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00:12 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> hanbot was teh witness << aha. i concurr it is a system, she was able to decipher it.
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01:00 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/23/the-fringe-edmonton-2017/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Fringe Edmonton 2017
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01:42 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702721 << pffnaw
01:42 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 03:03 asciilifeform: mod6..? ben_vulpes? mike_c ?
01:43 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: didja get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702491 ?
01:43 a111 Logged on 2017-08-23 03:20 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xwwuJ/?raw=true
01:44 mircea_popescu i thought i sent you an answer.
01:45 mircea_popescu hm. 1 sec.
01:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gKFli/?raw=true
01:49 ben_vulpes ty!
01:50 mircea_popescu nono, ty
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02:19 pete_dushenski https://i.redd.it/gtb7siwe0mhz.jpg
02:30 ben_vulpes wowee, somehow uber racked up 9kusd in losses on each subprime vehicle lease
02:30 mircea_popescu "somehow"
02:30 ben_vulpes ("in other altcoins...")
02:31 ben_vulpes "nobody could have predicted that the auto companies cannibalizing sales through financing and aggressive lease practices would blow depreciation rates sky high"
02:35 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: izzat ljr?
02:39 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes aha
02:44 ben_vulpes his hands are so teeeeny
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08:18 shinohai !!up runsegshet
08:18 deedbot runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes.
08:19 runsegshet Thanks for the +up
08:19 shinohai np
08:19 runsegshet Was hoping segshet never got activated, is now an altcoin?
08:19 runsegshet am I going to get robbed
08:27 shinohai It is simple enough to *not* use it at all.
08:29 runsegshet But it's still the real Bitcoin?
08:29 runsegshet no hard fork
08:29 diana_coman runsegshet getting robbed is a personal thing so nobody can answer that for you other than yourself; as to hoping and the more general case: ditch hope, take action;
08:42 runsegshet miners going to spend to themselves and steal segshit coins?
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08:42 runsegshet this is what I'm worried about
08:42 runsegshet I want to take action to safe keep my bitcoin, but dont know technicals to not be segwit tokens
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08:47 diana_coman runsegshet, so learn; run your own node keeping your bitcoin; start perhaps from http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
08:48 diana_coman !!up runsegshet
08:48 deedbot runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes.
08:48 diana_coman !!key runsegshet
08:48 deedbot Not registered.
08:48 diana_coman even better: start by registering a key in any case
08:49 diana_coman runsegshet, ^
08:58 diana_coman runsegshet, moreover, I suppose as an easy/quick solution you could even simply transfer your bitcoin into ECu in Eulora - I guess it is the lowest effort option to keep and even use btc at this moment; e.g. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Ecu
09:00 runsegshet I'd be trading digital gold for what appears to be electronic copper in a video game
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09:00 runsegshet ?
09:01 diana_coman how do you figure one is digital and the other one electronic? one is gold, the other one copper?
09:01 diana_coman but yes: you need to read and figure out whether it works for you or not, no escape there
09:02 runsegshet Thanks for the insight
09:02 diana_coman read the s.mg category on trilema re eulora
09:03 runsegshet dont want to sell for usdt or fiat or altshits like litecoin until this blows over
09:03 runsegshet I can't just send to paper wallets and be safe?
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09:03 runsegshet like the good old days
09:12 runsegshet Also is core hard forked from TRB? How would one be able to mine TRB instead?
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09:12 runsegshet thanks for all the insight
09:12 runsegshet sorry for not having much technical knowledge
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09:31 diana_coman !!up runsegshet
09:31 deedbot runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes.
09:33 diana_coman runsegshet, read and ask more specific questions if any; in other words: learn; there's no way anybody else will simply do the work *for* you - if they do it, it will be for them and so you can at most...hope; poor path that one, even if very crowded indeed; if you want to hold bitcoins, you need to figure out the "technical" details too, no other way around it
09:37 diana_coman and while you are still around: register a key here because otherwise nobody will spend more time with some random nick that can't be in any way assigned to any sort of "you" at all
09:38 diana_coman well, some might of course, but it's again a matter of...hoping they will, sort of thign
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10:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702759 << eventually this will necessarily happen, yes. "segwit" transactions are stored on the bitcoin network as "anyone can spend", so eventually miners will unroll the segwit chain. how soon is not easily predicted (which is why the idea is stupid/usg-like, introduces impredictability in the currency)
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10:23 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 12:42 runsegshet: miners going to spend to themselves and steal segshit coins?
10:24 mircea_popescu just don't accept "segwit" payments, and don't use their scamware, you'll be fine.
10:24 mircea_popescu !!up runsegshet
10:24 deedbot runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes.
10:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702761 << run trb. follow mod6 's instructions, it's a relatively painless half hour install on most any sane linux.
10:25 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 12:42 runsegshet: I want to take action to safe keep my bitcoin, but dont know technicals to not be segwit tokens
10:25 mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html <<
10:26 mircea_popescu mod6 so fucking epic you got that ready so we can just link noobs. good work man.
10:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 << the only advantage eulora has is the low friction, there's no cost to transfer ecu from one player to another. it costs about 5 bux to move btc on the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough, this matters.
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10:27 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 13:00 runsegshet: I'd be trading digital gold for what appears to be electronic copper in a video game
10:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702777 << yes, that'll work fine.
10:30 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 13:03 runsegshet: I can't just send to paper wallets and be safe?
10:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702779 << core hasn't yet hardforked from trb. their "segwit" thing is a "soft fork". basically they intend to make everyone's transactions be blockchain messages instead of actual transactions.
10:32 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 13:12 runsegshet: Also is core hard forked from TRB? How would one be able to mine TRB instead?
10:32 mircea_popescu ie right now, if i want to spend from 1address to 1youraddress i end up composing a transaction that gets mined (emplaced in a block). it's about 250 bytes worth of 1address signs transaction x where it got coin, and hash of 1youyraddress etc.
10:33 mircea_popescu their idea is to INSTEAD just store 16 bytes worth of that transaction's HASH.
10:33 mircea_popescu this works in the sense that whoever has the hash AND the transaction that was hashed can prove that indeed that transaction was hashed (it's how http://deedbot.org/ works to notarize documents for instance).
10:34 mircea_popescu nevertheless, hashes are by definition unreversable, and they no longer propagate transactions. so i wouldn't know your transaction from adams' or "your" pile of nonsense from another's.
