| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bc,stats |
| 00:02 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 315850 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 661 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23348390265.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.34166 |
| 00:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00072323 = 12.8373 BTC [-] |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bc,diff |
| 00:04 |
gribble |
Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command. |
| 00:04 |
Blazedout419 |
mircea_popescu you just rent and point them where you want |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
;;nethash |
| 00:04 |
gribble |
167538378.251 |
| 00:04 |
Blazedout419 |
they have a web interface to add pools etc.. |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
| 00:05 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 129090.06 in 1979 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.13 |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133E10 * 1878190.93 |
| 00:05 |
gribble |
Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) |
| 00:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35801 @ 0.00072733 = 26.0391 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133 * 10 **10 * 1878190.93 |
| 00:05 |
gribble |
1594904761117739088609280 |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 167538378.251 / 1.9729645940577133 / 10 **10 * 1878190.93 |
| 00:05 |
gribble |
15949.0476112 |
| 00:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.01284889 = 0.938 BTC [+] {6} |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so like 16th for atc ? srsly ?! |
| 00:07 |
* |
Blazedout419 51%s it |
| 00:08 |
Blazedout419 |
Can ATC be merge mined? |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
| 00:09 |
Blazedout419 |
that is probably the best route for it |
| 00:09 |
decimation |
wow almost 20% diff change |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it got raped. |
| 00:10 |
decimation |
some environmental concern troll should write a blog about how asic mining will make the blockchain green, because it will be more thermally efficient |
| 00:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i look forward to the day random derps all over the us can't afford internet derpage anymore because bitcoin competition has made electricity too expensive. |
| 00:11 |
decimation |
heh. what they don't 'fairly' compare is the cost of transacting business in usd |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: lol, why would anyone mine in usa |
| 00:12 |
decimation |
in some states the electric rates might be competitive, but then you pays your taxes... |
| 00:12 |
decimation |
I know a guy who was mining in hawaii with $0.3 kWh rates |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
why build what will later be confiscated, nationalized. |
| 00:14 |
decimation |
maybe you think you can 'time' the arrival of the NKVD |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
if 'wisdom is getting on the train one day before everybody else' (TM) - folly is 'trying to get on the train exactly one day before everybody else.' |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
re: user interface << a 'clean ui' doesn't mean what people often think it means. e.g. a lathe has three knobs. what could be simpler. and yet. |
| 00:19 |
decimation |
hopefully we can be on the same gasenwagen to the sharashka then ascii :) |
| 00:22 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah I think of moldbug's post on hubristic user interfaces when I think of bad UI |
| 00:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19897 @ 0.00072951 = 14.5151 BTC [+] |
| 00:22 |
asciilifeform |
there are at least as many ways for bad ui as for bad food |
| 00:24 |
BingoBoingo |
;;tslb |
| 00:24 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 14 minutes and 24 seconds |
| 00:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9507 @ 0.00073062 = 6.946 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22591 @ 0.00073141 = 16.5233 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1873 @ 0.00073169 = 1.3705 BTC [+] |
| 00:42 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 00:42 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.18 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 00:45 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.36 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 00:51 |
BingoBoingo |
%tslb |
| 00:51 |
atcbot |
1 minutes and 25 seconds |
| 00:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00073331 = 39.2321 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:52 |
BingoBoingo |
%d |
| 00:52 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 117934.75 in 1978 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.72 |
| 00:53 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 00:53 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.83 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 00:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00073341 = 6.8941 BTC [+] |
| 00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Blazedout419: I guess this rent a rig can work |
| 00:57 |
Blazedout419 |
Indeed it works well |
| 00:57 |
Blazedout419 |
%p |
| 00:57 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 00:57 |
Blazedout419 |
wow all the 50TH are rented now |
| 00:57 |
Blazedout419 |
we about to see 200TH?!?! |
| 00:58 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno, I only rented 1.4 |
| 00:58 |
Blazedout419 |
ah |
| 00:58 |
BingoBoingo |
And only for 8.5 hours |
| 00:58 |
Blazedout419 |
someone rented a lot |
| 00:58 |
BingoBoingo |
But where is it pointed? |
| 00:58 |
Blazedout419 |
I need to move my miners and rent them out...pays a lot more |
| 00:59 |
Blazedout419 |
BingoBoingo no idea..people love to speculate |
| 01:09 |
BingoBoingo |
WHY is this pool paying me change when my hash is finding blocks!!! Mining is a scam!!! |
| 01:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Am I paying off ancient debts this pool owes to its loyal miners and all of their 0.03 Terahash? |
| 01:15 |
decimation |
yeah all of those miners except one would lose the tenant money (mining bitcoin) ... one wonders if there are 'other motivations' to mine... |
| 01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Mining already has me feeling dirty |
| 01:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20809 @ 0.00073218 = 15.2359 BTC [-] {3} |
| 01:20 |
decimation |
mining returns about 25 satoshis per megahash per day, prices start at 28.5 satoshi per megahash per day for daily terms... |
| 01:21 |
Blazedout419 |
Every new miner sold will not likely ROI or turn a profit...yet they sell out over and over |
| 01:21 |
Blazedout419 |
Makes you wonder |
| 01:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, this is ATC if that makes any difference |
| 01:25 |
decimation |
yeah I guess if you can mine altcoin it might make more sense |
| 01:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18070 @ 0.00072978 = 13.1871 BTC [-] |
| 01:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6423 @ 0.00072951 = 4.6856 BTC [-] |
| 01:27 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: I just did rent X hash for Y time and pointed it at a pool. Have no idea how the pool figures payouts |
| 01:29 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
1,077,310,518 DOGE have been burned for XDP = $147,063.66 |
| 01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
xdp? |
| 01:30 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
dogeparty |
| 01:30 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/dogecoin-community-burning-currency-dogeparty/2014/08/14 |
| 01:30 |
assbot |
Dogecoin Community Burning Currency for Dogeparty » CryptoCoinsNews |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
hey that's enough to keep a guy afloat in bsas for a few months at least |
| 01:31 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
mhmm |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
urge |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
to scam |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
rising |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
must |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
retain |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
integrity |
| 01:33 |
nubbins` |
hmm |
| 01:35 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39zKhsT5naI&list=RDCwrIXCItNgs#t=63 |
| 01:35 |
assbot |
Lazerhawk - So Far Away - YouTube |
| 01:35 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 01:35 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39zKhsT5naI&list=RDCwrIXCItNgs#t=63 |
| 01:35 |
assbot |
Lazerhawk - So Far Away - YouTube |
| 01:35 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 01:37 |
nubbins` |
;;notes |
| 01:37 |
gribble |
I currently have notes waiting for aldur1, benkay, birdman, bitcodernoob, coinfire, D-Dimer, davetherave, dotcoin, eggbot, everyone, jcpham, Kingdom, mariogrip, mexual, mike_c, netsplit, nubbins, pete_dushenki, randywaterhouse, Retro, RetroUpriser, Rozal, the, ThickasTheives, thickasthieves, TimSwanson, trustedcoinhu, tysat, vexual, and yotagada. |
| 01:37 |
nubbins` |
;;notes nubbins |
| 01:37 |
gribble |
Sent 2 days, 2 hours, and 53 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> fap to this http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/08/12/the_sec_s_antimodern_logo_evokes_southern_tradition_authenticity.html |
| 01:37 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 01:38 |
benkay |
;;ping |
| 01:38 |
gribble |
pong |
| 01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
well that was anticlimactic |
| 01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
hm |
| 01:38 |
dotcoin |
;;ping |
| 01:38 |
gribble |
pong |
| 01:39 |
dotcoin |
ho ho ho |
| 01:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00072486 = 14.3885 BTC [-] |
| 01:39 |
everyone |
;;ping |
| 01:39 |
gribble |
pong |
| 01:39 |
benkay |
well there's a neat little hole in gribble |
| 01:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00072442 = 9.0915 BTC [-] |
