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00:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78550 @ 0.00036811 = 28.915 BTC [+]
00:11 * mod6 digs through debug.log
00:19 punkman mod6, this might be relevant https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d68dcf741e088d8d7033521aa1a1e5e87d9dd283
00:19 assbot Limit the impact of reorganisations on the database · d68dcf7 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaspC )
00:19 asciilifeform punkman: interesting find
00:20 punkman also commits on bottom of this page: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master/src/main.cpp?page=23
00:20 assbot History for src/main.cpp - bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaDkA )
00:21 * mod6 looks
00:22 punkman oh wait, not very relevant
00:24 punkman that sipa/unstuck commit caught my eye
00:30 mod6 asciilifeform: so is the thought to connect to nodes that are fully-sync'd? and the issue is that we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync?
00:31 mod6 I'm looking at your email (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html) and just wondering about this list...
00:31 asciilifeform either that, or reject garbage in some more efficient way
00:31 mod6 (that starts after this line: (Warning - long. You can safely skip to the end.))
00:31 mod6 ok. interesting. wonder if that relates to this:
00:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00038361 = 60.035 BTC [+]
00:34 mod6 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/921#issuecomment-5123768
00:34 assbot checkmark shows blockchain fully downloaded, but progress bar shows 99% · Issue #921 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY2Fhj )
00:35 mod6 anyway, guess it doesnt matter
00:35 mod6 is there an easy way to feed bitcoind a list of nodes that we want to use for seed?
00:36 asciilifeform mod6: iirc punkman found a way to roll them all into the config
00:36 asciilifeform (with no additional code)
00:36 punkman connect or addnode in bitcoin.conf should work
00:37 mod6 ahh, thats right!
00:37 mod6 good-ole ATC taught us that :]
00:37 mod6 aight. time to test this out.
00:38 asciilifeform mod6: we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync << we also get every new block thrown at us
00:38 asciilifeform whether ready or not
00:46 mod6 ok well asciilifeform, I think I'll try the first one in your list since it's 100% sync'd
00:46 mod6 as opposed to these:
00:46 asciilifeform mod6: you realize these are ancient numbers
00:46 asciilifeform of questionable veracity to begin with
00:46 ben_vulpes evening.
00:47 asciilifeform ben_vulpes!
00:47 ben_vulpes salud
00:47 ben_vulpes i come in unprepared for this conversation
00:47 mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ck6H6xwv
00:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY3TcH )
00:47 mod6 asciilifeform: oh the sipa txt is super old 'eh
00:47 asciilifeform mod6: i actually don't know precisely how old
00:48 asciilifeform but certainly not real-time current.
00:48 mod6 alright. thx.
00:49 ben_vulpes all of this over a few IPs
00:50 ben_vulpes peer discovery is totally fucked.
00:50 ben_vulpes unsurprising, but disappointing.
00:50 ben_vulpes sounds like it needs a bit of manual ass-kicking.
00:51 ben_vulpes now i understand how sensitive everyone is to the exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large, but i for one would greatly appreciate a few nodes of known vintage that would barf blocks to me at will for the testing of various bitcoinds.
00:52 asciilifeform exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large << wai wat?! how would node function off the net ?
00:52 * danielpbarron has two nodes on two different ips running different versions
00:53 ben_vulpes the foundation's resources are meager. big servers that can build in parallel and download many chains in parallel are probably not a feasible acquisition at this time.
00:53 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: there's a bit of difference between connecting a node to the net and putting the IP into -assets.
00:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120104 @ 0.00038367 = 46.0803 BTC [+] {2}
00:53 mod6 first one is muerte
00:53 * mod6 tries another
00:54 mod6 second one was active 1.34.180.245
00:55 * mod6 eats
00:57 asciilifeform mod6: use my liveness tester
00:59 * mod6 try it out
01:03 asciilifeform mod6: the second version posted uses lists of ip in plain ascii
01:04 mod6 yeah, using 2nd version. thanks!
01:05 punkman jurov, how come diff doesn't work http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/diff/src/main.cpp
01:05 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY5MWJ )
01:05 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if your node can't survive being linked in -assets, it probably isn't fit to fight in the great war
01:08 mod6 PASS: 0; FAIL 313500.
01:08 mod6 i must have done something wrong. but anyway, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
01:08 mod6 im gonna leave this sync run overnight.
01:09 mod6 for the record, its: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4 & 6 }
01:09 mod6 buenas noches b-a
01:10 ben_vulpes sleep well
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01:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62350 @ 0.00036807 = 22.9492 BTC [-] {2}
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02:01 cazalla i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014, in what.. 4 months.. https://www.quantcast.com/coinbrief.net vs https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
02:01 assbot Coinbrief.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/16g3fu2 )
02:01 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2UsSv )
02:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00036804 = 24.9531 BTC [-]
02:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.00036703 = 25.3434 BTC [-] {2}
02:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56505 @ 0.00037435 = 21.1526 BTC [+]
02:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4912 @ 0.00094242 = 4.6292 BTC [-] {24}
02:23 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fWhYJNZt08
02:23 assbot Dashcam footage captures Taiwan plane crash - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/16g5Xjk )
02:29 punkman "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer
02:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00036933 = 8.5685 BTC [-]
02:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92187 @ 0.00036525 = 33.6713 BTC [-] {2}
02:48 cazalla punkman, horry sheet
03:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 407904 @ 0.00037601 = 153.376 BTC [+] {4}
03:07 punkman http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/85000/85218/MediterraneanSea_amo_2015032_lrg.jpg
03:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18Mx3QS )
03:07 punkman it's been dusty
03:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156057 @ 0.00038379 = 59.8931 BTC [+] {2}
03:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103315 @ 0.00038521 = 39.798 BTC [+] {2}
03:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90450 @ 0.00036231 = 32.7709 BTC [-]
03:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167720 @ 0.00037933 = 63.6212 BTC [+]
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03:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173350 @ 0.00036705 = 63.6281 BTC [-] {3}
04:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158000 @ 0.00036121 = 57.0712 BTC [-] {2}
04:17 danielpbarron ;;later tell LainZ gribble> New rating | LainZ > 1 > pankkake | bitcoin enthusiast, miss his trolling on #b-a << wrong WoT -- assbot forked it
04:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229700 @ 0.0003652 = 83.8864 BTC [+] {2}
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04:54 danielpbarron ;;rated irdial
04:54 gribble You rated user irdial on Mon Jan 12 17:05:35 2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: blocked me on twitter, but i forgive him. https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/514374369569939456.
04:54 danielpbarron !rated irdial
04:54 assbot irdial is not registered in WoT.
04:55 danielpbarron ;;later tell kakobrekla ^ ??
04:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:56 danielpbarron wanted to do this -> !rate irdial -2 UnSavory Garnish http://twitter.com/beautyon_/status/562908880511201280
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04:56 assbot Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin http://t.co/bTDihYENyC
04:56 kakobrekla >Mon Jan 12
04:56 kakobrekla after fork
04:56 danielpbarron ah
04:57 danielpbarron well that makes sense considering what he just said to me on twitter
04:59 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/is-bitnplay-a-case-of-shuffle-up-and-steal/
05:02 cazalla i thought maybe irdial drank more than me but who knows
05:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00036019 = 22.9081 BTC [-] {3}
05:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143000 @ 0.00036893 = 52.757 BTC [+]
05:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00037048 = 18.2647 BTC [+]
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06:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154800 @ 0.00037071 = 57.3859 BTC [+] {2}
06:15 adlai "Job Title / Occupation" the only possible answer i can find to this question is "Palestine", but i don't think that's what they're asking for
06:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00037229 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2}
06:25 mthreat ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm going to try sending a bitcoin txn today from antarctica. the amount will be 0.1337 btc
06:25 gribble The operation succeeded.
06:30 cazalla mthreat, is that a first?
06:30 jurov you're sending it to mpex? as gracious donation to shareholders?
06:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217650 @ 0.00037875 = 82.4349 BTC [+] {2}
06:33 mthreat cazalla: I'm not sure, but I'll claim it and see wh ochallenges it ;) Kind of like how countries claimed parts of antarctica when they arrived.
06:33 mthreat jurov: i'm sending it as a donation, sure. MP said he would send it back if I want.
06:34 cazalla well, let me know when it's done and the transaction ID and i'll post it up on qntra as the first when i wake in the morning
06:34 jurov do you have la serenissima flag to claim it?
06:39 mthreat cazalla: Here it is: https://blockchain.info/tx/4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d
06:39 assbot Bitcoin Transaction 4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxdNQt )
06:40 jurov it says gulf of guinea!!! scam!!1
06:40 cazalla lol scam
06:41 cazalla i'm headed to bed, i'll figure it out in the morn
06:41 mthreat Here's exactly where I am, for the details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Lockroy
06:41 assbot Port Lockroy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxe2eo )
06:41 mthreat and my tweet: https://twitter.com/mthreat/status/562938829267808259
06:41 assbot I just sent a 0.1337 bitcoin transaction from Port Lockroy, Antarctica - https://t.co/wV7cVjqjk2
06:41 jurov (;
06:48 jurov congrats!
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07:05 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 5514.50957001 BTC. Current weight: 3,130.
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07:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150700 @ 0.00037924 = 57.1515 BTC [+]
07:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244199 @ 0.00037928 = 92.6198 BTC [+] {2}
07:56 BingoBoingo !up hdbuck
07:56 BingoBoingo Hello hdbuck
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08:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00037933 = 29.5688 BTC [+]
08:19 adlai bitcoin hasn't been in space yet, right? iirc somebody sent chris hadfield a changetip, but that's not bitcoin...
08:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228150 @ 0.00038056 = 86.8248 BTC [+] {3}
08:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98050 @ 0.00037634 = 36.9001 BTC [-]
08:30 jurov gotta launch the pogoplug
08:33 jurov int space
08:34 mod6 morning. ok lastnights test wedged going against a fully-loaded 70002 seed: http://pastebin.com/4Ps9ZxDJ
08:34 assbot root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uXfhyQ )
08:35 mod6 no worries, gotta run though, will test direct against a 50300 later tonight.
08:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23451 @ 0.00037104 = 8.7013 BTC [-]
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08:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126549 @ 0.00037104 = 46.9547 BTC [-]
09:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167186 @ 0.00038011 = 63.5491 BTC [+] {3}
09:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00096846 = 1.4527 BTC [-] {5}
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09:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42751 @ 0.00037261 = 15.9295 BTC [-]
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09:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270082 @ 0.00036266 = 97.9479 BTC [-] {3}
10:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109753 @ 0.00037063 = 40.6778 BTC [+]
10:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32396 @ 0.00037063 = 12.0069 BTC [+]
10:05 mircea_popescu o hey, first antarctica bitcoin tx ?
10:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277142 @ 0.00036543 = 101.276 BTC [-] {3}
10:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78558 @ 0.00035949 = 28.2408 BTC [-]
10:11 mircea_popescu mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001.
10:11 mircea_popescu this causes oom errors because narrow space for orphans.
10:11 mircea_popescu it MAY be a subtle off-by-one error somewhere in the code.
10:12 mircea_popescu note that none of the blocvks you receive match your sent getdata.
10:15 mircea_popescu the fact that no checkpoints means no error would perhaps bolster the "bad code, off by one" hypothesis and relate it to the checkpoints implementation.
10:16 mircea_popescu decimation: from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this << remember the lulzy "need immigration to maintain geniusness of industree" paul graham nonsense ?
10:16 mircea_popescu aka "too many english speakers read trilema, lol @ us, need fresh turnip trucks plox"
10:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54972 @ 0.00038081 = 20.9339 BTC [+] {2}
10:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd. << while the principle is correct, in point of fact i would like this experimentally tried in our current case.
10:24 mircea_popescu roughly speaking, my rationale is like this : because a large chunk of fixed data is always present (the actual blockchain), should a 100gb ssd be blessed with a 4gb swap partition, the drive finds itself in the position where the 100gb * 10k (say) writes are available as such : 100gb of them for the actual data, and 100gb * 9999 for the 4gb partition.
10:24 mircea_popescu obviously 250`000 full rewrites of the swap means a decade or more of intense usage, and so, a perfectly economic use of the ssd in question.
10:25 mircea_popescu so danielpbarron, if you feel like trying a generous swap on one of the pogos, with the understanding that the ssd disk you put in there will likely fry, please do so, and document the exeriment as well as possible.
10:26 danielpbarron k
10:28 mircea_popescu it's an ideal usecase for the "use ssd until it fries" because the value of running a pogo is in its running. so a pogo that ran for 3.5 years then died, had part replaced and resynced over three weeks then ran for another 3.5 years is a perfectly functional, 99.999% uptime pogo as good as any other.
10:28 mircea_popescu same can almost never be said of catastrophic failure hdd system.
10:34 thestringpuller who cares about hdd's frying when you gotz da raidz
10:34 thestringpuller hot swap those bitches
10:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00039079 = 66.0435 BTC [+] {3}
10:38 thestringpuller http://newsbtc.com/2015/02/04/st-petersburg-bowl-bitpay-sponsor-nascar-driver/ << so bitpay is going the way of dogecoin
10:39 thestringpuller "Mass Adoption! Ya ya ya!"
10:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed << yeah it's one of those serious issues that should have been on teh priority list of actual core devs. in 2012.
10:40 mircea_popescu mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that?? << completely misunderstanding that.
10:40 mircea_popescu the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else.
10:40 thestringpuller RE Tax man accepting bitcoin from yesterday logs: http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/02/04/new-hampshire-bill-backs-bitcoin-for-state-taxes/
10:42 thestringpuller o look mircea_popescu the author is in your neck of the woods: "Belén Marty is the Libertarian Latina, a journalist based in Buenos Aires, Argentina."
10:42 mircea_popescu she can figure out how to get in here like anyone else.
10:42 mircea_popescu my neck of the woods is a city larger than all of california.
10:46 fluffypony http://www.savagechickens.com/wp-content/uploads/chickenhappy70.jpg
10:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8P3ON )
10:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166400 @ 0.00038906 = 64.7396 BTC [-]
10:46 mircea_popescu heh
10:48 mircea_popescu cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014 << i have never heard of it, but mebbe ask em if they want to join in ?
10:48 mircea_popescu seems a lone guy with enough irl acumen to make a corp.
10:48 mircea_popescu punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer << did he actually point to the distinction or merely presume it ?
10:55 mircea_popescu assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin << pics! http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bonafide-1.jpg http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bonafide-2.jpg
10:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8SxRx )
10:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8SAws )
10:56 fluffypony lol
10:56 mircea_popescu (that's what the azns call a love hotel, above. and that's a [cheap] whore cafe)
10:58 mircea_popescu mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details << yeh but how are we to verify!
10:58 mircea_popescu maybe you're hanging out with capitanich all along!
10:59 punkman mircea_popescu: I presume the guy's closing argument was him flapping his hands
10:59 mircea_popescu lol
11:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00038906 = 46.2592 BTC [-]
11:09 mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/hZVCehf8 << for your editorial consideration.
11:09 assbot Title : IBL, almost larger than IRL. First ever (as far as we currently know - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0MG0M )
11:12 mircea_popescu "Bitnplay's failure to launch comes off the back of what can only be described as a disappointing result in an attempt to raise 400 BTC. Offering a total of 200 tokens to investors via CounterParty, Bitnplay managed to sell a grand total of 5, netting them 10 BTC."
11:12 mircea_popescu lawl.
11:14 jurov re:pogostick swap woes - has anyone tried to enable zram?
