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02:04 vex asciilifeform, it's probably pertinent to update the original trb charter with whatever subsequent items have been agreed upon in the logs
02:17 vex I don't have it in front om me, but I remember my own misgivings
02:20 * vex is neither lawyer nor gynaecologist, but fuck it. I'll have a look
02:26 vex from memory, if both bomo and mod resigned, divide by zero
02:39 vex go get a sandwich or pay back jurov are allowable under the contract
02:40 vex you could park a peterbilt with 3 trailers sideways into that charter
02:44 vex maybe that's a good thing.
02:46 vex in any case, theres twelftie million lines of logs after the charter.
02:47 signpost should be done joining/parting.
02:47 vex ssstutterap
~ 43 minutes ~
03:31 asciilifeform vex: rewrite of charter ranks somewhere near dead last atm.
03:32 asciilifeform not that it oughn't to be done.
03:33 asciilifeform !!deed
03:34 asciilifeform oh hm iguess notyet. signpost lemme know when to try it again.
03:34 asciilifeform (or i suppose it doesn't have to be asciilifeform pushing that button)
03:42 vex notrlly my place to talk
03:45 vex you're a fine wordsmith alf
03:47 vex I doubt jurov will accept any forkcoin from trb coffers.
03:49 vex I wouldn't oppose it
03:53 vex once upon a time I woulda deffered to mats on matters like this, but he has declared his bias
03:56 signpost asciilifeform: it's already enqueued, will pop out the other side in a few days
03:56 signpost then quicker after that
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04:22 thimbronion
~ 1 hours 40 minutes ~
06:02 punkman thimbronion: "Poll the socket only once per second instead of continuously" << that's probably too slow, perhaps something closer to 50-100ms
~ 2 hours 52 minutes ~
08:55 jurov I did not strictly maintain the real balance to be the same as accounting balance, is it what is it, no need to make an issue out of that.
08:57 jurov Can sign a declaration to that end if alf wants to have it. I don't want to get paid. Perhaps I'll eventually pull the shitcoins if alf isn't having them and that's all.
~ 3 hours 16 minutes ~
12:13 thimbronion punkman: that would feel more responsive but otoh rubbish packets are going to be going out at around 1/s.
~ 43 minutes ~
12:56 asciilifeform jurov: don't worry about it, simply asciilifeform ended up scratching head and rechecking arithmetic, and tried to make a guess as to why the #'s were != .
12:58 asciilifeform jurov: if you don't want the forkcoinz, i'll recycle them, simply assumed that since jurov was able to measure their qty, had a working 'recycling plant' for'em at ready.
13:04 * asciilifeform mothballed his bch recycler, after had processed own lolcoins and even serviced mp's, didn't anticipate using it again
13:04 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 15:54:42 asciilifeform: signpost: he sent no fewer than (iirc) 3000 worth of spent addrs to asciilifeform , when asked the latter for help in nailing 'bch' fork
13:04 shinohai asciilifeform: I can assist with forkcoinz recycling, since ya know converting them to BTC proper is one of my specialties.
13:05 shinohai $ticker btc usd
13:05 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $64929.4
13:05 asciilifeform shinohai: where do you usually trade'em for actual coin?
13:05 asciilifeform the place asciilifeform used last time dun seem to exist anymoar
13:06 * asciilifeform given that jurov doesn't want'em, then will recycle and add the resulting lunchmoney to the piggy
13:06 shinohai I have several accounts: Binance, Frei, I think on of the girls has a coinbase account since I'm blacklisted there. xD
13:07 asciilifeform ah so the ordinary goxes still take'em ? hm ok
13:07 asciilifeform $ticker bch btc
13:07 busybot Current BCH price in BTC: $0.0104
13:08 asciilifeform interesting
13:08 shinohai Yeah but if ya have the "BSV" (fork-of-fork of Bitcoin Cash) I'd highly recommend dumping THOSE asap.