10:35 mircea_popescu basically a very drastic reduction in quality of life, fit for a socialist empire. something on the level of "hey mr, you have this contract to have two cartons of milk delivered each mon, wed, fri and sun. how about we deliver JUST THE CARDBOARD, empty ? it will be 5% cheaper and you can have them every day instead!"
10:35 mircea_popescu typical soviet americana.
10:36 diana_coman no, no, just the image of the cardboard; now on your mobile/ipad too!
10:36 mircea_popescu lol right. they show it to you on THEIR facebook page, please follow them
10:37 * asciilifeform not wholly off subject, was looking into what using sram for main memory would cost. turns out -- surprise? -- approx same as what dram cost in mid-90s
10:38 mircea_popescu marches on.
10:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702786 << i entertain noobs/unknowns mostly because/when my answers to their questions are actually worth reading.
10:41 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 13:38 diana_coman: well, some might of course, but it's again a matter of...hoping they will, sort of thign
10:41 runsegshet thanks for the replies, will be interesting to see what happens next
10:41 asciilifeform ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. )
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10:42 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so fucking epic you got that ready so we can just link noobs. good work man. << thanks! no problem.
10:42 mircea_popescu there's a lot of "smart shit we don't bother to mention because everyone knows" sorta thing. this is also how/why the inept noobs that get silenced do : not worth talkingt to.
10:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would definitely buy some sram machines.
10:43 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702796 <- it's actually even download& run sort of thing and no online/keeping up to date requirement; one has to keep their key ofc, but that's about as low bar as it gets I think
10:43 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 14:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 << the only advantage eulora has is the low friction, there's no cost to transfer ecu from one player to another. it costs about 5 bux to move btc on the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough, this matters.
10:43 mircea_popescu take the item this line is written on -- it doesn't fucking need dram. in fact, it could be a 386.
10:43 mircea_popescu right diana_coman
10:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have a draft design for the sticks already.
10:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aren't you doing too many things at once ?
10:43 asciilifeform ( believe or not -- nobody makes sram simms/dimms )
10:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i ain't putting it into production yet. just sits there on hdd, lol.
10:45 mircea_popescu :p
10:46 asciilifeform i still can't quite figure out why sram costs what it does
10:46 mircea_popescu low runs prolly
10:46 asciilifeform gotta be
10:47 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm not sure what's easier, eulora install or trb install. they're very similar processes for some reason (har har)
10:57 mircea_popescu diana_coman yeah there's also no "catching up with the chain", one can turn eulora off for five years, turn it back on (maybe have to get a new client, till we freeze that down) and be ready to go. but then again the cost of having to check the blockchain isn't THAT terrible, we bring up back new nodes all the time.
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10:59 mircea_popescu !!up runsegshet
10:59 deedbot runsegshet voiced for 30 minutes.
10:59 runsegshet TRB how to isn't truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified to run a TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC to remain mine
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10:59 runsegshet thanks for up, and sorry for connect spam
10:59 mircea_popescu paper wallets will work.
10:59 mircea_popescu understand -- there is NO safe way to operate bitcoin in windows.
11:00 mircea_popescu windows is fundamentally unsecure-able.
11:01 mircea_popescu linux isn't much better, practically. but there's a difference in kind, you could in principle have a secure linux machine, even if most people don't bother to. whereas the secure windows machine is a myth, like the happy feminist.
11:03 runsegshet What about a mac? lol
11:03 mircea_popescu possibly, if you put linux on it.
11:04 * mircea_popescu has very little experience with macs. get phf or another ewxpert's opinion
11:05 runsegshet What about hardware wallets like Ledger nano? Are those secure enough to hold TRB safe?
11:05 mircea_popescu the one's we've seen weren't.
11:05 mircea_popescu !#s trezor
11:05 a111 173 results for "trezor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trezor
11:05 mircea_popescu i don't think anyone cut apart one such ledger nano, so dunno
11:06 mircea_popescu in principle a hardware wallet should be secure, because a sheet of paper (also a kind of hardware wallet) is.
11:06 mircea_popescu but in general, people make them shitty because they're inept and in a hurry.
11:10 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702832 <- aha; trouble is that people are scared of the "cost" and like any scare it is way bigger than the actual real thing; as previously mentioned I really don't see this "I can hold bitcoin without knowing /getting dirty with it" thing
11:10 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 14:57 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah there's also no "catching up with the chain", one can turn eulora off for five years, turn it back on (maybe have to get a new client, till we freeze that down) and be ready to go. but then again the cost of having to check the blockchain isn't THAT terrible, we bring up back new nodes all the time.
11:10 mircea_popescu !!up PeterL
11:10 deedbot PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
11:10 runsegshet Ledger uses a chrome extension for the wallet... which to me seems really sketchy
11:11 mircea_popescu doesn't sound too good.
11:12 PeterL So I was thinking about how asciilifeform suggested generating new random numbers until you hit a prime instead of incrementing a single random number to find the next prime, and my initial guess would that generating new numbers would take a lot longer
11:12 PeterL so I thought I would run a little experiment to check
11:12 PeterL http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kY6bd/?raw=true << turns out it is about the same amount of time
11:12 mircea_popescu aha.
11:13 mircea_popescu that's his point, if you have the rng it's much better quality secret primes for the same effort.
11:13 asciilifeform PeterL: the 'cryptography komyoonity' derps didn't do it 'because slow', but because entropy-poor machine
11:14 mircea_popescu "didn't not do it"
11:14 PeterL well, on entropy poor machine it would be slow, wouldn't it?
11:14 mircea_popescu PeterL trying to drive a concrete slab also slow.
11:14 mircea_popescu entropy poor machine is definitionally not supposed to rsa
11:19 asciilifeform upstack : hey mircea_popescu , is it time to add a 'we dun take shitcoins' warning to snsa shop page ?
11:19 mircea_popescu nah
11:19 mircea_popescu just ignore the segwitolade, let them figure it out.
11:19 mircea_popescu and let power rangers add the warnings, "our altcoin isn't universally accepted, always make sure and ask"
11:20 mircea_popescu people who write checks instead of paying cash don't automatically expect their mom note be accepted by merchants. why would these ?
