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00:07	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
00:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00085825 = 7.2951 BTC [-]
00:16	Vexual	hola dragon
00:16	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
00:17	BingoBoingo	%book
00:17	atcbot	75k@202 10k@200 2k@175 | 175k@142 24k@141 34k@140
00:19	mircea_popescu	Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
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00:19	mircea_popescu	that's a great fucking movie.
00:19	Vexual	;;rate mircea_popescu +d reasonable and intelligent
00:19	gribble	Error: '+d' is not a valid integer.
00:19	mircea_popescu	what's that, shorthand for +derp ?
00:20	Vexual	difficulty
00:20	Vexual	but its interchangable
00:21	Vexual	ill leave it to the gods
00:22	assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3T1R7YC.txt )
00:22	BingoBoingo	!b 8
00:23	Vexual	might just mean desktop, i dunno
00:23	Vexual	what movie is it?
00:23	mircea_popescu	a man for all seasons.
00:24	mircea_popescu	not a very good take-down, in retrospect. scofield says "laid flat" and it serves.
00:28	Vexual	if you think you are a state you prolly are a state, skinner said that
00:29	Vexual	definately was the phrasing on inspection
00:30	mircea_popescu	Naphex: Posts about people paying 28,000$ for mining equipment and still not delivering weeks after deadline. is it just me or thats a hell of a lot money to be pissing people off for << not so lulzy. they're not even the first romanian bunch.
00:30	mircea_popescu	and do you remember the hungarian lolset back in 2012 ?
00:32	mircea_popescu	"...but there is also additional circumstantial evidence that GHash.IO have bad actors:
00:32	mircea_popescu	Not closing registration as their pool is approaching a (visible) 51%
00:32	mircea_popescu	Not charging fees to incentivize more pool diversity"
00:33	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: PrimeAsic?
00:33	mircea_popescu	yeah dude, they should break up their thing for your comfort. god forbid the fucktarded miners all gather on one pool shouls smarten up.
00:33	mircea_popescu	no, the pool must suicide for their sake
00:33	mircea_popescu	there should be a "beat internet people for bitcoin" service.
00:33	mircea_popescu	id prolly spend hundreds.
00:33	Vexual	why would a successful pol ever try to 51%? to get cheap ebay shit?
00:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo, ya
00:34	mircea_popescu	Vexual, to become the butt of every nitwit's conspiracy theories.
00:34	mircea_popescu	and don't tell me anyone has higher goals in life, it's not true.
00:34	Vexual	really where would someone go to do a 51?
00:35	Vexual	it would take incmpetence to cop it
00:35	Vexual	theres a lot of it atround i guess
00:36	mircea_popescu	davout: is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward << as best as it could be discerned it was more probably a shitty excuse by the dice site in question.
00:37	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> Vexual, to become the butt of every nitwit's conspiracy theories. and don't tell me anyone has higher goals in life, it's not true. << This explains a lot, says all of Reddit
00:52	mircea_popescu	!up Vexual
00:52	Vexual	thankyou
00:56	BingoBoingo	%ticker
00:56	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 142 Ask: 175 Last Price: 141 24h-Vol: 220k High: 180 Low: 140 VWAP: 142
01:01	mircea_popescu	!up Poffertje
01:10	BingoBoingo	;;ticker
01:10	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 644.56, Best ask: 646.22, Bid-ask spread: 1.66000, Last trade: 646.22, 24 hour volume: 9040.85959965, 24 hour low: 627.5, 24 hour high: 654.9, 24 hour vwap: 642.035772399
01:21	Vexual	how many drachma to teh bitcoin?
01:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0213697 = 0.4274 BTC [+]
01:30	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/rabite/status/474260974422478848
01:30	assbot	Classy /msftsecurity comic with sexual assault! RT /FivdaAurion: Did IE just make fun of Firefox....AND WATCH DOGS? http://t.co/d41h1rRWpC
01:31	BingoBoingo	;;tslb
01:31	gribble	Time since last block: 4 minutes and 33 seconds
01:31	BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats
01:31	gribble	Current Blocks: 304308 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 107 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 33 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11773061729.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.59924
01:34	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
01:45	BingoBoingo	xmj: I really dunno what the cloud fascination is when these are on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Microsystems-SunFire-V440-Server-4x-1-60GHz-UltraSPARC-III-16gb-PC-2100/310962886850?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23309%26meid%3D7397420274572172178%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D9834%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D291131644728
01:45	assbot	Sun Microsystems Sunfire V440 Server 4X 1 60GHz UltraSPARC III 16GB PC 2100 | eBay
01:46	xmj	BingoBoingo: resilience against hardware failures
01:47	Vexual	buy two
01:47	xmj	Your SAN-stored VM fails on host one, being taken out due to faulty mem bank. it gets automatically migrated to host two, within minutes if not seconds.
01:47	BingoBoingo	Or put this on rails http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Microsystems-Ultra-80-PGX32-Workstation-Server-/171344658162?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item27e4effef2
01:47	assbot	Sun Microsystems Ultra 80 PGX32 Workstation Server | eBay
01:47	xmj	if you achieve that with owning your hardware, you agin have a cloud.
01:47	xmj	(a small one.)
01:49	BingoBoingo	^ Redundancy built in
01:49	Vexual	yeah and you email yourself whenit fucks up
01:51	Vexual	rails
01:52	xmj	case in point: any combination of virtualization and redundancy can be dubbed 'cloud'
01:52	BingoBoingo	xmj: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUN-microsystems-Server-Ultra-Enterprise-6000/360208370775?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23309%26meid%3D7397461428183030825%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9834%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D171344658162&rt=nc
01:52	assbot	Sun Microsystems Server Ultra Enterprise 6000 | eBay
01:52	BingoBoingo	Ebay offers bigger solutions for own your own "cloud" as well
01:52	xmj	you can prefer owning hardware. i can prefer cheapskating.
01:53	xmj	chances are it's due to differences in initial wealth ;-)
01:53	BingoBoingo	(That particlular beast can hold up to 80 cores.
01:53	BingoBoingo	*30 cores
01:53	xmj	which, for startups in the conventional sense, is extremely likely.
01:54	BingoBoingo	Nothing about paying $500 a local pickup requires any measure of "wealth"
01:54	xmj	I understand that.
01:54	xmj	You'll have to agree that it's a bit harder if you do not actually know things have become this cheap.
01:55	xmj	things==medium-range enterprise grade used servers
02:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0720003 = 0.144 BTC [-]
02:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0254999 = 0.153 BTC [+]
02:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0720002 = 0.72 BTC [-]
02:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0720001 = 0.36 BTC [-]
02:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07200006 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}
02:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.072 = 0.216 BTC [-]
02:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0718 = 0.359 BTC [-]
02:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07160005 = 0.716 BTC [-] {2}
02:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07150714 = 0.5005 BTC [-] {2}
02:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0279002 = 0.2511 BTC [-]
02:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0724 = 0.2172 BTC [-]
02:35	decimation	mircea_popescu: I'm glad you enjoyed the movie (a man for all seasons). I think I was the one that last reminded you about it - it's one of my favorites too.
02:35	decimation	It speaks to the rampant antinomianism of this age
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02:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07004 = 0.3502 BTC [-]
02:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00085981 = 21.3233 BTC [+] {2}
02:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.02136999 = 0.8548 BTC [+]
02:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07003 = 0.4902 BTC [-]
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03:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23899957 BTC [-]
03:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00085856 = 21.0776 BTC [-] {2}
03:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.00482068 = 0.1205 BTC [-]
03:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.00482069 = 0.1639 BTC [+] {7}
03:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00085814 = 17.4202 BTC [-] {2}
03:57	davout	morneng
04:05	davout	today is hipster day
04:05	davout	drinking aero-pressed espresso in a mongodb mug
04:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.000858 = 7.0785 BTC [-] {2}
04:05	davout	well, technically not drinking it yet, since the recommended 98°C for perfect coffee brewing is too hot for me
04:08	fluffypony	lol
04:08	fluffypony	such hipster
04:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02136999 = 0.1068 BTC [+]
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04:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00086121 = 4.6505 BTC [+]
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04:47	punkman	hello
04:48	fluffypony	quote from an actual SMS from my wife: " the Germans replied with a list of what we need for our ehefaehigkeitszeugnis"
04:48	punkman	that can't be a word
04:48	fluffypony	that is a word and not her mashing the keyboard
04:48	fluffypony	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehefähigkeitszeugnis_(Deutschland)
04:48	assbot	Ehefhigkeitszeugnis (Deutschland) Wikipedia
04:49	fluffypony	it's some documentation we need to register our marriage in Germany
04:49	punkman	do you get germanycoins if you do?
04:50	fluffypony	hah hah
04:50	fluffypony	only when the airdrop happens
04:50	punkman	http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/obesity-research-confirms-long-term-weight-loss-almost-impossible-1.2663585
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04:50	assbot	Obesity research confirms long-term weight loss almost impossible - Health - CBC News
04:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02109514 = 0.1055 BTC [-] {2}
04:56	BingoBoingo	xmj: You see, the difference between people who barrel of the cliff and people who actually think infrastructure is the later knows to investigate how cheap the good stuff has become.
04:57	xmj	BingoBoingo: I know
04:57	xmj	:)
04:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02100009 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2}
04:57	xmj	BingoBoingo: assume you spend two days obtaining the hardware, and another few days until it's all set up
04:57	BingoBoingo	I mean suppose the rare actually valuable idea in itself that could launch a tremendous venture... Do you really want to test the alpha on someone else's iron and risk them poaching it.
04:57	xmj	that's a manweek you do not spend on developing your product!!!!!
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04:58	punkman	oh noes
04:58	BingoBoingo	xmj: One can think while driving a truck
04:58	xmj	BingoBoingo: I had hoped the amount of !! would tip you off on that not being serious.
04:59	BingoBoingo	Well, sometimes a person needs to wonder. I mean who doesn't check the prices on the not so old 30 processor capable machines
05:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086121 = 3.2726 BTC [+]
05:01	BingoBoingo	I mean, tech has advanced enough that the financial cost of doing "Big Iron" as a hobbyist is less than doing HF amateur radio
05:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.02035041 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}
05:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.02035 = 0.9158 BTC [-]
05:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.02035005 = 0.407 BTC [+] {2}
05:12	jurov	actually, despite being a sysadmin with 8 or so year practice and i avoid messing with physical hw whenever i can. so what, kill me.
05:13	jurov	such as, i was never able to come up with complete setup for the first or second time
05:13	jurov	just give me trusted monkey for this
05:16	jurov	Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitung is a word, too :)
05:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.02063024 = 0.5364 BTC [+] {3}
05:28	jurov	and .vermögensberatung is a TLD :D
05:29	punkman	more like the best TLD
05:30	punkman	alas, not approved yet
05:35	punkman	"The network solved only 1079 blocks this week, the lowest since January 27th 2013"
05:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00086121 = 10.9804 BTC [+]
05:43	xmj	jurov: exactly my point
05:43	xmj	hardware isn't my strong point
05:43	xmj	just get me something that's compatible with FreeBSD and i'll build you a nice production environment.
05:48	pankkake	oh that's why you like vms, nothing works with freebsd unless it's ten years old
05:55	dub	hardware isthe domain of dirty system monkeys
06:00	dub	wtf does a 'startup' want with physical plant? owning inrastructure is for corporate behemoth, makes no sense in anything smaller than a 1000 staff
06:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02040463 = 0.2245 BTC [-] {2}
06:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00086326 = 32.7176 BTC [+] {4}
06:13	xmj	dub: a similar statement got me ignored by mirceau..
06:15	jurov	xmj i remember something like you called him names
06:17	xmj	after he did.
06:17	jurov	or at least failed to qualify your statements properly
06:17	xmj	"He started it! He started it!" </kindergarden>
06:24	dub	you learn to let a lot of the expertise offered in here go but startups buying sun shit on ebay is getting pretty retarded
06:30	jurov	in short, garden variety startups need not apply to #b-a
06:31	jurov	when i tried coworking with fellow startups i sticked out there like a sore thumb
06:31	davout	so apparently, and as predicted, mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself
06:31	pankkake	well buying sun servers is the parangon of hipsterism
06:31	pankkake	and would probably require infinite electricity
06:32	pankkake	but they still launched before actually knowing? now that's a real startup
06:32	davout	how does one burn freebsd on a bootable vinyl, that is the question
06:32	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2WD31HF.txt )
06:32	pankkake	!b 1
06:33	jurov	if freebsd works on any machine with magnetophone tape loader, no problem
06:34	davout	"but they still launched before actually knowing? now that's a real startup" << no, pre-orders ftw
06:34	*	jurov imagines arriving into DC with a gramophone to load the OS after power outage
06:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02400081 = 0.24 BTC [-]
06:35	dub	hopefully there is a distinction between #bitcoin-assets startups and moms #basement-attick startups
06:35	xmj	LOL
06:35	xmj	startups.
06:36	xmj	two i'm in the office with renewed server software / switched environment. tonight. both had demos / trade exhibitions scheduled in the morning when they needed stuff to work...
06:36	xmj	of course it didn't work come morning.
06:36	xmj	Naphex: I'm starting to embrace your point of view :p
06:37	pankkake	renewed server software?
06:38	xmj	pankkake: watercooler talk. not quite as rich on the details as you'd expect.
06:38	pankkake	I don't understand what that means at all
06:39	xmj	pankkake: OS, web application, bla, something new.
06:39	pankkake	so they updated the software before the demo, when the old version was working?
06:40	xmj	bingo.
06:40	pankkake	lol, no wonder I didn't get it, it was too absurd :)
06:40	xmj	^5
06:41	jurov	yo, updates are addictive
06:41	jurov	with nasty widthdrawal syndromes
06:41	xmj	case in point, you just do not update things _the night before_ a demo.
06:41	pankkake	emerge -uDvN world ghnnnhr
06:42	xmj	"unsupported"
06:45	Naphex	xmj: not a point of view, reality :P
06:45	Naphex	you're starting to embrace reality
06:45	xmj	Naphex: there's not just one
06:45	Naphex	and maybe removing some brainwash
06:45	Naphex	:))
06:45	xmj	Naphex: please do understand that i have my own issues with venture-capitalist fundings.
06:46	xmj	i'll subtly neg them by asking about their company's economics. "so... are you cashflow positive?" is king.
