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00:00 mats if only there was another cs calculator on the market
00:00 asciilifeform mats: afaik there never was, before or since.
00:00 mats pencil it in for s.nsa project #88
00:00 asciilifeform there were (and are) abominations where ops like the ones on 16c ~could be~ accessed ten menu keystrokes in
00:00 mats for good luck
00:01 asciilifeform mats: don't expect that it would cost any less than those vintage 16c if i were to make it.
00:01 mats kickstarter it is
00:01 asciilifeform the place where they separate idiots from their money ?
00:02 asciilifeform iirc there was even a calculator-themed one, at some point.
00:04 asciilifeform http://www.swissmicros.com << found a vendor claiming to sell a clone
00:04 assbot SwissMicros.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS4nRb )
00:04 asciilifeform mats et al ^
00:05 mats I dun see any good android imitations of this concept
00:05 asciilifeform they made them microscoping, for some reason
00:05 asciilifeform *microscopic
00:05 asciilifeform mats: these appear to be actual calculators, not emulated
00:05 mats guess I'll pencil it in at the bottom of my programming projects
00:05 asciilifeform or wai wat
00:05 asciilifeform were they ?!!
00:06 asciilifeform l0k i'm a chump.
00:06 asciilifeform fake.
00:06 asciilifeform retardedly fake
00:06 asciilifeform they are stickers for pNohe.
00:06 phf i'm actually confused by that site
00:07 asciilifeform or are they?!
00:07 * asciilifeform also confused
00:08 phf nah, at $200 price <body style="margin: 0px"><img style="-webkit-user-select:none; display:block; margin:auto;" src="http://www.swissmicros.com/photos_nov2012/DM-41_pouch+back_large.png"></body>
00:08 asciilifeform ok it appears that they are physical calcs
00:08 phf copy paste fail
00:08 asciilifeform but with removable stick-on keypads to imitate various hp machines.
00:09 asciilifeform http://www.retrothing.com/2014/11/dm-swiss-made-calculators.html << review.
00:09 assbot Retro Thing: Boutique Swiss Made Calculators ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS4Liv )
00:09 mats >t its heart, this calculator is an emulator of the HP-15C (running on an ARM processor, although a different family from what HP is using in the ARM-based current-production 12C and the 15C Limited Edition), and therefore has largely the same feature set and user interface as a real 15C.
00:09 asciilifeform but i fucking hate chiclet keyboards.
00:09 mats a different review
00:10 asciilifeform hilarious, how 'swiss' now means laughable knockoff crud
00:10 wilbns funkenstein_: maybe m-pesa could utilize the tech for more efficient settlement of transactions. if someone just wants to send money to grandma or someone else in the next town, though, it's a bit of a hassle to suggest bitcoin. unless one party already has it, then they can sent it to bitpesa and they'll deliver it to the m-pesa number. if neither party has
00:10 wilbns it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller.
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00:10 asciilifeform 'has largely the same feature set and user interface as a real 15C' << ahahahahahaha no.
00:10 asciilifeform i suppose word 'same' now means 'we say it is the same, and you, cattle, will eat it up because fuck you'
00:11 funkenstein_ wilbns, the point is - m-pesa guys can issue as many as they want. it's private and counterfeitable
00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73840 @ 0.00072079 = 53.2231 BTC [+] {3}
00:13 wilbns funkenstein_: yes, but most people on the street don't care as long as their money is worth the same today as it is yesterday and they can still go buy a relative equivalent of whatever with it tomorrow.
00:13 wilbns as it was yesterday*
00:14 funkenstein_ wilbns, if so, this applies as well in switzerland
00:16 trinque the point here isn't to package bitcoin into some easily inserted suppository for everyone
00:16 trinque to the extent that they comprehend what it does, great, use it
00:17 funkenstein_ aye
00:17 asciilifeform mats: http://kd7dvd.us/other/edc/mamabear-16c.jpg << right hand side: the real thing. left hand side: the piece of shit
00:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS5z6Z )
00:17 asciilifeform mats: this may not be obvious from the picture, but the buttons on the actual 16c are legit separate pieces of plastic, with clickers
00:18 asciilifeform on the clone, they are printed on.
00:18 asciilifeform it is not hard to see why this is so.
00:18 asciilifeform it was made, almost certainly, by 'some guy' and injection molding co$$$$$$ts.
00:19 mats lol 18th ID challenge coin for scale
00:19 asciilifeform and 'nobody can tell the difference, right ??!!'
00:20 phf "guys, guys, there's this guy in dc who's going to be real upset"
00:20 asciilifeform l0l
00:20 trinque !b 4
00:20 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3F9XZW0.txt )
00:20 trinque ^ kakobrekla will fix :p
00:20 asciilifeform actually the comments on one of the earlier links were 'it works but i wish it had keyboard'
00:20 mats s/regiment/ID
00:21 mats I think I'll get one, never considered how useful it would be until now
00:21 asciilifeform mats: the legend i was told re: 'challenge coins' is that they were issued in lieu of the 'last bullet' that americans used to slam on barroom stools in vietnam
00:22 asciilifeform one-upsmanshiping one another by carrying larger and larger rounds, up to antiaircraft cannon shells,
00:22 asciilifeform which would sometimes go off from being slammed and take off a whole hand..
00:22 mats I have heard this, didn't believe it
00:23 asciilifeform not so believable, but beautiful story.
00:23 asciilifeform hard to imagine a more precious possession than 'the last bullet'
00:23 mats I've thrown away every coin I ever got.
00:26 mats only memorabilia I have left are my sapper skill books, MREs, a single uniform set, and a buncha kia bracelets
00:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00070778 = 44.8025 BTC [-]
00:30 asciilifeform mats: kia bracelet is something like a set of 'dog tags' ?
00:31 mats http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/3/hungary-prime-minister-says-muslims-not-welcome-amid-refugee-crisis.html
00:31 assbot Hungary Prime Minister Says Muslims Not Welcome | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS70T0 )
00:31 mats asciilifeform: memorial bracelet, yes
00:32 asciilifeform memorial?
00:32 asciilifeform i thought it was to have your own name on it.
00:32 asciilifeform to be picked up by burial detail
00:33 mats they're different items
00:34 mats but yes that is what tags are for
00:34 asciilifeform everyone knows what tags are for. but bracelet is something else ?
00:35 asciilifeform made with dead friend's name ?
00:35 mats some RC dudes would slip one into a boot and wear the other around their necks
00:35 mats yes
00:35 asciilifeform ah.
00:35 phf "Adjusting your approach trajectory in the event of catastrophic landing processor failure. p. 23 HP-16c manual"
00:36 mats one in the boot in case ied rendered corpse visually unidentifiable l0l
00:40 trinque cheaper than body armor?
00:40 trinque I guess that doesn't help much with a good IED
00:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00072268 = 22.9812 BTC [+] {4}
00:43 mats not in the slightest
00:45 mats good ied doesn't kill, anyway, just maims a few dudes
00:47 wilbns mats, you're military?
00:47 mats more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact
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00:48 mats formerly
00:51 wilbns was in new york a while back and at the airport, there were maybe a couple dozen guys, they all look like they just graduated high school. all w/ manila folders in hand, waiting, heading off to boot camp - all making small talk w/ one another. looked like they didn't know each other very well. was imaging how there lives were going to change and wondering if
00:51 wilbns it would be overall positive or negative
00:52 mats spoiler: peacetime mil blows
00:53 wilbns their*
00:57 trinque mats: the concussion is pretty bad too right?
00:57 trinque want to say I watched a docu about that
00:57 trinque lemme rephrase "pretty bad", the concussion is a big part of the internal damage
00:58 mats yes, overpressure fucks you up
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01:15 pete_dushenski back from watching 'dumb and dumber'
01:15 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28743
01:15 assbot What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFRR0y )
01:19 pete_dushenski and with that, time for sleep
01:20 pete_dushenski ad libitum :P
01:21 mats http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/09/03/nearly-1-million-veterans-have-pending-applications-for-health-care-at-the-va-and-a-third-may-already-be-dead/
01:21 assbot Nearly 1 million veterans have pending applications for health care at VA — and a third may already be dead - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFStDt )
01:27 thestringpuller cazalla BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0PJHP1N.txt
01:28 mats https://www.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/3hgwtz/xpost_rsyriancivilwar_atgms_in_syria_five_months notbad
01:28 assbot [X-post /r/syriancivilwar] ATGMs in Syria: Five Months of Missile Strikes Saps Syrian Military Strength : CredibleDefense ... ( http://bit.ly/1hFToDG )
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01:45 deedbot- [Qntra] XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack - http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/
01:46 BingoBoingo ^ thestringpuller
01:48 phf asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs?