13:08 asciilifeform $ticker bsv btc
13:08 busybot Current BSV price in BTC: $0.002735
13:08 shinohai trolololol
13:09 asciilifeform $ticker bcg btc
13:09 busybot Current BCG price in Response: $ErrorMessage: $cccagg_or_exchange market does not exist for this coin pair (BCG-BTC)HasWarning: $falseType: $1RateLimit: $Data: $Cooldown: $0
13:09 shinohai oops
13:09 asciilifeform loox like that one properly croaked?
13:11 asciilifeform shinohai: lemme know if you know of other pertinent lolcoins that may be 'present' and oughta be recycled.
13:11 asciilifeform ( jurov, as you can infer, sent asciilifeform the old key )
13:12 shinohai Appears BCG in fact ded .... not listed on any of my exchanges.
13:14 shinohai Funny thing is tho coinmarketcap doesn't have it listed as BCG but as
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14:00 jurov yes it's fine, i was under impression you won't touch the splitcoins with ten foot pole :)
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14:17 shinohai billymg: I upgraded to new blatta but didn't import old db, so I'll get yer key added back in a bit (if you are aso testing it)
14:31 asciilifeform jurov: lolwhy, splitcoins are great, it's as if idjits were sending out postcards w/ phree bitcent. (arguably we oughta have recycled'em while they were 'fashinable' and worth 3-4 bitcents rather than 1, but better late than never imho)
14:32 asciilifeform << when 'rekey' is implemented, this will be over9000 moar painful, so hopefully thimbronion can nail down db format
14:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 09:17:40 shinohai: billymg: I upgraded to new blatta but didn't import old db, so I'll get yer key added back in a bit (if you are aso testing it)
14:34 shinohai Hey I'm just happy he chose relatively sane db like sqlite.
14:48 billymg << looking forward to this one for sure
14:48 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-10 12:41:05 mod6: I'll also continue work / testing on that rawtx stuff and report in. I think the main function that I'm currently needed to build is signrawtransaction(). I believe I might have all the rest working.
14:49 billymg << i've used jfw's (which i believe he based off polarbeard's), it works well enough, though trb's fee estimation is a bit dated these days
14:49 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-10 12:42:17 mod6: (I may hvae an implementation of sendrawtransaction(), I'll have to look - unsure at this point. Certainly have not tested it, if I do have it implemented.)
14:52 billymg << speaking of the block explorer, i now have some extra ssd space thanks to thimbronion's most recent cr visit, if whaack can muster the energy to publish a genesis patch of his work i'd very much like to try it out
14:52 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-10 12:48:17 asciilifeform: aha. whaack was doing all kinds of 'block explore' experiments (atm he's on hiatus from iirc injured hands)
14:57 billymg << about to get to this now
14:57 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 09:17:40 shinohai: billymg: I upgraded to new blatta but didn't import old db, so I'll get yer key added back in a bit (if you are aso testing it)
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15:15 thimbronion There are definitely more changes to the schema coming. I will try to smooth the migration process with migration scripts.
15:19 billymg asciilifeform: question for my rk: how do i find its kernel config? i looked /usr/src/ and /boot (after mounting) and can't find anything
15:21 thimbronion asciilifeform: what is your rationale for running trb on top of Pest? Hiding trb nodes w/o tor?
15:24 shinohai billymg: if it helps here is my copy of rk kernel config:
15:26 PeterL thimbronion: if you run trb on top of pest then you know the identity of who is giving you packets
15:28 thimbronion PeterL: ah. indeed that is better enforcement than an ip whitelist.
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15:52 asciilifeform << the notion of 'hiding' nodes doesn't make a lot of sense, if you think about it ( even if you have own mining farm, still gotta talk to others ) . but this otoh would be useful.
15:52 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 10:21:00 thimbronion: asciilifeform: what is your rationale for running trb on top of Pest? Hiding trb nodes w/o tor?
