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00:32 mircea_popescu "I feel now that it is ridiculous to make accusations against the Jews, attributing them qualities and methods which are really much more typically English than Jewish"
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01:32 mircea_popescu in other lulz : oscar wilde's prison wailings (renamed "de profundis" by some buttfriend or other), uninteresting and unimportant as they may be, nevertheless were published in a bowdlerized version cca 1905, and in a proper version in 1960. THIS version is out of copyright in the world (which pointedly excludes the us) ; now go find it somewhere on teh http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849092
01:32 a111 Logged on 2018-09-10 15:27 mircea_popescu: but i seriously do not see the need for a "web" to support this nonsense. they'd be much better served by a single pravda.
01:33 mircea_popescu let's look at the matter : the actual manuscript has been maintained online by the british museum for half a decade by now. more. out of all these "creative" kanzures, exactly ZERO actually transcribed it and published on their own fucking worthless "online presence".
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01:33 mircea_popescu not even the lowliest of the lowliest fruit shall be picked up, year after year after year AFTER YEAR.
01:34 mircea_popescu nothing but neet-ing about and "do we still have to DO this" bla bla bla "the conversation" nonsense & sheer idiocy. nothing but. NOTHING BUT!
01:34 mircea_popescu how the fuck can there exist so-and-so billion "people" and zero work comes out of them year in, year out ? what is this ?
01:36 mircea_popescu what, i'm going to commission the transcription myself ? so what, imbeciles a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 can continue to pretendf like ANYTHING WHATSOEVER the fuck else exists ?!
01:36 a111 Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
01:36 mircea_popescu i don't even fucking like wilde!
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10:08 mircea_popescu meanwhile in ancient trilemas, http://trilema.com/2011/planeta-pizdutelor/#comment-71237 << diana_coman recommends Cordwainer Smith (aka Linebarger) & a certain Vance as literate sf. anyone read these ?
10:14 * asciilifeform read linebarger
10:15 asciilifeform d00d was an interesting fella.
10:17 mircea_popescu diana_coman /me also answered the ancient debate meanwhile!
10:21 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/dialogurile-sclavelor-pe-marginea-lumii-lu-gor/ << meanwhile in unexpected english text from before the great switch.
10:22 diana_coman I think it's one of those where we take one another's eyes out for half a day, at the end of which it turns out we actually agreed on the main point all along
10:22 mircea_popescu engineers debating!
10:23 diana_coman anyway, to the point: I still find Linebarger interesting, perhaps for the exact reason that I can't yet actually place him fully anywhere
10:26 mircea_popescu oh oh the atomsk guy!
10:26 mircea_popescu https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Fantasy_book_1950_n6.jpg/330px-Fantasy_book_1950_n6.jpg << amusingly, EXACT pulp, as far as form is concerned.
10:28 diana_coman the venue for sure
10:34 mircea_popescu let's compare and contrast 1960s cheap illustrations : the neo-post-impressionist school ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Galaxy_196210.jpg ) with the early-computerist-aesthetic (itself almost indistinguishable from "the votive america flying over some telegraph poles, drawn by qualified industrial draughtsman") : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Amazing_stories_196310.jpg
10:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, here's a guy dead of ~heart attack~.
10:36 asciilifeform ACHTUNG all pizarro rockchip customers ! if you modified your /etc/conf.d/net , in recent 2 weeks, plz say ! asciilifeform currently suspects that somebody munged theirs, and it may account for diana_coman's unreachable box, we may have to take the pilot plant down for maintenance and manually dig, if nobody says anyffing
10:38 mircea_popescu o.O
10:38 mircea_popescu a) i am willing to bet you're the last one to have touched such. ; b) people can actually fuck up other's boxes' routing ?!
10:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i test'em before handing over to mod6 .
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10:39 asciilifeform and unfortunately it is the case that ips are static, and set in box, and accessible by user, this was in the log when the plant went online.
10:41 mircea_popescu so you're telling me douchebag could have taken out your entire plant if he had a clue ?
10:41 mircea_popescu hanbot : " spacecraft, which are crewed by humans telepathically linked with cats to defend against the attacks of malevolent entities in space, which are perceived by the humans as dragons, and by the cats as gigantic rats".
10:44 mircea_popescu "Meeya Meefla", the only city to have preserved its name from the pre-atomic era: evidently Miami, Florida << aaahahaha! this is carrying on. where do all the orcs wanna go ? to meeya meefla, the city of moafle.
10:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i warned of this in the first days ( currently digging in log re exact line )
10:46 asciilifeform i do not currently know of any practical means to entirely isolate the boxes on the lan.
10:46 mircea_popescu nevermind entirely isolate ; why are they publishing their own routes ?
10:47 asciilifeform routes have 0 to do with it
10:47 asciilifeform recall how static ip works
10:48 asciilifeform there is not a 'smart' switch in the rack, all packets travel down all wires.
10:48 mircea_popescu i guess i'm not understranding the problem. how can box a make box b unreachable ?
10:48 asciilifeform by sitting down on top of its ip.
10:48 mircea_popescu this can only mean "by advertising that route" to me. what the fuck ?
10:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833633 << 1 occasion where this happened.
10:49 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 22:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to sit down on somewhere other than dulap ip.
10:49 mircea_popescu what is "sit down" mean, specifically.
10:49 asciilifeform when you set static ip in box, it starts answering packets addressed there, elementarily.
10:49 mircea_popescu and so what if it does ?
10:50 asciilifeform you get nonsense on the other end.
10:50 asciilifeform rather like 2 people sitting on 1 telephone wire.
10:50 mircea_popescu so to understand this : box x talks to box y. box y is ambiguously defined, both box a and b send ack in response, box x can not proceed connecting ?
10:51 asciilifeform correct
10:51 mircea_popescu isn't this a ~1940s problem solved by ROUTES ?
10:51 mircea_popescu whereby your switch does not forward packets coming from the wrong a ?
10:51 asciilifeform this requires 'smart' switch, where individual jacks are addressible
10:52 mircea_popescu you're telling me you have some magical lan whereby the boxes aren't distinguished ?
