| 00:53 |
thimbronion |
Attempting to press blatta with a new patch and seeing this: There was an error while pressing: raised VPATCH.STATE : from hash doesn't match Result in blatta might be in an invalid state! |
| 00:53 |
thimbronion |
Anyone know what exactly is wrong? |
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| 02:55 |
thimbronion |
nm fixed it by pressing the previous patch and creating the vdiff against that. |
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| 03:41 |
scoopbot |
New article on Thimbron: Blatta 9982 has been putted |
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~ 12 hours 28 minutes ~ |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-23#1080394 << nifty, thimbronion ! will try to get a chance to test in coming wk |
| 16:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-23 22:41:08 scoopbot: New article on Thimbron: Blatta 9982 has been putted |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
... cement testbed at 443k+ |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
| 16:10 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $36218.36 |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
cheapcoinzagain!111 |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.051s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.095s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=724763 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.144s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.204s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.027s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=724763 (Operator: whaack) |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.257s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.326s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.376s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724124 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.586s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=724763 |
| 16:10 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.536s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724763 |
| 16:11 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
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| 16:57 |
thimbronion |
Looking forward to a bridge bot so I can shutdown my bouncer. |
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| 17:51 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-18#1073661 << looks like yep, we're poorer, and checkmark next to "provincial wars" |
| 17:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-18 00:16:44 signpost: mats: honestly I think we get poorer and bitch loudly, and other than provincial wars in places like ukraine, not much happens. |
| 17:52 |
mats |
the great game continues |
| 17:53 |
signpost |
wild to watch one of these unfold when everyone has a camera in their pocket. |
| 17:53 |
mats |
the bloomberg app front page reads, ‘Cryptocurrency is a potential new tool for billionaires to avoid sanctions’ |
| 17:53 |
mats |
very newsworthy news |
| 17:54 |
signpost |
knew that was coming. war abroad means everyone gets a few free "clamp down on your citizens" cards. |
| 17:54 |
* |
asciilifeform waits for 1st noose of halfwit 'rockefeller' whose goxcoinz confiscated |
| 17:55 |
signpost |
hilariously, s&p green on the day atm. |
| 17:57 |
mats |
war could b briefly good for stonks, means lots o production in a short time |
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| 17:57 |
signpost |
I mean, literally any narrative, it appears. qqq has an even bigger lol atm. |
| 17:57 |
asciilifeform |
qqq? |
| 17:57 |
signpost |
nasdaq-100 etf |
| 17:58 |
signpost |
mats: peloton gonna pivot to war bikes, that move! |
| 17:59 |
asciilifeform |
'pivot' to white flags, lol |
| 17:59 |
asciilifeform |
hear there's lotsa demand for these. |
| 17:59 |
signpost |
ah they're not in the 100 anymore. this is their chance. |
| 17:59 |
mats |
pton is a good business |
| 18:00 |
mats |
worth owning at the current share price |
| 18:00 |
asciilifeform |
mats: iirc that was the co that sold exercise machines which suddenly bricked if not 'subscribed' monthly ? |
| 18:00 |
mats |
I think it’s just gimped and you can still ‘ride’ on it |
| 18:01 |
mats |
but yeah, hilarious rentabike |
| 18:01 |
asciilifeform |
still lulzy tesla-style 'you'll own nuffin and be happy'(tm)(r)(c) scamola |
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| 18:01 |
signpost |
anyway, maybe we never get tested, miracle of geography, and we get to keep calling ourselves geniuses for innovations in scam. |
| 18:02 |
mats |
until the Asian pogroms begin in North America |
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| 18:02 |
signpost |
alright now mats is talking sense. |
| 18:02 |
mats |
when libs talk about their moral superiority I remind them about Gotham and stop and frisk |
| 18:03 |
mats |
just elected a black man who reinstated it, in one of the most democratic cities in usa |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
mats: hey afaik in nyc they still have not only 'ausweis, bitte' but xray vans to search parked autos. since mid-2010s. |
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| 18:05 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-06-22 asciilifeform: incidentally nyc is where they have the xray backscatter vans, recall. |
| 18:06 |
mats |
that’s pretty cool |
| 18:06 |
asciilifeform |
