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00:00 asciilifeform (hell, possibly whole usa is candidate for this)
00:00 BingoBoingo Mapsploring I am finding a disturbing number of duelingbajos-fucktowns which by all right ought to have datacenters advertising colospace based on cable locations and intersections.
00:01 asciilifeform they probably have cable in cement vault
00:01 BingoBoingo A number of these fucktowns even have major connection endpoints in the form of bezzelversities
00:03 asciilifeform incidentally, just about every american town of any size has a version of this: the hollowed-out fortified walls of the old strowger-switch telco exchanges
00:03 asciilifeform they are being filled up with 'dc on the cheap'
00:03 BingoBoingo Prime candidate for such an operation is carbondale, Illinois. Lived there once. Oasis of connectivity in a desert. Major chicago-New Orleans pipe. Indianapolis pipe. St Louis pipe. Shithole Kentucky pipes. Many hippies who want to "buy local"
00:03 asciilifeform but still largely empty, because in bezzleworld 'cheap' is a relative thing.
00:04 asciilifeform but at no point does it make sense to emplace anything of any value whatsoever in mr. randomschmuck's house.
00:04 BingoBoingo USG datacenters 10 miles away in Marion, IL off of the pipe path because prisons and FBU
00:04 asciilifeform i will have no part in it. and i can't picture any sane person wanting a part in it.
00:05 BingoBoingo Oh I never said house. I said shed. Shed goes on shitland, in town's once industrial district. Preferably a "superfund" site.
00:05 asciilifeform what, again, would you pay actual money to host in such a place ?
00:06 BingoBoingo to host three machines in different locals for the price of one machine in a big city datacenter
00:06 asciilifeform and how does it beat the 20-30bux/mo an old pentium3 in data center costs?
00:06 asciilifeform methinks we're speaking of a 'chinese backyard steel mill' situation here.
00:06 asciilifeform !s backyard steel
00:06 assbot 6 results for 'backyard steel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backyard+steel
00:07 BingoBoingo AH, in this region there is not such a deal I can drive to. A bring the box colo costs $70 USD for 1 rack unit
00:07 BingoBoingo At half depth
00:08 BingoBoingo I'm trying to think out a way to chump this down to $20 per box
00:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that'd easily fit half a dozen of, e.g., these, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162727
00:09 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:46:21; trinque: http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great
00:10 BingoBoingo It really would. Or what was that thing which clustered a bunch of opteron slices.
00:11 pete_dushenski self-scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/21/statelessness-of-fearlessness/
00:11 assbot Statelessness of fearlessness. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl1jx )
00:11 BingoBoingo But the franchise model was suggested for a reason. When dealing with homo reddictus must put meatshield up to absorb derp.
00:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'm just at a serious loss to picture how this wins.
00:12 pete_dushenski cazalla: i'm seeing the comment. also, replied. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/#comment-21039
00:12 assbot Epidemiology is hard to follow. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl7HU )
00:13 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
00:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Who said it wins? I'm merely suggesting it could take in more dollars than expended. At the moment McDonalds is losing.
00:14 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: your blog has a header ! and it's a c-c-c-car !!
00:15 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: 'Sorry, hun, doesn’t work like that. That was the Ambien you took.' << is this the new substitute for lsd ?
00:16 asciilifeform what's it do, specifically ?
00:16 asciilifeform feel like i heard of it before
00:16 asciilifeform (tlp?)
00:16 BingoBoingo Consider college towns. Local population of students who want a seedbox for torrents who can't on the campus network because of network restrictions on. Just need any box they can ftp into.
00:16 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: indeed it's from tlp. and it's a sedative.
00:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Ambien makes one trip balls if you stay awake instead of sleeping
00:17 pete_dushenski ambien "It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic of the imidazopyridine class[3] that potentiates GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to GABAA receptors at the same location as benzodiazepines.[4] It works quickly, usually within 15 minutes, and has a short half-life of two to three hours."
00:17 BingoBoingo Less LSD alternative and more "robotrip" alternative
00:17 asciilifeform so ghb-like mechanism ?
00:18 asciilifeform robotrip ?
00:19 BingoBoingo ghb like, if GHB were ken shamrock and Ambien Kimbo Slice
00:19 * asciilifeform is very much out of date on dope trivia
00:19 pete_dushenski robotrip sounds like robocop come back from the dead as a walking zombie
00:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
00:19 * asciilifeform will catch up on dope when he is finally confined to the психушка
00:21 asciilifeform pete_dushenski still awake ?
00:21 asciilifeform pete_dushenski ought to write a piece on the uprising at treblinka.
00:21 asciilifeform (specifically)
00:21 pete_dushenski hm. can't say i know much about it.
00:21 asciilifeform ^ this re: the quoted thread with spandrell
00:22 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: have some source material handy ?
00:22 asciilifeform re 'wives & children'
00:22 pete_dushenski aha.
00:22 asciilifeform what languages does pete_dushenski have a command of ?
00:22 * BingoBoingo was prescribed Ambien to sleep in Undergrad. Made the mistake of taking before getting last cigarette of the evening. Ambien can trigger some odd things.
00:23 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: for translation purposes : french and spanish. the romanian bits i do, awful as they are, are only because mp authored them.
00:24 BingoBoingo Also... get ready for more bearded ladies http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/06/18/aging_as_a_disease.php (female facial hair is most notorious metformin side effect)
00:24 assbot Aging As a Disease. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdm0QG )
00:24 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: my recollection (ru sources) is that treblinka was the site of one of the very few uprisings on account of the participants in said uprising having already lost their women
00:24 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: what 'odd things' did ambien trigger for you ?
00:25 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: ah yes, this rings a bell now. probably from the logs.
00:25 pete_dushenski !s treblinka
00:25 assbot 4 results for 'treblinka' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=treblinka
00:25 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Mostly it triggered some interesting visual things and a profound compromise in judgement equivalent to a fifth of bourbon, but without the other tell tale warnings actual booze would offer.
00:26 asciilifeform 'At Treblinka, an underground organization plotted an armed rebellion and mass escape. Learning about the Warsaw ghetto revolt from the last transports of Jews brought to Treblinka from Warsaw, the organizers decided the moment for revolt had arrived. On August 2, 1943, the underground fighters put their plan into action: to steal arms from the warehouse; eliminate the German and Ukrainian guards on duty; set the camp on fire;
00:26 asciilifeform destroy the extermination area; and, then help the remaining prisoners escape to the forest. Many were killed during the rebellion, including all the resistance leaders, as the flames and reports of the revolt brought German reinforcements from all directions. But as many as 200 prisoners escaped to the neighboring forest, and perhaps twenty of those men survived German efforts to recapture them.'
00:26 asciilifeform ^ engl. summary
00:27 BingoBoingo If in bed immediately after ambien... much sleep. Problem is I developed tolerance to the stuff rapidly.
00:28 pete_dushenski http://holocaust-history.org/operation-reinhard/uprising-in-treblinka.shtml << firsthand account of one of said 200 escapees.
00:28 assbot Uprising in Treblinka ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdmiXY )
00:28 pete_dushenski written in 1945 and presented before us congress.
00:28 asciilifeform does it mention the interesting detail re: the women ?
00:29 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm probably missing some nuances because... a decade ago
00:32 trinque I had a roommate who would sleepwalk on ambien
00:32 trinque started talking to me about the rollercoaster theme park he was at one night
00:32 trinque and other hilarious nonsense
00:33 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: just scanned it. account describes particular atrocities against women and babies, but doesn't specifically state that 700 "workers" who staged coup were mostly or entirely men.
00:34 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: alcohol sounds more fun.
00:34 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: It is
00:34 BingoBoingo trinque: The cognitive impairment if I remember correctly is at least equivalent to 750ml of 80 proof liquor
00:35 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: that they were men is no surprise of any kind. but the detail i recall was that they were men who either had no wife, no sister, in the camp (or knew that these were safely dead)
00:35 trinque BingoBoingo: yeah I took some for the hell of it
00:35 trinque felt disoriented, confused, but nothing worth repeating
00:36 BingoBoingo A couple years later I was at a conference I wanted to nope the fuck out of, had one left in my grooming package. Challenged the up escalator and lost. Thankfully my (actual) sherpa kept me from falling in the Chicago river
00:38 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation
00:38 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: seems like a tricky and rather specific detail to unearth about treblinka. may be apocryphal ?
00:39 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: may be.
00:39 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: also ties into mp's "married men should stfu" piece
00:39 pete_dushenski though most don't need to be told this, as spandrell points out.
00:40 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
00:40 asciilifeform bare courage gives you: zulu.
00:40 asciilifeform charging british 'maxim'
00:41 asciilifeform (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
00:41 pete_dushenski well, strategy's a thing.
00:42 pete_dushenski courage doesn't mean kamikaze in a port-a-potee
00:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu might disagree
00:42 pete_dushenski perhaps.
00:42 asciilifeform if saturday's thread is anything to go on
00:43 pete_dushenski ok so courage is necessary but not sufficient
00:43 pete_dushenski it's *all* the zulu had
00:44 funkenstein_ there may be things in the world not on your map
00:44 pete_dushenski there most certainly are.
00:44 funkenstein_ as someone who spend fathers day cleaning shit off lightbulbs, i look forward to the opportunity to disprove the thesis
00:44 asciilifeform if funkenstein_ has a secret map pointing out a kingdom of nuke-wielding zulu, he oughta share.
00:45 pete_dushenski lmao
00:45 funkenstein_ they show up in gibson's cyberspace don't they
00:45 * asciilifeform wonders how shit might end up on a light bulb
00:45 asciilifeform own a pet hippo ?
00:45 pete_dushenski funkenstein_: this'd be the thesis that family men have too much to lose to wage war ?
00:46 funkenstein_ that's the one
00:46 funkenstein_ compare e.g. mao and kai-shek
00:46 funkenstein_ at least from the histories i have read
00:46 funkenstein_ kai-shek had son captured by russians, was incapacitated
00:47 funkenstein_ mao, didn't give a flying fuck about kids
00:47 asciilifeform famously, fate of stalin's son
00:47 pete_dushenski funkenstein_: i suspect that a healthy chunk of b,tmsr~ is equally prepared to prove this wrong.
00:47 pete_dushenski the digital domain being quite a different landscape from the concentration camps, i suspect it's entirely possible.
00:48 pete_dushenski like the deficits that we can run, no one else can do.
00:48 asciilifeform i never grokked that part
00:48 asciilifeform by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer
00:48 pete_dushenski difference between voluntary and coerced taxation model is my understanding.
00:48 asciilifeform (are we simply mentally tallying unpaid specialist labour?)
00:49 asciilifeform who was coercively taxed to write linux kernel ?
00:50 pete_dushenski we're mentally tallying 'the state's' revenues vs. expenses
00:50 pete_dushenski revenues are decentalised and therefore 'off the book'
00:51 pete_dushenski expenses are 'for the greater good' and 'on the book'
00:51 asciilifeform just pointing out that herr torvalds could run the same kind of calculation, and end up with similarly fantastic numbers
00:51 asciilifeform of how many armadas could have been bought with the money he never had to pay
00:52 asciilifeform obligatory >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html <<
00:52 assbot Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdo3V5 )
00:52 funkenstein_ time to reveal my complete ignorance of lisp
00:52 asciilifeform funkenstein_: read link. not actually about lisp
00:53 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: torvalds might do just that if he saw the value of such a calculation and understood the implications
00:53 funkenstein_ ah, you are on topic :)
00:53 asciilifeform colour me thick, but i still don't feel like i have a grasp of the implications.
00:55 funkenstein_ he feels "tricked" to "give away work"?
00:55 pete_dushenski well you're far from thick and not all that coloured, but the implication is that for an organisation as ambitious as this one, our enemies have their work cut out for them.
00:55 asciilifeform digging up an old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-02-2015#1023860
00:55 assbot Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
00:56 asciilifeform ever wonder how this went away ?
00:56 asciilifeform the original generation of 'computers are interesting and we know basic maths, etc' grew old, mostly did not die yet except in ben franklin's sense of 'most people die at 25 but buried at 75'
00:57 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition
00:57 pete_dushenski as such, torvalds won't direct his unpaid armadas towards anything like the targets and projects that mp will.
00:57 asciilifeform but they went into the meatgrinder described in linked naggum piece.
00:58 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP
00:58 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%
00:58 asciilifeform anyone else having same experience as ben_vulpes ?
00:58 funkenstein_ doing useful work is hardly a meatgrinder
00:58 ben_vulpes i must be cocking this up in some novel way
00:59 asciilifeform funkenstein_: read the naggum piece again.
00:59 asciilifeform esp. the part re: 'is a surplus phenomenon'
01:01 funkenstein_ i'm not hugely impressed by his analysis
01:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00039824 = 18.5182 BTC [-] {4}
01:02 asciilifeform funkenstein_: would you be willing to share, roughly, how old you are ?
01:02 funkenstein_ this might apply to say, nethack coding
01:02 funkenstein_ but some things do have needs they address
01:03 funkenstein_ probably older than you, just not wiser
01:03 funkenstein_ due to various factors you may have already surmised
01:03 asciilifeform funkenstein_: so you oughta be well-equipped to understand the observation re: 'it costs a hell of a lot to live'
01:04 funkenstein_ ok i don't know norway.. but i think that needs a bit of sussing out
01:05 funkenstein_ he does mention "advanced society¨..
01:05 asciilifeform norway was considerably more expensive for naggum than for just about anyone
01:05 asciilifeform on account of how he ended up - literally - taxed to death
01:06 funkenstein_ ok that context does help thanks
01:06 asciilifeform (short version: he decided that he could easily live off the consulting pay from working a few months / year. no. gov. decided that he must be secretly working the remainder of the year, and demanded tax, which he could not afford to pay. was driven into penury and died of self-neglect from easily treatable diseases)
01:07 funkenstein_ it is an often discussed irony that technology decreases leisure time
01:07 asciilifeform but overall he was, i think, referring to the more prosaic fact that it costs a hell of a lot to ~not live like a 17 y.o. shit~
01:08 asciilifeform that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
01:08 asciilifeform this is even aside from the expensive things folks sometimes ~choose~ to do when they grow older, like producing children, etc
01:09 pete_dushenski children, traveling, cars, hobbies...
01:09 pete_dushenski it adds up quickly.
01:09 asciilifeform there are other 'costs' that aren't precisely monetary, like the fact that you can't do the 20 years where you became a serious specialist in something - over again
01:10 funkenstein_ the travel one rings true.