11:20 asciilifeform might be time to automate the detection of this item tho
11:20 asciilifeform stock trb dun help much
11:20 asciilifeform ( gotta walk the tx upstream by hand and look for anyonecanspendolade )
11:21 mircea_popescu um. how would trb see the tx anyway ? it dun interpret segwit
11:21 asciilifeform recall, 'anyonecanspend', so it got spent, possibly a block or however many in the past
11:21 mircea_popescu yeah but if it meanwhile got anchored in a proper tx it's good.
11:21 mircea_popescu i'm not entirely sure how it would be, but anyway.
11:22 asciilifeform 'anyonecanspend' offers easy fracturing points for 'unwinders' tho
11:22 mircea_popescu you can't "unwind" upstream of a blockchain tx.
11:23 asciilifeform speaking here of the ordinary way ( orphaning the chain )
11:23 mircea_popescu let's model this.
11:23 asciilifeform aite
11:23 * asciilifeform tunes in
11:23 mircea_popescu at time t in tx 1 address 1a gets coin chunk.
11:24 mircea_popescu at time t1, via tx2, address 1a spends coin chunk on segwit chain. this appears to you and me as "1a sent coins to black hole"
11:24 mircea_popescu at time t2, SOMEHOW (im not even sure this is possible), someone in black hole sends coin chunk back to address 1b.
11:24 mircea_popescu tx3, through which this is done, is mined.
11:24 asciilifeform this is not accurate picture of shitness tho
11:24 mircea_popescu at time t3 you receive a payment from 1b, of that self-same coin chunk.
11:24 asciilifeform it ain't 'to black hole', it's an 'anyonecanspend'
11:25 asciilifeform ( the spendability condition is enforced by the miner cabal, promisetronically )
11:25 mircea_popescu now at this time t3, you judge the quality of the input as always : block delta between t2 and t3.
11:25 mircea_popescu if it's say 24 blocks, it's POSSIBLE someone undoes your tx, but not likely (needs 24 block lead to unroll the chain)
11:25 mircea_popescu and at 124 blocks, even less likely. and so on.
11:25 mircea_popescu make sense ?
11:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i deliberately didn't want to make any assumptions. "black box" if you prefer.
11:27 * mircea_popescu is not entirely convinced the ~implementation~ of segwit as executed by the power rangers will even work. because that's what they do, it woul;dn't be the first time. or the second. it'd be like the 5th time, which is how many soft forks they did.
11:27 asciilifeform there's a few interesting divergences from the protocol as commonly understood, in the actual clients ( esp prb ). for instance the capacity to backtrack orphan chains longer than a dozen or so is ~untested for eons
11:28 mircea_popescu in fact, the difference between power rangers and "ethereum developers" is entirely nil, which is why the "ethereum community" is flattering itself into relevancy : they compare themselves to the power rangers, and come to the conclusion that "similar kind, dispute to be resolved by headcount".
11:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
11:29 mircea_popescu anyway. goat finds it very easy to not think about the gun in the drawer in the house it's not allowed to go into. and so comes to conclusion man is ~goat.
11:29 mircea_popescu and that time man walked into goat herd, picked fattest kid, slit his throat and splashed everyone in blood was you know "never proven to have happened" hurr durr.
11:31 asciilifeform goat will go to the soup pot still thinking of man as simply a vertical goat, 'and if the cards had fallen differently, it'd be him under the knife' etc
11:31 mircea_popescu oya.
11:31 mircea_popescu this has been so amply proven by the crypto exercise as to compete with darwinism.
11:32 asciilifeform not much of a surprise tho, imho
11:32 mircea_popescu (of course, like darwinism, there's a large mass of religious "critics" of the notion)
11:32 mircea_popescu retrospectively notrly, no.
11:36 * asciilifeform revved up a bigbloxforq node a la pete_dushenski , 'i'ma cash in my shitcoin', discovers that various goxes (e.g. 'shapeshift') dun really wanna buy so much
11:36 asciilifeform e.g. you get eggog if you offer to sell more than a handful
11:36 mircea_popescu o.O
11:37 asciilifeform and that's just the gox where you can get said info in advance of actually sinking in any shitcoinz
11:37 asciilifeform i have nfi re others
11:37 asciilifeform ( i certainly have no interest in 'open an account...' crapola )
11:38 mircea_popescu why, they've no disposable emails where you live ?
11:39 asciilifeform last time i did this, it was moar sweat than worth ( they ban obvious lamermails )
11:40 mircea_popescu heh. kinda like how the usg maintains the pretense of "value" of the usd too huh
11:40 asciilifeform how else.
11:40 mircea_popescu "make it more sweat than worth to rape it".
11:40 mircea_popescu it's altcoins all the way down to fed vault!
11:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZckEb/?raw=true
11:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can-do, but gotta testfire 1st.
11:43 mircea_popescu aite.
11:46 mircea_popescu wtf is "krw" at that.
11:48 mircea_popescu nutty bullshit, https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/#markets is led (and mostly composed of) some unheard of "Exchange" trading bitcoin crash for "krw", and pretending like this exchange of items not worth money is worth dollars somehow. 104 mn of it, ROUNDLY like that.
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11:48 mircea_popescu so fucking totally not a case of "here's my website, i write numbers into it" you wouldn't believe.
11:49 mircea_popescu coinmarketcap site lists "bch/krw" pairs, but if you use its own god damned "search currencies" item, it doesn't know what krw even is.
11:50 mircea_popescu "hurr durr, let's pretend like usg-korea is a place and let's pretend it's gonna innovate and bla bla"
11:50 mircea_popescu pssssahw.
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12:15 mircea_popescu and in other lulz from the swamp : "The divided United States of America will unite today, sharing a cosmic event predicted by the methods and tools of science." apud Neil deGRasse TysonVerified account.
12:15 mircea_popescu you know, random fake media soap bubble fucking-loves-"leadership" in the pantsuit sense of teh term
12:16 lobbes All Praise Science (TM)
12:16 mircea_popescu (that's been the big pantsuit talking point, pushed for the past week or so by teh faux news orgs : that trump "fails to lead" and that therefore and thereby all sorts of others are "filling in the void". very much in the vein of alf's prediction)
12:16 asciilifeform solar eclipses, meritwashing mediocrities with lookup tables ever since aztec priests 'helped' quetzalcoatl spit back out the sun he swallowed
12:17 mircea_popescu aha! isn't it funny who's talking, and what they're talking about ?