11:15 mircea_popescu wouldn't that slow it down futher ? cpu wise i mean
11:15 mircea_popescu and also, isn't it merged into kernel by now ?
11:18 jurov it must be enabled in any case
11:19 jurov compressed in-memory swap is not suitable for everything by default
11:19 mircea_popescu this is true.
11:24 PeterL mircea_popescu:the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. << add another command to assbot to collect ip addrs?
11:25 mircea_popescu nah, people can just use deedbot
11:27 jurov half of our condo got flooded from somewhere two stories above. phun.
11:28 jurov i've got only a puddle fortunately.
11:28 mircea_popescu what aobut the people one story above ? enjoying the free water ?
11:31 jurov yea "tomorrow we have a visitation at work i was not sleeping at night last few days and now this!!!"
11:32 mircea_popescu visitation ?!
11:32 mircea_popescu that's jesus showing up you know.
11:32 jurov lolk
11:32 jurov inspection
11:33 mircea_popescu i liked visitaiton better :D makes the story lulzier
11:34 jurov tap water is off. time to open beer!
11:41 danielpbarron height=183146
11:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00038906 = 13.686 BTC [-]
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00039001 = 65.0342 BTC [+] {4}
12:01 asciilifeform 275384
12:06 mircea_popescu gee, almost fully synced ?
12:07 mircea_popescu has it even been a full week ?
12:07 mircea_popescu http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports#comment-597330 << check it out, mako guy actually published my comment.
12:07 assbot Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ffdW )
12:07 davout asciilifeform: that's the pogo??
12:07 mircea_popescu where's that head explosion gif
12:07 mircea_popescu davout afaik it's a pc with memory restraints and valgrind
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~3 days
12:09 asciilifeform davout: nope. bastard node test on x86.
12:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no restraints on that box, just valgrind
12:09 mircea_popescu oh oh
12:09 mircea_popescu so how much memory ?
12:10 asciilifeform 8g
12:10 mircea_popescu yeah well then not saying much.
12:10 mircea_popescu you still got a pogo running ?
12:10 asciilifeform not presently
12:10 asciilifeform disassembled for attachment of jtag probes
12:10 asciilifeform but didn't quite get around to it yet
12:10 asciilifeform i promised folks a working buildroot for that thing
12:12 asciilifeform also jurov's zram idea is actually a good one
12:12 asciilifeform there's cpu to spare
12:12 davout !s if you can't stop fucking with it
12:12 assbot 1 results for 'if you can't stop fucking with it' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+can%27t+stop+fucking+with+it
12:12 davout :D
12:12 asciilifeform davout: funnily enough i've a second
12:12 asciilifeform davout: but it's reserved for autodefloration test
12:13 asciilifeform davout: haven't even taken it out of the crate yet
12:13 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> there's cpu to spare << funnily enough, what the power rangers wish to fix is... cpu speed.
12:13 mircea_popescu with a change of curves.
12:13 asciilifeform wai srsly?
12:13 davout i tried getting a pogo on amazon, for some retarded reason the price in euros is like 60
12:13 asciilifeform this was actually shat forth?
12:13 mircea_popescu ask davout he was there :D
12:13 davout and if i buy in usd i have like ~50 USD shipping
12:14 thestringpuller mircea_popescu but you don't watch sports
12:14 mircea_popescu davout would it make sense to make a large buy in us and ship to eu ?
12:14 mircea_popescu thestringpuller i also don't watch porn. doesn't mean i can't discuss itcompetently.
12:14 asciilifeform davout: at least you can get it, in theory; iirc in the land of the colocolo and ocelot they cannot be had except by human courier
12:15 davout mircea_popescu: i'll look a bit harder if i can't find them for cheaper first
12:15 thestringpuller Do you like golf? that seems like a sport you'd enjoy
12:15 mircea_popescu kk
12:15 asciilifeform over here i can order now and it'll show by 8'oclock today
12:15 thestringpuller asciilifeform: do you ever leave the house?
12:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, get me like a dozen, bring em over at conference.
12:15 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you remind me of sean connery in Finding Forrester.
12:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: certainly.
12:16 mircea_popescu wh ty.
12:16 mircea_popescu i dunno how bulky they are/what they weigh, but w/e's convenient.
12:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do we wish them to remain in their original crates?
12:17 mircea_popescu i don't care.
12:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: then - naked.
12:17 mircea_popescu not that specific about number, either, just, bring as many as you can carry.
12:17 jurov http://www.amazon.de/Cloud-Engines-Pogoplug-Biz-Adapter/dp/B004VSKJ62/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1423070142&sr=8-3&keywords=pogoplug
12:17 assbot Cloud Engines Pogoplug Biz USB NAS Adapter: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsJnkZ )
12:17 jurov "only" 23+5 eur
12:17 jurov and that if you know anyone in germany
12:17 asciilifeform jurov, davout: incidentally, 'pogo' is not the only supplier of this kind of thing. 'seagate' has a device with, iirc, identical pcb
12:17 asciilifeform and a few others
12:18 asciilifeform i just picked the price winner.
12:18 asciilifeform from my own perch
12:18 asciilifeform might vary elsewhere
12:18 mircea_popescu im actually having most courriers drag a bag of the shits on their way.
12:18 davout asciilifeform: ah nice, if you have a list i'd be interdasted in looking into it
12:18 mircea_popescu it'll get to where customs will be able to entirely identify my network by keepying track of bags of pogos ffs.
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173085 @ 0.0003925 = 67.9359 BTC [+] {2}
12:18 punkman who manufactures the pogo?
12:18 punkman globalscale?
12:19 asciilifeform punkman: i have not yet discovered the answer to this.
12:19 punkman ah cloud engines maybe
12:20 asciilifeform thestringpuller: do you ever leave the house << i do have a day job, as i think i mentioned. it doesn't have fixed hours as such, but i'm away from my perch fairly often.
12:20 davout i'm starting to suspect you can't get them in yurp without some kind of subscription
12:20 thestringpuller mircea_popescu soon to become the han solo of Argentina.
12:20 asciilifeform brb teatime
12:21 thestringpuller ^- this guy makes me happy
12:21 mircea_popescu davout if all else fails you can have some of mine, also at conference o.O
12:21 davout re pogo plug in europe -> http://i.imgur.com/7mtvBR3.png
12:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsK9OY )
12:21 mircea_popescu this is starting to be so much like soviet russia in 1985 it boggles the mind.
12:21 mircea_popescu 90 euros wtf ?!
12:22 davout ikr
12:22 mircea_popescu hm, ok, this is highly suspekt.
12:22 punkman loss leader only in bezzleland
12:22 mircea_popescu clearly.
12:22 fluffypony I ordered two off eBay
12:22 punkman there has to be some chinese knockoff
12:22 mircea_popescu fluffypony how much were they ? did you get them ?
12:23 fluffypony lemme check price
12:23 fluffypony they're in country at customs, should be delivered
12:23 fluffypony by Monday at the latest
12:23 fluffypony it's through eBay's Global Shipping Program
12:23 davout in two weeks(tm)
12:23 fluffypony so via Fedex
12:23 fluffypony and you pay for customs / duties up-front
12:23 fluffypony http://www.ebay.com/itm/391010802864
12:23 assbot New Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6iKRG )
12:24 fluffypony so for two I paid
12:24 punkman still $50+
12:24 fluffypony ORDER TOTAL US $52.60
12:24 fluffypony + US $20.74 shipping
12:24 fluffypony + US $16.26 customs
12:25 mod6 << completely misunderstanding that. << ok gotcha.
12:25 fluffypony $44.80 including delivery and customs (per Pogo)
12:25 mircea_popescu aha
12:25 mod6 mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001. << see line 40 of this paste: http://pastebin.com/iweEQCpu
12:25 assbot root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6j9Ue )
12:25 mod6 or internal log number: 1805961
12:26 mircea_popescu o wow
12:26 mod6 1805961 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 work=243841112905690411140
12:26 mircea_popescu invalid block=0000000000000a40136b << can oyu dig this thing up and post it please ?
12:26 mod6 anyway, just thought i'd stop in and update you quick. thanks for looking!!
12:27 mod6 dig it up from ? the debug log?
12:27 mircea_popescu ideally as a signed blob on the mailing list. "This is block 0000000000000a40136b, reported as invalid so and so"
12:27 mod6 i can't do much more from where i'm at right now, 'cept google perhaps.
12:27 thestringpuller jurov: thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js ?? you aware of this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/ << good stuff. buttcoin seems to have more real people than r/bitcoin
12:27 mod6 ah. ok yeah, i can do that tonight.
12:27 mircea_popescu no no, dig it up from your memory pool i guess
12:27 mircea_popescu no huge rush
12:27 mircea_popescu but it'll have to be dissected.
12:28 mircea_popescu thestringpuller that's because it has fewer.
12:29 mod6 mircea_popescu: ok. i'll check back in tonight, see what I can do.
12:29 mircea_popescu cool.
12:30 punkman http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms < various other plugs listed here
12:30 assbot Platforms | Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsLPI0 )
12:33 jurov http://pogoplug.com/devices *Due to overwhelming demand, we are currently out of stock in the UK and Europe.
12:33 assbot Pogoplug Devices: Back Up, Access and Share From Anywhere ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsMb1m )
12:33 mircea_popescu heh.
12:35 punkman does the pogoplug need any proprietary blobs?
12:35 mircea_popescu nop
12:37 trinque my btcd for deedbot has been belching about orphan blocks for a day, ever since it got to about two days ago in the blockchain
12:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104750 @ 0.00039253 = 41.1175 BTC [+]
12:40 mircea_popescu horribru error report.
12:42 mthreat <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!
12:42 mircea_popescu o hey cool going!
12:42 thestringpuller "Getting fired from reddit sucks, but the support I've received from the bitcoin community is incredible. Free market social safety net." << "Why work when you can get donations for being a 'victim'."
12:43 thestringpuller my god
12:43 thestringpuller d00d gets fired for being unemployable so derps will throw money at him so he can eat? this is definition of socialism no?!?!?
12:45 mircea_popescu eh simmer down. what money.
12:46 thestringpuller changetip / "attempts" at crowdfunding / "pledges" / and other various donations.
12:46 trinque thestringpuller: what do you have against kim kardashian's ass?
12:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134000 @ 0.00038018 = 50.9441 BTC [-] {2}
12:48 thestringpuller trinque: i don't think I do have an issue with her badonkadonk. it's not my problem?
12:48 mircea_popescu changetip ? srsly ?
12:49 trinque thestringpuller: twas just a joke about the various forms of internet celebrity theater
12:49 thestringpuller i have minor respect for kim cause she released sex tape and made career after that
12:49 thestringpuller but i guess her dad made deal with devil when defending OJ so whole family can have money
12:50 nubbins` thestringpuller, if her dad was anyone else, she would not have made a "career" out of a sex tape
12:50 thestringpuller ^- that was my point
12:50 nubbins` a career on redtube, maybe
12:50 nubbins` so unless you're saying you respect her because her dad went to law school...
12:50 nubbins` no entiendo
12:51 nubbins` see also paris hilton
12:51 thestringpuller well her career improved vs. say paris hilton
12:51 mircea_popescu nubbins` orly? who was her dad ?
12:51 nubbins` mircea_popescu oj simpson lawyer
12:51 mircea_popescu o wow srsly ?
12:51 nubbins` yes
12:51 thestringpuller robert kardashian
12:51 mircea_popescu hadno idea.
12:51 nubbins` this is the only reason her face is everywhere
12:51 mircea_popescu anyway, girl's got a great ass. that's an... asset.
12:51 nubbins` oj's lawyer's daughter sucking cock on film
12:51 mircea_popescu no it's not.
12:51 thestringpuller you know everyone on cochran's team who defended oj is dead
12:52 mircea_popescu she is objectively a hot woman, and she understands feminity well enough to behave rationally.
12:52 nubbins` sure. the world is full of objectively hot women, many of them hotter than her
12:52 nubbins` (objectively)
12:52 mircea_popescu one could argue idiotic us internet feminism is to blame for reducing her competition, at most.
12:52 mircea_popescu right. but they're stupid and fat.
12:54 nubbins` so's the rest of her famous family
12:54 mircea_popescu what do i care about her family.
12:55 nubbins` all of a sudden it's about you?!
12:55 nubbins` https://www.google.ca/search?q=kardashian+gossip&tbm=isch
12:55 assbot kardashian gossip - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6oivx )
12:55 thestringpuller "armenians are the black version of white people"
12:56 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/c00cRKV.jpg
12:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ow5G )
12:56 thestringpuller her husband has higher net worth than her
12:56 nubbins` y'know, this would probably still be international news if this woman wasn't the sister of the porn star oj simpson lawyer daughter
12:56 thestringpuller and kanye is a shitty businessman
12:57 nubbins` if there's one thing that would make me permanently switch supermarkets, it'd be a couple of checkout aisles free from gossip mags
12:57 nubbins` even just one
12:57 thestringpuller because Jay-Z associates with these people rather than being a true G is why Dr. Dre beat him to the billionaire club.
12:57 nubbins` A++++++ would wait in line again
12:58 thestringpuller nubbins`: Whole Foods doesn't have gossip mags
12:58 trinque nubbins`: I don't see them at whole foods or zuppans
12:58 thestringpuller but it's replaced with "hipster mags"
12:58 nubbins` i thought dre made it because he was a killer producer
12:58 trinque yeh
12:58 mircea_popescu you know, since i don't watch tv or supermarket, i may not be as aggressed as you are by this shit :D
12:58 nubbins` t*: we don't have "whole foods" here.
12:58 nubbins` mircea_popescu it's slightly more assaulting than billboard ads
12:58 thestringpuller marketing is rape
12:58 nubbins` i haven't "watched tv" in maybe 7 years
12:59 nubbins` 8 if you count english-language
12:59 trinque yelling on the street corner != rape
12:59 mircea_popescu anyway, i much prefer kim to say michelle obama.
12:59 mircea_popescu not to mention out and out idiots a la hess or whatever, goodman.
12:59 thestringpuller nubbins`: dre is a killer producer, but not nearly the same genius as say quincy jones. He made great business bets in comparison to Jay-Z.
12:59 mircea_popescu more girls like kim plox.
12:59 nubbins` MICHELLE OBAMA: PREGNANT BY ONE MAN, IN LOVE WITH ANOTHER
12:59 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-january-2015-statement/
13:00 nubbins` thestringpuller he also stepped out of his comfort zone. guy produced a NIN album!
13:00 nubbins` trinque +1
13:00 thestringpuller nubbins`: yea the fragile.
13:00 nubbins` marketing is an assault on the sensibilities of all reasonable people
13:00 mircea_popescu <trinque> yelling on the street corner != rape <<< seems exactly what it come to mean these days.
13:00 thestringpuller nubbins`: that as only one track tho, and that's cause Trent and Dre were friends throughout the late 90's.
13:01 nubbins` too true
13:01 nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dre_production_discography
13:01 assbot Dr. Dre production discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6pBKU )
13:01 nubbins` anyway
13:01 nubbins` not really my thing but w/e. guy knows how to make money
13:03 thestringpuller ^- that's my point
13:03 thestringpuller and Jay-Z associates with people who don't.
13:03 thestringpuller which is why Dre beat him to Billionaire land
13:05 mircea_popescu !up phillipsjk
13:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.0003785 = 27.8008 BTC [-]
13:08 asciilifeform anybody bother to look into the competitors of 'pogo' (seagate nas, etc.) ?