y'know, just in case some 'white supremacist' might be hiding pistol in there to defend against beloved dnc 'slum bunnies' |
| 18:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080442 << old hat in usa -- e.g. the rodney king riot, baltimore's massacre of paki shopkeepers, etc |
| 18:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 13:01:56 mats: until the Asian pogroms begin in North America |
| 18:12 |
asciilifeform |
~0 prosecutions of slum monkeys for so long as the latter stick to the script and take out mostly ea. other + an occasional morsel of designated sacrificial meat (those same shopkeepers) |
| 18:12 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2019-12-02 02:26:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: disappointing, but unsurprising. in usa also riots ~always like that -- the designated 'kindling' (i.e. slums) burn, and (almost...) never the skyscrapers. |
| 18:13 |
asciilifeform |
similarly, idjit office plankton creaming pants watching the ca truckers ( and even shopkeepers who served'em coffee ) rounded up |
| 18:14 |
signpost |
it gives them something to be in the hierarchy of oppression. |
| 18:15 |
asciilifeform |
reich spends a fortune recruiting designated punching bag 'rebels' for a reason. |
| 18:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 21:02:07 asciilifeform: still waiting for 'uprising' that isn't run by the usual mix of provocateurs and semiliterate roomtemp-iq waco fodders |
| 18:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080427 << afaik 'stonks' naodays ~100% made of and correlated w/ printolade production, rather than of anyffin else whatsoever |
| 18:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 12:56:47 mats: war could b briefly good for stonks, means lots o production in a short time |
| 18:21 |
asciilifeform |
2nd-order amplifier -- if rumour that printolade gravy train might be late or thin in given interval, panic sells, margin calls, etc. if opposite -- bubble reinflation. rinse, repeat. |
| 18:21 |
asciilifeform |
at no point does physical reality intrude. |
| 18:22 |
signpost |
I don't know how anyone who backs the chart out to years scale says otherwise. |
| 18:23 |
* |
signpost will happily eat BTC from those panicking. let's see <10k/coin please. |
| 18:23 |
* |
asciilifeform wouldn't complain at some delish <$1k coinz |
| 18:24 |
asciilifeform |
'if wishes were horses'(tm) |
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| 18:43 |
thimbronion |
Meh. Would prefer to keep working on blatta rather than "health insurance website" |
| 18:45 |
* |
asciilifeform recognizes that diff folx will have diff pov re subj based on, largely, height of $hodl |
| 18:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-21 13:27:32 asciilifeform: right, yer choice of constants will depend on where you stand re hodl |
| 18:46 |
signpost |
I'm measuring in BTC, so lower is fine. |
| 18:47 |
* |
signpost is the demented type with ideological motivations |
| 18:47 |
signpost |
been poor before, can again. |
| 18:47 |
thimbronion |
Hey, everyone can win if it goes up, too. |
| 18:48 |
signpost |
by ideological, I mean that I expect it to outlast the soviet ruble^W^W^WUSD. |
| 18:48 |
thimbronion |
Already has |
| 18:54 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: do you rec a vintage gig nic? |
| 18:54 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: rtl8168 |
| 18:55 |
signpost |
ty |
| 18:55 |
asciilifeform |
( widely hated on acct of many yrs of subtle bugginess in linux kernel driver, but afaik the only 1 w/ leaked full datashit to date ) |
| 19:08 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: what is the purpose of the address field in PROD messages? |
| 19:09 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: nat drilling. |
| 19:12 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: ah ok makes sense now. |
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| 19:47 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: do you see there being some sort of "prod interval" per peer, where no additional prods will be sent to a specific peer within a certain period of time? |
| 19:48 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: imho oughta be a knob |
| 19:48 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: ack |
| 19:50 |
asciilifeform |
some constants are fated to be plucked 'outta arse' then adjusted empirically. thimbronion got it 100% right w/ e.g. the keepalive interval for nat ephemerals, say. |
| 19:58 |
verisimilitude |
I learned something neat. |
| 19:59 |
thimbronion |
Interesting anecdote, perhaps. Recently I began placing bitcoin propaganda in one of those "library boxes" that they have in various neighborhoods. Never lasts a day. Once snapped up within an hour. What is actually being done with the books, who knows. |
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| 19:59 |
verisimilitude |
I'd the following value for erc-autojoin-channels-alist, but it didn't work: (("205.134.172.3" "#asciilifeform")) |
| 19:59 |
verisimilitude |
I checked erc-announced-server-name and added a case for "irc.dulap.xyz", which worked. |
| 20:00 |
verisimilitude |
Would anyone care for a joke? |
| 20:07 |
signpost |
$ticker btc usd |
| 20:07 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $38962.15 |
| 20:07 |
signpost |
damn it; putin's buying! |
| 20:08 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: sure why not. |
