Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:10 copumpkin in popescuity!
00:10 copumpkin oh, he's gone
00:10 copumpkin !down
00:11 copumpkin !down copumpkin
~ 55 minutes ~
01:06 asciilifeform aaand...
01:06 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B2E239A3BB66E00BCDCF41F0C281798CCAED77F43781FCBAD0B7D521A95708D3
01:07 asciilifeform ^ non-'magic' !
~ 1 hours 20 minutes ~
02:27 ben_vulpes http://askubuntu.com/questions/540911/how-to-adjust-screen-brightness-in-ubuntu-14-04 << oh ffs
02:27 assbot how to adjust screen brightness in ubuntu 14.04? - Ask Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxPlna )
02:34 trinque ben_vulpes: no joke, I echo into sys to change my brightness
~ 25 minutes ~
02:59 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jno8llAxzYE
02:59 assbot Gorillaz- sweepstakes (feat. Mos Def and Hypnotic Brass essemble) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJxevw )
03:01 punkman asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic' ! << oh did we run out of cosmic rays?
~ 24 minutes ~
03:26 cazalla hanbot, published, ty
03:27 scoopbot_revived FBI Counterterrorism AD Michael Steinbach: "Prevent encryption above all else" http://qntra.net/2015/06/fbi-counterterrorism-ad-michael-steinbach-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
~ 4 hours 39 minutes ~
08:07 shinohai ASSet of the day? https://i.imgur.com/4fGaYju.jpg [nsfw, obviously]
08:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRNwlz )
08:08 shinohai and https://i.imgur.com/T740wtL.jpg (sfw)
08:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRNIkW )
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
09:11 cazalla shinohai, he's 100 today and that heart shit is bullshit according to snopes
09:11 shinohai I know, it is still funny.
09:11 shinohai He's just naturally not going to release his grasp upon the empire
~ 53 minutes ~
10:05 punkman http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20150605STO63242/html/TTIP-what-exactly-is-the-ISDS-mechanism-for-resolving-investor-disputes
10:05 assbot TTIP: what exactly is the ISDS mechanism for resolving investor disputes? ... ( http://bit.ly/1GC0694 )
10:05 mircea_popescu an exercise in spurious stupidity ?
10:06 punkman oh wrong link, meant to post this http://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/2015/06/10/european-parliament-ttip-vote-cancelled-because-of-huge-public-pressure-say-green-meps/
10:06 assbot European Parliament TTIP vote cancelled ‘because of huge public pressure’ : EU Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1GC09Sl )
10:07 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161721 <-- more like it saved his career, imho
10:07 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 02:32:16; asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html << as described here.
10:08 funkenstein_ and from that article a major explosion of oxymoron detector: "Israeli military ethicist"
10:08 mircea_popescu what, by being israeli one's automatically unethical ? or above ethics ?
10:09 funkenstein_ israeli military
10:10 funkenstein_ heck military ethicist is bad enough
10:11 mircea_popescu i don't see it.
10:11 * funkenstein_ seeks for sexual analogy
10:13 mircea_popescu you're not going to start with "life's the greatest good in and of itself" and "we're all equal so consequently no-one's life is worth less than the shine on your shoes" are you ?
10:13 funkenstein_ How about most experiences prostitutes monogamy discussion group
10:14 mircea_popescu how about what ?
10:14 funkenstein_ How about top quadraplegic jugglers?
10:15 mircea_popescu you know, neither of these map on the original at all, and amusingly enough neither of these carries what you want it to, either.
10:15 mircea_popescu how about "most unwinged featherless flat nailed bipedals flight club"
10:15 funkenstein_ How about, bitcoin-assets windows ssl expert?
10:15 mircea_popescu if people were meant to fly they'd have had wings and if quadriplegics were meant to juggle they'd have had arms.
10:16 mircea_popescu im pretty sure we have one
10:17 mircea_popescu what exactly is your ethical objection to killing people, anyway ?
10:17 funkenstein_ none do as good as the original, lol still cracks me up
10:17 funkenstein_ none
10:17 funkenstein_ depends on the context
10:17 mircea_popescu so then....
10:17 mircea_popescu guy's job would be to context.
10:18 funkenstein_ but the organization in question is regarded as expert in driving ethics out of young recruits minds
10:18 mircea_popescu whose ethics ?
10:18 funkenstein_ any
10:18 mircea_popescu there's no such thing as "ethics".
10:18 funkenstein_ follow orders, don't think
10:18 mircea_popescu regarded by whom ?
10:18 mircea_popescu and moreover, since when is the young recruit a standard of measure ?
10:18 funkenstein_ actualy i agree with you on that no such thing as ethics.. but that's a longer discussion
10:19 funkenstein_ regarded by themselves, for example
10:19 mircea_popescu next you're going to judge the fief by the state of the peasantry.
10:19 mircea_popescu wtf is this, socialism ?
10:20 mircea_popescu if the young recruits weren't imbeciles, one probably wouldn't have to drive the broken fragments of a dysfunctionally-superficial pseudo-ethics out of their dumb skulls.
10:20 funkenstein_ it made me lol because, hey, pick a side
10:20 mircea_popescu but as it is, it impedes function.
10:20 mircea_popescu and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality
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10:21 mircea_popescu the point of every beta male since we were not yet descended.
10:21 funkenstein_ if you want merciless military, then go for it. but don't say "oh and here's our feelings discussion group"
10:21 mircea_popescu that may well be what you're reading into it, rather than what they're saying.
10:22 mircea_popescu lemme point out that the "feelings" idiots have no monopoly on ethics.
10:22 mircea_popescu in fact, they have absolutely no connection to ethics.
10:22 mircea_popescu if physics is mentioned do you automatically think of aluminum siding salesmen ?
10:23 funkenstein_ so Ethiks.. from the greek?
10:23 mircea_popescu i imagine in this case from the hebrew.
10:24 mats http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150611/srep10768/full/srep10768.html via /.
10:25 assbot Microrobotic tentacles with spiral bending capability based on shape-engineered elastomeric microtubes : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvI32z )
10:25 mircea_popescu moreover, killing and mercilessness aren't in the automatic relationship here proposed. there is such a thing as mercy killing.
10:25 asciilifeform there is also merciless sparing
10:25 mircea_popescu so there is.
10:25 mircea_popescu "VelocityViewServlet : Error processing a template for path '/vrender'
10:25 mircea_popescu Invocation of method 'getSubjectsByDOI' in class npg.ncode.velocity.toolbox.OntologyTool threw exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded at /view/macros/global.macros.vm[line 1082, column 68]
10:25 mircea_popescu java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded"
10:25 mircea_popescu aww, java lang outta memory ? I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS B4
10:25 asciilifeform l0ltr0n1c! what was mircea_popescu running ?
10:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly enough, mats link
10:26 mircea_popescu b-a slashdotted nature.com
10:26 mats oh nature
10:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform VELOCITYVIEW mind you!!1
10:26 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161800 << how does that work ?
10:26 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 14:20:45; mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality
10:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly what the slavegirl says : i am nothing, use me for something so in that i may become someone.
10:27 asciilifeform this sorta describes the condition one tries to beat soldiers into
10:27 mircea_popescu mno. this describes the condition of the vast majority of males.
10:27 mircea_popescu the beating is so they stop lying about it.
10:27 mircea_popescu chiefly, to themselves.
10:28 mircea_popescu that's what beating does, confronts the beta with the incontrovertible "if what i pretend were true and what i know to be true were not, how come i am then beaten ???"
10:28 mircea_popescu "i should be doing the beating"
10:29 mircea_popescu before it comes to actual beatings, plenty of excuses to be had from all quarters
10:30 mircea_popescu usually in the form "my real self hasn't emerged yet, but once it does... it took karate!11 it'll show you!11"
10:30 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-sid-hacker.pdf << l0l of the day! >> http://dpaste.com/1A5KQF4.txt
10:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvIIBi )
10:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvIGcA )
10:31 mircea_popescu POSSIBLE CLASSIFICATION IS TOP SECRET FROM: the SIDtoday Editor
10:31 funkenstein_ just because one has been beaten does not mean one is "someone"
10:31 mircea_popescu orly ?!
10:31 mircea_popescu "You'll see people in shorts, tee-shirts, flip-flops, black clothes."
10:31 mircea_popescu ok these are retards.
10:32 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ how did you read that in wha i said tho ?!
10:32 funkenstein_ i agree we all seek intelligent masters...
10:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you were to learn that they dress the programmers in evening coats instead, would not also say 'retards' ?
10:33 funkenstein_ but the one doing the beating is sadly often the less intelligent one
10:33 mircea_popescu so what, you propose the presence of an ethics officer pleads against the jdf's intelligence ?
10:33 funkenstein_ idf please
10:33 funkenstein_ jdf wtf???
10:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes dude, whenever magic is discussed in terms of the robes and hats i will say retards.
10:33 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ aok
10:33 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ yes my whip is not the most intelligent part of the household. so what of it.
10:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i understood, the robes were mentioned because 'see how unique is our directorate, we let the kidz dress in rags if they wish'
10:34 mircea_popescu dja know how you train bulldogs ?
10:34 funkenstein_ hey, I'm here for a reason :)
10:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform always an excuse, sure. they only did it ironically, you say ? fine, fine.
10:34 nubbins` so here's a lame article
10:34 nubbins` http://www.vice.com/read/the-tale-of-the-final-fantasy-vii-house-is-a-window-into-the-dark-side-of-cosplay-529
10:34 assbot When Fandom Goes Wrong: The Dark Tale of the 'Final Fantasy VII' House | VICE | United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvJgqM )
10:34 mircea_popescu ("ironically" is this internet meme where the actor pretends his actions are stupid but he knows it, he merely engages because of reasons. his job, his audience, tptb etc)
10:35 nubbins` tldr, some crazy lady rented a house and was a bit crazy
10:35 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you sit them in the door and you slam the door into them. they WILL chew down the door, but also learn better.
10:35 nubbins` feel free to skim the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the content
10:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've no idea why they did it beyond the obvious fact that the type of public employed there traditionally dresses in rags
10:35 mircea_popescu there's a reason those doing the beating are the dumbest of hte lot. this does not invalidate the beating.
10:35 nubbins` then, for the adult version of the same story, check this one out: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/paxton-s-version-police-interview-transcript-1.1271885
10:35 assbot Paxton's version: police interview transcript - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvJmP8 )
10:35 nubbins` asciilifeform get a chance to peek at that message?
10:35 mircea_popescu nubbins` so why even link vice then ?
10:36 mircea_popescu this hot topic of the internet.
10:36 asciilifeform nubbins`: yes. we have those here. boring, sop.
10:36 nubbins` mircea_popescu the vice thing popped up today and reminded me of the paxton caser
10:36 nubbins` *case
10:36 nubbins` very long transcript but filled with actual crazy.
10:36 mircea_popescu a ok
10:37 nubbins` the torture victim's name and picture were originally published but have since had a publication ban, so it's now "the victim" and the pics are all blurred.
10:37 nubbins` really strange
10:38 nubbins` there's conjecture that this is all related to outstanding investigations into hell's angels
10:38 mircea_popescu nubbins` im not gonna read 69 pages of this thing and the article doesn't make it too clear , i could see either side. got some selected quotes ?
10:38 mircea_popescu of course "investigation into hell's angels" is very much a case of police fighting a feud.