13:10 trinque http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/?h <<< LOL
13:10 assbot What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyeUG )
13:10 nubbins` i think seagate has a cloud thing but it's $$$
13:11 nubbins` there's no "buy it w/o the drive" version
13:11 asciilifeform nubbins`: they have a whole line
13:11 trinque among other lols, they want to eat docker, manage your firewall, make the logger speak http...
13:11 asciilifeform incl. one that looked quite like pogo, physically
13:11 asciilifeform (small pedestal for single drive.)
13:11 punkman http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-Powered-Ports-100563416/dp/B002DH40ZY/
13:11 assbot Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent Go Dock+ with 3 Powered USB Ports 100563416 (White): Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyrHA )
13:11 punkman also $13
13:11 asciilifeform there we go
13:11 asciilifeform that's the one
13:12 asciilifeform or actually no.
13:12 nubbins` is that not literally just a usb hub with a hdd attachment?
13:12 asciilifeform that's an analogue cradle
13:12 nubbins` http://www.amazon.ca/Seagate-Central-Personal-Storage-STCG2000100/dp/B00ARB5FPM/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1423073439&sr=1-2&keywords=seagate+cloud
13:12 assbot Seagate Central 2TB Personal Cloud Storage NAS STCG2000100: Amazon.ca: Computers & Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyBi2 )
13:12 nubbins` ^ nb price for 2tb
13:13 asciilifeform it was, iirc, the 'goflex'
13:13 mircea_popescu trinque lmao. it's so funnay.
13:14 nubbins` asciilifeform i have a goflex, it's just a hdd with a cradle
13:14 nubbins` maybe the "dockstar"?
13:14 nubbins` ;;google seagate dockstar
13:14 asciilifeform hm
13:14 gribble Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent DockStar Network Adapter ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-DockStar-Network-STDSA10G-RK/dp/B002MRRU6G>; DockStar | Seagate: <http://www.seagate.com/support/external-hard-drives/network-storage/dockstar/>; Seagate DockStar | Arch Linux ARM: <http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-dockstar>
13:14 nubbins` first one
13:14 asciilifeform http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/seagate/goflexnet
13:14 assbot Seagate GoFlexNet [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dez6J5 )
13:14 asciilifeform ^ that one
13:14 nubbins` o
13:14 nubbins` i have "goflex desk"
13:15 nubbins` i also have a "goflex tv" which might fit the bill.
13:15 mircea_popescu "minimal firewall support, which is service oriented. Ie: allow Apache access in the firewall instead of saying "allow port :80″ access."
13:15 asciilifeform incidentally, above link has jtag mapping that ought to work for all the marvell boards
13:15 mircea_popescu happens to be the longest idiocy on linux forums. noob user on ubuntu moved from windows "how do i get zone alarm for linux"
13:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lemme guess, string/path matching
13:16 mircea_popescu answer, always "stupid idea, forget it.
13:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: like winblows phirewall
13:16 mircea_popescu noob, usually "fu why so elitist"
13:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently they fell out of the windows tree and hit every branch on the way down.
13:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now try expanded mindfuck. think of what this picture will look like once apple implodes.
13:16 mircea_popescu the notion that someone still takes this guy seriously is irreconcilable with the notion that people are born human.
13:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it will look excellent : us on top of the world.
13:17 mircea_popescu to quote myself, "people we don't like fighting each other, an ode"
13:18 mircea_popescu "networkd: because networking is such a basic function of the OS, he believes it should be in systemd"
13:18 mircea_popescu hehehehe
13:18 asciilifeform the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate
13:18 mircea_popescu "systemd wrote their own dhcp library"
13:18 asciilifeform this, in effect, is what i'm seeing in apple
13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44954 @ 0.0003785 = 17.0151 BTC [-]
13:18 mircea_popescu "out of bits and pieces nsa had lying around for a decade or so"
13:19 asciilifeform when it finally pops, all of those folks will come screaming into what's left of 'entry linux'
13:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i saw those in mass.
13:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they're in the whole east usa
13:19 mircea_popescu they don't actually eat the wood tho. but suck the tree dry anyway
13:19 asciilifeform leaves
13:19 asciilifeform pick'em clean
13:20 mircea_popescu "combining nspawn (containers) and networkd (dhcp) allows for easier network management of containers. Networkd can also run inside the container. Outside the container networkd can pick a free DHCP IP for that container. Allows v4 to v6 network masquarading automatically. Does not involve dnsmasq, everything is routed via IP on the kernel (no bridging)."
13:20 trinque looks like they want to kill etc too
13:20 mircea_popescu this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"
13:20 asciilifeform kill etc << apple killed it long ago
13:20 asciilifeform the systemd folks are emulating apple, not (intentionally) microshit
13:20 nubbins` seems goflex tv is based on realtek 1073
13:21 trinque mircea_popescu: this is *absolutely* about some kind of "managed linux" thing on your phone/tablet/whatever
13:21 mircea_popescu "cast nameserver resolution, as used by Windows"
13:22 trinque big wink at the camera there
13:22 mircea_popescu journald-remoting: the binary logger now has remote support (aka: remoting) via HTTP (instead of the syslog protocol, which isn't standardized (ie: no timezones, single-line logs only, ...)
13:22 nubbins` ethernet, usb built in as well
13:22 mircea_popescu ahahaha, syslog is "not standardized"
13:22 mircea_popescu systemd crap, is.
13:22 mircea_popescu ok enough of this idiocy for one day.
13:22 asciilifeform embrace/extend/extinguish, mega-snore.
13:22 nubbins` oh, that's a MIPS processor
13:23 asciilifeform nubbins`: i found the box in question. seagate's 'freeagent dockstar'
13:23 nubbins` [14:44:17] <+nubbins`> maybe the "dockstar"?
13:23 nubbins` +1
13:23 asciilifeform aha
13:23 asciilifeform that was it
13:23 nubbins` what sorta chip's that running on?
13:23 nubbins` marvell kirkwood
13:23 nubbins` 1200mhz!
13:24 chetty <mircea_popescu> this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"//won't be long till the computer controls the user
13:24 asciilifeform circa '09, however
13:24 asciilifeform can't determine if still made
13:24 nubbins` asciilifeform is linux on MIPS a thing i should bother looking into re: goflex tv?
13:24 asciilifeform nubbins`: i'm speaking through a mips/bsd box right now
13:24 nubbins` ah
13:25 nubbins` http://www.svplannet.com/userfiles/lg_images/Seagate_Freeagent_Goflex_Tv_Hd_Media_Player.jpg
13:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uxQ7 )
13:25 nubbins` ^ that's what i've got kicking around
13:25 nubbins` will fit a SATA drive inside, altho mine currently only uses thumbdrives for storage
13:26 felipelalli Let me ask one thing guys about MPEx website: why not the total shared issued is displayed at http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.QNTR ? Wouldn't it be a useful information? I could find this info on http://trilema.com/2014/qntra-sqntr-october-2014-statement/ but I think it is handy to display on the stock page. Thanks.
13:26 assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uKmk )
13:26 asciilifeform nubbins`: video thing?
13:26 mircea_popescu chetty given some users, this would be a net gain.
13:26 nubbins` yeah, little media player.
13:26 nubbins` netflix, youtube, etc players built in as well
13:26 ben_vulpes buenos
13:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89971 @ 0.00039278 = 35.3388 BTC [+] {2}
13:27 nubbins` unfortunately the netflix app is hard-coded to USA service (!!!!)
13:27 mircea_popescu felipelalli because it keeps changing.
13:27 nubbins` so useless to me from the get-go for that
13:27 felipelalli mircea_popescu: thank you.
13:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48929 @ 0.00039342 = 19.2496 BTC [+]
13:28 mircea_popescu http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/#comment-10997 just in case.
13:28 assbot What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6vh7L )
13:28 felipelalli mircea_popescu: are there a place where I can find the current total shares or just reading the statements?
13:29 mircea_popescu well yes,. the statements
13:29 mircea_popescu this is how all stock exchanges work, incidentally.
13:29 mircea_popescu the exchange engine itself is not aware of the conventions regarding the corporation. those are registered separately.
13:29 mircea_popescu more importantly : you should not trade a stock you've not read the reports for.
13:32 ben_vulpes funny news
13:32 ben_vulpes our municipal client now requires that we carry "cyber liability insurance"
13:33 mircea_popescu lol wassat ?
13:33 asciilifeform wai wat
13:33 ben_vulpes FUCK IF I KNOW
13:33 felipelalli mircea_popescu: thanks, makes sense.
13:33 mircea_popescu clearly you need it then.
13:33 mircea_popescu "#1 Online Agent for Cyber Liability Insurance 175,000 businesses served since 1997" - "insureon"
13:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67371 @ 0.00039353 = 26.5125 BTC [+] {2}
13:34 ben_vulpes more bezzletronic scams.
13:34 ben_vulpes insurance! scam!
13:34 mircea_popescu i just put a "get online quote" for "stock brokers"
13:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273618 @ 0.00039426 = 107.8766 BTC [+] {4}
13:35 mircea_popescu because yeah, totally. that's how it works. you pick "stock brokers" from a list containing stuff like "laundry services" and get a quote
13:35 asciilifeform by the pound?
13:35 ben_vulpes how does one pick a stock broker?
13:35 mircea_popescu "What is the zip code of your primary business location?"
13:35 * ben_vulpes is a pauper, wouldn't know
13:35 mircea_popescu check it out, the zip where my stock brokering is primarily stock brokered.
13:35 * ben_vulpes barely qualifies for the explicitly front-run brokers
13:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes kinda like you pick a girlfriend : have your friends recommend someone.
13:36 mircea_popescu anyway, maybe tell them it's THEIR job to get insurance ? as you're not actually keeping their dbs ? or are you ?
13:36 ben_vulpes girls just show up in my life - stockbrokers, not so much.
13:37 ben_vulpes it's on some paas-y thing
13:37 mircea_popescu seems like a sad attempt to pass costs along to contractors.
13:37 ben_vulpes fuck that i ain't holding no bags
13:37 mircea_popescu anyway, tell them it'll be ~4500 more per month, and as if they're sure.
13:37 ben_vulpes actually its fine
13:37 ben_vulpes dev shops should carry more responsibility for produced work anyways.
13:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70502 @ 0.0003785 = 26.685 BTC [-]
13:38 mircea_popescu the db leak liability attaches to operator.
13:38 mircea_popescu unless they're paying you for saas, in which case, i would hope you're executing them six to eight digits anually.
13:38 ben_vulpes mnah
13:39 ben_vulpes commodity saas vendor, we just write and derploy der coden
13:39 mircea_popescu welllll in THAT case...
13:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115543 @ 0.00037498 = 43.3263 BTC [-] {2}
13:41 asciilifeform http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_164529.html?currency=USD&gclid=CjwKEAiAo8emBRCX_OqU4qek6y8SJACzgf8fItxlMkPEh8mQ51Onl4aKr3o31T6wsIcm8FwdwzKuDxoCR2bw_wcB
13:41 assbot DealsMachine: V8 Single Core 512M DDR3 Linux Miracast Wireless iPush Airplay DLNA TV Stick Built-in HDMI/Wifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF6kS )
13:41 felipelalli let me ask you guys another thing: I'm using coinbr.com to buy S.MPOE shares. I received this receipt: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=L1Bv8GFg what proves I have created the order. But after the order is filled, where is the proof that 270 S.MPOE are mine? What happen if CoinBr.com just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? How could I recover this?
13:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF7p8 )
13:41 asciilifeform ^ wireless, usb only for storage
13:41 asciilifeform 512mb.
13:41 * xanthyos
13:42 asciilifeform there also appear to be at least half a dozen compatible products, of similar cost.
13:42 mike_c ;;gettrust felipelalli jurov
13:42 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
13:42 mike_c oops. old habits
13:42 * asciilifeform is not especially fond of wireless net for this application
13:42 mike_c !gettrust felipelalli jurov
13:42 assbot Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/felipelalli/jurov | http://w.b-a.link/user/jurov
13:43 mike_c felipelalli: ^ that is your protection against coinbr disappearing.
13:44 jurov felipelalli: also, what happen if MPEx just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? Same thing.
13:46 felipelalli actually they (CoinBr.com) hold the shares for me in CoinBr MPEx account, isn't it? Just to know if I am missing something.
13:46 jurov yes
13:47 felipelalli perfect! thank you.
13:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.00039594 = 37.0996 BTC [+] {2}
13:52 felipelalli jurov: just now I noticed "they" are actually "you". :) Thanks.
13:52 felipelalli !rate jurov 1 "coinbr.com owner, great job, I trust him."
13:52 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8516d6f71a1c731d
13:54 jurov :)
13:54 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/
13:54 assbot You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Ats9 )
13:54 jurov kakobrekla what about signing http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/wot_ratings.sql.gz ?
13:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Ayw9 )
13:55 asciilifeform https://www.newit.co.uk/shop << 'arm' system vendor in eu
13:55 assbot New IT ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6AA75 )
13:55 asciilifeform unfortunately nothing in the price ballpark of 'pogo'
13:58 asciilifeform unrelated mega-lol: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/psa-your-crypto-apps-are-useless-unless-you-check-them-for-backdoors
13:58 assbot PSA: Your crypto apps are useless unless you check them for backdoors | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BaBT )
13:58 asciilifeform ^ from the run-moar-winblows department
13:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/mips-creator-ci20-released-interesting-though-not-very-useful << for your collection. i own the pre-release version of this thing. it works. but full of oddities. there is a (supposedly) complete data sheet for the chip.
13:59 assbot MIPS Creator CI20 released: Interesting, though not very useful | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Bsc2 )
13:59 jurov https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware guess we'll end up with this
13:59 assbot A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BsZj )
14:00 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: if you're just going to annotage logs at least have the commentary arrayed neatly around the source material like the rest of the talmudic publications
14:00 asciilifeform jurov: not bad. about 1.5 pogos.
14:00 ben_vulpes footnotes are so...web 3.0
14:00 asciilifeform jurov: looks like even has sata.
14:00 asciilifeform would need a chassis and power brick?
14:01 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: lol what talmud are you reading?
14:01 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: iirc a standard talmud is arranged this way ?
14:02 pete_dushenski bla.. fine. ima brb
14:02 pete_dushenski :)
14:02 jurov Please prove you are not an bot. How many cores RK3188 have?: << ahahaha olimex forums rule
14:02 asciilifeform jurov: i like the ru 'integrals' captchae more.
14:03 asciilifeform 'prove you're not a bot or a c-student'
14:04 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudPage.html
14:04 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6CkgJ )
14:04 asciilifeform ^ illustrated
14:04 nubbins` hm, re: goflex tv http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2010-11/msg00155.html
14:04 assbot [PATCH] Add support for Realtek Media Player SoCs ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Cl4n )
14:04 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: heh whaddya know
14:04 nubbins` cracked open a firmware update image, might be something to this
14:04 pete_dushenski that's pretty cool lookin'
14:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142197 @ 0.00039587 = 56.2915 BTC [-]
14:12 phillipsjk mircea_popescu, Just because you don't understand the Maslow pyramid, does not imply it is completely invalid. Your alternative pyramid lacks co-operation...which you apparently consider rotten socialist propaganda. Re: http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/
14:12 assbot That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0o6x1 )
14:12 jurov satoshidice.com down. interesting
14:12 asciilifeform maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat?
14:13 pete_dushenski alright ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/
14:13 assbot You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgegas )
14:13 pete_dushenski c'est mieu ?
14:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09522599 = 4.7613 BTC [-] {7}
14:14 phillipsjk asciilifeform, 4 of the 5 categories use the term "domination"
14:15 pete_dushenski i'll admit, it was a bit odd having all my thoughts in the footnotes... i'm just not sure that this is cleaner to read.
