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01:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00E69710A08FE84C607C242B203D610282AED791F7FEBC87A0ADAE9720C3DD37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1726...7357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.1.241.170 (ssh-rsa key from 72.1.241.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (4801F1AA.ptr.provps.com. US CA)
01:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/00E69710A08FE84C607C242B203D610282AED791F7FEBC87A0ADAE9720C3DD37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1796...1267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '72.1.241.170 (ssh-rsa key from 72.1.241.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (4801F1AA.ptr.provps.com. US CA)
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02:10 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=437
02:10 BingoBoingo ^ "What I did when I was six-years-old is now against the law for young men being scouted by collegiate football programs."
02:13 mircea_popescu lmao
02:14 mircea_popescu really makes one want to burn it down, huh.
02:18 BingoBoingo 4real
02:25 trinque actual criminal act being the son speaking to whichever meddling govt slug.
02:25 mircea_popescu eh, i wouldn't put it on the kid.
02:27 BingoBoingo kid likely didn't have to talk to slug himself, slug merely needed to hear hearsay about slug's micro-trek
02:27 trinque could be.
02:29 mircea_popescu moreover, when confronted with the bs, how the fuck do i need to reason to conclude correct solution is not "pay idiot on the phone visit at office, leave him beaten into a gel" but rather "tell kid to lie to strangers randomly and impredictably". what's he supposed to say, specifically ?
02:31 mircea_popescu cryingly obvious that the only correct solution is ask "social worker" dork for his name, paying him a visit, beating him until he swears he will never as long as he lives call anyone with that bullshit ever again.
02:31 mircea_popescu then kill him if he breaks his oath.
02:31 BingoBoingo Eh, perhaps start with beating random idiots into gel. Beat particular phone idiots into half gel, preferably the bottom half.
02:31 trinque not incompatible, these
02:32 mircea_popescu i still dun see what the kid did wrong.
02:32 mircea_popescu he's 17 or w/e. the whole "answer all strangers with fuck you" thing works for old people who already have all the cunts they care to ever have.
02:32 mircea_popescu not for teenagers. he's supposed to talk to ~everyone.
02:33 trinque if I spawned something that wailed to the state regarding my household, I'd at a minimum give the kid to the state on the spot.
02:33 mircea_popescu dun seem too likely kid complained.
02:34 mircea_popescu maybe, i guess. lafond is not very dedecated to the documentary side of things.
02:34 BingoBoingo Kid maybe even was bragging. Just forgot to frame walk as "football training"
02:35 trinque yeh, otherwise no, kid's not expected to fall out of womb a trained diplomat, soldier, spy
02:36 BingoBoingo Anyway, kid ought to learn how to do a gel beating. Defend the Patriarch!
02:36 mircea_popescu moreover any diplomat/spy will explain to you it's stupid and wasteful to try to lie about trivial stuff like whether you walked or drove there.
02:38 * trinque got out of more than a handful of jams with silence, or at least verbal parsimony
02:38 trinque kid can manage that if he's walking through the city aged
02:39 mircea_popescu on the other hand, 6 miles is what, a coupla hours ? kinda meh commute. a mile or two much better constitutional.
02:42 BingoBoingo ~90-120 minutes depending on terrain, sights, and (.)(.) sights
02:56 mircea_popescu !!up IRC-Source_69434
02:56 deedbot IRC-Source_69434 voiced for 30 minutes.
02:58 BingoBoingo IRC-Source_69434 Who is your daddy and what does he do?
03:06 BingoBoingo In other gels https://archive.is/i0Jj4
03:08 mircea_popescu so they're changing gaming for redditarding ?
03:08 mircea_popescu makes sense, cheaper gfx.
03:09 mircea_popescu gotta prepare for that one belt, one asshole thing.
03:11 BingoBoingo Well, hard to tell. gotta figure out what kind of gel they are
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05:02 shinohai https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013719.html "If 60% of blocks in any retargeting period signal for Double UASF,
05:02 shinohai any descendant block that creates or spends a segregated witness output is
05:02 shinohai invalid."
05:02 shinohai heh
05:11 mircea_popescu pshaw.
05:14 shinohai Morning mircea_popescu ... thought everyone was asleep at this hour honestly
05:15 mircea_popescu just about to go yeah.
05:16 shinohai lol enjoy, I'm having cafecito and starting day.