06:46	davout	Naphex: philosoraptor would wonder how brainwash could wash away
06:49	fluffypony	davout: got a sauce on the Xapo thing?
06:57	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/8uxiRNV.jpg
06:57	davout	fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-bitcoin-debit-card-launch-month/
06:57	assbot	Xapo Bitcoin Debit Card to Launch This Month
06:58	davout	funnily enough, their mockup still has the mastercard logo on it
06:59	fluffypony	ja I meant sauce on MasterCard saying no (besides MasterCard putting Bitcoin on their lobbying form)
07:00	fluffypony	oh it says there
07:00	fluffypony	"this turned out not to be the case"
07:00	davout	"The possibility had been raised that the Xapo card would launch on the MasterCard network, but this turned out not to be the case."
07:00	fluffypony	sorry can't read
07:00	fluffypony	I was hoping for juicy details
07:02	davout	you were there when it was predicted, nothing to be too suprised about :-)
07:03	fluffypony	heh heh
07:03	Naphex	davout: well you can def do the mastercard/visa thing
07:04	Naphex	if you wanna credit the customers
07:04	Naphex	even if its bitcoin
07:04	Naphex	in basics you just keep bitcoin as a guarantee and set a max limit for a month on a customer visa/master
07:04	Naphex	and then enjoy the risks
07:04	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=639056.msg7144554#msg7144554 he even bought mpex stuff!
07:04	assbot	HEDGE FUND BTC
07:05	davout	no, the correct way is to use 3d secure and reject cards that don't get you a proper liability shift even with 3ds
07:05	davout	either way that's not what the convo was about :-)
07:05	Naphex	i wouldn't count 3dsecuire as ireversible
07:05	davout	it is, if you know what you're doing
07:05	Naphex	probably but in the end your only guns will be laywers&politics
07:07	davout	that's true for a lot of things
07:07	Naphex	yeah but it doesn't have to be with btc
07:07	davout	what are you talking about
07:08	davout	also the exact facts about 3ds and liability shift -> http://i.imgur.com/3MkZZ2E.png
07:08	davout	you'll thank me later :-)
07:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.02039527 = 1.0809 BTC [-] {3}
07:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0204125 = 0.1837 BTC [+]
07:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00086409 = 13.4798 BTC [+] {2}
07:24	Naphex	so whats going on
07:26	fluffypony	pankkake: that's a surprising amount of MPEX assets
07:26	pankkake	well he just buys everything
07:27	fluffypony	yeah
07:27	fluffypony	and hopes for a return
07:27	fluffypony	lol
07:28	pankkake	https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/asslyrics/src/1629355dd29c480be17f86fbe349f903173ef855/gottabuythemall.txt?at=master
07:28	assbot	pankkake / asslyrics / source / gottabuythemall.txt — Bitbucket
07:29	mircea_popescu	ahh, nanotube did i eve say just how much i love the gribble log-in scheme ?
07:29	mircea_popescu	it's the best thing that can ever be!
07:29	mircea_popescu	o, what did i miss ?
07:29	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: we came up with a plan for world domination but then promptly forgot it
07:30	mircea_popescu	dun worry, usagi can halp
07:30	fluffypony	hah hah
07:31	pankkake	and now I have pinky and the brain in my head
07:32	mircea_popescu	pankkake, lol. mind dumping that fund's google braindamage on a text dump ?
07:32	davout	C'EST MINUS, C'EST MINUS ET CORTEX, CORTEX, CORTEX, CORTEX, CORTEX
07:32	mircea_popescu	"Buy the lite, buy the pee pee Soon the girls will be on their knees Buy the Quark, or maybe don't! Every day for you they will moan"
07:33	mircea_popescu	these are the most fucktarded lyrics i saw this week.
07:33	pankkake	I'm not sure it all rhymes
07:33	mircea_popescu	translated from french ?
07:33	pankkake	no
07:33	mircea_popescu	o, they ARE in french ?
07:33	pankkake	lol
07:33	davout	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdk8vfKhoug
07:33	assbot	Gnrique Minus et Cortex - YouTube
07:33	pankkake	but I never write then translate, at least
07:34	mircea_popescu	davout, i give up.
07:35	mircea_popescu	what the fuck
07:35	mircea_popescu	"If you don't admit MP is your God, the story of your loss will be told"
07:35	mircea_popescu	i vaguely remember tat doing this a while back. does ba nao have a collaborative lyrics page ?
07:35	pankkake	I tried to write those at the same time
07:36	mircea_popescu	ah
07:37	davout	Naphex: save the 3ds liability shift chart, it's going away in two minutes
07:37	mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c yesterday I checked your page http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ and I saw that mpif was 15 satoshi ahead, and slowly gaining. so i went to sleep AND GAVE IT ALMOST TEN HOURS only to wake up and find that it is now ONLY !$ ahead. I was never told this can go backwards, I was led to expect this goes up WHAT SORT OF A SCAM ARE YOU RUNNNING!
07:37	assbot	F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
07:37	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:38	mircea_popescu	i don't think mike gets nearly enough customer support queries.
07:42	pankkake	I already annoyed him with the bitbet ads
07:42	mircea_popescu	a ok then
07:42	pankkake	in the end I got 0 BTC
07:42	pankkake	it still felt good
07:43	mircea_popescu	werll that's prolly cause your blog sucks :D
07:43	mircea_popescu	where did you put them btw ?
07:43	mircea_popescu	;;later tell decimation: mircea_popescu: I'm glad you enjoyed the movie (a man for all seasons). I think I was the one that last reminded you about it - it's one of my favorites too. << yeah i think so. and what "of this age", it's all ages. that's the beauty of it, the zero delta since forever.
07:43	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:44	mircea_popescu	davout: drinking aero-pressed espresso in a mongodb mug << let me ruin your day for you. coffee in argentina ? comes PRE SWEET$ENED. and i don't even mean the bags. i mean the MOTHERFUCKING BEANS;. they sugar-cook them.
07:46	mircea_popescu	punkman: that can't be a word << i got bad news for you punky. ein ehefähigkeitszeugnis ist eine bescheinigung des deutschen standesamts zur eheschliessung im ausland.
07:46	pankkake	no I posted the asciminer bet on the forum, saying #bitcoin-assets preticted the crash days ago
07:47	mircea_popescu	what days lol, it was on trilema at the onset. for that matter, mpoe-pr did it on the forum
07:47	mircea_popescu	in september or w/e.
07:47	pankkake	yes, posted that one after too
07:47	mircea_popescu	did they froth ?
07:48	pankkake	I think so
07:48	mircea_popescu	life is good.
07:49	mircea_popescu	assbot: Obesity research confirms long-term weight loss almost impossible - Health - CBC News << what sort of bullcrap research is htis ? holocaust deniers ?
07:50	mircea_popescu	xmj: that's a manweek you do not spend on developing your product!!!!! << moar like a boyweek. there IS a difference.
07:50	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MTN78E.txt )
07:50	mircea_popescu	!b 1
07:50	pankkake	link?
07:50	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2014#703511
07:50	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
07:50	pankkake	if you lose weigth through shitty temporary diets that make you hungry all day, sure
07:50	mircea_popescu	o you meant the earlier ?
07:50	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2014#703502
07:50	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
07:51	pankkake	"Our biology taunts us, by making short-term weight loss fairly easy" well duh. it's the stupid way of losing weight
07:52	mircea_popescu	i dunno about it being stupid.
07:52	mircea_popescu	so you get hungry. who asked you ? shut up and fuck you. be hungry, and suffer.
07:52	pankkake	yes, but after that, you're going to resume your bad habits, and gain again
07:52	mircea_popescu	whoever told the current crop of imbeciles that pain avoidance is a legitimate goal of the thinking mind really did a number of them
07:52	mircea_popescu	no wonder they'll swallow any con. after that one, what else is there to really con them about ?
07:52	mircea_popescu	no you are not.
07:53	mircea_popescu	this is why yo usuffer : so it hurts you so badly yuou become a different person.
07:53	mircea_popescu	this is the importance of pain in human life. it changes who you are. substantially, definitively.
07:53	mircea_popescu	!up B51Num1
07:54	pankkake	it does, but I doubt it works for losing weight
07:54	mircea_popescu	why is that ?
07:54	pankkake	just empirical evidence
07:54	mircea_popescu	obviously you doubt. everyone all the time doubts, cause their interest is alligned that way. pain fucking hurts.
07:54	mircea_popescu	put the fatty in a cage, keep her there until she's acceptable weight,
07:54	mircea_popescu	put her back in there if she tips the scale again.
07:54	pankkake	I don't even try to argue about diets with girls anymore. I figure they just like to be hungry for a few weeks and then eat shit again
07:55	mircea_popescu	heh.
07:56	mircea_popescu	jurov: actually, despite being a sysadmin with 8 or so year practice and i avoid messing with physical hw whenever i can. so what, kill me. << i don't think we kill people for their preferences here.
07:56	mircea_popescu	or else a lot of things are quite unexplainable.
07:58	mircea_popescu	pankkake: oh that's why you like vms, nothing works with freebsd unless it's ten years old << lmao zing
07:59	mircea_popescu	dub: you learn to let a lot of the expertise offered in here go but startups buying sun shit on ebay is getting pretty retarded << shut up and oracle!
07:59	xmj	mircea_popescu: what is it with you people not getting jokes.
07:59	xmj	I added five(!) exclamation marks.
08:00	mircea_popescu	davout: so apparently, and as predicted, mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself << the lulzy part is that it hasn't, and i bet you won't, close down for this.
08:02	pankkake	xmj: arguing with mp requires a degree in popescuism, and I'm not sure anyone managed to finish it
08:03	mircea_popescu	da fuck you on about, people argue with me all the time.
08:03	pankkake	try to
08:04	mircea_popescu	a well. yes. all it requires is a degree in not saying really stupid shit. which, granted, is a rara avis these days, kids being pushed so hard to explore the space of possibilities they never learn to hedge their bets.
08:05	dub	a degree of popsecuity
08:05	mircea_popescu	you should see the screaming matches that errupt in my board meetings every while or so.
08:05	mircea_popescu	last time i broke a zaraza bottle.
08:05	fluffypony	dub: popescuity?
08:06	mircea_popescu	tis an old obscure private joek.
08:06	fluffypony	not to be confused with porpoisecuity?
08:06	mircea_popescu	the latter i never heard of , and to be quite frank with you it sounds liek a scam
08:07	dub	fuck is zaraza
08:07	mircea_popescu	dub, romanian cognac. quite good. the bottle is 1 inch thick glass.
08:07	pankkake	a doom metal band
08:08	xmj	pankkake: I did not estimate him being *that* literal.
08:08	fluffypony	http://awsassets.panda.org/img/original/finless2gaobaoyan.jpg <- porpoisecuity
08:08	fluffypony	scammers, the lot of them
08:08	dub	oh, I drank half a bottle of Louis XIII with some friends on the weekend
08:08	xmj	obviously after previous discussions I should have known better.
08:09	mircea_popescu	http://e-murfatlar.ro/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/IMG_0658_0.jpg that's the bottle
08:09	dub	predictably towards the end of an epic whisky binge
08:09	fluffypony	dub: oh I love that, haven't had a good cognac in ages
08:09	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, and you want me to come to SA ?!
08:09	chetty	http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ecb-cuts-interest-rates-2014-06-05?siteid=bnbh
08:09	assbot	ECB cuts interest rates - MarketWatch
08:09	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I mean I haven't opened my bottle and poured some
08:10	mircea_popescu	aok
08:10	fluffypony	been doing the craft beer thing for a while
08:10	mircea_popescu	hahaha chetty what are they now, 1 satoshi percent ?
08:10	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, o speaking of beer, these people have a faux guiness
08:10	chetty	interest rate on its deposit facility to -0.1% from 0%
08:10	mircea_popescu	i mean it's a local brand, and they clearly make it by their own recipe
08:10	mircea_popescu	but it's shockingly close.
08:10	mircea_popescu	chetty, you're kidding me ?!
08:10	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: cheaper too, I gather?
08:10	chetty	nope negative interest is here
08:11	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, i don't recall what it costs, but five bux a liter or somesuch
08:11	dub	check out the louis tres bottle
08:11	mircea_popescu	holy shit this is the end of europe.
08:11	Apocalyptic	oh yeah the BCE summit
08:11	mircea_popescu	no regime in history survived negative real interest.
08:11	dub	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIII_de_R%C3%A9my_Martin
08:11	assbot	Louis XIII de Rmy Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
08:11	Apocalyptic	I almost forgot it's today
08:11	mircea_popescu	dub, no i know, that thing could kill someone
08:12	mircea_popescu	blown glass blowfish
08:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 725 @ 0.00039792 = 0.2885 BTC [-] {4}
08:13	mircea_popescu	so i guess ukip is going to form the government. by itself.
08:13	mircea_popescu	make your peace.
08:15	pankkake	;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --currency eur
08:15	gribble	Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 472.50000001, Best ask: 480.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.50000, Last trade: 480.0, 24 hour volume: 48.5678075, 24 hour low: 472.0, 24 hour high: 480.0, 24 hour vwap: 477.98122721
08:17	mircea_popescu	so i have this first mystery on my hands. on one haqnd, the english language propaganda is screaming about how argentina is a week away from default.
08:17	mircea_popescu	on the other hand, the black market in dollars is stable.
08:17	mircea_popescu	now how the fuck does this work ?
08:18	pankkake	because the us is also a week away from default
08:18	Apocalyptic	for those interested, Mario lulzotron starting in 15 min at http://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/webcast/html/webcast_140605.en.html
08:18	assbot	ECB: Webcasts: ECB monetary policy decisions
08:18	mircea_popescu	pankkake, so what should i look at ? euro is similar, and not nearly as traded.
08:19	mircea_popescu	fucking shockingly beyond belief, they don't trade chinese anything either.
08:19	mircea_popescu	the icbc is quite present here, to the point they do consumer advertising either. yet the argentines don't seem to have created any sort of synthetic debenture based proxy for the chinese currency
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08:21	chetty	argentines are really stuck on dollars, with maybe btc second.
08:22	kakobrekla	usd was there first
08:22	mircea_popescu	pretty much yeah
08:22	xmj	Apocalyptic: good catch
08:23	mircea_popescu	at any rate, im actually considering taking short dollar positions here.
