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00:00 mircea_popescu that there's little difference, of either form or substance, and massive overlap of drive and interest uniting "the protocols of zion"-like stuff with "der sturmer"-like stuff with upton moore / michael sinclair -like stuff, with the WHOLE rest of protestant literature joint and several is, i suppose, the one thing pantsuit would least hear.
00:00 mircea_popescu nevertheless, it's very much the case.
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05:58 diana_coman asciilifeform, BingoBoingo content is confirmed ok, thank you; currently collecting data from fg for tests - this part will take a while
05:58 lobbesbot diana_coman: Sent 10 hours and 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
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08:52 asciilifeform diana_coman: fwiw fg is not affected by resets; but i won't presume ever to tell anybody not to test theirs ( personally i only 'is it still there?' on machine boot, but thats just me )
08:57 diana_coman asciilifeform, well yes, but this was more than a reset at any rate so I'd rather re-test anyway
09:03 asciilifeform diana_coman: test anyffing you can think of.
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09:47 mircea_popescu speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849789 something like "sudo tcpdump -vv -x -X -s65535 -i eth0 'port 443' > hurr.txt" followed perhaps by a tail -f hurr.txt will prove enlightening enough.
09:47 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 00:15 mircea_popescu: it's likle... redundant triangulation, the bs they got.
09:49 mircea_popescu among all the 104.16.78.166 (cloudflare), *.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com, *compute-1.amazonaws.com, *bc.googleusercontent.com etc etc, it should be quite evident why usg's been pushing "https everywhere".
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10:18 asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.
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10:19 mircea_popescu im for it.
10:19 asciilifeform recently i was going through by hand in list of what's in my rk gentoo, and holyfuq, 'root cert of greek gov' etc. disgraceful.
10:20 asciilifeform a patched curl that satisfies sslistic remote end, by whatever hook and crook, might be useful (for archiving etc) also.
10:20 asciilifeform but let's dispense with the pretense that 'sekoor'
10:30 BingoBoingo I dun see why the republic ought to acknowledge any root certs without registering with deedbot.
10:30 asciilifeform a major function of sslism is to hinder ~user~ from examining ~own~ packets. this must end.
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10:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sslism cannot be terraformed and rebuilt for any constructive use, imho. it must die.
10:32 asciilifeform ( the lib itself is a hairball , not unlike winblowz, i pointed this out even before 'heartbleed' etc., in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 )
10:32 asciilifeform it isn't worth salvage.
10:35 asciilifeform i can see an argument for keeping a cut-down version (perhaps trb's) around on ~some~ boxen , simply for curl-for-fetching-heathen-www, but that's about it.
10:36 asciilifeform ideally such a thing would live on a dedicated box on lan, working as proxy (heathen-facing on the fetching end, plain http on the operator's)
10:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793409 << past thread on subj.
10:39 a111 Logged on 2018-04-05 22:40 asciilifeform: come to think of it, a little proxy box ( make out of ~anything, even pogo ) would handily do the job. think 'chinese firewall https stripper' for home lan.
10:39 mircea_popescu curl can -k just fine. all my curls -k
10:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: rright but the curl bin oughta statically contain whatever's required. nomoar /etc/..../greekgov.cert plox.
10:40 mircea_popescu sure.
10:40 mircea_popescu doesn't it callout to openssl anytway ?
10:40 asciilifeform and i'd prefer that the next heartbleed ends up fetching rubbish from ram of dedicated toilet, rather than errywhere.
10:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it does, and current openssl does the /etc/.../systemwideusg.rubbish thing.
10:41 asciilifeform sorta like glibc does with dns.
10:42 mircea_popescu in other fucking lulz : curl -c will TRUNCATE the cookie file ; curl -b will NOT SAVE NEW COOKIES. as a result of this idiocy, if the server doesn't rebroadcast all cookies, you're fucked. what the fuck jesus, who truncates the cookie jar5
10:43 * asciilifeform never yet had occasion to curl-with-cookies
10:47 mircea_popescu turns out that what it wants you to do is curl -b file.txt -c file.txt (to read and write to it).
10:47 mircea_popescu seems redundant and counter-intuitive, but mayhaps i don't understand the wisdoms.
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11:07 mircea_popescu in other news, smoked trout with blue cheese on homemade bread, best sammich ++ will have again.
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11:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849949 << what was the story here ? 'ohnoez, nun rape' item ?
11:27 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 03:57 mircea_popescu: and in "muckracking" (ie, ideologically & politically directed pantsuit libel) : http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8095/pg8095.html a pile of (eagerly swallowed) 1830s fabrications.