14:18 phillipsjk I finally have DDOS samples up. Apparently the attack mode switched at some point. I was not able to determine exactly when because my machine lacks the RAM to load the entire packet capture in wirkeshark.
14:20 phillipsjk Here is a 1.5MB sample of the udp fragment flood I was talking about: http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_30Mbit_sample.pcap
14:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgfCC4 )
14:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.09100303 = 3.0031 BTC [-] {6}
14:21 phillipsjk It mentions uzuuzuu.ru and simply says LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL over and over.
14:22 teward phillipsjk: I feel sorry for you o.o
14:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00038349 = 39.4995 BTC [-] {2}
14:24 phillipsjk here is the first minute or so of UPnP crap: (64MIB) http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_10Mbit.pcap
14:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00095 = 1.425 BTC [-]
14:24 asciilifeform phun phact:
14:25 asciilifeform there is at least one exploitable overflow in 'wireshark'.
14:25 asciilifeform at least, was, a year or so ago.
14:25 teward asciilifeform: depends on the rev you're on
14:25 teward AFAIK they're all patched, but I haven't watched wireshark upstream like a hawk
14:25 asciilifeform there is no such thing, approximately, as a kitchen with precisely one cockroach.
14:25 phillipsjk The UDP flood sample was after I let the previous attack drop to dial-up rates, then briefly reconnected.
14:26 teward phillipsjk: just TARPIT everything
14:26 teward :P
14:26 phillipsjk asciilifeform, I was running it from a LiveCD. But yes, those captures may be potentially harmful.
14:27 asciilifeform not even about these in particular.
14:27 phillipsjk I my write-up on the Shaw forums, I included a caution about that.
14:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039587 = 16.5474 BTC [+]
14:27 kakobrekla jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-01-2015#983823
14:27 assbot Logged on 19-01-2015 22:42:24; kakobrekla: !shasum wot
14:27 teward asciilifeform: is one of the 2015 notices here the one you're talking about? https://www.wireshark.org/security/
14:27 assbot Wireshark · Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgh5rX )
14:28 teward because i'm on 1.12.1 - if it's ~1yr old, I'm patched
14:28 jurov kakobrekla: so i'm to connect to irc from my wot sync script, srsly?
14:29 kakobrekla im not signing it.
14:29 phillipsjk I was amazed when people were finding devastating holes in image processing libraries about 10 years ago. Every OS was affected.
14:29 jurov why? and i did not say it must be your signature
14:30 kakobrekla if not mine, imagine one up.
14:31 teward ho-lee shit, Wireshark is huge o.o
14:31 kakobrekla idk, i could make it announce new shasums in chan and you parse logs then
14:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00037854 = 54.1691 BTC [-]
14:32 phillipsjk teward, I found my first DDOS kind of exciting. The cloak works so far. Apparently people will DDOS live-streaming gamers for lulz as well.
14:35 phillipsjk I slightly related news, apparently I can put whatever files I want on my web-host. Was working under the assumption I had at least 100MB of space. Apparently it is 25GB. (I essentially chose my own price-point since anything more than 25MB may as well be infinite for my e-mail and web-site.)
14:35 teward phillipsjk: well that's not uncommon - and if anyone tried to DDoS me, they'd hit my VPS not me, and that's DDoS-filtered
14:39 jurov kakobrekla that wouldn't help
14:39 mircea_popescu phillipsjk how do you figure it lacks cooperation ?
14:39 mircea_popescu submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
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14:41 jurov kakobrekla, but please confirm you're aware that by choosing mysqldump format, it can't be parsed but must be piped into mysql which is practically the same as piping into /bin/sh
14:42 kakobrekla i can give you a different format, seems like you are the first the use the thing.
14:42 phillipsjk asciilifeform, mis-read your maslow comment. "Belonging and love needs" sounds like cooperation is needed.
14:42 pete_dushenski italian fiu: "The FIU states that businesses dealing in virtual currencies, including holding them and exchanging them for fiat currencies, are not required to comply with any AML/KYC regulations."
14:42 kakobrekla s/the use/to use
14:43 pete_dushenski cazalla: BingoBoingo https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19244/central-bank-italy-declares-virtual-currency-exchanges-not-subject-aml-requirements/ if you're interested
14:43 assbot Central Bank of Italy Declares Virtual Currency Exchanges Are Not Subject to AML Requirements – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgk6II )
14:43 mircea_popescu felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing <<< when using a broker, you necessarily undertake that risk. the way to not undertake the risk is to have your own account.
14:43 jurov kakobrekla anything that can be parsed, not ran. csv, json,...etc
14:43 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you know you could write it up yourself.
14:43 mircea_popescu i got one in queue too.
14:43 mircea_popescu jurov i thought you could get json of anything anyway ?
14:44 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: this is true but there's some other writing i'm attending to
14:44 jurov i cannot get json of /assbot/keyid/
14:44 jurov so id ecided to just pull whole db anyway
14:44 pete_dushenski if the qntra boys don't pick it up within an hour or so, i'll scoop it
14:45 mircea_popescu that's because keid is nonsense? you also can't get json of assbot/english cuisine
14:45 jurov but i now see it's actually a script downloaded by http
14:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department << how the hell does one check for backdoors. submerge in water an' blow ?
14:45 trinque ^lol
14:46 jurov mircea_popescu: one cannot get full fingerprint out of gpg-signed stuff one get by email. t was already discussed
14:46 mircea_popescu jurov but this flaw of the gpg protocol can't really be fixed at the assbot elvel.
14:46 mircea_popescu one is stuck with it.
14:46 jurov yes. i agree. so i am stuck with
14:47 jurov 1) downloading db
14:47 jurov 2) doing like query
14:47 jurov 3) getting key by fingerprint
14:47 jurov 4) rechecking the dam sig
14:47 mircea_popescu technically you could just grep the db
14:47 jurov the db cointains users without l2
14:47 mircea_popescu i'd be very interested in hearing about ambiguous matches.
14:47 mircea_popescu yes.
14:47 phillipsjk I have been questioning the feature where you can change key expiry, but not do operations with expired keys. (Since i learned about it)
14:48 jurov 3) and 4) take care about ambiguous matches
14:48 mircea_popescu not a great fan of any changes on keys, myself.
14:48 mircea_popescu more gpg cruft that'll have to go in bapgp
14:48 jurov but i am not asking any change about wot mechanism
14:48 mircea_popescu jurov jst saying, you don't have to do any actual query on the db. just grep it.
14:50 jurov replace 2) by grepping is doable
14:50 jurov but in the future i potentially want the turdatron to display wot nicks anyway
14:50 mircea_popescu anyway, presenting it as json is not a bad idea
14:50 mircea_popescu or csv for that matter.
14:51 mircea_popescu but i've not yet got through the logs far enough to figure wtf the contention is so gimme a minute
14:51 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: don't play with expired keys
14:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat? << it keeps getting revised, it's a bona fide "golf club patter" that thing. always in step with the emotional needs of a new generation.
14:52 phillipsjk ben_vulpes, if you miss issuing a new key, you may still want to sign with an expired key to prove you know the secret.
14:52 mircea_popescu not clear anyone will accept that "proof".
14:53 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ? << mieux. the x, like the h, and the e, and everything else in French including the French themselves, is silent.
14:53 phillipsjk The point of a new key is that I am *assuming* the NSA may be ably to crack 1024bit dsa, but I am not sure. I doubt anybody else can do it.
14:53 * phillipsjk now has 2048 bit RSA
14:53 mircea_popescu was dsa the one we were not using because we suspect it comes with a nsa hole from the get go or am i confusing my sas ?
14:54 asciilifeform dsa
14:54 mircea_popescu phillipsjk are you using proper digests ?
14:54 mircea_popescu iirc gpg will happily do md5 even today.
14:54 asciilifeform was explicitly proclaimed by clinton-era nsa as 'civilian' castrato crypto
14:54 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: 4096 or bust baby
14:54 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: damn my written illiteracy!
14:55 phillipsjk DSA is assumed to be weak because 768bit RSA primes have been publicly factored.
14:55 ben_vulpes phillipsjk: try this .gnupg/gpg.conf http://dpaste.com/0BR41JG.txt
14:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmHmd )
14:55 mircea_popescu unrelated thread, that.
14:55 jurov apparently mysqldump has absolutely no support for csv/json/anything? lol, even sqlite has it
14:55 ben_vulpes why aren't you people using postgres
14:56 jurov it can only change delimiter not escape data
14:57 asciilifeform backdoors << the linked piece was about somebody who woke up to the idea of checking signatures on downloaded crypto app binaries (for winblows naturally) but couldn't quite wrap brain around pgp
14:57 asciilifeform why he assumed that 'backdoor' must be necessarily inserted at isp, rather than by author of the turdware - ask him, not me
14:58 mircea_popescu phillipsjk what's "Shaw forums" ?
14:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0003722 = 20.2105 BTC [-] {2}
14:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well at least he's perambulating in the generally right direction...
14:59 mircea_popescu !shasum derp
14:59 assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
14:59 mircea_popescu !shasum wot
14:59 assbot sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : f4de64eaf67a36a5f9f9af96ff4e6cf302c816b1093d252277a34d06e2c06add
14:59 assbot sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 2675cf21e2655398640525b1a2841a9a980b5d05e26cc4844540534971a5b7a9
15:00 mircea_popescu jurov one problem is... if this were on a webpage what exact use would it be ?
15:00 asciilifeform winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a prisoner walking in the direction of the yard gate. he is still in his cell.
15:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, not so. the better comparison is you saying " winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a virgin playing pensively with a fat cucumber. she isstill a virgin."
15:01 mircea_popescu yes, she is. not for long.
15:01 asciilifeform might depend on the winblows user, actually
15:02 jurov mircea_popescu: verifying is another problem. i can do that by hand
15:02 asciilifeform there are quite a few, i think, who are grossly underequipped - intellectually - to actually operate a computer
15:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform their possession is a blessing for whoever's not doing it : costs more than it produces.
15:02 jurov i'm currently concerned about someone who hacked assbot server running stuff (with potentially correct sums) on my server
15:02 asciilifeform the remainder is the more interesting question
15:03 mircea_popescu jurov i still don't see why you'd process the dump as a myslq
15:04 jurov 1. i don't have slaves to write the parser for me
15:04 phillipsjk mircea_popescu, the forums hosted by my ISP. https://community.shaw.ca/thread/18478
15:04 assbot What should we do, if anything, while experienc... | Shaw Support Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB6BSW )
15:04 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: im not signing it. << could you make a csv ? or a json ?
15:05 mircea_popescu phillipsjk oh i c.
15:05 jurov 2. unnecessary depndence on bitcoin-assets web server
15:05 mircea_popescu jurov what'd be your ideal model ?
15:05 jurov i described these 4 steps above
15:06 jurov step 5 would be to check if sender is in l2
15:06 mircea_popescu that'd be your ideal model ?
15:06 jurov against local db
15:08 jurov ideal? just having api that i can pull keys of l2 members directly from and is never down?
15:09 mircea_popescu kakobrekla can there be a page with a list of l2 fingerprints ?
15:11 asciilifeform 275919...
15:11 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
15:11 gribble Current Blocks: 341966 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 753 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44296281000.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.32541
15:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202480 @ 0.00038624 = 78.2059 BTC [+]
15:14 jurov yes, list of l2 fingerprints would help much
15:15 mircea_popescu phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ?
15:15 mircea_popescu i always assumed those things are just pure astroturf grown out of a misguided attempt to "be online' of various corps.
15:16 phillipsjk I was asking support questions. I normally avoid that forum.
15:16 mircea_popescu ah
15:16 mircea_popescu nm me then. i have a bit of a writer's mind :D
15:17 mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot phillipsjk
15:17 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
15:17 phillipsjk I do play in the Bitcoin forum...Though it was like 2-3years before I actually bought any.
15:20 mircea_popescu "Their most absurd suggestion turned out to be surprisingly close to the truth: that it must have been some website we visited."
15:21 mircea_popescu funny how that works.
15:21 phillipsjk Theymos (the Bitcointalk admin) proposed a compromise for the block-size issue: start with 2MB blocks. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10352457#msg10352457
15:21 assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8y1R )
15:22 asciilifeform choosing where to go for dinner with a coprophagiac; compromise - eat only a little shit.
15:22 asciilifeform just as side dish.
15:22 asciilifeform a garnish
15:22 asciilifeform if slightly unsavoury
15:22 * phillipsjk checks if that is actually a word
15:23 mircea_popescu the overarching point there is that vessenes' scam and the people hanging in -dev do not have the authority to either implement or discuss bitcoin forks.
15:23 mircea_popescu at all.
15:23 phillipsjk ..it is.
15:23 mircea_popescu not for any reason, not under any conditions. eod.
15:23 asciilifeform phillipsjk: 'bitcoin' probably does not appear in your dictionary. is a word ?
15:24 mircea_popescu coprophagiac - someone who eats shit.
15:24 mircea_popescu tis english.
15:24 asciilifeform the king's english, aha
15:24 phillipsjk asciilifeform, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
15:25 assbot Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8S0r )
15:25 phillipsjk (not technically a dictionary)
15:25 trinque it exists because wikipedia... guffaw
15:26 phillipsjk I used a search engine, not wikipedia directly. I was checking form more than like 3 uses.
15:26 mircea_popescu phillipsjk for the record, these attacks aren't exactly bandwidth related in any sense, they're packet based.
15:26 thestringpuller Ephebophilia.
15:27 phillipsjk The UDP flood was almost full packets.
15:27 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: ^ you know that one?
15:27 mircea_popescu thestringpuller notice that there doesn't exist an equivalent "love for teenaged females".
15:28 thestringpuller ;)
15:28 phillipsjk er UDP *fragment* flood. (The UPNP shit was UDP too)
15:31 mircea_popescu aha
15:33 ben_vulpes x and my wm collectively shit themselves when i switch to a monitor theyve never seen before.
15:36 the_scourge ben_vulpes: just do xrandr by hand. unless you're one of those people who has their monitors in the same orientation every day
15:37 the_scourge what wm do you use?
15:37 ben_vulpes stumpwm
15:37 ben_vulpes i just want to use it, i don't want to rewrite it
15:37 ben_vulpes i guess this is the curse of a shop with > 8 monitors
15:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54842 @ 0.00037115 = 20.3546 BTC [-]
15:38 the_scourge "StumpWM is a tiling window manager that was created when developer Shawn Betts found ratpoison growing increasingly large and "lispy"."
15:38 * the_scourge goes to find out how something can become too lispy
15:38 ben_vulpes when your c devs start implementing common lisp out of ignorance, it's probably time to just use common lisp.
15:40 mircea_popescu if one could just use common lisp (no devs involved) there'd be no computing language forums.
15:40 the_scourge ben_vulpes: it should respect what xrandr tells it to do, regardless. i've used tiling window managers with a retina laptop in 9 different shops in the last 18 months, sometimes changing desks throughout the week. just turn everything off and use xrandr, i'm sure your wm will respect it
15:40 * the_scourge is interested!
15:40 phillipsjk EMACS user detected.
15:41 mircea_popescu !up cjc
15:41 the_scourge woah... is this wm actually written in common lisp? why have i never heard of this before
15:41 asciilifeform it is extremely well-known among folks with even a mild interest in the subject...
