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00:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13380 @ 0.00085113 = 11.3881 BTC [+] {2}
00:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5162 @ 0.00085205 = 4.3983 BTC [+] {2}
00:15	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: re: vintage junk: Toshiba Libretto 110 cages very well.
00:16	asciilifeform	the size of vhs tape. no radios.
00:16	asciilifeform	eats a modern ATA SSD just fine.
00:17	BingoBoingo	Ascii Well, aesthetically it isn't optimal though. FOr the libretto cage has to go outside the factory case.
00:17	asciilifeform	ebay, ~100 usd.
00:17	asciilifeform	and where does yours go?
00:17	BingoBoingo	Inside the case.
00:18	asciilifeform	that Mac... has built-in CRT? cage has a 10" hole?
00:18	BingoBoingo	Well... Hope no one is listening from 178 degrees north...
00:18	BingoBoingo	Er... 358
00:19	asciilifeform	crt can be seen, from miles away, with 1970s tech.
00:20	BingoBoingo	Well, plaintext plus IRC means you feed the honeypot things it might find actionable
00:20	asciilifeform	must feed, yes.
00:20	BingoBoingo	Regardless of totality of truth. The best defense in some cases seems unreliable narration
00:20	asciilifeform	wouldn't do to have a back row seat in the gasenwagen, i always say.
00:21	BingoBoingo	Well, that's there the CO builds up because... Seriously a wood fired modern engine... Kind of want...
00:23	BingoBoingo	I don't think there's a serious solution to the CRT problem other than to stop reading text from the front of spotlights.
00:24	asciilifeform	indium tin oxide is conductive. and transparent.
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00:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5188 @ 0.00085214 = 4.4209 BTC [+]
00:26	BingoBoingo	Interesting. Know it is used for capacitive touch displays, but I dunno if it could cage a batsignal of a monochome mac display.
00:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9572 @ 0.00085312 = 8.1661 BTC [+]
00:31	BingoBoingo	So the email inbox suggests "Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD" might front slashdot
00:31	asciilifeform	so it is saved now?
00:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00085318 = 3.0714 BTC [+] {2}
00:36	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Seems Mircea and Theo found agreeable terms
00:44	BingoBoingo	But the story made the slashdot front page nao
00:45	BingoBoingo	;;later tell mircea_popescu made Slashdot front page
00:45	gribble	The operation succeeded.
00:45	KRS-	word
00:49	pankkake	wow
00:52	KRS-	To say the least.
00:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00089611 = 0.8961 BTC [-] {6}
00:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00084945 = 9.7687 BTC [-]
00:57	BingoBoingo	What can I say. I am a master at not getting flagged as spam. Well, that or having been flagged as spam enough in the past for sending honest emails I've learned some shit about Bayes.
00:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 706 @ 0.00089848 = 0.6343 BTC [+] {4}
00:59	BingoBoingo	Fuck, I haven't made the first page of Slashdot since Windows Vista (or was it 7) SP1 was released
01:00	asciilifeform	i was linked there twice, and it was deadly boring each time.
01:00	asciilifeform	the snakepit before 'reddit'.
01:00	KRS-	gj BingoBoingo
01:01	KRS-	I think thats awesome.
01:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00409998 = 0.1312 BTC [+] {2}
01:01	BingoBoingo	Lately if you browse at +4 or +5 it seems reddit bled a lot of the offensively stupid though some stupid remains.
01:04	asciilifeform	whether or not this is true, their symbionts (spammers, hucksters, beggars of all stripes) are still there.
01:04	asciilifeform	and the thinking people... are elsewhere.
01:04	asciilifeform	forum death is permanent.
01:05	BingoBoingo	Much like the blockchain though a place to dump text can be useful
01:05	asciilifeform	15,772 'karma.' would sell it for a buck if i could.
01:05	pankkake	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7087800
01:05	ozbot	Romanian Bitcoin Billionaire saves OpenBSD | Hacker News
01:06	BingoBoingo	Thx Panakke
01:06	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: They's capped maximum well under that a few years ago if my poking reported accurately.
01:07	asciilifeform	http://www.reddit.com/user/asciilifeform/
01:07	asciilifeform	(object of shame, rather than pride!)
01:07	pankkake	I deleted mine
01:07	BingoBoingo	Oh, that.
01:07	BingoBoingo	Confused it with Slashdot
01:08	mod6	cool beans
01:08	mod6	:]
01:08	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you may have 'jumped the gun' with the bsd piece. the peanut gallery won't believe until theo admits.
01:09	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course I jumped the gun. The thing is I price risk and I know Mircea's rep. When he reported it as done I count that as done enough to report.
01:09	BingoBoingo	I count on people doubting it to upon validation increase my credibility,.
01:09	BingoBoingo	It is a gamble
01:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00085243 = 19.4354 BTC [+] {3}
01:09	asciilifeform	fair enough
01:09	asciilifeform	shaman and eclipse.
01:10	pankkake	since when accuracy matters
01:10	BingoBoingo	Nothing more dangerous than betting against Serena Williams Saturday, SOmething I wish I would have put much more money on.
01:10	BingoBoingo	Well, Bitcoin is a reputation economy
01:12	BingoBoingo	So... SLashdot doubts the combination of Bitcoin and Billionaire. HF doubts the label Billionaire which Paul Graham lacks.
01:12	BingoBoingo	Interesting to see community reflexes
01:14	pankkake	needs more complaining about bitcoin spam
01:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 74 @ 0.0031072 = 0.2299 BTC [+]
01:15	mod6	haha "NSFW!!1" what a bunch of crybabies
01:20	mod6	hmm neat, just made my first twister post
01:20	mod6	anyone else try this out?
01:22	pankkake	it looks interesting but i don't even use twitter
01:22	BingoBoingo	Best comment so far http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4686869&cid=46010815
01:22	pankkake	https://twitter.com/diodesign/status/425145407820156928
01:22	ozbot	Twitter / diodesign: News of the weird: It's claimed ...
01:23	pankkake	https://twitter.com/dascritch/status/425144363409084416 (a romanian MILLIONaire in bitcoins saves openbsd - where are the usual open source sponsors?)
01:23	ozbot	Twitter / dascritch: Un roumain millionnaire en ...
01:23	pankkake	https://twitter.com/computionist/status/425141723140866048
01:23	ozbot	Twitter / computionist: HAHAHA O SHIT OPENBSD SAVED ...
01:26	benkay	i remember when slashdot brought down websites
01:26	benkay	i was but a wee bairn
01:26	thestringpuller	!ticker S.MPOE
01:26	assbot	You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
01:26	thestringpuller	!ticker m S.MPOE
01:26	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084311 / 0.00084815 / 0.00085401 (465070 shares, 394.45 BTC), 7D: 0.00083792 / 0.00084821 / 0.00085833 (5709843 shares, 4,843.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00086717 / 0.00092833 (26661796 shares, 23,120.36 BTC)
01:26	pankkake	lol
01:27	thestringpuller	!ticker m ^OIX
01:27	assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 170.90664092 / 170.90664093 (50 shares, 0.27 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
01:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.0008488 = 5.1777 BTC [-]
01:42	BingoBoingo	Holy mother of god, Slashdot drives so much more traffic than Reddit.
01:44	BingoBoingo	All numbers that might provide context have been removed https://unsee.cc/hotame/
01:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00084953 = 6.7113 BTC [+]
01:48	musty	BingoBoingo: Huh?
01:48	BingoBoingo	musty: Huh? what? Which unclear part do you want to know about?
01:49	musty	BingoBoingo: None.
01:49	BingoBoingo	Where then is the confusion?
01:50	musty	BingoBoingo: You seem pepped. Coffee?
01:50	BingoBoingo	musty: Vodka
01:51	musty	BingoBoingo: Make sure to sprinkle pepper on it, in true post-Russian wartime fashion.
01:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.0031072 = 0.2082 BTC [+]
01:52	BingoBoingo	musty: Nah, I'm going full sacrilegious, mixing it with Diet Mountain Dew. For the Lulz
01:53	musty	BingoBoingo: You might find yourself in a trans-dimensional rift. Please be careful.
01:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 288 @ 0.0009029 = 0.26 BTC [+]
01:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8269 @ 0.00084953 = 7.0248 BTC [+]
01:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 795 @ 0.00046642 = 0.3708 BTC [+] {5}
01:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00090353 = 0.4518 BTC [+] {2}
01:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00046999 = 0.235 BTC [+] {2}
01:58	BingoBoingo	musty: How do you know that isn't my desired destination?
01:59	musty	BingoBoingo: You'd be a tough act to follow, and we both know how you want to be followed.
02:00	BingoBoingo	musty: You mean carefully?
02:01	musty	Go away.
02:02	BingoBoingo	So far Slashdot is driving two orders of magnitude more traffic than Paul Graham's sites
02:06	musty	BingoBoingo: Figured out why yet?
02:08	BingoBoingo	musty: Prolly because someone wants to see the Vaxen run. Also Paul Graham is kind of a quack lately (for values of lately that equal the past 15 years)
02:08	musty	I think pg's pretty clever.
02:09	musty	What is the Vaxen run?
02:09	BingoBoingo	He's not a complete idiot, but he seems to have integrated some idiot values into his operating parameters
02:09	musty	BingoBoingo: Elabroate.
02:09	BingoBoingo	musty: The Vaxen are some of the greatest architectures that ever ran.
02:09	BingoBoingo	Next to the Haskell, Smalltalk, and not the least the LISP machines.
02:10	BingoBoingo	The 80's were a crazy time.
02:10	musty	Oh, you mean VAX.
02:11	musty	Not sure that VAX and hs ought to be in the same sentence, but ta da.
02:14	euromaidan	Hello, community! Perhaps some of you have heard about the events in Ukraine ... Beg your humble assistance for people on Euromaidan. Basically, we need funds for medicines, clothing and defense. Purse, which can be sent at least 0.001 BTC (or more) - 1C8Cbq7azQWDopSsgdSuDJe8t8zSVdBqWc
02:14	BingoBoingo	euromaidan: Are you just hoping your revolution gets the same support OpenBSD did?
02:16	musty	euromaidan: Nobody cares about the Ukraine.
02:16	euromaidan	Actually yes. We collect money from various sources. This is just another opportunity.
02:16	euromaidan	I hope this is acceptable here.
02:17	euromaidan	If not - excuse me. (You can ban me) :)
02:17	BingoBoingo	Well, how much of Ukriane's wheat harvest can you guarentee for sponsors?
02:19	Duffer1	;;gpg info euromaidan
02:19	gribble	No such user registered.
02:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2831 @ 0.00084953 = 2.405 BTC [+]
02:21	euromaidan	forecast grain harvest in 2014 to 45,0-45,5 million tons :)
02:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40693 @ 0.00085479 = 34.784 BTC [+] {4}
02:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00535 = 0.3264 BTC [-] {2}
02:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5789898 BTC [+]
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03:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00085944 = 6.145 BTC [+]
03:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8927 @ 0.00086404 = 7.7133 BTC [+]
03:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534196 = 0.5342 BTC [-] {2}
03:11	BingoBoingo	IveBeenBit: Away messages are spammy you cunt sniff
03:12	Duffer1	irc is that some kinda newfangled social media?
03:12	Duffer1	they gonna ipo soon?
03:12	musty	Lulz.
03:15	BingoBoingo	Remember when IRC was ED's whipping boy back in the day...
03:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14305 @ 0.00086516 = 12.3761 BTC [+] {2}
03:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57899 = 1.158 BTC [+]
03:21	herbijudlestoids	you ever wonder about how insanely postmodern the internet has become?
03:21	herbijudlestoids	so im on twitter and i see a /. article about romanian billionaire saving openbsd
03:21	herbijudlestoids	'who is this guy?' i ask myself after i read the thing, and end up poking around on various things looking at his blog etc
03:22	herbijudlestoids	finally after clearing all the tabs i opened one was left and it was MPex itself
03:22	herbijudlestoids	click the tab, and damn if it isnt the exact same idea that i was just grappling with last night, fully implemented, in a 0-stylesheet HTML frontent
03:23	herbijudlestoids	so while i was struggling with the idea of how do you settle contracts like "BTCUSD Jun 14" in BTC legitimately, there is someone else who has already done it and thought of everything
03:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.025 = 0.45 BTC [-] {3}
03:24	Duffer1	still plenty of room for other ideas around here
03:25	herbijudlestoids	oh sure...but the postmodernism of it all freaks me out
03:25	herbijudlestoids	constantly happening to me "oh thats a brilliant idea..." *google it* "...oh someone just got it funded on kickstarter and has code on github"
03:26	herbijudlestoids	at least on MPex i can buy some shares lol
03:26	herbijudlestoids	how about this, a periscope for your car so you can see over traffic
03:26	Duffer1	brilliant
03:27	herbijudlestoids	or collapsible skis that you screw together like a pool cue
03:28	herbijudlestoids	how about someone actually fucking commits some code to secushare
03:28	herbijudlestoids	or we fund a thousand VMs to run tor/i2p/gnunet
03:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57899 BTC [+]
03:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 38 @ 0.57985754 = 22.0346 BTC [+] {12}
03:34	angel	what about alcoholess beer
03:34	Duffer1	what kind of sick fuck would say such a thing
03:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 74 @ 0.60031485 = 44.4233 BTC [+] {10}
03:35	Duffer1	ಠ_ಠ
03:35	angel	if there exist plastic penises, why not alcoholess beer
03:35	herbijudlestoids	because beer is the product of fermentation of bacteria that produce alcohol?
03:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6263 = 1.2526 BTC [+] {2}
03:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1023 @ 0.00540956 = 5.534 BTC [+] {14}
03:37	herbijudlestoids	see this is what i mean
03:37	herbijudlestoids	this is *exactly* what im talking about
03:37	herbijudlestoids	angel here had this idea, and my logical brain is coming up with reasons why its feasible or not
03:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 808 @ 0.00581209 = 4.6962 BTC [+] {18}
03:38	herbijudlestoids	meanwhile he goes on kickstarter or whatever and within 6 months hes rolling in money selling "alcoholess" beer to mormons or something
03:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 392 @ 0.00597191 = 2.341 BTC [+] {9}
03:39	herbijudlestoids	i go on twitter and theres an article on wired about some geek whos gotten richer than bill gates from selling alcoholess beer
03:39	angel	well, the trickiest part is not having just the idea, but selling it :)
03:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00599999 = 0.45 BTC [+] {4}
03:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.64569194 = 3.2285 BTC [+] {2}
03:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006 = 0.3 BTC [+]
03:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64823 = 1.2965 BTC [+]
03:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0000931 = 0.2793 BTC [-]
03:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.645 BTC [-]
03:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6489 BTC [+]
03:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.006002 = 0.9483 BTC [+] {3}
04:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00087356 = 28.6528 BTC [+] {2}
04:20	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol cool.
