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00:02	cazalla	kuzetsa, you're going to have to try much harder, that image is ofn and very tame. Choosing which one you would fuck if you had to is still a tough decision though
00:03	cazalla	fwiw, i'd fuck B, can look past the cock, can't the physique of the left
00:06	DreadKnight	benkay, yes, was afraid it might have been the case;
00:06	DreadKnight	kuzetsa, which the office you liked more?
00:06	DreadKnight	benkay, seen them both?
00:06	benkay	hell no that's not comedy.
00:07	DreadKnight	benkay, anyway, "copy cat" as in trying to fill the same shoes, so doesn't matter what order, if you see something else trying to be the same thing, it just feels wrong
00:07	DreadKnight	uncanny valley effect, like in games
00:10	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: It was so long ago I can barely remember either
00:10	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: though I think I like the non-UK office better
00:11	kuzetsa	trying to decide if I want to analyze the behavior of Win32/Bropia.G.worm in a sandbox or just nuke it and let someone else do the forensics tonight :(
00:11	kuzetsa	I mean... err... I'm retired, I never do anything O_O
00:11	DreadKnight	nuke it
00:12	DreadKnight	it's a worm
00:12	DreadKnight	= virus of some sort
00:12	kuzetsa	well yeah, but occasionally they're fun to watch
00:12	DreadKnight	go for it if that's your late saturday night type of fun
00:13	DreadKnight	hah, just found this https://btcjam.com
00:13	assbot	Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending - BTCJam
00:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00079981 = 7.7582 BTC [-]
00:17	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: yeaaaaah... nuking this worm is too much like work, I shouldn't have been so bold and reckless to begin with, so it's my own damn fault :(
00:18	kuzetsa	wiping the sandbox and doing a rollback to a clean snapshot was quicker *sigh*
00:19	DreadKnight	kuzetsa, why are you still on windows? xD
00:19	DreadKnight	heh, I recall you said a few times you're old
00:20	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: nVidia optimus on my craptop doesn't get full functionality on non-windows OS, sadly.
00:21	DreadKnight	afaik that does well on linux now, oh well
00:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00079981 = 21.8748 BTC [-]
00:24	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: really? including the ability for the drivers to power down the geforce 540GT mobile when it's not needed? (to save power)
00:26	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: any clue if it's nouveau, bumblebee, or some other driver solution? (the one which "does well"... also, which distro(s) have you tested it with?)
00:27	DreadKnight	http://askubuntu.com/questions/452556/how-to-set-up-nvidia-optimus-bumblebee-in-14-04
00:27	assbot	How to set up nVidia Optimus/Bumblebee in 14.04 - Ask Ubuntu
00:27	kuzetsa	oh, ubuntu? uhg :(
00:27	DreadKnight	and flavors
00:27	DreadKnight	it's not mandatory to use unity DE, you have plenty of options that work better for lower end devices
00:28	DreadKnight	ubuntu is just a foundation, you can customize your OS as you wish
00:28	DreadKnight	there's driver for nouveau as well afaik
00:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00079981 = 19.9553 BTC [-]
00:28	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: or I could just build my own bumblebee from source (with or without the gentoo ebuild to guide things into a sane, usable state) --> http://gpo.zugaina.org/x11-misc/bumblebee
00:28	assbot	Gentoo Portage Overlays - x11-misc/bumblebee
00:30	DreadKnight	building from source and gentoo are for nerds; funny to hear that stuff since you're using windoze atm
00:30	*	kuzetsa shrugs
00:31	DreadKnight	:)
00:31	DreadKnight	it's ok to be a nerd, I'm one too, that tries to avoid compiling though
00:32	kuzetsa	applying stereotypical assumptions and substituting loose correlations in place of logic
00:33	kuzetsa	I often am guilty of that when I talk smack about ubuntu or the userbase
00:35	kuzetsa	kinda like what you just did with "you're using windows" argument, but not as cool
00:35	DreadKnight	well, you're toying around with worms
00:35	kuzetsa	nah
00:35	DreadKnight	I often hear windows users complaining about antiviruses, viruses and a lot of other stuff
00:35	DreadKnight	like every day
00:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00080221 = 8.1023 BTC [+]
00:36	DreadKnight	I'm like "switch damn it and stop complaining already" in my mind
00:36	DreadKnight	gave up on windows a long time ago because of that kind of crap
00:36	benkay	bitcoin's going to fix that for them
00:36	kuzetsa	benkay: hmm? what is bitcoin going to fix?
00:37	DreadKnight	+
00:37	DreadKnight	switching to linux? xD
00:37	kuzetsa	no clue what you mean by "switching"
00:37	DreadKnight	same
00:37	benkay	people using windows.
00:38	DreadKnight	how? :P
00:38	thestringpuller	i use windows
00:38	kuzetsa	I use 3 or more OS per day most days, and rarely less than 2 (and one of them is always my linux box sitting at the local datacenter)
00:38	thestringpuller	and bitcoin on windows
00:38	thestringpuller	Stop hating benkay
00:38	thestringpuller	You're os'ist
00:38	DreadKnight	I'm not sure what bitcoin has to do with the OS
00:38	DreadKnight	though I'm not very fond of windows
00:39	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: I am, windows has a good reputation for being more solid for gaming than linux or mac
00:39	thestringpuller	wow
00:39	kuzetsa	other than that it's a very small (and constantly shrinking) list of apps which are native windows ones and happen to be part of some workflow or other
00:39	thestringpuller	"Bill Gates pushed for DirectX in the 90's now everyone writes for windows when on PC thus windows is better" argument
00:39	DreadKnight	kuzetsa, lmao; plenty of linux games, plus linux can also run windows games; that reputation is total FUD, it's based on people believing that and keeping at it
00:40	DreadKnight	thestringpuller, ikr
00:40	kuzetsa	thestringpuller: driver support too, not just the directx API / abstraction layer
00:40	thestringpuller	DreadKnight: it's damn near impossible to run some games on Linux that were for windows.
00:40	thestringpuller	that's why Steam OS won't drop until 2015 most likely.
00:40	DreadKnight	it's like buying games for nintendo console and wanting to play them on your ps3.
00:40	thestringpuller	Yea.
00:41	kuzetsa	thestringpuller: also, Steam OS is probably not going to support anonymous, random hardware as well as windows
00:41	benkay	DreadKnight: bitcoins will vanish mysteriously from all windows boxes.
00:41	DreadKnight	benkay, oh, I sure hope so and it sounds pretty likely to happen
00:41	thestringpuller	benkay: that's why you gotta use better TX scripts :P
00:41	thestringpuller	i encrypt all my paper wallets with triple GPG
00:41	benkay	quit trollin, thestringpuller
00:41	DreadKnight	thestringpuller, tell that to the average joe
00:41	benkay	you run gpg on windows
00:42	*	benkay throws his hands up
00:42	benkay	it's futile, i tell ya.
00:42	thestringpuller	When someone logs in as me on this channel
00:42	DreadKnight	how to I list gpg key id's btw? using shell/terminal
00:42	thestringpuller	and uses my gpg key to identify
00:42	thestringpuller	then I will call it futile!!!
00:42	benkay	you don't wait for your house to catch fire to admit that you built it out of paper and paper burns
00:42	benkay	you don't build a fucking house out of paper in the first place
00:42	DreadKnight	bacon
00:42	thestringpuller	exactly
00:43	kuzetsa	bacon is good encryption
00:43	thestringpuller	benkay just hates on OS'es
00:43	kuzetsa	I think I need to go encrypt a sandwich, brb
00:43	benkay	citation required
00:43	thestringpuller	I'm going to make a Windows tile for Bitcoin.
00:43	DreadKnight	he should, windows sux and all that it's good about it is related to Bill Gates stealing and getting ahead
00:43	benkay	i'm going to make a stab-you-through-the-internet for everything
00:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.01170001 = 0.585 BTC [+]
00:44	DreadKnight	anyway, no point in having an OS war
00:44	DreadKnight	enjoy your windows but stop complaining of constant buthurt
00:45	thestringpuller	LOL. I use all OS'es
00:45	thestringpuller	like colbert I am color blind
00:45	thestringpuller	i just pretend everyone is white and it's all good.
00:45	DreadKnight	bringing games as an argument is like you're deliberately trying to play the same few games that just aren't made with other operating systems in mind
00:47	DreadKnight	using linux for about 10 years yet I suffered a lot from being addicted to gaming
00:47	DreadKnight	and people keep saying "not enough games on linux"
00:47	thestringpuller	ergo game consoles
00:47	thestringpuller	PC's are for work
00:47	DreadKnight	been playing on my linux box
00:47	thestringpuller	game consoles are for games
00:48	DreadKnight	got ps3 and I don't even touch it for a long time now
00:48	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: yeah, mine is collecting dust too
00:48	thestringpuller	lol
00:49	DreadKnight	a second hand ps3 is probably 100 bucks now, at least around here
00:50	DreadKnight	probably with even a few original games as well
00:50	DreadKnight	not even worth selling my console
00:51	DreadKnight	ok seriously, how do I list gpg key id? xD
00:53	DreadKnight	nvm, finally
00:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24586 @ 0.00079775 = 19.6135 BTC [-] {2}
00:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5540 @ 0.00079672 = 4.4138 BTC [-]
00:54	benkay	gpg -K
00:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00079853 = 8.9435 BTC [+]
00:55	DreadKnight	I still don't get what I need
00:55	thestringpuller	;;ident DreadKnight
00:55	gribble	Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is identified as user 'DreadKnight', with GPG key id F6A23D326FDF1035, key fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None
00:55	thestringpuller	isn't that your key?
00:56	DreadKnight	alt tabbed back to website and it proceeded, so dunno wtf
00:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00079661 = 13.622 BTC [-] {2}
00:58	benkay	;;ticker
00:58	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 595.44, Best ask: 598.85, Bid-ask spread: 3.41000, Last trade: 596.43, 24 hour volume: 3771.32192653, 24 hour low: 590.0, 24 hour high: 602.83, 24 hour vwap: 595.20749223
00:58	benkay	why is it crashing?
01:02	thestringpuller	HAHAHAHA
01:02	thestringpuller	"crashing"
01:02	DreadKnight	dropped a few dollars
01:03	DreadKnight	in a few days or so
01:03	DreadKnight	seems totally normal
01:11	DreadKnight	;;google search APR
01:11	gribble	APR Executive Search, Inc. - Home Page: <http://www.aprexec.com/>; APR Executive Search, Inc. - Jobs: <http://www.aprexec.com/jobs.html>; APR Executive Search, Inc. - About Us: <http://www.aprexec.com/about.html>
01:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.16966666 = 1.018 BTC [-] {2}
01:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.15999999 = 1.6 BTC [-]
01:24	DreadKnight	great, just got banned in #bitcoin for sharing a link :\
01:24	benkay	what link?
01:25	DreadKnight	<DreadKnight> found a really nice website related to bitcoins, it's about investing or making btc loans, really cool and useful https://btcjam.com/?r=ffa8ab19-de7a-4bdd-83ca-81fcbe9c9a41&utm_source=referral_url&utm_campaign=user_referral
01:25	assbot	Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending - BTCJam
01:25	DreadKnight	there goes my excitement for sharing an interesting website
01:27	cazalla	interesting that by banning yoy, you won't learn why it's not an interesting website
01:28	Namworld	[18:23] <+mircea_popescu> people should be targeted in a dismissive manner. builds character.
01:28	benkay	DreadKnight: well, you're doing a referral thing
01:28	benkay	and it's a notorious scam
01:28	DreadKnight	:D
01:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00079654 = 1.2745 BTC [-]
01:30	Namworld	That, and it's always nice to know what people think. I rarely use any negative language toward anyone, but that's just me. But I'd be the last one to say people shouldn't say this or that to anyone.
01:31	DreadKnight	benkay, the website itself doesn't seem to be a scam, but yeah, there are scammers on it for sure
01:31	DreadKnight	btc channel is kinda dead anyway
01:38	DreadKnight	btcjam basically has the same amount of credibility as any crowd funding website in existence
01:39	DreadKnight	because it's about the people using the website
01:41	Namworld	What's wrong with windows? I hardly ever get any issue whatsoever. If it gave me any problem, I'd switch. Runs all I need, plus runs games easily. Not like anything critical is going on on that machine.
01:44	DreadKnight	Namworld, people constantly complaining about viruses but not switching, that is the problem
01:44	DreadKnight	so it's more of a user problem
01:44	DreadKnight	n
01:45	benkay	DreadKnight: if your platform pushes scams, you're a scammer.
01:45	benkay	see: glbse
01:45	DreadKnight	benkay, there are scammers and scams on every single platform
01:46	DreadKnight	good and evil are two sides of the same coin, you can't have just one
01:46	Namworld	If everyone was using Linux, bugs would show up regularly. Although perhaps they'd be fixed more quickly, Linux being open source.
01:47	DreadKnight	Namworld, things would be better, more devs and patches, more testing; on windows you can't really patch, just complain
01:48	Namworld	Well slightly better.
01:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1699999 = 0.51 BTC [+]
01:50	punkman	!up phish
01:50	DreadKnight	lol
01:51	phish	how can i register for wot?
01:51	DreadKnight	gpg key
01:51	phish	instructions?
01:51	punkman	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
01:51	assbot	wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
01:51	phish	ty
01:52	DreadKnight	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication
01:52	assbot	GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
01:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 197 @ 0.003 = 0.591 BTC [+] {2}
01:53	punkman	megalogs! you guys been busy
01:54	punkman	neighbor is blasting liturgical music
01:54	DreadKnight	fun.
01:54	punkman	I used to hate it but I guess there's worse thing to be woken up by
01:55	DreadKnight	I got woken by turkish music and manele yesterday, those make liturgical music sound like masterpieces in comparison
01:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00079863 = 17.2903 BTC [+] {2}
02:07	mthreat	!up jordandotdev
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02:25	benkay	<DreadKnight> benkay, there are scammers and scams on every single platform // show me a single scam on MPEx.
02:25	benkay	this bit lending thing actively goes out of its way to promote itself as a safe place to do lending. it goes above and beyond the call of duty to enable scammers.
02:27	DreadKnight	benkay, was expecting you would say that; MPEx is exception
02:29	DreadKnight	there are risks in lending, it's a gamble; just like stocks, so that's the whole point
02:31	DreadKnight	I bought a hdd from an online store, a romanian ebay clone once and I got scammed as it was old and had bad sectors, was it the website's fault? my fault more likely, but there was a reputation system so I should had been more careful, also the used got banned quickly
02:32	DreadKnight	(I bought the hdd from a 3rd party through the website, from the website owners)
02:38	benkay	"every" "exception" // get your shit together
02:38	benkay	do you really not understand why that link with a referral bit would get you banned in #bitcoin?
02:38	benkay	;;gettrust DreadKnight
02:38	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Trust relationship from user benkay to user DreadKnight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=DreadKnight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DreadKnight | Rated since: Sun Apr 7 16:22:29 2013
02:38	benkay	you don't *look* like you're new around here.
02:39	DreadKnight	benkay, they say "NO ADS" in topic, noticed too late; can easily be considered an ad
02:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45421 @ 0.00080236 = 36.444 BTC [+] {4}
02:40	DreadKnight	benkay, when I said online platforms I meant websites with lots of users that interact with the website; MPEx is not like facebook / fiverr / bitcointalk forum
02:41	DreadKnight	allows for very limited interaction
02:43	DreadKnight	plus MPEx has some fees to get into :) which not everybody has around to begin with
02:43	benkay	yeah, these are generally considered "capital barriers", and improve market quality markedly.
02:44	DreadKnight	and dealing with serious resellers only instead of average joe is really awesome
02:44	benkay	you don't borrow 50 grand from some rando online. you go to an actual bank.
02:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00080461 = 5.592 BTC [+]
02:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 177 @ 0.00425999 = 0.754 BTC [+]
03:06	DreadKnight	benkay, are you a stock holder on MPEx?
03:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13736 @ 0.00080355 = 11.0376 BTC [-]
03:10	benkay	i've made the odd trade yeah
03:13	DreadKnight	recall it from chat log, still not very familiar with the system
03:15	benkay	tread carefully
03:16	benkay	http://bubblear.com/an-interview-with-argentinas-most-reputable-madame/
03:16	assbot	An Interview With Argentina’s Most Reputable Madame | bubblear.com
03:16	DreadKnight	I'm more into getting a listing though and learning the related stuff
03:18	DreadKnight	argh, bubblebear.com available for 2900$, right...
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03:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 217 @ 0.00299999 = 0.651 BTC [-]
03:41	benkay	what's your timeframe on this listing, DreadKnight ?
03:42	DreadKnight	benkay, need to spend a few more days learning about socks / dividends / shares / listing so I can talk the talk properly and write some documentation as well (which is long time due)
03:43	benkay	shooting for the end of next week then?