01:10 pete_dushenski ah yes, 'opportunity costs'
01:11 funkenstein_ damn in norway? that is surprising, from what i hear of social system there
01:12 funkenstein_ anyway, the irony is that he is.. while complaining about it.. donating his time to write the piece
01:12 funkenstein_ for us to discuss here now
01:12 asciilifeform funkenstein_: a usenet post (or, for that matter, me speaking here) is more like a fart
01:12 asciilifeform than 'donated time'
01:13 asciilifeform it doesn't soak up concentration of the kind that is a serious limited resource in a thinking person's day
01:13 funkenstein_ useful work
01:13 funkenstein_ you can't be serious
01:13 asciilifeform next time you're hungry, try eating this 'useful work'
01:13 funkenstein_ i'm sure you dream IRC
01:14 funkenstein_ I'll stick with oats and water
01:15 funkenstein_ I had a dream, something happenend in channel, and you or someone said "six months! right on schedule"
01:15 asciilifeform wasn't me
01:15 funkenstein_ hehe
01:15 * asciilifeform doesn't recall doing the 'six months' thing personally, either
01:15 funkenstein_ so it's a thing?
01:16 funkenstein_ i mean, past the excellent Yeshiva post
01:16 asciilifeform it was a maxim made up by either mircea_popescu or pete_dushenski (forgot who)
01:16 asciilifeform whereby a n00b 'must read log for 6 mo' before he can make any sense
01:16 funkenstein_ :D
01:16 funkenstein_ maybe that's what it was
01:16 * asciilifeform is still not certain that he 'makes sense' even today
01:16 funkenstein_ lol
01:16 * asciilifeform off to bed
01:17 funkenstein_ sleep well
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00039511 = 15.4883 BTC [-] {2}
01:17 pete_dushenski obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/
01:17 assbot IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdpYJ9 )
01:18 pete_dushenski where have the last 15 months gone ?
01:19 funkenstein_ maybe we will later complain, we were immature to give away our time? I don't think so.
01:21 pete_dushenski i've personally taken a lot more than i've given, at least intellectually.
01:21 pete_dushenski for that, i've received a hell of a deal.
01:23 pete_dushenski i couldn't imagine having spent the last year and a bit more productively, even if, yes, it wasn't free. but what of value is ?
01:25 funkenstein_ the whole shebang maybe?
01:26 pete_dushenski ?
01:26 funkenstein_ hawking said, the universe is the ultimate free lunch
01:26 funkenstein_ i think this whole cost analysis thing only makes sense to do in a specified context
01:27 pete_dushenski bbl.
01:27 funkenstein_ which is part of the problem with the naggum piece as well
01:27 funkenstein_ cheers
01:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69450 @ 0.0003901 = 27.0924 BTC [-] {2}
01:47 cazalla pete_dushenski, no auto approve for second comment onwards?
01:57 cazalla today is the winter solstice and gee it is fucking cold
02:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00040915 = 20.4166 BTC [+] {2}
02:00 mircea_popescu <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition << eh let's not exagerate, guy's been dealing with linux for two decades.
02:04 mircea_popescu "more efficient use of physical memory. All processes share the same physical pages for the code in the DSOs. With prelinking startup times for dynamically linked code is as good as that of statically linked code."
02:04 mircea_popescu retard put thios right after his two "security" "killer arguments" ?
02:05 mircea_popescu so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your ass the next day, no
02:05 mircea_popescu need to go buy a new car"
02:05 mircea_popescu at least they're brave.
02:08 mircea_popescu http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com.ar/2009/05/tribute.html << somewhat lulzy.
02:08 assbot Linux Hater's Blog: A tribute ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCCh50 )
02:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Ab 1996 arbeitete er für die Firma Cygnus Solutions. Von 1999 bis September 2010 war er dann Mitarbeiter des Linux-Distributors Red Hat. Seit Oktober 2010 arbeitet er für Goldman Sachs."
02:10 mircea_popescu see, why can't you be more like lloyd brown.
02:13 mircea_popescu also http://www.neowin.net/news/munich-germany-realizes-that-deploying-linux-was-a-disaster-going-back-to-windows lol
02:13 assbot Munich, Germany realizes that deploying Linux was a disaster, going back to Windows ... ( http://bit.ly/1SBWRkm )
02:13 ben_vulpes ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
02:13 gribble The operation succeeded.
02:14 * ben_vulpes is loath to apply wireshark to this
02:15 mircea_popescu you will have to somehow answer the question of "does it try to send"
02:16 ben_vulpes ahaha
02:16 ben_vulpes well first off there are no clients in the bitcoinchannels
02:17 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171698 <<< try 3 bottles :P
02:17 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 04:19:47; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
02:18 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes 01 to 99 ?
02:19 BingoBoingo cazalla: My CYP450 2D6 is too fast to try that. Converts it to its worst form too fast for a hellish peak (/me kinda also regrets spitting in a tube so USG could profile my dna to discover this)
02:21 ben_vulpes #bitcoin01,02,03,05,05,10,20,25,30,35,22
02:21 cazalla so what's that do, hasten the effects or increase them as well?
02:21 ben_vulpes confirmed that my node is actually connecting by hardcoding its connection room
02:22 ben_vulpes i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino
02:22 BingoBoingo cazalla: It hastens turining drug into more extreme version of the drug.
02:22 cazalla dxmo from memory
02:23 ben_vulpes i was going to script this, but a visual inspection seems to indicate no nodes on the irc.
02:23 BingoBoingo Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time
02:24 cazalla SWIM many years ago turned to research chems instead of cough syrup
02:24 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes now im curious.
02:25 ben_vulpes i tried this with both the IP addr for lfnet in the satoshi codebase and also the ip addr provided when loking up irc.lfnet.org
02:26 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: lemme know if i can answer anything for ya
02:26 ben_vulpes i'm appropriately burnt out on self-mgmt on this task for today, but can still turn cranks
02:26 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: it's okay, the toilet needs it.
02:27 ben_vulpes in other news, i named the car.
02:27 ben_vulpes "stella", for a favorite kids book "stella luna", because the car is a batmobile.
02:27 ben_vulpes !up mius
02:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48149 @ 0.00041294 = 19.8826 BTC [+] {2}
02:33 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1158322 << can only be resolved on a case-by-case basis, not ever at a larger scale i don't think.
02:33 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 16:53:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
02:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00040663 = 20.2705 BTC [-]
02:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yep, its dead.
02:36 mircea_popescu plenty of dogecoin chans with 1 user, two full chans of namecoin, 180 users, and otherwise an endless parade of scamcoins omfg, i never heard of most of 'em.
02:36 mircea_popescu and by "it's dead" i mostly mean lfnet. nothing there.
02:37 ben_vulpes evening, hanbot.
02:37 hanbot howdy
02:38 ben_vulpes mwell i'm pooped.
02:39 ben_vulpes (i had an icecream today - thought of the various ice creams in bsas)
02:39 BingoBoingo hanbot: Great piece on the Texas drama, congrats.
02:39 hanbot how'd it compare?
02:39 hanbot tyvm BingoBoingo!
02:40 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes productive day
02:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171526 << let's not get into which power rangers missed 5 btc because there's not poop on their magic markers.
02:41 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 03:01:25; BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
02:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171531 << you will note miners can do this NOW if they feel like it. there's exactly zero need for peter todd or anyone else to be involved.
02:42 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 03:03:11; ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
02:42 mircea_popescu some do, most don't, principally because it ain't worth the hassle.
02:42 mircea_popescu more gargle about the pies in the skies of our imaginary homeworld.
02:43 pete_dushenski cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
02:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00040336 = 18.9579 BTC [-]
02:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171545 << it's a more complicated problem than it seems to be (mostly because of the short timeframe involved and the layered nature of the mempool) and the miners are more technologically inept than one'd expect.
02:44 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 03:05:35; *: asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee
02:45 ben_vulpes i'm off.
02:45 mircea_popescu sleep well.
02:46 ben_vulpes harder every night but thanks
02:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171558 << this sounds a lot more professionally qualified than is the case. more like "i invented a novel inovative user-friendly streamlined buzzword-buzzword way to pick up aples : by their tail. can i has consulting gig ? watch my presentation on toilet paper theory."
02:48 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 03:07:57; asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
02:48 mircea_popescu academia sort of stuff.
02:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171593 << what's so wrong with recycling ?
02:51 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 03:31:44; asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
02:51 mircea_popescu it's what bacteria does for us!
02:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171598 << yes without anyone noticing. plants do it all the time. so do ants. so does water. trivial to design a bot that breaks up cement at the rate of a foot a year.
02:53 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 03:35:14; asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
02:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171681 << how do you even tell how tall he is ? by comparing with the pins ?
02:59 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 04:13:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
02:59 pete_dushenski proportions with surroudings, sure, including pins.
02:59 pete_dushenski surroundings*
03:01 pete_dushenski i'm guessing he's 5'10" - 5'11"
03:01 pete_dushenski http://www.coindesk.com/judge-rules-in-peer-to-peer-bitcoin-lending-lawsuit/ << fiat court tries to deal with fallout of btcjam scamming
03:01 assbot Judge Rules in Peer-to-Peer Bitcoin Lending Lawsuit ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdwsrA )
03:01 pete_dushenski !s btcjam
03:01 assbot 139 results for 'btcjam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=btcjam
03:04 mircea_popescu "You can predict the level of violence in an area just by looking at alcohol sales." << worst stupid ever.
03:04 mircea_popescu this is in fact a straight revival of 1880s us missionary cant.
03:05 mircea_popescu they were engaged in a political battle, at hte time, because they didn't like that the men, congregating in bars, decided elections.
03:05 mircea_popescu they wanted the women, congregating in churches, to decide elections instead.
03:05 mircea_popescu because they just so happened to have 0% survival changes in a bar, and ran churches.
03:06 mircea_popescu pretty much every failure of the us post gilded age can be traced to the losing of that battle. and no, giving women the vote was not a bad idea. great idea. but they should have burned the missionaries on a stake.
03:07 mircea_popescu "Have a daughter, not a son." << heh, mmmmkay.
03:13 * pete_dushenski just imagines white collar couple with bundle of female joy in tow citing such 'science' 'proving' the wisdom of their 'decision'
03:15 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171739 << riiight. maybe also figure out the patterns that make one go to heaven. go through the motions of being happy. play the harmonica, badly.
03:15 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 04:38:11; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation
03:15 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171476 << because parts are increasing in price ? i'm not seeing this with the w126. too many of them were produced, too many still on the road. parts are monumentally cheap.
03:15 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 02:41:52; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating
03:15 mircea_popescu if this pattern bullshit worked we wouldn't be stuck here with glibc. and that goes exactly to pete_dushenski "wisdom of decisions" thing above too
03:16 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171744 << it was the bare hands thing that won the war.
03:16 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 04:40:08; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
03:16 mircea_popescu what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
03:16 pete_dushenski and rakes iirc
03:17 pete_dushenski not *in* rakes, with.
03:17 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171747 << ask any of the women that either travel to zululand to be raped or out of there for lack of enthusiasm for the activity.
03:17 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 04:41:08; asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
03:17 mircea_popescu last i know nobody visits london for they currently alive there.
03:17 * pete_dushenski doesn't know why 'borrowed pants' is such a funny visual image.
03:17 mircea_popescu it is, isn't it ? :D
03:18 pete_dushenski lol yup !
03:19 pete_dushenski speaking of nothing, i've already dodged two of the four 'wedding bullets' between c4 and i. two scheduled for september already.
03:19 mircea_popescu now make them name the kids "Seven"
03:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171774 << linux has no money.
03:20 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 04:48:44; asciilifeform: by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer
03:20 mircea_popescu now that we're here, the argument can be brought. before, no.
03:25 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171800 << wait, you're actually discovering anything in the irc ?
03:25 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 04:58:26; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%
03:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00040336 = 17.3848 BTC [-]
03:27 pete_dushenski early morning ahead. bon soir !
03:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171822 << mno. "that is, that once one agrees with the braindamaged pretense that 'end to violence', he is forced to hypocritically reintroduce violence in a very complex form, which reduces to the bezzle, or in carlin's words, 'everyone's quest to stick it to the other guy faster and deeper'. and so he accepts your 50x inflated carrots because he wants to sell you 67x in
03:27 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 05:08:06; asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
03:27 mircea_popescu flated carrot cake.
03:28 mircea_popescu naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
03:28 mircea_popescu he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
03:28 mircea_popescu it is neither. it is the unseemly result of delusion shared by idiots.
03:29 mircea_popescu you have no business sitting at the poker table unless you intend to bluff, and you have no business living in norway unless you have a clear scam to apply to the government in mind.
03:30 mircea_popescu otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
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03:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "After Chorazycki's death our plan had to be postponed for several months because we had no qualified leader, and none of us wanted to take moral responsibility for an unsuccessful coup." << ye see ? what more dja want ?
03:53 punkman http://41.media.tumblr.com/48fe4c7b83b758bc5bac11656cde4929/tumblr_n89sgpySrZ1rphtnfo1_500.jpg
03:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1THdzjM )
03:53 mircea_popescu these abject nobodies, everything they thought they knew having not merely failed, but having been well proven to have failed beyond the shadowest shadow of a doubt,
03:53 mircea_popescu still exhibit vanity, in a laughable degree hard to put into words. worms, whose lives consist of being generally too low to piss on, think of their "moral responsibility".
03:54 mircea_popescu what more's needed ? broken in the fucking head, these people.
03:54 mircea_popescu what moral responsibility ? to whom, to what ?
03:55 mircea_popescu punkman i never saw that one.
03:57 punkman that cover is probably the best thing about it
04:02 punkman https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo08.pdf
04:08 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171933 <<< mebe cache issue, who knows
04:08 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 06:43:53; pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
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04:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42099 @ 0.00038916 = 16.3832 BTC [-] {2}
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05:08 cazalla looks like sexy saffron is doing ok for herself http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3amz0w/iama_pornographer_who_just_hit_10_million_views/
05:08 assbot Iama Pornographer who just hit 10 MILLION views on Pornhub! :) : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5p7be )
05:11 mircea_popescu wonder how much 10mn views is actually worth
05:11 mircea_popescu i suspect under 1k.
05:13 cazalla well she claims she and her partner are making more doing porn than their old jobs
05:14 punkman "If you record yourselves getting sexy whilst watching a video of yourselves getting it on while you are also watching a video of yourselves getting jiggy, then you can call it Cum-ception for the slam dunk of porn pun movies."
05:15 cazalla i imagine the tube sites are just a means to funnel people to their pay sites but 10 million views sounds better to the reddit crowd
05:17 punkman $500 if 5 cents per 1k views, and that's probably high for porn traffic
05:17 punkman maybe their paid stuff converts well though
05:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28125 @ 0.00039712 = 11.169 BTC [+]
05:21 cazalla to think indiancandy could've accumulated a similar amount of views if she only didn't piss around paying people to promote her instagram and got her clothes off willingly
05:25 mircea_popescu i recall paying 5cents per 1k. in 1998.
05:26 mircea_popescu shitty tube traffic ? i dunno that you could sell it at any price, a decade ago.
05:26 mircea_popescu cazalla saffron does have enthusiasm going for her, im sure she's doing ok.
05:27 mircea_popescu and i believe she;s making better money off sexual enthusiasm than off whatever pink collar career. but NOT because 10 trillion clicks.
