00:12 |
vex |
trb might be of interest to something like Fidelity, prolly need charity status b4 they start donating tho |
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00:12 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 12:51:08 bonechewer: Mutual fund giant Fidelity declares in report (PDF): "bitcoin should be considered first and separate from all other digital assets that have come after it". Any shitcoiners jump from windows yet? |
00:15 |
vex |
Is there even a board? |
00:23 |
vex |
if everyone's 401k holds 5% coin, what's that look like? |
00:29 |
vex |
everyone can't hodl forever |
00:30 |
vex |
One of these days, I'll post a fully formed thought |
00:32 |
vex |
Serious question re trb tho asciilifeform: what's up with trb? |
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00:35 |
vex |
You've seemingly always held the reigns, now also the treasury... |
00:40 |
vex |
any guesses re man hrs reqd for a battle hard ada trb? |
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00:47 |
vex |
perhaps it's easier to launch shino's `88 into the solarsysterm to sideswipe musk. which would be cool af |
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00:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-02#1077808 << lol vex, how do you picture this ? |
00:53 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 19:12:38 vex: trb might be of interest to something like Fidelity, prolly need charity status b4 they start donating tho |
00:54 |
vex |
like I said, I usually have half formed thoughts these days |
00:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-02#1077814 << atm asciilifeform 'judge, jury, executioner'. see also q4 report. currently notenuff hands to break ground on anyffin interesting. |
00:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 19:32:35 vex: Serious question re trb tho asciilifeform: what's up with trb? |
00:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-10 22:33:43 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/trb/trb_change_of_guard.txt |
00:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-17 19:55:22 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tbf/tbf_q4_2021.txt |
00:55 |
vex |
I suspect every outcome would be heavy graoning from alf |
00:55 |
vex |
thanks |
00:55 |
asciilifeform |
np |
00:57 |
asciilifeform |
vex: asciilifeform would be surprised, but cannot rule out, the possibility that heathen orgs (e.g. the linked one) make use of trb. |
00:57 |
asciilifeform |
none have written in, mega-unsurprisingly |
00:58 |
vex |
prolly haven't heard |
00:59 |
vex |
although it seems the aformentioned has a hoarde of ppl, so I wouldn't be surprised either |
01:00 |
* |
asciilifeform not aware of any heathen org with a serious interest in bitcoin other than from pov of subverting it, or at least tolerating existing subversions (e.g. segshit), so would be rather odd imho. |
01:01 |
vex |
your guess is as good, if not better, than mine |
01:02 |
asciilifeform |
guess is based on 'astronomical' observations and observable political faces. |
01:03 |
asciilifeform |
if some mega-rockefeller in fact wrote 'own trb', it is being used 'under a blanket, at night' and has 0 detectable network presence. |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-02#1077816 << moar than avail. |
01:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 19:40:55 vex: any guesses re man hrs reqd for a battle hard ada trb? |
01:04 |
vex |
aha |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
most interesting imho trb effort is currently cgra's (focused on the apparently bottomless well of bugola), followed by whaack's yet-unpublished thing |
01:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-29 16:06:35 whaack: !e view-block 0 |
01:07 |
vex |
I've been reading cgras insights in the logs |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-02#1077817 << most of the req'd pieces -- published a while ago. |
01:07 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 19:47:17 vex: perhaps it's easier to launch shino's `88 into the solarsysterm to sideswipe musk. which would be cool af |
01:07 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db . |
01:08 |
vex |
both worthy boardmembers imho |
01:08 |
asciilifeform |
so far afaik nobody wants the 'unsexy' chores. |
01:09 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform suspects that ~errybody understands that no one will be 'getting rich and famous' from trb. |
01:16 |
asciilifeform |
vex: the piggy, fwiw, dun amount to much currently. |
01:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-18 11:28:20 asciilifeform: ... problem is, is very difficult to increase the amt of useful work with coin (aside from, hypothetically, jailbreaking ~people~, ideally 2-3 people. but piggy -- or 'sandwich-adjusted' exchrate -- would have to be ~10x bigger to make this plausible) |
01:18 |
asciilifeform |
( subj, for reference. ) |
01:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-11 15:39:49 asciilifeform: for reference, piggy, seen through a heathen blockexploder . |
01:18 |
vex |
better than nothing eh? |
01:19 |
asciilifeform |
certainly |
01:19 |
asciilifeform |
but not by much, lol |
01:19 |
vex |
can't pay salaries, that's for sure |
01:20 |
asciilifeform |
if asciilifeform (or jurov, prior) had listened to all the folx w/ ideas for blowing it, would already be a memory |
