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00:05 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516891 >> did this ever get resolved? i'm at the same impasse
00:05 a111 Logged on 2016-08-07 18:22 hanbot: so in V99995 testing, it'd seem the asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is "invalid", i imagine 'cause of something to do with stan's old key? and deedbot only spits the current, which i have. i don't see the old one on btcalpha either, anyone have an idea fo' me?
00:11 asciilifeform !!key asciilifeform
00:11 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc
00:11 asciilifeform danielpbarron: make sure your copy matches ^
00:12 asciilifeform ( modulus expir date was changed, for the last time, in january '17 )
00:13 asciilifeform fwiw the modulus never changed, and isn't going to change, DITCH THE OLD CRUD folx plz!!!
00:14 asciilifeform stop distributing mod+expireddatesig!! it does 0 good !!
00:14 asciilifeform old sigs WILL verify with current keys, mine, phf's, etc
00:14 asciilifeform whoever else used to have expiring keys
00:16 danielpbarron i specifically used that copy from deedbot, as per the instructions on thebitcoin.foundation
00:17 danielpbarron i'm sure i also have an old copy, but this is a totally new machine
00:28 asciilifeform danielpbarron: try manually verifying one of my seals on that box
00:28 asciilifeform post the output plx
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01:00 asciilifeform !~later tell danielpbarron iirc someone ( pete_dushenski ? ) recently had same problem, culprit was a corrupted ( passed through a www browser that raped the line endings ) vpatch.
01:00 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
01:05 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
01:05 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1976.35, vol: 13751.04547662 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1963.339, vol: 6946.43921 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1980.1, vol: 22504.38983902 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1838.447471, vol: 9678.78220000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1972.985, vol: 6720.92530865 | Volume-weighted last average: 1953.47589047
01:06 BingoBoingo Oh my, we've almost OMG CRASHING into $CURRENTYEAR
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07:42 shinohai moli_: If you would like assistance in setting up a znc or weechat instance to help curb the join/part spam, please PM me.
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09:58 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/what-the-fuck-am-i-going-to-do-literally/ << Trilema - What the fuck am I going to do ? Literally.
10:01 shinohai Who knew that mircea_popescu could prevent unwanted pregnancies!
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10:25 mircea_popescu ikr!
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11:01 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://archive.is/Bh25t >> '...the Education Department is paying its debt collectors up to $1,710 per borrower to collect around $45...'
11:02 mircea_popescu and if it stopped, they'd have to find some other way to bribe the populace.
11:03 mircea_popescu "independent contractors", ie govt paper pushers without health insurance or pensions. if they don't have a job, what do they do ? shoot hillary ?
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11:19 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-20#1659702 << http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mFWXY/?raw=true
11:19 a111 Logged on 2017-05-20 04:28 asciilifeform: post the output plx
11:23 danielpbarron ah i see. i downloaded them with lynx which apparently added some lines to the head of the files about where they were downloaded from..
11:23 danielpbarron i used curl and the same file now verifies
11:23 mod6 yah
11:23 mod6 are you using V99994 now too?
11:24 mod6 not that theres any difference, but then you get the advantage of some really important enhancements/fixes.
11:24 danielpbarron i'm doing this one http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
11:25 danielpbarron and for those curious, here's what lynx adds >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/odgWG/?raw=true
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11:29 mod6 yup, that's the one, thx.
11:30 shinohai I forgot how long I have been using my own mirror on localhost, but it is exact copy of what is on http://thebitcoin.foundation and presses clean for me.
11:33 danielpbarron yeah it's all good. once i removed those headers from all the patch files it pressed fine
11:47 mircea_popescu and in today's lulz, ancient (march 2012) mp predicting asics and chiding idiots for failing to do anything useful. http://trilema.com/2012/de-unde-vine-valoarea-inovatiei
11:47 mircea_popescu it's a good thing i'm right... now and again. LUCK!!11
11:49 shinohai One of these days I want a trilema header with mircea_popescu gazing into crystal ball .... PREDICTING TEH FUTURE :D
11:49 mircea_popescu (for the record -- first "company" to announce bitcoin mining asic was the ndrangheta scam of sony vleisides ("butterfly labs"), an ex-con dealing while under supervised release in breach ofr the terms of that release which the "tough on crime" usg has never yet prosecuted.)