03:43	DreadKnight	exactly
03:44	benkay	glhf
03:45	DreadKnight	:)
03:45	DreadKnight	yeah, fun
03:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00080461 = 0.6437 BTC [+]
03:52	benkay	Ran 67 tests containing 157 assertions.
03:52	benkay	0 failures, 0 errors.
03:52	benkay	sweet
03:52	benkay	./deploy.sh
03:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 149 @ 0.01170001 = 1.7433 BTC [+]
04:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 271 @ 0.003 = 0.813 BTC [+]
04:02	benkay	we have a kind of people that we call 'niggers'. they aren't black. their uniform is sports clothes and a baseball cap. they introduce themselves by asking "hey friend, got the time?" (seriously, it's almost always like that). if you stop to answer and take your phone out, you've lost. most of the time, you can just say a single "no", or ignore them, and continue walking. this has worked really well for me lately.
04:02	benkay	the thing about it is that most of them don't want to start a conflict, they just look for weak people
04:02	benkay	// ahaha the good ol' street hustle
04:03	benkay	my favorite in NYC was the obviously-too-old-to-be-in-hs-member-of-the-basketball-team "raising money for the team trip to...uh...DC" by selling large candy bars for 20 bucks
04:04	benkay	let the man have your hand for a handshake, you've "lost"
04:04	benkay	i always got out of it by smiling wryly, wiggling my eyebrows and complimenting them on their hustle
04:05	benkay	later i learned to counter with "good hustle, next sucker"
04:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1508 @ 0.00300001 = 4.524 BTC [+] {2}
04:07	DreadKnight	consider them as teachers :D
04:08	benkay	threats basically
04:10	dub	"fuck off" works for me
04:10	dub	while reaching behind you like you have weapon
04:11	DreadKnight	and pull out a hamster
04:14	DreadKnight	;;gettrust benkay
04:14	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user DreadKnight to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=DreadKnight&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
04:17	DreadKnight	benkay, how much you pay for your hosting?
04:17	DreadKnight	http://cascadianhacker.com/ Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
04:19	benkay	that site's actually offline.
04:19	benkay	good try, though.
04:21	DreadKnight	heh, time to get some sleep; laters
04:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 530 @ 0.003 = 1.59 BTC [-]
04:41	mircea_popescu	!up SubWolf
04:42	mircea_popescu	!up yrashk
04:42	mircea_popescu	!up dxrt
04:46	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight:
04:46	mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu, did you went to college yourself? it's a bit of a trend now apparently for people in IT set on becoming rich << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014#444346
04:46	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
04:52	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight: great, just got banned in #bitcoin for sharing a link :\ << because it's neither cool nor useful.
04:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00080461 = 12.8335 BTC [+]
04:57	mircea_popescu	ono benkay's bandnarrows run out!
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05:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24345 @ 0.00080438 = 19.5826 BTC [-]
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05:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29818 @ 0.00080355 = 23.9603 BTC [-]
06:03	jurov	http://www.feelguide.com/2013/04/29/75-years-in-th-making-harvard-just-released-its-epic-study-on-what-men-require-to-live-a-happy-life/
06:03	assbot	75 Years In The Making: Harvard Just Released Its Epic Study On What Men Need To Live A Happy Life | FEELguide | Film, Music, Design, Science, Style, Psychology, and More
06:04	jurov	^ not sure if srs
06:14	jurov	!up Enky
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06:31	chetty	https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8nhAlfIk3QIODdHYl95d1dWNE0/edit?pli=1
06:31	assbot	heuristics.pdf - Google Drive
06:31	chetty	II 5. France took Algeria, hoping for a country to eat
06:31	chetty	cassoulet and instead France is now eating couscous.
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07:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10938 @ 0.00080267 = 8.7796 BTC [-]
07:04	fluffypony	dat mpoe dump
07:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5162 @ 0.00080267 = 4.1434 BTC [-]
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07:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00080206 = 6.3363 BTC [-]
07:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26818 @ 0.00080206 = 21.5096 BTC [-]
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08:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.1612016 = 2.418 BTC [-] {3}
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08:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00080206 = 11.7903 BTC [-]
08:35	penguirker	New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/strange-negotiations/
08:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00080132 = 2.2036 BTC [-]
08:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00080091 = 26.5502 BTC [-] {2}
08:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00079838 = 33.4521 BTC [-]
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09:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00079819 = 22.8282 BTC [-] {3}
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09:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.0007992 = 1.2388 BTC [+]
09:27	ThickAsThieves	http://wefivekingsblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/here-are-my-official-comments-on-new.html
09:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 799 @ 0.00299998 = 2.397 BTC [-]
09:33	ThickAsThieves	"Mr. Elliott responded; they even met once IRL (in real life), for dinner, where she says now she recognized immediately a “creepy glint” in his eye but nonetheless continued to have a professional relationship with him for a short time because she was hoping for that poster."
09:33	ThickAsThieves	http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/07/23/christie-blatchford-the-twitter-trial-of-gregory-elliott-is-becoming-much-like-twitter-itself-shrill-and-uber-sensitive/
09:33	assbot	Christie Blatchford: The Twitter trial of Gregory Elliott is becoming much like Twitter itself shrill and uber-sensitive | National Post
09:36	chetty	"it very likely represents an overly broad infringement upon free speech. "// nice if a little understated
09:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0007992 = 9.6304 BTC [+]
09:42	ThickAsThieves	new product: Creepy Eye Glint Remover
09:42	ThickAsThieves	For charitable graphic designers everywhere!
09:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0007992 = 18.2218 BTC [+]
09:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 198 @ 0.00299998 = 0.594 BTC [-]
09:56	artifexd	chetty: I very much enjoyed that heuristics doc. Thank you.
09:56	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165153.msg8043930#msg8043930
09:56	assbot	exchange.bitparking.com
09:56	kakobrekla	heh.
09:58	*	kakobrekla noticed doublec on non btc irc chans a few weeks ago.
10:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00079666 = 32.0257 BTC [-] {2}
10:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 352 @ 0.00299998 = 1.056 BTC [-]
10:03	chetty	<artifexd> chetty: I very much enjoyed that heuristics doc. Thank you.// yeah I am reading a little at atime, much food for thought
10:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01505 = 0.8579 BTC [-]
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10:25	ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/25/goldman-turns-cautious-on-stocks-bonds-over-next-three-months/
10:25	assbot	Goldman Turns Cautious on Stocks, Bonds - MoneyBeat - WSJ
10:25	ThickAsThieves	"The call comes after Goldman’s U.S. equity strategy team last week went from bear to bull on U.S. stocks. "
10:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00079654 = 19.6347 BTC [-]
10:40	FabianB	"jurov:it needs another s.dice" <- isn't s.bbet like it, just not as popular, less dividend but less risk?
10:48	FabianB	jurov: or by s.dice you mean popular, high risk, high dividend, short lifetime?
10:49	HeySteve	gribble stale link bug seems resolved
11:00	thestringpuller	FabianB: BitBet can incur a loss if the house bets go sour.
11:04	FabianB	short term, yes
11:05	FabianB	thestringpuller: but a lot less likely owner disappearing
11:07	thestringpuller	I like the way you think FabianB
11:08	thestringpuller	Long term the bets will likely always have profit, versus short term which could incur loss.
11:10	FabianB	but of course that's only good for investors, not so good for brokers i guess (less hektik trading happening)
11:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 189 @ 0.00299935 = 0.5669 BTC [+] {2}
11:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12067 @ 0.00079983 = 9.6515 BTC [+]
11:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15787 @ 0.00080206 = 12.6621 BTC [+]
11:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23343 @ 0.00079802 = 18.6282 BTC [-] {2}
11:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1157 @ 0.00079644 = 0.9215 BTC [-]
11:39	bitcoinpete	;;later tell ThickAsThieves i went to school with the carbon copy of the singer in the strange negotations video. if my buddy plays his cards right, that'll be him in 5-10 years
11:39	gribble	The operation succeeded.
11:39	bitcoinpete	p.s. been watching russia television lately ?
11:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.16499999 = 2.145 BTC [+]
11:43	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: start with warriorforum.com, gfy.com and lessee... bodybuilding.com << creative
11:44	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: i propose a new highschool charter. it teaches kids nothing, but smacks them every time they use "going to" << and "get/got"
11:47	FabianB	$depth x.eur
11:47	empyex	FabianB: [X.EUR] Bids: 750 @ 0.00221889 500 @ 0.00200000 2000 @ 0.00120000 2000 @ 0.00100000
11:47	empyex	FabianB: [X.EUR] Asks: 750 @ 0.00222853
11:47	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: decimation most of humanity lives on less than ten bux a week. << one thing if you have fambly support, another if you're a gweilo, gringo, etc.
11:47	jurov	FabianB: 10BTC worth of s.dice would easily pay old coinbr monthly fee of 0.19 BTC from dividends
11:48	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people. << and yet taleb survives in nyc just fine
11:48	jurov	10BTC worth of s.bbet won't pay current monthly fee
11:49	bitcoinpete	benkay: can't be arsed with scamwatch << leave that to the professionals ;)
11:50	FabianB	;;ticker --currency eur --last
11:50	gribble	442.128588
11:52	FabianB	jurov: doesn't seem to be something out there that attracts masses and is not too risky since jd
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 651 @ 0.00299998 = 1.953 BTC [+] {2}
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.68944380 BTC to 12`589 shares, 13420 satoshi per share
12:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 15.04184304 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1308 satoshi per share
12:03	jurov	i thought DERPs might be attractive... but it hinges on people putting bitcoins in for indeterminate time,
12:03	jurov	while there are neither dividends nor MMing to ensure price follows NAV with some liquidity...
12:05	jurov	it will end up like S.NSA - if someone invested 100BTC he now cannot get out more than 13BTC without major loss
12:06	FabianB	s.nsa will pay dividends
12:07	jurov	eventually. and DERP won't do even that.
12:12	jurov	i can buy d.* or f.derp and then wait for months for positive or negative hype to cause someone to buy my shares at better price
12:12	jurov	which event may never come
12:13	jurov	or it will come but market won't react at all, as usual on mpex
12:13	FabianB	maybe it's more like bitbet bets (the derps)
12:14	jurov	bitbet has clear closing date
12:15	FabianB	set your bet and wait until it's resolved
12:15	jurov	and on bitbet, you can always support either side
12:15	FabianB	closing yes, but not resolution
12:16	jurov	here mp explicitly said "bids/asks availability is not guaranteed"
12:17	FabianB	isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no
12:20	jurov	let's compare http://bitbet.us/bet/778/bitstamp-out-of-business-in-2014/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc and D.BSTP directly
12:20	assbot	BitBet - Bitstamp out of business in 2014 :: 0.07 B (21%) on Yes, 0.26 B (79%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 46`695 (100`000 to 1)
12:21	jurov	on bitbet, if i place 10btc on Yes and advertise the bet, there is a chance someone props up the other side
12:21	jurov	and i can always add something to No side
12:22	jurov	and the closing date is clear, it is not expected to be any delays there
12:22	jurov	with D.BSTP/F.DERP, i can buy more than 10BTC
12:23	jurov	but closing date is unknown
12:24	jurov	and if situation gets interesting, mp can pull asks, leaving me unable to add something to other side
12:25	jurov	plus, like the s.nsa example, it may be impossible to get out
12:25	FabianB	so to use derps you need to be more confident about your bet than on bitbet?
12:27	jurov	i'm just saying it's much bigger risk than bitbet
12:27	FabianB	as for s.nsa or s.bbet i agree it's a little odd that it's not traded more actively, and why ppl mostly buy at IPO and not later
12:29	jurov	imo it's easily understandable - why would anyone buy stocks with completely unclear time horizon?
12:29	punkman	jurov, but it works if you are a Bitstamp believer
12:29	jurov	and risk having bitcoins frozen on mpex?
12:29	jurov	for years?
12:30	jurov	punkman: find me some bitstamp believers who don't hate mircea
12:30	punkman	jurov, that is a problem for all the D series, indeed
12:31	jurov	well, anoher factor
12:31	thestringpuller	!up Basquiat_
12:34	FabianB	jurov: but why buy into s.nsa at IPO then, time horizon was always unknown ?
12:34	jurov	believers did
12:34	jurov	others wait till nsa ships
12:35	thestringpuller	DERPS aren't resistant to volatility.
12:36	thestringpuller	if BTC market cap grows (in terms of fiat) DERPS stay the same, and the implicity valuation rises.
12:36	FabianB	another interesting point you say is: you think everyone on mpex is trading on the same side; no-one is on the other, sinc e the other side wouldn't use mpex
12:38	jurov	i hope not, but...
12:39	pigeons	no there is a lot of truth to that
12:40	thestringpuller	hence S.DICE bubble
12:40	thestringpuller	wasn't the S.DICE buyback lower than the implicit NAV?
12:41	pigeons	it was for more than it was trading for.
12:44	pigeons	i dont know how you are determining "implicit NAV" the value was based on dividends paid from earnings from bets, which greatly fluctuated
12:45	pigeons	the bankroll was not included as an asset for purposes of the share ownership. share ownership only gave you a claim to earnings
12:45	pigeons	which sometimes were losses
12:45	punkman	even if you don't get the believers to trade, you get them to pass up 2.5x discount and maybe consider that keeping their BTC might be better than giving them to random derps.
12:45	pigeons	that you had to make up the next month
12:47	fluffypony	so maybe the DERPs would have been better suited to have been run on Havelol by an independent intermediary
12:48	pigeons	i imagine they can still run passthroughs if they choose, like they did with DICE
12:49	pigeons	so that is a counterpoint, if there was sufficent demand, someone likely would run a passthrough
12:49	pigeons	they had really fat commissions on the S.DICE passthroughs
12:52	punkman	I'd expect insiders might be keen to buy DERPs when on the verge of IPO
12:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 213 @ 0.0038629 = 0.8228 BTC [-] {4}
12:54	pigeons	well, the ipo lets them cash out their crap legally, i dont think they would want to jeopardize that, they will make enough of a killing on an ipo
12:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 544 @ 0.00290749 = 1.5817 BTC [-] {9}
12:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 570 @ 0.00290234 = 1.6543 BTC [-] {6}
12:56	jurov	that's the point, i expect f.* to be impossible to liquidate, unless there is a leak or "leak"
12:57	pigeons	so far that seems accurate
13:00	Basquiat_	only way to properly value s.dice would be dcf
13:02	FabianB	$avg
13:02	empyex	FabianB: 596.96
13:02	FabianB	$t f.mpif
13:02	FabianB	$vwap f.mpif
13:05	FabianB	$t f.mpif
13:05	empyex	FabianB: F.MPIF 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896 30 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896
13:06	FabianB	since jd isn't a big part of f.mpif anymore pricing got more difficult and trading volume went down
13:07	BingoBoingo	!mpif
13:07	assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]
13:12	BingoBoingo	<benkay> http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/23/3463562/arizonas-execution-botched/ << Saw this. Shame the least expensive ingredient is the one people seem to be skipping.
13:12	assbot	Arizona's Execution Attempt Goes Horribly Wrong As Man Remains Alive Nearly 2 Hours After Injection | ThinkProgress
13:16	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: this was always a puzzle to me - why don't they simply shoot them ?
13:16	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: TO have the pretense of greater civilization
13:17	asciilifeform	and if poison is supposed to be 'humane' and this is a thing - there are poisons that knock victim out in seconds
13:18	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Right, the traditional three drug cocktail is two for comfort and once those set in a metric fuckton of KCl to rapidly induce electrical heart and brain death
13:19	asciilifeform	what happened to, e.g. cyanide ?
13:21	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Cynide abandons the pretense of greater civilization by being explicitly a poison. This pretense only holds if it is a medical looking even. Also... cyanide is probably onjectionable to the executioner as it presents a risk to them.
13:22	fluffypony	http://www.coindesk.com/46k-spent-mining-hardware-final-reckoning/
13:22	assbot	$46k Spent on Bitcoin Mining Hardware: The Final Reckoning
13:23	*	asciilifeform vaguely recalls reading a short story on alt.sex.somethingorother years ago, where in 'the dark future (TM)' the condemned are injected with an alien 'fireworm' that eats them alive for weeks at a time. but everyone is told that they were killed quickly and 'humanely' - and somehow this is supposed to be a greater punishment
13:24	mircea_popescu	good morning chatty bunch
13:30	kakobrekla	heroin od is also uncivilized ?
13:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00079644 = 17.681 BTC [-]
13:31	*	asciilifeform wonders if any american state has tried bumping off convicts with cocaine
13:31	ThickAsThieves	<+bitcoinpete> ;;later tell ThickAsThieves i went to school with the carbon copy of the singer in the strange negotations video. if my buddy plays his cards right, that'll be him in 5-10 years /// David Bazan is probably a top 3 artist for me
13:32	ThickAsThieves	;;later tell mike_c audio is done, just printing finals now
13:32	gribble	The operation succeeded.
