00:00 |
asciilifeform |
must assume this happens, whether 'tor' or simply playful isp / backbone operator |
00:01 |
asciilifeform |
see also earlier discussion of swallowing rsa signatures of people you don't know |
00:01 |
asciilifeform |
same applies here |
| |
~ 28 minutes ~ |
00:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9425 @ 0.00084908 = 8.0026 BTC [-] |
00:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3846 @ 0.00084905 = 3.2654 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
00:59 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> that being - that someone, somewhere, is willing to answer with his arse for what every character in the code actually causes the hardware to do. <<< this is only meaningful in a centralist approach. |
00:59 |
mircea_popescu |
we're decentralized over here. |
01:00 |
mircea_popescu |
difference being, between how a soviet rocket works and how a school of salmon works. |
01:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18372 @ 0.00084825 = 15.584 BTC [-] {4} |
01:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4028 @ 0.00084497 = 3.4035 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
01:29 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: thing is - these salmon want - a rocket. and so will have to do some things they're unaccustomed to. |
01:29 |
asciilifeform |
while remaining salmon, sure. |
01:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18869 @ 0.00084497 = 15.9437 BTC [-] |
01:45 |
BingoBoingo |
The great hazard of being salmon though is being recognized as to delicious to simply render as biodiesel by every living thing inclined to pescitarian consumption |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
02:01 |
cazalla |
well, they do swim against the current |
02:14 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26h3o8/btcd_beta_announcement/chub4sp << forks are great yo quit bitching |
02:14 |
assbot |
midmagic comments on Btcd Beta Announcement |
02:15 |
ben_vulpes |
forks are how bitcoin-core dies. quit burning fuel trying to prevent the inevitable. |
02:20 |
ben_vulpes |
"Bitcoind core itself of course mostly tried to accept both forks and let the stronger one win." << sounds like the sort of thing a "core" "dev team" should really address - maximum fork size < utxos? mhm. |
02:22 |
ben_vulpes |
" My dislike of other mining nodes is a consequence of directly correlated forking dangers of alternative mining code, and I think we both know that." << one of these days i'm going to get left behind as reward for my courtesy of loyalty to the power rangers i can feel it coming but maybe if i complain a lot in public maybe the inevitable won't happen |
02:25 |
ben_vulpes |
"I respectfully question how you can authoritatively champion mining code written primarily in another language entirely." << because fuck the reference implementations. |
02:30 |
ben_vulpes |
evening vex |
02:32 |
Vexual |
'evening good sir |
02:35 |
ben_vulpes |
great logs tonight |
02:35 |
* |
ben_vulpes applauds |
02:35 |
ben_vulpes |
top notch |
02:40 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes how's the coffee ? |
02:51 |
punkman |
dobro jutro |
02:59 |
Vexual |
hi punk |
03:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00084497 = 13.3505 BTC [-] |
03:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8076 @ 0.0008495 = 6.8606 BTC [+] |
03:09 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco4z98nIQY |
03:09 |
assbot |
Parov Stelar - Booty Swing - YouTube |
03:13 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
03:13 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 503.06, Best ask: 504.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.67000, Last trade: 504.0, 24 hour volume: 7779.59236845, 24 hour low: 501.25, 24 hour high: 514.98, 24 hour vwap: 507.673992263 |
03:13 |
BingoBoingo |
%v |
03:13 |
atcbot |
[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.64M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 197 |
03:14 |
BingoBoingo |
%t |
03:14 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A |
03:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23999999 = 0.72 BTC [+] |
03:25 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: looks like conformal co. passed the 'test.' << with flying colours! |
03:26 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: church (evidently in some other piece, forget which) likens the vc circus to the process whereby american 'pop musicians' are industrially manufactured by, among other outfits, disney corp. << sounds aboot like http://contravex.com/2014/07/31/y-combinator-the-american-idol-of-venture-capital/ but less original |
03:26 |
assbot |
Y Combinator: The American Idol of Venture Capital | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
03:30 |
pete_dushenski |
<ben_vulpes> also: if it ain't about money i go/nowhere i'm nailed to the floor << too good! |
03:32 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-shrem-hopes-walk-free-guilty-plea-deal/ |
03:32 |
assbot |
Charlie Shrem Hopes to Walk Free After Guilty Plea Deal |
03:33 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/505534170916225024 |
03:33 |
assbot |
Mr. /CharlieShrem, in taking it in the pooper like so http://t.co/qZe3na3Zd7 only proved his mousy illiteracy http://t.co/556Zm8Lku4 |
03:33 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: you win |
03:33 |
pete_dushenski |
this round |
03:33 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: Win what? |
03:34 |
pete_dushenski |
the marbles |
03:34 |
Vexual |
your link post arrived first |
03:35 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/505377483798368256 |
03:35 |
assbot |
German publishing house Heise showing how modern Journalism is done: OpenPGP Keys for all their journalists. http://t.co/DVwZQpOrnk (ger) |
03:36 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/of-mendacity-mold-bugs-and-other-things/#comment-106873 >> lmao check out douchecanoe << ;-) |
03:36 |
assbot |
Of mendacity, mold, bugs and other things. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
03:36 |
pete_dushenski |
Vexual: o hey |
03:36 |
pete_dushenski |
so sydney... |
03:36 |
pete_dushenski |
hipster spots are fine, but classics are better |
03:36 |
Vexual |
i'll assume you've been drinking all the martinis, and have or want a girl or boy on your arm |
03:37 |
pete_dushenski |
well… have. and yes. |
03:37 |
pete_dushenski |
more looking for something unique |
03:38 |
Vexual |
get up pearly and catch the ferry to manly where youll find doyles on the wharf, gesture to the bacon and eggs |
03:40 |
Vexual |
find chinatown for lunch, dixon house has a foodcourt, you'll be smoked out with burning meat and spices, jostle for a seat with the asian kids, feels like hongkong |
03:40 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g552124-d949190-Reviews-Doyles_on_the_Wharf-Watsons_Bay_Woollahra_Greater_Sydney_New_South_Wales.html << this one? |
03:40 |
assbot |
Doyles on the Wharf Restaurant Reviews, Watsons Bay, Australia - TripAdvisor |
03:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9424 @ 0.00085299 = 8.0386 BTC [+] {2} |
03:41 |
Vexual |
prolly |
03:41 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g255060-d5084700-Reviews-Dixon_House_Food_Court-Sydney_New_South_Wales.html |
03:41 |
assbot |
Dixon House Food Court Restaurant Reviews, Sydney, Australia - TripAdvisor |
03:41 |
pete_dushenski |
aite |
03:42 |
pete_dushenski |
so far so good. |
03:42 |
Vexual |
at night, head to the rocks, theres a german spot there, 2 litre beers and bratwurst and snitzel |
03:42 |
Vexual |
old cobbled streets, these days with lights |
03:43 |
Vexual |
then theres a jazz spot a stumble away, where you can drink all the martinis |
03:44 |
Vexual |
they all have halal options, and if you dont get jazz, they play blues |
03:45 |
cazalla |
check out "the block" at redfern |
03:45 |
pete_dushenski |
yum. |
03:45 |
cazalla |
Vexual will vouch it's tops |
03:46 |
pete_dushenski |
lolk |
03:48 |
Vexual |
gentrified by hipsters these days |
03:48 |
pete_dushenski |
the block is the aboriginal thing? |
03:48 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.sbs.com.au/theblock/diane.html#/diane |
03:48 |
assbot |
Diane Whittaker interview The Block: Stories from a Meeting Place SBS Redfern Interactive Documentary |
03:49 |
Vexual |
youll also find cafes, tech startups, and old gangsters |
03:51 |
Vexual |
when an aboriginal kid died at police hands they rioted with vengence |
03:51 |
pete_dushenski |
woa |
03:51 |
pete_dushenski |
we're not staying far from there |
03:52 |
Vexual |
dont high five any cops |
03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
we're just at the south tip of hyde park |
03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
unless the cops high five me... |
03:53 |
Vexual |
:) it's all good |
03:53 |
cazalla |
redfern isn't what it was so don't worry too much |
03:53 |
Vexual |
when are you going? |
03:54 |
Vexual |
ive excluded dinner spots over 2btc with waiting lists |
03:54 |
pete_dushenski |
december |
03:55 |
cazalla |
drop bears in season |
03:55 |
Vexual |
sydney is hot in december |
03:56 |
pete_dushenski |
lol so i hear |
03:56 |
Vexual |
melb might be hotter? |
03:57 |
cazalla |
not unless heatwave |
03:59 |
Vexual |
if you wanna go 5 star you vould try quay |
03:59 |
pete_dushenski |
historical averages have melbourne 5-10C warmer |
04:01 |
pete_dushenski |
quay looks seriously premium |
04:03 |
cazalla |
melb is pretty much the same temp as sydney |
04:03 |
cazalla |
winters are a little colder here, i've lived in sydney (maroubra) and that's the only difference, anecdotal of course |
04:04 |
Vexual |
wha urbanspoon wont tell you is the cigar list is epic and girls should dress slutty |
04:04 |
cazalla |
tbh i'd fuck sydney/melbourne off and go to tassie |
04:04 |
Vexual |
er sexy |
04:05 |
Vexual |
foodies paradise |
04:07 |
pete_dushenski |
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” |
04:08 |
pete_dushenski |
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. |
04:08 |
pete_dushenski |
“Because I was afraid.” |
04:08 |
Vexual |
king island cheese |
04:09 |
pete_dushenski |
who doesn't like a fine cheese? |
04:09 |
Vexual |
not i |
04:09 |
pete_dushenski |
;;google tassie |
04:09 |
gribble |
Tassie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tassie>; The Silver Tassie (play) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silver_Tassie_(play)>; Urban Dictionary: Tassie: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tassie> |
04:09 |
cazalla |
bruny island cheese nicer |
04:09 |
Vexual |
ooh |
04:10 |
Vexual |
never tried |
04:10 |
pete_dushenski |
a yes. tasmania. |
04:10 |
cazalla |
Vexual http://www.brunyislandcheese.com.au |
04:10 |
assbot |
Bruny Island Cheese :: home |
04:11 |
Vexual |
goo in pinot and vine leaves? yes please |
04:14 |
pete_dushenski |
just looking up ferries from melbourne to tassie: 10.5 hours! |
04:14 |
Vexual |
your rabbits prolly command a higher price in tassie, people apprecieate good meat down there |
04:15 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, bring you own food if you ever take spirit of tasmania |
04:15 |
cazalla |
Vexual, i wonder if i can bring them in |
04:16 |
pete_dushenski |
plus bruny island's shop is clear on the other side of the island from devonport |
04:16 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department |
04:16 |
assbot |
L.P.D.: Libertarian Police Department - The New Yorker |
04:16 |
cazalla |
you can always fly to hobart |
04:17 |
Vexual |
cazalla, they prolly already have rabbits there |
04:18 |
cazalla |
Vexual, they do, a breeder i bought a british giant from drove all the way to tassie to get them from a woman that breeds them there |
04:18 |
cazalla |
taking out might be fine, nfi on bringing them in, they went through all our shit when taking the car across on the boat |
04:18 |
Vexual |
anyone vauum packing them and flying them to resturants? |
04:19 |
Vexual |
yeah eat em and get new ones |
04:19 |
cazalla |
dunno, i did read the industry is dead, something like 100 farms reduced to 2 due to costs |
04:19 |
Vexual |
theres costs, and theres value |
04:20 |
cazalla |
i think it's due to calici and costs of vax |
04:20 |
cazalla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmAGX9J3HlE |
04:20 |
assbot |
Rabbit meat farms disappear due to virus and costs - YouTube |
04:20 |
Vexual |
i guess you dont have that problem in your backyard |
04:20 |
cazalla |
not yet |
04:21 |
Vexual |
well it couldnt get in |
04:21 |
Vexual |
but you know about intensive farming |
04:22 |
Vexual |
a terrier run around the paddock should do the same as suburbia |
04:22 |
Vexual |
put your house in the middle |
04:23 |
Vexual |
get some plum trees and do plum rabbit |
04:23 |
cazalla |
that sounds yum |
04:23 |
cazalla |
when we move, i want to build some type of enclosure so they can run around and effectively be wild |
04:24 |
Vexual |
).05bc, air express |
04:25 |
cazalla |
i sell you? |
04:25 |
Vexual |
learn bees too |
04:25 |
Vexual |
yeah ill buy |
04:25 |
cazalla |
not worth my time at .05 |
04:25 |
Vexual |
yeah, but in time |
04:26 |
cazalla |
i planned to do bees in the spring but i'm putting it off until we move, i can't adhere to the regulations they set for doing it here |
04:26 |
Vexual |
my butcher has rabbit, and i know the value, im talking of value adding |
04:26 |
cazalla |
how much do they charge? |
04:27 |
Vexual |
i think its just south of 10 bucks a kilo |
04:27 |
cazalla |
that's cheap, prob intensively farmed |
04:27 |
Vexual |
and thats a long transport |
04:28 |
Vexual |
how big does your freerange zone have to be before you can call them wild? |
04:29 |
punkman |
wild doesnt have zone |
04:29 |
cazalla |
i figured like 1/4 acre or something |
04:29 |
punkman |
you ever try wild hare? |
04:29 |
Vexual |
:) some of these cattle stations could call their beef wild |
04:29 |
cazalla |
punkman, no but i'd like to |
04:30 |
Vexual |
never tried hare |
04:30 |
cazalla |
red meat yeah? |
04:30 |
punkman |
yeah all dark meat |
04:30 |
Vexual |
arent they just big rabbits? |
04:30 |
Vexual |
oh |
04:30 |
cazalla |
nah they are totally difference |
04:30 |
cazalla |
different even |
04:30 |
punkman |
I'm not really sure about the taxonomy |
04:31 |
punkman |
but they are considered a delicacy around here, cuz we ate them all |