01:21 |
vex |
fuckin' oath mate |
01:23 |
asciilifeform |
subj will be a moar interesting one when/if the decimal point moves in correct direction. |
01:25 |
vex |
fuckin' oath mateury |
01:26 |
vex |
? or add a few zeros to the treasury? |
01:26 |
asciilifeform |
was speaking of exch rate |
01:26 |
vex |
I know |
01:27 |
asciilifeform |
wouldn't hold breath waiting for someone (who?) to drop megatonne of moolah in piggy, lol |
01:27 |
vex |
abilgail, the ceo of Fidelity for instance |
01:27 |
asciilifeform |
lol why |
01:29 |
vex |
Dunno, never met the chick |
01:30 |
asciilifeform |
afaik at no pt has a saecular org 'dropped moolah' on a public project for any purpose other than 'embrace & extend/extinguish' and to any amt other than chickenshit. |
01:30 |
vex |
she sent that decree that bonechewer linked |
01:30 |
asciilifeform |
what of it ? |
01:31 |
vex |
I think she might like bitcoin, just a hunch |
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01:32 |
asciilifeform |
possibly, but dollars to doughnuts thinks gavin's atrocity 'is bitcoin' |
01:33 |
asciilifeform |
the 1 afaik promising proposal to shock-therapy such sufferers is whaack's. but reqs over9000btc for the detonator. |
01:34 |
vex |
I reckon she'd wanna have lunch with you. |
01:34 |
asciilifeform |
( and might ignite the atmosphere, lol ) |
01:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-26 20:50:02 asciilifeform: it's rather similar to where e.fermi et al did not have a rigorous proof that 1st nuke wouldn't chain-fission planet3, atmosphere, ocean & all |
01:35 |
asciilifeform |
vex: it aint as if were a mystery how to mail asciilifeform . who fwiw gets (and occasionally answers) all kindsa heathen strange. |
01:37 |
vex |
me thinks abby would be paying |
01:37 |
asciilifeform |
for that matter asciilifeform aint in a tropical pirate island, but right in heart of the fucking reich, if these folx wanted to visit, could walk almost across the street. |
01:37 |
asciilifeform |
(but not surprisingly, they have not, lol) |
01:39 |
asciilifeform |
occasionally folx walk in with commercial contracts. but it's always for maintaining industrial shitware, rather than anyffin btc-related |
01:39 |
* |
asciilifeform shudders at what 'btc-related' might want in typical case. but 0 so far |
01:41 |
vex |
same. |
01:43 |
vex |
wall street wants to play tho. it's happening |
01:43 |
asciilifeform |
from asciilifeform's pov, today just as decade ago, thing's a 'sword in the stone'; there's ~0 public activity in it that doesn't readily reduce to one type of egregious scam or anuther |
01:43 |
asciilifeform |
and what little there is, is visible right here. |
01:44 |
asciilifeform |
vex: their 'play' consists of the usual, afaik, invariably |
01:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'. |
01:45 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. fulfilling reich dictat re damping the exchrate and disrupting organic hawala network formation. |
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01:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-19 13:03:00 asciilifeform: the reason why various 2010s 'they'll ban goxes!' prognoses (incl. asciilifeform's) came to nuffin, is that turns out goxes are a very effective instrument of exchrate control, and therefore quite valuable to the reich. |
01:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-25 14:19:31 asciilifeform: is half of why reich even tolerates goxes -- to put brakes on the development of proper wotronic trade. |
01:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-14 20:07:52 asciilifeform: i.e. you go to yer l1 hawaladar. |
01:47 |
asciilifeform |
in '17 party line was switched from 'try to kill via phorkwarz' to 'embrace & extinguish'. |
01:50 |
vex |
you're probably right. it's worth noting fedelity can change bc to $ & back in house |
01:50 |
asciilifeform |
well if you've a bag of both, can 'chance to and back' in house, noshit |
01:50 |
asciilifeform |
*change |
01:51 |
* |
asciilifeform not convinced that any saecular mega-org actually possesses -- and makes use of -- a bag of actual coin (rather than promisecoinz) |
01:51 |
vex |
it changes the game |
01:51 |
asciilifeform |
changes what, exactly ? |
01:51 |
mats |
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjbz7m/breakway-us-republic-builds-ties-to-regional-extremist-movements |
01:51 |
asciilifeform |
if they want to disburse usd somewhere, still end up going through reich organs and kowtowing to 'aml', 'kyc', etc |
01:54 |
vex |
just |
01:54 |
asciilifeform |
mats: sounds like replay of oregon thing ? |
01:54 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-01-12 ascii_butugychag: http://grist.org/article/7-kinds-of-government-subsidies-those-angry-ranchers-get-that-you-dont << lulzily linked from the fishwrap |
01:56 |
asciilifeform |
( these tend to end stereotypically -- reich hands out minor mandarinates to the pliant/literate participants (as in 'occupy') , malcolm-x the rest, arrest sympathizers, whole thing forgotten in 2-3 wks ) |
01:57 |
mats |
maybe, we'll see |
01:57 |
asciilifeform |
( recall 'republic of seattle' ? ) |
01:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-07-02 09:09:45 feedbot: http://mvdstandard.net/2020/07/seattle-dismantles-autonomous-zone-chazchop-invaded-by-police-catpuring-23-after-march-on-mayors-home/ << The Montevideo Standard -- Seattle Dismantles Autonomous Zone: CHAZ/CHOP Invaded By Police Catpuring 23 After March On Mayor's Home |
01:58 |
mats |
a hundred mosquitoes on the back of a dying sovereign and so on |
02:01 |
asciilifeform |
still waiting for 'uprising' that isn't run by the usual mix of provocateurs and semiliterate roomtemp-iq waco fodders |
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02:01 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-25 19:33:42 asciilifeform: is funny, how erry time they need to agitate for yr+, bus in over9000 morons of both hat colours into some shithole, and spend 1e8$ on provocateurs, to get 1-2 corpses |
02:02 |
asciilifeform |
not that it'd be immed. obv. or conspicuous to naked eye, if existed. |
02:03 |
asciilifeform |
(reich press will mention it 0 times, for so long as at all possible) |
02:03 |
mats |
the current ukrainian business is interesting |
02:03 |
asciilifeform |
loox so far like the same endless carousel since '14 |
02:04 |
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vex goes to look at '14 |
02:04 |
mats |
if usg doesn't yield, i wonder if ru will sack kiev and leave ukr a smoking crater |
02:04 |
asciilifeform |
that was, asciilifeform understands, the reich objective to start with |
02:04 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. 'create a vietnam' for ru |
02:04 |
mats |
dubious whether they'd want to occupy |
02:04 |
mats |
too dumb |
02:04 |
asciilifeform |
hence not bit bait |
02:05 |
asciilifeform |
only us lizards suffer this degree of down's |
02:06 |
asciilifeform |
traditional reich playbook where 'force'em to Commit Atrocities, then have International Komyoniti intervene' a la yugoslavia -- failed |
02:07 |
asciilifeform |
even then, trick only worked because compliant muppet (yeltsin) on ru throne at the time |
02:11 |
* |
asciilifeform will bbl. |
02:11 |
vex |
big bada boom on malaya airlines was a fuckup |
02:15 |
vex |
Imagine being the bloke who's shoulder that thing left |
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02:43 |
vex |
When I read the logs I alwyas find my own name and shame |
02:49 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDsBaoYOEwo |
02:51 |
* |
vex starts thinking about his skeleton. wants to jump out |
02:52 |
vex |
not possiburu |
03:01 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLO_CrZRmM |
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03:28 |
mats |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30186894 |
03:30 |
asciilifeform |
'In Second Largest DeFi Hack Ever, Blockchain Bridge Loses $320M Ether' << a++lol |
03:32 |
asciilifeform |
'“We noticed you were able to exploit the Solana VAA verification and mint tokens,” the message said. “We’d like to offer you a whitehat agreement, and present you a bug bounty of $10 million for exploit details, and returning the wETH you’ve minted.”' << lol, 'wouldntcha like some taxolade and maybe swat team visit in trade for the pinched goodies?' |
03:33 |
asciilifeform |
aand oblig note re the '$320M'. |
03:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 11:00:15 asciilifeform: i.e. the creator of whatever supposed-bug enables the 'ohnoez $xxx mil is gone' (and notice how always reported as an imaginary usd loss, RIAA-style!) |
03:35 |
asciilifeform |
'distributed phinance' is own punishment, like sniffing glue. |
03:36 |
* |
asciilifeform ftr still not convinced re any of these lolcases involving any party other than the orig. author of the 'buggy' dao-clone-of-the-day |
03:37 |
asciilifeform |
ultra-convenient method of harvesting chump moneys. |
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04:22 |
vex |
if asciilifeform sits down to lunch with buterin. I want to sell tickets |
04:24 |
asciilifeform |
famous scammerz are busy folx, vex. all that cocaine won't snort itself. |
04:25 |
vex |
i don't think buterin snorts cocaine, but I understand your position |
04:26 |
* |
asciilifeform off to horizontal position, will bbl. |
04:26 |
vex |
good idea. /me also expects horizonal soon |
04:28 |
vex |
why I don't live in snowy locales. never know when the horizontal hits |
04:35 |
* |
vex never tried coccaine. never been to america at all |
04:36 |
vex |
I do have an appreciation for eric claptons' song |
04:37 |
vex |
clocked mp @ early |
04:40 |
vex |
which I will regeil with a youtube link |
04:41 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYS732zyYfU it's a hard mistress i'm told |
04:49 |
vex |
huffcoiners who ever interfaced with uniswap got 400uni for every wallet hey ever used |
04:50 |
vex |
worth knowing |
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05:22 |
verisimilitude |
So, what do ye think of my latest article? |
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05:22 |
vex |
evryonethinksitgreat |
05:22 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077588 Plenty of relationships aren't worth having. |
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05:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 12:15:47 dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 17:30:55 asciilifeform: all anonymity does is to destroy the very possibility of human relations. |
05:23 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077611 Everyone here isn't touched in the head? |
