#trilema | 2016-01-14

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00:03	mircea_popescu	"old crows", used to be a thing.
00:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00051584 = 11.1937 BTC [-]
00:18	mircea_popescu	!up idkwhat2dowithmy
00:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37909 @ 0.00051203 = 19.4105 BTC [-] {3}
00:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050684 = 3.1171 BTC [-]
00:21	idkwhat2dowithmy	Thank you mircea, I've been reading qntra and thought I'd pop in here
00:21	mircea_popescu	cool.
00:25	*	BingoBoingo almost has build machine back together to resume V-enture
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01:07	BingoBoingo	V-enture seems to have worked
01:08	mircea_popescu	wd!
01:13	BingoBoingo	atm rescanning an ancient wallet to see if anything is there. Hopefully datacenter gets back to me tomorrow about dedi-box, which is practice for colo-box
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01:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26287 @ 0.00050796 = 13.3527 BTC [+]
01:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13682 @ 0.00050796 = 6.9499 BTC [+]
02:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00050484 = 17.7451 BTC [-] {4}
02:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00049927 = 16.8753 BTC [-] {2}
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02:49	deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.15378746 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b71
02:51	BingoBoingo	That trump bet's looking like it could make it to 100 BTC
02:51	BingoBoingo	!t m s.bbet
02:51	assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (530 shares, 0.06 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.0001184 / 0.00013 (2930 shares, 0.35 BTC)
02:59	BingoBoingo	trb behaving as expected so far, no forgetten gold in the wallet.dat yet
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03:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9636 @ 0.00051059 = 4.92 BTC [+]
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03:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00051309 = 18.1121 BTC [+] {3}
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04:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18936 @ 0.0005155 = 9.7615 BTC [+] {2}
04:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15617 @ 0.0005118 = 7.9928 BTC [-]
04:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7621 @ 0.00050253 = 3.8298 BTC [-]
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05:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050253 = 1.5578 BTC [-]
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05:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00050179 = 10.939 BTC [-] {2}
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06:02	punkman	http://i.imgur.com/kbB3Z84.jpg
06:02	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Kf4bNs )
06:08	punkman	https://www.rt.com/news/328844-indonesia-suicide-attacks-isis/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYqiNpkUoAAnxK2.jpg check out the diy grenades
06:08	assbot	Suspected ISIS attacks in Jakarta — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/231amAd )
06:08	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/231amAh )
06:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00051 = 8.976 BTC [+] {2}
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07:00	mircea_popescu	punkman the whole thing of even having black people in star wars. seriously ? the retcon of all time.
07:00	mircea_popescu	"oh black people always existed, we just didn't film any back in the 60s."
07:06	fluffypony	Billy Dee Williams (who played Lando Calrissian) was in Empire Strikes Back and in Return of the Jedi
07:06	fluffypony	and he's black as night
07:08	shinohai	;;blocks
07:08	gribble	393287
07:11	mircea_popescu	so the retcon forks off episode V rather than episode I ? or wait... actually this franchise starts midway does it ?
07:12	mircea_popescu	i guess that's what i get for commenting on stuff i never bothered to actually see.
07:12	shinohai	I skipped the Jar-Jar awfulness. I have seen first 3 movies and the latest
07:13	mircea_popescu	mmkay so : Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope being the 1977 & first release of the thing, has no black people in it. does it ?
07:13	shinohai	I don't recall. Don't think so unless it is a background character.
07:14	fluffypony	well
07:14	mircea_popescu	"Star Wars was released theatrically in the United States on May 25, 1977. It earned $461 million in the US and $314 million overseas, totaling $775 million. It surpassed Jaws (1975) to become the highest-grossing film of all time; its gross was later surpassed by that of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982). When adjusted for inflation as of 2013" << check it out, there was inflation since the 80s ?!
07:14	fluffypony	it kinda did
07:14	fluffypony	David Prowse was black
07:14	mircea_popescu	ah did it ? alrighty then.
07:14	fluffypony	but I doubt many people knew it
07:14	mircea_popescu	why the fuck do these people still bitch about it then ?!
07:14	fluffypony	I mean James Earl Jones, not David Prowse
07:14	shinohai	Ah!
07:15	fluffypony	and in the prequels there was Samuel L Jackson
07:15	*	mircea_popescu has no idea who any of these people are, googles the latter, he looks about as black as wesley snipes wtf.
07:15	shinohai	But alas, James Earl Jones was but a voice, underneath they still made vadar a wrinkly old white guy.
07:15	mircea_popescu	oh
07:15	mircea_popescu	voice actor
07:15	fluffypony	yeah, that's why I said I doubt many people knew that Darth Vader's voice was a black guy
07:16	mircea_popescu	i dun think it would have "count"-ed for the same people.
07:16	shinohai	Samuel L Jackson kills in th the new Hateful Eight movie.
07:16	fluffypony	I guess the running joke is that most of the films only had 1 (visible) black actor/actress
07:16	mircea_popescu	eh, his best work is pulp fiction.
07:16	fluffypony	but they had a bunch of aliens, so it's a dumb argument
07:17	fluffypony	"there weren't enough Gungans in the original trilogy!"
07:17	fluffypony	#GunganLivesMatter
07:17	shinohai	I liked Four Rooms, but that was only co-produced.
07:17	mircea_popescu	fluffypony well moreover it's only relevant in the sense of fan service commentary. "oh, really, it just so happened all your bridge bunnies were 180 and freshly laid off the siegfried follies ? fancy that coincidence into the future!"
07:18	punkman	episode 4 had one black person, then the added a bunch more in 5 and 6
07:18	mircea_popescu	"oh, you made a movie in 2010 and there's a buncha black dudes in it ? how considerate of you, where were you in 1952!"
07:19	fluffypony	punkman: Lando Calrissian was the only memorable on-screen black character, tho
07:19	fluffypony	but in a movie where a small green hobbit-creature is a major star, I don't know if that counts
07:19	mircea_popescu	he looks spanish
07:20	fluffypony	to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race
07:20	shinohai	Moorish
07:20	punkman	fluffypony: much more than Samuel L. Jackson
07:20	mircea_popescu	shinohai yeah, or i guess brazillian-portuguese.
07:20	shinohai	mircea_popescu is right, he would be the perfect space Moor
07:20	mircea_popescu	fluffypony that'd be because they are lol.
07:20	fluffypony	yeah
07:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050045 = 14.0626 BTC [-] {2}
07:21	mircea_popescu	saw a proper black dude yest, about 6 feet fifty-eight inches, ebony-black. very pretty.
07:22	*	mircea_popescu tries to recall which west african country was a spanish dominion already.
07:23	punkman	Angola?
07:23	mircea_popescu	mmm
07:24	punkman	actually that's portuguese
07:25	punkman	seems the spanish didn't ever go further than the Sahara
07:25	shinohai	Casablanca and Morroco are straight - up Spanish tho
07:25	mircea_popescu	nono there was one
07:25	mircea_popescu	equatorial guinea! there.
07:25	mircea_popescu	exactly where these dudes be from.
07:26	mircea_popescu	between cameroon and gabon
07:29	mircea_popescu	in unrelated news, guy complains about not getting my email, i tell him his shit's probably badly set up, he tells me my shit's prolly blacklisted, i go what the fuck. spend a time googling to see if this can be even tested, turns out it can, i end up on http://www.mail-tester.com/web-WeHDBS which says that i'm perfect except "listed in pyzor".
07:29	assbot	Spam Test Result by mail-tester.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkjX )
07:29	mircea_popescu	i do some digging around, it turns out that, get this : https://github.com/SpamExperts/pyzor/issues/39 they list THE FUCKING MESSAGE. so if you ever wondered why the string "123" can't be sent through email, take a motherfucking guess.
07:29	assbot	Listed on Pyzor · Issue #39 · SpamExperts/pyzor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkAo )
07:29	mircea_popescu	who gave imbeciles computers! BE ASHAMED OF YOUR BAYESIAN SELF!
07:30	mircea_popescu	(hey, but 123 is a... symbol, right ? it MAKES SENSE to attach meaning to symbols, right ? buncha illiterate louts!)
07:32	mircea_popescu	and of course the "service" "has moved" to nowhere and is imported downstream without any sort of sanity checking by unwarrantedly-popular mass market services and on it fucking goes.
07:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00050007 = 11.3016 BTC [-]
07:39	mircea_popescu	!up Atomicat
07:40	Atomicat	mircea_popescu: Hi and thanks
07:40	mircea_popescu	yw. who're you ?
07:40	Atomicat	Bitcointalk member
07:40	jurov	hahahaha
07:40	mircea_popescu	:))
07:45	Atomicat	mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52741
07:45	assbot	View the profile of MPOE-PR ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPV0Kk )
07:45	Atomicat	Is this your profile on bitcointalk?
07:45	mircea_popescu	you're not THAT are you ?!
07:45	mircea_popescu	mno.
07:46	Atomicat	For a long time I though that's your profile.
