#trilema | 2017-05-19

!!up buenosaires

00:17

buenosaires voiced for 30 minutes.

00:17

!!up andav

00:17

andav voiced for 30 minutes.

00:18

o wait, argentina. obviously retarded.

00:22

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6FCA2E6AEDD3C38B3E8CBFED4BFDAE661540AA34F168B4E792B2EB3768C29FF0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1427...3583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.243.15.2 (ssh-rsa key from 80.243.15.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)

00:22

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6FCA2E6AEDD3C38B3E8CBFED4BFDAE661540AA34F168B4E792B2EB3768C29FF0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1605...8367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.243.15.2 (ssh-rsa key from 80.243.15.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)

00:24

https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/865110497028395008

00:25

holding this vulnerability secret is doing such wonders

00:26

professionalism, you don't understand.

00:26

> (such attack did not exist, but it seemed a fair explanation).

00:35

AR returns

00:35

annnnnnnnnnnnnd leaves again

~ 26 minutes ~

01:01

meanwhile at rancho technically-not-a-whore, https://68.media.tumblr.com/4ef74854f9e19065bed8ac47fb56fa59/tumblr_nkjguwd34C1uni2vgo1_1280.jpg

01:11

nb

01:11

and FREE!

01:12

unoccupied

~ 5 hours 55 minutes ~

07:08

just HN things - on google home (the "send all audio to google" appliance): "I have one, it's convenient and lets me control my home in what feels like a natural way. Personally, I don't see the downside of having it. Note; I mean I don't acknowledge a downside from my perspective. I'm fully aware that it's always listening and sending data home when it hears a keyword."

07:08

"According to Google, it will only send voice data back when it hears the keyword. Now if it explicitly goes against its own stated privacy policy, that's a breach of trust I would not be happy with. That said, if they explicitly stated they send all audio back, I'd actually be fine with that too."

07:10

I see this making the n-gate roundup for the week

07:24

srsly :D ("i trust the back alley guy to only give me the tip; it wouldn't be nice if he wasn't honest about it. but if he said he'd fuck me in the ass from the get go, i guess that's ok")

07:29

At least you know to stock up on lube beforehand, ammirite?

~ 44 minutes ~

08:14

totally.

~ 15 minutes ~

08:29

!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1spub/?raw=true

08:29

jhvh1

shinohai: The operation succeeded.

08:32

asciilifeform: Well, i wanted to save the carry from the square and include it when needed but I made a mistake: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658947

08:32

Logged on 2017-05-19 02:10 asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 your mod-exp is just an... exp. and what was mcarry for ???

08:33

Line after FZ_Mul should have been: Carry := C or Carry or W_Mux(0, MCarry, 1 and FZ_Get_Head(E));

08:35

Plus I assumed modulo was to be on the FZ size, arbitrary module would involve a IDIV at the end (or mask if module will be some power of 2)

08:35

module -> modulo

08:36

I've been working on SQR, but although I can lower the number of steps, the operations per step go up, so far only 10% overall speed-up

08:40

!!up moli_

08:40

moli_ voiced for 30 minutes.

08:41

Buenas dias, Sr. Popescu! o/

08:42

ave1: div-at-the-end mod-exp won't work for, e.g., rsa

08:42

it will overflow

08:44

hola shinohai !

08:46

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658981 << contrary to shutin consensus, most chicks at the bar are slipping themselves roofies in desperation. if he didn't make it as a singer, at least maybe google thinks him a star ?

08:46

Logged on 2017-05-19 11:24 Framedragger: srsly :D ("i trust the back alley guy to only give me the tip; it wouldn't be nice if he wasn't honest about it. but if he said he'd fuck me in the ass from the get go, i guess that's ok")

08:46

problem of modernity is nobody wants to listen. that nobody has anything to say worth listening to is obviously sufficient cause for that ; but the nobodies in question would much rather approach the problem from the former horn than the latter. good god, having something to say worth listening to sounds like it'd take effort.

08:47

way the fuck easier just pretending like the hairspray tubes are REALLY mics. google makes this easy now.

08:47

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mircea_popescu wouldn't be in the slightest surprised if all this "big data" utilization is 0.0000 ppm.

08:52

'i am honest man and have nothing to hide!!' (tm)(r)(1990s key escrow derps)

08:53

yet he wears clothes.

08:53

only because inca issued

08:53

asciillifeform: ah, I understand I will do some more thinking on this, having a div after the mul and sqr would be less ideal, but an arbitrary modulo sqr and mul would be interesting

08:53

so the whole hiding song and dance has nothing to do with anything.

08:54

ave1: not merely 'less than ideal', but totally useless

08:54

won't even work on toy rsa that way

08:55

( remember, we have ~fixed~ size integers, unlike other bignumtrons , they ~won't~ stretch to the absurd length you would need if you used div-after )

08:56

Yes, I understand, it would add n bits times m ops where n is 4096 at the minimum (already the pow takes a lot of time with the MUL and SQR in there)

09:08

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657602 << "i've been thinking, so i've bought" the system works!

09:08

Logged on 2017-05-17 22:08 asciilifeform: 'This year, I’ve been thinking about prime numbers, and my hosting provider has run another sale on domain names. So, I’ve bought isthisprime.com. You can probably guess what I’ve made it do.'

09:08

you think it, you buy it!

09:09

ave1: i also suspect that it would be simpler ~and~ faster to predict the overflow by finding eldest-bit of operands

09:10

rather than having the mux run twice per step

09:10

incidentally : "define *' so that modx(a * b) = modx(a) *' modx(b)" should be a legitimate abstract algebra approach.

09:11

other thing: ~modular~ exp can't oveflow !

09:11

how would it? result is necessarily < the modulo

09:11

which in turn must sit down in the width given

09:12

asciilifeform i imagine he means that it overflow between the exp and the modular steps.

09:12

only regular exponentiation can overflow

09:13

mircea_popescu: aha, but that is because he implemented it without thinking, sorta like doing mult by repeated addition

09:13

yes well.

09:13

also incidentally : what is the relation between arbitrary modulo, factorization, and reducing mults to adds ?

09:14

expand re that last one

09:15

(12 * 5) mod 6 = 0, yes ?

09:15

aha

09:15

what of it

09:15

i could predict this without looking at the 5.

09:16

what ~else~ can i predict, and looking at what exactly inside the two factors ?

09:16

gcd

09:16

which is what you did here

09:17

and not especially much else ( as far as asciilifeform knows. or he'd be breaking moar rsa )

09:18

4 * 5 mod 6 = 4. (6-4)*5 mod 6 = 4. 7*5 = 35 mod 6 = 5. 1*5 mod 6 = ...

09:19

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asciilifeform pictures tmsr number theory school. it's an earthen pit, with an old kindergarten textb00k...

09:19

i bet mircea_popescu has one for his pets

09:20

lol

09:21

deride, deride, but half the world's magic works on this!