05:30 cazalla meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
05:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00040336 = 11.6168 BTC [+]
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06:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 180 @ 0.00629999 = 1.134 BTC [+]
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06:57 punkman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_%28police_procedure%29
06:57 assbot Mr. Big (police procedure) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuJBVY )
06:57 shinohai With Bonus Pearl Necklace: https://i.imgur.com/aUKpuPu.jpg
06:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuJE4c )
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09:30 ben_vulpes grexit?
09:31 punkman not yet
09:31 mats nine more days
09:31 punkman it's been nine more days for years
09:33 mats b-but, this time...
09:34 mats http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html << TIL
09:34 assbot Greek Debt Crisis: How Goldman Sachs Helped Greece to Mask its True Debt - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpgucI )
09:36 punkman http://a-cha.ru/
09:36 assbot Бренд одежды Анна Чапман | Женская одежда ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rph4aE )
09:43 punkman "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications"
09:47 ben_vulpes http://www.farmhack.org
09:47 assbot Farm Hack ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rpjvd2 )
09:49 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: might be familiar with http://opensourcemachine.org/mm2html2/How_to_build_a_multimachine.html
09:49 assbot How_to_build_a_multimachine ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpjJRq )
09:51 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: mega-l0l
09:53 ben_vulpes "jungle conditions"
09:53 ben_vulpes plus huge existing infrastructure.
09:53 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: does your node hang after 'IRC got who' ?
09:53 asciilifeform because mine *NOW DOES*
09:53 ben_vulpes hey have you successfully procured a peer from irc?
09:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al ^
09:54 ben_vulpes myup.
09:54 ben_vulpes nobody in those channels.
09:54 asciilifeform this worked earlier
09:54 ben_vulpes of course
09:55 asciilifeform i mean, as late as 3 days ago..
09:55 ben_vulpes if you've not blown away addr.dat, yours should still work
09:55 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i blew it away just this minute specifically to test.
09:55 ben_vulpes (remind me again why all these bdb files are necessary?)
09:55 asciilifeform anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
09:56 ben_vulpes not it.
09:57 asciilifeform it does appear to follow from this discovery that: the other side is paying attention...
09:58 asciilifeform and that we need 1) own seeds 2) optionally, irc box 3) organized hunt for ungavinized seeds from planet as a whole, to seed (1) nodes with
09:59 ben_vulpes how can one identify an ungavinized node?
09:59 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: only approximately, by claimed version
10:01 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171876 << the 'address space randomization' thing is precisely 'teacher's condom' (as depicted in comic, https://xkcd.com/463 )
10:01 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 06:05:32; mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your a
10:01 assbot xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8OSt9 )
10:02 ben_vulpes could also do something wacky with usernames iin irc
10:03 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it appears to be (now) empty.
10:03 ben_vulpes it'd be trivial to fill it back up.
10:03 ben_vulpes proxy from the network proper into irc.
10:04 asciilifeform fill up ~our~ (not yet built) box, not random schmuck's
10:05 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
10:05 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:41; mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
10:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00040611 = 31.8187 BTC [+] {3}
10:06 asciilifeform yes, it was necessary. to buy time for the conveyors to start up.
10:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4320 @ 0.0004082 = 1.7634 BTC [+]
10:07 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171973 << pete_dushenski may be a little mislead by http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg
10:07 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:50; pete_dushenski: and rakes iirc
10:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpnWEU )
10:10 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171993 << well yes, the 'expense of civilized life' ~is~ 'treadmill'
10:10 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:09; mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
10:10 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s
10:10 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:36; mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
10:11 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...
10:11 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 07:30:48; mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
10:11 asciilifeform if someone would like to take a break from voodoo and put on engineer hat, i'd like to hear concrete notion of what naggum 'should have' done
10:12 asciilifeform as it was, he was not interested in going to africa to be arseraped. instead, 'drowned like a gentleman'
10:12 mats enlisted in a bezzlatron until pile of 'fuck you money'?
10:12 asciilifeform mats: he did this. and was dekulakized
10:12 asciilifeform because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?
10:12 mats was not a good little soldier, i take it.
10:13 asciilifeform that pile is not yours by virtue of having your name on it. it belongs to apex predator
10:13 asciilifeform which in naggum's case was oslo regime
10:13 mats sure. thats why you eat his heart.
10:13 asciilifeform go, eat. it's still there.
10:14 mats i vaguely recall Naggum swimming in SF bay... there is more than one bezzlatron to be had
10:14 asciilifeform mats: notice that he did not stay there. and, though all i have to work with is his writings, i believe i've a good handle on ~why~
10:15 asciilifeform my understanding is that he didn't want to work with the profoundly retarded on retarded things
10:16 mats he didn't want to live badly enough, then.
10:16 asciilifeform and did not care for the blunt knives mandatorily issued to tards
10:17 asciilifeform mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died
10:17 asciilifeform the basic question from the thread was, i think, the ~why~ of why he did not want.
10:18 mats man had some profound sense that he was not a slave like the rest of us
10:18 mats could not bear it. died.
10:21 asciilifeform https://web.archive.org/web/20150209100751/http://open.salon.com/blog/kent_pitman/2010/01/08/erik_naggum_on_atlas_shrugged << material which sheds some light on 'naggum in usa'
10:21 assbot Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rpr5EE )
10:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15361 @ 0.00040445 = 6.2128 BTC [-]
10:27 asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << re: the particular kind of intellectual rape that naggum had his fill of, before deciding that he'd like to put an ocean between himself and 'silicon valley'
10:27 assbot Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Sifb )
10:33 asciilifeform i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'
10:33 asciilifeform just as i don't care for it.
10:33 asciilifeform or i'd be in that dumpster even now
10:34 mats on the other hand, i'm mentally preparing myself for a dive into the dumpster in a few short years
10:34 asciilifeform (saw not a few pretty eligible dumpsters in buenos aires)
10:41 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you as a hobo?!? this i could never picture.
10:41 asciilifeform http://cdn5.img.sputniknews.com/images/101561/27/1015612776.jpg << another 'choice' naggum didn't much care for
10:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8UjYW )
10:41 asciilifeform thestringpuller: to paraphrase herr trotsky on war, 'you may not be interested in life as a hobo, but life as a hobo is interested in you'
10:42 thestringpuller hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
10:44 asciilifeform jungle, islands are waiting for thestringpuller.
10:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29272 @ 0.00038885 = 11.3824 BTC [-] {3}
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11:26 williamdunne Lol rekt
11:26 williamdunne http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8478-transphobic-admin-should-be-removed-from-website/#entry209291
11:26 assbot Transphobic admin should be removed from website - Their posting careers! - My Posting Career ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGYUzo )
11:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43693 @ 0.00040251 = 17.5869 BTC [-]
11:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124950 @ 0.00040969 = 51.1908 BTC [+] {6}
11:32 williamdunne Do we have a whaleclub here?
11:34 williamdunne WhaleClub PM me
11:38 mats ?
11:39 williamdunne Someone else trying to join #b-a, me and DPB were walking them through it
11:45 williamdunne !up Drhelmut
11:46 williamdunne Hello Drhelmut
11:46 williamdunne !getrating Drhelmut
11:46 williamdunne !gettrust Drhelmut
11:46 assbot Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Drhelmut: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Drhelmut | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Drhelmut/
11:46 williamdunne !rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS
11:46 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f0f06aaa1fff124d
11:46 williamdunne !v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Drhelmut.1:7824382e16d8b0c5914689b09080ccfaf283ee00501b1b159679e7f76bdf2979
11:46 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for Drhelmut with note: WhaleClub TS
11:47 Drhelmut Hellow
11:48 Drhelmut Thank you William.
11:48 williamdunne V.welcome, so outside of TS what are you?
11:49 Drhelmut a french bitcoiner
11:49 Drhelmut former minecraft server owner, sold months ago and going to do bitcoin services in france
11:50 Drhelmut I made some studies in law too
11:52 mats lopl teamspeak
11:52 mats what do you talk about
11:53 Drhelmut ?
11:53 mats what sorts of things are discussed in this 'whaleclub ts' thing
11:54 Drhelmut lots of
11:54 Drhelmut basically trading
11:54 Drhelmut and lots of stuff around bitcoin
11:54 ben_vulpes whaleclub?
11:54 mats ok
11:54 Drhelmut yep
11:54 ben_vulpes bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
11:54 Drhelmut I'm the host of the whaleclub teamspeak
11:55 mats to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around
11:55 Drhelmut lol, have you already been there?
11:56 mats i have not read good things about it from asseteers
11:57 Drhelmut how surprisin'
11:57 mats didn't intend to be rude, carry on
11:57 Drhelmut well, in fact I don't care that much
11:58 Drhelmut all exchanges are taking it seriously
11:58 Drhelmut we already got lot of important people on it
11:59 Drhelmut lot of people just hating the name, not the place
12:02 chetty teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
12:02 williamdunne For what its worth, I enjoyed the teamspeak
12:02 ben_vulpes important people, eh? like whom?
12:03 ben_vulpes williamdunne: dat mpcdot
12:03 Drhelmut Shrem, Jessy from kraken
12:03 Drhelmut nejc from stamp
12:04 williamdunne ben_vulpes: the mpcdot is hilarious
12:04 chetty sure sounds like it would annoying, and no way to go read logs at your leisure
12:04 Drhelmut we're just offering the place for people to discuss
12:04 ben_vulpes the guy who rolled over for the feds and the feds pet exchangemaker they couldn't even pay?
12:04 Drhelmut it's public eh
12:04 ben_vulpes moreover, how do i know it's actually either of the entities in question and not impersonators?
12:05 Drhelmut :D
12:05 Drhelmut we don't need it
12:05 Drhelmut If you just don't believe it, don't come, we don't need it.
12:05 ben_vulpes i live and die by asynchronous comms, so i'll not be there.
12:06 ben_vulpes the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
12:06 Drhelmut we have our own verifiying system
12:06 ben_vulpes go on...
12:06 Drhelmut but that's a good idea, I'll try to see if we can link Wot with TS
12:07 ben_vulpes is it...8 characters of mixed casing?
12:07 Drhelmut you can watch some vix work https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq80JcdkGyF4k6YLxttQYKw
12:07 assbot BTCVIX VIX - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J01u3e )
12:08 Drhelmut Vix is an admin
12:09 Drhelmut Just remind, we have nothing to sell so why lying about that?
12:09 Drhelmut I don't get it.
12:09 ben_vulpes your english is a bit lacking.
12:09 Drhelmut I know
12:09 Drhelmut sorry for that
12:10 ben_vulpes you seem to be attempting to purchase some attention. nobody here is selling.
12:11 Drhelmut I'm not purchasing anything, I just answer to your doubts and questions
12:11 ben_vulpes what does herr kraken think about the blocksize change?
12:11 williamdunne ben_vulpes: Its more of a friendly place to discuss trading, as opposed to a place for actual business to occur
12:12 williamdunne Not that there is anything wrong with either model, its just what they are
12:13 Naphex Drhelmut: do you have ads on whaleclub ?;]
12:13 Drhelmut nop
12:14 williamdunne Outside of it being a good place to speak to potential customers if you're an exchange
12:14 williamdunne Not that you're charged for that
12:15 ben_vulpes man if as an exchange operator you're actually enticing customers one-by-one...
12:16 williamdunne Teamspeak isn't for one-on-one communication and some of the traders there are high volume
12:16 williamdunne Its more of a shotgun type thing
12:16 williamdunne !up Drhelmut
12:17 Drhelmut and you don't need to be voiced each 30 min :D
12:17 Drhelmut that's borring from here
12:17 fluffypony the real downside to this Teamspeak stuff is the inability to search historical data
12:17 punkman "discuss trading" << I don't get why this would be desirable, beyond telling each other "o hey buttstamp book crossed again"
12:17 fluffypony Drhelmut: I don't have to be voiced every 30 minutes
12:18 Drhelmut yeah but as a newcomer I have to.
12:18 williamdunne Drhelmut: You only need to be voiced every 30 minutes if you're not in Assbot's L"
12:18 williamdunne *L2
12:18 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172185 < lol yeah they are about the same... btw charlie has net in jail??
12:18 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 16:03:35; Drhelmut: Shrem, Jessy from kraken
12:18 williamdunne !gettrust assbot williamdunne
12:18 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=williamdunne | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
12:19 Drhelmut shrem was here before going to jail
12:19 kakobrekla soliciting for a biz that went to shit a week later
12:19 Drhelmut was just chillin'
12:20 Naphex Still looking to place ad spots for xotika.tv , if you're intersted privmsg
12:21 kakobrekla bitbet has infinite amount of banner slots!
12:21 Drhelmut we also had some 21 insider info https://soundcloud.com/elux-1/21-inc-embedded-engineer-on-whaleclub-teamspeak
12:21 assbot 21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )
12:21 Drhelmut was on the reddit hotpage when it was out
12:21 williamdunne Naphex: Bulk cheap advertising on porn-tube sites?
12:21 williamdunne Eugh, guess bitcoin might be too much of a niche
12:21 Naphex not yet, more like bitcoin targeted
12:22 williamdunne Yeah I guess
12:22 williamdunne What are your fees to the models?
12:22 williamdunne Well, commission I guess is more accurate
12:22 kakobrekla plan on gettin nekkid?
12:23 williamdunne But why male models?
12:23 kakobrekla whale models?
12:23 * williamdunne is not actually overweight
12:23 kakobrekla as the ts guise
12:23 kakobrekla ask
12:23 williamdunne For the right price, yeah I'd get nekkid on camera
12:23 williamdunne Everyone has their price
12:24 Drhelmut ?
12:24 williamdunne Drhelmut: Naphex launched a live cam porn site Xotika.tv, hence our discussion
12:25 Drhelmut uh. cool.
12:25 kakobrekla Drhelmut williamdunne is looking for a new job
12:25 Drhelmut ^^
12:25 Naphex :))
12:25 Drhelmut g2g
12:25 Drhelmut Whaleclub isn't bad m'kay
12:25 williamdunne Aha
12:25 williamdunne Seeya
12:25 kakobrekla im sure its amazing
12:25 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
12:28 williamdunne http://dpaste.com/1NV1712
12:28 assbot dpaste: 1NV1712: http://facebook.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpBJg6 )
12:28 williamdunne Ah, doesn't work
12:28 kakobrekla what are you trying to do?
12:28 punkman http://www.onguardonline.gov/blog/paying-bitcoins
12:28 assbot Before paying with bitcoins… | OnGuard Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpBOjH )
12:32 williamdunne I was seeing if assbot would then grab the title for facebook.com
12:32 williamdunne If it did you could create a loop
12:32 assbot im silly, but not that silly.
12:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107120 @ 0.00041582 = 44.5426 BTC [+] {2}
12:34 williamdunne Ahaha
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88680 @ 0.00042064 = 37.3024 BTC [+] {4}
12:34 williamdunne Woah
12:34 williamdunne That MPEX price
12:35 williamdunne What happened while I was away?!