10:40 nubbins` hard to find good examples, the crazy is spread out
10:40 nubbins` it's a 233 page interview
10:40 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/ZOKvKFf.png
10:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvK0wa )
10:40 mircea_popescu not a great sign
10:41 asciilifeform nubbins`: the photos in the vice article look exactly like the ones i described in old thread - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996769
10:41 assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year
10:41 mircea_popescu nubbins` how would you explain the state of a roommate's palate ?
10:41 nubbins` mircea_popescu depends on whether i tortured him or not?
10:41 mircea_popescu suppose some ignorant twerps who think it's spelled palette asked you, about the cook dude
10:42 mircea_popescu this is an established fact now ?
10:42 nubbins` guy presented to ER weighing 80lbs down from 250, with his entire bottom lip missing
10:42 mircea_popescu ok...
10:42 nubbins` covered in welts and cuts, ears cauliflowered
10:42 nubbins` brain damage
10:42 nubbins` etc
10:42 mircea_popescu and you believe this is an impossibility re your cook roommate ?
10:42 nubbins` cook roomie is gone :D
10:42 mircea_popescu or do you believe you're in any case responsible ?
10:42 mircea_popescu heh. i see, good for you.
10:43 asciilifeform nubbins`: i dare to suggest that the vice article is a work of fiction. and that the illustrations are of the author's own dwelling.
10:44 mircea_popescu this is the standard interepretation whenever something appears in vice/slate/the rest of the shitsites.
10:44 mircea_popescu the case being otherwise is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence
10:44 asciilifeform this one has the stereotypical smell of just such a work.
10:44 mircea_popescu on par with extraterrestrials opening a bronx pond shop
10:44 asciilifeform the 'corners are rounded', so to speak.
10:45 mircea_popescu aha.
10:45 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/VblZ5Ek.png
10:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvKJxm )
10:45 nubbins` asciilifeform half the kids i went to uni with had houses messier than that
10:45 nubbins` "look at this ghastly photo of a couple things laid on an unmade bed"
10:46 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/SMPaPIF.png
10:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvKJgO )
10:46 nubbins` ^ check last 2 photos in order
10:46 mircea_popescu aha the det crippen guy knows his job
10:47 mircea_popescu i am at this point judging by the implicit cues and my understanding/preconceived notions re a functional police force that they most likely got their man.
10:47 mircea_popescu now whether you'd convict on thebasis of that mostlycomes down to whether you're republican or democrat.
10:48 danielpbarron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I
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10:48 assbot Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvL4A5 )
10:48 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/dustin-paxton-s-victim-says-brain-damage-kept-him-from-fleeing-1.2437472
10:48 assbot Dustin Paxton's victim says brain damage kept him from fleeing - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvL6YC )
10:49 nubbins` googling "dustin paxton" brings pics of the victim, but i can't recommend you look at them
10:49 mircea_popescu oh, we're squamish now /
10:49 nubbins` fuck it then
10:49 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/KgUc0uG.jpg
10:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvLkyV )
10:49 nubbins` click away :P
10:50 mircea_popescu http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/01/20/dustin-paxton-the-torturer-and-calgarys-jessica-rogers-the-liar-now-a-couple-and-dr-phil-episode << lol they look just like ordinary internet ppls.
10:50 assbot Dustin Paxton (the torturer) and Calgary's Jessica Rogers (the liar) now a coupl ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5eJTv )
10:52 mircea_popescu maybe they could take up the cause of feminism in gaming or something
10:54 mircea_popescu anyway, this gave me a chuckle :
10:54 mircea_popescu “I'm glad that he was declared a dangerous offender, but that only takes one person off the street, and there are lots of Paxtons out there, so the laws have to be changed to keep the public safe,” she said.
10:54 mircea_popescu “They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.”
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10:54 mircea_popescu strange case of inversion from
10:54 mircea_popescu William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
10:54 mircea_popescu Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
10:54 mircea_popescu William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
10:54 mircea_popescu Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safe
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10:54 mircea_popescu ty's sake!
10:54 nubbins` last one
10:54 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/D6uTRz2.png
10:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvM0o4 )
10:54 mircea_popescu ie... and once the public's safe from all the paxtons, who's to keep isis out of the usis ?
10:57 nubbins` related: http://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/2010/05/dustin-lafortune-moved-to-calgary-few.html
10:57 assbot Gangsters Out Blog: Hells Angel murder witness badly tortured ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvMkTR )
10:57 mircea_popescu is there a bdsm angle to all of this ?
10:57 mircea_popescu bikers, (leather's missing), weird living arrangements ?
11:00 nubbins` i've been reading about this case off and on for 4+ years and i still can't make any sense of it
11:00 nubbins` dude did beat his roomie w/ dog leashes, extension cords, etc
11:00 nubbins` is it still considered bdsm if only one party is into it? :D
11:01 mircea_popescu by whom ?
11:02 mircea_popescu by nature, yes. inasmuch as a party doesn't fight back, a welt's a welt and a smack's a smack you know ? whether you kloink your slave or your roomate over the head, whether they consented to it or not doesn't enter in the functions that return "isbraindamage" as aboolean.
11:04 nubbins` i read once that the victim was actually brought around to various locations to be beaten by different people
11:04 mircea_popescu i wonder why they're not chasing the bdsm angle.
11:05 mircea_popescu you'd expect it from the press neh ?
11:05 mircea_popescu is there some sort of canadian conspiraci ? are they afraid of that derpy canadian corp i bitchslapped thisspring ?
11:05 nubbins` ehhh i think BDSM angle doesn't add any further drama
11:05 nubbins` it's crazy enough as it is
11:06 mircea_popescu itdoesn't add any further drama ? you have the quote above.
11:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161932
11:06 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 14:54:10; mircea_popescu: “They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.”
11:08 nubbins` there was a push after this to add "torture" to the criminal code
11:08 nubbins` as it stands, in canada, it's only torture if it's performed by a state
11:08 mircea_popescu https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Paul_Jamin_-_Le_Brenn_et_sa_part_de_butin_1893.jpg <<
11:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvNQFA )
11:08 mircea_popescu brennus and his part of ... booty :D
11:08 shinohai http://indianexpress.com/article/india/in-2015s-biggest-seizure-customs-officials-at-mumbai-airport-seize-gold-worth-rs-1-99-crore-from-aircraft-toilets/ O.o
11:08 assbot Customs officials at Mumbai airport seize gold worth Rs 1.99 cr from aircraft toilets | The Indian Express ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvNU84 )
11:10 nubbins` 250kg gold since january :0
11:10 nubbins` what are they doing, repatriating it to the usa? :D
11:11 mircea_popescu lol, the indian state is desperate because minority holder in the country. indians are nuts with the stuff.
11:12 shinohai Someone may have literally shit gold bricks.
11:12 mircea_popescu but yes, they are, "storing" it where the germans did.
11:19 scoopbot_revived Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/
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11:22 kakobrekla hehe, gossipd still not done till 2115.
11:22 thestringpuller nubbins`: you get my pm?
11:22 mircea_popescu i'd bet on that...
11:24 thestringpuller so garzik proposes a soft-fork, and the shills act more retarded than ever stating, "No. We need to hard fork the network and up the cap."
11:26 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: lmao y'know that's a point i hadn't considered.
11:27 pete_dushenski or mebbe 'gossipd' does exist in a century but the kids are calling it 'irc' for nostalgia's sake
11:27 pete_dushenski and by 'the kids' i mean the lordship
11:28 pete_dushenski in any event, promises to do this or that 'by the end of the century even though we won't have a country' is the 2nd lulziest shit all week
11:29 pete_dushenski after david thorne, naturally
11:29 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161667 << true story, i had the mazda version of the same car
11:29 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 01:41:21; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe'
11:30 pete_dushenski ford and mazda co-developed the platform and each made their own body style atop it
11:30 pete_dushenski many parts were shared to save costs
11:30 pete_dushenski the digital dashboard included
11:30 pete_dushenski my 1988 mazda mx-6 *had the digital dashboard*
11:32 pete_dushenski http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8315/dsc000800224956.jpg << as seen here
11:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvRhMt )
11:33 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161628 << '82 all day. i loved the lines of that car as a kid.
11:33 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 01:22:27; ben_vulpes: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5067940938.html vs http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5050595367.html
11:33 pete_dushenski mebbe a 5-6 year old
11:33 pete_dushenski 9-10 year-old me wanted a jeep tj for some reason
11:34 pete_dushenski then computers came along and i didn't give a shit about cars until 2nd year university
11:34 pete_dushenski after taking public transport for an hour each way to class when it was only a 10-minute drive, i started caring about cars pretty quickly
11:37 nubbins` thestringpuller yep, got it
11:38 nubbins` is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?
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11:39 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: also, those vettes are a steal compared to the ones here http://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/strathcona-county/corvette-collectors-edition/1071669781 << "from washington state"
11:39 assbot Corvette Collectors Edition | classic cars | Strathcona County | Kijiji ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6VhIC )
11:40 pete_dushenski that's an extreme example, but even 'non-collectors' c3 vettes are still $15-20k here
11:43 thestringpuller nubbins`: depends on the cost.
11:46 funkenstein_ those are some nice wheelchairs
11:47 jurov http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dont-listen-to-edward-snowdens-supporters--his-leaks-have-been-a-gift-to-terrorists-10307959.html such bull
11:47 assbot Don't listen to Edward Snowden's supporters – his leaks have been a gift to terrorists - Comment - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6VPOE )
11:58 pete_dushenski "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups developing new encryption technology."
11:58 pete_dushenski more like "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups to discard new encryption technology in favour of good ol' pgp. "
11:59 pete_dushenski sorry, "new techmologee"
11:59 pete_dushenski "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."
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11:59 pete_dushenski haha excellent.
12:07 danielpbarron !up goregrind
12:08 jurov !up AmbitionzAzARida
12:14 pete_dushenski funkenstein_: replied http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/space-travel-isnt-for-you-there-are-no-virgins-there-either/#comment-20265
12:14 assbot Space travel isn’t for you. There are no virgins there either. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6Y5FU )
12:17 pete_dushenski aaaand i'm off to meatlandia ! laters !
12:22 nubbins` thestringpuller summers are busy so if this is a real project, yes, otherwise no
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12:55 mats https://www.nccgroup.trust/uk/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blogs/2015/june/blind-return-oriented-programming
12:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1e91h3y )
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13:25 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/MOCMJ3t.jpg
13:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1e95VOV )
13:26 jurov howdy! having 'roos outbreak in south africa?
13:27 fluffypony lol
13:28 fluffypony nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)
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13:28 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:28 jurov https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron
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13:29 * ascii_field listened, out of entomological interest, to a recording of interview with hearn. yes, him. among the expected idiocies, hearn confessed to an interest in 'remote attestation' and 'trusted computing' as 'promising' alternatives to normally functioning bitcoin...
13:29 trinque jurov: I already see him in that thread
13:29 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128131 << see also.
13:29 assbot Logged on 11-05-2015 18:32:09; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat
13:32 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162009 << 3/4 short of goal.
13:32 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 15:59:37; pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."
13:37 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161973 << what even.
13:37 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 15:19:36; scoopbot_revived: Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/
13:40 trinque 2115? :(
13:40 trinque gimme the 2040s at the latest
13:42 ascii_field that wasn't even the lulziest thing
13:42 ascii_field but the bureaucratic flavour of 'u.n. minutes'
13:42 ascii_field i assume pete meant this as a spoof
13:42 jurov http://digg.com/video/mad-scientist-builds-a-40-watt-laser-shotgun ascii_field you wanted laserguns?