| 01:40 |
benkay |
;;ident davetherave |
| 01:40 |
gribble |
Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. |
| 01:40 |
benkay |
;;gpg info davetherave |
| 01:40 |
gribble |
No such user registered. |
| 01:40 |
benkay |
;;gpg info randywaterhouse |
| 01:40 |
gribble |
No such user registered. |
| 01:40 |
benkay |
;;bcinfo randywaterhouse |
| 01:40 |
gribble |
Error: "bcinfo" is not a valid command. |
| 01:40 |
benkay |
hm |
| 01:41 |
thickasthieves |
;;ping |
| 01:41 |
gribble |
pong |
| 01:42 |
ben_vulpes |
nanotube: ^^ you probably know about this one but have a bit of disclosure anyways |
| 01:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00273289 = 0.6149 BTC [-] {5} |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> decimation: I just did rent X hash for Y time and pointed it at a pool. Have no idea how the pool figures payouts << you mining atc or btc ? |
| 01:52 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: ATC |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> hey that's enough to keep a guy afloat in bsas for a few months at least << the theory that doge is worth dollars, as in over 1, is still lulzy. |
| 01:53 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo anyway the idea of a pool is that you share your stuff |
| 01:53 |
BingoBoingo |
So far for contributing 99%+ of the hash that solved 2 blocks I recieved... 24 ATC... P2Pool powered pools are weird |
| 01:53 |
mircea_popescu |
so you don't get any credit for what you find, merely for the hashes. |
| 01:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i wouldn't bother with a pool for atc tbh |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
| 01:54 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 01:55 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I'd rather not have some shady rented hash pointed directly at my altcoind |
| 01:55 |
dignork |
BingoBoingo: it's normal, you get payouts delayed, protection mechanism to avoid pool hopping or w/e |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ah dignork has a point, you'll get more later prolly. |
| 01:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, since you're using friendly ppl i wouldn't much expect actual scam |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
tho thinking about it i dun recall who's running coinminer |
| 01:57 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
| 01:57 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 120772.86 in 1977 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.57 |
| 01:57 |
BingoBoingo |
I think just whatever altcoin person running pools that found Altcoin on the forum first |
| 01:57 |
mircea_popescu |
you know you only could have found 1 block |
| 01:57 |
mircea_popescu |
it was 78 earlier |
| 01:58 |
dignork |
BingoBoingo: for 8 hours run i'm not sure it's worth it, but it's actually pretty easy to set a temp stratum server, and point miners there. |
| 01:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Both happened after I fired this thing up and the pool's previous hash was 0.03 Th/s |
| 01:58 |
dignork |
basically mine solo |
| 01:58 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo how much didja pay for the 8 hours ? |
| 01:59 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: 0.015 BTC, It's a loss, but an educational one. |
| 01:59 |
mircea_popescu |
quite educational. |
| 01:59 |
mircea_popescu |
8 hours 1.6th ? |
| 02:00 |
BingoBoingo |
The rig advertises 1.4, but it's been reporting ~1.32-1.55, not very stable this beast |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
%p] |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
| 02:00 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.55 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 0.015 * 3 * 90 |
| 02:00 |
gribble |
4.05 |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
it's really not so bad. |
| 02:01 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen thickasthieves |
| 02:01 |
gribble |
thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 minutes and 30 seconds ago: <thickasthieves> ;;ping |
| 02:02 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck is that possible, i dun see him |
| 02:02 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: what was the hashrate? |
| 02:02 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Before or after I rented this? |
| 02:02 |
mircea_popescu |
was ~0 lol |
| 02:03 |
decimation |
I mean of the rig you rented |
| 02:03 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: 1.4 TH/s |
| 02:04 |
decimation |
;;calc (0.015*3)/1.4e6 |
| 02:04 |
gribble |
Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1) |
| 02:06 |
decimation |
so 32 satoshis per day per megahash, not a bad price |
| 02:07 |
mircea_popescu |
bout what Blazedout419 list was showing |
| 02:08 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: That's where I rented it |
| 02:08 |
mircea_popescu |
ah k |
| 02:13 |
decimation |
the lesson is that if you have access to mining hardware your best move is to rent it out, not use it for your own hashing |
| 02:21 |
nubbins` |
[03:11:08] benkay is now known as thickasthieves |
| 02:21 |
nubbins` |
[03:11:09] <+thickasthieves> ;;ping |
| 02:32 |
pete_dushenski |
well howdy |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
heyu |
| 02:34 |
pete_dushenski |
had a fun evening out with another couple |
| 02:35 |
pete_dushenski |
apparently i was on such a roll, putting other canadian boy in his place, that i've earned the title "sassbot" |
| 02:35 |
pete_dushenski |
we already have assbot, so why not? |
| 02:36 |
pete_dushenski |
nao i just need to sort out what sassbot, the real bot that is, can do for b-a... |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!up lordbunson |
| 02:38 |
pete_dushenski |
As an outsider, it is (anthropologically) interesting to watch a bunch of (predominantly) white (predominantly) Americans (and Canadians) purport to claim that an interesting payment protocol will solve world peace, governmental overreach, and all the other ills of modernity. << as an insider, i find his use of brackets (fucktarded) |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck are bitcoiners predominantly north us ? |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"as a derp bathing in the lake, i find it interesting to pretend like the lake fauna is pretending to be the whole world. anthropologically!" |
| 02:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"i don't speak anything but english and english is mostly spoken in north america. i find this statistically interesting!" |
| 02:41 |
pete_dushenski |
"as a man stewed in the secular religion of science, let me share with you its inner workings" |
| 02:42 |
pete_dushenski |
"having completed an undergrad degree in north americanism, i'm uniquely qualified" |
| 02:43 |
mircea_popescu |
"let me tell you what i think of all the things i know nothing about. it's the reddinternet!" |
| 02:44 |
pete_dushenski |
"as long as i have my keyboard, i have my freedom and justice will prevail" |
| 02:48 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/500404503980806144 |
| 02:48 |
assbot |
Meet Gavin Andresen, the Most Powerful Person in the World of Bitcoin http://t.co/vIOaxSoN3x >/techreview |
| 02:48 |
pete_dushenski |
it really doesn't get much lulzier |
| 02:50 |
pete_dushenski |
other than, perhaps, another derp knocking pgp… moments before stepping down from eff |
| 02:50 |
pete_dushenski |
https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/certificate-transparency-for-pgp/ |
| 02:50 |
assbot |
certificate transparency for PGP? | discrete blogarithm |
| 02:52 |
pete_dushenski |
also http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html?m=1 |
| 02:52 |
assbot |
A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP? |
| 02:52 |
pete_dushenski |
usg guns ablazin' ! |
| 02:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00072448 = 7.5708 BTC [+] {2} |
| 02:55 |
pete_dushenski |
"If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP." << fucking golden |
| 02:57 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski you know the cryptoderpengineering thing was linked 2x |
| 02:57 |
mircea_popescu |
including that quote :D |
| 02:57 |
pete_dushenski |
;;later tell jgarzik you gotta be fucking kidding me with this shit (https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/500224384536412160). who the fuck are you fooling with this malicious derpage? |
| 02:57 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 02:57 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: well now i do lol |
| 02:58 |
pete_dushenski |
still only at 0:51 on today's logs! |
| 02:58 |
pete_dushenski |
my apologies |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 03:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18091 @ 0.00072398 = 13.0975 BTC [-] |
| 03:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20826 @ 0.00072495 = 15.0978 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18707 @ 0.0007257 = 13.5757 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:24 |
pete_dushenski |
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/08/15/german-startup-says-its-new-chip-halves-bitcoin-mining-energy/?mod=rss_Technology << uhuh |
| 03:24 |
assbot |
German Startup Says Its New Chip Halves Bitcoin Mining Energy - Digits - WSJ |
| 03:26 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/15/us-china-tibet-idUSKBN0GF13V20140815 |
| 03:26 |
assbot |
China opens $2-billion extension of controversial Tibet railway| Reuters |
| 03:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 341 @ 0.001585 = 0.5405 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:42 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
| 03:42 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 126204.18 in 1974 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.28 |
| 03:42 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
| 03:42 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 03:50 |
|