04:21	BingoBoingo	It happens. The trick to social media and viral seems to be you just gotta beat Bayes.
04:21	mircea_popescu	i credit your recently.
04:22	herbijudlestoids	hi mircea, i was just on here a little while ago complaining about how postmodern the internet is, when i just discovered today you had fully implemented (MPex) the thing that i was thinking about doing last night lol
04:22	mircea_popescu	(i also choose to believe that the secret to both is to just not be doing it)
04:22	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you might not believe this, but you're by no means the first person in your situation
04:22	herbijudlestoids	haha
04:23	mircea_popescu	you may be the first to actually tell me it rather than try anyway
04:23	herbijudlestoids	i actually came on here in the hopes that youd come on and keep me company while i sign up so i can buy shares
04:23	mircea_popescu	(and fail more or less miserably, painfully and expensively down the road)
04:23	herbijudlestoids	i consider myself to be not retarded but the instructions are intimidating
04:23	mircea_popescu	kinda deliberately. anyway, what's the problem ?
04:24	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, Bayes catches good grammar and style. Gotta learn from the spamzors.
04:24	herbijudlestoids	nothin, but now youre on im gonna start trying to sign up and hassle you if it fails
04:24	BingoBoingo	Then make it pretty for the eyes.
04:24	mircea_popescu	works.
04:24	herbijudlestoids	the way i figure it, at least with this idea i can invest in it
04:24	herbijudlestoids	with my very small amount of BTC :P
04:24	mircea_popescu	lmao is this in reference to kako's phone ?
04:25	herbijudlestoids	but maybe if i like it i will convert some fiat
04:25	herbijudlestoids	i dunno who kako is
04:25	herbijudlestoids	if youwere talking to me
04:25	mircea_popescu	a ok. you stumbled on an old private joke.
04:25	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: If you are buying securities on MPEX and justifying it on a dream I'd recommend the S.NSA. It has a savory Umami the S.MG lacks while still relying on some gamblin' to anticipate success.
04:26	herbijudlestoids	no i wanna invest in MPOE? isnt that the security for the exchange?
04:26	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Indeed it is.
04:26	herbijudlestoids	i swear, i know it sounds stupid but i had tihs exact idea last night
04:26	herbijudlestoids	and even the interface with 0 stylesheet
04:26	BingoBoingo	Try Coinbr.com if you can't afford to register your own key.
04:26	mircea_popescu	he just means it lists a number of assets. and here's your "small amount" reference : http://trilema.com/2013/jesus-you-guys-are-like-snark-bullion-already/
04:27	herbijudlestoids	well shit i dont even have 0.1BTC
04:27	herbijudlestoids	guess i better buy some
04:28	herbijudlestoids	now i gotta sign up a damn account with bitstamp or mtgox or something
04:29	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Do you have a sharpie?
04:29	mircea_popescu	what drives teh btc price in fiats ? ppl trying to get on mpex.
04:29	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol dun be an asshole
04:29	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'm trying to price it
04:30	herbijudlestoids	actually the btc price is undriven
04:30	BingoBoingo	YTou have to sample the inflation
04:30	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids how'd you figure that ?
04:30	herbijudlestoids	if it was a legit economy you could arb the exchanges
04:30	mircea_popescu	people have been arbing the exchanges since 2011
04:30	BingoBoingo	It ain't 10 BTC no more and prolly lower than the 0.25 last quoted here.
04:31	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ahh, the lulzy days of a few years ago when people were importantly droning about how "you can't buy stuff!11"
04:31	BingoBoingo	Yeah mircea_popescu
04:31	BingoBoingo	Actually I think on trilema that post was almost, but not a whole year ago.
04:31	herbijudlestoids	if the price isnt within 0.01% then thats pretty poor for electronic exchanges, and anyway you can see when someone dumps liquidity dries up and the spreads go haywire
04:31	BingoBoingo	That was prolly MPOE's best PR.
04:31	herbijudlestoids	just my 2c
04:32	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Arbing BTC and Fiat has challenges that impart delays.
04:32	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids contrary to what people thing, btc is very much the result of the aggregated thoughts of people. machines are abjectly voiceless.
04:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo so where's this slashdot link ?
04:33	herbijudlestoids	so, what? nobody has thought, here is some free BTC for me to pick up?
04:33	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids indeed they haven't.
04:33	herbijudlestoids	http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247/romanian-bitcoin-entrepreneur-steps-in-to-pay-openbsd-shortfall?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
04:33	ozbot	Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot
04:33	mircea_popescu	ty
04:33	mircea_popescu	hahaha look, they edited it for you.
04:33	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: They copyeditted a bit
04:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.6004042 = 32.4218 BTC [-] {4}
04:33	mircea_popescu	"That sort of an electrical bill is a crap explanation in my opinion to support the development and deployment of OpenBSD developers and users.
04:33	mircea_popescu	Poor management is more likely the explanation."
04:34	mircea_popescu	why are people always asshats ?
04:34	herbijudlestoids	i think youre awesome for doing it
04:34	BingoBoingo	Fuck, have they ever tried to power a Vaxen?
04:34	mircea_popescu	the fact that anything costs some money is a poor explanation for anything needing some money ?
04:34	herbijudlestoids	someone called you a criminal in the comments and thats why i even looked into you and ended up here
04:34	mircea_popescu	ideal management is perhaps making battleships out of old ramen and spare cat hair
04:34	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: They have been calling him that for years
04:34	mircea_popescu	like we've seen that guy on tvb.
04:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.0008753 = 9.3219 BTC [+] {2}
04:35	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "I'm sure you'll fit in here just fine. Has anyone told you what happened to John Katz yet? Oh, yeah. We Don't Talk About That." um ?
04:35	herbijudlestoids	how about instead of me buying shares in MPOE you hire me to do some junk and pay me in MPOE shares?
04:35	BingoBoingo	Well, if you can make the cathair and ramen into Carbon nanotubes... Who knows. That might be a sweet battleship.
04:35	herbijudlestoids	i can do the stuffs.
04:35	mircea_popescu	did insanikatz manage to get himself into the lol-of-slashdot too, after being the lol-of-retardstalk ?
04:36	BingoBoingo	Oh shit, must be a new comment.
04:36	mircea_popescu	ask the guy. inquiring ex-billionaire, currently entrepreneurial minds wish to know
04:38	mircea_popescu	"The point is, there are no BUYERS. It will not happen. No one is going to pay $20k of REAL money for bitcoins."
04:38	mircea_popescu	o slashdot delivers :D
04:38	BingoBoingo	Well, Joel was the Rippleshill
04:39	BingoBoingo	How many weeks ago was slashdot the least lulzy news site just under Cryptome
04:40	mircea_popescu	"Te mekkora egy fasz vagy, b*meg."
04:40	mircea_popescu	if anyone speaks hungarian.
04:40	BingoBoingo	I assume they think you can.
04:40	mircea_popescu	well i can, but that was in protestation to some guy losing it.
04:40	herbijudlestoids	haha!
04:40	mircea_popescu	"In other words, a Romanian gypsy stepped in. Except gypsies quite smart really and trade in actual resources, so bitcoins would be beneath gypsies.
04:40	mircea_popescu	So FreeBSD which isn't associated with malcoins per se and is used in the PS4 vs. OpenBSD which is now smeared and tainted with btc's. Hmm, let me think:"
04:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 470 @ 0.00599114 = 2.8158 BTC [-] {2}
04:41	herbijudlestoids	its "youre a big dick in b .*"
04:41	mircea_popescu	bunt ?
04:41	mircea_popescu	c is for cunt!
04:41	herbijudlestoids	no that is liteally the translate from translate.google.com
04:41	mircea_popescu	a
04:41	BingoBoingo	Google offers the b* which is why I don't like Google's fucking bowlderized ass
04:42	mircea_popescu	bosmeg
04:43	mircea_popescu	lol. instead of oracle ?
04:43	BingoBoingo	I also like the part where Slashdot editors seemed to actually use the WOT.
04:43	mircea_popescu	o ?
04:44	BingoBoingo	Trusting my report because I trusted your report, because you got all those positive ratings.
04:44	BingoBoingo	Public confirmation from the OpenBSD people seemingly unnecessary.
04:44	mircea_popescu	interesting
04:44	mircea_popescu	o, they never got around to confirming it ?
04:44	BingoBoingo	Not to my knowledge.
04:44	mircea_popescu	wow.
04:45	BingoBoingo	They just edited my post to remove the second recenlty and then linked your twitter
04:45	mircea_popescu	hey, where's truffles ? i was gonna go see truffles, now that's power. except my tab did nothing
04:45	mircea_popescu	is truffles awol since i told him a few things ?
04:45	BingoBoingo	Maybe?
04:45	BingoBoingo	Fuck. How are we gonna finish that shess tournament
04:45	mircea_popescu	well hopefully he gets something out of it.
04:46	BingoBoingo	I got drunk and tied up a quinto BTC sweetening the pot because I auth'd
04:46	mircea_popescu	"How about we be a little more careful with twitter links, K?" "It's the right link." "Twitter is NEVER the right link"
04:46	mircea_popescu	epic hahaha
04:46	BingoBoingo	Yeah, They asked about your physical security. I referenced your harem.
04:47	BingoBoingo	Slashdot beats reddit in every way.
04:47	BingoBoingo	Reddit can't even think of criticism as lulzily stupid.
04:47	mircea_popescu	totally.
04:47	herbijudlestoids	so whats this criminal thing
04:47	herbijudlestoids	i couldnt find anything on you
04:48	herbijudlestoids	maybe im not leet enough
04:48	mircea_popescu	you know actually that's a very good point BingoBoingo ?
04:48	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Some groundsloth named Jimmothy according to his profile picture.
04:48	herbijudlestoids	?
04:48	mircea_popescu	this scenario has played out so many times before. "hello sir, I am here to kidnap you!" "aww. why kidnap me ? wouldn't you rather pick one of the naked girls ? like that one with the small tits ?" "a... okay!"
04:49	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well. Back in the day I wrote school papers on troll culture and turned in bakers fluff, because class doesn't pay money.
04:49	mircea_popescu	two to six weeks later a new bodybag is discreetly added to my compost heap...
04:49	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids principally people need explanations they may accept rather than explanations that are correct.
04:50	BingoBoingo	Fuck, Imma have to scroll up. Who asked why my ground for the faraday is in the garden?
04:50	mircea_popescu	see the entire "sum of natural numbers can't add to -1/12, because all we know is partial sums and taylor series and natural integers are all positive (and not fractional)"
04:51	BingoBoingo	(It's in the garden because asparagus likes saline soil) Wears out the grounding mesh, but windowscreen is cheap.
04:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00087615 = 9.4624 BTC [+] {2}
04:51	mircea_popescu	you grow your own asparagus ?
04:52	BingoBoingo	Got a good climate for it if you rape the soil enough with the salt.
04:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC
04:52	mircea_popescu	interesting.
04:52	mircea_popescu	so the poles could all be growing asparagus commercially and nobody ever told them ?
04:53	mircea_popescu	"Mircea Popescu is very nice person, thank you for saving OpenBSD. Now, why are some a-holes here bouthmouthing one person that did something to help OpenBSD's problem?! And jumping to conclusions and all. Jesus Christ that will teach any future milionares to sponsor FOSS."
04:53	mircea_popescu	as if future millionaires got there by listening to the comment scum.
04:53	herbijudlestoids	http://www.freshplaza.com/article/110066/Poland-becoming-more-interested-in-asparagus
04:53	ozbot	Poland becoming more interested in asparagus
04:53	mircea_popescu	what is this, the future ?!
04:53	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids a ok then
04:54	herbijudlestoids	asparaguscoin
04:54	herbijudlestoids	i always just append coin to whatever is in my head to make sure it isnt a brilliant idea that im mising out on
04:54	mircea_popescu	i hear that's what kids do in junior high, when they first hear the word cunt
04:54	mircea_popescu	carcunt. barcunt. stoolcunt. cunstool. cuntwind. cuntetcx.
04:54	punkman	cuntwaffles
04:54	herbijudlestoids	i already thought of cuntcoin or porncoin like 3 days ago
04:55	mircea_popescu	no, that's a legitimate product.
04:55	BingoBoingo	Honestly I'm kind of interest in starting an LLC to buy some land and grow some panax ginseng
04:55	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you're so ahead of the curve :D
04:55	BingoBoingo	Nah, porncoin was last march
04:55	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo then if bottom falls out of ltc you can return 1897598568% to your investors.
04:55	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: no dont you see how it works? as soon as i google it someone will have already got a project on github and $100,000 in funding from kickstarter
04:55	herbijudlestoids	*see!*
04:55	BingoBoingo	Cuntcoin I haven't heard of yet
04:55	herbijudlestoids	im bloody 27 days behind the curve
04:56	punkman	there's SexCoin or what it's called
04:56	herbijudlestoids	*see!*
04:56	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids 2.7 years but ok.
04:56	herbijudlestoids	oh shiz i misread march/month
04:56	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, the thing about panax ginseng is the scaricity is guaranteed. It is an endangered species.
04:56	BingoBoingo	Almost as good as Kidney coins
04:56	herbijudlestoids	i got a better one than that
04:56	mircea_popescu	i doubt you can be something economically useful with an endangered species in the us and not end up with a media and perhaps courthouse circus on your hands
04:56	herbijudlestoids	get some crappy land, land which is cheap because its crappy
04:56	herbijudlestoids	and then grow hemp
04:57	herbijudlestoids	in like china or iran
04:57	herbijudlestoids	where its legal
04:57	herbijudlestoids	and then make hemp bricks which absorb carbon
04:57	mircea_popescu	and other people who speak the language have all sorts of advantages over you
04:57	herbijudlestoids	and sell those carbon bricks on the carbon offsets market in europe
04:57	mircea_popescu	like already owning the local harems
04:57	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: US want's that slanty China money though. I thought I linked a trashy reality TV show on the subject here this weekend.
04:57	herbijudlestoids	well i speak the local language in iran :)
04:57	mircea_popescu	yu do ?!
04:57	herbijudlestoids	farsi
04:58	mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/faq_pe.html << does this read human to you ?
04:58	ozbot	MPEx FAQ.
04:58	herbijudlestoids	im iranian by nationality, living in oz
04:58	mircea_popescu	"Not only a criminal but also a attention whore, pervert and a sociopath. All the coin this criminal has are stolen one way or another."
04:58	mircea_popescu	herp.
