00:57 |
trinque_ |
lol, moar freeload shenanigans? |
00:59 |
asciilifeform |
wb trinque |
00:59 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: you're standing up your own net? |
00:59 |
trinque |
if so I'll glady contrib a box |
00:59 |
trinque |
*gladly |
00:59 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: already did. it's extremely spartan atm, no nickserv or anyffing of the kind |
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01:00 |
asciilifeform |
for nao 1 chan there, clone of #a. will let folx in as soon as i get the bot standing there. |
01:01 |
trinque |
cool, will join when you're ready, no rush |
01:10 |
verisimilitude |
The only other channel I used here, #ada, moved to Libera, and I begrudgingly followed. |
01:19 |
asciilifeform |
grr elbowed it |
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~ 46 minutes ~ |
02:06 |
asciilifeform |
ok, here goes. |
02:06 |
asciilifeform |
205.134.172.3:6667 |
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02:07 |
asciilifeform |
use any nick, currently there is no control (behave, folx) . pw is currently same for all users, and is equal to the baud rate of FG. |
02:07 |
asciilifeform |
there is only 1 chan, #asciilifeform . |
02:08 |
asciilifeform |
all text uttered there will appear in my logger under #asciilifeform , same as if uttered here. |
02:08 |
* |
asciilifeform hello world! |
02:10 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma leave this going for nao, ought to suffice for keeping the flame going. will sit in also in fleanode, of course, until the latter is entirely dead. |
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02:11 |
asciilifeform |
^ ACHTUNG trinque, verisimilitude, shinohai, BingoBoingo, thimbronion, billymg, et al ^ |
02:11 |
asciilifeform |
my bot required some patching to work w/ this irctron; will post details later this wk. |
02:12 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl. |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
02:27 |
verisimilitude |
I keep getting errors. |
02:30 |
verisimilitude |
The only sad thing about this is Freenode didn't beget many small IRC servers, but Libera. |
02:40 |
whaack |
testing snsabot |
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02:47 |
asciilifeform |
for FUCKS sake, verisimilitude . are you a 90yo who had problem connecting to aol?! or who the fuck says 'i keep getting errors' as if this communicated ANY useful info to anyone |
02:48 |
asciilifeform |
whaack apparently connected. (where didja go, whaack ?) |
02:48 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-06-15 22:40:12 whaack: testing snsabot |
02:49 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
02:49 |
snsabot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 42m |
02:58 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
02:58 |
snsabot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 1h 38m |
02:58 |
asciilifeform |
possibly oughta have renamed the bot, will be a little confusing to log readers. but always time for this later. |
03:02 |
asciilifeform |
on 2nd thought, wainot nao. |
03:03 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
03:03 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 0m |
03:03 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
03:03 |
snsabot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 1h 44m |
03:03 |
asciilifeform |
there. |
03:05 |
asciilifeform |
for any folx using my db snapshots : all lines logged by dulapbot are marked with era 4. |
03:06 |
asciilifeform |
(possibly i'ma colourize them in the viewer to distinguish, later.) |
03:20 |
verisimilitude |
I'm getting some error relating to the password; it could be an oddity of erc. It communicates a small amount of mostly useless information. Anyway, I'm not worried, so I'll figure it out later. |
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03:38 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: Connected on laptop w/o a bouncer atm |
03:40 |
whaack |
i'll reconfigure my bouncer tomorrow. although i may disappear from the keyboard for a week or 2 tho to give my hands a rest |
03:46 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: a++. |
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~ 2 hours 24 minutes ~ |
06:10 |
verisimilitude |
I see I wasn't paying attention is all. |
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~ 6 hours 58 minutes ~ |
13:09 |
PeterL |
oh, hey, I see I got it to work (connected to new server) |
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~ 50 minutes ~ |
13:59 |
asciilifeform |
welcome, PeterL ! |
14:00 |
asciilifeform |
and wb verisimilitude |
14:01 |
asciilifeform |
see, wasn't hard. |
14:02 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
14:02 |
watchglass |
Polling 16 nodes... |
14:02 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
14:02 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
14:02 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.033s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:02 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:02 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:02 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:02 |
watchglass |
108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
14:02 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=687812 (Operator: whaack) |
14:02 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.205s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:02 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.162s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:03 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.238s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:03 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.264s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:03 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : (tlapnet-38-54.cust.tlapnet.cz) Alive: (0.301s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:03 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.389s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:03 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.580s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412055 (Operator: jurov) |