12:17 asciilifeform which muppet was this
12:17 asciilifeform i can't recall him from before
12:17 mircea_popescu deGRasse TysonVerified account
12:17 mircea_popescu he's an obama-nigglet.
12:18 asciilifeform oh lol he's the current carlsagan .
12:18 mircea_popescu in the sense toyota is the current bmw, sure.
12:18 asciilifeform ( the office, as such, dates to clinton reign )
12:18 mircea_popescu you mean the pantsuit science czar ?
12:18 asciilifeform aha
12:18 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702926 <<< Likely a VERified exchange operated by Jihan Wu et all
12:18 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 15:48 mircea_popescu: nutty bullshit, https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/#markets is led (and mostly composed of) some unheard of "Exchange" trading bitcoin crash for "krw", and pretending like this exchange of items not worth money is worth dollars somehow. 104 mn of it, ROUNDLY like that.
12:18 asciilifeform 'science' in the 'stage magic for kidz' sense
12:18 mircea_popescu i think it dates to the Surgeon General Warning's Verifiedaccount.
12:19 mircea_popescu shinohai aha. that was teh subtext.
12:20 * mircea_popescu is totally going to stick to this format. maybe deGRasse account TysonVerified and so on.
12:20 mircea_popescu too much BingoBoingo -esque epic lulz to pass on.
12:24 shinohai "if BCH earns highest proof of work and highest market cap over time, it will become Bitcoin in my opinion. Same with Bitcoin Core. Same with Btc1." https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-August/000286.html
12:24 shinohai Erik Voorhees is such a tool
12:24 mircea_popescu myeah.
12:25 mircea_popescu he's a typical schmuck, a la jwz. wants a comfortable existence and really, all these complicated shits scare him shitless.
12:26 mircea_popescu see, asciilifeform, if one wants examples re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699949 then half the people present at c1 are the finest of examples!
12:26 a111 Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty.
12:26 mircea_popescu take voorhees! in 2013 he was great -- not entirely retarded kid, some business experience (earned in daddy's shop, but then again, so did trump). way better than 99% of all those involved.
12:27 mircea_popescu come 2017 ... he's barely qualified to shrem. not even on the fucking list, art all. what 99% ?
12:27 mircea_popescu take the xapo schmuck, what's his face, the argentine "entrepreneur".
12:27 mircea_popescu in 2013 he seemed credible. in 2017 we meanwhile found out what a fucking joke argentina is ; and this mutation exactly describes him, too.
12:28 shinohai Oh dear Lord ... the one that puts Post-It notes outside the "Bitcoin Embassy" or what the fuck ever
12:28 mircea_popescu take who the fuck will you take, thickasthieves ? way ahead of the pack back when the pack consisted of "neobee will save bitcoin from ???".
12:29 mircea_popescu and so it goes, the table stakes keep ratcheting up. "hey, i'm the coolest kid in my village!" is great for while we're still talking the village.
12:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sadly i wasn't alive for c1, missed out on the freakshow
12:30 mircea_popescu and the list keeps going and going. gavin or mike hearn were (their moral turpitude aside), ~technically~ qualified to participate back in 2012.
12:30 mircea_popescu back then the standard for technical qualification was "hey, let's put 10 bytes of txid in one point of the log and 14 in another. FUCK YOU!"
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we had conversations about quantum computers.
12:32 asciilifeform in those days, asciilifeform naively -- and silently -- imagined that as soon as btc began to be worth palpable moneys, the 'big kidz' quietly hired d00dz with long, long beards, to write ada node
12:32 asciilifeform ( 2012 or so )
12:32 mircea_popescu i thought ada was recent-er discovery.
12:32 asciilifeform 1st ada release was... 1982
12:32 asciilifeform iirc.
12:32 mircea_popescu i mean as far as you're concerned.
12:33 mircea_popescu actually i suppose the ur-example of "washed out of bitcoin" would be http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
12:33 asciilifeform mno, i knew about it as a boy. but had no clue that time would come to write it with own hands
12:33 mircea_popescu back in the days of mpoe-pr, he was the single "competitor" so to speak, ie, person at the same level. "deathandtaxes".
12:33 asciilifeform 'if not you, then who!' (tm)(r)(su)
12:33 mircea_popescu hehe
12:41 mircea_popescu "You may have heard someone say something like" fucking fucktard.
12:41 mircea_popescu "someone".
12:42 * mircea_popescu is now getting pissed off at conflicts long resolved through the beheading of the conflicterers. what a life.
12:43 mircea_popescu meanwhile irl, bitcoin tx costs 5 bux at the very most. wire costs 50 bux at a minimum, plus whatever bank tacks on to that.
12:44 mircea_popescu clearly the cheap alternative has to change!! god forbid people see the value of bitcoin to the point they're willing to pay more to use it than to use SWIFT!!! WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE BANKS!!!1
12:46 asciilifeform 50bux sharp here
12:46 asciilifeform ( interestingly, the price hasn't changed in ~decade )
12:47 mircea_popescu nor the average wire.
12:48 asciilifeform speaking of konsoomer wire strictly
12:48 mircea_popescu anyway. i'm rather looking forward to the 10k usd/btc doing 1 bitcent txfees and everyone from goldman sachs to goldman sachs salivating on the side.
12:48 asciilifeform ( i dun have an industrial )
12:49 mircea_popescu "HOW CAN SOMEONE CHARGE FOR FINANCIAL TRANSFERS AND NOT CUT US IN!!11"
12:49 mircea_popescu that'll be a joyous moment.
12:51 BingoBoingo ^ win
12:52 asciilifeform btw i suspect that even nao, the txfee is a small piece of the actual cost of moving btc
12:52 asciilifeform ( nodes, and hands with which to maintain'em, are 'only free if you already got'em' )
12:53 mircea_popescu quite.
12:53 mircea_popescu as our earlier friend well pointed out.
12:53 asciilifeform sorta how the cost of moving gold bars does not consist solely of the req'd joules to physically move'em through atmosphere
12:53 asciilifeform but also of cost of the cannons, cannoneers, shells...
12:54 asciilifeform barbed wire, dogs, ilsa the she-wolf, etc.
12:54 mircea_popescu aha. part of why the whole "bitcoin tx fee" argument was so thoroughly derrided.