10:53 asciilifeform they're distinguished by mac ( which incidentally a malicious user could easily reset to be whatever he wants ) so the problem is only solvable in the general case by a router which operates jacks individually
10:53 mircea_popescu both the words "switch" and "router" actually originate from a time after this problem being resolved ;/ the switch will switch, and the router will route. you got a ... multiplexer ?
10:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is only 'resolved' in the sense you are contemplating, on juniper and similar.
10:54 asciilifeform $50-100k usg.box.
10:54 mircea_popescu a large portion of why people are stuck paying that $$$ ; and i guess pizarro will too ?
10:54 asciilifeform nope, current pizarro policy is that users are to refrain from interfering with others.
10:54 mircea_popescu and you ~still~ don't see either the utility or the possibility of having a box do switching ?
10:55 asciilifeform i definitely see .
10:55 mircea_popescu aite
10:57 mircea_popescu at the very least you could have a listener attached, report to you cases of double-ack
10:57 asciilifeform theoretically yes
10:57 asciilifeform this is in the research conveyor
10:57 asciilifeform it won't reveal mac diddlers tho
10:57 mircea_popescu but btw, a) still stands. i judge the odds of some user even touching conf.d ~0 and the odds of your having accidentally used the wrong values during a resetting ~100%.
10:58 asciilifeform on the most recent occasion when i re-imaged rk ( actually 2 of'em ) i tested all 6.
10:58 asciilifeform but we'll find out the answer today.
10:59 mircea_popescu and of course this stands for whole space ? one could eg make foundation box inaccessible by renting rk ?
10:59 asciilifeform currently yes
10:59 asciilifeform l1 folx who do this, will be publicly shamed. new customer -- booted.
11:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you know how to perma-fix this with a box that doesn't cost 50k or take up an entire rack (i.e. x86 box with 9000 nics) i'm all ears.
11:02 mircea_popescu let me get this straight : if me and you have a rk, and you run your blog from there, and i overload your ip but only use port x which you do not use a) you'll never know and b) i have two ips now.
11:03 * mircea_popescu is currently thinking this should be turned into a feature.
11:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801533 << orig thread
11:03 a111 Logged on 2018-04-18 04:53 ben_vulpes: douchebag: pizarro board has serious reservations about your fucking up our honorsystem ip routing table and bringing dos/whatever hell down upon our little gated community, can i extract a commitment from you to not misbehave in my cab?
11:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: right nao anybody can sit down on as many ips as he wants, or munge and retransmit , or pretty much any conceivable mischief.
11:04 asciilifeform because there is, in effect, 1 shared wire.
11:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801952 << whole thrd
11:05 a111 Logged on 2018-04-18 11:42 ascii_lander: the only sensible policy is to proclaim, ahead of time, that any customer found monkeying with the lan , will be banished, with no refunds and no recourse;
11:05 mircea_popescu so basically what's the idea here, "do not edit /etc/conf.d/net without checking with #pizarro" ?
11:05 asciilifeform aha. as explicitly proclaimed.
11:05 mircea_popescu anywhere a customer'd know ? such as a comment in the file itself ? such as on sales pagE ?
11:05 asciilifeform http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-good-neighbor-policy/
11:06 asciilifeform written after 1st time we had this thread.
11:08 asciilifeform as the iron currently stands, it is a hostel, not hotel, and folx must refrain from shitting in one another's beds.
11:08 asciilifeform the rk's are on own physical switch, so if one of them pulls the lan to ground, it will take out only rk cluster. but that's the only isolation available.
11:09 mircea_popescu do me a favour and add #Do not change this if you're not entirely sure ; talk in #pizarro to make sure ; messing up the routing will cost you your reputation.
11:09 mircea_popescu or something
11:09 asciilifeform i'ma add it to the template, it will go on all new/reimaged boxen.
11:09 mircea_popescu cool.
11:10 * asciilifeform brb, tea
11:19 mircea_popescu anywway, to get back to the literature discussion : this http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29614/29614-h/29614-h.htm item is as fine an example of a principal cause of my distate for the stuff -- a certain pompieristic approach to engineering.
11:20 mircea_popescu so suppose as the premise that (all) people hallucinate "dragons" in so-and-so circumstances. there's nothing wrong with this whatsoever. all literature requires a premise ; the premise will be some thing not commonly seen. that's how it works, that's how it's supposed to work, it's not the fucking police blotter or an actuarial table, it's a story. no argument.
11:22 mircea_popescu necessarily, in order for literature to even exist, there must be a counter to this. an exception, a qualifying circumstance, what have you. say it is that class y doesn't share the property of class x. whether this is going over (people, yes, but CATS no) or going in (people, yes, except blonde virgin females with labia minora extending past and outside labia majora) it matters not.
11:22 mircea_popescu HOWEVER! the degree and type and quality of that going, in or over irrespective, then sets the tone for the whole piece. necessarily and without possibility of escape.
11:25 mircea_popescu because the space of possibilities constrains, very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687609 ; once the quality of your going is "not people -- but cats" you're stuck writing a whimsical tale for 9 year old girls. because there, and there only, is the classification so gross as to go "people... cats..."
11:25 a111 Logged on 2017-07-20 19:45 mircea_popescu: there is major difference between competition in software and competition in (any kind of) hardware. very narrow protein spaces in biofilms.
11:26 mircea_popescu IF you aim to write "science-" anything, you must therefore show finer understanding of the available categorization trees than "oh, people see dragons but cats see rats".
11:27 mircea_popescu but if instead you proceed to pile on "man-cat-head-intermingler" on top of the nonsense world made of people and cats and a chair, the result is not unlike the bridge that jack built : first it was a hovel, then it got a latrine boolted to the side and now somebody put a length of train track sorta sideways and calls it "a tunnel".
