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00:57 trinque_ lol, moar freeload shenanigans?
00:59 asciilifeform wb trinque
00:59 trinque asciilifeform: you're standing up your own net?
00:59 trinque if so I'll glady contrib a box
00:59 trinque *gladly
00:59 asciilifeform trinque: already did. it's extremely spartan atm, no nickserv or anyffing of the kind
01:00 asciilifeform for nao 1 chan there, clone of #a. will let folx in as soon as i get the bot standing there.
01:01 trinque cool, will join when you're ready, no rush
01:10 verisimilitude The only other channel I used here, #ada, moved to Libera, and I begrudgingly followed.
01:19 asciilifeform grr elbowed it
~ 46 minutes ~
02:06 asciilifeform ok, here goes.
02:06 asciilifeform
02:07 asciilifeform use any nick, currently there is no control (behave, folx) . pw is currently same for all users, and is equal to the baud rate of FG.
02:07 asciilifeform there is only 1 chan, #asciilifeform .
02:08 asciilifeform all text uttered there will appear in my logger under #asciilifeform , same as if uttered here.
02:08 * asciilifeform hello world!
02:10 asciilifeform i'ma leave this going for nao, ought to suffice for keeping the flame going. will sit in also in fleanode, of course, until the latter is entirely dead.
02:11 asciilifeform ^ ACHTUNG trinque, verisimilitude, shinohai, BingoBoingo, thimbronion, billymg, et al ^
02:11 asciilifeform my bot required some patching to work w/ this irctron; will post details later this wk.
02:12 * asciilifeform bbl.
~ 15 minutes ~
02:27 verisimilitude I keep getting errors.
02:30 verisimilitude The only sad thing about this is Freenode didn't beget many small IRC servers, but Libera.
02:40 whaack testing snsabot
02:47 asciilifeform for FUCKS sake, verisimilitude . are you a 90yo who had problem connecting to aol?! or who the fuck says 'i keep getting errors' as if this communicated ANY useful info to anyone
02:48 asciilifeform whaack apparently connected. (where didja go, whaack ?)
02:48 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-15 22:40:12 whaack: testing snsabot
02:49 asciilifeform !q uptime
02:49 snsabot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 42m
02:58 asciilifeform !q uptime
02:58 snsabot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 1h 38m
02:58 asciilifeform possibly oughta have renamed the bot, will be a little confusing to log readers. but always time for this later.
03:02 asciilifeform on 2nd thought, wainot nao.
03:03 asciilifeform !q uptime
03:03 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 0m
03:03 asciilifeform !q uptime
03:03 snsabot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 1h 44m
03:03 asciilifeform there.
03:05 asciilifeform for any folx using my db snapshots : all lines logged by dulapbot are marked with era 4.
03:06 asciilifeform (possibly i'ma colourize them in the viewer to distinguish, later.)
03:20 verisimilitude I'm getting some error relating to the password; it could be an oddity of erc. It communicates a small amount of mostly useless information. Anyway, I'm not worried, so I'll figure it out later.
~ 18 minutes ~
03:38 whaack asciilifeform: Connected on laptop w/o a bouncer atm
03:40 whaack i'll reconfigure my bouncer tomorrow. although i may disappear from the keyboard for a week or 2 tho to give my hands a rest
03:46 asciilifeform whaack: a++.
~ 2 hours 24 minutes ~
06:10 verisimilitude I see I wasn't paying attention is all.
~ 6 hours 58 minutes ~
13:09 PeterL oh, hey, I see I got it to work (connected to new server)
~ 50 minutes ~
13:59 asciilifeform welcome, PeterL !
14:00 asciilifeform and wb verisimilitude
14:01 asciilifeform see, wasn't hard.
14:02 asciilifeform !w poll
14:02 watchglass Polling 16 nodes...
14:02 watchglass : Could not connect!
14:02 watchglass : Could not connect!
14:02 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.033s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:02 watchglass : Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:02 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:02 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:02 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 (Operator: asciilifeform)
14:02 watchglass : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=687812 (Operator: whaack)
14:02 watchglass : Alive: (0.205s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:02 watchglass : Alive: (0.162s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:03 watchglass : Alive: (0.238s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:03 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.264s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:03 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.301s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:03 watchglass : Alive: (0.389s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:03 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.580s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412055 (Operator: jurov)
14:03 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.663s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812
14:07 PeterL are you planning to add any authentication here?