15:42 cjc Thanks mircea_popescu. I've been enjoying watching the somewhat spirited astroturfing over at bitcointalk.org for the last couple of days in this thread with regard to the Fork. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331
15:42 assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Df4qHt )
15:42 mircea_popescu not like cl has that many usable apps out there :D
15:42 the_scourge asciilifeform: that's a little low, but i'll freely admit i don't hang around with the right people
15:42 mircea_popescu cjc vox populi vox dei yo!
15:42 mircea_popescu the_scourge why not ?
15:43 cjc Also, I enjoyed the btc-dev mailing list post decision to keep the CPU miner for Alpha Centauri =)
15:43 the_scourge mircea_popescu: opportunity personality?
15:43 the_scourge *and personality
15:43 trinque ah stumpwm... "At least I can get what I want with ample tape."
15:43 mircea_popescu kinda how it usually goes huh
15:43 the_scourge i think the lack of opportunity has bent my personality :(
15:45 the_scourge i'm just happy when i get a client where the head engineer is capable of having slightly technical discussions... staves off the cabin fever (which is possible, even in london)
15:45 the_scourge phillipsjk: thanks for looking into the ddos stuff btw
15:45 trinque the_scourge: gotta just ignore useless people and not miss the opportunity to hang among the worthwhile when it comes along
15:45 the_scourge hi from a fellow canuck, btw
15:46 trinque pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself
15:46 the_scourge trinque++
15:46 phillipsjk Your welcome. Figured I was being attacked anyway, may as well get data.
15:49 the_scourge trinque: i take responsibility for the situation. i've had certain goals and i've been working on them for so long i haven't stopped to smell the roses or look up the local 2600 chapter. if that even exists anymore
15:50 cjc There was a pretty good deal on lifetime 2600 subscriptions last year.
15:50 cjc I picked it up sans the expensive delivery fee.
15:50 trinque the_scourge: heh, dude.. this feel, I know it
15:51 ben_vulpes <trinque> pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself << stupidity and malice are the *defaults*, guys. people who aren't either stupid or malicious are *not* to be expected.
15:51 ben_vulpes anywhere.
15:52 the_scourge ben_vulpes: is that because all of the non-stupid people ended up dispairing and turned malicious?
15:54 trinque the_scourge: https://rumpydog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kenny-big-cat-rescue.jpg
15:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjqfi1 )
15:54 trinque you take what used to be a predator, add captivity and asinine breeding habits, boom
15:56 the_scourge is that that crazy big cat place in middle of nowhere wisconsin? with the ligers?
15:56 the_scourge i've been there!
15:56 the_scourge but that's a really fucked up... tiger?
15:56 trinque dunno; googled "fat imbred large feline"
15:56 the_scourge er that's a liger isn't it
15:57 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes speaking of which : sent emails to ~500 real estate agencies in buenos aires, yes.
15:57 trinque vaguely recalled that they're imbreeding white tigers to keep them going
15:57 mircea_popescu today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor.
15:57 mircea_popescu i was happy to confirm for their needs where the center is and that yes indeed they are poor.
15:57 the_scourge http://votk.org/ < that's the place i think the liger might have died though
15:57 assbot Valley of the Kings Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjrEoL )
15:57 mircea_popescu stupidity, yes. malice... rarely. on account of people being so stupid they can't really manage malice on the same cpu.
16:00 punkman Ulbricht: "On Wednesday, a jury took about three hours to find him guilty on all seven counts."
16:01 pete_dushenski damn, bb was right on the nose!
16:01 trinque railroad's running right on time
16:01 asciilifeform what they did for 3 hours? played cards ?
16:01 mircea_popescu ha, wd bb.
16:02 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Wow. I just woke up and won?
16:02 mircea_popescu yup
16:02 asciilifeform i bet that soldering iron is warming up already.
16:02 asciilifeform if not sizzling quite yet
16:02 mircea_popescu turns out im the worlds most inept prop bettor :D
16:02 BingoBoingo Last night I got stressed an make a Minix, today...
16:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: minix, rly ?
16:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Practicing small
16:03 asciilifeform honest minix or the heretical minix3 ?
16:03 BingoBoingo old minix
16:03 asciilifeform neato.
16:03 the_scourge punkman: link?
16:03 asciilifeform 'Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?' - linus t.
16:03 BingoBoingo Not sure if worked
16:04 punkman http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-04/ross-ulbricht-convicted-of-running-silk-road-as-dread-pirate
16:04 assbot Ross Ulbricht Convicted of Running Silk Road as Dread Pirate Roberts - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjuvya )
16:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00036624 = 46.1096 BTC [-] {2}
16:04 mircea_popescu ill brb
16:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I may not have built a userland or drivers
16:05 * BingoBoingo needs more reads
16:05 the_scourge wtf, that speeds things up a little
16:06 trinque holy *shit*; life in prison?
16:06 asciilifeform now who wants to talk about the mythical nullifying juries, lol
16:06 the_scourge no kidding
16:06 trinque dude's being drawn and quartered as an example
16:07 asciilifeform for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous
16:07 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous << Not in every kind of case actually
16:07 asciilifeform if 11 jurors were to feel like, e.g., letting dpr go, and one did not, 'hung jury' and the kangaroo court gets to do the whole thing again
16:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc
16:07 BingoBoingo But must almost always be some sort of super majority
16:07 asciilifeform civil - no
16:08 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc << In capital (death penalty) trials, probably other yes.
16:08 asciilifeform in all fed criminal trials. and in most state criminals.
16:09 BingoBoingo Ah
16:09 asciilifeform ianal.
16:09 asciilifeform incidentally,
16:09 asciilifeform http://fija.org/2014/04/25/jackson-v-louisiana-revisits-non-unanimous-jury-verdicts
16:09 assbot Supreme Court to Consider Revisiting Non-Unanimous Jury Verdicts ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjxeYm )
16:10 asciilifeform ^ apparently even this is now up for being fucked with
16:14 cazalla seems qntra already had a category for antarctica.. ;;later tell BingoBoingo australia is not the same as antarctica lol http://qntra.net/2014/12/australia-the-tax-institute-calls-for-voluntary-bitcoin-registry-treating-bitcoin-as-currency/
16:14 assbot Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjzuPd )
16:14 BingoBoingo cazalla: Are you sure?
16:16 cazalla yes and that is despite the past week being freezing here (sunny morning today, yay)
16:17 BingoBoingo Antartica, Australia, Africa, Asia, Americas... Continents need less alliteration.
16:17 BingoBoingo !up sergiohlb
16:18 cazalla how's this for a forecast? http://i.imgur.com/s2vBAl0.png
16:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjB3wG )
16:18 pete_dushenski cazalla: BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/13TyxDv7
16:18 assbot Title: Banca d’Italia ends AML/KYC for Bitcoin businesses, opts out of economi - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjBjvL )
16:19 pete_dushenski saved you boys the trouble :)
16:19 cazalla re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content
16:20 cazalla it's not a big deal but would not want to see it become a habit
16:20 pete_dushenski por supuesto
16:20 pete_dushenski next time: email
16:20 cazalla it's not just you pete_dushenski so, nothing personal :)
16:25 asciilifeform google appears to crawl #b-a www log every other minute or so, likewise.
16:26 asciilifeform (why? ask them)
16:28 pete_dushenski following behind the cool kids and taking notes is nothing new
16:28 pete_dushenski it's worked on the playground since basically forever
16:28 pete_dushenski and what is the internet if not a big playground ?
16:32 pete_dushenski some kids are playing tag, some kids are playing chess, some kids are driving the teachers crazy,
16:32 pete_dushenski some kids are lighting things on fire
16:32 pete_dushenski others, chasing girls
16:33 the_scourge so what does that make google? the monitor or a nerd?
16:33 pete_dushenski which makes me think i should re-write that old classic "all i really need to know i leaned in kindergarten" for the internet age
16:34 pete_dushenski see, the nerd has a good chance of growing up to be someone someday, so google can't very well be that
16:35 pete_dushenski so i guess the monitor, trying to adapt and keep up with the kids
16:35 pete_dushenski but ultimately being slow and a bit greying
16:35 pete_dushenski unless there's a third alternative ?
16:37 the_scourge the desperate wannabe? i think i remember a few of those
16:38 the_scourge i think they outnumbered genetic alphas
16:38 nubbins` o.O
16:38 nubbins` Choose Your Own Stereotype Based On Incomplete Analogies 101
16:38 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: !s merit washing << seen this ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/27/philanthropy-not-power/
16:38 assbot "Philanthropy." Not Power. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfg0Cq )
16:39 nubbins` pete_dushenski stop bogarting that dutch
16:39 pete_dushenski ;;google bogart the dutch
16:39 gribble Humphrey Deforest (Humphrey) Bogart - New Netherland Institute: <http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/dutch_americans/humphrey-bogart/>; bogart - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogart>; Humphrey Bogart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Bogart>
16:40 pete_dushenski should i know this idiom ?
16:42 nubbins` ;;ud bogart
16:42 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogart | A slang term derived from the last name of famous actor Humphrey Bogart because he often kept a cigarette in the corner of his mouth, seemingly never actually ...
16:42 nubbins` ;;ud dutch
16:42 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=going+dutch | going dutch. In dating, when both parties pay for their own bills, thus effectively dispelling the double-standard where men are always expected to pay.
16:42 nubbins` meh on 2nd
16:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74480 @ 0.000364 = 27.1107 BTC [-] {2}
16:43 nubbins` ;;ud smoking dutch
16:43 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dutch&page=2 | No one actually smokes dutches, they just gut them bitches and fill em up wit product. 2) a slang word for a blunt 3) i guess a dutch is also sumone from Holland ...
16:43 pete_dushenski lol
16:48 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. << why were they asking if argentines are poor?
16:48 kakobrekla ;;later tell mircea_popescu jurov http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt
16:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJj0BA )
16:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100661 @ 0.00035948 = 36.1856 BTC [-] {2}
16:49 ben_vulpes neatly awkable
16:49 ben_vulpes wd kakobrekla
16:49 ben_vulpes ty
16:49 jurov thanks kakobrekla!
16:49 kakobrekla yw
~ 15 minutes ~
17:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate << Used to be bigger problem here. Then they were largely defeated
17:05 asciilifeform defeated << how ?
17:06 phillipsjk I think birds eat them.
17:06 asciilifeform phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation
17:07 phillipsjk some trees will tolerate one or two defoliations per season as well.
17:07 asciilifeform if this were not so, there'd be rather few trees left here.
17:08 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: philanthropists article << precisely them
17:08 pete_dushenski thought so :)
17:08 * phillipsjk decides to stop talking about things he knows little about.
17:09 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: it's quite the little game those kids play
17:09 pete_dushenski dancing about, spouting words, meeting "important" people
17:09 pete_dushenski it's probably not a bad gig actually
17:10 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: but more generally, applies to the sv vc crapolade. i.e. why does mr schmuck get 100 megabezzlars for schmuckatron? because he's the son/nephew/catamite of one of the vultures who feasted on the corpse of fairchild semi, at&t (pre-breakup), etc.
17:10 pete_dushenski this is no different from what mazarin did
17:11 asciilifeform (not necessarily direct relation - son in law, etc. will do in a pinch. as there's plenty of printed money to go around)
17:11 pete_dushenski re-appropriate some wealth, give to kids
17:11 pete_dushenski isn't this a roman thing even?
17:11 asciilifeform the most pathetic aspect is when civilians become afflicted with the delusion of 'i can haz some too'
17:11 pete_dushenski (and many others too, i'm sure)
17:12 pete_dushenski well, because "we're all equal"
17:12 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: as i tried to explain to mircea_popescu, 'merit wash' is a rather distinct animal from ordinary inheritance
17:12 asciilifeform how:
17:12 pete_dushenski so kid in compton is just like god-daughter of mr. rothschild
17:12 asciilifeform inheritance doesn't create a gigantic circus where millions of fools think they have a shot at being an heir
17:13 asciilifeform and thus warping entire civilization in various crippling ways
17:13 asciilifeform !s tournament market
17:13 assbot 7 results for 'tournament market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tournament+market
17:13 pete_dushenski it would seem to necessitate an eventual divorce from reality
17:13 pete_dushenski just to cope
17:14 pete_dushenski (for the kids with no shot)
17:14 asciilifeform let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary
17:14 pete_dushenski are there such sports ?
17:14 pete_dushenski maybe... golf
17:14 asciilifeform that's the effect meritwash has on the participants (the 'extras' in the film, naturally. the pre-ordained winners - laugh all the way to the bank.)
17:14 pete_dushenski where officials are largely on the sidelines and players call their own penalties
17:15 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: which they do anyways so it can't be about them
17:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170200 @ 0.00035609 = 60.6065 BTC [-] {2}
17:15 pete_dushenski the difference is the injustice wrought upon the multitudes
17:15 asciilifeform or, famously, the first television 'game show' - '64,000 dollar question' (usa) was famously discovered, in its day, to be fixed
17:15 asciilifeform and this caused a national scandal
17:16 pete_dushenski similar to who wants to be a millionaire? or the same ?
17:16 asciilifeform no idea re ^
17:16 * asciilifeform not a scholar of the subject
17:16 pete_dushenski it's not important
17:17 pete_dushenski i get the picture
17:17 asciilifeform 276666 incidentally.
17:17 pete_dushenski chugging along eh
17:18 pete_dushenski i'm heading out tho. cheers!
17:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118339 @ 0.00035815 = 42.3831 BTC [+]
17:27 jurov http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot-a-disconcertingly-plausible-conspiracy-theory
17:27 assbot The Pirate Bay Is an FBI Honeypot: a Disconcertingly Plausible Conspiracy Theory | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMEsKo )
17:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87520 @ 0.00037162 = 32.5242 BTC [+]
17:34 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes specifically, they wanted to know "what zones im interested in" and "what my budget is".
17:34 mircea_popescu somehow this are questions now.
17:34 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015/02/gchq-lovely-horse-intercept-15-0204.pdf << uk gov digs through, e.g., 'pastebin', in search of 0days.
17:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMIfau )
17:34 mircea_popescu kakobrekla hawt.
17:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform most script kiddies do neh ?
17:35 asciilifeform there is a tradition of actually throwing genuine 0days in there.
17:35 asciilifeform don't ask me why
17:36 asciilifeform but naturally this creates million zombies with 'gambler's disease' who dig, dig, dig
17:38 mircea_popescu cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that.
17:38 mircea_popescu say i gpg to your key next time ?
17:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (why? ask them) << usg looking for zero days as well :)
17:41 cazalla mircea_popescu, that works
17:43 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh?
17:43 mircea_popescu neh.
17:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95400 @ 0.00036332 = 34.6607 BTC [-]
17:44 ben_vulpes how so not?
17:44 mircea_popescu if oyu don't know what the center of the town is or that you live in a shithole, you should go back to highschool.
17:44 ben_vulpes granted, the first parts downright stupid
17:44 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation << New birds essentially. Also Replacing favorable trees with less so. Liberal amounts of poisoin too.
17:44 mircea_popescu then answer to "i'm looking to rent" is "best value for money i got is this, best all around property is this, which you want ?"
17:45 mircea_popescu not "oh, are buildings made of building materials i wonder soliloquously ?"
17:46 cazalla mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? <<< popular thing in australia, or at least was back in 90s, early 2000s
17:47 cazalla local dialup isp even had bbqs
17:47 mircea_popescu o, that they did in the 90s too. local dialup isp almost always being "three or four of the cooler kids in that neighbourhood"
17:47 mircea_popescu in ro in the 90s*
17:50 mircea_popescu jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot << that usg agitprop runs this about tpb after a year of studiously ignoring http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ seems the best street cred for current day tpb.