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02:21 cazalla soz thestringpuller, looks to be that BingoBoingo got to it first
02:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00072155 = 13.2765 BTC [-]
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02:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00072332 = 24.0142 BTC [+] {3}
02:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78600 @ 0.00072399 = 56.9056 BTC [+] {5}
03:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147950 @ 0.00072502 = 107.2667 BTC [+] {4}
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03:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00072155 = 20.3477 BTC [-]
03:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00072155 = 14.3588 BTC [-]
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04:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2508 @ 0.00072629 = 1.8215 BTC [+] {2}
04:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75242 @ 0.00072896 = 54.8484 BTC [+] {3}
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05:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00072966 = 25.3922 BTC [+] {2}
05:13 deedbot- [Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Continues Growth Streak - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-continues-growth-streak/
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05:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00072604 = 29.4046 BTC [-]
05:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37102 @ 0.00072481 = 26.8919 BTC [-]
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05:53 mircea_popescu "While I agree that not everyone is bad, I'll suggest that the number of bad people involved in bitcoin so far exceeds the number of bad people in other organizations that the whole system isn't working. I'm starting to consider whether people were wrong about the "decentralization" issue. Is it possible that decentralization was tried, and it is being proven right now that it simply doesn't work because the system bec
05:53 mircea_popescu omes centralized with evil people?"
05:53 mircea_popescu this is so fucking cute.
05:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262399 << "passing aml/kyc" for dealing with money is like passing the astrology test to go to the hospital. yes some unfortunate souls stuck in retarded, abusive communities do that.
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05:58 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 04:10:21; wilbns: it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller.
06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.0007295 = 35.6726 BTC [+] {3}
06:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262457 << he gets it. i guess from experience. http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/
06:01 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 04:47:52; mats: more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact
06:01 assbot Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAwmEP )
06:03 mircea_popescu the way modern warfare works, you don't want planes and regular soldiers. you want missiles and partisans. and you don't aim to kill the enemy, you aim to maim as many as possible and encourage them to keep coming. the situation where US population is up 200mn and US war invalid population is up 50mn is a greater win for isis than the situation where the us population is 0.
06:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00072267 = 19.1508 BTC [-]
06:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262479 << not afair.
06:09 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs?
06:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90876 @ 0.00072154 = 65.5707 BTC [-] {3}
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06:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3259 @ 0.0007177 = 2.339 BTC [-]
07:00 jurov http://themindunleashed.org/2015/09/cocaine-production-plummets-after-dea-kicked-out-of-bolivia.html
07:00 assbot Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZywoe )
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07:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67023 @ 0.00072501 = 48.5923 BTC [+] {4}
07:13 mircea_popescu to everyone's surprise, usg is the main driver of all things the usg "fights against".
07:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00072741 = 2.5823 BTC [+]
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08:00 deedbot- [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-august-2015-statement/
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08:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 46025 @ 0.00002248 = 1.0346 BTC [-] {2}
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09:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48981 @ 0.0007195 = 35.2418 BTC [-] {2}
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09:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54059 @ 0.00071975 = 38.909 BTC [+]
09:33 * asciilifeform writes broadcast
09:34 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262479 << why would you want to ?
09:34 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs?
09:39 shinohai I thought mc switched you to a terminal and asked for pass when you input sudo commands.
09:41 asciilifeform mc runs ~in~ a terminal
09:41 asciilifeform where you could have su'd prior
09:42 asciilifeform ergo i see absolutely no reason for it to have a built-in su
09:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/#comment-51035
09:42 assbot XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JH0sKb )
09:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97618 @ 0.00071575 = 69.8701 BTC [-] {5}
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10:20 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail
10:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:31 * asciilifeform had an interesting dream as he slept. dreamt that he had occasion, for some reason, to call the cops. they came, and instead of registering whatever complaint (something involving cars) began to fill up his house, room by room, until seemingly no more could fit, but continued to pack, pack, until walls began to crack under the sheer pressure of meat
10:32 * asciilifeform had a tremendous house in this dream, with many spiral staircases, etc
10:35 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262509 << ahahahahaha. they aren't 'kicked out' until 1) they haven't the option of returning, while 2) pharma-grade cocaine is sold for five cents on every street corner in santa cruz, and for export by the million tonnes
10:35 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 11:00:14; assbot: Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZywoe )
10:40 asciilifeform usg is a planetary infestation, 'kicked out' is really a feeble and temporary thing.
10:42 asciilifeform usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm)
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11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24828 @ 0.00072412 = 17.9785 BTC [+]
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11:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00072495 = 56.8361 BTC [+] {3}
11:43 phf su/sudo vfs would be handy for copying files between users without having to adjust permissions or escalate to superuser. one pane is user foo, other pane is user bar. doesn't matter if foo's pane is in 700 folder, and if you were to copy, file will be created as belonging to user bar, with his umask applied
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12:23 funkenstein_ ;;google that's what happens when you call the cops
12:23 gribble Call the Cops - Rob Hustle ft. Bump - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlY9C6pzxKc>; Anarchast Ep. 148 Rob Hustle: This is What Happens When You ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNWOpxTADg>; This is what happens when you call the cops! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOL8p61xuwM>
12:29 funkenstein_ nice article thanks jurov. "I'll take Regulatory Capture for 400 millies, Alex"
12:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol i wouldn't be too worried about it.
12:34 mircea_popescu there's no university free hitman service
12:42 mircea_popescu hearn being around makes me not even miss armandi or taaki all that much.
12:42 mircea_popescu bitcoin gotta have a total lolcow at all times lest it collapses into itself.
12:54 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
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13:09 ascii_field http://bost.ocks.org/mike/hive << interesting (requires graphical www browser)
13:09 assbot Hive Plots ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJMmW )
13:10 ascii_field (source: https://github.com/mbostock/d3/wiki/Gallery )
13:10 assbot Gallery · mbostock/d3 Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJQmB )
13:11 ascii_field http://www.brightpointinc.com/interactive/political_influence/index.html?source=d3js << 'wot'
13:11 assbot Political Influence Data Visualization D3.js ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnJX1z )
13:12 ascii_field http://www.koalastothemax.com << toy.
13:12 assbot Koalas to the Max dot Com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7MQK8 )
13:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00072532 = 26.5467 BTC [+] {3}
13:14 ascii_field http://www.findtheconversation.com/concept-map << yet another 'wot'
13:14 assbot Concept map ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7N3gp )
13:16 ascii_field lastly, http://www.whodotheyserve.com << lizardz!
13:16 assbot WhoDoTheyServe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7Nes9 )
13:23 BingoBoingo ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/xt-node-blacklists-fail-to-prevent-ddos-attack/#comment-51115
13:23 assbot XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7O0oW )
13:26 ben_vulpes why do we never discuss java?
13:26 BingoBoingo Because Hearn discusses Java
13:27 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:27 ascii_field ben_vulpes: discuss, discuss
13:27 jurov some ppl are allergic to it
13:28 ben_vulpes so java has an asym library, does that shell out to gpg as well?
13:28 ascii_field ben_vulpes: i don't know and don't care
13:28 ascii_field i will not keep java on my systems.
13:28 ascii_field and nobody can make me.
13:29 ben_vulpes great, but why?
13:29 ben_vulpes and who's making you keep python and perl on your systems?
13:29 ascii_field because the entire ecosystem of it is a kind of zoo for idiots and their idiocies
13:29 ascii_field make cobol look good
13:29 ascii_field much less perl
13:30 funkenstein_ ben_vulpes, which java, which library?
13:31 trinque I personally know I'll never have a clear picture of what the VM and the machine underneath are doing *while* writing a program
13:31 trinque thing's huge
13:32 ben_vulpes "fits in head" is a realistic goal with python, perl and cpp?
13:32 funkenstein_ see "bedrock"
13:32 trinque ben_vulpes: nah but they're smaller
13:32 ben_vulpes (or ruby...)
13:33 trinque cpp maybe not so much smaller
13:33 BingoBoingo C can fit in head
13:33 trinque ben_vulpes: and yes this whole thing runs into pragmatism vs pure science, no?
13:33 funkenstein_ http://50noticias.com/2015/08/ahh-yaaa-roban-banco-en-la-castellana-y-se-llevan-solo-impresoras/ <-- nice story on a couple of levels
13:33 assbot ¡AHH YAAA! Roban banco en La Castellana y se llevan solo impresoras - 50noticias.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7PeRc )
13:33 trinque ben_vulpes: python's probably riddled with holes everywhere somebody wrote a shoddy python c module
13:34 funkenstein_ I always considered java to be like "C++ for dummies"
13:34 trinque I'd expect Java is also fucked along that border, among other places
13:34 ascii_field i will neither write nor read java. not even for money.