11:34 asciilifeform diana_coman, mod6 : plz say when ok to zero the retired drives ( dun have to be immediate, but it takes a day or so and would like to get'em mailed to my vivisection table )
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11:36 asciilifeform i am rather curious where precisely the contacts melted, and so cleanly as to render the thing 100% functioning but usb2-only
11:36 asciilifeform note that 4 of the 6 installed drives were found thusly 'castrated'
11:39 asciilifeform for ref >> https://archive.is/alX6k << usb3 connector anatomy
11:39 mircea_popescu nonprotestants are bad mkay.
11:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: erry schism ever worx ~same, neh
11:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also, i'll give you odds the damned things ain't melted.
11:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 100% possib, could be firmware 'planned obsolescence' booby.
11:40 asciilifeform hence i'd like to take'em to the saw.
11:40 mircea_popescu what sense does that make, not like rk is high traffic. as compared to say a photocam
11:42 asciilifeform that stick gets pretty warm even on 0 load
11:42 asciilifeform or was speaking of fw boobytrap
11:42 mircea_popescu eg, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802801 item : i have it set on multishoot, thing dumps 700mb to its disk every time i take it out. fully cycled that card 50+ times by now
11:42 a111 Logged on 2018-04-19 01:58 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
11:42 asciilifeform i dunno, what sense does the crapple battery thing make. they rope chumpers into buyin' new ones, one way or other
11:43 mircea_popescu did the ssds even get run through 3x or something ?
11:43 asciilifeform i'd bet that not
11:44 asciilifeform i won't know if they actually used up their sparesectors until i zero'em tho
11:44 asciilifeform ( chances are -- not, as the boxen booted and ran without any eggog when they were emplaced on usb2 )
11:46 asciilifeform BingoBoingo cleaned a couple and found what looked like dissolved contact grime. which suggested the hypothesis.
11:46 mircea_popescu me too.
11:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where, in the rx100 ?
11:47 asciilifeform ( the grime suggests sad things re the supposed 'gold' plating , incidentally )
11:49 asciilifeform re sd card -- mircea_popescu may find it interesting that asciilifeform's initial (week before flight) rk test bed used a premium 'camera' 128G sd to boot ~and~ run from. but found that it is intolerably slow, the things have pretty sad randomaccess performance
11:50 mircea_popescu ok, but it's basically the same item, just arranged to emulate hdd
11:50 asciilifeform not quite same, some flashes optimized for sequential burst
11:50 mircea_popescu cameras generally write sequentially
11:50 asciilifeform right
11:50 asciilifeform whereas linux box, not
11:51 mircea_popescu it still seems improbable "fw boobytrap" is set so narrow, you barely get any use of the thing, on the basis of -- consumer market, much more use-y.
11:51 asciilifeform the diff was esp dramatic in classical mech hdd -- where you get 200M/s seq writes but 50-60 random, if yer lucky
11:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suspect that ssd makers dun particularly want folx using cheap stix in place of golden toilet 'adult' ssd.
11:53 asciilifeform 'market segmentation'
11:54 asciilifeform recall how seagate shipped (mech) hdd that in konsoomer model differed in 0 physical ways from the 'server' one, but 'mysteriously' misbehaved in raid
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11:56 BingoBoingo In other local drama: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/la-oposicion-defiende-a-manini-rios-la-sancion-es-un-intento-de-humillacion--2018911125639
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12:21 asciilifeform in other idjicies, 'Designed to run on minimal hardware, Elive is very much a passion project of its leader, Samuel F Baggen. Based on Debian, the first version took a bow in 2005. The second stable version made an appearance in 2010 and it has been a long eight years for the third stable version to become available. ... Elive has an impressively low bar to entry, with hardware requirements for the distribution coming in at 256 MB RA
12:21 asciilifeform M and a 500 MHz CPU, meaning that some very elderly silicon is theoretically going to be able to enjoy the highly polished Enlightenment desktop'
12:21 BingoBoingo The ;tldr is the "Poder ejecutivo" decided to throw the "Comandante en Jefe" in jail for 30 days
12:21 asciilifeform who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware'
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12:22 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware' << People who never played with total RAM measured in kiblebytes
12:22 asciilifeform fughet even the '80s, i had freebsd 4.7 quite satisfactorily on 'toshiba libretto' with 64M / 166Mhz.
12:23 asciilifeform ( and when tried to re-create this in '14, found that it is impossible, the packages are nowhere, unsurprisingly )
12:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'm entertained by the 'steal the having-been-stolen-from' of current 'minimal linux' frauds
12:29 asciilifeform granted 64M won't get you very far if you're eating up http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849805 . but at the very least how about kernel that doesn't eat half of those 64M just for own ??? 'needs'.