09:21

mircea_popescu: you might find pollard-rho algo to be interesting. possibly it is what you were thinking of, earlier.

09:22

i wasn't thinking of anything specific, past the indeed kindergarten intuition that there's more to the triplet than we figured out.

09:22

or w/e, maybe i'm behind the times.

09:23

mircea_popescu: the pit is mandatory. the only diff b/w mircea_popescu's pitpets and dour autodidacts is that the pets occasionally get to leave the pit

09:23

but they don't want to.

09:25

i recall first encounter with rsa.. frustration, 'the factors are IN there, damn it'

09:25

you know ?

09:25

aha

09:25

look at the euler curve all you want, it dun satisfactorily resolve it.

09:25

(n/logn)

09:27

'P' will, i suspect, get some unexpected use as number theory sandbox for n00bz

09:27

quite expected.

09:28

incidentally the other-than-ffz part, is done

09:29

anyway, re other point : i dun believe there is such a thing as an autodidact. everyone that knows anything learned that thing, themselves. no one can learn outside of an environment, and there is no deeper relevancy to convention of the time than that -- convention of the time. dude who learns in dark room is going to be weird one way, girly that learns in room with other girlies and teacher is going to be weird the other wa

09:29

y. one tends to go around naked and slather peanut butter on himself, the other tends to behave as if the panties were glued on, there's really no substantial difference.

09:29

when i'm satisfied with the numerics, incl. primality test, i'ma genesis it..

09:30

coo.

09:30

i'm getting a weirdest behavior on mac. a dumped lisp image with executable payload: when call it from shell "directly", i.e. ./foo works fine, but when you call it "global" i.e. it's in path and you say foo it responds with "read_mach_o_header: Bad file descriptor"

09:30

too macho.

09:30

lol

09:32

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phf throws stacks of notes, walks away from computer

09:32

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mircea_popescu never ran anything on a mac.

09:32

i'ma guess that phf had ~another~ foo in his path

09:33

weird error for that

09:33

asciilifeform: that would be the first guess, but `which` disagrees

09:33

phf: can you strace ?

09:33

in fact!!! $(which foo) works

09:33

lol

09:34

do you need diff permission sets to run global vs directly ?

09:35

no, theoretically there shouldn't be any kind of difference at all

09:36

is the drive dying just-so ?

09:36

cosmicrays!!!111

09:37

nope, recompiled the binary from different file, new name, etc. same result. it's something about how cmucl packs an executable

09:37

my most frustrating experience in this vein was back in dos dies, one of those maxtor 40mb, dick-tall drives. which i thought properly immortal, at the time.

09:37

had a sorta-bad sector, kept fucking with me until it finally died hours later.\

09:37

i got one of these in a box, that still worked last i saw

09:38

remember those things ? more steel on them than on today's toyota.

09:38

aha!

09:38

now , picture a cinderblock-sized version

09:38

it's when certain kinds of harddrive clicks permanently trigger a sense of dread in you

09:38

that's what's in my lispm

09:39

phf costa rica has a bird, does the EXACT FUCNING NOISE

09:39

ahaha

09:39

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phf verdict: "not moving"

09:39

there's also an insect that sounds EXACTLY like a dying fan

09:39

colibri, in mating season

09:39

clicks beak

09:39

there's also a bird that cackles, literally. so we'd be fucking or talking or w/e, and the bird is a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

09:41

you sure it's not one of them wayward sisters?

09:41

dude! the ro guy, ex-con ex-pm ? actually published my comment. color me impressed.

09:41

phf the who ?

09:41

Perhaps the macho can be balanced with a dose of `rico suave`

09:42

rrrrrricco suaveeee

09:42

mircea_popescu: which pm

09:42

adrian nastase.

09:42

sounds familiar

09:42

was he responsible for the 'ducks and the trucks' ?

09:42

was pm for a few years. anyway, he wrote some derpage about "the state", and i wrote a scathing comment.

09:43

nah, that was ion iliescu, president. they teaqmed up for a while though.\

09:43

you know, the weird sisters, hand in hand, posters of the sea and land

09:43

waiwat

09:43

i have no idea about this whole thing! wut is it phf ?

09:44

https://adriannastase.ro/2017/05/13/statul-roman/comment-page-1/#comment-164967 << item in question, for the passionated.

09:45

the three witches from macbeth! i always imagine them cackling. so you're walking around the street, hear cackling, which is a kind of call of inevitability, you shake it off like "begone, chimera, must be some weird beard, nothing else" but you ~know~

09:45

*bird

09:45

oh!

09:46

it's not an ominous cackle at all. more like bird is literally amused at our bs and losing its shit.

09:50

meanwhile at srs bzns farms, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f9d3b1ddc38ba5b8df26e294315281e9/tumblr_njtl6y4eTG1u66luzo1_500.gif

09:50

it is perhaps the definitive difference between genders, that man would love nothing more than for woman to do something useful while he fucks her.

09:51

probably same d00d has a vcr in his auto

09:51

watches wifey clean while stuck in traffic ?

09:52

and a comp in the shitter

09:52

and aquarelle in the shower ?

09:52

sky's the limit

09:53

meanwhile from the garden hose dept: https://68.media.tumblr.com/bafd84df5f5053c1908ecdda09bc925b/tumblr_n7wf6rQerO1tc0kc4o7_500.gif

09:54

lol swordswallower

09:55

mircea_popescu: why was nastase imprisoned ?

09:56

stepped on clitler's foot ?

09:56

this question allows multiple answers. but basically, suppose trump actually was traian basescu. then clinton WOULD be in jail.

09:57

what for ? well, for being a contemptible low life. plenty of shit to convict her of, if you actually were to apply you know, "the iron hand of teh law" that black dudes with a nickle bag keep running into.

09:57

in this specific case, for taking a bribe in the form of some electoral campaign materials some other dudes gave some other dudes in exchange for what some other dudes did.

09:58

yeah nobody at or above city dog catcher political level, in usa, would survive this procedure

09:58

not most 'corporate' types, either

09:58

but anyway -- was a major victory for the us dept of nuland, because thsi was the first time local aristocracy actrually got the black treatment. guy took it verypersonal, tried to shoot self, had a hole in jaw for a while.

09:59

which is why i even bothered pointing it out to him, "you fucking idiot, you're STILL defending "the state" wtf is wrong with you."

09:59

now i'm curious, with what weapon

09:59

gun.

09:59

somewhat unusual result tho

09:59

was, what, pneumatic pistol

09:59

why any jaw left

09:59

eh, he's a pasty. wtf does he know about guns or shooting them.

10:00

there's all sorts of losers who imagine these objects are a sort of holy amulet, and the only reason they dun do anything is because "they don't want to", but if "one day" they "decided" to "use them" then WHAM!

10:00

except irl that's not how anything works.

10:00

this is a rather low bar, however. the marksmanship to correctly eat your pistol.