13:33	BingoBoingo	<kakobrekla> heroin od is also uncivilized ? << Well, there's the part in there where asphyxiation tends to be the cause of death. Really an aesthetic problem.
13:33	bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: neat. i'll pass it along :D
13:34	HeySteve	hmm, how do they put animals to sleep? that mix seems to work well and is presumably humane
13:35	HeySteve	when the vet injected my poor old cat, she went quickly and quietly
13:35	BingoBoingo	<HeySteve> hmm, how do they put animals to sleep? that mix seems to work well and is presumably humane << Depends on the animal and its size.
13:35	asciilifeform	the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'
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13:36	asciilifeform	when usa was a techno-power, electric chair was king
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13:36	asciilifeform	banana republics, soviet world - shooting
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13:36	HeySteve	asciilifeform, did the Russians have firing squad?
13:36	HeySteve	ah right
13:37	asciilifeform	HeySteve: traditional civilian execution in russia involves a single bullet (firing squad is seen as 'military', not befitting a common criminal)
13:38	HeySteve	ok. I know they shoot people in China, not sure billing the families for the bullet is an urban legend
13:38	asciilifeform	china follows the russian tradition
13:39	HeySteve	"Stoning remains a legal form of judicial punishment in Iraq, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Northern Nigeria, Aceh in Indonesia, Brunei, and Pakistan;"
13:39	HeySteve	that's a bit rough by comparison to other methods
13:39	asciilifeform	so from this it follows that the current ceremony (injection with not-quite-poisons in an elaborate pseudo-medical setting) also symbolizes something about modern usa, re: national character.
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13:40	chetty	bring back hemlock
13:40	HeySteve	death by obamacare
13:42	asciilifeform	there are other interestingly perverse aspects of how prisoners are kept in usa prior to execution
13:42	asciilifeform	for instance, a squad of jailers watches over the condemned for weeks, months, years - to ensure that he doesn't suicide and cheat the executioner - and the court - of their spectacle
13:42	mircea_popescu	omfg i woke up with an article! and you people already wrote another here! I WILL NEVER CATCH UP NAO
13:42	asciilifeform	lol
13:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1023 @ 0.00290143 = 2.9682 BTC [-] {4}
13:43	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> banana republics, soviet world - shooting << that's just nazi wannabe-ism.
13:43	mircea_popescu	<HeySteve> ok. I know they shoot people in China << notrly, they have a van arrangement.
13:44	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what aspect of 20th c.-style government isn't.
13:44	asciilifeform	china << they're experimenting with poison, from purely pragmatic considerations (can sell organs)
13:45	mircea_popescu	!up anthor
13:47	kakobrekla	!up nagzter
13:47	kakobrekla	!up Basquiat_
13:48	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i just tried to put stuff in bash and it said 37 is not correct captcha
13:48	mircea_popescu	what am i doing wrong.
13:48	mircea_popescu	i tried 35 too just to be sure.
13:49	kakobrekla	math expired.
13:52	nagzter	kakobrekla: thanks!
13:53	mircea_popescu	!s nagzter
13:53	assbot	7 results for 'nagzter' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nagzter
13:53	nagzter	?
13:53	mircea_popescu	trying to recall who you were.
13:53	nagzter	I'm not very chatty
13:53	nagzter	also sometimes being a girl in IRC...
13:54	nagzter	means I skip around
13:54	mircea_popescu	what, you're a girl too ?
13:54	nagzter	YES!
13:54	mircea_popescu	welcome lol.
13:54	nagzter	I always assumed the "nag" part gave it away
13:54	mircea_popescu	you could just be jewish.
13:54	nagzter	well you know how it goes... sometimes a channel swerves to "lol boobs"
13:54	nagzter	funny I am heritage wise, my grandfather was 100% Russian Jew
13:54	chetty	the womins is taking over, hurrah
13:54	mircea_popescu	nagzter that's well taken care of here.
13:55	nagzter	chetty: Yay!
13:55	mircea_popescu	chetty yeah check that out, the only asshole channel in bitcoin is where all the women are. clearly antontwerpulous is right, everyone else needs to put more trigger warnings and be careful what they say.
13:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 263 @ 0.0029 = 0.7627 BTC [-] {2}
13:57	chetty	absolutely, no misogynists here pls :)
13:57	nagzter	THIS
13:57	nagzter	do all the channels have a !s command?
13:58	mircea_popescu	nagzter nah.
13:58	nagzter	that's slick
13:59	chetty	the chan of many talents
13:59	nagzter	Cool.
14:00	nagzter	So I'm not a coder or a miner.
14:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00079627 = 16.0847 BTC [-] {2}
14:00	nagzter	I kind of collect a bunch of coins and do a little trading
14:00	nagzter	I'm an artist and designer and my husband made a coin
14:00	nagzter	Now you know what most channels I chat in know ;)
14:02	mircea_popescu	cool.
14:02	mircea_popescu	nagzter http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.
14:02	assbot	I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:03	HeySteve	oh nagzter, I met you in Ancient Beast channel
14:03	mircea_popescu	what coin did your husband make ?
14:03	nagzter	Yes!
14:03	nagzter	I haven't played yet (I do loved turn based games!)
14:04	nagzter	mircea_popescu: RobotSexNickels!
14:04	nagzter	Totally SFW
14:04	nagzter	;)
14:04	mircea_popescu	uh
14:04	mircea_popescu	is this like a joke coin ?
14:04	nagzter	it's new!
14:04	mircea_popescu	lmao
14:04	nagzter	It's a little silly, but we're on a couple of exchanges
14:04	nagzter	he's working on a "real" coin and needed the practice
14:05	nagzter	the graphics are slick if I do say so myself!
14:05	mircea_popescu	the official joke coin of b-a is, ofcourse, altcoin.
14:05	nagzter	haha
14:05	BingoBoingo	%t
14:05	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 270 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 12k High: 242 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
14:05	BingoBoingo	%ob
14:06	atcbot	30k@278 31k@275 955@270 | 45k@210 50k@203 100k@202
14:06	nagzter	11:02 mircea_popescu: nagzter http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.
14:06	assbot	I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:06	BingoBoingo	%d
14:06	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 575848.03 in 900 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -16.20
14:06	nagzter	lol
14:06	*	DreadKnight waves
14:06	nagzter	hey
14:06	mircea_popescu	!up the20year1
14:06	the20year1	Joys
14:07	the20year1	but this whole gpg thing is still frusterating me
14:07	mircea_popescu	from what i gather, your problem was that you were using an old, cached and therefore expred otp ?
14:07	the20year1	Well, it alongwith bitcointalk
14:07	mircea_popescu	use curl. it doesn't cache stupidly.
14:07	DreadKnight	nagzter, would be funny if the joke coin would take off and not the "real" one, twitter scenario
14:07	the20year1	Well, that was the original problem, nanotube helped me get past that , the problem now lies with /query (pm) to assbot to self-up
14:07	nagzter	DreadKnight: it could happen I suppose
14:07	nagzter	People do seem to like the silly name
14:08	mircea_popescu	uh
14:08	nagzter	(and the slick graphics ahem)
14:08	mircea_popescu	nagzter what, you made them ?
14:08	nagzter	That's what I do!
14:08	DreadKnight	in dogecoin channel people got hyped about "bacoin" recently and wanted to make it only to find out someone tried that almost an year ago xD
14:08	nagzter	I did custom icons for the wallets and designed the site
14:08	mircea_popescu	the20year1 that's so bizarre tho, you must be doing something out there. it literally is just pm assbot.
14:08	mircea_popescu	can you get it to respond to any other command in pm ?
14:08	nagzter	such a great name, bacoin
14:09	DreadKnight	seems that the original guy who tried failed
14:09	the20year1	what assbot commands are there?
14:09	the20year1	i can do it with gribble justfine
14:09	nagzter	http://robotsexnickels.com/ mircea_popescu
14:09	assbot	Robot Sex Nickels
14:09	nagzter	assbot: is smart!
14:10	mircea_popescu	the20year1 try !s hey
14:10	DreadKnight	nagzter, definitely go for it with your husband for the other coin if you haven't picked a name xD
14:10	nagzter	lol
14:10	mircea_popescu	Amazing Assbot
14:10	the20year1	assbot: 1900 results for 'hey' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hey
14:10	assbot	1900 results for 'hey' - #bitcoin-assets search
14:10	the20year1	that's what I returned from assbot
14:10	mircea_popescu	cool so then do !up once you're id'd with gribble
14:10	DreadKnight	it's fun how assb0t sometimes flames people
14:11	HeySteve	the20year1, had the same problem yesterday
14:11	the20year1	and that's where I was getting that error (the you must be voiced to do this command) or whatever
14:11	mircea_popescu	nagzter not bad lookin'.
14:11	nagzter	I haven't seen that yet!
14:11	nagzter	thanks mircea_popescu
14:11	DreadKnight	funny*
14:11	mircea_popescu	the20year1 odd. well mebbe kakobrekla finds something.
14:11	nagzter	The robot is a blender model, but the rest is mine
14:11	HeySteve	hey DreadKnight. I had a thought about the game, would giving the creatures and "summoner" a single manapool work?
14:12	the20year1	HeySteve: how did you fix it?
14:13	HeySteve	the20year1 I didn't, it just went away today. yesterday I could auth with alt gribble. didn't try restarting browser to wipe any saved data tho
14:13	the20year1	alright, i guess i'll try it today
14:13	the20year1	because I tried it via pigin IRC and IRCCloud and neither worked
14:13	the20year1	now my next question is once you !up yourself, is it only a 30m voice?
14:15	DreadKnight	HeySteve, well, no mana as there is no magic; there's plasma to protect Dark Priest (summoner) and also make units (so more / better units = less protection, it's a tradeoff); each unit has it's own energy stat, abilities require energy, there's also meditation to replenish that, but if an unit gets damaged in a round above a treshold (more than endurance stat), then the unit gets no regen it's next turn (regrowth for health and m
14:15	DreadKnight	editation for energy)
14:15	kakobrekla	bash flushed
14:15	the20year1	what game is this?
14:15	nagzter	Ancient Beast!
14:16	DreadKnight	:D
14:16	kakobrekla	<the20year1> now my next question is once you !up yourself, is it only a 30m voice? < when you do it over pm, no, given you are authed.
14:16	kakobrekla	nagzter get into the wot?
14:17	DreadKnight	didn't seemed time limited to me hmm
14:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00079829 = 57.1176 BTC [+] {3}
14:18	fluffypony	;;gettrust assbot DreadKnight
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14:18	fluffypony	you're in assbot's L2 trust, DreadKnight
14:18	fluffypony	so there's no time limit for you
14:18	DreadKnight	HeySteve, hopefully that makes sense to you; will show you wip document design next week, hopefully you'll have more questions about things not clear enough
14:19	HeySteve	DreadKnight, wasn't aware of that tradeoff, makes sense. that's the kind of mechanic I was suggesting, like you could use a lot of powerful unit abilities or summon a lot of creatures, but not both as a strategy
14:19	HeySteve	yeah I didn't get that from testing it
14:19	chetty	V 44. The alpha person at a gathering of "high status"
14:19	chetty	persons is often, detectably, the waiter.(Taleb)
14:19	mircea_popescu	the20year1 tried via webirc ?
14:19	mircea_popescu	and no, it's permanent.
14:20	DreadKnight	HeySteve, there's setting for limiting number of units; they're pretty big compared to HoMM games anyway; combat field gets more crowded easier, especially in 2vs2
14:20	mircea_popescu	chetty oh that guy... he's so dreamy...
14:20	DreadKnight	HeySteve, keep in mind higher level units cost way more, there's a cost formula
14:20	the20year1	webirc will be the next one i try
14:21	kakobrekla	dont change the car when it only needs gas.
14:25	DreadKnight	HeySteve, so basically you have the whole moba type of game team under your own management instead of having to rely on random idiots and hope they're doing the right thing;
14:25	DreadKnight	HeySteve, squishy units that either do a lot of damage or are meant for support and really tanky units that are meant to protect others and take damage
14:28	asciilifeform	'For social mobility to work, it needs to be a two-way highway, with a large number of pre-rich and an almost as large one of post-rich.' -- from the taleb link
14:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00080251 = 14.4051 BTC [+] {4}
14:28	mircea_popescu	nah, why not make everyone rich
14:28	asciilifeform	lol
14:29	DreadKnight	some people would get poor in no time anyway, as they originally were
14:30	DreadKnight	well, not "some", but most
14:31	HeySteve	rich people becoming poor? socialism!
14:31	DreadKnight	"rich" seems to be more of a state of mind; kinda like you're saying on your blog "pay up or this could wither and die" on your blog mircea_popescu, even though that's not the case, but I like the lesson you're teaching
14:31	asciilifeform	'Mathematicians think in symbols, physicists in objects, philosophers in concepts, geometers in images, jurists in constructs, logicians in operators, writers in impressions, and idiots in words.'
14:32	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight i was being sarcastique
14:32	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, yeah, got that :)
14:33	mircea_popescu	and physicists don't think in "objects", what an ignorant thing to say
14:33	mircea_popescu	physicists think in wavefunctions.
14:33	DreadKnight	haha
14:34	DreadKnight	energy, intensity, frequency, amplitude
14:34	*	asciilifeform physicists think in wavefunctions << summons zombie of hugh everett
14:34	mircea_popescu	no but srsly, "objects" ? what is this, naive physicalism cca 1880 ?
14:34	DreadKnight	most physicists actually don't believe in objects and matter, it's all energy or simply nothing
14:34	mircea_popescu	^
14:35	DreadKnight	so matter is like frozen energy
14:35	asciilifeform	DreadKnight, mircea_popescu: the physics that yields interesting machinery, vs. 20th.c navel gazing, was done by folks who 'thought in objects' more often than not.
14:36	mircea_popescu	and i'll venture to say that pretty much all the good philosophers similarly don't think in "concepts", whatever that is, but in a sort of equivalent of the wavefununction, except it has two major irreducible statements. one's systematic the other historical.
14:36	mircea_popescu	but any philosopher worth his salt will interact not with a "concept" but with either the graph of that concept's history in the mind of man,
14:36	mircea_popescu	or else with the graph of that concept and its relations.
14:37	DreadKnight	otherwise he'll have a hard time explaining things to people
14:37	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i disagree. see the short cathode tv.
14:37	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: minkowski, weyl. 'objects', pre-20th c.
14:38	mircea_popescu	the SHORT cathode. you know, the one the japs built.
14:38	asciilifeform	yes, with sr
14:39	mircea_popescu	i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D
14:39	mircea_popescu	so let's take the baby home : real programmers think in terms of functions and macros,
14:39	mircea_popescu	not in terms of variables and values.
14:40	*	asciilifeform sees 20th c. physicists as largely imposters, who 'the good parts - not original, the original parts - not good'
14:40	mircea_popescu	(i mean lisp-functions, not int blabla ()-functions)
14:40	DreadKnight	Newton's falling apple was likely just a nice story to make people visualize things :P
14:40	*	asciilifeform not a cultist of the engineer, but of folks like j.c. maxwell, who knew exactly how to build a radio - and didn't.
14:40	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know these impostors knew exactly how to build a cern and did.
14:41	asciilifeform	e.g, herr einstein: a junkyard dog, who took credit for the genuinely interesting late 19th. c. work
14:41	asciilifeform	cern - navel gazing
14:41	mircea_popescu	hm.
14:41	mircea_popescu	you dispute it's an actual piece of machinery ?
14:41	asciilifeform	it's a machine, sure
14:42	mircea_popescu	so then ? you dispute it actually works as described ?
14:42	asciilifeform	but makes 'manned space' look useful
14:42	mircea_popescu	use is not really a consideration here.
14:42	mircea_popescu	bitcoin is, in this exact sense, useless.
14:43	asciilifeform	cern, other 'strong force' shenanigans are a good example of 'chinese' scholastiwank. the people involved - entirely uninterested in systematization of knowledge, much less practical use
14:43	asciilifeform	stamp collectors.
14:43	mircea_popescu	nobody's arguing there's a large number of would-be followers in any race, who to the acute observer look more like they're going through the motions
14:43	mircea_popescu	rather than actually doing the winning.
14:43	asciilifeform	good litmus test - anyone involved with 'strings'
14:43	DreadKnight	bitcoin is theoretically an energy allowing to polymorph sheeps into cars and so on, to facilitate exchanges and needs
14:44	mircea_popescu	obviously a large number of people who like to identify as physicists are in the situation of people who like to identify as rockstars.
14:44	asciilifeform	the string folks explicitly renounced testability of hypothesis! if that isn't an open declaration of charlatanry, what is ?
14:44	mircea_popescu	how is this related ?
14:45	asciilifeform	notice how every piece of actual 'practical' machinery we have that makes use of 'modern' physics, the physics in question is 1940s or prior ?
14:45	mircea_popescu	you ever took a rmi ?
14:45	asciilifeform	this is not, as the particle smashers tell us, an accident.