04:58	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: How do we know you aren't the resurection of TradeFortress. Imma need two corpses for you to prove this claim.
04:58	mircea_popescu	"this successful guy is all the bad things!!11 please make it stop!!1"
04:59	herbijudlestoids	i dunno even who that is
04:59	herbijudlestoids	look
04:59	herbijudlestoids	i told you
04:59	herbijudlestoids	i came on here, by complete chance from seeing the openbsd thing on twitter
04:59	herbijudlestoids	and only because of the criminal comment and then i saw MPex was exactly what i was thinking of last inght
04:59	herbijudlestoids	so basically i came here to complain about the postmodernism of the internet and buy shares
04:59	herbijudlestoids	(because if you cant beat em join em)
04:59	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You are starting good. Just read some history. Learn the past scammers and what they did. Then don't do that unless you leik dicks int he night.
05:00	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: my reading/writing farsi not so good
05:00	mircea_popescu	aha
05:00	herbijudlestoids	who translated this?
05:00	BingoBoingo	Maybe if you want to endear yourself to some people here herbijudlestoids learn you some lisp
05:00	mircea_popescu	some contractor guy
05:00	herbijudlestoids	lol at my last job our dev guy was obsessed with lisp
05:01	herbijudlestoids	he fucking rewrote the openstack client libs in lisp
05:01	herbijudlestoids	and now hes the sole maintainer of the openstack lisp client lol
05:01	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo actually, the one thing one chick could do to completely take over
05:01	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: His reasons were probably good and just
05:01	mircea_popescu	would be to do a hacking lisp nude blog.
05:01	herbijudlestoids	im just a lowly ops guys
05:01	herbijudlestoids	building teh openstack cloudz
05:02	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The problem would be making it a Lisp acceptable to asciilifeform
05:02	BingoBoingo	He seems picky
05:02	mircea_popescu	from what i've seen most lisp people are tolerant folk.
05:02	herbijudlestoids	ps: does anyone need an openstack cloud? :P
05:02	herbijudlestoids	especially object storage is my forte
05:02	BingoBoingo	Well, clojure and arc et al start holy wars
05:03	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You want inbound links with great google juice?
05:03	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well just because the anonderps are at each other;s throats does not necessarily imply openbsd and freebsd have free-for-all wrestling matches in the dev cubicles.
05:03	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: not sure what that means? is that google fiber? here in australia we are still banging two rocks together to start fires for smoke signals
05:03	BingoBoingo	Nah, openBSD rapes FreeBSD lovingly. Seriously I know they work for different purposes.
05:04	mircea_popescu	"Wouldn't it be more practical to replace a VAX with an R-Pi or BBB?"
05:04	herbijudlestoids	i was thinking last night that if someone ported pfsense to openbsd that would be it, openbsd would take over
05:04	mircea_popescu	these ppls...
05:04	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids so port it.
05:04	herbijudlestoids	i might!
05:04	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: pfsense was made on OpenBSD
05:04	herbijudlestoids	i looked at the code last night on github
05:04	herbijudlestoids	orly?
05:04	herbijudlestoids	i thought it was ported from monowall which is freebsd?
05:05	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: there is no rpi build for openbsd :(
05:05	herbijudlestoids	because according to the devs its not open enough. theyve got beagleboard port tho
05:05	herbijudlestoids	which is good
05:05	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: If only these people knew I only want open BSD so I won't have to run A/UX when I replace the cooked Mac SE/30
05:06	KRS-	wow monowall.
05:06	herbijudlestoids	"The pfSense project started in 2004 as a fork of the m0n0wall project by Chris Buechler and Scott Ullrich"
05:06	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Anything Rpi can do used coldfire boards can do better
05:06	mircea_popescu	"Seriously, you people are nuts. Bitcoin was bad enough, now any half-wit with a web browser can go create "currencies".
05:06	mircea_popescu	It's going to be hilarious seeing the inevitable fall and a bunch of dumbfounded dipshits standing around saying "whu happened?!""
05:06	mircea_popescu	this will be nice for teh record later on :D
05:07	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: got a link to somewhere i can see prices?
05:07	KRS-	m0n0wall..brought back some memories for me
05:07	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Just ebay shit like everyone else does
05:07	herbijudlestoids	it was freebsd right?
05:08	herbijudlestoids	dude i live in australia! we are in the stone age
05:08	herbijudlestoids	if it costs $50 for the board ill have to pay $80 postage
05:08	BingoBoingo	Fine, in the interest of equal coverage in the fucking media https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Theo_de_Raadt#Starting_the_OpenBSD_Project
05:09	herbijudlestoids	when i search coldfire on ebay.com.au the only items are in categories: Musical Instruments, Books/Magazines, Collectables
05:09	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Maybe don't live in the desert with the Abbos and the spiders and the Dingos?
05:09	herbijudlestoids	i live in the temperate southeast coastline
05:09	KRS-	yeah freebsd
05:09	herbijudlestoids	thats what i thought, BingoBoingo pfsense was not on openbsd!
05:10	KRS-	i was talking about m0n0wall-
05:10	herbijudlestoids	yeah and pfsense is a fork of m0n0wall
05:11	KRS-	.bait
05:11	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2i8dqhkf71r3vbuso1_500.jpg
05:12	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Wait, you are waiting for me to spin a reliable narrative?
05:12	KRS-	fapfap
05:12	BingoBoingo	That shit costs money or rep
05:12	herbijudlestoids	nah all good
05:12	mircea_popescu	lol good sauce of drama there. i had no idea bsd community is so vocal.
05:13	mircea_popescu	makes the recently failed urbit thing kinda tame by comparison
05:13	mircea_popescu	or was it urbix
05:13	KRS-	see you gnts later- BingoBoingo gj on slashdot
05:13	BingoBoingo	I thought is was Stan's Loper--
05:13	BingoBoingo	Thx KRS-
05:14	mircea_popescu	wait wut ?
05:14	herbijudlestoids	wut wut
05:15	BingoBoingo	Ubit was like loper--, built on Unix and x86 eventually pissing stan off to no end
05:16	mircea_popescu	i didn't know loper actually exists enough to piss stan off
05:18	herbijudlestoids	well, i have to go to bed early tonight so i guess im gonna /quit. nice to meet you strange people and thanks for donating to save openbsd mircea_popescu that was a very nice thing to do
05:18	BingoBoingo	Well, stan seems to have hinted far enough back that he has sufficient tools that that some actual loper may be close enough the feeble imitations of others would anger and/or disappoint him
05:19	mircea_popescu	o look, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7087800
05:19	BingoBoingo	Fuck... As someone with log files to a site that has been target before. Slashdot totally dwarfs reddit.
05:19	mircea_popescu	"Ah, the irony of OpenBSD paying for its computers racking up a huge electricity bill using money made by computers racking up huge electricity bills."
05:19	simlay	mircea_popescu: I read that article and it brought me here.
05:20	mircea_popescu	a hello.
05:20	simlay	Mostly just out of curiosity. I have little to add.
05:20	BingoBoingo	I like how WOT can make IRC logs news
05:20	BingoBoingo	simlay: This is where the news was made
05:21	BingoBoingo	Anything you hear in any other channel is probably olds rather than new.
05:21	BingoBoingo	s
05:21	mircea_popescu	not like everyone needs their news instantly.
05:22	simlay	BingoBoingo: "Was made"? It's past tense?
05:22	BingoBoingo	simlay: Well... In this story yeah. If the story that got you here is the one I'm thinking of.
05:23	BingoBoingo	I prolly wrote the blog post and I totally drug ass on that.
05:23	mircea_popescu	o hey, i just realised
05:23	mircea_popescu	your blog is like what, 3 months old ?
05:23	mircea_popescu	prolly a record for a 3month old blog to be first page on everything
05:23	simlay	Seems like a good place to hangout no less.
05:23	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well that last one was its 100th post
05:24	mircea_popescu	sweet.
05:24	BingoBoingo	Started near the end od Spetember I think
05:24	mircea_popescu	"the asset i built on #bitcoin-assets". could be like a calendar next year.
05:24	BingoBoingo	I've actually gotten less consistent as it got older
05:26	BingoBoingo	So... anyways Slashot in the past six hours has delivered at least two orders of magnitude more traffic to the blog than Paul Graham's shit pit which is a true Ohio of tech news.
05:28	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You know last year around this time when BitBet was the first parimutuel betting site in BTC with an open database I had IRL friends referring to you as the bitking
05:32	BingoBoingo	I like the isolated Dogecoin post in the slashdot mic
05:32	BingoBoingo	*mix
05:34	BingoBoingo	;;jd
05:34	gribble	Error: "jd" is not a valid command.
05:34	BingoBoingo	!jd
05:34	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 12111 BTC profit, 36.9k BTC invested, 508.27 mio bets, 4.84 mio BTC wagered
05:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8098 @ 0.00087873 = 7.116 BTC [+] {2}
05:34	BingoBoingo	.d
05:34	ozbot	1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 770 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.4938% in 4d 8h 34m 44s
05:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4402 @ 0.00088336 = 3.8886 BTC [+]
05:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.64807458 = 2.5923 BTC [+] {3}
05:37	BingoBoingo	Huh, I just got 20 emails with the subject line saying "Millionaire" and the text body saying "Dumb Shit" me thinks someone has a botnet and bothered to strip my email out of my public key.
05:41	BingoBoingo	So... I just remembered Reddit was a thing and tried submitting a link only to find this http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vnmb4/romanian_bitcoin_billionaire_saves_openbsd/
05:46	punkman	nice little set of books I stumbled on: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2760
05:49	BingoBoingo	I any one wants to see how slashdot trffic works https://unsee.cc/numiwo/
05:50	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that's flattering
05:50	mircea_popescu	o look, habrahabr
05:52	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, most greatest thanks go to you for not scooping this.
05:53	BingoBoingo	Best, most lulzy link I've found so far http://aboutthebsds.wordpress.com/
05:53	mircea_popescu	one can't do everything
05:53	BingoBoingo	That link is for srs so lulz
05:54	BingoBoingo	I guess I can finally tomorrow night write the post I've always wanted to.
05:55	BingoBoingo	About Tillikum the great freedom fighter an imminent threat to humanity.
05:56	BingoBoingo	Maybe I'm srs, maybe I'm not. But allegedly and unreliable narrator versus Slashdot.
05:57	BingoBoingo	Still kind of surprised that made Slashdot so fast after being only confirmed here on IRC. Maybe I ought to finally finish my WOT post.
05:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6488 = 1.9464 BTC [+]
06:01	BingoBoingo	So many choices. How do I pick the next one, but... Oh wait. Like literally the only activity I have mentioned myself doing is pricing risk (aka gambling). Any n00bs want to learn the art hit me up at 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 with at least one BTC and a sig that can prove you sent it.
06:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00087537 = 3.4139 BTC [-]
06:04	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I've had the IRL people refering to you as the BitKing because it helps impart a sense of scale. And helps enforce the idea that the only meaningful policy decision Obama could make would be to legalize the weed. Which would help Obama by making him less a hypocrit, but won't help Serena Williams get past Halep in the French Open.
06:05	BingoBoingo	I should have bet way more money against Serena Saturday.
06:08	BingoBoingo	At +915 I should have went 5 BTC agaist Serena trying to break the book as opposed to the 5 ten thousandths of a BTC I actually bet, but...
06:09	BingoBoingo	Pricing risk is hard.
06:09	BingoBoingo	Pricing risk is also totally not finance.
06:10	BingoBoingo	(If gambling was finance it would start allocating resources to building a more appreciative body for the remains of Halep's tits)
06:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00087659 = 2.9804 BTC [+]
06:31	renuxes	accept Bitcoins for charity to fight cancer http://www.gofundme.com/5wb6js
06:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1179 @ 0.0027764 = 3.2734 BTC [-] {22}
06:32	truffles	#nocure
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06:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28062 @ 0.00087518 = 24.5593 BTC [-] {3}
07:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00087697 = 31.2201 BTC [+] {4}
07:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 222 @ 0.00082556 = 0.1833 BTC [-] {5}
07:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 344 @ 0.0008255 = 0.284 BTC [-] {2}
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07:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29038 @ 0.0008737 = 25.3705 BTC [-] {2}
07:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12119 @ 0.0000916 = 1.1101 BTC [-] {12}
07:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00370131 = 0.7403 BTC [-] {3}
07:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 120 @ 0.02263437 = 2.7161 BTC [-] {19}
07:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 80 @ 0.01900173 = 1.5201 BTC [-] {7}
07:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0027 = 0.1107 BTC [-]
07:48	sub_stdio	test
07:54	RealEstate	Hi everyone any news ?
08:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.91910469 BTC to 9`577 shares, 9597 satoshi per share
08:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087242 = 10.818 BTC [-] {2}
08:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00087416 = 6.731 BTC [+] {2}
08:21	RealEstate	anyone here looking to sell real estate ?
08:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10780 @ 0.00087459 = 9.4281 BTC [+] {2}
08:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1250 @ 0.0027 = 3.375 BTC [-]
08:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0216942 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {6}
08:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19346 @ 0.00087126 = 16.8554 BTC [-] {4}
08:35	Perlboy	lols mircea made theregister: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/
08:37	davout	amazing
08:37	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
08:38	wao-ender	wow
08:38	wao-ender	mircea saved them
08:42	truffles	he's not all dick huh
08:54	wao-ender	mircea?
08:54	wao-ender	bitcoin baron, cmon
08:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10634 @ 0.00087459 = 9.3004 BTC [+] {3}
08:59	RealEstate	any tips?
08:59	wao-ender	RealEstate: what kind of country do you search for?
09:00	RealEstate	uk
09:00	wao-ender	i'm out
09:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 143 @ 0.69069362 = 98.7692 BTC [+] {13}
09:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00586709 = 0.8507 BTC [-] {4}
09:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.00560213 = 0.4258 BTC [-] {6}
09:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00550348 = 0.2917 BTC [-] {2}
09:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04800003 = 0.192 BTC [-]
09:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1218 @ 0.0055 = 6.699 BTC [-] {3}
09:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.70777 = 1.4155 BTC [+]
09:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 78 @ 0.00370101 = 0.2887 BTC [-]
09:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.73 = 7.3 BTC [+]
09:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00598344 = 0.5086 BTC [+] {5}
09:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00598919 = 0.3594 BTC [+] {4}
09:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00598999 = 0.1617 BTC [+] {2}
09:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.006 = 0.342 BTC [+]
09:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 118 @ 0.006 = 0.708 BTC [+] {2}
09:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.006002 = 0.6002 BTC [+] {2}
09:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00606965 = 1.8209 BTC [+] {5}
09:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00609 = 0.9927 BTC [+]
09:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47334 @ 0.00087044 = 41.2014 BTC [-] {7}
09:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 528 @ 0.00627632 = 3.3139 BTC [+] {9}
09:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00087593 = 16.7303 BTC [+] {3}
09:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00647973 = 0.486 BTC [+] {2}
09:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0064798 = 0.1231 BTC [+]
09:47	RealEstate	RealEstateForBitcoin.com
09:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00650669 = 0.3839 BTC [+] {3}
09:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.745 BTC [+]
09:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0065798 = 0.3093 BTC [+] {2}
09:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.745 BTC [+]
09:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12886 @ 0.00087563 = 11.2834 BTC [-]
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 88 @ 0.00315 = 0.2772 BTC [+]
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68001344 = 2.04 BTC [-] {3}
10:00	kakobrekla	RealEstate sersiouly, this is how you want it to end?