10:00

do you know how many women "try to commit suicide" ?

10:00

oughta be taught in school -- as jp taught noble boys to properly seppuku , with wooden training knife

10:01

mircea_popescu: them's different - for show

10:01

not so different. guy's nickname, "bombonel". approximately, "little candyboy"

10:02

how'd that come about

10:02

!#s academia catavencu

10:02

1 result for "academia catavencu", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=academia%20catavencu

10:02

he cornered confectionary business, like poroshenko ?

10:03

well, there was this ro version of le canard enchaine ; it was really good. for half a decade or so, absolutely mandatory reading. some shit in there i laughed at for days.

10:03

they kept calling him that. possibly on some grounds, but i never fucked him myself so...

10:04

but the intension is strictly that gay bottom.

10:04

i always found it interesting, that this fine orc custom never caught on in usa

10:04

which ?

10:04

insulting nicknames for political idiots

10:04

the us entirely consists of political idiots.

10:05

it has no culture, no history ; it has no business class, no anything. what exactly would they say ? compared to whom.

10:05

they could still say, e.g., 'clitler'.

10:05

wasn't something re bush jr ?

10:06

shrub!

10:06

yes.

10:06

dunno if it ever really caught on tho

10:07

no culture. nothing can "catch on" in any meaningful sense. romania is a nation, the us is a sort of india.

10:07

tru.

10:08

soviet jokes also "didn't catch on", which became a joke in itself -- teh georgians dun understand all these muscovy joeks!

10:08

otherwise, inside given cultural space, shit catches on. but no dominant one in us like there was in su (yes, the aspie 14% keeps trying to pretend, but ain't nearly the same thing).

~ 36 minutes ~

10:45

meanwhile in papua-new guinea, http://postcourier.com.pg/scuffle-over-pepsi-leaves-10-dead-many-injured/

10:48

(but, worry not -- "climate change" activism is there!)

~ 22 minutes ~

11:11

mornin'

11:12

in other lulz, https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/one-belt-one-road

11:14

^ in re cn building rail in europe etc

~ 30 minutes ~

11:45

ahahaha

11:45

"resources changing hands" eh.

11:46

basically, they're not afraid. this bodes well for fiat o.O

11:51

well it took months, but the shannonizers have finally figured out that #bitcoin-assets doesn't have a voice model

11:51

just what perpetually lazy greeks & co need --- bout time for another "marshall plan".

11:51

ben_vulpes anything good ?

11:52

ben_vulpes: kako unplugged it when he went off to asia iirc

11:52

asciilifeform: mhm

11:52

ahahaha finally went home to teh miners ?

11:52

mircea_popescu: just the typical "inflate inflate!" if you remember that guy

11:53

notrly, but yeah.

11:53

the actual lolz are fluffyponzi ignoring "hey, gonna make that 'monero blockchain integrity scan' reproducible?" in favor of "we had to keep it secret because other cryptonotes were vulnerable"

11:54

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2017#1471209 << for entomologists -- typical example of kako thread , we had 1,001 of these since dragon day. read one, read'em all.

11:54

Logged on 2016-05-24 13:14 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "Im all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. << Seriously

11:54

lol!! phf , that thing dun quite work

11:54

i guess this was not the intended usage .

11:55

i am mp and wut is this ?

11:55

https://archive.is/hCd0j << cached copy.

11:56

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mircea_popescu shrugs.

11:56

not very interesting crap, is it.

11:56

nope.

11:56

but typical.

11:57

he never gets tired, either.

11:57

which is a little odd, for a d00d supposedly relaxing in the company of fine whores on thai beaches

11:58

asciilifeform: has to come out of a script at this point

11:58

he's got like three lazzi, what

12:06

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659175 << afaik the monero users give approx. as much shit as the tor users gave .

12:06

Logged on 2017-05-19 15:53 ben_vulpes: the actual lolz are fluffyponzi ignoring "hey, gonna make that 'monero blockchain integrity scan' reproducible?" in favor of "we had to keep it secret because other cryptonotes were vulnerable"

12:07

100% mutual hallucination, 'we close our eyes and there is no wolf'

12:09

asciilifeform: i'm just doling rope out over here

12:20

im pretty sure that's right, they literally don't give a shit about anything that's further out than lunch break / takes more thought than lulzpic etc.

12:20

it's what makes crackpot-alts such perfect chump-harvesters

12:20

to begin with.

12:20

sure. well... 300 years ago it was "chartered companies".

12:20

"for a purpose so secret no one may know what it is" etc.

12:21

aha

12:21

and 50 yrs -- penny stock

12:21

"some new device for televising opera"

12:23

can't even argue with it. in their environment, it dun pay to care. what's gonna happen, gunman shows up massacres the lot ? hurr, not like ~anything their brains could come up with'd help in that situation. what other environmental pressure do they encounter ? nothing surmountable. if the corp trough has pepsi that day, they can stand on fuckiong head won't get coke. "company policy".

12:24

the result of making all possible change, even the most dismal and unimportant, mindboggling expensive is a large set of cows. they dun care. why shouyld they care ? while the oats & hay lasts they eat and foal ; once it ends it ends. that's all.

12:25

conceivably someone in the eg donner party went over to the cattle, to tell them that they're fucked, feed's running out, etc. if they did, there was certainly no observable change in cattle behaviour. the fuck were they gonna do ?

12:26

cow finds out how to walk on two legs, extract ore, smelt metal, build helicopter, fly over to californy come back with another bushel of oats ? what is this, supercow al rescate ?

12:27

and moreover, why would he ~come back~

12:27

and if came back, why not with butcher.

12:27

well yes, the thing is weak in all articulations, including that one.

12:31

which takes us right back to the kako lulz. i was sitting with girl earlier, idly observed "check out that dork, argentina was too far for him. china -- not. what the fuck is wrong with people." and she explained. "you know what it is. bitcoin went up. you're thinking, eh, he made hundreds, what does he care. he cares -- because he mostly sold them as he got them, good little soviet."

12:31

then they worry about ~my~ bitcoin income. i suppose cows also worry about human dwelling -- no large salt rock in livingroom, how do those poor people live!

12:31

hey, not even china, first nz, then th !

12:32

right right.

12:32

i dun recall whether he made a cn stop

12:32

d00d posted various buddhas etc

12:33

anyway, the only reason this is lulzy is because (different) girl estimated him incapable of going further than a few hundred miles for cultural / mentality reasons.

12:33

didn't he motor all around eu at one time

12:33

in his boeing-toyota

12:33

which was the thing, back then, "of course he's not going -- to ag or anywhere else. too far from home, country boy."

12:36

as for 'ar is too far', d00d was (from his pov) poor -- a small wad of btc, but the damocle's sword of having to do honest work one day, loomed; then he 'sold the motherland' and now rich, problemsolved.

~ 45 minutes ~

13:22

in other news, a 4096-bit A**B takes approx 14 seconds (3GHz) .