13:42 assbot Mad Scientist Builds A 40-Watt Laser Shotgun - Digg ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSJaKW )
13:43 jurov ;;lasers
13:43 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
13:43 trinque jurov: that thing looks damned fun; needs more lasers and MOAR POWER though
13:43 ascii_field eh scam
13:43 ascii_field diode array laser isn't additive !
13:43 trinque oh :(
13:44 ascii_field (there is a reason coherent beans are more interesting than 'archimedes'-style collimated white light)
13:44 ben_vulpes client is using heroku
13:44 ben_vulpes heroku does not persist state
13:44 ben_vulpes users want to upload images
13:44 ben_vulpes solution?
13:44 trinque an hero-ku
13:44 ben_vulpes IMAGES INTO POSTGRES BINARY FIELD WOOO
13:44 ben_vulpes an hero-kun!
13:45 jurov ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not
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13:45 ascii_field jurov: i'd pick it over nagant
13:46 jurov ben_vulpes: redirect them to imgur?
13:46 ben_vulpes mnah
13:46 ben_vulpes i prefer to abuse mother postgres
13:46 ben_vulpes loosen her up with these big old binaries
13:47 trinque it'll totally work
13:47 nubbins` ascii_field i think he used a lens to focus the discrete beams
13:48 nubbins` that said, i was pretty unimpressed with the amount of time it took to light paper on fire
13:48 ascii_field nubbins`: do you understand what 'coherence' means re: laser light ?
13:48 nubbins` i could do better with a lens on a sunny day
13:48 nubbins` ascii_field in general
13:49 ascii_field nubbins`: not same as collimation.
13:49 jurov he had fixed focus
13:49 ascii_field it means that wave is in phase.
13:49 ascii_field nothing whatsoever to do with focus
13:49 ben_vulpes trinque: it *did* totally work
13:50 nubbins` sure
13:50 jurov might be interesting to reuse old camera with autofocus
13:50 nubbins` i still think he used a lens to focus the beams 8)
13:50 ascii_field http://amasci.com/miscon/coherenc.html
13:50 assbot WHAT IS COHERENCE? Lasers and coherent light ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSKCwW )
13:50 ascii_field ^^^ mandatory
13:52 jurov ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?
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13:52 jurov energy gets trnasferred to target eithrt
13:52 jurov *either
13:52 ascii_field jurov: yes.
13:52 trinque matter of constructive or destructive interference right?
13:53 ascii_field jurov: sorta like the famous gedankenexperiment where chinese radio orders all citizens to get on stools and jump at the same time
13:53 trinque hahaha
13:54 jurov if you happen to end up with destructive coherence between two laser diodes, where the energy goes?
13:54 jurov *intereference
13:55 ascii_field jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRi4dv9KgCg
13:55 assbot Optics: Destructive interference - Where does the light go? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSLmlO )
13:55 nubbins` same place it goes when two people jump into opposite ends of pool
13:57 jurov okay. so i'd combine different wavelengths diodes then. still more easily to obtain here than nagant parts and ammo
13:57 ascii_field jurov: seriously, easier ?
13:59 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:59 jurov !up ascii_field
13:59 ascii_field jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)
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13:59 jurov it makes noise
13:59 ascii_field or hell, in what country can one not make an arbalest ?
13:59 ascii_field from materials in any skip ?
14:00 jurov nagant ==== arbalest now?
14:00 ascii_field at close range, i'd rather take nagant bullet than a bolt from arbalest (if decently constructed)
14:03 ascii_field http://laserpointerforums.com/attachments/f39/46301d1413484753-40w-co2-laser-tube-power-supply-tubeandps.jpg << actual 40w laser. i have this (very common!) tube.
14:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAgZQr )
14:04 ascii_field ir. so no one will be making 'sexy' films about these.
14:05 jurov see the chunky power supply next to it? that's why
14:05 ascii_field jurov: photo doesn't even include the water pumps and chiller
14:05 mod6 im attempting to apply the gcc patch we discussed the other night: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html
14:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAhutI )
14:05 ascii_field (serious co2 lasers also recirculate the actual co2, rather than keeping it in sealed pipe)
14:05 mod6 gentoo has an ability to allow you to do an overlay .. but holy crap. gentoo is such a nightmare.
14:06 ascii_field gentoo is a nightmare but the non-gentoo world is an utter hell
14:06 jurov so, in the end, combining x diodes even if not coherent needs less energy than one coherent tube.
14:06 mod6 and the documentation is so bad, it's not even accurate, and makes assumptions about the audience. smh.
14:06 ascii_field i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo
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14:06 ascii_field (or bsd)
14:07 nubbins` osx ;p
14:07 * nubbins` cackles, weeps
14:07 nubbins` so i popped a brand-new piece of mesh this morning
14:07 nubbins` let me find a pic
14:07 mod6 trinque says y, "to learn gentoo, you must have learned gentoo". which is the total truth. you can't just pick this thing up and figure it out.
14:07 mod6 you have to pick it up and then figure out all out. bzzzzt.
14:07 ascii_field jurov: the best known way to combine power from multiple diode lasers is fiber. but this only works for certain wavelengths where fiber works well.
14:08 nubbins` http://imgur.com/KXZT8TX
14:08 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSNWrR )
14:08 ascii_field jurov: you can get a few dozen kW of this on, e.g., 'ebay'
14:08 ascii_field aim like garden hose.
14:08 nubbins` *brand* new. hadn't even been sullied with ink yet.
14:11 mod6 UGH
14:12 jurov mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
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14:13 mod6 i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.
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14:14 shinohai I havent picked up gentoo yet :/
14:16 mod6 im still not sure why we're not taking a hard look at openbsd
14:18 mod6 after 6 weeks, all that I can conclude about gentoo is it's basically unuseable.
14:18 nubbins` there was some discussion on this
14:18 nubbins` iirc, *BSD is a completely other type of retarded.
14:18 jurov O.o how unuseable?
14:19 nubbins` gentoo was chosen, i believe, at the behest of alf
14:19 mod6 it's unuseable.
14:19 nubbins` mod6 i compiled bitcoind on gentoo
14:19 nubbins` and buildroot as well
14:19 mod6 i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
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14:19 nubbins` there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
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14:19 nubbins` it just doesn't exist
14:20 * nubbins` takes a break from corporate income tax forms
14:20 jurov maybe it just refuses to fit your preconceptions
14:21 nubbins` ^
14:21 mod6 naw, i have no preconceptions about anything. im talking about using this thing.
14:21 mod6 and it sucks.
14:21 nubbins` mod6 for god's sakes man, use specifics
14:21 jurov i'm use it daily as my desktop. for years and yes, pls sepcifics
14:21 nubbins` this is like telling the waiter your food tastes un-good
14:21 nubbins` is it too salty or is there poop in it?
14:23 shinohai evening assets https://i.imgur.com/yPNebWv.jpg [nsfw for some]
14:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSQt5p )
14:24 nubbins` not sure why you shared that, but hi
14:24 ben_vulpes in what world is that nsfw?
14:24 mod6 what i'm sayin is this: without expert knowledge of how to use gentoo, I can't do what needs to be done in a reasonable amount of time. everyting for me in there is arduous, painstaking.
14:24 nubbins` the old world
14:24 nubbins` mod6 an example, please
14:24 nubbins` what can you not do
14:25 mod6 umm. everything.
14:25 nubbins` HELP US HELP YOU
14:25 nubbins` you can't get a bash prompt?
14:25 jurov mod6 if what you are doing is compiling C binaries, then learning to solve gentoo problems is unavoidable part of it
14:25 nubbins` can't get online?
14:25 nubbins` wat
14:25 jurov and yes, what is *the* problem?
14:25 shinohai http://xtnodes.com/ <<<LOLOLOL
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14:25 assbot XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAmP4k )
14:27 mod6 <+nubbins`> you can't get a bash prompt? << for instance on my POS box that I bought for $129.00 an x86_64 core2duo, I can't even install the os. All i can do is boot the livecd, do the chroot stuff, and then end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot. when it comes to my instance in AWS, i've had better luck, but doing stuff for me is so time consuming. in this case, i need to get gcc recompiled with patches to see if we can get past this error we
14:27 mod6 could I just pull down gcc-4.8.4 itself and patch? sure. it'd be a lot easier.
14:28 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << gentoo is not an evening thing. it is a lifetime commitment.
14:28 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
14:28 mod6 but im positive that i'd never get it configured correctly to use uclibc and whatever other configurations are required to even test this patch. even if I get the patch to work, how am I supposed to get this into such a state that someone else can repeat it?
14:29 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:29 mod6 luckally trinque has been holdig my hand on all of this.
14:29 mod6 but... *shrug*. w/e.
14:29 ascii_field and i should point out that in my mind gentoo is defined by ~absences~ of crud, rather than specific attributes which are ~present~
14:29 jurov end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot << for example this is you're 90% there, use the prompt to find the kernel and boot, then reconfigure grub from the running system
14:30 * mod6 goes back to banging his head
14:30 jurov what head banging there?
14:30 jurov grub can be problematic in any distro
14:31 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162166 << poor schmuck, he oughta ask his handler at ft meade for more boxes
14:31 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:25:57; shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/ <<<LOLOLOL
14:40 kakobrekla you dont need more boxes
14:40 ascii_field mr hearnia does
14:44 trinque their github readme tries to make it sound like it's not just about the block size
14:45 trinque clear intent to frame the blocksize thing in the context of a bunch of other (bullshit) progress!
14:45 trinque "DNS seed changes: bitseed.xf2.org is removed as it no longer works, and seeds from Addy Yeow and Mike Hearn are (re)added to increase seed diversity and redundancy." << LOL
14:46 fluffypony [19:59:12] <Relos>I can hear mary antoinette saying: "let them eat cake"
14:46 fluffypony mary
14:46 fluffypony MARY
14:46 fluffypony omg nubbins`
14:46 fluffypony Mary Antoinette sounds like a maid from the farmlands
14:46 ascii_field l0ltr0n1c
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15:06 punkman http://bitcoinassociation.ch/blog/no-vat-on-bitcoin-in-switzerland/
15:06 assbot No VAT on Bitcoin in Switzerland | Bitcoin Association Switzerland ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7b4r7 )
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15:26 mircea_popescu !up danielpbarron
15:26 mircea_popescu !up tank100
15:29 punkman http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08158.html
15:29 assbot [Bitcoin-development] Miners: You'll (very likely) need to upgrade your Bitcoin Core node soon to support BIP66 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT1Daq )
15:29 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:29 ascii_field punkman: 'need to' aha
15:29 ascii_field l0l
15:30 mircea_popescu herpitty-derp.
15:32 mircea_popescu ;;calc .95 * 1 + 2 - 2.8
15:32 gribble 0.15
15:32 mircea_popescu seems the red line's way off.
15:33 mircea_popescu ah actually mebbe not.
15:33 mircea_popescu anyway, this is the thing trying to fix the signatures issue isn';t it ?
15:34 punkman one of them at least
15:34 mircea_popescu right.