11:30 mircea_popescu in short, stories work by fusing portions of reality not currently seen fused ; making out relationships where no relationship ordinarily exists. that's what a story is, always. but if the story aims to connect items that can not be connected, because they for some preexisting cause necessarily can't be found in the same place at the same time, or because they're categorically different kinds of items, or for any other reason
11:30 mircea_popescu , the "story" attempting the fusing blindly becomes "pulp fiction" in literature, or "conspiracy theory" in the common course of storytelling (yes, that's what people do when they talk -- they tell stories).
11:31 mircea_popescu whereas if it's particularly good quality, exposing an ACTUAL connection not before observed for fault of observation, that story actually becomes outright science.
11:31 mircea_popescu thus therefore, i expect "science fiction" to be EXACTLY science that very well could have been, but happens to isn't ; not conspiracy theorism.
11:33 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849451 << asciilifeform handed them over to me to test they had been reset, and one could login via a temp password. This was done to douchebag's and mats' old rockchips. They both worked great after reset. I never touched the /etc/conf.d/net file.
11:33 a111 Logged on 2018-09-11 14:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i test'em before handing over to mod6 .
11:34 mod6 As far as my rockchip, it was mistakenly unplugged, and never worked after that.
11:34 mircea_popescu (for completeness, the other cause of my distaste is very poor mastery of the formal aspects of the craft, like in gor fragment linked or all of literotica or everything david mamet ever wrote. just BAD , especially dialogue, but overall this impression that a lame and blind guy's fighting for his life in wordmud)
11:34 mircea_popescu mod6 been a long time ?
11:35 mod6 And further, I never touched my /etc/conf.d/net file either.
11:35 mod6 I had been using my rockchip all the time.
11:35 mod6 I can't say for mats' or douchebags, but I can attest that after they were reset, that I could log in successfully to each at least 1 time.
11:36 mircea_popescu no i mean, your own not working
11:36 mod6 It's been about 8 or 9 days since it lost power.
11:37 lobbes ftr, this was the -exact- issue I was having (403 errors on www, no ssh, but could ping fine. Whatever BingoBoingo did for me then worked like a charm though.) http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427159 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846123
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11:37 a111 Logged on 2018-08-31 13:15 lobbes: so I have a question for the more experienced server operators out there: As of yesterday I found that I can no longer ssh into my rockchip (eggog: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PKeSK/?raw=true)
11:37 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-09-11 09:31 diana_coman: good morning; I can't seem to be able to connect to my rockchip anymore: http (ossasepia.com) gives 403 You don't have permission to access / on this server ; ssh refuses connection too; there was NO change as far as I know - I haven't touched it in quite a while and last time I connected everything worked fine; any idea what might be wrong there, BingoBoingo ?
11:38 lobbes I can also confirm I have not touched my /etc/conf.d
11:39 lobbes */etc/conf.d/net I mean
11:41 mircea_popescu * Trying 161.0.121.198... connected
11:41 mircea_popescu * Connected to ossasepia.com (161.0.121.198) port 80 (#0)
11:41 mircea_popescu > GET / HTTP/1.1
11:42 mircea_popescu ^ it's strictly impossible for the problem asciilifeform to be involved, seeing how i actually do handshake.
11:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform described*
11:43 asciilifeform back
11:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we do not currently know, but BingoBoingo is in the cage as we speak with the uart probe.
11:47 mircea_popescu k
11:47 asciilifeform ( #p will have realtime progress )
11:48 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849540 << what exactly was this ?
11:48 a111 Logged on 2018-09-11 15:37 lobbes: ftr, this was the -exact- issue I was having (403 errors on www, no ssh, but could ping fine. Whatever BingoBoingo did for me then worked like a charm though.) http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427159 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846123
11:48 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-09-11 09:31 diana_coman: good morning; I can't seem to be able to connect to my rockchip anymore: http (ossasepia.com) gives 403 You don't have permission to access / on this server ; ssh refuses connection too; there was NO change as far as I know - I haven't touched it in quite a while and last time I connected everything worked fine; any idea what might be wrong there, BingoBoingo ?
12:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What worked for that was a power cycle, but...
12:02 asciilifeform this is pretty alarming
12:04 mircea_popescu lol did you contribute a few boxes to the internet's efforts to spam itslef ?
12:06 asciilifeform i'd luvv to get an 0day out of this story, but i suspect culprit is more boring
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12:22 mircea_popescu "Where would he ever find a woman who could compare with her?" dawg, check it! out and out fury-ism!
12:32 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rkuart.jpg << for fyootoor ref
12:45 asciilifeform !Q later tell diana_coman didja rebuild your rk kernel with no xhci ( usb3 ) ?
12:45 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
12:46 diana_coman asciilifeform, no; and moreover as previously stated in between "it works" and "it doesn't work" I did not even connect to it!
12:46 lobbesbot diana_coman: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> didja rebuild your rk kernel with no xhci ( usb3 ) ?
12:46 asciilifeform diana_coman: yes i know
12:46 asciilifeform i gotta ask
12:46 asciilifeform diana_coman: currently looks like you have a dying ssd
12:47 diana_coman o.O
12:47 diana_coman that was ...quick
12:48 diana_coman mircea_popescu, I can see the issues you raise, they are standing.
12:50 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/rk_e_sads.txt
12:50 asciilifeform ^ uart
12:51 asciilifeform [ 9.105595] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 33827664 << consistently across boots
12:52 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma ask BingoBoingo to plug this disk into one of your other boxes (plox to choose which one) so you can recover any state you had not a chance to back up; meanwhile you will be issued a spare .
12:52 asciilifeform ( there are two spares on hand, for this event )
12:52 asciilifeform next we will probe mod6's box
12:54 asciilifeform now you folx know what 'pilot plant' means !