13:34 ascii_field (strictly for weaponized exploitation - might)
13:34 trinque the "native method interface" thing
13:35 * ben_vulpes wonders what it must be like to feel so strongly about programming languages
13:35 ascii_field actually it is less about languages and more about the people who used them.
13:36 ben_vulpes "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines"
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13:36 funkenstein_ the language is the lexicon
13:37 ascii_field the language, in this case, is not just a language but an ecosystem with unavoidable exposure to the work of many previous users
13:38 trinque yeah I do get really scared when say leiningen pulls down five hundred java modules of questionable origin, when I've worked in Clojure in the past
13:38 trinque dependency hell like when you install gnome, and get dildoctl shoved up your ass
13:38 trinque there are probably many packages you could all but guarantee are in the vast majority of java projects
13:39 ascii_field the real question is why should i even consider the matter. because i can't really see why i should not also consider flossing my teeth with barbed wire, if considering java.
13:39 ascii_field they seem like equally meritorious ideas.
13:40 ben_vulpes > dildoctl
13:40 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262596 >> more like 'keep that caked dog shit with plutonium shavings off my machines'
13:40 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 17:36:10; ben_vulpes: "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines"
13:40 ben_vulpes how is python not barbed wire?
13:41 ascii_field python is just plain piano wire
13:41 ben_vulpes enough with the floppy metaphors!
13:41 ascii_field ben_vulpes: let's get to the matter, if you would like to rewrite 'v' in sed and awk, go ahead. i was not equal to the task.
13:42 ascii_field they are cleaner, more well-defined items than python, yes.
13:42 ben_vulpes the 'dsl' so produced by their use is not in any sense legible, however.
13:42 ascii_field aha.
13:42 trinque bash olympics, which somehow reminds me of the BME olympics
13:43 ben_vulpes two 'clean', 'well-defined' items whose use produces code that is illegible.
13:43 ascii_field when i did it, at any rate.
13:43 trinque python's fine; guy needs some tests is all
13:44 ascii_field perhaps ben_vulpes can make it legible.
13:44 trinque and then you could use the tests to rewrite later
13:44 trinque ben_vulpes: I recommended testing!
13:44 ascii_field trinque: no, ben_vulpes has a point, python sux
13:44 ascii_field trinque: but i was unable to find a suitable replacement for this item.
13:44 trinque I am painfully aware of teh suck of python
13:45 trinque two options I see are ball o' bash or CL
13:45 ascii_field perl was the only serious candidate, and if ben_vulpes would like to attempt a cleaner version (!) in it, i'm all ears.
13:45 * funkenstein_ admits java was mother tongue, still finds himself translating in head from other languages
13:45 ascii_field as for cl, a unix tool with multi-second startup times is not usable here.
13:45 trinque yeah true
13:45 trinque was thinking re: the DSL comment
13:45 trinque I think python is a fair choice given the circumstances
13:46 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-04-2015#1110883
13:46 assbot Logged on 25-04-2015 22:06:38; asciilifeform: to paraphrase mircea_popescu article, if christ saves in java - let me go straight to hell.
13:47 ben_vulpes ascii_field: any changes i'd make would produce higher linecounts.
13:47 ascii_field ben_vulpes: this is fine if you're adding a useful knob
13:47 ascii_field e.g., file histories
13:47 * ben_vulpes is not convinced that brevity is the be all and end all.
13:48 ascii_field (display changes to particular file)
13:48 ascii_field ben_vulpes: there are two kinds of brevity
13:48 ascii_field one is perl-brevity, a false god
13:48 ascii_field where one measures nonwhitespace characters strictly
13:48 ascii_field the other kind is conceptual mass
13:48 ascii_field which ~is~ the one true objective.
13:48 ascii_field after correctness.
13:49 trinque nothing particularly pisses me off about v.py
13:49 trinque looks like it's formatted like a guy who likes CL might
13:50 ascii_field speaking of, one useful knob would be sexpr output.
13:50 trinque I don't use classes in python if I can avoid it, nor many other parts of the language
13:50 ascii_field another would be graphviz output.
13:51 deedbot- [Qntra] Many Network Appliances Leak Master TLS Private Keys Through "Forward Secrecy" - http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through-forward-secrecy/
13:51 ascii_field ^ this one is actually necessary and if no one else does it, i will. but can't promise ~when~.
13:52 trinque I could hack on that this weekend
13:53 trinque and maybe do some general tidying
13:53 trinque or if ben_vulpes wants to, sounds fine too
13:53 ascii_field ideally, each 'bubble' would be clickable and contain links to download patch and all signatures
13:54 ascii_field (this would be hosted on a wwwtronic thing similar to turdatron, presumably)
13:57 ascii_field 'Cavium has issued a patch and noti-
13:57 ascii_field fied all customers (CVE-2015-5738) that
13:57 ascii_field are using older SDK 2.x Cavium Cryptographic
13:57 ascii_field Software under Linux on older
13:57 ascii_field OCTEON II CN6xxx Hardware with details
13:57 ascii_field of the vulnerability. OCTEON II
13:57 ascii_field running Simple Exec (SE-S) applications
13:57 ascii_field and OCTEON III CN7xxx processors are
13:57 ascii_field not affected.'
13:57 ascii_field l0l
13:58 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:58 ascii_field Run Moar Closed Crypto Turdz
13:59 ascii_field Use Moar American Standardz
14:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.0007257 = 31.06 BTC [+] {3}
14:02 ascii_field 'We observed one rather peculiar factorization of a RSA modulus, involving factor 23. What happened was that the public key in the X.509 certificate was corrupted in some (there was a bit flip, according to the server operator), and equation (1) accidentally revealed the factor 23. The corrupted modulus had other small factors, too, and a large composite factor with an unknown factorization.'
14:02 ascii_field ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l
14:04 ascii_field 'Some servers occasionally or consistently produce ServerKeyExchange messages which contain RSA signatures which are zero. Encoding of the number zero varied. In some cases, zero or one bytes were transmitted. Sometimes the length of the signature matched the size of the RSA modulus. The latter suggests that the server implementation may have omitted the copy of the computed signature. This could happen if RSA-CRT
14:04 ascii_field hardening detects a faulty signature, does not write the result to a caller-provided buffer, returns an error.'
14:04 ascii_field ^ k0000sm1k rayzz !!
14:13 thestringpuller Maybe there is hope yet:
14:13 thestringpuller Bitcoin is good for storing wealth in a deflationary, censorship resistant way. It is not very good for mainstream retail usage (yet).
14:13 thestringpuller Yes, Bitcoin will go up in value just by people holding it. That's how commodities work. I don't see anyone "using" gold.
14:13 thestringpuller i consider myself part of the internet mob
14:13 thestringpuller I could tell as soon as I read the nonsense you post about Blockstream
14:15 mats bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it'
14:29 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48936 @ 0.00072438 = 35.4483 BTC [-]
14:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65681 @ 0.0007238 = 47.5399 BTC [-] {5}
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15:33 mats http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/pwn2own-loses-hp-as-its-sponsor-amid-new-cyberweapon-restrictions
15:33 assbot Pwn2Own loses HP as its sponsor amid new cyberweapon restrictions | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9RH9i )
15:34 shinohai O.o wow
15:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21239 @ 0.00072372 = 15.3711 BTC [-]
15:43 mats http://strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20150904.aspx
15:43 assbot Warplanes: ISIL Adopts Chinese UAVs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrhxij )
15:44 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:44 ascii_field mats: toy store hardware
15:44 mats its all toy store hardware, man
15:44 ascii_field mats: not that it can't fly a frag. sop in donbass.
15:46 mats my boss was a master instructor for the raven, 'military-grade UAS'
15:46 mats piece of shit would fall out of the sky a quarter to third of the time it was flown
15:46 ascii_field mats: what was nominally 'military' about it, other than the cost ?
15:48 mats what qualifies as 'military'? i don't believe the army operates any uas with arms
15:49 ascii_field i do not know
15:49 ascii_field but mats did say 'military-grade'
15:51 jurov in quotes
15:51 ascii_field one example of 'military' feature would be, say, guidance via laser (or something else the opponent can't jam with $5 of components)
15:51 mats interesting features, i guess, might include repeaters, a gimbaled payload (expensive camera and sensors)
15:52 ascii_field or perhaps a little cup in which to stuff a frag with the spoon out
15:52 ascii_field and a solenoid to squeeze it back out on command
15:52 ascii_field *with the pin out
15:53 ascii_field or, hell, clamps for a 'claymore'
15:53 ascii_field use imagination.