04:31 |
Vexual |
lol |
04:31 |
Vexual |
there you go caz, big fat hares t whever punk is |
| |
↖ |
04:32 |
Vexual |
you'll prolly get a fucking government grant |
04:34 |
cazalla |
it's an idea, they aren't prone to calici or myx if memory serves |
04:34 |
punkman |
haven't heard of anyone farming them |
04:37 |
punkman |
they don't like a crowd |
04:38 |
Vexual |
terriers will keep em lean |
04:39 |
Vexual |
and they wont dig out |
04:40 |
Vexual |
cheap ammo for harvest:wild |
04:44 |
Vexual |
thats less like fraud than spoofing your bitcoin client version |
04:57 |
pete_dushenski |
;;rate ben_vulpes 3 runs van-ads live from the 504 |
04:57 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ben_vulpes has changed from 1 to 3. |
04:58 |
pete_dushenski |
ey looks like stephane dun approved of my translation. i'll take it! |
04:59 |
pete_dushenski |
http://contravex.com/2014/08/26/infosec-education-because-stephane-bortzmeyer-is-lazy-and-im-not/#comment-7884 |
04:59 |
assbot |
InfoSec Education: Because Stphane Bortzmeyer Is Lazy. And I’m Not. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
05:00 |
Vexual |
lowenbrau for bratwurst the basement for jazz |
05:01 |
Naphex |
http://i.imgur.com/gDohTUB.png - I call this artistic chart, "Saved By The Cache" :) |
05:03 |
Vexual |
oh, and just across the road from the asian place is the markey where you can find cheap electronics and aussie souveneir tshirts with vulgar slogans, 3 for 10 |
05:03 |
pete_dushenski |
Vexual: nice. ty. |
05:05 |
cazalla |
all made in china |
05:05 |
cazalla |
this the markets Vexual? |
05:06 |
Vexual |
i think the kangaroo scrotum coin purses are made in oz, but largely, yes |
05:07 |
pete_dushenski |
time for sleeps. g'night b-a! |
05:07 |
Vexual |
Naphex: what site? looks similar to "spam fail" |
05:12 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.theonion.com/articles/were-going-to-enjoy-this-cocainefueled-mason-jar-r,36779/ |
05:12 |
assbot |
Were Going To Enjoy This Cocaine-Fueled Mason Jar Rocket Ride For As Long As It Lasts | The Onion - America's Finest News Source |
05:13 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.theonion.com/articles/researchers-panda-faked-pregnancy-to-get-more-bamb,36809/ |
05:13 |
assbot |
Researchers: Panda Faked Pregnancy To Get More Bamboo | The Onion - America's Finest News Source |
05:15 |
Vexual |
nothing quite like the onion |
05:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Better than the Times |
05:17 |
Vexual |
full fucking effect |
05:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00085477 = 9.6162 BTC [+] {2} |
05:27 |
Vexual |
only chinese vets could claim a panda faked a pregnancy |
05:30 |
Vexual |
the actual pregnat panda, the one that pissed on the stich has been hung |
05:41 |
Vexual |
;;google erowid mason jar |
05:41 |
gribble |
Erowid Psychoactive Vaults : Bong & Pipe FAQ: <https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/faq_bong_pipe.shtml>; Erowid Mushroom Vaults : Cultivation Tips: <https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_cultivation17.shtml>; Erowid Psilocybin Mushroom Vault : Storage in CO2: <https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info3.shtml> |
05:43 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAOR6ib95kQ |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
06:09 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQLAhNlbfQ reverse cronology and the price of safrole |
06:23 |
kakobrekla |
<punkman> dobro jutro < lol what got into you |
06:24 |
punkman |
feeling balkan today |
06:27 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D2qcbu26gs |
06:27 |
kakobrekla |
well dobro jutro to you too ;) |
06:27 |
Vexual |
what time is it there kako? |
06:27 |
kakobrekla |
12.27 |
06:28 |
Vexual |
bacon or bacon? |
06:29 |
kakobrekla |
spam |
06:30 |
Vexual |
my heart |
06:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1229 @ 0.00085473 = 1.0505 BTC [-] |
06:31 |
cazalla |
http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/ |
06:31 |
assbot |
15 Year Old Who "SWATTED" Gamer Convicted Of Domestic Terrorism; 25 Years To Life In Federal Prison - National Report | National Report |
06:32 |
cazalla |
i guess he wasn't behind 7 proxies |
06:33 |
punkman |
http://nationalreport.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/swatted.png |
06:33 |
Vexual |
i dunno why he's crying, outcomes coulda been worse |
06:33 |
punkman |
maybe they are tired of all the swatting |
06:35 |
kakobrekla |
coulda been wrose? |
06:35 |
kakobrekla |
worse* |
06:35 |
kakobrekla |
like what, life in prison? |
06:37 |
punkman |
http://stopmasturbationnow.org/lexicon/merriam-webster-adds-anti-masturbation-word-to-their-dictionary-fapstinence/ |
06:37 |
assbot |
Merriam-Webster Adds Anti-Masturbation Word to Their Dictionary : FAPSTINENCE | Stop Masturbation Now |
06:38 |
cazalla |
it's fake btw |
06:38 |
Vexual |
its a job |
06:38 |
cazalla |
not that, the swatting article |
06:39 |
Vexual |
yeah, they might have told him about the"fucking with the police" ward |
06:40 |
kakobrekla |
what is this another onion ? |
06:40 |
Vexual |
everythings onion |
06:40 |
cazalla |
yeah, sorry kakobrekla, Vexual is right |
06:42 |
Vexual |
not quite |
06:44 |
Vexual |
but the onion does serve some truth with that bullshit flavour you love |
06:45 |
cazalla |
!s nationalreport.net |
06:45 |
assbot |
1 results for 'nationalreport.net' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nationalreport.net |
06:47 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: National Report is like the Onion only stupider. Basically just made up stories. |
06:48 |
jurov |
;;later tell MolokoDesk if tao_jones has working replacement of ;;calc I am all for having it here |
06:48 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
06:49 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yes, tao has a number of calc functions... some are listed here.. there are others |
06:50 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://bit.ly/1a6QBcq |
06:50 |
assbot |
Tao_Jones Quickstart |
06:50 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I have all the modules sitting around somewhere - will get them to you this weekend |
06:50 |
kakobrekla |
BingoBoingo sounded like texas to me |
06:50 |
Vexual |
.bait |
06:52 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bait |
06:52 |
gribble |
Error: "bait" is not a valid command. |
06:52 |
BingoBoingo |
!bait |
06:53 |
kakobrekla |
just use the fly fishing rod. |
06:53 |
BingoBoingo |
!t m s.limbs |
06:53 |
assbot |
Quest for vision is a great blessing. |
06:53 |
Vexual |
either was my wrist hurts |
06:58 |
Vexual |
i see ykyo there lurking |
06:59 |
Vexual |
dya think he might develop a sense of humour? |
07:05 |
fluffypony |
!up csshih |
07:05 |
fluffypony |
;;ident |
07:05 |
gribble |
Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@coreteam.monero.cc', is not identified. |
07:05 |
fluffypony |
oh |
07:05 |
Vexual |
missgivings aside theres lessons unleant |
07:06 |
fluffypony |
!up csshih |
07:06 |
fluffypony |
csshih: ping |
07:06 |
csshih |
fluffypony, hi |
07:06 |
Vexual |
!down fluffy pony |
07:07 |
Vexual |
bwahah |
07:07 |
fluffypony |
csshih: question - since my one SC51 has grown legs, I'm looking at replacing them with the SC52d. any thoughts? what's the alternative for AA singles? |
07:08 |
csshih |
zebralight dominates in that category imo |
07:08 |
csshih |
you looking for high-ish cri? |
07:08 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
07:08 |
fluffypony |
it's definitely the brightest |
07:09 |
Vexual |
grown legs? what do your dogs do? |
07:09 |
fluffypony |
and 4 day run time at 2.1 Lm is insane |
07:10 |
fluffypony |
Vexual: we're talking about flashlights, not dogs :-P |
07:10 |
Vexual |
grown legs means gone? |
07:11 |
fluffypony |
yes |
07:11 |
Vexual |
presumably stolen |
07:12 |
fluffypony |
yeah I would imagine so |
07:12 |
Vexual |
u might need something with d's |
07:14 |
Vexual |
and a lens that makes ophtamologists rub their hands ith glee |
07:15 |
kakobrekla |
!up Ukyo |
07:15 |
kakobrekla |
so how come you are still here? |
07:22 |
Vexual |
lol anus |
07:24 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVAetFthS9Y |
07:27 |
jurov |
<mircea_popescu> [02:52:59] but srlsy jurov, it looks neat and is quite visually appealing. << hahaha. actually, we kept original design done by scrat |
07:28 |
kakobrekla |
did you have another design done? |
07:29 |
kakobrekla |
;;tslb |
07:29 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 35 minutes and 50 seconds |
07:32 |
Vexual |
;;later tell ben_vulpes http://www.supremenewyork.com/interviews/lee_perry |
07:32 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
07:38 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju-Hedh8Tdw |
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08:01 |
jurov |
kakobrekla, only tuned logo so far |
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10:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3312 @ 0.00052471 = 1.7378 BTC [-] {32} |
10:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2585 @ 0.00051042 = 1.3194 BTC [-] {7} |
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10:30 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-one-worlds-largest-bitcoin-mines/ |
10:30 |
assbot |
Inside one of the world's largest bitcoin mines - The CoinsmanThe Coinsman |
10:30 |
kakobrekla |
different from the one last time |
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~ 1 hours 20 minutes ~ |
11:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00085329 = 18.1751 BTC [-] {3} |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 9.57940004 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 833 satoshi per share |
12:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.59377130 BTC to 15`114 shares, 10545 satoshi per share |
12:07 |
mod6 |
%tslb |
12:07 |
atcbot |
Time Since Last ATC Block: 1 hour(s), 0 minutes |
12:11 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything. |
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12:31 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell vexual lee scratch perry - what a guy. |
12:31 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
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12:55 |
FabianB |
$mpexstatus |
12:55 |
empyex |
FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 |
12:57 |
empyex |
FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (805 milliseconds), mpex.bz (606 milliseconds), mpex.co (813 milliseconds), mpex.biz (584 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (error) |
13:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.01170512 = 0.8194 BTC [-] |
13:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0217227 = 0.5213 BTC [-] {2} |
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13:58 |
ben_vulpes |
!t l s.mpoe |
13:58 |
assbot |
The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow. |
13:59 |
ben_vulpes |
!l m s.mpoe |
13:59 |
assbot |
Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00085329 BTC [-] |
14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: the insureds will always complain about inadequate coverage, and the insurers will always complain about social inflation. |
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15:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00085469 = 6.5811 BTC [+] |
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15:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
safe deposit boxes only have the safety of being in a somewhat controlled environment |
15:48 |
The20YearIRCloud |
There's a town close to me that once every year auctions off 250-350 safe deposit box contents, you bid per box and don't know what is in them. All are seized from people who either didn't pay up or forgot about em |
15:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 69 @ 0.01069994 = 0.7383 BTC [+] {3} |
16:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00085665 = 21.6732 BTC [+] {2} |
16:09 |
decimation |
re: safe deposit box << My bank's terms say: "We will not have any liability to you or any third party for incidental or consequential damages. If an arbitration proceeding is commenced, evidence that tends to prove that something was left in the Box on last authorized entry, and was found to be missing on the next entry, will not create a presumption that it was lost because we were negligent, intentional did anything wrong or |
16:09 |
decimation |
failed to exercise ordinary care. Nor will we be required to prove that the loss was not our fault." |
16:10 |
decimation |
What has happened to banking in the US is parallel to the "substitution calculations" done by usg for inflation - ie a ground beef patty with filler is the same as a well-cooked steak. |
16:14 |
decimation |
chetty: do you have any amusing links for us? |
16:22 |
chetty |
decimation, my net was down, I am behind on my reading today |
16:24 |
decimation |
chetty: no problem, I always look forward to the interesting nuggets you have on offer |
16:34 |
chetty |
<decimation> well the good part is I got a lot of work done on Eulora today :) |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: something was left in the Box on last authorized entry, and was found to be missing on the next entry, will not create a presumption that it was lost << conclusion: bury your goods in the forest. fuck bank. |
16:43 |
asciilifeform |
even ignoring the traditional devil of 'fdr gold confiscatorwagen' (tm) - bank essentially gives itself permission to steal whenever. |
16:44 |
The20YearIRCloud |
thus why i hate the idea of safe deposit boxes |
16:44 |
The20YearIRCloud |
my preference would still be a safe sunk into a concrete wall in a basement room that can't be easily accessed |
16:45 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: bad idea. in many quite probable scenarios, one loses access to 'own' property first. |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom |
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16:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
So what's the best option? |
16:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
air/watertight container in nowhere? |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
again - depends on answer to above question |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