Bet placed: 2.40099999 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 89(Y):11(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.71088674 BTC. Current weight: 10,679. |
| 03:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13034 @ 0.00072584 = 9.4606 BTC [+] |
| 04:00 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ |
| 04:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.libertyroundtable.com/2010/03/30/bonds-what-bonds/ << the problem with this nonsense is that while the bonds do in fact in some very torturous sense make the kids "slaves", nevertheless the kids also get all the shit that the bonds bought. |
| 04:05 |
assbot |
Bonds? What Bonds? | Liberty RoundTable |
| 04:06 |
mircea_popescu |
like, kid doesn't have to go to the forest, cut logs and make a schoolhouse before he can have a basic math class. |
| 04:06 |
mircea_popescu |
same kid doesn't have to lay optic cable before he reads silly derpage on the internet. |
| 04:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so yeah, it's a give and take sort of deal. it only becomes problematic when fuckwits get a hold of the reins. |
| 04:07 |
mircea_popescu |
now if all these noob bloggers would learn to stop using disqus, the world would be such a much better place. |
| 04:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16089 @ 0.00072382 = 11.6455 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00072349 = 21.1259 BTC [-] |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 04:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4648 @ 0.00072349 = 3.3628 BTC [-] |
| 04:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00072349 = 8.2116 BTC [-] |
| 04:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00072349 = 7.1987 BTC [-] |
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~ 53 minutes ~ |
| 05:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00072568 = 14.9127 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 06:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00072587 = 12.0857 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 27 minutes ~ |
| 06:39 |
sgornick |
Who is cascadianhacker.com ? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html <-- Bandwidth Limit Exceeded |
| 06:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14508 @ 0.00072341 = 10.4952 BTC [-] {2} |
| 06:48 |
fluffypony |
sgornick: it's ben_vulpes' blog |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 07:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00072577 = 9.0721 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 07:31 |
mircea_popescu |
sgornick ben_vulpes |
| 07:44 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2479145 |
| 07:45 |
assbot |
Is the 52-Week High Momentum Strategy Profitable in the Foreign Exchange Market? by Ahmad Raza, Ben R. Marshall, Nuttawat Visaltanachoti :: SSRN |
| 07:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00072492 = 20.2978 BTC [-] {2} |
| 08:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00072386 = 9.9169 BTC [-] {2} |
| 08:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4668 @ 0.00072371 = 3.3783 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 08:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 325 @ 0.00159982 = 0.5199 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 08:49 |
nanotube |
ben_vulpes: yea, later tell is for casual messaging only. |
| 09:03 |
kakobrekla |
;;google blaze foley oval room |
| 09:03 |
gribble |
Blaze Foley, Oval Room - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRLc2O1xtYk>; Blaze Foley-Oval Room 1984 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuWmIpL2GLA>; Oval Room - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uahasx5h-qw> |
| 09:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.0005085 = 0.5085 BTC [+] |
| 09:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00072438 = 13.9805 BTC [+] |
| 09:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00072311 = 13.8837 BTC [-] {4} |
| 09:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5376 @ 0.00072247 = 3.884 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 39 minutes ~ |
| 10:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25303 @ 0.00072438 = 18.329 BTC [+] |
| 10:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00072398 = 12.8868 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 10:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9041 @ 0.00072435 = 6.5488 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 11:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20385 @ 0.00072398 = 14.7583 BTC [-] |
| 11:19 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.libertyroundtable.com/2014/01/29/tsa-harasses-police-chief-entire-police-department-fired |
| 11:20 |
assbot |
TSA Harasses Police Chief Entire Police Department Fired | Liberty RoundTable |
| 11:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.00152516 = 1.0676 BTC [-] {11} |
| 11:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7356 @ 0.00072453 = 5.3296 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:36 |
pankkake |
Apocalyptic: I fear your email server still doesn't handle greylisting properly :( also, setting up a SPF record would help you not getting greylisted |
| 11:36 |
pankkake |
thankfully I can cancel and retry after adding an exception |
| 11:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00072474 = 13.2627 BTC [+] |
| 12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76580864 BTC to 13`856 shares, 12744 satoshi per share |
| 12:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.64032636 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1447 satoshi per share |
| 12:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14474 @ 0.00072551 = 10.501 BTC [+] {2} |
| 12:06 |
pankkake |
Apocalyptic: nevermind, I finally got the mail |
| 12:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00072577 = 5.9513 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 37 minutes ~ |
| 12:48 |
diana_coman |
;;later tell mircea_popescu eulora crafting http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/16/boxy-and-his-leaky-bottle/ |
| 12:48 |
assbot |
Boxy and His Leaky Bottle in Ossasepia |
| 12:48 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 12:53 |
jurov |
<asciilifeform> [03:48:59] decimation: 'cardano, design and operation' will include a nicely whittled version of 4880. << done by nubbins` ? |
| 12:54 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: perhaps |
| 13:06 |
asciilifeform |
to the folks ddosing my site last night - nice work, but no cigar. |
| 13:06 |
copumpkin |
damn, I'll have to get a better botnet |
| 13:10 |
wyrdmantis |
asciilifeform, which is your site? |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
wyrdmantis: loper-os.org |
| 13:12 |
kakobrekla |
why would they ddos you? |
| 13:12 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: as if i knew. |
| 13:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26828 @ 0.00072588 = 19.4739 BTC [+] {2} |
| 13:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42380 @ 0.0007242 = 30.6916 BTC [-] {2} |
| 13:22 |
wyrdmantis |
http://www.amazon.com/The-Bitcoin-Bible-Benjamin-Guttmann/dp/3732284328 <<<--- is this useful in your opinion? a beginner asked me, i will not buy it. |
| 13:22 |
assbot |
The Bitcoin Bible: Benjamin Guttmann: 9783732284320: Amazon.com: Books |
| 13:24 |
punkman |
wyrdmantis: no |
| 13:25 |
wyrdmantis |
punkman ok, but why? |
| 13:25 |
wyrdmantis |
if you can tell me... :) |
| 13:26 |
punkman |
wyrdmantis: a simple heuristic is "does $author even WOT?" |
| 13:27 |
punkman |
!up darlidada |
| 13:28 |
wyrdmantis |
ahahhah, i already had the answer! thanks man |
| 13:28 |
wyrdmantis |
i'm learning bit a bits |
| 13:30 |
ben_vulpes |
<pete_dushenski> ;;later tell jgarzik you gotta be fucking kidding me with this shit (https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/500224384536412160). who the fuck are you fooling with this malicious derpage? << this "usable lib" shit is hysterical. look - if you need to use GPG programatically, shell the fuck out to it from whatever you're doing. specify a sane homedir or even better run your application as its own user so it gets its own |
| 13:30 |
ben_vulpes |
properly perm'd homedir. if none of the above makes sense, you don't know enough about how computers work to be fucking with gpg. luckily, you'll learn it over the course of a week writing your own wrapper. |
| 13:30 |
ben_vulpes |
if over the course of that week you haven't figured it out... |
| 13:31 |
ben_vulpes |
you a) can't read documentation and b) don't know how to ask questions. |
| 13:32 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: what's ben-ads written in? |
| 13:38 |
ben_vulpes |
clojure |
| 13:39 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell sgornick you've found my "who's paying attention to me honeypot"! you get a foxcoin |
| 13:39 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: 1377 lines of code, 2103 lines of tests |
| 13:47 |
kakobrekla |
yet its down 10% of the time? :D |
| |
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| 13:48 |
kakobrekla |
need moar tests! |
| 13:48 |
punkman |
need another 10kloc |
| 13:50 |
wyrdmantis |
bye bye guys |
| 13:53 |
BingoBoingo |
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/6/3/8/306638_v1.jpg |
| 13:56 |
ben_vulpes |
u funny kakobrekla |
| 13:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16172 @ 0.0007222 = 11.6794 BTC [-] {2} |
| 14:11 |
pankkake |
;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur |
| 14:11 |
gribble |
Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 387.0, Best ask: 394.99999999, Bid-ask spread: 8.00000, Last trade: 399.0, 24 hour volume: 71.63193613, 24 hour low: 370.0, 24 hour high: 400.0, 24 hour vwap: 380.18933299 |
| 14:12 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 14:12 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 14:16 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
| 14:16 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 315956 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 555 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 7 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23410296459.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.65543 |