14:45	mircea_popescu	mri*
14:45	asciilifeform	nmr -> 1930s
14:45	mircea_popescu	eh get out.
14:46	asciilifeform	plus 1980s computer.
14:46	asciilifeform	seriously
14:46	asciilifeform	isodor rabi.
14:46	mircea_popescu	well if you go at it that way then everything's ancient greek atomism.
14:47	mircea_popescu	for that matter, 1940s is 20th century anyway, and sure, engineers take 50 years or so to apply fundamental physics
14:47	asciilifeform	nope. the latter - navel gazing. no testability given their tech.
14:47	mircea_popescu	nevertheless, 1940 is not pre-qm.
14:47	DreadKnight	theoretical physics might seem to have no application atm, but that's the whole point, debating and eventually (hopefully) allowing to grasp more complex concepts and allow for further technological improvements, like being able to go through worm holes and such
14:47	midnightmagic	the physics is not 1940s or prior. i have a friend whose PhD was literally pushing the boundaries of particle physics using results obtained from LHC
14:48	mircea_popescu	midnightmagic im kinda saving (radio)astronomy here in a compartment, for later.
14:48	midnightmagic	the physics is new, even if it's a negative result
14:48	asciilifeform	DreadKnight, midnightmagic: not insisting that the particle hijinx have no possible applications, in a far future. just that these applications will require a resurrection of the caliber of men we had 1800-1900.
14:48	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so you mean einstein ?
14:48	midnightmagic	"no new more fundamental particles as of X TeV in the LHC"
14:48	mircea_popescu	or who exactly, fermi ? pauli ? the germanz ?
14:49	DreadKnight	asciilifeform, things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time
14:49	DreadKnight	einstein might have been fake, his wife might have been the smart one
14:49	asciilifeform	faraday, maxwell, lorentz, etc
14:49	mircea_popescu	you're such an old west fetishist :D
14:49	DreadKnight	asciilifeform, just like bitcoin mining is increasing in difficulty
14:49	midnightmagic	IMO, in a brand-new field, those singular talents can exist. Once the primary breakthroughs are finished, it requires teams and long-term hard work to push it forward. IMHO anyway. me != physicist.
14:49	asciilifeform	DreadKnight: things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time << the motto of the 20th c. intellectual impostor class, in a nutshell.
14:50	DreadKnight	midnightmagic, exactly
14:50	asciilifeform	'complexity is irreducible now, the only possible kind of man is now the stamp collector'
14:50	asciilifeform	'encyclopaedists can no longer exist'
14:50	mircea_popescu	i'm one, what.
14:50	midnightmagic	not to say I disagree with anything you guys are saying fundamentally of course
14:50	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: so you know it's a lie.
14:50	DreadKnight	asciilifeform, steven hawkings might be smart, but he's stuck in a wheel chair, so not much for him to do besides brainstorm :P
14:51	asciilifeform	DreadKnight: his intellectual milieu is more crippling than his paralysis
14:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what i don't know is that ~everyone~ is pushing it.
14:51	mircea_popescu	you don't judge physics by what highschool teachers say about it.
14:51	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not everyone. just the grant-eaters.
14:51	mircea_popescu	who cares about them ?
14:51	mircea_popescu	i thot we were discussing teh science not teh politics.
14:51	asciilifeform	100 yrs from now - no one. but they're the ones who get to build machines.
14:52	mircea_popescu	wait, your theory is that the 5-6bn spent to build the lhc could have been better employed building what alternative item ?
14:52	asciilifeform	false dichotomy. maxwell needed no $b hardware.
14:52	mircea_popescu	so then who cares they get to build machines lol.
14:53	mircea_popescu	let em.
14:53	DreadKnight	things are getting exponentially harder, it's like the needle in the haystack
14:53	mircea_popescu	who knows, maybe a golden chicken falls out of it.
14:53	asciilifeform	the harm of the mega-machines is not the wasted money, but that nearly every student of physics now believes that the field is inescapably 'about' the machines
14:53	asciilifeform	see mircea_popescu's skyscraper example.
14:54	DreadKnight	compare making a wagon with space rockets. NASA is dealing with a lot of math, people and money
14:54	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform listen, what 99% of a class believes about the field is uninteresting by the definition of the 99%.
14:54	mircea_popescu	99% of students of physics in 1905 believed it's a resolved problem, too.
14:55	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight nasa just got cut off the pipe, actually.
14:55	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, I'm glad actually, a NPO like mars one does more interesting stuff
14:57	*	asciilifeform was acquainted with one such '1%' - al schwartz. who has an eminently testable hypothesis re: parity violation, and spent a decade (& counting) trying to score 2 weeks on an eotvos rotor balance. while the charlatans build their $b colliders.
14:58	*	asciilifeform recently tried to check on herr schwartz - he isn't answering. possibly he went 'full perelman' mode.
14:58	DreadKnight	a lot of inventions are promoted thanks to their monetization potential, so if there's demand and it sells, it's a good invention
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31405 @ 0.00080243 = 25.2003 BTC [-] {2}
14:59	DreadKnight	it's all business and some luck; a lot of cool stuff is kept hidden just because it's not for the average joe
15:00	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ah i recall that.
15:00	DreadKnight	even the PC was close to being dismissed as crap because of lack of vision from the business man taking a look at it
15:01	asciilifeform	herr adelberger (http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash) << nomination for Flondor List (tm)
15:02	mircea_popescu	how much do two weeks on such a rotor even cost ?
15:03	asciilifeform	(short version: adelberger tested all variants of crud, including left- and right-handed machine screws (!) and gleefully pronounced - no parity violation. refused under any pretext to test schwartz and petitjean's 'chiralane' molecule.)
15:05	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
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15:05	asciilifeform	adelberger balked. chicoms agreed!
15:05	mircea_popescu	so what happened ?
15:05	asciilifeform	a few months later, they stopped answering phone. the postdocs who handled the run - desaparecido.
15:05	mircea_popescu	this sounds like a great mystery.
15:05	asciilifeform	al's hypothesis - the matter entered the jurisdiction of PLA.
15:06	mircea_popescu	Pacific Locomotive Association ?
15:06	asciilifeform	people's liberation army.
15:06	mircea_popescu	Phone Losers of America ? playboy oh.
15:06	asciilifeform	loll
15:06	mircea_popescu	was this in ireland ?
15:06	asciilifeform	china
15:07	asciilifeform	中国人民解放军
15:07	decimation	if we don't have a maxwell today, where are our faradays and hertzs and lorentzs and heavisides?
15:07	penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/discorsi-da-letto/
15:07	mircea_popescu	sounds reasonable. any aspiring writers wanna make this into an optionable script ? :D
15:08	mircea_popescu	decimation you know they're not our.
15:08	mircea_popescu	and they're probably being reasonable men and women, doing finance and real estate.
15:09	asciilifeform	obligatory:
15:09	asciilifeform	!s greenspun
15:09	assbot	14 results for 'greenspun' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=greenspun
15:09	decimation	I guess I'm using "our" for "our time", in as much as anyone can 'own' an epoch
15:09	mircea_popescu	kuzetsa if you're still looking btw, there's http://mpex.ws/faq.html#11
15:11	DreadKnight	all them poor women, not having clothes xD
15:12	mircea_popescu	builds character.
15:12	asciilifeform	today we learned that mircea_popescu still owns an electron-smashing tv set...
15:12	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i was crashing.
15:12	asciilifeform	aha
15:12	mircea_popescu	yest took girl to be nude among hundreds of people for the first time in her life,
15:12	mircea_popescu	and also canings.
15:15	decimation	I miss my trinitron with its shadow-bars; the LCDs that replaced it just don't have the same dynamic range
15:16	mircea_popescu	decimation in fairness, cathode was a well mature tech. lcd is adolescent.
15:16	DreadKnight	vinyl records vs digital format all over again
15:16	mircea_popescu	it'll prolly be pretty damned good by 2040
15:16	decimation	also I wonder when someone decided that displays cannot come in 4:3 aspect ratio anymore
15:16	*	asciilifeform has been using this: http://imgur.com/9NX7eaX as a tv for some years. works great.
15:16	assbot	tv - Imgur
15:16	decimation	things are getting better comrades
15:16	mircea_popescu	cause to make it look like the cinema screen
15:17	DreadKnight	decimation, did a lot of research on aspect ratios, seem a lot of older people really miss 4:3
15:17	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform da fuck did you do, behead that guy from startrek ?
15:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00080361 = 11.7729 BTC [+] {2}
15:17	asciilifeform	lol
15:17	asciilifeform	it's a 'dlp' gizmo
15:17	asciilifeform	cheap & angry.
15:18	asciilifeform	vga/dvi in, picture out.
15:18	benkay	cooked up a decent one last night: "shartup"
15:18	decimation	do you use a screen on the wall or painted white wall?
15:18	asciilifeform	decimation: rollup screen.
15:18	asciilifeform	2 metre diagonal.
15:18	mircea_popescu	!s shartup
15:18	assbot	0 results for 'shartup' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shartup
15:19	mircea_popescu	hm i coulda sworn i saw it b4
15:19	decimation	on an old-school tripod stand?
15:19	benkay	!s fartup
15:19	assbot	12 results for 'fartup' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fartup
15:19	asciilifeform	hangs from ceiling
15:19	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, which guy from star trek, the borg? xD
15:19	benkay	;;ud shart
15:19	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shart | shart. a small, unintended defecation that occurs when one relaxes the anal sphincter to fart (blend of "shit" and "fart"). I sharted at the party last night and
15:19	DreadKnight	shirt
15:19	mircea_popescu	chetty: II 5. France took Algeria, hoping for a country to eat cassoulet and instead France is now eating couscous. << this is what happens when small penis messes with big penis.
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15:19	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight that engineer guy.
15:20	mircea_popescu	benkay ud helpfully neglects to mention it's a gay problem.
15:20	benkay	heh
15:20	mircea_popescu	hetero scum don't gain the ability to relax their bunghole quite to the degree.
15:20	benkay	not even the reamed girls?
15:21	mircea_popescu	i was thinking of people, not women.
15:21	benkay	hue
15:21	mircea_popescu	ahhh epic.
15:21	asciilifeform	decimation: if you buy a gizmo like this, get the roll screen, walls aren't nearly as reflective.
15:21	benkay	most dick-havers aren't people to be fair
15:21	mircea_popescu	benkay i am a calophile. that's one who takes great enjoyment in callousness.
15:22	mircea_popescu	(actually it's one who enjoys words formally, but nevertheless)
15:22	decimation	asciilifeform yeah I think that's the most economic way to get a big screen
15:22	benkay	calluses are gross.
15:22	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, oh, La Forge, the black guy with visor
15:22	asciilifeform	decimation: total cost of all the widgets ~= 1k usd, and that was ages ago
15:22	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight i didn't notice his skin tone.
15:22	mircea_popescu	buncha racists in this chan.
15:23	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, haha, "afro american" or something; star trek maintained a bit of diversity to seem non racist
15:23	DreadKnight	forgot the term, native african? hmm
15:23	mircea_popescu	and even gave bridge bunnies actual roles.
15:23	DreadKnight	yes :3
15:24	DreadKnight	haven't seen the star trek with female captain yet though
15:24	mircea_popescu	"Here Are My Official Comments on the" dude who the fuck is this guy lol. someone made counterfeit comments on his behalf ?
15:24	mircea_popescu	"I am an attorney and Certified Public Accountant with a Master's Degree in Accounting. "
15:24	mircea_popescu	derp.
15:25	mircea_popescu	READ MY BOOK: "REDEEMING CHRIST" I've decided to serialize and publish on this blog a book that I've been working on for some time
15:25	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves where do you find them!
15:25	asciilifeform	redeeming christ << like those aluminum cans one can redeem at recycler plant for five cents ?
15:25	DreadKnight	I was thinking about it as well xD
15:26	benkay	* asciilifeform wonders if any american state has tried bumping off convicts with cocaine // i appreciated this pun
15:26	fluffypony	that's the Sean King thing? I quite enjoyed his letter, though, I thought he put things in a way that was nicely digestible to the non-technical types
15:26	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well, he's trying to be clever, in the manner of an accountant
15:26	mircea_popescu	you see, the direct is "christ the redeemer", so wuldn't it be all edgy and creative to reverse it ?
15:26	DreadKnight	drugs are the easiest to get in prisons, most can OD there anytime at will
15:27	mircea_popescu	fluffypony the problem with me is that my reader is configured to quickly drop. which will probably warrant the neverending hatred of the asciilifeforms of the future on account of me having skipped who knows what valuable item of some valuable fellow on the grounds that that fellow wasn't either mentally organised enough for my taste or maybe not versed in teh variety speak or who knows.
15:27	mircea_popescu	i try to compensate by being a quite public asshole about it, tho. should work.
15:27	fluffypony	lol
15:28	mircea_popescu	but anyway : i can't get to the letter, because i can't read the "official oppinions" of accountants who wrote a book called redeeming christ.
15:28	mircea_popescu	it's just me.
15:28	DreadKnight	every time I hear that book title it really craps me up :D
15:29	mircea_popescu	you mean cracks ?
15:29	DreadKnight	cracks* damn
15:29	mircea_popescu	don't get the cocaine and the dumps all bumped up together now
15:29	mircea_popescu	benkay ^ for your consideration.
15:29	DreadKnight	I'm starting to not get mad about religious people anymore and actually get a laugh or two, finally
15:29	mircea_popescu	since no more gf ?
15:31	benkay	if your coke has lumps either someone on you has dumped or you yourself is trying to bump
15:31	mircea_popescu	http://devilsadvocate.biz/strange-negotiations/ << im starting to like tat's blogging.
15:31	assbot	Strange Negotiations
15:31	mircea_popescu	benkay that sounded like the sweet singer of michigan if she were emo and trying to fit in with the hip crowd.
15:32	mircea_popescu	( http://trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/ in case anyone dun know j.a. moore)
15:32	assbot	Literara este grea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1852 @ 0.00285026 = 5.2787 BTC [-] {6}
15:36	benkay	<DreadKnight> in dogecoin channel people got hyped about "bacoin" recently and wanted to make it only to find out someone tried that almost an year ago xD
15:36	benkay	// bsas? bitcoin-assets?
15:37	punkman	bacon?
15:37	benkay	oh god
15:37	mircea_popescu	:D
15:37	assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/349M1MJ.txt )
15:37	mircea_popescu	!b 5
15:38	benkay	if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them
15:38	asciilifeform	bsas? bovine serum albumens ?
15:38	mircea_popescu	personally, i blame stand-up "comedians"
15:38	mircea_popescu	they keep doing this thing.
15:38	benkay	comedy is dead in america.
15:38	mircea_popescu	that's how bacon got to be the cancerous forced meme it is.
15:39	benkay	well it is covered in activated carbon
15:39	mircea_popescu	(amusingly, maddox was harping about beef jerky before teh mainstream picked it up as bacon)
15:41	DreadKnight	benkay, are you a vegetarian?
15:41	punkman	jerky is so much better than bacon
15:42	punkman	fluffypony: next time you come to eu, smuggle some bilton for me
15:42	punkman	*biltong
15:42	benkay	<mircea_popescu> i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D // this needs introduction?
15:42	benkay	!s benkay steak
15:42	assbot	9 results for 'benkay steak' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=benkay+steak
15:42	benkay	DreadKnight: don't make me google for you too
15:42	DreadKnight	benkay, gotcha
15:43	mircea_popescu	benkay course.
15:43	fluffypony	punkman: I can try, the sniffer dogs are pretty hardcore with that
15:43	punkman	fluffypony: where?
15:43	mircea_popescu	you recall, i'm the gadfly. i said the boboo about coders too, like finance people, heresies pile one.
15:43	asciilifeform	re: dogs: anyone remember baldaev?
15:43	HeySteve	hmm biltong for bitcoin, could be the next silk road
15:43	fluffypony	punkman: at the airport on the way out
15:43	asciilifeform	!s baldaev
15:43	assbot	3 results for 'baldaev' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=baldaev
15:44	benkay	well hey finance god tier eh?
15:44	mircea_popescu	fluffypony they don't let you take it OUT ?!
15:44	asciilifeform	turns out his profession was - police dog trainer & handler.
15:44	DreadKnight	!up HeySteve
15:44	punkman	mircea_popescu: yeah wat
15:44	asciilifeform	he wrote an interesting autobio (afaik, never translated) about his dog work
15:44	HeySteve	thx DreadKnight but that's working now
15:44	asciilifeform	turns out, he writes, one of the most reliable ways to get bitten by such an animal is to give it the impression of attempting to feed it
15:44	DreadKnight	HeySteve, noticed your comment late
15:45	benkay	mircea_popescu: i only know the modern scientists, whose sole job is to do worthless "science" on government-allocated capital. which is crimes all over on so many levels.
15:45	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: correct - you can't take "raw" meat out the country
15:45	asciilifeform	a police dog (at least, ones trained in the russian tradition) will attack if fed by a stranger.