07:46	mircea_popescu	no, that's hanbot
07:47	Atomicat	haha hanbot's idle time: 0d 6h 38m 51s
07:47	mircea_popescu	;;seen hanbot
07:47	gribble	hanbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <hanbot> deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_122015.txt.asc
07:47	Atomicat	MPOE-PR Last Active: December 01, 2014, 11:41:22 PM
07:48	mircea_popescu	there is a log, it's searchable, have a ball.
07:48	Atomicat	BTW, What's your profile on bitcointalk?
07:48	mircea_popescu	i dun have one.
07:48	mircea_popescu	!s tardstalk
07:48	assbot	105 results for 'tardstalk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tardstalk
07:49	Atomicat	You own MPEX and don't have a profile on bitcointalk??
07:50	mircea_popescu	aha ?
07:53	deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 9.66061887 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b25
08:03	punkman	http://theweek.com/articles/598367/china-building-first-military-base-africa-america-should-nervous
08:03	assbot	China is building its first military base in Africa. America should be very nervous. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPWmVB )
08:03	mircea_popescu	heh. usg can't afford to even consider this matter. it "never happened".
08:09	punkman	!up PeterL
08:10	PeterL	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2016#1367133 << we don't need any hash power to make TRB mining pool, miners bring the has power, we tell them what to mine
08:10	assbot	Logged on 12-01-2016 01:10:25; assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 00:59:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool.
08:10	mircea_popescu	PeterL im planning to offer a little bonus, but someone DOES have to run the actual pool.
08:11	PeterL	item for trilema jobs board?
08:11	mircea_popescu	not really. in my mind, trilema jobs board is a sort of "free for all" - items that anyone can pick up. this is only open to l2, really.
08:12	PeterL	Atomicat, I used to be active on bitcointalk, but then I found this place. Now I never go there anymore.
08:12	mircea_popescu	you don't advertise jobs requiring a clearance in the want ad section of teh newspaper either.
08:12	PeterL	good point
08:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26837 @ 0.00049932 = 13.4003 BTC [-] {2}
08:18	shinohai	I only made an account a few days ago during the bitbet brouhaha
08:19	shinohai	Other than that every post seems to be whining about "being censored" and sych
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08:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82550 @ 0.00049927 = 41.2147 BTC [-] {2}
08:49	mircea_popescu	!up Atomicat
08:49	Atomicat	PeterL: What is a TRB mining pool?
08:50	mircea_popescu	there's a PR-Bitcoin maintained by the power rangers. there's also the true bitcoin, maintained by the bitcoin foundation ( http://thebitcoin.foundation/ )
08:50	assbot	..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
08:50	mircea_popescu	there's a lot of non-compliant or vaguely compliant mining pools out there.
08:50	mircea_popescu	the idea'd be to have an actually compliant pool, for once.
08:51	mircea_popescu	(not that pools are such a bright idea in the first place, but sadly this is a dropped ball we can't so far fix)
08:51	Atomicat	mircea_popescu: I have a good programming background and might be interested in running a pool if I can offer something other pools doesn't
08:51	mircea_popescu	!up PeterL
08:51	mircea_popescu	Atomicat the best avenue for you would be to register in the wot and spend half year or so reading hte logs to get up to speed.
08:51	PeterL	Atomicat, it would be a mining pool run using the same rule as TRB (the real bitcoin)
08:52	mircea_popescu	!up AndChat-63600
08:53	PeterL	iiuc, the current reference implementation of trb does not support pooled mining, so somebody would have to port the current trb ruleset into a mining pool program
08:53	Atomicat	mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool.
08:54	Atomicat	Sorry for asking too many questions but what's a #b-a pool?
08:54	PeterL	same thing, different name
08:54	mircea_popescu	#b-a is short for #bitcoin-assets
08:54	Atomicat	ah
08:54	PeterL	#b-a is this group, which is where trb is developed
08:55	PeterL	although, somebody outside this group could pick up trb and start their own pool, so I guess it is not exactly the same thing
08:55	mircea_popescu	"the differences, while present, are not yet important"
08:56	PeterL	#b-a mining pool implies it is run by people within the #b-a WoT, trb pool implies it follows the rules set forth in trb
08:56	mircea_popescu	ha! quite.
08:56	PeterL	as far as we know, we are the only people using trb?
08:56	mircea_popescu	pretty much thinking like a scientist.
08:56	mircea_popescu	PeterL this is a public channel. for obvious security reasons trb is a superset thereof.
08:58	PeterL	<mircea_popescu> pretty much thinking like a scientist. << is there any other way to think?
08:58	Atomicat	I will look into this later today. What are the rules set forth in TRB?
08:58	mircea_popescu	Atomicat you wanna look into V and all that.
08:58	mircea_popescu	brace yourself, while derps derped on tardstalk etc, a LOT of work went on towards actual bitcoin, and so there's a lot of catch up to do.
08:59	PeterL	there is a mailing list, on the website mircea_popescu linked, and most of it is discussed in these logs
08:59	Atomicat	V? What's the difference between Bitcoin Core and TRB? Does it use the same blockchain?
08:59	thestringpuller	good morning #b-a
08:59	mircea_popescu	it does use the same blockchain.
08:59	mircea_popescu	v is a signature-based versioning system and other things.
09:00	PeterL	also read this: http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/25/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-i/
09:00	assbot	An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part i. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok6H8T )
09:00	mircea_popescu	it allows you to build software on the basis of patches signed by people you specifically trust.
09:00	mircea_popescu	come to think about it... what would you say to "what is v ?" mod6 ? asciilifeform ? anyone else ?
09:00	mircea_popescu	twelve words or less.
09:00	Atomicat	How do I get a positive trust from someone on this list: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/? I would really love to !up myself. ;p
09:00	assbot	A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O )
09:00	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer.
09:01	mircea_popescu	!rate Atomicat 1 New blood
09:01	assbot	Atomicat is not registered in WoT.
09:01	mircea_popescu	Atomicat register, basically.
09:01	thestringpuller	Atomicat: start with
09:01	thestringpuller	!help
09:01	assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
09:01	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it's complicated.
09:01	thestringpuller	seems complicated in the sense the trustworthy miners don't advertise themselves but hide in the darkness.
09:02	mircea_popescu	but i'll quote this much to you : 你这么牛掰，你怎么不会汉语啊。😁哈哈哈，反正你也不懂，我觉得很有意思！祝你好运哈！
09:02	thestringpuller	and whereas still to date no mining hardware company has ever delivered equipment on time
09:02	Atomicat	mircea_popescu: I have registered with gribble.
09:02	Atomicat	Isn't that the WOT?
09:02	PeterL	<thestringpuller> mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer. << people offering "mining services" might all be scammers, but there might be people mining for themselves who are not scamming
09:02	mircea_popescu	Atomicat nah, it forked a year ago over a misunderstanding.
09:02	PeterL	but I might be wrong
09:03	thestringpuller	PeterL: this people do not advertise. probably have to go to the deserts of china to find them.
09:03	mircea_popescu	china is actually not in a desert. mongolia sort-of is.
09:04	Atomicat	I following this guide: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
09:04	assbot	#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
09:04	Atomicat	I think it needs to be updated.
09:04	mircea_popescu	specifically ?
09:04	Atomicat	followed*
09:04	mircea_popescu	yes but what's wrong with it
09:05	PeterL	aha, it still references gibble WoT
09:05	mircea_popescu	oh
09:05	PeterL	needs update to AssWoT
09:05	mircea_popescu	;;later tell hey ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
09:05	assbot	#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
09:05	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:05	mircea_popescu	uh.
09:05	Atomicat	Yep, that's what I meant
09:05	mircea_popescu	;;later tell ben_vulpes hey you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
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09:05	assbot	#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
09:05	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:06	mircea_popescu	;;msg
09:06	gribble	Error: "msg" is not a valid command.
09:06	mircea_popescu	;;list
09:06	gribble	Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, (1 more message)
09:06	Atomicat	Can I register with assbot using a bitcoin address?
09:06	shinohai	!s http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
09:06	assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
09:06	assbot	60 results for 'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.bitcoin-assets.com%2Ffirst_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
09:06	PeterL	lol, poor hey getting your message
09:06	mircea_popescu	Atomicat no, you need a pgp signature.
09:07	thestringpuller	G.R.E.A.M - GPG rules everything around me.
09:08	PeterL	;;seen dub
09:08	gribble	dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 57 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <dub> hallo
09:09	mircea_popescu	;;later
09:09	gribble	Error: "later" is not a valid command.
09:09	mircea_popescu	what the fuck was it
09:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2}
09:11	mircea_popescu	;;last
09:11	gribble	[09:09:12] <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2}
09:11	mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel
09:12	mircea_popescu	;;notes
09:12	gribble	I currently have notes waiting for ben_vulpes, cazalla, crypt0queen, hey, joseph_young, kako, M-John, mike_c, nubbins`, pierre_rochard, psztorc, saifedean, TheNewDeal, therealascii, Ukto, Ukyo, whaack, and Wolf`.
09:12	mircea_popescu	there we go.
09:13	gabriel_laddel	;; later tell adlai I was referring to the dataflow paradigm.