| 14:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13463 @ 0.00072255 = 9.7277 BTC [+] |
| 14:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14730 @ 0.00072209 = 10.6364 BTC [-] |
| 14:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00072209 = 11.6618 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 36 minutes ~ |
| 15:05 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 15:05 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.28 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha mod6 you've been beat BY A GIRL ?!?!?! |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
wd diana_coman, the first eulora crafter. |
| 15:09 |
mthreat |
http://i.imgur.com/BwL1ofW.jpg |
| 15:09 |
mthreat |
(in Argentina) |
| 15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
alfajores! :D |
| 15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
they're nuts with those things, i've seen them advertised with lanky adolescent legs, with cars i think, |
| 15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
it's almost as if argentines think alfajores are mana. |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
| 15:13 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 135991.25 in 1968 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -92.76 |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo so your 1.5 bitcents bought like 10 blocks ? |
| 15:16 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: 11 |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 150000 / 11 / 512 |
| 15:16 |
gribble |
26.6335227273 |
| 15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
you actually got 5k atc to show for it ?! |
| 15:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, 1900 and more coming if this pools ever solves moar blocks. Apparently I get paid later |
| 15:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Should have just set up to solo |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm game. you're authorised to spend 1 btc mpif funds to rent atc hashpower, which includes cover for the prev 1.5 btc. |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
try an' get a good deal. |
| 15:20 |
BingoBoingo |
I'll shop around |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#comment-105428 << why are people so mean to me ;/ |
| 15:21 |
assbot |
The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo get something going meanwhile. |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
another few bitcents to keep that thing going won't be anyone's concern. maybe see if you can contact the rig owner or w/e. wriggle it in. |
| 15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and in any case have stuff ready to go once diff drops, keep it sort-of level. |
| 15:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00072321 = 15.2236 BTC [+] |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"It looked like a pile of numbered cubes as it bobbed gently and flew over the landscape and under the sea. It was Boxy and it had not a worry in the world nor in his head, for his head had holes shaped like one, two, three
But it had no purpose either and so it was in search of a purpose that he explored the whole land of Eulora a land that was just learning to be." |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ahah that is just great. |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
!up AndChat|679296 |
| 15:24 |
BingoBoingo |
dignork: How does this setting up a stratum server work? |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
and who's running coinminer again ? hey! you here ? |
| 15:27 |
BingoBoingo |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197906.0 |
| 15:27 |
assbot |
[Pool] _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_ 42 http://coinminer.net:19991/ |
| 15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
!up CS1980 |
| 15:28 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Sent him a PM on the forum |
| 15:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Hello CS1980 |
| 15:28 |
CS1980 |
hello everyone |
| 15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
for some reason i thought someone in the wot was running an atc pool. |
| 15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess i got confused. |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
CS1980 who're you ? |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197906.msg5870328#msg5870328 lol |
| 15:29 |
assbot |
[Pool] _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_ 42 http://coinminer.net:19991/ |
| 15:30 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: There's also Pity the Pool, but they... are reporting 0 hash |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
o, you mean even when you mine ? |
| 15:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Haven't mined it yet but I'll point a trickle there to see if they report anything... Once I make an account as I am nao |
| 15:34 |
diana_coman |
hello all |
| 15:34 |
diana_coman |
thanks mircea_popescu |
| 15:34 |
diana_coman |
any pointers to figure out atc? I have no idea on it, lol |
| 15:35 |
Chris_Sabian |
which part of ATC? |
| 15:35 |
diana_coman |
any part, I know nothing more about it than that I won 500 of it lol |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman it's just a direct btc clone, really. you can even use btc addresses for it. |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
%t |
| 15:35 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 5k High: 188 Low: 188 VWAP: 188 |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
| 15:36 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 135991.25 in 1968 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -92.76 |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
that'd be it ^ |
| 15:36 |
diana_coman |
uh oh, then...why ? I'm fine with btc, lol |
| 15:36 |
Chris_Sabian |
ThickAsThieves started it as a CoinGen bitcoin clone in late january 2014. people have been mining since then. they are worth about 200 satoshi |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman it's mostly a b-a insider joke. |
| 15:37 |
diana_coman |
mircea_popescu ahh, now I remember something from the logs, I had rather skipped it though so far as not-on-my-list |
| 15:37 |
diana_coman |
will go back and have a look, thanks |
| 15:38 |
Chris_Sabian |
not sure if there has been any development on atc or if there will ever be |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
well for instance you can play wol. |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
or you mean ON THE PROTOCOL ? |
| 15:39 |
Chris_Sabian |
either. |
| 15:39 |
Chris_Sabian |
i've heard of wol but never looked into it. |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
only altchain you can play wol on. |
| 15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
https://btc.waroflife.com/ |
| 15:40 |
assbot |
War of Life - Cellular automata to the death! |
| 15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/24/ this actually looks kinda pretty. |
| 15:40 |
assbot |
Game 24 - Death 4336 Life 5664 Year 1000 - War of Life |
| 15:49 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 15:49 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 15:49 |
mod6 |
not the predicted 93% of the broken bitcoin-asset bot. << dick. this number comes from atc.blockr.io |
| 15:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00072189 = 9.3846 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 he has a point, it doesn't move more than 4x either way on a recalibration |
| 15:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, PitythePool just doesn't work |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
however, it's purely academic. so it takes more blocks. same deal. |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo a fine mess! where is tat! :D |
| 15:55 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: maybe so. the bot just reports what it's handed. just trying to defend my code's honor so to speak. lol |
| 15:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Yes, where is Tat! |
| 16:04 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 16:04 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.19 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 16:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Emailed the PitythePool guy |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
!up railzand |
| 16:09 |
railzand |
Thank you Mr P. I'm the idiot who broke altcoin. I beg your forgiveness |
| |
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| 16:10 |
BingoBoingo |
railzand: What did you do? |
| 16:10 |
railzand |
I pointed 12.5 T at it on a stratum server |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
railzand lol hey, it's supposed to be tried out. |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
so point 12.5t at it again. |
| 16:13 |
ben_vulpes |
(and leave it there?) |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
well not rly, just, get diff more in line with mkt value |
| 16:13 |
railzand |
Is that my punishment? I am but a poor peon... |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
lol what, you rented it ? |
| 16:14 |
BingoBoingo |
;;gettrust railzand |
| 16:14 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user railzand: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=railzand | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=railzand | Rated since: never |
| 16:14 |
BingoBoingo |
railzand: Which stratum server was this? |
| 16:15 |
railzand |
Yes rented from a guy who knows how to do all that |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
well so did you actually make a profit ? |
| 16:16 |
railzand |
I made .2x real coin and 43000 alt |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds a little under my earlier estimate :o |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, so get the guy in question to come here. we were looking for someone to rent from anyway |
| |
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| 16:16 |