17:50 assbot vmp - Error Site | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnqU )
17:50 assbot Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnrc )
17:53 mircea_popescu The well-heeled group seemed receptive. “I think it’s fantastic,” said Patrick Gage, a 19-year-old heir to the multibillion-dollar Carlson hotel and hospitality fortune. “I’ve never seen anything like this before.” Mr. Gage is an industry leader in enforcing measures to combat trafficking and involuntary prostitution.
17:53 mircea_popescu lol check it out, it's an industry now :D
17:54 mircea_popescu anyway, so obama gets 100 rich kids together to inquire about soft capital confiscation. turns out the kids don't mind.
17:57 mircea_popescu in other news, http://pastebin.com/Hhmy0DUL
17:57 assbot I am a No Limits No Taboo slave looking to be owned by men, women or a couple. I - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzrqhY )
18:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform> let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary << Actual fraud. One the other hand horrifically mismatched team (happens a lot in college where small schools will get paid by larger schools to play a game the larger school anticipates winning) can be loads of fun. Especially when the school paid to play wins.
18:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143111 @ 0.00036154 = 51.7404 BTC [-] {2}
18:12 mircea_popescu "when the FBI tackled Ulbricht in the Library with the Laptop Forensics Toolkit" << also, partition encryption werks!
18:21 mircea_popescu o by the way. anyone know who were the first gynecologists ?
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52889 @ 0.00036052 = 19.0675 BTC [-]
18:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53190 @ 0.00036335 = 19.3266 BTC [+]
18:25 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. < dpaste btw
18:25 mircea_popescu that's a point.
18:25 kakobrekla no public pastes, no ads
18:25 mircea_popescu yeh yeh. dunno how pastebin crept back in.
18:26 cazalla mircea_popescu, barbers as well?
18:26 mircea_popescu cazalla mendicunt monks.
18:26 cazalla i vaguely remember reading about barbers being surgeons on trilema before hence reasoning for my guess
18:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92910 @ 0.00036335 = 33.7588 BTC [+]
18:33 asciilifeform how pastebin crept back in << rough substitute for the shortwave station we don't have
18:33 asciilifeform i.e. no illusions of privacy or reliability
18:33 asciilifeform i dislike the sugar-coated 'nice' pastebins for this reason
18:35 mircea_popescu nono i mean the site specifically.
18:35 mircea_popescu dpaste much better
18:44 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/ << lol ok this one i heart.
18:44 assbot Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I477jz )
18:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55430 @ 0.00037162 = 20.5989 BTC [+]
18:51 ben_vulpes pastebin is verboten
18:51 ben_vulpes constantly adding in dos line endings
18:51 ben_vulpes CANNOT ABIDE
18:51 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: gyns << no who?
18:51 ben_vulpes Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo
18:52 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes mendicunt monks.
18:52 * ben_vulpes closes the tab
18:52 ben_vulpes >.<
18:52 mircea_popescu it;'s great!
18:53 ben_vulpes what's the american ob-gyn chain of the future?
18:53 mircea_popescu mmmm
18:53 mircea_popescu herp-r-us ?
18:54 mircea_popescu snatch-o-mattic ?
18:54 ben_vulpes Mend-A-Cunt™
18:54 mircea_popescu lol
18:55 mircea_popescu McBox
18:55 mircea_popescu QwikTwat
18:56 BingoBoingo https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9000912
18:56 assbot IBL, Almost Larger Than IRL | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KesnAA )
18:56 mircea_popescu yay
19:08 mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot beautyon
19:08 assbot beautyon is not registered in WoT.
19:09 BingoBoingo !gettrust assbot Irdial
19:09 assbot Irdial is not registered in WoT.
19:18 mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch
19:20 mircea_popescu i guess that's not how that works. anyway : http://trilema.com/2015/open-assbot-wot-website/
19:20 assbot [OPEN] Assbot WoT website pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KexrFi )
19:20 mircea_popescu erryone lemme know if you like / want more icecream a la mode.
19:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8000 @ 0.00097074 = 7.7659 BTC [+] {6}
19:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2300 @ 0.000971 = 2.2333 BTC [+]
19:34 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994929 << what about this cream
19:34 assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 05:29:24; mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
19:34 mircea_popescu adlai huh ?
19:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10549 @ 0.00095022 = 10.0239 BTC [-] {14}
19:35 adlai i'd like to test scalpl on larger amounts of btc than i have at my personal disposal.
19:35 mod6 perhaps what i can do here, is take the copy of the blockchain that i tried to sync day-before yesterday (copied @ ~160000 blocks) and use gdb to try to see what's going on with that that block
19:36 mod6 seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001
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19:37 mod6 not sure exactly what to be looking for... but turning over a few 'stones' might find something.
19:38 kakobrekla adlai curious, whats the min youd take?
19:39 asciilifeform adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway?
19:39 adlai depends what's at hand
19:39 adlai because anything else is roughly equivalent to changetip
19:40 asciilifeform adlai: when i laboured under the delusion that i could write a useful trading automaton, i found it simple enough to 'trade' with imaginary btc, gold, etc.
19:40 asciilifeform to see if algo is worth something
19:40 adlai sure, this is possible to implement. that doesn't mean the answers are relevant.
19:40 asciilifeform adlai: let me guess, your machine relies on actually moving the market ?
19:40 kakobrekla this works for fx better than btc
19:40 adlai nope
19:41 asciilifeform then what is the hidden gotcha in testing with imaginary objects ?
19:41 decimation I wouldn't mind trying to run a trade bot but it would involve much tax paperwork in the us
19:41 asciilifeform decimation: 'not caught, not thief'
19:42 adlai decimation: i'm not a lawyer, but i gather from conversations with them that it's a matter of *precisely* documenting the net p/l and paying tax on that
19:42 kakobrekla isnt it 'not thief, caught' in murica ?
19:42 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998041
19:42 assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 04:33:41; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.')
19:42 asciilifeform decimation: just avoid fiat...
19:42 decimation adlai: yes, one would have to document each lot traded
19:44 kakobrekla <adlai> depends what's at hand < anyway not helping, ofc you will take whats at hand. if not there, not even the army can take.
19:44 adlai ofc?
19:44 kakobrekla ;;ud ofc
19:44 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ofc | Used in Instant Messaging for Of Course (Of Fucking Course if in all caps). " John121: u going to the movie tomorrow?" "Alex33: ofc". by MisterEgo October 09 , ...
19:45 adlai which course?
19:45 kakobrekla south please.
19:45 * adlai is placing offers in the book, not market orders
19:49 kakobrekla i forgot, do you use buttstamp too? if so i have sort of an exploit for their so called trading engine
19:50 * adlai does not
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20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00038 = 41.097 BTC [+]
20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196300 @ 0.00038082 = 74.755 BTC [+] {2}
20:19 mircea_popescu adlai ok so what did you have in mind ?
20:19 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway? << so he can make a buck ?
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20:21 decimation re: meritwashing < I think the way this plays out in actual us business is that you are friends with someone who controls bezzlars
20:23 mircea_popescu Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет сок :D
20:24 decimation heh
20:25 adlai 03:19:17 | [adlai away: zzz]
20:25 adlai 03:19:26 +mircea_popescu | adlai ok so what did you have in mind ?
20:25 mircea_popescu lol
20:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101750 @ 0.00037822 = 38.4839 BTC [-] {2}
20:26 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#994882 << i've been running it on N btc of my own money, how many are you willing to risk?
20:26 assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 05:19:40; mircea_popescu: adlai how much capital were you looking for ?
20:27 mircea_popescu well, if you make a f.mpif pc and report your trades, say daily, and submit monthly sum reports, i dunno, 10 ?
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20:28 adlai technically speaking, wouldn't this be simplest accomplished by having you provide me with api keys to an account on, say, btce, and us both publishing a readonly key to that account?
20:28 adlai (this would also be more profitable than other exchanges...)
20:28 mircea_popescu i don't keep accounts on teh scamchanges.
20:29 adlai this necessitates trusting them, even if indirectly
20:29 mircea_popescu nope. it's on you.
20:29 mircea_popescu this is how finance works.
20:38 decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/jill-kelley-e-mails-depict-a-striving-tampa-socialite-and-a-smitten-military-brass/2015/02/03/ef8cb06c-a800-11e4-a06b-9df2002b86a0_story.html?hpid=z2 << apparently being a bigshot usg general means you get to handpick 'honorary ambassadors' to serve you meals
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20:38 assbot Jill Kelley e-mails depict a striving Tampa socialite and a smitten military brass - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubAI0 )
20:38 decimation "Nor has anyone fully explained why Allen, while busy overseeing the war in Afghanistan, exchanged a blizzard of correspondence with Kelley — between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of e-mails, according to some senior defense officials. Other officials have said that figure includes many duplicate notes and exaggerates the extent of their communications, adding that there were only about 300 total e-mails."
20:39 decimation why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick?
20:40 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/a/e2RWY << made this quick likbez for the folks here
20:40 assbot JTAG on PogoPlug. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubOPz )
20:41 * adlai does some arithmetic
20:42 decimation then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that everybody just loved the job. And
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20:42 assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1Auc9lf )
20:42 decimation that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
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20:43 decimation asciilifeform: why do you need jtag? to blow the fuses?
20:43 decimation or for online debugging?
20:44 asciilifeform decimation: lamer reason: it makes reflashing considerably faster.
20:44 decimation ah
20:44 asciilifeform decimation: no need to reboot into a working kernel
20:44 asciilifeform decimation: also lets you play with bootloader safely
20:44 asciilifeform (it is actually possible to reflash the bootloader through serial port alone, but takes forever)
20:44 decimation is that a flash card? can you boot off that?
20:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00038225 = 21.9794 BTC [+]
20:45 asciilifeform where?
20:45 asciilifeform there's an sd in the slot, yes. you can boot off that, but only if you have a working bootloader
20:45 decimation the little sim-card connector thingy on the left
20:45 decimation ah
20:45 mircea_popescu <decimation> why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick? << i wrote like a billion lines in here. why not ?
20:45 asciilifeform also, the bootloader does not automatically find kernels on arbitrary devices, you have to script it
20:45 asciilifeform and it's annoying
20:46 decimation yeah I can imagine
20:46 asciilifeform (has to be told what exactly to initialize and where the offset of kernel is, and length)
20:46 asciilifeform but this is described elsewhere and i will not waste space on it here.
20:46 mircea_popescu chick's so drastically ugly tho...
20:46 decimation one would have to write software to craft the correct binary turd
20:46 mircea_popescu she looks reconstructed out of flotsam.
20:46 asciilifeform as for jtag itself, my current favourite is 'busblaster' - made in singapore
20:46 decimation mircea_popescu: her emails are not particularly intellectually stimulating either
20:47 decimation asciilifeform: you earlier mentioned using a 'bus pirate' for spi connections
20:47 asciilifeform aha
20:48 decimation do you know the max data rate one can continuously suck off the spi?
20:48 asciilifeform 'bus pirate' is dog slow
20:48 decimation the documentation is poor.
20:48 asciilifeform i don't remember the exact rate, no
20:48 decimation I wouldn't mind having a device that interfaces to arbitrary serial ports at reasonable rates
20:48 asciilifeform 'blaster' will do 30+MHz
20:49 asciilifeform it's a little thing with a 'xilinx' fpga (nonvolatile) and 'ftdi' usb2 diddler
20:49 asciilifeform you can repurpose it for something non-jtag-ish easily enough
20:50 decimation ah interesting, one can reprogram the fpga?
20:50 asciilifeform aha
20:50 decimation that sounds useful
20:50 asciilifeform cpld really
20:50 asciilifeform it's an xc2c64a.
20:50 asciilifeform this is not a rare device, they're sold by the megatonne
20:50 asciilifeform on various hobbyist sites
20:51 decimation yeah you would just need a little reprogramming to change the serial output/input state machines
20:51 asciilifeform but if you can build 'openOCD' for your system, this will do everything the 'adult' jtag machines ($xxxxx golden toilets) will.
20:51 thestringpuller scoopbot --fetch
20:52 decimation also, today I was thinking about your rsa-signed-udp-packets thingy
20:52 decimation it struck me that you could probably use one of those edgerouter lites to make a cheap version
20:52 thestringpuller o look a hanbot
20:52 asciilifeform decimation: cheap version of what ?
20:52 * hanbot waves
20:52 asciilifeform decimation: it doesn't need dedicated hardware, strictly speaking
20:52 decimation 'check all incoming udp packets for signature'
20:52 decimation no, but it would be nice
20:52 thestringpuller how are you this evening?
20:52 asciilifeform not all!
20:53 asciilifeform there'd be no room for anything useful
20:53 asciilifeform think.
20:53 asciilifeform assume a 4096 bit key
20:53 decimation you would want enough of a protocol to identify 'possible traffic'
20:53 hanbot thestringpuller sick, but souping out nicely
20:54 asciilifeform decimation: the practical way is to sign 'hello'
20:55 asciilifeform in response to a valid, non-replayed 'hello' (from known pubkey, naturally), machine sends back a single-use rsa pubkey (generated for the occasion) to the requester
20:55 thestringpuller all the fluids! I hope you feel better hanbot !
20:55 asciilifeform who in turn generates a block cipher (symmetric) key for the occasion
20:55 asciilifeform and sends it back to the session pubkey
20:55 mircea_popescu we still doing the symetric cypher thing ?
20:55 asciilifeform machine decrypts this. now both sides have a symmetric key
20:56 decimation yeah but you would want a block cipher that could tolerate lost packets
20:56 asciilifeform decimation: nope
20:56 asciilifeform decimation: embed frame
20:57 decimation what about just signing each packe?
20:59 asciilifeform decimation: assume 4096-bit rsa. and udp mtu (576.)
20:59 asciilifeform also remember that padding exists
20:59 asciilifeform now compute the maximum payload.
20:59 decimation yeah but in exchange you can use a full-broadcast model
21:00 asciilifeform decimation: where do you intend to broadcast?
21:00 decimation well, if ip multicast were functional that would be ideal
21:01 asciilifeform but it isn't.
21:01 asciilifeform also why make the enemy's job easier by transmitting plaintext ever?
21:02 asciilifeform ideally even the 'hello' could be encrypted to the destination's pubkey if you know it (and you ought to)
21:02 asciilifeform no one sitting on the wire should be able to observe anything but garbage.
21:03 asciilifeform to log readers wondering about the purpose of the disposable rsa key: forward secrecy
21:03 asciilifeform lacking this, a captured 'hot' node would allow decryption of traffic captured at an earlier time.
21:03 decimation assuming the programmer properly cleared the old keys
21:04 asciilifeform (this is an elementary method and i did not in any way invent it)
21:04 asciilifeform assuming programmer is not retarded.
21:05 decimation asciilifeform: what about the dream of a persistent global namespace?
21:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41448 @ 0.00038233 = 15.8468 BTC [+] {2}
21:05 asciilifeform decimation: how do you suppose it plugs in here ?
21:06 decimation it doesn't. but individually signed packets do.
21:06 asciilifeform you'd have to transmit >mtu packets - or use shorter keys
21:06 asciilifeform neither really appeals
21:07 asciilifeform or rather, if you implement one of the error codings discussed earlier, you can shoot out a small signed gibblet at a time, yes
21:07 asciilifeform and have them reassemble
21:08 decimation I suppose mircea has already described why a 'global namespace' is a poor fit for chat
21:08 asciilifeform 'zooko's triangle' etc
21:09 asciilifeform thing is, if you forget about the 'memorable', there is no triangle.