05:16 * shinohai searches for lulz
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08:37 shinohai http://archive.is/WazBj "How to obtain items for war chests"
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10:47 mod6 buenos dias
10:52 mircea_popescu hola mod6
10:52 Framedragger herro.
10:53 Framedragger (scan report: progress is slow, but still on track to get the re-scan and comparison (cf. last year) done in june)
10:54 Framedragger (the SYN probes to the full ipv4 space are the easy part, and those have already been done across 3 different machines for maximum sciency science (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/2017/port22-ip/); key extraction is the thing that's left)
10:55 mircea_popescu how's life in the world's darkest pithole otherwise ?
10:56 shinohai oh you're in the US now Framedragger ?
10:56 Framedragger pithole shall be deframedraggerized some time start of july! so there's that!
10:56 shinohai (World's darkest pit)
10:56 Framedragger US, UK, same shit yknow
10:56 mircea_popescu o hey. where to ?
10:57 mircea_popescu nah, uk leads the shitshow.
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10:57 shinohai Impressive.
10:57 Framedragger yeah they want their own internet now and all that
10:57 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659284
10:57 a111 Logged on 2017-05-19 18:53 Framedragger: (meanwhile at the zoo http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html )
10:57 shinohai How goes the "Register @ Post Office to watch pr0n" thing going?
10:58 Framedragger mircea_popescu: france for a bit, visit folks in paris and down south, then back to homeland for sun/heat exposure / to feel the summer so to speak, beverages with friends and so on, and later - who knows. $startup applied to an accelerator in puerto rico (ikr?!), may go there for a few months
10:59 Framedragger shinohai: persistently if effectively :D it's going ~just fine~
10:59 * mircea_popescu picked up aspiring slave/slut at airpot. as per instruction she wore heels an a light dress, no more. dress came off right then and there, into the garbage bin. walked to car, got in... people tried not to notice as is customary...
10:59 mircea_popescu free porn for everyone!
11:00 shinohai :D
11:00 Framedragger mp the public utility provider!
11:00 mircea_popescu young womenz should be naked in public. that's why they're pretty, after all.
11:00 mircea_popescu plenty of time to spend money on clothes after 50.
11:03 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170520/#123 << yeah there is that!
11:03 scriba Logged on 2017-05-20: [19:16:12] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct".
11:03 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170520/#132 << ikr
11:03 scriba Logged on 2017-05-20: [19:29:49] <pete_dushenski> Framedragger: that paper is g-g-g-g-gold. should win pulitzer. hey if maya angelou can be nominated, these guys deserve it take home whole shebang.
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11:25 mircea_popescu and in other strange requests, http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/2377524/details.htm
11:26 asciilifeform lol is this where mircea_popescu gets the airport gurlz
11:27 mircea_popescu ah, notrly. usually by recommendation.
11:28 mircea_popescu i do have a profile though ; pretty sure i linked it at some point.
11:28 * asciilifeform recalls
11:28 asciilifeform wasn't collarspace nearly dead after acrimonious divorce of the owner ? or was that another thing
11:28 * asciilifeform digs in l0gz
11:29 mircea_popescu collarme.com was the original ; entitled wifey tried to run off with domain name / blackmail hubby. lengthy "awareness raising" fembs. dude ignored her thoroughly, reg'd new name, six weeks later she's entirely forgotten.
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11:30 mircea_popescu that and the fact site is still, in 2017, eminently usable / well designed etc significantly increase his rep with me.
11:37 mircea_popescu hm, apparently i never did link it. not in the log at any rate. here : http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/1927835/details.htm
11:51 asciilifeform meanwhile, in asciilifeformlandia, http://archive.is/S7UIl
11:51 shinohai Black guy i=on sideline for interpretations?
11:57 asciilifeform meanwhile, from the dept. of strauss-kahnism, http://archive.is/RU0qV
11:58 asciilifeform 'He was a millionaire, in Washington to toast President Trump’s inauguration. She was a maid, tasked with cleaning rooms that cost more in a few days than her monthly rent. ... her buttocks, according to a police report ... '
11:58 mircea_popescu still with that, huh.
11:58 asciilifeform it's the n-th, i'd bet
11:58 asciilifeform just happened to be in same fishwrap as the knifey
11:59 mircea_popescu meanwhile in totally great ideas, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/catapult-ad1.mp4
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12:23 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA957720DCF5C8CC42191CD73108FC89575AEB7E3601626A6926F1ABBE9EDBD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...7957 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.137 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR2117MT750G-VPN-MiVi-Or-Ca-c2677. US CA)
12:23 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA957720DCF5C8CC42191CD73108FC89575AEB7E3601626A6926F1ABBE9EDBD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1529...0253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.137 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR2117MT750G-VPN-MiVi-Or-Ca-c2677. US CA)
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12:39 ben_vulpes buttocks!