railzand |
ok |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!up X-Rob |
| 16:19 |
X-Rob |
Morning 8) |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
heya. who're you ? |
| 16:19 |
X-Rob |
Just a guy |
| 16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
| 16:19 |
railzand |
X-Rob saw me through the raping of altcoin |
| 16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
X-Rob so you're this guy http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798617 ? |
| 16:20 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 16:20 |
X-Rob |
Yeah |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
aite, so you got some hash to rent out ? |
| 16:22 |
X-Rob |
Yeah, I do! |
| 16:22 |
X-Rob |
https://leaserig.net/index.jsp?fprovider=xrobau&t=1 |
| 16:22 |
assbot |
LeaseRig.net - Mining Rigs - Rent and Lease Mining Rigs for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Altcoin Mining. |
| 16:22 |
kakobrekla |
laser rig! |
| 16:22 |
X-Rob |
However, full disclosure, etc, I'm the guy who caused all that shitstorm with that new unattainum scamcoin |
| 16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
lol totally. |
| 16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
what shitstorm was that ? |
| 16:22 |
X-Rob |
Excellent |
| 16:23 |
X-Rob |
Let's just leave it like that then |
| 16:23 |
X-Rob |
(that was the correct answer) |
| 16:23 |
mircea_popescu |
!s unattanium |
| 16:23 |
assbot |
0 results for 'unattanium' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=unattanium |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.google.com/search?q=unattanium+scamcoin&complete=0&gws_rd=ssl << i like it when .lk outranks tardstalk |
| 16:24 |
assbot |
unattanium scamcoin - Google Search |
| 16:24 |
X-Rob |
IT's actually Unattainium |
| 16:24 |
X-Rob |
an extra i |
| 16:25 |
X-Rob |
however, you can look through my bct ('xrobau') profile for me trying to argue with idiots. I gave up, however. |
| 16:25 |
railzand |
;;ident |
| 16:25 |
gribble |
Nick 'railzand', with hostmask 'railzand!sid39942@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjuerwktzpwyvmkj', is identified as user 'railzand', with GPG key id 449DCE0C3F3952EA, key fingerprint 1CFAF95FA34862FCD62A33A3449DCE0C3F3952EA, and bitcoin address None |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
X-Rob so just like mpoe-pr, two years later. |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, so it's either the 1.2 or the 12.7 rig ? |
| 16:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00072216 = 3.2497 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:26 |
X-Rob |
That's meant to be 13, but a couple of S2s are running slow |
| 16:27 |
X-Rob |
so I downspecced it. |
| 16:27 |
X-Rob |
and yes |
| 16:27 |
X-Rob |
I can organise larger hashrates if you want |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
what i actually want is like 2.x ish |
| 16:27 |
X-Rob |
2th? |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
something like that. |
| 16:28 |
X-Rob |
for how long? |
| 16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
but i guess the lower one would work. how'd you feel about a longer term deal ? willing to move on the price a little ? |
| 16:28 |
X-Rob |
Depends on how long you want it for |
| 16:29 |
X-Rob |
8) |
| 16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
something like 3 months |
| 16:29 |
X-Rob |
2th for 3 months. |
| 16:29 |
* |
X-Rob grabs a calculator |
| 16:30 |
kakobrekla |
if there isnt a significant discount you are better off to rehire every diff change hehe |
| 16:30 |
kakobrekla |
i mean btc diff change. |
| 16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
precisely. |
| 16:31 |
X-Rob |
OK |
| 16:31 |
X-Rob |
http://www.evolyn.net/bitcoin/mining_calc.php?version_major=2&version_minor=4&presents=none&h=1700&MinerPowerDrain=0&MinerCosts=0&MinerDeliveryTime=0&NetworkBlockHeight=315968&Difficulty=19729645940.577&DifChange0P=%2B10&DifChange0A=0&MiscUSDBTC=400&MiscUSDBTCChange0P=%2B10&MiscElectricityCosts=0.32&MiscCalculationLength=360&MiscShownIntervalLength=30&btn_st |
| 16:31 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Mining Calculator |
| 16:31 |
X-Rob |
artcalculate=true |
| 16:31 |
X-Rob |
Crap |
| 16:31 |
X-Rob |
Link's too long |
| 16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
we welcome your sausage donation. |
| 16:31 |
X-Rob |
that says 2 months = 2btc for 1.7 |
| 16:32 |
X-Rob |
I'm happy to lease for that |
| 16:32 |
X-Rob |
We can do it all through leaserig so you can control where it points |
| 16:32 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu and all other 'trinitron' aficionados: when you get the inevitable tube fade, do you boost the electron gun voltage? or bite the bullet and somehow conjure up a new (!) tube ? |
| 16:32 |
X-Rob |
3 months is.. unwise. |
| 16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
is laserig your thing ? |
| 16:32 |
X-Rob |
nah, I just rent my gear through there |
| 16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i use my displays incredibly low. |
| 16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
X-Rob well, i dun know em, i dun trust em, and we have a similar problem : you're not in the wot. |
| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
darkroom ? |
| 16:33 |
X-Rob |
mircea_popescu: uh I am? |
| 16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust X-Rob |
| 16:33 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user X-Rob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=X-Rob | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=X-Rob | Rated since: Mon May 16 20:47:55 2011 |
| 16:33 |
X-Rob |
you mean gribble? |
| 16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
| 16:33 |
X-Rob |
;;gettrust xrobau |
| 16:33 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user xrobau to user xrobau: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xrobau&dest=xrobau | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xrobau | Rated since: Thu Apr 4 18:48:30 2013 |
| 16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
yes but that's not how this thing works. |
| 16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess i should have said you're not in mine. |
| 16:34 |
X-Rob |
fair enough |
| 16:34 |
X-Rob |
well |
| 16:34 |
X-Rob |
I'm not anonymous. |
| 16:34 |
X-Rob |
I have a reputation thread |
| 16:34 |
X-Rob |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513500.0 |
| 16:34 |
assbot |
xrobau Reputation thread. |
| 16:34 |
kakobrekla |
i have a reputation dildo |
| 16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
now what was that, |
| 16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 200000000 / 1.7 / 60 / 24 / 3600 |
| 16:35 |
gribble |
22.6942628903 |
| 16:35 |
X-Rob |
I'm actually away at my inlaws this weekend |
| 16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
so like 2.269 satoshi/day or did i just broke the maths ? |
| 16:36 |
X-Rob |
and the kids are now up and want to play minecraft on the laptop |
| 16:36 |
X-Rob |
mircea_popescu: use the link I pasted |
| 16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
aite, so return later! |
| 16:36 |
X-Rob |
which is based on http://bit.ly/roi-s2 |
| 16:36 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Mining Calculator |
| 16:36 |
X-Rob |
jsut doubled |
| 16:36 |
X-Rob |
8) |
| 16:37 |
X-Rob |
anyway, toodles 8-) |
| 16:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00072159 = 12.3392 BTC [-] {2} |
| 16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah well that link doesn't have avalon 3 blades |
| 16:39 |
mod6 |
I guess I could just put a line in there to set the % est. diff change to -75% of less than that number is received from the source. |
| 16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 dun worry about it, it doesn't need fixing. |
| 16:40 |
mod6 |
ok thx. |
| 16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and of course the spec is a gnarly pos. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon3 anywhere from 310 to 410 w per o.o |
| 16:42 |
assbot |
Avalon3 - Bitcoin |
| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
still boggling mind at the newest pgp hatchet job. why the idiocy? or rather, why was it not cushioned in perfectly logical criticism of the spec (crufty; mandates support for hideously weak algos; etc) ? |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
almost enough to believe that the author is secretly on the side of the forces of good - i.e. he isn't genuinely trying to fool anyone |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
like the mythical einsatzgruppen kommando loading blank shells. |
| 16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform because they can't afford to pay smart people enough. |
| 16:45 |
asciilifeform |
can't afford - or won't prioritize ? |
| 16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
can.not.afford. |
| 16:45 |
mod6 |
that seems like a shitton of power for one chip mp O.o |
| 16:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23921 @ 0.00072431 = 17.3262 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 he has 6 of em. they're rated 280ish to 310ish ea |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
i bet that eth dump could've bought some talent. |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
(or, hell, $bignum printed bezzlars) |
| 16:46 |
mod6 |
huh |
| 16:48 |
* |
asciilifeform favours crackpot theory: the seekrit skvirels prefer to enlist 'pure blood aryans' and this is a painful constraint for them |
| 16:48 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
| 16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform that's provably false : if they did, you'd know what the definition of aryan is. |
| 16:50 |
asciilifeform |
definition of aryan << something like herr snowden |
| 16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
"something like" is not much of a definition. |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
american military tradition borrows heavily from the brits |
| 16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