15:34 mircea_popescu anyway, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << prolly worth yet another read
15:34 assbot bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT2mbq )
15:35 mircea_popescu there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin
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15:35 punkman in other news http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Bitcoin+Gets+Second+Wind+As+World%26apos%3Bs+First+Hair+Wholesaler,+AiryHair,+Ditches+Cash+For+Cryptocurrency+With+A+Rap+Video/10644510.html
15:35 assbot Bitcoin Gets Second Wind As World's First Hair Wholesaler, AiryHair, Ditches Cash For Cryptocurrency With A Rap Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT2s2M )
15:36 mircea_popescu also iirc valid sigs that are uncompliant can actually be fixed without resigining
15:36 mircea_popescu punkman second wind eh ?mmmkay.
15:36 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162213 << just say when.
15:36 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 19:35:05; mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin
15:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161998 << lotta those ?
15:37 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 15:38:37; nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?
15:47 nubbins` there's like $150 worth of concept sketches of you riding a horse and squinting at the sun around here somewhere
15:47 mircea_popescu ahaha what was that all about ?
15:47 ascii_field in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
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15:47 ascii_field every time i have to burn (or even read) an eeprom i end up doing something retarded like this - http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/romsucker_working.png
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15:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162025 << poor gavin, everyone wants a piece of his ass now. the sad fate of the internet lolcow.
15:47 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:47; jurov: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron
15:48 nubbins` mircea_popescu ask tsp i guess :D
15:48 mircea_popescu ascii_field that's not SO retarded.
15:48 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it is monumentally retarded to do whole day's work to read back an 8k rom.
15:48 ascii_field 4k actually
15:48 ascii_field (in that photo)
15:49 mircea_popescu but you keeping the pinboard around neh ?
15:49 mircea_popescu do it once have it forevar.
15:49 ascii_field no because next time, different pinout
15:49 ascii_field have to tear it out, pull out pen, paper...
15:49 ascii_field rom burner is this thing where you don't have to. pull the part # from db and drop in the chip
15:49 ascii_field (into 'zif' socket with mechanical lever, too, avoid bending the ancient pins
15:49 ascii_field )
15:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162055 << what happens if i wear tin foil ?
15:50 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:45:18; jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not
15:51 mircea_popescu ascii_field one for each pinout ?
15:51 ascii_field mircea_popescu: one for each pin pitch
15:51 mircea_popescu lol get a lever pinboard!!1
15:52 ascii_field (you can drop arbitrary dip into a dip-40 so long as it physically fits, and the microcontroller knows what to do)
15:52 ascii_field nobody makes lever breadboards.
15:52 mircea_popescu they should tho
15:52 ascii_field http://www.logicaldevices.com/cm6000u.JPG << example of rom burner
15:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QtOoCc )
15:53 ascii_field breadboards are also terrible re: distortion.
15:53 mircea_popescu aha
15:53 ascii_field the correct solution to the problem is physically shaped like the above photo.
15:53 jurov mircea_popescu: as long as there are breathing/talking holes left...
15:54 decimation yeah breadboards have large distributed impedance
15:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162078 << yes dude. the difference between cars going the same place and cars going at the same pace.
15:54 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:52:04; jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?
15:55 mircea_popescu not even. "cars going the same place and cars being wheel to wheel on the road"
15:55 shinohai I need a logo: http://i.imgur.com/Of7w3cz.jpg
15:56 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162094 << any boy that is allowed to be a photo-hipster can turn plain paper into nitrocellulose. that'll work better than butane.
15:56 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:59:25; ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)
15:56 ascii_field ^ did this
15:56 shinohai lol
15:57 nubbins` you also need a font with a # character
15:57 nubbins` and a white drop shadow
15:57 nubbins` :P
15:57 ascii_field but the butane example pertains to hypothetical boy with access only to 'typical u.s. household' garbage
15:57 shinohai yes indeed. potato quality indeed.
15:58 mircea_popescu shinohai you're jewish ?
15:58 shinohai i have jewish family. im not religious myself in any traditional sense.
15:58 mircea_popescu ascii_field https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yE7v4wkuZU
15:59 shinohai but, i couldn't resist a play on the yeshiva theme.
15:59 ascii_field mircea_popescu: yes, we did this.
15:59 ascii_field back in the free world.
15:59 mircea_popescu aha
16:00 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162112 < ascii lots of 'serious folks' use redhat for this reason
16:00 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:06:34; ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo
16:00 mircea_popescu dear god the guy in there's unsafe.
16:00 mircea_popescu seriously, placing your hand to block the upside clearance of the berzelius glass ?
16:00 decimation as much as they derp on shit, they still do a decent job of delivering a platform that is a stable target
16:00 mircea_popescu wtf, who does this
16:00 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:02 trinque decimation: I probably understand more about redhat's stable target than your garden-variety redhat user because I've used gentoo for so long
16:02 scoopbot_revived Reddit Outrage Reveals Silicon Valley Censorship Agenda http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/
16:02 decimation trinque: trust me I've lived on gentoo for years
16:03 decimation it forced me to learn why I don't want the latest of everything
16:03 BingoBoingo Fuck
16:03 ascii_field i find all unixlikes but gentoo and freebsd to be quite unusable for daily work
16:03 trinque yep, and also of what a linux system is actually composed
16:03 decimation ascii_field: but you have admitted that you don't pull gentoo updates regularly
16:03 mircea_popescu aww BingoBoingo why so short ?
16:03 ascii_field aha
16:04 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Draft, accidentipublished. Returned to draft bin
16:04 mircea_popescu aok
16:04 decimation so youre 'gentoo' is really gentoo* where * denotes "hand selected all software"
16:04 ascii_field aha
16:04 mircea_popescu you know, trilema has a 5 minute delay in the rss feed for this and similar reasons
16:04 ascii_field anything else is a sewage pit
16:04 BingoBoingo https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << In other news two non-suck traffic days in a row
16:04 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOj4H )
16:04 decimation I do admit that when I've tried openbsd I've been impressed by the presence of actual documentation
16:05 trinque also had a great introductory experience w/ obsd
16:05 decimation I also admit that rhel7 is a clusterfuck
16:06 decimation and redhat is going 'full vm'
16:07 trinque decimation: doing the coreos thing with dual-roots or something?
16:07 decimation well, it's more that redhat seems to focus nearly 100% on providing vm clients and hosts
16:08 decimation that and j2ee bullshit
16:08 decimation their focus on providing a reasonable experience for the console user is nearly nonexistent
16:08 decimation !up asciilifeform
16:08 decimation !up ascii_field
16:11 ascii_field there is NO reason why eeprom programmer shouldn't just appear as usb mass storage on the pc end
16:11 ascii_field http://www.sslug.dk/~chlor/prom << even in '02 this was obvious
16:12 decimation ascii_field: why does it require specialized turdware then?
16:12 ascii_field decimation: because the world is awash in turdmeisters
16:12 ascii_field also in 1990s gigantic microcontrollers did not exist, and the complexity (db of possible chips, etc) had to live in software
16:12 ascii_field on pc end
16:13 decimation yeah, plus proprietary chip configurations
16:13 ascii_field http://blog.killtheradio.net/tricks-hacks/how-to-get-the-top2004-programmer-running-under-windows-7-64-bit << even under winblows, they suck
16:13 ascii_field (what -doesn't- suck there ?)
16:13 decimation it's kinda like modern cars having few user-servicable parts
16:13 decimation apparently the 'demand' doesn't exist
16:13 decimation or if it does, it has been quashed
16:14 decimation "who needs to fix their own chips?"
16:14 ascii_field 'who needs a logic analyzer that can talk to software people write themselves' ? (see yesterday's thread)
16:15 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162127 << why ? is this some new jurov rule ?
16:15 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:12:31; jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
16:16 decimation ascii_field: yeah I read your bitching
16:16 jurov you know of anything both insanely configurable and immediately intuitive?
16:16 mircea_popescu death.
16:16 ascii_field !b 2
16:16 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Y9MJ0Z.txt )
16:17 trinque bwahaha
16:17 ascii_field decimation: it blows my mind that the market for sane engineering tools of even very basic varieties DOES NOT EXIST
16:17 mircea_popescu do i get a prize ?
16:17 ascii_field this is how you get the iranian centrifuges with winblows, etc
16:17 jurov mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want.
16:17 mircea_popescu well... kill someone, at any rate.
16:19 mircea_popescu ascii_field it's really a socialism problem. the plebeian criterion "it works" has surpassed the aristocratic "it makes sense". this is supposedly... better. in fact it's merely cheaper,
16:19 decimation ascii_field: yeah I have a friend who used to work at HP developing logic analyzers
16:19 mircea_popescu in the limited sense of "cheaper" that means "more accessible to the plebs"
16:19 decimation he saw the writing on the wall when the winblows mandate came around, decided to bail
16:19 ascii_field mircea_popescu: thing is, we could get the $20k one here at $firm. but it will RUN XP
16:19 ascii_field and so we don't.
16:20 decimation to be clear, in the case of logic analyzers the main problem is that only fancy chip makers use them anymore
16:20 ascii_field (yes, the high-end instruments ~actually run xp~)
16:20 mircea_popescu soo... quantcast "upgraded" its site, now i can no longer see the graphs.
16:20 decimation ascii_field: surely there are older HP models that run HP-UX?
16:20 ascii_field decimation: older ones have no way of pushing bits to pc at channel speed !
16:20 decimation then you might get to write some IEEE-488
16:21 decimation no usually not
16:21 ascii_field i need them at channel speed.
16:21 decimation they have a shitty gpib
16:21 decimation these days if you want to buy high speed logic, you buy a chip where someone else did everything for you
16:21 ascii_field why the fuck would i pay for a machine with a 128kB buffer and 1G/s sample rate ?
16:21 decimation so the market for logic analyzers has shrunk to chip makers
16:21 ascii_field if it can't piss the bits out to pc at 1G/s
16:22 decimation this is a problem with test equipment in general
16:22 decimation very few support streaming data at reasonable rates
16:22 ascii_field decimation: chip makers willing to use xp
16:22 decimation absolutely they are
16:22 decimation because they assign their indian h1b to test the chip
16:22 decimation don't give a fuck what indian thinks
16:23 decimation ascii_field: what about this: https://www.saleae.com/
16:23 assbot The Logic Analyzer with Analog - Saleae ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThqI2R )
16:23 ascii_field decimation: slow as fuck, and USED CLOSED DRIVER
16:23 decimation heh yeah it is slow
16:24 decimation what you expect for usb 2
16:24 ascii_field so solves NEITHER
16:24 ascii_field may as well be a winblows item like the 1,001 it competes with
16:24 decimation the driver might be closed, but supposedly you can buy chinese knockoffs for cheap
16:24 ascii_field aha already got one of those
16:24 trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/12/us-cybersecurity-usa-whitehouse-idUSKBN0OS26Q20150612 << 14mil employees' data affected up from 4mil
16:24 assbot White house: cannot confirm reports 14 million affected by hack| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThqQ2l )
16:24 ascii_field utter garbage
16:24 trinque hilarious
16:24 trinque "cannot confirm"
16:25 trinque I look forward to the day when somebody makes their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from there.
16:25 decimation ascii_field: so you want high speed, streaming and no winblows?
16:25 decimation I don't think that exists
16:26 decimation what frequency do you need?
16:26 ascii_field decimation: 500MHz+
16:26 decimation streaming 500 megasamples/sec?
16:26 ascii_field aha.
16:26 decimation heh that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead
16:27 ascii_field it'd fit on pci-e handily
16:27 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, pretty good, i see pretty much no article qntra published this month got less than 1k reads THIS MONTH. last months pushing 5-10 depending. it's not bad by any measure.