11:49 mircea_popescu that happened in june 2012, ie, dorks read trilema, figured they could pull off the scam of offering faux variant of item, and went for it.
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12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'take money and ship difficultyobsolete, dusty, and thermally raped asics 6 months later' folx were not much better
12:09 asciilifeform idiot lamers thought 'hey, six months of anticipatory drooling', sc4mz0r: 'hey, phreee loan'
12:09 mircea_popescu the point here is that some unworthy criminal organisation daring to pretend to sovereignity has the unmitigated audacity to refuse to prosecute known criminals and then try and talk to me about whatever inept fucking hussles it came up with that quarter.
12:10 mircea_popescu there is a reason mp doesn't think much of usg "law enforcement", and that reason is in the vein of the healthy man not thinking much of the sexual competition by the bellhop of notre dame.
12:11 asciilifeform same thing with pirate et al, no ? there was a time when usg nurtured and protected btc scammers of all types
12:11 mircea_popescu yes.
12:11 asciilifeform 'yi yi zhi yi'
12:11 mircea_popescu and that time ain't going a-fucking-way just because hurr, five years passed and there's a new generation of woke dumbasses.
12:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-20#1659723 << somehow i dun recall my lynx doing this. gotta wonder what the author of your ver was thinking
12:14 a111 Logged on 2017-05-20 15:25 danielpbarron: and for those curious, here's what lynx adds >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/odgWG/?raw=true
12:14 asciilifeform probably some variant of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-29#901052 .
12:14 a111 Logged on 2014-10-29 01:36 asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
12:15 mircea_popescu (probably a fine time to underscore the http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/#selection-2229.1-46.1459 lulz. guess what -- it's not that THOSE random dorks are no longer here. it's that preet is now a "resident scientist" at NYU and i'm exactly where i was when his career was beginning, also.)
12:16 mircea_popescu and in other maga lulz, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/12/ex-cia-officer-faces-imminent-extradition-to-italy-hopes-trump-can-help.html
12:17 asciilifeform old noose neh
12:17 asciilifeform afaik nothing came of it
12:17 mircea_popescu !#s sousa
12:17 a111 0 results for "sousa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sousa
12:17 asciilifeform jan. 12
12:17 mircea_popescu ah in that sense. well... ongoing matter.
12:18 mircea_popescu anyway, she was taken in custody in february, is currently sirtting in portugal jail afaik.
12:23 Framedragger http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/ << via https://twitter.com/gregeganSF (yes turns out he has a twatter account) << via https://twitter.com/jonathan_blow
12:24 Framedragger !$getarchive http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/
12:24 scriba Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/NGx3J (this was archived by scriba: no)
12:25 mircea_popescu " The androcentric scientific and meta-scientific evidence that the penis is the male reproductive organ is considered overwhelming and largely uncontroversial."
12:25 mircea_popescu this just aroused my awareness. bbl.
12:27 Framedragger hehe
12:27 Framedragger "The paper was ridiculous by intention, essentially arguing that penises shouldn’t be thought of as male genital organs but as damaging social constructions. We made no attempt to find out what “post-structuralist discursive gender theory” actually means. We assumed that if we were merely clear in our moral implications that maleness is intrinsically bad and that the penis is somehow at the root of it, we could get the paper
12:27 Framedragger "published in a respectable journal."
12:31 Framedragger "paper" itself is good, too
12:32 ben_vulpes good find Framedragger
12:32 ben_vulpes "...and is the conceptual driver behind much of climate change"
12:34 Framedragger "Some references cite the Postmodern Generator"
12:34 Framedragger /me rolls on floor
12:34 ben_vulpes i salute the noise-floor raising achievements so displayed
12:34 ben_vulpes with my penis
12:39 Framedragger "We intended to test the hypothesis that flattery of the academic Left’s moral architecture in general, and of the moral orthodoxy in gender studies in particular, is the overwhelming determiner of publication in an academic journal in the field." noshit.jpg but also applause.jpg
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13:33 BingoBoingo OMG, did they just marginalize penises of color?