(please don't answer it here!) |
16:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Let |
16:48 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Let's say you have a honus wagner card |
16:48 |
The20YearIRCloud |
in an airtight holder |
16:49 |
decimation |
The20YearIRCloud: you own properties right? how many potential hidey-holes are there? |
16:49 |
asciilifeform |
again, depends not only on the 'what' but 'from whom' |
16:49 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Plenty , but the problem there becomes the idea of how you access it in a time of emergency should it ever be needed |
16:49 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Granted nothing I own has substantial value |
16:50 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: unfortunately if the "from whom" is usg in its many forms, the answer is largely: nowhere |
16:50 |
The20YearIRCloud |
One good thing with modern technology is the premise of doing waht they did in breaking bad and putting a 55 gallon drum in the middle of nowhere and record GPS locations |
16:50 |
chetty |
if you own a bit of property (not really but thats another story) there is a paper trail that shows it ...how you gonna hide anything? |
16:51 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Like decimation said, it depends on who you're hiding it from |
16:52 |
asciilifeform |
if enemy knows you have $goodie, and you are captured - might as well mail it in to the crown treasury now - avoid burned starfish later |
16:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yeah |
16:53 |
decimation |
us persons simply have no access to 'allodial title', not even as a rental |
16:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i look to what people did during the yugoslovian war for modern examples of waht , and what not to do |
16:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
There are states that are working towards true land ownership |
16:54 |
asciilifeform |
also understand why archaeologists still turn up buried jars of, e.g, roman gold. |
16:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
ND and WY i think are two states that allow a person to buy absolute land, with no further taxes involved outside of day of sale, with no government recourse |
16:54 |
asciilifeform |
treasure - is usually a result of folks who bit the dust without ever getting to make use of the $goodies. |
16:55 |
decimation |
The20YearIRCloud: generally those states (like nevada) use the words "allodial title" to mean "pre-pay your land tax" |
16:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And in some cases, those states are pretty hands-off when it comes to private property |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
forget present-day law. the pertinent question is 'who knows that you have $object' |
16:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
That's likely always the best defense |
16:57 |
decimation |
The20YearIRCloud: When I say "allodial title" I mean something like having the right to arrest anyone - including government employees - on your property |
16:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
ah |
16:59 |
asciilifeform |
very few physical objects are worth the cost of raising an army to keep arbitrarily large horde of orcs away |
16:59 |
asciilifeform |
if you own such an object, consider liquidating it and using the proceeds to buy passage to neutral country of your choice |
17:00 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 2 |
17:00 |
asciilifeform |
and buy the obligatory set of new passports / favours |
17:01 |
asciilifeform |
but if you must: |
17:01 |
asciilifeform |
here's a recipe i shared with al schwartz once |
17:02 |
chetty |
<asciilifeform> if you own such an object, consider liquidating it and using the proceeds to buy passage to neutral country of your choice//++ |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
build a capsule, of the smallest adequate size (al suggested inconel or hastalloy for the material. not cheap - but then again, it'll be a small fraction of the total cost of project) |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
capsule must have positive buoyancy when you're done filling it |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
weld it shut. |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
attach anchor, with sonophone-triggered explosive bolt on chain. |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
sink in international waters, record position. |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
sonophone trigger should only answer (with 'pop' of anchor chain) in response to key. |
17:03 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: re: raising an army: The scale of humanity today is such that being a 'land baron' is almost impossible. Consider Mr. Yarvin's quote-of-a-quote: " As the laws of King Ine of Wessex famously put it: We use the term "thieves" if the number of men does not exceed seven, and "brigands" for a number between seven and thirty-five. Anything beyond this is an "army." |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
keep key in head. |
17:04 |
decimation |
hope bolt works after time passes |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
i don't know who al might've shared the recipe with, but u.s. navy funded almost exactly this scheme as a mega-project a few years ago. |
17:05 |
decimation |
when the population is several orders of magnitude less dense, "me and my army say so" is a more realistic source of power |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps it was an obvious idea. |
17:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
how do you use a signal that will penetrate the water? |
17:05 |
decimation |
sound waves can go thousands of miles underwater |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: hydrophone on wire. |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
lower it to the thermocline. |
17:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i guess i missed hydrophone part |
17:06 |
Namworld |
So I was browsing wikipedia for fun, when I found something funny. Can you spot it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nocturnal_animals |
17:06 |
assbot |
List of nocturnal animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
17:07 |
asciilifeform |
'programmer.' |
17:07 |
* |
asciilifeform guessed |
17:08 |
asciilifeform |
!s night old enemy |
17:08 |
assbot |
1 results for 'night old enemy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=night+old+enemy |
17:08 |
Namworld |
eheh |
17:09 |
* |
asciilifeform for the record doesn't own anything worth the cost of ocean capsule. |
17:10 |
* |
asciilifeform but likes the idea anyway. a few km down in sea is the closes thing nature gives us, afaik, to a 'trap door function' for physical goodies. |
17:11 |
asciilifeform |
make sure capsule has enough excess buoyancy when triggered to rip itself out of the crud that sunken objects inevitably embed themselves in over time. |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
also ensure that the hidey-hole can be found without recourse to satellite navigation. |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
^ might be the hardest part |
17:12 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: what about "find granitic megalith (like Yosemite), build hut, dissolve deep hole using HF, then fill with concrete? |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
drilling a hole creates a very distinct density anomaly that ground-penetrating radar sets (ask a construction co. that deals with underground pipes) readily turns up. |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
regardless of what you fill it with later - will read differently from natural rock. |
17:14 |
decimation |
good point. Notwithstanding the logistics issues. The advantage to your sea-vault is that it could be (in theory) sunk with submarine, which would probably be difficult for any advanced gov't to track. |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
no need to buy a submarine |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
small sailboat would suffice. |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
to deploy device, just chuck it overboard. |
17:15 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: agreed, modulo lack of interest in being followed, etc |
17:15 |
asciilifeform |
if you have enemies who will follow your sailboat around in the atlantic, you have other problems that must be dealt with first. |
17:16 |
asciilifeform |
capsule can also be flown to its resting place. |
17:17 |
decimation |
like a sono-buoy |
17:17 |
asciilifeform |
(building a device that can fly back - exercise for alert reader.) |
17:17 |
jurov |
um.. but with increasing amount of ocean trash, won't you have a problem to locate the capsule once it surfaces from $ kilometers? |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: include beacon. |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
(triggered on anchor release, naturally.) |
17:19 |
decimation |
or sonar beacon |
17:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2508 @ 0.00085583 = 2.1464 BTC [-] |
17:19 |
asciilifeform |
don't drop the treasure near 'SOSUS' |
17:20 |
decimation |
which raises the question, is a reasonable hydroarray a feasible addition to said small sailboat? |
17:20 |
asciilifeform |
no need for this. a simple strobe light should suffice for night search. |
17:20 |
asciilifeform |
(after capsule pops to the surface) |
17:20 |
decimation |
true, especially with cheap 'night vision' gear |
17:21 |
asciilifeform |
if you have an object that is worth, say, 100k to hide and retrieve, go ahead and follow recipe. but also consider the easier 'sell it and run with the money' |
17:22 |
decimation |
I suppose if the purpose in hiding the object is simply to escape the gulag, it would be better to start planning your escape now |
17:23 |
asciilifeform |
i later learned that v. n. chelomei (famous soviet rocket designer) proposed the placement of atomic bombs near u.s. east costs using a scheme much like this. (official story - it was vetoed as barbaric) |
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17:23 |
asciilifeform |
by admiralty |
17:23 |
asciilifeform |
'we fight like men, not thieves in the night' |
17:23 |
decimation |
better yet an undersea missile in a tube |
17:23 |
asciilifeform |
*coasts |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
if i recall, he also suggested they be placed in the 'great lakes' |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
with idea being, no need to bring them to surface before firing |
17:24 |
decimation |
in retrospect that kind of "proposal" sounds more like a 'limited hangout' kind of operation |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
(at the time, u.s. had industry, and a good portion of it was in that region) |
17:24 |
decimation |
I suppose if they were close enough to cities that would be feasible |
17:26 |
jurov |
afaik nukes need periodic maintenance.. would it really be feasible to do it on seabed every so often? |
17:26 |
* |
asciilifeform suspects that proposal was vetoed as laughable because the nukes in russian embassies make it redundant. |
17:26 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah I was about to point that out, it would be much simpler to rent a 'safehouse' and fill with nukes |
17:26 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: tritium booster capsule is good for ~20 yrs. |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
the point of the proposal, according to legend, was to specifically make use of the water. |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
not simply as a hiding place, but as the weapon |
17:28 |
decimation |
ah, water = fusion fuel |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
no |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
as steam, to wash the factories with. |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
the americans, for some reason unknown to me, pre-empted this project by destroying own industry. |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
(why? ask them) |
17:31 |
asciilifeform |
back to topic - if you really must hide physical objects, read about how kgb and gru hid arms caches in their opponents' territories. |
17:31 |
asciilifeform |
note that neither 'gps' nor its soviet equivalent existed at the time. |
17:32 |
Apocalyptic |
"read about how kgb and gru hid arms caches in their opponents' territories." // any particular book in mind ? |
17:32 |
decimation |
you quoted a story about how they recruited 'agents' in those territories? |
17:33 |
asciilifeform |
Apocalyptic: there's an account in english-language 'the sword and the shield' (mitrokhin) of one swiss cache that was dug up when he tipped off the local authorities. |
17:33 |
asciilifeform |
if you somehow learn where one is - don't touch it. they were all mined. |
17:33 |
Apocalyptic |
ty, will look that up |
17:34 |
asciilifeform |
worth reading solely for the 'geocaching' craft. |
17:34 |
asciilifeform |
(i.e., how to bury, given that you will only be able to find the location again using geographical clues - and trees, buildings, etc. can disappear over the decades) |
17:35 |
asciilifeform |
but really this is one of those 'games where the winning move is not to play.' |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
if you are reading this - it is almost certainly a terrible use of your time. |
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17:36 |
decimation |
re: underwater nuke << use tried, worked well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53vDnNPiA4 |
17:36 |
assbot |
Wahoo and Umbrella - Filmmaker recounts nuclear test - YouTube |
17:36 |
decimation |
s/use/usg/ |
17:38 |
decimation |
The intention might have been exactly what that video shows: wash away all the people in the city, then occupy |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
usg also had, in that period, a fixation with gigantic naval battles |
17:39 |
asciilifeform |
(when 'war game' simulations revealed that all american ships would perish within hours, they started rigging the 'games') |
17:39 |
Apocalyptic |
<asciilifeform> if you are reading this - it is almost certainly a terrible use of your time. // terrible as in wasted ? |