10:02	truffles	haha
10:06	punkman	I'd click it but it's not even clickable
10:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00087982 = 12.9334 BTC [+] {2}
10:21	deadweasel	https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001462.html
10:21	ozbot	Financial Cryptography: The Shamir-Grigg-Gutmann challenge -- DJB's counterexamples
10:24	truffles	hi deadweasel
10:25	truffles	hmm why do i need a cert for this site!
10:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00088058 = 29.4994 BTC [+] {3}
10:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02639993 = 0.3432 BTC [-]
10:38	kakobrekla	hm
10:38	kakobrekla	are they trolling with those security top tips bottom right
10:38	kakobrekla	or just stupid
10:41	nubbins`	this certificate was signed by an untrusted issuer
10:41	nubbins`	probably just stupid
10:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7996 @ 0.00088065 = 7.0417 BTC [+]
10:44	nubbins`	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/
10:46	jcpham	who the fuck is this mircea character?
10:50	nubbins`	heh
10:50	nubbins`	"A mysterious Bitcoin-powered white knight is reported to have come to the rescue of the struggling OpenBSD Foundation."
10:51	GSpotAssassin	jcpham: he runs http://mpex.co/ apparently
10:52	GSpotAssassin	(if you were being serious)
10:57	nubbins`	http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247/romanian-bitcoin-entrepreneur-steps-in-to-pay-openbsd-shortfall
10:57	ozbot	Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot
10:57	nubbins`	the /. story made the front page
10:57	RealEstate	kakobrekla sorry i missied that, we feel BTC will be used more this year to buy real estate
10:57	kakobrekla	yeah well i feel you are spammin
10:57	jurov	;;later tell BingoBoingo should have mentioned he was born in transylvania :DDD
10:57	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:59	KRS1	lmao
10:59	KRS1	<paavo> Everytime I want to like doge I see someone post enthusiastically like its gonna kill bitcoin an then I quit caring
10:59	KRS1	such dreams
11:00	jcpham	NEVER HEARD OF HIM GSpotAssassin
11:00	jcpham	SOUNDS LIKE DRAMA QUEEN
11:01	RealEstate	kakobrekla sorry it my first day in here so i do not know the best way to use this please feel free to advise me
11:02	nubbins`	lel
11:03	kakobrekla	RealEstate http://bitcoin-assets.com also http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
11:03	RealEstate	thank you very much i will look now
11:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0065798 = 0.329 BTC [+]
11:08	RealEstate	thank you for the links i have read through them and bookmarked
11:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10484 @ 0.00087731 = 9.1977 BTC [-]
11:13	KRS1	Did mircea_popescu really come to the rescue or was this an investment decision for him? In other words was it a philanthropic decision?
11:13	nubbins`	who cares?
11:13	nubbins`	openssh & pf
11:13	nubbins`	saved!
11:14	KRS1	openssh is openbsd?
11:14	KRS1	ya i guess it is isnt it
11:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00087464 = 56.7641 BTC [-] {5}
11:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5116 @ 0.00087486 = 4.4758 BTC [+]
11:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999987 = 0.5 BTC [+] {2}
11:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02619999 = 0.131 BTC [-]
11:23	pankkake	opensmtpd too, never tried it yet but it looks interesting
11:24	pankkake	interestingly, they talked about non-gnu implementations of pgp
11:25	pankkake	(on the channel later)
11:25	pankkake	http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197041 they're using their own stuff… meh
11:25	ozbot	OpenBSD Moving Towards Signed Packages — Based On D. J. Bernstein Crypto - Slashdot
11:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5949 @ 0.00088065 = 5.239 BTC [+]
11:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00088147 = 5.1125 BTC [+] {2}
11:27	KRS1	never used opensmtpd would be worth looking at i suppose..may be worth some effort with btc in mind.
11:27	pizzaman1337	S.MPOE getting some good volume today
11:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00087941 = 4.0893 BTC [-]
11:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 199 @ 0.00669963 = 1.3332 BTC [+] {10}
11:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00678652 = 3.3933 BTC [+] {4}
11:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00687179 = 3.4359 BTC [+] {5}
11:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00087941 = 7.0353 BTC [-]
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.085001 = 0.85 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 17 minutes ~
12:05	KRS1	http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html
12:05	ozbot	Donate to the OpenBSD Foundation
12:06	KRS1	...Oh wow, I know Chris Capuccio from damn..almost 15-20 yrs ago. I was a user on dqc.org for like..ever.
12:06	KRS1	I've always used FBSD, never really had any ties with the OpenBSD community.
		~ 32 minutes ~
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00649807 = 0.3249 BTC [-] {4}
12:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22899 @ 0.00087814 = 20.1085 BTC [-] {3}
12:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00379 = 0.1895 BTC [-]
12:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0029287 = 0.2929 BTC [+]
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00293999 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 27 minutes ~
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00681375 = 0.6473 BTC [+] {6}
13:18	asciilifeform	http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/
13:18	ozbot	The Etherkiller
		~ 19 minutes ~
13:38	azi_	haha
13:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6859 @ 0.00088014 = 6.0369 BTC [+]
13:42	asciilifeform	not bronze. that mexican recycled steel with the radioactive cobalt-60 in.
13:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00088014 = 8.1853 BTC [+]
14:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.006848 = 0.2191 BTC [-]
14:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 80 @ 0.003155 = 0.2524 BTC [+]
14:11	BingoBoingo	;;later tell truffles There are plenty of cures for particular cancers, just no blanket solution
14:11	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9791 @ 0.00088099 = 8.6258 BTC [+] {3}
14:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087979 = 8.534 BTC [-]
14:24	jcpham	more like rusty iron nail
14:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.006849 = 0.1233 BTC [+]
14:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 394 @ 0.0038 = 1.4972 BTC [+]
14:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.006848 = 0.1644 BTC [-]
14:29	the20year	10k
14:30	mike_c	what's the word the20year? havelock ipo moving along?
14:31	the20year	I'm waiting on calls/emails from them
14:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39270 @ 0.00088124 = 34.6063 BTC [+] {2}
14:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.006849 = 0.2192 BTC [+]
14:35	pankkake	http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/15/un-climate-chief-communism-is-best-to-fight-global-warming/
14:35	ozbot	UN climate chief: Communism is best to fight global warming | The Daily Caller
14:37	kakobrekla	maybe its just a countermeasure to the rise of the machinces
14:37	Duffer1	"democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming." at least for america, she's not wrong on that
14:38	Duffer1	"China may be the world’s top emitter of carbon dioxide and struggling with major pollution problems of their own, but the country is “doing it right” when it comes to fighting global warming" <--wow....
14:38	kakobrekla	well they cant breathe any more.
14:39	Apocalyptic	sounds like they're really doing it right then
14:53	the20year	how is china fighting global warming?
14:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00685 = 0.3357 BTC [+]
14:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.006875 = 0.2063 BTC [+]
		~ 16 minutes ~
15:12	deadweasel	;;later tell mircea_popescu thanks for saving OpenBSD :D
15:13	gribble	The operation succeeded.
15:22	Happzz	;;ident deadweasel
15:22	gribble	Nick 'deadweasel', with hostmask 'deadweasel!~deadwease@unaffiliated/deadweasel', is not identified.
15:22	Happzz	;;gpg info mircea_popescu
15:22	gribble	User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently not authenticated.
15:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00088199 = 10.1429 BTC [+] {2}
15:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006849 = 0.137 BTC [-]
15:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00088312 = 7.3299 BTC [+] {2}
15:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
15:39	thestringpuller	;;ls
15:39	gribble	What do you think I am, a shell?
15:39	thestringpuller	lol
15:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73999999 BTC [+]
15:40	jurov	ha
15:40	jurov	;;lasers x y
15:40	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
15:40	pankkake	;;rm
15:40	gribble	Error: "rm" is not a valid command.
15:40	pankkake	what are the x y?
15:41	pankkake	;;exit
15:41	gribble	Error: "exit" is not a valid command.
15:41	jurov	just tried if lasers accepts parameters (or coordinates)
15:41	jurov	;;cd
15:41	gribble	Error: "cd" is not a valid command.
15:41	jurov	;;rot13
15:41	gribble	(rot13 <text>) -- Rotates <text> 13 characters to the right in the alphabet. Rot13 is commonly used for text that simply needs to be hidden from inadvertent reading by roaming eyes, since it's easily reversible.
15:42	jurov	;;tell .bait
15:42	gribble	(tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
15:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48917 @ 0.00088323 = 43.205 BTC [+] {6}
15:42	jurov	http://www.bitcointrezor.com/news/2014-01-20-trezor-first-edition-delivery
15:43	jurov	they preannounced the delivery announcement
15:43	jurov	will be interesting if they or nsa ship first
15:43	ozbot	TREZOR The Bitcoin Safe - news
15:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999988 = 0.15 BTC [+]
15:44	Duffer1	s.nsa going for hardware wallets too?
15:44	jurov	not now
15:44	pankkake	;;rot13 nznmvat
15:44	gribble	amazing
15:44	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
15:45	jurov	but i can see them got swayed eventually
15:45	jurov	*get
15:45	benkay	wow cheers pankkake
15:45	asciilifeform	Duffer1: who said anything about s.nsa hardware wallets?
15:46	jurov	asciilifeform: vox populi
15:46	asciilifeform	i mean, i'm not opposed to the idea in principle, but this isn't what we're currently making
15:46	asciilifeform	in case anyone was confused.
15:47	Duffer1	nah i was just wondering if there were plans
15:48	jurov	if the hardware won't be too esoteric, maybe somebody else will add ecdsa signing
15:48	KRS1	;;lasers;`ps -ef`
15:48	gribble	Error: "lasers;`ps" is not a valid command.
15:48	jurov	but one-time bitcoin addresses... uhm erm...
15:48	asciilifeform	jurov: hardware is entirely reasonable, gcc targets it. you can add chess if you like.
15:49	pankkake	oh… so you can update the firmware
15:50	asciilifeform	pankkake: with an inexpensive tool, yes.
15:51	pankkake	maybe I'll buy one after all
15:51	pankkake	never did any embedded work, that might be an opportunity
15:53	asciilifeform	i never really understood the appeal of 'hardware wallet.' maybe someone would care to explain it to me
15:54	Hasbro	the faq is hilarious
15:54	nubbins`	now you can take btc on the road!
15:54	nubbins`	you couldn't before, or something
15:54	jurov	just a gizmo that's much more difficult to extract privkeys from than from computer
15:55	asciilifeform	but 'more convenient' than cold wallet. seems to me like this encourages a state of perdition.
15:55	pankkake	same appeal as a hardware pgp?
15:56	asciilifeform	pgp priv. key is: long; and used rather frequently
15:56	asciilifeform	btc priv. key is: compact, and (can be) used rarely
15:56	pankkake	hm, true, you don't use your cold wallet often
15:56	asciilifeform	so 'hardware wallet' is 'lukewarm'
15:58	mike_c	that seems attractive to me. i can keep more money in a lukewarm wallet instead of a hot one.
16:00	nubbins`	i dunno, i think you're fucked if you're trusting a trezor as a cold wallet
16:00	the20year	whats your opinion of electrum as a cold wallet nubbins?
16:00	the20year	Say on a pi
16:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00088593 = 17.63 BTC [+] {2}
16:01	nubbins`	suppose your pi stops working?
16:01	nubbins`	SD cards fail all the time
16:01	mike_c	nubbins`: yes, but wouldn't you like to replace your hot wallet with a snsa wallet?
16:01	nubbins`	i would not like to replace my hot wallet with something that doesn't exist, no
16:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.06244962 = 0.1249 BTC [+] {2}
16:02	nubbins`	TBH if your sole copy of your wallet is on any piece of hardware, you deserve what happens
16:03	mike_c	i would totally buy the snsa wallet pack with a device for cold storage and a device for lukewarm storage.
16:04	mike_c	i just said totally. shoot me please.
16:04	nubbins`	http://global.dymo.com/enCA/LabelsOverview/Metal_Tapes.html
16:04	ozbot	DYMO | Metal Tapes
16:04	the20year	What do you use as cold storage nubbins?
16:05	the20year	Metal embossed tape, as an alternative to paper?
16:06	nubbins`	paper is fine too, as long as you use the proper types
16:06	the20year	the metal would be pretty cool
16:06	nubbins`	well you can buy those embossed label makers anywhere
16:06	the20year	be much more interesting if you could emboss on a piece of metal a QR code for the storage
16:06	nubbins`	and if you're too cheap to buy metal tape, cut up a can of pepsi
16:07	the20year	Well, if you could use something like furnace tape, that'd be quite affordable
16:07	nubbins`	i'm less concerned with interesting :D
16:07	nubbins`	i don't think furnace tape can emboss, not sure tho
16:07	the20year	it's usually aluminum
16:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00088485 = 8.583 BTC [-] {2}
16:09	nubbins`	anyway, electronic storage is fine
16:10	nubbins`	just have backups in a couple places.
16:10	nubbins`	it's not like a little strip of aluminum kicking around somewhere is without risk
16:10	nubbins`	realistically, a brainwallet is one of the better choices, provided you can construct one that doesn't suck
16:16	kakobrekla	the password is: this one blows.
16:16	kakobrekla	lol
16:16	kakobrekla	bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/#b117
16:16	kakobrekla	moar whale
16:17	kakobrekla	http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/#b117
16:17	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
16:17	kakobrekla	fixd
16:18	mike_c	bitbet is going to make 20btc on this one bet. wow.
16:19	kakobrekla	wow much doge!
16:19	pankkake	oh you can permalink bets, cool
16:19	kakobrekla	yeah, thats new.
16:20	mike_c	happy birthday to bitbet. 1 year old, here's 20btc!
16:20	kakobrekla	o yeah right
16:20	kakobrekla	must be around 1 year
16:20	mike_c	congrats on that btw.