16:27 mircea_popescu i doubt vice has that much readership, notwithstanding the count of clucking clickers clicking around.
16:27 ascii_field decimation: and it is way below the write speed of my hdd, which is the real limit
16:27 decimation ascii_field: does it need to go down to DC? You could use an 'ettus radio'
16:28 ascii_field decimation: yes it needs to go to dc
16:28 ascii_field wtf else is a logic analyzer
16:28 ascii_field if i have a steady state, it needs to show - that.
16:28 ascii_field if 100MHz square wave - then it.
16:28 ascii_field otherwise it's a turd
16:28 decimation most of those radios don't go down below 100 mhz
16:28 ascii_field decimation: radio doesn't pick up arbitrary waveforms
16:29 ascii_field it wants carriers, fsk, etc
16:29 ascii_field a radio is not an oscilloscope !
16:29 decimation sure is, if it goes down to DC
16:29 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2015#1001114 << couple of 500mhz devices listed there, I wouldn't hope for much though
16:29 assbot Logged on 01-02-2015 07:05:04; punkman: ;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you http://sigrok.org/wiki/Supported_hardware#Logic_analyzers
16:29 decimation yeah it does do arbitrary waveforms
16:30 mod6 <+jurov> mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah, thanks for the tip.
16:30 jurov not me, mircea
16:30 ascii_field punkman: saw that, yes
16:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162128 o.O
16:30 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:13:31; mod6: i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.
16:30 decimation ascii_field: what about rhode & schwarz?
16:30 mircea_popescu mod6 you seriously proposing marrying to openbsd ?
16:30 ascii_field decimation: where is the mention of linux there ?
16:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << fwiw this was my experience as well, but not sure whether this is because badly packaged or outright evil.
16:31 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
16:31 decimation I think they might use winblows too
16:31 decimation I told their sales guy that was a dumb idea
16:31 ascii_field decimation: so 100% as worthless as agilent et al
16:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162140 << why ?
16:32 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
16:32 trinque mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend
16:32 decimation they were trying to 'break into the market' with a different oscope
16:32 ascii_field i see nothing 'different' about it
16:32 ascii_field even has the asinine 'ask for quote'
16:32 ascii_field so they can give usg own price, and you - another
16:32 trinque it's just a matter of having the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head
16:33 trinque the handbook they have is overly complex, and tries to include you in the decisionmaking
16:33 mircea_popescu trinque i recall that part...
16:33 mod6 eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting to the point with this thing where i realize at least 1 thing: I don't have the technical experience in the context of gentoo to get us where we want to go in a timly fashion. My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before that. Everything has been a struggle here, for me. Not that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's taking me waaay too long. Maybe I just had bad expectations as
16:33 decimation ascii_field: http://www.effectivebits.net/2011/08/to-run-windows-or-not-to-run-windows.html < supposedly some tektronix scopes run linux
16:33 assbot Effective Bits: To run Windows or not to run Windows - All About Oscilloscope Operating Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTbL2T )
16:34 mircea_popescu mod6 the problem is that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard to sell that thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases"
16:34 decimation tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if they don't have something than probably nobody does
16:34 mod6 that's fair. gentoo might be the right move.
16:34 mircea_popescu fwiw de raadt isn't even in here.
16:34 ascii_field decimation: as far as i can tell, they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link
16:34 decimation yeah possibly not
16:35 decimation that's probably a 'premium feature'
16:35 ascii_field not for 100, not for 100,000
16:35 ascii_field not for $maxint.
16:35 ascii_field motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out the bits to pci-e lanes.
16:35 ascii_field talking about perhaps 1,000 transistors here.
16:35 ascii_field and nobody wants to sell this.
16:35 ascii_field for any amount.
16:36 decimation well, possibly because they are afraid someone will 'cut them out' of the user interface
16:36 decimation then all they have to sell is some analog electronics attached to a digitizer
16:36 ascii_field or will 'have problems'
16:36 ascii_field and factory mysteriously burns
16:37 mircea_popescu ascii_field so the 1k transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct. time to move on eh ?
16:38 decimation actually it's not so much that
16:38 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i need it here and now.
16:38 decimation I suspect it might run into 'itar' rules too
16:38 decimation so 'no export for you'
16:38 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
16:38 ascii_field and anyone pursuing sanity today, needs it.
16:38 * mircea_popescu hands ascii_field a roll of duct tape and taped old tv shows
16:39 ascii_field probably ought to explain. see all of those instruments that were never reverse-engineered adequately ?
16:39 mircea_popescu yes
16:39 ascii_field it was from a lack of precisely this simple tool.
16:39 mircea_popescu figures.
16:39 ascii_field (and, often, the muscles)
16:39 ascii_field but must have ~both~
16:39 mircea_popescu looky, there's no argument here, i can follow what you're saying. this thing is not hard to make, is a requisite, should exist but does not. definitely it's a niche.
16:40 mircea_popescu this has been established.
16:41 mircea_popescu i like it when people doing digital bullshit speak of "bespoke". yeah, totally, it means something OTHER than "we want to be paid 10x what our shit's worth on the open market for no other reason than we feel so special and we got a bookmarked link to a thesaurus website"
16:42 ascii_field most likely don't even own a thesaurus, but simply read neal stephenson's novel 'diamond age.'
16:42 mircea_popescu besuckmycocke
16:42 mircea_popescu mmmyeah
16:42 decimation there is no 'bespoke' in electronics
16:42 mircea_popescu ya think ?
16:42 decimation everything is made en-mass in chip fabs
16:43 decimation if the indian tester fucked up the chip for your application, sucks for you
16:43 mircea_popescu anyway, ascii_field, how does one check cardanos without an oscilloscope ?
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16:44 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the digital half is easier, given as most of the action takes place on the micro
16:44 ascii_field the rng -must- be checked with scope
16:44 ascii_field but, fortunately, it is a low-speed device
16:44 mircea_popescu my question to you is, why must it be checked at higher frequency than what we use.
16:44 mircea_popescu we don't poll it 500mhz
16:44 mircea_popescu not even close.
16:44 ascii_field because nyquist
16:44 mircea_popescu even so.
16:44 ascii_field but in this story i was not speaking of cardano
16:45 mircea_popescu there's a math approach to select good multiples.
16:45 mircea_popescu do half, one and a half, three, whatever's normally done.
16:46 ascii_field one sometimes wishes to capture fast signals, e.g., pci bus.
16:47 ascii_field in pursuit of sanity.
16:47 mircea_popescu yeah
16:48 mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtd4jESZD1r31l4no1_500.gif
16:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThucSX )
16:51 mod6 <+trinque> mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend << yup, this is true. and I haven't been able to try it out yet. i'm planning on trying out the steps that he deed'd tomorrow. the image is great, but the goal is to get to a working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way. so even if the image works, im not sure this is something to be used for anything else. he
16:52 ascii_field mod6: ...working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way << i suspect that this is a nonstarter on account of the unavailability of sane hardware. see the thread where mircea_popescu installed gentoo and then threw it off a cliff
16:53 trinque ascii_field: stageN -> genkernel -> grub2-install -> grub2-mkconfig ??
16:53 mod6 well, im afraid of that too. so what to do then? i hope I haven't just been wasting my time then.
16:53 trinque works for me every time
16:53 ascii_field what this means, in practice, is that a reasonable ( i won't say 'sane' because these do not exist presently ) computer system is not a machine, but a ~place~ - like a church organ
16:53 ascii_field the man who built it, is also part of it
16:53 ascii_field and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely
16:53 ascii_field and compensated
16:54 ascii_field but notice there is no how-to book, 'build church organ in 21 days'
16:54 ascii_field perhaps particle accelerator is better analogy
16:54 decimation ascii it is quite possible that oscopes with this kind of capability are considered itar controlled
16:55 ascii_field decimation: the fuck'd i care, i'm in usa
16:55 ascii_field ought to be able to buy
16:55 mod6 i guess i didn't realize that gentoo =~ particle accelerator haha
16:55 decimation yeah but generally if it is itar controlled, nobody makes except maybe for golden toilet price
16:55 ascii_field mod6: not gentoo. gentoo+hardware+man
16:55 ascii_field ~system~
16:55 trinque ascii_field: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-06-11-20-17-45.txt
16:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTg0eL )
16:55 trinque that should at least clear the grub hurdle
16:56 trinque can fine-tune from there
16:56 trinque it wont reproduce my local set-up, but it sounds like the bar is merely "get a uclibc build env for bitcoind"
16:57 mod6 my problem here, is ok, let's say that i get this far and then trinque generiously helps me get the rest of the way to it "working". but what about everyone else?
16:57 decimation ascii_field: honestly if you want this product you are probably going to need to build yourself
16:58 ascii_field decimation: here i sit, building approximately it myself.
16:59 decimation ascii_field: what about these http://www.signatec.com/products/daq/high-speed-digitizer-pc-interfaces.html
16:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTgH7T )
16:59 ascii_field decimation: very tediously, and at great expense.
16:59 ascii_field decimation: where's the 100% open spec ?
17:00 decimation heh good luck on that
17:00 trinque mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does?
17:00 mod6 so, anyway, i dunno. i guess that's just where I'm at. I'll keep working towards getting something going for myself. go from there I guess.
17:01 ascii_field decimation: gotta love the 'full data sheet' without ANY programming info
17:01 decimation apparently it does have linux drivers
17:01 decimation probably binary blobs
17:01 ascii_field useless then.
17:02 decimation it does meet your other specs though
17:02 decimation and 'only' $11k
17:02 mod6 <+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that. you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I.
17:02 ascii_field and i don't need the adc for anything
17:02 mod6 i mean, we're basically trying to build our own linux here specifically for the R.I.
17:02 trinque mod6: sounds like livecd plus a finished version of my script there
17:03 mod6 ok. cool. I'll give it a try.
17:03 ascii_field mod6: we ~did~ build own linux for the r.i.
17:03 ascii_field this one's for human use
17:03 ascii_field as i understand
17:03 trinque thing is partitioning's a very personal decision
17:03 decimation wait I thought you wanted adc
17:03 ascii_field decimation: nope
17:03 ascii_field decimation: logic capture
17:03 mod6 well, we started with Deb6 + packages.
17:03 ascii_field between known-low and known-high
17:03 decimation so you only need 500 mhz '1-bit' samples?
17:03 ascii_field aha
17:04 decimation yeah do it yourself
17:04 decimation this card I linked is probably the closest 'industry' has
17:04 trinque mod6: if you use the disk image approach the livecd story becomes very simple
17:04 trinque that thing's only purpose could be to dump you into a booted gentoo which you then follow instructions to configure
17:04 trinque complete with various "oh you want to encrypt /home ?" and so on
17:05 trinque livecd boots, starts bash script whose only purpose is to be told which drive to obliterate with a standard base image
17:06 mod6 trinque: with the image, don't we run into issues with hardware other than x86_64?
17:07 trinque you'd just make separate base images
17:07 ascii_field mod6: the whole 'pc compatible platform' thing kinda fell apart
17:07 ascii_field e.g., mircea_popescu's box flaked for no known reason
17:08 decimation why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86?
17:08 trinque anyhow I've given my opinion on how this ought to be done.
17:08 ascii_field decimation: because they are no longer readily available ?
17:08 mod6 <+decimation> why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? << for the R.I. itself or gentoo?
