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00:08 verisimilitude Unfortunately, many artists use Twitter.
00:12 verisimilitude Twitter's resisting RSS is a great example of how capitalism fights against true efficiencies.
~ 17 minutes ~
00:29 billymg << i killed my download of this since it showed 1-2 days remaining, will wait for the torrent and then seed
00:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-28 16:42:52 asciilifeform: meanwhile, 100+ moochers leeched/leeching mp tarball. motherfuckers, wtf, put up own mirror.
00:33 billymg asciilifeform: i'm also getting close to making the crawler site live, at least a basic version so that others can take a look and provide feedback. at that point i think i'll need to upgrade from my rk to a bigger rig, especially since i also want to run whaack's block explorer on there
00:34 billymg asciilifeform: i'm wondering 1) could you clone the rk drive to a new machine if i lease another from you and 2) could i, at that time, cancel the remainder of the rk lease and have it credited to the new box?
~ 37 minutes ~
01:12 asciilifeform billymg: absolutely can clone; don't worry about the current one, you can pay the pro-rated difference when you choose & get the new one
01:13 asciilifeform billymg: to be concrete, i can plug your rk ssd into new box so you can move whatever you like from user data; but obv. if you get x86 box it'll have a virginal os (by default , dulap-gentoo) there
01:14 asciilifeform billymg: neato re: crawler.
01:19 billymg asciilifeform: cool, sounds good, will let you know when i'm ready to make the switch
01:23 asciilifeform billymg: try plz
01:24 asciilifeform ^ shinohai + errybody else who asked for this item
01:28 billymg asciilifeform: don't have permission to download
01:28 asciilifeform grr
01:28 asciilifeform 1s
01:30 asciilifeform try nao
01:31 billymg asciilifeform: works, ty
01:31 asciilifeform odd, i aint seeing a connection
01:32 asciilifeform billymg: 'works' as in what kB/s?
01:32 billymg ah, just as in, added the torrent file
01:32 asciilifeform a
01:35 * billymg bbl, dinner
~ 55 minutes ~
02:30 asciilifeform meanwhile, in wtf, people.
02:31 asciilifeform ^ this, apparently, d00d.
02:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-01-18 14:26:12 snsabot: (trilema) 2014-06-26 asciilifeform: ;;rate ninjashogun -1
02:33 asciilifeform holy mother of fuck. prolly not the last of these, either.
02:38 thimbronion lolz
02:42 shinohai <<< tyvm asciilifeform now 100% easier to seize and distribute.
02:42 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-28 21:23:39 asciilifeform: billymg: try plz
~ 1 hours 19 minutes ~
04:02 billymg asciilifeform: got it and i'm seeding now
04:03 signpost inb4 gabriel_laddel shows up with a peg leg and tales of his time in prison.
04:03 lobbes lol
04:03 billymg a few errors when extracting but it looks like it's all there
04:03 * lobbes is likewise seeding torrent, btw
04:06 billymg asciilifeform: or anyone else, do you know if there's a way to force the browser to recognize the files as html? most of them don't have the .html extension so chromium just displays the source rather than the rendered page?
04:07 signpost fart up a webserver in the directory. python has one in the std lib somewhere.
04:09 signpost python3 -m http.server 8000 --bind # this kind of thing
04:10 billymg signpost: ty!
04:11 signpost yw
04:11 * billymg went straight for index.html and opened that up before looking at anything else
04:12 signpost << never K, but the other amply.
04:12 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 18:47:46 asciilifeform: trinque iirc once did sumthing similar
04:13 signpost << thing about it is that I've never met the creature that stayed there and held down a job simultaneously.
04:13 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 18:47:58 asciilifeform: achived, iirc, satori.
04:17 puman hello old friends
04:29 puman started old MP post reading binge ~5 days ago, got error on today, fianlly saw the news now
04:30 puman asciilifeform, thank you for the tarball, much appreciated
~ 7 hours 11 minutes ~
11:41 gregorynyssa << is pervasive meta-reference (eg. discussing how to write a letter of condolence within a letter of condolence) an American-specific habit? I see it all the time, unfortunately.