21:09 asciilifeform all you need is a better memory.
21:09 asciilifeform pgp keys are, in practice, all the global namespace you could ask for.
21:10 asciilifeform nobody's going to generate a colliding key.
21:11 decimation yeah that's a good point
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21:27 thestringpuller alf: http://mightyohm.com/files/soldercomic/FullSolderComic_EN.pdf
21:31 asciilifeform thestringpuller: send that back in time to the 9 y.o. me
21:31 asciilifeform !up Vexual
21:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52997 @ 0.00038235 = 20.2634 BTC [+]
21:32 thestringpuller i imagine 9 yo you had a giant robot and a laboratory
21:33 asciilifeform no, but had soldering iron
21:36 mircea_popescu hence his ideas about thermocrypto.
21:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.my-garage.spb.ru/img/238.jpg << a cryptoanalytic soldering iron.
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21:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhxFaZ )
21:37 coderwill hi everybody
21:38 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/how-do-the-aparatchicks-live/ << hopefully the entire us civil service reads this.
21:38 assbot How do the aparatchicks live ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhxLzi )
21:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203950 @ 0.00037822 = 77.138 BTC [-]
21:44 coderwill anyone working on any new projects?
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21:45 coderwill i was reading about qntra, btw, that sounds really cool - i like the idea behind it. definitely would love to submit some material, it's going to take me a while to read 6 months of the logs though. :)
21:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'Years, decades, you've done your part to build the great progressive future... ...the work instead of imaginary devils...' << who said the general necessarily believes in anything other than the fat paycheck (not from army, naturally, but 'consulting' gigs) and cheap whores ?
21:46 mircea_popescu coderwill http://trilema.com/category/job-board/
21:46 assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhzaGb )
21:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if that scrawny harpy is what a fat paycheck buys in the us
21:47 mircea_popescu give me mongolia.
21:47 coderwill mircea_popescu: thanks for the link, must not be any jobs since it 404'd, hehe
21:47 mircea_popescu uh ?!
21:48 mircea_popescu assbot doesn't knoiw what it's talking about.
21:48 coderwill haha
21:48 thestringpuller can asswot graph be in d3?
21:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: any reason to think that the particular specimen was the primary whore ?
21:49 asciilifeform could just as easily be a spare.
21:49 mircea_popescu once we're in the camp, i wish to be in the room with alf.
21:49 coderwill also, sorry, didn't mean to just come across like i was looking for work (although this page looks great, thanks). also was just asking for conversational purposes if any new stuff is happening.
21:49 mircea_popescu for clearly it will not be the real camp, but merely a spare one.
21:50 * asciilifeform adjusts stake^H^H^H^Hchair
21:50 mircea_popescu coderwill but more productive for that purpose to read teh logs.
21:50 coderwill mircea_popescu: ok
21:50 * asciilifeform has not met especially many specimens of u.s. military brass, but the ones he saw alive gave the impression of being something quite like professional actors.
21:50 mircea_popescu dead on the inside ?
21:50 asciilifeform just another role, for these folks; all you need - hindbrain.
21:50 asciilifeform aha.
21:51 mircea_popescu lemme show you aman
21:51 mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Forces_-_20th_Chief_of_Staff%2C_Lt._Gen._Benny_Gantz.jpg
21:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/16r3suI )
21:51 mircea_popescu find me an us counterpart.
21:51 asciilifeform not familiar with this one
21:52 mircea_popescu the jews are ahead.
21:52 asciilifeform or are we just doing physiognomy.
21:52 Vexual GAMMPool spec are a little thin, what do you actually wanna do?
21:52 mircea_popescu we're doing physiognomy.
21:52 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea ass graph is pretty big, dont' think 1 in regards to: http://trilema.com/2015/open-assbot-wot-website/ will be very pretty
21:52 asciilifeform if physiognomy - not that different from a certain boss's boss i remember
21:53 mircea_popescu thestringpuller like 500-1k points on a 700k field neh.
21:53 thestringpuller http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << well even with heavy force the lords are overlap each other. maybe l2 may not be as bad. gimme on sec and I'll update with postive ratings from L2
21:54 mircea_popescu ah you were working on a corner of this weren't you
21:54 mircea_popescu course nothing loads.
21:54 thestringpuller not loading for you?
21:55 asciilifeform but it wouldn't surprise me the least bit to learn that today's u.s. colonels who think too much, tend to retire as colonel
21:55 asciilifeform perhaps mats has something to add to this.
21:55 thestringpuller oh you run noscript don't you?
21:56 mircea_popescu thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp
21:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform thinking too much is fine, for as long as it's mere spinning, and never productive.
21:57 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp << Actually used imagemagick 20 minutes ago assembling a document package for qntra post in progress
21:57 mircea_popescu god help the man that a) thinks ; b) gets a result and c) expects the system to CHANGE to accomodate HIS result.
21:58 mircea_popescu the system changes for no man and even less than that for mere thoughts.
21:58 mircea_popescu exactly why the system must be trampled underfoot.
21:58 thestringpuller the graph is interactive via js, dumping to img will take that interactivity away. but if that's "best" yea you could run it and dump out raw svg elements that aren't interactive.
21:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can't even assume that 'medcom' is really representative of the rest of the american army.
22:00 mircea_popescu can it be interactive via html5 then ?
22:00 decimation mircea_popescu: people who think (the phrase in the us is 'change the system from the inside') are generally beaten down and otherwised smashed by the system
22:01 thestringpuller the <canvas> element still requires js: http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_canvas.asp
22:01 thestringpuller i guess for "noscript users" it can precompile to SVG's and they can just stare at it and imagine it being interactive
22:02 mircea_popescu lol
22:02 mircea_popescu can't hurt to degrade
22:02 decimation I think moldbug captured the picture well: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782110 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782111
22:02 assbot Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:13; decimation: "(I actually have great sympathy for the professional. In a bureaucratic oligarchy like ours, the professional both rules and is ruled. At the top, there is no one on top of him. Yet he cannot change his mind. He would simply be replaced. There are always younger, more eager professionals. Sovereignty is conserved; it is always humans who rule; and yet, it seems that no one rules. Who gets to put
22:02 assbot Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:15; decimation: stand there, and look like a captain. Chicks dig it. And yes, sir, it sure does pay.)"
22:02 mircea_popescu heh
22:02 mircea_popescu a) what chicks and b) what pay.
22:02 decimation well, see your post
22:03 decimation apparently while you are on a hopeless mission in the desert you can email that 'socialite'
22:03 mircea_popescu i'd rather email a goat.
22:03 mircea_popescu and the unmitigated impudence of these "journalist" shitheads ...
22:04 mircea_popescu tell you what, the fact that he can't round up gawker, atlantic, wp and anyone else who ever wrote his name in print and shoot the lot
22:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: b) they're all reasonably loaded (for a clerk) a) they're generally old enough, not necessarily for impotence, but to mostly lack interest.
22:04 mircea_popescu is enough reason to make his profession -ev for a man of ability and intellect.
22:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the notion that old men are not inclined to fuck and the notion that poor people are content with poverty are both nonsense of the first degree.
22:04 mircea_popescu if he could get a better cunt he would,
22:04 mircea_popescu and if he could get two he would get two.
22:05 mircea_popescu it's not like she's some sort of anais nin, this woman.
22:05 mircea_popescu she's readily replaceable with a wooden valet.
22:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: impudence... he can't round up... and shoot the lot << remember michael hastings ?
22:06 mircea_popescu (and by the way : kardashian ? WAY better model for any 16 yo girl than this levy sandsack)
22:06 mircea_popescu dude, that's not how this goes.
22:07 asciilifeform http://whowhatwhy.org/2013/07/14/the-michael-hastings-wreck-video-evidence-offers-a-few-clues << for n00bz
22:07 assbot Video: Journalist Murdered? - WhoWhatWhy ... ( http://bit.ly/16r6Vta )
22:07 asciilifeform ^ article picked more or less at random
22:07 mircea_popescu if the question can be asked, it's not in your camp.
22:08 mircea_popescu no dude. send your aide de camp to drag a naked victim behind his horse all the way to your gate and nail them there.
22:08 mircea_popescu that's what i mean.
22:08 mircea_popescu not bs cockless "oh, maybe they spiked his car, maybe they cut his glass stool and he spilled wine on his good tie'
22:08 asciilifeform and general has this prerogative today where? in zimbabwe?
22:09 asciilifeform possibly gaddafi was the last.
22:09 asciilifeform or at least, last until sanity comes back to the planet.
22:10 mircea_popescu i do not care where.
22:10 mircea_popescu without it, the pay is not good enough.
22:10 decimation even he gave up that prerogative in exchange for friendship with usg, that turned out to not serve him very well
22:11 asciilifeform the pay is not good enough << can't disagree
22:12 asciilifeform imagine having to put up with the company of the whole muppet pyramid.
22:12 asciilifeform above and below.
22:12 mircea_popescu let amanda hess go conquer baghdad the 50th time
22:12 mircea_popescu i'll be sure to tweet criticisms of her accessories as she does it.
22:13 asciilifeform in other news,
22:13 asciilifeform 277777.
22:15 decimation re: muppet pyramid: actually gen. stanley mccrystal (whom michael hastings interviewed) pretty much 'gave up' because of the muppet pyramid above
22:15 mircea_popescu yeah well... it's always wise to give up on libertardism when one is 20
22:15 mircea_popescu rather than 50, with 30 years worthless except for that camp's whims.
22:16 decimation hey he went to afghanistan and annoyed some pederasts
22:16 mircea_popescu completely unrelated, "Poe's outlook is at best a wild romanticism and at worst is not far from being insane in the literal clinical sense. Why is it, then that stories like The Black Cat, The Tell-tale Heart, The Fall of the House of Usher and so forth, which might very nearly have been written by a lunatic, do not convey a feeling of falsity?"
22:16 mircea_popescu not a bad question.
22:16 asciilifeform afaik, the generals (and bulk of the war machine) aren't into liberasty as such. they're 'only following orders' (TM)
22:16 asciilifeform i.e. 'it's a job'
22:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and how much must your enemy pay you for you to love him ?
22:17 decimation asciilifeform: more than likely they were promoted because they looked especially good with their hand on the captain's wheel
22:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do not convey a feeling of falsity << ahahaha. i'm nearing the end of what must be my 5th rereading of mr o's complete output.
22:18 mircea_popescu such patience.
22:18 coderwill do you all things will be more or less the same they are now, geopolitically in the next 5 years, or do you all think they will change drastically?
22:18 coderwill think things*
22:18 mircea_popescu seems dubious the us still has five years left in it.
22:18 mircea_popescu perhaps.
22:18 mircea_popescu the eu, idem.
22:18 asciilifeform coderwill: why do you ask ?
22:18 coderwill asciilifeform: i stopped reading the news because it is so negative
22:19 mircea_popescu he hibernates five years at a time and would like to know if to drink some coffee.
22:21 coderwill i used to worry a lot about what was going to happen in the world, but the things that are happening make no sense
22:21 decimation http://www.wired.com/2015/02/fcc-chairman-wheeler-net-neutrality/ << lol "The phone network’s openness did not happen by accident, but by FCC rule. How we precisely deliver that kind of openness for America’s broadband networks has been the subject of a debate over the last several months. "
22:22 assbot FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler: This Is How We Will Ensure Net Neutrality | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOjkYW )
22:22 mircea_popescu coderwill as chance would have it, im reading a bit of orwell discussing exactly the same.
22:22 coderwill mircea_popescu: interesting - i'm not sure if it will be similar to orwell, but i just bought a book this afternoon called "the third policeman"
22:22 asciilifeform 'It is as though in the space of ten years we had slid back into the Stone Age. Human types supposedly extinct for centuries, the dancing dervish, the robber chieftain, the Grand Inquisitor, have suddenly reappeared, not as inmates of lunatic asylums, but as the masters of the world.'
22:22 mircea_popescu http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part12 chapter iii if you feel like it.
22:22 assbot Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOjsYw )
22:22 asciilifeform ('notes on the way')
22:23 coderwill cool thanks for the link
22:23 mircea_popescu extinct eh ?
22:23 asciilifeform supposedly-extinct.
22:24 asciilifeform ^ was really mr o's puzzlement at the failure of own mental model, rather than statement of fact
22:24 mircea_popescu "While I have been writing this essay another European war has broken out. It will either last several years and tear Western civilization to pieces, or it will end inconclusively and prepare the way for yet another war which will do the job once and for all."
22:24 mircea_popescu pretty excellent seeing how it's ww2 he's talking about.
22:25 coderwill mircea_popescu: it's really interesting that his sentiment was that it is either going to be this one or the next one that does us all in
22:26 lobbes mircea_popescu: seems dubious the us still has five years left in it. << would you not agree that it is already dead? A decomposing body still sticks around for some time. Where is the line of 'no longer left'?
22:26 mircea_popescu lobbes well i can agree wiht that, but apparently he doesn't, so when talking to him i'll pretend like perhaps it hasn't.
22:28 decimation http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "The parts he likes makes sense and the others are crazy; what do you do? Here's the problem with public officials--because that's really his audience--deciding to ignore the Constitution. If you are the President, if you are a member of Congress, if you are a TSA agent, the only reason why somebody should listen to what you say instead of horse-whipping you out of town
22:28 assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/16rc58y )
22:28 decimation for your impertinence is because you exercise power via the Constitution. If the Constitution doesn't count, you don't have any legitimate power. You are a thief, a brigand, an officiant busybody, somebody who should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail for trying to exercise power you don't possess. So, if you are going to--if we are going to start ignoring the Constitution, I'm fine with that; the first part I'm
22:28 decimation going to start ignoring is I have to do whatever they say."
22:29 asciilifeform decimation: in practice they 'sit on the bayonets'
22:29 asciilifeform not a piece of parchment.
22:30 asciilifeform as the 'sovereign citizen' crackpots reliably discover
22:30 mircea_popescu decimation quite exactly the trunk that my earlier "half a milion people shoot half a million cops".
22:30 mircea_popescu no constitution ? then quo warranto ? bang-bang.
22:30 asciilifeform (the folks who like to walk into a court waving a copy of american constitution)
22:30 decimation well that crazy guy in pennsylvania tried that, didn't get very far
22:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so then shoot them.,
22:30 mircea_popescu the only reasonable answer in that context.
22:31 decimation !up Vexual
22:32 coderwill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_theory
22:32 assbot Olduvai theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/16rd1de )
22:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a little more complicated than this. just like quite a few folks who have never drawn a proper 'federal' paycheque are really members of usg, quite a few folks (tens of millions) in usa are in fact 'policemen' though they do not know it
22:32 coderwill A few years ago I read a white paper about this thing called the Olduvai Theory.
22:33 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/02/04/angela_ames_sex_discrimination_case_breast_feeding_mom_loses_because_men.html
22:33 assbot Angela Ames sex discrimination case: Breast-feeding mom loses because men can lactate too. ... ( http://bit.ly/16rda0b )
22:33 asciilifeform for instance, the petty criminals who are nurtured and catch-and-released to terrorize the white suburbanites
22:33 asciilifeform (to keep real estate bezzle heated up)
22:33 mircea_popescu i have my doubts about that theory.
22:33 coderwill Essentially, it states that due to population growth and the rate of consumption, and that at some point in the future it will be mathematically implausible for the world to meet the consumption demand.
22:34 mircea_popescu coderwill what demand ?
22:34 asciilifeform you'd need an old-fashioned, 1918-style multi-sided (5+) civil war to turn usa into something thermodynamically stable
22:34 coderwill Food, fresh water, energy
22:35 mircea_popescu people seem manifestly capable of living without food.