15:45	punkman	fluffypony: can you mail it?
15:45	fluffypony	punkman: no, but there are some export-approved biltong shops
15:45	fluffypony	san giorgios and takis
15:47	punkman	heh http://www.sangiorgios.co.za/images/logoblack1.jpg
15:47	fluffypony	lol
15:48	mircea_popescu	benkay lettuce not confuse the fakers for the job they're faking.
15:48	DreadKnight	that reminds me of shops around saying they got natural ice-cream for sale.
15:48	benkay	all i know is fakery!
15:48	mircea_popescu	just because a buncha muricans pretend to be scientists shouldn't sour one on science,
15:48	mircea_popescu	just like their pretend poets shouldn't sour one on poetry.
15:48	benkay	point me to some science happening right now
15:48	fluffypony	punkman: I'll have to see how well I have to hermetically seal it to take it in my hand luggage, then I'll take a few kgs with me and just run the risk of it getting confiscated
15:48	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: a petrified forest is not a forest.
15:48	mircea_popescu	i don't have to.
15:48	benkay	not claiming it doesn't exist, just that i'm ignorant.
15:49	mircea_popescu	ah. well i dunno, i dun follow it much.
15:49	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know, between the meta-nsa nd the petrified forest you got a very dissonant thing going. how about the petrified-nsa and the meta-forest ?
15:50	*	asciilifeform not convinced of the physical existence of meta-nsa. it's a gedanken-nsa.
15:50	mircea_popescu	benkay would you accept the fermat theorem as research ?
15:50	punkman	fluffypony, I've only tried imitations made in EU, I imagine the real thing will be even better
15:51	mircea_popescu	i mean, obviously valuable scientific research doesn't happen in the govt pen. this is hardly surprising. for that matter, europe has a lrge number of "incubators" for start-ups, even timisoara has one, london thinks it dominates this field
15:51	kuzetsa	punkman: pure beef?
15:51	mircea_popescu	yet the only bilion dollar eu start-up to date happened outside of all that.
15:51	asciilifeform	if 'meta-nsa' exists in the flesh, it's probably an assemblage of one grey-haired officer and his two dozen or so apprentices, embedded deep within the scar tissue of usg and surviving in spite of, rather than due to, the overall management.
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15:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so basically you're saying, "if meta-nsa exists, it's a mirror of b-a"
15:51	asciilifeform	more or less.
15:51	mircea_popescu	this alone...
15:52	mircea_popescu	is worth its weight in bitcoinz.
15:52	asciilifeform	lol
15:52	punkman	kuzetsa: well yeah, it's a cut of meat, not like processed jerky
15:52	asciilifeform	general mosquito must have his general mosquitospray.
15:52	fluffypony	punkman: yeah, you can buy the real spices from a bunch of places in the EU, and there are expats that know how to make biltong, but I think the local beef + conditions in the parts of the Western Cape that are home to speciality producers outweigh anything produced overseas
15:52	asciilifeform	!s general mosquito
15:52	assbot	0 results for 'general mosquito' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=general+mosquito
15:52	asciilifeform	;;google general mosquito spray
15:52	gribble	Reading about the Liberian civil war - are they pulling my leg ...: <https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110111133852AArTqht>; Sam Bockarie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bockarie>; Into the Heart of Darkness | American Renaissance: <http://www.amren.com/features/2013/03/into-the-heart-of-darkness/>
15:52	decimation	I wonder if anyone from meta-nsa lurks here?
15:53	mircea_popescu	decimation behind 7 proxies ha-ha ?
15:53	asciilifeform	'the man who was thursday'
15:53	kuzetsa	[15:09:42] <+mircea_popescu> kuzetsa if you're still looking btw, there's http://mpex.ws/faq.html#11 << the broken link is un-helpful: <a href="http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/">socket connection</a>
15:54	mircea_popescu	foodz and his merry gang have been doing overtime translating and summarizing trilema in teh basements of romania's saas
15:54	mircea_popescu	(that country is so mercenary it even does spying as a service)
15:54	kuzetsa	https://40.media.tumblr.com/05f223816f861d3837ee8b0517ffe8cb/tumblr_n7082hXKbh1ty9k88o1_500.jpg unrelated
15:54	mircea_popescu	kuzetsa s/co/ws/
15:55	kuzetsa	mircea_popescu: uhm... so the link should be bitcoin-assets.ws/mpex-socket or what?
15:55	asciilifeform	at this point, the polish, latvian, and, yes, romanian, rent-a-rack torture shoppes frequenced by usa are world famous.
15:55	mircea_popescu	uh second
15:55	asciilifeform	(why usa cannot produce a working rack remains a mystery)
15:56	mircea_popescu	kuzetsa ah i think you gotta pay kako for access to that ?
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15:56	kuzetsa	subscription or one-time?
15:56	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why can't it produce a fucking radio set ?
15:56	asciilifeform	same reason, certainly.
15:56	mircea_popescu	kuzetsa gotta talk to kakobrekla
15:56	kuzetsa	hmm :(
15:56	decimation	ascii the object of the rack has rights
15:56	asciilifeform	perhaps somewhere in the bowels of meta-DHS there works an old soviet specialist who gets results.
15:57	DreadKnight	<benkay> if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them <-- I hate words with multiple meanings, because they tend to complicate things, so I really hate Apple for having that name, should be illegal imo *sigh*
15:57	decimation	radio sets are aplenty for the DoD, for golden toliet prices
15:57	mircea_popescu	kuzetsa anyway, i appreciate the girl's shaved and trimmed. clearly she'd make a decent fuck toy.
15:58	mircea_popescu	!up gilgames1ugga
15:58	punkman	strapless strapons look so uncomfortable
15:58	kuzetsa	punkman: they're not
15:59	kuzetsa	the strap ones are worse
15:59	asciilifeform	wtf is the point of a single-ended 'strapon' anyway
15:59	mircea_popescu	punkman thats intended to stimulate the clit
15:59	asciilifeform	shouldn't it, in principle, be an 'adapter' a la rs232?
15:59	punkman	asciilifeform: it's double-ended
15:59	DreadKnight	<kuzetsa> https://40.media.tumblr.com/05f223816f861d3837ee8b0517ffe8cb/tumblr_n7082hXKbh1ty9k88o1_500.jpg unrelated <-- supposedly some nerdy gamer chick from the tattoo and color of skin :3
15:59	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it is. there's a lumpy thing lodges inside the vagina and a proby thing going upfront.
15:59	mircea_popescu	a better tech solution than the strapon really.
15:59	asciilifeform	ahaa
16:00	mircea_popescu	took a while for things to switch because the strapon seems so intuitive.
16:00	mircea_popescu	but really, this is the correct approach
16:00	punkman	isn't the lever inside the vagine painful when in more vigorous use>?
16:00	kuzetsa	punkman: not sure what you mean about a lever O_O ... they're designed so the muscles can get a good grip and gspot stim and whatnot
16:01	mircea_popescu	punkman you have no idea what the vagina can take.
16:01	*	asciilifeform wonders why the gay folks never built a 'f2m' adapter - think strap-on 'fleshlight'...
16:01	punkman	I have some idea!
16:01	mircea_popescu	ok, some idea :D
16:01	mircea_popescu	moreover : nothing is painful to the sexually aroused woman.
16:01	kuzetsa	yeah uhm... they're kinda designed for pushing out noisy funny shaped crotchfruit the weight of a bowling ball
16:02	mircea_popescu	may be a little sore after.
16:02	mircea_popescu	!up Petrodriller_
16:02	mircea_popescu	and girl-boy-dildo should totally be a pronsite.
16:03	kuzetsa	mircea_popescu: you mean the name for one?
16:03	mircea_popescu	yes
16:03	kuzetsa	ah
16:03	mircea_popescu	!up jumae
16:03	punkman	is .dildo a TLD yet?
16:03	kuzetsa	come to think of it, I think I saw some pegging porn on my tumblr dash in the past week :)
16:03	mircea_popescu	FabianB: jurov: or by s.dice you mean popular, high risk, high dividend, short lifetime? << hopefully wol does the better parts of dice.
16:04	mircea_popescu	kuzetsa this dumbing down of terminology offends me! pegging is when fresh cut ginger is applied prior to twenty or more solid cane swats.
16:04	kuzetsa	;;ud pegging
16:04	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | pegging. anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt. charles: are ...
16:05	mircea_popescu	SCANDAL
16:05	kuzetsa	uh huh
16:05	punkman	mircea_popescu: that's figging
16:05	kuzetsa	punkman: I though figging was generally considered anal ginger play
16:05	kuzetsa	;;ud figging
16:05	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=figging | figging. A peeled ginger root, shaped like a slender butt plug, inserted into the anus without lubrication of any kind. The ginger juices cause pain and extreme ...
16:05	mircea_popescu	no, figging is when you put bits of fruit in there.
16:06	kuzetsa	mircea_popescu: you need more kink in your life, your vocabulary is mismatched to the definitions
16:06	mircea_popescu	STOP OPPRESSING ME
16:06	kuzetsa	ok, that counts a "close enough" to the safeword **unties**
16:06	mircea_popescu	if i happen to have formed a wrong idea it is my god given right as a transcvasimultiultra and so forth to stick to it and nobody can criticize me!
16:07	mircea_popescu	!up RooK314
16:07	HeySteve	hmm I thought figging was done to horses, to make them run faster in races
16:07	mircea_popescu	HeySteve well some people keep fillies for their private entertainment.
16:08	kuzetsa	well I tried: "transcvasimultiultra" on bing, and apparently mircea_popescu is a multicultural marketing agent or something
16:08	mircea_popescu	i just make up words a lot.
16:08	kuzetsa	wait, is bing thinking that's transgender related? I'm so confused now :(
16:08	mircea_popescu	!up ryan`c
16:09	kuzetsa	I should know better than to trust bing :(
16:10	kuzetsa	I wonder if maybe that unrecognized-by-bing type word was part romanian or something?
16:10	benkay	mircea_popescu: where'd that gifset come from?
16:10	kuzetsa	hmm? figging gifset?
16:10	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people. << and yet taleb survives in nyc just fine << yes, he's not in the sort of situation. he's got teh dough.
16:11	mircea_popescu	benkay tumblr, linked earlier IN THE LOGS
16:11	punkman	http://emovu.com/
16:11	assbot	EmoVu by Eyeris - EmoVu
16:11	benkay	the pre-tumblr source, boss.
16:12	benkay	<DreadKnight> <benkay> if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them <-- I hate words with multiple meanings, because they tend to complicate things, so I really hate Apple for having that name, should be illegal imo *sigh*
16:12	benkay	// glass? do you mean google?
16:12	benkay	and also DreadKnight ambiguity is good for your brain.
16:12	mircea_popescu	FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no << that's not so often is it ?
16:12	mircea_popescu	jurov from what i gather you're looking for a product marketable to the retail investor. that'd likely be mpif. it makes about 1% or so.
16:13	mircea_popescu	and has an adequate risk profile. (note that s.dice DID NOT have an adequate risk profile, and the dividends came at considerable capital risk. that the bitcoin retail investor is clueless enough to shove that under the rug makes little difference)
16:15	mircea_popescu	jurov: and if situation gets interesting, mp can pull asks, leaving me unable to add something to other side << i shouldn't be the only person in that market. provided anyone gives a shit about the derps themselves or their general market, enough to actually spend the usd they CLAIM to have received in investment, then that market should easily compete with s.mpoe.
16:15	mircea_popescu	whether it will or whether it wont fundamentally hinges on whether the vc economy is as relevant for bitcoin as mpoe is. which is a point i can't hardly help i dont think
16:16	mircea_popescu	jurov: and risk having bitcoins frozen on mpex? for years? << generally, bitcoin stays frozen somewhere anyway. who cycles bitcoin ?
16:17	mircea_popescu	pigeons: no there is a lot of truth to that << there' sa lot of truth to this : there IS NO OTHER SIDE. it's just words on the web.
16:17	DreadKnight	benkay, I quoted you, so don't ask me what you meant,lol I just considered you meant to kill them (nuke them) xD
16:17	mircea_popescu	i got tons of commends and invitations to discuss and socially groom on the topic of eth. meanwhile, the scammers cycled 5k btc or w/e, at 2k, and i got exactly 0 btc at 5k.
16:18	mircea_popescu	now no matter how you dice it, this simply says nobody is doing any buying at all.
16:18	DreadKnight	benkay, but yeah, sometimes ambiguity helps making associations and remembering is all about that, plus some brain exercising is not bad, but I thought it's what you had against those people wanting to make a coin called "bacon" or "bacoin"
16:19	mircea_popescu	punkman: even if you don't get the believers to trade, you get them to pass up 2.5x discount and maybe consider that keeping their BTC might be better than giving them to random derps. << this is exactly it.
16:19	mircea_popescu	glbse idiots didn't move to mpex after i ruined the various "mining" crap. but they DID stop doing it on glbse, and that was that.
16:20	DreadKnight	benkay, anyway, associating psychologically something (digital in this case) with food is strange, which I don't like regarding Apple
16:20	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: so maybe the DERPs would have been better suited to have been run on Havelol by an independent intermediary << hardly, havelol lists 50% and more directly arbitrageable gaps all the time.
16:20	mircea_popescu	basically, if it's not one of the things they misrepresent, it looks like a pig w/o a lipstick.
16:21	mircea_popescu	jurov: that's the point, i expect f.* to be impossible to liquidate, unless there is a leak or "leak" << how do you mean ?
16:22	punkman	leak of IPO information, and I think he meant d.*
16:22	jurov	punkman yes
16:22	benkay	DreadKnight: i have no idea where you're getting food. oh - bacon? where's the AAPL connection?
16:23	mircea_popescu	jurov punkman i don't follow the logic here. explain to me like i was 5 ?
16:24	mircea_popescu	unrelatedly : anyone wanna do some alpha testing of a brand new service ?
16:24	mircea_popescu	raise your left toe.
16:24	jurov	like i wrote on s.nsa example, no one will put bids till there's some news
16:24	mircea_popescu	jurov if you want to sell, why aren't you putting asks up ?
16:24	mircea_popescu	the way market works is that if you know what you want to do, you announce it.
16:24	mircea_popescu	if yu don't know, then you don't announce.
16:25	mircea_popescu	it is sinful to at the same time know and not have announced.
16:25	jurov	i have multiple past experiences that one has to wait months for such asks to be sold
16:25	mircea_popescu	how low ?
16:26	DreadKnight	benkay, bacon is food, apple is food, naming software or hardware after food is somewhat applying psychological manipulation, think about the Pavlov's dog
16:26	mircea_popescu	obviously the price and time correlate, i'd think
16:26	DreadKnight	benkay, so when you talk about common stuff like food you think about the less known altcoin or hardware company and the other way around, which is evil
16:27	jurov	iirc 20% above ipo/long time average price
16:27	benkay	the world is full of associations. policing your brain is your own problem, imho.
16:27	mircea_popescu	jurov so it'd take months to sell for more than the average ? this is expected no ?
16:28	mircea_popescu	but this is a sidepoint anyway, im more interested in the f.* impossible to liquidate thing
16:28	benkay	finance must create incentives for long-term investment, otherwise it's not really useful.
16:28	DreadKnight	benkay, most people when they hear "apple" get a little more spit in their mouth, it's how psychology works, you have involuntary reflexes which you can't control properly
16:29	benkay	DreadKnight: i care zero whits about most people.
16:29	DreadKnight	so it's not really my own problem, is something related to our design and the masses
16:29	DreadKnight	you are people
16:29	kuzetsa	DreadKnight: when I hear "apple" I think of the company and feel a little sick
16:29	benkay	jurov et al a huge issue in btc finance right now is the lack of long term plays and the fixation on returns! now!
16:29	kuzetsa	then again, I'm not "most peolpe"
16:29	benkay	DreadKnight: i am not most people.
16:29	assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/320GWWN.txt )
16:29	benkay	!b 2
16:30	DreadKnight	kuzetsa, me too, it tans the fruit and ties it to hardware and evil
16:30	kuzetsa	aww, you got me in a quote? whatever :(
16:30	DreadKnight	benkay, that's exactly what most people say xD
16:30	mircea_popescu	benkay well he has a serious problem with a bunch of kids that wish to be made rich by bitcoin through nothing more than just that.
16:30	mircea_popescu	which... yeah, i can see it'd be a problem.
16:30	jurov	i mean, if i wanted to liquidate s.nsa, i'd have to sell for 90% and still wait till it gets filled
16:31	jurov	same happened with f.mpif recently
16:31	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, mainly I have a problem with Apple and who allowed it to have that name
16:31	benkay	DreadKnight: and yet i'm a baron of la serenissima, and most people are not never will nor ever could.
16:31	mircea_popescu	jurov you mean the ~20 btc that sold for 21ish average and the book is pretty much back ?