11:41 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-28 22:30:33 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in wtf, people.
11:43 gregorynyssa do Russians talk like this too?
11:51 shinohai Wow that is an odd sort of memento mori, and I have seen everything from great prose to outright cringe this week.
~ 2 hours 15 minutes ~
14:07 asciilifeform gregorynyssa: nobody but maniacs 'talks like this', lol
14:09 asciilifeform << he evidently had a bunch of symlinks, driving wget mad; some files got duped, ended up with .1 .2 etc extensions. i expect all the crawlable links got crawled, tho.
14:09 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-29 00:03:51 billymg: a few errors when extracting but it looks like it's all there
14:13 asciilifeform << punkman ?
14:13 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-29 00:17:23 puman: hello old friends
14:13 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere punkman
14:13 snsabot punkman last seen in #trilema on 2016-05-13 02:17:35: it does but you need various packages to compile it
14:15 asciilifeform while on subj, the drowned maniac's www is a good illustration of why not to use mysql : it falls down under load (not 1st time, either, for his)
14:18 asciilifeform postgres (in asciilifeform's decade of using it under all kinds of loads) -- never.
14:20 asciilifeform << where's this 'great' ? all i saw was 'cringe'
14:20 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-29 07:51:40 shinohai: Wow that is an odd sort of memento mori, and I have seen everything from great prose to outright cringe this week.
14:21 asciilifeform the only thing, imho, moar pathetic than sucking a gaslighting sociopath's cock , is continuing to suck the bloated corpse after he bites it
14:24 shinohai I've read well-written pieces on Stalin and Hitler too, has nothing to do with the subject of the writing. But imma leave it at that.
~ 29 minutes ~
14:53 asciilifeform shinohai: funnily enuff i've been reading stalin himself. (a beautiful during-life edition, too, paper still 100% white as silk)
14:53 puman asciilifeform, yes, this is punkman
14:53 asciilifeform wb puman .
14:54 puman it's been a minute
14:54 puman glad to see ascii has not drowned yet
14:55 shinohai asciilifeform: which Stalin work?
14:59 asciilifeform shinohai: 'Вопросы ленинизма'
15:00 asciilifeform puman: not drowned yet; stuck on land, where will have to wait for a piano to fall on head
15:02 shinohai For the Shithub archivists:
15:03 asciilifeform shinohai: i can't be arsed to diff -- is this asciilifeform's tar or an earlier snap?
15:04 puman looks like asciilifeform's tar
15:04 asciilifeform aite
15:04 shinohai Yeah 'tis your tar
15:07 asciilifeform lol re the context where sits -- poor fuck is spinning like turbine in his coffin
15:08 puman has a bunch of snapshots too*
15:10 shinohai >tfw even Stalin questioned Leninisms
15:10 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-29 10:59:47 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'Вопросы ленинизма'
15:11 asciilifeform shinohai: rather deep subj, does not fit in 'sound bite' or necessarily belong in this thrd
15:12 shinohai ofc merely aside
15:14 asciilifeform in other various lulz.
15:14 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-28 17:04:07 asciilifeform: in misc lulz: turns out that one casualty of the fleanodocalypse was the lock on #trilema. (not that, imho, there's anything left to be said there. unless someone wants to post a tombstone.)
15:14 snsabot (trilema) 2021-06-28 Bugpowder: ghosttown
15:14 snsabot (trilema) 2021-06-29 MPdrowned: is it real
15:18 asciilifeform shinohai: if that shithub is yours, i expect you'll eventually get the boot from that shithole when they find the goat koran porn etc
15:18 shinohai asciilifeform: Not mine .... that fellow joerodgers that was lurking yesterday owns if I'm not mistaken.
15:18 asciilifeform a
15:19 * shinohai scratches head over y not just torrent?
15:20 asciilifeform nfi!
15:21 puman anyone from the old wot still running a business? I've only seen asciilifeform's hosting thing
15:22 asciilifeform puman: depends what means business, neh. this re: btc-powered ones strictly?
