#trilema | 2017-08-23

pete_dushenski for that site ?

00:18

ben_vulpes evidently they're pissy about "he took our jerbs".

00:19

Dey took ur jerb!

00:19

Durk Ur DUR!

00:21

pete_dushenski

mircea_popescu: it was one of those "please to submit your version details" so... i did. can't recall if i actually clicked the "emergent consensus" button seriously or in jest, or if it was something that the hosts ticked, but it was definitely a test to see if they'd keep it up or not. looks like they have.

00:22

https://archive.is/yDG2t

00:23

i had no idea site was that old.

00:23

pete_dushenski

http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/20/bch-bcc-to-btc-brokerage/#footnote_0_19497 << updated max fee because today was a day of hard knock learnin', particularly around what btc actually goes for these days and how to dun read gud.

00:25

asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CNt8H/?raw=true

00:25

pete_dushenski

mircea_popescu: it predates trb by a bit at least, ya.

00:27

I thought it popped up around ClassicCoin's proposal

00:27

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pete_dushenski to have a cold shower

00:32

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3B12CF9DB37F5874E36BAF6296D95DA4D187F4B923CDCD104EAD2CA08DA0910 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1437...7653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.44.141 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.44.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (booksy5.booksy.se. SE)

00:32

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3B12CF9DB37F5874E36BAF6296D95DA4D187F4B923CDCD104EAD2CA08DA0910 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1484...0053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.44.141 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.44.141 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (booksy5.booksy.se. SE)

00:35

doh. trb node stalled out.

00:37

busily filling my disk with:

00:37

ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 650790574a mapTransactions prev not found be8d298e75

00:37

ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 650790574a

00:37

etc.

00:38

In the turrdorist department https://archive.is/MuV2n

00:46

hue, even pax dickinson wants UCI now: https://twitter.com/CounterFund/status/898366181102555136

00:50

oh nice. restart node, back off and running.

00:52

mircea_popescu: nudge on mpex withdrawal

00:53

kk

00:55

mike_c: it is, after all, windows technology

00:55

still? I guess boost qualifies as that

01:01

how the fuck is litecoin still a thing

01:01

or at least, as much as it ever was.

01:06

!!Up yangwao

01:06

yangwao voiced for 30 minutes.

01:08

yangwao: who is your daddy and what does he do

01:13

http://trilema.com/2017/the-mangocratic-oath/ << Trilema - The Mangocratic Oath

01:16

today's american political wtf: "John Brown, of an anti-Trump group calling itself the Redneck Revolt, wore military fatigues and had an AK-47 rifle strapped to his chest as he and a half dozen others from the group stood about 30 feet behind the barricade for protesters. He said they were there to protect Trump opponents and stand up to fascism."

01:16

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/23/trump-phoenix-protesters-241928

01:26

bringing a trb node up on whatever gentoo image scaleway has; 'pthread: command not found', log notes indicate patch necessary to cmake CheckIncludeFiles.cmake, investigation of which shows...no cmake on this box

01:26

what delightful novelty

01:33

Sweet http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/08/22/watch-phoenix-protester-takes-pepper-ball-groin/

01:35

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/

01:42

no cmake huh.

01:42

BingoBoingo: lol that leo piece. "left is hell-bent on discrediting itself", or how did it go

01:42

mircea_popescu: apparently

01:43

ben_vulpes: Remember that when a leftist group gets COINTELPRO'd that it's because USG wants the shit they are selling

01:43

but the error i hit was 'pthread: command not found', which...wat

01:44

BingoBoingo: hey if everything can't be free, maybe we can guilt whitey into giving us their houses and inheritances

01:44

one generation too late for that.

01:45

Yeah, Whitey ate their houses

01:50

ben_vulpes amusingly, this dekulakization v2.0 very pussy-like.

01:56

you mean it wasn't all whining and pleases and you shoulds the first time through?

02:02

no, it was around ww2, they just stole all real estate.

02:08

and in other open oven roasts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/137acf17a8143c7e01d8a2ea60b57184/tumblr_nyh0qhzBdx1u9uov7o1_400.gif

~ 51 minutes ~

03:00

!!up barpub

03:00

barpub voiced for 30 minutes.

03:07

!!Up punto

03:07

punto voiced for 30 minutes.

~ 1 hours 18 minutes ~

04:26

!~later tell mike_c http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4d0p4/?raw=true

04:26

mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.