09:13	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:13	mircea_popescu	;;notes hey
09:13	gribble	Sent 7 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
09:13	mircea_popescu	;;notes therealascii
09:13	gribble	Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <adlai> fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault
09:13	PeterL	;;seen Ukyo
09:13	gribble	Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 40 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
09:13	mircea_popescu	heh. so basically most gribble traffic is from b-a huh,
09:14	mircea_popescu	;;notes crypt0queen
09:14	gribble	Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <Michail1> Need ya to contact me. House fire, and the cleanup crew broke my sign. Snapped off the A. Do you have another for sale or the 'ACCEPTED' part?
09:14	mircea_popescu	;;later tell michail1 you know the later tell thing is public right ?
09:14	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:17	mircea_popescu	!up xiaomorph
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09:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00050901 = 15.2703 BTC [+] {2}
09:57	mircea_popescu	!up DerpUnion
09:59	DerpUnion	so whats the deal with Classic, gavin is starting to look desperate
10:00	mircea_popescu	"starting" eh.
10:00	DerpUnion	first it was 20MB, then 8MB-8GB, now its down to 2MB, that is like atleast a 10x change in his "technical position"
10:02	mircea_popescu	gavin looks more or less like http://40.media.tumblr.com/8897aa45b63e00398849f8d57ecd11f0/tumblr_mevisnYxfK1ruyqizo1_1280.jpg , which is fitting.
10:02	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/231vIgK )
10:04	DerpUnion	mircea_popescu: Whats the deal with Erik Voorhees supporting larger blocks, u still in touch with him?
10:04	mircea_popescu	;;seen evoorhees
10:04	gribble	evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 15 hours, 6 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
10:04	mircea_popescu	not in a coupla years.
10:04	deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - DOW low under 16000 before April 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1225/dow-low-under-16000-before-april-2016/#b25
10:07	thestringpuller	!gettrust assbot evoorhees
10:07	assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \|http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=evoorhees \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/
10:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00051183 = 16.6857 BTC [+] {3}
10:11	mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c here's a thought, in http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ might be a good idea to hide users not seen in i dunno, a quarter ? a year ? something ? explained, and with link for "full list".
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10:11	assbot	WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/231wU3S )
10:11	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:11	mircea_popescu	!seen gribble
10:11	mircea_popescu	and kakobrekla - how about assbot getting a !seen which returns "timestamp of last successful !v response" ? so as not to have to use gribble's.
10:12	mircea_popescu	cut right down on the name squatting business.
10:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25599 @ 0.00051328 = 13.1395 BTC [+]
10:14	thestringpuller	I can't get the numbers to work to make mining profitable. I don't see how it would be possible. It's like flushing BTC down a toilet.
10:15	DerpUnion	id reckon its only possible with subsidised or free electricity
10:16	thestringpuller	that's not the problem. it's the escalating difficulty.
10:16	mircea_popescu	you recall the mpoe-pr's buffett quote ?
10:16	thestringpuller	any miner going online today will never break even at the retail price point
10:16	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: oh yea. it's zero sum. I have that saved somewhere around here.
10:16	mircea_popescu	so... yeah. it isn't nor could it be.
10:17	DerpUnion	how cld that be? if your running cost is 0 and your income non-zero, u will eventually recoup
10:17	DerpUnion	though that cld be a long eventually
10:17	mircea_popescu	link him then thestringpuller ?
10:18	thestringpuller	From the horse's mouth: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1985.html
10:19	mircea_popescu	!rate atomicat 1 New blood
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10:19	DerpUnion	thestringpuller: think i might have read this b4, but will go thru it again, thx
10:20	mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.atomicat.1:5483b037c87df6ab61aeef4e9e34a256445265b6491b4cefe4b0540842b5edbe
10:20	assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for atomicat with note: New blood
10:20	mircea_popescu	" The domestic textile industry operates in a commodity business, competing in a world market in which substantial excess capacity exists." and subsq.
10:21	thestringpuller	Relevant part hanbot had posted >> "Over the years, we had the option of making large capital expenditures in the textile operation that would have allowed us to somewhat reduce variable costs. Each proposal to do so looked like an immediate winner. Measured by standard return-on- investment tests, in fact, these proposals usually promised greater economic benefits than would have resulted from comparable expenditures in our
10:22	mircea_popescu	actually check out this wonder : https://archive.is/9Ao8F#selection-37.331-37.5373
10:22	assbot	Chairman's Letter - 1985 ... ( http://bit.ly/231zarE )
10:23	thestringpuller	and then "But the promised benefits from these textile investments were illusory. Many of our competitors, both domestic and foreign, were stepping up to the same kind of expenditures and, once enough companies did so, their reduced costs became the baseline for reduced prices industrywide. Viewed individually, each company’s capital investment decision appeared cost- effective and rational; viewed collectively, the decisio
10:23	Atomicat	mircea_popescu: I really appriciate it.
10:24	mircea_popescu	cheers.
10:24	thestringpuller	DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry
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10:25	mircea_popescu	the strange with bitcoin is that mining is ALWAYS a market in which supracapacity exists, for the odd reason that mining is a ~0 demand activity, which is altogether a concept unknown in economy so far.
10:25	mircea_popescu	what happens is that the same nominal amount will be distributed to all producers uniformly by lottery, no matter the volume of production.
10:26	mircea_popescu	that there exists no marginal demand created by production increase nor any demand destroyed by production shortages makes the situation quite peculiar.
10:26	thestringpuller	This is why you get stories of people investing in mining and holding BTC until price escalates then sell portion to get net profit. But bear market has prevented that for the past 1.5-2 years
10:27	mircea_popescu	there IS the implicit fiat short where you finance your mining with [tax deductible] fiat losses, and maintain your profits in bitcoin.
10:27	mircea_popescu	which is the primary driver for the extreme run-up in hashing we've been experiencing the past coupla years.
10:27	mircea_popescu	but this behaviour is very difficult to model.
10:27	thestringpuller	aha! the plot thickens.
10:28	thestringpuller	!up DerpUnion
10:29	thestringpuller	i had a theory the "profitable" miners (ones that got in early before major difficulty increase vis-a-vis jgarzik getting first avalon miner and paying it off in 1 month), will drop the price to push other miners offline.
10:29	mircea_popescu	i don't trust jgarzik's ability to correctly account for a business venture, for one thing.
10:30	mircea_popescu	"old miners" do what you say in cases such as saudi arabia cutting prices to sink obama's hopes of reindustrializing the us, sure. but note that there's a strong "god-given" element to this : the saudis didn't BUILD those oil deposits.
10:30	mircea_popescu	in a sense they're stuck with them. much like a preppy kid that's stuck with his parents house.
10:31	mircea_popescu	the other kids in school'd BETTER think his dad's house is cool, or else he stands to lose a lot. so he has a vested interest in having the sluttier chicks in class over by his pool each weekend, that other kids in better situations don't.
10:32	thestringpuller	this is how gatsby tried to rise to power, but was struck down by "old money". it would seem miners would operate under the same mentality.
10:33	mircea_popescu	you are aware that's a book, written about "how it is to be rich" by someone who was himself poor ?
10:34	mircea_popescu	something like https://archive.org/details/memoirsoftalleyr02talliala would make a better sample of "what it's like", that dude was loaded.
10:34	assbot	Memoirs of Talleyrand : Talleyrand-Périgord, Charles Maurice de, prince de Bénévent, 1754-1838 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1mYilNs )
10:35	punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370176 I suspect bitfury is a wholly-owned subsidiary of TMSC
10:35	assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 15:24:47; thestringpuller: DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry
10:35	thestringpuller	f. scott fitzgerald really didn't get experience "the rich life", it's just interesting to me that "old miners" operate similar to "old money". i do find it intriguing the proletariat of America found that book so fascinating in declaring "the american dream" dead.
10:39	Atomicat	How can I register on MPEX and is there any profittable assets to invest in currently?
10:39	thestringpuller	Atomicat: http://mpex.co/faq.html#3
10:40	mircea_popescu	iirc mpex assets have been the only profitable sort of bitcoin assets throughout bitcoin's history.
10:40	mircea_popescu	now, just how profitable and which... that's an open question.
10:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31128 @ 0.0005077 = 15.8037 BTC [-] {2}
10:41	mircea_popescu	but, illo tempore, http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
10:41	assbot	The best investments in the history of Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DBmu )
10:41	mircea_popescu	as well as, for completness, http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
10:41	assbot	The list of discontinued assets on MPEx on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DI1j )
10:42	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: thanks for the link. french bourgeois life during that time. my what a time.
10:42	mircea_popescu	you know who the guy was right ?
10:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7586 @ 0.00050752 = 3.85 BTC [-]
10:42	thestringpuller	I'm reading about him right now and his diplomacy in france.
10:43	thestringpuller	seems dope as hell: "His career spanned the regimes of Louis XVI, the years of the French Revolution, Napoleon, Louis XVIII, and Louis-Philippe."
10:43	mircea_popescu	right. napoleon got to be napoleon for two reasons and a spot of luck. the ancient nobility prince here named is one reason, count bernadotte, later king, is the other.