08:23	*	xmj fires up stream
08:23	chetty	but a lot of the trade in argentina is actually with china, they sell lots of soy to china
08:23	xmj	Apocalyptic: they did publish the decision already didn't they?
08:23	Apocalyptic	xmj, don't forget your stock of popcorns
08:23	Apocalyptic	yeah, it's mainly a Q/A session from what I got
08:23	xmj	ECB cuts base interest rate from 0.25pc to 0.15pc and the deposit facility to -0.1pc to spur eurozone recovery and head off deflation
08:23	xmj	they did.
08:23	mircea_popescu	chetty, everyhing, really.
08:24	xmj	hmmm
08:24	xmj	Apocalyptic: I've given up my German residency earlier today
08:25	kakobrekla	this is euro for you today https://charts.mql5.com/4/896/eurusd-m1-worth-ltd-venetfx.png
08:25	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, how is panacea positioned btw ?
08:25	kakobrekla	nothing
08:25	kakobrekla	flat
08:26	mircea_popescu	that can't hurt.
08:26	Apocalyptic	sound call imo
08:26	Apocalyptic	during these annoucements you have to expect liquidity drops
08:26	mircea_popescu	aahaha that whiplash. a full fucking cent.
08:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17564 @ 0.00086414 = 15.1778 BTC [+]
08:27	kakobrekla	yes, you cant play that.
08:27	xmj	i'll have to plunder my EUR bank account soon anyway.
08:27	mircea_popescu	how many billion pips is that again ?
08:27	kakobrekla	well or at least i cant.
08:27	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, i think you might need your own server to play that :D
08:27	xmj	nice chart kakobrekla
08:28	penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/05/does-time-back-bitcoin-or-does-bitcoin-back-time/
08:29	mircea_popescu	i wonder how many boutique fx funds are out of business as of half hour ago lol
08:29	kakobrekla	;;calc 1.36438-1.35573
08:29	gribble	0.00865
08:29	Apocalyptic	xmj, it's starting
08:29	kakobrekla	86.5 pips
08:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.22005845 = 1.1003 BTC [-] {3}
08:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.23974636 = 0.4795 BTC [+]
08:32	kakobrekla	and its dropping moar.
08:32	pankkake	my brother works in the eur/usd options business, I'll ask him :D
08:32	kakobrekla	1.3525
08:33	mircea_popescu	A record high temperature of 52.8 °C (127.0 °F), was recorded at Campo Gallo, Santiago del Estero Province on October 16, 1936.
08:33	mircea_popescu	dat global warming.
08:33	xmj	jeee their m3u stream sucksssss
08:34	mircea_popescu	pankkake, im asking around too. seems a bloodbath, plenty of trend followers bought on the upswing and are well panicked.
08:34	davout	mircea_popescu: "the lulzy part is that it hasn't, and i bet you won't, close down for this." <<< whaddaya mean?
08:34	mircea_popescu	davout, make wallet, put mastercard on demo, get turned down, continue as if you hadn't.
08:34	Apocalyptic	kakobrekla, would be interesting if it hits 1.34
08:35	kakobrekla	na, not today.
08:35	davout	mircea_popescu: that's what i'm saying happened, you're not? your sentence doesn't fully compute
08:36	davout	talk to me like i'm 5, or dotcoin for the matter
08:36	mircea_popescu	davout, lol. i would expect a business in that situation to close, in general.
08:36	Apocalyptic	xmj, I don't believe they have annouced these LTROs earlier
08:37	xmj	Apocalyptic: the stream sucks so i'm not really looking at it.
08:38	xmj	Apocalyptic: it's the old "let's put out the fire by adding more oil" strategy they've been pursuing for the last five years.
08:38	davout	mircea_popescu: "let me ruin your day for you" << what do i care if *your* coffee is ruined :D
08:39	mircea_popescu	i don't actually drink much coffee
08:39	davout	yo, so make it count
08:40	davout	;;rate ecb -0,10 made my day
08:40	gribble	Error: '-0,10' is not a valid integer.
08:40	mircea_popescu	but from what i've observed merely the statement of this heresy gives coffee addicts toothache
08:40	chetty	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpXe4l1IIAAnfB1.jpg
08:40	davout	i stopped getting worked up at that kind of things the day i tried australian sparkling red wine
08:40	fluffypony	chetty: what's that?
08:41	chetty	roasting coffee with sugar is sacrilege
08:41	Apocalyptic	EUR/USD obv
08:41	fluffypony	Apocalyptic: ah missed conversation above
08:42	xmj	EUR/USD is the only currency worth watching, fwiw
08:43	davout	chetty: if you *roast* it with sugar you'd get caramel, prolly added later on
08:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23974603 BTC [-]
08:43	pankkake	sugar is sacrilege
08:43	davout	pankkake: o/
08:43	*	xmj pours HFCS over pankkake
08:44	davout	xmj: technically that's a pair
08:44	pankkake	pancakes are actually against my religion
08:44	Apocalyptic	<BlueMatt> ehhhh...release time? https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt // new bug affecting the bitcoin payment protocol
08:44	kakobrekla	here, so you can make yourself some backgrounds; http://i.imgur.com/HQz3UD3.png
08:44	xmj	err, yes,
08:44	davout	kakobrekla: to -moon !!1
08:44	xmj	davout: i had birthday yesterday. today it's a coworker's. obviously we've been celebrating that.
08:45	davout	xm: well, happy birthday
08:45	mircea_popescu	o wow 1.35 is gonna fall
08:45	xmj	i'm waiting for the DAX to crash
08:46	xmj	should probably revisit my broker and sell a few call options :p
08:46	Apocalyptic	french stocks are rallying
08:46	mircea_popescu	<Apocalyptic> <BlueMatt> ehhhh...release time? https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt // new bug affecting the bitcoin payment protocol <<< it's lucky that all the major players ignored th efuckwits past .6 or so.
08:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18679 @ 0.00086464 = 16.1506 BTC [+] {2}
08:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.23974646 = 2.3975 BTC [+]
08:46	Apocalyptic	yeah
08:46	mircea_popescu	let's see what the derps have to say.
08:47	xmj	Apocalyptic: obviously
08:47	*	davout heads to -dev, grabs popcorn
08:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24 = 1.2 BTC [+]
08:47	xmj	DAX smashed through 10'000 points the first time, like it's nothing.
08:47	mircea_popescu	the silence of the guilty is deafening.
08:48	Apocalyptic	<wumpus> anyhow having to upgrade openssl because of critical vulnerabilities is starting to be a monthly occurence // heh
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.24139995 = 2.414 BTC [+] {3}
08:48	xmj	HAH
08:50	pankkake	0.9.1 makes me lol. nothing changed except version of openssl, which only affects broken platforms with bundled dependencies
08:50	pankkake	but then linux distros didn't update to it, and users wonder why it doesn't have the latest
08:50	xmj	I'm waiting for openbsd to release libressl-portable.
08:50	xmj	can't wait to replace openssh-portable :]
08:51	mircea_popescu	the exact way in which the various distros do the updating is imo the best way to diagnose usg moles in foss.
08:52	mircea_popescu	one of the few points which lends itself to statystical analysys.
08:52	pankkake	what about the debian "let's replace random data by zeros" guy?
08:52	mircea_popescu	i did say statistical.
08:52	xmj	let's buy some options.
08:53	pankkake	arguably this was because openssl was doing very weird things
08:53	mircea_popescu	"The attack can only be performed between a vulnerable client *and* server." followed by "OpenSSL clients are vulnerable in all versions of OpenSSL." for great winj, and then "Servers are only known to be vulnerable in OpenSSL 1.0.1 and 1.0.2-beta1."
08:53	mircea_popescu	someone should tell me this ALSO was accidental.
08:54	mircea_popescu	or to quote myself,
08:54	mircea_popescu	"I didn’t quote or link because I support OpenSSL or their efforts. I do not. For one thing I do not believe they are honest, for the other I do not believe they are competent. In either case I do not believe the project should survive, or has any further utility. All those involved should, in my considered opinion, go home, do something else with their time, and as far as possible erase the shameful involvement wit
08:54	mircea_popescu	h OpenSSL from their resumes."
08:56	kakobrekla	1.355, someone realized usd is worthless too!
08:57	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, govt support will only work so far tho. fiat paper isn't gold, and isn't supressablre as gold
08:58	kakobrekla	myea
08:58	mircea_popescu	anyway, a negative interest rate opens the window for infinite inflation, which countries like italy or greece may actually see, however briefly.
09:00	mircea_popescu	i wonder if we'll see a draghi hour. (named after "earth hour", where people supposedly don't use any energy for a whole hour once a year, the draghi hour is an hour where nobody buys anything whatsoever. it results from inflationary price shocks, supply side inflationary blockage and people being generally poor and justifiably hopeless)
09:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.242 BTC [+]
09:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.24728196 = 0.4946 BTC [+]
09:12	jurov	pankkake: makalu wanted me to help him to list on mpex, i mentioned it earlier
09:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24899999 BTC [+]
09:15	xmj	well.
09:16	xmj	My Broker requires me to accept a notice of abandonment of Bank Secrecy in order to be able to trade US Futures.
09:16	xmj	#NotGonnaHappen
09:17	mircea_popescu	lol how did that go
09:19	xmj	I hadn't logged in in more than a year. Apparently the broker has to comply with a few more KYC laws now.
		~ 16 minutes ~
09:35	Naphex	why isnt update limit/delete limit part of sql standard
09:35	Naphex	so annoying
09:35	fluffypony	http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/03/fbi-busts-russian-hacked-created-zeus-cryptolocker/9919985/
09:35	assbot	Russian hacker engineered dazzling worldwide crime spree
09:36	davout	Naphex: use DELETE WHERE id IN (...)
09:36	Naphex	old news
09:36	Naphex	wonser whar
09:36	Naphex	wonder what took em
09:36	fluffypony	FINE
09:36	fluffypony	https://www.circle.com/2014/05/21/circle-debut-questions/
09:36	assbot	Circle Debut Questions
09:36	fluffypony	less old new
09:36	davout	Naphex: i miss the Oracle REPLACE
09:36	fluffypony	news
09:36	Naphex	davout: yeah but where in is so shitty
09:37	Naphex	fluffypony: zeus was pure poop
09:37	davout	Naphex: on mysql it's retarded, they fixed it with mariadb
09:37	fluffypony	Naphex: but he's ELEET RUSSIAN HAXER
09:37	Naphex	davout: im a psql guy most of rhe time all is well
09:37	davout	phew :D
09:38	davout	i'll need to switch sometime
09:38	Naphex	fluffypony: i mean zeus had crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php
09:38	fluffypony	lol
09:39	Apocalyptic	"zeus had crappy rc4 encryption" // must have been running on Swift too
09:40	Naphex	what says about moderb aecurity when silly russian coders can do so much dmg with such simple tools
09:40	ThickAsThieves	Sup doods
09:43	Naphex	fluffypony: the tools tla's use are much more avanced
09:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07379038 = 2.1399 BTC [+] {5}
09:43	fluffypony	Naphex: no doubt
09:43	Naphex	wonder what they do with that much access
09:44	Naphex	since russians just loot
09:44	Naphex	what do the tlas and its agents do with it?
09:47	jurov	was security listed as one of swift bullet points? i doubt very much
09:47	jurov	even if it was, it des not says anything about actual implementation
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.248875 = 0.9955 BTC [-] {2}
09:52	dub	they keep tabs on formor lovers mostly
09:52	dub	(true story)
09:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00222412 = 0.4448 BTC [+] {8}
09:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.249 = 0.498 BTC [+]
09:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00233137 = 0.1865 BTC [+] {3}
09:55	kakobrekla	also euro back at 1.36, to the --moon
09:55	Apocalyptic	eurmoon is near
09:56	jurov	;;g s.limbs
09:56	gribble	Error: "g" is not a valid command.
09:56	jurov	;;google s.limbs
09:56	gribble	s.limbs - MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.: <http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.LIMBS>; MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.: <http://mpex.co/>; dict.cc | limbs | Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch: <http://www.dict.cc/?s=limbs>
09:56	jurov	muhahahaha
10:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.249 = 0.498 BTC [+]
10:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.249 = 1.743 BTC [+]
10:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.24978761 = 12.4894 BTC [+] {11}
10:14	mircea_popescu	o look it's ThickAsThieves
10:14	mircea_popescu	you settled with da SEC yet ?
10:14	mircea_popescu	i hear going rate is like $500 for minors
10:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [+]
10:15	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, actually afaik they got him in april.
10:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.255 = 1.275 BTC [+]
10:20	ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> you settled with da SEC yet ? --- I have no business with them at this time.
10:20	kakobrekla	its not that. they have a biz with you.
10:21	mircea_popescu	apparently it's cheaper than legal advice, too.
10:21	ThickAsThieves	I have spent more on lawyers than Erik has paid the SEC, yes
10:22	mircea_popescu	<Naphex> fluffypony: i mean zeus had crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php << forced mistake when you're stuck working with random cheapo hosters
10:22	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: how goes the South African cat-sitting plans?
10:22	mircea_popescu	<dub> they keep tabs on formor lovers mostly << muy true.
10:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [+]
10:22	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, ill bet you it's going to 1.3 before 1.4
10:23	mircea_popescu	!up AlexWkz
10:23	kakobrekla	you do know its 1.36 by now
10:23	ThickAsThieves	fluffypony, no updates, a euro trip is also being discussed
10:24	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: we're most likely going to be in Europe in Sept
10:24	fluffypony	so plan accordingly
10:24	kakobrekla	https://charts.mql5.com/4/897/eurusd-m5-worth-ltd-venetfx.png
10:24	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, yes.
10:25	ThickAsThieves	hehe, i'm not sure fitting london and sa into the same trip would work
10:25	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: no no - I mean we can meet up in Europe for lunch
10:25	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves, i thought it's the only way that works.
10:25	mircea_popescu	anyone other than the brits evcen fly to sa anymore ?!
10:25	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: direct flights to NY
10:26	fluffypony	and Frankfurt and Singapore and Oz and a bunch of other places
10:26	mircea_popescu	fine
10:26	mircea_popescu	i got nothing!
10:26	fluffypony	we're not *that* backwards
10:26	fluffypony	:-P
10:26	los_pantalones	come to nyc!