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05:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 17:32:22 asciilifeform: observes that in not one instance did asciilifeform ever see a 'x programs competently, tho damaged person(tm)', dig in, and 'hm yes we could never do without x's $program' |
05:26 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077667 I see little wrong with this, so long as I write the rules. |
05:26 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 18:00:09 signpost: my view is that there's a type of human that actively seeks out "the rules", lives to enforce them upon self and others. |
05:27 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077700 All of these can be problems simultaneously, asciilifeform. |
05:27 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 18:15:13 asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform's cosmography re subj. |
05:29 |
verisimilitude |
RISC-V is a stupid cult of masturbating academics who think spending ten years on the description of a shitty toy instruction set is anything resembling a reasonable action; it's naught, but stupidity. |
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05:30 |
verisimilitude |
All of RISC is a cult. |
05:31 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=800_ZLYAqt8 |
05:33 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYdPMVZsRQ lol |
05:35 |
vex |
what time is it worm? |
05:43 |
scoopbot |
New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Intelligent Idiots |
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05:54 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: you don't, evidently. |
05:56 |
signpost |
but yes, these wish "you" did, on some level. |
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14:41 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077956 << i dun follow your syllogism, verisimilitude . 'some not worth having' ergo 'none are' ?? |
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14:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 00:22:51 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077588 Plenty of relationships aren't worth having. |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077964 << the academitards are only half of the orchestra, the 'useful idiots'; they aint the prime mover there. the latter -- ic vendors salivating at the chance to slip in various vendorlockisms and [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077720][sell '486'-level performance at |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
a 'ryzen' price] |
14:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 00:29:41 verisimilitude: RISC-V is a stupid cult of masturbating academics who think spending ten years on the description of a shitty toy instruction set is anything resembling a reasonable action; it's naught, but stupidity. |
14:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 13:40:07 asciilifeform: PeterL: for the most part, cosmetically. but lulzily offloads various functionality to unspecified liquishit which pseudo-'open' vendors are free to patent/withhold |
14:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 20:41:25 asciilifeform: i.e. you get effectively similar level of 'openism' if you buy an rk. the main diff is that the rk is ~50 $ while similar calibre riscv is ~1000$+ |
14:45 |
asciilifeform |
grr |
14:45 |
asciilifeform |
... and sell '486'-level performance at a 'ryzen' price. |
14:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 20:41:25 asciilifeform: i.e. you get effectively similar level of 'openism' if you buy an rk. the main diff is that the rk is ~50 $ while similar calibre riscv is ~1000$+ |
14:47 |
asciilifeform |
intel et al, asciilifeform suspects, also quite pleased with the nonsense breathing up all the oxygen which might otherwise support an actual alternative to the x86 crapolade. |
14:47 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 20:43:52 asciilifeform: vaguely suspects that the riscv thing is, for lack of a better term, a 'stopper' -- i.e. exists to occupy the market niche just enuff to prevent the appearance of the real thing. |
14:50 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077958 << we're all small change, afaik, next to the asylum-napoleon grade cases which populate opensoresdom. |
14:50 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 00:24:08 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077611 Everyone here isn't touched in the head? |
14:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077969 << see also. most of what's passed off as opensores is actually a product of elaborate psychopathology, not unlike the scribbles of schizos on bus station walls |
14:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 00:43:31 scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Intelligent Idiots |
14:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-17 19:35:30 asciilifeform: it's a terrifying egowound to the typical derpware author (esp. if addicted to 'feeling significant' -- 'how will i stay at the center of things if a proggy can be finished??!!' ) |
14:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 17:45:11 asciilifeform: signpost: the apparatus maintains a caste of parasites with chronic ennui, these spin in place agitproping, 'opensoresing', etc. on own steam, attempting to quench unquenchable thirst of 'feeling significant' |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