16:20	kakobrekla	contract sez
16:20	kakobrekla	Listed on : January 5, 2013
16:20	kakobrekla	Trading since : January 11, 2013
16:20	kakobrekla	thanks :)
16:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.04999997 = 3 BTC [+] {3}
16:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 237 @ 0.00684906 = 1.6232 BTC [-] {3}
16:26	nubbins`	anniversaries!
16:26	nubbins`	yah, congrats
16:26	kakobrekla	;;cake
16:26	gribble	Error: "cake" is not a valid command.
16:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.006848 = 0.4862 BTC [-]
16:26	nubbins`	it's been almost a year since i stopped working in a cubicle
16:26	kakobrekla	;;caek
16:26	gribble	Error: "caek" is not a valid command.
16:26	kakobrekla	well then, you will have to live with
16:26	kakobrekla	;;lasers
16:26	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
16:26	nubbins`	:D
16:27	nubbins`	i can use these to light the candles
16:27	kakobrekla	and make a stunning visual effects
16:27	nubbins`	and excite the cat
16:27	kakobrekla	fry the eyes
16:27	KRS1	the cake is a lie
16:28	kakobrekla	lasers is a lie
16:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39713 @ 0.00088769 = 35.2528 BTC [+] {5}
16:28	nubbins`	fry the cat
16:28	nubbins`	ASICMINER
16:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00641017 = 3.2051 BTC [-] {4}
16:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 300 @ 0.00370078 = 1.1102 BTC [-] {8}
16:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00090531 = 34.0397 BTC [+] {5}
16:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.0029 = 0.2755 BTC [+]
16:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.725 BTC [-]
16:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.729 = 1.458 BTC [+]
17:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00684978 = 0.226 BTC [-] {3}
17:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00275445 = 0.1377 BTC [-] {7}
17:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00686312 = 0.6794 BTC [+] {4}
17:14	jurov	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-19/germany-has-recovered-paltry-5-tons-gold-ny-fed-after-one-year
17:14	ozbot	Germany Has Recovered A Paltry 5 Tons Of Gold From The NY Fed After One Year | Zero Hedge
17:15	jurov	just barely better than bitfunder
17:16	pankkake	hehehe, my exact thoughts
17:17	pankkake	and you don't know where those coins, or gold bars are actually from
17:20	the20year	joy
17:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4273 @ 0.00090989 = 3.888 BTC [+]
17:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00083211 = 0.8321 BTC [-] {8}
17:51	deadweasel	oh yeah! one of bitbet, that's awesome! congrat kakobrekla
17:52	kakobrekla	ty, goes to mp as well.
17:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18667 @ 0.00090816 = 16.9526 BTC [-] {3}
18:01	deadweasel	yeah, he gets props for saving open bsd today.
18:01	deadweasel	bitbet too! :D
18:01	truffles	heh
18:03	deadweasel	i actually wondered that when i read teh openbsd plea.. and then boom, it was done.
18:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00009034 = 0.4517 BTC [-] {5}
18:03	deadweasel	amazing company!
18:03	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
18:03	truffles	would u have done something similiar?
18:03	deadweasel	I'm happy to have donated so much btc to mpex in my learning days.
18:04	deadweasel	truffles: am I billionare? no. I am philantrhopic other ways.
18:04	truffles	20k isnt much for thousandaire
18:05	truffles	unless its under 500k ?
18:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.0027177 = 0.3587 BTC [-] {5}
18:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0027177 = 0.1359 BTC [-] {3}
18:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12824 @ 0.00091535 = 11.7384 BTC [+] {3}
18:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10834 @ 0.00091986 = 9.9658 BTC [+] {2}
18:36	jurov	;;bc,stats
18:36	gribble	Current Blocks: 281584 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 655 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2156780826.35 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.52105
18:38	nubbins`	that should push it over 2B, no?
18:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.0027177 = 0.2854 BTC [-]
18:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.0027002 = 0.6805 BTC [-]
18:48	kakobrekla	Next Difficulty Estimate: 2156780826.35
18:48	kakobrekla	so yes
18:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 504 @ 0.0027002 = 1.3609 BTC [-] {2}
18:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 389 @ 0.00269131 = 1.0469 BTC [-] {3}
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19:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00098563 = 16.6079 BTC [+]
19:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18239 @ 0.00098748 = 18.0106 BTC [+] {3}
19:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.67000004 = 6.7 BTC [-]
19:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9473 @ 0.0009999 = 9.4721 BTC [+]
19:29	autotradefan	What do you think about AUTOTRADE on cryptostocks?
19:29	autotradefan	ponzi??
19:29	deadweasel	it's unlikely you will make money
19:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08999999 = 0.18 BTC [+] {2}
19:35	nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1vo71d/the_dogecoin_subreddit_raised_30000_for_the/
19:35	ozbot	The dogecoin subreddit raised $30,000 for the Jamaican bobsled team to go to the Olympics. : bestof
19:39	kakobrekla	hmm
19:39	truffles	wow
19:40	kakobrekla	at least they didnt support fbsd or something.
19:40	truffles	such humanity out there
19:46	KRS1	much love
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20:01	mircea_popescu	deadweasel lol yw.
20:02	mircea_popescu	so openbsd went from being in the red to 100k overnight huh. cool beans.
20:10	KRS1	Many thanks mircea_popescu, much appreciated. =]
20:11	mircea_popescu	i didn't do nuttin
20:11	KRS1	nvm then lol
20:11	mircea_popescu	it's all the other copycats
20:11	mircea_popescu	google et co.
20:11	KRS1	i dont know the details ok
20:11	KRS1	ill check now
20:12	KRS1	i didnt know Rev. Chris Capuccio was a big contributor. I was a customer of his 15-20 yrs ago for a while.
20:13	mircea_popescu	turns out openbsd really is quite popular in all the places that aren't social media.
20:15	KRS1	Chris helped me get on board with openssh very early on and I haven't looked back since.
20:15	KRS1	At the time I was still using SunOS.
20:16	mircea_popescu	is sunos still being maintained ?
20:17	benkay	"we won't be one-upped by some no-brand bitcoiner!"
20:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00099321 = 11.124 BTC [-]
20:18	mircea_popescu	whoa making the billion happen huh
20:18	benkay	wow mpoe rallying hard
20:18	mircea_popescu	i like all the "no way there is a bitcoin billionaire, brb let me push the stock up"
20:19	KRS1	haha thats awesome
20:19	benkay	all the 'analysts': 'well mp notionally has some nK BTC' and conveniently disregard mpoe holdings
20:19	benkay	s/conveniently disregard/have no idea 'cause derp
20:19	KRS1	I think sunOS got brought in by some open sourcers who stripped the licensed shit.
20:20	KRS1	such little support for it made it crapware imo
20:20	mircea_popescu	the way internet analysticing works is like this : the sun rises. up until noon, hail of posts explaining how it's the moon, the aliens, the weather baloons
20:20	mircea_popescu	after noon, hail of post explaining how the author has been always [or at least past six hours] saying the sun was always there and it won't ever set, either.
20:20	pankkake	accounting for shares probably bothers some as most of theirs are crap/scams/lost
20:21	mircea_popescu	that may be a point, i suppose a good chunk of people hanging on past the three month noob expiration date do so strictly on the basis of insulating their thinking and their memory.
20:22	pankkake	but that would be fun to have stats like the forbes top100… I bet you'd see a lot of ups and downs
20:22	mircea_popescu	well mike_c seems to be doing some of that.
20:22	mircea_popescu	the glbse & successors numbers were pretty fabulous, back in the day someone still thought it's funny
20:23	pankkake	it's not focused on people's holdings
20:23	mircea_popescu	"A lot of people on the Bitcointalk forums have made educated guesses, the fact is he still works on his business and charges for subscription to his blog, I doubt he has amassed the largest stash of Bitcoins in the world."
20:23	pankkake	rags-to-riches-to-rags
20:23	mircea_popescu	gotta like people.
20:24	benkay	mircea_popescu u don't work
20:24	pankkake	yes, bill gates probably isn't a billionnaire
20:24	mircea_popescu	there should be a special department of ibiza, aruba and whatever, attached to the irs.
20:24	decimation	re:sunos see the openindiana project http://openindiana.org
20:24	mircea_popescu	if your tax return exceed the official "has made it figure", they send you your moving papers.
20:24	mircea_popescu	benkay yes, but I CHARGE, which is almost as bad.
20:25	mircea_popescu	decimation aha ?
20:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05300001 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2}
20:27	pankkake	OpenIndinia is the open source fork of Solaris, but Solaris is still maintained by Oracle, as closed source
20:27	decimation	yeah
20:27	decimation	for background see this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc
20:27	decimation	there are excellent quotes in there
20:27	benkay	then transcribe them
20:28	benkay	videos have the worst s/n ratio on the internet
20:28	benkay	well reddit may be worse
20:28	decimation	"it is a mistake to anthropromorphize larry ellison"
20:28	mircea_popescu	o wait, sunos IS solaris isn't it
20:28	mircea_popescu	they just rebranded it some time ago
20:28	pankkake	decimation: lol
20:28	mircea_popescu	haha
20:29	benkay	wow whole table is lolling, decimation
20:29	benkay	oh god it's an hour long
20:29	benkay	keep the quotes coming!
20:29	KRS1	mircea_popescu- yes solaris
20:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.0498 = 0.498 BTC [-] {6}
20:29	KRS1	even though it was rebranded login still looked like:
20:29	KRS1	SunOS [ver]
20:29	KRS1	Login:
20:31	KRS1	Sun's CDE looked like something from Fisher Price
20:31	mircea_popescu	i suppose since everyone linked my twitter i should fish out a password for that account huh
20:31	pankkake	a bit like altcoins, they often miss Bitcoins to rename
20:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.04137842 = 0.3724 BTC [-] {4}
20:32	decimation	The upshot of the video is that the smart kernel developers working for Sun spent years arranging to open source the entire codebase
20:32	decimation	when Oracle bought them, Larry promptly closed everything. The stuff that had already been open (under the Sun Community License) remained in the open.
20:33	decimation	The "illumos" project picked it up and made it work, "openindiana" is a distribution based on that
20:33	decimation	I guess if you want a working implementation of zfs, that's what you need to use
20:33	Diablo-D3	yeah but the problem is
20:33	Diablo-D3	no open source impl of zfs
20:33	Diablo-D3	does encryption yet
20:33	Diablo-D3	decimation: and you're also still wrong
20:33	KRS1	imp the fruits of the open source efforts was derpy
20:33	Diablo-D3	the zfs on linux project uses the same source code as illumos
20:34	Diablo-D3	they all joined together to fork zfs away from oracle, since oracle is making changes just to be incompatible not to be useful
20:34	decimation	Redhat has released 'btrfs' in its 7.0 beta release
20:34	decimation	I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole
20:35	Diablo-D3	I use btrfs
20:35	Diablo-D3	I actually switched to btrfs from zfs
20:35	Diablo-D3	for small arrays its fine
20:35	decimation	I guess. I'm not sure it's ready for production
20:36	pankkake	I like btrfs' smart compression system; if the file doesn't look compressible it stops trying
20:36	Diablo-D3	it is, it just depends entirely what features you need
20:36	Diablo-D3	pankkake: which is stupid because lz4 already does that
20:37	pankkake	oh?
20:37	decimation	at 35:15 "What you think of Oracle is even 'truer' than you think it is."
20:37	Diablo-D3	and zfs has had lz4 for ages
20:37	pankkake	well lz4 wasn't an option when it was introduced
20:37	Diablo-D3	pankkake: it STILL doesnt have lz4
20:37	Diablo-D3	which pisses me off
20:37	Diablo-D3	lz4 is faster than btrfs + early fail
20:37	Diablo-D3	no matter if you use gzip or lzo
20:37	pankkake	oh right, patches exists but not merged or something
20:37	Diablo-D3	yeah
20:38	Diablo-D3	btrfs also lacks built in ssd caching support
20:38	Diablo-D3	ie, no zil or l2arc
20:38	Diablo-D3	it also doesnt support high complexity arrays
20:38	Diablo-D3	problem is
20:39	Diablo-D3	you cant boot ZoL on debian yet
20:39	decimation	"There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle."
20:39	pankkake	I guess you can use bcache with it
20:39	mircea_popescu	lol
20:39	Diablo-D3	decimation: false. the roman empire.
20:39	Diablo-D3	pankkake: yes, and I can also use mdcrypt, but thats fucktarded
20:39	mircea_popescu	this log will be useful the next time the clueless start-up ceo knowitall starts namedropping tech stuff.
20:39	Diablo-D3	pankkake: the whole point of using zfs is that this stuff is built in the correct way
20:39	pankkake	yeah
20:40	Diablo-D3	I wish ZoL would add encryption
20:40	Diablo-D3	even if its not compatible with oracle's impl
20:40	pankkake	it's not on freebsd either right?
20:40	Diablo-D3	because I simply dont give a fuck about oracle's impl, its no longer compatible with zfs
20:40	Diablo-D3	zfs is more than just code, its a standardization
20:40	Diablo-D3	oracle refuses to add to the spec their changes
20:41	Diablo-D3	so they've been locked out of zfs development
20:41	Diablo-D3	morons
20:41	Diablo-D3	pankkake: fbsd uses the same zfs code as everyone else
20:41	decimation	"Larry Ellison has been involved with two philanthropic organizations: first he made a 500 or 300 million dollar donation to Stanford. Oh, that sounds good. ... in exchange for not admitting wrongdoing in an options backdating scandal"
20:41	pankkake	eh… I wonder which is the most popular zfs OS now
20:41	Diablo-D3	pankkake: most likely linux
20:41	Diablo-D3	most solaris shops are dying out and switching to linux
20:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 16 @ 0.035 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}
20:42	decimation	"and then, all other philanthropic work is to Larry Ellison's Institute for the Prolonging Of Life ... namely his"
20:42	pankkake	even when freebsd offers more "official" support?
20:42	Diablo-D3	fbsd isnt any more official
20:42	Diablo-D3	its the same code base.
20:42	Diablo-D3	its maintained by that zfs organization Im forgetting the name of
20:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00099321 = 7.6477 BTC [-]
20:42	Diablo-D3	the one that was jointly started by ZoL, fbsd zfs, and illumos
20:43	pankkake	oh
20:43	pankkake	so not so much duplicated work
20:43	Diablo-D3	exactly, and also for compatibility
20:43	Diablo-D3	only solaris is no longer compatible with zfs
20:43	decimation	Diablo, is there a relationship between those people and the btrfs people?
20:43	pankkake	haha
20:43	Diablo-D3	which is ironic seeing as zfs started on solaris
20:43	Diablo-D3	decimation: no.