10:43	thestringpuller	Yea he was the kissinger of napoleon from what I'm reading.
10:44	thestringpuller	srsly. why go to college when you have #bitcoin-assets
10:44	mircea_popescu	and of everyone else.
10:44	mircea_popescu	and ugly as fuck, but the hottest fuck in paris. at least if you ask the sluts.
10:45	thestringpuller	punkman: are you talking about that tawainese semiconductor company?
10:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00050027 = 17.0592 BTC [-] {3}
10:46	Atomicat	mircea_popescu: "Make sure you include verbiage to reflect that you are aware you will be required to pay 50 BTC as fees for registering the account, and are prepared to do so. "
10:46	Atomicat	Is this still valid?
10:46	mircea_popescu	Atomicat yeah. but there are brokers, such as for instance jurov's coinbr.com that are less onerous.
10:48	thestringpuller	coinbr is a good deal. 0.019 btc a month
10:48	thestringpuller	;;calc 50 / 0.019
10:48	gribble	2631.57894737
10:48	thestringpuller	^- months to pay off mpex fee at coinbr rates. << so you can't beat that
11:01	Atomicat	thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu should lower the price bacuase the bitcoin was not this high at that time.
11:01	mircea_popescu	the price was actually lower historically.
11:02	thestringpuller	Atomicat: he value of a seat on the New York Stock Exchange has been falling after reaching a high nearly $4 million in 2005 to a value arounf $2.5 million today. << Significantly cheaper than a seat at the NYSE
11:03	Atomicat	lol yeah but MPEX is not as big as NYSE.;p
11:04	Atomicat	How many assets are listed on MPEX? Is there a list?
11:04	mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/
11:04	assbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfC2pe )
11:06	Atomicat	IMO, There isn't much listed there.
11:07	thestringpuller	I blame the VC-fueled derps. Others blame the school systems.
11:08	Atomicat	lol
11:08	thestringpuller	!up ascii_butugychag
11:08	mircea_popescu	eh what's the rush anyway.
11:09	mircea_popescu	as bitcoin grows there'll be more stuff to list.
11:09	ascii_butugychag	http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733
11:09	assbot	OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz )
11:09	thestringpuller	srsly?!?
11:10	ascii_butugychag	'The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious server into leaking client memory to the server, including private client user keys.
11:10	ascii_butugychag	'
11:11	mircea_popescu	SECURITY: ssh(1): The OpenSSH client code between 5.4 and 7.1
11:11	mircea_popescu	contains experimential support for resuming SSH-connections (roaming).
11:11	mircea_popescu	The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client
11:11	mircea_popescu	code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious
11:11	mircea_popescu	server into leaking client memory to the server, including private
11:11	mircea_popescu	client user keys.
11:11	mircea_popescu	ahahaha
11:15	ascii_butugychag	still waiting for anybody to suggest removing ALL the 'mebbe for later' crapolade
11:15	ascii_butugychag	or would that be t3rr0r1zm!1111
11:16	mircea_popescu	how would progress progress!
11:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115816 @ 0.00049927 = 57.8235 BTC [-]
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11:41	BingoBoingo	<fluffypony> to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race << What abot DOn Cheadle?
11:42	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: he's the exception to the rule, you also get the occasional light-skinned Nigerian :)
11:42	mircea_popescu	apparently you can also get blue eyed black people, 1 in 5mn or somesuch
11:44	thestringpuller	I'm green eyed black person, but that doesn't count.
11:44	mircea_popescu	that's somewhat more common.
11:46	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> i dun have one. << I swore you had one with mebbe 5 posts or something
11:47	thestringpuller	he does
11:47	mircea_popescu	i do ?
11:47	thestringpuller	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923
11:47	thestringpuller	unless someone squatted you
11:47	mircea_popescu	i dunno what that is.
11:54	BingoBoingo	Sounds kinda like MP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35900.msg444504#msg444504
11:54	assbot	Bounty 1 BTC for a new Friend - All my friends are ReTards ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2t75P )
11:55	BingoBoingo	Then again who can remember all they things wine talked them into
12:05	shinohai	I'm shocked not a single person has left feedback on that MP account lol
12:06	BingoBoingo	Didn't exist yet
12:06	BingoBoingo	Thermos introduced the rating system sometime in 2013
12:08	BingoBoingo	http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733
12:08	assbot	OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 and CVE-2016-0778 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz )
12:08	BingoBoingo	UPDATE: Affects all OpenSSH 5.4 - 7.1: Apply the workaround and wait for an upcoming release.
12:09	BingoBoingo	http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/5.7/common/022_ssh.patch.sig
12:09	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N9HPwL )
12:10	BingoBoingo	Sounds a lot like ascii_butugychag was always right "SSH roaming enables a client, in case an SSH connection breaks
12:10	BingoBoingo	unexpectedly, to resume it at a later time, provided the server also
12:10	BingoBoingo	supports it. The OpenSSH server doesn't support roaming, but the OpenSSH client
12:10	BingoBoingo	supports it (even though it's not documented) and it's enabled by
12:10	BingoBoingo	default."
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12:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8607 @ 0.00049802 = 4.2865 BTC [-]
12:29	mircea_popescu	in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/b17b3f105a3bfbf838443492b1974592/tumblr_n34z2zgTth1trf4yko1_500.gif
12:29	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N9KvKJ )
12:37	BingoBoingo	In still other news http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/#comment-39755
12:37	assbot	Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQ7a5c )
12:40	thestringpuller	so gavin conceded >> http://gavinandresen.ninja/classic-unlimited-xt-core << "In the long run I think everything will work out fine, no matter what happens with the block limit."
12:44	*	trinque squints at .ninja, refuses to read
12:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8864 @ 0.00050498 = 4.4761 BTC [+]
12:58	deedbot-	[Qntra] OpenSSH Client Bug Leaks Memory Contents - http://qntra.net/2016/01/openssh-client-bug-leaks-memory-contents/
13:00	BingoBoingo	!up idkwhat2dowithmy
13:01	idkwhat2dowithmy	BingoBoingo I've been reading your stuff on qntra
13:01	idkwhat2dowithmy	Good stuff
13:02	BingoBoingo	thank you
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13:51	jurov	!up ascii_butugychag
13:51	jurov	!up AndChat\|63600
13:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24536 @ 0.00051246 = 12.5737 BTC [+]
13:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14049 @ 0.00050816 = 7.1391 BTC [-] {2}
13:57	shinohai	!s http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/
13:57	assbot	Let's build a Freedom Node · Pavol Rusnak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMYVFO )
13:57	assbot	0 results for 'http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fgk2.sk%2Flets-build-a-freedom-node%2F
14:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00050539 = 5.6098 BTC [-]
14:07	mircea_popescu	maybe link him to the whole pogo thing ?
14:07	mircea_popescu	perhaps the biggest matzah ball hanging over the heads of all this well meaning & naive "foss" thing is the sheer disinclination of the kids to do research.
14:15	mircea_popescu	;;google Varg Quisling Larssøn Vikernes
14:15	gribble	Varg Vikernes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes>; Varg Vikernes \| Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: <http://murderpedia.org/male.V/v/vikernes-varg.htm>; Some Facts about Varg Vikernes & his Case \| Thulean Perspective: <http://thuleanperspective.com/2014/06/02/some-facts-about-varg-vikernes-his-case/>
14:15	mircea_popescu	heh
14:17	mircea_popescu	da nordic model is not without its quislings
14:24	BingoBoingo	!up idkwhat2dowithmy Mebbe fix your connection
14:35	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
14:35	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.47, vol: 4485.50246632 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.05, vol: 4968.71595 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 432.01, vol: 14521.98254248 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 429.615917, vol: 31225.21250000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.16367, vol: 49.14092684 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 435.3657, vol: 59.86576517 \| Volume-weighted last average: 430.622890863
14:38	BingoBoingo	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/14/server_retired_after_18_years_and_ten_months_beat_that_readers/
14:38	assbot	Server retired after 18 years and ten months – beat that, readers! • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORItnW )
14:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24751 @ 0.0005035 = 12.4621 BTC [-] {2}
14:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3599 @ 0.00050146 = 1.8048 BTC [-]
14:52	mircea_popescu	in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/037d6253192bbb88959455bc7684cccc/tumblr_mzp1mac2cP1rwmba9o1_1280.jpg
14:52	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ORJJHG )
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15:34	mircea_popescu	!up stoon
15:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00050146 = 4.5322 BTC [-]
15:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0005028 = 1.5587 BTC [+]
15:58	deedbot-	[Qntra] Water Quality Crisis In United States Lake Region - http://qntra.net/2016/01/water-quality-crisis-in-united-states-lake-region/
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16:22	mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag
16:23	ascii_butugychag	so i looked into what folks did in the dark ages prior to 'v'
16:23	ascii_butugychag	and behold,
16:23	ascii_butugychag	https://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story
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16:23	mircea_popescu	heh.
16:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33863 @ 0.00050066 = 16.9538 BTC [-] {2}
16:23	ascii_butugychag	mega-l0l, worth a read
16:23	ascii_butugychag	esp. to all the folks who want to 'automate' crypto
16:24	ascii_butugychag	i think in the time it takes to even read that page, you could write a quite respectable v-tron...
16:25	mircea_popescu	i... shot him an email.
16:25	mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag you have to know tho. in the time it takes most women to suck at their amorous life, they could make themselves into quite respectable slavegirls. so what of it ?
16:26	ascii_butugychag	l0l
16:26	ascii_butugychag	could they, now.
16:26	ascii_butugychag	could i become a respectable sumo wrestler in the time i take on the train, aha.
16:27	mircea_popescu	there's a major difference between disciplines of the mind, such as NOT BEING STUPID
16:27	mircea_popescu	and disciplines of the ass, such as being a sumo wrestler.
16:27	mircea_popescu	the former's all removal. much like our work on bitcoin pore.
16:27	mircea_popescu	for it's not really any sort of core. tis a pore.
16:29	ascii_butugychag	my mind is still boggling at the sheer monumental complexity of the signed-git crud
16:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18798 @ 0.0005028 = 9.4516 BTC [+]
16:30	mircea_popescu	complexity is improvement ; war is peace.
16:32	mircea_popescu	i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do.
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16:33	thestringpuller	the funny thing is the core devs proclaim "No need to use V or TRB method. We sign our git patches!!!!111"
16:33	mircea_popescu	herp.
16:33	ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: this is intensely selected for in the 'job market'
16:34	ascii_butugychag	(if your system makes sense to others, you might get sacked, etc)
16:34	mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag it is, but not just. the nonsense is in fact so pervasive that when someone does something horrible ~and it matters not at all what it is ~ the first, the automatic, the one true psychological defense is... "you don't understand"
16:34	mircea_popescu	as if your don't undertstanding is an extenuating circumstance, that somehow makes anything better, like salt and blowing up the whites.
16:35	thestringpuller	pretty sure security through obfuscation has been disproven.
16:35	thestringpuller	should aim for _actual_ security not pseudo security
16:36	ascii_butugychag	thestringpuller: the observation was about 'job security'
16:38	thestringpuller	there was once a Ph.D ex-NASA worker employed by my buddy at McAffee back in the day. He built job security around "filtering mail". When my buddy became a manager, he asked the d00d "What do you actually do?" The guy gave this long obfuscated explanation, and my buddy said, "So we can replace you with a mail proc script?"
16:38	thestringpuller	The d00d kept trying to say how his job was meaningful and useful, etc.
16:38	thestringpuller	So one day, buddy gives this d00d a pink slip, and replaces him with a mail proc script.
16:38	ascii_butugychag	if he had to explain at all, he clearly failed to 'securitify' his job
16:39	thestringpuller	for the old management he did, but he couldn't bullshit my buddy.
16:39	BingoBoingo	!up brg444
16:40	brg444	new rules?
16:40	BingoBoingo	?
16:40	mircea_popescu	?
16:40	brg444	couldn't seem to manage to !up?
16:40	mircea_popescu	no changes afaik.
16:40	BingoBoingo	!gettrust assbot brg444
16:40	assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. \|http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/
16:41	brg444	[16:45] <assbot> You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)
16:41	brg444	ah!
16:42	thestringpuller	https://archive.is/9ZfPP << apparently the culprit (via pete_dushenski)
16:42	BingoBoingo	!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.brg444.1:9851d7a0361f264dc91cb22826ff9694902bee07b46676ec73d9c945b4c5894b
16:42	assbot	Successfully updated the rating for brg444 from 1 to 1 with note: loan of voice
16:42	brg444	so mircea_popescu mike head already hanging in your living room?
16:42	brg444	if not safe to say you can now claim the body http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/business/dealbook/the-bitcoin-believer-who-gave-up.html
16:42	assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Peg5s1 )
16:42	mircea_popescu	that's ok, the usg can keep it.
16:43	BingoBoingo	brg444: Ah pete gave you a egrate
16:43	BingoBoingo	negrate
16:43	BingoBoingo	brg444: I'm working on the Qntra piece on the NYTimes piece
16:43	mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot brg444
16:43	assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. \|http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/
16:43	mircea_popescu	ah you got nulled.
16:43	brg444	I'm seeing that now :/
16:44	mircea_popescu	what exactly is the contention there ?
16:44	brg444	I've no idea
16:44	thestringpuller	pete didn't like what he said on reddit?
16:44	mircea_popescu	"Two years ago, Mr. Hearn quit a cushy programming job at Googles Swiss headquarters" << dude gtfo, cushy gofer job.
16:44	mircea_popescu	idiots.
16:44	brg444	likely
16:44	mircea_popescu	!rate brg444 1 whatevs
16:44	assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/022dafc3c5d7eabb
16:45	mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brg444.1:e5228957700a2b4a678420cfa4c0c73e7da1d5781f10ae355c84bc5871eb6b1b
16:45	assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for brg444 with note: whatevs
16:45	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: where are you reading that?
16:46	mircea_popescu	" Mr. Hearn, until recently one of the most prominent leaders of the Bitcoin project, became so disillusioned that in December he sold the few hundred Bitcoins he had left and quietly took a job at a new start-up."
16:46	mircea_popescu	o REALLY.
16:46	mircea_popescu	fucking nyt ffs. no research right ?
16:46	mircea_popescu	asshat didn't "become disillusioned", and he was never a prominent "leader".
16:46	mircea_popescu	he was a prominent mole, ever since the original forkattack.
16:46	brg444	more importantly do we know if he really had bitcoins ?
16:47	thestringpuller	that picture is priceless. he could at least have a few sluts to pose with.
16:47	mircea_popescu	yeah BingoBoingo qntra gotta run a piece setting "nathaniel popper" straight.
16:47	mircea_popescu	who the fuck is that asspirate anyway.
16:47	ascii_butugychag	afaik hearn was a loud, unrepentant 'garnish' from day 1 on stage ...?
16:47	BingoBoingo	Yes
16:48	mircea_popescu	yes.
16:48	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Thing hit my radar just after the Post industrial shithole piece.
16:48	mircea_popescu	but the fact that they can't keep their oh-so-precious "state secrets" from the republic bothers them immensely.
16:49	ascii_butugychag	l0l i'm still waiting for an ~actual~ seeeekrit
16:49	shinohai	!gettrust asciilifeform
16:49	assbot	Trust relationship from user shinohai to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 10 connections. \|http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=shinohai&to=asciilifeform \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/asciilifeform/
16:50	thestringpuller	"He believes that the dangers of the current impasse have not been reflected in the price of Bitcoin because the full debate has been censored in many of the online forums where Bitcoin is discussed." << When did reddit become "the forum"?
16:50	thestringpuller	oh this takes the cake >> “I want to be in a professional environment again where people are grounded in some sort of business reality.”
16:50	brg444	^ meh. Price did react and tanked when he released the XTurd
16:50	mircea_popescu	briefly.
16:50	brg444	sure
16:51	thestringpuller	What is this nonsense? Mike Hearn gets exiled from Bitcoin and decides to keep complaining?
16:52	ascii_butugychag	he is being placed in storage
16:52	mircea_popescu	what did you expect him to do, "i am an abject failure that decided to go up against better men, who first warned me and then turned me inside out like a glove" ?
16:52	mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag pretty much.
16:52	ascii_butugychag	on account of the faux-trb 'bitcoin classic' crapolade
16:52	ascii_butugychag	which is usg's new tack
16:52	mircea_popescu	nono, they were gonna matter!
16:53	thestringpuller	!up ascii_butugychag
16:53	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: i don't recall any other scammer being as vocal after they failed.
16:53	mircea_popescu	hahaha wut ?
16:54	mircea_popescu	pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ?
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16:54	mircea_popescu	how about every single idiot to date!
16:54	thestringpuller	but not _this_ vocal
16:54	brg444	thestringpuller there's not quite an attention whore like mike
16:54	mircea_popescu	in the sense that nytimes only publishes the faux accounts of SOME scammers, rather than all scammers.
16:55	thestringpuller	i guess how cops only catch some of the criminals not all of them.
16:55	mircea_popescu	yeah. "some".
16:55	ascii_butugychag	thing is, muppets are cheap
16:55	thestringpuller	i forgot. sometimes they just sprinkle crack on nigger homeowners and call it a day.
16:56	mircea_popescu	anyway, expect him to show up in system-d or whatever. "grounded in business reality"
16:56	ascii_butugychag	yesterday - hearn, tomorrow - some other
16:56	mircea_popescu	quite. they spawn like cockroaches.
16:56	thestringpuller	the pointless and the witless in full effect.
16:56	mircea_popescu	anyone remember "twobitidiot" ? no, because today it's "toomim brothers". bla bla, whatevs.
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16:56	ascii_butugychag	so i'm not seeing any actual defeat here
16:56	brg444	they're already breeding the new generation "toomim"
16:57	mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag you won't see any actual defeat no matter what happened.
16:57	thestringpuller	"Pointless : I guess sooner or later I'll lose, because idiocy has infinite hitpoints."