orly. how did they manage to enlist a tranny then ? |
| 16:52 |
asciilifeform |
enlist a tranny << slightly different dynamic there. any street scum can enlist as a private |
| 16:52 |
asciilifeform |
i think they even removed the age limits recently |
| 16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
but... they gave him the keys. |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
'diplomatic' (intelligence) corps are still largely 'aryan' afaik |
| 16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
you're trying to sell this conceptual model where in alt-nazi germany one can be hung for being a jew ONLY IF working as a clerk. |
| 16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
but otherwise, all gravy. |
| 16:54 |
asciilifeform |
they gave him the keys << the anglos have a historic problem, in that they never invented политрукs |
| 16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
by its very nature aryan-ism has to be universal. |
| 16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
too painful cognitive dissonance otherwise. |
| 16:54 |
asciilifeform |
thus they have issues with quis custodiet ipsos custodes |
| 16:55 |
asciilifeform |
^ re: the conundrum of why a private has 'the keys' |
| 16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
For those that are unaware, Unattanium is a newish limited-number-of-coins SHA coin. They've recently had to fork the chain, because the difficulty calculations were broken, and it went far too high. Sadly, they've now broken it in the other direction, and the dev seems intent on ignoring this, and abusing or hand-waving the problems away. It's now running at an 8 second block time. For everyone who is NOT facepalming |
| 16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
right now, this is faster than blockchain propagation. Basically, it will be amazingly difficulty for the coin to agree on a valid chain, because there will be any number of chains that are almost the same length. |
| 16:55 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
what a gem. |
| 16:57 |
* |
asciilifeform returns, every time he thinks about any of this, to the Great Mystery of why our beloved phriends never, ever leak anything interestingly cryptological |
| 16:58 |
* |
asciilifeform wants to know wtf is in 'suite A' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323), how AES drips key bits, etc. |
| 16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
stan's wishlist :D |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
if wishes were atomic dirigibles, beggars would rain thermonuclear hell upon their enemies. |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
but in all seriousness, a leak history that favours tedious operational garbage and entirely omits the good stuff suggests 'hangout' |
| 17:01 |
diana_coman |
mircea_popescu how do I get my crafting prize and is there a time limit for that (to know how much time I have to figure out the basics of altcoin)? |
| 17:01 |
* |
asciilifeform regards hypothesis 'there is no good stuff' as unproven |
| 17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman no time limit. you post an address. |
| 17:02 |
diana_coman |
mircea_popescu great, thanks |
| 17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the stuff that was leaked so far mostly follows the "brain percentage" criterion. |
| 17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the stuff you want to know about, three people know. unless one of them is the source, it's not leaking. |
| 17:03 |
mod6 |
;;rate diana_coman 1 Won Eulora Crafting Prize |
| 17:03 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user diana_coman has been recorded. |
| 17:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: not necessarily. the inventor, of, say, 'joseki' is probably long dead - but a small army of monkeys (engineers, sw/hw production staff, auditors, etc) have access to 'the goods' - and they aren't leaking either. |
| 17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
small. |
| 17:04 |
BingoBoingo |
;;tslb |
| 17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
it's purely statistical, like say a biopsy. |
| 17:04 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 50 minutes and 36 seconds |
| 17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll find much less pituitary cells in a random biopsy than muscle tissue |
| 17:05 |
BingoBoingo |
^ Oh no, not BTC too!!! |
| 17:06 |
diana_coman |
;;rate mod6 1 graceful competitor for Eulora Crafting Prize |
| 17:06 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded. |
| 17:06 |
diana_coman |
mod6 thank you! |
| 17:08 |
asciilifeform |
at the risk of sounding like anatoliy golitsyn (infamous fellow who insists, even today, that ussr faked its own death) - the available, afaik, evidence suggests either terrible - or incredibly good - cryptology |
| 17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
this is pretty cool. |
| 17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform let me put it some other way. wouldn't you expect that if mp is conversant in pgp, so would be obama ? |
| 17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
so that people couldn't like, you knoiw, steal his selfies from his plaintext gmail acct ? |
| 17:09 |
asciilifeform |
obama - no. private cocksucker - also no. shadowfuhrer? sure. |
| 17:09 |
mod6 |
diana_coman: np! good work :) |
| 17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
oh shadowfuhrer is it. |
| 17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a contradiction in terms don't you know. |
| 17:10 |
* |
asciilifeform searches for a better term, involving puppets and strings |
| 17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
dr who ? |
| 17:10 |
asciilifeform |
let's say 'reptilian king' or the like. |
| 17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
so who was d. f. augustus' ? |
| 17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
the spirit of gaius ? |
| 17:12 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
you're possibly the most mystically inclined engineer i know. |
| 17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i foresee that when you;ll be old you'll write a great kids book. |
| 17:14 |
asciilifeform |
ahaha |
| 17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
for srs. |
| 17:14 |
asciilifeform |
nothing mystical about thinking like a proper armchair general and pondering the strength of the hidden column of enemy |
| 17:14 |
asciilifeform |
when the apparent column is so suggestive of 'ablative' cannon fodder tactic. |
| 17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the notion that there exists an unseen reality behind the seen reality, whether right or wrong, is the very substance of mysticism. |
| 17:16 |
asciilifeform |
for proper mysticism, the hidden side must be deemed 'unknowable' |
| 17:16 |
asciilifeform |
here is is merely unknown. |
| 17:17 |
asciilifeform |
it will make itself known, presumably, if it advances to the front line and 'fires' - but wouldn't it be great to know -before- ? |
| 17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
no, that's hermetism. |
| 17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
mysticism is an erryday activity. |
| 17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
it somewhat shares the fate of "frustration" in the hands of popidiocy. but outside of what the reddit horde thinks, frustration is a major psychological process, the fundament of all volitive activity. |
| 17:18 |
asciilifeform |
mysticism: 'the gods shall strike us down' pragmatic armchair generalship: 'that fellow might have a pen gun up his arse' |
| 17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the gods shall strike us down thing is mere eschatology. |
| 17:18 |
jurov |
is there a historical example of such a mastermind? |
| 17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lives on a different plane. |
| 17:19 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: perhaps i implied that a literal 'lizard king' lives. this is not a necessary hypothesis for a cryptologically-strong usa |
| 17:19 |
asciilifeform |
'lizard king' perhaps should be understood as 'set of remaining competent commanders' |
| 17:20 |
jurov |
that falls into mastermind definition too, you know |
| 17:20 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772890 |
| 17:20 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the sadest fate in the world would be for such a set to exist, ina bunker somewhere. |
| 17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
imagine if you went to hibernate like a bear, and when you came through all your shit was broken and unresponsive. |
| 17:20 |
asciilifeform |
aye. sorta like the japanese version of 'manhattan project' |
| 17:21 |
asciilifeform |
(they, if i recall, were actually on the right track, unlike germany) |
| 17:21 |
jurov |
how would the graybearded dude be able even remotely comprehend all the intelligence? |
| 17:21 |
jurov |
even mircea with all his minions says it's unlikely |
| 17:22 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: the hypothetical master doesn't need to. he just sorta sits there quietly and bakes pills against rsa; creates diddled but internationally-appealing block ciphers; etc |
| 17:23 |
jurov |
but you imply he needs to pull strings in addition to that |
| 17:23 |
asciilifeform |
he sits and plays 'tetris' on his handmade optical cpu |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform a brain devoid of spinal chord can not work. |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
the strings, in this hypothetical narrative, are pulled by another master - one of disinfo, whose purpose would then consist of shielding the former greybeard. |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
your "mastermind", provided he exists, is drunk and insane. |
| 17:24 |
jurov |
so now we know what stan's fapping to |
| 17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
lelz |
| 17:24 |
jurov |
handmade optical cpus |
| 17:25 |
assbot |
Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/13NWTKZ.txt ) |