12:54 asciilifeform and why asciilifeform did not hurry to buy 9000 of these drives
12:55 diana_coman technically speaking I don't own any other box - they are leased by smg rather than by me and I'm not very keen on mixing the stuff tbh; I'll check the backups to see if there's anything worth the trouble still lost
12:55 asciilifeform diana_coman: this is strictly optional
12:56 diana_coman the lifetime of this drive though seems veeery short, so I need to decide on wtf
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13:19 diana_coman asciilifeform, can the disk be connected to the working rockchip itself so I rummage there? atm it seems it's only the very latest comments that'd be lost so I'm in 2 minds about it anyway
13:19 asciilifeform diana_coman: plz pop into #p & watch for updates, we are in the process of eliminating other potential culprits
13:20 diana_coman asciilifeform, ok
13:20 asciilifeform one of the 'dead' sticks seems to read entirely ok in dulap
13:20 diana_coman oh, hm
13:20 asciilifeform ( which is usb2 only ) so i currently suspect dirty or underforced connections
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13:53 asciilifeform diana_coman: can you ssh to your rk nao ?
14:05 asciilifeform diana_coman: plz give ( or not ) permission to modify your rk filesystem to enable uart console ( /etc/inittab )
14:05 asciilifeform we've discovered some pretty odd things
14:06 asciilifeform the sad boxen boot if stick is moved to usb2 jack. i currently suspect loose or contaminated contacts in usb3 ( it has additional pins towards the back )
14:06 asciilifeform however, diana_coman's unit boots, and initializes ssh , etc , but doesn't appear to actually listen on the port
14:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849583 << it has smart data, doesn't it ? read it.
14:13 a111 Logged on 2018-09-11 16:56 diana_coman: the lifetime of this drive though seems veeery short, so I need to decide on wtf
14:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sticks dun have smart ( at least any i've seen )
14:14 mircea_popescu for ssds especially is most illustrative (pro tip : it is not popssible to get bad sectors while drive not worn out (ie spares still exist) ; if drive worn out why was it in) etc
14:14 asciilifeform but currently i suspect it aint the stick, watch #p for updates
14:14 mircea_popescu wait, these are the stick-for-hdd items ?
14:14 asciilifeform yes !
14:14 asciilifeform as described in agonizing detail in log and photo
14:15 asciilifeform anyway currently seems like the 'dead' sticks aint dead
14:15 asciilifeform the boxen boot without eggog when they're installed in usb2 jack
14:15 mircea_popescu yeah, i r forgot.
14:15 mircea_popescu aanyways.
14:15 asciilifeform something moar peculiar is at work, we're to find what it is .
14:17 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other news nobody cares about, ro "musama" is not, as i had thought, commie-era invention to describe early plastics (in early application, vinyl table cloth) like "bakelite", but ancient tk word for waxcloth (müsemma). all neologisms are turkish in origin!!1
14:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you know tr ?
14:18 mircea_popescu very vaguely.
14:18 asciilifeform asciilifeform went on a tr kick recently, and turns out it's ridiculously simple , after all is a conlang
14:18 mircea_popescu yes.
14:18 asciilifeform ( they had their oddball revolution and junked their classical one )
14:18 mircea_popescu it's like "do oyu know neogreek" "who the fuck ever would ?!"
14:18 mircea_popescu classical tk, in the sense of sublime porte tk, is mostly a case of "do you know all the relevant poetry"
14:18 asciilifeform i only even thought to ask because mircea_popescu wrote about hanging out in stambul erry chance he got
14:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ja but they wrote their poems in persian
14:19 mircea_popescu imo it's the better euro town. not to disparage vienna
14:19 mircea_popescu but certainly to disparage london & paris.
14:20 mircea_popescu i suppose in the end a very rosettian view.
14:20 asciilifeform i admit i kinda like tr, the martian grammar is appealing
14:20 asciilifeform ( agglutinative thing , completely incompat with indoeuro and even semit structure )
14:21 asciilifeform rather like kazah, but without the puddle of oddball tenses
14:23 mircea_popescu very federative mindset, the turks.
14:24 mircea_popescu all "conquered peoples" must be let do as they will, all syllabic agglomeration must be permitted to sit undisturbed, millet all the way
14:24 asciilifeform i do not currently know out of what ataturk & co. sewed together current-tr
14:25 mircea_popescu process not so similar to the invention of "modern russian".
14:26 asciilifeform not really
14:27 asciilifeform lunacharsky (lenin's 'culture' vizier) just snipped off coupla unphonemic letters from alphabet
14:27 asciilifeform ( as peter previously did )
14:27 asciilifeform there was not a 'neo greek'-style process.
14:29 * asciilifeform routinely reads pre-1917 texts, they're stylistically unremarkable , simply got 3 'extra' glyphs
14:29 asciilifeform sorta funny , in 1990s ru various 'monarchist'-style folx went around trying to put'em back ~in~ . but naturally did not know the proper rules for their use, ended up with somewhat comical output
14:30 asciilifeform compared to what, e.g., mao, did to ~his~ lang -- very small diff.
14:31 asciilifeform re turks, supposedly 80+% of ottoman-era dictionary consisted of persisms/arabisms.
14:31 asciilifeform which got nailed in their rev.
14:31 asciilifeform so they ended up liek greeks.
14:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as i say, not so similar.
14:33 asciilifeform lol i think i missed the 'not'
14:33 asciilifeform so yea
14:33 asciilifeform iirc the greeks in their turn were trying to ditch the turkisms
14:33 asciilifeform but asciilifeform doesn't know enuff to say
14:34 diana_coman asciilifeform, oh hey, I CAN ssh into my rockchip apparently
14:35 asciilifeform diana_coman: that's pretty odd, i could not get it to tcp on 22
14:35 asciilifeform diana_coman: do you see anyffing peculiar in the logs ?
14:36 asciilifeform diana_coman: we temporarily powered up your unit with the drive on usb2 bus
14:36 mircea_popescu there's this weird period in the 19th and 20th century wherein the application of "that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" was that "if you agree the world's in summary ourdemocracy, you may continue to try and implement your boyish nonsense in particular, short ranged versions"
14:36 asciilifeform diana_coman: this produced an apparently normal (uartwise) boot
14:36 mircea_popescu hence "nationalism" as a concept -- aims to be the answer to "what boy society could exist in female world ???"