10:26	mircea_popescu	ola red guy.
10:26	fluffypony	los_pantalones: we'll probably do a US trip in July-ish 2016
10:26	ThickAsThieves	surely there's Washington to SA, no?
10:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.27837499 = 4.454 BTC [+] {3}
10:27	los_pantalones	you guys plan travel out 2 years?
10:27	ThickAsThieves	maybe they are ready to retire
10:27	fluffypony	los_pantalones: rough plans yes - can't really afford the time to do more than 2 overseas holidays a year (business trips notwithstanding)
10:28	mircea_popescu	los_pantalones, just about yes
10:28	mircea_popescu	why doi you think conference has a 1 year leadin
10:28	fluffypony	^^
10:28	los_pantalones	well, conference, ok
10:28	los_pantalones	but a quick weekend somewhere? can squeeze that in any time
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28 = 1.12 BTC [+]
10:29	fluffypony	los_pantalones: we never do quick weekends overseas because flight time is always 12+ hours wherever we go
10:29	ThickAsThieves	takes a weekend just to get back and forth to many places
10:29	los_pantalones	i'm like a child and just wandered into a conversation
10:29	los_pantalones	my bad
10:29	mircea_popescu	lol
10:29	ThickAsThieves	well you're at least contrary
10:29	ThickAsThieves	fits right in
10:29	fluffypony	the trip to BA will be a 32-ish hour trip (including a 3hr layover), thank heavens for business class
10:29	los_pantalones	i went to abu dhabi for an afternoon
10:30	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, holy inferno batman.
10:30	ThickAsThieves	been digging into Anathem lately, good stuff, fucking long book.
10:30	los_pantalones	ThickAsThieves that's one of his best
10:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.00253725 = 0.2258 BTC [+] {3}
10:31	ThickAsThieves	i think i will read Antifragile next
10:31	mircea_popescu	lance sackless in abu dhabi for an afternoon : http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Remember+the+buttwalk+.+90s+kids+remember_26009e_4606557.jpg
10:32	ThickAsThieves	so ebay ceo says he owns bitcoins and worded his interview today like paypal/ebay using digital currency is inevitable
10:32	mircea_popescu	which it is.
10:37	ThickAsThieves	pankkake, you have any time for an ATC project?
10:37	ThickAsThieves	small one i think
10:37	mircea_popescu	jurov: muhahahaha << lool goog one
10:38	ThickAsThieves	need an executable of the Altcoin wallet for Windows that auto-finds nodes, so no terminal futzing is needed (also recompiling from current source would remove the coingen.io branding from currently available .exe)
10:39	mircea_popescu	actually i want some people willing to do c to windows compiles too, for eulora
10:39	mircea_popescu	and yes it's a paid thing
10:39	ThickAsThieves	same here
10:40	mircea_popescu	should prolly put it all over github. "BA HIRING WINDOWS COMPILER PERSON"
10:40	ThickAsThieves	we could use Hearns Lighthouse
10:40	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: so you want to put some reliable nodes in the default list?
10:41	ThickAsThieves	yes
10:41	ThickAsThieves	i want it to work
10:41	ThickAsThieves	a reasonable enough desire i think
10:41	fluffypony	agreed
10:41	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves, wouldnt it be better to have a sourc ehardcoded which publishes a txt manifest ?
10:41	ThickAsThieves	i have no idea
10:42	mircea_popescu	like, on start it seeds from tatssplendidlist.com/nodes.txt
10:42	mircea_popescu	then you make sure there's working ips there
10:42	ThickAsThieves	seems odd to rely on my own domain, but i guess it could work
10:42	mircea_popescu	well no but it had a domain no ?
10:43	mircea_popescu	what was it i forget
10:43	ThickAsThieves	how did Bitcoin handle it?
10:43	mircea_popescu	;;google the real altcoin
10:43	gribble	The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.: <http://www.therealaltcoin.org/>; The Real Altcoin (TheRealAltcoin) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin>; [NEW CASINO! SHA256] Altcoin - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0>
10:43	ThickAsThieves	right
10:43	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves, similarly, originally.
10:43	ThickAsThieves	and now?
10:43	mircea_popescu	now it has a discovery mechanism
10:44	mircea_popescu	so does the atc, but the nodes are too sparse for it to workj see
10:44	ThickAsThieves	understoof
10:44	ThickAsThieves	i'll gladly put a txt wherever the programmer suggests
10:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.28833333 = 3.46 BTC [+] {3}
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.29199994 = 2.628 BTC [+] {4}
10:48	davout	ThickAsThieves fluffypony lemme me know about europe plans, I'll meet you for lunch if you guys are in london
10:48	fluffypony	davout: I've got meetings in Paris anyway, so was planning on seeing you and pankkake on that side
10:48	davout	i've never seen pankkake, apparently i smell or something
10:48	davout	:D
10:49	ThickAsThieves	i suspect pankkake hates human interaction
10:49	ThickAsThieves	well, maybe hate is the wrong word
10:49	davout	too soft?
10:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.294 = 1.176 BTC [+]
10:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00273929 = 0.2931 BTC [+] {4}
10:50	davout	ThickAsThieves: you gonna come to paris too at some point ?
10:50	ThickAsThieves	at some point, very likely, just hard to tell when
10:51	ThickAsThieves	the wife can only do such a trip once or twice a year
10:51	davout	let me know before boarding your plane, that'll be more than enough
10:51	ThickAsThieves	but i do like how this has opened up a dynamic of me travelling alone if i feel like it
10:51	davout	"the wife can only do such a trip once or twice a year" <<< too much romance to handle?
10:51	ThickAsThieves	haha
10:51	davout	ThickAsThieves: you got a little leash slack ? :D
10:51	ThickAsThieves	no, she loves work too much
10:52	davout	i forgot what she does
10:53	ThickAsThieves	"development" for a wildlife conservation center
10:53	ThickAsThieves	fundraising essentially
10:54	davout	my first thought for "development" of a wildlife development job was organizing inseminations
10:54	ThickAsThieves	she also part-owns an online education biz
10:54	ThickAsThieves	davout, while she has no involvement, organizing inseminations happens to be a large part of her employer's mission
10:57	davout	he's the one with the semen
10:57	ThickAsThieves	some rhinos and such being at risk for inbreeding, they ship animals around the world, to and fro, to keep a healthy mix
10:57	davout	interesting
10:57	davout	potato rhinos, wonder what one'd look like
10:58	ThickAsThieves	for all we know, all current rhinos are pretty much retarded
10:59	davout	lol
10:59	davout	we should send them to btctalk
10:59	ThickAsThieves	i wonder if other mammals have infinite hit point phenomena
11:00	ThickAsThieves	like all the smart flamingos are standing around on two legs complaining about the one-leggers all day
11:00	Apocalyptic	redditards do
11:01	ThickAsThieves	(not that flamingos are mammals...)
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.293 BTC [-]
11:06	davout	meanwhile, btc quietly took 12 eur today
11:07	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=640236.0
11:07	assbot	Mimex delisted from BitcoinBourse. Shareholders beware.
11:07	fluffypony	BitcoinBourse want 2 BTC + 1 BTC a month?
11:07	fluffypony	wtf.
11:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.293 = 0.586 BTC [-]
11:08	ThickAsThieves	Havelock has similar fees
11:09	ThickAsThieves	it's still not enough to make money anyway
11:09	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I don't have a problem with the fees, I have a problem with them suddenly deciding to charge the fees
11:10	fluffypony	one would think you either grandfather previous listings in, or have a delisting process for them
11:10	ThickAsThieves	i agree
11:10	ThickAsThieves	HL did similar ideas
11:10	ThickAsThieves	some things were left no fee for a while
11:10	ThickAsThieves	etc
11:11	fluffypony	then again, this is BitcoinBourse
11:11	fluffypony	source of teh lulz
11:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.293 = 0.879 BTC [-]
11:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29215763 = 1.1686 BTC [-] {2}
11:19	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: zaraza bottle << seriously!? 'зараза' == 'disease, contagion'
11:19	benkay	<xmj> i'll subtly neg them by asking about their company's economics. "so... are you cashflow positive?" is king. // the subtlety's always lost and generally pointless. their feelings aren't worth protecting. go for the jugular.
11:19	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself << if i recall, you're friends with the fellow who runs it, ask him wtf
11:20	xmj	benkay: oh, don't worry.
11:20	xmj	benkay: it always yields a "no", so my script is to ask if they have paying customers.
11:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0209994 = 0.147 BTC [+]
11:21	xmj	as that one is most often a no too, i ask how long their company is still funded.
11:21	xmj	i've scripted it.
11:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00086603 = 14.9823 BTC [+] {2}
11:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 600 @ 0.00041317 = 0.2479 BTC [+] {2}
11:22	xmj	as i'm most often in company of cashflow-negative startups, i usually add something that lets them save face.
11:22	benkay	<mircea_popescu> davout: drinking aero-pressed espresso in a mongodb mug << let me ruin your day for you. coffee in argentina ? comes PRE SWEET$ENED. and i don't even mean the bags. i mean the MOTHERFUCKING BEANS;. they sugar-cook them. << i only ever found 1 acceptable cup in bsas
11:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.293 = 1.172 BTC [+]
11:24	asciilifeform	zeus trojan << very educational case. zeus is a very poorly designed turd, but it is smashingly popular on account of a thousand spamz0r idiots buying 'custom' builds and paying to have them spammed out to chumps. see also one of mp's old articles on spam being a 'cargo cult.'
11:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.294 BTC [+]
11:28	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php, forced mistake when you're stuck working with random cheapo hosters << even the most pathetic public ftp can still host an rsa-signed blob for trojan payload. number of crap artists who do 'the right thing'? not 1 in 100.
11:30	benkay	<mircea_popescu> on the other hand, the black market in dollars is stable. // as in price is holding? over what timeframe?
11:30	benkay	;;gettrust kleinessteak
11:30	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user kleinessteak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=kleinessteak | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kleinessteak | Rated since: never
11:31	benkay	!up kleinessteak
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07003021 = 0.3502 BTC [-]
11:41	benkay	logs done!
11:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00299961 = 0.3 BTC [+]
11:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00299961 = 0.3 BTC [+]
11:54	pankkake	Shakespeare: I don't have the knowledge of windows compiles
11:54	pankkake	but it certainly is needed for Altcoin
11:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.05653332 = 1.1307 BTC [+] {9}
11:56	mircea_popescu	<davout> too soft? << lmao
11:56	mircea_popescu	pankkake, you know i can vouch for davout, he's not annoying in person.
11:57	davout	mircea_popescu: are you implying i'm annoying online
11:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.29239284 = 8.187 BTC [-] {5}
11:58	davout	mircea_popescu: i'd appreciate it if you could also confirm my smell is only moderate
11:58	pankkake	davout: I am not seeing anyone really. I am usually too tired :(
11:59	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> (not that flamingos are mammals...) << one of those moments :D
11:59	mircea_popescu	davout, i couldn't smell anything past your fanny.
11:59	mircea_popescu	omfg check me out i made a multiple entendre
11:59	*	asciilifeform chokes
12:00	davout	"davout, i couldn't smell anything past your fanny" <<< bwhahaha
12:00	mircea_popescu	<fluffypony> one would think you either grandfather previous listings in, or have a delisting process for them << you think too far ahead to be part of the kickstarter revolution
12:00	mircea_popescu	gotta get some kicks ot the head first.
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.294 BTC [+]
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.98211858 BTC to 8`242 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
12:00	fluffypony	lol
12:00	pankkake	did you guys see kickstarter opened the scamgates?
12:00	davout	btw she's now officially a professionnal instructor
12:01	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ><< you familiar with how romanian twists russian words. it's like a sort of trolling.
12:01	mircea_popescu	anyway, in ro it's a girl's name, disused since the 1930s.
12:01	asciilifeform	lol yeah
12:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00086361 = 11.9178 BTC [-]
12:01	mircea_popescu	;;google vreau sa-mi spui, frumoasa zaraza, cine te-a iubit ; citi au plins, nebuni, dupa tine, si citi au murit.
12:01	gribble	Price List - Zaraza Club & Lounge: <http://www.zarazabar.ro/en/>; Povesti ale Micului Paris | Informal.RO: <http://www.informal.ro/2011/01/povesti-ale-micului-paris/>
12:02	mircea_popescu	benkay, you realise the black marketr dollar is more of a future than a spot. i should already see this future collapse in the price today.
12:02	mircea_popescu	but anyway, been 11.5ish for two weeks.
12:03	mircea_popescu	google is so useless.
12:03	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SmSmCKdSPA
12:03	assbot	Cristian Vasile Zaraza - YouTube
12:04	asciilifeform	ok since 'everyone' keeps asking, there is no (public) proof that discrete logarithm problem is np-complete. more interestingly, also no rigorous proof that rsa difficulty is equal to that of factoring problem.
12:04	benkay	implying that kirchner et al have stopped printing? kinda hard to b'leev.
12:05	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, indeed.
12:05	benkay	also i would like to borrow some dogecoin. will collateralize etc.
12:05	mircea_popescu	benkay, no, implying that they don't print faster than the yus
12:05	mircea_popescu	which is not nearly as hard to believe. argentines are fucking lazy.
12:05	mircea_popescu	point in case : i go into a tiny shop to have a pile of keys copied. guy starts working.
12:06	mircea_popescu	older derp wanders into shop, to buy... a lightbulb.
12:06	asciilifeform	anyone who wants to know more re: dl or rsa, is advised to... read books.
12:06	mircea_popescu	goes into endless explanation as to where he needs it (bathroom) and whjat for (to have light)
12:06	mircea_popescu	guy is meanwhile sorta half working
12:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0299107 = 0.7478 BTC [+] {2}
12:06	mircea_popescu	\then stops completely to derp with this guy, who finally leaves.
12:06	mircea_popescu	then his SHOP ASSISTANT, which he apparently HAD but couldn't be bothered to bother, walks in
12:06	mircea_popescu	apparently the guy's phone rang, which ius sufficient cause to interrupr business.
12:07	mircea_popescu	so he launches into a conversation with ramon.
12:07	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: where he needs it (bathroom) and whjat for (to have light) << the inescapable conclusion is that he needs it: in his arse, and as to what for: to expand his annulus diameter.