| 20:10 |
verisimilitude |
https://wiki.triplescripts.org/wiki/The_why_and_how_of_triple_scripts |
| 20:10 |
verisimilitude |
``Whether or not you're dealing with a language that is traditionally compiled, whether you're developing something written in Python or Ruby or Go or Java or C or C++ or Common Lisp or anything else that relies on a contemporary development toolchain, you'll need to make sure those tools are installed and set up. In practice, this setup can pose a slight problem.'' |
| 20:10 |
verisimilitude |
``Suppose you were to write a program that does the same kind of work that conventional toolchains do, but you managed to implement and distribute it as a program that can run entirely in a web browser—entirely in the browser (without delegating to a server somewhere)—you will have created something that is almost certainly less hassle to get up and running than the setup associated with any of the conventional toolchains thems |
| 20:15 |
signpost |
at every level there are creatures that believe in their bones that if they cower convincingly in the yet smaller box they've been given, it will be the last encroachment, or if not, maybe next time. |
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| 20:16 |
signpost |
these are not human beings. |
| 20:18 |
verisimilitude |
Does this relate to the programming, or Ukraine? |
| 20:19 |
signpost |
yes |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 20:40 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080487 << what kinda propaganda ? |
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| 20:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 14:58:54 thimbronion: Interesting anecdote, perhaps. Recently I began placing bitcoin propaganda in one of those "library boxes" that they have in various neighborhoods. Never lasts a day. Once snapped up within an hour. What is actually being done with the books, who knows. |
| 20:49 |
verisimilitude |
I've been waiting to continue our conversation, jonsykkel. |
| 20:58 |
signpost |
rt.com looks to be under ddos, lol |
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| 21:00 |
mats |
might b a good time to buy some tech stonks now that the rotation into value is mostly complete |
| 21:04 |
signpost |
mats: May '08 also a good time to buy? |
| 21:05 |
signpost |
maybe Oct '00? |
| 21:08 |
* |
signpost is old enough to remember the hopium from each of these, then a year longer of carnage. |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080506 << unsurprise |
| 21:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 15:57:50 signpost: rt.com looks to be under ddos, lol |
| 21:24 |
shinohai |
"We'll take down their news website, that'll teach 'em!" |
| 21:25 |
shinohai |
thimbronion: look forward to reading/trying new blatta. will disconnect from older stations? |
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| 21:25 |
verisimilitude |
The monument to convention grows by the day: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/885941/01fdc39df2ecc25f/ |
| 21:25 |
verisimilitude |
``But, if all goes well, the shift to C11 will happen in the next kernel release. Converting all of the users of list_for_each_entry() and variants (of which there are well over 15,000 in the kernel) to a new version that doesn't expose the internal iterator seems likely to take a little longer, though.'' |
| 21:26 |
verisimilitude |
Oh, if only we could, say, have the computer compute these changes for us. |
| 21:26 |
* |
asciilifeform warned loong ago that the days of lin. kernel being buildable on sane gcc are numbered |
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| 21:27 |
verisimilitude |
What's insane about the newer GCC versions again? |
| 21:27 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: see logs. |
| 21:27 |
* |
signpost has a kernel preserved in amber that builds on 4.9.4 |
| 21:28 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: see e.g. |
| 21:28 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-06-02 asciilifeform: on top of this, gcc5 happily removes , e.g., memset |
| 21:28 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2019-01-19 asciilifeform: the gcc5+ gnomes, occupy selves with cranking out 'mandatory' kludges for intelism; removing backend support for vintage, marginally-sane archs (alpha, hitachi, etc); gluing-with-broken-glass various incompatibilities to prevent coad developed under 5+ from building under 4.x; inserting 'optimizations' that snake around naive cprogrammer attempts at bounds-constraint; and so forth. |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
not to mention various additional boobytraps against static linking |
| 21:30 |
verisimilitude |
I don't see how the snaking around is bad. |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: do you understand how 'redundant' memset is used ? |
| 21:30 |
verisimilitude |
I referred to ``inserting 'optimizations' that snake around naive cprogrammer attempts at bounds-constraint''. |
| 21:31 |
verisimilitude |
I see so many C language programmers boast about their magic spells, but then they cry when they didn't actually know what they were doing. |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: gcc5 will arbitrarily decide that bounds checks against exploitable overflow, memset to wipe secrets from process memory, etc. 'redundant' and silently remove. |
| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
all of this not least bit 'accidental', but from nsa marching orders given to the muppets. |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
there's an identifiable transition point in all of these opensores monstrosities where went from simply shoddy to actively wrecker-engineered. for gcc, that point was v. 5. |
| 21:34 |
verisimilitude |
Alright. |
| 21:35 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: resist the urge to convince yourself you're very smart for memorizing solutions to increasingly elaborate submission games imposed upon you by your owners. before you know it, you'll be chanting BTFD like mats here. |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
btfd? |
| 21:36 |
signpost |
"buy the fucking dip" |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
a |
| 21:37 |
verisimilitude |
I already have, signpost. |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
whatever happrnd to the ancient wisdom of 'dun play any numbers game you haven't rigged yerself'. |
| 21:37 |
verisimilitude |
I'm aware of the memset issues, the ``no really, do the fucking memset'' version of memset, and others, but this is just from casual reading. |
| 21:38 |
verisimilitude |
I also enjoy mocking C language programmers, so this is from where most of the anti-knowledge came. |
| 21:39 |
verisimilitude |
This is also why I don't go to the same lengths as others here; I don't want to bother with a clean GNU/Linux, just a new system entirely; I'll aim for an ideal, or get nothing. |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: the telltale leper's bell of nsa-hijacked opensores is 'glued with broken glass', where deliberate booby such that you cannot easily remove the 'misfeature', cuz 'errything depends on it', and where impossible to write against old & new version compatibly, anyffin that works with the 'new' automagically chokes the old |
| 21:40 |
verisimilitude |
SystemD is exemplary. |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 21:41 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: no such thing as a clean linux; better to think of it as keeping the old pickup truck running. |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: the sad fact is that unless one takes efforts to preserve a working 2000s unixlike, soon enuff there won't be ~on what~ to even write 'ideal new system. you'll be sitting in front of an ipad or equiv |
| 21:42 |
verisimilitude |
I just use GuixSD, which broke, and another machine uses OpenBSD. |
| 21:43 |
verisimilitude |
I should purchase an ice40 and start playing with it already; I was thinking about an ideal system, and realized my thinking on it had grown a tad fuzzy. |
| 21:43 |
* |
asciilifeform found yrs ago that openbsd -- colonized by fungus and abandoned all attempts to salvage |
| 21:43 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-01-13 asciilifeform: i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely |
| 21:43 |
verisimilitude |
I have pieces of an ideal system, but the whole keeps walking further away. |
| 21:44 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: there's an unsexy, boring, but vital chore -- to keep the entire fucking concept of a computer from similarly 'walking away' |
| 21:44 |
verisimilitude |
Just build Emacs from source, then. |
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| 21:44 |
verisimilitude |
Sure, but what a horror, asciilifeform. |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: soon enuff you'll need to build compiler & deps also by hand from src |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
( 'on what' is also q that'll have to answer ) |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
the fungus doesn't sleep, doesn't give up, and doesn't intend to stop at some arbitrary point. |
| 21:46 |
verisimilitude |
Perhaps one could still move to ColorForth island. |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
while you can get irons which'll even boot sumthing not signed by microshit. |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
already can't buy a nic that'll run w/out MB+ of ??? gnarl state machine in ring0 |
| 21:47 |
verisimilitude |
I already have an old Thinkpad for that. |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: errybody tuned in has at least entire closet fulla vintage irons. |
| 21:47 |
verisimilitude |
Still, this is a sickening topic, really. |
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| 21:47 |
signpost |
verisimilitude's solipsism is by now a tired thread. |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
'while supplies last' |
| 21:47 |
verisimilitude |
Why would I be here if I were solipsistic? |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: i like to think curable |
| 21:47 |
signpost |
guy's wired like "mother brings the food, so what?" |
| 21:48 |
signpost |
sure, applying cure, right here. |
| 21:48 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: well moar like 'i have 500yrs of tinned fish in my bunker!' |
| 21:48 |
asciilifeform |
so maybe he does. |
| 21:48 |
verisimilitude |
I'm not he who's most crazed here, but far from it. |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: 'sickening topic' but imho dun have to induce prostration. |
| 21:49 |
signpost |
solipsism isn't a stand-in for "crazy" |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of possible action. as illustrated by asciilifeform et al. |