17:09 trinque !up ascii_field
17:09 mod6 !up ascii_field
17:09 ascii_field mod6: you can set yours to x86, or sparc, or whatever
17:09 decimation what isn't available? doesn't x86-64 also run 32 bit?
17:09 ascii_field problem is that x86 is not a platform !
17:09 decimation no, not really
17:10 ascii_field some other fell has different vga - no go
17:10 ascii_field etc
17:10 decimation it's true you would need a highly restricted hardware list
17:10 mod6 are we talking about two different things here? let's leave the R.I. out of it for a minute. my assumption there is someone can indeed create a "buildroot" or w/e to then cross compile to whatever they want for the R.I.
17:10 trinque none of this applies to booting the thing
17:11 trinque if the livecd loads, if your own box doesn't, you fucked up.
17:11 mod6 I'm just trying to figure out how to get some comprehensive steps so just about anyone who wants to can use our gentoo thingy.
17:11 decimation mod6: I'm saying ditch gentoo, use buildroot
17:11 decimation but ascii has a point, this wouldn't work if everyone does not have the same hardware
17:11 mod6 isn't buildroot the thing that alf said must be used inside of gentoo?
17:12 mircea_popescu mod6 well, he created it SOMEHOW. im not sure how far that preferred way goes, people get to drive a car their preferred way to ~some degree~.
17:13 ascii_field mod6: it theoretically ought to work elsewhere. but it turned out that other linuxen ship with defective gcc.
17:13 ascii_field buildroot works great when everyone has physically same computer.
17:13 ascii_field e.g. pogo or nintendo etc
17:13 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely << if you want to get killed, splendid way to go about things.
17:14 ascii_field mircea_popescu: you mean, killed faster ?
17:14 mircea_popescu yeah.
17:14 mircea_popescu killed faster more.
17:14 ascii_field almost certainly
17:15 ascii_field i'd love to teach a platoon of #b-a folks to do what i do, either/or to become less killworthy or (more practically) to be replaced more quickly when finally killed.
17:15 ascii_field but this does not appear to be happening.
17:16 mircea_popescu eh, give it a decade
17:16 mircea_popescu it's not even 2115 yet.
17:16 * ascii_field does not expect to live for decade
17:16 mircea_popescu the unmistakable mark of youth.
17:16 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/
17:16 assbot Reddit Outrage Reveals Y Combinator Censorship Agenda | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTjQVp )
17:16 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo url fix too
17:17 BingoBoingo What url fix?
17:17 * mircea_popescu gazes upon the cvasi=monotonic s.mpoe evolution past few weeks.... nuts.
17:17 BingoBoingo Url and title can mismatch, get moar SEO gainz that way
17:17 mircea_popescu ah ok
17:18 mircea_popescu i dunno abouit these newfangled seo whatchamacallits.
17:18 BingoBoingo Neither do I. It's all fucking voodoo
17:19 trinque I'm gonna have to finish my genbootstrap script before you guys accept gentoo can be installed, I can see.
17:19 * trinque started in data centers derping out OSs to boxen
17:19 jurov https://voat.co/v/fph/ is 404
17:20 jurov trinque: will it be capable to resolve boxen suddenly refusing to boot?
17:20 trinque I refuse to accept that that's even a thing.
17:20 trinque you don't keep backup kernels around?
17:21 * trinque never throws away a "known good" anything once had
17:21 mircea_popescu "Days earlier Imgur had begun purging images hosted on their site which had been linked to on /r/fatpeople hate."
17:21 mircea_popescu o.O
17:21 mircea_popescu whoi the fuck would use imgur then!
17:21 decimation "What a system like Atomwise actually does can be pretty opaque to a general audience."
17:21 jurov i do. but some people become enraged upon encountering grub> prompt
17:21 danielpbarron "harassing a doxxing" should be *and ? << BingoBoingo
17:22 mircea_popescu copypaste you seriously want to open yet another dig ?
17:22 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: ty
17:22 ascii_field decimation: it is 10x as funny to be because i actually worked in pharma, doing precisely what the sc4mz0rz are claiming to do
17:23 trinque jurov: yeah and you had it earlier; you can easily load a kernel from that
17:23 trinque config's only running commands against that
17:23 ascii_field (it did not work especially well, and was not especially fun)
17:23 decimation ascii_field: if people could actually protein fold their way to cures it would have been done already
17:23 mod6 trinque and I tried to get my thing to work from grub> for hours one night, perhaps a few different times. if it was simple, we'd have resolved it. it's probably my dumb POS box.
17:23 ascii_field decimation: what the more clever hucksters are doing is to search for 'undergrazed' scams
17:24 mircea_popescu https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ?
17:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTkZfD )
17:24 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162023 <<< that's super common along the hume highway (takes you from Sydney to Melbourne) and you'll find dead roos, wombats, birds etc etc strew along a 1000km road
17:24 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:01; fluffypony: nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)
17:24 fluffypony nice
17:24 fluffypony goddamn roos
17:24 ascii_field e.g., just about everyone at this point went to first grade and would spit on a claimed perpetuum mobile, but if you ask'em to invest in 'miraculous' protein fold solver - different matter
17:25 ascii_field https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << normal gurl
17:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTleHl )
17:25 mircea_popescu ascii_field she's slightly overweight.
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17:25 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? << 8chan's non nick makes it hard to verify actual shitlords are posting
17:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTkZfD )
17:25 cazalla mircea_popescu, nice body but that face :\
17:25 mircea_popescu cazalla you and your faces. fuck the other end.
17:26 trinque !b 3
17:26 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HBVFND.txt )
17:26 decimation ascii_field: but don't you know Big Pharma supresses us!
17:26 mircea_popescu in other news, a turducken walks into the counsellor's office
17:26 mircea_popescu "doc, i dunno what to do... i feel like a chicken trapped in a turkey's body"
17:26 trinque mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
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17:27 cazalla mircea_popescu, you do know you can fuck both ends yeah?
17:27 mircea_popescu decimation honestly, that particular mob reads a lot to me like the people claiming the "auto industry" is "supressing the water engine" trying to jump ship
17:27 mircea_popescu as their original bs is very hard to sell in the current political climate.
17:27 mircea_popescu cazalla well you can but you dun have to
17:27 cazalla if you can, you must!
17:27 mircea_popescu hehehe
17:27 decimation agreed, since they can't explain what they actually do (see ascii's point), they gotta be all conspiratorial
17:28 mircea_popescu trinque moreover, the value of an "approved hardware list" should be obvious.
17:28 mircea_popescu i am all for this.
17:28 trinque yep
17:29 mircea_popescu Do you hate slimfat people? I'm not visible fat if you see my with a shirt, but I'm out of shape when you see me without it, I have the hips of a woman.
17:29 mircea_popescu (USER WAS BANNED FOR DENYING HIS FATNESS)
17:29 mircea_popescu bwahahaha
17:29 decimation trinque: one idea is the 'hp microserver' gen 7
17:30 decimation has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86
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17:30 trinque yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
17:31 mircea_popescu https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434091646578-0.jpg win.
17:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTm1rW )
17:31 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162626 << if i can see ribs -> not exciting.
17:31 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:25:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_field she's slightly overweight.
17:31 ascii_field but 'different folks, different strokes'
17:31 trinque decimation: I like these tiny cuboid cases
17:32 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162636 << where to get 'standard hardware' ?
17:32 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:26:36; trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
17:32 ascii_field i know of no such thing
17:32 trinque bah
17:32 trinque trinque | yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
17:32 decimation trinque: they are quiet
17:33 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162651 << false. 100% of amd boxes
17:33 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:30:09; decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86
17:33 trinque ascii_field: it's obvious I'm saying that picking hardware which is known in advance to boot gentoo
17:33 trinque *might be beneficial
17:34 trinque if you want a machine that does exactly and only and none other than what's in some specification, lol
17:34 * trinque goes to find a plow
17:34 ascii_field http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm << i've been using these for various x86y things
17:34 assbot PC Engines apu system boards ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL2POd )
17:34 ascii_field entirely linuxable
17:34 ascii_field (incl. bios)
17:35 ascii_field doesn't even come with a 'civilian' bios
17:35 ascii_field but - it has no vga.
17:35 ascii_field nor is there any obvious means to add one
17:35 trinque not so bad to be headless
17:35 ascii_field (i tried the mpcie slots with various vga cards. no go.)
17:36 ascii_field you can tunnel x11 out of it if you insist.
17:36 ascii_field (most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.)
17:36 trinque heh combine this guy with the terminal I think decimation picked up
17:37 decimation yeah absolutely
17:37 decimation or use another computer for terminal
17:37 ascii_field has 3 x 1G ethernet. can tunnel x11 out of it with no palpable delay
17:38 ascii_field (this is another reason why the shitgnomatic 'replacements' for x11 are nonsensical. if i can't get EXACT same experience through a net connection to the machine without idiocies like 'sharing desktop', the gui is WORHTLESS)
17:38 trinque $127 or $150 for 4gb ram
17:38 jurov will it blend...er.. run eulora?
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17:39 trinque doubtful
17:39 decimation heh
17:39 ascii_field jurov: probably not. no 3d card
17:39 ascii_field srsly
17:39 decimation good luck getting winblow to boot
17:39 trinque but what's the goal
17:39 trinque I see this as a box with which to connect to the wotnet, things like that
17:39 mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMgGzgE2R_U
17:39 assbot Green Day - Dominated Love Slave + lyrics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3gYK )
17:39 trinque your bitchin gaming pc goes behind it
17:39 trinque !up ascii_field
17:39 ascii_field decimation: laugh, but winblows boots on'em!
17:39 ascii_field finds the onboard vga (with no output) even.
17:40 ascii_field ('corebios' aka linuxbios ships with a simple dos-compat. layer that will boot winblows if you must)
17:41 ascii_field in as far as x86-64 goes, these boards are surprisingly good.
17:41 decimation heh amusing
17:41 ascii_field (that is, nothing obviously and profanely turdalicious on them)
17:42 ascii_field even brings the spi eeprom where bios is out to pin headers, for ease of reflashing/readback
17:42 mircea_popescu all these social media derps saying "privilege" like it's a bad thing ?!
17:42 mircea_popescu wtf is with this bullshit. the only thing better than being privileged is being hm
17:42 mircea_popescu there's nothing better than beingpriviledged.
17:42 decimation ascii_field: can you boot from eeprom?
17:42 mats fun fact (unapproved by the FCC): the VGA is a decent TX-only SDR.
17:42 ascii_field decimation: all of mine, do
17:43 ascii_field you can stuff generic kernel in there
17:43 trinque mircea_popescu: means "not fair, give me your shit"
17:43 decimation mats: it would be noisy as hell
17:43 trinque to them
17:43 ascii_field mats: ancient history. music over vga
17:43 * mircea_popescu shrugs.
17:44 decimation wow even can order metal case
17:45 ascii_field mats: http://bellard.org/dvbt << can even transmit digital tv !
17:45 assbot Analog and Digital TV (DVB-T) Signal Generation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3I9u )
17:45 ascii_field with normal vga card.
17:45 ascii_field http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic one
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17:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3JtY )
17:45 mats i've not seen that before
17:45 ascii_field ^ plays music
17:46 trinque http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great
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17:46 assbot PC Engines case1c2u product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3S0x )
17:46 ascii_field aha, i have this.