'behold and respect my railway bridge made of toothpicks'. |
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17:48 |
thimbronion |
proposal for no cap gains under $200 on "virtual currency" sales |
17:52 |
asciilifeform |
lol, apparently not typo, 200 $, not 200k, not 200 btc... |
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18:11 |
thimbronion |
Just legalizes what everyone is already doing |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: well, what redditus is doing at any rate |
18:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-10 13:33:43 asciilifeform: these can 'get away with it' for potentially infinite time, simply by remaining usd.paupers |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
if yer 200k rather than 200, they'll collect. |
18:19 |
thimbronion |
seems not all bad, anyway. |
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18:54 |
signpost |
there's definitely a small, vocal group of folks holding btc in congress. |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
can believe that some 'hold'. |
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19:10 |
signpost |
unfortunately the insider-trading fed-pump-and-dump folks outnumber, and likely overlap. |
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19:27 |
billymg |
is that $200 per year? or per day, per hour, per minute? |
19:28 |
billymg |
if it was 200/day wouldn't be that bad, could freely use on gas and groceries without ever paying a dime in tax |
19:32 |
billymg |
i expect to see more of this as time goes on and people's hodls stay buried |
19:32 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-01-19 17:24:22 billymg: "fine fine, you dun have to pay the tax, just give us the btc" |
19:39 |
signpost |
per transaction. |
19:39 |
signpost |
however there's such a thing as "structuring", which is illegal, and is defined as whatever the prosecutor likes. |
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19:40 |
signpost |
"structured transactions to stay beneath the limit" |
19:41 |
signpost |
isn't unique to this particular proposal. see also: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ |
19:42 |
billymg |
yeah, well aware of that one |
19:43 |
billymg |
but if just used for gas and groceries not sure how'd they'd make the case you were structuring to avoid. "what, i don't drive a semi truck, filling up costs less than $200" |
19:43 |
billymg |
how* they'd |
19:43 |
signpost |
just saying that "safe harbor" limits are in practice only useful if you're harmless. |
19:44 |
billymg |
right right, in reality there is no rule of law and they can hang you for whatevre |
19:49 |
scoopbot |
New article on Loper OS: The Three Reasons For Source Code Publication. |
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19:53 |
asciilifeform |
signpost et al : faux-'amnesties' to lure folx outta hiding are as old as the state. |
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21:19 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: how would you know it's not faux? |
21:19 |
asciilifeform |
how do you know when a brooklyn bridge sale is genuine, lol |
21:19 |
thimbronion |
not an answer but mkay |
21:21 |
thimbronion |
I think it is a stretch, like a huge stretch, to compare this to "let a thousand flowers bloom" from Mao or whatever |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: inviting btc users to give up the entire point of the thing, in exch. for some promisetronic 'legitimization', is an entirely expected move on the part of the reich imho. some folx always foolish, fearful, or conformist enuff to bite. |
21:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-15 12:03:03 asciilifeform: imho ~whole point of bothering with the extremely gnarly rube goldberg apparatus is to piss on the reich in various ways. |
21:24 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: how would you know if the legitimization were real? |
21:24 |
thimbronion |
or is it not possible for bitcoin to be legitimate? |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
a 'promise' from the reich today is worth tomorrow less than a fart in the wind. |
21:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-19 12:55:46 billymg: asciilifeform: this one? http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/ |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: depends what means 'bitcoin'. if this bitcoin -- then no, definitionally impossible. |
21:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable. |
21:26 |
thimbronion |
I mean in a world where still have to pay taxes. |
21:26 |
thimbronion |
That bitcoin. |
21:26 |
asciilifeform |
... ~other~ 'bitcoin's, i.e. say 1 where erry tx is ratted out to, and conditionally approved, by gestapo -- yes, can 'be legitimate' |
21:26 |
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asciilifeform wants 0 to do w/ any such 'bitcoin' |
21:27 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: reich tax is presently collected in (and levied on) reich scrip. |
21:28 |
thimbronion |
The whole point of bitcoin is you own it |
21:28 |
thimbronion |
You choose to pay tax or not. |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