12:40 asciilifeform !#vulpes
12:40 asciilifeform !#vulpes
12:40 a111 a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
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13:00 mircea_popescu whereas in totally bad ideas, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/catapult-ad1.mp4
13:00 mircea_popescu aw shit wrong link.
13:00 mircea_popescu http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/big-spring-clean-ad.mp4
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13:40 mircea_popescu “The parents are totally devastated that their young son, that was at the peak of his career about to take off, and his life was taken away senselessly,” said Godlock, who is serving as a family spokesman.
13:40 mircea_popescu maybe the family considers getting a spokesman who is not a total idiot.
13:41 mircea_popescu the implication of "his career was at the peak and also about to take off" is very neatly that blacks are dumb and incapable of any lift.
13:42 mircea_popescu “Anyone who feels empowered by what happen, the only thing I can say is that if you want to harm our students, you are going to have to go through us,” Mitchell said at Sunday’s news conference. “We are not going to tolerate any harm brought to our students. Not on my campus. Not on my watch.”
13:42 mircea_popescu ahem. if it didn't fly in the face of evidence...
13:44 asciilifeform incidentally, this is the town where a tattered rope from old toy balloon turned into a 'noose' and worked as pretext for butthurt 'commisions', 'diveristy ralleys', doubled funding for 'victim advocates', candlelight vigils, etc
13:44 mircea_popescu awww
13:44 mircea_popescu useless but bored people.
13:44 asciilifeform umd puts out a 'newspaper', also. at one time it was ~readable if a snore. today -- ~100% 'ohnoez campusrape, moarfunding'
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13:45 mircea_popescu obviously.
13:46 asciilifeform the switchover was surprisingly sharp, also -- around a year ago.
13:46 mircea_popescu they be hungry.
14:00 asciilifeform !$ssh 38.96.45.137
14:00 scriba ssh banner of 38.96.45.137 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
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14:27 mircea_popescu and in other lifes of the mind, https://bluedeckpress.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/relyfe-programming-innovations-in-erotic-hypnosis-for-lasting-changes-in-bdsm-relationships/
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16:45 ben_vulpes collarspace down?
16:45 ben_vulpes catapult was a+ lols
16:46 ben_vulpes also, good news for putincoin! http://i.imgur.com/35HkXiI.jpg
16:47 mircea_popescu prolly. it's never been terribly reliable.
16:47 ben_vulpes ah, cloudflare finally kicked in
16:48 ben_vulpes you know what i need, a software as a service thinger that spins forever before delivering a 504
16:48 mircea_popescu but as far as alternative fuckgoats testing goes, http://collarspace.com/cdn/cinema/queensnake/computer-love-ad1.mp4
16:51 shinohai Only after rigorous testing, such as shown above, do the finest fuckgoats units leave the lab.
16:59 mircea_popescu oh and in other items to make haters sad : went for mountain hike yest. we got so high, we actually went past a BABY FALCON that was learning how to fly.
16:59 mircea_popescu anyone ever saw baby falcon fuck around the ground like a turkey ? no ? DIDNT THINK SO! HA-HAH!
17:14 * phf have seen, likes mountaineering
17:14 mircea_popescu a, good for you then
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17:49 shinohai No pics of cuddly baby falcon for those of us with ornithological interests?
17:54 mircea_popescu it didn't stay put long enough.
18:01 BingoBoingo In one of last night's gel's Y ARE STEPS 2-12 WRONG!? https://archive.is/zZNYX
18:03 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: also of note, the adorable little potato buds are poking up
18:03 ben_vulpes time to cover them with moar tasty dirt
18:03 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Wonderful. Straw also works. Those things will put on size fast
18:04 ben_vulpes i'm looking forward to it
18:04 ben_vulpes shooting for 10/15 lbs per bukkit
18:08 BingoBoingo Nice. This past week tomatoes have just been shitting out new flowers. Lot of pollenating going on
18:11 BingoBoingo Also my sweet corn is taller than any farmer's cash corn I have driven past so far
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18:26 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/schimb-valutar/ << Trilema - Schimb valutar
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19:10 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/impeachment-fantasy-of-us-socialist-party-begins-collapsing-as-infighting-resumes/ << Qntra - Impeachment Fantasy Of US Socialist Party Begins Collapsing As Infighting Resumes
19:13 mircea_popescu awww.