16:57	ascii_butugychag	why not ?
16:57	mircea_popescu	you'll sit there on a mass grave with a million corpses in it, and alternatively piss inside and go "no defeat here"
16:57	ascii_butugychag	l0lz
16:57	thestringpuller	while at the same time woodchipper continues to spew moar corpses into grave while idiots tell you "they know better"
16:58	mircea_popescu	anyway. i'm short a woman currently, so how about you lot get busy making some replacements.
16:58	mircea_popescu	date moar!
16:59	mircea_popescu	for there is no such thing as defeat, as alf correctly observes. but there is such thing as victory.
17:00	ascii_butugychag	sure is.
17:00	ascii_butugychag	i'd like to live to see it, even.
17:02	mircea_popescu	!up PeterL
17:02	PeterL	ty
17:03	PeterL	so I was trying out v, version 99997, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/14a90ef2-4619-4c89-b976-dede86778384/?raw=true I think something is wrong?
17:03	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SQNejk )
17:04	mircea_popescu	o.O da fuck is that
17:04	BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370425 << This is going in the first paragraph
17:04	assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 21:54:03; mircea_popescu: pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ?
17:04	mircea_popescu	!help
17:04	assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
17:04	PeterL	I think it should have a different fingerprint for each person, but it is showing the same for everybody
17:04	ascii_butugychag	PeterL: did you somehow copy my key over every other ?
17:05	*	BingoBoingo did not get that problem
17:05	PeterL	no, I looked at the files, they are each different
17:05	mircea_popescu	uh
17:05	mircea_popescu	can you paste the script that output that ?
17:06	PeterL	just a sec
17:06	PeterL	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/50aad8c0-d795-4237-b435-c3b4097e1ab5/?raw=true
17:07	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Pejk2B )
17:09	mircea_popescu	i meant the script. v.pl
17:09	PeterL	oh, sure
17:10	trinque	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d8baa878-8c30-47bb-ba86-f1a9d7c45877/?raw=true << I get normal output.
17:10	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PejK99 )
17:11	PeterL	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/38578613-73c4-49f2-9610-0b5ce976cb00/?raw=true
17:11	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PejOG9 )
17:12	*	adlai wonders how serene a republic must get for the first n00b to volunteer log summary deeds... not like anybody able to pay for this would either do so or volunteer himself
17:13	mircea_popescu	why deed the logs ?
17:13	BingoBoingo	Why summarize logs?
17:13	adlai	well the logs themselves are deeded (or at least the past year(s)? didn't verify it all myself)
17:13	mircea_popescu	the latter's actuyally useful.
17:13	*	adlai agrees with mircea_popescu here!
17:14	mircea_popescu	PeterL the script looks ok i have nfi how it could put out the output you show.
17:16	PeterL	this is with Perl v5.18.2, on Xubuntu
17:21	PeterL	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e0a0f007-3a1e-4ef8-aaae-fa44eed9a031/?raw=true
17:21	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PekDP4 )
17:22	PeterL	maybe? alf and mircea I copied key off net and into file, they show up fine in v list, the other two I imported into gpg key and then exported to a file
17:23	PeterL	did gpg --export mess something up?
17:23	mircea_popescu	not in this manner at any rate.
17:24	PeterL	anyway, I am off to get dinner, will check back in later sometime
17:33	*	adlai wonders whether qntra would be a better venue than deeds for summaries; it has the advantage of requiring review and implying approval, rather than merely inviting sha256 and best-effort backup
17:37	trinque	it's certainly more an editorial/publishing concern than mere archival
17:40	BingoBoingo	Qntra is the wrong place for log "summaries," News that happens in the logs yes. General summmaries of X period in the logs no. The complete logs are their own canon.
17:42	adlai	quidquid editore dictum est, sic fiat
17:48	mircea_popescu	in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/the-amateur-whore.png
17:48	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J5ODjY )
17:49	BingoBoingo	Is that getting wrapped into a trilema post?
17:49	mircea_popescu	nah
17:50	BingoBoingo	You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something.
17:52	BingoBoingo	adlai: Cliff notes are not reading shakespeare, even if the kid passes the classroom test. Even a quality summary is at best merely an aid useful for assisting a thrid or fourth rereading of the actual canon material.
17:55	mircea_popescu	in my mind at least, "summary" has merged much closer to re-threadify.
17:56	mircea_popescu	sort-of how philosophy is studied both historically and thematically. the log is historical, but there should prolly be a thematic repository
17:57	mircea_popescu	<BingoBoingo> You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something. << wait, wut ?!
17:57	BingoBoingo	That's not summary, that's commentary.
17:58	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: At some point you are surely going to find occasion to include that amateur whore in a Trilema. It will be the exact derp to properly explain some other derp who needs a good shiting on.
17:58	mircea_popescu	should that happen, which seems improbable, i'll just... fish another one ?
17:59	mircea_popescu	but i guess who knows teh future huh.
17:59	BingoBoingo	That's how USG works, just fishing new Hearnias everytime the dumber power rangers rig up a fresh truss to pretend the last one wasn't a problem.
18:00	mircea_popescu	anyway, i thought you meant you wanted to use it or something.
18:00	mircea_popescu	which, if that's what you meant, go ahead.
18:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4283 @ 0.00050082 = 2.145 BTC [-]
18:01	BingoBoingo	Ah no. I jsut suspected you might be writing a post. Then when you said it wasn't going into a post decided to jinx it.
18:05	mircea_popescu	haven't i derped enough about okcupid on trilema ?!
18:06	BingoBoingo	You've never covered anything enough on Trilema. This is a serious optimization problem.
18:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00049925 = 6.5946 BTC [-]
18:07	mircea_popescu	lol
18:07	shinohai	;;later tell mod6 V pressed out correctly this time, is building.
18:07	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:09	adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369798 << for starters, because Bitcoin differentiates between them, modulo s/were/are/ ; and because fixing this requires admitting that separating the merkle roots covering inputs and outputs might actually be onto something
18:09	assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 03:31:31; ben_vulpes: i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined
18:12	adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369694 << I hope you don't mean anything that makes it ~easier~ to use (treatises in latin are not included, but a bitch to write)
18:12	assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 02:55:26; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ?
18:12	adlai	cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512]
18:12	assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 00:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.
18:13	adlai	"can read source and figure out wtf it does and why" is almost as sybil-resistent as PoW
18:15	*	adlai would guess that it's a little early for an RFC, but has no readily available data about the time-in-market for RFCed technology
18:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0005028 = 4.7273 BTC [+]
18:27	*	adlai still things that !s S.MPOE would be more useful in deedbot than log.b-a
18:27	adlai	assbot isn't 100% correct, but this is fixable
18:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00051 = 17.1615 BTC [+]
18:31	adlai	not in the "produce non-cuantic trading engine" sense, but in the "RFC if your trade didn't appear properly" sense
18:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050188 = 9.8368 BTC [-] {2}
18:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00050133 = 10.0767 BTC [-]
18:59	*	adlai wonders whether a sign of 'Bitcoin Mecca' will be legislating that taxable income must be delivered in local fiat, without actually making non-fiat payment illegal as incentive, enticement, teasing, etc
18:59	adlai	the fiat gov signing such a law signs its own expiration warrant, but the average legislator probably isn't smart enough to be reading the logs
19:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00050999 = 2.6519 BTC [+] {2}
19:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00049925 = 3.0454 BTC [-] {2}
19:10	thestringpuller	afk grabbing food
19:11	adlai	^ pure snr imnsho, along with !down etc
19:12	thestringpuller	wrong channel :<
19:14	*	adlai files incident under "excuses to steal"
19:17	ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370343 << i see this constantly
19:17	assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 21:32:41; mircea_popescu: i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do.
19:21	ben_vulpes	ui programmers are especially prone to this, imho because the smalltalk MPI style of MVC and data marshalling through layers is very much not a paradigm that lends itself to simplicity of code design.
19:23	deedbot-	[Qntra] NYTimes: Mike Hearn "Gave Up" - http://qntra.net/2016/01/nytimes-mike-hearn-gave-up/
19:23	*	adlai blinks... since when does deedbot- follow nyt? or hearn for that matter?
19:23	ben_vulpes	qntra, yo
19:24	adlai	afk grabbing sleep/etc
19:24	BingoBoingo	Quadruple title chain via deedbot- yo
19:33	jurov	;;ticker
19:33	gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 427.56, Best ask: 427.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 427.52, 24 hour volume: 13409.57571648, 24 hour low: 426.0, 24 hour high: 435.0, 24 hour vwap: None
19:33	jurov	^ clearly abject failure
19:44	mircea_popescu	something occurred ?
19:46	mod6	shinohai: good to hear, thx for the update.
19:46	mod6	now i will look at PeterL's issue.