15:52 dulapbot Logged on 2020-07-19 14:42:20 asciilifeform: whaack: at 1 time, asciilifeform wrote a mechanism, 'wires', to make it simple to create 'private' cliques of noads that can connect to one another. but abandoned from lack of in-wot interest. (didn't help that the 1st version was buggy, either)
15:53 asciilifeform and lol PeterL already said correct explanation, aha
15:53 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 10:26:31 PeterL: thimbronion: if you run trb on top of pest then you know the identity of who is giving you packets
15:54 asciilifeform << thinking about it, 1 feature that would defo be Right Thing is ciphered storage of station state.
15:54 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 09:34:24 shinohai: Hey I'm just happy he chose relatively sane db like sqlite.
15:54 asciilifeform (at least optionally)
15:55 asciilifeform >> zcat /proc/config.gz oughta work
15:55 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 10:19:03 billymg: asciilifeform: question for my rk: how do i find its kernel config? i looked /usr/src/ and /boot (after mounting) and can't find anything
15:55 asciilifeform ( lemme know if it doesn't )
15:55 billymg asciilifeform: yeah, i tried that too actually, didn't work
15:55 asciilifeform hrm
15:55 billymg "gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory"
15:56 asciilifeform there's also a copy in the tarball found in yer home dir on the box
15:56 * asciilifeform surprised, was quite certain he enabled the proc conf thing
15:56 asciilifeform possibly that was only on dulaps.
15:58 asciilifeform billymg: see asciilifeform's rk cookbook , there's a link to the src/config tarball, and instruction for emplacement of the kernel on the sd (where it lives with the bootloader; rather than on the usb3 hose)
15:59 asciilifeform billymg: i highly rec to test any modded kernel on desk rk before uploading to your unit in the rack.
15:59 billymg asciilifeform: would be difficult for me since i don't have a desk rk unfortunately
15:59 billymg i want to run an openvpn server on it
16:01 asciilifeform billymg: asciilifeform has no objection, but do recall the bw proviso in the doc.
16:01 billymg so i think i just need the TUN module enabled in the kernel for that
16:01 asciilifeform right, iirc is all it needs
16:01 billymg asciilifeform: it wouldn't be for anything bandwidth intensive
16:01 asciilifeform then a++
16:01 billymg sometimes just need US ip when in CR
16:01 asciilifeform makes sense
16:02 * asciilifeform uses ssh tunnels in such cases, imho simpler than fiddling w/ vpn clients. but matter of taste
16:03 billymg asciilifeform: hm, with an ssh tunnel would i also be able to use, say, a GUI browser through it?
16:04 * billymg is not familiar with it and assumed "ssh tunnel" meant the ssh command in a terminal
16:04 asciilifeform billymg: see e.g.
16:05 asciilifeform if yer traveling with something like a reasonable linux box, is quite simple
16:05 billymg asciilifeform: ah, ok then! that seems a lot easier than doing the whole vpn server setup
16:06 asciilifeform billymg: give it a try. if not suffices, i'ma help you bake a vpnistic rk kernel (may come in handy for other folx also)
16:06 asciilifeform but may have to wait for weekend
16:06 billymg asciilifeform: sounds good, will do
16:06 asciilifeform ty
16:13 asciilifeform btw billymg wouldja like a (on the house!) desk rk ? asciilifeform has enuff for 100yrs, can spare
16:14 asciilifeform billymg: if so, pgpgram snailmail addr for it
16:14 billymg asciilifeform: sure! would be neat to have one to play around with here
16:14 asciilifeform a++ then
16:16 asciilifeform maybe billymg will end up the hero who makes working rk trb.
16:16 thimbronion PeterL:
16:16 bitbot (pest) 2021-11-11 awt: Did you see this PeterL?
16:17 PeterL what keeps trb from working on the rk currently?
16:17 asciilifeform oughta be possible, asciilifeform baked an arm7 trb in '15
16:17 asciilifeform PeterL: arm8 compiler barfola, iirc, when building bdb
16:18 asciilifeform << yer behind a nat, aintcha.
16:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-08 13:40:49 asciilifeform: if stops doing this -- that port gets closed and the next packet will come outta a new ephemeral port
16:18 bitbot (pest) 2021-11-11 awt: I have this message going out to you: 2021-11-11 11:23:39.735009 [] <- ff7626d12e8c8bf2
16:19 PeterL could be it
16:20 thimbronion PeterL: just sent you a DM as well: 2021-11-11 11:26:40.789205 [] <- 5d1c79fbc63e16e3
16:20 asciilifeform 55565 is defo an ephemeral port. these'll stay open if the station sprays at least 1 packet/s to ea. peer. thimbronion's current draft doesn't have this yet tho.
16:20 thimbronion asciilifeform: yep
16:20 PeterL is there a way in blatta to update the port?
16:21 thimbronion PeterL: sure but it doesn't matter if you're behind a NAT
16:21 PeterL ah, I see
16:22 asciilifeform btw for troo 'hole punching , if we were to a msg type where yer peer tells you your ephemeral port, then a pair of peers where ~both~ are natted could link up if either of'em has a peer who isn't and is reachable.
16:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-08 12:56:17 asciilifeform: thimbronion: 'hole punching' actually is what we're doing presently,turns out, w/ asciilifeform's station; but it dunwork reliably, because ephemeral
16:23 asciilifeform but this is imho a luxury. per asciilifeform's orig. spec 'at least 1 peer in a pair must have a routable public addr/port known to the other'
16:23 asciilifeform *to have a msg type
16:24 asciilifeform worth thinking about imho, tho.
16:25 asciilifeform it'd give an almost entirely 'nat-agnostic' pest.
16:26 asciilifeform ( for some folx, may be very helpful, various portable gsm etc. modems have annoying mandatory nat )
16:27 asciilifeform various well-known heathenware (e.g. old-style 'skype', prior to microshit's purchase and mutilation) had this.
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18:41 asciilifeform shinohai: do you know which gox still eats 'bsv' ?
18:41 asciilifeform $ticker bsv btc
18:41 busybot Current BSV price in BTC: $0.002756
18:44 shinohai asciilifeform:
18:45 asciilifeform shinohai: have you used any of the listed goxen ?
18:45 * asciilifeform found that most of'em require a non-usa postage addr
18:46 shinohai Bitfinex only one I've used (but no longer have account).
18:47 asciilifeform iirc it turned into 1 of these
18:47 asciilifeform 'coinbase', where had ~decade-old acct, won't eat 'bsv'.
18:47 asciilifeform been so long since had occasion to use a gox
18:50 shinohai Sadly FreiExchange doesn't list 'em, it's one of the few "Don't ask, don't tell" shitcoin exchanges left.
18:51 asciilifeform shinohai: asciilifeform didn't even bother to look for that kind (had nfi there's any left) plus it aint as if the piggy proclamation wasn't max. public, with trumpets
18:52 asciilifeform the bch recycling will be complete once the bch gox coughs up the output (supposing it does, lol)
18:52 shinohai lol
18:53 shinohai tbh seems more trouble than worth to do BSV, would only net ya ~0.09 BTC to do so.
18:54 asciilifeform it's still sumthing.
18:54 asciilifeform not quite below 'dust' thresh.
18:55 shinohai Yeah I mean it's a decent amt. But can almost guarantee there will be KYC attached to whatever xchange fucks with it.
18:55 asciilifeform shinohai: prolly
18:55 shinohai "Ain't nobody got time for that!" (tm)
18:56 asciilifeform at one time there was no kycism unless you were churning fiat, but nfi nao
18:58 asciilifeform shinohai: if you wanna handle the bsv recycling, name yer rate and pgpgram an addr.
18:59 asciilifeform ditto bcg
18:59 asciilifeform and whatever other lolcoins i may've missed
18:59 shinohai bcg moar ded than mp
18:59 asciilifeform lolk
19:02 shinohai But in world of shitcoinery sometimes ded coins resurrect. NYAN guy sold 8 million of those for a cool $200K recently.
19:02 asciilifeform lol who the fuck buys dead shitcoins?