12:42 punkman ;;ticker
12:42 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.25, Best ask: 246.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 246.3, 24 hour volume: 19300.03816571, 24 hour low: 241.09, 24 hour high: 247.94, 24 hour vwap: None
12:42 ben_vulpes !up JorgePasada
12:43 JorgePasada :-)
12:43 ben_vulpes hey buddy
12:43 JorgePasada Hey man, how goes?
12:48 ben_vulpes it's live
12:48 ben_vulpes life*&
12:48 ben_vulpes arbeit macht frei
12:53 jurov how i misread the log: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee with cadavers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
12:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35088 @ 0.00040589 = 14.2419 BTC [-]
12:59 punkman http://www.megaprocessor.com/index.html
13:00 assbot HomePage ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9f1rG )
13:00 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:00 ascii_field punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.
13:02 ascii_field williamdunne: rss plz ?
13:04 williamdunne ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:
13:05 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172197 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 << giga-l0l!
13:05 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:22; ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
13:05 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
13:07 ben_vulpes tera
13:10 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171883 < that's microsoft's fud and it never actually took place
13:10 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 06:13:01; mircea_popescu: also http://www.neowin.net/news/munich-germany-realizes-that-deploying-linux-was-a-disaster-going-back-to-windows lol
13:11 ascii_field in other news, http://i.imgur.com/npdXfo5.gifv
13:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0dulh )
13:12 punkman ascii_field: what kind of machine is he operating
13:12 ascii_field possibly a slot bandit
13:16 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170728 << i have found out that most implementations just send localhost or 0.0.0.0 and it's widely accepted
13:16 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 03:27:06; mod6: who knows why satoshi put that in there. i kinda find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have understood IP headers. perhaps he was trying to ensure that every connecting node was indeed a real host, not some spoofed packet magic.
13:16 ben_vulpes shitting in the corner?
13:17 ben_vulpes jurov: so nodes on the other end of the connection don't actually use the IP sent in the message protocol?
13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88250 @ 0.00038591 = 34.0566 BTC [-] {2}
13:18 kakobrekla !up Drhelmut
13:19 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 < wait how does this actually work?
13:19 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
13:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00037965 = 12.2057 BTC [-] {2}
13:26 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172241 << wtf, audio ?!!!
13:26 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 16:21:19; assbot: 21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )
13:27 punkman writing, ain't nobody got time for that
13:27 kakobrekla or reading
13:28 trinque thought whaleclub might be fatties
13:28 trinque my mistake
13:30 ascii_field http://cryptome.org/2015/06/pdf-suspicious.htm << lulzies
13:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6HWM0 )
13:32 jurov ben_vulpes they may use getpeerinfo(sock) instead
13:34 jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/protocol.cpp#0203 << looks like it's checked against this and used if passes, otherwise ignored
13:34 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/protocol.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0iypC )
13:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35278 @ 0.00037954 = 13.3894 BTC [-]
13:37 williamdunne kakobrekla: It's a very informal system they have
13:50 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34933 @ 0.00037938 = 13.2529 BTC [-] {2}
13:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172311 << depends what you mean by 'accepted.' it, as i understand, breaks seeding.
13:51 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 17:16:14; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170728 << i have found out that most implementations just send localhost or 0.0.0.0 and it's widely accepted
13:51 ascii_field (as in, you get to keep your connection, sure, but you don't get advertised as a seed)
13:55 jurov guess they don't care about that
14:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.000412 = 18.7048 BTC [+] {2}
14:03 ascii_field in other news, re: old thread ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162224 ) i found an eeprom burner with acceptable (reverse-engineered) linux support: 'minipro' by autoelectric corp. (cn)
14:03 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 19:47:39; ascii_field: in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
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14:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00042028 = 2.4565 BTC [+]
14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67644 @ 0.00042028 = 28.4294 BTC [+]
14:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172026 << that's fo sho.
14:37 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 09:30:38; cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
14:38 mircea_popescu mostly on account of their "pros" consisting of NOT being sexually enthusiastic, and imagining that they can substitute self importance for it.
14:47 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:47 ascii_field in other 'news', it's been what, ~7 years, and libpng thing is ~still~ biting
14:47 ascii_field ~someone~ was responsible for that.
14:49 mircea_popescu heh
14:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172033 << she's as ugly as a pack of stray dogs.
14:59 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 10:57:50; shinohai: With Bonus Pearl Necklace: https://i.imgur.com/aUKpuPu.jpg
15:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172065 << when ? got any logs of anything ?
15:00 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 13:54:22; asciilifeform: this worked earlier
15:01 mircea_popescu they seem utterly dead.
15:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172071 << perpetually.
15:01 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
15:02 mircea_popescu 2) optionally, irc box << i don't see that we need it. irc is dead, it was stupid to begin with, time to put it to sleep.
15:02 ascii_field it was begging for bullet for years
15:02 mircea_popescu (peer over irc acquisition never worked worth a shit - the reason it was moved off freenode for instance is that it needed a special ircd to have even a vague chance)
15:02 ascii_field what's special in that one
15:02 mircea_popescu but i am very much perturbed by your proposition that it worked until recently. to what degree worked ?
15:02 ascii_field i'm not seeing any oddities
15:03 mircea_popescu can you say, count all the peers you ever got off irc ?
15:03 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i got peers from it
15:03 ascii_field ever since i've snipped out the gavindns seeds & the hardcoded seeds from my own tree
15:03 mircea_popescu did you actually do a full sync that was throughout dependent on irc as sole primary peer source ?
15:04 ascii_field one full sync and several partial (into the high 200k's)
15:04 mircea_popescu ascii_field iirc the problem was something about how /who flooded the client. so they made a limit so it only shows 100 entries
15:04 ascii_field (terminated through no fault of their own, simply because wanted to start from scratch when testing patches)
15:04 mircea_popescu but then botched it and it always showed the same 100
15:04 mircea_popescu which then flooded the clients in question so they stopped working
15:04 ascii_field l0l!
15:04 mircea_popescu ikr?
15:04 ascii_field this almost certainly stopped being a problem ages ago
15:04 ascii_field as the thing (mostly) died
15:04 mircea_popescu aha.
15:05 mircea_popescu still, special.
15:05 ascii_field so irc on butcher block?
15:05 mircea_popescu can you discern from whence you sit if the following is a possible explanation : you got now and again (rarely) a peer, which gave you its lists of peers, which is how you actually synced.
15:05 mircea_popescu irc on butcher block.
15:06 ascii_field well of course that's how i synced
15:06 * ascii_field whets knife
15:06 mircea_popescu so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes.
15:06 ascii_field quite possibly.
15:07 ascii_field i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
15:07 mircea_popescu aye.
15:07 ascii_field which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
15:08 mircea_popescu i will provide no less than three, on physically separate machines, provided this can actually be made to work. which depends on excellent documentation.
15:08 ascii_field mircea_popescu: do you presently have a system where the thing builds ?
15:09 mircea_popescu i've not presently seen a package.
15:09 mircea_popescu the targed is something like what was done for eulora.
15:09 mircea_popescu ie, http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora
15:09 assbot Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwJBct )
15:09 mircea_popescu but! if you're willing to go into the grease, s.nsa server can be the first of those three.
15:11 ascii_field probably ought to be.
15:11 mircea_popescu well if you get it to run, identical instances can be spun up, so. there is that.
15:12 ascii_field will build it there as soon as the last round of amputation, referenced earlier, is complete
15:12 ascii_field and the result posted to ml
15:12 mircea_popescu alrightythen
15:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00042231 = 4.9833 BTC [+]
15:17 mircea_popescu aannnd speaking of eulora, http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/foxystore.html lol
15:17 assbot Foxy's Useful Items ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwL3f8 )
15:19 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172085 <<< i was discussing the 38-43ish period.
15:19 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 14:05:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
15:19 mircea_popescu yes, by 44 they were doing okay, as far as everyone in europe was doing ok after five years of war.
15:19 mircea_popescu and yes by 1955ish they were almost on par with the post-war us, on accounts of not being saddled with the baby bloomers.
15:20 mircea_popescu but a) it all lasted as long as the sputnik and b) i forget what i wanted to be b.
15:21 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172095 << was he ever part of a "criminal gang" running guns in ehtiopia ? ever a terrorist in kabul ?
15:21 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 14:10:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s
15:22 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172097 << on this matter there can scarcely be any debate.
15:22 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 14:11:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...
15:22 ascii_field mircea_popescu: he was not ever, afaik, a puffer fish, either
15:22 mircea_popescu to his detriment.
15:22 * ascii_field applies for puffer fish detail
15:23 mircea_popescu specialisation is not the unilaterally superlative good it is presented as.
15:23 mircea_popescu specialisation is, much akin to geting used to narrow spaces, a necessary evil.
15:23 mircea_popescu not more necessary than the goods it actually provides are.
15:23 ascii_field no shit
15:23 mircea_popescu in current environs, not necessary at all.
15:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172103 << ehehe. eternal mechanism. "here, have a lot of money, think it's yours so you offload your mental balance, but let it be still ours so we offload ours!"
15:24 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 14:12:53; asciilifeform: because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?
15:24 mircea_popescu bezzle at the core.
15:25 mircea_popescu adults do this sometimes with children, pretend-give them things to motivate them "for their own good".
15:25 ascii_field and on top of this, my understanding is that herr naggum was considerably 'more pashtun' than i
15:25 mircea_popescu doubt the comparison "more pashtun than x" can be declared in scopes where nobody's killed anyone for honor.,
15:26 ascii_field sure it can
15:26 mircea_popescu in any case the actual pashtuns might be nonplussed by the proposition.
15:26 ascii_field doubtless
15:26 ascii_field meant shorthand as 'less of a doomed child of specialization and overcivilization in general'
15:26 mircea_popescu is he more convergent than you, also ? can you apply CBS to your own monotony "to some degree" ?
15:26 ascii_field l0l
15:26 mircea_popescu im not sure that less exists.
15:28 mircea_popescu anyway, to formalize a positive form for this, not merely the negative :
15:29 mircea_popescu i propose to you that a team of two people selected from five that are only informed in general computer sanity can produce in the same time better software than the sum of all five, each schooled in one specialisation : sysadmin, webdev, db management, ux and marketing.
15:29 mircea_popescu yes, this means that three people out of five would starve. guess what ? four of five starve now.
15:30 ascii_field then i ask mircea_popescu, as best proof of this conjecture, to supply two people who know arse from elbow re: therealbitcoin from this pool
15:30 mircea_popescu nonspecialisation would be strictly a better outcome. the only problem with it is that it relies on falsifying the "we are all human" dogma.
15:30 mircea_popescu clearly only two out of the five are human.
15:30 mircea_popescu haha.
15:30 mircea_popescu no, the two would pointedly NOT know it.
15:31 ascii_field not specifically
15:31 ascii_field but, say, able to tell arse from elbow after, say, a month or two
15:31 mircea_popescu eh get out. mod6 and jurov. what now ?
15:31 mircea_popescu and i can keep picking pairs.
15:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32947 @ 0.00042231 = 13.9138 BTC [+]
15:31 ascii_field and these are supposed to be folks with 'only general sense of sanity' ?
15:32 ascii_field iirc both have programmed for money their whole lives
15:32 mircea_popescu i dunno... iirc mod6 couldn't get the laptop to open last i saw him :D
15:32 mircea_popescu something about the lock not being bsd or what was it
15:33 ascii_field likewise, when mircea_popescu has occasion to visit a doctor, does he visit an 'obsolete' specialist, or just some fella who had a 'general sense of sanity' and decided, on a weekend lark, to open an anatomy book for an hour or two ?
15:33 mircea_popescu last time i visited a doctor, it was doctor levy
15:33 mircea_popescu i was about six, and my parents somehow had found an old jew - complete with chained pocketwatch - to be my personal physician
15:34 mircea_popescu he was very much what i describe (not really what you charicaturize, obviously)
15:34 ascii_field lucky then, that mircea_popescu did not need a doctor.
15:34 mircea_popescu lucky indeed.
15:34 mircea_popescu but i have some, however marginal, hope - that by the time i actually do, one might actually exist.
15:34 mircea_popescu for otherwise, as the romanian expression goes, "nu ma prea vad in clar"
15:34 ascii_field !b 9
15:35 assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TR4CZQ.txt )
15:36 ascii_field mircea_popescu might be a fan of the famous heinlein quote re: specialization ?
15:37 ascii_field http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpecializationIsForInsects << top of page
15:37 assbot Specialization Is For Insects ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwOVN0 )
15:37 thestringpuller was thinking about you in traffic this morning ascii_field
15:38 thestringpuller thought to myself, "ascii has to deal with this shit for 4 hours a day. no use in my gettin' upset"
15:38 ascii_field thestringpuller: closer to 2 on avg.
15:39 thestringpuller that's my mentors favorite quote btw ascii_field
15:40 mircea_popescu ascii_field i dunno about insects, but it is certainly a cheap if ineffectual way to assuage one's feelings of inadequacy.
15:40 mircea_popescu then you get jwz's all over.
15:40 mircea_popescu they're all specialists, and all in something else.
15:40 mircea_popescu consequently nobody's responsible for anything and whatever.
15:41 ascii_field can we distinguish shit from shinola, even if only to the extend of admitting the existence of shinola ?
15:41 ascii_field jwz != perelman
15:41 mircea_popescu sure.
15:41 mircea_popescu but to their wives, they're interchangeable.
15:41 mircea_popescu hence - divorce.
15:42 * ascii_field doesn't recall perelman so much as threatening to have a wife
15:42 mircea_popescu to their waiter - which they don't have - to their doctor - which idem - to their life, whatever it means, they're interchangeable.
15:42 ascii_field i must confess that ^ makes literally no sense to me
15:43 ascii_field why would they be interchangeable to their wives (supposing each had a wife) ?
15:43 mircea_popescu ok. lety's walk through the path.
15:43 mircea_popescu guy is 3. he is easily the equal of anything life throws his way. master of his destiny, the three year old roars.
15:44 mircea_popescu a decade passes, and the thirteen year old is confronted with the sad circumstance that hanna likes basketball players and rachel likes football players, and to become either you gotta talk to the respective coach, and the coach says you gotta spend all your time practicing. well... he can't readily spend all his time twice over.
15:44 thestringpuller what about guy who is on all the teams?
15:45 mircea_popescu at which point, guy specializes, and takes rachel. another guy, coming later, takes hanna. for less effort, but lesser pickings. and so with everyone.
15:45 thestringpuller guy who has letter jacket from baseball, basketball and football.
15:45 thestringpuller couldn't he date hanna and rachel at same time?
15:45 mircea_popescu then a kid from australia comes by, wants to play tennis, and well... none of the boys can play. because... mind you... not their speciality.
15:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47761 @ 0.00041888 = 20.0061 BTC [-] {2}
15:46 mircea_popescu given the lure of exotism, the only stable result here is where australia is a terrorist regime and all the guys sit around discussing immigration reform.
15:46 mircea_popescu you ever seen birthday girl ascii_field ?