15:23 puman btc or shitcoin related, or even unrelated
15:24 puman been out of the loop, was reading about this Taproot shit that's coming later this year
15:24 asciilifeform puman: afaik that's it in re old wot. (there's a pair of loathesome fucks attempting to market asciilifeform's creations with serial # filed off -- but they were late-comers, surfaced after asciilifeform split w/ mp)
15:25 asciilifeform puman: why do you give a damn re prbisms ?
15:25 asciilifeform i for instance disregard'em entirely, except as necessary to filter liquishit gumming up trb
15:25 puman curious about what shit they've baked in all this time I wasn't looking
15:26 * shinohai studies prbisms in order to "know thy enemy", convert shitcoin into btc ....
15:26 * asciilifeform at one time was curious, in '17 largely stopped, all the garbage has roughly same flavour
15:26 asciilifeform is only imho interesting from an exploitation pov
15:26 shinohai precisely
15:29 asciilifeform puman: how about you, where've you been, what adventures ?
15:30 * asciilifeform recalls punkman as tight-lipped fella about whom was only suspected that he was a greek, and no moar
15:32 asciilifeform in other lulz, mp on front pg of 'rt'
15:33 asciilifeform ( subj )
15:33 puman everyone doing the "what about teh coins" dance
15:33 asciilifeform lulzy imho
15:37 asciilifeform what, exactly, about the coins ? mp wasn't captain kidd, you aint finding his coinz
15:39 shinohai I should spread a rumor that he went out to sea to hide his stash in the ocean, and let the redditards similarly drown attempting to look.
15:40 asciilifeform 'fifteen men on the dead man's chest, ... and bottle of rum!'
15:41 shinohai yargh
15:45 puman I am indeed greek. I fucked off some time after the #b-a/#t split. Been mostly hanging out in Greece. Doing some computer plumbing, dabbling in collectibles, real estate and other silly things.
15:45 asciilifeform puman: ah, people-with-money things
15:45 puman #b-a ruined computers for me. it's been hard
15:45 shinohai Malaka lyfe
15:46 asciilifeform puman: i forgot, seems, that you were from the original #b-a, the one where people had coin
15:47 puman not rich yet, should have kept more coins
15:48 * asciilifeform has never , to date, sold a coin
15:48 asciilifeform puman: on my planet, if you dun have to work, yer 'rich'
15:56 thimbronion puman gave me my first WoT rating.
15:57 puman thimbronion, I did?
15:57 thimbronion puman: yeah I was gernika at that time.
16:00 puman I've been thinking I should read up on ethereum and try this
16:01 puman this web client is doing inline image previews, cool
16:01 asciilifeform puman: if linked loljpg aint a joke -- the joke's on the joker, running that kinda scamola is a full-time job
16:02 puman he had more comments, looked like he was seriously doing this
16:03 asciilifeform puman: word, eventually, gets around. (even 1000y ago there were 'smart' fucks who thought was 'smart' to go from town to town an' borrow dough w/o any intent to pay back)
16:04 asciilifeform what btw does ethertardism got to do with it ?
16:08 puman guessing it's a niche that would offer good amount of such remote "jobs". HN fellow specialized in "machine learning" iirc.
16:12 * puman was cleaning attic couple days ago and found old bitcoin poster made by nubbins
16:18 puman fucking Karpeles again? "One reason for staffers' virulent disapproval is Shells CTO Mark Karpelès"
16:18 asciilifeform puman: see thread.
16:18 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-29 15:37:23 asciilifeform: fella apparently connected w/ no less than karpeles et al.
16:19 puman guessing these folks wanted to get data on freenode users that might have coinz
~ 32 minutes ~
16:51 asciilifeform puman: imho lunacy -- who the fuck discusses seekrit 'coinz' in plaintext
16:55 shinohai I use steganography to hide mine in folder of aforementioned goat pr0n for Hitler's future entertainment.
~ 32 minutes ~
17:28 whaack asciilifeform: i'm getting some password mismatch bullshit when connecting to dulap irc at port
17:29 whaack verisimilitude: You ever figure out a solution?