17:39 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
17:39 |
Apocalyptic |
i've probably wasted more time on lesser occupations |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
not just time. |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
satan preserve you if anyone learns you had something worth using this procedure on. |
17:40 |
Apocalyptic |
oh, I see |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
enemy will flay you and everyone you call a friend, to try to learn where it is. |
17:41 |
Apocalyptic |
It's more out of curiosity than out of potential usefull procedures I may apply in the future |
17:42 |
asciilifeform |
soviet 'treasure burial' teams have created some very interesting (if dangerous) finds for future archaeologists. |
17:43 |
kanzure |
lana sator has been doing some of that archeology already |
17:43 |
asciilifeform |
and i can hardly imagine that other nations didn't crib from their recipe. |
17:43 |
kanzure |
exploring various abandoned soviet particle accelerators, etc |
17:43 |
kanzure |
http://lana-sator.livejournal.com/ |
17:43 |
assbot |
, , , ... 18+ |
17:43 |
kanzure |
wha? |
17:43 |
asciilifeform |
kanzure: nah, those're plain old ruins |
17:43 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: usg nuclear bombing ships: yeah there's the famous 'nuclear attack on fleet' bomb series at the bikini atoll: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv9yS0tRFhI |
17:43 |
assbot |
Project Crossroads Nuclear tests near the Bikini Atoll - Baker Shot 1946 - YouTube |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
anyone who wants to see these ruins - suitcase, airplane, don't wait for the scrap dealers. |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
take a geiger along. |
17:46 |
decimation |
in vegas off the strip there is a 'nuclear testing museum: I recommend going if you find yourself there. |
17:47 |
decimation |
when I went there was a fellow there who apparently was part of the crew that would enter the underground 'cave' formed by an explosion |
17:48 |
decimation |
one such experiment: http://www.wipp.energy.gov/science/ug_lab/gnome/gnome.htm |
17:48 |
assbot |
Project GNOME - Unrelated to WIPP...but nearby |
17:52 |
Apocalyptic |
asciilifeform, on a related note what's your opinion about 'KGB: the Inside Story' by Christopher Andrew ? |
17:52 |
asciilifeform |
Apocalyptic: he printed a large number of variations on 'sword & shield', most repeat themselves in a genuinely dreary way |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
this "'KGB: the Inside Story' by Christopher Andrew" string reminds me of the "stop sending niggers then" joke. |
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17:53 |
asciilifeform |
Apocalyptic: much of the material stolen by mitrokhin was either boring, or too juicy to print |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic do you know it ? |
17:54 |
asciilifeform |
everybody knows that one. |
17:54 |
Apocalyptic |
this looks like it was printed first, allegedly in 1990 |
17:54 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea, I'm asking whether it's worth a read, I don't have nor know it |
17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
i meant the joke |
17:55 |
Apocalyptic |
I don't |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
cia sends mole to inflitrate kgb. this is apparently successful, but nothing of value is ever obtained. |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
cia sends replacement mole. this also is apparently successful... buit... again |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
by the 5th or so replacement there's a distinct impression with upper cia management that the soviets are like... sending complicated insider jokes over the mole wire. |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
finally a high level defector is taken into a manager's meeting, fed somon fume and asked politely |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
he confirms that yes they knew all about al of them, explains some of the insider jokes |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
"mr devektorovskyi, what are we to do then ?" |
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17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
"i dunno... maybe stop sending niggers ?" |
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17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
what the FUCK has some schmuck by the name cristopher to say about the inside of the kgb ? |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
based on supposedly-actual story, where russians noticed that staples in certain passports failed to rust. |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
yea lol |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
cristopher << brit. mitrokhin surrendered to the brits. |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
muppet, who was given the job of cranking out a tabloid-grade book supposedly based on the 100kg or so of stolen paper. |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"inside the genovese family, by derparian herparistarian." wtf already. no armenians in sicily. |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, one is well advised to evaluate his level of interest on such topics. if it's a passing casual worth 5k words then skimming one of these pulpy offerings is maybe fine. if serious enough to remember names, then probably skimming the original papers is a better bet |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
rather than reading the same "us girl next door in a sheet = roman matron" story re-written over and over 500 times. |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: very few of the original papers were ever made public as such |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
and the authenticity of the ones that were - is, naturally, questionable. |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly when i saw you discussing indexing and searching pdf documents i thought this is what it was for - all that crap is pdf-digitized. |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
outside of digging through secret service archives, why the fuck would anyone put up with pdf. |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
some. of the purported crap. yes. |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
russians, accustomed to carrying around terabytes of scanned w4r3z for a generation, prefer 'djvu' - for which there is really no substitute. |
18:04 |
decimation |
djvu is a pretty amazing 'paper' compression tool. proprietary "paperport" works very well too |
18:04 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
(fully documented format, originally, afaik, crapped out by 'bell labs') |
18:06 |
asciilifeform |
'djvu', even on an aged box, scrolls so quickly one almost can believe he has a microfilm viewer. |
18:06 |
asciilifeform |
a fat book takes <5 MB typically. |
18:07 |
asciilifeform |
if you have an 'ocr' system, the format allows for an searchable text 'track.' |
18:07 |
decimation |
to be fair I think there are methods of using good compression with pdf too. My main point yesterday was about searching the text, for which pdfs are not necessary. after all, if you ocr it, then it ought to exist as a .txt file |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
afaik patent trolls succeeded in more or less exterminating acceptable compression for scanned books. djvu was devised by folks who didn't care to comply. |
18:09 |
asciilifeform |
present-day ocr is notoriously inadequate for scanned historic documents, esp. of poor quality or non-latin scripts. |
18:09 |
asciilifeform |
plus one generally wants to keep the photos. |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
this would have been a perfect application for ai |
18:10 |
asciilifeform |
ocr performed on 'djvu' document typically inserts an ascii text track, along with 'bounding boxes' internally |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"given this string and this set of photos, find the string likelies" |
18:10 |
asciilifeform |
so document becomes quasi-searchable while viewed in the customary way |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
sadly... no ai. |
18:10 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah I agree, 'djvu' with a text-track would be a pretty good format |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe with quantum computing. |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: it's already in the standard |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
modern 'neural network' ocr - at least for latin alphabet - is 99+% accurate. sadly this is not enough to dispense with the original images. |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i meant "for any script" |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
it's MACHINE intelligence after all neh ? |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
this is where it should shine |
18:13 |
asciilifeform |
yes, we'd all like 'a pony.' |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd like a fluffy one! :D |
18:13 |
fluffypony |
lol |
18:14 |
asciilifeform |
'i even made a pony-monkey hybrid to please you! what's with all the screaming. you like monkeys, you like ponys. maybe i used too many monkeys... isn't it enough that i ruined a pony making a gift for you!' |
18:14 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: do you know of a reasonable gui tool to search and index djvu's with text? |
18:15 |
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mircea_popescu sayz sed! awk! then re-reads the gui part, ponders, gets depressed and leaves. |
18:16 |
Apocalyptic |
heh |
18:20 |
jurov |
indexing with sed/awk, rly? |
18:22 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: *shrug* |
18:22 |
ben_vulpes |
indexing the blockchain? sed and awk! |
18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes what is the objection ? |
18:23 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: sed, awk works fine if you want to search your entire corpus every time |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
and if you don't you can make them make an index file. |
18:23 |
ben_vulpes |
ain't none |
18:24 |
decimation |
this is true, seems like it should be a 'solved problem'. I think some implementations of 'hadoop' do exactly this |
18:26 |
dignork |
decimation: Lucene probably |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation i think the only reason it isn't a solved problem is this sort of argument : http://contravex.com/2014/08/26/infosec-education-because-stephane-bortzmeyer-is-lazy-and-im-not/ ie "usability". once you add that fuzzy requirement smart people get bored and leave, |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
leaving the mess to be handled by the sort of people that make guis. |
18:27 |
decimation |
true. making a good gui is difficult and thankless work |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it is impossible and thankless work. difficult is one thing. |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
but a good gui is a provab le impossibility. "make me a very hot woman that still wants to be my girlfriend instead of say that guy's" |
18:34 |
jurov |
remembering names and most used options of gnu text suite is an impossibility, too |
18:35 |
decimation |
jurov: agreed. I'm always having to consult find, grep, xargs, etc man pages |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
well depends how much thought you put into it |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't readily remember the names of all the women i've been with either. |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
on the upside, once you get it done you can forget about it. |
18:39 |
decimation |
heh yeah, which results in sites like this: www.commandlinefu.com/ |
18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"Create a random file of a certain, and display progress along the way." |
18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
SYNTAX ERROR! |
18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
MISSING PARAMETER AFTER "certain". please read your commandlinefu documentation and try again!!11 |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and who the hell has cowsay installed omg. |
18:42 |
Apocalyptic |
"Random data is generated by encrypting /dev/zero" // a curious way to generate random data |
18:43 |
jurov |
i was intrigued why it isn't possible for computer to keep asking for missing pieces until the task is fully defined |
18:44 |
jurov |
"Please define `random'" |
18:44 |
jurov |
would be fund to watch its users |
18:44 |
jurov |
*fun |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"random" |
18:46 |
jurov |
"Random means in no predefined order" |
18:47 |
jurov |
"Error, please retr with positive definition" |
18:47 |
asciilifeform |
'error - not a typewriter' << actual |
18:48 |
jurov |
lp0 on fire |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
not a bad idea jurov |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
lp0 on fire << saw this alive |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
(not the message. the condition.) |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
mis-spent youth. |
18:52 |
asciilifeform |
'usability' << is not necessarily a nonsense word. consider the difference between the linux and bsd userland utils |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
in the latter, considerably greater consistency of flags |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
but yes, normally when people whine about 'usability,' they want - pony. |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
i.e., instrument with user interface of a pencil, but somehow not the functionality of pencil. |
18:56 |
asciilifeform |
'the only 'intuitive' interface is the tit - everything after that is learned.' |
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18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
(the cunt also) |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
oddly enough. |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
on which end. |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
on both ends. |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