| 17:25 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 6 |
| 17:25 |
asciilifeform |
this is, admittedly, merely a plausible - if fantastic - hypothesis. but one admitted by the known facts. -- like the nonphysical solution to a quadratic. |
| 17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not plausible. it is entertaining, but it lacks a fundamental point for plausibility : |
| 17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
it's unbalanced. |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
unbalanced ? |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 17:27 |
asciilifeform |
how's that |
| 17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
well let's see. suppose you have a wol game table. |
| 17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
while in principle any configuration is as possible as any other, the configuration you propose is mod2. ie, if the cell index is odd, cell is dead, if not, alive. |
| 17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not actually a possible outcome. |
| 17:28 |
asciilifeform |
this is known as a 'garden of eden state' |
| 17:28 |
asciilifeform |
(in cellular automata jargon) |
| 17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
it's what i mean by unbalanced. |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
if you take "meaning" as a rough equivalent for entalpy, your thing is too meaningful to exist. |
| 17:29 |
asciilifeform |
but how does this apply? my hypothetical is a historically-humdrum 'skunk works' scenario |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it's not. |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
your hypotethical is a brain in a jar separated from a pile of muscle in a barrel. |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
which both, independently, work, for the greater glory of theoretical abstraction |
| 17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
this is directly contradictory to how the world works, and specifically because your abstract objects tend to be contextless, which requires too large an expenditure of "meaning" for them to exist. |
| 17:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00072126 = 12.4417 BTC [-] |
| 17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
which makes jurov's fap observation quite on point : you're not describing a real, live human female here, you're describing a mythological beast abstracted out of miles of pr0nz reel. |
| 17:31 |
asciilifeform |
let's give them some context, then. picture scenario where the $maxint in u.s. cryptologic work actually resulted in something useful. but, so useful that, like a thermonuke, it isn't fit to trot out on just any everyday occasion. |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
how would this world's observables differ from the known observables? |
| 17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
well counterfactuals are problematic, but let's see if you can get painted into a corner. |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
please do |
| 17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
does this SU exist ? |
| 17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
(something useful) |
| 17:33 |
asciilifeform |
that's the hypothesis. what if yes ? |
| 17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
we are already accepting your hypothesis, im asking you q's as if your h was reality. |
| 17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
so admitting it exists. has it ever been used ? |
| 17:35 |
asciilifeform |
well then. suppose, bush sr., or whoever, circa '92, whenever, was informed of the discovery, in his fuhrerbunker. then he proclaims: 'let's get the people with valuable secrets to use rsa. how to do this?' |
| 17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
ah won';t you just play my oracle here ? |
| 17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
jus answer what i ask, see where we end up. |
| 17:35 |
asciilifeform |
i'd say it has not been used. waiting to the pig to get fatter, before slaughter. |
| 17:36 |
mircea_popescu |
so it's never been used. is it physically located ? |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
sure. 'indiana jones vault' or the like. |
| 17:36 |
mircea_popescu |
does everybody know about it ? |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
naturally not. |
| 17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
what keeps central government from investigating this vault as a possible alien landing site ? |
| 17:37 |
asciilifeform |
some small circle of people would be privy to it. |
| 17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
are they in power ? |
| 17:37 |
asciilifeform |
like the proverbial 'bomb codes'. |
| 17:38 |
asciilifeform |
'in power' in as much as anyone guarding something of value can be thought of as 'in power.' |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
but if they are not in power absolutely, what keeps central government from investigating this vault as a possible alien landing site ? |
| 17:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: familiar with the story of jimmy carter and 'area 51' known to the alien aficionados? |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
vaguely. |
| 17:38 |
asciilifeform |
it went entirely like the tale of gorbachev and andropov |
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| 17:38 |
asciilifeform |
and the soviet gdp. |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
tales tend to all go alike for the reason that they're tales. |
| 17:39 |
asciilifeform |
'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.' |
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| 17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless, my q needs an answer :D |
| 17:40 |
* |
asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't personally boot carter - or gorbached - from the goodies vault. but tale is plausible. compartmentalization of 'fun secrets' is generally easy because of the miniscule number of qualified thieves - that is, folks who apprehend the true value of the goods. |
| 17:41 |
mircea_popescu |
but the people doing it have to be in power. |
| 17:41 |
mircea_popescu |
without the "will be problems" rider this fizzles. |
| 17:41 |
asciilifeform |
more traditional question - who, if anyone, can pilfer a working nuke? |
| 17:41 |
asciilifeform |
and correctly put it to its intended use |
| 17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
you're doing the psychic thing now, where you try to flee the experiment. |
| 17:42 |
asciilifeform |
just trying to argue against 'nothing so valuable can exist, it would've been lifted by now' |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
that's not what i said at any point |
| 17:43 |
asciilifeform |
help me along then |
| 17:43 |
asciilifeform |
what's the experiment here |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
well, either the SU keepers are in (absolute) power, or else they are not. |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
if they are not, the number of problems that appear is overwhelming. |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
if they are, then they have had to have kept it historically. this is also overwhelming. |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
it neatly reduces to an argument pro deus. |
| 17:44 |
asciilifeform |
why this dichotomy. is it not possible for them to have absolute power to guard 'the goods' but not, say, to control other aspects of the world ? like any ordinary guard |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
no. power does not divide. |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
this is why the government needs both the power to kill people and the power to inflate the currency, |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
and this is why wrestling any away is enough to kill the thing. |
| 17:46 |
asciilifeform |
so, continuing with this lemma, the 'guard' is an impossibility because, were he to exist, he could trivially order his supposed superiors to disappear forever up their own arses, should he wish this? |
| 17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
basically. |
| 17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
now, in usual high fiction this is resolved as a bizarre order of sworn monks and so on |
| 17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
but mind ye that all through the middle ages about half the bastards were sons of monks. |
| 17:49 |
asciilifeform |
this is almost convincing re: the impossibility argument. but suppose the goods isn't a generic rsa pill, but something more akin to nuke. that is, oppenheimer & friends didn't run off to an island and form own kingdom, because their 'jewel' required astonishing resources to put into action (industrial empire) and not very useful on their own, on paper |
| 17:49 |
asciilifeform |
to make more concrete: |
| 17:49 |
asciilifeform |
say, a factoring algo that runs in polynomial time but with a stupidly large constant factor. |
| 17:50 |
asciilifeform |
i wouldn't imagine the 'sworn monks' can keep the lid on indefinitely - only thus far. as we've seen, they succeed in keeping the lid on 'suite a' & co. is the argument, then, that the pressure under the lid cannot be too high then ? |
| 17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform sure, but then <mircea_popescu> does everybody know about it ? |
| 17:51 |
asciilifeform |
let's give example from outside of cryptology |
| 17:52 |
asciilifeform |
it is generally known that the 20th c. 'holy grail' of nuke engineering was the so-called 'pure fusion' device. |
| 17:52 |
asciilifeform |
that is, requiring no fissile initiator |
| 17:52 |
asciilifeform |
official story is that both east and west expended astonishing resources on the problem - and, generally believed, that nothing came of this. |
| 17:53 |
asciilifeform |
if either side had tested a working pure fusion device, in the customary 'drilled well' method, the public would not necessarily have learned of the fact. |
| 17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