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19:30 phf !!up IRC-Source_82051
19:30 deedbot IRC-Source_82051 voiced for 30 minutes.
19:30 phf speak
19:30 mircea_popescu is it yours ?
19:30 phf no
19:31 mircea_popescu looks to me like a bot.
19:31 phf over a web though?
19:31 phf though i'm not sure how that cgi-irc thing works..
19:31 mircea_popescu bots can web...
19:31 phf !!!
19:31 mircea_popescu !$ssh 81.103.77.43
19:32 shinohai !~display 81.103.77.43
19:32 jhvh1 shinohai: {'city': 'Swansea', 'region_name': 'Z1', 'longitude': -3.966700000000003, 'country_code3': 'GBR', 'latitude': 51.63329999999999, 'postal_code': None, 'country_code': 'GB', 'country_name': 'United Kingdom'}
19:34 asciilifeform !~google http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#trilema
19:34 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Connect - freenode Web IRC: <https://webchat.freenode.net/>; freenode Web IRC (qwebirc): (2 more messages)
19:34 asciilifeform !~google http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#trilema&nick=IRC-Source
19:34 jhvh1 asciilifeform: freenode Web IRC ( qwebirc ): <https://webchat.freenode.net/>
19:34 asciilifeform nodice
19:36 IRC-Source_82051 not a bot
19:36 IRC-Source_82051 just lurking
19:37 mircea_popescu so why the retarded nick ?
19:37 IRC-Source_82051 all the good ones were taken
19:37 mircea_popescu lolk
19:38 mircea_popescu i wonder if the 10th 9 in that latitude figure is correct, or was it really an 8.
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19:39 mircea_popescu fun fact : 10 decimal precise latitudes indicate ~micrometers.
19:41 IRC-Source_82051 what do you guys think about BIP148/UASF?
19:41 mircea_popescu !#s "UASF"
19:41 a111 3 results for "\"UASF\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22UASF%22
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19:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: latest, it turns out, obfuscatory-rebrand of usg.fork
20:00 asciilifeform ( do we have 1 per week yet ? )
20:04 mircea_popescu i read all about it on trilema like five years ago.
20:07 asciilifeform apparently https://archive.is/QjFEm is the latest snore.
20:09 shinohai We welcome all companies, miners, developers and users to join us and help prepare bitcoin for the future << heh
20:12 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658001 <> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660203
20:12 a111 Logged on 2017-05-18 15:16 mircea_popescu: tell you what, if i wanted to put uncacheable pngs somewhere on the web, i'd have NOT needed 1k lines of six decimal place pt specifications nor inept matrices and their useless transforms.
20:12 a111 Logged on 2017-05-22 23:38 mircea_popescu: i wonder if the 10th 9 in that latitude figure is correct, or was it really an 8.
20:13 asciilifeform gotta wonder if these come out of 'ints don't exist' js liquishitsoup
20:13 mircea_popescu every two bit tramp with a plan wants to prepare my pie for "the future".
20:13 mircea_popescu i am shocked by this impredictable turn of events. really, he who hasn't and wishes he had will talk of futurez ?
20:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite likely.
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20:33 mod6 evenin'
20:33 shinohai heya mod6
20:37 mod6 how goes shinohai?
20:44 shinohai Not bad here, puttering about. How goes the lab tests?
20:47 mod6 going well.
20:48 mod6 re-doing the tests for FG1 and the first test of FG2. Basically these were run prior to the 'fullblock' thread.
20:48 mod6 !#s fullblock
20:48 a111 9 results for "fullblock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fullblock
20:49 mod6 should have them done within a few days. then i gotta try to do some fg-anal.
21:00 mircea_popescu fg-anal sure has a dong to it.
21:01 asciilifeform watch out , pcb dun have rounded cornerz
21:01 asciilifeform gotta file'em
21:01 asciilifeform and pins, ow
21:02 asciilifeform i suppose one could pour the entire assembly into silicone...
21:02 mod6 im not exactly sure what kinda anal. might just put some stats in there to pull-together some of the info from all 15 tests.