14:07 asciilifeform PeterL: eventually
14:08 asciilifeform PeterL: if you think about it -- the current joke authentication is not even all that much different from the assurance level we had from fleanode
14:08 asciilifeform (there was nuffin to stop a fleanode admin from impersonating a user, channel, etc. if he felt like it)
14:09 PeterL so what about a deedbot style cryptographic challenge?
14:10 asciilifeform PeterL: that's my current notion. but will need some gluing to make it work correctly.
14:11 asciilifeform the irctron i used is a quite massive pile of overflowandcrashlang. (like all extant ones afaik)
14:12 asciilifeform PeterL: notion is, when we have 5-6 relays, will have already better stability than fleanode ever had at any point while i used it ('13--present)
14:13 asciilifeform 1 remaining puzzler in my mind re deedbot-style auth for these relays, is how to make for compatibility w/ znc & similar.
14:14 PeterL what makes znc puzzler?
14:14 asciilifeform (and for that matter most commonplace irc clients presume a stored pw, rather than somebody getting a challenge, going to get his launch codes, decoding...)
14:15 asciilifeform PeterL: see above
14:16 PeterL Maybe require authentication through pm prior to joining a channel?
14:18 asciilifeform promises to be painful for guests (1 of the things i actually liked about fleanode was the possibility of unknown folx occasionally coming in. can always throw'em out later)
14:21 PeterL True. I suppose you can wait to see if anybody tries to abuse system before putting up defenses.
14:21 asciilifeform PeterL: aha. consider that i am not making a replacement for public fleanode.
14:22 PeterL Good practice at this point is to put things that need authetication into pgp-grams anyway
14:22 asciilifeform PeterL: just as before, neh
14:22 PeterL aha
14:23 asciilifeform the authenticity and privacy 'promises' of whatever irc net are an illusion, and what better way to remind people of it than by replacing all auth with a toy lock w/ plastic key.
14:23 asciilifeform the only problem with such scheme in the longer term is that some fuckwad will eventually show up and start to shit here.
14:25 asciilifeform trinque's deedbot already can solve this problem, incidentally. i'd like to get this micro-fleanode to the point where he's willing to plant deedbot there.
14:26 PeterL are you going to come up with a cool name for this network?
14:27 asciilifeform notyet, atm simply stolid 'dulapnet'. lessee who even bothers to use it, while regular sad old fleanode still (sorta) worx
14:29 PeterL what's the origin of the name Dulap, out of curiosity?
14:30 asciilifeform PeterL: mp's story w/ the cock-chopper machine. but actually simply ro for wardrobe.
14:31 asciilifeform (err, smaller than wardrobe, more like bedside stand. not sure what the correct engl. equiv. is)
14:32 asciilifeform i originally named the 1st large machine we obtained for phuctor 'dulap', after this, and subsequent 'dulap II', III, IV (the item we're speaking into atm, and also hosting the logs)
14:32 asciilifeform ( and hosts various other things )
14:33 PeterL so the machine is a closet for keeping various, or you keep the machine in your closet? or just a name?
14:34 asciilifeform PeterL: the machine is at my dc.
14:35 asciilifeform PeterL: if you search the logs, can probably find the orig. story from whence the name. ( i can't be arsed to try & dig it out of mp's www , but expect that it's still there, somewhere )
14:36 asciilifeform PeterL: observe that dulap is also a catalogue entry, it refers to specific type of machine that i offer to customers, likewise.
14:36 asciilifeform there are currently two, not counting mine, subscribed.
14:43 asciilifeform upstack, re names, is not so important what to call it, as ideally will simply be a private net operated by folx in my l1, for their l2, and with no expectation that my node is somehow 'center of universe'. individual relay keepers can name theirs whatever they like.
14:44 asciilifeform a minus of irc is that peering requires a somewhat laborious process for each link; and my understanding is that also relies on sslism.
14:46 asciilifeform overall this is considerably more work than sitting on fleanode & similar, and with 0 immediate reward (other than, of course, no longer having to be chased like a hobo from 1 dying net to another..) hence why not popular option, and i've nfi whether folx will be willing to move.
14:48 asciilifeform currently asciilifeform's priority for this item is to get a peer ~outside of asciilifeform's dc~ -- given as irc is my primary means of contact w/ subscribers.
~ 1 hours 15 minutes ~
16:03 billymg i'm not too familiar with how IRC works but why would fleanode migrate servers and not bring the old data with them, e.g. the nick and chan registrations?
~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~
17:07 asciilifeform billymg: likely -- for this reason.