14:36 diana_coman asciilifeform, eh, my ssh is not on 22
14:36 mircea_popescu and in this context, all sorts of "improvements"
14:36 asciilifeform aaaaaaaa
14:37 asciilifeform diana_coman: that'd explain
14:37 asciilifeform ( and smart )
14:37 * diana_coman goes to look into logs
14:37 asciilifeform diana_coman: see if you can find why your apache fell down
14:37 asciilifeform diana_coman: and if anything in /var/log/messages loox strange.
14:37 mircea_popescu apache ~will~ fall down now and again, usually through oom.
14:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i haven't used apache in yrs, so cannot say yes/no
14:38 asciilifeform of nginx (such as it is) i get infinite uptime ( never yet seen it fall spontaneously )
14:39 asciilifeform however diana_coman's did not come to life on boot, so i suspect a config oddity
14:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo is as we speak out in the shops fetching contact cleaner and freon.
14:39 diana_coman asciilifeform, I did not set apache to start on boot, no; that much I'm not surprised at
14:39 asciilifeform another puzzle solved !
14:40 diana_coman I'm so fed up with "resets" that if my machine resets, I'd rather know+have a look at it then have everything restart
14:40 mircea_popescu 148 days 13 hours 4 minutes 56 seconds on trilema box.
14:40 asciilifeform diana_coman: this is not bad approach ( tho i still have my boxen set to come to life on boot, as sometimes i am away from console for entire day )
14:41 asciilifeform ( on other hand i have logs saving to external box -- and displayed -- in real time )
14:42 asciilifeform diana_coman: plox to lemme know if you find any clue re why the machine fell.
14:42 diana_coman will do
14:43 asciilifeform or any item whatsoever out of the ordinary
14:43 asciilifeform diana_coman: one other q -- which kernel are you presently using ?
14:44 diana_coman asciilifeform, on rockchip as it was, I didn't fiddle with its kernel
14:44 asciilifeform ( kernel lives on sd card, mounted as /boot )
14:44 asciilifeform ok
14:44 asciilifeform canhaz uname -a plox ?
14:47 diana_coman asciilifeform: Linux ossasepia 4.4.114asciilifeform #3 SMP Wed Apr 11 03:53:21 -00 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux
14:48 asciilifeform danke schon diana_coman
14:49 diana_coman you know, it'd be funny if it turned out it is some usb3 shit, just in case there wasn't enough reason to get rid of it
14:49 BingoBoingo At this point the question is physical usb3 shit or software usb3 shit
14:59 asciilifeform update : eliminated august kernel as possible cause
15:00 asciilifeform ( there appear to be four affected units, incl. diana_coman's )
15:00 asciilifeform vacant unit 'A' behaves same as diana_coman's , and exactly same after april kernel re-emplaced there
15:05 mircea_popescu meanwhile in freenode idiocy, i give you http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Baprj/?raw=true aka "how to ping out for being idle 4 minutes while exchanging data the very second prior"
~ 20 minutes ~
15:26 asciilifeform diana_coman: we found the culprit, will report here shortly
15:26 asciilifeform diana_coman: meanwhile i'ma have to issue diana_coman and mod6 with spare sticks after all, so diana_coman plox to give signal when ok to power down your unit
15:27 asciilifeform i'ma bitwise rescue your contents onto virgin
15:27 asciilifeform we will purchase new drives asap
15:28 diana_coman asciilifeform, ah, ok; I haven't really found anything useful in logs so far
15:29 diana_coman asciilifeform, I disconnected from the rockchip
15:29 asciilifeform danke schon diana_coman
15:35 asciilifeform ok i have a prelim verdict :
15:35 asciilifeform the samsung sticks are sad. back contacts (usb3) in'em, slowly dissolve
15:35 asciilifeform ( perhaps from heat )
15:36 asciilifeform this is the last time we use plastic-faced usb3 sticks.
15:36 asciilifeform diana_coman and mod6 will be bitwise-copied to the 2 virginal spares today, and the entire cluster will be moved onto new sticks . the latter will be obtained asap.
15:43 asciilifeform errybody should be back in biz in 3-4 hrs.
15:49 asciilifeform http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427276 << whole log of the hunt, for reference .
15:49 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-09-11 15:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the cage
15:56 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo is quite the useful remote pair of hands by now, isn't he.
15:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo did a++++ work in the bilge today (and to date) .
15:57 asciilifeform and he's got a good memory, i suspect he won't need explicit instruction next time.
15:57 mircea_popescu anyway. what model samsungs ? or ?
15:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: MUF-128BB/AM
15:58 asciilifeform and ha, they're apparently off the market nao
15:58 asciilifeform i suspect we weren't the only ones.
15:59 mircea_popescu strangely these are supposedly very low heat.
15:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mine right here is a good 45C
15:59 asciilifeform which i suspect is bit much
16:00 asciilifeform (prolly can thank pbfree solders...)
16:00 asciilifeform currently i am looking at replacement https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BAR-Plus-128GB-MUF-128BE4/dp/B07BPG9YX9 , which is a good ~4cm iron pig
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16:00 mircea_popescu isn't this a metal casing item ?
16:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the orig is a ~1cm thing, with plastic arse
16:01 asciilifeform ~0 heat transfer to anyffing but the jack iron
16:01 asciilifeform http://aaronrogier.net/uart2.JPG << from #p log, they are visible
16:02 mircea_popescu well what can i tell ya, this looks like it's a premium item.
16:02 asciilifeform lol , is what asciilifeform thought !
16:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: This is what it looks like when you throw 8 of them in Amazon cart. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xlJ9O/?raw=true
16:13 asciilifeform approx what i'd expect
~ 1 hours 59 minutes ~
18:12 asciilifeform update : diana_coman's disk set to copy in parallel with mod6's
18:13 asciilifeform ( using vacant rk )
~ 1 hours 40 minutes ~
19:53 asciilifeform !Q later tell diana_coman plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
19:53 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
19:53 asciilifeform !Q later tell mod6 plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
19:53 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
19:54 asciilifeform when both of you ping me back with green light signal, i'ma zero the old sticks and have BingoBoingo mail'em to asciilifeformistan for the vivisection table
19:58 asciilifeform in the coming days BingoBoingo will obtain a blower to give added airflow to the pilot plant , oughta extend the life of the remaining sadsamsungs until we get the replacements in.