12:54 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702835 << understand that the concept of 'mine' 100% depends on your ability to bolt 'yours' down, which may require you to expand your capacity to bolt! See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22it+works+if+you+work+it%22
12:54 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 14:59 runsegshet: TRB how to isn't truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified to run a TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC to remain mine
12:55 asciilifeform lobbes: folx are TO THIS DAY finding jars of au left behind by romans who thought that they 'owned it'
12:55 mircea_popescu they owned it quite well, if it's only re-owned now.
12:56 BingoBoingo Cocksuckers at WAPO turn to attacking a REAL American icon https://archive.is/TePbJ
12:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~equally often they find cigar box of au, weimar banknotes, etc drywalled in by ww2 j00z
12:56 asciilifeform also 'owned'.
12:56 mircea_popescu aha
12:59 asciilifeform oh hey i nearly missed http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata/#comment-122698 lulzthread somehow
13:00 mircea_popescu aha.
13:01 mircea_popescu "1MB doesn't can't even keep up with existing non-retail payment networks.
13:01 mircea_popescu Going back to that coffee meme, the implied message is that 1MB is fine unless for everything else. You know substantial stuff like paying your mortgage, business deals, major capital expenditures, or paying a supplier for inventory. This just isn't the case though. Do you know anyone who pays for coffee with a bank wire? The FedWire service (run by US federal reserve) processes ~150 million bank wires annually. "
13:01 mircea_popescu !~calc 1000000 / 255 * 6 * 24 * 365
13:01 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1000000 / 255 * 6 * 24 * 365 = 2.0611764705882353E8
13:01 mircea_popescu o noes, bitcoion can support 200mn anually! same as fed! hurr durr not ernough space!
13:02 mircea_popescu and no, "take the money freom these 3 accts and send to these 8 acfcounts" IS NOT ONE TRANSACTION. it's like 11.
13:03 mircea_popescu such pile of ancient lulz we're sitting on, srsly now./
13:04 asciilifeform !~calc 150e6 / (6*24*365)
13:04 jhvh1 asciilifeform: 150e6 / (6*24*365) = 2853.881278538813
13:13 mircea_popescu and, of course, "that coffee meme". not http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ but you know, "someone". because if the muppet herders don't mention mp to the muppets therefore mp won't be 1. muppet famous and 2. won't have the herders' ass.
13:13 mircea_popescu except 1 dun work in practice, let alone 2. but hey.
13:14 asciilifeform in other quasi-noose, here's a simple electric rng suitable for very low bit-rate application ( e.g. walletrons for sig nonce ) : small mercury tilt switch, gates clock signal to counter, and a flipflop. when the latter toggles, the counter value is forwarded to a register; every 2 shots end up vonneumanned and xor'd into the output reg.
13:14 asciilifeform you work the device by simply passing it from hand to hand.
13:14 mircea_popescu this is the mic'd hooker all over again
13:14 asciilifeform not quite
13:14 asciilifeform it isn't sensitive to noise
13:14 asciilifeform and uses no adc
13:14 asciilifeform ( all adc introduce artifacts. )
13:14 mircea_popescu but temperaturew and whatever
13:14 asciilifeform nope.
13:15 asciilifeform immaterial.
13:15 asciilifeform works at any temp where hg is liquid.
13:15 asciilifeform ( and with no other change )
13:15 mircea_popescu you want what, like a wen-ba ball basically ?
13:15 asciilifeform aha.
13:15 asciilifeform this approach actually extracts the very low bit rate of entropy available from the muscle of the meat.
13:15 mircea_popescu i guess not quite. stil, instrumented hooker.
13:16 asciilifeform can instrument dog, or rat, for all you like.
13:16 mircea_popescu the reason people don't fuck dog/rat is principally that woman cheaper.
13:16 asciilifeform btw you can make this right now by attaching 2 hg tilt switches to a fg , 1 on each end ( b/w the middle and the +v pins )
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13:17 asciilifeform gnd rather
13:17 asciilifeform middle and gnd.
13:18 asciilifeform the only thing this method has to recommend it, is that it is utterly insensitive to environmental conditions and to variations in components.
13:18 asciilifeform ( in this respect, it is slightly ahead of radiodecay even. )
13:19 mircea_popescu kv-1 rng
13:19 asciilifeform lol
13:20 asciilifeform 'Прощай КВ братишка наш!!!' (tm)(r)
13:21 asciilifeform ( oblig. variants, http://a-pesni.org/ww2/folk/gibeltankista.php . )
13:22 mircea_popescu !~translate ru to en Прощай КВ братишка наш!!
13:22 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Farewell HF our brother!
13:22 mircea_popescu hf ?!
13:22 asciilifeform lol!
13:22 asciilifeform i think it assumed 'shortwave'
13:22 mircea_popescu oh
13:22 asciilifeform короткие волны aha
13:23 mircea_popescu this is a pretty good companion for the eggog list.
13:23 asciilifeform hey if robotranslators worked, anglotards would be sorta like deaf folx, could get by
13:23 mircea_popescu hf our brother.
13:23 asciilifeform actually there's a whole subculture of '90s spectacular translator fails
13:24 mircea_popescu there's not so much difference between google "ai" as seen here ; and lookup table mixups as seen with the original eggog.
13:24 mircea_popescu in fact... NO DIFFERENCE.
13:24 asciilifeform e.g. film 'diehard' ended up translated by one 'genius' to title 'умри тяжело'
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13:24 asciilifeform i.e. 'die a difficult death'
13:25 mircea_popescu !~translate ru to en умри тяжело
13:25 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Die hard
13:25 mircea_popescu see ?
13:25 mircea_popescu better than "die hardly", which is what teh russian'd say :D
13:25 asciilifeform or, more famously, a character referring to 'general motors' ends up speaking of a Генерал Моторс
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13:25 mircea_popescu (ftr i maintain this isn't even a bad translation)
13:25 asciilifeform ( a great, presumably, prev. unknown military mind )
13:26 mircea_popescu works in english too!
13:26 mircea_popescu neither of these are bad translations imo.
13:26 mircea_popescu (we have this joke in household, "General X", all the various generals.)
13:27 mircea_popescu i'd say something like "not commonly seen in general practice" and eyes will sparkle, "oooo, General Practice!"