19:46	mats	https://www.qualys.com/2016/01/14/cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778/openssh-cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778.txt
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19:46	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TYRpYI )
19:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00049892 = 5.987 BTC [-] {3}
19:49	mod6	;; later tell PeterL hey, the version of 'v.pl' that you have looks correct to me. the issue is that you have the pubkeys named incorrectly, try with 'mod6.asc', 'ben_vulpes.asc', 'asciilifeform.asc' and 'mircea_popescu.asc'
19:49	gribble	The operation succeeded.
19:51	mod6	;;later tell PeterL I guess also, if that doesn't resolve the issue, there could be something weird going on with your gpg import. might have to investigate more with you.
19:51	gribble	The operation succeeded.
19:52	phf	asciilifeform: in your pgp version are you getting rid of the whole keyring concept? i assume the switch is to "a folder full of ascs"?
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19:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11244 @ 0.00049883 = 5.6088 BTC [-]
20:08	BingoBoingo	Looks like I missed https://archive.is/9Kmlb
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20:08	assbot	The resolution of the Bitcoin experiment — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYTm7y )
20:10	BingoBoingo	;;later tell bitstein I missed that original piece by Mike Hearn. I see no reason to link it or an archive of in in the Qntra article. Mike Hearn hasn't had a say on any subject in a long time. Why should he get one about himself?
20:10	gribble	The operation succeeded.
20:12	deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/14/they-dont-print-paper-catalogues-anymore-everythings-on-their-website/
20:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3282 @ 0.00050312 = 1.6512 BTC [+] {2}
20:13	mircea_popescu	" but its now common to be asked to pay more to miners than a credit card would charge."
20:13	mircea_popescu	dude get the everloving fuck out.
20:14	mircea_popescu	for one thing, i have yet to see a tx that cost 0.1 btc fixed fee, which is what wires cost. for the other, credit cards are UNIVERSALY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WIRES.
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20:14	mircea_popescu	which is why people who aren't poorfags use wires.
20:15	mircea_popescu	reading mike hearn is like reading timecube without the humor, writing skill, grounding in reality, variety and aesthetic appreciation.
20:15	BingoBoingo	!b 3
20:15	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZAB70Z.txt )
20:16	BingoBoingo	That's the other good reason it wouldn't have been linked if I found it in time. It's like Cryptsy screaming their were hacked after their end has already entered the record. Too late.
20:17	mircea_popescu	this ustard fixation with credit cards.
20:17	BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2016/01/nytimes-mike-hearn-gave-up/#comment-39977
20:17	assbot	NYTimes: Mike Hearn "Gave Up" \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYU7NY )
20:17	mircea_popescu	"oh, cars don't even have buggywhips!!11 CARS HAVE FAILED!11"
20:17	mircea_popescu	stop trying to hurt horses, idiot.
20:20	BingoBoingo	What, my car has a buggy whip. Not very useful when moving anymore, but might be useful if stopped by an angry urban crowd.
20:22	adlai	some of my best friends defuse road rage with firearms (works in the middle east, at least, where it's initiated with posturing rather than intent)
20:22	mircea_popescu	heh
20:22	mircea_popescu	up until they run into one of the people that go by the principle that "if i see you armed you're dead."
20:23	*	adlai has yet to see the "51st state" go full usgtard
20:24	*	BingoBoingo prefer the whip for historical lulz. If going down to an angry urban mob might as well tack on the irony of defending self with Antebellum era agricultural tool.
20:31	BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats
20:31	gribble	Current Blocks: 393357 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 \| Next Difficulty In: 1778 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 51 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None
20:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00050037 = 1.5842 BTC [-]
20:38	mircea_popescu	http://maddox.com/ ahahaha what the fuck
20:38	assbot	Robert Maddox ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa1tr )
20:38	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370555 << ahahahahaha whole thing is worth reading:
20:38	assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 00:46:28; mats: https://www.qualys.com/2016/01/14/cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778/openssh-cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778.txt
20:38	asciilifeform	'OpenSSH 6.6 is the only version that is not affected, because it calls explicit_bzero() instead of memset() or bzero(). ..... older GCC versions do not remove the memset() or bzero() call made by buffer_free() or sshbuf_free(). GCC 5 and Clang/LLVM do, however, remove it.'
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20:39	mircea_popescu	http://www.themillionairebloggingsystem.com/ << epic shit.
20:39	assbot	The Millionaire Blogging System ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa3Bv )
20:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was improved.
20:39	asciilifeform	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2015#1336374
20:39	assbot	Logged on 04-12-2015 14:59:41; asciilifeform: (does anyone recall the very recent thread re: gcc optimizing away a certain kind of security check WHEN EXPLICITLY ASKED NOT TO ?)
20:40	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> http://maddox.com/ ahahaha what the fuck << http://maddox.xmission.com
20:40	assbot	Robert Maddox ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa1tr )
20:40	assbot	rULeR Of thE UniverSe. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa9ct )
20:40	mircea_popescu	ty,
20:40	mircea_popescu	but i think ima stop listening to people who don't have what i want (tits)
20:41	mircea_popescu	also... "this could be my office"
20:41	asciilifeform	holy shit is that reptilia's hotel ?!!
20:42	asciilifeform	re: earlier, see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298696
20:42	assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 15:49:34; punkman: old gcc lulz https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30475#c4
20:43	mircea_popescu	it's some old dude apparently living in costa rica (which he invented), telling the world truths in centered lines. "Yes, in case you didn't know it Facebook is a HUGE Blogging Platform and it earns Facebook Billions of Dollars !In fact Facebook generated $217.00 every second, 24hrs a day during 2013. And they Earned that money from You Blogging!"
20:44	mircea_popescu	i'm sure that's how they got it. not from random usg tendrils washing billions in "advertising".
20:44	mircea_popescu	"I have and I am continuing to make posts relating to different Occupations and Passions that can Profit and or Benefit from having a Blog. I will give a touch of ideas of HOW a Blog can Help each topic."
20:45	mircea_popescu	this is Lulzy and extreMely Amuseing.
20:45	asciilifeform	in other 'news', 4 days of malleus without a blackholing
20:45	mircea_popescu	o/
20:46	mircea_popescu	"The Video is just a small sample that can get you started with Your Blog. Each subject is also reinforcement for ideas that You can use in your Life. Example .. The Ideas that I give for a Doctor can easily be modified and applied to another business or Passion. The basics of How a Doctor can monetize her Blog can also be applied to a person with a Coin Collection."
20:46	mircea_popescu	this vaguely reminds me of me when i was 6.
20:46	mircea_popescu	did i tell the story of the utility program i wrote in basic ?
20:47	asciilifeform	hm?
20:48	mircea_popescu	was a lengthy list of 4+7*3 = 25
20:48	mircea_popescu	not sorted in any particular order. so that you know, if you needed a calculatuion made... you could just run my program and ... look it up.
20:48	mircea_popescu	maybe you wish to know what 6+5+3+2*3 = ?
20:49	asciilifeform	l0l matrix multiplication tables!
20:49	mircea_popescu	what can i say. you got me.
20:49	mircea_popescu	i had it saved on tape.
20:49	mircea_popescu	THEN i figurd out the tape could get damaged
20:49	mircea_popescu	so i saved it on another tape.
20:49	asciilifeform	preserved to this day ?
20:50	mircea_popescu	my mother prolly has it.
20:50	asciilifeform	i have floppies from before i was born, that still read ok
20:50	BingoBoingo	This Hearnia stuff has be stuck back reading March 2013 Trilema. Prolly one of my top 5 favorite Trilema months http://trilema.com/lets-capture-forum-bugs-in-amber
20:50	assbot	Let's capture forum bugs in amber on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSb10G )
20:50	mircea_popescu	actually the ddr metallic-something tapes of the era were much better than everything i saw since.
20:50	asciilifeform	aha!
20:50	mircea_popescu	you got favourite months bb ?!
20:50	asciilifeform	those were mega-spiffy
20:51	asciilifeform	my folks had'em
20:51	mircea_popescu	basf made excellent ones and so did uh
20:51	mircea_popescu	i forget, yellow.
20:51	asciilifeform	basf made the best floppies also
20:51	mircea_popescu	i think the best igot were 3m
20:51	asciilifeform	best in orcland at any rate
20:51	mircea_popescu	3m actually was a fine corp for a long time.
20:51	asciilifeform	i still remember my first 3m product
20:52	asciilifeform	mother brought it in one day - a box of 'post-it-notes'
20:52	asciilifeform	they had a strange perfume inside, also
20:52	asciilifeform	(today it is no longer used)
20:52	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yes, but I can only ever name one at a time and never specify and ordering lest I jinx the list. This is still feeling now like an alt universe version of 2012-2013
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20:53	BingoBoingo	And seriously March 2013 trilema linked to /dtng/ even http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/
20:53	assbot	Rape is fun, or let's fuck up Adria Richards on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeBAsR )
20:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00050653 = 2.1528 BTC [+]
20:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00049837 = 1.6197 BTC [-] {4}
21:03	BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/dIA0kWk.jpg
21:03	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PeC7uC )
21:03	BingoBoingo	https://imgur.com/a/B8PMl
21:03	assbot	The Yay! Blood Glucose Monitor - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeC81T )
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21:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00049809 = 2.2912 BTC [-]
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21:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00050891 = 22.0612 BTC [+] {5}
21:57	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370562 << take a guess.