17:29 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-15 23:20:21 verisimilitude: I'm getting some error relating to the password; it could be an oddity of erc. It communicates a small amount of mostly useless information. Anyway, I'm not worried, so I'll figure it out later.
17:30 asciilifeform whaack: hm, post the eggog?
17:30 asciilifeform whaack: also, are you trying to connect to the orig. 'dulapnet', or to the beta-arsenet ? (on same box)
17:32 whaack i'm trying to connect to whatever is running on the ip i posted with port 6667
17:32 whaack
17:32 whaack asciilifeform: not sure what the term eggog means but ^ that's what my client spits back
17:39 asciilifeform whaack: this is your 1st time connecting?
17:39 whaack asciilifeform: i was able to connect with a different client a week or so ago
17:43 asciilifeform ah hm
17:44 asciilifeform whaack: sadly irc aint actually properly standard (see e.g.)
17:44 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-16 13:46:57 asciilifeform: << i had to commit this kludge warcrime to get the bot to talk to 'unreal irc'.
17:44 asciilifeform whaack: make sure you don't have sslism enabled inadvertently
17:51 asciilifeform << i recently found a bag of shirts, by same, from the old crate
17:51 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-29 12:12:52 puman: was cleaning attic couple days ago and found old bitcoin poster made by nubbins
17:51 * asciilifeform was dead certain he had gotten rid of whole pile, but there they are
17:54 asciilifeform meanwhile mp's www again worx
17:55 asciilifeform who found missing parts in tar, now's yer chance to grab'em
17:57 shinohai Appears comments are disabled or not displaying here tho
17:58 puman was probably getting some heavy comment spam
18:03 asciilifeform lol shinohai , for what didja want to comment
18:03 asciilifeform corpses dun read comments, shinohai , if you want to communicate w/'em gotta locate grave and shit on it
18:04 shinohai I din say I wished to comment, I observed that *no comments were loading* on this end.
18:07 asciilifeform a
18:11 asciilifeform lol already apparently cocksuckers 'sanitizing' his pile o'shit
18:11 asciilifeform this is why asciilifeform baked the mirror (which horrified e.g. asciilifeform's brother, 'what kind of moron are you, that bastard had kilometres of libels about you and you cache his www?')
18:12 asciilifeform let folx see mp as he actually was.
18:12 asciilifeform libels, exhibitionisms, korans, etc. all included.
18:13 asciilifeform and incl. the comments, incl. where he bragged about stealing jurov's coin and so on.
18:15 asciilifeform ( 1 2 & discussed elsewhere )
18:15 snsabot (ossasepia) 2020-06-02 jurov: And I pay no heed to TMSR anymore, because it behaved to my clients worse than any government.
18:15 snsabot (therealbitcoin) 2020-06-06 jurov: Wow, i can't think of clearer admission that mp in fact hijacked tmsr and installed himself as government.
18:19 shinohai Well asciilifeform *did* say из песни слова не выкинешь the other day.
18:19 asciilifeform aaha.
18:19 asciilifeform means exactly this.
18:21 * asciilifeform not afraid to let folx see how e.g. mp paid asciilifeform back for 7yrs of unpaid wunderwaffen work, for instance
18:21 asciilifeform or what he did to phf. etc
18:23 asciilifeform imho mp's www paints (with his own hands!) an entirely adequate picture of 1 of the most malignant pieces of shit ever to walk this blighted planet.
18:24 asciilifeform ...his self-portrait.
18:25 asciilifeform projected, in kilometres of libels, against each of the people who made his delusions technically possible for whatever short time, breaking own backs with work paid for in insults and smeared shit.
18:26 puman which funds did MP steal from jurov? reading some of the logs but haven't figured it out yet
18:26 asciilifeform puman: confiscated all coinbr funds.
18:27 asciilifeform puman: see the linked thrd, it was revenge for jurov refusing to turn over tbf to him.