dealing with the fallout is learned, but using the things is innate. |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
and for that matter, pencils are horribly unintuitive interfaces. think of all the great drawing in the world, and the poor user buying a pencil in the shop will draw what ? a cat ? |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
this old world sort of nonsense can not endure my friends! i am making a company that will revolutionize drawing! |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
-- said herr daguerre |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
shit. |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i just walked into that didn't . |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
did. lol |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
+i |
19:02 |
* |
asciilifeform always found it interesting that people whine if they try to use his computer, but never think to borrow eyeglasses and then complain |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 |
19:02 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Programmer’s Editors, Illustrated. |
19:04 |
asciilifeform |
(moral, for the thick, is that an equivalent of the profession 'optician' does not yet exist for these machines) |
19:04 |
asciilifeform |
and may not ever exist. |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
dude you and your vi hate. |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
but actually... i find myself using nano a lot moar these days |
19:10 |
decimation |
I use nano when emacs is too heavy-handed |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
so mebbe there's some meat to the assertion, vi inhabits a middle that doesnt really exist |
19:14 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/operation-terrorstorm-oneoneeleventy/ |
19:15 |
mod6 |
<3 vi/m |
19:19 |
cazalla |
oh boy |
19:22 |
cazalla |
sounds like decentralised swatting |
19:22 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: yeah your post reminds me of Mr. Yarvin's point about insulting the "protected class". |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla quite. costs like a bitcoin to do, too. |
19:24 |
decimation |
one wonders about the total sum of $ that usg has spent just this year searching enemies of the people |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i have a glass table and an optic mouse. |
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19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking hell. |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiBYM6g8Tck |
19:34 |
assbot |
Los del Rio - Macarena (Original Video) [HD] - YouTube |
19:35 |
cazalla |
i wonder what the chicks in that music video look like now |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
fifty year olds. |
19:47 |
cazalla |
!s newegg |
19:47 |
assbot |
22 results for 'newegg' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=newegg |
19:47 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756333 |
19:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-07-2014 16:54:16; ThickAsThieves: even newegg is bullish http://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/14-3631/images/imgs/hero1.jpg |
19:49 |
cazalla |
would it be a safe bet the reason newegg and other sites offer a discount when using bitcoin is that it's easy means of coin for usg? they can print as much $ to give discounts and the coin flows from customers -> newegg -> bitpay -> usg? |
19:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/8/27/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-on-galts-gulch-chile.html |
19:57 |
assbot |
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly on Galt's Gulch Chile |
19:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
so mr berwick knew problems last year and didnt do anything? |
20:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00085109 = 5.447 BTC [-] |
20:07 |
thestringpuller |
i am about to go into a panel on bitcoin lol |
20:08 |
thestringpuller |
cazalla: this is great point |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=240 lawl |
20:15 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash |
20:16 |
decimation |
lol The20YearIRCloud that's an amusing post |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
uomoletale ahajhajaja |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up blast |
20:19 |
blast |
huzza |
20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud i don't get what this "let's all go huddle together" thing is supposed to do. |
20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
seems of the ilk of "island of women" and "tower of song", ie, cheap notional filler for "virtual spaces" a la video games |
20:20 |
blast |
but the island of woman is real, except its a mountain, in brazil ;D |
20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google tvtropes planet of hats |
20:20 |
gribble |
Main/Planet of Hats - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats>; Webcomic/Planet of Hats - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/PlanetOfhats>; Main/Planet of Copyhats - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfCopyhats> |
20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
blast romania has this too. it's called gaina, which is how you say hen, and it's the place surpluss women were taken by their tribe for to sell over to another tribe for > 5k years. |
20:21 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/30/im-big-in-fuzhou/ |
20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud: There's a town close to me that once every year auctions off 250-350 safe deposit box contents, you bid per box and don't know what is in them. All are seized from people who either didn't pay up or forgot about em << isn't there a reality show predicated on this process ? |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation lmao at those terms. so... why get it then ? |
20:24 |
asciilifeform |
i thought those go to the basement of 'the fed' in wash., d.c. |
20:24 |
asciilifeform |
it is said to contain a great many. |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: re: 'swat' post: am i the only one who instantly thought of this: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/files/2009/09/14-sovietleaderleonidbrezhnevandeas.jpg |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
someone should morph http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/swatted.png to the lemons kissing. |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
as a gif. enough nightmare fuel there for a week |
20:27 |
thestringpuller |
theu are talking aboit the collapse of mtgox |
20:27 |
thestringpuller |
i will be referwncing trilema |
20:28 |
thestringpuller |
wow lag beyond trade engine lag |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: asciilifeform: unfortunately if the "from whom" is usg in its many forms, the answer is largely: nowhere << bs lol. |
20:29 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'usg' in that context also includes all 'decay daughters' thereof |
20:29 |
asciilifeform |
i.e., armed thugs turned free-agent when the whole thing finally blows |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
even so. |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
in my experience, folks preoccupied with hidey-holes tend to neglect the question of where they intend to hide... their arse |
20:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00085067 = 18.1193 BTC [-] {2} |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile back at reality ranch, obtaining superior fire power in a limited geographical area is a trivial task. |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the usg collapsing doesn't make it harder. |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
while supplies last. |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
for everyone. this is not a valid objection any more than saying "for as long as gravity is still in force" |
20:32 |
asciilifeform |
and if it becomes generally known that, e.g., a Castle Moldenstein, contains a bunker full of goodies - there is the incentive for all-comers to soften the target. |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
the best castle wall is - distance. works even on nukes. |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not as simple as that. |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
take any stirkingly beautiful woman walking into a bar. is she more likely or less likely to be hit on ? |
20:36 |
asciilifeform |
point, yes |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
any supermodel material chick will tell you nobody dares, on the assumption. |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
so, some may try to soften the target, which allows the target to populate the road towards it with heads on pikes. |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
which is the point of a "justice system" in the first place. |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
overall, these would be "softeners" work as hardeners and are quite useful. |
20:37 |
asciilifeform |
there are folks (in usa) working on this variant as we speak. the ones that succeed and aren't provocateur shills - we'll know because none of them are on the net. |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
and which is why it's so important to get the message loud and clear to any bureaucrat anywhere, that if it comes to war, and we win, he will hang. |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
no questions asked, and his children will be raped for the public record. |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
if this happens - it'll be a historic first, afaik. |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
ussr, for instance, did no such thing when germany lost. |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ussr isn't remembered for having been led by the smartest people ever. |
20:39 |
asciilifeform |
how does one say 'приспособленец' in english ? |
20:39 |
asciilifeform |
that's who most of the muppets in question are |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, the "no historical precedent" is what the bureaucrat instinctively answers |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
it was on display earlier in this very chan. |
20:40 |
asciilifeform |
naturally. |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a thought : everything that has historical precendent now didn't originally. |
20:40 |
asciilifeform |
led by the smartest people ever << aye. witness that there are 'ukrainians' alive. |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
on the strenght of the zero one infinity rule alone, and of the banal observation that bitcoin also has no historical precendent, it seems... unwise to bet that 1 is the lucky number. |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
infinity seems infinitely more likely. |
20:41 |
asciilifeform |
inventions - happen. |
20:41 |
asciilifeform |
seems like we've this one nailed down. now, implementation... 'exercise for alert reader.' |
20:42 |
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20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it will probably come down to "you're not in the wot, and so therefore may not claim to own property or pretend to sue anyone" |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
problem solved. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"your negative rating in the wot means you can be killed by anyone and nobody'll care or do anything about it" |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
now try and argue why it's not really fair that you're negrated because some major players didn't like your early anti-bitcoin involvement. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
xmj experienced live a tiny case study of this general principle, originally. |
20:50 |
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21:05 |
asciilifeform |
killed by anyone << aha - 'homo sacer' |
21:06 |
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21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: When I say "allodial title" I mean something like having the right to arrest anyone - including government employees - on your property << that';s maybe going a little far. but the right to quash any action of anyone involving that land is germane. |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
(you wouldn't be able to arrest anyone, but you would be able to void any application for a warrant) |
21:07 |
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21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: very few physical objects are worth the cost of raising an army to keep arbitrarily large horde of orcs away << this argument is flawed in the following way : for he who is repulsed by war, this holds true. for he who however enjoys war, no payment is necessary. |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the relevant quote is in http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ : |
21:08 |
assbot |
A very unfair perspective. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
21:08 |
asciilifeform |
if like war - straight to war. |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
There isnt, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active. If youre not prepared and absolutely willing to spend any amount of time up to the entire rest of your life seeking out and butchering leeches with only the satifaction of well applied, excruciating cruelty as your reward, youre not made for this world and you wont long have a place |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
in it. This cant be delegated, its a personal thing. Like citizenship. Like nationality. The only nation immune to the fate of Rhodesia is a nation of that kind of people, living in that kind of world. |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
and it links quite well into "what would the devil have to pay you for you to love him". |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
if you don't like living, you can't be paid to live. |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
if you like living, pay is not really a relevant consideration. |
21:08 |
asciilifeform |
but notice that active players in a war rarely occupy themselves with hiding valuables |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