but <mircea_popescu> does this SU exist ? |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
someone, somewhere, may well possess the secret of how to build a thermonuke using the materials of ordinary electronics. |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
i do not know whether it exists. |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
but posit that it could, given observables. |
| 17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
!up MolokoDeck |
| 18:04 |
MolokoDeck |
wondering what method(s) you had in mind for placing arbitrary hashes into the blockchain. |
| 18:06 |
MolokoDeck |
i'm not sure a wallet API is adequate to sculpt transaction scripts to insert data. they're usually constrained to sending payments. bitcoind RPC calls would be needed for anything exotic. |
| 18:06 |
asciilifeform |
MolokoDeck: probably simplest solution: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 -- but can be trivially improved on. |
| 18:06 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. |
| 18:06 |
MolokoDeck |
I'll look into it. |
| 18:06 |
MolokoDeck |
clue. |
| 18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
MolokoDeck if the worst comes to worst, hash it into a bitcoin address and send there. |
| 18:11 |
MolokoDeck |
burn the minimum transaction fee/size sure. |
| 18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
you burn that anyway. |
| 18:11 |
MolokoDeck |
was considering something that popped an invalid address then dismissed it before doing the actual spend. sort of a address=hashdata, oops, address=actualwalletaddress |
| 18:12 |
MolokoDeck |
I'd have to look more into how the stack language handles that or whether that's even doable with the restricted opcode set. |
| 18:13 |
MolokoDeck |
ok. I'll keep looking into it. solutions exist. |
| 18:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1800 @ 0.00159967 = 2.8794 BTC [+] {3} |
| 18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
MolokoDeck actually i like the model whereby the actual string to certify is hashed as a privkey then made into a bitcoin address then have a little something sent there |
| 18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
because anyone can spend the something, and in so doing super-prove the whole charade. |
| 18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
basically we get a btc faucet built in. |
| 18:20 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoin scavenger hunts! |
| 18:20 |
ben_vulpes |
find the correct string, spend the btc! |
| 18:20 |
ben_vulpes |
has this been done? |
| 18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
not rly. |
| 18:21 |
ben_vulpes |
could be a neat implementation for your next cryptogram, mircea_popescu |
| 18:22 |
punkman |
there's been a few |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
MolokoDeck and also there's no cruft, perfectly standard tx, can use any webwallet, it's perfect. look no further, this is what i want. |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes i considered it but it'd kinda make it only 1 guy. |
| 18:22 |
punkman |
MolokoDeck: in case you didn't see this in the logs: https://github.com/maraoz/proofofexistence |
| 18:22 |
assbot |
maraoz/proofofexistence GitHub |
| 18:26 |
chetty |
<ben_vulpes> find the correct string, spend the btc!//souds better than rolling dice games :)) |
| 18:32 |
nubbins` |
^ XD |
| 18:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00072069 = 12.4679 BTC [-] |
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| 18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate X-Rob 1 splendid work on that derpcoin. https://bitcointa.lk/threads/unattanium-broken-by-design.351020/ so much lol. |
| 18:49 |
assbot |
Unattanium: Broken by design. | Bitcointa.lk |
| 18:49 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user X-Rob has been recorded. |
| 18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
!s cryptmarketcap.com |
| 18:52 |
assbot |
0 results for 'cryptmarketcap.com' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cryptmarketcap.com |
| 18:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20567 @ 0.00072098 = 14.8284 BTC [+] |
| 18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake what's the pool situation on atc ? |
| 18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell X-Rob say when you're back. |
| 18:59 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
!up X-Rob |
| 19:00 |
X-Rob |
I've been here |
| 19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ah hey. |
| 19:00 |
X-Rob |
Thanks 8) |
| 19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
so since i like you now, you can have 2 btc for the 2 month aus3 miner contract. |
| 19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
you happy with weekly payments ? |
| 19:01 |
X-Rob |
mircea_popescu: I'll be home in about 4 hours or so |
| 19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
(weekly advance payments) |
| 19:02 |
X-Rob |
I'll set it up with you them |
| 19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
| 19:02 |
X-Rob |
mircea_popescu: sign up with a lease rig account |
| 19:02 |
X-Rob |
They do all that stuff for me |
| 19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
but i dun wanna ;/ |
| 19:02 |
X-Rob |
You pay them, however often you want |
| 19:03 |
X-Rob |
mircea_popescu: hrm. How are you planning on controlling the rig then? |
| 19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
i was thinking of gving you a pool to point at and forgetting about it. |
| 19:06 |
X-Rob |
mircea_popescu: well, if that's all you want, no problems |
| 19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
| 19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
and also, you can self-voice now. |
| 19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
all you need is to pm assbot !up while idented. |
| 19:06 |
X-Rob |
Thanks |
| 19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
a btw. dignork where are you hashing ? |
| 19:09 |
dignork |
last few hours it was offline, but in general it's solo |
| 19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ah k |
| 19:10 |
dignork |
BingoBoingo was askin about stratum: i have a simple setup with local altcoind and https://github.com/pocesar/node-stratum |
| 19:10 |
assbot |
pocesar/node-stratum GitHub |
| 19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust Mortimer452 |
| 19:21 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Mortimer452: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Mortimer452 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mortimer452 | Rated since: never |
| 19:23 |
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Bet created: "BTC 100 times bigger than LTC Feb 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1024/ |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
| 19:24 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.87 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 http://ispace.co.uk/ << any way to add these ppls ? |
| 19:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.0007205 = 2.9541 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:27 |
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Bet created: "Bitcoin over $600 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1025/ |
| 19:30 |
dignork |
;;later tell BingoBoingo atc stratum server -> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3f743a63dbf257b11641 |
| 19:30 |
assbot |
sample ATC stratum server - uses https://github.com/pocesar/node-stratum |
| 19:30 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!up guest3476 |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork honestly i think i'd rather use a pool. get some of that reaganomics trickle down effect going. |
| 19:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i know these guys host/build stratum pools as described: http://www.livechains.net/ |
| 19:38 |
assbot |
LiveChains UK |
| 19:40 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: I ran it this way to play with the technology, economical/game theory considerations are not so important for me on alt. |
| 19:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6259 @ 0.00072098 = 4.5126 BTC [+] |
| 19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
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| 20:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00072094 = 14.8874 BTC [-] |
| 20:31 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 46.26359775 BTC. Current weight: 34,220. |
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| 20:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00072094 = 18.0235 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6411 @ 0.00072043 = 4.6187 BTC [-] |
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| 21:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18489 @ 0.00072028 = 13.3173 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18346 @ 0.00072095 = 13.2265 BTC [+] {2} |
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| 22:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4125 @ 0.0007198 = 2.9692 BTC [-] |
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| 23:19 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> mod6 http://ispace.co.uk/ << any way to add these ppls ? << sure no prob. |
| 23:19 |
assbot |
iSpace Mining Pools |
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| 23:44 |
mod6 |
%ispace |
| 23:44 |
atcbot |
[iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 3.64 TH/s |
| 23:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6448 @ 0.0007198 = 4.6413 BTC [-] |
| 23:47 |
mod6 |
;;later tell moiety I have some changes to the wiki you might be able to help me with. Ping me when you get a chance. Thanks! |
| 23:47 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 23:55 |
mod6 |
;;rate moiety 1 Helped me with the atcbot section in the bitcoin-assets wiki. |
| 23:55 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded. |
| 23:58 |
decimation |
;;rate asciilifeform 2 engineer |
| 23:58 |
gribble |
Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. |
| 23:59 |
decimation |
stupid netsplits |