12:07	mircea_popescu	takes them two hours to pick their nose they're so busy being social.
12:07	mircea_popescu	then i leave and he's like trying to apologize and explaoin he meant no disrespect
12:08	mircea_popescu	im like fuck you you idiot, what disrespect, we aren't friends, this isnt a fucking social call at your gentlemen's club
12:08	mircea_popescu	you do a shit job and will die hungry at this rate.
12:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0281001 = 0.2248 BTC [-]
12:08	mike_c	you sound like a new yorker
12:08	mircea_popescu	i am a new yorker.
12:08	mircea_popescu	they sadly ran out of new york.
12:09	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19X7ZS2.txt )
12:09	asciilifeform	!b 3
12:09	mircea_popescu	!up KRS1
12:09	KRS1	hey guys =D
12:09	mircea_popescu	anyway, bbl.
12:09	KRS1	had to laugh at that ..LOVE IT. <+mircea_popescu> you do a shit job and will die hungry at this rate.
12:09	KRS1	;;seen vexual
12:10	gribble	vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Vexual> rails
12:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07318981 = 0.2928 BTC [+] {4}
12:14	davout	i'm off, ttyal
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12:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25512 @ 0.0008667 = 22.1113 BTC [+] {2}
12:51	cgcardona	good morning bitcoin-assets o/
12:53	benkay	morning, cgcardona
12:53	cgcardona	hey dude
12:54	benkay	how's it going?
12:56	cgcardona	pretty good. My family moved from SF back to kauai about 2 months ago and we're finally in the groove. Working remotely w/ a team from the mainland. I'm very happy. thanks for asking. You?
12:56	benkay	that sounds lovely!
12:57	cgcardona	we were in a small apartment at first but just got into something much nicer and cleaner this week w/ my own office. so this morning i'm particularly stoked :)
12:57	benkay	well, a deal closed and the wire cleared this week so i'm feeling particularly good about that
12:57	cgcardona	boom
12:57	cgcardona	yes that's one of the best types of feelings
12:57	benkay	promoted another lead myself, and had a second fall into my lap via a friend, so the pipeline is not empty either
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00293658 = 0.2848 BTC [-] {3}
12:58	cgcardona	yea finding devs is the most challening thing. when in SF I witnessed many people raise money and then struggle to even find people to build their idea out.
12:59	cgcardona	i worked at Truila for a while and was on the hiring team for the mobile engineering dept. They offered really good salaries, stock, medical, etc and it was still hard to find people in SF
12:59	benkay	this is not actually a problem i have.
12:59	benkay	yet (?)
12:59	cgcardona	Google, Apple, FG, just eat em all up
12:59	cgcardona	oh really
12:59	cgcardona	?
12:59	benkay	really.
13:00	cgcardona	any reason in particular?
13:00	benkay	we have a sweet stack, pay pretty well, and don't expect to see people that often.
13:00	benkay	mind you i'm not hiring 150/hr devs
13:00	cgcardona	sure.
13:01	benkay	the stack really helps.
13:01	cgcardona	do you do web generalized stuff or crypto specific stuff?
13:01	cgcardona	i remember seeing your site once but I'm spacing on what your stack was
13:01	cgcardona	i remember the site being visually quite nice
13:01	Mats_cd03	its turtles all the way down
13:01	cgcardona	teenage mutant ninja turtles no less
13:01	benkay	web and mobile + design primarily. some actual asymmetric crypto of late as well.
13:02	benkay	we also don't really talk about the stack to non-devs. it's just not relevant about 100% of the time.
13:02	benkay	but: clojure APIs; angular single-page frontends.
13:03	benkay	datomic for data persistence and docker for process isolation
13:03	benkay	SUCH HIPSTER
13:05	cgcardona	haha
13:05	cgcardona	yea I'm rails/haml/sass/coffeescript
13:05	cgcardona	also pretty hipster i guess
13:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.020402 = 0.102 BTC [-] {2}
13:06	cgcardona	;;ticker
13:06	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 655.58, Best ask: 656.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.42000, Last trade: 656.0, 24 hour volume: 10794.76087179, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 654.264998524
13:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00086337 = 21.1957 BTC [-] {4}
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07003 = 0.7003 BTC [-] {2}
13:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-]
13:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00293885 = 0.1234 BTC [+]
13:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0028017 = 0.2802 BTC [-]
13:22	pankkake	friedcat update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg7147330#msg7147330
13:22	assbot	ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
13:23	mike_c	;;bc,stats
13:23	gribble	Current Blocks: 304382 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 33 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 14 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11741647483.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.29879
13:23	Naphex	so, mike_c is #bitcoin-assets suposed to kinda work like P2P vc firm?:)
13:23	mike_c	!up mdev
13:24	mike_c	Naphex: in what way? i see it more like an actually useful entrepreneur club.
13:24	mdev	thanks
13:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
13:25	mdev	is bitcoin address reuse dangerous?
13:25	Naphex	not yet
13:25	Naphex	:P
13:25	mike_c	mdev: http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/
13:25	assbot	Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:25	Naphex	(excluding anonimization)
13:26	mdev	privacy and all that is fine
13:27	mdev	#bitcoin ops quieted me, probably indefinitely because he says bitcoin address reuse is dangerous, even though link after link that i've found, while most discourage it, non i've seen actually say it's dangerous
13:27	mdev	the android bug was a result of a bad random number gen
13:27	pankkake	addresses that never had outgoing transactions are sligthly more secure, as the private key is hidden
13:27	pankkake	public*
13:27	Naphex	i'm guessing they just want to stay with the privacy line
13:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00280024 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2}
13:28	Naphex	also if you do a lot of transactions and don't want to double spend you're going to have to use multiple addresses
13:28	pankkake	if you were quieted by #bitcoin ops welcome here!
13:28	pankkake	;;ident mdev
13:28	gribble	Nick 'mdev', with hostmask 'mdev!~mdev@unaffiliated/mdev', is not identified.
13:29	pankkake	Naphex: you could also do it like MP, with a unique transaction amount
13:29	pankkake	though it is definitively a weird idea
13:29	Naphex	what do you mean?
13:30	pankkake	hm unless I am mistaken in what you want
13:30	Naphex	i ment that if you use a single bitcoin address
13:30	Naphex	you can only move the full amount every time
13:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
13:30	pankkake	but to distinguish transactions the process is : "I want to send 1 BTC" "ok, send me 1.00000832 BTC"
13:31	Naphex	so if you don't want to double spend / or do more then 1 transaction per confirmation
13:31	pankkake	oh, well, no. you can have multiple inputs on one address
13:31	Naphex	the only option is to use multiple addresses
13:31	Naphex	say i have 1 BTC in 1A
13:31	Naphex	and i want to send 0.5
13:31	pankkake	https://blockchain.info/unspent?active=1nick1RghphWeKG47ZDjpjJQLnjFvwCty&format=html
13:31	assbot	Unspent Outputs 1nick1RghphWeKG47ZDjpjJQLnjFvwCty
13:32	pankkake	this address, for example, has 0.032 + 63.69 BTC
13:32	pankkake	and if you send say 0.1, only one of the two will be used
13:35	pankkake	you can easily see that with coin control features of bitcoin-qt
13:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9257 @ 0.00086158 = 7.9756 BTC [-]
13:36	Naphex	aye, i shsould've said outputs :P
13:37	Naphex	unspent outputs*
13:42	benkay	bitcoin "devs" are idiotically and self-destructively committed to this "no reuse" idea, ever since implementing the braindead wallet schema that creates new addrs for your change
13:42	benkay	this is why bitcoin-qt wallets go bad after some tens of transactions
13:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09333333 = 0.28 BTC [+] {3}
13:43	asciilifeform	benkay: hypothesis: the devs have an 'address telescope' (box that continuously generates random addrs/keys) and are the kind of folks who like to play lotto.
13:44	benkay	hah that's a good one asciilifeform
13:44	mdev	the public key argument thing, about it being exposed after the first transaction, not sure why that's an issue, RSA is based off handing out public keys, I know bitcoin uses ECDMA or whatever, but still if the public key can't be trusted
13:44	mdev	don't get why that's being used
13:44	Naphex	mdev: if there are not transaction your pubkey is unavailable
13:45	Naphex	no* transactions
13:45	*	asciilifeform moved to different town recently, there are lottery machines everywhere
13:45	mdev	sure, but once your public key is out there
13:45	mdev	don't get why they're so concerned
13:45	mdev	if that alg is weak or they're not sure about its reliability why didn't they use a more trustworthy one like RSA
13:45	mdev	since that's relied on with HTTPS all day ever day
13:46	asciilifeform	mdev: long keys
13:46	benkay	simple solution: top up your hot address from cold addresses infrequently, spend from the hot address as frequently as you want. minimize risk by minimizing coins in the hot, potentially compromisable address.
13:47	benkay	old hat, this.
13:48	mdev	so they used a weaker alg to shorten the key length, does that mean if the alg they used gets compromised all addresses that have done transactions are vulnerable anyway?
13:48	mdev	if they have coins in them?
13:48	pankkake	it's not necessarily weaker
13:49	mdev	well that seems to be the only argument i've seen, security wise as far as not reusing addresses
13:49	mdev	the fear it's vulnerable or could be
13:49	Naphex	its related to quantum computing
13:50	Naphex	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6021/bitcoin-is-not-quantum-safe-and-how-we-can-fix/
13:50	assbot	Bitcoin Is Not Quantum-Safe, And How We Can Fix It When Needed Bitcoin Magazine
13:50	pankkake	well, if you can have the extra security, why not. but I feel like ripemd160 would be breakable before ecdsa ;)
13:50	pankkake	lol quantum
13:50	asciilifeform	mdev: mp had an entirely unrelated argument (in favour of reusing) - http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity
13:50	assbot	Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:50	pankkake	it was just linked before
13:51	asciilifeform	ah right
13:51	*	asciilifeform didn't read log
13:53	BingoBoingo	pankkake: I never proposed anything that old... Everything I supposed is still 64 bit...
13:57	BingoBoingo	%book
13:57	atcbot	75k@202 10k@200 2k@185 | 50k@143 175k@142 34k@140
14:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00086132 = 21.1454 BTC [-] {3}
14:02	Mats_cd03	https://soundcloud.com/1800crescendo/gatsby
14:02	assbot	Crescendo - Gatsby (Official Single) by Cre_scen_do on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
14:05	Mats_cd03	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTPOKaz8o4
14:05	assbot	Milky Chance - Flashed Junk Mind - YouTube
14:17	asciilifeform	http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/05/shrinkflation-in-usa.html
14:17	assbot	SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: "Shrinkflation" in USA
14:17	asciilifeform	^ i've been noticing this for years, evidently not the only one
14:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00086263 = 16.0018 BTC [+] {2}
14:19	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Let us not forget the US's fauxartisinalflation where the same old crap is fancied up and then marked up (also in smaller packages).
14:20	Mats_cd03	but, boutique
14:21	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i'd guess that this kind of thing is driven by ordinary consumer product shrinkflation, rather than vice versa
14:21	asciilifeform	if you're gonna buy a $10 bar of soap, it might as well be made from weasel fat if you go in for that kind of thing.
14:22	asciilifeform	the practical limit for 'shrinkflation' is, i imagine, the point where the pharmacy and its supply chain can no longer compete with your neighbour brewing soap from corpses or whatever in his cellar.
14:22	asciilifeform	a kind of 'soft' deindustrialization.
14:25	asciilifeform	unrelated:
14:25	asciilifeform	http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/04/usd-sniffing-dogs-in-argentine-borders.html
14:25	assbot	SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: USD Sniffing Dogs in Argentine Borders
14:25	asciilifeform	^ mircea_popescu, chetty: can you comment?
14:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
14:29	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I was more thinking of grain products, like beer, bread, etc. Where a rougher cheaper version of the same final product finds itself placed on the shelf as a "premium" good.
14:31	BingoBoingo	Especially all of the "craft beers" that are born the same place place as Busch lite, Coors, and Miller. It's also a field where... Neigbhors producing fould products in the basement is increasing.
14:32	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: a fellow upstairs from my old flat ran a full scale brewery (in a similarly small flat...)
14:32	asciilifeform	complete with heating systems, filtration gizmos, computer controls.
14:33	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: One of my brothers does something similar.
14:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00086301 = 2.1575 BTC [+] {2}
14:34	BingoBoingo	I haven't seen many home brews though that avoid the inadverdent inclusion of undesirable flora in their fermentation process.
14:34	asciilifeform	i tasted his product, survived.
14:35	Mats_cd03	yuengling has made its way into boston
14:35	Mats_cd03	is not bad
14:36	lobbes	just had a yuengling at lunch - I like it as well
14:36	mike_c	i disagree, boston is too cold.
14:36	BingoBoingo	The brother once tried making a pear cider instead of a beer with te standard industrial grain. It revealed the small off taste in his product for a while was an enterococcous which could finally thrive on something other than shitty grain. He did not take my advice for cleansing his setup after that episode.
14:36	BingoBoingo	;;google drinking record barrel fire
14:37	gribble	Lammers Barrel Factory - Environmental Protection Agency: <http://www.epa.gov/region5/superfund/npl/ohio/OHD981537582.html>; Fire Hydrant Operation and Inspection - Acrp.com: <http://www.acrp.com/downloads/dso4.pdf>; Fire hydrant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_hydrant>
14:37	BingoBoingo	;;google site:thedrinkingrecord.com proper barrel fire
14:37	gribble	A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/>
14:37	BingoBoingo	^ Something like that
14:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.289 = 1.445 BTC [-]
14:38	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: barrel fire with disks << don't do it near folks you want to stay on friendly terms with.
14:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2899 = 0.5798 BTC [+]
14:40	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I'm telling you if you minimize the pcb content of the fire it isn't any worse than the smell when other locals burn yard waste. Also hotter fires produce less smells.
14:41	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: unless you're in a justified hurry, just burn the platters.
14:41	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Usually what I do. NAND is also relatively clean burning...
14:42	diametric	hahaha http://www.coindesk.com/us-government-bans-researcher-supercomputer-mining/
14:42	assbot	US Government Bans Researcher for Supercomputer Bitcoin Mining
14:42	asciilifeform	old news?
14:43	diametric	not sure when it took place but the report was published today it seems
14:43	BingoBoingo	Looks like further consequences of old news.