18:27 puman I had some S.NSA shares there I think
18:27 asciilifeform puman: 'won't see these like yer ears w/out a mirror' (tm)(r)(stalin)
18:30 asciilifeform puman: i can only assume you slept through the demise of s.nsa
18:30 shinohai I never expected to make anything from my S.MG shares either, what with Diana spending all her time creating colored blobs instead of actually improving gameplay.
18:30 puman I met jurov a few years back, good fellow
18:30 puman asciilifeform: I think I read about most of the s.nsa drama
18:30 puman was it after the ISP impoded?
18:30 puman *imploded
18:31 asciilifeform puman: aha
18:31 asciilifeform puman: proximately, after asciilifeform refused to give mp control of asciilifeform's new isp.
18:32 asciilifeform (probably would have, too, was dumb enuff; but if it were not the case that mp had made it clear that he wants to saddle it with 5fig/mo. usd$ expense. which asciilifeform had no way of covering)
18:34 asciilifeform puman: see e.g. this wank, for moar, if curious.
18:34 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-08 20:15:06 asciilifeform: dorion: you may begin whenever you wish. ( yer time slot is still to 1600 . )
18:36 puman lol'd at that one long ago
18:36 puman got a link to mike_c's case?
18:37 asciilifeform puman: mp carefully constructed a bullshit-universe where he 'was right' no matter what, and chorus of flunkies would nod along, and no facts could possibly pierce.
18:37 asciilifeform puman: in there somewhere
18:38 asciilifeform starting with this , i think.
18:38 snsabot (trilema) 2019-12-16 mike_c: I pulled a MPEX statement in november, but post-dividend I have not been able to (getting the 'Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.')
18:38 puman I visited trilema for old articles every now and then, but couldn't digest much if any of the "you all suck, here's my lunch" posts
18:38 asciilifeform puman: ~100% of post-snsa material, iirc, was this
18:39 puman still my favorite blog, for sure
18:42 asciilifeform puman: good crackpots are pretty hard to come by.
18:43 asciilifeform i'm still not 100% certain whether mp was always a scoundrel, or victim of substance abuse problem.
18:43 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-27 18:24:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this split is a well-known scourge of friends, relatives of brain damage patients.
18:43 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-27 10:23:49 asciilifeform: did wonder whether fella had a 'substances' problem.
18:45 shinohai "Substance abuse" only theory that made sense to yours truly, and have pondered since 2018.
18:46 asciilifeform iirc he had bottles even in some of his beach pics.
18:47 asciilifeform quite possibly went to the bottom 'pickled'.
18:47 shinohai Well pickles brined in sea salt *are* tastier.
18:48 asciilifeform lol
18:49 puman I don't see the substance abuse, but I never met the man
18:50 asciilifeform puman: afaik imbibed on moar days than not, even in the 'functional' days
18:50 asciilifeform wasn't esp. secretive about it, either
18:50 asciilifeform also showed, imho, characteristic symptoms of stim abuse.
18:50 snsabot Logged on 2020-02-04 22:14:39 asciilifeform: or, for that matter, his (admitted!) cocaine. imho still shows typical effects, even tho supposedly quit.
18:52 * asciilifeform does not regard taking dope, per se, as 'moral failure' -- but does consider takers to be responsible for whatever it is they inevitably wreck while 'under influence'
~ 51 minutes ~
19:44 signpost << there was certainly a turn of some kind.
19:44 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 14:45:40 shinohai: "Substance abuse" only theory that made sense to yours truly, and have pondered since 2018.
19:44 signpost partying for years, the party has to escalate, no?
19:45 signpost << bwahahaha
19:45 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 14:47:33 shinohai: Well pickles brined in sea salt *are* tastier.
19:46 signpost << plenty of subdivisions within these. the stims seem to have the worst "bubbletronic" dynamics
19:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 14:52:46 asciilifeform: does not regard taking dope, per se, as 'moral failure' -- but does consider takers to be responsible for whatever it is they inevitably wreck while 'under influence'
19:46 asciilifeform signpost: i can't help but remember gabe laddel
19:46 signpost I find that glimmers of republic disappeared under this shitpile the only tragedy present.