that you own it, and that no one can necessarily demonstrate that you own it. |
21:29 |
thimbronion |
mhmm anonymity |
21:29 |
asciilifeform |
observe that it still largely worx w/out any anonymity as such |
21:30 |
asciilifeform |
( 'couldn't possibly', superficially, like the old quip re 'bee cannot fly per modern aerodynamics', but does, nevertheless ) |
21:31 |
thimbronion |
how is this different than redditus life? |
21:31 |
thimbronion |
no thanks |
21:31 |
asciilifeform |
which 'this' , thimbronion ? |
21:32 |
thimbronion |
know one knows you've got any, because you don't spend any, live like pauper, etc |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: well for 1 thing, there's >1 way to 'not live as pauper' |
21:33 |
asciilifeform |
for anuther, it aint required that 'no one knows'. as iirc thimbronion pointed out, on asciilifeform's www effectively 'brass band plays' and makes 0 seekrit of using bitcoin etc |
21:34 |
thimbronion |
Sure you can not live as a pauper by feeding off the fiat spigot |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, nobody needs to know precisely how tall is yer 'hodl', unless yer foolish enuff to expose all of it publicly |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
no one but the folx yer tx'ing with, have any biz knowing who yer tx'ing with |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
and so on |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
all of this still worx 100% same as did in '09. |
21:35 |
thimbronion |
The government will know you bought tide whether you use btc or not |
21:36 |
asciilifeform |
of course, given that you buy it w/ reichcard in a reich univermag |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
there aint a magick pill against snoops as a class. |
21:38 |
asciilifeform |
the life of a 'hodler' aint, incidentally, very different from that of captain kidd. yes, you can liquidate some treasure, but then the proceeds will be on your person, and someone ~could~ club you over the head & take it |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
how much liquidate, and how much to remain buried, is personal matter for capt.kidd. |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
observe however that at no point, not even at his hanging, does it make any kinda sense for him to 'show where it all is'. |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
even if 'promised' some sort of 'legitimization'. |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
promises from enemy are worth less than nothing. |
21:41 |
thimbronion |
So don't show where it all is. |
21:41 |
thimbronion |
You're aware of the boating accident meme yes? |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
understandably, not erryone wants to be capt.kidd. would be better of course to be the king, whose hodl is beyond reproach and no one may safely question 'legitimacy' of. |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: quite aware. |
21:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-16 22:10:16 asciilifeform: as for the coin, the correct algo to 'hodl' is exactly same today as was in '09. i.e. your hdd has what's indistinguishable from rng output. and as for the key, maybe you once had it, but now lost in boating accident. and forgot where boated. (and if you can't stick to the story, will have to carry cyanide.) |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, asciilifeform's pov on subj: by taking an 'amnesty', yer helping the otherwise quite sclerotic and feeble reich bureaucracy in ways which may later come to regret. |
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21:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-10 14:24:00 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-10#1072184 << great q. the correct response is individual matter (but generally some variant of this formula ) |
21:45 |
thimbronion |
Anyway, Mao isn't in charge yet, and we're not in the Killing Fields yet, and if we were, there are many more things they could execute me for than Bitcoin. |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: ever consider how much sheer effort takes to organize a killing field ? |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
scarcely any modern folx up for the work. |
21:46 |
thimbronion |
Indeed, which is why it's best to be in a country fully of lazy people |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
see also thrd. |
21:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-18 16:24:27 asciilifeform: is rather about whether to unnecessarily make work of seekritpolice over9000x easier. which, when easily avoided, avoid. |
21:47 |
thimbronion |
Don't want to find yourself in a Germany or Japan |
21:47 |
asciilifeform |
be the gnarly, fungal blade of wheat, not the tall and shiny 1 screaming for harvester. |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
this dun have to reduce to straw man of 'become redditus' |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
in fact is no different from the advice given for 100+yrs to folx e.g. spying for foreign crown and paid in suitcases of moolah |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
don't buy ferrari if yer nominally a train conductor. |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
(or if you do -- dun be surprised) |