19:58 asciilifeform mod6, diana_coman you should be back in biznis nao, plz say asap if notice any problem.
19:59 asciilifeform and ty BingoBoingo for the skilled hands.
20:01 asciilifeform mod6: at your earliest convenience plox to comment re the proposed replacement drives.
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20:01 asciilifeform i'd like to get'em purchased and sailing to BingoBoingostan asap.
20:03 asciilifeform mod6: plox to credit diana_coman with phree day of rk service, and yerself -- 8d
20:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo btw is chair nao, so lesse if he agrees.
20:05 mircea_popescu so in the end the idea is, plant ran too hot, ssd contacts lost contact ?
20:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: these sad stix run hot.
20:05 asciilifeform plant per se imho ok, i've yet to see a thermal sad on a rk cpu
20:06 mircea_popescu the idea being that they're made for consumer market, and no luser complains because no luser seriously uses them or somesuch ?
20:06 asciilifeform precisely so
20:07 mircea_popescu meaning we're, well, you're the first & only to even try this thing ?
20:07 asciilifeform quite likely
20:07 asciilifeform ditto the rk
20:07 asciilifeform i dunno of anybody else using'em in a plant
20:07 asciilifeform hence why 'pilot'
20:07 mircea_popescu the sad of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849428 ever recurring.
20:07 a111 Logged on 2018-09-11 05:33 mircea_popescu: let's look at the matter : the actual manuscript has been maintained online by the british museum for half a decade by now. more. out of all these "creative" kanzures, exactly ZERO actually transcribed it and published on their own fucking worthless "online presence".
20:07 asciilifeform exactly this, mircea_popescu
20:07 mircea_popescu but hey, at least doing things & trying things.
20:08 asciilifeform must.
20:08 mircea_popescu and in other "the web has failed, utterly" lulz : trilema's "Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines)" managed for the first time in history an epic 0.0% this month.
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20:08 asciilifeform ha i suppose this means ~nobody's been reading mine either
20:09 mircea_popescu meaning that ~nobody finds trilema via the web, ie, everyone who can read it already knows it.
20:09 asciilifeform not even via log www ?
20:09 asciilifeform or these excluded
20:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the numbers aren't absolute 0. there's reddit and facebook and the logs and your site and everything in there, the full list is >2k separate domains
20:09 asciilifeform aa
20:09 asciilifeform so swamped by spamolade
20:09 mircea_popescu but they don't figure as even 1:2k in general.
20:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mostly, swamped by direct traffic.
20:10 mircea_popescu spamolade counted separately for my convenience.
20:10 asciilifeform aa
20:11 mircea_popescu my conclusion is that ~100.0% of the people who could possibly read trilema discovered it already.
20:11 asciilifeform this fits with the earlier mircea_popescu hypothesis yes
20:11 asciilifeform where 'search engines' are largely spambots talking to selves
20:11 mircea_popescu search enbgines separate heading, 0.5%
20:11 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu recently finally gave the control shot into the head of google bot
20:12 asciilifeform so this might account for the dip
20:12 mircea_popescu i did ?!
20:12 asciilifeform iptables nullroute neh
20:12 mircea_popescu but that's on the terminal ; what's it do to with the server ?
20:12 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience
20:12 asciilifeform aah this was only on console ?
20:12 mircea_popescu well yes, what's it to do on a server ?
20:13 mircea_popescu not like servers do google searches
20:13 asciilifeform i thought it was for server
20:13 mircea_popescu trilema never had google analytics in the modern period.
20:13 mircea_popescu well no, but i mean... what's the server ever connect to google for ?
20:13 asciilifeform well noshit
20:13 asciilifeform i thought it was to cut down on bw burned on ~incoming~ bots
20:13 asciilifeform sorta like phuctor usedto have
20:13 mircea_popescu nah, it was to cut down on bullshit webpages doing cross-site loads.
20:13 asciilifeform aaaaa
20:13 asciilifeform aitre
20:14 asciilifeform *aite
20:14 mircea_popescu truthfully, it was originally attempt to control firefox hopeless idiocy ; but the research into that yielded more generally useful "how to truly escape panopticon"
20:14 asciilifeform at one time i had a 'nuke anyffing that behaves like bot' on dulap
20:14 asciilifeform ( then finally cured the db headaches, and stopped )
20:14 mircea_popescu which is what the article was about ; "privacy" "online" isn't worth two shits when every single page loads google.ajaxapi googlefonts googleanalytics etc.
20:15 asciilifeform ok this makes sense.
20:15 mircea_popescu it's likle... redundant triangulation, the bs they got.
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20:15 mircea_popescu incidentally, usg.cloudflare got apparently mandated to involve usg.alphabet, they now import it
20:15 asciilifeform i've experimented with lan-side rubbish filtration, but found it to be a headache, sumthing always slips through
20:16 mircea_popescu i'm confident article lists all current google ranges, but as it says, they might have secret ones etc. really what it does is shoot in the head the orcish habit of importing pantsuitism.
20:16 asciilifeform they expand erryday
20:16 asciilifeform ( and dun bother to tell where they expanded to, naturally )
20:17 mircea_popescu i get >10k failed attempts to load "fonts.google.com" a day for instance.
20:17 asciilifeform ugh
20:17 mircea_popescu look at eg https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_google_fonts.asp for an idea of how this works.
20:17 asciilifeform btw you prolly know why
20:18 mircea_popescu xmlhttp.open("GET", "https://www.googleapis.com/webfonts/v1/webfonts?key=AIzaSyCz-kpy86ft7U0Dh1LYkhTxrr_QPK27s1I&", true); fine example as any
20:18 mircea_popescu opens it ~through a dom call!!!~ to hide it from the usual filters.
20:20 asciilifeform 'truetype' 0days.