15:47 ascii_field nope
15:47 ascii_field what was it
15:47 mircea_popescu an excelent film, see it sometime. the plot is that a russian whore (which just means woman in her 20s) sells herself off to an english eunuch
15:47 mircea_popescu (which just means man in his 20s)
15:48 mircea_popescu she, of course, has a boy back home. and that boy... comes to check her out.
15:48 mircea_popescu the way this movie is generally perceived is "oh, russian mob and mail order bride scam". nothing of the kind. the russian boy is pretty much playing it by the ear,
15:48 mircea_popescu and there's a most endeering scheme where he and the current guy his girl is ... with, let's say, walk in the woods.
15:49 mircea_popescu and the russian tries to talk to the brit. plainly, man to man. it involves some kickjumps in the vegetation. the other backs off like a cat from a calendar.
15:49 mircea_popescu it all goes to shit, but ~after~ that.
15:50 mircea_popescu why exactly can't a random english kid talk the basic language of the other ?
15:50 ascii_field because orc ?
15:50 mircea_popescu what is this orc.
15:50 ascii_field is this yet another 'humans good, orcs bad' yarn
15:50 mircea_popescu yes, each thinks the other an orc.
15:50 ascii_field because those are a snore
15:50 mircea_popescu i just liked that scene. also nicole kidman.
15:51 mircea_popescu it demands an explanation. WHY is it that the brit can't talk to the other ? he DID actually come in peace.
15:51 mircea_popescu up until that point, the big reveal (for him), where he discovers that his inferiority complex to "civilisation" is unfounded.
15:51 mircea_popescu you recall the amply discussed "soviet realisation". the funny thing is, those people's sons had... a very similar realisation.
15:51 mircea_popescu except this time, re the west.
15:52 ascii_field aha.
15:52 mircea_popescu just how fucking hard is it to speak another's language ?
15:52 ascii_field today you will find open discussion among thinking ru sphere folks, that 'islamic picture of western civ is essentially correct'
15:52 mircea_popescu im not talking, previously, against specialisation in the anti intellectual, acultural manner you seem to have taken in.
15:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10613 @ 0.00040949 = 4.3459 BTC [-]
15:53 mircea_popescu i merely speak of this : that when baker tells you a joke about yeast, you'd better fucking get it and laugh.
15:53 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:53 mircea_popescu i have no doubt it is essentially correct, which is why i speak for isis more than i speak for the usg.
15:53 mircea_popescu if it was backwards i'd speak backwards.
15:53 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> something about the lock not being bsd or what was it << lol :D
15:53 * ascii_field re: yeast laugh: graps that mircea_popescu is speaking the basic frustration of every polymath on planet 3 when confronting numbskulls
15:54 mircea_popescu mod6 :p
15:54 mircea_popescu how much fucking polymacy does it take to get a fucking joke!
15:54 mircea_popescu "oh no, we could never do that, WE'RE SPECIALIZED!!1"
15:54 mircea_popescu fuck you then.
15:54 ascii_field the basic minimal quota adult male circa, say, 1930, shipped from the factory with
15:54 mircea_popescu i guess.
15:55 ascii_field ~that~ kind of 'specialized' can go straight to the biodiesel pot, yes
15:55 ascii_field it is, at least partly, why i left academia
15:55 ascii_field i.e. having to be in the same elevator as those people.
15:55 mircea_popescu i can see it.
15:55 * mircea_popescu was blessed with an early life in a land with no elevators
15:55 mircea_popescu thinkaboutit.jpg
15:56 williamdunne The women in Romania were beautiful, but I think Czech Republic had it beat out
15:57 chetty large buildings (with elevators) look remarkably like beehives
15:57 mircea_popescu williamdunne generally agreed upon fact.
15:58 williamdunne Jesus Christ though, when I met the person at the bank I'd been working with for the past few months though..
15:58 williamdunne Holy shit
15:58 williamdunne Just wow
15:58 mircea_popescu chetty oh, and no "access control" either. as late as 1988 you cvould just fucking WALK INTO the super-secret-only-not-military-because-the-smart-kids-hated-corporals itci
15:58 mircea_popescu ie, the place working to make missile controls and whatnot.
15:58 mircea_popescu williamdunne nailedher ?
15:58 williamdunne Christ I wish
15:58 mircea_popescu nuts. what do you wish ?
15:58 williamdunne I'm too babyfaced to do any damage
15:58 mircea_popescu didja ask her ?
15:58 ascii_field mircea_popescu: we had elevators. which didn't work. fun on 15th floor
15:59 mircea_popescu ascii_field see this is it, 4 floors everywhere.
15:59 williamdunne "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"
15:59 mircea_popescu made the butts better at any rate.
15:59 trinque williamdunne: there may be better strategies
15:59 trinque lol
15:59 mircea_popescu williamdunne if you're that kind, which i hadn't judged you for. else, "wanna go for a bite after work ?"
15:59 williamdunne Aha
16:00 williamdunne Yeah not that kind
16:00 williamdunne Maybe I should have tried, sure I'll be there again soonish though
16:00 williamdunne Still, being a babyfaced 18 year old isn't a good starting point
16:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38017 @ 0.00040878 = 15.5406 BTC [-] {2}
16:01 chetty never know if you dont try, really nothing to lose
16:01 mircea_popescu ascii_field but to round it off : i am unimpressed with that utter fear of all usian pencildicks, "omg prison". seriously, lifetime pension ? tyvm. i am also unimpressed with the "difficulties" of "orcs" aka niggers in the us. i have never had a problem making sense of them or the reverse. and THIS is why i say the flight to suburbus is a purely sexual problem.
16:01 mircea_popescu there is a deep link between sex and communication, not least of all because sex is the communication of biological material.
16:01 mircea_popescu williamdunne wouldja stop trying to make her decisions for her ?
16:02 mircea_popescu not your fucking job. specialize already.
16:02 williamdunne Get your point
16:02 mircea_popescu "we reject gender specialisation, which is not something anyone asked us about - to focus on professional specialization, which is both impossible and counterproductive"
16:02 trinque williamdunne: I recall working IT at a hotel in FL when I was 19
16:02 trinque I'm sure I was "babyfaced"
16:03 mircea_popescu is this slang for pimplefaced or something ?
16:03 ascii_field so when will mircea_popescu be getting on the u.s. prison plane ?
16:03 trinque chick who was my boss seemed overly friendly, went ahead and chatted her up one day after work
16:03 trinque fucked her for a couple months thereafter
16:03 ascii_field there is probably a nice lifetime pension reserved for him here
16:03 trinque learned a lot :D
16:03 funkenstein_ the orcs are the pigs, the stormtroopers. right right?
16:03 mircea_popescu ascii_field well i plan to shoot a few schmucks first. so just as soon as they can line up enough schmucks willing to be shot.
16:04 williamdunne mircea_popescu: It means young looking
16:04 mircea_popescu that's a drawback ?!
16:04 williamdunne noice
16:04 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Young as in 15
16:04 williamdunne Not young as if in pre-30s
16:04 chetty jailbait
16:04 mircea_popescu i still dun see it.
16:04 williamdunne Pretty much
16:05 mircea_popescu williamdunne they dont have sex jail in the czech republic.
16:05 williamdunne This was in Bucharest, but yeah
16:05 williamdunne I more meant it as a negative in terms of attraction
16:05 williamdunne (Example babyfaced mugshot)
16:05 williamdunne http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4693413.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Lewis-Daynes.jpg
16:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwU73q )
16:06 mircea_popescu lol got your own ?
16:06 williamdunne Aha, nope, thats not me
16:07 mircea_popescu anyway, eastern europe bank strategy has been to hire supermodels because a) they're stupid b) they're cheap and c) the stupid and cheap peasants that are their parents still own their own real estate and the best way to get them to lose it to austrian banks is by hiring thei better looking daughters. which they don't fuck because weirdos, but merely drool over..
16:08 mircea_popescu the same womenz exist in london, you don't see them in retail bank branches because nobody gives a shit about the english peasant.
16:08 williamdunne Aha
16:08 williamdunne Well, I wouldn't call her stupid. She's been rather useful
16:08 williamdunne but yeah
16:08 mircea_popescu i'm sure she's a specialist.
16:08 williamdunne This is what a drunken Wil looks like; http://i.imgur.com/3fI48sM.jpg
16:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwUDyk )
16:08 williamdunne 3rd from left
16:09 mircea_popescu may i inquire why are you holding the OTHER DUDE ?
16:09 trinque bahaha
16:09 cazalla they're mates!
16:09 mircea_popescu right, but there's a time for that.
16:10 * williamdunne is no longer allowed friends
16:10 williamdunne Aha
16:10 williamdunne Well
16:10 williamdunne I did try it on with the girls in my defence
16:10 williamdunne They weren't having any of it
16:10 mircea_popescu srsly ? they look kinda ready to go.
16:11 mircea_popescu but what's in a photo.
16:11 williamdunne Either they didn't like me, or a heavily intoxicated Wil isn't good at reading signs
16:11 cazalla you look pretty tanked and ignore these autists who think putting ya arm around ya mate is weird :P
16:12 mircea_popescu cazalla goes to the brothel holding hands.
16:12 williamdunne Prague was pretty much me being tanked the entire time
16:13 williamdunne I discovered that gay people like me very much, which I guess is a slight ego boost even if very useless to me
16:13 mircea_popescu i dunno about 15, but you could pass for a twink.
16:14 williamdunne Hmmm the only twink I know of is WoW terminology
16:14 williamdunne !ud twink
16:14 williamdunne ;;ud twink
16:14 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink | The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at 10:00 AM, and is not particularly intelligent. A twink  ...
16:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172114 << you know my discussion of his obit still draws angry mail ?
16:14 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 14:17:22; asciilifeform: mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died
16:15 williamdunne Ahahaha
16:15 williamdunne Well, yeah I qualify for the t.w part
16:15 mircea_popescu williamdunne a twink is how you say ephebos these days. intelligence got nothing to do with it, just the internet derp seems to insist that anyone sensual is necessarily dumb fior this reason.
16:15 ascii_field mircea_popescu: l0l! angry mail?
16:15 ascii_field why?
16:15 mircea_popescu "how could i say such things!"
16:16 mircea_popescu well it irritatyes not merely the feminist worldview, but also the collectivist worldview,
16:16 mircea_popescu "i will see the world is more important than people!111!11"
16:16 ascii_field ah that
16:16 ascii_field unsurprised
16:16 ascii_field the usual suspects will piss & moan, yes
16:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172123 << you will notice this is entirely projected.
16:18 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 14:33:29; asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'
16:18 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172071 <<< i got one on the 19th.. i get them every 2-3 weeks and can no longer sync after that so i have to restore from backup
16:18 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
16:18 mircea_popescu !s should from:mircea
16:18 assbot 2333 results for 'should from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=should+from%3Amircea
16:19 williamdunne !s .gif from:mircea
16:19 assbot 186 results for '.gif from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=.gif+from%3Amircea
16:19 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the conjecture was based on an old thread re: naggum
16:19 ascii_field where you did say 'why wasn't he on the next boat to ar'
16:19 mircea_popescu yes but it carries more of the conjecturer than of the subject.
16:19 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2014#838804
16:19 assbot Logged on 21-09-2014 16:28:55; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?
16:20 trinque people do it
16:20 trinque my ancestors left being rather well off in Italy
16:20 mircea_popescu ascii_field the point was that location's irrelevant, there. which it is, or do you dispute ?
16:20 mircea_popescu yes, i get it, you have heavy physical equipment. he was a software man.
16:20 ascii_field it is absolutely relevant unless you are mircea_popescu, flyer of atomic dirigible
16:21 ascii_field and it isn't about the equipment. i'd burn it all if meatwot were portable
16:21 ascii_field naggum certainly did not stay in shitland on account of equipment.
16:21 mircea_popescu more on account of not asking the bank clerk about fucking her over her desk ?
16:21 ascii_field but, as i surmise, on account of 'rather die than compete with 16 year-olds on their home turf'
16:22 trinque even that makes very little sense, as though death holds some better alternative
16:22 ascii_field trinque fails pashtun exam
16:22 mircea_popescu competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos.
16:22 funkenstein_ i guess that meatwot wasn't worth sticking around for either. sometimes it isn't.
16:22 ascii_field the 'death before dishonour' part
16:22 trinque haha
16:22 trinque indeed I do
16:22 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ interesting how contradictory the proposition is huh
16:23 mircea_popescu "he couldn't leave because he couldn't leave things he couldn't leave and then he left them"
16:23 ascii_field mircea_popescu: competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos << hence why i said 'home turf'
16:23 williamdunne Bug in orderbook?
16:23 williamdunne http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR
16:23 assbot X.EUR last 25@0.00460722 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwXes7 )
16:23 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:23 ascii_field advantage as in, where they have whatever advantage (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants)
16:23 mircea_popescu no dude. the species is coded so that women are sluts. which is to say, they fuck the novel.
16:24 mircea_popescu williamdunne what's the bug ?
16:24 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Bid/Ask of same value and with positive quantity
16:24 mike_c screenshot? I don't see that.
16:24 mircea_popescu 32 vs 22 ?
16:24 mike_c only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.
16:24 mircea_popescu lol
16:25 mircea_popescu (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants) << this is not what you make it out to be.
16:25 williamdunne http://i.imgur.com/451sxcA.png?1
16:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IapZfo )
16:26 mircea_popescu well, that's what i see too
16:26 williamdunne I'm seeing bids and asks at 0.00460732
16:26 williamdunne They should match, no?
16:26 mircea_popescu 0.00460732130 | 600.00460722
16:26 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00460732 - 0.00460722
16:26 gribble 9.99999999994e-08
16:26 williamdunne Oh
16:26 williamdunne aha
16:26 williamdunne I missed the 3/2
16:27 mircea_popescu <gribble> 9.99999999994e-08 << that is an... interesting result.
16:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17019 @ 0.0003926 = 6.6817 BTC [-]
16:28 ascii_field ^ 'what is the difference between windows 3.1 and windows 3.0?' '0, according to ms calc'
16:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172132 >> this fails to expl;ain why hobos go to town rather than diffuse in the fields.
16:29 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 14:42:57; thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
16:29 williamdunne On an unrelated note, I like Tim Parsa of BitReserve
16:30 mircea_popescu williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172150 << what's whaleclub
16:30 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 15:46:33; williamdunne: !rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS
16:30 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Some teamspeak thing for price speculators
16:30 mircea_popescu a nm is in the log
16:30 mircea_popescu mike_c yo mikey! you missed the event!
16:31 mike_c father's day, spent it by the pool
16:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172170 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172172 omfg you guise are mean.
16:31 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 15:54:55; ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
16:31 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 15:55:36; mats: to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around
16:31 mircea_popescu mike_c oh, is that where the whole family gathers around to do osanali and genereally worship you ?
16:32 mike_c yes, except my father was there too, so he got some worship as well.
16:32 mike_c and i don't know what osanali is
16:33 mircea_popescu turkish word. this specific calisthenic routine, person kneels then raises hands and then puts them on teh ground.
16:33 mircea_popescu supposed to show great respek.