20:43	Diablo-D3	decimation: btrfs was started by oracle to kill zfs
20:44	Diablo-D3	but then oracle bought sun
20:44	Diablo-D3	and tried to merge the btrfs and zfs teams
20:44	pankkake	"sun had a political model like somalia"
20:44	Diablo-D3	and failed
20:44	Diablo-D3	oracle has an internal solaris version that can natively boot btrfs and supports all the solarisy zfs shit on btrfs
20:44	Diablo-D3	like, solaris containers running on a btrfs snapshot, etc
20:45	Diablo-D3	and can live convert low complexity zfs (ie, no features btrfs doesnt support) pools to btrfs
20:45	Diablo-D3	they never released it to public
20:45	Diablo-D3	and all their btrfs people left to other companies
20:47	mircea_popescu	all this hero talk reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZVac0GnZ9g#t=263
20:48	decimation	I donno. I think the Google model has shown that's it's probably better to run many dedicated servers and do your file redundancy/synchronization at the application layer.
20:48	benkay	decimation: what's the timestamp for the options-backdating thinger?
20:48	decimation	around 37:32
20:48	mircea_popescu	benkay http://jurist.org/forum/2006/11/criminal-excess-backdating-stock.php
20:50	benkay	mircea_popescu decimation: can either of you help me source the donation to stanford claim?
20:52	mircea_popescu	what part ? that he donated some dough to stanford ?
20:53	benkay	nevermind.
20:53	decimation	according to his wikipedia page it appears it was part of a settlement of some kind
20:53	benkay	amazing
20:53	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
20:53	benkay	corruption is what people without access to the levers of power call access to the lever of powers
20:53	benkay	levers* power*
20:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00099321 = 15.0471 BTC [-]
20:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00099327 = 33.8705 BTC [+] {2}
20:56	decimation	speaking of the ruination that fiat finance brings to everything, here's Philip Greenspun on prices back in in the 1890's
20:56	decimation	http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/01/18/prices-back-in-the-old-days/
20:56	mircea_popescu	a point not nearly made often enough.
20:56	ozbot	Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Prices back in the old days
20:57	decimation	?In 1890, professors salaries [at Amherst College] were $ 2,500, more than twenty times tuition. The step up from laborer to professor was immense, for the average wage earner in 1890 earned $425 a year. ?
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21:00	mircea_popescu	yes. obvious stuff like "the us was made great BY inequality and was rendered pitiful BY equality"
21:01	decimation	Hugh Hendry has made the point that China is screwed because its industrialization is taking place under a fiat regime, wheras the US was industrialized under a more-or-less gold standard
21:01	decimation	His thesis is that this has led to massive overproduction by China to game the large aggregate economic figures
21:02	mircea_popescu	there is definitely some truth to that
21:02	mircea_popescu	and perhaps merit to the fiat corruption theory.
21:02	mircea_popescu	ie, you can never get rich under a fiat system, all you can do is become poor. it's at least the consensus of pre-fiat economists everywhere.
21:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.67000041 = 3.35 BTC [+] {2}
21:13	mircea_popescu	a little from the lulz department :
21:13	mircea_popescu	http://imgur.com/AyuZai5
21:13	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
21:15	pankkake	lol
21:16	mircea_popescu	five minutes ago i didn't even know that site existed. oh internets.
21:17	pankkake	but don't worry, you also just made a friend http://pastebin.com/0nuK25es
21:18	decimation	LoL. Would you consider yourself to be libertarian, Mircea?
21:18	pankkake	https://linuxfr.org/users/thom/journaux/nourrir-les-vaches-openbsd-a-recu-des-fonds was mostly about how bitcoin isn't money and how it's bad to make money with money
21:19	mircea_popescu	decimation that'd depend. i'm not a us citizen, so perhaps is like asking me if i'm a christian democrat
21:19	mircea_popescu	;
21:19	mircea_popescu	pankkake so logically, if bitcoin isn't money and it's bad to make money with money, then bitcoin is good ?
21:20	pankkake	that wasn't in the same argument, but well
21:20	decimation	Yeah. In the US, "libertarian" means "someone who doesn't vote for either Democrats or Republicans."
21:20	mircea_popescu	well that'd be me then, i never voted.
21:20	mircea_popescu	pankkake i kinda liked the guy with the "funny how openbsd elec bill is paid by the result of bitcoin mining"
21:21	pankkake	hehe yeah
21:22	decimation	It's probably only a matter of time until US citizenship is bestowed upon everyone who is a citizen of the "international community"
21:23	mircea_popescu	that matter of time will have to wait for after i'm dead.
21:23	decimation	probably.
21:28	KRS1	lol <nostrich> ppl saying their wallets are empty on cryptsy now omg
21:30	decimation	it would be hilarious if people are stealing dogecoin
21:30	pankkake	I think it happened already
21:30	mircea_popescu	wait cryptsy is still a thing ?!
21:30	KRS1	yes, it is still shit.
21:31	pankkake	why wouldn't it, they have billions of altcoins there
21:31	pankkake	as long as altcoins will be a thing…
21:31	pankkake	http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/12/26/virtual-currency-dogecoin-suffers-first-hack-as-13000-is-stolen-from-an-online-wallet-service/
21:31	ozbot	Dogecoin Hacker Makes Off With $13,000
21:31	KRS1	thats like stealing pennis..why not take the good stuff.
21:31	KRS1	pennies
21:31	dub	stealing wat
21:32	Duffer1	hehe
21:32	quellhorst	i'm sorry your pennis got stolen :(
21:32	mircea_popescu	wait 13k dogecoins are worth something ?
21:32	mircea_popescu	what's the rate, anyone know offhand ?
21:32	quellhorst	http://coinmarketcap.com/
21:33	ozbot	Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin Nxt MasterCoin DogeCoin N
21:33	KRS1	enough shit it becomes maneur..enough maneur becomes fertilizer...someone will pay for a lot of crap.
21:33	quellhorst	doge sure is growing fast
21:33	Duffer1	185 satoshi
21:33	quellhorst	100% in the past 7 days
21:34	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418450.0 Bitcoin 44%, Dogecoin 28%, Litecoin a measly 14%
21:34	KRS1	cant wait to hear stories of the bagholders
21:34	ozbot	[Research Study] Your First Crypto Coin
21:34	mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.0015* 13000
21:34	gribble	19.5
21:34	mircea_popescu	so someone stole... twenny bux ?!
21:34	quellhorst	lol
21:34	pankkake	article mentions $13,000
21:34	pankkake	so, in USD
21:34	quellhorst	i have my doubts
21:34	mircea_popescu	but wait
21:35	mircea_popescu	;;calc 13000 / 0.0015
21:35	gribble	8666666.66667
21:35	mircea_popescu	someone stole all the dogecoin ?
21:35	quellhorst	yeah like 9 million dog coins
21:35	mircea_popescu	it couldn't have possibly mined 8mn in the 6 weeks it was alive
21:35	mircea_popescu	does it do like 1k blocks or something ?
21:35	quellhorst	there are 32 billion dog coins
21:35	mircea_popescu	uh
21:35	quellhorst	mircea_popescu: yeah
21:36	mircea_popescu	so really, the correct figure is more like 0.0000015
21:36	quellhorst	As of January 13, 2014, 28% of the 100 billion total dogecoins have been mined
21:36	mircea_popescu	ic
21:37	mircea_popescu	looky, there's 80 altchains onthat page.
21:37	pankkake	and theres at least 3× more active
21:37	mircea_popescu	pankkake how many of those are due to your evil ?
21:37	pankkake	just one, but people are still mining it
21:38	mircea_popescu	wait. the claim is that doge mkt cap > 2x ltc mkt cap ?
21:38	mircea_popescu	ahahahahaha
21:38	pankkake	no
21:38	mircea_popescu	in what alternative universe lmao
21:38	mircea_popescu	um am i reading it wrong ?
21:38	mircea_popescu	o o yeah i was looking at volume nm
21:39	quellhorst	http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/17/technology/yahoo-golden-parachute/index.html $60 million severance after 18 months
21:39	ozbot	Golden parachute for fired Yahoo executive may be record breaker - Jan. 17, 2014
21:39	pankkake	bernankoin claims it though, since there has been one transaction at 1BEK=1USD
21:39	mircea_popescu	lol 2bn worth of ripples. okay, that's even funnier.
21:39	quellhorst	yahoo should have sold to microsoft :(
21:39	quellhorst	fucking idiots
21:39	mircea_popescu	wow they firede her ?!
21:39	quellhorst	lol, no
21:39	quellhorst	they fired someone she hired
21:40	quellhorst	eventually people will figure she is also the wrong person for the job
21:40	mircea_popescu	so who does she even hire
21:40	mircea_popescu	i don't know there's any coo willing to work at yahoo, unless you end up taking twitter experts or something
21:41	knotwork	I think I might finally have a usable idea for something to float as an asset.
21:41	mircea_popescu	blow us away.
21:42	decimation	I wonder how many people automatically invest in Yahoo every week by virtue of their listing on the S&P 500
21:42	knotwork	For half a million Canadian or less I can get an ex military base with full backup power and surveillance and electric alarms fence and keypad operated gates and 60ft or so sattelite dish (the kind inside a geodesic dome with tracking engines etc to track a satelite)
21:43	benkay	(or less!)
21:43	knotwork	four crew quarters for live in crew, full raised floors etc etc for all computer rooms, and on and on like that
21:43	knotwork	Or less, yes. I was supposed to sell for 500k CAD but financing of the buyer fell through
21:43	asciilifeform	knotwork: why so cheap? arctic circle?
21:43	decimation	sounds like an ideal evil lair
21:43	quellhorst	mircea_popescu: you sell the damn company
21:44	knotwork	Near Wentworth in Nova Scotia, ex NATO site
21:44	quellhorst	she doesn't hire anyone
21:44	quellhorst	but of course she won't do that, she thinks she can make a better google
21:44	knotwork	Only 4.5 acres not like an army base wit barracks
21:44	quellhorst	she basically got demoted at google before the yahoo job
21:44	mircea_popescu	decimation the acid drip
21:44	knotwork	It does sound like an idea evil lair thats why I thought it might be worth looking into going in with some people to get it
21:44	asciilifeform	these are sometimes sold in the u.s., but are typically gutted when put on the market.
21:45	asciilifeform	nothing in the old missile shafts really works correctly
21:45	decimation	It might be an old Nike site
21:45	knotwork	this is not gutted, the generators all work the survellance all works the gates etc etc
21:45	mircea_popescu	knotwork well yes but have you ever run a dc before ?
21:46	knotwork	I thought the bitcoins in sapce project could maybe transmit to its sattelite from there for example
21:46	the20year1	knotwork: where in canada? How much land?
21:46	knotwork	I ran an ISP here in Halifax
21:46	the20year1	guess if i would have read through i could of found my answers
21:46	knotwork	Its the sattelite dish and the huge ackaup power room with all the knobs and dials and such i am not so sure how to operate
21:47	mircea_popescu	well turn them all one at a time :D
21:48	knotwork	I was thinmking it could offer hosting for miners for example as one use for it. I'd want to put solar panels all over it and windmills its in mountainous area (there is ski-ing up in that part of Nova Scotia thought not year-round at least not with natural snow) so should be good for wind
21:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [+]
21:49	knotwork	So I figured one would want to spend at least as much fillign it with miners or whatever as one spends on buying the facility itself
21:49	knotwork	owner is eager to sell but I dont know how low one could talk them down too, plus who knows someone else mgiht put in an offer though it sounds like no one has yet
21:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6700004 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2}
21:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00684269 = 0.2806 BTC [+] {2}
21:49	knotwork	or if they have maybe its too lowball
21:49	mircea_popescu	o, it's not like a state auction ?
21:50	knotwork	Presumably not an auction no. It cost 8million to build in 1983 so maybe it was auctioned and the buyer who bid the half mill financing fell through
21:51	mircea_popescu	aha
21:51	knotwork	mircea I can give you confidentially the full brochure URLs but I dont want to give that to snipers they might have gleaned enough info already to snipe it
21:52	the20year1	sounds fun
21:52	the20year1	although i don't know how you could cashflow or make money off it
21:52	knotwork	Personally half a mill is too large a percent of my wealth to want to blow it all on one investment especially since I except bitcoins will appreciate faster than it will
21:52	the20year1	I'd rather continue to buy mid-ohio dumps
21:52	mircea_popescu	well they're not useful to me, i don't much care for real estate and i know nothing at all of that market.
21:53	mircea_popescu	maybe one of the miners/pools/asic producers is looking for space.
21:53	decimation	sounds like this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Satellite_Ground_Terminal_Folly_Lake
21:53	knotwork	see someone found the site already yes the folly lake site is for sale
21:53	the20year1	i've got a backup bid on a nice property here that was at auction Saturday - 2br 1ba , two, two car garages, $16k
21:55	knotwork	oh it says the dish is 45 ft the seller must have meant the geodesic it is in is the 60 ft
21:55	knotwork	the whole main building is mil spec radio-shielded
21:56	knotwork	there must be some radical bitcoin miners who will like the idea of hosting in an EMP-hardended datacente
21:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0068 = 0.68 BTC [-]
21:57	mircea_popescu	mining via satellite uplink is hella expensive.
21:57	benkay	most are more interested in profit margins than emotional siting
21:57	knotwork	the sattelite dish is a conundrum what to do with, yes. Maybe just sell that off and use the geodesic for something else
21:57	benkay	.bait
21:57	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcltyjKDlU1qbwslto1_500.jpg
21:58	knotwork	unless bitcoins in space could find use for it
21:58	benkay	.bait
21:58	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1eu9xpkOt1robyj0o1_1280.jpg
21:58	Duffer1	why would you sell the dish that's the best part
21:58	nubbins`	where's wentworth located in NS?
21:59	Duffer1	it's not a supervillain layer without it
21:59	decimation	probably because it's broken
21:59	knotwork	well maybe we can hack sattelites with the disk
21:59	knotwork	dish
21:59	asciilifeform	btc over shortwave!
21:59	decimation	actually btc might work on shortwave
21:59	asciilifeform	good place for the transmitter?
21:59	nubbins`	knotwork, any environmental damage? chem/oil spills etc?
21:59	nubbins`	old military bases sometimes leave messes
22:00	asciilifeform	you don't need a princely mil-sup estate for a radio station, though.
22:01	knotwork	the external diesel fuel tanks were removed either to prevent env damage or maybe because they saw it coming if they were left to rot wihle the building was not in use
22:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6710102 = 1.342 BTC [+] {2}
22:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21290 @ 0.00099302 = 21.1414 BTC [-] {2}
22:01	decimation	sounds like a few hundred $ in cleanup costs alone
22:01	decimation	hundred thousand $ I mean
22:01	asciilifeform	does it come with the legal permit to hang around in canada?