13:27 * asciilifeform pictures the generals Electric, Motors, Dynamics, and Relativity, around a table
13:27 mircea_popescu aha!@
13:28 ben_vulpes lol
13:34 asciilifeform http://www.periodictable.ru/080Hg/slides/Hg3.jpg << for n00bz: hg tilt switch.
13:35 asciilifeform ( there are various types, but all ~same idea )
13:36 asciilifeform the added noise immunity you get from the analogue business end ~not being a semiconductor~ is considerable.
13:37 asciilifeform ( hg can semiconduct but not under the conditions contemplated here )
13:38 asciilifeform http://www.chinaxurui.net/uploads-xr/1-m/2015-04/mercury-switch-pz-103.jpg << moar common modern-day tube.
13:39 asciilifeform phunphakt -- at one time usg considered these 'dual use item', on account of their popularity as carbomb trigger
13:40 asciilifeform and - while we're on subj -- the naive replacement, a ball-in-pipe tilt switch, is NOT suitable for rng -- contact bounce is patterned; and oxidized contacts -- semiconduct.
13:42 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
13:42 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4205.0, vol: 12217.27969382 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4206.9, vol: 21819.56422789 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4234.101, vol: 4993.05066671 | Volume-weighted last average: 4209.78504852
13:42 asciilifeform quite the goxlag
13:45 asciilifeform !~google mercury switch rng
13:45 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Mercury Tilt Switch and Reed Switch - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DEfV2jg1qeyY>; Mercury Switch | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/bhp/mercury-switch>; RNGList - Managing Mercury Switches Found in Vehicles...: <http://www.retailcrc.org/RegGuidance/_layouts/15/listform.aspx%3FPageType%3D4%26ListId%3D%257B585E0222%252D3213%252D4F35%252DBC4B%252DC0844CB75DEE%257D%26ID%3D658835%26ContentTypeID%3D (1 more message)
13:45 asciilifeform ^ apparently never happened yet.
13:45 * asciilifeform looked in detail.
13:50 asciilifeform meanwhile in monkeylandia, in charlottesville va : '...Police say the car was covered in dents prior and apparently hit by a bat'
13:51 asciilifeform ( subj being the pantsuit-crunchmobile of recent fame )
13:52 asciilifeform i'll add, though ianal, that va is -- at least on paper -- a 'castle' state
13:52 BingoBoingo "They encircled a passing motorist in his vehicle and attacked the 20 year old motorist, attempting to remove him from his car. This lead to the motorist's Dodge Challenger2 colliding with a collection of Antifa bodies in an apparent attempt to escape." >> http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/
13:52 asciilifeform which means if the driver had a kalash, he would have been theoretically in the clear, if he had used it, right through the window
13:52 BingoBoingo AHA
13:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik the discussion of the physical evidence, is noose
13:53 asciilifeform ( i expect it will soon evaporate, however )
13:54 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, the videos showed a "sea of baseball bats" (other's words) around car
13:54 asciilifeform 'kick the dog till it bites'
13:54 mircea_popescu guy's gonna walk.
13:54 BingoBoingo Leading to "and apparently hit by a bat" vs, assumed piece of shit outside during hail
13:55 * asciilifeform doubts
13:55 BingoBoingo Very clear he's not getting convicted for murder.
13:55 BingoBoingo Unless he signs papers himself or hired Josh Dratel
13:56 asciilifeform they'll nail him in a 'civil' 'wrongful death' or whatever nonsense. pantsuit gets infinite lawyering for $0; d00d -- prolly already penniless
13:56 mircea_popescu the whole "pantsuit worldview is supported by the courts" is borne out of review of pantsuit faux news sites ; not out of review of actual court cases.
13:56 mircea_popescu dude shot an uppity black kid recently FOR being uppity recently, walked.
13:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ain't that what the installation of 'magistrates' etc. freislers, is for
13:57 mircea_popescu buncha priviledged white sons raped the shit out of a random poor ho, walked.
13:57 mircea_popescu and so on.
13:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it doesn't extend to charlottessville. it's mostly a queens and brooklyn thing.
13:57 mircea_popescu understand, the us is big, the pantsuit few... it's not so easy.
13:57 asciilifeform will be interesting to see
13:57 asciilifeform iirc the last major 'walked' was in fl.
13:57 mircea_popescu to put it another way : pantsuit illegitimacy MEANS something. this is what it means.
13:58 mircea_popescu that when they get one over they'd better fucking advertise it well. because it's the one they get.
13:58 asciilifeform the lever they've been using since rodneyking(tm)(r) is 'he walks, we burn $100B of city'
13:58 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> iirc the last major 'walked' was in fl. << Baltimore cops walked on the "not buckling up crack dealer in van" murder charge
13:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform my guess that the guy will walk is based on the knowledge that the da's have been struiggling to NOT take the case. ie, someone will have to, but i dun wanna be it.
13:59 BingoBoingo US city doesn't have $100B to burn except in inflatolade
13:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interesting
13:59 mircea_popescu terrible case from their pov, the redditards consider it a prerequisite victory and the evidence dun support
13:59 asciilifeform i expect they will doctor the evidence, and witnesses, as needed
14:00 mircea_popescu so expect they.
14:00 asciilifeform or, failing that, 'accident' the d00d in his cell.
14:00 mircea_popescu the only problerm -- someone to actually do the work
14:00 mircea_popescu otherwise reddington post fulla idea "men" in diaper suits.
14:00 asciilifeform not so hard, to arrange a meeting with a sharp object, for prisoner
14:00 asciilifeform or 'wrong heart med', milosevic-style
14:01 mircea_popescu heh.
14:02 mircea_popescu here's the thing with the monkey herds : they can all agree that "x is to be done" until blue in the face. the problem is that a specific X will have to do it. and the word is out whoever does it gets fucked in the ass, as per that ancient von flondor discussion.
14:02 mircea_popescu so now the pantsuit agreements look like " it should be done -- but by someone else."
14:02 mircea_popescu major operational degrading.
14:02 asciilifeform to date they've always found a chump
14:05 mircea_popescu depends how you count.
14:05 mircea_popescu take the dnc. still looking for a chumpairman.
14:06 asciilifeform looks like they found one tho.
14:06 asciilifeform ( trump ! )
14:07 mircea_popescu anyway. compare to the 90s, arguably the pantsuit's only glory times. back then, das would have fought each other TO get this case. surefire governorship
14:07 mircea_popescu nowadays they deasl in surefire bharara-izations, not in surefire governships.