14:03 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.663s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=687812 |
14:07 |
PeterL |
are you planning to add any authentication here? |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: eventually |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: if you think about it -- the current joke authentication is not even all that much different from the assurance level we had from fleanode |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
(there was nuffin to stop a fleanode admin from impersonating a user, channel, etc. if he felt like it) |
14:09 |
PeterL |
so what about a deedbot style cryptographic challenge? |
14:10 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: that's my current notion. but will need some gluing to make it work correctly. |
14:11 |
asciilifeform |
the irctron i used is a quite massive pile of overflowandcrashlang. (like all extant ones afaik) |
14:12 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: notion is, when we have 5-6 relays, will have already better stability than fleanode ever had at any point while i used it ('13--present) |
14:13 |
asciilifeform |
1 remaining puzzler in my mind re deedbot-style auth for these relays, is how to make for compatibility w/ znc & similar. |
14:14 |
PeterL |
what makes znc puzzler? |
14:14 |
asciilifeform |
(and for that matter most commonplace irc clients presume a stored pw, rather than somebody getting a challenge, going to get his launch codes, decoding...) |
14:15 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: see above |
14:16 |
PeterL |
Maybe require authentication through pm prior to joining a channel? |
14:18 |
asciilifeform |
promises to be painful for guests (1 of the things i actually liked about fleanode was the possibility of unknown folx occasionally coming in. can always throw'em out later) |
14:21 |
PeterL |
True. I suppose you can wait to see if anybody tries to abuse system before putting up defenses. |
14:21 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: aha. consider that i am not making a replacement for public fleanode. |
14:22 |
PeterL |
Good practice at this point is to put things that need authetication into pgp-grams anyway |
14:22 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: just as before, neh |
14:22 |
PeterL |
aha |
14:23 |
asciilifeform |
the authenticity and privacy 'promises' of whatever irc net are an illusion, and what better way to remind people of it than by replacing all auth with a toy lock w/ plastic key. |
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14:23 |
asciilifeform |
the only problem with such scheme in the longer term is that some fuckwad will eventually show up and start to shit here. |
14:25 |
asciilifeform |
trinque's deedbot already can solve this problem, incidentally. i'd like to get this micro-fleanode to the point where he's willing to plant deedbot there. |
14:26 |
PeterL |
are you going to come up with a cool name for this network? |
14:27 |
asciilifeform |
notyet, atm simply stolid 'dulapnet'. lessee who even bothers to use it, while regular sad old fleanode still (sorta) worx |
14:29 |
PeterL |
what's the origin of the name Dulap, out of curiosity? |
14:30 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: mp's story w/ the cock-chopper machine. but actually simply ro for wardrobe. |
14:31 |
asciilifeform |
(err, smaller than wardrobe, more like bedside stand. not sure what the correct engl. equiv. is) |
14:32 |
asciilifeform |
i originally named the 1st large machine we obtained for phuctor 'dulap', after this, and subsequent 'dulap II', III, IV (the item we're speaking into atm, and also hosting the logs) |
14:32 |
asciilifeform |
( and hosts various other things ) |
14:33 |
PeterL |
so the machine is a closet for keeping various, or you keep the machine in your closet? or just a name? |
14:34 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: the machine is at my dc. |
14:35 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: if you search the logs, can probably find the orig. story from whence the name. ( i can't be arsed to try & dig it out of mp's www , but expect that it's still there, somewhere ) |
14:36 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: observe that dulap is also a catalogue entry, it refers to specific type of machine that i offer to customers, likewise. |
14:36 |
asciilifeform |
there are currently two, not counting mine, subscribed. |
14:43 |
asciilifeform |
upstack, re names, is not so important what to call it, as ideally will simply be a private net operated by folx in my l1, for their l2, and with no expectation that my node is somehow 'center of universe'. individual relay keepers can name theirs whatever they like. |
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14:44 |
asciilifeform |
a minus of irc is that peering requires a somewhat laborious process for each link; and my understanding is that also relies on sslism. |
14:46 |
asciilifeform |
overall this is considerably more work than sitting on fleanode & similar, and with 0 immediate reward (other than, of course, no longer having to be chased like a hobo from 1 dying net to another..) hence why not popular option, and i've nfi whether folx will be willing to move. |
14:48 |
asciilifeform |
currently asciilifeform's priority for this item is to get a peer ~outside of asciilifeform's dc~ -- given as irc is my primary means of contact w/ subscribers. |
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16:03 |
billymg |
i'm not too familiar with how IRC works but why would fleanode migrate servers and not bring the old data with them, e.g. the nick and chan registrations? |