19:02 * asciilifeform suspects a laundry op rather than ordinary 'market sale'
19:03 asciilifeform y'know, similarly to those 10$k 'xbox' sales on ebay
19:03 shinohai aha
19:03 asciilifeform shinohai: would like to recycle the 'bsv' crapola if at all possible tho.
19:04 asciilifeform a bitdime is nuffin to laugh at.
19:06 shinohai Buttfinex likely least evil of the listed above then.
19:07 asciilifeform seems to need a proxy just to load from usa, lol
19:08 asciilifeform if shinohai can't be arsed, then will offer this work to other l1 folx
19:09 asciilifeform needed : bsv to btc conversion for piggy. who stands up, plz state what he will charge, and pgpgram addr.
19:17 shinohai Well I could do on Changelly but it states: BSV exchanges can take up to 18 hours due to the high number of confirmations required for the incoming BSV transactions.
19:18 asciilifeform sure wainot
19:20 asciilifeform shinohai: lemme know what you want for this work ( if it's >0 i'ma give other folx a chance to 'bid' )
19:21 shinohai asciilifeform: how many BSV we talking here? Changelly's rate not the best. (So might be better to let someone with another gox acct bid)
19:22 asciilifeform shinohai: 35.3916
19:23 asciilifeform this aint desperately urgent, but i'd like it done
19:24 asciilifeform all proceeds to 1drwnmp... i.e. the new piggy.
19:25 asciilifeform minus tx fee and the doer's commission.
19:37 * asciilifeform on shinohai's rec, trying that gox, hypothetically in ~day might see output
~ 22 minutes ~
20:00 shinohai worked a++ the couple of times I used it.
~ 18 minutes ~
20:18 asciilifeform lol apparently 'coinbase' has 3d withdrawal delay nao
20:18 asciilifeform ( which supposedly can bypass by uploading passport mtgox-style, but even the button for it goes straight to eggog )
20:18 shinohai of course
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20:35 asciilifeform hm loox like that one fired
20:35 shinohai nice!
20:35 asciilifeform bch recycling yield : 0.35992805 . ( will go in quarterly broadcast )
20:37 asciilifeform naturally it shat out a segshit lol
20:38 shinohai "You saved 12 cents in feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!"
20:38 asciilifeform heh
20:39 asciilifeform for reference, piggy, seen through a heathen blockexploder .
20:42 * asciilifeform tries to recall the last time something other than dust went ~in~ the piggy
20:47 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
20:47 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $65064.62
20:47 asciilifeform !w poll
20:47 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
20:47 watchglass : Could not connect!
20:47 watchglass : Could not connect!
20:47 watchglass : Could not connect!
20:47 watchglass : Could not connect!
20:47 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=709283
20:47 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=709283
20:47 watchglass : Alive: (0.136s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=709283
20:47 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.154s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=709283 (Operator: asciilifeform)
20:47 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.183s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=709283
20:47 watchglass : Alive: (0.146s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=709283 (Operator: asciilifeform)
20:47 watchglass : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=709283 (Operator: whaack)
20:47 watchglass : Alive: (0.225s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=709283
20:47 watchglass : Alive: (0.249s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=709283
20:47 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.346s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=709283
20:47 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.663s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=709283
20:48 * asciilifeform will get around to removing dead noades from the roster this wknd hopefully
20:48 watchglass : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
20:49 watchglass : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
21:00 whaack_temp howdy all
21:02 whaack looks like somehow my isp blocked my ability to communicate via port 22.. so i had to figure that out and then reconfigure my sshd on my bouncer to be able to chat
21:05 whaack billymg: sadly the block explorer is a lot of key clicks away from being in a state where i would even consider signing its source with my key, and my wrists / fingers are still giving me trouble
21:20 whaack asciilifeform: my 2 bits on the trb funds is that 2% should be used to finance a couple of geographically diverse trb nodes, setup and collocated by people in your l1, and the rest of the funds shouldn't move until bitcoin is $500,000. Payment could be done via bounty, where once the node is running (and maybe sync'd) the person who setup the node provides some sort of proof. the bounty would be
21:20 whaack set to pay for the hardware, some months of collocation, and maybe even contain a little bonus for the work done. it could be a decent way to draw in newcomers who want to work on trb as well
21:22 asciilifeform ohai wb whaack !