15:54 mats as far as i know the army only operates drones to surveill and recon
15:55 mats afaik usn/usaf programs are the ones that kill people via rc
16:01 mats http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/09/aqim-highlights-attack-on-un-troops-in-mali.php
16:01 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
16:05 mats http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1270
16:05 assbot A Hard Look at Hard Power: Assessing the Defense Capabilities of Key U.S. Allies and Security Partners ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xrlpjp )
16:05 mats doesnt look good for nato
16:07 mats european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft
16:11 mats from the foreword: 'In short, at a time when the United States needs the most help, the prospects for receiving it, with the exception of a few allies, look more worrisome than at any point since perhaps the immediate aftermath of World War II.' - COL (Ret.) Lovelace
16:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22578 @ 0.00072741 = 16.4235 BTC [+]
16:19 BingoBoingo http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet
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16:19 assbot Another Neurodegenerative Disease Linked To Prion Mechanism | September 7, 2015 Issue - Vol. 93 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUrNb )
16:21 BingoBoingo Also http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/09/03/ap_520239149091_wide-228d7d439dae264b8a80e01f4457b50d9b00cdaa-s1100-c15.jpg << Stingray
16:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHUybt )
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16:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00072741 = 13.7844 BTC [+]
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17:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00072746 = 19.2049 BTC [+] {3}
17:26 mats ;;isup log.-a.link
17:26 gribble log.-a.link is down
17:26 mats ;;isup log.b-a.link
17:26 gribble log.b-a.link is up
17:26 mats ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
17:26 gribble log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
17:28 mats ;;isup coinbr.com
17:28 gribble coinbr.com is up
17:29 shinohai \o/ now if i only had btc to trade with the mermaids!
17:31 mircea_popescu hey, anyone wanna do a sepa paymenbt for me ? coupla k's.
17:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83789 @ 0.00072334 = 60.6079 BTC [-] {2}
17:34 mats coinbr doesn't look up from over here
17:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10061 @ 0.00072266 = 7.2707 BTC [-] {2}
17:36 mircea_popescu hm logs really laggy for some reason
17:36 shinohai same here mats coinbr not loading
17:37 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/bundles/rhrsa.txt holy shiot
17:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2UvtY )
17:37 mircea_popescu dude...
17:39 kakobrekla hm works here
17:39 mircea_popescu ;;later tell bingoboingo i must point out qntra is in fact satisfying its job as a news site. I get news thgere.
17:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:40 shinohai heh I get "under maintenance" page on my direct ip, and endless load from vpn
17:40 trinque endless load over here re: coinbr
17:41 shinohai T_T
17:41 mircea_popescu curl: (52) Empty reply from server
17:41 mircea_popescu * Closing connection #0
17:41 mircea_popescu ^ logs
17:42 shinohai !s Andrew Miller scam
17:42 assbot 10 results for 'Andrew Miller scam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Andrew+Miller+scam
17:43 shinohai d'oh
17:44 kakobrekla logz http://dpaste.com/397P3PT.txt
17:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Vpqu )
17:44 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike using ripple. you'r
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17:44 mircea_popescu e a ridiculously quaint figure stuck on the long sunk battleships of the past.
17:45 mircea_popescu sorta like being an uk citizen. seriously, in 2015 ? why not be a hittite while you're doing anachronisms.
17:45 shinohai https://www.umiacs.umd.edu/about-us/news/mc2-doctoral-student-spreads-his-wealth-bitcoin-knowledge <<< signed up for your coursera course, watched 5 lectures and felt dumber than when I went in.
17:45 assbot MC2 Doctoral Student Spreads His Wealth of Bitcoin Knowledge | UMIACS ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2VwCe )
17:45 mircea_popescu sure, one can pretend that "well, it's a country." if one wants to. but for foreigners, no, it isn't. it was an empire and now it's nothing. not even a hole.
17:46 mircea_popescu why don
17:46 mircea_popescu t we use ecc ? or pki ? they're "perfectly functional solutions" that "other people" have "come to expect" blablabla.
17:46 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> and nobody can make me. << gotta love republican thought!
17:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44284 @ 0.00072755 = 32.2188 BTC [+] {2}
17:50 mircea_popescu !up ascii_modem
17:50 ascii_modem log dead?
17:50 mircea_popescu apparently. is a paste by kako above, i have my own copy too
17:51 ascii_modem above lol
17:51 mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/397P3PT.txt
17:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Vpqu )
17:51 ascii_modem ty
17:51 mircea_popescu mp
17:52 mircea_popescu and here's mine. http://dpaste.com/28MEH3A
17:52 assbot dpaste: 28MEH3A ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Wlez )
17:52 kakobrekla this works ? https://archive.is/XoLUq
17:52 assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Wnmw )
17:53 mircea_popescu "El periodista Daniel Colina informó por medio de su cuenta en la red social Twitter informó que el Banco de Venezuela ubicada en La Castellana fue robado el pasado 10 de agosto en horas de la noche, los maleantes solo se llevaron las impresoras y televisores del lugar."
17:53 mircea_popescu win lmao
17:53 mircea_popescu (robbed bank in venezuela, thieves took printers and tvs)
17:53 trinque log loaded over here
17:54 mircea_popescu loaded here too.
17:54 mircea_popescu them rays are strong today, better do less global warming for bitcoin mining!
17:54 ascii_modem and here.
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75400 @ 0.00072266 = 54.4886 BTC [-]
17:55 trinque my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc
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17:55 trinque left all my books!
17:55 trinque that gave me quite a lol
17:55 ascii_modem they took their sweet time, installing that splice...
17:56 mircea_popescu ascii_modem kinda why the venezuela bank story is so lulzy. look at this picture worth 1k words : http://50noticias.com/portal/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Banco_de_Venezuela_Punto_Fijo_0011.jpg
17:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2WI8P )
17:56 ascii_modem dead link
17:56 mircea_popescu this is how a bank looks in the united states of america now. and in the future.
17:56 mircea_popescu "Sin impresora para trámites agencia del Banco de Venezuela La Castellana tras robo ocurrido hace 8 días."
17:57 mircea_popescu takes 8+ days to replace stolen printers in venezuela, takes 8+ minutes to do a splicing in us.net, etc.
17:57 mircea_popescu ascii_modem for the maybe related tinfoilhat category : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-09-04.log.html#t21:22:17
17:57 assbot #Eulora log for Friday, 2015-09-04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2WTAU )
17:58 mircea_popescu eulora was also unreachable across teh atlantic apparently.
17:58 mircea_popescu <funkenstein_> the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case.
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18:00 mircea_popescu i never ever spoke any russian, with anyone, pre b-a, because no, russian is not "the vocabulary", but principally the set of historical russians. between tolstoy and hruschev not so much to pick.
18:01 ascii_modem sorta what i tried to explain to ben_vulpes
18:01 mircea_popescu and i suspect pretty strongly that the interest in romanian such as it is is because ~I~ speak it, here as well as in my harem and anywhere else genuine interest exists for this particular item in the "crappy language pack".
18:01 mircea_popescu not because it rhymes and aliterates well.
18:01 mircea_popescu in short, without "acest articol are avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi", romanian doesn't even aliterate. at all.
18:01 shinohai trinque: if you are like me, stealing a man's guitar is akin to stealing his woman
18:01 ascii_modem 'ru i will learn only because... it was spoke by lenin'
18:02 trinque shinohai: the acoustic had sentimental value, dad bought it for me.
18:02 trinque but whatever, enjoy crackheads
18:02 trinque wtf are they going to do with a storage server anyway
18:02 shinohai Porque la guitarra me toqua, no al reves
18:02 trinque pawn for 50 bucks?
18:03 mircea_popescu 50 bucks is by now a few day's meth
18:03 ascii_modem usually they steal first, ask questions later
18:04 mircea_popescu "hey, what's that big ipad thing ?" "i dunno man, some older version. worth some scratch fo sho"
18:04 trinque yeah, clearly had a truck/van, smashed back window, grabbed all
18:04 trinque hope the 4u fell on someone, fucker was heavy
18:05 trinque on the plus side, less to unpack later; I wasn't going to bring furniture anyway, so these were mostly toys stolen
18:05 ascii_modem trinque: page the thermite squib!
18:05 shinohai trinque: got serial #'s on that ?
18:05 trinque ahaha, well if they plug anything in... I have my ways
18:05 mircea_popescu ascii_modem if they break into his car and thereby lose a hand in the explosion he's going to jail.