16:33 mircea_popescu !rate Drhelmut 1 Runs some sort of teamspeak server.
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16:33 mike_c ah, yes, well that happenned.
16:34 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Drhelmut.1:6d6dc0f4b800d51f6f275f4a001247e02f9e809fbfc19fcc7bc78cceb76dff3a
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16:34 mircea_popescu osanali^ is the plural, and it'd need a thing on the i. otherwise osana, singular.
16:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172181 << i suspect it works as a "strengthening weakness". which is to say, because it's so easily to be annoying, encourages people to not be annoying. sort of canary in the mine if you will.
16:35 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 16:02:31; chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
16:36 mircea_popescu groups benefit from a certain knowledge that a mechanism for disproportionate reaction exists (as discussed in that old arta pedepsirii article). this arrangement simply makes it exist without anyone actuall being personally involved, which is just what you'd expect these days.
16:41 mircea_popescu in other news, that dude i tried to hire to do bitbet advertising absconded with the budget did he.
16:42 mircea_popescu ;;seen isaackl
16:42 gribble isaackl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <isaackl> For BitBet, SEO or finding sites with underutilised ad space (as with 8chan) is probably the way to go? Both take time though. I can send your btc back if you want as tbh I have little expertise in that world. Also let me know if you think my reasoning is flawed.
16:42 mircea_popescu heh.
16:42 trinque "if you want" lol
16:43 mircea_popescu !rated isaackl
16:43 assbot You have not rated isaackl.
16:43 mircea_popescu !rate isaackl -1 was supposed to work for bitbet, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140179 disappeared.
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16:43 assbot Logged on 20-05-2015 10:08:38; mircea_popescu: i prefer to not communicate lol. do your job, report the methodology and results once you're done. you got a blog ?
16:44 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.isaackl.-1:72d3d56f7ac65a6e331b6b725cce0e408b21cf3a566d2340ca65326776f66734
16:44 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for isaackl with note: was supposed to work for bitbet, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140179 disappeared.
16:44 williamdunne Seems like it would justify more than a -1
16:44 mircea_popescu !up ksipax
16:44 shinohai That was lame
16:44 mircea_popescu williamdunne dja know how i score these ?
16:45 williamdunne Honestly, no
16:46 mircea_popescu see http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#selection-293.0-301.96
16:46 assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx1l7v )
16:47 Drhelmut Yeeah
16:47 Drhelmut I did it
16:47 mircea_popescu lol wd.
16:48 Drhelmut thx for rating mircea
16:48 mircea_popescu aha.
16:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172277 << lol win.
16:48 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 16:32:46; assbot: im silly, but not that silly.
16:48 Drhelmut god Wot is not user friendly at all
16:48 mircea_popescu no, it isn't.
16:49 mircea_popescu but, unlike other places that are not user friendly, like the us or the uk, at least it doesn't employ armed men to shoot you for trying to get in.
16:50 mircea_popescu or was it for trying to get out ? i always get my empires mixed up.
16:50 Drhelmut lol
16:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172300 << at least get us nudies of the czech hotties then.
16:51 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 17:04:08; williamdunne: ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:
16:51 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Aha
16:51 williamdunne In the UK
16:51 williamdunne Just not at home
16:52 mircea_popescu ah which reminds me. ascii_field you ever seen pulp fiction ?
16:52 ascii_field nope
16:52 mircea_popescu it's a good movie.
16:52 mircea_popescu julius an' vincent have a number of intelligent, culturally relevant discussions. whych is why qt is such an intellectual titan.
16:52 * ascii_field already had it on list, solely on account of who did it, but hasn't yet seen
16:53 mircea_popescu among them, one you'll find familiar.
16:53 williamdunne Watch it
16:53 williamdunne Today
16:53 mircea_popescu While You Drive
16:53 williamdunne Fuck it, imma rewatch it
16:53 kakobrekla http://i.imgflip.com/n47kl.jpg
16:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx2wnE )
16:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00040611 = 15.554 BTC [+]
16:54 mircea_popescu aahaha
16:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172305 << but lulzy.
16:54 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 17:10:13; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171883 < that's microsoft's fud and it never actually took place
16:55 mike_c kakobrekla: lol :D that's a good one
16:56 mircea_popescu in other news, http://i.imgur.com/Z3fFFcj.gifv
16:56 assbot Always remember to remove cat before flight ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx2Z9j )
16:57 mircea_popescu incidentally Drhelmut you ever answered http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172317 ?
16:57 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 17:19:06; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 < wait how does this actually work?
17:04 shinohai http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-22/pulp-fiction-star-harvey-keitel-sues-e-trade-over-canceled-ads
17:04 assbot ‘Pulp Fiction’ Star Keitel Sues E*Trade Over Ad Campaign - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx4l3U )
17:05 mircea_popescu "C++ is philosophically and cognitively unsound as it forces a violation of all known epistemological processes on the programmer. as a language, it requires you to specify in great detail what you do not know in order to obtain the experience necessary to learn it. "
17:06 mircea_popescu you know there's actually a strong possibility this assertion is correct. from my experience discussing programming with girls that don't program, it often comes to some derivative of exactly this.
17:06 mircea_popescu either "how do you know that", "how was i supposed to know that" or the more broad "this shit is just fucking stupid already"
17:06 williamdunne On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age
17:07 mats thats not egalitarian, man
17:07 mircea_popescu so ?
17:07 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:07 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i had almost 100% same convo with a maths type who hated programming
17:07 ascii_field for the same reason naggum gav
17:07 ascii_field e
17:07 mircea_popescu i think it's the deep reason for haskell
17:07 ascii_field 'requires me to name shit that doesn't deserve a name and wtf'
17:08 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Well, I didn't realize quite how deep SJW'ism was engraved into the souls of them
17:08 mircea_popescu but for what it's worth, i don't believe C actually does this. i believe it is merely perceived to do so.
17:08 ascii_field mircea_popescu: c - no
17:08 williamdunne I never even said anything particularly controversial in my opinion; only that I would prefer a wife who didn't work over one that did
17:08 ascii_field cpp, and other idiocies that force-rape the programmer with 'classes' etc - do.
17:09 mircea_popescu williamdunne why would you prefer a wife that didn't work, and if you do, how do you know you're not actually looking for a mistress ?
17:09 mircea_popescu ascii_field even cpp. let's model this on the act of telling a joke.
17:09 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Wife was simply for their understanding, I'm not particularly concerned with the idea of marriage
17:09 mircea_popescu now, you've probably heard enough jokes in your time to know there are two basic styles. one style is "some guy walks into a bar" and the other style is "this bloke joe walks into the bar".
17:10 ascii_field (this-bloke (gensym) (walked-into (bar)))
17:10 mircea_popescu the former is often trampled on by scoping questions by the [lamer] members of the audience. the second uses misdirection (the name's a throwaway) to perhaps enhance the results.,
17:10 mircea_popescu "why should i know who some guy's name is to be able to tell a joke ?" "you only need to know the name if you plan to reuse it"
17:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00037614 = 26.9128 BTC [-] {4}
17:11 mircea_popescu c++ is very faux-texan in this sense.
17:11 mircea_popescu "objective", except the objectivity is pure nominalism.
17:12 mircea_popescu which makes it very much an idealism masquerading as an objectivism which then drives a particular sort of people up the wall.
17:13 mircea_popescu williamdunne point being, if the bitch ain't working for you, she's the pimp and you're the ho.
17:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00040074 = 16.771 BTC [+]
17:16 felipelalli this conversation about programming languages, lol!
17:17 mircea_popescu !up Exemus
17:17 Drhelmut good night ppl
17:18 mats programming sucks
17:18 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Sure, I guess thats kinda my point
17:18 felipelalli ascii_field: are you a scheme programmer too? If yes, which dialect?
17:18 williamdunne The confusion on my point is the extreme objection to this on the part of my peers
17:19 williamdunne Anyhow, nothing too profound
17:19 trinque felipelalli: one doesn't tend to be an X programmer past a certain proficiency
17:19 ascii_field felipelalli: i haven't used scheme in anger in many years.
17:19 mircea_popescu he mostly uses python :D
17:20 williamdunne Although, I'm now thinking that unless I'm given some particularly large incentive not too, I would like to move somewhere in Eastern Europe
17:20 mircea_popescu williamdunne ukraine ?
17:20 felipelalli trinque: you're right, my question was if ascii_field did program in scheme before.
17:20 williamdunne Hate the language
17:20 williamdunne Not been though
17:20 williamdunne CZ/RO currently on top
17:21 williamdunne mircea_popescu: I thought it was quite interesting that Romanian doesn't distinguish between to win and to earn though
17:21 mircea_popescu "one can only imagine what having to lie to your compiler _every_ day and to make unwarranted guesses that your colleagues will depend on the same way they depend on your hard-earned knowledge _does_ to a human brain -- I know I couldn't handle even the prospect of it." << ya ya. welcome to real life (tm). this is what it is. exactly. there shall never be an escape from it, it is the indelible mark of superiority,
17:21 mircea_popescu the notion that one can run out of it by running out of c is ridiculous.
17:22 mircea_popescu ascii_field this goes right into our discussion about how the only reason lisp is ok where c is shot is that the hordes haven't sat on lisp but on c, would have been the other way around if they had sat the other way.
17:22 mircea_popescu preciselythis.
17:22 ascii_field naggum pointed this out
17:22 mircea_popescu williamdunne technically, it's all "gain".
17:22 ascii_field but it is not a complete story
17:22 mircea_popescu ascii_field one day ima have an original thought. i swear.
17:22 ascii_field rather like saying 'this bridge is only here because sufficiently large column of tanks has not yet gone on it'
17:22 mircea_popescu (to my compiler)
17:22 ascii_field technically - guaranteed true.
17:23 ascii_field enough tanks, made of neutron star, and any bridge will go down.
17:23 mircea_popescu perhaps.
17:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76809 @ 0.00040821 = 31.3542 BTC [+] {2}
17:24 mircea_popescu williamdunne what you'll be more interested will be to hear that a) romanian uses a unified concept for gain, which covers "gain from playing the one man bandit", "gain for gainful employment", "gain from having said a funny joke", "gaining time" etc, but the actual word, cistiga, is a direct usage of the latin castigat.
17:24 mircea_popescu as in, castigat ridendo mores. to, literally, beat into shape.
17:25 williamdunne Ahh, I wish he'd gone into more detail thats kinda interesting
17:25 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172784 <<< overrated and the wife does the bare minimum just like anyone else stuck in a job they hate
17:25 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 21:06:53; williamdunne: On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age
17:25 williamdunne cazalla: If they hate the job, why'd ya give it to them?
17:25 mircea_popescu cazalla well if she does that she gets the whip.
17:27 trinque traditional models are for boring people
17:27 williamdunne MP, your model IIRC is pretty interesting..
17:27 mircea_popescu great training tool tho. what's clueless girly to do ?
17:28 cazalla williamdunne, well because she's a good mum (the hate my job part is really just having less time for oneself)
17:29 williamdunne cazalla: Fair nuff, I'm not so keen on the idea of children that I have to look after so between myself and domestic duties they would still have time for themselves, you would hope
17:30 cazalla why do you prefer the traditional model of a wife if no desire for kids?
17:31 trinque think he means that *he* has to bother with
17:31 mircea_popescu either because he wants to buy a whore rather than rent ; or because he wants a mistress but is affraid of her bulls.
17:31 mircea_popescu strangely enough, two very different problems manifesting in the same can.
17:31 williamdunne Permanent companionship/sexual fulfilment without the hassle of children?
17:31 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Not really scared of bulls, but I don't want to share
17:31 mircea_popescu this still doesn't answer.
17:32 cazalla williamdunne, biggest mistake i made at your age was believing i needed to get into a relationship with women to maintain regular sex
17:32 williamdunne cazalla: I don't just mean sex
17:33 mircea_popescu are you looking for a woman to worship you, that you really don't give a shit about ; or for a woman to worship yourself, that doesn't really give a shit about you.
17:33 williamdunne Option 3, I suppose
17:33 mircea_popescu there is no option 3.
17:33 williamdunne Well in which case option 1 is the beyond obvious choice
17:34 mircea_popescu never mind what's obvious, nobody asked your impression of collected social pressure. question's what you would rather.
17:34 williamdunne Option 1, its an obvious choice
17:34 williamdunne Not option 1 because societal pressure
17:34 mircea_popescu well so then why shouldn't she work.
17:35 trinque everyone needs something productive to do; what's she going to do, stare at a picture of you all day while you're off living?
17:35 mircea_popescu ^ very good statement of the problem.
17:35 williamdunne Why should she work? Are there not alternatives to a job
17:35 williamdunne kept woman type thing
17:36 mircea_popescu but that's for option 2 folk.
17:36 williamdunne Do you have to worship a paid for companion?
17:37 trinque wtf do you think paid for is?
17:37 mircea_popescu don't the online whores these days call it exactly that ?
17:37 mircea_popescu what is it, "tribute"
17:37 trinque williamdunne: I have had chicks that don't have a career, and seen the detriment idleness can be
17:38 trinque so it's a garden, or whatever, still she needs to see that her life has some kind of point
17:38 williamdunne trinque as if in you pay for their upkeep
17:38 williamdunne Oh sure
17:38 williamdunne But I wouldn't call that work
17:38 mircea_popescu why not ?
17:38 cazalla well if she's not kept busy raising your kids or some other hobby, don't be surprised when she ends up in the bed of another
17:38 mircea_popescu if it's worth paying for is work, and if it's not then it doesn't answer to this line.
17:40 mircea_popescu "Because I am not religious, I have no mystical conception of an afterlife. To me, a person lives on not in Heaven or Hell but instead in the minds and hearts of those they touched while alive"
17:40 williamdunne By work, I strictly mean doing something which you have to do to support yourself financially
17:40 mircea_popescu fucktarded progressive sectarian nuts. "i have no religion except this wonky religion that i claim not to be one"
17:40 mircea_popescu williamdunne like sucking cock ?
17:41 williamdunne If thats what you're paid to do, sure
17:41 trinque so she's supporting herself by being paid by you to do work you find valuable
17:41 mircea_popescu were you basically meaning to say "my idea of ideal marriage is where im just rich enough to not give a fuck" but misstated it as "woman should not work out of the house" and ended up irritating random people ?
17:41 trinque that's work
17:42 williamdunne Pretty much
17:42 williamdunne Only a handful were particularly irritated, and they weren't worth keeping contact with anyhow
17:43 trinque bahaha that's on par with: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-03-2015#1045004
17:43 assbot Logged on 07-03-2015 01:58:55; trinque: what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now
17:43 cazalla anyway williamdunne, you're what? 18? i wouldn't even give thought to wife and kids until you hit your 30s or perhaps even later, go whore it up for the next 15 years
17:43 williamdunne Aha, its not something I intend to do within the near future
17:45 cazalla well better to encourage the sluts around you to get naked than to tell them you think a boring housewife is a better proposition than them
17:45 mircea_popescu ^
17:45 mircea_popescu total mismatch between meaning and expression, babyface.