21:02 mod6 we'll see how it goes
21:04 asciilifeform asciilifeform used 'dieharder' to reject a handful of screamingly defective analogue units , but currently isn't sure that it's good for much re a ~working~ one
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21:06 asciilifeform ( the grade outputted by the 'hungrier' tests appears to be in direct proportion to sample size, and very little else; and FG, /dev/urandom, various fashionable prng, intel's mysterymeatrng, and several others, all exhibit same effect, 100% pass begins somewhere b/w 1-3GB sample size. )
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21:06 asciilifeform the idiotic 'looping' cannot (afaik) be switched off. (yes i could patch the src but the result will be a nonstandard tester )
21:07 asciilifeform ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647896 thread. )
21:07 a111 Logged on 2017-04-26 01:39 asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
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21:28 mod6 yeah
21:29 mod6 I might just end up writing a page that links all the ent/dieharder results.
21:29 mod6 i dunno yet; but it'll be something
21:30 mod6 re http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/v_tickets.html << 1, 2, 3 are certainly complete.
21:30 mod6 will be removing these.
21:33 shinohai `t` has proved useful as well, just for personal recor-keeping
21:33 shinohai *record
21:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem is insoluble and dieharder/ent/etc are fundamentally braindamaged. there's no way to avoid the "give it a large enough sample it'll show 100%" problem specifically because there's no such thing as random bitstream.
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21:33 mod6 yeah, was thinking heavily about the new version lastnight. need to get some work into that yet.
21:34 mod6 mircea_popescu: werd
21:34 mod6 !%r v 2
21:35 mod6 !%r v 3
21:35 mod6 !%r v 1
21:36 mircea_popescu moreover, even something as simple as "discern if bitstream X is a linear function with an irrational parameter" is beyond what can be established.
21:36 mircea_popescu can trivially show this is weaker than " return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction".
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21:37 mod6 %!e v 4 T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
21:37 mod6 gah
21:37 mod6 !%e v 4 T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
21:40 mod6 !%e v 5 T "Publish V-Genesis" "Publish V-Genesis post 99994 release."
21:48 mircea_popescu because i've had it explaining this in private : yes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659420 goes to 1. for the same money, f(x) = 1/n^x g(x) = 1/x converge to 1/n, which is any arbitrary value (including 0 when n=x so f(x) = 1/x^x. nfi why this isn't evident, but anyway.
21:48 a111 Logged on 2017-05-19 20:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, to humor you and with absolutely no dispositive intent : let f(x) = 1/x ; let g(x) = 1/x*2. let x ->n. 0**0 = 1 implies x -> 1 when x->n.
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22:12 shinohai "Facebook will also allow people to livestream attempts to self-harm because it ‘doesn’t want to censor or punish people in distress’, it added." http://archive.is/AJNoW
22:12 shinohai Facebook respects YOUR right to An Hero
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22:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660248 << this ain't the problem -- already right off the bat , sane operator knows that it is physically impossible to test for ~good~ rng, only for ~bad rng~
22:40 a111 Logged on 2017-05-23 01:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is insoluble and dieharder/ent/etc are fundamentally braindamaged. there's no way to avoid the "give it a large enough sample it'll show 100%" problem specifically because there's no such thing as random bitstream.
22:41 mircea_popescu i keep waiting for one of these actually doing it properly : rubbing self with thyme and stuffing bacon in the cuts.
22:41 mircea_popescu mmm.
22:41 asciilifeform per dijkstra's 'testing can demonstrate the presence of bugs, but never their absence'
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22:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform otherwise, the presence of "whitening" is conversely the statement of the impossibility of proper "ent"
22:41 asciilifeform aha
22:42 asciilifeform whitening == gluing petrol tank gauge to 'full'
22:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660255 << again, nobody (rather, not asciilifeform) asked for general case -- it is provably impossible (see chaitin)
22:45 a111 Logged on 2017-05-23 01:36 mircea_popescu: can trivially show this is weaker than " return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction".
22:46 asciilifeform but to display ~existing~ test failures in predictor-algorithm form
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22:46 asciilifeform and any test that cannot be formulated in this way -- is rubbish and oughta go away
22:47 mircea_popescu the problem is thge swet of possibly existing failures is transfinite or some shit
22:47 mircea_popescu necessarily no test can be formulated.
22:47 mircea_popescu as per goedel.
22:47 asciilifeform let's take concrete example -- if i make a rubbish rng that leads 'ent' to conclude that pi == 4
22:48 asciilifeform this can be restated as a better-than-chance predictor of n-th bit of stream.