because the fetish of value is not value |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
and people who like to live have enough sense to understand this difference. |
21:09 |
asciilifeform |
hold territory - sure. impale enemies - yes. bury treasure - why ? |
21:10 |
asciilifeform |
hence the sea capsule example. for some classes of object (nuke?) this might be cost-effective storage. |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
(free up the men normally guarding for other pursuits; replace with king neptune, who can't be bribed and doesn't sleep) |
21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda what the nuclear subs are anyway. |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
yes. but those have engines, men, cost more. |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
sea capsule is just a gedankenexperiment (though, i'm told, u.s. navy has insisted on actually trying.) i'm not altogether convinced that, properly carried out, it is cheaper than 'graveyard orbit' |
21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
not easy evaluating what such things cost. |
21:24 |
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21:24 |
decimation |
re: allodial title: I suppose with reference to how it was practiced in medieval England, the king's agents could be on your property on business which has the mutual consent of the king and his lords |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
i did tally up the cost, but the first anything naturally - expensive. |
21:25 |
decimation |
re:safe deposit box, my understanding is that these are the terms all banks in the us give for such things |
21:25 |
assbot |
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21:25 |
asciilifeform |
drowning a box of strange in the atlantic is a considerably quieter operation than launching a rocket, however. so perhaps it wins. |
21:25 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation it's complicated, but in general property is the bane of human existence, so any absolute property has the potential to be absolutely murderous. |
21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
(look at what happened when people thought the church is a people, started donating a little to it and inadvertently created the largest landholder because unlike them, thge church didn;t die regularly) |
21:26 |
decimation |
I'm thinking of the mongols' advantage over the static empires of the east |
21:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the point of the bank box story is that it was entirely unclear to me wtf is the very point of such a thing, given the caveats |
21:26 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah I think the main point is that you might store papers and things that would be moderately annoying to replace in case of fire |
21:27 |
decimation |
certainly nothing of 'value' |
21:27 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: esp. since the one and only event that could reasonably be insured against - contents present at logged date N and absent on opening N+k - wasn't. |
21:28 |
decimation |
well I think those terms are 'aspirational' - it goes to the arbitration conversation from a few weeks ago. everyone wants a click-wrap eula that holds them immune from any liability |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
implication, to me, was - if you're happy with the box, take your goodies and post them straight to the enemy - at least then you'll know where they are. |
21:29 |
decimation |
heh yeah agreed, especially if the 'value' of those items was simply the information on the documents |
21:31 |
decimation |
re: gult's gulch << I find it amusing that folks who supposedly value 'self-reliance' and 'liberty' are unable to actually fly to chile and buy some land for themselves, it can't be that hard for a person with means & brains |
21:31 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: see mircea_popescu's point earlier |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: in usa, people have contracted the disease of thinking that money can substitute for everything, including brain and balls |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> asciilifeform: yeah I think the main point is that you might store papers and things that would be moderately annoying to replace in case of fire << divorce. |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
divorce << probably the worst possible use of a bank box in usa. other tidbit in the contract was that the bank will immediately impound any box against whose owner there are civil proceedings |
21:33 |
decimation |
in which case the courts will hand whatever valubles to the woman, 'to support the children' |
21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> decimation: in usa, people have contracted the disease of thinking that money can substitute for everything, including brain and balls << well their government kinda depends on this principle, so if it';s good enough for the king... |
21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
this is what fucking moral hazard means, incidentally. |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
i can hardly picture a dumber hiding place then a container in a public place with your name on it. |
21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, so no divorce, no flood http://www.cnbc.com/id/49972188 |
21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
fire seems the only reason left :p |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
fire was also excluded. |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
0 liability for bank. |
21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
seeing how supermarkets also offer lockable containers on the same premise as banks do |
21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
it seems to me it's time to go down on sam's club for acting like a bank w/o a license. |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
upon reading of that contract, i came to inescapable conclusion that the box thing is an active chump-magnet rather than simply a poor deal. |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
basically, it's the living wage embodied. |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone wants to be paid a rent for existing |
21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
banks not exluded. |
21:38 |
The20YearIRCloud |
safe deposit boxes? |
21:38 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: them. |
21:38 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Around here, most use coffee cans buried. Now you can go to a store and get a "underground safe" |
21:38 |
decimation |
let me look at my terms... yep, it excludes fire, explosion, intense heat, smoke, water (including fire suppression system) building collapse, terrorism, war, intentional destructive acts, or failures of electrical, mechanical, plumbing or structural systems, or for actions caused by any person |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: field day for the folks with ground-penetrating radar. |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
(not to be confused with 'mine detector' that every kid owns) |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: my particular one even mentioned failure of the vault locks. |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaahah |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
dudes you gotta get out of the sticks, srsly. |
21:41 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I keep looking for GPR so i can take it to properties/estates I buy out |
21:41 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Once in a while I get the chance to buy a un-touched estate - Kids have no interest or are out of state, a trustee locks the property up and you bid on the real estate + all contents |
21:42 |
asciilifeform |
get out of the sticks << all of us in the sticks - are there for reasons. |
21:42 |
asciilifeform |
just like the other wretches stuck therein |
21:42 |
decimation |
The20YearIRCloud: yeah that's probably not a bad idea, radar would also find unpleasant surprises that are buried |
21:42 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Such as? |
21:42 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the instrument in question is no military secret of any kind. contact a firm that lays pipes. |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
or - build own. |
21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
<The20YearIRCloud> Such as? << dead hookers, for one. |
21:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I don't know that they can be built, the costs were exorbant for non-military types |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, if burial is recent, a searcher can use 'nazi method' |
21:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
and the thing is, for the most part the world is a big big place and GPR is very limited in what it can do |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
that is, pour water, see how quickly it absorbs |
21:43 |
decimation |
The20YearIRCloud: barrels of toxic waste? |
21:44 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Or mason jars full of old coins :D |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud here's an exercise for you. today you find in a yard 1k coins of 10 grams each, minted 1750. |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
when digging my garden (moved out of microscopic flat in late may, into a rented house) i found intact glass bottles, with caps on. appear to contain decades-old 'coca cola.' |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
how much is this find worth in dollars ? |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
(gold coins, i mean) |
21:45 |
The20YearIRCloud |
One guy found around $200k in his back yard in my area |
21:46 |
decimation |
there was this story last year: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-buried-california-gold-coins-auction-20140528-story.html |
21:46 |
assbot |
Rare gold coins buried in California hit market; one fetches $15,000 - LA Times |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
how much he kept from the 200 ? |
21:46 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Depends on who minted them and the composition :D |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
how much the crown took; how much - auctioneers |
21:46 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Even in the mid 1700s the quality of gold coins ranged from 50% to 92.5% |
21:46 |
The20YearIRCloud |
$15k isn't much for a 'rare gold coin' |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud how much did he get to buy beer for ? |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
plus such finds are generally sold for numismatic value, and not as bullion |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
so anyone's guess |
21:47 |
decimation |
The20YearIRCloud: that was one coin out of 1400 |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
(in general your take is about the same as if publishing a book : about 5 to 10% after govt, agent, editor etc is done raping you) |
21:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
But usually the sensationalist media takes the biggest/best one to start it off with |
21:47 |
decimation |
:The so-called Saddle Ridge Hoard, made up of denominations of $5, $10 and $20, could bring in $10 million when the sale is all said and done, with several pieces expected to command prices as high as $1 million, experts say." |
21:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
heck we had a local auctioneer do one guy's coin collection, the whole collection fit on a few small tables and sold for $350k |
21:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: and this isn't even considering the variant with spurious lawsuits |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed. |
21:47 |
decimation |
one wonders about the potential 'laundry' being done off of such a rich stash |
21:47 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, IANAL, but i can easily picture, e.g, a landlord, arguing 'mineral rights' on the coins. |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
or - to make life more interesting - let's say that you find a sealed crate of kalashes, in cosmoline, rather than coins. |
21:49 |
decimation |
or barrels of toxic waste |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
or 'mustard gas' - as happened in early 2000s near an embassy in d.c. |
21:50 |
decimation |
heh didn't hear about that til now http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/jan99/mustard24.htm |
21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ah that's where saddam was keeping his chem weapons ? |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
worth what? plenty. liquidate it? more likely, your organs will be sold to pay for it carted away |
21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
o wait, it wasn't him. it was bush that hung for this |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
21:51 |
The20YearIRCloud |
If I find a box of AKs here in the US there's nothing to do but leap for joy |
21:51 |
decimation |
"Army officials say the canisters, if they exist, do not pose a threat to the affluent Spring Valley neighborhood as long as they remain undisturbed." << "it's okay for you" |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: afaik+ianal - it depends where in usa. |
21:51 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Theoretically it'd be possible to sell them in any state if you take the right steps |
21:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
if they're real-deal AKs you just demill the reciever, then the rest can be sold |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
if they're the real thing (full auto) - you're probably bankrupt just staying out of court |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
sold as scrap, yes. |
21:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
if they're semi autos, they can be sold to out of state |
21:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Scrap = Worth $300-$3000 depending on make |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
to go back to the example with coins - you're probably safe if you melt them down and sell by gram |