17:46 williamdunne ahahaha
17:46 mircea_popescu btw, check out how nicely the cult's gangster outlook is rounding out! we now have a guy nicknamed babyface even.
17:46 cazalla lol
17:46 trinque !b 2
17:46 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3V83AZ2.txt )
17:46 mircea_popescu hopefully someone named schultz joins. i think you haveto have one.
17:46 * trinque needs to start wearing more suits
17:47 williamdunne I lol'd
17:50 mircea_popescu i swear the quality of tx relaying is shittening every day.
17:51 mircea_popescu the number of txn broadcast through one node used to be pretty much zero. i would guess by now it's over 10%. which is fucking insane.
17:52 mircea_popescu (for the amaterus : txn propagation has a lot in common with epidemiology, a topic recently trouched upon here. in any case : the spots where a transaction goes from "unknown" to "broadcast through one node" to "broadcast to the whole net" are interesting in the general case. and the first move thereof a very good measure of "quality", basically speaking the inverse of an infection's pathogenicity)
17:54 mircea_popescu (seeing how a transaction lives as such a finite interval before being included in a block, the % of txn that live as "known to one" vs the total "known to all" is of particular interest)
17:57 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172679 actually, it's close to usual paymium price (and that's why i shop there)
17:57 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 20:24:39; mike_c: only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.
18:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0003973 = 2.4434 BTC [-]
18:11 jurov !up sam0
18:11 jurov !up cardigm
18:12 jurov i implore theee, speak up
18:12 mats https://soundcloud.com/mellomusicgroup/lorange-jeremiah-jae-all-i-need-feat-gift-of-gab
18:12 assbot L'Orange \u0026 Jeremiah Jae - All I Need (feat. Gift Of Gab) by Mello Music Group | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rr4w2g )
18:14 mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWAK0J8Uhzk
18:14 assbot Meet Porter. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rr4J5R )
18:14 mats ill take a dog over a robot any day
18:17 jurov !up ag3nt_zer0
18:17 jurov !gettrust ag3nt_zer0
18:17 assbot Trust relationship from user jurov to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/
18:17 ag3nt_zer0 thanks and how goes it...?
18:18 jurov goes okay
18:19 jurov except maybe i found out i killed 88 hours in eulora in june
18:19 mats http://www.cem.me/20150621-pgp-poster.html
18:19 assbot PGP Poster - cem ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxwqHT )
18:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00039879 = 17.8259 BTC [+]
18:19 mats would buy this poster
18:19 jurov !rate ag3nt_zer0 1 n3w bl00d
18:19 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7c0b76a393c230a7
18:19 mats where's the nubs at
18:19 mats ;;seen nubbins`
18:19 gribble nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <nubbins`> o.O
18:20 ag3nt_zer0 jurov: haha well it all ends badly so don't sweat it
18:20 jurov !v assbot:jurov.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:2e1c33c6523854294ce76c0385e143a9600c5e02c9164ae65268f0d12ed646f6
18:20 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: n3w bl00d
18:20 jurov ohmy another talmudic scholar
18:21 ag3nt_zer0 I notice that I am one of the few using the mangled substitution of numbers for characters... if this is crass I can change it haha... but is it possible to migrate my trust? probably not huh?
18:22 trinque who cares?
18:22 ag3nt_zer0 haha a talmudic scholar
18:22 trinque u r n0t 2 1337 4 u5
18:22 jurov since you have no ratings yet, can just get a new key and register new acct
18:22 jurov but it's fine i guess
18:24 ag3nt_zer0 hi trinque noce to see you
18:25 ag3nt_zer0 is it possible that btc will have any positive effect on the wretched educational system?
18:27 jurov !s beatings
18:27 assbot 74 results for 'beatings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beatings
18:27 mats the beatings will continue until morale improves
18:28 trinque also beatings for not giving out enough beatings
18:28 trinque meta-beatings if you will
18:28 trinque ag3nt_zer0: howdy bub
18:28 mats its beatings all the way down
18:29 williamdunne yo dawg..
18:30 ag3nt_zer0 I am coming from the viewpoint of a non-castrated teacher that believes in the transmissibility of the flame - but sees the flame has been hijacked and perverted by the marxist fag multicultis
18:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.0003973 = 25.0895 BTC [-]
18:31 jurov you're t3ach3r?
18:31 ag3nt_zer0 haha yeah
18:31 cazalla ag3nt_zer0, not from /pol/ are you ?
18:31 ag3nt_zer0 lament
18:32 trinque he's the second to last rhodesian
18:32 ag3nt_zer0 cazalla: no, I don't know what that is
18:33 williamdunne ag3nt_zer0: 4chan board
18:33 jurov no, 8chan
18:33 jurov :D
18:33 williamdunne Sorry, both
18:33 williamdunne The politics board on many different imageboards
18:33 trinque ag3nt_zer0: seems to me you can't fix education in its present form.
18:34 trinque current system is predicated on the idea that mass production of "educated" is even possible
18:34 trinque amply treated here in many threads already
18:34 trinque !s education
18:34 assbot 451 results for 'education' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=education
18:35 ag3nt_zer0 oh ok great thansk
18:35 williamdunne Eh, seems like it is a good thing even if just at a primary level
18:35 williamdunne Although the whole no kid left behind thing is bullshit no matter the level
18:35 trinque williamdunne: sure and that primary level shouldn't be considered educated
18:36 williamdunne Sorry, misread as "education" as a wider group rather than educated
18:36 ag3nt_zer0 yes, the system is fucked, but I wonder about the feasibility of something created entirely outside of it... maybe on a barge...
18:36 trinque heh!
18:36 trinque !s sealand
18:36 assbot 15 results for 'sealand' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sealand
18:36 trinque ag3nt_zer0: worked for the scientologists though
18:37 trinque there's a cult that got places
18:37 ag3nt_zer0 williamdunne: yes no matter what some will be left behind
18:37 trinque their tax exempt status is the greatest heist of all time
18:37 trinque or one of.
18:37 trinque no product, fanatics at your disposal, massive prices for your non-product, no taxes
18:37 trinque kidding me?
18:38 williamdunne ag3nt_zer0: Thats my point
18:38 williamdunne Oh
18:38 williamdunne ignore me
18:38 trinque and hell I'm only half kidding
18:38 trinque look at what those fucking nutbags pulled off
18:42 cazalla i guess 2 year data retention wasn't enough.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-22/governments-bill-to-block-foreign-piracy-websites-passes-senate/6565098
18:42 assbot Internet piracy: Federal Government's legislation to block websites passes Senate - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxyUpG )
18:42 trinque artifexd: save us obi wan kenobi
18:43 ag3nt_zer0 anyone else see this?: http://news.google.com/news/url?sr=1&ct2=us%2F1_0_s_0_1_a&sa=t&usg=AFQjCNGXNGPBMfwnUjDkQ50881YdL1b3IQ&cid=52778884659320&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.techworm.net%2F2015%2F06%2Fgoogle-chrome-secretly-downloads-an-audio-listener-to-your-pc-that-can-snoop-on-you.html&ei=bo-IVainNMHsmALdxKO4Dw&rt=SECTION&vm=STANDARD&bvm=section&did=-2365193554698942914&sid=-2195956548148024079&ssid=cstm&at=dt0
18:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bxz00D )
18:43 trinque ag3nt_zer0: yup, "ok google"
18:43 trinque just them doing their job, really
18:44 jurov !up blazes816
18:44 trinque ag3nt_zer0: given what an extraordinary intelligence asset google hypothetically "could" be it's inconceivable that they are not
18:45 trinque and the relationship is likely 5% official
18:46 mats is pretty well known schmidt is part of meta-nsa
18:46 trinque yeah
18:46 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: yes sure...
18:47 mats other statal regimes have realized google's sigint model beats deep packet inspection every time
18:47 mats so guess whats being built nao
18:47 ag3nt_zer0 well, can't wait till maidsafe saves us all from that!... kidding
18:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00040169 = 9.0179 BTC [+] {2}
18:50 jurov ag3nt_zer0: you can now !up yourself
18:51 williamdunne Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?
18:52 williamdunne Eh, looks like some code is happening at least
18:52 williamdunne https://github.com/maidsafe
18:52 assbot MaidSafe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDoR1A )
18:52 williamdunne this is *definitely* not an endorsement, I was simply wondering if they'd run with the money or if they were pretending to do something
18:53 jurov maybe both
18:58 cazalla crashing this plane.. with NO SURVIVORS! http://corporate.lot.com/pl/en/press-news?article=772922
18:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDpgkA )
18:58 cazalla (hax0r3d planes)
19:01 ag3nt_zer0 so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
19:02 ag3nt_zer0 jaberwocky philosophy
19:05 williamdunne ;;seen indiancandy1
19:05 gribble indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> i watched her documentry
19:06 williamdunne documentry
19:06 williamdunne lol
19:07 trinque williamdunne: did you ever get her keys squared? lol
19:07 williamdunne Nope, she never came back while I was still in the UK
19:07 trinque haha, just as well
19:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31153 @ 0.00041001 = 12.773 BTC [+] {2}
19:08 mats http://yifan.lu/2015/06/21/hacking-the-ps-vita
19:08 assbot Yifan Lu | Hacking the PS Vita ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxBrjG )
19:13 trinque ag3nt_zer0: no offense but I have no idea what you just said
19:15 trinque care to restate?
19:16 trinque ag3nt_zer0: structuralism smacks of "that stolen-from is not your stolen-from; it's all of ours"
19:17 trinque an attempt of many to claim some aggregate which supercedes the individual
19:18 trinque so if it's one of those, oldest swindle there is
19:18 trinque I don't see anything new; talented people try to do interesting things, and others try to hold him back to varying degrees
19:24 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far as i understand,
19:25 ag3nt_zer0 agains tradition
19:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26060 @ 0.00041975 = 10.9387 BTC [+] {6}
19:25 ag3nt_zer0 I guess I am just trying to grasy what mp was excited about... it did seem like he saw a lot of light in the development, philosophically speaking
19:26 ag3nt_zer0 nevermind I don't know what the hell
19:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94740 @ 0.00042304 = 40.0788 BTC [+]
19:27 trinque ah, you'll have to ask him then
19:27 ag3nt_zer0 anyway it's just nice to be in a room that has some good heads in it...
19:30 trinque yep
19:30 trinque ag3nt_zer0: how do you define traditionalism?
19:32 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"
19:33 ag3nt_zer0 Plato was a traditional philosopher
19:36 trinque it's interesting then to see humanism in contrast to that term, as humanism seems to imagine this platonic form of "human" which we all resemble, and are therefore intrinsically valuable somehow
19:36 ag3nt_zer0 it is really perennial traditionalism, or perennialism that I am thinking of
19:38 ag3nt_zer0 well I suppose one way to english the difference is that a traditional orientation would be vertical (upward, toward the absolute, what not), vs horizontal (man is measure of all things and human contentment and "happiness" main goals)
19:40 trinque I tend to be wary of systems that try to provide a taxonomy of human action
19:41 trinque ag3nt_zer0: I see roughly what you're pointing at; what do you make of it?
19:42 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: still making of it hehe
19:42 punkman http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/06/part3topnew.jpg
19:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhjEQr )
19:42 asciilifeform in other news, happy 22nd june, actual-start-of-ww2-day, to all.
19:42 trinque ag3nt_zer0: more pointedly, I tend to assume that where someone makes broad generalizations about "being", they've actually given me a command
19:43 trinque and I tend to interpret it along those lines, rather than there actually existing some transcendental realm where concepts exist, dance about, generating meaning
19:45 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: well the stuff of matter must rest upon something, no?
19:45 trinque thought that which matter rests upon was an open question
19:47 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: are you a mathematical person?
19:47 ag3nt_zer0 are you interested in mathematics?
19:48 trinque I'm just a derpy guy with very little formal education.
19:48 ag3nt_zer0 haha which means you have been subjected to less lobotomy
19:49 trinque somewhat; though I will not tell the future students of the republic's university to do otherwise
19:53 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: this is what's up my butt... maybe I am obsolete but my intellection seems to have plateaued here: http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.pdf
19:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhkQDg )
19:54 trinque ag3nt_zer0: thanks, I'll put it in my queue to read
19:56 ag3nt_zer0 np
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20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19269 @ 0.00041165 = 7.9321 BTC [-]
20:30 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely that a node is going to connect to precisely the room i'm in and then bless me with a usable IP addr
20:37 trinque ag3nt_zer0: having read the foreward, looks interesting; I'll probably have it read in a few days
20:37 trinque I will say that the author's metaphysical end of the world may not be the only one transpiring
20:38 trinque the best crises are, I'm sure, a nice blend of irl and metaphysical destruction
20:40 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172386 << aye
20:40 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:07; ascii_field: i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
20:41 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172388 << aye
20:41 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:18; ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
20:41 ben_vulpes i let my thermonuked node run all night, picked up not a single seed
20:42 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
20:46 Vexual !up SuchWow
20:47 Vexual anyone in norther lats got aurora?
20:49 ben_vulpes !up SuchWow
20:50 williamdunne Wow
20:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89665 @ 0.00042304 = 37.9319 BTC [+]
21:03 ag3nt_zer0 trinque: yes the best apocalypse is total!
21:03 ag3nt_zer0 haha
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21:35 mats ha, just noticed asciilifeform's comment when reviewing my ratings
21:36 mats for the record i am not a reverse engineer, my interests are narrowly tailored to exploitation
21:46 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it would by the very fact of connecting. shows you its ip
21:54 mircea_popescu https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25625347/PGP_Pub.png << yeah that's pretty great.
21:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7q4ka )
21:56 mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 ironically enough, im sure teaching will be fine. schools tho... hard to say.
21:59 thestringpuller What's this bullshit I'm hearing Gavin has 75% (supermajority) support of "the community" on his stupid BIP?
21:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173030 << ahh, such sweet logs await you in the logs.
21:59 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 23:01:12; ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
21:59 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: everytime you shoot this nigga in the head he comes back to fucking life.
21:59 mircea_popescu down from the 100% he thought he had back in janaury ?
22:00 mircea_popescu since we're making up numbers, i would say he needs to have at least 8megapercent support, or else his support won't scale.
22:00 asciilifeform 'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...'
22:01 mircea_popescu funny that derps using numbers like retarded children use playdo should at any point expect to be engaged by sane people as if serious.
22:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2520 @ 0.00041175 = 1.0376 BTC [-]
22:01 * asciilifeform unpacks crate of east german z80 clones, counts, puts on shelf
22:01 thestringpuller this is what scares me! kids with guns are still dangerous (even if it just them shooting each other)
22:04 asciilifeform thestringpuller: kids throwing own turds are only 'dangerous' to the orderlies, and this only if the latter forgot their mask
22:06 thestringpuller in the even there are no orderlies? everyone gets pegged with poo?
22:07 mod6 it's a shit blizzard, Randy.