↖ ↖

13:22

( unoptimized square )

13:25

(recall, it dun matter what the operands are equal to)

13:27

2048 bit : ~10s

13:29

8192 still hasn't returned...

13:33

http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NEovA/?raw=true << coad

13:34

probably doomed to karatsuba

13:37

8192 returned:

13:37

10 minutes.

↖ ↖

13:39

which is not mega-surprise, the op is O(N^5).

13:39

as written.

13:40

the funny part is that this is actually ~usable for pgp-like use

13:40

if it were not for KEY GENERATION

13:40

which would take several years.

13:46

in other peak oil news, fuel inventories filling again.

13:47

a 8192-bit mul takes ~0.06s

13:47

ben_vulpes: 'load shedding'

13:49

aka "demand destruction"?

13:50

aha.

13:51

0.06 is off by factor of ~2, measuring with rough clock suxx. but overall idea is correct.

13:53

even if proper squaring were instantaneous (and it won't be, it will be perhaps 2x faster), this is still painful.

13:53

( overall speed would improve 2x )

14:01

nao we need a non-recursive (! , SPARK won't allow recursion nor is it constanttimesafe to have any), constant-time karatsuba...

14:07

hey loox like ben_vulpes is awake, why not ~he~ try

14:07

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asciilifeform in a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651249 mood

14:07

Logged on 2017-05-03 13:11 mircea_popescu: and if mp organises a conference there's going to be a conference and if he does not there's not going to be one and if we need an isp how about mp makes it and so on and so forth up the fucking wall.

14:19

possibly i explained this next bit, but can't seem to find it in the l0gz, so will post here ftr :

14:20

a 'schoolbook' (word-by-word, using * (which will compile to IMUL instr on x86) multiplier will be faster than the 'egyptian' one. the catch is,

14:20

that there is NO guarantee that MUL/IMUL (or equiv. on other cpu) is constant time !!

14:20

in fact, it is well-known not to be constant time on recent intels.

14:21

shift-and-add ('egyptian') mult. has advantage that cpu CANNOT attempt to optimize

14:22

(what's it gonna do ? not shift? not add ? how'd it know when.)

14:23

witness, incidentally, the lack of a 'constant-MUL' instruction on any extant cpu.

14:23

think accident??

14:25

see also this d00d's -- https://bearssl.org/ctmul.html -- attempt to solve the problem in the maximally backwards, utterly ill-conceived ways.

14:25

but at least sees that it is a problem..

14:28

the multiplication problem is incidentally a textbook instance of 'specificity of diddling'. if someone offered any of you a cpu that has a 'rsa instruction', you'd barf. because very clearly paints a target for the enemy, giving him info he has no business having re what you intend to eat, when, with what spoon

14:29

but having a 'mul' instruction is in fact a thing on the same continuum!

14:29

cpu, designed by enemy, goes 'aha! he wants to mul! what can i leak about his operands..!'

14:29

'i know! the number of bits equalling 1! i'ma broadcast'

14:31

of course it is even easier if idiot luser uses 'library' or 'os api' crypto. hence why the insistent and incessant schneiering, 'don't write own crypto!'

14:35

arm cpu is incidentally ~egregious~ offender

14:35

re nonconstant mul.

14:40

hmm

14:48

do the disassembled module parts look how you'd expect them to look?

14:48

i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?

↖ ↖

14:49

well it adds bounds checks

14:49

but i ain't giving those up

14:49

understand, the constant term doesn't matter.

14:49

generally, ever.

14:49

when you have an O(N^5) !!

14:49

right.

14:49

apparently ada also allows inline-asm. who knew?

14:50

it does but this is SPECIFICALLY anti- what i want.

14:50

i'd write whole thing in asm then.

14:50

ya

14:50

and it'd be approx same size, incidentally.

14:50

and run maybe 20% faster.

14:50

but married to x86, and certainly not fits-in-head.

14:51

indeed.

14:51

i know what the retarded solutions look like, at this point ALL of the published ones, i'd bet, i've read. if i wanted to perpetrate the same retardation, i'd simply use one of'em.

14:52

ya

14:53

every single subcomponent has to run at ~worst case~ complexity at all times. i.e. 0**0 takes same time as (2**8192)**(2**8192).

14:53

that's what constant-time means.

14:53

(meanwhile at the zoo http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html )

14:58

> No seeds were lost but the ability of the rock vault to provide failsafe protection against all disasters is now threatened by climate change

14:58

so you dug a hole in a mountain and called it an impregnable vault

14:58

and then it flooded because you didn't actually call the actuaries and ask how likely the permafrost was to melt in the next millino years

14:59

hey, it ain't a disaster, it's practically a cheque for 4x the grantolade

14:59

omfg the willful ignorance and self-deception.

14:59

build new!!11

14:59

just like them cyclotrons

14:59

failure-is-success, moar-studies-needed, etc

14:59

well pay 10x up front for a thing that works, or 1x for a thing that appears to work so long as we don't move too far from initial conditions.

15:00

( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658504 thread. )

15:00

Logged on 2017-05-18 18:57 asciilifeform: there is no money, in modern usg reich, in SOLVING a problem

15:00

rank incompetence.

15:00

the sheer megalomania of 'seed vault' was breathtaking, even compared to, say, u.s. nuke network

15:01

'maybe we can make seeds scarce one day, by fucking with weather' 'and guess what, only source of new ones will be usg!'

15:03

christ, the "lets be proactive about global warming" thing takes the cake.

15:03

“failsafe“ even the article puts it in quotes

15:03

btw so far all i know is inference from ben_vulpes's headline. wouldja link to the original, ben_vulpes , plox ??

15:03

moral obligation to shoot anyone who begins "seeding atmosphere with reflective whatevers" or meddling impulse of the day

15:03

terrible habit, this

15:03

not linking.

15:04

sorry, sorry

15:04

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/19/arctic-stronghold-of-worlds-seeds-flooded-after-permafrost-melts

15:04

trinque: and anyone who 'seed vault mega-fortress in antarctica'

15:04

thing's as legit a military target, imho , as it gets.

15:04

"seed vaults" are like people who "just want titanium bitcoin keys"

15:04

no buddy, you are now in the business of maintaining computronium/gardens.

15:05

all flavors of cowardice begging mother to remove all possible failures, death mostest.

15:07

asciilifeform: the observation that these make monsantos cum, absolutely.

15:08

you'd think, in an engineering project, rather then a political one, an incident like that is a welcome opportunity to go back to drawing board and attempt to address the deficiencies of current design

15:09

there are no ~natural~ disasters where the 'seed vault' thing would turn out to be an asset.

15:09

only monsantotronic ones ( and even these, somewhat of a stretch )

15:10

it's to be seen as ~exactly like the lavish nuke-shelters (complete with underground casino and whorehouse) americans like to build.

15:11

for lizards.