18:05 trinque nothing explosive unfortunately
18:05 trinque mircea_popescu: sad state of affairs
18:06 mircea_popescu one of the most fucktarded things the brits gifted the world.
18:06 trinque be reasonable!
18:06 trinque reasonable's you smash a man's car and that's the end of you
18:06 trinque place in town fixed same day in two hours; I was impressed
18:06 mircea_popescu (but in the original context it made a lot of sense. you really don't want to lose an arm because you innocently wandered into what you thought was a shop. because the patrimonial dispute thereby ensuing can be fixed, but the arm can not be reattached.)
18:07 ascii_modem innocent my arse.
18:07 mircea_popescu at the time this was a lot more likely than today.
18:07 mircea_popescu owing to a population 1/20 as large, kept in check by a deeply patriarchical society.
18:07 ascii_modem usg empowers scum as deliberate policy.
18:07 trinque bum wanders into my lawn; he doesn't necessarily deserve to be shot
18:07 trinque stealing half my posessions seems it oughta come with a price though
18:07 mircea_popescu yes, it does, but this should not corrupt our understanding of history, politics, or legal matters.
18:08 ascii_modem 'wanders' through door and into arse
18:09 mircea_popescu ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms.
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18:09 trinque eh can't just come out blasting; say the guy's looking for his dumb toddler that wandered onto your porch
18:09 trinque mircea_popescu: lol
18:10 mircea_popescu (this event actually happened. splendid ass, /me grabs it, woman turns unamused and asks me what i'm doing, i retort that i'm innocently grabbing your ass, she says don't do that and i say alright.)
18:10 mircea_popescu postcards from a saner world.
18:10 trinque !b 5
18:10 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1K4GMB3.txt )
18:11 mircea_popescu and yes, much like the "don't thermite" thing, this worked fine in a world 1/50 as small and very deeply patriarchical.
18:11 mircea_popescu but in the us of today this is not feasible, for the same reason email spam is a thing
18:12 mircea_popescu poor girl'd have holes through her butt, finger shaped, and collapse out of sheer exhaust of turning and saying "doin't do that" fifty million times.
18:12 ascii_modem note the difference b/w thermiting a stolen box remotely, and minefield
18:12 mircea_popescu ok, different story.
18:13 mircea_popescu as a kid, /me fambly had a neighbour. one day mom's cooking and i'm computing in other room. door was unlocked (most of my life i lived in a world where locks were not really useful). neighbour blasts in, goes past mom, into room, has a wrench, approaches heating element decidedly
18:13 ascii_modem in usa - both jail. but there is a difference.
18:13 mircea_popescu then he turns to me and goes "what the fuck have you done to it ?!?!"
18:13 trinque shinohai: yeah I have pictures of the relevant stickers with all that, but don't give a siht
18:13 mircea_popescu and im lioke what and he's like it's fixed and then is like "oooooh"
18:13 trinque server was 125 or w/e
18:13 mircea_popescu had gone one flight too many in his anger.
18:13 trinque guitar is long gone
18:14 trinque all can be replaced
18:15 mircea_popescu trinque coupla hundred are certainly cheaper than shooting some derp.
18:15 shinohai I'm quite sad for you trinque because a similar situation occurred to me. Losing an instrument to someone that loves music as I do is akin to losing a limb.
18:15 trinque eh I don't cry over that shit
18:15 trinque just commenting on the scum about
18:15 trinque mircea_popescu: indeed
18:15 mircea_popescu shinohai i think unlike most music lovers, he knows he stinks.
18:16 shinohai xD
18:16 trinque yeah I'm total shit on the guitar
18:16 trinque hehe
18:16 shinohai I am too
18:16 trinque just chords and having fun, is all it was for
18:17 mircea_popescu nothing about womenz and panties in there whatsoever. i'm sure.
18:17 trinque nah never
18:17 mircea_popescu o nm, you did say "fun"
18:17 trinque heh, indeed
18:17 shinohai Music is the ambrosia of the soul and all that. When one is drunk, one rarely cares if it is fine wine or swag.
18:18 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l << omfg that is FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
18:25 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262837 <<< neither would I have a pollon
18:25 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 22:09:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms.
18:28 mircea_popescu <mats> bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it' << the first point is true in the objective. it is however "relatively deflationary" in the sense that to the rocket, all things seem to be sinking ; 2 is an obscure point of the future but seems likely correct ; 3. is outright false. willingness to hold === value
18:28 mircea_popescu . end of story.
18:29 mircea_popescu jurov sent an email to the ml ~5 mins ago, i don't see it on http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/thread.html any idea why ?
18:29 assbot The BTC-dev September 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1O30G12 )
18:33 mircea_popescu <mats> european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft << nato is basically european-wide greece for military issues. specifically this : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-09-2015#1259766
18:33 assbot Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry
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18:33 mircea_popescu !up anono
18:34 * mircea_popescu falls into an alf-style rage over the ml thing.
18:34 mircea_popescu the friability of this thing, whereby i did something, i didn't observe the expected result, and don't know what to do is driving me fucking bonkers.
18:35 trinque I'm still waiting on being able to switch out of "digest" mode
18:38 mircea_popescu to doubleckeck here : email to the address, had a plaintext as 1st attachment and detached sig as 2nd attachment/
18:38 mircea_popescu amirite ?
18:44 trinque and signed message body?
18:57 mircea_popescu no body. wasn't body optional ?
19:01 mircea_popescu !up xinxiwang
19:01 xinxiwang thanks
19:01 xinxiwang the market is calm.
19:01 mircea_popescu aha. who're you ?
19:01 xinxiwang do you still remember coinut.com?
19:02 trinque mircea_popescu: could be; not sure
19:03 xinxiwang did the authentication process change?
19:03 mircea_popescu !s coinut
19:03 assbot 4 results for 'coinut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coinut
19:03 mircea_popescu the logs remember.
19:05 xinxiwang nice
19:07 mircea_popescu trinque hm it might have been the armored detached sig o.O
19:08 xinxiwang it seems more quiet than before.
19:09 mircea_popescu ok, for the record : sent it with no body, and with a clearsigned body ; the latter with .asc armored signature and with .sig binary signature. still nothing there.
19:09 trinque huh, maybe the ML's just busted
19:09 mircea_popescu the "with clearsigned body and .sig signature" version is exact replica of the single email i successfully sent to date, back in the days of the V patch.
19:09 trinque as far as I recall that's right
19:09 trinque hm, yeah
19:12 * mircea_popescu gives up
19:12 mircea_popescu we need something to do this.
19:13 mircea_popescu i estimate currently this sort of thing is 99% why we don't get more work submitted.
19:16 trinque maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ?
19:17 trinque or do you mean replacing mailman with another mail thing that works better
19:17 mircea_popescu i have nfi. all i know atm is this does not in fact work as is
19:18 * mircea_popescu thinks about it
19:18 trinque myup
19:18 * trinque departs for now
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19:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60615 @ 0.0007283 = 44.1459 BTC [+] {2}
19:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30935 @ 0.00073164 = 22.6333 BTC [+]
19:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31467 @ 0.00073181 = 23.0279 BTC [+] {3}
19:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo
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19:54 asciilifeform body can also consist of attachment, in the form: 1st attach: body.txt (clearsigned text)
19:55 asciilifeform in fact, if i do it any other way, it dies
19:55 asciilifeform because SOME FUCKTARDATION MUTILATES THE ASCII
19:55 asciilifeform <trinque> maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one.
19:57 asciilifeform about half done, at this moment.
19:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and it dun work with binary signature for anything.
19:59 asciilifeform gotta use armoured.
19:59 cazalla #3 or #4 design change for dat bitcoin phoundation https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
20:00 assbot Bitcoin Foundation | Supporting Education, Adoption and Development in Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxRDFd )
20:00 cazalla they never seem to forget the inclusion of token african kid with mobile
20:00 kakobrekla >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work!
20:00 kakobrekla on that very page.
20:00 kakobrekla so get ready for #5
20:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000145.html << good example of how to use turdatron. click on the links to see each of the three attachments verbatim.
20:01 assbot [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxROR0 )
20:01 kakobrekla like buttstamp "we just got hacked, we dont know where hour heads are so we refreshed our webpage while you wait."
20:03 asciilifeform ftr i happen to think that the turdatron is an abomination, but presently i have no idea what could be used instead. in fact, iirc i was the one to suggest the current scheme.