16:31	DreadKnight	benkay, first that I hear that word, guess it's a location xD
16:31	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight no, mainly you're turrning yourself into a problem because you keep beating that dead horse discussion while we're talking finance, which is the overriding topic here.
16:32	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, very common names can give companies or product a huge boost regarding making those finances
16:33	DreadKnight	there's a lot of psychology in branding, can even make or break the products themselves
16:33	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: 46k-spent-mining-hardware-final-reckoning << that'd have been a much better post if it actually included numbers. you know, paid this, then, made back this much so far etc.
16:34	mircea_popescu	and i guess if it weren't on coindesk. which two are problly synonymous anywaqy.
16:34	benkay	i suppose if they're undifferentiable from other chicom-originating crap, DreadKnight. otherwise, there's value provided that a brand has nothing to do with.
16:34	benkay	what's the MPEx brand and how does it make or break MPEx?
16:36	DreadKnight	benkay, took my quite a bit to remember that MPEx thing and figure out what part of it names stand for, still not sure about the full name; it's an acronym; anyway, stock related stuff is usually named using acronyms and rather obscure compared to regular brands
16:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 210 @ 0.0029 = 0.609 BTC [-]
16:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2337 @ 0.00289999 = 6.7773 BTC [-] {2}
16:43	DreadKnight	benkay, anyway, was wondering why you said you would nuke those people since you didn't provided an argument; are you against seeing more joke coins or what?
16:45	DreadKnight	altcoins are kinda like linux distros nowadays, a lot of people making yet another one for no apparent reason (trying to get rich with not much work), just to change the name and such, hoping they might get lucky
16:46	DreadKnight	there are only a few coins that actually bring something new to the table
16:46	asciilifeform	DreadKnight: other than (arguably) 'litecoin' - which?
16:49	DreadKnight	well, most alt coins change some variables around, just like linux distros change default packages and wallpaper
16:50	asciilifeform	right. so which ones bring something new ?
16:51	DreadKnight	some try to improve stuff under the hood, but I don't have the technical expertise to figure out if those changes are really improvements
16:52	DreadKnight	they're kinda like branches of software, so a bit of experimentation is good to be done in "test areas" rather than on the popular blockchain everybody is using
16:53	DreadKnight	it's good to have ltc around, just like there's both gold and silver
16:55	DreadKnight	it's not very likely any time soon that all humans will only use a coin, same goes for languages; a lot of people benefit from conversions / exchanges
16:56	asciilifeform	DreadKnight: i'd argue that ltc is an experiment ('let's banish asic') that failed.
16:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1910 @ 0.00289999 = 5.539 BTC [-]
16:57	DreadKnight	asciilifeform, well, after GPU mining was redundant on btc, a lot of people switched to ltc, but pretty much no coin is worth mining with GPU anymore now
16:57	DreadKnight	so it was just a matter of time; mining difficulty keeps increasing
16:58	benkay	<DreadKnight> some try to improve stuff under the hood, but I don't have the technical expertise to figure out if those changes are really improvements // if the improvement isn't plain as the nose on my kike face it and everyone behind it are going to get glassed
16:58	benkay	improvement on the scale of bitcoin over dollars
16:58	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ltc is primarily the politician's captive daughter re "we'll ban bitcoin!"
16:59	DreadKnight	yeah, in case btc gets banned, you got more fish in the pond; so either ban "digital currencies" but fiat money kinda got converted to digital with credit cards
16:59	DreadKnight	and bank accounts
17:00	DreadKnight	so banning digital currencies altogether would be hypocritical
17:00	mircea_popescu	it's not merely "more fish in the pond". that's the easy part. "more swimming fishes, that are doing fine in spite of a laundry list of <deffects> you may imagine"
17:00	punkman	DreadKnigh, fiat was digital much earlier than computers
17:00	mircea_popescu	that spells out "you don't matter" in politician english.
17:00	xmj_	you know
17:00	xmj_	someone banning bitcoin would be the best thing ever, as it's much like a hydra.
17:00	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, yeah good point, but I see ltc as the "next missile in line to fire", just in case
17:00	mircea_popescu	xmj_ taleb sed so, AndrewJackson even has it in his part message.
17:01	chetty	ban bitcoin? might as well try to ban the internet
17:01	xmj_	great minds think alike
17:01	xmj_	:)
17:01	FabianB	<+mircea_popescu> FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no << that's not so often is it ? <-- no, just saw a few
17:01	DreadKnight	punkman, I'm aware, good point as well :) I guess it's were all the banks and money related problems started appearing... and inflation!
17:01	mircea_popescu	FabianB link ?
17:02	mircea_popescu	chetty moar like, the moon.
17:03	chetty	pass a law, it shall not rain until after sundown
17:03	xmj_	chetty: whom would you punish if it did?
17:04	asciilifeform	any earnest attempted ban would presumably include all blockchain-based tech
17:04	chetty	why everyone who noticed of coure
17:04	asciilifeform	(the way usa used to ban drugs by name, but now includes a kind of 'regexp' matcher of chemical structure)
17:05	xmj_	there's a way around every law; loopholes are built-in by default anyway.
17:05	DreadKnight	hah, there are a lot of re-branded pharmaceutical drugs nowadays, basically the same thing as aspiring or other common stuff, just at way higher prices
17:06	dub	remembering the internet does get banned periodically in various locales
17:06	chetty	if its against the law to rain before sundown then it cannot happen and if you say it did you are guilty of something
17:06	DreadKnight	you don't get to see aspiring ads displayed on tv anyway
17:06	dub	and parts of it are permanently banned in many places
17:07	dub	there are technical measures they could bring against bitcoin
17:07	DreadKnight	I like that btc got mentioned quite a few times in a sci-fi / futuristic show called "Almost Human"
17:07	*	asciilifeform wasn't suggesting that bans 'work', but disputing that ltc is any kind of pill against whatever effect a hypothetical ban might have.
17:08	xmj_	chetty: like nothing happened on june 4, 1989, in tiananmen square?
17:08	asciilifeform	!s tiananmen
17:08	assbot	1 results for 'tiananmen' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tiananmen
17:08	asciilifeform	fail.
17:08	DreadKnight	college students had a protest, they were shot by government / military
17:08	asciilifeform	DreadKnight: the u.s. state dept.'s version of the events, sure.
17:08	chetty	exactly like that, and stalin didnt send anyone to gulags (oh oops actually there wasnt anyone named stalin to do that)
17:08	dub	china is not exactly a shining example of freedom
17:09	xmj_	dub is missing the point
17:09	DreadKnight	asciilifeform, maybe, but at least something got out about the event instead of total darkness
17:09	dub	agreed.
17:09	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2014#461122
17:09	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
17:10	DreadKnight	dub, communism is not freedom; china made own linux distro and imposed it, for a fee, in internet-caffee places and other businesses, kicking microsoft in the nuts and finally taking over
17:11	mircea_popescu	<dub> remembering the internet does get banned periodically in various locales << in the sense it's banned in antarctica, sure.
17:12	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, radio waves melting the ice or what? xD
17:12	dub	iraq is the most recent example I'm aware of, but pick anywhere the 'arab spring' reared up
17:12	dub	egypt for eg
17:12	mircea_popescu	i had internet in egypt.
17:13	dub	key word 'periodically'
17:13	mircea_popescu	there's two conflated points here. you can ban "consumer" grade shit any time. this is fine but irrelevant. bitcoin is not consumer stuff.
17:13	mircea_popescu	banning consumer grade shit usually is accomplished through being poor.
17:13	mircea_popescu	this is fine for everyone involved.
17:14	mircea_popescu	if us bans cotton tomorrow, or oil, or w/e, it'd simply be because it finally became too poor to afford it.
17:14	mircea_popescu	like the house of many bans meat.
17:14	chetty	much of the world is already way too dependant on internet, heck its even in soda vending machines now
17:14	mircea_popescu	they call it vegetarian or w/e the hell, but facts are facts.
17:14	asciilifeform	dub: 'springs' are the time-honoured american method for having a country nailgun itself in the head.
17:14	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform american really has naught to do with it.
17:15	asciilifeform	the american 'spring' will be a sight to behold.
17:15	dub	there won't be one
17:15	mircea_popescu	dub i'll bet you us population will be under 200mn by 2050.
17:15	dub	hey if I had my way it would be under 50
17:16	chetty	nah, don forget the migration from the south, they will repopiulate
17:16	asciilifeform	ru, eg, sy, ua - got 'sprung.' cn nipped its 'spring' in the bud, which is why we still have the 'middle kingdom' to kick around.
17:17	dub	but a spring in the sense of populace uprising, nah
17:17	mircea_popescu	dub it won't be identified or self-identify as "populace"
17:17	mircea_popescu	nevertheless, the mexican drug cartels already sprung all the way to arizona.
17:17	mircea_popescu	this will continue.
17:17	asciilifeform	aztlan.
17:18	mircea_popescu	there's no particular reason the command center of that continent has to be in the far away east coast.
17:18	chetty	I thought they were in Chicago
17:18	mircea_popescu	california was and will be happy to continue as a province of mexico city.
17:18	mircea_popescu	so you know, the day i can bribe a mexican official to shoot a federal agent for sport...
17:19	dub	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw
17:19	assbot	Public Enemy - By The Time I Get To Arizona - YouTube
17:19	mircea_popescu	it might as well have happened. whatever "the populace" did
17:22	decimation	if the power of usg wanes to that degree, I think you will see the power return to the localities/states
17:23	HeySteve	orlov has a lot to say about the failure of imperial USA, he's not the only one to predict balkanization
17:23	chetty	<mircea_popescu> so you know, the day i can bribe a mexican official to shoot a federal agent for sport...//by then it wont matter
17:24	decimation	the USA: "they believed their own propaganda bullshit"
17:24	mircea_popescu	decimation here's a thought : if the number of us agents executed was small, you'd see a lot of publicity over the cases. the reason you don't hear a peep about it is that..
17:24	mircea_popescu	everyone can have problems.
17:24	mircea_popescu	chetty that day is in 2008ish.
17:25	decimation	I'm not sure that usg is capable of keeping the deaths of its employees secret
17:25	*	asciilifeform pictures the 'black swan' gotcha butthurt when home desktop narcosynthesis makes the whole subject academic.
17:26	mircea_popescu	decimation really ?
17:26	decimation	someone, somewhere misses the deceased, presumably
17:26	mircea_popescu	can you name the people that were butchered in the benghazi pile of lol ?
17:26	chetty	decimation, I used to think that, but they dont need to keep secrets, just keep waving flags at more important stuff
17:26	mircea_popescu	obviously their mom knows. so what if she does ?
17:27	asciilifeform	the people that were butchered in the benghazi pile of lol << is diametric awake?
17:27	asciilifeform	i vaguely recall his tale, that one of the casualties was on irc, chronicling his last hours
17:27	mircea_popescu	and that was an embassy. not "accidental death" walking down the street.
17:28	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform one of the casualties was a major part of something awful (ie, where teh libertard community resides. it's a sort of anti-bitcoin, that thing)
17:28	asciilifeform	aha
17:28	decimation	I thought he was playing eve online
17:28	mircea_popescu	decimation yes, same one. but that's just one.
17:29	asciilifeform	if i recall, last words were 'enemy is at the gates. they've opened fire, oh shi....'
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17:30	mircea_popescu	now, how many people did cia lose there ? "presumably someone misses them"... well... do you ?
17:30	mircea_popescu	who does ?
17:30	decimation	chetty: there's a difference between the media trumpeting a fact and the fact being hidden
17:30	mircea_popescu	what is the practical difference ?
17:30	asciilifeform	easy to hide just about any fact from the porcine 'masses'
17:30	asciilifeform	just keep it off the front page.
17:31	mircea_popescu	but do this, for your own amusement. compile the list of dead us agents in arizona, new mexico, something, during one year.
17:31	mircea_popescu	see hwo it reads.
17:31	decimation	http://www.cbp.gov/about/in-memoriam/memoriam-those-who-died-line-duty
17:31	mircea_popescu	that's the small part.
17:31	dub	the good ole' line of dooty
17:32	mircea_popescu	you want the prosecutors, you want the FBI, you want the state police, etc.
17:32	mircea_popescu	who shoots fucking customs agents.
17:32	asciilifeform	now, doesn't it matter whether these corpses became corpses in spite or - or because of - own management?
17:32	chetty	even stuff that hits the front page is gone with the next headline
17:32	asciilifeform	i.e. were they plugged because they insisted on following the 'letter of the law' re: their duties, with complicity of their own brass
17:33	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what matters is relative security. who can prevent whom from messing with their shit.
17:33	dub	unrealted: to save a world of goolepain, is teh SR codebase online somewhere?
17:33	mircea_popescu	and, perhaps equally importantlky, who cares more.
17:33	FabianB	mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/939/world-cup-2014-english-to-net-more-than/ http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/ http://bitbet.us/bet/854/brock-pierce-to-resign-at-btc-foundation/ http://bitbet.us/bet/1003/elizabeth-warren-to-run-for-us-president/
17:33	assbot	BitBet - World Cup 2014: English to net more than 6 goals :: 0.39 B (6%) on Yes, 6.41 B (94%) on No | closed 1 month 3 days ago
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17:33	assbot	BitBet - Elizabeth Warren to run for US President :: 0.01 B (1%) on Yes, 1.09 B (99%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 99`071 (100`000 to 1)
17:33	decimation	http://www.odmp.org/search/year/2014?ref=sidebar
17:33	assbot	Law Enforcement Line of Duty Deaths in 2014
17:33	mircea_popescu	dub not afak.
17:34	asciilifeform	as i understand, the customs inspectors who understand that certain trucks are not to be fucked with, certain hours they should take a smoke break and look away, etc. - are still alive.
17:34	mircea_popescu	FabianB it is possible this is a reflection of the actual odds.
17:34	mircea_popescu	or no ?
17:34	FabianB	mircea_popescu: sure
17:34	mircea_popescu	i mean warren isn;'t getting a nomination for instance.
17:35	chetty	doesnt jet get into the primaries count? Warren will be there I bet
17:35	mircea_popescu	i think she has to actually be in the race
17:35	mircea_popescu	no idea, haven't read the bet.
17:36	asciilifeform	the reason why aztlan hypothesis strikes me as weak, is that it is not clear that the mexicans are one-sidedly thrusting unsolicited cock across the border
17:36	asciilifeform	on the contrary, there is an eager recipient for the cock
17:37	chetty	usg is a whore
17:37	decimation	http://www.odmp.org/search?name=&agency=&state=&from=2012&to=2013&cause=Gunfire&filter=all
17:37	assbot	Search for a Fallen Officer
17:37	mircea_popescu	jurov incidentally, this reminds me : supposedly people plunked down 5k btc to be locked away in an ethereum address for at least six months, if not more
17:37	mircea_popescu	from what people have been saying here, they expect it to be a year.
17:37	asciilifeform	imagine usa were to ban... toilet paper. who would actually profit from the ban being adequately enforced? no one. from lackluster enforcement at every level? everyone.
17:37	decimation	well, according to that site 78 officers were killed by gunfire across the entire US in 2012-2013
17:37	mircea_popescu	obviously at this point you're addressing the wrong market :D
17:38	asciilifeform	what would become of the folks in uniform who insist on following the 'no tp' order to the letter?
17:38	asciilifeform	problems.
17:38	decimation	I guess I don't see it, I don't think us gov't agents are dying that often, why bother killing them anyway?
17:38	mircea_popescu	decimation you know how many people die in romania in a year ?
17:38	mircea_popescu	(by gunfire)
17:38	decimation	I suspect fewer per capita
17:38	asciilifeform	decimation: folks who won't play ball are killed by own side. sometimes via shepherding into 'enemy' line of fire, sometimes directly.
17:39	mircea_popescu	allow me to blow your mind : a degree of magnitude fewer per capita than US agents.
17:39	chetty	how about how many bankers, that one is getting interesting. Being a banker is not healthy these days
17:39	dub	asciilifeform: there's all kinds of upsides to flooding the us with drugs
17:39	mircea_popescu	in short : it's dangerous fucking work, working for the dying empire.
17:39	asciilifeform	bankers get nailgunned by their own заградотряд.
17:39	mircea_popescu	much, much more dangerous than the empire is to the world at large.
17:39	decimation	I don't think the usg hides this stuff either, it just gets pushed into statistics that no one reads. The usg has a compulsion to account for itself (in its own crazy way)
17:40	asciilifeform	(russia did not invent заградотряд - rome had it. and whatever rome we get 1000 yrs from now will too)
17:40	mircea_popescu	in fact, a us agent has better chances of being shot on the job than someone breaking a us law of being sent to jail.
17:41	decimation	well, considering that in practice nearly everything can be construed as illegal in the us, that's probably true
17:41	mircea_popescu	well, how's that thought sit with you
17:41	DreadKnight	Hollywood makes a lot of movies encouraging death in the line of work; patriotism / heroism / martyr bs propaganda / brainwashing
17:42	decimation	it's true that the dying empire thing isn't such a great deal anymore
17:42	penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/27/inheritance-and-individuation/
17:42	mircea_popescu	kinda the point of posts like the von flondor one. people tend to stop and consider their situation.