17:46 ascii_field rock-solid box
17:47 decimation http://www.computerworld.com/article/2935554/it-careers/labor-dept-plans-h-1b-probe-one-that-could-have-an-impact.html
17:47 assbot Labor Dept. plans H-1B probe -- one that could have an impact | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTosuE )
17:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162688 << it gets better. i have reports of an assortment of cards, including uber popular stuff like nvidia 520 series, getting 2-3 fps on eulora.
17:47 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:38:55; jurov: will it blend...er.. run eulora?
17:47 mircea_popescu with multiple versions of newest drivers etc.
17:47 mircea_popescu for reasons ???? nobody fucking knows.
17:47 mircea_popescu opengl something or other, for sure.
17:47 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i can tell you now, why
17:47 mircea_popescu do
17:48 ascii_field mircea_popescu: microshit discourages functional opengl in gpu drivers
17:48 mircea_popescu so ?
17:48 ascii_field (they wish to have their 'directx' turd in universal, mandatory use)
17:48 mircea_popescu problem exists on fucking ubuntu apparently.
17:48 ascii_field so it pulls on the ropes.
17:48 ascii_field problem exists at the two remaining gpu makers.
17:48 ascii_field each is a proud servant of microshit.
17:49 mircea_popescu i dunno man, i get 60 fps constant on that thing.
17:49 mircea_popescu also nvidia card
17:49 ascii_field any common factors between the unhappy cards ?
17:49 decimation *nvidia recommends winblows for optimal experience
17:49 mircea_popescu anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
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17:49 mircea_popescu ascii_field not that i could discern so far.
17:50 mircea_popescu but next s.mg report is going to contain list of functional gpus.
17:50 mircea_popescu which is exactly in line of what trinque was saying
17:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162751 << that is precisely what you're experiencing, but the source is not public.
17:51 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 21:49:40; mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
17:51 mircea_popescu opengl is public.
17:51 ascii_field the back end.
17:51 mircea_popescu yes.
17:51 ascii_field where it turns into actual gpu instructions
17:51 ascii_field is not public.
17:51 mircea_popescu that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly.
17:51 mircea_popescu i don't give a shit about that
17:52 mircea_popescu im not here to fix anything
17:52 mircea_popescu i am here to burn things
17:52 mircea_popescu stirctly, strictly that. i don't aim to run a university, i aim to run a decimation service.
17:52 ascii_field burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~)
17:53 mircea_popescu for now i want the camel.
17:53 ascii_field which camel? the one who walks through the eye of a needle ?
17:53 mircea_popescu IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
17:53 ascii_field ah
17:54 decimation reverse engineer driver
17:55 ascii_field decimation: that gets you ~one particular chip~
17:55 ascii_field see also the fpga threads.
17:55 mircea_popescu so far i'm waiting for someone with experience to go "oh! well of course!"
17:55 mircea_popescu "it alwas looks like this when X"
17:57 decimation the probability that someone derps with ubuntu AND can find root causes of closed driver failures strikes me as low
18:01 mircea_popescu it happens across the board, not just ubuntu
18:01 mircea_popescu i just said it happened on ubuntu to dispel the theory it'd be windows specific, it's not
18:02 ascii_field does the thing use shader /
18:02 ascii_field ?
18:03 mircea_popescu yea
18:03 ascii_field likely culprit
18:03 mircea_popescu and yes prolly the shader's involved because clipping and flicking
18:03 mircea_popescu myeah
18:04 punkman http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/naacp-leader-rachel-dolezal-lied-black-parents-article-1.2255743
18:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTqP0s )
18:06 decimation lol
18:08 trinque govt owes her state-funded skin pigment reassignment
18:08 trinque usistan, glorious empire of delusional narcissism
18:08 shinohai is there anyone here that is a btc .conf wiz ?
18:09 mats ask your question, don't ask to ask
18:11 shinohai blocking nodes is inefficient, yes?
18:15 trinque INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER
18:16 shinohai my apologies, I am researching as well
18:16 trinque http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html
18:16 assbot The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTspj0 )
18:16 mircea_popescu shinohai inefficient for what purpose ?
18:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3500 @ 0.00111 = 3.885 BTC
18:17 danielpbarron shinohai, see: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136
18:17 assbot Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.
18:17 shinohai suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default
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18:18 shinohai thiswould be better when i arrive home, irc on phone is terrible
18:18 * trinque wonders if pf could accomplish that
18:19 trinque shinohai: sounds like a patch to bitcoind
18:20 shinohai there are only a few hundred ip's if that
18:21 shinohai well, 123 http://xtnodes.com/
18:21 assbot XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLX7ee )
18:22 mircea_popescu shinohai nothing prevents you from ignoring any node. this is how people deal with hooligans, it's been a thing since forever.
18:23 mircea_popescu i see no problem with simply nullrouting all "xt nodes", and for that matter the general practice is to block any node that advertises a version different from your own.
18:23 mircea_popescu seeing how what version you run is a political choice more than a technological one, accepting dissent is -ev for your own affairs.
18:24 mircea_popescu it is, after all, a consensus mechanism, not a fucking science journal.
18:28 shinohai I'm good then. its running so meh
18:28 trinque ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
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18:45 scoopbot_revived Eulora second event - Sunday, June 14th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-second-event-sunday-june-14th/
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19:01 jurov only bandar toolkit is something that i can both make and have sense to have blessed
19:01 mircea_popescu wellthen.
19:05 danielpbarron i must be close to being able to make something useful. I've been scoring claims that yeild 100+ items
19:05 jurov danielpbarron: today?
19:07 danielpbarron yeah, last night and today
19:07 jurov yest everything i found was tiny
19:07 danielpbarron well.. "last night" .. "very very early this morning"
19:07 mircea_popescu !up Bob32442
19:08 danielpbarron the learning curv is very steep with eulora, to the point where it's a chore to get going with it. But once I had a few things figured out it is now becoming addictive
19:13 jurov danielpbarron: could say sooner the claims are there. i just logged in today and let it be.
19:14 jurov at least figured out cs supports python scripting
19:14 Bob32442 hmm, I don't get the cap, why is it that it can't be removed?
19:14 jurov Bob32442: what cap? blocksize?
19:14 jurov go read trilema
19:14 Bob32442 yeah
19:16 Bob32442 so... wait, then why does anyone use bitcoin if they think that's going to happen?
19:17 Bob32442 Maybe I should read the rest of it lol
19:23 Bob32442 ah
19:34 mircea_popescu danielpbarron information-wise steep ?
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19:35 mircea_popescu "anyone" is a particularly inept model. it presumes the world composed of imbecile 20somethings like one finds on reddit.
19:35 mircea_popescu this is pointedly untrue.
19:35 mircea_popescu people who use money are fundamentally different than the sort of bovines sturggling with us college education.
19:36 mircea_popescu who, notably, do not use money either. or yachts. etc.
19:41 mike_c jurov: have you been able to write a python script that'll do something in the game?
19:42 jurov lol far from that
19:42 mike_c ah
19:42 jurov just found scripting support in cs and after some diddling, compiled and ran tutorial app
19:43 jurov seems that feature was left to rot
19:43 mike_c so the plan would be to modify client in someway that would then support python scripting
19:43 mike_c if interest held
19:44 trinque http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html
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19:44 assbot Phys.Org Mobile: Chinese hackers got sensitive military files: report ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLdqbV )
19:44 jurov yes, if ~ then i'll do the irc stuff in py, too. but then have to bundle python in win32 package, too
19:45 trinque doesn't seem like they're amused by the "pivot"
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20:09 cazalla oh boy this article is gonna be a good one
20:11 mircea_popescu mike_c it should be possible tho.
20:12 mike_c yeah, i'll have to take another crack at compiling this thing
20:23 mircea_popescu anyway, fwiw, the thinking minigame side is that if there's three or four independently maintained clients which each does its own thing that's perfect.
20:24 mircea_popescu minigame will always release a "reference client", but i'd frankly love for people to make their own.
20:25 mircea_popescu cazalla which one ? :D
20:25 cazalla publishing it soon, just adding links
20:26 mircea_popescu cool
20:30 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled'
20:30 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html
20:31 trinque heh no kidding
20:31 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162802 << my understanding is that hearn is more clever than gavin, laid his traps such that they all spring at once when he pulls the switch (and emulates something like proper bitcoin until then)
20:31 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 22:17:19; shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default
20:32 cazalla do ur thang scoopbot
20:32 trinque asciilifeform: the github repo says "this is so totally not about blocksize"
20:33 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162814 << be aware, the thing isn't some paragon of good hygiene. (the nic, like all modern nics, has some hidden cpu; etc) but is the cleanest x86 i know of to still be in production
20:33 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 22:28:57; trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
20:33 trinque the reddit post referencing hearn said "we could increase blocksize on xt in a week" 3 days gago
20:33 trinque *ago
20:33 scoopbot_revived U.S. Treasury: Bitcoin Used In Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing http://qntra.net/2015/06/u-s-treasury-bitcoin-used-in-money-laundering-terrorist-financing/
20:34 trinque asciilifeform: your and other material has long since disabused me of the idea that I'll own a computer any time soon
20:37 asciilifeform re: t3rr0r1sm!!111!!!1: for all the loud usg idiocy, the head-choppers have yet to chop a head, on camera, on top of a carpet with their gpg fingeprint embroidered on it
20:37 asciilifeform so anyone who thinks he is writing them a letter, is writing to ft meade
20:38 asciilifeform ditto for anyone who is reading 'their' communiques.
20:38 asciilifeform i somehow fail to grasp why this is so. did the prophet forbid the multiplication of large primes ?
20:38 asciilifeform but not, e.g., kalashnikov ?
20:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ayup, they are very singlemindedly following their talking pointsa.
20:39 asciilifeform ditto for the idiots sending 'them' bitcoin
20:40 asciilifeform usg is laughing all the way to, well, their wallet.
20:40 mircea_popescu and yes hearn is a better political animal than gavin, but not more intelligent
20:40 mircea_popescu just, one admits to himself he's filth, the other does not.
20:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i haven't a clue whether hearn is the actual author of the hearnias in question, or not. only that the particular boobytrap which he misrepresents as 'bitcoin' is a more subtle one.
20:41 mircea_popescu hypocrisy is always lower functioning.
20:42 asciilifeform it blew me away that hearn openly expressed an interest in 'remote attestation' on the air.
20:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently the prophet is said to have forbidden, by some twerps
20:42 asciilifeform it's a leper's bell, loud and clear
20:42 mircea_popescu recall the case of the british terrorist who used caesar cypher because "excel smarter than anything the gyauri could have invented" ?
20:42 asciilifeform aha.
20:42 asciilifeform i read it as a mix of stupidity and desperation
20:43 asciilifeform (where is he supposed to get non-usg crypto that he can understand ?)
20:43 mircea_popescu it's all stupidity.
20:43 mircea_popescu it is meaningless to speak of a revolutionary's desperation.
20:43 mircea_popescu if he were not desperate ~of the world~ he would be pursuing a career.
20:43 asciilifeform what i also don't get is, didn't any of these folks, in three generations of service to brit and then sov. empire, learn vernam ?
20:44 mircea_popescu if his desperation of the world meant what it usually means, he'd be long gone.
20:44 mircea_popescu that he's here makes the word meaningless
20:44 mircea_popescu dude, i had to be the first one to show the concept of a map to random cairo cab driver.
20:44 mircea_popescu what, you think women pop out smart people now or something ? what is this, the spherical future ?