15:12

i think if not for an implicit whiny political message, it could've been a nifty long now project. if nothing else, a seed repository for museum purposes. it would be, for example, interesting to observe natural mutations that might take place from now till the vault is consulted

15:13

mutations will happen at ~same rate in the vault.

15:13

i was laboring under the delusion that it /was/ a long now project!

15:13

they happen mostly from decay of organism's own K-40.

15:13

rather than external 'cosmic ray' etc

15:13

wut

15:13

aha.

15:14

see yesterday's thread.

15:14

there's no aha, we're talking about inert seeds. mutations happen as part of selection process in reproduction cycle

15:14

well the implicit comparison is to refrigerator on the continent

15:15

where you can also keep seeds.

15:15

dna rots 'in situ', while not being copied, just as in the usual process.

15:16

( if this were not so, 'unextincting' the creatures of the past, would be trivial )

15:16

last i saw, nobody had an especially long fragment of mammonth genome. despite refrigeration !

15:23

when i said mutations, i meant the iterative selection stuff. i don't know how well the seeds store, and if they don't, then there's not much of a point to the whole thing.

15:26

they'll store.

15:27

but the point of the vault is to keep'em far from some folx, vs others

15:27

not from mutation.

15:30

(observe, many folx , worldwide, already store seeds . but those don't make headlines , nor collect $billions in grantola from 'international komyoonity')

15:32

at any rate i can scarcely picture what the advertised vault could be other than a targeting decoy.

15:33

so it dun matter, to ~anyone in particular, if it floods, burns down, or gets rm -rf /'d by martians.

15:33

so long as advertised later to have been 'repaired and good as new and with further climatechangeproofing' slathered on top.

15:37

well, it's a mythological device

15:38

exactly like a missile shield.

15:38

lives in the 'twilight' between the engineered artifact and the religious 'pyramid'.

15:41

well, i think mythological devices are not inherently bad as long as they have some aesthetic value to it. problems is most of these projects are mythology for progressive bureaucrats, so they are fully stripped of aesthetics and only have implied didactic value. sort of like a church with an angry god, but no awesome transcendent

15:41

there is, however, a logical (if you will) component . there's a school of thought among lizards - normally ted turner is the name that comes up, but only because he afaik was the only unabashed, publicly confessed adherent -- that it'd be nice, from lizard pov, to physically exterminate the (actual) free world

15:41

so that usg and its catamites could have their 1,001-year-reich

15:41

lol good luck with that

15:41

early on (1960s) when su got nuke parity, it was decided that the nuke pathway probably won't work

15:41

so they switched to 'slow poison'

15:43

'unsexy', slow, 'boring' methods, e.g. mcdonaldization

15:43

but the continued (not so seekrit) existence of, e.g., american biowar programme, suggests that the 'old flame' has not yet entirely gone out.

15:44

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 << there's no real reason to support anything other than 4096.

15:44

Logged on 2017-05-19 17:37 asciilifeform: 10 minutes.

15:47

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659253 << i think no demand.

15:47

Logged on 2017-05-19 18:23 asciilifeform: think accident??

15:47

in point of fact, NOBODY to date, and outside of us, nobody at all ever conceived of using digital computers for cryptography. period and full stop.

15:47

ics are these things that go into the fridge so you can play mario while figuring out what to take out of it.

15:49

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659265 << has this ever not been the case, ever since the demise of mel ?

15:49

Logged on 2017-05-19 18:48 mod6: i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?

15:50

!~calc 0**0

15:50

jhvh1

mircea_popescu: 0**0 = 1

15:50

i had nfi that is even defined. why is it defined ?

15:51

"anything multipled by 0 is 0 ; anything raised to the power of 0 is 1." call http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656407

15:51

Logged on 2017-05-15 16:23 mircea_popescu: btw, you know the famous case of buridan's ass yes ?

15:54

anyway : some people say it's not for the people to shoot theresa may. i disagree.

15:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659313 << there are no deficiencies of current design, nor could there be. she is perfect in every way as she is and she shouldn't ever change.

15:59

Logged on 2017-05-19 19:08 phf: you'd think, in an engineering project, rather then a political one, an incident like that is a welcome opportunity to go back to drawing board and attempt to address the deficiencies of current design

15:59

good thing they included femvoices in the public sphere.

16:00

0 to the 0 is indeterminate, as in it could equal anything depending on what the limit functions are that get to 0

16:00

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659318 << maybe i'm not getting what you're saying, but how are the mutations to occur in a vault ? they're not growing and producing seeds and growing again, are they ? or you want to examine what, individual embryo cells ?

16:00

Logged on 2017-05-19 19:12 phf: i think if not for an implicit whiny political message, it could've been a nifty long now project. if nothing else, a seed repository for museum purposes. it would be, for example, interesting to observe natural mutations that might take place from now till the vault is consulted

16:01

danielpbarron it was when i went to hs, but i figured they've progressed past that

16:01

gotta keep up with our democracy n'est pas.

16:04

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659332 << seeds store fabulously well. they found viable lower empire wheat in pyramid-buried amphora, 3-4k years old.

16:04

Logged on 2017-05-19 19:23 phf: when i said mutations, i meant the iterative selection stuff. i don't know how well the seeds store, and if they don't, then there's not much of a point to the whole thing.

16:05

apparently Euler argued that 0^0 should equal 1 on the basis that n^0 equals 1. also, my ti-89 says 0^0 = 1

16:06

yes, but could equally well argue it should equal 0 on the basis that 0*x = 0.

16:06

but that's a weaker argument to make since there are zero terms

16:07

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659344 << i thought that was soros. anyway.

16:07

Logged on 2017-05-19 19:41 asciilifeform: there is, however, a logical (if you will) component . there's a school of thought among lizards - normally ted turner is the name that comes up, but only because he afaik was the only unabashed, publicly confessed adherent -- that it'd be nice, from lizard pov, to physically exterminate the (actual) free world

16:07

danielpbarron in what sense, weaker ?

16:07

zero times itself zero times, as in... there is nothing at all to multiply

16:07

well... by the same argument raising to the 0th power is no raising to any powers ?

16:08

it is not controversial to say that 1^0 equals 1. that is one times itself zero times

16:08

moreover, the strong argument is ex nihilo nihil. n ^ 0 is validly something, but 0 processed in any way can't properly make anything besides itself.

16:09

n ^ 0 is practically speaking the mathematical notation of aristotle's prime mover. "before anything, everything was one."

16:09

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659351 << gotta realize, you need a 8192b register to do 4096 (e.g., mircea_popescu's familiar mod) key.

16:09

Logged on 2017-05-19 19:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 << there's no real reason to support anything other than 4096.

16:09

thinkaboutit.

16:09

there is that.

16:10

the other thing is that key gen that takes a year, instead of 10yrs, is still not useful.