21:57	assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 00:52:44; phf: asciilifeform: in your pgp version are you getting rid of the whole keyring concept? i assume the switch is to "a folder full of ascs"?
21:57	asciilifeform	fuck hidden state.
21:58	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370564 << holy fuck what a snorefest
21:58	assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 01:08:41; BingoBoingo: Looks like I missed https://archive.is/9Kmlb
21:59	asciilifeform	now if only the other vermin heard hearn's 'surrender' and followed him into the sea
21:59	asciilifeform	(do we need a magical flute to make this work ?)
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21:59	BingoBoingo	Need magical skin flute
22:00	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370572 << ~to the merchant.~ (and yes, priced in.) but h is speaking to konsooomers, who 'if i don't see it, it doesn't exist and doesn't possibly affect me'
22:00	assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 01:14:18; mircea_popescu: for one thing, i have yet to see a tx that cost 0.1 btc fixed fee, which is what wires cost. for the other, credit cards are UNIVERSALY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WIRES.
22:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00049809 = 3.4119 BTC [-] {2}
22:15	adlai	magic flutes playing funeral marches rival buggywhips as chicken repellent
22:16	asciilifeform	http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sexism_videogames << mega-l0l from BingoBoingo's link
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22:16	assbot	Sexism in video games: the solution nobody is talking about. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd4Sxz )
22:17	adlai	asciilifeform: since when are you reimplementing keyring-aware pgp?
22:17	asciilifeform	since never
22:18	adlai	aiui cardano only needs to know of a single key
22:18	asciilifeform	aha
22:18	asciilifeform	adlai: i think phf was asking about 'p'
22:18	adlai	aha
22:18	asciilifeform	and keyrings are retarded, and will not appear in any form
22:19	*	adlai is reminded of a snide remark made behind the back of an aging warrant officer: "your measure of success in life is inversely proportional to the weight and noise of your keyring"
22:20	asciilifeform	i suppose height of my career was as a penniless student: 1 key
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22:20	asciilifeform	(rather than today, 12)
22:21	asciilifeform	http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=apple_store_ban << lulzy re: crapple
22:21	assbot	Confirmed: I'm banned from Apple Stores. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd5vXQ )
22:23	*	adlai somehow doesn't imagine asciilifeform walking around with 12 cardanos looped into his belt
22:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00049809 = 2.7395 BTC [-] {2}
22:35	adlai	actual quote from meatwot-pope: "if somebody executes a death warrant against somebody trying to improve bitcoin, i'll fund and execute one against them myself" (don't judge him, he's prone to angry outbursts)
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22:36	BingoBoingo	adlai: You might need to luke-jr against that pope
22:38	*	adlai always kept spare earplugs hidden in his 'buggywhip'
22:43	BingoBoingo	Anyways adlai, my impression that that belt is not where one wears cardano
22:45	adlai	this is why people who wish for success in life don't go into warrant officer carreers, or even avoid .mil altogether
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22:45	adlai	!up AdrianG
22:46	AdrianG	thx
22:48	AdrianG	how do i obtain voice on join?
22:49	danielpbarron	!gettrust assbot AdrianG
22:49	assbot	AdrianG is not registered in WoT.
22:49	AdrianG	?
22:51	BingoBoingo	!help
22:51	assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
22:51	BingoBoingo	^ AdrianG
22:51	danielpbarron	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
22:51	assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
22:53	adlai	in other news, https://i.imgur.com/AYOxr2h.jpg
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22:53	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1nmCEo9 )
22:55	adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369311 << incf!
22:55	assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 17:22:06; ascii_butugychag: http://tryacl2.org << unrelated, but very nifty.
22:55	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370704 << win
22:55	assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 03:53:09; adlai: in other news, https://i.imgur.com/AYOxr2h.jpg
22:56	adlai	more as a 'lisp for its target audience' than anything else, tbh
22:56	asciilifeform	adlai: it is not a general-purpose lisp at all
22:56	asciilifeform	(implemented on a cl, yes, but is really a specialist tool)
22:57	adlai	this is an excellent infection vector, like how my floss-hating friend now uses gimp
22:58	adlai	(and blender, and linux... he's not yet sold on bitcoin, suffering from a terminal case of fiat-startuptardation)
23:00	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The black hole treatment may have moved on to... me. Several times today restarted home node after finding myself stuck 3 to 14 blocks behind. Just recovered from a 4 hour lag.
23:00	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: proper blackhole, with the characteristic logz, or plain old lag ?
23:01	AdrianG	!gettrust assbot AdrianG
23:01	assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \|http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=AdrianG \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/AdrianG/
23:01	BingoBoingo	plain lag it seems so far. Wasn't anticipating so hadn't set up anything looking for it yet. What should I be looking for?
23:02	BingoBoingo	AdrianG: Mebbe introduce yourself?
23:02	AdrianG	ive been reading about this place.
23:03	BingoBoingo	Cool
23:03	BingoBoingo	Just helps if you let people know who your are. For example: I'm BingoBoingo and I'm an alcoholic.
23:04	AdrianG	do you irc drunk too?
23:05	BingoBoingo	Not anymore. Sober a bit less than 3 months nao.
23:05	AdrianG	im mainly interested in crypto tech, all these bitcoins/etc.
23:06	BingoBoingo	I could not do it alone. I had to turn my will and life over to my higher power, Brodin the Allspotter.
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23:06	AdrianG	just wanted to idle mainly and see what ppl are talking about, i dont chat that much these days
23:06	AdrianG	lol
23:06	BingoBoingo	Ah
23:06	*	adlai answers AdrianG from pm: self-voicing is for people two steps removed from assbot so no, I can not help you in this regard
23:07	AdrianG	things got more interesting recently with all these blocksizes
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23:07	BingoBoingo	AdrianG: It's just hard to get that first rating unless you give people something to judge you by whether it's throwing out ideas in channel here or linking some previous stuff to read.
23:08	adlai	or writing articles for qntra, which is always in need of biased yet accurate coverage of technical news
23:09	pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/14/they-dont-print-paper-catalogues-anymore-everythings-on-their-website/#comment-38941
23:09	assbot	“They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmFkSW )
23:09	AdrianG	adlai: you write for qntra?
23:10	adlai	http://qntra.net/author/adlai/
23:10	assbot	Adlai \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmFoCa )
23:10	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Of course you are
23:11	pete_dushenski	of course ?
23:12	pete_dushenski	i play white collar sports goddamit
23:12	pete_dushenski	i wasn't raised in a country barn yknow
23:13	pete_dushenski	mod6: you around ?
23:13	BingoBoingo	I wasn't raised in a barn either, but I can still smell barn when the wind comes from the wrong direction
23:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00049566 = 3.4696 BTC [-] {2}
23:14	BingoBoingo	Or for most of the month after county fair week.
23:17	BingoBoingo	!up AdrianG
23:18	AdrianG	http://blog.cryptsy.com/
23:18	assbot	Cryptsy Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmGjCv )
23:18	AdrianG	irc trojan in the wallet code, heh.
23:18	mod6	pete_dushenski: yup, how goes it?
23:19	pete_dushenski	blame irc for all the world's problems !!
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23:21	danielpbarron	!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.AdrianG.1:50fcf710cef58ed3dbf0da8ef386bbe1897c392c11e2731920a14d8803173bc4
23:21	assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for AdrianG with note: Seen him in other channels.
23:26	AdrianG	thx
23:33	adlai	beautiful watching children reinvent the WoT... tearfully reminds one of the early days of forum.bitcoin.com
23:33	adlai	https://archive.is/eqaXs
23:33	assbot	BitcoinX Membership \| BitcoinX ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmHUbx )
23:35	AdrianG	adlai: have you seen keybase?
23:35	adlai	have you seen /r/btc_superclassico?
23:36	adlai	if you're serving clients javascript pgp implementations, you may have a better career happiness brokering fiat options by telephone
23:38	adlai	legal in israel, pays in "economic numbers" relative to the salesmen's previous jobs (hocking 'dead sea salt' in your local consumeristemple), rapidly replacing manufacture of arms both small and precise as the nation's primary income stream
23:42	pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=8pmw5CAc3rk
23:42	assbot	Two Visions \| Bernie Sanders - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmIV3j )
23:42	adlai	seeing as AdrianG did not !register in-channel, we now notice that post-gribble asswot has no way of publicly conjuring public-keyring contents
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23:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00049793 = 2.5892 BTC [-] {3}
23:44	ben_vulpes	since sks is on the chopping block next, i imagine !register will eventually eat plaintext pubkeys.
23:45	*	adlai is looking for !pubkey <nick> that poops them back out
23:45	ben_vulpes	mhm
23:46	adlai	if nothing else, just for verification that what you sent in !register didn't get diddled (assuming assbot itself doesn't use mpex security standard)
23:47	*	adlai wonders where on the chopping block lie replay attack prevention
23:52	ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370091 << fixed, ty
23:52	assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 14:05:57; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes hey you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

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