17:07 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-15 09:41:15 asciilifeform: shinohai: i suspect that the new fleanode is simply 1 box on lulazon, to replace the flaking 'volunteer' thing
17:08 asciilifeform billymg: the old net was run as a distributed thing with rather gnarly softs, operated by 3-4 people, who ragequit more or less simult.
17:08 asciilifeform billymg: it in fact wasn't a decentralized, in terms of actual control item.
17:08 snsabot Logged on 2020-07-29 12:34:18 asciilifeform: at one time considered to host a fleanode noad in his rack. but then learned that they expect, for 100% phree, an ~entire~ 1u, w/ exclusive root, running whatever shitware, and offer absolutely nuffin in exchange
17:10 asciilifeform billymg: per the various recent forum wanks re subj, the final act of various 'emigrating' channel ops was to switch chan to silent and put up 'we hate! go to libera' banners. and when new op took down, old would come back and put up again.
17:11 asciilifeform billymg: eventually mr moneybag got tired of this (per fleanode www) and had all the old infrastructure dynamited.
17:20 asciilifeform billymg (and other readers not present last night) -- observe that e.g today's log contains a number of ln not visible in your fleanode session. these originate from asciilifeform's ersatz-net.
17:20 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-15 22:06:55 asciilifeform:
17:22 asciilifeform erryone currently tuned in is invited to connect (i rec. to do so in ~addition~ to, rather than in place of, your current fleanode session.. whole thing still rather 'duct tape' in nature)
17:22 billymg asciilifeform: ty for the explanation, will hop over to your net soon
17:23 asciilifeform there's an sslism btw at port 6697, but only because the package i used offered no way to disable, lol. i do not intend to support its use in the future (but if you have irc client which insists on sslistic connection, e.g. crapple's, can use.)
17:23 * shinohai has to remember how to auto send pass on weechat first
17:33 asciilifeform welcome to dulapnet, shinohai !
17:34 shinohai Oh hai asciilifeform ... been a long time since I set autopass on this thing xD
17:35 asciilifeform this makes 4 of us.
17:35 shinohai Gonna require a bit of thought how to make bot connect here, but I suppose no rush for now.
17:37 shinohai brb fixing weechat opts
17:40 asciilifeform hello Aerthean
17:40 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere Aerthean
17:40 dulapbot Aerthean last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-04-06 20:42:29: Then proceed to the "I'm sorry for your loss" playbook when it doesn't work out
17:40 Aerthean Hi ascii, I've been following the logs, and mostly here to confirm that I can connect to your server.
17:40 asciilifeform Aerthean: welcome. please keep in mind that the only bridge b/w dulapnet and fleanode is my log www; messages spoken here will appear in the latter but not in fleanode.
17:41 asciilifeform i expect we'll have additional peers in this net in near future but probably not this wk.
17:46 asciilifeform << i had to commit this kludge warcrime to get the bot to talk to 'unreal irc'.
17:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-16 13:35:56 shinohai: Gonna require a bit of thought how to make bot connect here, but I suppose no rush for now.
17:47 Aerthean Okay. I seldomly used IRC in the past, so the death and migration from Fleanode causes me no trouble.
17:47 asciilifeform shinohai: the ~proper~ way to do it would be to wait for a '103' message from server when connecting, before emitting a JOIN. but was in a hurry.
17:47 shinohai asciilifeform was right about libera being sjw's I'm already klined for posting pr0n
17:47 asciilifeform lol! that was fast!
17:48 shinohai "muh Swedish lawz"
17:48 asciilifeform aaaand betcha you thought, shinohai , that i was exaggerating
17:48 asciilifeform fleanode demolition was a planned, funded project.
17:48 shinohai Oh no! I believed you, just made rash decision on the road to move there, because I have shitcoiners to fleece.
17:49 asciilifeform where to fleece, is b/w you & beelzebub, lol
17:50 shinohai Most of 'em on that abomination "Telegram" but still have few that find me via irc
17:54 verisimilitude The #asciilifeform is the only reason I tolerated Freenode. Separate networks are nicest.
17:55 asciilifeform verisimilitude: didntcha say you tuned into #ada & similar ?
17:56 asciilifeform these heathen pits were perhaps 1 of the few attractions of a mass public net like fleanode. in olden times, could even get answers to difficult puzzlers in such chans.
17:56 verisimilitude Yes, but only because I was already in #asciilifeform.