19:47 asciilifeform imho process of 'separation of cutlets from flies' is pertinent here; and may find that nothing , aside from 'fair weather friends', in fact disappeared
19:48 signpost tragedy is surmountable, or what's life.
19:52 * signpost ftr sees "the" republic as a fundamental design flaw
19:53 asciilifeform aha.
19:53 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-18 14:39:17 asciilifeform: i do not necessarily laugh at the misfortune of others, until & unless they are operating a 'palace', i.e. artificially imposed dependence on central machine.
19:53 signpost at any rate, if he had a tenth the coin claimed, there are innumerable startups that could've been.
19:53 signpost so why not, eh?
19:53 asciilifeform notice how the fella artfully sleight-of-handed a politburo and kpss into existence under the banner of 'decentralization'.
19:54 signpost looked pretty soviet from this dumb merican's seat
19:54 asciilifeform signpost: he sent no fewer than (iirc) 3000 worth of spent addrs to asciilifeform , when asked the latter for help in nailing 'bch' fork
19:54 asciilifeform so had at least this.
19:55 asciilifeform (and somehow too lazy to set up a bchism himself, to do this..)
19:55 signpost sure, neither branch is admirable.
19:55 asciilifeform this in re speculations 'did he have coin' etc
19:55 signpost either sat on decorative ammo, or ammo was 95% notional
19:55 asciilifeform (at least in '17, had at least the above.)
19:55 signpost i.e. exch rate * every listing on mpex
19:56 asciilifeform very difficult, now, to say, which of the boasts were tru, to what degree.
19:56 signpost just airing which thing I call "tragedy"
19:56 asciilifeform what i do know is that his 'technical staff' were rubbish, at all points.
19:57 asciilifeform and e.g. 'mpb' was garbage.
19:57 thimbronion << I wondered the same. My understanding was that he wanted people to start their own startups. But then, where was his startup?
19:57 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 15:53:23 signpost: so why not, eh?
19:58 asciilifeform thimbronion: actually this part always made sense to asciilifeform . mp did not want to be surrounded with (what called) 'jobsworths'. wanted fanatics strictly.
19:58 asciilifeform *what he called
19:59 signpost
19:59 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-01-27 mircea_popescu: so, how about : you show me you can in fact live like a man, rather than as a welfare child, and then i show you where there are partisans, to believe.
19:59 asciilifeform it was why, for example, snsa did not provision so much as a penny for liberating asciilifeform from day job.
19:59 signpost eh, someone has to start.
19:59 billymg thimbronion, signpost: add me to that list as well. this was one of my biggest questions. man could've paid salaries for a dozen people to work full time and still not have more of an effect on his worth than a rounding error
19:59 asciilifeform signpost: aha, plenty of these in logs
20:00 billymg it would still not*
20:00 asciilifeform billymg: see, this is among the few things i agreed with him in. start paying people, and before long all the dough evaporates, and you have what to show for it? a shiticon valley corp corpse?
20:00 * signpost ftr has bootstrapped a shartup on own dime
20:00 signpost it took a fucking decade.
20:00 signpost and I don't think I could do it at present inflation rates
20:01 billymg asciilifeform: it can be an arrangement where very low salary, equity stake, etc.
20:01 asciilifeform signpost: pretty close to weimar
20:01 signpost aha
20:01 asciilifeform billymg: i had 'equity stake', lol!! see how much good did ?
20:01 billymg and only given to those who show they are committed for more than the money
20:01 * signpost still anticipates greater, and likely war
20:02 asciilifeform billymg: there was in fact a lulzy hole in the charter, where asciilifeform would 1st have to purchase mpex acct at the going rate -- which could be ~anything~ -- before ever claiming a single satoshi
20:02 * signpost agrees asciilifeform was probably fucked over more than anyone
20:02 thimbronion I couldn't be bothered to start another startup until BTC has reached 1mn roughly.
20:02 signpost I can't claim greater than "serious hobby" on anything.
20:02 * asciilifeform put up with this, because 'fought for the motherland' rather than expecting profit.