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~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~ |
17:07 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: likely -- for this reason. |
17:07 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-06-15 09:41:15 asciilifeform: shinohai: i suspect that the new fleanode is simply 1 box on lulazon, to replace the flaking 'volunteer' thing |
17:08 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: the old net was run as a distributed thing with rather gnarly softs, operated by 3-4 people, who ragequit more or less simult. |
17:08 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: it in fact wasn't a decentralized, in terms of actual control item. |
17:08 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-07-29 12:34:18 asciilifeform: at one time considered to host a fleanode noad in his rack. but then learned that they expect, for 100% phree, an ~entire~ 1u, w/ exclusive root, running whatever shitware, and offer absolutely nuffin in exchange |
17:10 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: per the various recent forum wanks re subj, the final act of various 'emigrating' channel ops was to switch chan to silent and put up 'we hate! go to libera' banners. and when new op took down, old would come back and put up again. |
17:11 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: eventually mr moneybag got tired of this (per fleanode www) and had all the old infrastructure dynamited. |
17:20 |
asciilifeform |
billymg (and other readers not present last night) -- observe that e.g today's log contains a number of ln not visible in your fleanode session. these originate from asciilifeform's ersatz-net. |
17:20 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-06-15 22:06:55 asciilifeform: 205.134.172.3:6667 |
17:22 |
asciilifeform |
erryone currently tuned in is invited to connect (i rec. to do so in ~addition~ to, rather than in place of, your current fleanode session.. whole thing still rather 'duct tape' in nature) |
17:22 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: ty for the explanation, will hop over to your net soon |
17:23 |
asciilifeform |
there's an sslism btw at port 6697, but only because the package i used offered no way to disable, lol. i do not intend to support its use in the future (but if you have irc client which insists on sslistic connection, e.g. crapple's, can use.) |
17:23 |
* |
shinohai has to remember how to auto send pass on weechat first |
17:33 |
asciilifeform |
welcome to dulapnet, shinohai ! |
17:34 |
shinohai |
Oh hai asciilifeform ... been a long time since I set autopass on this thing xD |
17:35 |
asciilifeform |
this makes 4 of us. |
17:35 |
shinohai |
Gonna require a bit of thought how to make bot connect here, but I suppose no rush for now. |
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17:37 |
shinohai |
brb fixing weechat opts |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
hello Aerthean |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen-anywhere Aerthean |
17:40 |
dulapbot |
Aerthean last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-04-06 20:42:29: Then proceed to the "I'm sorry for your loss" playbook when it doesn't work out |
17:40 |
Aerthean |
Hi ascii, I've been following the logs, and mostly here to confirm that I can connect to your server. |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
Aerthean: welcome. please keep in mind that the only bridge b/w dulapnet and fleanode is my log www; messages spoken here will appear in the latter but not in fleanode. |
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17:41 |
asciilifeform |
i expect we'll have additional peers in this net in near future but probably not this wk. |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-16#1039439 << i had to commit this kludge warcrime to get the bot to talk to 'unreal irc'. |
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17:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-16 13:35:56 shinohai: Gonna require a bit of thought how to make bot connect here, but I suppose no rush for now. |
17:47 |
Aerthean |
Okay. I seldomly used IRC in the past, so the death and migration from Fleanode causes me no trouble. |
17:47 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: the ~proper~ way to do it would be to wait for a '103' message from server when connecting, before emitting a JOIN. but was in a hurry. |
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17:47 |
shinohai |
asciilifeform was right about libera being sjw's I'm already klined for posting pr0n |
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17:47 |
asciilifeform |
lol! that was fast! |
17:48 |
shinohai |
"muh Swedish lawz" |
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17:48 |
asciilifeform |
aaaand betcha you thought, shinohai , that i was exaggerating |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
fleanode demolition was a planned, funded project. |
17:48 |
shinohai |
Oh no! I believed you, just made rash decision on the road to move there, because I have shitcoiners to fleece. |
17:49 |
asciilifeform |
where to fleece, is b/w you & beelzebub, lol |
17:50 |
shinohai |
Most of 'em on that abomination "Telegram" but still have few that find me via irc |
17:54 |
verisimilitude |
The #asciilifeform is the only reason I tolerated Freenode. Separate networks are nicest. |
17:55 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: didntcha say you tuned into #ada & similar ? |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
these heathen pits were perhaps 1 of the few attractions of a mass public net like fleanode. in olden times, could even get answers to difficult puzzlers in such chans. |
17:56 |
verisimilitude |
Yes, but only because I was already in #asciilifeform. |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
