#trilema | 2016-01-15

keep looking

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3044 @ 0.00049566 = 1.5088 BTC [-] {2}

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;;later tell dub re: comment in https://archive.is/aLk6f, you omit the reason why this is an excellent s-pass filter: technical barriers to entry leave low-content photons behind. cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512

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... ( http://bit.ly/1UTmldc )

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Logged on 14-01-2016 00:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.

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The operation succeeded.

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ben_vulpes re: "not operating a public urinal", tel aviv municipality has begun charging shnekels

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adlai notes that mircea_popescu has voluntarily stuffed a gold bar into one of these, which is quite generous of him; once it runs low, it should really be somebody else's turn to jam the meter

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danielpbarron: do you still have a copy of trinque's gentooizer?

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http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/12/25_ann-wotpaste-alpha-oh-and-i-found-another-fucked-up-corner-of-gpg.html#fnr.1 << this is a not-bug-feature in deed^I (ping trinque ), gives the operator lead time in the nickel snatching race

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[ANN] WOTPASTE Alpha (oh and I found another fucked up corner of GPG...) ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmLvpX )

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ben_vulpes: I have it

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239184

neato, trinque. i'd love a copy.

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danielpbarron

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Logged on 15-08-2015 22:32:03; trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig

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having logs is so great.

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I mean that as broadly as possible.

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moreover logs with cryptographically preserved time capsules

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deed-by-month is the enemy of merkle mountaineering greatness

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4434 @ 0.00049653 = 2.2016 BTC [+]

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http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/12/21_development-costs-of-user-interface-development-and-mitigating-them-with-clojurescript.html#fn.1 << shit, my business model leaked

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Development Costs of User Interface Development (and mitigating them with Clojure/Script) ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmMFBY )

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ben_vulpes: seen yet? https://www.iit.bme.hu/~salvi/archive/snippets/subdivision-source.html

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https://map.what3words.com/ << " what3words has identified every one of the 57 trillion 3mx3m squares on the entire planet with just three, easy to remember, words. Every location on the earth now has a fixed, easily-accessible and memorable address. Unpopulated places have addresses for the first time ever, of course, but now so do heavily populated places like favelas in Brazil where there are no roads or numb

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ered houses. Moreover the three word addresses are available not just in English but in French, Spanish, Portuguese, Swahili, Russian, German, Turkish and Swedish with more languages on the way. The addresses in other languages are not translations but unique 3 word addresses in those languages."

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next up, utxo-bloating "global triverb billboard"

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one of my favorite parts of addresses is how they indicate relative proximity to someone who knows the map

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i don't really see that in 3w

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you're looking at implementation bugs, the idea is priceless

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or worthless. or both

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http://blog.babelmonkeys.de/2014/04/29/data-flow-party.html more gcc fun

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A little data-flow analysis party trick ... ( http://bit.ly/1UToYvm )

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adlai: on my list is having the... urinal as you call it... announce its hunger

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by god, sometime this month it might even have a fully synced trb to poke too

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I'm still waiting on your generous donation btw, Anduck

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notbad alt-deedbot I saw https://bitsig.io/

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bitsig - Blockchain Timestamps ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTq4aw )

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re sks thread signed bundles of keys on everyone's websites is probably the best way to go

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4310 @ 0.00049896 = 2.1505 BTC [+] {2}

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bestgood alt-deedbot is http://cryptograffiti.info/

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CryptoGraffiti - Bitcoin blockchain messages as text ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTqWft )

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ben_vulpes: re: 3x, that's an excellent point. they really don't take that into account.

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because it actually does what idiots think it does, and thus minimizes gnashing of teeth

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adlai has been studying https://github.com/HugPuddle/Apertus lately, will probably push blockchainfs onto the endless moebius TODO stack, along with utxosetfs

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GitHub - HugPuddle/Apertus: Apertus - Store data, browse and communicate on your favorite Blockchains. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTr5j4 )

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the latter purely to annoy those who don't understand why bloom filters belong in Bitcoin

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2390 @ 0.00050317 = 1.2026 BTC [+]

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2015#1341098 << books must be written one prop at a time

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Logged on 11-12-2015 15:09:13; asciilifeform: adlai: have you considered starting a proper blog ?

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adlai: how does apertus encode the data?

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call it an experiment in a new funding model for open source software / pheature poker

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punkman: unimpressively

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https://webbtc.com/tx/78f0e6de0ce007f4dd4a09085e649d7e354f70bc7da06d697b167f353f115b8e << spam, spam, fees, spam, utxo bloat, spam

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Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Transaction Details ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTsHcu )

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ben_vulpes: the one with "locality-sensitive-hashing" is http://geohash.org/

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adlai wouldn't blink at a USG imprisonment warrant (and seizure of License to Mine) against such txen

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Bundy builds roads https://twitter.com/amandapeacher/status/687837389092331521

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!up punindented

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tx

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I'll let this here http://www.spatial-effects.com/urisa/

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dont mention it

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dunno that im into geocoding at all nearly so much as legibility

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well, you can build a hash using that algo and then represent it as you like

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a mnemonic if you're into that

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good thing about that algo is larger areas produce shorter hashes

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did you catch my point about proximity info embedded in the way things are done traditionally?