20:04 billymg asciilifeform: yes, by equity i of course meant non-scam equity from person who plans to make good on the offer
20:04 signpost only kind signpost ever extended anyone.
20:04 billymg my point was mostly just that salary != disenfranchised bare minimum effort worker in all cases
20:04 asciilifeform billymg: we never got , however, to the point where asciilifeform would be fucked by the charter; simply because the 'biz ideas' were lunacy from a roi pov
20:04 dulapbot Logged on 2021-01-06 22:56:33 asciilifeform: trinque: re 'profit centers', asciilifeform was cured of this notion when rubbed face 1st into e.g. 'no, there is not market for uncensored undns'd hosting', 'no, there aint a silent majority yearning for nonwhitened trng', etc
20:05 signpost at any rate, I can only express my gratitude that I own trustworthy RNGs to asciilifeform.
20:05 billymg asciilifeform: re: fought for motherland: even soldiers receive room and board and small level of pay
20:05 signpost and cram as much actual computer science as can find into my head while the world implodes.
20:05 billymg the whole idea would've been so that asciilifeform (or other productive members) could quit day job, not lead cushy life
20:06 asciilifeform billymg: we were 'outpatient' soldiers, similar to, i suppose, 'isis' operatives, expected to 'live off the land'
20:07 asciilifeform signpost: i was thinking of running a 'hitler kaput' edition FG reprint; but w/ current shortages it'd be done some time in '22, lol
20:07 * signpost pats his stack of mac G4s
20:07 thimbronion << same. I'm past trying to convince people. My actions are argument enough at this point.
20:07 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 16:01:26 signpost: still anticipates greater, and likely war
20:08 signpost the shortages are transient. eventually you die!
20:09 asciilifeform then coffin shortage, lol
20:09 signpost hey, I'm not fancy
20:09 signpost thimbronion: out of crisis will emerge all manner of historically recurrent political idiocies
20:10 asciilifeform already emerging
20:21 asciilifeform billymg: see various '19 wanks also re subj
20:21 dulapbot Logged on 2019-10-31 14:12:43 asciilifeform: spyked: the 'clef' to that 'roman a clef' is imho pretty simple. mp ate at asciilifeform's technological table for 7+y w/out paying in anyffin but insults (i dun particularly care re the insults, imho it is how proper male conversation worx.) this had to stop eventually, as it meshed poorly w/ mp's 'self image' as 'god emperor'. last straw was when asciilifeform, after failure of piz, built new isp, with the orig bug that kille
20:21 * asciilifeform predicted more or less exactly the denoument..
20:22 * asciilifeform was digging for quite different thrd tho, re: how mp thought asciilifeform was a liar when describing being poor
20:23 asciilifeform ... he disbelieved in the existence, in modern times, of well-paid contract programmers , and thought 'if can trade 4-5fig usd for b., then not poor'
20:24 asciilifeform d00d's contact, for most of his life, esp. in orcistan, w/ 'programming types', was with folx of the 'indian web coad' variety.
20:25 * asciilifeform gives up , for nao, search for $thread; if anyone recalls it, plox to write in.
20:37 billymg asciilifeform: even if he thought you were rich it still doesn't make sense. 50/50 scenario where one guy puts up the dough, the other the sweat, is extremely common form of partnership. shouldn't even matter if both have dough to begin with, unless one is paranoid and thinks the other is a grifter
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20:55 shinohai >.>
20:56 * shinohai finally got around to setting up ZNC for dulapnet, will abandon fleanode soon
21:00 asciilifeform welcome to dulapnet, shinohai !
21:00 asciilifeform billymg: important pt is that he was convinced that i was a liar.
21:01 asciilifeform after that was 'down hill'.
21:06 billymg asciilifeform: ah
21:10 shinohai signpost ... any plans to bring deedbot over?
21:10 asciilifeform shinohai: i expect it'll be on the new net
21:10 asciilifeform (which doesn't 100% work yet)
21:10 signpost ^
21:11 * asciilifeform brb
21:11 shinohai Had seen net/connection woes in logs, though gonna review that thread again to see if I can throw some time @ ircd problem.