| 21:52 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080554 << this kind of offhand brings the conversation to a superficial level which I'd already addressed here |
| 21:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 16:44:20 verisimilitude: Just build Emacs from source, then. |
| 21:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 15:15:45 signpost: at every level there are creatures that believe in their bones that if they cower convincingly in the yet smaller box they've been given, it will be the last encroachment, or if not, maybe next time. |
| 21:52 |
signpost |
what's under discussion is not per-instance tactics on how one might get emacs to build on his toaster, but what puts him in the position of having only smart-toaster on which to run. |
| 21:52 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 21:53 |
verisimilitude |
I'd considered not sending the message, but I won't regret it. Regardless, that's fair enough. |
| 21:53 |
verisimilitude |
It's more interesting, to me, to discuss ``ancient Greek or Roman programs'' than this. |
| 21:53 |
signpost |
your pronouncements of disaffection fall flat. |
| 21:53 |
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asciilifeform has been reading the eichmann trial record, backbreaker which elaborately illustrates what happens to folx who 'we'll make a little concession, surely this'll be the last hole we'll be fucked in, they can't fuck us in erry hole with abitrarily sharp stick now can they?' |
| 21:56 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080564 << "sickening" to me to be born in a decaying empire that has given away the next hundred years in their belief, like yours, that they can declare themselves exempt from the parts of reality they choose. |
| 21:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 16:47:14 verisimilitude: Still, this is a sickening topic, really. |
| 21:57 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-08-23#1249399 << or, if you like. |
| 21:57 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-08-23 trinque: I demand for this to never have happened at once! |
| 21:57 |
asciilifeform |
subj, ftr. surprisingly hard to find on current-day net. |
| 21:57 |
signpost |
will queue up, ty |
| 21:58 |
asciilifeform |
possibly most famous illustration of how over9000 folx will 'this can't be happening because reasons' even in front of the firing squad. |
| 21:59 |
verisimilitude |
At which point did I claim exemption, signpost? |
| 21:59 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: the first map/territory error is that one exists. |
| 21:59 |
signpost |
as I think you said the other day. |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: existing, in the orig. sense of word, is bridge too far for quite a few. |
| 22:03 |
* |
asciilifeform must bbl |
| 22:07 |
mats |
https://cryptoslate.com/sec-plans-to-10x-the-definition-of-accredited-investor/ |
| 22:08 |
mats |
whoops, wrong chan |
| 22:08 |
mats |
anyway, chill out signpost, I’m not buying any shares, just musing aloud |
| 22:09 |
mats |
i’ve never held any nontrivial qty of shares in any corp ma entire life |
| 22:10 |
mats |
just like reading sec filings and balance sheets |
| 22:13 |
mats |
i don’t think the game is incomprehensibly rigged, the equities markets are distorted by brrr but i do think there’s corps with sound bizness models and fundamentals |
| 22:14 |
mats |
if not for interest in bitcorns i’d probably have stuff like brk pton and rh |
| 22:28 |
verisimilitude |
Oh how easily GameStop is forgotten. |
| 22:30 |
verisimilitude |
Here's a question, signpost: Wouldn't it be far easier to tame Minix than Linux, not that it seems to need taming anyway? |
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| 22:33 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080503 << this guy's book: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-04-02#1635846 |
| 22:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 15:41:07 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080487 << what kinda propaganda ? |
| 22:33 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-04-02 saifedean: good day, gentlemen |
| 22:46 |
verisimilitude |
Say, asciilifeform, while Pest's Direct Text provides a whitelist operation, there's not a corresponding blacklist mode. I'll make an example. |
| 22:47 |
verisimilitude |
Let's say I want to discuss a piece of media, and ``spoil'' something, and so I announce this first. |
| 22:47 |
verisimilitude |
One or two users don't want to read it. |
| 22:47 |
verisimilitude |
Sending a private message to everyone else would be a bother. |
| 22:48 |
verisimilitude |
The one or two users could disconnect and reconnect. There's no such Pest operation, however. |
| 22:48 |
verisimilitude |
A blacklist could be built out of Direct Text, but it may be worth considering a command for such things. |
| 22:48 |
verisimilitude |
The primary issue is the unbounded nature of a blacklist in comparison. |
| 22:49 |
verisimilitude |
One could imagine, say, ``Don't send my next message with hash checksum of ??? to the name payload of this message.'', as one solution. |
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| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080606 << naively would seem; but nope. |