~ 4 hours 38 minutes ~

09:05

!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/729p2/?raw=true

09:05

asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

09:07

!~later tell mike_c http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702508 << this is NORMAL behaviour for a trb node. and see below re 'stalls' :

09:07

Logged on 2017-08-23 04:37 mike_c: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 650790574a mapTransactions prev not found be8d298e75

09:07

asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

09:07

if trb node is not fetching blocks, but is not showing symptoms of 'black hole'

09:07

!#s blackhole

09:07

117 results for "blackhole", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=blackhole

09:07

then it is working normally,

09:09

i.e. accepts connections, processes mempool tx ( which, if said tx relies on a yet-unseen block, WILL be rejected, and will look exactly like the snippet mike_c posted, and in fact most of the debug log of a syncing node WILL consist of these )

09:09

the reason why mike_c's node appears 'stalled' is that it stopped fetching blocks. trb's block sync behaviour is unspeakably moronic, it will attempt 'long sync' ONCE, on warmup

09:09

and then never again! will passively sit and wait 'for rain to fall into mouth'

09:10

this is the traditional bitcoin sync behaviour, and i have not altered it.

09:10

( if someone has idea for a useful alteration that doesn't requite 1000s loc, plox to write in. )

09:11

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702513 << this is why restarts seem to help -- goes and begs for blox again

09:11

Logged on 2017-08-23 04:50 mike_c: oh nice. restart node, back off and running.

09:13

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702512 << reads like the same ameritards as before, 'can haz reddit and paypal but kinder and gentler'

09:13

Logged on 2017-08-23 04:46 ben_vulpes: hue, even pax dickinson wants UCI now: https://twitter.com/CounterFund/status/898366181102555136

09:19

in other lulz, http://archive.is/948EL >> '...the government knew that the firms were on the edge of massive profitability and that they were in fact not insolvent. ...They did it to steal the profits from the company -- which means they stole the shareholder's property to fund other things - including Obamacare.'

09:21

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asciilifeform bbl

~ 3 hours 21 minutes ~

12:42

lol, seems like someone doesn't know how the Altcoin problem works http://qntra.net/2017/07/a-quick-faq-about-the-not-bitcoin-fork-bitcoin-cash/#comment-108317

12:49

Domestic Urban Relations http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=385

12:55

!~ticker --market all

12:56

BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4228.0, vol: 15549.75212745 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4232.0, vol: 33839.27087237 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4265.676996, vol: 16456.99580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4268.949, vol: 5955.34498557 | Volume-weighted last average: 4241.91718231

12:56

Seems like the miners have an additional incentive to go back to btc after driving up the bch difficulty, since in addition to the 4x bch difficulty the btc difficulty will have dipped (however slightly) due to their absence while mining bch.

13:00

http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << whaack This becomes untenable for whoever is dumping turkey dollars into propping up BCH, exactly because of the altcoin woes

13:01

Even with BCH's "Emergency difficulty adjustment" (allegedly drops difficulty after X time without a block found)

13:08

well you don't get stuck without a block, but you get 2016 very quick blocks (that the turkey dollars club must have btc to prop up) and then 12h or w/e without a block

13:08

until whatever chest of btc they have is drained

13:09

How do you know if they have BTC to prop up? Wouldn't be the first time the insolvent lied.

13:09

I guess when the miners stop raising the difficulty

13:10

whaack didja read the woes of altcoin thing ?

13:10

Anyways the "Turkey dollars" refers to the dollars that could buy BTC

13:10

mircea_popescu yes

13:10

difficulty spikes on dying alts. it's what it does.

13:12

mircea_popescu: BCH has a lulzy twist, a difficulty blow off valve for this contingency. Insures terminal yo-yo'ing

13:12

it was fully gm'd back when i wrote that article. such dun help.

13:14

Yeah, but it's lulzy to watch the mutilation victims rave about their "victories" as the chainsaw revs for another pass.

13:14

asciilifeform alrighty then.

13:26

the point I was trying to make was that there's an additional motive not mentioned in http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ for the miners who "swoop in" in to return to to the main chain - namely while they were gone on the main chain the difficulty on the main chain gets reduced in addition to the difficulty on the altcoin being increased.

13:27

this is mentioned though.

13:28

"Bitcoin itself has a 400% baked in maximum increase each period, but what practical difference does it make ? Force the attacker to keep hashing for an extra 8 or so hours ? Big whoop, what's eight hours buy you ?