21:23 asciilifeform whaack: i defo agree re nodes. plox to write in with recs if you know of reasonable quality btc-eating hosts (other than asciilifeform's, lol, cage)
21:29 asciilifeform whaack: where on planet3 are you currently?
21:29 whaack asciilifeform: i am still in cr, same spot
21:29 asciilifeform a
21:30 asciilifeform i seem to recall there's a colo in cr
21:30 whaack yes i think thimbronion set one up here
21:30 asciilifeform aa neato
21:30 whaack anyways i gotta run, bbl!
21:30 asciilifeform laters, plz stay tuned whaack !
21:31 * asciilifeform considers that the best noades are the ones folx can touch, i.e. colo, tho of course other kinds still over9000x better than none
21:33 asciilifeform noades are the 1 item that asciilifeform quite defo wants to tap the piggy for atm.
21:34 asciilifeform ideally would like to have cgra's remote-boobyhole fixes 1st tho, unwedging/patching dozen noades with any frequency would be a bitch.
21:35 asciilifeform ( even if with many hands )
21:37 asciilifeform l1 folx interested in setting up serious noades in the style described by whaack -- plox to write in.
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22:49 verisimilitude The Bitcoin blockchain is hundreds of gigabytes now, right?
22:50 verisimilitude I'd have to upgrade the VPS I rent for that.
22:51 verisimilitude Expect another article today; I'll be doing another fun little machine code documenting.
22:53 verisimilitude I was going to finally setup a Bitcoin wallet, by simply compiling trb on some old laptop to avoid needing to audit anything well, because I was going to help a woman collect her recently-deceased son's Bitcoins; my payment would've been a fair amount from what I'd helped find.
22:54 verisimilitude Consider my disappointment when I learned she didn't need me, because her son only had paper slips for Bitcoins.
~ 23 minutes ~
23:17 asciilifeform << ~400G
23:17 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 17:49:50 verisimilitude: The Bitcoin blockchain is hundreds of gigabytes now, right?
23:18 asciilifeform verisimilitude: paper slips?!
23:19 verisimilitude He only had ``paper vouchers'' for Bitcoin.
23:20 verisimilitude He only had a claim to Bitcoins held by a business.
23:21 verisimilitude I was using the metaphor commonly used here.
23:22 asciilifeform verisimilitude: possibly came outta one of these
23:22 dulapbot Logged on 2020-12-18 18:09:31 asciilifeform: saw one at a petrol station; and on top of the other abuses, it did not even dispense 'qr code' or etc. privkey w/ coin , if you bought ; instead gives you... magic url at some gox. to 'claim yer coin'.
23:22 asciilifeform there's 1 not far from asciilifeform's house
23:22 verisimilitude It was probably Coinbase or something or another.
23:23 asciilifeform likely
23:24 verisimilitude The years go by so very easily, asciilifeform.
23:24 asciilifeform lol i guess for some folx easily
23:24 verisimilitude I've had my website for nearly five years now.
23:25 verisimilitude I still recall 2014 so easily.
23:26 verisimilitude I noticed Loper-OS is roughly a decade older than my website.
23:26 * asciilifeform would be worried re brainrot if he didn't recall '14 easily
23:27 verisimilitude I mean the conversations, pages of books read, and other things besides merely the large events.
23:27 asciilifeform verisimilitude: asciilifeform had an earlier www but it 1) wasn't terribly interesting 2) ~100% of it is still visible under 'vintage' section on the current one
23:28 * asciilifeform observes that nearly all of his interesting (from whatever pov) '14 convs are in the logs.
23:29 billymg <<
23:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 11:14:24 asciilifeform: billymg: if so, pgpgram snailmail addr for it
23:30 asciilifeform billymg: got it, will send you an rk next i go out to town
23:31 billymg asciilifeform: awesome! ty again
23:31 asciilifeform billymg: do you have a fg-style usb uart for debuggery or need 1 also ?