14:44	asciilifeform	no mention of what kind of machine was involved
14:45	asciilifeform	if it was one of the (rare) fpga clusters, it might've been interesting.
14:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02400013 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}
14:50	pankkake	!up mdev
14:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.289965 = 2.8997 BTC [+] {3}
14:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02099929 = 0.21 BTC [+]
14:52	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: "I have a suspicion that the entire scheme is vulnerable to Gödelization." << I like how you raised this in 2010 and the problem of this in Urbit has only grown...
14:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086501 = 12.1966 BTC [+]
14:54	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: urbit is drowning in its own shit, just like every other software project which clings to the ubiquitous 1970s conceptual crapola. nothing exotic/godelian about it.
14:56	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I'd differ with you on the Godellian problem of 70's crapola being exotic.
14:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29 = 0.87 BTC [+]
14:57	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you might be thinking of this: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
14:57	assbot	Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
14:58	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: problem is mundane/human rather than mathematical. excess complexity makes everyone who is trying to 'swallow' a discipline (or particular engineering design) stupider. quite like tying weights to a marathon runner.
15:00	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: urbit is actually a great example of what happens when some bozo thinks he can substitute mathematical trickery for understandability
15:00	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Yeah, I've been rereading early loper and looking back at the urbit groups.
15:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.29401999 = 14.701 BTC [+] {7}
15:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02099929 = 0.105 BTC [+]
15:03	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: here's a good educational example of how the founding premise of crap computing, 'you can abstract over complexity', is a lie: http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hacks.html#item154
15:03	assbot	HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
15:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.2948 = 1.7688 BTC [+]
15:03	benkay	<BingoBoingo> Especially all of the "craft beers" that are born the same place place as Busch lite, Coors, and Miller. It's also a field where... Neigbhors producing fould products in the basement is increasing. // in the beer case, that 'fould' is far superior to that coming out of the mass-produced garbage
15:04	asciilifeform	(for smart-arses who answer, 'this won't work with a language having a full numeric tower' - the answer is, we can tear the paper off your abstraction by analyzing timing)
15:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.2948 = 2.0636 BTC [+]
15:04	jurov	usd shiffing dogs? bah. i hope there are no btc sniffing dogs next year
15:04	benkay	smelling numbers
15:04	benkay	stinky numbers
15:04	jurov	dogecoins :D
15:05	BingoBoingo	It's a mundane problem of human stupidity abusing the human capacity for intelligence. I'd definitely call the venture Augustinian.
15:05	asciilifeform	hope there are no btc sniffing dogs << laugh, but i bet some bozo is working on ferreting out 'kulaks' through pheromonal sensing of one kind or another. fellow who walks around knowing he's loaded, probably can be smelled, in principle
15:07	kakobrekla	so thats why we couldnt smell davout over fanny
15:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.29499999 = 3.54 BTC [+] {2}
15:08	BingoBoingo	benkay: There are reasons I prefer distilled spirits. There are a few sulphur compounds that are too... unpleasant to be tasted if it can be avoided. (most wine avoids this problem. I imagine this is because the prefered flora producing fermentation are more civilized).
15:10	benkay	BingoBoingo: are these sulphurs in all beers?
15:10	BingoBoingo	benkay: Not all. A lot of the homebrews can pick them up through poor hygiene allowing undesirable flora to produce them.
15:11	asciilifeform	https://www.eff.org/torchallenge << add eff to stooge list ?
15:11	assbot	Tor Challenge
15:11	mike_c	this line cracks me up every time
15:12	mike_c	"But at present, the microscope again and again goes 'clang!' against the table, the nails slowly and crookedly creep inward, and tiny shards of the world’s finest lenses fly in all directions."
15:12	BingoBoingo	EFF seems to suffer from the librarian view of technology, hard to tell if they are stooges or unaware.
15:12	asciilifeform	'stooge' needn't imply awareness
15:14	BingoBoingo	Fair enough.
15:17	danielpbarron	my brother is into beer making; his last batch was some sort of IPA and I liked it a lot (for someone who doesn't generally drink beer)
15:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 300 @ 0.00039777 = 0.1193 BTC [+]
15:21	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Highlight of the Loper comments probably has to be "Don’t make the mistake almost all engineers make: believing that the evolutionary tree of technological possibilities is trimmed by a benevolent gardener, rather than torn up by a mindless storm. Leaving not the most viable and fruitful branches, but a fairly random selection of the thickest."
15:23	BingoBoingo	related http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/medicine-by-committee.html
15:23	assbot	Doctor Grumpy in the House: Medicine by committee
15:25	BingoBoingo	!up RagnarDanneskjol
15:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02460792 = 0.2461 BTC [+] {2}
15:26	asciilifeform	must be pretty rought to be one of the many ragnar danneskjolds on the net. everywhere you go, no one gets the reference.
15:27	BingoBoingo	indeed
15:28	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: The futility of your efforts on Bitcointalk http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/09/overdose-victim-mutters-dont-give-me-narcan-as-medics-arrive-on-the-scene/
15:28	assbot	Overdose Victim Mutters Dont Give Me Narcan - Gomerblog
15:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+]
15:29	fluffypony	*clicks*
15:30	BingoBoingo	!up adrrr
15:30	BingoBoingo	!up mjr_
15:30	BingoBoingo	!up reeses
15:31	fluffypony	lol
15:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2949999 = 1.18 BTC [-]
15:32	pankkake	"He started to threaten all our wives and children, name by name" this is indeed like the forum
15:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1080 @ 0.0004186 = 0.4521 BTC [+] {3}
15:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24122 @ 0.00086633 = 20.8976 BTC [+] {3}
15:49	adrrr	Hi, I received my piper wallet :) but wrong electrical outlet, maybe a specialist could advise me about the place to find an adapter (France) ? ty
15:50	pankkake	most supermarkets sell universal adapters
15:50	pankkake	http://www.sabmegastore.com/images/articles/a/ADA-ALIM-SEC-UNI.jpg
15:50	adrrr	k thanks
15:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5638 @ 0.00086368 = 4.8694 BTC [-]
15:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.31322495 = 12.529 BTC [+] {5}
15:58	benkay	for 600/yr, you can get either: amazon's rapaciously underpowered m1.medium with 1 vcpu 3.76G ram and apparently 4G of ssd (???????) OR a quad-core i7 with 32G ram and 4T 7200 platters and 20G of space at Hetzner
15:58	benkay	to throw fuel on the 'cloud' fire.
15:59	pankkake	the overpricing isn't all that bothers me. it's the usual ignorance, for example not knowing "cloud" storage is usually lying to you
15:59	pankkake	and you end up with data corruption by ignoring it
16:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.329 = 9.212 BTC [+]
16:01	mike_c	benkay: link? i don't see dedicated hetzner's for less than $800 a year
16:02	mike_c	and an m1 is $420 a year
16:02	benkay	ha lol okay so euros are not dollars first off
16:02	benkay	idiot kid...
16:02	benkay	<--
16:02	mike_c	ah, k
16:02	benkay	and an m1 medium is about 600
16:03	mike_c	an m1 is exactly $422.20 a year
16:03	mike_c	m1.m
16:03	benkay	scuse me. m3 medium.
16:03	mike_c	those are cheaper
16:04	mike_c	$379.68 a year
16:04	mike_c	cloud rulez!
16:04	benkay	are you looking at reserved instances?
16:04	mike_c	yes
16:05	asciilifeform	i've caught myself wondering if a 'cloud' company which explicitly promises to steal and use your data for whatever purpose, might be even cheaper.
16:05	asciilifeform	then again, google already exists.
16:05	mike_c	plus, i can't shoot my hetzner box in the head at will.
16:06	benkay	yeah it's a thing
16:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1380 @ 0.00041861 = 0.5777 BTC [+] {2}
16:12	mike_c	pankkake: what do you mean about the storage lying to you? you mean about whether data has been committed?
16:12	pankkake	yes
16:12	mike_c	hm. hard drives do the same thing though. write caches and what not.
16:13	pankkake	that's one of the reasons to use journaling filesystems
16:24	Mats_cd03	hetzner is an abomination
16:24	mike_c	why? i've heard good things previously.
16:24	Mats_cd03	horrible customer service
16:25	pankkake	you get what you pay for basically - same as ovh
16:25	Apocalyptic	^
16:29	Mats_cd03	north koreans shouting ones and zeros into telephones have better uptime
16:32	Mats_cd03	;;ticker all
16:32	gribble	(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
16:32	Mats_cd03	;;ticker
16:32	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 661.0, Best ask: 662.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 661.0, 24 hour volume: 10829.52791365, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 655.562141616
16:36	assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4600 @ 0.00021725 = 0.9994 BTC [+]
16:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3289999 BTC [-]
16:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3289999 = 0.987 BTC [-]
16:54	ThickAsThieves	http://newsbtc.com/2014/06/05/irs-says-bitcoin-fbar-reporting-tax-season-required/
16:54	assbot	IRS Says No Bitcoin FBAR Reporting This Tax Season Required | newsBTC
16:55	ThickAsThieves	for those of you who recall our tax conversation while walking around romania
16:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00299693 = 0.1978 BTC [+] {3}
17:03	BingoBoingo	http://thecodelesscode.com/case/144
17:03	assbot	The Codeless Code: Case 144 Mnemonic
17:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14513 @ 0.00086672 = 12.5787 BTC [+]
17:09	mike_c	uh, who the hell wrote that URL / title combination?
17:10	mike_c	url = "reporting required". title = "no reporting required"
17:10	punkman	mike_c: probably some retarded "SEO" plugin for Wordpress
17:12	punkman	totally makes sense to have "no" in the stoplist
17:15	FabianB	;;ticker
17:15	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 659.12, Best ask: 660.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 660.5, 24 hour volume: 10635.05141923, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 655.63550343
17:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 154 @ 0.0029999 = 0.462 BTC [+]
17:15	mike_c	good for click bait. /2014/06/05/bitcoin-declared-illegal-everywhere/ "Bitcoin has not been declared illegal everywhere"
17:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2}
17:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00086433 = 8.2544 BTC [-] {2}
17:27	kakobrekla	yeah bb could go /bet/786/bitcoin-berkshire-investment/
17:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0204011 = 0.1836 BTC [-]
17:30	mike_c	;;calc 192000 / [ticker --last]
17:30	gribble	290.403085533
17:30	mike_c	warren's getting smacked
17:33	FabianB	[]bot broken?
17:38	BingoBoingo	%book
17:38	atcbot	75k@202 10k@200 2k@185 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
17:40	mike_c	;;bc,stats
17:40	gribble	Current Blocks: 304414 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 minutes and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11758984658.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.46461
17:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3289999 = 0.987 BTC [-]
17:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.0029945 = 0.1677 BTC [-]
17:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.000078 = 0.156 BTC [+]
17:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3249 BTC [-]
17:50	artifexd	FabianB, wassup with []bot?
17:52	artifexd	Ah. Looks like it got booted.
17:54	BingoBoingo	%diff
17:54	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 164414.15 in 1987 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -77.02
17:57	Naphex	ciacada's 3301 go shake your tymbals 011011000110111101101100
17:57	Naphex	o/
18:02	BingoBoingo	%ticker
18:02	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 219 Last Price: 202 24h-Vol: 237k High: 202 Low: 140 VWAP: 164
18:02	ThickAsThieves	there's a new pool
18:03	BingoBoingo	%book
18:03	atcbot	10k@239 5k@229 2k@219 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
18:03	ThickAsThieves	http://ispace.co.uk
18:03	assbot	iSpace Mining Pools
18:03	ThickAsThieves	i like how ATC is at the top
18:03	BingoBoingo	Nice
18:04	ThickAsThieves	I was smart enough to choose an A name
18:04	fluffypony	lol
18:04	ThickAsThieves	ABCoin
18:04	fluffypony	such smart
18:04	fluffypony	AAAAAcoin
18:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10146 @ 0.00086549 = 8.7813 BTC [+]
18:06	ThickAsThieves	something occurs to me as i reach chapter 45 of Anathem - this is basically a quantum mechanics debate mapped over the story aspects of star wars
18:09	BingoBoingo	http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140605202211
18:09	assbot	OpenSSL Releases Bugfixes, Advance Notice To Some Vendors But Not OpenBSD
18:10	benkay	petty.
18:11	BingoBoingo	Interesting
18:11	Naphex	more openssl updates.. great
18:11	BingoBoingo	I believe these were mentioned in the logs earlier today. This bite from the drama llama I haven't seen shared yet
18:12	Naphex	1.0.1h-r1 stable'd on gentoo
18:13	kakobrekla	Last Block: long time ago < lol
18:15	BingoBoingo	Ohio: http://deadspin.com/cleveland-politician-proposes-tying-stadium-money-to-wi-1586674087
18:15	assbot	Cleveland Politician Proposes Tying Stadium Money To Wins
18:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00086549 = 9.6537 BTC [+]
18:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00281458 = 0.2955 BTC [-] {2}
18:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3279 = 0.6558 BTC [+]
18:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.328 BTC [+]
18:40	BingoBoingo	http://fittish.deadspin.com/running-coach-fired-for-running-boston-marathon-1585122341/all
18:40	assbot	Running Coach Fired For Running Boston Marathon
18:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30000001 BTC [-]
18:50	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140605202211 << the pill against this, as has been abundantly obvious for months to anyone who gives half a shit, is to take ssl out to the back of the shed and shoot it.
18:50	assbot	OpenSSL Releases Bugfixes, Advance Notice To Some Vendors But Not OpenBSD
18:52	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The OpenSSL problem is deeper than SSL sucking as so many shitpiles just reuse their functions for other crypto applications
18:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3289999 BTC [+]
18:52	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i know this. the lazy will pay.
18:54	BingoBoingo	The dung beetles are already parting the shit castle and rolling it away in those shitballs as they do.
18:54	asciilifeform	they will see to it that as much of the turd as possible lives on, remains ubiquitous.
18:55	asciilifeform	incidentally, afaik every known btc miner rolled in openssl
18:56	asciilifeform	how many patched?
18:56	asciilifeform	how many idiots with miners sitting on tor (why? ask them, not me)
18:56	Mats_cd03	lol why
18:56	BingoBoingo	Hard to say. I imagine people who still brush these things off will be learning Forth in the Coal mines within a decade
18:57	asciilifeform	nah, biodiesel.