20:04 asciilifeform one possible variant would be to permit l1 folks to deedbot arbitrary detached signatures, and then accept via mail any document that matches the signature (one per, or we get dosed)
20:18 pete_dushenski http://40.media.tumblr.com/4a958e207098bb86c56aaaf72fd32d49/tumblr_msoz7xsp541qzi1ujo1_500.jpg << ava gardner. at 13 (!!!) years of age
20:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxTgmv )
20:20 pete_dushenski http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.674381 << lulzy example of israeli tech leading the way
20:20 assbot Amid Migrant Crisis, Europeans Interested in Israeli Border Barriers - World - Haaretz ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxTnOQ )
20:33 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/#comment-28797
20:33 assbot What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxUCO5 )
20:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha thanks. gonna try redoing this for the 7th or so time
20:42 mircea_popescu gonna cc you too.
20:44 mircea_popescu clearsigned, armored body ; attachment 1, text. attachment 1 detached signature, armored in ; nothing whatsoever out. god damned it...
20:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00072967 = 10.0694 BTC [-]
20:45 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ?
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20:46 pete_dushenski "Deniss Calovskis, 30, pleaded guilty in federal court in Manhattan to conspiring to commit computer intrusion, admitting that he had been hired to write some of the computer code that made the so-called Gozi virus so effective."
20:47 pete_dushenski "Under a plea agreement, Calovskis, who has been in U.S. custody since his extradition, agreed not to appeal any sentence of two years in prison or less." << bizarro condition for a plea bargain
20:47 mircea_popescu notrly ?
20:47 pete_dushenski so why not sentence him to 2 years minus a day ?
20:47 mircea_popescu about as unenforceable in a sane justice system as "employee agrees not to sue employer for any reason" employment contracts in california, but hey.
20:50 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1262950 <<< Likely the same ppl that bitch about mpex having that 90's coded website when it works perfectly fine *for what it was designed to do*
20:50 assbot Logged on 05-09-2015 00:45:55; mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ?
20:51 pete_dushenski which, incidentally, ties into mp's observation about smartphones being 'tvs in everyone's arse'
20:51 pete_dushenski web 2.0 (non-3d) is broken for usability, but functional for fucking around
20:52 pete_dushenski as supported by today's discovery that it's damn-near impossible to find out what 'technologies' and 'features' a pampers diaper has : http://www.pampers.com/en-us
20:53 assbot Diapers, Baby Care, and Parenting Information at Pampers.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxWt5p )
20:53 pete_dushenski their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s'
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20:53 pete_dushenski moms*
20:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35211 @ 0.00072967 = 25.6924 BTC [-]
20:54 pete_dushenski why learn anything or do anything when you can just dick around until the cows come home ?
20:55 shinohai Truth.
20:55 pete_dushenski of course, behind the scenes, is proctor and gamble, which is to say, that senile old limp-dick from omaha
20:56 pete_dushenski 'just giving the people what they want'
20:56 shinohai People don't know "what they want"
20:56 pete_dushenski the united states of television : a channel for every star on the flag
20:56 shinohai times eleventeen
20:56 pete_dushenski shinohai: they want to 'feel heard'
20:57 pete_dushenski so that's exactly what they get
20:57 shinohai Glad others find the meaning of life with such simplicity.
20:57 pete_dushenski they're not actually heard, of course, no functional system could handle that much noise, but they are lent a convincing simulacrum of importance
20:58 pete_dushenski shinohai: remember, these 'others' aren't people in the sense that we are
20:58 shinohai I find it rther liberating to know I don't matter and no one gives a shit what I say.
20:59 pete_dushenski do you desire to matter ?
21:00 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1262962 <<< i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online
21:00 assbot Logged on 05-09-2015 00:53:44; pete_dushenski: their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s'
21:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00073425 = 22.5415 BTC [+]
21:01 pete_dushenski cazalla: pretty offensive eh ?
21:02 cazalla well, not really, gave me the idea to do.. daddy blogging lol
21:03 pete_dushenski https://stronglang.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/new-voice-transcription-feature-in-google-docs-censors-some-swearwords/ << the future of voice recognition software. "oh, we don't need keyboards, we just need next-gen ai so we can mommy blog while we're changing diapers."
21:03 assbot New voice transcription feature in Google Docs censors (some!) swearwords – Strong Language ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxXudT )
21:03 pete_dushenski glhf.
21:04 shinohai Nearly everyone *wants* to matter in some way, pete_dushenski. I'm not sure I want to matter in the preconceived notions that American culture *wants* you to matter in.
21:04 pete_dushenski cazalla: i'd read it
21:05 shinohai I was told I didn't need my physical keyboard either, only a touchscreen. yeah.
21:05 pete_dushenski shinohai: leaving aside 'normal american' notions, how do ~you~ want to matter ? if you don't mind the inquiry
21:05 cazalla pete_dushenski, they're a dime a dozen so i never pursued it further than regging a domain name
21:05 cazalla in other news, should be a bumper crop of broad beans in 6-8 weeks http://i.imgur.com/cWCLM61.jpg
21:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTe7Sg )
21:06 pete_dushenski cazalla: terrible logic and you know it. there's dozens of 'tech/poli/bitcoin newz sites'. none are qntra.
21:06 cazalla pete_dushenski, ok, i'm lazy :)
21:06 cazalla or busy!
21:06 pete_dushenski better !
21:06 pete_dushenski :)
21:06 shinohai I don't mind the inquiry, sometimes I think perhaps I am too uneducated to even know the answer to that lol/
21:07 pete_dushenski cazalla: solid lookin' plants btw
21:07 cazalla pete_dushenski, can't say the same for the brussel sprouts, aphids made a meal of them all
21:08 pete_dushenski shinohai: well no one's born knowing these things, but there are worse places to learn about the world and yourself than b-a
21:08 pete_dushenski like, everywhere else :P
21:09 shinohai That's why I'm here, so at least I may glean some knowledge in my lifetime.
21:11 trinque asciilifeform | <trinque> maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one. << cool!
21:11 trinque asciilifeform: deeding detached sigs seems a decent feature in any case
21:16 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262799 <-- Aha, thank you. Apparently I had no clue what "lexicon" actually means.
21:16 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 21:58:42; mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case.
21:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i got it, but ml didn't...
21:17 asciilifeform sig verifies..
21:17 asciilifeform or not!
21:17 asciilifeform neither sig verifies.
21:18 asciilifeform $ gpg --verify florianweimer.txt.asc
21:18 asciilifeform gpg: Signature made Fri Sep 4 18:26:16 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 2FB7B452
21:18 asciilifeform gpg: BAD signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>"
21:18 asciilifeform $ gpg --verify florianweimer-general.asc
21:18 asciilifeform gpg: Signature made Fri Sep 4 19:06:50 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 2FB7B452
21:18 asciilifeform gpg: BAD signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>"
21:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and i think he was talking about an ssl turd, rather than anything from phuctor ?
21:20 asciilifeform my observation was that he neglected to mention what was meant by 'accidental factors of a corrupted public key', and the most prominent prior art.
21:22 pete_dushenski the craftiest spam commenters i've yet seen are all pointing to this guy : http://handyortenmein.com/
21:22 assbot Handy Orten - Genaue Handyortung von Leuten ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxZnan )
21:22 pete_dushenski strange.
21:23 pete_dushenski all comments use different proper names (no xxxtina), different ip addresses, different url-shorteners (!), but all use same gmail addy
21:24 pete_dushenski and the comments themselves are exceedingly close to being relevant and don't contain a single outbound link
21:24 pete_dushenski i'm actually kinda impressed.
21:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00072769 = 3.0861 BTC [-] {2}
21:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83009 @ 0.00072221 = 59.9499 BTC [-] {4}
21:43 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262718 <-- I just see more evidence Pythagoras was right
21:43 assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 20:19:44; BingoBoingo: http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i35/Another-Neurodegenerative-Disease-Linked-Prion.html << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet
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22:06 ben_vulpes trinque: i'll bang on it with you
22:06 ben_vulpes craft a patch
22:06 asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2015/09/nnsa-iranian-target.htm << lulzy
22:06 assbot NNSA an Iranian Target? ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPZX0Q )
22:06 ben_vulpes saturday?
22:06 trinque ben_vulpes: sounds great
22:06 ben_vulpes groovy. am?
22:09 trinque ben_vulpes: nah had a rough week; sleeping in
22:09 trinque see logs re: stolen property
22:11 ben_vulpes boo, okay. ring me when you're up.
22:11 trinque k
22:19 mircea_popescu ah what the fuck.
22:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FHAYQK so i suppose the ATTACHEMENTS get mangled now ?
22:24 assbot dpaste: 1FHAYQK ... ( http://bit.ly/1in1WQw )
22:25 punkman mircea_popescu: what mail client did you use btw?