21:50 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-25#1076392 << see |
21:50 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-25 18:22:57 thimbronion: if you are driving a nice car, better be paying a fuckload of taxes |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
aaha. |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
and if you ~must~ ferrari -- 1st save up the pennies for a new passport. ~then~ ferrari. |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
wb pete_rizzo_ |
21:52 |
pete_rizzo_ |
i come in and out. i'm still just so bad at IRC |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
pete_rizzo_: log's right there. |
21:55 |
pete_rizzo_ |
asciilifeform do you know where i can find the binaries for this? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html |
21:55 |
pete_rizzo_ |
or does someone host those somewhere? |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
pete_rizzo_: there are no binds published. quite deliberately. |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
pete_rizzo_: user is expected to build it. |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
*bins |
21:58 |
pete_rizzo_ |
ah, i see |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
pete_rizzo_: if you can stay tuned, e.g. shinohai will likely help you build. if he's absent -- asciilifeform , tho the latter quite busy these days |
22:00 |
pete_rizzo_ |
yeah, that would be great. i am still interested in testing a few hypothesis about how the client works and interfaces with the bitcoin network at large |
22:00 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
22:00 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
22:00 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=721700 |
22:00 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
22:00 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 |
22:00 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 |
22:00 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.097s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
22:00 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 |
22:00 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.151s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=721700 (Operator: whaack) |
22:00 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.261s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 |
22:00 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.289s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721160 |
22:00 |
watchglass |
82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.314s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 |
22:00 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.602s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 |
22:00 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.472s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721700 |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
^ does work. |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
pete_rizzo_: see e.g. cgra's www for exploration of known bugs. |
22:01 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
22:01 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
22:02 |
pete_rizzo_ |
hm yeah. not sure I can make much sense out of that as I can only really articulate my higher level questions |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
pete_rizzo_: post'em here, they'll get answered. |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
then read answrs in log at yer leisure. |
22:05 |
billymg |
pete_rizzo_: re: trb build, iirc you were on a mac? did you ever find a proper linux box? |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
^ linux atm the only officially supported os. |
22:05 |
pete_rizzo_ |
nah. i was attempting to get a more tech-saavy friend to lend a hand. I don't really have any programming experience |
22:06 |
pete_rizzo_ |
i'm a serf person |
22:07 |
billymg |
pete_rizzo_: i'll be publishing a guide soon with step-by-step instructions for the complete setup, including a gentoo os that you can also install e.g. firefox on and use as a daily driver |
22:07 |
pete_rizzo_ |
maybe warmer |
22:08 |
billymg |
pending that, the fastest/easiest is to follow asciilifeform's dulap guide and put a trb on that |
22:08 |
billymg |
though dulap isn't really the type of gentoo you're gonna be putting firefox on |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform's trb noades in fact constructed precisely this way |
22:09 |
billymg |
if you follow asciilifeform's guide and build a dulap, you can then follow the trb guide verbatim |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
recipe in fact worx on most heathen linuxes tho |
22:11 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: not on newer ones with glibc > 2.28 |
22:11 |
bitbot |
(therealbitcoin) 2020-07-08 jurov: For the record, I should mention that rotor needs glibc <2.28 on build system because it moved some include files which break the bootstraping of m4. |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
interesting |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
worth noting in the instructions, when asciilifeform gets around to rebaking tbf www. |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
the Final Solution as i understand will necessarily involve signpost's system. |