12:29 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 00:21 mircea_popescu: for all the derpage about "attack sites using your computer to mine shitcoins" in the usg.fakenews media, google's been using well over half of everyone's cpu an' ram for the past i dunno, decade ?
12:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Such is fraudlyfe
12:33 asciilifeform for instance, i might like to bake a box with ice40 as 'mips cpu' and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702696 for main memory. and then for ~2k usd you can have... 16MB . and what to run on that.
12:33 a111 Logged on 2017-08-23 23:25 asciilifeform: in other non-noose, 10ns ecc sram is ~15 usd / megabit today.
12:36 asciilifeform observe that box with 1990s level of immunity to 'cachebleeds', 'rowhammers', etc. still costs 1990s price...
12:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702698 << lol divide this figure by 8
12:36 a111 Logged on 2017-08-23 23:27 asciilifeform: grr megabyte
12:36 asciilifeform but still pretty penny.
12:36 asciilifeform 250bux / 16MB.
12:37 * asciilifeform was scratching head, 'this figure aint right, it was about 1/10th when i paid...'
12:46 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702815 << old thread re subj )
12:46 a111 Logged on 2017-08-24 14:41 asciilifeform: ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. )
12:52 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/09/imf-bullying-marshall-islands-over-exploration-options-for-independence-from-usd/ << Qntra - IMF Bullying Marshall Islands Over Exploration Options For Independence From USD
12:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ^ unsurprising. per tradition, whoever begins to show symptoms of 'cured of usd' , 'suddenly' ( a la libya etc ) is 'found to have terrorists' and gets 'democratized'
13:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, I'm lolling a lot more at the local Pantsuits digging themselves a hole
13:15 BingoBoingo Imma have to blog it
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15:52 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo uruguay has AN ARMY !?
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15:52 mircea_popescu whatever the fuck for.
15:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850021 << now this i do.
15:54 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 15:54 asciilifeform: recall how seagate shipped (mech) hdd that in konsoomer model differed in 0 physical ways from the 'server' one, but 'mysteriously' misbehaved in raid
15:55 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nowadays to get those UN Peacekeeping bucks. Before that to fight commie scum.
15:55 mircea_popescu oh i see. then why the fuck are they poor, i don't fucking get it.
15:56 BingoBoingo Well, the commie scum won.
15:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850026 << rather's the q, who the fuck thinks anyone gives a shit about "highly polished". weren't here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834802 discussion or something ?
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15:57 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 16:21 asciilifeform: who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware'
15:57 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 16:26 asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody shedding a tear for gtk/kde/etc
15:58 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so a negligible switzerland caught in between brazil and argentina has an army, notwithstanding that in case of war it'd last all of half a week, on the idea that it's an amusement park for the "wanna matter" pantsuitedly retardeed preciouis cuntlets in new york. who, of course, long ago became unsolvent.
15:58 mircea_popescu seems to me the story is all about how http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-115.156-115.326
15:59 mircea_popescu ie, "new york is bankrupt, find better customers or change the product line"
15:59 deedbot http://bingology.net/2018/09/12/uruguayo-political-snapshot-for-future-reference/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Uruguayo Political Snapshot For Future Reference
16:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850055 << the orig link derpage mentioned gui, but sadly even without any graphics current-day kernels are sad on small iron.
16:01 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 19:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850026 << rather's the q, who the fuck thinks anyone gives a shit about "highly polished". weren't here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834802 discussion or something ?
16:01 mircea_popescu they had no fucking idea about all of that. this niggled made a clock.
16:02 mircea_popescu nigglet*
16:02 asciilifeform aha
16:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didjaknow, they also have a navy. ( consists of, iirc, 3 old tubs )
16:04 BingoBoingo Well, the Navy does Coast Guard work. Boat rescues and such
16:04 BingoBoingo The army's just sort of a vestigal organ
16:04 mircea_popescu now THAT could've been a market, but the argentines have 0 money.
16:04 mircea_popescu otherwise yes, fucktarded monkeys insisting to go at sea, great rescue pickings.
16:04 asciilifeform there was even signs of an 'air force' , but the only plane i saw was a mig8 on blocks
16:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: As mentioned in blog post, Air Force is airport security
16:06 asciilifeform aaah yes, the 'these are in padded crate, they must be expensive and taxable' folx
16:07 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, those are just line jockeys
16:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol vivir en mierde (tm)
16:09 BingoBoingo The line jockey's job half hearedly finding things for the desk jockeys to do.
16:17 BingoBoingo Then there's the police who are a sort of security guard that stand with rifles deterring crime or they attend parades dressed in riot gear.
16:18 BingoBoingo The police are not to be confused with the science police who show up to places the police weren't and make a big show of doing something.