17:42	asciilifeform	http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kotsubinsky/12274883/343375/343375_original.jpg
17:43	asciilifeform	^ 'barrier brigade of nkvd preparing to 'support' soviet fighters - with machine gun blast in the back.'
17:43	asciilifeform	(re: 'заградотряд')
17:45	bitcoinpete	man alive you guys wrote a lot in the time it took me to put that blog post together
17:45	FabianB	mircea_popescu: point wasn't that the odds might not be right, it was that it might make no sense to put even more in the 99% side
17:45	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete i had the same problem earlier today
17:45	mircea_popescu	FabianB well thatr's only a point if the odds aren't right. if they're right, doubling the 99% side will yield a doubling of the 1% side.
17:46	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: i thought i could do both at the same time but… not even close. sundays are usually lighter
17:46	FabianB	mircea_popescu: only if that's more than the fees
17:46	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete sundays aren't what they used to be anymore.
17:46	mircea_popescu	FabianB yeah ok, 99% not a good example for sure, yes.
17:47	mircea_popescu	but the only two actually over 10 btc bets are also more like 96-97%
17:47	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: yup, going back to sabbath on saturdays
17:47	decimation	same thing happened in colorado in 1914 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
17:47	assbot	Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:48	mircea_popescu	!up copain_reac
17:48	chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/runaway-ebola-infected-woman-dies-us-doctor-tests-positive-virus
17:49	mircea_popescu	decimation fun fact : the deadliest strike in the history of the us bodycount ~= the claimed le bodycount for 2012, in that source of yours.
17:49	mircea_popescu	which to me seems to grossly underestimate facts, but hey.
17:49	decimation	well, I was just counting uniformed police + their dogs
17:50	mircea_popescu	right.
17:50	decimation	if you include the masses the numbers are probably much higher
17:50	asciilifeform	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/runaway-ebola-infected-woman-dies-us-doctor-tests-positive-virus#comment-5009686 << gold
17:50	mircea_popescu	no, that's precisel what i mean.
17:51	decimation	http://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us-by-state/
17:51	assbot	• U.S. homicide: number of murders by state 2012 | Statistic
17:51	mircea_popescu	lol isn't chicago doing 40 a weekend by now ?
17:51	asciilifeform	https://sites.google.com/site/bioterrorbible/dead-scientists
17:51	assbot	DEAD SCIENTISTS - BioTerrorBible.com
17:53	asciilifeform	>> if tired of living, consider becoming a banker or biowarfare specialist.
17:53	decimation	or you could volunteer for an ebola clinic
17:53	decimation	I wouldn't recommend taking your family
17:54	asciilifeform	nah, that's just plain 'professional hazard' - like coal mining.
17:54	asciilifeform	vs. fields where the ultimate professional accolade is a silenced bullet
17:54	asciilifeform	the 'lead nobel prize'
17:54	mircea_popescu	lol
17:54	decimation	as moldbug points out, most folks want to be published in the 'grey lady'
17:54	decimation	that's one way to do I guess
17:57	asciilifeform	grand prize - you get to sew yourself into a sack and drown in bathtub. runner up - bullet. bronze medal - car crash.
17:57	mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/4fd12808296bde17c577a0cff94187da/tumblr_mvnrcpiXAa1qlne6uo1_500.jpg
17:58	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol!
17:58	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ОМОН
17:58	mircea_popescu	hehehe
17:59	asciilifeform	incidentally, this scene could very well be the genuine article. post-'90s russian police routinely search fleshwallets.
18:05	bitcoinpete	i irlloled when someone dropped "ham wallet" the other day.
18:05	bitcoinpete	goddam imagery of that
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18:09	bitcoinpete	DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, oh, La Forge, the black guy with visor << he's coming back to tv soon. as the reading rainbow guy!
18:10	bitcoinpete	kickstarter and everything lol
18:10	bitcoinpete	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh <<$5.4 mn. oof
18:10	assbot	Bring Reading Rainbow Back for Every Child, Everywhere! by LeVar Burton & Reading Rainbow — Kickstarter
18:11	DreadKnight	bitcoinpete, sounds a bit gay hmm, I'm afraid; he showed up a bit in Big Bang Theory, impersonating himself as a washed up actor overall
18:13	DreadKnight	oh, project seems for a good cause; seen a lot of other celebrities crowd fund retarded, random or selfish crap
18:15	bitcoinpete	DreadKnight: ya i watched the show as a kid. wasn't terrible or scarring. so better than what's on today i guess
18:15	DreadKnight	good stuff
18:16	DreadKnight	though 5 million dollars for a digital app for reading is kinda too much
18:17	bitcoinpete	DreadKnight: $100k to develop, $5.3mn to market
18:18	DreadKnight	bitcoinpete, it's still a lot for development, but yeah
18:19	DreadKnight	he's a bit full of crap even in the video, people jaw dropping at his sight lmao
18:19	dub	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg8055753#msg8055753
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18:19	dub	ahh the forum
18:19	dub	'wahh poopyhead'
18:20	DreadKnight	little kids don't even know what star trek is overall
18:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00080464 = 7.0808 BTC [+]
18:21	bitcoinpete	dub: lulz
18:23	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: just because a buncha muricans pretend to be scientists shouldn't sour one on science << but it's so easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater! i've been guilty of this too benkay
18:23	DreadKnight	seems "la forge" starred in a kid show, lol
18:27	asciilifeform	bitcoinpete: so easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater! << esp. when said water in fact contains no baby, but only some quantity of jizm and menstrually jettisoned eggs
18:28	bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: basically need a nanostrainer
18:34	bitcoinpete	arighty. logged up and on my way. bon soir!
18:38	dub	asciilifeform: worked for many species for a lot longer than we've been upright
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19:47	benkay	<chetty> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/runaway-ebola-infected-woman-dies-us-doctor-tests-positive-virus // wowee
19:53	benkay	"Funerals were initially a major source of transmission. "Relatives sometimes fall, cry on the dead body, wash the body," says Temba Morris, who runs a government health clinic in a remote village of roughly 3,000 people near the epicenter of the Sierra Leone outbreak."
19:55	benkay	;;later tell bitcoinpete "Fostering a disciplined and inquisitive mind is the greatest gift you can bestow upon your children, which explains why almost no one gets it right." // shit keeps me up at night, man. just last night i was diagramming out a curriculum in natural philosophy.
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19:58	thestringpuller	benkay: my mom is a super teacher, so I was kinda just set.
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20:29	BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-and-regional/missouri/big-corn-crop-little-profit-in-southeast-missouri/article_bfbeedbe-3beb-548f-8cdf-b2580a401f83.html
20:29	assbot	Big corn crop, little profit in SE Missouri : News
20:30	kakobrekla	!s vwap
20:30	assbot	1526 results for 'vwap' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=vwap
20:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00080238 = 23.9912 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 31 minutes ~
21:13	BingoBoingo	!up RebeccaBitcoin
21:14	BingoBoingo	!up jMyles
21:14	RebeccaBitcoin	Hi
21:14	BingoBoingo	!up Anon29486307
21:14	BingoBoingo	Hello
21:14	TheNewDeal	oh hai
21:15	RebeccaBitcoin	Is this where Bitcoin pete hangs out?
21:15	BingoBoingo	It is indeed
21:15	kakobrekla	;;seen bitcoinpete
21:15	gribble	bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> arighty. logged up and on my way. bon soir!
21:15	TheNewDeal	well, he's not the only one
21:15	benkay	who're you, RebeccaBitcoin ?
21:15	RebeccaBitcoin	I'm Rebecca, from coinforum
21:16	TheNewDeal	precarious punctuation, benkay?
21:16	benkay	TheNewDeal: pardon?
21:16	benkay	RebeccaBitcoin: what brings you by? pete piss someone you love off?
21:16	RebeccaBitcoin	I was reading Bitcoin Pete's blog and noticed that he frequently chats on irc, and set out to find this elusive place.
21:17	benkay	welcome, you've found the hotbed of cryptojihadi dissent
21:17	TheNewDeal	lol
21:17	RebeccaBitcoin	haha no, I like his blog. He seems to have pissed off the owner of coinforum who's accusing him of making false accusations against Ethereum.
21:17	benkay	link?
21:17	RebeccaBitcoin	I on the other hand agree with Pete, and have also been called out on that forum for critisizing
21:18	TheNewDeal	!s bitcoinpete blog
21:18	assbot	88 results for 'bitcoinpete blog' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoinpete+blog
21:18	decimation	you won't find many strong believers in altcoins here
21:18	RebeccaBitcoin	https://coinforum.ca/discussion/1813/ethereum-sale-has-begun/p2
21:18	assbot	Ethereum sale has begun - Page 2 - Canada's Bitcoin Community
21:18	kakobrekla	RebeccaBitcoin do yourself a favor , get in the wot.
21:18	RebeccaBitcoin	ya, whats that
21:18	TheNewDeal	http://bitcoinpete.com/
21:18	assbot	When Bitcoin Met Pete
21:18	RebeccaBitcoin	last time I used irc was like 15 years ago
21:18	TheNewDeal	there's some definitely strong Altcoin believers in here, no?
21:19	RebeccaBitcoin	actually no 10 years ago
21:19	Duffer1	strong altcoin trollers maybe :P
21:19	kakobrekla	RebeccaBitcoin http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation and http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
21:19	assbot	wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
21:19	assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
21:19	TheNewDeal	WOL runs on atc at the moment, doesn't it?
21:21	decimation	just because you deal in a currency doesn't mean you view it as a savings vehicle
21:21	benkay	RebeccaBitcoin: can you use GPG?
21:22	RebeccaBitcoin	I was hoping IRC wasn't going to be as nerdy as it was 10 years ago. Apparently I'm wrong.
21:22	kakobrekla	nothing to do with irc.
21:22	RebeccaBitcoin	you get my point
21:23	RebeccaBitcoin	Anyway, yes I use GPG
21:23	benkay	k, great.
21:23	benkay	;;google eregister bitcoin-otc web of trust
21:23	gribble	GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>; Gribble - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble>
21:24	RebeccaBitcoin	ya I'll figure it out
21:24	benkay	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication#Registration
21:24	assbot	GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
21:24	RebeccaBitcoin	in the meantime, feel free to keep authorizing me until I say something too offensive lol
21:24	benkay	can't really be done in these parts
21:25	RebeccaBitcoin	like omg Ethereum is so cool... and Vitalik is way cooler than Satoshi
21:25	benkay	the pimply guy who spreads quantum FUD? real cool.
21:25	RebeccaBitcoin	yes him
21:27	kakobrekla	quantum is cool.
21:27	benkay	ohyou.png
21:28	benkay	fucking freezing more like it
21:28	dub	inb4 gotta get bitcoin on friday
21:29	benkay	friday friday
21:29	RebeccaBitcoin	When are we going to the moon
21:29	benkay	;;8ball moon when?
21:29	gribble	NO!
21:30	RebeccaBitcoin	hey is gribble a person?
21:30	kakobrekla	;;8ball is gribble a person?
21:30	gribble	You know the answer better than I.
21:30	RebeccaBitcoin	lol
21:30	RebeccaBitcoin	i'm guessing no ;p
21:30	kakobrekla	;;8ball is RebeccaBitcoin right?
21:30	gribble	One would be wise to think so.
21:30	kakobrekla	lucky.
21:31	RebeccaBitcoin	i know rite
21:31	benkay	at least it doesn't have the ?? ??? egg that many 8-ball bots implement
21:31	*	dub eats baller lentil salad
21:33		Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/
21:36	RebeccaBitcoin	exciting
21:36	kakobrekla	o look over 1k
21:36	kakobrekla	bets accepted.
21:37	dub	scam
21:37	benkay	freenode exodus when?
21:37	dub	wai?
21:37	benkay	reezuns.
21:38	benkay	http://mathoverflow.net/questions/26267/where-to-buy-premium-white-chalk-in-the-u-s-like-they-have-at-rims/26274#26274
21:38	assbot	teaching - Where to buy premium white chalk in the U.S., like they have at RIMS? - MathOverflow
21:39	RebeccaBitcoin	;;8ball when will bitcoin pete be back?
21:39	gribble	NO.
21:40	RebeccaBitcoin	never?
21:40	kakobrekla	its a binary outcome, not descriptionary
21:40	kakobrekla	gotta ask the question right.
21:40	RebeccaBitcoin	my bad
21:40	benkay	;;8ball will bitcoinpete be back before bitcoin is over 600?
21:40	gribble	Unlikely.
21:40	RebeccaBitcoin	;;8ball will Bitcoin pete be back before my account loses its voice priveleges?
21:40	gribble	You know the answer better than I.
21:40	RebeccaBitcoin	;;8ball no I don't. You suck.
21:40	gribble	The answer is certainly yes.
21:41	kakobrekla	sorry, ternary.
21:41	RebeccaBitcoin	ok thats more like it
21:41	kakobrekla	yes, no or fuck off.
21:41	cazalla	RebeccaBitcoin, coinguy sounds like an idiot
21:42	RebeccaBitcoin	He's probably a nice guy, but ya, don't know why he gets mad when we attack stuff
21:42	RebeccaBitcoin	I wanted to praise Bitcoin pete for his his critisisms of Ethereum. And then I wanted to make fun of him for the perma-hard on he has for mircea popescu
21:42	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SNZT5F.txt )
21:42	kakobrekla	!b 1
21:43	RebeccaBitcoin	umm k?
21:43	cazalla	well if you stick around, perhaps you can make use of that hard on
21:43	RebeccaBitcoin	lol
21:43	RebeccaBitcoin	what does it mean when I get bashed
21:43	kakobrekla	;;t
21:44	gribble	Error: This url is not on the whitelist.
21:44	kakobrekla	;;topic
21:44	gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
21:44	benkay	bash.bitcoin-assets.com
21:44	kakobrekla	<gribble> Error: This url is not on the whitelist. < how the fuck
21:44	cazalla	!up RebeccaBitcoin
21:44	RebeccaBitcoin	yay
21:48	RebeccaBitcoin	I wonder if I can trade my non-existent Ether prior to the launch
21:48	RebeccaBitcoin	Kinda like how people were trading gox coins
21:49	dub	seems to be question of the week
21:49	dub	HOW DOD I DUMP DIS
21:49	dub	oops caps, but lol caps
21:57	BingoBoingo	!up RebeccaBitcoin
21:58	RebeccaBitcoin	i've registered my name
21:58	RebeccaBitcoin	now I"m doing the GPG thing
22:00	mircea_popescu	dub whai r u link tardstalk moderated threads even
22:00		Bet created: "President Obama Impeached before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1007/
22:00	dub	dereeted?
22:01	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, is MPEx avoiding these methods to simplify things and going for predetermined price all the time? http://www.incademy.com/courses/How-the-stock-market-works/Offers-by-tender,-and-other-methods-of-admission/3/1014/10002
22:01	assbot	Incademy.com : How the stock market works : Offers by tender, and other methods of admission
22:02	dub	not dereeted, struck me as a hilarious capitulation to truth
22:02	RebeccaBitcoin	;;eregister RebeccaBitcoin E431 B96E C1B5 BE61 12EE 9A8F 2DE0 3C7C 54AF 3F42
22:02	gribble	Error: 'E431' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
22:02	mircea_popescu	dub ok i see your point
22:02	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin who're you ?
22:03	RebeccaBitcoin	Didn't we already go through that?
22:03	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight a complicated topic and that's not a particularly relevant source or frame.
22:03	mircea_popescu	!s RebeccaBitcoin
22:03	assbot	0 results for 'RebeccaBitcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=RebeccaBitcoin
22:03	RebeccaBitcoin	lol
22:03	mircea_popescu	no, apparently we didn't.
22:03	RebeccaBitcoin	hmm don't think that was supposed to appear publicly lol
22:03	gribble	Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
22:04	RebeccaBitcoin	;;eregister RebeccaBitcoin 2DE03C7C54AF3F42
22:04	gribble	Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
22:04	DreadKnight	mircea_popescu, erm ok, but I'm trying to learn all the strings besides talking the talk
22:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16448 @ 0.00080406 = 13.2252 BTC [+] {2}
22:04	RebeccaBitcoin	k i'll figure that out later
22:04	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin if you just put it on the server it may take a coupla hours to propagate.
22:05	RebeccaBitcoin	where do I put it on the server?
22:05	RebeccaBitcoin	The instructions mention nothing about putting anything on a server
22:05	RebeccaBitcoin	I made a GPG key, typed the thing, didn't work
22:06	RebeccaBitcoin	Anyway to answer your question mircea_popescu, I read Bitcoin Pete's blog. A good portion of it is copy and paste's from here, so I thought I would come on to see what its all about.