~ 48 minutes ~
14:55 mircea_popescu and in further tales from the orclands : place mp rented (furnished!) included something like a quarter ton worth of silver plate. because the woman likes it or something. among the vessels, this reasonably nice cup, with a lid. both the cup and the lid were chiseled into shape, but the lid had a forged pompom added on top, for ease of handling i guess or whatever.
14:56 mircea_popescu obviously the chiseled bit and the forged bit were apart when i got 'em, and today finally got around to fixing the item. which, you imagine by now, first requires cleaning the surfaces from all the previous "fixer"'s efforts.
14:57 mircea_popescu i removed, in this order : one layer caulk (no, really, it won't hold silver ?) ; one layer superglue ; and an unidentified oldest layer which i suspect might actuallty be flour-and-water.
14:57 mircea_popescu the myth of "you're a human being and therefore you can do anything human beings can do" strikes again.
15:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gonna resistance-weld it ?
15:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, borrowed some solder glue.
15:11 asciilifeform dafuq is solder glue
15:11 asciilifeform conductive epoxy ?
15:12 mircea_popescu there's a special eutectic formulation of silver.
15:12 asciilifeform that'd be normal highend solder, neh
15:13 mircea_popescu there;s also special brazing flux. but i had a can
15:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah. well i guess maybe the "easy" sort.
15:13 mircea_popescu hard solder glue is used with torch not soldering iron
15:14 asciilifeform 'glue' is misnomer then
15:14 asciilifeform it's a braze alloy
15:14 mircea_popescu well, there's glue and there's filler.
15:14 mircea_popescu filler is intended to fill cracks, ie, no resistence is expected of it. glue is supposed to actually join disparate parts.
15:18 mircea_popescu (before anyone tries the cutting weld torch on their wedding ring : the torch here discussed is a tiny thing, not-that._
15:20 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-05#911017 << obliglulz
15:20 a111 Logged on 2014-11-05 06:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.
15:26 asciilifeform incidentally there is a very spiffy tool ( that i dun currently have one of ) for such occasions, that runs on... distilled water and many many amps of dc
15:26 asciilifeform ( exercise for the reader, how )
15:26 asciilifeform 'water torch'
15:27 mircea_popescu there's also arc welders. pulse, 2-3 a sec, 2-3 amps or so
15:27 mircea_popescu basically your cap.
15:27 asciilifeform arc welder != resistance welder
15:28 asciilifeform you wouldn't want to arc weld decorative silvers
15:28 mircea_popescu yeah.
15:28 mircea_popescu honestly the tiny jeweler's torch is imo the solution.
15:29 mircea_popescu oxy/propane
15:30 asciilifeform 'water torch' uses h2/o2. ( actually predates all other welding mixtures. )
15:30 asciilifeform went largely out of style outside of jewelry and exotic metals work, because boom
15:30 mircea_popescu this thing, usually plugs into like a campging cooker for the gas.
15:31 asciilifeform http://archive.is/e38Qx << what asciilifeform has ( iirc there was a thread about this item, but can't seem to find )
15:32 asciilifeform ^ the one that took laughing gas as oxidizer
15:40 mircea_popescu radio shack eh ?
15:40 mircea_popescu anyway, much better to have it pluggable into commodity reservoir than get special.
15:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702511 << ahahaha nigga say wut!
15:41 a111 Logged on 2017-08-23 04:38 BingoBoingo: In the turrdorist department https://archive.is/MuV2n
15:41 mircea_popescu this IS the right internet. the pantsuit are more than welcome to build their alt-internetcoin.
15:41 mircea_popescu i predict it'll work just as well as all their other "no really it's the original" clones worked.
15:44 mircea_popescu hurr durr, "those other people are isolated because our internet consists of google amazon and facebook and we don't look outside herpa derpa"
15:46 mircea_popescu meanwhile under the tree, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e69be6ae48b41f91b5e6d48136ef66fc/tumblr_nyo7bmYuDI1uco4pdo1_1280.jpg
16:00 asciilifeform 'Cloudflare — a web services company known for never banning anything — dropped the Daily Stormer in a fit of pique' << lol!!
16:00 asciilifeform 'an upstart company — especially one that’s deliberately isolated and adversarial — would have trouble competing with providing the type of service that Cloudflare, or its similarly massive competitor like Akamai, can' lolx2
16:01 asciilifeform 'service', is it.
16:02 asciilifeform incidentally, whatever happened to the 'common carrier' thing
16:02 asciilifeform can assume, it is finally evaporated ?
16:03 asciilifeform ( i.e. twatter et al no longer have any defense re ~failing~ to censor Officially hated-of-the-day $item, at any future point )
16:04 asciilifeform ( http://www.cybertelecom.org/notes/common_carrier.htm << for aficionados )
16:06 asciilifeform so per asciilifeform's (nonexpert) understanding, crapflare is now liable for, e.g., continuing to serve isis etc
~ 31 minutes ~
16:38 mircea_popescu wait a second, cloudflare is a WEB SERVICES company now ? i thought it was a nsa tap services company.
~ 16 minutes ~
16:54 shinohai Because load balancing is hard.
16:55 mircea_popescu daily stormer just wanted to.
~ 2 hours 12 minutes ~
19:07 shinohai WE TOTALLY NEED SEGWIT!!!111 https://oxt.me/charts
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19:57 mod6 evenin'
19:58 mircea_popescu hola
20:01 mod6 solid l0gz
20:01 * mod6 reads
20:01 shinohai Que hay de bueno mod seis?
20:09 shinohai !~blocks
20:09 jhvh1 shinohai: 481914
20:20 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata/#comment-122744
20:25 mircea_popescu aha!
20:26 mircea_popescu shinohai did you nodeify it ?
20:41 mod6 shinohai: nada mucho.
20:41 shinohai I felt that ~150 tx's are hardly worth me spinning up a cuntoo for
20:41 mircea_popescu hm ?
20:42 shinohai (Total # of actual segshit tx's being 150 for month of August)
20:43 mod6 heh
20:43 mircea_popescu ah. no i meant, is jhvh1 sitting atop a trb node feeding !~blocks
20:44 shinohai Sadly, no. Though future plans are to make that happen. I need to have a sitdown with ben_vulpes and tie it in to mimi
20:48 mod6 "And yes if you're coming to visit me this is where I'm booking you." << yes!