21:12 asciilifeform shinohai: it's possibly very gnarly.
21:12 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-28 10:14:54 asciilifeform: << apparently there aint a cycle-finder, at least per rfc.
21:12 * asciilifeform genuinely brb
21:12 shinohai tyvm
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21:29 shinohai $vwap
21:29 busybot The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 36302.13 USD
21:29 thestringpuller asciilifeform: and yet MP spent about 15k in BTC per quarter on diana's payroll from late 2016 - early 2021?
21:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 14:30:02 shinohai: I never expected to make anything from my S.MG shares either, what with Diana spending all her time creating colored blobs instead of actually improving gameplay.
21:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 15:59:30 asciilifeform: it was why, for example, snsa did not provision so much as a penny for liberating asciilifeform from day job.
21:30 thestringpuller and it seems *checks diana's blog* eulora cribbed asciilifeform homework free of charge
21:38 shinohai At least I stacked sats w/ Qntra. BingoBoingo and jurov never let me down.
21:49 thestringpuller shinohai: I've entrusted more money over my lifetime with jurov than any person I know IRL. I do hope he is well. He was right all along. No shade on smickles, but jurov was definitely the better broker.
21:55 shinohai I never had bad thing at all to say about jurov, guy still resides in my WoT and is to be commended for keeping trbfoundation website alive.
21:57 shinohai ^ will bring busybot back online shortly, was more painless to get it to connect than I imagined.
21:59 puman "ask what time it is and wind, wave, star, bird, clock will answer you: "It is time to be drunk! So as not to be the martyred slaves of time, be drunk, be continually drunk! On wine, on poetry or on virtue as you wish.""
22:01 asciilifeform puman: be sure to see the log -- there's a parallel irc net going, and logged in same place
22:01 puman this is well fucked huh
22:05 shinohai $ticker btc usd
22:05 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $36185.34
22:08 puman last line I got on this web client was
22:08 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-29 14:52:46 asciilifeform: does not regard taking dope, per se, as 'moral failure' -- but does consider takers to be responsible for whatever it is they inevitably wreck while 'under influence'
22:09 puman is this a matter of being connected to the wrong server?
22:09 * shinohai now happy has znc + bot working on nyoo net in case freenode finally burns to ground.
22:09 puman can't recall the last time I saw an irc split
22:10 shinohai puman: asciilifeform set up own server due to fleanode woes
22:10 shinohai so 'tis logging here and there.
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23:04 asciilifeform puman: it aint a split, we're building a new network and i deliberately log #a from ~both~ there and fleanode (while lasts) into same db.
23:04 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-18 18:35:02 asciilifeform: the troo p2p topology i propose removes all kindsa fundamentally palace-flavoured concepts -- 'joining', 'kicking', 'banning' -- and replaces simply w/ freedom of association, i.e. peering & unpeering.
23:05 asciilifeform observe that you can cite log lines and it 100% worx .
23:05 asciilifeform doesn't matter , on day+ time scale, which hole you talk into.
23:11 asciilifeform << >>
23:11 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 17:29:28 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: and yet MP spent about 15k in BTC per quarter on diana's payroll from late 2016 - early 2021?
23:13 asciilifeform remember, diana brought cunt to the table. (and not only literally; but also 'obediently' !)
23:13 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 10:54:47 asciilifeform: managerial types luvv these to death, they reliably produce 'steady labour' flavour that satisfies performance metrics, whether bureaucratic (reich orgs incl. usg) or sadomasochistic (mp's)
23:15 shinohai The blind obedience is the determinate factor there.
23:24 asciilifeform shinohai: it wasn't simply about 'obedience' in the usual ustard sense, but in the 'anticipatory' kind associated with b&d
23:24 shinohai aha
23:25 asciilifeform 'conceive in your mind, my lord, your fondest wish, and we shall have the honour of guessing and fulfilling it' say, iirc, the houri in koran
23:25 asciilifeform that kinda thing.
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