21:52 |
decimation |
start stashing 7.62 ammo and raise army |
21:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The serial numbered portion is the only part essentially that's illegal |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
but this destroys most of the value of the find |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
so we're no longer answering the question of what the find per se is worth, in that case. |
21:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
With regards to coins, you only need to avoid the very, very limited types that are assumed to be stolen from the mint |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
eventually, the soviet denouement is that all precious metal is presumed 'stolen from mint.' |
21:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Other than that, it's pretty easy to stay quiet, and slowly sell off the horde without signfiicant attention |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
other interesting thing about treasure is that, afaik, your tax liability officially begins when the shovel opens the box |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
see the many stories of lotto winners who take home mazeratis and then go bankrupt |
21:55 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: brings to mind the play quoted by Mr. Yarvin where the kulak is found guilty of hording foreign currency in basement |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
khruschev turned this into a hanging offense. retroactively. |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
(gold, rather than foreign currency, in that case, but applied across the board) |
21:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
In the us , gold hording could be jailable, but silver hording was encouraged |
21:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
speaking of the 30s-50s |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
silver, at the time, (and largely still today) being primarily an industrial metal - the supply was already safely corralled. |
21:58 |
decimation |
yeah back in the early 1900's the whole idea of the 'silver dollar' was the precursor to the modern bezzle |
21:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Us silver coin production was astronomical |
21:59 |
decimation |
after 'backing' your currency with relatively worthless metal, the next logical step being to 'back' it with nothing it all |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
they occasionally turn up in loose change even now. |
22:00 |
decimation |
silver makes excellent electrical conductors though. |
22:00 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: understand why it is rarely used as such. |
22:00 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Right now it's about 1:10,000 in dimes, and about 1:25,000 in quarters |
22:00 |
asciilifeform |
(while gold is king in all fine electronics) |
22:00 |
The20YearIRCloud |
and around 1:1,000 from halves |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
oxidation. |
22:01 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah oxidation, terrible contacts |
22:01 |
decimation |
gold however... |
22:02 |
decimation |
gold actually has worse conductance than copper, but it doesn't oxidize |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
usually the absolute conductivity isn't critical. resistance to corrosion and heat conductivity - is. |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
copper plated with gold is more or less 'best of worlds' |
22:03 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Well, considering how little of the connection is used for the gold, it makes plenty of sense |
22:04 |
decimation |
ie your ENIG boards |
22:04 |
The20YearIRCloud |
gold connectors are usually large, so there's more conductivity (due to lower resistence) |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
and everybody's. |
22:04 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Although theoretically silver wire with gold connectors would be the bee's knees |
22:04 |
decimation |
gold is also used exclusively to connect pins to chip dies if I recall correctly |
22:04 |
The20YearIRCloud |
That's also true |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
yes |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
gold also solders beautifully, because the coating remains smooth |
22:04 |
The20YearIRCloud |
This is of course until we discover room-temperature superconductors, then it's all off |
22:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The little bit of silver soldering I've done has been quite smooth too |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
room-temperature superconductors << unless we all perish in laser pistol duels. |
22:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I just want my emdrive hovercar and hoverbike |
22:05 |
decimation |
The20YearIRCloud: doubtful. in most circuitry heat loss in conductors isn't terribly critical, and it's hard to imagine said superconductors would be better/cheaper to fabricate than the metals we are discussing |
22:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Most of the data I'm seeing seems to support that once we reach that point, everyone gets their own airship |
22:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'm sure that's right, but i can dream |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
heat loss in conductors isn't terribly critical << consider why virtually all present-day applications of low temperature superconductors is in high-strength magnets. |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
because there - yes, critical. |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
room temperature supercon is a box of surprises. |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., home 'mri' scanner plus some fairly simple image processing. |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
result - no rich man need die from most cancers. |
22:08 |
decimation |
I think there are some cold superconductors used in new york to move lots of electricity through tight spaces too: http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/superconductors-enter-commercial-utility-service |
22:08 |
assbot |
Superconductors Enter Commercial Utility Service - IEEE Spectrum |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
don't shoot a man with lead and gunpowder, shoot him with pocket railgun on watch battery - classier. |
22:08 |
The20YearIRCloud |
we' |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
(bonus: shoot with the battery) |
22:08 |
The20YearIRCloud |
We have been very much on the upswing concerning superconductors. 50 years ago you had to be near absolute zero, now you can do it at like -200c |
22:09 |
assbot |
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22:09 |
asciilifeform |
al schwarts published a possible recipe for room temperature supercon - afaik, it was ignored. |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
(or in use by chicoms - like his certain other creations) |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
(which others? |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
!s eotvos |
22:10 |
assbot |
2 results for 'eotvos' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=eotvos |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
) |
22:10 |
The20YearIRCloud |
is he the emdrive guy? |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
no. |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
his products - work. |
22:11 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Emdrive seems to work too |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
in the sense that podkletnov's drive 'worked.' |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
(emdrive, not schwartz) |
22:12 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It's going to JPL for testing, which is a pretty darn good sign as to it working |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
as did podkletnov's, afaik. |
22:12 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And from the papers I've seen, it doesn't seem to be signfiicantly more different than the theory behind VASMIR, and NASA was all over that 15 years ago |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
nasa is happy to fund every perpetual-motion crank on the planet - but if you're an industrial organic chemist with a history of rocking the boat - forget it. |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
vasmir doesn't violate newton's 3rd. |
22:13 |
The20YearIRCloud |
neither does the emdrive |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
if you ask any physics crank, his machines never violate physical law |
22:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
and in the case of emdrive as well, it's signfiicantly more efficient than ion drives, but not absurdly so |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
there's always an 'imaginary particle' involved |
22:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And it, just like ion drives, both would benefit amazingly well by room conducting superconductors |
22:14 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
22:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Like quantum entanglement? |
22:15 |
asciilifeform |
what classical law does it violate? |
22:16 |
asciilifeform |
understand, we'd all love a working perpetuum mobile or reactionless thruster. |
22:16 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'd have to find the papers, but 30-40 years ago it was supposed to violate several principals |
22:16 |
asciilifeform |
but the folks involved with 'emdrive' have a rich history of fraud (usg and principals both) |
22:16 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And now, peer reviewed studies seem to come out every few months continaully supporting entanglement |
22:17 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it seems to me that an Eötvös balance would be pretty straightforward to build |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: dig the log |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: we came up with a setup that didn't require eotvos balance |
22:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And harold white is a con too? |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772706 |
22:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-07-2014 19:05:02; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom. |
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22:18 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: no need to be a con man in the usual sense to acquiesce to usg SOP. |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
if you want to know what test - bring schwartz out of his hidey hole, wherever it is, and ask him. he enjoys explaining it, me - it just depresses |
22:20 |
decimation |
But according to wikipedia, it appears that the Eötvös balance is some balls, a rod, some string, and some mirrors |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
if you want the needed accuracy - it's rather more complicated. |
22:21 |
decimation |
okay that makes sense |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
(atmosphere of controlled temperature, pressure - and, more importantly, provenance) |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
concept of 'provenance' is key here |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
i recall mircea_popescu even used this tale as an example in an essay |
22:21 |
decimation |
as in, ensuring that all of the masses can be traced to some standard, etc? |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
not only standard, but as agreed upon by all pertinent professionals |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
including the set that want schwartz to die in a fire |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
(he nearly managed it once) |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
(30+% 3rd deg. burns) |
22:23 |
decimation |
wow, that sucks. metrology is it's own weird little world |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
if i were to sell a few extra organs, i could run the 50k variant of the experiment. and i'd go to my grave knowing that equivalence principle can be violated. but that'd be all. |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
it won't: 'count.' |
22:24 |
decimation |
I called up NIST a few weeks ago, asked them how much it would cost to measure the phase noise of an oscillator. They said it would only cost their time, which would come to about $10k! for a morning session |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
schwartz is one of the very few people i know of whose problem cannot be solved with money per se. |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
he could, potentially, upgrade to rich pariah instead of modestly wealthy pariah |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
but that'd be it. |
22:25 |
decimation |
well, mircea's theory is that musical tastes randomly change with time & entropy, the same is true for academic fashions |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: there's also other factors. |
22:26 |
decimation |
one wonders which forgotten scientist will be recorded by history while official science is resigned to the dustbin |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: adelberger, for example, would have to perform seppuku - and all of his students, and their students |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
(if schwartz were to be permitted to carry out his experiment, and obtained a positive result) |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
understand that the effect in question, even if it turns out to work as herr schwartz predicted, doesn't yield an 'antigravity jetpack' |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
it exists - if exists - somewhere after the 8th decimal. |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
but to even begin the kind of work it would take to 'technologize', is an investment that no one would remotely contemplate without the kind of proof that can only be obtained after his enemies were to give in. |
22:29 |
decimation |