22:26 mircea_popescu <cazalla> i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online << this ironically is the first, and to date the most ample use of language. stupid women spreading their stupid whatever it is while pregnant and nursing.
22:27 mircea_popescu and, much like insane notions of agency as defined legally ("guy spreading his legs is DOING something ; gal eating herself into a bus size is not specifically doing anything"), the quantitative approach favours female dumb.
22:27 mircea_popescu "oh, my blog got 5989546 comments"
22:27 mircea_popescu "yeah, from 10k idiots just like you"
22:28 mircea_popescu squirrelmail
22:28 mircea_popescu punkman ^
22:29 punkman squirrelmail ate the last newline in one of my files
22:30 mircea_popescu yup, the verify fails if i download the attachments
22:30 mircea_popescu but works on the files as they are.
22:30 punkman or maybe something wrapped a line wider than 80 chars
22:30 mircea_popescu at this point, i find myself persuaded that email is the wrong thing, knuth was right, it should have died long ago.
22:31 mircea_popescu punkman these are attachments. should go through untouched in ANY manner.
22:33 punkman html form would have worked so much better for turdatron
22:33 asciilifeform punkman: i am making this.
22:33 asciilifeform punkman: because i, too, grew tired.
22:33 punkman cool
22:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and make it take armored encrypted msgs only ?
22:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that'd mean having keys on the serv end
22:34 mircea_popescu so ?
22:34 asciilifeform something i like to avoid if it can be avoided.
22:34 trinque asciilifeform: jurov gave me a script to sync a gpg keychain with assbot's list
22:34 punkman why encrypt
22:34 trinque could snag it for you
22:35 * asciilifeform does not regard boxes he doesn't personally keep behind a locked door with cameras etc. as cryptoworthy
22:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform more for message integrity than anything
22:36 asciilifeform can armour plaintext, y'know
22:36 mircea_popescu sure.
22:36 asciilifeform aka uuencode.
22:37 asciilifeform i was just gonna have the thing eat tars.
22:37 asciilifeform (no gz, it is an attack vector)
22:37 asciilifeform inside tar, payload & sigs as before.
22:38 mircea_popescu in today's lulz : it turns out that bitcoin-qt interface, if presented with a malformed value such as 1,275 btc instead of the 1.275 notation,
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22:39 mircea_popescu will choose to interpret it as... 1275.
22:39 asciilifeform glorious
22:39 mircea_popescu this is in my mind the new high point of "bitcoin core" power ranger retardation
22:39 asciilifeform but this is correct american notation.
22:39 mircea_popescu not the fact they kept the wallets around unencrypted for 4 years.
22:39 asciilifeform actual knob in qt!
22:40 mircea_popescu gee, i guess all this preoccupation with kids in africa must be pretty fucking novel. they didn't give a shit about africa throughout.
22:40 mircea_popescu idiots.
22:40 asciilifeform (american traditional floating point is the comma, e.g., a thousand and one nights, 1,001)
22:40 mircea_popescu so ?
22:41 asciilifeform so 1,275 is 1275 in the land of mordor.
22:41 mircea_popescu residents of northern tenochtitlan need to get over the idea that the "united states of america" matters
22:41 asciilifeform whereas pi is 3.14159...
22:41 asciilifeform (in the south, 3!!)
22:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all sv gasbags use the same 'clip art' with starving africans holding iPnohes - i could've toldya that
22:43 mircea_popescu buncha ignorant racist twerps
22:43 * mircea_popescu is disgusted
22:43 trinque http://dpaste.com/2BSFFV8 << note will happily delete your whole keychain of pubkeys assbot dun like
22:43 assbot dpaste: 2BSFFV8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJ88lq )
22:44 trinque script courtesy of jurov
22:44 * asciilifeform wonders how many folks verified that the key on file is actually the one they expect
22:44 asciilifeform rather than a cosmic-rayed superset
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00072154 = 23.883 BTC [-] {3}
22:46 mircea_popescu on what file ?
22:47 trinque in my case a deedbot- user would notice the rejected: 1 and complain to me
22:47 asciilifeform wot
22:47 trinque so not that worried
22:47 asciilifeform trinque: understand, if it includes your actual subkeys, it can go unnoticed
22:47 asciilifeform (for some purposes anyway)
22:49 trinque most damage it could do is fart out 0.0002 per hour til I wake up :P
22:49 trinque but yeah could happen I guess
22:50 trinque asciilifeform: however, much more relevant to bitcoind dev
22:51 mircea_popescu yep, just tested this. squirrelmail mangles sent attachments. for crying out loud.
22:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i vagualy recall an old thread where someone identified a misconfiguration which leads to this.
22:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have squirrelmail on my end, and it does not mangle attachments.
22:52 mircea_popescu i have no fucking idea what this is, diff fails over ity
22:52 mircea_popescu (returns entire identical file as "changed")
22:52 asciilifeform (even 'gmail' ferfuxxsake doesn't!)
22:52 punkman I didn't find anything in squirrelmail configuration
22:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hexdump -C foo1 > foo1.hex; hexdump -C foo2 > foo2.hex; diff foo1.hex foo2.hex
22:53 punkman entire file as changed must be newlines
22:54 trinque kinda hilarious how everything in OSS starts breaking the moment you have hard requirements
22:55 mircea_popescu this is incredible. . becomes ..
22:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actual . ?
22:55 mircea_popescu 0a becomes 0d 0a
22:55 mircea_popescu motherfucker.
22:55 pete_dushenski did xerox make squirrelmail ?
22:56 trinque haaa
22:56 mircea_popescu who the fuck told you .txt is ok to fuck up omfg
22:56 mircea_popescu JESUS CHRIST.
22:56 asciilifeform now mircea_popescu gets to froth like i did, lol
22:56 mircea_popescu the who the fuck line is caps and me holding shift at the same time. consider it double screaming.
22:56 mircea_popescu it's not even jurov's fault in any sense
22:56 asciilifeform control-alt-shift-meta-hyper-modelock aha
22:56 mircea_popescu COMPUTING SUCKS
22:57 * pete_dushenski can hear the sweet sounds of keyboards being smashed in a furious rage all the way from arg.
22:57 mircea_popescu and i hold florian w in no small part responsible.
22:57 mircea_popescu to answer your earlier obsevation : i want to be friends with thios schmuck like i want to be friends with dea agent.
22:57 mircea_popescu he wants to be tolerated, better brownnose like his life depends on it.
22:57 mircea_popescu fairness is for peers not for the canaille.
22:58 asciilifeform the one thing that i don't get is why mr schmuck is blowing a usgtron open
22:58 asciilifeform (presumably to distract from the ones still whole ?)
22:58 mircea_popescu you know what "burn" is righty ?
22:59 asciilifeform aha
22:59 mircea_popescu once "the terorrists" get them, they're to be publicised.
22:59 asciilifeform where i'm from we call it, approx., 'flushing'
22:59 asciilifeform but same idea.
23:03 mircea_popescu $ gpg --verify florianweimer.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie.asc florianweimer.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie
23:03 mircea_popescu gpg: Signature made Fri 04 Sep 2015 11:22:04 PM ART using RSA key ID 2FB7B452
23:03 mircea_popescu gpg: Good signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori
23:03 mircea_popescu and it STILL won't make it to ml.
23:04 mircea_popescu but at least now it doesn't change /n to /r/n anymore
23:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what of the message body ?
23:04 mircea_popescu it's an asc
23:04 asciilifeform it, too, was mutilated earlier.
23:04 mircea_popescu oh was it !? .asc ?!
23:04 asciilifeform aha.
23:04 * mircea_popescu no loinger has the energy.
23:04 mircea_popescu i will not be using the mailing list system in the future.
23:05 mircea_popescu three hours was my total budged interacting with it for this entire year.
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23:05 punkman (maybe wrong order, first attachment must be clearsigned)
23:05 mircea_popescu FIRST ?!
23:05 mircea_popescu ah, yes, it is.
23:05 mircea_popescu anyway, fuck it.
23:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was all the more frustrating to me because 1) i suggested it 2) couldn't think of any genuine improvement
23:09 mircea_popescu fucking detached sigs.
23:09 mircea_popescu that's where the night came in. when i allowed the use of detached sigs.
23:10 mircea_popescu never a fucking gain.
23:10 mircea_popescu clearsign documents - one file. encrypted documents - one file. that's it.
23:10 asciilifeform how the fuck is more than one person supposed to sign something without detached sigs ?
23:10 mircea_popescu under no circumstances may one item be two files and fuck everything.