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no, let me check the log

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relative proximity in terms of radius or direction and distance?

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addresses increment from known points, streets are in locations known to natives. addresses encode 'where', legibly.

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adlai has rekindled interest in publicurinalfs due to meatpope wanting to immortalize [some arbitrary edition of] {the,his} Bible

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well, you have a recursive algo as well then, but the epicenter varies right?

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meatpope, like the other kinds, has rubies to donate, provided it's done in a kosher manner according to satoshivision etc

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yes, one must know how to read them. the universality, plus the randomness of hashing completely buries the location signal.

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what are you building :)

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https://github.com/google/open-location-code/blob/master/docs/comparison.adoc nice list of geohashes

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open-location-code/comparison.adoc at master · google/open-location-code · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTtQRf )

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me? nothing, just pointing out features of the way addresses already work.

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mkay, I have a 'dirty' mind

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lol dirty how?

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People who really ought to be reading Qntra instead of medium and livejournal https://archive.is/EbFmp

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Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn want to sabotage Bitcoin on behalf of the US government. - Andrew Auernheimer ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTtY3m )

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BingoBoingo: /= read eval print

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?

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adlai ... loops

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geocoding is interesting for allowing interactions in real life, interactions in real life are interesting to build markets, ...

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it's a lisp joke

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eggog <2lsd

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!s meth-lsd

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3 results for 'meth-lsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meth-lsd

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adlai is a lotus eater and humbles himself before higher powers such as the legends of bias, zeno, jmc, and satoshi

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punindented: real life interactions have just about epsilon need of geocoding to proceed

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protections-urged-recent-sex-assaults-nyc-cabs-36218847 << lulz. "please, be more like progressive saudi arabia, where wimminz aren't allowed to leave their houses without their chaperones. kthxbye."

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NYC Police Boss Urges 'Buddy System' for Women in Cabs - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTuvlT )

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but hey, posit a specific case and let's proceed from there

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what about secure real life transactions

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3565 @ 0.00050366 = 1.7955 BTC [+] {3}

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between previously unknown people

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i bought a car for 6kusd from a man i found on craigslist who...sent me his address.

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and yes i took a goon, but who doesn't?

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haha, well, I wasn't thinking of the second hand vehicle market

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punindented: the good-enough solution (drops) gets rediscovered on p2p lists quite often these days... yet customers seem to keep using 'evolution'

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and yes, the likes of asciilifeform and i gather punindented boggle at the notion of doing h2h's with marginally-known parties with kilobuxx on the barrel

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although asciilifeform probably does the sme thing with esoteric computer hardware. how would i know...

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o this is the sr thread again?

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drops are best described not as a coordinate, but using natural language... helps make the system more expensive to game

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pretty much, unless punindented has something else in mind?

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nah, let it go

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hey, nobody's going to know what you're talking about unless you go so far as to talk about it

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What happens when Vox.com makes the guy who was interested in Bitcoin sell https://archive.is/u2Uok

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Timothy B. Lee on Twitter: "Is Mike Hearn's post here overstating the magnitude of Bitcoin's crisis? https://t.co/qxLqfk9VRR" ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTuRc9 )

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http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/12-things-to-know-about-chevrolets-30000-bolt-ev << one for BingoBoingo, the boltmeister.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1UTuVbS )

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<ben_vulpes> and yes i took a goon, but who doesn't? << Persons who are their own goon

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pete_dushenski: I'm fine watching the bolt ans tesla both suck together

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btw BingoBoingo i did not miss the brodin line, chuckled

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but are you really that swole yet?

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ty ben_vulpes

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looks like the vw golf-sized bolt weighs damn near two tons. gooooo environment !

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ben_vulpes: Not that swole yet

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and lg chem is making the battery for the bolt (but really, who else ?)

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pete_dushenski: so is there something wrong with the volt drivetrain that it's not showing up in pickups etc?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6001 @ 0.00049817 = 2.9895 BTC [-] {3}

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it looks like the least stupid thing to come out of the ecomovement from over here

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it's more the market demographics

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there's pretty well zero overlap between greenies and truck drivers

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but that low end torque!

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gm tried 'hybrid' pick-ups, sold like 10 of em

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nono not the hybrid part, i dgaf abt that. the electric motors with onboard generation.

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the thing is, electric cars have to optimise aero. in the gm 'hybrid' pick-ups, the heinous 'aero' front lip spoilers completely negated the ground clearance, and therefore much of the appeal of trucks in the first place

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...

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ecoshits aside

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oh hm

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they cant conceive of unbundling the good idea from the rhetoric.

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you want torque, buy a diesel.

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diesel makes moar smoak too, moar prestige

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too loud.

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you're obviously not a pick-up truck buyer

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they're 80% for show

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electric drivetrain with onboard generation is entirely the way to go. the train people figured this out a looong ime ago; "diesel electric".