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21:04 mod6 just watched a video on this place.
21:06 mod6 looks like a good spot
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21:29 mircea_popescu :p
21:30 mircea_popescu btw BingoBoingo you ever seen days of wine and roses ? total aa publicity piece, jack lemmon's in it
21:38 BingoBoingo Nah, it's on the list
~ 16 minutes ~
21:55 mircea_popescu it's not even terrible.
21:57 * BingoBoingo figures there will be plenty of time to film watch when winter comes
21:57 mircea_popescu prolly.
22:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A90F910F39CE09AA42A7DCE0CC7AA81C7FB0BAE7AC9C81FE99C8343B1F3633B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1740...5547 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.187.135.151 (ssh-rsa key from 89.187.135.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (assigned-89-187-135-151.dc3.cz. CZ)
22:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A90F910F39CE09AA42A7DCE0CC7AA81C7FB0BAE7AC9C81FE99C8343B1F3633B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1574...0147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.187.135.151 (ssh-rsa key from 89.187.135.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (assigned-89-187-135-151.dc3.cz. CZ)
22:12 BingoBoingo And in recent repeats, Transmayo protesters blocking traffic swarm car, try to beat driver. Driver escapes but faces felony charges. https://archive.is/trEw9
22:20 mircea_popescu heh
22:20 BingoBoingo Pantsuits must be desperate to get other case law
22:22 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
22:22 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4338.81, vol: 10659.80671953 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4350.3, vol: 21198.12139798 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4330.612499, vol: 13652.80990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4367.0, vol: 4391.59315841 | Volume-weighted last average: 4343.92892926
22:36 mircea_popescu they really gotta start putting these schmucks in jail. were you "protesting" around a car and got run over ? 6 months till we get around to hearing your case.
22:36 mircea_popescu no bail on the grounds of the serious social danger of mob-minded idiots.
22:39 mircea_popescu !!up GratefulSerf
22:39 deedbot GratefulSerf voiced for 30 minutes.
22:39 GratefulSerf gentlemen
22:40 GratefulSerf I am really enjoying reading the logs
22:40 mircea_popescu good for you!
22:40 mod6 GratefulSerf: cheers
22:41 GratefulSerf that's all - good day!
22:41 mircea_popescu lel
22:54 hanbot following fun-filled central american day of rando power outages, mid-sync trb aborts at startup with http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Kub6l/?raw=true
22:54 hanbot is this a thing?
22:54 * mod6 looks
22:54 mircea_popescu did you wipe lock file ?
22:55 hanbot not deliberately. lemmee see
22:56 hanbot .lock's there with blkdat files etc, yeah.
22:56 mircea_popescu wipe it.
22:57 hanbot wiped, same failure.
22:57 mircea_popescu ok, NOW let's read your paste :D
22:57 hanbot lol
22:58 mircea_popescu !#s NSt8ios_base7failureE
22:58 a111 0 results for "NSt8ios_base7failureE", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=NSt8ios_base7failureE
22:58 asciilifeform dafuq
22:58 mircea_popescu i don't recall this wonder.
22:58 asciilifeform hanbot: on what was this built ? and it ever ran ?
22:58 mircea_popescu looks like disk corruption tbh.
22:58 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> i don't recall this wonder. << me either. looking...
22:59 hanbot asciilifeform ye olde ubuntu 10.04, and it's been syncing fine for ~2 weeks, over 3 or 4 startups.
22:59 mircea_popescu notwithstanding i had the honor of experiencing as much bitcoin node disk corruption as the next fellow, but never saw it beforeE.
23:00 asciilifeform https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4490.0 << lulzily, identical
23:01 asciilifeform rotten db.
23:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform looks like the db is fucked huh
23:01 asciilifeform joy of bdb
23:02 mircea_popescu did we have some kind of reindex iirc ?
23:02 mircea_popescu may be worth trying before discarding data and starting over.
23:02 asciilifeform can nuke blkindex but iirc this dunwork
23:02 asciilifeform ( and never worked )
23:02 mircea_popescu hanbot do you do detachdb ?
23:03 hanbot nope
23:03 mircea_popescu aite well, if your setup's only coupla weeks old by very far the cheapest solution is to wipe and restart.
23:04 mod6 that's probably the simplest answer :[
23:04 mircea_popescu you may want to start it with detachdb and backup the chain now and again.
23:04 asciilifeform you dun have to throw out the blocks tho
23:04 asciilifeform can blkcut them and then eatblock
23:04 asciilifeform a couplaeatimes faster than resync
23:04 mircea_popescu unless she's set up for that, it won't be worth the time saved.
23:04 mod6 however, i might try a hand at keeping all but the most recent blk###.dat files, cutting them up with blkcut, then feeding them back in with eatblock.
23:04 asciilifeform ( the blocks are fine, unless your disk is genuinely shot )
23:05 mod6 ^
23:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if the build has eatblock, there's not really any setup needed, just needs the 'can eat' flag on warmup
23:05 mod6 i basically did a recent full sync with nothing but feeding into eatblock, from cut blk files, took ~6 days iirc.
23:06 mircea_popescu hey, i'm not disputing that it werx.
23:07 hanbot alrighty. thanks all!
23:08 mod6 gl hanbot
23:09 mod6 fwiw, it looks like these lines from serialize.h :
23:09 mod6 1285 if (fread(pch, 1, nSize, file) != nSize)
23:09 mod6 1286 setstate(std::ios::failbit, feof(file) ? "CAutoFile::read : end of file" : "CAutoFile::read : fread failed");
23:09 mircea_popescu aha.
23:09 mircea_popescu call stack prolly 47 deep.
23:10 mod6 also, to the readers, if power flux is a problem, best to use some power conditioning (UPS) of some sort - shut down and back up your chain as you can to help prevent against BDB corruption from bad-shutdown, etc.
23:10 mod6 mircea_popescu: ya.
23:14 asciilifeform another plus of small box with ssd -- you can use ordinary 12v lead cell as backup power.
23:14 asciilifeform ( in line with the cable )
~ 15 minutes ~
23:30 mircea_popescu "Register For Free Online!". because totally, "register" fails to convey. it could be "pay 10 dollars and mail us things" right, that happens.
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