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13:51 danielpbarron i got a bitcoind to compile with the latest instructions and it is confirmed to add new blocks to my pre-existing .bitcoin which is now currently at height 450026
13:58 ben_vulpes neato danielpbarron
13:59 ben_vulpes didja throw wires, or pete_dushenski's regrind of the getpeerinfo backport or any other strange into the tree?
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15:09 danielpbarron no
15:16 mircea_popescu Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct".
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15:17 mircea_popescu that's the whole story. if you're not ok with your kid cutting up the puppy you bought it to see what's inside, you're not ok with having a dick. there's no stop on the slope.
15:17 mircea_popescu !!key Alexey_
15:17 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/E79D7852E5EA7C8A837EC51447F9785975D5715F.asc
15:25 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659543 << omg sexist!1
15:25 a111 Logged on 2017-05-19 22:26 asciilifeform: didja have the woman write this post, pete_dushenski , or wat
15:25 pete_dushenski i have an eye for fashion, what can i tell ya
15:26 pete_dushenski speaking of fashions, https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/865250670831702016
15:27 pete_dushenski ^for transtomologists only
15:29 pete_dushenski Framedragger: that paper is g-g-g-g-gold. should win pulitzer. hey if maya angelou can be nominated, these guys deserve it take home whole shebang.
15:30 pete_dushenski s/it/to
15:32 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: thx for the latest activism piece! very much enjoyed the call to arms. now, to figure out how to do away with fiat banks entirely...
15:32 pete_dushenski it makes a respectable five-year plan if nothing else.
15:33 mircea_popescu doesn't have to be entirely. has to be substantially.
15:33 pete_dushenski that's definitely more doable.
15:34 mircea_popescu rather. just like you know, taking back alimentary independence is making the girls capable to cook anything if need be, not everything all the time.
15:34 mircea_popescu quite a different story to be eating out cuz want to eat out vs cuz want to eat.
15:36 pete_dushenski big time. i rarely eat out because between the girl at home and the chef girl at the office, restaurants just seem slow, overpriced, and less amenable to my sundry whims and fancies
15:39 * pete_dushenski first read alimentary independence as alimonial independence, figured that bitcoin was as staunch a defense against prying states/spouses as anything
15:41 pete_dushenski if only greenspun wasn't so old, jewy, and busy with winblozboxen, he could shut up about 'no-fault divorce' and how 'banging school principal in mass. is a better career choice for girls than medicine' and just suggest the only right and proper remedy to that particular poison pill.
15:42 * pete_dushenski still guiltily checks greenspun's blergh once a week, isn't always disappointed
15:46 pete_dushenski there's something strangely appealing about reading the musings of nearly sentient middle-aged gentleman of the fiat persuasion. they're just a bit too over the hill to be here, but were they fortunate to have been born just a decade or two later, they would've/could've/should've made fine republican specimens.
15:46 pete_dushenski i'd put taleb, greenspun, tyler cowen, russ roberts, and matt levine in this camp.
15:47 pete_dushenski jeez that group is 80% jew by mass and the other 20% is still eastern mediterranean. fuckimbiased!
15:58 pete_dushenski "It was designed as an impregnable deep-freeze to protect the world’s most precious seeds from any global disaster and ensure humanity’s food supply forever. But the Global Seed Vault, buried in a mountain deep inside the Arctic circle, has been breached after global warming produced extraordinary temperatures over the winter, sending meltwater gushing into the entrance tunnel." << no one fails more
15:58 pete_dushenski hilariously than globalist-climatist-preppers
15:58 mircea_popescu somehow oddly it's not "our inept activity ruined a previously fine natural space".
15:59 mircea_popescu they get a free card. certainly NOT their bumbling idiocy digging the thing in the first place sent gushing meltwater. o no. not that.