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pete_dushenski: yes there's clearly something at work other than sanity

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yup, "people who shouldn't have money with middling amounts of it"

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one of your favorite threads :P

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trains also don't accelerate and decelerate as quickly or as frequently

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as road vehicles

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goodness no, they're designed by smart people to...work efficiently as capital equipment.

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fucking interstate highway project. greatest goddamn misstep.

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http://www.automotiveaddicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2011-chevrolet-tahoe-hybrid-side.jpg << tahoe hybrid, same '2-mode' powertrain as silverado pick-up, same retarded-on-a-stick aero kit

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... ( http://bit.ly/1J6f88R )

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BURN YOUR CAR.

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buy a bike, you'll learn more about trading and addiction from not getting run over than you will from losing money on plebian status symbols

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better yet, rent one, if you live in a halfway modern metropolis

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and skip the helmet

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adlai is still waiting for his bus

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ben_vulpes has bikes at three houses around town

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helmet still recommended if yr gonna play the alleycat

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The GM hybrid trucks were far more popular for being portable generators than for their hybrid drive, which almost never actually... drove the trucks

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but yeah notrly necessary for the casual pannier derp

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what's an alleycat ?

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oh ho ho

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in cyclist lingo

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bike scum shit

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"here are ten checkpoints in the metro area. GO!"

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adlai would kill [his reputation] for a livable career as a bike messenger

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excellent way to literally die honoring a contract (or serving a subpoena)

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pete_dushenski: are there no bike scum where you live?

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tallbikes, gorilla bars, swing-arms?

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not really. the potholes and the snow are pretty potent deterrents i guess

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if there are, they're few and far between

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shame

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lol

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you should see pedalpalooza

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adlai: might enjoy it

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00049566 = 2.4287 BTC [-] {2}

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adlai is too busy riding his other bike to notice/'google'

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https://www.flexport.com/blog/amazon-ocean-freight-forwarder/

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Amazon Has Just Registered to Sell Ocean Freight ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6g5hz )

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lol

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i can see them snapping up a mess of freighters at rock bottom prices as the bdi keeps collapsing

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"But the idea of buying ocean freight is far less appealing for U.S. companies selling on the Amazon Marketplace. " << you don't fucking say i'm pretty sure i learned during the alcoa saga that nobody exports from the states any more

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pete_dushenski to sleep

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wow 40-footers going for 1.3k from shenzen to la

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betcha you can keep the box too

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;;8377.5 * 0.24

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Error: "8377.5" is not a valid command.

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;;calc 8377.5 * 0.24

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2010.6

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ahaha man if they're letting you keep the container you might even be able to make a profit just selling the empty boxes for scrap

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wait that's stainless

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:(

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anyways, it's not amazon, it's amazon cn, and they're not buying boats, they're operating as a freight forwarder.

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Atomicat

;;up Transisto2

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Error: "up" is not a valid command.

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Atomicat

!up Transisto2

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00050603 = 1.3916 BTC [+] {2}

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Atomicat

Transisto2: Hi

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2847 @ 0.00050144 = 1.4276 BTC [-] {2}

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;;sell 1000

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(sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)

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;;market sell 1000

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Bitfinex | A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 405869.8939 USD and would take the last price down to 404.7000 USD, resulting in an average price of 405.8699 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0048 seconds

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;;market sell 2000

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Bitfinex | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 809373.3715 USD and would take the last price down to 403.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 404.6867 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 10.3600 seconds

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;;market sell 5000

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Bitfinex | A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2012068.3060 USD and would take the last price down to 399.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 402.4137 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 18.6682 seconds

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;;market sell 10000

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Bitfinex | A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 3922378.5897 USD and would take the last price down to 362.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 392.2379 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 28.1804 seconds

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;;market sell 100000

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Bitfinex | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7221905.5597 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0010 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.2191 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 43.9365 seconds

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6907 @ 0.00050849 = 3.5121 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00050999 = 1.224 BTC [+]

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ben_vulpes yay. it does not account for encoding, as seen in view-source:http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f3e6ddef-9c00-43d9-ab4f-3d02d64409f4/?raw=true

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also, if there will ever be need for clearsigned-only service, ask me to make new mailing list next to btc-dev (and unlike deedbot, it allows attachments, too)

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with great sadness i have to announce that now it does not even mutilate filenames

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00050999 = 1.8105 BTC [+]

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to the extent it was designed, it was designed to eat ascii.

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what would you expect to see there?

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when submitting form, browser sends along the encoding.

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not a biggie to send it back, even slap the http header to raw text (text/plain;charset="$charset")

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browser also submits

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r

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\r\n for every newline

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but sure

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i can almost guarantee that i am not catching encodings right now

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;;nethash

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770518178.742

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where'd it all go? did mickey sell his miners too?

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adlai clarifies http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370823 : http://dpaste.com/2AKWGVC.txt aka "experiments in positive-sum crowdfunding"

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Logged on 15-01-2016 06:04:24; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2015#1341098 << books must be written one prop at a time

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... ( http://bit.ly/1J6p5Du )

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