22:49 mircea_popescu sure.
22:49 mircea_popescu but this is not what you're asking, for a test that sometimes finds something, is it.
22:49 asciilifeform actually it was !
22:49 mircea_popescu ah, i misunderstood.
22:49 asciilifeform dieharder etc oughta output f(n) = $guess
22:50 mircea_popescu no see, now you made it in the general again.
22:50 mircea_popescu do you want it to miss most cases, or do you want it to not miss most cases ?
22:50 asciilifeform ( with $guess being some particular algebraic )
22:50 asciilifeform this is not about the tests, but the output of same
22:51 asciilifeform let's take a painfully pedantic example:
22:51 mircea_popescu again, irrational numbers are the problem. pix+e is not "algebraic" in this sense.
22:51 asciilifeform say an rng fails the 'birthdays' test.
22:51 asciilifeform because the output byte is never ever 0xaa .
22:52 asciilifeform so we get a sadness equation:
22:53 mircea_popescu i suppose distributions is the sane way to go about this. study if taking byte as 3 gives uneven distribution as opposed to taking byte as 8, say.
22:53 asciilifeform f(n) = random(0..a9 + ab..ff)
22:53 asciilifeform (let's accept this range-with-hole notation.)
22:54 asciilifeform my original contention is that any test which, upon 'failure', cannot produce a sadness equation, is ill-conceived.
22:54 mircea_popescu in this sense ~all of the dieharder tests do produce one implicitly.
22:55 asciilifeform aha!
22:55 mircea_popescu chi squares or w/e, monte carlo etc
22:55 asciilifeform right. output ought be a 'hey schmuck, if you use this rng, i can predict, like-so...'
22:57 mircea_popescu the problem hgere is : you are guarding the wife's door rather than her cunt. she dun need to use the door.
22:57 mircea_popescu it's so easy to make perfectly balanced faux entropy, only some very inept usg-ians would use anything else.
22:57 mircea_popescu very low standard/
22:57 asciilifeform so next step is: once we have a sadness equation, you can take it and test its guess rate vs expected value, with new output sample.
22:58 asciilifeform and yes, this is still same old tests, nothing magically different about them, there will ~never~ be a mechanical test for 'good rng'
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22:58 asciilifeform because it is not an arithmetic attribute .
22:59 asciilifeform but function of rng AND enemy. (see ancient thread, 2014ish iirc)
23:01 asciilifeform however there is a number of tests-for-broken-rng. my idea was strictly re an algo for how to measure their actual relevance .
23:01 asciilifeform ( what delta over random stab in the dark does the supposed predictor give the enemy . )
23:03 asciilifeform tests as we have them now are useful because they can reveal 'organic' damage or misdesign, e.g. stuck bits. rather than malfeasance.
23:03 asciilifeform brb
23:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ITS constituents!
23:18 BingoBoingo tyvm fixed
23:18 asciilifeform the 'formulate as predictor' came from asciilifeform's ongoing regular stabs at breaking shitoshi's rng.
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23:19 mircea_popescu the sort of thing one's not well advised to stop trying even should he succeed.
23:19 asciilifeform aha, like all 'tests reveal presence, never absence..'
23:20 mircea_popescu no, moreover, because stopping;'s suspicious.
23:20 asciilifeform i wonder who else ever even mentioned subj publicly.
23:21 mircea_popescu people on tardstalk.
23:26 asciilifeform do they still even nao?
23:29 asciilifeform and, supposing they do not : was the stopping - suspicious..?
23:31 mircea_popescu lol
23:32 mircea_popescu the stopping of talking in the tardsgroup is never suspicious. they talk at the margins, as per the "gotta say unsaid things" heuristic.
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23:39 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << regarding alf's suggestion here, is there any objection to adding this log link to ticket: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6
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23:39 a111 Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' :
23:42 mircea_popescu might not want to anchor prototype / example implementations too deeply too soon ; but that has ntohing to do with linking.
23:44 mod6 *nod* sounds good.
23:45 mod6 re: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#1 << this one seems to be resolved with the use of -lows. I hesitate to remove the ticket, but a link to the patch might be worthwhile here.
23:49 mod6 !%a trb C "Move the deps folder" "Move trb deps directory which contains frozen artifacts outside of the bitcoin project directory. This will avoid unwanted removal of artifacts upon a `make clean`."
23:54 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski ben_vulpes and other vehicular inclined lords, do you have any thoughts on 2-wheeled transporters?
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