20:20 mircea_popescu so yeah, between the "googleapis", the "google fgonts", "google advertising" and "analytics" and 2-3 other culprits, google gets half dozen+ cookies loaded into your browser PER "3rd party" page.
20:20 mircea_popescu plus js shenanigans, plus dom/html5 shenanigans, plus etcetera.
20:21 asciilifeform is what 50MB www sadpages are made of, yes
20:21 mircea_popescu for all the derpage about "attack sites using your computer to mine shitcoins" in the usg.fakenews media, google's been using well over half of everyone's cpu an' ram for the past i dunno, decade ?
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20:21 asciilifeform and for what.
20:22 mircea_popescu "but that's ok". why ? "because it's useless, or in proper terminology, http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/#selection-343.264-343.462 "
20:23 mircea_popescu in other words, the alphabet nonsense is certified to never do anything [to break out of the gulag] whereas the shitcoin nonsense just fucking might. unlikely as all hell, nevertheless unlikely's too dangerous a danger!
20:23 asciilifeform the js shitcoin miner thing is lulzy, as we speak it is falling victim to the freshly baked asics for 'asic-resistant' liquishit
20:23 mircea_popescu doh.
20:23 asciilifeform the idjits who bothered, nao get to sit and cry and mebbe learn sumthing
20:24 mircea_popescu the infallible mark of the imbecile, whereby he'll create a "math proof world" wherein the fact he can't lean math won't enslave him to they who can.
20:24 asciilifeform not like shitcoin nets aint expendable, tho
20:24 asciilifeform for all i know, the chinese asic bakers will cry last.
20:24 mircea_popescu ye olde http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/#selection-165.280-165.733 thing.
20:25 asciilifeform ( why anybody would invest in asic-baking for a shitcoin-of-the-day, i do not know )
20:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im sure like the shovel merchants of 1848, they sell for cash sufficient.
20:25 asciilifeform spamming js has ~0 nre cost . asic > 0.
20:25 asciilifeform i suppose from that pov asic could +ev
20:25 asciilifeform if can match'em up with suckers fast enuff.
20:25 mircea_popescu possibly.
20:26 asciilifeform problem with asic is that you gotta bake & liquidate 50-100k units, to break even, as i currently understand
20:26 asciilifeform seems like tall order for monerozcashodium-of-the-day
20:26 mircea_popescu i have long suspected your numbers were off ; as recently discussed.
20:26 asciilifeform they could be !!
20:27 asciilifeform my numbers are from almost 10y ago.
20:27 BingoBoingo Ah, 17th anniversary of 9/11 passes and the most interesting news in the world is Samsung quietly removed a defective USB ssd from market without recalling it
20:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ~nobody ~ever recall shit.
20:27 asciilifeform it only happens when usg prods
20:27 mircea_popescu back in the original "asic" days, the first "company" that made it, consisted entirely of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847453 fellows -- not particularly bright, but with chinese presence.
20:27 a111 Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
20:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc 1st 'btc asic' were entirely fraudulent fpga-with-sanded-top
20:28 mircea_popescu i didn't judge it more than "one of the schmucks is fucking some local baillif's daughter" or such ; they never looked like anything more than high six figures were ever available to them.
20:28 mircea_popescu this was many years ago.
20:28 asciilifeform these then financed baking of actual asic
20:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, the first actually successful thing.
20:28 asciilifeform yes but it was paid for iirc with this.
20:28 mircea_popescu the fpga-sanded-off was usg's own fraud division "butterfly labls", with the mafia dorks.
20:28 asciilifeform oh hm
20:28 mircea_popescu the actuall successful item was asic-something, unrelated entirely.
20:29 * asciilifeform does not know for certain, was not fully tuned in then
20:29 asciilifeform i also remember a very spotty performance in the orig asics, where ~random selection of subcores actually ran, and no attempt was made to 'package the defective transistors in separate bag for your convenience sir'
20:30 asciilifeform some folx got 200kHash/s chips, others 300, 400...
20:31 asciilifeform the sort of thing you wouldn't tolerate in even tire nipples
20:32 mircea_popescu let me dig through teh archives, might as well.
20:32 asciilifeform btw if mircea_popescu or somebody else here discovers that asic ( ~actual~ asic, not metallization-fpga ) can nao be baked for a coupla coin, asciilifeform will not cry; quite opposite.
20:33 asciilifeform FG for instance is fully asicable as-it-stands
20:33 asciilifeform with 0 changes to the coad
20:34 asciilifeform ( was made this way quite deliberately )
20:34 asciilifeform i would not propose it as the 1st to bake, tho. but there it is.
20:38 * mod6 reads scrollback
20:38 lobbesbot mod6: Sent 44 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
20:40 mircea_popescu ok, so the thing that meanwhile "became" bitmain through "incorporating" in the sense of ditching the "forum investors" and any possible claims they may have was, before that move, the first and only ever "investment success" of tardstalk, made the "asicminer". "ceo" was one "freidcat"
20:40 asciilifeform name sounds familiar
20:40 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#selection-35.0-41.334 is probably the controlling story, but basically, six or so years ago there was one single "success" in a cloud of utter inept idiots.
20:40 mircea_popescu they fucked up the financial side, after managing to be the 1-in-100 that didn't fuck up the operational side.
20:41 mircea_popescu anyway, whatever that discussion -- the point is that a bunch of tards with some modicum of chinerse connection turned <1mn into actual baked chips cca 2012.
20:42 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ << more detail on same topic.
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 1mn in cash + some unknown amount of promisolade to sumbody, neh
20:43 asciilifeform backed with... idk what ( kneecaps ? )
20:43 mircea_popescu i doubt anyone'd have thought their promises solvent.
20:43 asciilifeform is what i'd think
20:43 asciilifeform but i do not know
20:43 asciilifeform in '90s ru derps were able to borrow from newly-baked banks. at 20%. backed with soldering iron and wife.
20:43 asciilifeform maybe cn similar.
20:45 asciilifeform could be, friedcat et al had 4 daughters to put as collateral.