22:12 |
billymg |
yeah, looking forward to true republican os |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
or even simply a perma-stable gentoo. |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
dulap-gentoo is only an approximation of subj. |
22:15 |
billymg |
dunno how tf there are over9000 linux enthusiasts using e.g. alpine, void, and other boutique distros yet no one willing to work on one without any systemdisms |
22:16 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: there are a few attempts, none afaik 100% clean |
22:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-05-17 09:29:27 asciilifeform: did try a purportedly systemd-free 'modern' linux -- 'artix'. needed to serve a commercial client who traditionally used 'arch'. |
22:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-05-17 09:30:33 asciilifeform: 'artix' indeed is systemd-free. but many of the packages (e.g. 'cups') do not work; and device hotplugging is mysteriously broken (mass storage -- worx; usb-to-serial -- not; and this despite a known-good kernel. it's whatever the thing has instead of udev that's a dud) |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
notably, all (incl. above, and the current Official 'systemd-free' gentoo for that matter) infected with 'logind'. |
22:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-29 15:00:47 asciilifeform: ( do NOT permit systemd-logind, it is a supposedly-neutered but in fact complete copy of systemd , that the traitorous gentoo maintainers force-install on explicitly 'non-systemd' setup) |
22:19 |
billymg |
yeah, i meant a distro that adhered to asciilifeform's crapolade banlist |
22:19 |
asciilifeform |
afaik currently this consists strictly of dulap-gentoo. (and soon, signpost's thing, tho afaik the latter aint a gentoo, i.e. throws out 'portage' and req's hand-cranked builds of all 3rdparty proggies) |
22:22 |
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asciilifeform must bbl. |
22:22 |
billymg |
pete_rizzo_: you'll learn a lot just by diving in and building one, even if you don't understand fully what it is you're doing every step of the way |
22:23 |
billymg |
i was in the same boat back in '18, have slowly learned a lot over the last few years, still consider myself a noob but at least no longer helpless |
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23:02 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: thing grew a simple dependency mechanism as of a few days ago, so not so hand cranked. |
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23:03 |
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signpost is incorporating the things he most liked from gentoo as needed, when the need arises, rather than pulling in everything. |
23:04 |
signpost |
but yes, no systemd, no logind, no any of the systemd-by-another-name-if-you-squint |
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23:05 |
signpost |
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9aBl << current wip pbuild for gcc, which displays some of the features (i.e. deps, use flags) |
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23:06 |
signpost |
my concept of deps is build-level, since everything built is statically linked, so there's not in principle much reason to worry about install-deps. |
23:07 |
signpost |
if you want just an emacs, or a variant gcc, etc., in some dir, you should have that with no questions asked, and nothing hauled in you didn't request. |
23:08 |
signpost |
e.g. USE=shared /src/pbuild install gcc -d /opt/gcc-musl-mips -j16 |
23:09 |
signpost |
"run the gcc pbuild, install to /opt/gcc-musl-mips, build with 16 processes, enable 'shared' use flag (not pictured in ebuild, but can imagine adding it with default off)" |
23:12 |
signpost |
soon as I get this dependency thing cleaned up a bit, I'll probably start writing up a poast, and cut a first release. |
23:13 |
signpost |
after that, gotta grunt the whole cuntoo installer into it, which is perhaps a few wks hacking. |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078143 << very nifty, looking fwd to tasting |
23:26 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 18:03:01 signpost: asciilifeform: thing grew a simple dependency mechanism as of a few days ago, so not so hand cranked. |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
in rather unrelated lulz, asciilifeform 'lived in cave' and never knew impact driver tool existed. finally bought and 'wtf where has this been all of life' |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078146 << hmm does the ada flag in fact produce a working gnat ? |
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23:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 18:06:03 signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9aBl << current wip pbuild for gcc, which displays some of the features (i.e. deps, use flags) |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078145 << is there xorg tho ? |
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23:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 18:04:17 signpost: but yes, no systemd, no logind, no any of the systemd-by-another-name-if-you-squint |
23:38 |
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asciilifeform had to go through a # of contortions to build xorg recently on dulap-gentoo |