15:59 pete_dushenski or "no one told us building DOWN into permafrost was a terrible idea so it's not our fault, we couldn't have known"
15:59 mircea_popescu i suppose next stop is angry newspaper articles about how global warming burned a bunch of the lychens in some "artist studio" somewhere. because it totally was not the piled up dry garbage.
16:00 pete_dushenski and "global warming caused lice to infest my body hair"
16:01 ben_vulpes i gotta point out that a lykkin is far more likely to have a mortgage and beer belly by 23 than to shack up with artists who might make awkward social situations what with the dating multiple women and other such unspeakables
16:01 mircea_popescu basically they stumbled on metaphysics. very comfortable, all this.
16:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes such a disjunction was originally predicated re hackers and hipsters. guess what - 20 years healed the rift.
16:03 mircea_popescu there's no reasonable expectation that 2017 "hacker" can add ; there'll be no reasonable expectation that 2040 "artist" can fuck, or locomote.
16:03 ben_vulpes in my experience the hipsters now live 3 to a room and the corporate "senior javascript engineers" have the mortgages
16:03 mircea_popescu they'll live shut in their art. ftw!
16:04 mircea_popescu maybe the problem is just senescent myopia, i fail to distinguish a hipster from a web designer from a "backend engineer" from an etc.
16:04 ben_vulpes no lykkin would ever think themselves a 'hacker' omfg, waste time soldering things together they can buy pre assembled?
16:04 mircea_popescu yes, but would think self "artist". in fact... does.
16:05 ben_vulpes we all know the alexas are relaying everything to the nsa's stats machines, "whatever, man, i just wanna get some more point on my steam collection"
16:05 mircea_popescu and every tiresome hipster thinks himself at least a little hacker. reddit and wikipedia is practically a hax already yes ? LIFEHACKS!
16:05 ben_vulpes eh, "ux expert" more likely to be a bad artist than js anything
16:06 ben_vulpes ugh this thread is just comparing kinds of roaches
16:06 mircea_popescu are you thinking "plastic artist" specifically, or do you include all the dorkage, "performance" etc ?
16:06 ben_vulpes i am self disgust
16:06 ben_vulpes no the kinda guy who played in bands in his early twenties and then got hoovered into $deathcorp because he can string passable sentences together and shit out the odd mockup.
16:06 mircea_popescu the words are, after all, pickup ARTIST.
16:07 ben_vulpes and now paints, buys paintings, designs his remodels himself
16:07 asciilifeform hunger artist
16:07 mircea_popescu yeah, this would be "plastic artist", ie, painter. but there's also the you know, "performance artist", ie, tramp.
16:07 mircea_popescu or however you call in english the hooker/pickpocket combo.
16:09 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "hunger artist"?
16:09 asciilifeform !~google the hunger artist
16:09 jhvh1 asciilifeform: SparkNotes: A Hunger Artist: <http://www.sparknotes.com/short-stories/a-hunger-artist/>; Kafka, A Hunger Artist - Vancouver Island University: <https://records.viu.ca/~Johnstoi/kafka/hungerartist.htm>; A Hunger Artist - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hunger_Artist>
16:09 mircea_popescu how ~do~ you call it anyway ? the "hates men and capitalism" tomboy that'll beg and if desperate fuck for pay ? like that mentally ill nut with the "scum manifesto"
16:10 mircea_popescu valerie solanas.
16:10 pete_dushenski street urchin ?
16:11 asciilifeform they're ~extinct, mircea_popescu , welfarism zapped'em
16:11 mircea_popescu doesn't mean the word also has to go away
16:12 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski street urchin is devoid of secondary sexual characteristics.
16:12 asciilifeform aha but filed with dodo.
16:14 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: dats true. maybe street whore. or street slut.
16:15 pete_dushenski the 'street' is definitely important in conveying the vagabondiness so associated with pickpockets
16:15 pete_dushenski 'female aladdin' could work too
16:16 pete_dushenski fambly friendly!
16:20 mircea_popescu not really looking for new coinage.