16:20 mircea_popescu in other lulz, bash implementation of functions excludes prototypes.
16:20 mircea_popescu "In other programming languages it is common to have arguments passed to the function listed inside the brackets (). In Bash they are there only for decoration and you never put anything inside them."
16:20 mircea_popescu i doubt many people fully understand the comedy goldmine that sits and waits in terminal.
16:20 BingoBoingo In the case of casinos and cambios the science police are usually preceeded by the Special Forces Police who show up in the time between the robbers leaving and the science police standing around
16:21 mircea_popescu oh, and of course $1 $2 AND $? are magic words.
16:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty sure errybody who ever touched it, knows
16:32 asciilifeform hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793267, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843516 , elsewhere.
16:32 a111 Logged on 2018-04-05 19:11 asciilifeform: imho the long-term answer is '3rd way' , i.e. all the crud i wrote in bash, python, etc over the years really oughta be in the hypothetical little-lisp-in-ada from old thread.
16:32 a111 Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)
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17:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm kinda trying to figure out what exactly i must have / can't stand for the Holy Script of Terminal
17:34 asciilifeform would be great to have a spec
17:36 mircea_popescu seems a ways off yet. but stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848765 is central.
17:36 a111 Logged on 2018-09-08 17:43 mircea_popescu: in today's wonderment, why the FUCK is it i can say sed 's%x%y%g' or sed 's^p^q^g' but can NOT say awk '%a%,%b%' ?!
17:36 mircea_popescu i suspect that the federated calling model of the current bash is actually its strength ; and not necessarily competed by lisp-ada.
17:37 mircea_popescu going back to that whole "pipe is all of bash" discussion.
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17:38 mircea_popescu but i'm not even sure what the difference is, tbh. "say mp... what's | got over Y?" i can\t answer that. and yet perl sucks and bash doesn't, in SPITE of braindamage like above.
17:53 mircea_popescu unrelatedly asciilifeform mod6 : i'm thinking of getting a rockchip to run a coldspare trilema server, ideally some sort of optimistic replication. is this something you'd wanna set up for me ?
18:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: definitely, once we have the new disks ( i dun expect you'll want the sad samsung )
18:02 mircea_popescu this isn't a critical application yet. experimenta, meaning -- if you want to use this to test 'em or w/e i don't mind.
18:02 asciilifeform some serious load test would be neat
18:04 * asciilifeform brb,meat
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18:30 mircea_popescu seems like an eminent use for rk plants, make a bunch of blog servlets. considering writes are rare and priviledged, perfect application.
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19:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: verily.
19:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850094 << pipe is not going anywhere
19:14 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 21:37 mircea_popescu: going back to that whole "pipe is all of bash" discussion.
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20:27 mod6 !!withdraw 0.73892662 14GZnTRpRZWZNxJ9vHFJeGMrTGS4uCVN8v
20:27 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RlI9h/?raw=true
20:34 mod6 !!v 04DA37A4866F347D1FC74AAF9924420CA9CA55267C7FFC2A3DB3E9C9C3F069AD
20:34 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eQcLy/?raw=true
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21:27 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849988 << nuke at will, Admiral.
21:27 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 15:34 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 : plz say when ok to zero the retired drives ( dun have to be immediate, but it takes a day or so and would like to get'em mailed to my vivisection table )
21:29 mod6 mircea_popescu: Sounds great!
21:31 mod6 TMSR~ : Update on the Pizarro report for August. I have completed the Liabilities table after some discussion with ben_vulpes, and it is currently in a final-draft form. Upon approval of this draft, we will post it to the pizarroisp.net site.
21:32 mod6 Thank you for your patience.
21:37 mircea_popescu in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2016/mr-right/ is pretty transparently the remake of http://trilema.com/2013/true-romance-tarantino-cut/
21:38 mircea_popescu man has the "viewing public" decayed intellectually in the intervening coupla decades.
21:38 mircea_popescu the us went from being populated by a buncha 19yos to being populated by a buncha 9yos.
21:38 mod6 I'm interested to see if his manson family movie is going to be a steaming pile of dung, or not.
21:40 mod6 "Once Upon a Time In Hollywood"; I think the smart money is on the latter.
21:40 mod6 *ahem*
21:40 mod6 former
21:43 mod6 we'll see I guess 'eh
21:55 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qSPwN/?raw=true << draft of the manifest.txt for TRB. mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque et. al. plz to review and let me know if any thing needs changing.
21:55 mod6 (the first line has a place holder in there for the block height when I get to actually making another excise_hash_truncation vpatch)
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23:57 ben_vulpes why that particular block height for all the other entries, mod6 ?
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