22:35 coderwill mircea_popescu: yes, but collectively it ends in geopolitical turmoil, it seems
22:36 PeterL coderwill: that assumes constant population growth
22:36 mircea_popescu anyway, scanning that page it seems that a) it's more of the usual american retardation, ala http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ as it simply rebrands a collection of old shit
22:36 assbot Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/16re3pG )
22:36 mircea_popescu and b) wtf 2bn. i don't want to consider a 2bn end scenario. what's wrong with 10 million ?
22:37 mircea_popescu i've not even met one million people yet i'd ever wish to meet again, wtf billions.
22:37 coderwill well, hopefully no one will get hurt anywhere, it's awful the state of the world
22:37 coderwill not many people trying to help one another, more so many serving their own interests despite one another
22:38 coderwill hence why i stopped reading the news
22:39 mircea_popescu hopefully no one will get hurt ?!
22:39 coderwill the mass media pushes a divisive agenda, whatever causes the most polarization makes the most profit
22:39 mircea_popescu no baby, hopefully everyone will get hurt
22:39 mircea_popescu and to such a degree they kill their children with their own hands, at that.
22:39 coderwill ?
22:39 mircea_popescu !
22:40 mircea_popescu check us out, brincusi discussing things with hegel.
22:41 asciilifeform here, let me help:
22:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#964345
22:41 assbot Logged on 04-01-2015 01:02:05; mircea_popescu: apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...
22:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62250 @ 0.00037661 = 23.444 BTC [-] {2}
22:42 mircea_popescu ten million is plenty.
22:43 asciilifeform that'd be roughly... 3000 b.c. ?
22:46 mircea_popescu something like that. reroll homer.
22:47 asciilifeform while we're at it, i'd like there to be a maximum of six mosquitoes.
22:48 asciilifeform !s tolerate bugs
22:48 assbot 3 results for 'tolerate bugs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tolerate+bugs
22:48 lobbes coderwill: there will always be turmoil. The best thing you can do is look out for your own interests.
22:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2014#650478
22:48 assbot Logged on 29-04-2014 22:56:06; asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (He’d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) “How many bugs are we going to tolerate?” he demanded. “Seven,” Teitelman shot back.'
22:49 lobbes asciilifeform: can we apply that to wasps, for that matter?
22:49 asciilifeform etc.
22:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: atrocious OCR! 'They hand us now in Shrewsbury jail' << hang.
22:51 * asciilifeform has the dead tree, or would've been a bit puzzled
22:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform Uke Miller was a pretty good one too
22:51 * asciilifeform wonders what else crept in
22:52 mircea_popescu tons. most are -> arc
22:53 asciilifeform incidentally, the biggest downer of 'djvu' wavelet compressor is that it... actually introduces typos like this (!)
22:53 asciilifeform a 'c' is quite similar to an 'e' after all, esp. if the press was running a little hot that day
22:53 asciilifeform hence - compressed.
22:53 asciilifeform (introduces into images!)
22:53 PeterL I have a couple of ebooks with typos like that
22:54 asciilifeform PeterL: that'd be bad ocr
22:54 asciilifeform i'm speaking of the reverse, something which no engl. speaker has likely ever seen
22:55 PeterL EG game of thrones, I still don't know if the character's name is Jojen or joien, since it shows up with about equal amounts of each spelling?
22:55 mircea_popescu yup
22:55 asciilifeform PeterL: the former
22:56 mircea_popescu you actually read that thing ?
22:56 asciilifeform tried to, once.
22:56 PeterL I thought it was great
22:56 mircea_popescu o really ?
22:56 PeterL it seems like something you would like?
22:57 mircea_popescu im too snobbish even for sf
22:57 asciilifeform atrociously written thing
22:57 asciilifeform but, oddly enough, tolerable film.
22:57 PeterL in the way of people do what they want and rape each other and kill anybody in their way, etc
22:57 asciilifeform quite the opposite of the usual way around
22:58 asciilifeform !up Vexual
22:58 Vexual black sails is back
22:59 Vexual 'hoes and money and violence an polotx
23:01 Vexual i guess it's gonna try explain the battle for control of nassau
23:06 phillipsjk mircea_popescu, cooperation is common in nature. Even without submission/domination. Examples include Geese taking turns leading migrations, alarm signals (sometimes seen as altruistic), herd/school protection.
23:07 phillipsjk What is rare/non-existent is altruism, which is what I assume you meant here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2015#1006655
23:07 assbot Logged on 04-02-2015 19:39:56; mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
23:07 mircea_popescu which of these examples is "without submission/domination" ?
23:08 phillipsjk Did you understand the examples?
23:09 mircea_popescu that's not a question that can be answered.
23:10 mircea_popescu but it would seem to me that even should i decide to take turns with the woman as to who's on top, this does not automatically preclude us from enjoying a D/s relationship.
23:10 phillipsjk Well, with the goose example, the lead bird has to work extra hard to fly through the air. By taking turns, the "leader" does not have to drope dead half-way.
23:10 mircea_popescu tho perhaps some observer may think he understood the example better than the geese
23:10 mircea_popescu sure.
23:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169450 @ 0.00038236 = 64.7909 BTC [+] {2}
23:13 mircea_popescu and to complete your headspin : there is no altruism, either ever seen or in principle possible, outside of a domination/submission relationship.
23:13 mircea_popescu by its very definition, no less. to give, someone has to take.
23:13 phillipsjk You seem to be claiming that hierarchy always forms in groups of animals. Therefore, any non-hierarchical behavior noted just reflects the observer's bias.
23:14 mircea_popescu whosoever takes will take in the manner that it is given, and there you have your submission.
23:14 trinque phillipsjk: have you ever seen geese up close?
23:14 trinque they fight each other and establish dominance ongoingly
23:14 mircea_popescu phillipsjk quite.
23:14 mircea_popescu trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese
23:14 BingoBoingo !b 8
23:14 assbot Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EPHQGT.txt )
23:14 trinque yup
23:14 mircea_popescu somehow they think women are also geese.
23:15 asciilifeform geese are pestilentially common here.
23:15 mircea_popescu will try to get them in line, and whatnot.
23:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform throughout eastern canada too, or at least were.
23:15 decimation I saw a goose trying to cross an interstate once; it caused a feather explosion
23:15 asciilifeform they like to cross roads, slowly, single file, and - given their lengthy 'runway' - one might imagine that they would occasionally get flattened. but i have yet to see this.
23:17 decimation they are actually a fairly significant object to hit at high speed
23:17 asciilifeform decimation: as per the famous 'frozen turkey test' at airplane factories.
23:17 mircea_popescu can be a decent 20-30kgs sure.
23:18 phillipsjk Um It is my understanding that the turkey is supposed to be thawed for the test.
23:18 asciilifeform thawed << would make sense
23:19 mircea_popescu well it's engineering... if they test with it still frozen
23:19 mircea_popescu stronger airplane.
23:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'тяжело в учении легко в бою'
23:20 asciilifeform (bonus: throw that in 'google images')
23:20 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: .bait
23:20 mircea_popescu yup
23:20 ben_vulpes (sil vous plait)
23:20 mircea_popescu lol i got nuttin
23:20 decimation re: stronger airplane << can be a problem - what if you want the engine to shut down?
23:21 mircea_popescu http://demotivators.to/media/posters/726/5720776_tyazhelo-v-uchenii-legko-v-boyu.jpg << here, stan's.
23:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5AMJ0 )
23:21 asciilifeform http://demotivators.to/media/posters/726/5720776_tyazhelo-v-uchenii-legko-v-boyu.jpg
23:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5AMZr )
23:21 asciilifeform lol!
23:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu 'inb4'
23:21 asciilifeform http://anekdotov.net/pic/photo6/0744110i.jpg
23:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5ATV0 )
23:22 mircea_popescu anekdotov sounds like a great name
23:22 mircea_popescu i'd make him ambassador to the us.
23:22 asciilifeform approx. translation for n00bs - 'the more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war.'
23:22 mircea_popescu "train hard - fight easy"
23:22 asciilifeform aha.
23:23 mircea_popescu im a great believer in the principle myself.
23:23 mircea_popescu all the way to making the girls do the cucumbers.
23:25 phillipsjk source of my last comment: http://www.snopes.com/science/cannon.asp
23:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5BOol )
23:26 mircea_popescu there's a lot of lulz on that topic.
23:26 Vexual thfe
23:26 coderwill altruism in nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWH_9VRWn8Y
23:26 assbot Penguin, Depressed... Werner Herzog - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5CqdG )
23:26 mircea_popescu like the us borrowed a uk gun, and then trying to understand why the damage was so bad asked the english
23:26 mircea_popescu who told them to thaw the chickens
23:27 mircea_popescu etc etc
23:27 Vexual push dont pull
23:27 mircea_popescu that looks like a dude. scam.
23:27 Vexual ts not even a thing
23:28 Vexual flocculant
23:28 asciilifeform 'what color is is? Just bought a plane and would like to know whats in it.'
23:28 asciilifeform -- from an 'amazon' review.
23:29 Vexual lol
23:29 BingoBoingo !up diatonic
23:30 phillipsjk mircea_popescu, you called it :"The way the Air Force had it figured, if a canopy could survive an impact with a frozen bird, it would certainly live through a chance introduction to one that could still fly under its own power. They further believed cold chickens provided a better simulation of a bird that had tensed to prepare for the impact. "
23:31 mircea_popescu lucky guess.
23:33 mircea_popescu in any case : so called "altruistic" behaviour as perceived by humans in animals is nonsense of a prime order even afore all these discussions. soemthing in the line discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/
23:33 assbot Peripateticists, kinda, except girls not boys, bare cunt instead of toga and walking around the house not the garden, but otherwise exactly the same. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5E92I )
23:33 mircea_popescu "You're thinking of animals based not on interaction with animals, but on interactions with human depictions of animals. Such as animals drawn by a person in a book, "animal" cartoon characters made to resemble people, people in animal plush costumes and so forth. All of this creates in you the false but deep seated impression that animals are residually a sort of people. This is not true. Animals are not at all a sort
23:33 mircea_popescu of people with different characteristics. Animals are animals. It's a thing into itself, not some anthropomorphized cuteness. Fundamentally, we could present the problem in saying that you're a furry."
23:34 BingoBoingo scoopbot: -fetch
23:34 asciilifeform why not obsess over 'altruism' of cells in a multicellular organism ?
23:34 asciilifeform wtf is the thread even about
23:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform basically, this thread is about new guy trying to make sense of the batshit insane that is b-a.
23:35 asciilifeform lol
23:35 mircea_popescu can't say i dislike his approach.
23:35 decimation what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria?
23:35 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/muckrock-dea-documents-show-parallel-construction-widely-used/
23:35 assbot MuckRock: DEA Documents Show Parallel Construction Widely Used | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5EEK1 )
23:35 mircea_popescu decimation but it's being held captive ?
23:36 decimation it likes to submit to its betters
23:36 mircea_popescu well... biggers, at any case.
23:36 trinque almost done rsyncing my wad o blocks to the server; when I come back in a bit imma publish the first bundle
23:36 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007275 << https://github.com/adlai/scalpl
23:36 assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 02:44:25; coderwill: anyone working on any new projects?
23:36 assbot adlai/scalpl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5EX7I )
23:37 trinque might've taken a while but the end result isn't a piece of shit
23:37 mircea_popescu cool.
23:38 BingoBoingo <decimation> what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria? << It's not altruistic. It is lazy and wants to be fed with minimum effort.
23:38 decimation re: python < so I was comparing guido von rossum and linus torvalds today, found a good quote on hacker news https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8772325
23:38 assbot GvR fading away would help but not cure the problem he started, i.e Python desig... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5FmHh )
23:38 asciilifeform re: qntra article 'parallel construction' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770468
23:38 assbot Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.
23:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no, it just wants to go on doing what it's best at!
23:39 mircea_popescu pure us capitalims i tell ya
23:39 decimation comparing guido and linus, one finds guido did all the wrong moves
23:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Hence the PNGs of the pages and the hashes.
23:40 decimation whatever life python has left is primarily driven by usg academic types
23:40 decimation who use it as a license-free matlab (numpy)
23:40 mircea_popescu decimation except ruby came to peak and then withered before python managed to get a new major version out :D
23:40 asciilifeform decimation: python is widely used as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl
23:40 mircea_popescu ^
23:40 decimation guido has managed to completely ignore this set in exchange for creating some random dangly bits that no one cares about
23:40 * asciilifeform uses it in that and only that capacity
23:40 mircea_popescu i actually use it on occasion, when bash is gnarly.
23:41 asciilifeform aha. exactly this
23:41 decimation guido could have delivered a better 'non-perl' instead of derping with stupid shit
23:41 BingoBoingo substitute for perl, substitute for matlab, and all of this on version 2. Version 3 is a hostile hardfork.
23:41 mircea_popescu decimation other people's could haves you know...
23:42 decimation BingoBoingo: yeah that's precisely my point
23:42 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that was the lulziest thing ever. "we'll break with 2.x but still have 1.x issues"
23:42 BingoBoingo I guess even the scientific stuff though is just acaderps prefering python to perl
23:42 decimation all the 'web developers' have already moved on to node.js or whatever crazy shit of the day
23:43 decimation so guido has no audience other than the one that he is trying hard to ignore
23:44 BingoBoingo He doesn't really have an audience anyway. Python 2.x is fine
23:44 mircea_popescu yeah, what IS the web crowd doing these days ?
23:44 BingoBoingo Well, fine for being a perl substitute
23:44 mircea_popescu i think node.js was like 2011
23:45 decimation I donno, they are probably selling each other software as a service as a service
23:45 BingoBoingo It's still node.js and iterations on that theme.
23:45 BingoBoingo !s ryanxcharles
23:45 assbot 24 results for 'ryanxcharles' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ryanxcharles
23:45 mircea_popescu i think it's ripe for a revolution then
23:45 mircea_popescu it takes them ~3 y.
23:48 mircea_popescu actually julia sounds very interesting, have we discussed yet ?
23:48 mircea_popescu You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function
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23:48 mircea_popescu this would be the first compiler brave enough to expose itself to programmer scrutiny thus
23:49 mircea_popescu supposedly faster than c
23:52 decimation huh. interesting
23:52 decimation uses 1 based arrays though :(
23:53 BingoBoingo decimation: Julia is generally aimed in the direction of scientific computing crowd.
23:53 mircea_popescu ianae.
23:54 decimation 1-based arrays are a matlabism, which got it from fortran
23:54 mircea_popescu so they are.
23:54 mircea_popescu still, this is like the first thing i've seen in nigh on 20 years making me almost feel like trying to code in it.
23:57 * adlai wonders whether mircea_popescu has heard of lisp
23:57 mircea_popescu !s lisp
23:57 assbot 487 results for 'lisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp
23:57 mircea_popescu perforce.
23:57 adlai :P
23:58 adlai specifically referring to things like http://www.sbcl.org/1.0/manual/Statistical-Profiler.html#Statistical-Profiler C-f 'disassembler'
23:58 assbot Statistical Profiler - SBCL 1.0 User Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5LejL )
23:58 mircea_popescu im {un/}fortunate to be in this position where thje actual business end of my mental life can in no manner by done by machines. so lisp is entirely useless to me.
23:58 adlai !up Vexual
23:58 mircea_popescu the sorts of tediums i have machines do is generally seen as closest to c
23:59 mircea_popescu practically, closer to bash for that matter.
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