16:20 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wtf is a lykkin ?
16:20 mircea_popescu fan of the lykkin park band.
16:21 pete_dushenski lol
16:21 phf a furry who's into werewolves?
16:21 mircea_popescu lmao.
16:24 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657436
16:24 a111 Logged on 2017-05-17 16:34 ben_vulpes: we call these "lykkins"
16:33 mircea_popescu you know, i'm sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but this "skeptic" "post structuralist gender theory" piece is perfectly fine from said perspective. makes fine sense to me. the whole exercise is not so different from "proving" that, eg, newton letters are "pompous" and "improper discourse" because a) he uses a lot of symbols and purpose-made constructs and b) some of the stuff it says is counterintuitive to the layman. with a
16:33 mircea_popescu n added c) it is coherent with the rest of the crap his nutty mathematician friends do, so clearly that's the only reason they say "they can tell the lion by his claw".
16:36 ben_vulpes the part where it passes peer review with wholly fabricated citations is pretty funny though!
16:36 ben_vulpes reviewers ask for more examples, authors literally make more up. "oh okay! much better."
16:38 mircea_popescu there is that.
16:39 mircea_popescu but this sort of bureaucratic scribble is very much not in the vein the matter is taken. nobody's seriously interested in the fact that citations are bullshit -- they're bullshit throughout and this is by and large accepted and deemed acceptable as seen by the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637747 thing
16:39 a111 Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 mircea_popescu: this is usually included by the shorthand string "bibliography"
16:44 mircea_popescu anyway, there's significant linkage between eg "If you’re having trouble understanding what any of that means, there are two important points to consider. First, we don’t understand it either. Nobody does. This problem should have rendered it unpublishable in all peer-reviewed, academic journals." and, picking randomly, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646034 / J. Michael Bailey lulz.
16:44 a111 Logged on 2017-04-19 15:38 mircea_popescu: incidentally, alf is correct on one point : there is a painful spot in the history of psychology (the pseudoscience). let us delve :
16:44 mircea_popescu his position was ~same : this shit makes no sense to me, shouldn't make any sense to you, and in any case should have no temples (ie, public expenditure).
16:44 mircea_popescu this is fine, except the jews dun care.
16:45 mircea_popescu every religion is similar to every other in the fundamental points that a) it is only accessible to the "initiated", the bar for which is never so low as to not demand the subject WANTING TO get it and b) public expenditure (not necessarily in the shape of coin) is not driven by any sort of efficiency paradigm.
16:48 mircea_popescu now, obviously the protest will be "but mp, your example with newton is scandalous, math is a fucking science". yes, it is. in theory. in practice it is not, as far as every non-practician is concerned math is a religion by definition, and what's worse -- even as far as brilliant practicians are concerned! because what else do you make of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659407 than "i am fine with interacting with math qua
16:48 a111 Logged on 2017-05-19 20:22 asciilifeform: ( summary : 0**0 != 1 would make expansion of taylor series a bitch )
16:48 mircea_popescu religion for as long as it doesn't actually get in the way of what i'm trying to do right now".
16:49 mircea_popescu then again newton himself was not so very impressed with math ; certainly not impressed enough to favour it above his religious studies.
16:51 asciilifeform b. pascal, even less impressed...
16:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: describe plox what NOT 'interact with math-qua-religion' might look like
16:52 mircea_popescu in fact, the "being impressed with science" thing is rather ~same blather as "being impressed with state", recent gaselnita.
16:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can show by quote. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+cryptography
16:53 mircea_popescu "i dun care what you fucking idiots say, show me the proof of this, the logic of that, who counted these beans, wtf are you doing!"
16:54 phf we have periodic threads on scientism also, "i fucking love science", dawkins army, scientific realism, etc.
16:54 mircea_popescu we do.
16:56 mircea_popescu in any case, before getting angry and taking a hatchet to the b) above, consider that the possiblity of loving a woman is strictly dependent on, you've guessed it, public expenditure not following efficiency paradigm.