16:10

myeah

16:13

as for n ^ 0, this is not mega-mystery :

16:14

say, x/x . elementarily, 1

16:14

x ^ 1 / x ^ 1 = 1

16:15

x ^ 2 / x ^ 1 = x ^ 1 ; x ^ n / x ^ m = x ^ (n - m)

16:15

so you gotta have x ^ 0 = 1

16:15

or now you have this weird special turd case for no reason.

16:19

sure.

16:19

that part is no problem.

16:20

but x/x is not 1 if x=0. also elementary.

16:20

it's a eggog

16:20

so is 0**0.

16:20

but one that doesn't propagage (unlike div0) so nobody signals it.

16:20

*propagate

16:21

anyway, danielpbarron original approach, ie with limits of functionals, is imo also the correct one. and in this perspective f ^ g when both f and g ->0 is properly undefined.

16:22

as for euler's convention, see also https://archive.is/QmXbi

16:22

( summary : 0**0 != 1 would make expansion of taylor series a bitch )

16:23

tough.

16:23

better phrasing would be -- it wouldn't win anybody anything

16:23

4 != 5 also makes whatever a bitch.

16:23

asciilifeform this isn't a business transaction. i dun give a shit who suffers from math.

16:24

gimme a propagating eggog, a la div0 or 4 := 5 , that results from 0**0=1.

16:24

why ?

16:25

because that's the standard for distinguishing an axiom from an arbitrary notational.

16:25

not in my book.

16:25

ooh can we do axiom of choice next!1111

16:25

>D

16:26

i thought we do that like twice a week.

16:26

[insert massive, week-long mathewank here]

16:27

anyway, to humor you and with absolutely no dispositive intent : let f(x) = 1/x ; let g(x) = 1/x*2. let x ->n. 0**0 = 1 implies x -> 1 when x->n.

16:28

iirc that was euler's argument aha

16:28

pretty self-evident.

16:28

ie, ANY error, no matter how justified, IS, exactly, ~exactly~ equal any other.,

16:29

there isn't in math a possible classification of errors. any one is sufficient to "prove" all others.

16:29

this is, in fact, the standard for what math is.

16:29

circular. you gotta define what ~is~ an error

16:30

i know 'em when i see 'em.

16:30

lolk

16:31

now where do i buy a pocket mircea_popescu !1111

16:31

who dun have one, let him buy one.

16:31

( g is 1/x**2 above, if it wasn't obvious)

16:45

*

asciilifeform is haunted by the notion that constant-time karatsuba gotta exist SOMEWHERE

16:46

srsly, nobody ?

16:59

waaay over my pay grade

17:02

http://trilema.com/2017/america/ << Trilema - America!

17:02

oh dear

17:03

asciilifeform ^ you got quoted.

17:03

lol!

17:04

i bet that hovel is listed for 100kbux

17:04

at least.

17:05

'because if it were less, rabid asciilifeforms could show up and buy'em and THEN wat do'

17:05

you can call!

17:06

mas tamaño, mas sabor !!11 (tm)(r)(subj)

17:06

sam knows.

17:06

i'd rather buy that dump in timis

17:06

the one with the piss

17:07

which was that ?

17:08

cement thing full of rubbish that we ran into on a walk

17:08

no shortage of those in timisoara.

17:09

as folx unzipped & pissed, asciilifeform immediately thought 'perhaps THIS is the mythical Cheap Real Estate'

17:10

asciilifeform: you gotta see what goes for 300k in cr

17:10

"we'll even throw this shitty kia in for another 10k!"

17:11

seems ~miami-like tbh.

17:11

as for the cr photos -- i gotta admit, buenos aires looked like a civilized city, esp in contrast. whereas cr looks moar like what asciilifeform imagined 'banana republic' when reading as a child.

17:11

mircea_popescu: 300k buys a cr palace compared to pdx hovel

17:11

ironically, while cr is in fact just about that, it has better services than argentina. or the us, for the most part.

17:11

ben_vulpes portland is "urban".

17:11

nfi what property goes for in miami, utterly uninterested in fl.

17:12

which services would these be ? maybe we oughta compare mircea_popescu's part/join ticker vs his time in ar

17:12

anyway, it's not terribly expensive, let's put it that way. not a steal either.

17:12

what's better in cr ? rubbish disposal?

17:12

*

ben_vulpes deeply suspicious of steals in any case

17:12

asciilifeform whores. restaurants. clubs. bars. you name it -- anything that dun has to do with govertnment.

17:12

supermarket here regularly has 3-4 people working at bagging / ferrying my groceries to car when i visit.

17:13

is it typically piped sewage or septic?

17:13

ben_vulpes ever told you about the time i traded color tv set for flat in condo ?

17:13

lolno amazing

17:13

yeah. sold for i dun recall, 30k i think a few years later.

17:13

anyway, all piped, the grades are insane.

17:13

ohyeah also how is computronium procurement pipeline in cr?

17:13

amazon delivers.

17:14

how is it in portland ?

17:14

same

17:14

right.

17:14

civilization, sounds like

17:14

with mangoes!

17:15

did i tell you about rthe mango-pineapple jam i made ?

17:15

no, do

17:16

plus cane sugar and fresh vanilla bean. very strong femobedience aura.

17:16

but in other wtfs, meteorologists report it already rained here 30% more than average for the whole month.

17:17

!!key wernii

17:17

Not registered.

17:22

"

17:22

Ricardo

17:22

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17:22

O wau I CAN PRINT MONEY!!!!!

17:22

grade a brochureware

17:23

he doubles every day ? since when, a coupla months ago ?

17:23

vaya pyes

17:23

Obviously, all that Bitcoin hasn't allowed him to afford courses in say, web design.

17:24

maybe he's just emulating me.

17:24

holy shit mx revolutions are going for five hundred dollars

17:25

These idiots revolutionize everything.

17:26

shinohai: mx revolution was the only mouse that i ever actually liked

17:27

upteen-zillion configurable buttons, and two scrolly-bits

17:27

mind you i developed this opinion when i lived in illustrator indesign and friends

17:28

Oh ... my bad ben_vulpes .... I saw `mx` and immediately thought "Mexican Revolution"

17:28

When you refered to an object of the hardware variety.

17:29

hey if i could buy a revolution in usa for 5 grand i would

17:29

I'd chip in!

17:29

right who wouldn't

17:30

Fuck, I imagine MP would fund the whole thing and tell us all to keep our bits to purchase popcorn with.

17:30

want a good $item find an old $item final age of glorious socialism is upon us huh.

17:30

truf.

17:30

covered this in g5 and honda threads tho

17:33

in other holy shits i never knew: "jfli A descendent of Rich Hickeyâs pre-Clojure work on the JVM."

17:34

http://abcl.org/svn/tags/1.4.0/contrib/jfli/README

17:45

!!up JonDough

17:45

JonDough voiced for 30 minutes.

17:47

JonDough

thx. Got little to say though. I may use lots of words, but

17:49

Not enouygh apparently

17:49

*enough

17:53

hm ?