13:28

Suppose you recalibrate difficulty each block instead. Big whoop, so attacker drives your difficulty up 100x and now you only have to mine six days for negative returns instead of two years. So what ? You're still underwater, and once you recover he can still do it again."

13:28

footnote 2.

13:31

aanyway. yes, it's a fine manner to repatriate actual wealth (ie, btc) from the fucktards who traded their wives/daughters for money they shouldn'tr have had in the first place.

13:31

cunt wants to be free!

13:35

whaack oh wait, you mean the diff on ~main~ chain gets reduced, because this is an early stage delusion and the fucktards numerous/heavy enough. yes, yes, you're exactly right!

13:35

I just don't see how footnote 2 mentions the point of the btc difficulty decreasing while the miners are away from the main chain, even if it does allude to it by showing that holding the btc miner for an extended period of time doesn't help (b.c. of the fact that while the miners are away from the main chain their difficulty is decreasing)

13:35

no, you're rightr, extra cherry on top.

13:37

yeah, suppose they held half the miners for 4 weeks, they'd then have to double their payout for the next cycle to match the btc mining offer since the difficulty will have halved (not even including the increase in the altcoin chain)

13:37

as a very gross estimation yes.

13:38

mhm

13:38

it pays to be a miner these days.

13:50

trinque

hm, several minutes of lag from me to freenode atm. mitm dept didn't pay their aws bill?

13:50

minutes?!!

13:51

trinque

I just counted 170 sec

13:51

trinque

now, fine.

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asciilifeform picture kgb d00d putting down cut wire in tap box to take smoke break

13:52

this happens, amusingly enough.

13:53

of course happens. hence the push for 'tap all lines all the time, petabyte of liquishit lives in db warehouse the size of nyc' etc -- cheaper than trying to make a corps of agents who won't smoke break while tapping

13:55

but then, naturally, several flights down the human material quality latter , agents take smoke breaks still, but not to smoke tobacco, but pot, and not while tapping wires, but while writing code, tc

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etc

13:55

*ladder

13:55

heh

13:56

no you don't understand, they have an ad-hoc, informally specified, bug ridden reimplementation of microsoft access. XKEYSCORE!!!!

13:56

aayes

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mircea_popescu laughed ass off @usg for the first time when saw that these days equiv of manhattan project, "general + all the zeks that can be found" came to ~same as romanian computer club windows reimplementation.

13:57

in fact the utter technological failure of that "warehouse the size of ny" was a major inspiration for teh republic.

13:58

for education's sake : what would 'success' of same, look like ?

13:58

i dunno, symbolix 2 ?

13:59

ain't that rather like observing that the stasi never made a breakthrough in audio tape tech ?

13:59

dun think they were shooting for one.

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"holy shit they built ai capable of doing job of corps of competent agents"

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something like that.

13:59

asciilifeform i dun give a shit what they';re shooting for.

14:00

sour grape general, "oh we weren't aiming to conquer leningrad, we were just here for a stroll"

14:00

yarite.

14:00

different sort of failure, is all. pyramid of cheops , whatever else it is, is not a broken reactor. it's a perfectly 'working' pyramid.

14:00

what you're aiming for is not up to you.

14:01

this is more of the same delusion of specialness, "oh, it is my option whether i join trilema and i can set my own goals". in your dreams, and there only.

14:01

the goals are the goals, and retrospectively it becomes obvious if you found the goals or fumbled like idiot.

14:02

and thjere's no "that's how i feel blue squares should look on the wall" defense. hence the popularity of the pleb misstatement of "art".

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640325 << see also!

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Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done".

14:06

myeah. if you're born to be a hooker and the year is 1982, the vegas strip awaits. no ifs butts or taters. it dun matter if you dreamed of being a psychologist or a milliner as a little girl, either, that's what hobbies are for.

14:07

and the reason we dun wanna tell you what to do is precisely that the identification of these things is only easy in retrospect, but hard in the moment, and there's no worse sadness than following the wrong goal for THIS kind of wrong reason -- that the wrong person told you the wrong things.

14:07

but no more. certainly not an excuse to assfuck your own brain.

~ 28 minutes ~

14:36

asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ufE7P/?raw=true

14:44

got it !

~ 22 minutes ~

15:07

!!up ppsk

15:07

ppsk voiced for 30 minutes.