17:00 asciilifeform which one gets to fuck 'under efficiency paradigm', is one of the main diff b/w the pig and the farmer
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17:34 deedbot http://cascadianhacker.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-volume-2 << CH - Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 2
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17:52 mircea_popescu rather.
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18:57 phf !#vulpe
18:57 phf !#vulpes
18:57 a111 JUST UN FUCKING KINK IT
19:01 shinohai !#vulpes
19:01 a111 a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
19:01 shinohai ghehehehe
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20:45 asciilifeform MKULTRA2 has quit << lol!
20:47 asciilifeform in other sads, it turns out that paul g. comba ( of comba's multiplication algo ) died in april.
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20:48 asciilifeform astronomer.
21:01 mircea_popescu sucks
21:06 * asciilifeform sat with notebook on the grass near usg capitol, good weather, and was aaalmost getting somewhere in re fixed-time karatsuba, when suddenly massive RUSSIA OUT OF UKRAINE!1111 troop of 'protesters', drums, правый сектор ( ukronazi!111 ) flagz, etc, etc , marched past.
21:06 asciilifeform mega-lol
21:07 asciilifeform then same scenario, and interrupted by falun gong priest.
21:07 asciilifeform probably not best place for mathematics.
21:14 asciilifeform perhaps more interestingly, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ohnoezterrorists.jpg
21:14 asciilifeform ^ all entrances to various usg ministries now have these. as of no more than 2-3 wks ago.
21:27 phf tactical concrete deterrent клумба
21:27 asciilifeform aha!
21:36 shinohai !!up MKULTRA2
21:36 deedbot MKULTRA2 voiced for 30 minutes.
21:39 MKULTRA2 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24321768
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21:57 mircea_popescu they're disguising the bollards as planets ? such subtle.
21:57 mircea_popescu planters*
21:57 asciilifeform no, the funny bit is that this is old, circa 9/11, but they used to line the perimeter sidewalk
21:57 asciilifeform but this is apparently No Longer Enough
21:57 mircea_popescu masturbation never is.
21:57 asciilifeform 'what if TWO trucks!'
22:00 mircea_popescu lol wtf is this "pay homeless dude to smoke my totally novel bomb idea!!" nonsense.
22:00 asciilifeform for extra lulz, these were around fdr-era monstrosities, with metre-thick walls, iron gates.
22:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's that entire graceless "neogreek" ustardian thing.
22:01 asciilifeform aha them
22:01 mircea_popescu they look like the temple of Boring.
22:01 asciilifeform exactly what they are.
22:01 mircea_popescu i guess huh.
22:02 mircea_popescu i have nfi what one'd have to think, comparing the very elegant late 1800s items, often found on same street as the humongously ugly 1930, and not weep.
22:02 mircea_popescu "genius of american people" indeed.
22:05 mircea_popescu in other lulz, per-tx fee to ensure next-block is now ~3 bucks.
22:06 mircea_popescu this is for the single address payment, 1/4 kb sort of item.
22:06 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/doj_survive.jpg << my personal favourite lulwall. ( same bldg as previous shot )
22:10 mircea_popescu and the reason of course is bullshit 0 fee nonsense like 79910ccfde98875181b1abfec727fd0c19eb13cf1cd60bf0134c45f92278ed90 being mined.
22:10 mircea_popescu serioujsly, no need for any fee for 25kb of crapolade ? hurr.
22:11 asciilifeform betcha it's one of the ones where idiot paid via visa
22:11 asciilifeform for 'accelerated tx mine'
22:14 mircea_popescu yeah yeah, im sure.
22:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: leaking ip
22:14 mircea_popescu eh, this was an entirely novel behaviour. apparently, i "disconnected" except not, and then i "reconnected" except not.
22:15 asciilifeform yeah, never seen this prior
22:15 mircea_popescu i have no fucking idea why freenode feels the need to go to the inept lengths of all this, OBVIOUSLY they leak all ips to usg. what the fuck is writing extra state in the machine gonna do exactly.
22:16 mircea_popescu "oh, parallel construction". really ? why, because someone's gonna believe this that wouldn't have believed anything else anyway ?