| 22:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 17:30:31 verisimilitude: Here's a question, signpost: Wouldn't it be far easier to tame Minix than Linux, not that it seems to need taming anyway? |
| 22:55 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-08-09 asciilifeform: one notable attempt at 'fits in book but usable' was minix. a failed attempt. |
| 22:55 |
asciilifeform |
( and see also e.g. ) |
| 22:55 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-03-11 ascii_field: trinque: but before you can even have this line of thought, find a stock chipset to which you can even port 'minix' without -any- blobs or -any- detectable dysfunction |
| 22:56 |
verisimilitude |
So it's a driver issue? |
| 22:56 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: not only. (the 'driver issue' is that if one in fact adds in errything req'd to make tolerably current irons run, get ~at least~ same mass as current linux) |
| 22:57 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: rly is a cmachine issue. |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
minix ( or even better example, 'sysv for pc' ) is acorn of same shit-oak as erry other x86 cliquishit os. |
| 22:58 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-10-31 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312884 << yknow, if you want at&t sysv for pc, you can have! some nut ported... |
| 22:59 |
asciilifeform |
the 'smallness' gives deceptive appearance of being less objectionable. but when 1 of these taken up and expanded into adult system, along any path whatsoever, result inevitably resembles linux. |
| 22:59 |
asciilifeform |
for fundamental reasons. |
| 23:05 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080617 << absolutely nuffin stops you from direct msg to x,y,z,... for arbitrary set. |
| 23:05 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 17:49:19 verisimilitude: One could imagine, say, ``Don't send my next message with hash checksum of ??? to the name payload of this message.'', as one solution. |
| 23:05 |
verisimilitude |
So the sufficiency of Direct Text suffices then. |
| 23:06 |
verisimilitude |
A client could make it convenient with a special command, yes. |
| 23:06 |
asciilifeform |
nuffin stops you from baking whatever convenience scripts on top of yer pestron, also |
| 23:07 |
asciilifeform |
using irc backend, or directly |
| 23:07 |
asciilifeform |
irc clients sometimes come w/ a place to throw in scriptolade, likewise |
| 23:07 |
verisimilitude |
I'm simply trying to find some contribution I could make. |
| 23:08 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: iirc signpost pointed you at various lubyism articles. wainot derive a better algo, say. |
| 23:08 |
asciilifeform |
simply for instance. |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
or see if can come up w/ how to reduce # of various buffers req'd. |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
+ plenty of other open problems in log. |
| 23:09 |
verisimilitude |
I'll do that, regarding the buffers. |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
| 23:10 |
verisimilitude |
I've already thought of one reduction. |
| 23:10 |
verisimilitude |
So, we need a time buffer, for rejecting messages. |
| 23:10 |
verisimilitude |
However, the ordered list of messages will be maintained as a file, say. |
| 23:10 |
asciilifeform |
or even better, read spec entirely & write a commentary. |
| 23:10 |
verisimilitude |
A better operating system would make it easy to combine these. |
| 23:10 |
verisimilitude |
I've already read it. |
| 23:10 |
asciilifeform |
we aint got 'better os' tho, verisimilitude |
| 23:11 |
asciilifeform |
may be obv. but must remind. |
| 23:11 |
verisimilitude |
Still, if we'd a convenient way to reference the chain on-disk, we could store a single pointer instead. |
| 23:11 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: note, however. |
| 23:11 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-20 13:59:15 asciilifeform: if an arbitrary packet can force you to access disk, yer sunk |
| 23:11 |
verisimilitude |
I recalled the message, yes. |
| 23:12 |
verisimilitude |
I can rephrase it. |
| 23:12 |
verisimilitude |
Still, if we'd a convenient way to reference the chain in its permanant form, we could store a single pointer instead. |
| 23:12 |
asciilifeform |
they're already perma-indexable by hash |
| 23:13 |
asciilifeform |
going from hash to item in o(1) is a solved problem. |
| 23:13 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-24#1080514 << Still broadcasts to old stations, which don't check the version. As soon as 9982 sends 9983 a GETDATA packet, however, the 9983 station will crash. |
| 23:13 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-24 16:25:02 shinohai: thimbronion: look forward to reading/trying new blatta. will disconnect from older stations? |
| 23:13 |
verisimilitude |
It could be risky, but one could delay writing valid blocks to disk, until they time out. Really though, this memory-storage difference means it likely isn't worthwhile. |
| 23:13 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: (not looked at patch yet) but hopefully new ver. dun bomb when sees unknown cmd ? |
| 23:13 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: correct (hopefully - not tested in the field) |
| 23:13 |
asciilifeform |
a++ if so |
| 23:18 |
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asciilifeform must bbl |