17:58

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659494 << the thing with the detentless wheel ?!

17:58

Logged on 2017-05-19 21:26 ben_vulpes: shinohai: mx revolution was the only mouse that i ever actually liked

17:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659496 << with no wacom?!

17:59

Logged on 2017-05-19 21:27 ben_vulpes: mind you i developed this opinion when i lived in illustrator indesign and friends

18:00

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659503 << sad thing is, mice weren't built to last

18:00

Logged on 2017-05-19 21:30 mircea_popescu: want a good $item find an old $item final age of glorious socialism is upon us huh.

18:01

clicker is good for couplea yrs, typically

18:01

<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659265 << has this ever not been the case, ever since the demise of mel ? << fair enough.

18:01

Logged on 2017-05-19 18:48 mod6: i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?

18:01

( often you can desolder and replace, but 1) good luck sourcing the exact part 2) you'll never get the legs back on properly )

18:08

http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ << plox to share with whatever not-dumb people you might know.

18:09

*

shinohai looks at contact list, finds few not0dumb people outside this forum.

18:10

there is that.

18:13

http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/19/the-oppressiveness-of-the-casual-dress-code/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The oppressiveness of the casual dress code.

18:19

*

asciilifeform listens for the sound of atlases shrugging

18:20

lel

18:20

why the fuck anyone would be on a "committee" is beyond my meagre imaginative powers.

18:20

for money, presumably

18:21

though i can think of slightly cleaner ways to earn bread

18:21

*

asciilifeform no longer on any committee, for looong time nao

18:22

it never pays anything afaik.

18:22

somehow twisted "ethics" into justifying the practice.

18:22

doesn't directly pay, no

18:23

"oh, you mean you want me to work for $institution for free ?" "yes, it's prestige!!! you realising any portion of the value you add would make the value you add worth less--for us!"

18:23

oh i see then...

18:23

but often is voluntary-mandatory ritual

18:23

if i consult as to what stupid whore random idiot should not marry, i expect him to pay for the fucking drinks.

18:26

http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ << Trilema - Time to get out, by the way.

18:26

pete_dushenski: 'As time marches on and you start to earn more income and you buy a few more t-shirts, a single polo shirt, new jeans, and some Nike runners – but it’s never quite enough. The fashions are changing too quickly and what you wore before soon looks dated and passe..' << dafuq

18:26

didja have the woman write this post, pete_dushenski , or wat

18:29

!!up juscamarena

18:29

juscamarena voiced for 30 minutes.

18:30

speaking of which, /me was at very upscale italian place today, fine food, good service, one large table (16 people). all men. no women. ALL wore jeans. which prompted to look around. EVERY MALE THERE wore jeans. some, ouright denim+timberlands construction yard fare.

18:31

from what the girls report, the prevalence of adult male who owns nothing beyond jeans and tshirts is 30% or more.

18:31

juscamarena

yo,bamb0u is like the dumbest follower of you that I know of, pretty funny to watch him babble around haha

18:32

i have an follower ?

18:32

!#s bamb0u

18:32

4 results for "bamb0u", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bamb0u

18:33

oh with the slack. right.

18:33

dun look like we got one here aha

18:33

juscamarena

he basically thinks you're a god :)

18:34

my girls think the same!

18:35

meanwhile in bed, bath and beyond, https://68.media.tumblr.com/2943fdb21135fd014ed85b51e1d5d5e3/tumblr_mvduniS3L81spdyhpo1_1280.jpg

18:38

I need one of those, my local store doesn't have. Must manufacture myself I suppose.

18:40

not so hard to make ; purchase parts separately -- some assembly necessary.

18:43

The assembly is the best part! :D

18:44

entirely unsurprisingly, adriana salerno aka https://www.bates.edu/mathematics/faculty-staff/salerno-adriana-j/ is some random whore from venezuela who a) has no research to show for the food and board "patriarchy" gave her and b) wishes to scold people who fed and clothe her for free because "they aren't doing enough", while she herself is not catching first flight back to caracas to be raped into the dirt like all the othe

18:44

r ~exactly identical dumb whores who didn't have the chance / utter and unmitigated priviledge of being picked out of the gutter by self-hating libertard.

18:44

Sounds like a female thestringpuller

18:44

it's only priviledge when that guy has it!!1

18:46

(bates, fwiw, is a "liberal arts" place. not sure why they pretend to a math dept.)

18:46

but recently been getting major $$$ from all the pantsuit supports desperately trying to avoid outright dekulakization.

18:48

mircea_popescu: when i read that thing the other day, thought 'genius trollage'

18:48

as per my lights, genuine dumb broad braying her stuff.

18:49

'heighten the contradictions', 'widen the cracks', etc, bring nearer the ovens.

18:49

i'm not particularly against. very little more amusing than obviously tenner-a-blowjob latinos derping about how they found some loser and hurr durr.

18:50

asciilifeform: configurably detenting!

18:50

for what it's worth, married whore fare is always one of two : either how much money her husband is making, or how little say he has in things and matters.

18:50

ben_vulpes: i must not have seen that one

18:50

besides, once one learns to use a non-detenting wheel, detents are offensive.

18:51

*

ben_vulpes slowly grinding away from mice in any case

18:51

what do you use, stickshifts ?

18:51

i dun have smoothscrolling on my boxen, ben_vulpes

18:51

detents or bust.

18:51

what is detent ?

18:51

one click one line?

18:51

you cliock for scroll ?!

18:52

*

asciilifeform does not use mouse particularly often, but expects it to work correctly when picked up

18:52

click of scroll wheel, mircea_popescu

18:52

why, to mac third button ?

18:52

mircea_popescu: that also. detent keeps wheel from turning while you press on it

18:52

scroll wheel itself clicks as you spin it omfg you troll

18:52

why, mircea_popescu , where do you keep 3rd button

18:52

i have nfi, i never push down the wheels. why would i

18:53

paste ?

18:53

that's kbd no ?

18:53

b/w terminals

18:53

whole point of mouse, neh

18:53

well in terminals it's ctrl-6 alt / ctrl-k or w/e

18:53

i'm confused. what ?

18:53

that pisses ~into~ the term

18:53

sometimes this is unacceptable

18:54

mircea_popescu: "faggtos"

18:55

lel

18:55

purpose of mouse is 1) terminal scrollback 2) surgically lifting text, e.g., eggogs, out of terminal 3) cad

18:56

i pgup the terminal. i generally don't use the mouse to select text, except in some circumstances, and even then only to land. ctrl-arrow etc toi actually select. and i dun much cad, nor can i stand it.

18:56

good thing there's a few folx who can stand it

18:56

i suppose i don't actually use the mouse that much huh

18:56

asciilifeform good inded.

18:57

i think if i cad;d mnuch i;d get a pen though.