22:16 asciilifeform well obviously to leak to randos. so that mircea_popescu can be busied with mopping their guts off the wall
22:16 mircea_popescu dorks bored at work in teh temple of boring.
22:16 mircea_popescu ~nobody cares one way or the other.
22:17 mircea_popescu i suppose this is the hardest thing to grok for the drones. but anyways.
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22:36 mod6 Here's the third entropy collection from FG #5: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.ent_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.dieharder_run3.txt
22:36 asciilifeform ohai mod6
22:36 asciilifeform neato
22:39 mircea_popescu in other forgotten medicine details :
22:39 mircea_popescu in the 19th century, childbirth was a lot more difficult an affair than these days. for one thing, there was no epidural. for another thing, none of this c-section bs ; most people didn't even do it. for the third, most women delivered assisted by an older woman without a doctor present. and so following.
22:40 mircea_popescu an important item of child delivery in more diffcult cases was the forceps. the forceps is an adapted medieval torture instrument, and it looks it. most women feared it like the hangman;s noose, and for good reason -- it often delivered the same results.
22:40 mircea_popescu this thing was disinfected. they did not use autoclaves. they burned it.
22:41 mircea_popescu the operation of burning the instruments was always done in view of the patient. this because the doctors had noticed that in a 10-15% of cases, the sight alone produced delivery, and they weren't gonna fucking argue with anything that avoided the usage of the thing that left you know, scars on the baby sometimes carried into adulthood, not to mention dead mothers everywhere.
22:42 asciilifeform iirc the original obstetric forceps was a 1600s item, and somewhat different purpose from current : was meant to take out ~in pieces~ ( in event of 'guess what, hole is too small', strictly as alternative to becoming one of those corpse-in-a-corpse lulz-for-archaeologists to find )
22:42 asciilifeform london, incidentally
22:42 asciilifeform who said the brits achieved 0.
22:42 mircea_popescu many variants. i actually bought a little table forceps once specifically because it looked like one historical type.
22:43 mircea_popescu \this was intended for serving food though
22:44 shinohai whoreticulture is hard work
22:44 asciilifeform also one could interpret the burning as 'disinfect', but this is mistake, they thought of it merely as cleaning -- nobody thought to disinfect beds, or, more famously, hands.
22:44 mircea_popescu but there was one with two hearty metal loops, facing each other, intended to grab the child's head. if head first presentation. there was a different turning item, for the case where the baby was strangling. there was also a sort of tyre iron for unhooking the shoulder (very common stuck birth issue).
22:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is 19th not 16th century. there was some diffuse groking of hygiene.
22:46 asciilifeform 19th iirc was really peak dyshygiene -- in 16th, not so many fluffy linens, and -- key -- delivery worked by, typically, some random old woman, rather than a 'pro' doc straight from dissectionary
22:46 mircea_popescu "for the third, most women delivered assisted by an older woman without a doctor present. and so following."
22:47 asciilifeform as i understand this was a + rather than a -
22:47 asciilifeform for the tech level
22:47 mircea_popescu with the exception of east coast, england and some parts of the european continent, that holds.
22:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform certainly a + for the common cases.
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23:52 ben_vulpes england actually going back to this model
23:53 ben_vulpes "deliver at home, quit burdening the l'hopital with something mammals know how to do quite well"
23:53 ben_vulpes woman wants dark warm hole in which to feel safe, stick her in operatory and holy doodle be retardedly surprised that things go sideways
23:54 ben_vulpes also read yr ovid, normal term is 10 months
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23:56 BingoBoingo !~later tell MKULTRA2 Who are you? I don't talk to strangers in pseudo-private
23:56 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
23:57 BingoBoingo Fellow wanted me to share https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24336283&page=0&vc=#24336283
23:58 BingoBoingo !#vulpes
23:58 a111 i will be SURE to listen VERY CLOSELY
23:59 ben_vulpes quite.
23:59 ben_vulpes what is this shroomery thing anyways, a shitty erowid knockoff?
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