22:01	decimation	lol
22:01	asciilifeform	or is that sold separately
22:02	knotwork	Yeah but a princely mil-spec estate is a nice thing for any bitcoin millionaire to have, its just I am not quite ready to buy it all by myself yet.
22:02	knotwork	maybe next month when bitcoins are $2000+ if its still available I might go for it alone
22:02	asciilifeform	knotwork: but why would he put it in a '5 eye' country?
22:02	nubbins`	^
22:02	asciilifeform	'pentagram of evil'
22:02	benkay	5 eye?
22:03	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 938 @ 0.00166612 = 1.5628 BTC [-]
22:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25024 @ 0.00099279 = 24.8436 BTC [-]
22:03	knotwork	I live in a 5 eye country and am a citzen of another (a Brit living in Canada)
22:03	asciilifeform	'UKUSA treaty'
22:03	nubbins`	benkay: usa, canada, uk, australia, uh...
22:03	nubbins`	new zealand?
22:03	knotwork	https://www.google.com/search?q=Reteif+five+eyed+little+sticky-fingers
22:03	knotwork	https://www.google.com/search?q=Retief+five+eyed+little+sticky-fingers
22:03	nubbins`	essentially the Cabal of Whitey
22:04	knotwork	yeah I am white too
22:05	mircea_popescu	i tell you tho, real estate is a professional line, like any other.
22:05	mircea_popescu	running a dc is a technical line, also.
22:05	mircea_popescu	you don't just start doing either.
22:05	the20year1	you guys should buy some rentals in Ohio
22:05	the20year1	the ultimate real estate experience
22:06	knotwork	Running a DC is something I can do, its just an ISP writ large
22:06	nubbins`	i've already got enough experience to keep me busy without owning something in another country ;p
22:06	mircea_popescu	i mean all through late 2000s average folk figured they're in real estate, "honey the house made more than i did this week",
22:06	mircea_popescu	but it didn't overall end wel lfor them.
22:07	KRS1	1 1/2 to 2 hour wait for Papa John's pizza delivery wtf.
22:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00099376 = 10.037 BTC [+]
22:07	mircea_popescu	knotwork then perhaps the right move is to partner with a bank, take a loan at a decent rate if possible, pad your costs and buy extra miners.
22:07	mircea_popescu	KRS1 this is the time of day the delivery boys are fucking the pizzaiolo gals.
22:07	knotwork	Yeah maybe the best way is to figure princely estates are not intended to be investments, so go for a mortgage instead of making it an investment corp of any type
22:07	mircea_popescu	right in the dough!
22:07	knotwork	no bank will give me a mortgage, they dont count bitcoins as collateral
22:08	mircea_popescu	knotwork if you wish to run the dc then you definitely want to bring a real estate/finance type on your team.
22:08	mircea_popescu	but the purchase itself can be collateralized.
22:08	knotwork	I could lock up 500+ bitcoins as collateral
22:08	KRS1	mircea_popescu: i live in south florida, where many consider ground zero for the banking/real estate fuck. I can tell you some horror stories. One scenario I like is the guy who makes $35K a year who bought a $350K house who now lives in a slum apartment with ruined credit.
22:08	knotwork	600+
22:08	knotwork	whatever
22:08	mircea_popescu	if you're thinking of such deals then you must have the credit and connections already which'd allow you to pick up a mil or two on something under 5% a year on the basis of you putting up a quarter of the cost or less in cash.
22:09	knotwork	I just dont want to spend 500 to 600 bitcoins this soon
22:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00098889 = 25.4145 BTC [-] {3}
22:09	asciilifeform	at the risk of opening the door to the cold wind of reality: what's the business model?
22:09	nubbins`	brrr, just got a chill
22:10	nubbins`	did someone just open a door?
22:10	asciilifeform	build a data house where you're stuck with $1/MB dish for isp?
22:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00099397 = 51.587 BTC [+] {2}
22:10	mircea_popescu	KRS1 i can top that : all through the late 2000s, a coupla banks here sold suckers house loans denominated in swiss francs, on the premise they were ~1% cheaper interest. this, after fees and all, amounted to maybe 500 bucks saved.
22:10	mircea_popescu	then the franc went up 2x.
22:10	nubbins`	relevant cohen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SgC42_qdjs
22:10	knotwork	well the model that is causing me to not want to spend that many bitcoins this soon is I expect half a mill worth of today bitcoins to be five mill quite soon, likely sooner than many folk expect
22:10	asciilifeform	what goes in #2, in the canonical 2) ??? 3) profit!
22:11	mircea_popescu	knotwork if that's the entire plan you seem better off laying out some btc on the 10k bet than buying ex-military facilities.
22:11	nubbins`	heh, ^
22:11	knotwork	right now I am making more just doing stupid filling of orderbooks with lowballs buy offers and highball sell offers than anything else I have been doing
22:11	knotwork	what 10k bet?
22:12	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
22:12	ozbot	BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
22:12	KRS1	I truely believe in Dariwnism at work in finance.
22:12	decimation	knotwork, it's hard to imagine any business model denominated in fiat that will beat your "model"
22:12	decimation	if bitcoin is still on an upward climb, than it's probably better to hold
22:13	knotwork	I am not convinced the place will still be available by the time that bet is settled
22:13	mircea_popescu	related : http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png
22:13	decimation	that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment
22:13	knotwork	I want the place when I have more bitcoins than I have right now but by then it might not still be available, basically
22:13	mircea_popescu	so who cares, basically ?
22:14	mircea_popescu	by the time you have more bitcoin you can buy a larger place
22:14	decimation	what if divest a few hundred btc and now have an ex-military dump?
22:14	mircea_popescu	does it have to be this one ?
22:14	knotwork	<decimation> that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment --> that is why my thinking changed since arriving here from get investors to its a princely estate not an investment I just dont want to let go that many bitcoins this soon
22:14	asciilifeform	buy a submarine instead.
22:14	decimation	so you are looking for greater fools then
22:14	KRS1	I dont mind if a pizza guy has to get laid, as long as its not near my pizza.
22:14	asciilifeform	as discussed 3 days ago.
22:14	KRS1	.bait
22:14	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjch8W8dW1qfo740o1_1280.jpg
22:15	knotwork	Hmm okay maybe I should try to research how often places this interesting come available
22:15	the20year1	The increase in btc value certainly doesn't help me too much
22:15	mircea_popescu	well, let's put it this way : canada is running on a deficit. eventually the whole shebang will go up on auction.
22:15	dub	buy your own island in panama for less
22:15	knotwork	its also true that if bitcoins skyrockets a lot I wont care if a place is a steal or not I will just pay high to get what I want "at any price" kind of thing
22:15	mircea_popescu	wait a few years, buy her majesty's lieutenant general's children.
22:15	dub	or likely many many nicer places than a freezing shithole in moosecock territory
22:16	mircea_popescu	dub but he lives there already.
22:16	knotwork	are the Lt-Gen's children cute?
22:16	mircea_popescu	he saves on plane tickets this way.
22:16	mircea_popescu	knotwork well you can also buy a plastic surgeon
22:16	decimation	I think the bitcoin talk forum is where you want to go if you are looking for greater fools
22:16	knotwork	Ah but here I get much better perspective on the whole thing
22:17	mircea_popescu	"neet perspective ? talk to an ashhole."
22:17	dub	http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/captain-willys-caye-belize
22:17	mircea_popescu	dub you and the fucking global warming huts.
22:17	kakobrekla	a strong tide and your are out of land to stand on
22:18	mircea_popescu	how high's the water, kako...
22:18	knotwork	I dont want something with lots of power so I can do lots of mining, and with lots of room for solar and wind. water power would be nice too but I havent seen anything good with water power potential yet
22:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67000027 = 2.01 BTC [-] {2}
22:18	decimation	or you could be living next to John McAfee and be murdered
22:18	knotwork	I do want something with ltos of power I mean
22:18	the20year1	an island you have a shot at tidal
22:18	kakobrekla	tidal washing?
22:18	mircea_popescu	mcafee got mordored ?!
22:19	the20year1	Tidal power
22:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.0009866 = 25.7503 BTC [-] {2}
22:19	knotwork	Not sure I want an island, I can get seasick just on the PEI ferry
22:19	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nah, his neighbour (supposedly!) did.
22:19	decimation	no, he is allegedly the murderer
22:19	mircea_popescu	nowai, he's all tough and shit http://cdni.wired.co.uk/620x413/k_n/McAfee.jpg
22:19	dub	easy to fix seasickness
22:19	mircea_popescu	drink ?
22:19	decimation	That's why Intel now calls it "Intel Security" instead of "McAfee anti-virus"
22:20	dub	two ways, tactical and strategic
22:20	dub	tactical, smoke weed = instafix
22:20	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this story reminds me of the sad story of some weirdo pua guy. in 2010 i said something like "if you date this guy you have good chances to end up shot in the face, because he is going to shoot someone in the face". in 2011 he was booked on charges of
22:20	dub	the other is to subject yourself to it for a week or more
22:20	mircea_popescu	having shot some woman in the jaw
22:20	asciilifeform	decimation: mcaffee claimed, in an interview, that he's been demanding that his name be taken off the crapware for a decade now.
22:21	decimation	lol
22:21	nubbins`	dub, i tactically smoke weed for this very reason
22:21	nubbins`	if i don't, i might get seasick
22:21	decimation	except:
22:21	decimation	http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/08/technology/john-mcafee/
22:21	dub	can't fault that stoner logic
22:21	mircea_popescu	does weed give you sea sickness in the desert to even things out ?
22:21	knotwork	I am also looking at http://www.valj.com/index.php?mact=VAN,cntnt01,default,1&cntnt01category=comm&cntnt01inc=A&cntnt01listid=4456&cntnt01returnid=60&p=60 and http://annapolis.kijiji.ca/c-real-estate-other-Price-reduced-Farm-for-sale-homestead-self-reliant-possible-W0QQAdIdZ512786311 which are prices I am not so loath to spend right now
22:21	decimation	He said Intel lost a great marketing opportunity when he was being chased through the jungles of Central America. Instead of shying away from the McAfee name, Intel should have leveraged press about his misadventures and taken a more edgy approach.
22:21	decimation	"Roll with it. Hire a creative marketing team and see what you can do with this," he said. Executives should have asked, "How can we do creative marketing to change Intel from a staid, stodgy company to a shaker and mover?"
22:21	ozbot	John McAfee escaped police and lost his fortune. Now he's enjoying art in Canada. - Jan. 8, 2014
22:22	mircea_popescu	intel wants to be edgy about as much as i want to be politically correct.
22:22	mircea_popescu	what nonsense is this!
22:22	asciilifeform	time for usg to rename its organs in line with the new 'soviet' reality
22:22	asciilifeform	intel -> 'dept. of microprocessors'
22:22	decimation	Maybe McAfee will buy your military base, now that he is allowed to reside in Canada, apparently
22:23	asciilifeform	microshaft -> 'dept. of software'
22:23	kakobrekla	knotwork you want a chocholate bar or a chocholate factory?
22:23	dub	turns out there are hundreds of islands for under $500k in canada
22:23	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: you can't smoke weed in the desert, it's too hot
22:23	pankkake	I want oompa loompas
22:23	decimation	NYT -> dept. of journalism
22:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18738 @ 0.00098657 = 18.4863 BTC [-]
22:23	asciilifeform	ministry of trooth.
22:23	mircea_popescu	"He added that for his own security he has other people buy his computer equipment for him, uses pseudonyms for setting up computers and logging in, and changes his IP address several times a day.["
22:23	mircea_popescu	wikipedia rocks, seriously now.
22:23	mircea_popescu	i too use pseudonyms when logging in.
22:23	knotwork	I dont want to run out of space or power for my datacentre that I want to have
22:23	nubbins`	heh
22:24	nubbins`	fun fact, nubbins` is not my birth name
22:24	pankkake	"changes his IP" lol
22:24	kakobrekla	chocolate cake then
22:24	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform your mastery of newspeak it doubleplus shitty, comrade.
22:24	mircea_popescu	"department of see computer run"
22:24	asciilifeform	not my forte, truly.
22:24	nubbins`	dept of thinkboxthink
22:24	knotwork	right now I am putting in a 400 amp hookup in my country-house but but that is now going to be done as a "home business" in which I will purportedly only use 25% of the house for business
22:25	the20year1	only 400a?
22:25	mircea_popescu	also department of reboot
22:25	nubbins`	home business is the way to go
22:25	knotwork	as to make it commercial I would need wheelshair ramps, parking for however many customers/staff and on like that
22:25	mircea_popescu	knotwork do you have 4 bathrooms ?
22:25	knotwork	no I have no bath at all yet that is part of what is currently being installed in the house
22:25	asciilifeform	100 amps per?
22:25	mircea_popescu	pankkake shitty isp, best security.
22:26	kakobrekla	knotwork running dc is not worth it if not on LARGE scale
22:26	mircea_popescu	canadian definitions of a "house" continue to amaze.
22:26	pankkake	shitty isp would have to lose its logs
22:26	mircea_popescu	so what's a barn over there ?
22:26	pankkake	but very very good isps know how to lose logs too :)
22:26	kakobrekla	bunker being small.
22:27	asciilifeform	lose logs, upstream isp 'forgets to lose' his - or comes up with new ones as needed.
22:27	asciilifeform	as if this saved anyone
22:27	knotwork	Open Transactions is deisgned to work without transaction-history (logs? what logs?) but legal quagmire around that is probably quite a quagmire
22:28	knotwork	But I do not want to put anything that has private keys in any third party datacentre
22:28	asciilifeform	stego example
22:28	knotwork	Otherwise the keys are in essence not private
22:28	asciilifeform	there are 'isp' that deal /only/ in... electric meter readings.
22:28	kakobrekla	yeah but then you dont need a wheelstair ramp.
22:28	asciilifeform	all of your data had better look like a plausible meter figure.
22:28	the20year1	broadband over electric line, yeah
22:28	knotwork	meters can be read by sattelite nowadays
22:28	asciilifeform	and the challenge is on the enemy to determine that it isn't.
22:28	the20year1	Our local power co-op did all the work to do broadband over lines...they're the only one that uses it
22:29	asciilifeform	(not to be confused with data-over-powerline)
22:29	asciilifeform	at least, around here the meters use 'gsm'
22:29	asciilifeform	just an example of 'clean isp'
22:29	asciilifeform	(and now that we said it, it cannot be used.)