15:10

Hi

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ello

15:11

just wanted to say I've really enjoyed reading your blog, i can't remember how i first stumbled across it but its been one of the better collection of writings on the internet

15:11

why ty

15:13

by the way, does "if you go on a bitcoin fork, irrespective of which scammer proposes it, you will lose your bitcoins" still apply?

15:13

sure.

15:14

I was surprised you hadn't written something regarding the whole bitcoin cash debacle

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why ?

15:15

it seems to be a significant point of contention in the realm of bitcoin

15:15

notrly.

15:16

random scam designed to lighten the pockets of wediditreddit fucktards.

15:19

what do you think about monero?

15:19

!#s monero

15:19

232 results for "monero", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=monero

15:19

thanks, thats handy

15:19

enjoy

15:27

you spend a lot of time in latin america Mircea, or otherwise live there?

15:27

i live in cr atm.

15:27

whats the best country in that region, in your experience

15:27

prolly cr.

15:28

"Best" you know. what do you do ?

15:31

Ive seriously considered the universal plan for wealth, I was thinking central or south america is a good place to start over

15:35

ah, people swear by costa rica. abundant, cheap hookers and nice weather.

15:37

easy TEFL program too from what I hear, makes getting in and staying in a lot easier

15:38

!!up ppsk

15:38

ppsk voiced for 30 minutes.

15:38

do you have a pgp key ?

15:39

no, I'm rather new to all this

15:39

anyway, the first time i was here, bout 15 years ago, i came in on a tourist visa (with the idea of staying for a coupla weeks), ended up staying three years.

15:39

they fined me like 17 bucks on exit and that was the sum total of inconvenience.

15:41

lol, i doubt you would get away with that these days. But then, maybe?

15:41

i have nfi. maybe.

15:52

ppsk from my research in the matter apparently CR has a 90 day rule for most gringos...wherein you just have to step out of the country (for an hour) every 90 days. so you can do a Panama or Nicaragua day trip and get your passport stamped and come right back. Apparently you can get banned from returning to CR for 1-2 years now if you leave having stayed more than 90 days.

15:54

if you're not dirt poor you can apply for residency for being rich.

15:55

must prove 30k/year income for at least two years. so you know, buy a bond or w/e.

15:56

the amusing part being that the cap for public employees compensation is 4.2mn colones /month (about 10k/year)

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30k << that sounds brainmeltingly cheap... what's the catch ?

16:06

no catch. and that's the CAP.

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waiwat

16:06

gotta prove ~max~ income ?!

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no, i mean, people being paid by costa rican government may not earn in excess of

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aah i was speaking of the prove-30k item

16:07

!~calc 4200000 / 585 * 12

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mircea_popescu: 4200000 / 585 * 12 = 86153.84615384616

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um.

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wassat

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me failing math. their cap is 86k/yr not 8600 as i thought, nm

16:08

that's ~= usg 'g14' iirc.

16:08

something like that.

16:09

notbad.jpg spendolade for a bananistan

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anyway. yeah, if you show them you own a 1mn bond paying 3% you're good.

16:11

as to the catch -- well for eg, they got obamacare here. if you're a resident you must enroll. and so on.

16:11

as per usual, following laws doesn't pay.

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ie, why the fuck would you pay 3x what they pay to be part of their shithole medicare, when 100% of thew time you'll use the private hospitals.

~ 2 hours 50 minutes ~

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http://qntra.net/2017/08/nytimes-corporations-moral-voice-of-america-soviet-america-continues-thrashing/ << Qntra - "NYTIMES: Corporations Moral Voice Of America" – Soviet America Continues Thrashing

19:03

So much old trilema to read and link as Soviet America collapses

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for srs.

~ 22 minutes ~

19:25

in other non-noose, 10ns ecc sram is ~15 usd / megabit today.

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( for n00bz : that's 100MHz )

19:27

grr megabyte

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15 per megabyte.

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http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ISSI/IS61WV51216BLL-10TLI << e.g. (and they block archive.is, who'dvethunkit )

~ 27 minutes ~

19:57

mod6

mircea_popescu: need some help when you're around.

19:58

shoot mod6

19:59

mod6

so it's been suggested that we change 'trusted-nodes' to 'advertised republican nodes', which is fine with me. but the file that these live in is called 'trusted-nodes.html'. Since this is now linked in trilema 'how-to-participate', should we do a redirect to a new file, or just change the filename, or just change its contents?

20:01

i expect just change the contents

20:01

mod6

fair enough. cheers!

20:01

;)

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