23:10 asciilifeform and how the fuck is a sig to be attached to a binary ?
23:10 mircea_popescu god im pissed off
23:10 asciilifeform it isn't one item !
23:10 asciilifeform it is two.
23:10 asciilifeform sig. and payload.
23:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and now HOW THE FUCK IS THE PAYLOAD A THING
23:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00073333 = 22.6966 BTC [+] {3}
23:11 asciilifeform it is the thing that was signed.
23:11 mircea_popescu that's why it's one thing. so they protect each other.
23:11 mircea_popescu "the thing that was signed" can not stand on iuts own.
23:11 mircea_popescu this idea is broken.
23:11 asciilifeform no, but the signature - can.
23:11 mircea_popescu at this point in life & time when i am stuck sending an item purporting to be "a payload" on its own, i've already lost.
23:12 asciilifeform trivially, it is impossible to have a thing like what i am making now, where the sig is not uploaded first
23:12 asciilifeform because otherwise, enemy can upload a petabyte of garbage, and the sig is not seen until later
23:12 asciilifeform (the later never comes, we have ran out of universe)
23:12 mircea_popescu and then any reandom schmuck comes around and herp derp, s/x/y/ because hey, i read it in a coimputing cookbook once
23:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'v' elementarily cannot work with 1) gpg 2) non-detached sigs.
23:13 asciilifeform that's pretty much it.
23:13 asciilifeform can't have 1+2.
23:14 mircea_popescu so what do i do ?
23:14 mircea_popescu you tell me, what the fuck am i supposed to do. i got this thing here, i want it to be so and so. what now.
23:14 asciilifeform two variants 1) wait till i'm done writing the wwwtronic upload box thing (could be tomorrow night, i'm spending the morning pulling cable)
23:14 mircea_popescu since this was part of an email, my choices are fix it now or forget about it.
23:15 mircea_popescu not to disparage your thing, but it doesn't help me.
23:15 mircea_popescu i was detrimentally relying on our already having shit that works.
23:15 asciilifeform hmm
23:15 asciilifeform somebody ~had~ this problem
23:15 * asciilifeform digs in log
23:15 mircea_popescu you.
23:15 mircea_popescu you had this problem, almost ot the letter, and i confess i thought you were being unreasonable.
23:16 mircea_popescu but honestly, if my choice is between this and nuclear winter im picking nuclear winter right now and everyone can just get a free tan.
23:16 asciilifeform can't find it in log, but iirc this was solved by voodooistically adding a guaranteed trailing newline to all ascii.
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00073055 = 7.1594 BTC [-]
23:17 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920339
23:17 assbot Logged on 13-11-2014 22:30:54; jurov: EATS THE TRAILING NEWLINE
23:18 mircea_popescu this is not the trailing.
23:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: btw note that your clearsigned ~and~ detach-signed texts are getting mutilated alike.
23:20 punkman maybe clearsinged got column wrapped?
23:20 asciilifeform prolly because your squirrelmail install treats the attachments as mime/txt or whatnot and decides 'eligible for genitalmutilation!!'
23:21 pete_dushenski damn jooz ruining email now too
23:22 * mircea_popescu tries roundcube
23:22 * mircea_popescu gags at the atrocious "dynamic" page
23:22 * mircea_popescu tries horde
23:23 mircea_popescu not any better.
23:23 asciilifeform ferfuxxsake
23:24 asciilifeform http://www.sherline.com/images/3CUBES11.jpg << roundcube
23:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTlB7M )
23:24 * asciilifeform did not until now know that there was any other roundcube
23:25 mircea_popescu heh
23:25 mircea_popescu anyway. email does not belong in civilised society and that's what it is.
23:25 mircea_popescu i will proceed to phase it out altogether.
23:26 mircea_popescu dpaste and irc and fuck you.
23:26 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901007 << thread where it was me.
23:26 assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 01:26:08; asciilifeform: and folks ask me wtf i mean when i say 'we don't have computers yet'
23:26 asciilifeform about this very same thing.
23:26 asciilifeform and we even http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901034
23:26 assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 01:33:12; mircea_popescu: jurov yeah srsly, maybe only accept base64'd emails ?
23:27 mircea_popescu what i had in mind with the "accept encrypted only" thing
23:27 asciilifeform and instead of mircea_popescu, it was me http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901168 -ing
23:27 assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 02:05:46; asciilifeform: what, i gotta debug 'squirrelmail' now ?
23:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform did you actually find a fix ?
23:27 asciilifeform and even http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901029
23:27 assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 01:32:22; asciilifeform: possibly these will have to travel armoured and rsa'd to turdatron's pubkey
23:27 asciilifeform somehow i fixed my squirrel!
23:27 asciilifeform but how/???
23:27 mircea_popescu pfff
23:27 mircea_popescu i do not wish to use it anymore.
23:28 asciilifeform does mircea_popescu have any idea how long i have wished not to use it !
23:28 mircea_popescu the difference being that the limits to my activit yare my own discretion.
23:28 asciilifeform tbh i was a little surprised that suddenly mircea_popescu was bothering to use turdatron
23:29 mircea_popescu why ?
23:29 asciilifeform too much yoga (in the soviet cartoon 'single nail, start small' sense) in it, for folks not accustomed to this yoga
23:29 mircea_popescu believe it or not i never ran into it before.
23:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how did you do this one http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html ?
23:31 assbot [BTC-dev] bitcoin-src-21may2012.tar.gz ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTm5uD )
23:31 mircea_popescu that one worked!
23:31 mircea_popescu same exact system
23:31 asciilifeform aha
23:31 mircea_popescu copiued everything exactly like i did there
23:31 asciilifeform so what gives.
23:31 mircea_popescu by now i sent 12+ emails trying combos like an idiot
23:31 mircea_popescu da fuck do i know. i'm the user!
23:31 asciilifeform almost wondering if it gets mangled en route.
23:31 asciilifeform email really has lived its proper life ten times.
23:32 punkman if you regularly email signed things, gotta wonder how many arrive mutilated and are never checked
23:32 asciilifeform mix the cement.
23:32 mircea_popescu well no cause i can see the sigs no longer verify/stuff was mangled if download the attachments.
23:32 asciilifeform hmm
23:35 mircea_popescu hory shit
23:36 mircea_popescu mkay. so the important rule being : never use any sane file extension.
23:36 asciilifeform so it ~was~ mime ?
23:36 mircea_popescu go for g58a2 or w/e, 5 character items. no .txt ; no .asc ; no anything
23:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was the fucking extension.
23:36 asciilifeform triggers the mutilatron aha
23:36 asciilifeform otherwise my tar.gz-en would have been mangled
23:37 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000164.html << congrats mircea_popescu
23:37 assbot [BTC-dev] No you didn't "we observed". Please quote your sources. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEkslU )
23:37 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150904/florianweimer_cfc8c951caf6f5369c6421759f0113527f5f5fa0.fuckeveryonewhowaseverinvolvedincomputersyouarethereasonthingsuckihopeyougetcanceranddie << worked also.
23:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEkyKj )
23:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so muchg fopr the ~actual~ intended usecase, where idiot can be emailed with the ml cc'd.
23:38 asciilifeform and best filename ever.
23:40 mircea_popescu stupid fucking shit.
23:41 mircea_popescu the only way to extract function out of the kicking-and-screaming pile of "human cultural & civilisational heritage" is to use things it doesn't know yet. unknown file extensions. unknown protocols. what have you.
23:41 mircea_popescu a sterner indictment of humanity as a species could scarcely be devised.
23:41 mircea_popescu "only good places are where people generally aren't"
23:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is very reminiscent of the pesticide business
23:41 asciilifeform or antibiotic, in particular
23:41 asciilifeform gotta use unexpected weapon.
23:42 asciilifeform or the vermin just get fatter
23:42 asciilifeform the old bugspray, it just gets them roaches high.
23:42 mircea_popescu this is the reason early us was so great : it correctly identified the natives as the scum that they are, by virtue of being people, and massacred them wholesale.
23:42 asciilifeform <mircea_popescu> "only good places are where people generally aren't" << ergo naggum's 'herd hither, me thither'
23:42 mircea_popescu was good for almost a whole century.
23:43 asciilifeform or uncle al's 'war was invented by folks living downstream of herds'
23:43 mircea_popescu fuck love ; genocide now!
23:43 mircea_popescu there, that's my haiku for the day.
23:44 asciilifeform or my 'give thermonukes a chance'
23:51 punkman "Is that a virus? Who cares. Run it. Let the Russian botmaster watch you dress through your webcam. Make sure your underwear matches. Lenovo."
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