22:08 thestringpuller you need to get off the liquor mister leahy
22:08 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: 2 items for consideration: 1) what version string is to be used in the first public therealbitcoin nodes? the current one doesn't seem appropriate 2) anyone have existing nodes (of whatever variety) to 'get a light' from? i'd prefer these to 'wild' mysterymeat
22:08 mod6 I am the liquor, bobandy.
22:11 mod6 asciilifeform: 1) don't have anything to add to this discussion atm. although, we can have it again if you like. 2) I don't have anything going atm; The working nodes (on deb6) are down because i'm working on the gentoo gcc stuff right now.
22:13 thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/xDGYGZV.jpg << for all the people using cloud as a buzzword
22:13 mod6 The patch we got from that mailing list was from a different version for sure than 4.8.4 -- so i've had to hack it in by hand. gentoo is now applying the patch properly. and it's compiling as we speak. there is one caviat that I need to get over before I can test it though.
22:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform 190.172.13.251
22:13 asciilifeform mod6: not looking for earth-shaking ideas, but release was 0.5.3.1, and the thing about to be fielded is clearly something quite else, imho needs a new name, at least new ver. 2) ~somebody~'s gotta have a seed
22:13 mod6 ah there you go.
22:13 asciilifeform and mircea_popescu answered 2!
22:13 asciilifeform ty
22:15 ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: yeah i am looking for alternatives that's why I asked about btc and ed... is this question a simple "where does the trust lie?"... btw you know those cuddle-puddle poddies they have all the students arranged in now? You know, the ingenious design that promotes cheating and distraction and love? Those are fucking MANDATORY in some districts... teachers couldn't sit them all facing forward if they wanted
22:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform 0.5.4, 0.6, whichever.
22:15 mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 but have ye read the logs ?
22:15 * asciilifeform still in the process of sawing out the irc sync mechanism. after this, will have to see whether the deterministic-build thing actually works (my last attempt using therealbitcoin's 'official' script died in agony on account of gcc strange)
22:15 mod6 If we add in (officially the following): { Orphanage Thermonuke, TX Orphanage Amputation, { All DNS Thermonyukyooar Patches } }, I'd say that'd be a new milestone. And I'd propose to call it 0.5.3.2
22:15 asciilifeform ^ why not.
22:15 mircea_popescu 0.5.3.2 works
22:16 mircea_popescu tho kinda long imo. nobody should need 4 digits of versioning
22:16 mircea_popescu unless, of course, they're from ms. then they need 8. or unl;ess they're running boost and qt.
22:16 ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: yes some, not enough, far from done...
22:16 mod6 haha
22:16 asciilifeform imho we oughta cleanly break with the gavinists' versioning sequence (e.g., 31337.1)
22:16 mircea_popescu make it 5.4, good enough
22:17 mircea_popescu why ?
22:17 asciilifeform for one thing, would piss on their 'too old' detection mechanism
22:17 asciilifeform widely deployed among unsuspecting folks
22:17 mircea_popescu this is the sequence, logically. buncha derps made some rejected "versions", who cares what they numbered them as ?
22:17 mircea_popescu folks should suspect more.
22:17 asciilifeform was there a turdalicious 5.4 ?
22:17 mircea_popescu what idiots did can not now, nor ever be a consideration.
22:17 mod6 well, there isn't a previous version 5.4 -- stops after 5.3 and goes right to 6... so i guess that could work.
22:18 mircea_popescu i'm not going to not name something america because obama.
22:18 asciilifeform idk, what hogs do is in some circumstances a consideration at meat plant
22:18 asciilifeform 5.4 works
22:18 mircea_popescu so then, that.
22:18 mod6 let's let ben weigh in here.
22:18 asciilifeform again, i'm not about to fire it quite yet. probably needs another evening or two of massage.
22:19 mod6 oh hey, i think my patch built ok...
22:19 mod6 now to find out if it actually /works/ XD
22:21 mod6 if this works out, it'll be my first official gcc hack
22:22 mod6 of course... there is the entire question on the table at this point about the "gentoo sanity" patches.
22:23 mod6 before we cut a new milestone, i'd like to have this sucker up and running on gentoo with uclibc & patched with the "gentoo sanity" patches as well.
22:23 mod6 then we can finally go off of a version that we support, etc.
22:23 mod6 (basically, I'm just saying those patches should have been included in my list above)
22:25 mod6 oh, and I keep hitting an additional problem aside from what the "gentoo sanitiy" resolves. i've been holding off submitting a patch for it until I can get this thing actually compiled and working.
22:27 mod6 (have been having to add `#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS \ #include <stdint.h>` to the start of net.cpp, util.cpp, and wallet.cpp for some bizzare reason)
22:27 asciilifeform ^ that's what i was talking about re: the deterministic build script
22:27 mircea_popescu aha
22:28 mircea_popescu anyway, this is pretty good progress and intel seems to indicate you're actually ahead of the curve, so, dun stress.
22:28 * asciilifeform curious re: 'the curve'
22:28 * asciilifeform wonders how many folks, toiling in forgotten pestholes, have walked same path
22:30 mircea_popescu not that curve. the "o noes, 75% support" curve.
22:34 mod6 eh, guess i spoke too soon: my patch comiled in nicely... and much much later in the entire compile process gcc hangs on libcpp: http://dpaste.com/3XZH8PZ.txt
22:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxNmyp )
22:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173048 << do not define, or even think about, things in terms of other things. it is a horrible habit and a path to idiocy.
22:35 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 23:24:56; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far
22:35 mircea_popescu structuralism is the proposition that elements of human culture are defined by their relationships to other elements.
22:35 mircea_popescu this is a complex point not accessible to the novice, and so nothing to be taken cavallierly.
22:41 mod6 maybe something in my few repeated builds hosed something up. the /work/ dir does seem to get blown away every time.
22:41 mod6 smh
22:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173058 << this is idealism. and a very idealistic definition to boot, wtf is "orientation towards". like, when i take a piss i'm orientated towards the urinal ?
22:42 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 23:32:50; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"
22:42 mircea_popescu !up liquidassets
22:44 Hasimir or to put it another way (re: structuralism), everything is interconnected ...
22:44 ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: yeah ok, after looking up structuralism, I was just hung up on the idea that if humanism is constructed on erroneous principles, and is structuralism is a reaction to humanism... then its just doubly wayward...
22:44 mod6 here's the gcc 4.8.4 patch in question (gcc needs to be patched with Gentoo/uclibc/PIE patches beforehand): http://dpaste.com/0QHZ59X.txt
22:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJejVr )
22:44 mircea_popescu of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made.
22:44 mircea_popescu to say that any paradigm is flawed is not to say very much at all.
22:45 ag3nt_zer0 so maybe with a post-post-post the ship eventually by chance faces due north
22:45 mircea_popescu it'd be interesting if you can show how its flaws impede its intended results and how can they be cheaply remedied.
22:45 Hasimir "these sorts of things have happened before and have always been attributable to human error."
22:45 mod6 i'm gonna nuke that machine again and try to compile it again with the patch. see if it works. if not, i'll just see if it'll even compile gcc itself.
22:45 mircea_popescu mod6 i didn't know la serenissima had nukes :D
22:47 mod6 just of the bitwise persuasion :]
22:47 mircea_popescu hehe
22:48 mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 the entire thing started with the absolutely correct observation that words have i nfact no meanings, not anymore than any one website has google pagerank. a theoretical model was proposed where meaning of all words is produced through iteration, exactly in the same manner pr is calculated (and this is why google used to be notable - it implemented a major tenet of culture at the time)
22:48 mod6 so one of the reasons i'm being kidna hard-headed about 4.8.4; i'm worried that with a downlevel version such as 3.7 or whatever, that there might not even exist a set of patches (such as Gentoo/uclibc/PIE) that are required for Gentoo -- might be a whole seperate ball of wax & problems.
22:49 mircea_popescu this model is very stupid, notwithstanding interesting results it produces in some cases, and the failure of google exactly illustrates the failures of the model.
22:49 mod6 so if we get this one to work, i think that's our best/easiest path, currently.
22:50 mircea_popescu post-post-structuralism is in no sense and to no degree a return to "Traditionalism", which is strictly distinct from the humanism the original structuralism was supposedly a reaction to. it is merely the observation of coexistence : the stupid generate their pseudo-meanings out of iteration, the smart (i've called these before language creators) have thei own dictionaries, the two categories interplay in praxis.
22:50 mircea_popescu (praxis being the usage of a language, or more properly, representational system)
22:51 mircea_popescu and traditionalism, for the record, is the fundamentally correct observation that there can not be such a thing as a new phenomenon, and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens.
22:52 mircea_popescu stuff like taleb is a much more damaging criticism of traditionalism than structuralism ever was or could aspire to be.
22:53 mircea_popescu (and humanism is the proposition, beyond naive, that there exists an universal aspect to everything which is immediately accessible to people. if this sounds stupid well... it's because humanism, like any socialist ideology, is made by the stupid for the use of the stupid)
22:54 mircea_popescu at its core, humanism is the proposition not that there exists a saint peter by the pearly gates, nor that he would understand your language, but that ~you~ would understand ~his~,
22:55 mircea_popescu or for that matter even recognize pearly gates if you saw 'em.
22:55 mircea_popescu which is exactly contradictory to the hermetic tradition, nothing else. (which no, is not simply "jewish")
22:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00041206 = 5.2682 BTC [+]
22:59 mircea_popescu so now you're in a position to understand why strong (ie, absolute) cryptography is such a threat. it actually annuls a fundamental presuposition of western culture. if there exists something that is in fact inaccessible, then there can be no such thing as "humanism", and thus therefore socialism is just stupid, rather than being what the "nordic system" chicklet claimed for it : stupid but universal.
23:00 mircea_popescu and this is also why "social mobility" is such a big deal, representationally, notwithstanding the nonsense it is in practice, and why the worst thing you can do is kick a black dude out of your clubhouse or whatever.
23:05 mircea_popescu and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ?
23:09 ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: thanks for the response... I am confused about this: "and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens." -is this how traditionalist discourse treat phenomena? exclusively historically? and also: you say taleb can provide a damaging critique of traditionalism? May I kindly ask, whose? What authors/thinkers
23:09 mircea_popescu principally historically.
23:10 mircea_popescu have you read nassim taleb ?
23:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86400 @ 0.00041206 = 35.602 BTC [+]
23:10 ag3nt_zer0 no, but due to reading something you wrote I have started the black swan
23:10 ag3nt_zer0 ...begun
23:10 mircea_popescu aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.
23:11 Hasimir the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
23:11 mircea_popescu (this also is why nobody seems to ever want to engage him)
23:11 Hasimir so much for that theory ....
23:11 mircea_popescu Hasimir well you live in a place that doesn't exist anyway >D
23:11 Hasimir heheh
23:11 Hasimir fair point
23:14 mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 you familiar with the fantabulous history of the gauss copula ?
23:16 ag3nt_zer0 haha no
23:16 ag3nt_zer0 sounds good
23:17 mircea_popescu hm. well, do you know what technical analysis is ?
23:18 ag3nt_zer0 can't say that I formally do
23:19 ag3nt_zer0 what am i talking, yes I do
23:19 ag3nt_zer0 not well
23:20 mircea_popescu mkay. there is this psychogenically-driven assumption in financial circles that the past may be used to evaluate future risk. this is incredibly stupid and absolutely perennial (the only thing perennial in human cultural history is stupidity, by the way - smart stuff has no root)
23:20 ag3nt_zer0 but i understand that it is used to analyze financial information, particularly in markets
23:21 mircea_popescu in any case, THAT is traditionalism for you. between "nobody went out of business buying ibm" and "our gauss copulae indicate the future will be rosy", crash after crash and disaster after disaster.
23:22 mircea_popescu and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.
23:22 mircea_popescu but such is life.
23:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106080 @ 0.00041175 = 43.6784 BTC [-]
23:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173066 << check em out, the original windows wizards. to think idiots of all stripes today still try to "be zatko"
23:23 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 23:42:14; punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/06/part3topnew.jpg
23:24 mircea_popescu i imagine that's gavin's wet dream, if anything.
23:25 ag3nt_zer0 ok. but I am under the impression that at the core of traditionalism are simply metaphysical absolutes... for instance, "the greater cannot proceed from the lesser" - there is one absolute source, be it languaged in a number of ways, etc...
23:26 mircea_popescu the why is the controlling aspect, not the what.
23:26 mod6 does that guy have a Matryoshka doll tie?!
23:27 * mod6 laughs
23:28 trinque bahaha who the fuck adopts "Oblivion" but keeps "Brian"
23:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 190.172.13.251 is dead
23:32 mircea_popescu it is ?
23:32 asciilifeform go, connect.
23:32 * mircea_popescu looks into.
23:35 * asciilifeform notices that certain nodes in the wild... won't return the genesis block!!
23:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29935 @ 0.00041181 = 12.3275 BTC [+] {2}
23:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29765 @ 0.00042314 = 12.5948 BTC [+] {2}
23:45 mod6 ok weird. same exact error as last time after complete nuke. tomorrow i'll nuke again and see if gcc will compile without the patch.
23:45 asciilifeform achtung, panzers!
23:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
23:45 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html
23:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ib7iYV )
23:45 asciilifeform '(EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump.'
23:48 * mod6 looks
23:48 asciilifeform ^ precisely what is printed on the box. but all plz read
23:50 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173220 <<< are you from down under?
23:50 assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
23:50 cazalla actually forget it, we had this conversation a few weeks ago
23:51 mod6 ah and it bumps the version too
23:52 asciilifeform unless someone notices serious problems, this is what will be built (using deterministic build process) and fielded on the first public node
23:53 mod6 thanks for your work on this asciilifeform!
23:53 asciilifeform np
23:53 asciilifeform i would like to ask the fine gentlemen to read this and the antecedents (ben_vulpes has a pretty good review on his www)
23:53 mod6 im hoping I can figure something out with gcc tomorrow. if I don't get anywhere, perhaps time to cut bait and head in a different direction.
23:54 mod6 i've read the patches and ben's review on his blog. i'll be writing up a summary of my own in the SoBA at the end of the month.
23:54 asciilifeform neato
23:54 mod6 (same sort of deal as last month)
23:55 asciilifeform btw i will note (in case this wasn't clear) that i test-fire everything i post
23:55 asciilifeform prior to posting
23:55 mod6 *nod*
23:56 asciilifeform (this does not excuse other folks from test!)
23:56 mod6 as soon as I can, i'll be sure to patch everything in the order specified and kick off a full regression cycle.
23:56 asciilifeform here's a thought:
23:56 asciilifeform deleting crud from bitcoin is so much fun,
23:56 asciilifeform almost sorry we're running short on things to axe.
23:57 asciilifeform !up Vexual
23:57 Vexual stones no longer safe on earth
23:58 asciilifeform 'every program contains at least one bug. every program can be reduced by at least one line. ergo, every program can be reduced to precisely one line - which doesn't work.' (dijkstra?)
23:59 asciilifeform astute readers will notice that proposed 5.4 does not permit externalip to be altered at runtime.
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