20:45 mircea_popescu seems unlikely.
20:45 asciilifeform can't currently think of how else.
20:46 asciilifeform the asic folx did get a certain amt of lift from self-mining and the rising usd exch figure
20:47 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849711 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849730 << Looks good to me, just say when and will get BB the funds for an order.
20:47 a111 Logged on 2018-09-11 20:00 asciilifeform: currently i am looking at replacement https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BAR-Plus-128GB-MUF-128BE4/dp/B07BPG9YX9 , which is a good ~4cm iron pig
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20:47 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 00:01 asciilifeform: mod6: at your earliest convenience plox to comment re the proposed replacement drives.
20:47 asciilifeform ( baking asics is a pretty straight way to bank on rising btcusd )
20:47 * mod6 goes off to test the rockchip
20:47 mircea_popescu meanwhile of course, http://asicminer.com/
20:48 asciilifeform lol loox like 2014-style 'mining bond' sad sacks
20:48 asciilifeform mod6: got it
20:49 mircea_popescu incidentally, since we were discussing http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/#footnote_163_80959 : ALL of these "early modern financial vehicles" are the same thing -- smoke and mirrors for a "government of England" to pay 30 pennies to the pound and keep the capital.
20:49 asciilifeform !Q later tell BingoBoingo at your earliest convenience, plox to gpggram current postage addr, i can order these with own hands
20:49 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
20:50 mircea_popescu Gigavps launched bonds, paid 3-40 cents to the coin to date (but you can dilute that if you wish to "upgrade", of course); hashking launched "investments", paid 30 cents or less; amazingrando idem, this is the story since day one. << http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#selection-131.313-131.544
20:50 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Will do
20:50 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> at your earliest convenience, plox to gpggram current postage addr, i can order these with own hands
20:50 mod6 Ok logged into rockchip just fine.
20:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm at least a little surprised to hear that any of'em paid anyffing
20:50 mod6 nice work guys!
20:51 mircea_popescu of course they did.
20:51 asciilifeform mod6: congrats
20:51 mircea_popescu how did churchill put it, "he wouldn't stoop and didn't conquer"
20:51 asciilifeform lol
~ 20 minutes ~
21:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Here you go http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NhfhB/?raw=true
21:12 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo
21:13 mod6 nice, rockchip is rockin' again
21:13 asciilifeform neato
21:13 mod6 love this thing
21:15 mod6 fg is working great, A+++
21:16 asciilifeform diana_coman also be sure to test yours
21:16 asciilifeform (incl fg)
21:16 mod6 who wants to buy some random numbers?
21:16 mod6 shit, wrong channel
21:16 asciilifeform lel
21:20 mircea_popescu i'd buy a random number four.
21:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: before i buy the pile tomorrow, see if the item can be sourced from the same join where you magicked forth the uart
21:20 asciilifeform could be substantially cheaper (no bakshish)
21:21 mircea_popescu o btw -- if anyone's excited of the prospect of trying to avoid my scraping and messaging bots, fetlife's hiring a senior ruby on rails dev.
21:21 asciilifeform lol!
21:21 * asciilifeform tries to picture 'senior' ruby dev
21:21 mircea_popescu whole shitpit fire could use some challenge.
21:21 asciilifeform 'доходяга'
21:22 asciilifeform it's like a senior U sifter at butugychag.
21:22 asciilifeform 'hey n00b, i already worked 3mo of the expected 3.5 life'
21:22 asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu how do i say доходяга in ro ?
21:23 asciilifeform ( orig was pun. lit. 'one reaching the end of the road', but not errybody knows that it was a '30s play on 'доходим до социализма' slogan
21:23 asciilifeform )
21:23 mircea_popescu i can't think of anything, actually.
21:24 asciilifeform i guess not so much gulag in ro
21:24 mircea_popescu there's fine literary reference available, say "batore, sarace", but all this is cult.
21:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Will see what I can find
21:24 mircea_popescu (orig story about old mine nag, very touching)
21:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll find
21:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fefeleaga ?
21:24 asciilifeform poor bator!
21:25 asciilifeform i think that may have been the 1st full length ro lit asciilifeform was able to eat
21:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is -eaga equiv to the ru equiv. suffix ? ( i.e. '--poorbastard' . e.g. бродяга ~= 'poor wandering bastard' )
21:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/#selection-127.19-127.34 << orig.
21:27 asciilifeform yea recognized
21:27 mircea_popescu anyway, it preserves the important parts ; little is quite as dreary in human experience as the early modern mine.
21:27 asciilifeform dunno how much moar cheerful is current mine
21:27 asciilifeform but certainly fewer folx know about it.
21:28 mircea_popescu right.
21:28 mircea_popescu anyway, ro even lacks equiv of en "dead man walking", as such.
21:29 mircea_popescu and no, -eaga is not the sufix there.
21:30 asciilifeform falsecognate eh
21:30 mircea_popescu "fefeleaga" has no obvious ro cognate, looks like a hu retroversion of some kind. but the exact path escapes me.
21:30 asciilifeform ( sometimes seems like odin created ro so as to make a set of falsecognates for ru folx to trip on )
21:31 asciilifeform !#s nauka
21:31 a111 1 result for "nauka", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nauka
21:31 asciilifeform hm
21:31 asciilifeform !#s truda
21:31 a111 1 result for "truda", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=truda
21:31 asciilifeform could've sworn we had this one
21:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we had a buncha these lol. narod also.
21:32 asciilifeform aha!
21:32 mircea_popescu i always believed it's deliberate on ro part.
21:33 asciilifeform specif from colonial period ?
21:33 * asciilifeform can picture it
21:35 * asciilifeform will bbl: meat.
21:36 mircea_popescu meanwhile in lulz, https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.hx_i80dRR7gTN_IgO7Db0AHaEK%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
~ 2 hours 21 minutes ~
23:57 mircea_popescu and in "muckracking" (ie, ideologically & politically directed pantsuit libel) : http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8095/pg8095.html a pile of (eagerly swallowed) 1830s fabrications.
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