(but in recent yrs asciilifeform did not even bother, result was rathe predictable) |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
*rather |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: a ok |
17:58 |
verisimilitude |
Unfortunately, #ada has me using Libera now. I've made certain to point out how this is a ``We did it, Reddit!'' situation. |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: do they have a www log ? |
17:59 |
verisimilitude |
No. |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
savages. |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
picture, same noob q getting asked 9000+times |
18:01 |
verisimilitude |
That implies there are enough people learning Ada to cause that problem. |
18:05 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: i confess, very quickly came to the conclusion that the ada asciilifeform programs in is effectively a diff. lang. from the one discussed in forums. |
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18:22 |
verisimilitude |
It's just a subset, right? |
18:22 |
asciilifeform |
welcome to dulapnet, dpb ! |
18:22 |
dpb |
oh is that what i should name it? |
18:23 |
asciilifeform |
dpb: simply draft name used in asciilifeform's configs, lol |
18:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-16 10:43:09 asciilifeform: upstack, re names, is not so important what to call it, as ideally will simply be a private net operated by folx in my l1, for their l2, and with no expectation that my node is somehow 'center of universe'. individual relay keepers can name theirs whatever they like. |
18:24 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: strictly speaking -- subset. in practice leads to very different points of friction and rather differently-shaped proggies than seen in books, shithub, etc |
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19:09 |
verisimilitude |
Ada is designed to be used like that. |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
19:30 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in wankature. |
19:38 |
shinohai |
top kek. ^ |
19:40 |
PeterL |
verisimilitude: could you expand on what you mean by "used like that"? |
19:43 |
* |
shinohai reading above wankage would like to remind asciilifeform that if he publishes sigs for keccak trb vtree, will gladly add to his mirror |
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19:56 |
magnus |
hello asciilifeform |
19:57 |
magnus |
longtime log-eater and reader here; did not want to lose access when fleanode goes dark... |
20:06 |
shinohai |
welcome magnus |
20:07 |
magnus |
thx shinohai |
20:08 |
PeterL |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-16#1039447 << Why do you consider this a kludge warcrime? |
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20:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-16 13:46:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-16#1039439 << i had to commit this kludge warcrime to get the bot to talk to 'unreal irc'. |
20:13 |
dpb |
magnus, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world! |
20:14 |
magnus |
lol, thx dpb :) |
20:14 |
dpb |
yw, may God save you |
20:14 |
magnus |
(makes the sign of the cross) |
20:28 |
verisimilitude |
Oh, that was dpb, then. |
20:29 |
verisimilitude |
Ada is meant to be constrained and used as subsets, PeterL. |
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21:10 |
asciilifeform |
welcome magnus . ( dpb is this 1 of your folx? ) |
21:11 |
magnus |
ty asciilifeform, not 1 of dpb's folx |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
a ok. magnus how and when didja come to read the logs? what subjs interest you? |
21:12 |
magnus |
been reading trilema logs for several years, till imploded... |
21:12 |
asciilifeform |
a. |
21:12 |
magnus |
was interested in uclibc linux distros in mid 90s and worked at building some... |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-16#1039488 << elementarily, it's a textbook example of kludge because it uses 'received 3 messages' as the signal for when to send JOIN. rather than properly listening for ack of login. (exactly like how my hardcoded delay for logging into fleanode was kludge.) |
21:13 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-16 16:08:16 PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-16#1039447 << Why do you consider this a kludge warcrime? |
21:13 |
magnus |
interests mostly revolve around langs, micro-distros, new approaches to comp arch... |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: neato. have you tried trinque's linux ? |
21:14 |
magnus |
I have not yet but def on list of items to do... |
21:15 |
magnus |
was his the musl-based gentoo variant?> |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: he had 2 items; 1 was a gentoo variant, the more recent -- an ab initio piece |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
both musl-based |
21:15 |
magnus |
cool |
21:15 |
magnus |
will examine |
21:16 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-16#1039483 << i'm still hoping to see jurov return. then will post in the designated place. |
21:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-16 15:43:56 shinohai: reading above wankage would like to remind asciilifeform that if he publishes sigs for keccak trb vtree, will gladly add to his mirror |
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22:48 |
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asciilifeform was thinking in re: 'dulapnet' -- imho would be fair play if he who wishes to have a chan, contributes a machine for relay. |
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22:51 |
asciilifeform |
... for this purpose, sadly, machines in asciilifeform's rack cannot be counted (as already there is 1 such) |
23:02 |
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asciilifeform reads ircd log, waves to phf. (hey phf et al -- current pw is simply FG baud rate.) |