yeah but it would have implications for relativity theory apparently |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
or a few centuries after we've all died. |
22:30 |
decimation |
'how much would you have to pay your enemies not to crush you in your moment of need' |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
this, as i understand, is why schwartz never made any attempt to raise funding |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
he's a clever enough fellow to understand that this would cement his already unenviable position |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
regardless of the outcome of the experiment, he'd end up seen just like the fellow who opened the 'esp instutute' |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
*institute |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
you can't pay your enemies to die. |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
if ussr were alive, perhaps he'd have defected. |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
but i suspect he'd sooner fellate his 'magnum.' |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
but this is the very problem that multiple kingdoms one can defect to is the only known solution. |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
see galileo & florence. |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
but they have to be actual sovereign kingdoms - not muppet shows. |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
and - they have to give a damn. |
22:36 |
decimation |
yeah this connects with our discussion the other day about the collapse of the ussr being terrible for usg |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
if i were, e.g, mircea_popescu, and gave a damn, i'd offer schwartz xxxx btc. half to show up here, half after he explains himself. |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
but poor s. apparently went 'full perelman mode' and doesn't write back any more. |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
(how to know that schwartz (or taleb, or...) collects 'prize' rather than usg stooge with a shannonizer and irc connection - exercise for alert reader.) |
22:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00085641 = 25.3926 BTC [-] {2} |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
the most i can offer to interested readers is repeat of mircea_popescu's algorithm 'have sex - with people, do business - with keys.' |
22:38 |
decimation |
“I don't even have an E-mail address. I have reached an age where my main purpose is not to receive messages,” Eco said at a party in his honor at the University Club of Chicago. |
22:38 |
decimation |
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1995/06/26/of-eco-and-e-mail |
22:38 |
assbot |
Of Eco And E-mail - The New Yorker |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
this is called perelman mode. |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
partial, if you like. full perelman is when you haven't a post address either. |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
!s perelman |
22:38 |
assbot |
3 results for 'perelman' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=perelman |
22:39 |
decimation |
perelman turned down the fields medal right? |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
not only. |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
he also turned down, if i recall, government pensions, interviews with journawhores, all of it. |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
lives somewhere in russian north, among the trees. |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
go find him. |
22:40 |
decimation |
probably with these folks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_People:_A_Year_in_the_Taiga |
22:40 |
assbot |
Happy People: A Year in the Taiga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
if he's feeling charitable, he might leave archaeologists a box of notebooks the ants won't eat. |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
(as, e.g, k. f. gauss did) |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
for all we know - perelman was eaten by local fauna, or fellated his nagant |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
but once in a while you hear that some busybody found him and told 'fuck off, can't answer for your safety if i see you again.' |
22:42 |
decimation |
it seems very few extreme math geniuses find this world a 'habitable' place |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
perelman had the unfortunate combination of math and iron balls. he would not 'play ball'. |
22:44 |
The20YearIRCloud |
who is eco again? |
22:44 |
decimation |
another way of looking at it: he's decided to hold 'allodial title' over his mind, the only place that is really possible in this world for mere humans |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
umberto eco. |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: this. |
22:44 |
decimation |
he wrote 'the name of the rose' among other things, ascii quotes it from time to time |
22:44 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i've been off reading physics articles trying to grasp things and lost the conversation |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the only work of that man i found readable |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
as i understand - he caught a memetic virus - 'postmodernism' - and might as well have contracted 'mad cow'. |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
(eco, not perelman) |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
same thing happened to russian mega-author v. pelevin |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
the action of the 'virus' was evident in his early work, but it got worse. |
22:46 |
decimation |
it is probably terrible to become an object of some fad among elites today |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: eco, pelevin, others - were clever chaps; understood that if you suck cock, you become a cock-sucker, even if 'your heart isn't in it' at first |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
schneier, i'm certain, understood |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
can carry on the list, but why. |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
we can all write the list. |
22:48 |
decimation |
probably the only real defense is to go 'full perelman' |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
less of a defense and more like slow-motion seppuku |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
this, incidentally, is how science dies. |
22:50 |
The20YearIRCloud |
because of the gubberment? |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
http://yarchive.net/physics/effete.html |
22:50 |
assbot |
Becoming effete (Steven B. Harris) |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
nah. |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
usg 'science' is - scar tissue. |
22:50 |
decimation |
'this' being that 'science' becomes inhabitable for non-fraudulent scientists? |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
aye. |
22:51 |
decimation |
I mean un-inhabitable |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
right |
22:51 |
The20YearIRCloud |
so where do they go? |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
civilizations senesce and die - like people. |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
this is possibly the best-known fact about them. |
22:54 |
decimation |
that's a good-quality usenet rant |
22:54 |
asciilifeform |
lots more where it came from. |
22:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
lol |
22:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i'm trying to catch up and understand :D |
22:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Darn my lack of understanding |
22:56 |
decimation |
!s professor salary |
22:56 |
assbot |
1 results for 'professor salary' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=professor+salary |
22:56 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2014#451059 |
22:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 21-01-2014 01:57:20; decimation: ?In 1890, professors salaries [at Amherst College] were $ 2,500, more than twenty times tuition. The step up from laborer to professor was immense, for the average wage earner in 1890 earned $425 a year. ? |
22:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13559 @ 0.00085789 = 11.6321 BTC [+] |
22:57 |
decimation |
that explains some of the problem: the egalitarian mind-virus |
22:57 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: can't fix with money. soviet professors rolled in cash (compared to most other occupations.) this just attracts poseurs. |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
(just as you can't fix, e.g., old age, with money - here's another 'yarchive' nugget - http://yarchive.net/med/conspiracies.html) |
22:58 |
assbot |
404 Not Found |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
go to hell, arsebot, it's 'found' |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
point being - we don't know how to repair broken cultures. the best we know - is how to help them die. |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
re: professors: |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
consider if you were to offer $maxint for antigrav device. |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
all the money in the world won't conjure into existence 'the rabbit out of a hat, unless said rabbit is already in the hat' |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
at least, not on a time scale you could put up with. |
23:01 |
decimation |
yeah that's a good point. I think the money is less important than the relative status, which is less important than just getting people to defer to their betters quickly |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: reward with status - get usg academics. |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
you get what you optimize for - plus exhaust. |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
there is probably a 'perelman' within driving distance of where you (any you) live. but he's almost certainly surrendered and sucking state cock (and perelman no longer) - or is occupied with the minutiae of physical survival |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo, perhaps, is working on the problem of building a hard disk that survives several centuries of exposure in the wilderness |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
and if he isn't, he should be |
23:08 |
decimation |
etch binary on rocks? |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
latency's killer. |
23:09 |
decimation |
heh |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
state of the art is probably (cloth-based) paper under inert gas. |
23:10 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: does your nexus 10 provide reasonably close 'paper-like' screen presentation? |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i trim all the border whitespace and get approx. the same 'paper' size as the original document |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
so in that sense yes |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
(as if this needed repeating - but for completeness - don't keep sensitive non-public material on 'nexus' or similar machine.) |
23:12 |
decimation |
assuming 1 inch margins that sounds about right |
23:12 |
decimation |
encrypted blobs are probably okay |
23:13 |
decimation |
no keys though |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
solely ones you'd consent to have transmitted by radio across the planet |
23:13 |
decimation |
right. |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
it is - a toy. |
23:13 |
* |
asciilifeform owns a number of toys, like other people |
23:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Did I tell you guys that the bank approved the series of loans for RentalStarter? |
23:14 |
decimation |
do you have any non-toy computers aside from your symbolics machines? |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
depends how you cut it |
23:14 |
decimation |
good job The20YearIRCloud! |
23:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Big thing is the terms were superior to what I expected, 5% vs 7%, and the ability to do 20yr fixed payback vs 15yr payback or adjustable rates |
23:15 |
* |
asciilifeform organizes machines similarly to mircea_popescu |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: almost certain that, given this, it doing anything but sitting on btc is a loss |
23:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
as in not utilizing available capital> |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
as in utilizing, to buy coin. |
23:18 |
decimation |
that's true, if btc is going to succeed, it is inevitable that it goes up several orders of magnitude in dollar price |
23:18 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yeah |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
someone (mircea_popescu?) suggested that, for so long as fiat long-term credit is available to anyone, this'll be the bullet that keeps killing it until dead. |
23:18 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Which is worrysome to me, but then I do have an auto-buy going through on a regular basis, so i'm trying to diversify in multiple methods - Bitcoin, USD, Silver/Gold/Coins , guns, real estate |
23:19 |
The20YearIRCloud |
hopefully between all that I'll personally be OK, but as far as the business is concerned, till bitcoin is a national currency and most workers get paid in it, it's gonna be hard for us to get truly involved in the BTC economy |
23:20 |
decimation |
The20YearIRCloud: sounds reasonable. real financial lending will not take place in bitcoin until it becomes the 'new currency' |
23:21 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And it's hard to judge when that will be, otherwise I do believe our model hedges well against USD collapse, and any major problems, while building enough capital and assets, should we have another downturn that we will be able to severely profit from it |
23:32 |
peterl |
The20YearIRCloud: so now you get to hold onto bitcoins and use loans to buy houses? |
23:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00086132 = 16.0636 BTC [+] |