17:56 asciilifeform (but in recent yrs asciilifeform did not even bother, result was rathe predictable)
17:56 asciilifeform *rather
17:56 asciilifeform verisimilitude: a ok
17:58 verisimilitude Unfortunately, #ada has me using Libera now. I've made certain to point out how this is a ``We did it, Reddit!'' situation.
17:59 asciilifeform verisimilitude: do they have a www log ?
17:59 verisimilitude No.
17:59 asciilifeform savages.
18:00 asciilifeform picture, same noob q getting asked 9000+times
18:01 verisimilitude That implies there are enough people learning Ada to cause that problem.
18:05 asciilifeform verisimilitude: i confess, very quickly came to the conclusion that the ada asciilifeform programs in is effectively a diff. lang. from the one discussed in forums.
~ 16 minutes ~
18:22 verisimilitude It's just a subset, right?
18:22 asciilifeform welcome to dulapnet, dpb !
18:22 dpb oh is that what i should name it?
18:23 asciilifeform dpb: simply draft name used in asciilifeform's configs, lol
18:23 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-16 10:43:09 asciilifeform: upstack, re names, is not so important what to call it, as ideally will simply be a private net operated by folx in my l1, for their l2, and with no expectation that my node is somehow 'center of universe'. individual relay keepers can name theirs whatever they like.
18:24 asciilifeform verisimilitude: strictly speaking -- subset. in practice leads to very different points of friction and rather differently-shaped proggies than seen in books, shithub, etc
~ 45 minutes ~
19:09 verisimilitude Ada is designed to be used like that.
~ 21 minutes ~
19:30 asciilifeform meanwhile, in wankature.
19:38 shinohai top kek. ^
19:40 PeterL verisimilitude: could you expand on what you mean by "used like that"?
19:43 * shinohai reading above wankage would like to remind asciilifeform that if he publishes sigs for keccak trb vtree, will gladly add to his mirror
19:56 magnus hello asciilifeform
19:57 magnus longtime log-eater and reader here; did not want to lose access when fleanode goes dark...
20:06 shinohai welcome magnus
20:07 magnus thx shinohai
20:08 PeterL << Why do you consider this a kludge warcrime?
20:08 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-16 13:46:57 asciilifeform: << i had to commit this kludge warcrime to get the bot to talk to 'unreal irc'.
20:13 dpb magnus, check out and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
20:14 magnus lol, thx dpb :)
20:14 dpb yw, may God save you
20:14 magnus (makes the sign of the cross)
20:28 verisimilitude Oh, that was dpb, then.
20:29 verisimilitude Ada is meant to be constrained and used as subsets, PeterL.
~ 41 minutes ~
21:10 asciilifeform welcome magnus . ( dpb is this 1 of your folx? )
21:11 magnus ty asciilifeform, not 1 of dpb's folx
21:11 asciilifeform a ok. magnus how and when didja come to read the logs? what subjs interest you?
21:12 magnus been reading trilema logs for several years, till imploded...
21:12 asciilifeform a.
21:12 magnus was interested in uclibc linux distros in mid 90s and worked at building some...
21:13 asciilifeform << elementarily, it's a textbook example of kludge because it uses 'received 3 messages' as the signal for when to send JOIN. rather than properly listening for ack of login. (exactly like how my hardcoded delay for logging into fleanode was kludge.)
21:13 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-16 16:08:16 PeterL: << Why do you consider this a kludge warcrime?
21:13 magnus interests mostly revolve around langs, micro-distros, new approaches to comp arch...
21:13 asciilifeform magnus: neato. have you tried trinque's linux ?
21:14 magnus I have not yet but def on list of items to do...
21:15 magnus was his the musl-based gentoo variant?>
21:15 asciilifeform magnus: he had 2 items; 1 was a gentoo variant, the more recent -- an ab initio piece
21:15 asciilifeform both musl-based
21:15 magnus cool
21:15 magnus will examine
21:16 asciilifeform << i'm still hoping to see jurov return. then will post in the designated place.
21:16 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-16 15:43:56 shinohai: reading above wankage would like to remind asciilifeform that if he publishes sigs for keccak trb vtree, will gladly add to his mirror
~ 1 hours 31 minutes ~
22:48 * asciilifeform was thinking in re: 'dulapnet' -- imho would be fair play if he who wishes to have a chan, contributes a machine for relay.
22:51 asciilifeform ... for this purpose, sadly, machines in asciilifeform's rack cannot be counted (as already there is 1 such)
23:02 * asciilifeform reads ircd log, waves to phf. (hey phf et al -- current pw is simply FG baud rate.)
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