18:57

fwiw i dun pick it up for most of day

18:58

way upstack, asciilifeform didja see the hickey pre-clojure "jfli" stuff?

18:58

pen is great, i have a recent wacom here, but software support is ~nil

18:58

part of why can't stand it.

18:58

ben_vulpes: armedbear?

18:58

asciilifeform: aha

18:58

it was well-known, suffered from same problems as his later crackpottery

18:59

fuck jvm with rusty shovel.

18:59

that being?

18:59

well yes, jvm a shit.

18:59

no exception handling, no restarts, jvm barf on eggog

18:59

not retrofittable, either.

18:59

abcl will drop one into a debugger

19:00

and does not do restarts and condition handling? that i have not yet verified myself

19:00

i see 0 reason to bother making silk purse from the sow.

19:00

let the sow go.

19:00

eh, man needs a shovel to take care of shitpile.

19:01

i dun need jvm for anything whatsoever.

19:02

lucky you

19:02

!#s armed bear

19:02

5 results for "armed bear", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=armed%20bear

19:02

pretty sure we had thread

19:06

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 << oblig, and still gathering butthurtz 8yrs later

19:09

eh, i find it funny that he went from doing stuff in cl to the clojure fingertrap

19:09

not surprising, but funny

19:10

wanted to 'modernize', hipsterize, embrace an' extend, have-followers, komyoonity, 'governance', rubberchickenconferences

19:10

http://qntra.net/2017/05/ryan-x-charles-goes-to-clearance-bin-for-latest-spam-as-service-offering/ << Qntra - Ryan X Charles Goes To Clearance Bin For Latest Spam As Service Offering

19:10

he dun even attend anymore

19:12

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659234 << Switch to "summer gas" has deadline by end of month, so refineries coming back from maintenance downtime

19:12

Logged on 2017-05-19 17:46 ben_vulpes: in other peak oil news, fuel inventories filling again.

19:17

such a weird thing to want.

19:17

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659287 << No such thing as permafrost, in every direction from myself jawbones of "Edestus shark" are found suggesting my present location was once ocean floor

19:17

Logged on 2017-05-19 18:58 ben_vulpes: and then it flooded because you didn't actually call the actuaries and ask how likely the permafrost was to melt in the next millino years

19:17

i can't explain it outside of fundamental alienation. dude can't pick up in bars like normal people, figures he wants this crap ?\

19:19

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659329 << AHA, traditional rule of thumb is from batch of seeds germination rate decreases ~10% per year of storage (give or take)

19:19

Logged on 2017-05-19 19:15 asciilifeform: dna rots 'in situ', while not being copied, just as in the usual process.

19:21

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659349 << Aha, meanwhile SU's "cultural marxism" slow poison continues beyond SU's grave

19:21

Logged on 2017-05-19 19:43 asciilifeform: 'unsexy', slow, 'boring' methods, e.g. mcdonaldization

19:24

no stupid idea ever died yet.

19:31

polybutalene piping did

19:32

In very rare case

19:32

http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QTnBx/?raw=true << mod6 , phf , ave1 , et al : most recent ffa

19:33

still well under 1000 ln.

19:33

( half of which is header )

19:35

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/#selection-47.418-47.426 s/faggtos/faggots/ ?

19:36

i thought i fixed that ?

19:37

*

shinohai reopens page

19:37

aha! I opened the page before being called outside to survey the garden.

19:37

ha!

19:38

Seems you did pruning of your own!

19:38

well, ben_vulpes beat you to it.

19:39

The glorious Republic, where many eyes will ensure not a single spelling snafu goes unnoticed.

19:48

might be the most-read text. seeing how people actually read.

20:02

asciilifeform: thanks!

20:09

new ffa compiles

20:14

https://blog.comae.io/wannacry-decrypting-files-with-wanakiwi-demo-86bafb81112d <<< claims to have "fix" for the Wannacry ransomware.

20:16

publishing a fake fix that wrapped it in yet another layer of ransomware would be top trolling.

20:17

!!up mav11

20:17

mav11 voiced for 30 minutes.

~ 41 minutes ~

20:59

rich hickey is a common lisper, i met him at philly ete back when the language was still in flux, and thought that his pedigree is going to be a benefit to the system that he's trying to build. not so. he made similar rationalization to gosling "such and such feature is complicated for the end lusers, so i decided we're not going to support it" re readtables, exception, proper type hierarchy, etc.

20:59

wtf does this "end user ease" bs come from anyway.

21:00

how do they have sex, these people ? "this part of the penis she might feel, please ablate" ?

21:00

i suspect thinking is "i can trick her into having sex with me, by making myself bland and non-threatening"

21:00

"we support urethra-only penis ; easier for end user, plus more octopus compatible this way too!"

21:00

holy shit, you're right aren't you.

21:01

"if it dun feel like much of a fuck, she might sit put a turn."

21:15

vampire bat cock lol

~ 57 minutes ~

22:12

“P: A programming language for asynchrony, fault-tolerance and uncertainty (microsoft.com)” cc asciilifeform

~ 34 minutes ~

22:47

!up moli_

22:47

!!up moli_

22:47

moli_ voiced for 30 minutes.

22:50

phf: and tmsr is a thorium molten salt reactor, dun forget.

22:51

and an australian rock band.

22:51

and i fughet what else.

~ 45 minutes ~

23:37

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659495 << i'm using a mouse with 1 button and even that's too many buttons. mouse just needs to point; keyboard can click.

23:37

Logged on 2017-05-19 21:27 ben_vulpes: upteen-zillion configurable buttons, and two scrolly-bits

23:47

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4D6639A2284B17CBCAC69E9DCFF7FA528B73CD98FD8AFA6770053ECD72EC7E9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1032...9853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.198 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)

23:47

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4D6639A2284B17CBCAC69E9DCFF7FA528B73CD98FD8AFA6770053ECD72EC7E9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1024...8989 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.198 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)

23:59

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A41C72E132CA27C714CCBB891B3E0FB2599ADD962AA0B016016A35D597E6DEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1223...6897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.68.44 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.68.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)

23:59

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A41C72E132CA27C714CCBB891B3E0FB2599ADD962AA0B016016A35D597E6DEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...5183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.68.44 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.68.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)

23:59

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FF39F5C93A6DA366B8B6C3C28699D4787489C0F3C0EB0D45AF999D9D6809FC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...5183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.249.251.162 (ssh-rsa key from 183.249.251.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)

23:59

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FF39F5C93A6DA366B8B6C3C28699D4787489C0F3C0EB0D45AF999D9D6809FC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1226...2807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.249.251.162 (ssh-rsa key from 183.249.251.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)

23:59

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4D6639A2284B17CBCAC69E9DCFF7FA528B73CD98FD8AFA6770053ECD72EC7E9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1032...9853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.198 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)

23:59

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3D39768DC3697D89650029AA98422A7B114356E890AA3879B03F8A4B277EF854 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1032...9853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.185 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)

23:59