18:58	BingoBoingo	Have to distract them from the biodiesel with make work until they are needed.
18:58	asciilifeform	given the track record, one almost imagines they'll jump in the pot voluntarily, so long as it's the fashionable thing to do.
19:00	BingoBoingo	#bitcoin-assets "Where Javascript is crackpot drivel"
19:01	asciilifeform	!up mdev
19:02	mdev	thanks
19:02	mdev	just wondering, why is it so hard to talk in here
19:02	mdev	you guys have spammers or something?
19:02	asciilifeform	had.
19:02	mdev	ahh ok
19:02	assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3CCBW3Q.txt )
19:02	BingoBoingo	!b 4
19:03	mike_c	;;ident mdev
19:03	gribble	Nick 'mdev', with hostmask 'mdev!~mdev@unaffiliated/mdev', is not identified.
19:03	mike_c	if you get in the WoT somebody might rate you and you can voice yourself.
19:03	asciilifeform	mdev: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m << instructions for becoming a known human and self-voicing
19:04	assbot	#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.020999 = 0.168 BTC [+] {2}
19:05	mdev	what does Wot stand for?
19:05	asciilifeform	mdev: http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php << manual
19:05	assbot	#bitcoin-otc web of trust
19:05	benkay	;;google bitcoin web of trust
19:05	gribble	#bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/trust.php>; #bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php>
19:05	kakobrekla	world of turds
19:06	kakobrekla	no wait, tanks. it was tanks.
19:06	asciilifeform	trypanosomes.
19:07	mike_c	World of Tramborghinis
19:07	mike_c	similar to 24 hours of LeMons
19:07	asciilifeform	http://cl.jroo.me/z3/l/G/p/e/a.baa-Trabant-made-as-the-movie-ca.jpg
19:08	mike_c	for those of you who have the misfortune of not knowing: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
19:21	BingoBoingo	!up peterl
19:22	peterl	hi
19:22	BingoBoingo	Hi
19:22	mdev	are you guys developers or mostly just traders?
19:22	mdev	trying to figure out what this channel is about, been looking at the sites in the links
19:23	peterl	stepping out to mow the lawn, will voice myself when I am back later.
19:23	asciilifeform	mdev: i'm still not 100% sure what this channel's about, and i've been here for ages.
19:23	mdev	heh
19:23	peterl	mdev this is a channel for people who are actually using bitcoins
19:23	mdev	learned on reddit that "fresh cut grass" smell, is a chemical grass releases when it's in pain
19:24	mdev	or maybe distress, so yeah, kind of depressing
19:24	asciilifeform	or, alternatively, phosgene.
19:24	asciilifeform	(if you're smelling cut grass, but there is no grass... put on your mask.)
19:25	mdev	http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/re85e/til_the_smell_of_freshly_cut_grass_is_actually_a/ there's the link on it, if interested @peter1
19:25	mdev	since you're about to go mow, also thanks for the clarity, so you guys trade, very neat
19:26	benkay	lePubicMound
19:26	mdev	considering bitcoins were worth pennies a few years ago, and peaked over 1k, plus the fact they're limited
19:26	mdev	makes it hard to sell them, considering their increased value over time
19:26	benkay	mdev: i'll buy 'em lol
19:27	mdev	:)
19:27	mdev	I wonder what the early bitcoiners that spent like 1k bitcoins on pizza's think about that now
19:27	mdev	!calc
19:27	mdev	.calc
19:28	mdev	;;calc
19:28	gribble	(calc <math expression>) -- Returns the value of the evaluated <math expression>. The syntax is Python syntax; the type of arithmetic is floating point. Floating point arithmetic is used in order to prevent a user from being able to crash to the bot with something like '10**10**10**10'. One consequence is that large values such as '10**24' might not be exact.
19:28	mdev	;;ticker
19:28	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 661.6, Best ask: 663.92, Bid-ask spread: 2.32000, Last trade: 661.6, 24 hour volume: 10762.83888804, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 656.490833197
19:28	mircea_popescu	mdev, so who're you
19:28	mdev	;;calc 661.6 x 1000
19:28	gribble	Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
19:29	kakobrekla	;;calc 1000 * [ticker --last]
19:29	gribble	663920
19:29	kakobrekla	fyi
19:29	mdev	mircea_popsecu just a dev who's interested in bitcoins, I was quieted in #bitcoin and recommended here when I got into a disagreement about reusing addresses
19:29	mike_c	also fyi, to multiply by 1000 you just add 3 zeros ;)
19:29	mircea_popescu	lol
19:29	mircea_popescu	the irony of it. who recomended it ?
19:30	kakobrekla	omg mike_c mind blown
19:30	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform:
19:30	mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself << if i recall, you're friends with the fellow who runs it, ask him wtf << well what's to ask ? boy likes girl, girl doesn't like boy. what would you ask him ?
19:30	kakobrekla	;;calc [ticker --last] + 000
19:30	gribble	661.01
19:30	kakobrekla	thar
19:30	mdev	iwilcox, I may have linked him an article about it, that
19:30	mike_c	doh, i coulda swore that worked
19:30	mircea_popescu	methinks kako is maybe not the best person to be running funds and shit
19:30	mircea_popescu	he can't even add zeros
19:30	kakobrekla	lol
19:30	benkay	0 + 0
19:30	mircea_popescu	HOW ARE WE TO EXPECT A MOON RETURN
19:30	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: perhaps ask him how he intends to sell the gurl's favours
19:31	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if she won't even put out for him
19:31	mircea_popescu	i think ima just watch it for now :D
19:31	asciilifeform	lol
19:31	asciilifeform	!up mdev
19:32	mdev	thanks, was the 1k+ per btc to the price it is now, solely a result of mtgox going under?
19:32	mircea_popescu	benkay [...]<< i only ever found 1 acceptable cup in bsas << no actually there;s plenty, you just need good intel :D
19:32	mircea_popescu	mdev, it uniquely had nothing to do with it.
19:32	mdev	really? what caused it then
19:33	mike_c	it was actually the reverse, the price dropping killed gox.
19:33	mircea_popescu	that's complicated.
19:33	kakobrekla	no, the killed dropped gox reverse
19:33	BingoBoingo	OMG Where's dotcoin
19:33	mircea_popescu	brokle kaka!
19:34	mike_c	obviously kako, but don't confuse him with the advanced shit yet.
19:34	mircea_popescu	!up mikaeldice
19:34	kakobrekla	myea, ill leave him to you guys.
19:34	mike_c	how'd the euro end up today? any new cool huge pictures?
19:35	mircea_popescu	o ya is it 1.4 yet ?
19:35	kakobrekla	https://charts.mql5.com/4/901/eurusd-m5-worth-ltd-venetfx.png
19:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2900001 = 0.58 BTC [-]
19:35	kakobrekla	smooth sailing
19:36	mike_c	obviously you shoulda bought at 1.35.
19:36	kakobrekla	obv!
19:36	mircea_popescu	also in the news, earlier today : argentina "hallo mr mp, in this here argentina all our keyboards are spanish" ; mp : "fuck you" ; argentina : "ok here are your english keyboards plox"
19:36	mike_c	you need some tips on this?
19:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2900001 BTC [-]
19:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 111 @ 0.00280702 = 0.3116 BTC [-] {2}
19:37	kakobrekla	sure ;)
19:37	mike_c	buy the dip! (unless it keeps going down)
19:37	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu does not carry 'model m' in violin case?
19:37	mircea_popescu	buy the trip!
19:37	*	kakobrekla notes
19:37	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, nope.
19:37	mircea_popescu	i enjoy seeing how the proles live now and again
19:38	asciilifeform	'how the other half' types.
19:38	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=350103.msg7137392#msg7137392
19:38	assbot	[Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? | Page 19 | Bitcointa.lk
19:38	mircea_popescu	o wow that still exists huh!
19:39	mircea_popescu	allow me to reciprocate : tory black
19:39	mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/05/30/toriblack-31407/images/twistys-topcover.jpg
19:41	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo, why is your post gone ? did .lk delete it or what ?!
19:42	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I made it on old forum. My guess is there are syncing problems between the two.
19:42	mircea_popescu	ah
19:43	benkay	mdev what kind of dev do you do?
19:44	mircea_popescu	the friedcat post is uncharacteristically convincing actually.
19:45	mircea_popescu	also, fingers http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/05/31/keishagrey-31669/images/full/16.jpg
19:45	asciilifeform	'nicht fur gefingerpoken.'
19:47	mircea_popescu	pankkake: though it is definitively a weird idea << no argument there.
19:47	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, o nicht nicht, ganz fur den fingernstossen
19:48	asciilifeform	;;google gefingerpoken und mittengrabben
19:48	gribble	Blinkenlights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights>; “ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS!” “Das ... - Loewen, Mike: <http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Blinkenlights.pdf>; Computer Humor: Just Watch the Pretty Lights - Astrodigital: <http://www.astrodigital.org/digital/achtung.html>
19:49	mircea_popescu	benkay: bitcoin "devs" are idiotically and self-destructively committed to this "no reuse" idea, ever since implementing the braindead wallet schema that creates new addrs for your change << it's not that bad of an idea. the problem is that they misrepresent it as a central point of protocol, when it's merely a marginal helper tool thing. sorta like people thinking all carpenter tables must also have a vase on them
19:49	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, you know the whole thing went in the logs coupla days back
19:50	*	asciilifeform looks
19:50	mircea_popescu	mdev: the public key argument thing, about it being exposed after the first transaction, not sure why that's an issue, RSA is based off handing out public keys, I know bitcoin uses ECDMA or whatever, but still if the public key can't be trusted << because cargo cult sekoority.
19:50	mircea_popescu	also because the bitcoinz use a vulnerable scheme.
19:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10609 @ 0.00086493 = 9.176 BTC [-]
19:51	asciilifeform	this is the thing that always puzzled me about the alt folks. if they're meant to be 'spares' for btc, where's the one using rsa? lattice? etc
19:51	asciilifeform	nowhere to be seen
19:51	mircea_popescu	well that'd talke thinkings
19:51	asciilifeform	what thinking. crack a fsckng book, cook.
19:52	asciilifeform	no brain required
19:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29991 @ 0.00086612 = 25.9758 BTC [+] {3}
19:52	mircea_popescu	sometimes i suspect you don't understand what thinking actually is.
19:52	Mats_cd03	lol
19:52	mircea_popescu	"what fucking, you just sit your ass on the cock and bob up and down"
19:52	asciilifeform	if i knew what thinking actually is, i'd be talking to me pet ai right now.
19:53	mircea_popescu	that's a point.
19:53	peterl	mdev: you need to pick a better font, it's PeterL, not Peter1
19:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3199999 BTC [+]
19:53	mircea_popescu	but srsly, crack a book & cook, that;s it.
19:53	mircea_popescu	peterl, either that or autocomplete.
19:53	peterl	yeah, that works too
19:54	asciilifeform	thinking'd be, if i were to ask folks to cough up, say, a new pubkey algo with rigorous proof of hardness
19:54	mircea_popescu	pankkake: it's not necessarily weaker << it's in fact weak to very bad rng. it has in displayed this in the wild, on some machines for which rng = 9
19:55	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, you don't get to arbitrarily define what's thinking tho.
19:55	asciilifeform	sure. but everyone has some kind of mental picture for what they expect a normal person to be able to do - e.g. tie a knot
19:55	mircea_popescu	so ?
19:56	mircea_popescu	even if everyone had the same picture, what of it.
19:58	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/05/shrinkflation-in-usa.html << how very soviet huh.
19:58	assbot	SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: "Shrinkflation" in USA
19:59	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: a kind of 'soft' deindustrialization. << if that is soft i have no idea what is hard. and also, the people making milk in their back yard are being kept in check with regulation.
19:59	mircea_popescu	same with daycare, same for sure with soap.
20:00	mircea_popescu	a country where ordinary people obey the law is the worst sort of country to live in.
20:00	asciilifeform	had the 'honour' of seeing this alive. i sometimes buy liquid soap, and for a few years after '09, it was mostly pisswater
20:00	asciilifeform	then turned, surprisingly, into something more like normal soap (probably they found something cheap & viscosity-enhancing to add)
20:01	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu, chetty: can you comment? << yes i can comment. i carried a huge stack of bills inside, it's not that they allowed it, it's that they don't evenm know, cause they couldn't be bothered to find out.
20:02	mircea_popescu	i imagine they would prefer you don't take dollars out, however. not sure why you'd want to, but anyway.
20:02	mircea_popescu	and nobody's mugging anyone, that's for damned sure. i saw more muggings a day in new york than in a month of here.
20:02	asciilifeform	!up mdev
20:03	mircea_popescu	also in general, i find that what the resident expats say about BA is about as spot on as if they had never visited
20:03	mircea_popescu	(this dovetails nicely into my experience with mexico : everyone was like "omg, carry toilet paper!!". in reality, mexico bus stations look better, are cleanner and so forth than us airports)
20:04	*	asciilifeform remembers the traditional american image of ussr, formed largely with tales from expats circa 1917
20:05	asciilifeform	expats, as a rule, are folks who ate more than fair share of shit where they came from
20:05	mircea_popescu	well in point of fact you could get by pretty well on a suitcase full of jeans at some point
20:05	asciilifeform	(not necessarily though fault of their own)
20:06	mircea_popescu	eh, what's fault anyway.
20:07	mircea_popescu	by the way, was phinn ever back ?
20:08	mircea_popescu	;;note
20:08	gribble	Error: "note" is not a valid command.
20:08	mircea_popescu	;;notes
20:08	gribble	I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, congrats, decimation, gaantr2, hydruid, Immukization, Immuzikkation, jmcorgan, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, and ryepdx.
20:09	mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/06/02/emilyaddison-30527/images/full/16.jpg i guess he misses out on the feet then
20:12	mircea_popescu	ok this is splendid http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hacks.html#item154 asciilifeform who wrote it ?
20:12	assbot	HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
20:13	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bill gosper. same fellow who wrote 'hashlife'
20:13	mircea_popescu	o the hakmem nm\
20:13	mircea_popescu	yaw
20:13	asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html
20:13	asciilifeform	^ as seen here
20:13	asciilifeform	one of the golden age mit ai lab folks
20:14	mircea_popescu	154 has all the qualities of an excellent poem
20:15	asciilifeform	i heartily recommend the entire document, to any amateur maths types here.
20:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 48 @ 0.00380417 = 0.1826 BTC [+] {3}
20:16	mircea_popescu	yes, plus the rest of the hakmems
20:18	asciilifeform	see, for instance, no. 25:
20:18	asciilifeform	http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/random.html#item25
20:18	assbot	HAKMEM -- RANDOM NUMBERS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
20:18	asciilifeform	'prng sucks'
20:19	asciilifeform	(circa 1972.)
20:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: hope there are no btc sniffing dogs << laugh, but i bet some bozo is working on ferreting out 'kulaks' through pheromonal sensing of one kind or another. fellow who walks around knowing he's loaded, probably can be smelled, in principle << women can definitely smell me.
20:19	asciilifeform	documented effect
20:21	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: EFF seems to suffer from the librarian view of technology, hard to tell if they are stooges or unaware. << eff is a large donation based org. it has the limitations and blind spots that flow from that. it's useful for what it's iuseful, it's not the pope of electronic freedom. juust a tool.
20:21	asciilifeform	Russell, Michael J. 'Human Olfactory Communication.' Nature, vol 260, pp.520-522
20:21	asciilifeform	^ the infamous 't-shirts' experiment
20:22	asciilifeform	efforts to synthetically exploit this effect, afaik, failed, and the field was taken over by snake oil men (as often happens)
20:23	mircea_popescu	reason is probably similar to why perfume can't replace shower.
20:23	mircea_popescu	you can drown the loser in my ballsack sweat, it still won't smell pleasant.
20:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.0038 = 0.2204 BTC [-]
20:35	BingoBoingo	!up mdev
20:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.00379 = 0.1175 BTC [-]
20:40	BingoBoingo	%book
20:41	atcbot	12k@270 25k@269 8k@256 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
20:41	BingoBoingo	%ticker
20:41	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 256 Last Price: 256 24h-Vol: 221k High: 256 Low: 140 VWAP: 213
20:42	BingoBoingo	%diff
20:42	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 155380.44 in 1983 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -78.28
20:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
20:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086556 = 15.407 BTC [-] {4}
21:05	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03: north koreans shouting ones and zeros into telephones have better uptime <<< yes well, there's a reason i've not seen three digits on a bill for years and years.
21:06	mircea_popescu	mike_c: warren's getting smacked << i really was hoping for more action ;/
21:07	mircea_popescu	lol nice link ThickAsThieves . aurorACOIN Difficulty: 36
21:09	mircea_popescu	TekCoin Hashrate: 9.67 TH/s heh
21:10	BingoBoingo	%diff
21:10	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 155380.44 in 1983 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -78.28
21:10	mike_c	%tslb
21:10	atcbot	0 minutes and 56 seconds
21:10	mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/06/03/sophiaknight-29890/images/full/16.jpg << anyone got any ideawhat's that in her armpit ?
21:11	asciilifeform	needle marks?
21:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086368 = 2.9365 BTC [-]
21:13	mircea_popescu	looks like either a horrible wax job or some sort of dermatological testing
21:14	mircea_popescu	http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/12/teratoma/
21:14	assbot	Tooth Fairy Refusing to Take Teeth From a Teratoma | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
21:14	BingoBoingo	Needs moar resolution
21:14	mircea_popescu	– Local resident Brittany Friedly underwent surgery to remove a mass on her ovary. What was somewhat unique about this mass you might ask? It was a teratoma that contained hair and 7 teeth.
21:15	asciilifeform	'what's been seen, cannot be unseen'
21:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.30932578 = 9.2798 BTC [+] {6}
21:15	BingoBoingo	'Wetware can have problems too'
21:16	mircea_popescu	well, at least we don't got no ovaries.
21:16	BingoBoingo	Yup.
21:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.32899998 = 1.316 BTC [+]
21:18	BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/06/joint-commission-is-coming-hospital-plans-to-change-everything-for-one-day-and-revert-back-to-normal-operations-afterwards/
21:18	assbot	Joint Commission is Coming: Hospital Plans to Change Everything for One Day and Revert Back to Normal Operations Afterwards | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
21:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32899998 = 0.658 BTC [+]
21:26	BingoBoingo	Yadier Molina: http://deadspin.com/unlucky-norichika-aoki-gets-hit-in-head-with-throw-back-1586879817
21:26	assbot	Unlucky Norichika Aoki Gets Hit In Head With Throw Back To Mound
21:34	BingoBoingo	http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
21:34	assbot	A Story About Magic'
21:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00086368 = 9.2414 BTC [-]
21:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0029905 = 0.1525 BTC [+]
21:39	*	asciilifeform flips toggle to 'more magic'
21:40	asciilifeform	who alive remains, who doesn't know this tale
21:41	*	asciilifeform actually has to give a shit about ground potentials now that his box is connected to isolator transformer
21:42	*	asciilifeform looks to xformer, 'you're a loud little bugger, aintcha' xformer: bzzz me: could be worse xformer: BZZZzzz me: looks at neighbour's house, wonders what they did to dip the mains
21:44	BingoBoingo	Are they actually neighbors, or potekemin neighbors who professionally reside in that house?
21:44	*	asciilifeform didn't ask
21:44	mircea_popescu	just run everything off car batteries
21:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15822 @ 0.00086368 = 13.6651 BTC [-]
21:45	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: set up to do just this, when necessary
21:45	mircea_popescu	actually : is solar power a loit better than mains for this ?
21:45	mircea_popescu	i'd expect it's maybe noisier but definitely not harmonic
21:46	BingoBoingo	There's more equiptment tuned for these applications when using solar than mains, at least in the consumer/prosumer market
21:46	asciilifeform	you can get 'atx'-sized power supplies that run off straight 12v rail
21:46	asciilifeform	bypass the usual inverter found on solar rigs. use solar, woman on bike, whichever
21:46	asciilifeform	weak point, as always - the battery
21:47	asciilifeform	lead-acid cell is good for half a dozen 'deep cycles' then it goes to the dump.
21:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32899998 = 0.658 BTC [+]
21:47	*	BingoBoingo wonders in how many years Tesla vehicles will be routinely relieved of their batteries.
21:47	asciilifeform	they use lithium rechargeables, afaik
21:47	asciilifeform	so, about the same life as 'macbook'
21:48	BingoBoingo	Recently replaced the laptop battery after 3 years. Lithium ion seems more influenced by time decay that cycles, to the extent I have noticed so far
21:49	asciilifeform	rots on shelf. esp. when discharged.
21:49	asciilifeform	crystal growth.
21:49	BingoBoingo	Same happens when totally charged.
21:50	asciilifeform	Li. ion -> ~70% of design capacity after 2 yrs. typical.
21:50	asciilifeform	(optimistic)
21:51	BingoBoingo	This particular battery went from 5 hours charge to 5 minutes charge over three years. Breaking point on replacing it was it could no longer sustain a whole cigarette's worth of time away from the cord.
21:51	asciilifeform	it's a kind of scam. 'showroom optimization', like glossy lcd panels.
21:52	asciilifeform	new gizmo has 2x the life vs. varient with, say, nickel metal hydride cell
21:52	asciilifeform	but dies on schedule.
21:52	BingoBoingo	Yeah, I'd prefer a computer with less speed and a 20 year RTG for power, no recharging necessary.
21:54	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-M#mediaviewer/File:Soviet_RTG.jpg
21:54	assbot	Beta-M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:55	asciilifeform	^ electrical output: ~10W. thermal: ~200
21:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00086708 = 5.4557 BTC [+]
21:55	asciilifeform	mass: ~600kg
21:56	asciilifeform	(why? peltier element has piss-poor work coefficient)
21:56	BingoBoingo	Quite a bit of computer can fit into 10 watts nao...
21:57	*	asciilifeform pictures 'raspberry' on a truck with 'beta-m'
21:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 475 @ 0.00022291 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {3}
22:01	*	BingoBoingo was thinking more a Forth chip with Beta-M
22:02	BingoBoingo	"Elephant Pacemaker" if anyone asks its purpose...
22:02	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: probably one flying above your head as we speak.
22:02	asciilifeform	('molnija orbit')
22:02	asciilifeform	prob. 'REFAL' rather than forth, though
22:03	BingoBoingo	Difference isn't that big...
22:03	*	asciilifeform blows dust off Turchin's 'the algorithmic language Refal.'
22:05	asciilifeform	http://spsc.googlecode.com/files/Turchin.-The.Language.REFAL.-.The.Theory.of.Compilation.and.Metasystem.Analysis.%281980%29.djvu
22:05	asciilifeform	^ for english folks
22:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00086354 = 5.5267 BTC [-] {2}
22:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25227 @ 0.00086291 = 21.7686 BTC [-] {2}
22:18	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: gedankenexperiment:
22:18	asciilifeform	Li. primary 'coin' cell, non-chargeable. mass: ~6g. optimal draw < 1mA.
22:19	asciilifeform	;;calc 6 * (10 / 0.001)
22:19	gribble	60000
22:19	asciilifeform	60kg
22:19	asciilifeform	suitcase, 10,000 watch batteries
22:19	asciilifeform	a few years of 10W.
22:19	asciilifeform	cost: perhaps $10k.
22:20	asciilifeform	considerably cheaper than soviet rtg
22:20	asciilifeform	and won't cook yer balls, unless you wet it.
22:20	BingoBoingo	That is some useful math. The lithium coin cells, can also generally survive 10+ years in a constant low drain environment...
22:21	asciilifeform	(reduction to practice left as exercise for alert reader.)
22:21	asciilifeform	don't leave suitcase out in the frost.
22:21	asciilifeform	or the rain.
22:22	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
22:22	Vexual	hey
22:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.0029955 = 0.4703 BTC [+]
22:22	BingoBoingo	!up mthreat
22:23	BingoBoingo	Now... With a truck of coin cells...
22:24	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/magicmolly/status/474709212493512705
22:24	assbot	Disappointing sentences of Wikipedia: "Piranhas are basically like regular fish with large teeth."
22:30	TheNewDeal	Disappointing sentences of Wikipedia: the entirety
22:30	asciilifeform	laugh if you will, but i still use 'great soviet encyclopaedia' on occasion. (online ver.)
22:31	asciilifeform	for instance, nowhere else do you find a concise summary of CVT (see discussion from a few days ago)
22:31	TheNewDeal	I laughed, but only because you prefaced with "laugh if you will"
22:32	TheNewDeal	continuously variable transmission?
22:32	asciilifeform	constant voltage transformer
22:32	asciilifeform	(electrical gizmo supposedly unnecessary in the civilized world)
22:32	Vexual	either will make my brain hurt
22:33	TheNewDeal	I thought the whole point of a transformer was to change voltage?
22:33	asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#699606
22:33	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
22:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32899998 BTC [+]
22:34	TheNewDeal	speaking of loud transformers, I was sitting at a stoplight the other day under a bunch of high voltage lines, enjoying the buzz that filled the air around me
22:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.002998 = 0.1799 BTC [+] {2}
22:37	TheNewDeal	anyone had troubles with bitcoinwisdom's graphs displaying in chrome? I tried going to chrome://conflicts but nothing was listed
22:38	TheNewDeal	tried clearing my cookies, no success
22:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00086141 = 6.5036 BTC [-] {2}
22:40	mthreat	TheNewDeal: no problems here
22:40	thestringpuller	new people
22:42	thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: yo
22:43	BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Hey
22:43	TheNewDeal	I know, it's more of a localized issue
22:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [-]
22:51	TheNewDeal	;;calc 306431/2016
22:51	gribble	151.999503968
22:51	TheNewDeal	when did the first difficult change occur? block 2017?
22:52	TheNewDeal	errr I guess it was technically 1 for a while
22:52	TheNewDeal	but
22:52	BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats
22:52	gribble	Current Blocks: 304448 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1983 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 4 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13040152907.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.91818
22:52	TheNewDeal	why is 306341 / 2016 not a whole number?
22:52	TheNewDeal	431*
22:54	thestringpuller	!up Vexual
22:55	TheNewDeal	doesn't the difficulty change every 2016 blocks?
22:55	Vexual	same reason 306341 / 2 isnt a whole number
22:55	TheNewDeal	regardless, why isn't the next difficulty change a product of 2016
22:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0029956 = 0.5991 BTC [-]
23:00	Vexual	lets wait and see shall we
23:02	thestringpuller	;;calc 306430 / 2016
23:02	gribble	151.999007937
23:02	thestringpuller	;;calc 306432 / 2016
23:02	gribble	152
23:02	thestringpuller	there you go :P
23:02	thestringpuller	stop being pedantic
23:05	mircea_popescu	fence error
23:05	mircea_popescu	1st block is 0 ?
23:06	TheNewDeal	is that an answer?
23:07	mircea_popescu	benkay: petty. << i think it makes it quite clear who works for whom.
23:07	Vexual	its a question?
23:07	TheNewDeal	ahhh it must be
23:07	Vexual	must it
23:07	TheNewDeal	arithmetic...
23:08	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: no wait, tanks. it was tanks. << wanks of tanks ?
23:10	mircea_popescu	mdev: makes it hard to sell them, considering their increased value over time << this is the point where it stfus and goes read the log for the rest of 2014.
23:13	TheNewDeal	I'm kind of angry that the block reward halving doesn't occur on a multiple of 2016
23:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.30285714 = 2.12 BTC [+] {2}
23:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 181 @ 0.0029797 = 0.5393 BTC [-] {2}
23:24	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
23:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8383 @ 0.00086263 = 7.2314 BTC [+]
23:41	BingoBoingo	%book
23:41	atcbot	12k@270 25k@269 8k@256 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
23:45	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
23:48	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHdipo8R6IU
23:48	assbot	B.U.G. Mafia - Romaneste (Videoclip) - YouTube
23:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086179 = 6.8943 BTC [-]
23:53	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbfKxNjzxE0
23:53	assbot	Johnnie Johnson ~ Creek Mud - YouTube
23:55	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
23:58	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GecUBSccqqg
23:58	assbot	Katy Perry sings Niggas in Paris (Cover) Live Lounge - YouTube
23:59	TheNewDeal	%last_block
23:59	Vexual	%diff
23:59	xmj	Good Morning.
23:59	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 164505.44 in 1975 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -77.00

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