22:30	the20year1	i think they ended up figuring like $25/mo for 768kbps for a residential user
22:30	knotwork	mircea_popescu, a canadian house: https://www.google.com/search?q=igloo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
22:30	asciilifeform	this is like those 'how to hide from customs' books.
22:30	asciilifeform	if read literally, it can only be a guide for what not to do.
22:30	decimation	I thought the smart meters used some kind of mesh network
22:30	knotwork	of course in the old days we lived in shoeboxes in the middle of the gutters
22:30	asciilifeform	not here. just cell grid.
22:31	kakobrekla	shoebox? you were lucky.
22:31	dub	luxury
22:32	knotwork	mircea_popescu, how/where do you host MPOE? how many techies guards gosh knows what have access to the hardware?
22:32	mircea_popescu	yes.
22:32	kakobrekla	:D
22:32	mircea_popescu	"Vice accidentally gave away his location at a Guatemalan resort in early December 2012, when a photo taken by one of its journalists accompanying McAfee was posted with the Exif geolocation metadata still attached." cute.
22:32	knotwork	do you keep the private keys at your own site and all the third party places have to call home any time something needing the key happens?
22:33	decimation	supposedly McAfee was disguised, but then wen to talk with the media
22:33	dub	he has an army of amazonian bbw's guarding his shit
22:33	decimation	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9688101/John-McAfee-disguised-as-Guatemalan-street-hawker-with-a-limp.html
22:33	ozbot	John McAfee 'disguised as Guatemalan street hawker with a limp' - Telegraph
22:34	mircea_popescu	"Everything I owned was in Belize. I left with nothing in my pocket," he said.
22:34	mircea_popescu	seems improbable.
22:35	mircea_popescu	the bbw amazons i mean.
22:35	mircea_popescu	besides, he's working on biopics. that's a sure sign of desperation.
22:35	KRS1	wow pizza here already
22:36	KRS1	I'm gonna call them, they told me it would be 1-2 hrs damnit.
22:36	the20year1	yay
22:37	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/9d9bae8644c0a20469c55d8e3abb5df7/tumblr_mnwjpdMA1q1rjvhtio1_500.jpg << in case you ever wondered how the french made all those metal fence patterns
22:38	kakobrekla	lol
22:38	KRS1	those girls can be lots of fun
22:38	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/be34e69bbbc721e43e03eb10626f26a9/tumblr_mow5yf3J0a1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
22:38	mircea_popescu	liek.
22:38	kakobrekla	well, they certanly are lots of something.
22:39	kakobrekla	the boobs are odd.
22:39	KRS1	shes not bad..bbw goes downhill from there.
22:40	mircea_popescu	could do with more muscle.
22:48	mircea_popescu	anyone got a better pars-pro-toto representative for marxism than Althusser ?
22:57	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/harbour-grace-cathedral-found-to-be-worthless-1.2503309
22:57	ozbot	Harbour Grace cathedral found to be worthless - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
22:57	nubbins`	Altus Group found that the building currently has a market value of zero.
22:57	nubbins`	fuck a military base
23:00	nubbins`	hahaha, this:
23:00	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/judge-to-decide-if-kenny-green-broke-bail-1.2503764
23:00	ozbot	Judge to decide if Kenny Green broke bail - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
23:00	nubbins`	guy gets out on bail, condition is not to enter a licensed drinking establishment
23:00	nubbins`	is arrested exiting a jungle-themed family restaurant that happens to serve booze
23:03	mircea_popescu	how would someone know what's a licensed pub ?
23:03	mircea_popescu	i could license my garage if i wanted.
23:04	nubbins`	well, exactly
23:05	nubbins`	anyway, the murder this guy is accused of committing took place about 50 meters southeast of my house
23:06	nubbins`	the victim's grave was dug up a couple of days after burial
23:07	nubbins`	and this kenny green guy was accused of trying to break out of the psych hospital while being held there for some sort of examination
23:07	dub	some next level retardation in #dogecoin
23:07	mircea_popescu	maybne they only had tequilla and it's not agreeing with him
23:07	nubbins`	some blue colors in the sky
23:07	nubbins`	heh
23:08	mircea_popescu	dub summary ?
23:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00098635 = 15.4857 BTC [-] {2}
23:11	dub	theres no words really
23:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [+]
23:12	nubbins`	to the aooooooooooooooon
23:12	mircea_popescu	"i had sex with urmom and she was saying all along, doge! upupup!" ?
23:13	knotwork	There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was
23:13	mircea_popescu	you don't mean in like early 2012 ?!
23:14	knotwork	maybe yeah
23:14	knotwork	he mismanaged the shares thing and mybe also got screwed when that Irish guy's "exchange" flew by night
23:15	mircea_popescu	you mean like... dmc ?
23:15	knotwork	I think his nick was longer than that? not death and taxes but thats who I always tended to confuse him with
23:15	mircea_popescu	i don't know dt ever did mismanage anything.
23:15	knotwork	yeah exactly
23:16	mircea_popescu	it'd be Diablo-D3, teh glbse asset was dmc
23:16	knotwork	but I think death and taxes nick was what kept the other guys nick from sticking in my long term memory
23:16	knotwork	Diablo yes that it no idea what I'd confuse that with death, maybe its a death and the devil thing
23:16	nubbins`	;;seen Diablo-D3
23:16	gribble	Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <Diablo-D3> and all their btrfs people left to other companies
23:17	nubbins`	datacentre with solar
23:17	knotwork	oh good maybe he wont read the backscroll and will turn out to be a great fool :D
23:17	knotwork	greater
23:18	knotwork	I thought maybe I'd found just what he was looking for but at a cheaper price
23:18	knotwork	and in proobably decent place for wind power
23:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68596666 = 2.0579 BTC [+] {3}
23:18	knotwork	maybe even water though it doesnt mention any brooks etc in the stuff I have read about the place
23:18	knotwork	but it is said to be in mountain area
23:19	mircea_popescu	im pretty sure you need a permit to dam running water, even in canada.
23:20	mircea_popescu	possibly not for wind, but i'd check if i were you.
23:21	knotwork	I wasnt thinking of a dam but even just a little thing you sink into the water might be all kinds of regulation apparently yeah
23:21	Diablo-D3	who'd what be me?
23:21	Diablo-D3	someone rang?
23:21	Diablo-D3	knotwork:
23:21	knotwork	some guy on bitcointalk has pics of a tiny little trickly he gets power from
23:22	mircea_popescu	what, you building the first ever megawatt yoyo ?
23:22	nubbins`	re: permits, generally that would be a provincial responsibility, not federal
23:22	knotwork	Yeah Diablo I saw a piece of real estate I thought might be great for the kind of data centre you once wanted to do
23:22	Diablo-D3	[11:13:26] <knotwork> There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was
23:22	Diablo-D3	that'd be me
23:22	Diablo-D3	I'm funding this shit myself now
23:22	Diablo-D3	I gave up on bitcoin funding
23:22	Diablo-D3	its a fucking peanut gallery in there
23:22	Diablo-D3	a bunch of fuckwits that know nothing about running a company
23:22	Diablo-D3	so I shut down DMC and just went my own way
23:23	knotwork	still want to do a datacentre though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Satellite_Ground_Terminal_Folly_Lake 500k CAD or less
23:23	Duffer1	heh i was just gonna say..
23:23	Duffer1	millspec base in bumfuck canada perfect for a data center
23:24	Duffer1	or supervillain lair
23:24	mircea_popescu	or bdsm chateau
23:24	mircea_popescu	or really cool icecream factory
23:24	Diablo-D3	Duffer1: I wanna stay in the US
23:24	Duffer1	too cold for bdsm probably
23:24	mircea_popescu	you must be new
23:24	Diablo-D3	Duffer1: we have a few abandoned military bases in northern US including maine btw
23:24	knotwork	Not with all the heat the mining gear gives off
23:24	Diablo-D3	sometimes they come up for auction
23:25	mircea_popescu	the girls are warm, the canes are there to beat...
23:25	knotwork	(not too cold for whatever)
23:25	knotwork	maybe cold enough to cool the gear in winter. maybe.
23:26	knotwork	I have fans sucking in outside area in my room here in snowstorm and its still plenty warm in here
23:26	knotwork	outside air
23:26	Diablo-D3	knotwork: I ended up starting a dedicated server hosting company for a quarter of a million
23:26	Diablo-D3	if I grow it right, I'll be able to afford the datacenter I want
23:26	nubbins`	wow, wentworth really is bumfuck canada
23:26	knotwork	what kind of facility and do you rent/lease or own the land?
23:26	Diablo-D3	leasing racks.
23:27	knotwork	yikes so third party hosting
23:27	knotwork	for me a MAJOR part of wanting my own datacentre is I dont want to refer to keys that are on third party land as "private" keys as for all I know they are not.
23:28	knotwork	They are the third party's keys that they maybe let me use but aren't really mine any way not privately anyway
23:28	Diablo-D3	knotwork: its second party.
23:28	Diablo-D3	Im getting the racks directly from someone leasing directly from the building owner.
23:29	Diablo-D3	not a reseller further down the line
23:29	knotwork	and this someone is part of th corporate "you" ?
23:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00098973 = 17.1223 BTC [+]
23:29	Diablo-D3	no
23:29	Diablo-D3	but what Im saying is
23:29	Diablo-D3	the farther you go down the chain, the more you get fucked with
23:29	knotwork	right
23:30	mircea_popescu	you know sooner or later you will have to take employees.
23:30	Diablo-D3	if the NSA is going to spy on me or my customers
23:30	Diablo-D3	they're already doing it.
23:30	knotwork	one problem really with the military base idea is it would need a guard or groundskeeper etc
23:30	Diablo-D3	knotwork: well no
23:30	knotwork	though I could lock them out of the actual datacentre part maybe
23:30	Diablo-D3	it'd require no more physical security than an actual datacenter.
23:31	Diablo-D3	if you're not aware of how datacenter security works, go research that
23:31	knotwork	I coudl maybe put the keys in a machine in a vault or something
23:31	Diablo-D3	you're worried about private keys?
23:31	Diablo-D3	you cant secure them.
23:31	Diablo-D3	period.
23:31	Diablo-D3	unless the machine is on you at all times and already secure, there is no such thing as a secure private key
23:31	Diablo-D3	the only machine that can be on you at all times is a cell phone. cell phones are not secure.
23:32	KRS1	at all
23:33	knotwork	Maybe right in a city next to a police station could be more secure than out in the middle of no-where with gosh knows how long an RCMP response-time
23:36	knotwork	See this place is a great resource for discovering whether one is oneself a great(er) fool.
23:37	KRS1	Just buy a ship. Done. imo choose the caterpillar diesel engines option..well worth it.
23:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 39 @ 0.0032 = 0.1248 BTC [+]
23:38	Duffer1	google ship?
23:38	KRS1	Secure, self sustaining..
23:38	Namworld	You could tattoo the private key on the underneath of your eyelid. Pull and read in a mirror.
23:38	Namworld	Sign with it from offline computer, clean machine after each use
23:39	knotwork	i get seasick
23:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999997 = 0.15 BTC [+]
23:40	Namworld	Now people need to drug you/knowck you out to get the private key.
23:41	KRS1	find a way to live in orbit
23:41	kakobrekla	orbit is not safe
23:41	KRS1	make sure to have a greenhouse and recycle your water
23:42	KRS1	kakobrekla, if its made out of unobtainium its is..jeez.
23:42	Namworld	With giant laser cannon directed at the "ants" (people) on earth? So you can direct them around or randomly blast them?
23:42	KRS1	Namworld you could have tons of fun with that..it would never get old.
23:42	kakobrekla	not if a rock made of unobtainium hits you
23:42	knotwork	Well first I will just get my 400 amps into my country-house I might feel a lot less stir-crazy cabin-fever starved for outlets to plug machines into then
23:42	KRS1	ah shit i didnt think of that =/
23:43	Namworld	If that happen I can rebuild it mad an indestructible unobtainium shielding.
23:43	mod6	s.moon: mp's forth-coming lunar cold storage warehouse
23:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00684269 = 0.2463 BTC [-]
23:43	KRS1	haha
23:44	kakobrekla	as long as it has lazerz
23:44	KRS1	;;lasers
23:44	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
23:44	kakobrekla	take that USD!
23:44	mod6	to the moon!
23:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.67000002 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2}
23:47	chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-20/security-expert-hacks-obamacare-website-4-minutes-accesses-70000-records
23:47	ozbot	Security Expert Hacks Obamacare Website In 4 Minutes; Accesses 70,000 Records | Zero Hedge
23:48	KRS1	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
23:48	KRS1	i'm sorry i gotta step away for this
23:50	knotwork	Well maybe a movie. Involving an evil lair
23:52	knotwork	Or figure out the cost of just the land, subtract the cost of removing the buildings etc etc and make crazy lowball offer to see how eager the seller is to sell
23:53	knotwork	offer to take it off his hands for a nominal dollar to save him the cost of demolition
23:53	the20year1	what i'd do is just start off with a lowball figure, bring it up $10k or so every few weeks
23:54	knotwork	maybe it will afterall still be available in november when bitcoin is $10,000 (i guess I was wrong about how long people think that might take to reach) and it will be cheaper then too as their desperation increases
23:54	the20year1	i'd be estatic if it reached 1-
23:54	the20year1	10k then :D
23:55	knotwork	I think even when it reaches only $2000 or $2500 or so I would start wanting to hive off 500k CAD or so worth into something other than cryptocoins
23:55	knotwork	even though anything other than cryptocoins would likely appreciate much slower
23:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009021 = 0.1804 BTC [-] {4}
23:56	knotwork	but land can be appreciated in other ways than by looking how much money it is worth
23:56	the20year1	you could buy some rentalstarter :D
23:56	kakobrekla	hedge bitcoin, buy bunker
23:56	knotwork	one can walk it, live on it build lairs on it etc
23:56	kakobrekla	makes sense.
23:56	knotwork	if I could use 500 or 600 bitcoins as collateral for a mortgage/loan I might go for it all by mtself
23:57	knotwork	but that is a non-starter
23:57	Duffer1	500btc ?
23:57	the20year1	i don't see why not
23:57	knotwork	because anyone who believes bitcoin is good as collateral isnt going to want to issue a fiat denominated loan
23:58	knotwork	and I wouldnt want a bitcoin-denominated one that would be crazy
23:58	the20year1	why not a fiat denominated one?
23:58	the20year1	BTC>USD , get a cashout refi , then put that back into bitcoin
23:58	knotwork	who would issue a 500k CAD loan based on bitcoin collateral?
23:58	the20year1	*if* loans are a problem
23:58	the20year1	i'm sure someone would

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