23:31 asciilifeform (if yer fucking with kernels yergonna need a uart)
23:31 billymg asciilifeform: no, don't currently have
23:31 asciilifeform aite, will throw one in
23:32 asciilifeform i've moar than could ever hope to use
23:32 billymg sweet deal, looking forward to trying it out
23:32 asciilifeform a++
23:32 asciilifeform rk gentoo could very much use some luvv
23:33 asciilifeform it's moar or less as asciilifeform 1st baked it in '18 atm
23:34 asciilifeform i think i'ma offer all rk subscribers a phree desk rk
23:34 asciilifeform whilesupplieslast!
23:36 * dpb
23:36 asciilifeform it's astonishing, afaik asciilifeform's isp to this day is the only place on planet3 where you can get a dedicated blobless arm64.
23:36 asciilifeform dpb: would like? plox to gpggram snailaddr
23:37 asciilifeform dpb: need uart ?
23:37 billymg i could try my summer 2021 vintage gentoo on it, i'm getting ready to start that again on a thinkpad x1 so that i can make notes each step along the way (for publishing)
23:38 asciilifeform there's a rk gnat (builds ffa!) but it may need some massage too
23:39 billymg << ah, sorry to hear that it hasn't improved any, that's definitely a bummer
23:39 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 16:05:20 whaack: billymg: sadly the block explorer is a lot of key clicks away from being in a state where i would even consider signing its source with my key, and my wrists / fingers are still giving me trouble
23:45 billymg dpb: do you still have fg hardware for sale?
23:46 dpb yes
23:47 billymg what are they going for? i'm interested in 1, possibly 2
23:47 * asciilifeform wonders what became of the jfw fella , who bought all remaining fg & spare parts
23:47 dpb asciilifeform,
23:47 dpb yes, re: euart
23:48 billymg asciilifeform: i wonder sometimes too if we'll see them on pestnet someday
23:48 asciilifeform dpb: got it, will sendya a brand-new rk + uart
23:48 asciilifeform dpb, billymg : you'll need a (preferably usb3) drive of some kind
23:48 dpb they haven't gone in a while, but i'm asking 2 cents per unit
23:48 billymg asciilifeform: ack
23:50 asciilifeform << lol i expect (if not run outta juice yet) jfw & co will write 'own', 'totally not cribbed' + 100% incompat. item
23:50 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 18:48:07 billymg: asciilifeform: i wonder sometimes too if we'll see them on pestnet someday
23:50 asciilifeform but whoknows
23:51 shinohai <<< only builds using VaMP
23:51 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 18:50:00 asciilifeform: << lol i expect (if not run outta juice yet) jfw & co will write 'own', 'totally not cribbed' + 100% incompat. item
23:51 asciilifeform wainot
23:52 asciilifeform i recall d00d was 'definitely gonna' make 'own' over9000ximproved fg etc.
23:53 * asciilifeform entirely in favour of folx making their own, even 'own' wares, beats whining by over9000x
23:54 * asciilifeform rather surprised tbh that nobody's fessed up to making a fg, 'improved' or not, given how much sweat put into making this as simple as possible
23:54 billymg dpb: not unreasonable imo, will get back to you once i've figured out where they'll go and how they'll get there
23:55 shinohai Who needs fg when I can stuff some shit scraped out of a smoke detector and throw it in an altoids tin with a raspi
23:55 asciilifeform shinohai: phunphakt, dun even need the tin, for modest rngism needs can simply use a toggle switch in place of the analogue board
23:56 * billymg uses dice, but that won't work on a remote pest box
23:56 asciilifeform (switch bounce)
23:57 asciilifeform dice, coins, still work, if yer patient
23:57 asciilifeform sorta how some folx still use hand-cranked drills . even asciilifeform has one and on occasion uses
23:58 asciilifeform and as late as ww2, many folx on the front lit fire the old-fashioned way, with flint an' tinder.
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