22:06	mircea_popescu	that;s a point.
22:07	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin you gotta upload your key.
22:07	RebeccaBitcoin	And to quote myself from earlier: "I wanted to praise Bitcoin pete for his his critisisms of Ethereum. And then I wanted to make fun of him for the perma-hard on he has for mircea popescu "
22:07	dub	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication#Creating_a_GPG_key
22:07	assbot	GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
22:07	mircea_popescu	gpg --send-keys 54AF3F42
22:08	RebeccaBitcoin	gpg --send-keys 54AF3F42
22:08	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin what if you get a perma-nipple-on for me too ?
22:08	mircea_popescu	not here silly. in cli.
22:08	RebeccaBitcoin	in cli?
22:08	mircea_popescu	command line interface. what os do you use ?
22:10	RebeccaBitcoin	mac
22:10	RebeccaBitcoin	OS something
22:10	DreadKnight	X marks the spot.
22:11	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin extract your pubkey, dump int by hand in http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/
22:11	assbot	pks.ms.mff.cuni.cz OpenPGP Keyservers
22:11	mircea_popescu	cuni.cz ? srsly ?
22:12	kakobrekla	benkay assbot fixed
22:12	RebeccaBitcoin	done
22:12	RebeccaBitcoin	public key added
22:12	RebeccaBitcoin	to the cuni.cz thing
22:12	RebeccaBitcoin	your link didn't work
22:13	mircea_popescu	cool so give it an hour or two so gribble can see it.
22:13	RebeccaBitcoin	ok
22:13	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin are you one of those difficuly jewish young women we read about ?
22:13	RebeccaBitcoin	lol not jewish
22:13	RebeccaBitcoin	Irish. Red hair.
22:14	kakobrekla	dont we already have an irish ?
22:14	RebeccaBitcoin	i'm in canada
22:14	RebeccaBitcoin	and born here
22:14	mircea_popescu	i think we already have an irish yeah
22:15	mircea_popescu	sorry rebecca.
22:16	DreadKnight	Noe's arch supposedly had 2 of each kind
22:16	mircea_popescu	yeah but the other irish is also a girl.
22:16	DreadKnight	lol, nice
22:17	mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: WOL runs on atc at the moment, doesn't it? << nah btc.
22:17	mircea_popescu	also has atc tho
22:18	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin: I was hoping IRC wasn't going to be as nerdy as it was 10 years ago. Apparently I'm wrong. << how the fuck is this place nerdy
22:18	mircea_popescu	and also, noted the 15 years ago. you don't get to make yourself under 30 again that easily!
22:18	dub	no emojiis
22:19	RebeccaBitcoin	haha
22:19	RebeccaBitcoin	i'm 28
22:19	mircea_popescu	or 33.
22:19	mircea_popescu	dub: scam <<
22:19	RebeccaBitcoin	;p
22:20	DreadKnight	you've been missing out a lot of good stuff since you fled from IRC, RebeccaBitcoin
22:20	mircea_popescu	yeah. britney died, mj died,
22:20	mircea_popescu	sid vicious died,
22:20	mod6	:(
22:20	mircea_popescu	margaret thatcher got alzheimers, golda meir won the washington state beauty pageant
22:20	mircea_popescu	(for old horses)
22:21	RebeccaBitcoin	As for how is this place nerdy: you want me to upload GPG keys, talk to some robot named gribble... and use IRC
22:21	mircea_popescu	;;google trilema i'll pay for your tits
22:21	gribble	I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/>; Iunie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/06>; They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/>
22:21	mircea_popescu	you can also write hex on your tits for bitcoin.
22:21	DreadKnight	isn't cli considered one of the most nerdiest things? besides compiling and editing config files...
22:21	mircea_popescu	DreadKnight not having a gf is considered the most nerdiest thing.
22:22	DreadKnight	erm xD
22:22	RebeccaBitcoin	You know who's not a nerd. Vitalik
22:22	RebeccaBitcoin	hahahaha
22:22	mircea_popescu	did you snort ?
22:22	RebeccaBitcoin	Its hard not to when laughing at that pic
22:22	mircea_popescu	buckteeth ?
22:23	dub	newbet: buttcoin <$500 by august
22:23	mircea_popescu	scam.
22:24	DreadKnight	3 days left, don't see it happen
22:24	mircea_popescu	;;8ball wouldja hit on RebeccaBitcoin ?
22:24	gribble	About as likely as pigs flying.
22:24	RebeccaBitcoin	;p
22:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.000803 = 19.1917 BTC [-] {2}
22:28	BingoBoingo	!up RebeccaBitcoin
22:28	RebeccaBitcoin	thankyou
22:31	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin so what do you do for a living ?
22:33	RebeccaBitcoin	Micky D's. I started on the fry station, but after about 10 years Ronald promoted me to drive thru.
22:34	mircea_popescu	you know lieing is a sin.
22:34	DreadKnight	it was funny though
22:35	RebeccaBitcoin	Just because I omitted that I also gave him a blow job doesn't mean I lied ;p
22:37	Duffer1	i think i saw that on pornhub once
22:37	RebeccaBitcoin	haha
22:37	DreadKnight	a dude blowing another dude? gay
22:38	RebeccaBitcoin	I am a web designer
22:38	kakobrekla	do you have a portfolio online
22:38	RebeccaBitcoin	no
22:38	mircea_popescu	(he probably is looking to hire one)
22:38	kakobrekla	tempted to bash it.
22:39	RebeccaBitcoin	good plan
22:39	DreadKnight	you can't be a web designer without portfolio
22:40	DreadKnight	means starving artist
22:40	cazalla	or another transgender on disability
22:40	RebeccaBitcoin	You didn't ask if I have a portfolio. You asked if I have a portfolio online.
22:40	BingoBoingo	Well, you'd assume the web design portfilo be online...
22:40	decimation	do you find the kyriarchy oppressive?
22:41	BingoBoingo	Unless the clients already all replaced the designs
22:41	DreadKnight	you don't ask a web designer for *online* portfolio, he assumes that
22:41	RebeccaBitcoin	You would assume that, however I value my clients' privacy.
22:41	kakobrekla	RebeccaBitcoin clay tablets not much of use.
22:41	DreadKnight	argh, you beat me to it, BingoBoingo
22:41	mircea_popescu	<decimation> do you find the kyriarchy oppressive? << should porolly be #b-a motto
22:42	DreadKnight	RebeccaBitcoin, it's not the issue if you value that crap, the issue is you don't get clients if you don't have one, unless in a few cases
22:42	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin one'd think people hiring web designers are into publicity rather than privacy.
22:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00080051 = 15.0896 BTC [-]
22:43	RebeccaBitcoin	you might think that
22:44	DreadKnight	http://www.behindtheblueline.ca/blog/blueline/wp-content/uploads/troll.jpg
22:44	RebeccaBitcoin	;p
22:45	kakobrekla	who is the troll?
22:45	asciilifeform	and who the hell is vitalik?
22:45	RebeccaBitcoin	hahaha
22:45	DreadKnight	what is love?
22:45	RebeccaBitcoin	google images vitalik
22:45	cazalla	DreadKnight, you would have trolls starve?
22:45	kakobrekla	asci the brains behind etherum
22:45	asciilifeform	aha him
22:46	DreadKnight	cazalla, no :( such artwork
22:46	asciilifeform	thiel grant fellow
22:46	RebeccaBitcoin	the true brains behind ethereum is whoever conned people into handing over 7000 bitcoin
22:46	cazalla	RebeccaBitcoin, you bought some though
22:46	asciilifeform	7000 - that's grandmaster level chumpatronics
22:47	RebeccaBitcoin	I did, sadly before I saw mircea's 5000 ether offer
22:47	cazalla	double down
22:48	decimation	ascii it seems this scheme is designed to recruit chumps to run the chumpatron
22:48	kakobrekla	just wait until she realizes portfolio should be put online
22:48	asciilifeform	decimation: as with any professional-grade chumpatronic circuit.
22:49	DreadKnight	kakobrekla, haha, that would be progress
22:49	RebeccaBitcoin	I think there is a good chance I'll be able to flip it, like most scamcoins
22:49	kakobrekla	yeah find the next sucker.
22:49	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform derp who did "bitcoin magazine" copyediting for a short interval right after it was stolen from its previous owners by a bitpay-led alliance
22:49	RebeccaBitcoin	and no dickbrains, my portfolio is intentionally not online
22:50	mircea_popescu	then as that sunk moved on to bizarre shilling of quantum computing and assorting other scams
22:50	DreadKnight	"scamcoin" wonder if there would be people actually buying such a coin xD
22:50	mircea_popescu	now doing eth.
22:50	asciilifeform	wait he's the one with the grover's algo piece, isn't he
22:50	kakobrekla	do i get to see the clay tablets if i come for a visit?
22:50	mircea_popescu	otherwise, teenager with no education, no value and no prospects entertaining delusions of self importance. the andreoderpulous school of nothing.
22:50	RebeccaBitcoin	sure
22:51	RebeccaBitcoin	Education is overrated
22:51	RebeccaBitcoin	especially in north america
22:52	kakobrekla	sez bagholder.
22:52	DreadKnight	America likes to train slaves and tell them they're free
22:52	DreadKnight	either as a college graduate with huge debts or being in jail
22:52	asciilifeform	RebeccaBitcoin: you're a friend of vitalik b.? i'm rather curious to learn how to simulate grover's algo on a classical cpu.
22:53	DreadKnight	or part of Uncle Sam
22:53	RebeccaBitcoin	asci I think you've misread my comments about him
22:53	asciilifeform	in polynomial time.
22:53	asciilifeform	so, not a friend ?
22:54	RebeccaBitcoin	never met him in person
22:54	RebeccaBitcoin	and no, not a friend
22:55	RebeccaBitcoin	time to try this gribble crap again
22:55	RebeccaBitcoin	;;eregister RebeccaBitcoin 2DE03C7C54AF3F42
22:55	gribble	Request successful for user RebeccaBitcoin, hostmask RebeccaBitcoin!461a7a92@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.70.26.122.146. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2DE03C7C54AF3F42
22:55	RebeccaBitcoin	omg it worked
22:56	asciilifeform	;;rate RebeccaBitcoin 1 new blood
22:56	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
22:56	RebeccaBitcoin	wait
22:56	RebeccaBitcoin	not fully done yet
22:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00080001 = 25.6403 BTC [-] {2}
22:56	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin i knew a chick that did the same "flipping" thing. her : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/internet-story/
22:56	assbot	Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
22:56	mircea_popescu	it... didn't work out so well on the mid term.
22:59	asciilifeform	!up RebeccaBitcoin
22:59	decimation	asciilifeform: you might find this site interesting: http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30 < poor-man's global lightning strike detection network
22:59	assbot	Blitzortung.org – lightning map USA, Canada – thunderstorms and lightning strikes
23:00	asciilifeform	decimation: interesting in so far as the detector (http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page=2) could be configured instead to detect... other things
23:01	asciilifeform	a 'crowd' spectrum analyzer, that would be something to write home about.
23:01	decimation	yeah, I agree. there are several designs for different bearing detection systems
23:01	asciilifeform	FedsAroundMe.
23:02	RebeccaBitcoin	;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971]
23:02	gribble	Error: "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971" is not a valid command.
23:02	RebeccaBitcoin	;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971
23:02	gribble	Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
23:02	RebeccaBitcoin	;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971]
23:02	asciilifeform	RebeccaBitcoin: snip off the squarebrackets
23:02	gribble	Error: "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971" is not a valid command.
23:02	RebeccaBitcoin	ok
23:02	asciilifeform	no quotes
23:02	RebeccaBitcoin	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971
23:02	decimation	if you spend any time listening to police radios (those that aren't encrypted - which is most these days) you realize that the cops use regular mobile phones for the most sensitive stuff
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23:02	RebeccaBitcoin	yay
23:02	asciilifeform	;;rate RebeccaBitcoin 1 new blood
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23:03	RebeccaBitcoin	awesome, so I can chat now without having to as assbot for permission?
23:03	RebeccaBitcoin	ask*
23:03	asciilifeform	aye
23:03	Duffer1	auth then msg assbot !up
23:03	RebeccaBitcoin	cool
23:03	Duffer1	msg gribble to auth btw :P
23:04	RebeccaBitcoin	I alraedy did that didn't i
23:04	RebeccaBitcoin	you mean each time I log in
23:04	Duffer1	right
23:04	asciilifeform	decimation: radio sets that use 'trunking' sometimes transmit even when no one is speaking. so you can still 'feds-around-me.'
23:05	decimation	yeah being able to de-multiplex the trunking system while simultaneously calculating bearings would not be a simple task
23:05	RebeccaBitcoin	I have a question for mircea
23:05	asciilifeform	decimation: no need to demultiplex. just look for who is putting out rf
23:05	asciilifeform	at the officially allocated frequencies
23:05	asciilifeform	and where.
23:06	Duffer1	paging mircea_popescu to the desk
23:06	RebeccaBitcoin	do you ever worry that the US will try to arrest you, with the help of Romania, for your "illegal securities" with magical internet money?
23:06	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 hm ?
23:06	Duffer1	<RebeccaBitcoin> I have a question for mircea
23:06	mircea_popescu	RebeccaBitcoin no.
23:06	RebeccaBitcoin	really? Because they have arrested people in romania before, with the help of romania
23:06	RebeccaBitcoin	For credit card fraud and things
23:07	mircea_popescu	my lot is not to worry, my lot is to preemptive strike.
23:07	decimation	well for that you can use the old-school "sniffer": http://www.optoelectronics.com/#!spectrum-scout/cpvx
23:07	asciilifeform	decimation: idea was, a distributed network thereof.
23:07	asciilifeform	decimation: like that lightning strike map.
23:08	mircea_popescu	and speaking of eastern yurp, http://31.media.tumblr.com/626f978651d94de22ffc020339f1bf42/tumblr_mlk3amzTnP1qlne6uo1_500.jpg
23:08	decimation	yeah that's an interesting idea, I think it would take alot of work to filter out stuff not-of-interest
23:08	asciilifeform	decimation: no need to filter anything at the receiver end. just plot the whole range of the scanner node.
23:09	decimation	like the amplitude of the frequency spectrum across a wide band?
23:10	asciilifeform	correct.
23:10	decimation	yeah it would be neat to have a distributed, public network of that kind of thing.
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23:12	decimation	poor-man's substitute: single channel shortwave receivers available on-demand: http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/ and http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
23:12	assbot	GlobalTuners - On-line remotely controlled tuners
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23:13	decimation	the twente one has your live spectrogram
23:13	RebeccaBitcoin	cool its crashing
23:14	decimation	heh you can hear the "buzzer" on 4.625 MHz
23:15	decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76
23:15	assbot	UVB-76 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:21	asciilifeform	decimation: http://priyom.org/military-stations/russia/monolyth-messages-description.aspx
23:21	assbot	Monolyth messages description Priyom.org Number Stations Research
23:21	asciilifeform	russia traditionally uses traditional dead tree codebooks.
23:21	asciilifeform	as in, 19th c. state of the art.
23:22	asciilifeform	(this is not news)
23:24	decimation	interesting, thanks for the link. Here's some unusual UVB-76 transmissions you can probably understand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyKEEDQzt7c
23:24	assbot	UVB-76 Buzzer new message format 2013-24-26january mystery - YouTube
23:28	asciilifeform	decimation: nothing useful to understand - military alphabet plus numeric codes.
23:28	asciilifeform	aka english 'whiskey, tango, foxtrot' etc
23:28	decimation	interesting
23:29	asciilifeform	without the codebook, it's just random crud.
23:29	mircea_popescu	russians at least have the common sense to use erika
23:29	mircea_popescu	and other girls names
23:31	decimation	In the ww-ii era the US used mostly first names instead of the nato alphabet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Army/Navy_Phonetic_Alphabet
23:31	assbot	Joint Army/Navy Phonetic Alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:31	asciilifeform	decimation: funnily that's the one that was taught to me
23:31	decimation	interestingly, all male names though...
23:32	decimation	the international standard is now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet
23:32	assbot	NATO phonetic alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:33	RebeccaBitcoin	why did I need to do the !up thing again
23:33	RebeccaBitcoin	I thought you guys vouched for me or whatever
23:33	decimation	if you listen to the amateur radio bands using that uni. of twente receiver you will hear plenty of "non-standard" phoentics being used
23:33	asciilifeform	RebeccaBitcoin: we all have to self-up periodically
23:35	Duffer1	when an authed person !up someone it only lasts 30mins, once you're authed you can !up yourself
23:35	Duffer1	it lasts much longer
23:35	RebeccaBitcoin	ah
23:35	RebeccaBitcoin	fancy
23:36	decimation	interestingly a ham radio operator knew about the invasion of the falklands before HMG knew what was going on: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6514011.stm
23:36	assbot	BBC NEWS | UK | How BBC man scooped invasion news
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