20:45 asciilifeform cabbie isn't usually same as 50 y.o. ex-signals corps fella
20:45 mircea_popescu orly ?
20:45 asciilifeform (no lack of the latter working as the former, sure)
20:46 mircea_popescu the reason "export controls" work is that idiots perceive themselves as ~equal to everyone else.
20:46 mircea_popescu so they don't miss what they don't have.
20:47 asciilifeform but this is easily broken by some helpful fella giving then a bit of what they lack.
20:47 mircea_popescu no, it is not.
20:47 mircea_popescu because idiot's main concern is whether this makes the other guy better than him
20:47 mircea_popescu AS IF this can be in debate.
20:47 asciilifeform and, incidentally, sov. engineers had no trouble 'missing what they don't have' and went to great lengths to get it
20:48 mircea_popescu they knew themselves to be idiots.
20:48 mircea_popescu arabs do not.
20:48 asciilifeform sometimes via multi-$mil elaborate s4mz0r1ngs
20:48 asciilifeform (see the japanese cnc mill case)
20:49 asciilifeform or the hilariously complicated network of shill corps through which ussr purchased dec pdp and vax
20:49 mircea_popescu was that ever published ?
20:49 asciilifeform in english? no idea
20:49 mircea_popescu in drawings lol
20:49 mircea_popescu names are names
20:50 asciilifeform http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << from horse's mouth. scan of ancient usg memo detailing 'omg111!!!111! they stole it all'
20:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZwAn6 )
20:51 asciilifeform take, obviously, with a grain of liquid shit
20:51 mircea_popescu mmyeah
20:52 asciilifeform the whole 'keep those orcs from getting modern tech' thing was intensely counter-economic from standpoint of u.s. chip makers, as ussr was prepared to pay with gold, plutonium, virgins, 100x the going rate
20:52 asciilifeform and the merchants, unsurprisingly, wanted to sell.
20:53 asciilifeform (american industrial folk knew that orcs would copy, but also knew that the copies would not appear on american market. so it was not an issue of patent rights)
20:53 mircea_popescu but not for very many
20:59 mircea_popescu in any shape or form the deal would have been a tech transfer, not an item sale.
20:59 mircea_popescu and the soviets were NOT prepared to pay with slaves.
21:00 mircea_popescu anything but that. the chinese paid with slaves later on, and it took.
21:00 mircea_popescu even if the payment was, like all payments, false.
21:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: jp got paid in, iirc, gold.
21:00 asciilifeform ditto u.s. grain
21:09 asciilifeform p. 6 of the report is hilariously mistaken. ussr produced perfectly adequate hdd for the period. we had one: http://www.retro-pc.net/musei/dd/hdd/index_ru.htm (scroll to middle past the japanese unit)
21:10 asciilifeform (how much of the -inside- was made overseas, i do not know)
21:11 asciilifeform the 760mb 'micropolis' featured in this www is actually in my kitchen now.
21:11 asciilifeform it is in the symbolics 3620 lisp machine, and works still.
21:12 mircea_popescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euergetism << check it out, poorly translated french shannonizer content, trying to misrepresent classical antiquity more in line with the modern idiocies.
21:12 assbot Euergetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzdWc )
21:12 mircea_popescu what was the name of that derpy french knownothing the english world went all gaga over earlier this year ?
21:12 mircea_popescu derpyterpy something, four syllables ending in y ?
21:12 mircea_popescu piketty ty.
21:13 * asciilifeform missed this
21:17 asciilifeform !up referredbyloper
21:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=622 << yours ?
21:17 assbot OLD-COMPUTERS.COM musem ~ IPTVT (Traian Vuia Polytechnical Institute) MicroTim ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzJ6l )
21:17 asciilifeform mentioned in the cia thing (p. 43)
21:17 asciilifeform under brand 'amic'
21:17 mircea_popescu - TIM-S: 6 Mhz mode, 80 KB RAM, 16 KB ROM <
21:19 mircea_popescu and amic iirc was not actually a z80
21:19 mircea_popescu it also sucked.
21:20 asciilifeform http://www.homecomputer.de/images/wanted/easteurope/aMIC.jpg << it ?
21:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BciWBg )
21:21 mircea_popescu well minus the monitor and deck tape, which are random items
21:21 mircea_popescu http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/easteurope_ro.html#amic < there
21:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bcj8jS )
21:23 asciilifeform the profusion of absolutely abysmal keyboards in '80s sovblok micros always bewildered me. any country that knows how to make ballpoint pens could have copied ibm's keyboard
21:23 asciilifeform (the necessary only metallic part is the springs, quite identical to those found in pen)
21:23 mircea_popescu the tim-s had a decent, steel spring actioned keyboard
21:23 asciilifeform not obvious from the photo
21:24 mircea_popescu they briefly used a "sealed flexible plastic sensor" bs, but got out of it within a year or so
21:26 mircea_popescu the hc had a very retarded arrangement, where the straight rather than /-\ shaped keys caught, and so on.
21:26 mircea_popescu but the tim-s was decent, about on par with today's no name chinese kbd
21:27 asciilifeform today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet)
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21:27 mircea_popescu (significantly harder, ofcourse, but at the time most everyone was used to manual typewriters, which is maybe 10x the force anyone born after 1980 types with)
21:27 * mircea_popescu takes out a key, looks at the spring, puts it back in
21:28 asciilifeform interestingly, mechanical 'underwood'-style typewriters are beloved by american 'hipster writer' types. they are easy enough to find in junk stores
21:28 asciilifeform there is a kind of cargo cult appeal to the things
21:28 mircea_popescu they prolly come in discount packages with leika film cams
21:28 mircea_popescu for hipster couples.
21:28 asciilifeform l0l
21:28 mircea_popescu they could pretend it's grenwich village 1963
21:29 asciilifeform what keyboard mircea_popescu has, 'unicomp' ? i know of no other that has springs but can still be described as 'disposable'
21:29 mircea_popescu she could be an anais nin of photography and he could be an henry miller of poetry
21:29 asciilifeform (fella i know just threw just such a keyboard out, after getting a proper 'm')
21:30 mircea_popescu nfi.
21:30 mircea_popescu it
21:30 asciilifeform https://rakanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/unicomp.jpg
21:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZByjL )
21:30 asciilifeform ^ they make cheap copies using classical ibm drawings
21:31 asciilifeform lasts a few yrs.
21:31 asciilifeform iirc it omits the steel 'anvil' found in the genuine 'm'
21:31 trinque complete with speedometer
21:31 asciilifeform so the pcb eventually augers in, cracks
21:33 * asciilifeform likes his 'ibm m' and 'northgate' kbds but would eventually like something that doesn't throw rf around for fifty metres
21:34 asciilifeform culprit, incidentally, is the scanned switching matrix, present in -all- pc keyboards.
21:34 mircea_popescu http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/microtim.jpg << there
21:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZC4yf )
21:35 mircea_popescu http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cip3.jpg << and that's the 90s version. by then only the poor kids were still dicking around with z80s tho
21:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCaGc )
21:35 * asciilifeform almost asked where the 'lat' key is, but then hit self on head
21:36 mircea_popescu lol
21:37 mircea_popescu http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jet2.jpg << also, repurposed phone chassis
21:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCpRA )
21:37 asciilifeform would've been classy if they'd left the cradle in, to use as accoustic modem
21:38 mircea_popescu http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1352440858_screen.png << this one's for mike_c
21:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCxRa )
21:39 mircea_popescu "Mai erau CIP-urile, pe care incarcai interpretorul BASIC de pe caseta, era nasol ca resetai si iti lua timp si incarcarea lui. In plus ii sareau tastele in permanenta, si pierdeai si arculetele de pix din ele, se rupeau piciorusele de plastic, era aiurea."
21:39 mircea_popescu "it sucked because their keys kept jumping off and you'd lose the dumbass ballpointpen springs "
21:41 asciilifeform l0l
21:43 * asciilifeform an hour or so ago was reassembling 'model m', dried from wash, and noticed the very fine detail on the keys which prevents popping. good injection molding tech is needed to have these.
21:44 asciilifeform http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/slaktarnp90/media/IBM%20model%20M%20och%20N2/Tangentersidan.jpg.html
21:44 assbot Från Sidan Photo by slaktarnp90 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1BclZtg )
21:48 mike_c mircea_popescu: that one isn't ringing a bell, but it looks fun :)
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22:14 danielpbarron !up ben-of-the-casca
22:14 ben-of-the-casca ty!
22:14 ben-of-the-casca re eulora, dpb, ive found rocks and scratches mostly by looking for things further away than the bushes are rendering
22:15 ben-of-the-casca looking forward to being able to /explore tho
22:15 danielpbarron i can sell you a stack of the item that gives you it :D
22:16 ben-of-the-casca how much and how many?
22:16 danielpbarron 23 for 0.01 ?
22:16 mod6 wat
22:17 ben-of-the-casca let me get further bored by looking for the last item
22:17 ben-of-the-casca unless mod6 just derps it over to me
22:18 mod6 waddya need?
22:18 danielpbarron 1 of them isn't much; you don't get good results until it's mostly maxed out
22:19 ben-of-the-casca not the rock, not the scratchings but that other thing
22:19 ben-of-the-casca dpb aha
22:19 danielpbarron for me it was the rock that i found last
22:19 danielpbarron and someone had to lead me to it
22:19 mod6 oh those rocks
22:19 ben-of-the-casca the renderings so fucked in my machine
22:20 mod6 i can give you one, i've only got 3.
22:20 ben-of-the-casca i can see markers and items - but theyre just black
22:20 danielpbarron my laptop overheats and the game goes at 3 fps but that doesn't really effect game play yet
22:20 danielpbarron that's just if it's night time
22:20 ben-of-the-casca OH
22:20 ben-of-the-casca well then
22:20 mod6 dang
22:21 mod6 im getting 15-16 fps on my core i5 internal graphics card.
22:21 mod6 im the only guy in eulora right now
22:22 mod6 everyone else is at the club, making it rain
22:23 mod6 now if this kernel would just hurry up...
22:27 decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html < sucks for usg employees
22:27 assbot Chinese hack compromised security-clearance database - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia1Kd0 )
22:28 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162834 << yeah, all the different mechanics were a bit overwhelming at first. Starting to coalesce in my mind
22:28 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron information-wise steep ?
22:29 danielpbarron i haven't played a game that's like this in a long while
22:30 danielpbarron it's annoying now, having to click so many times to do stuff, but I understand why each step is separate
22:30 danielpbarron in the future, someone can specialize each step of production
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22:31 danielpbarron and I upvote the named keys idea
22:32 danielpbarron is it possible to make the inventory interface more like that of minecraft?
22:33 danielpbarron for example, when clicking a stack of items > 1, it should just pick up the whole thing by default
22:34 danielpbarron and then you can have left-click right-click and shift-click drop varying amounts
22:42 decimation usg's breach is significant - they lose personal information on people whom usg asks to keep secrets
22:47 cazalla http://www.theage.com.au/comment/australian-houses-are-just-glorified-tents-in-winter-20150610-ghj2ox TLDR more people die from cold in australian due to shitty homes than the hot summers we're known for
22:47 assbot Australian houses are just glorified tents in winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia3936 )
22:48 decimation cazalla: I thought only the us built shit homes
22:49 cazalla decimation, at least the shit homes are somewhat cheaper there.. here you pay a cool million for place with no front/back yard made of straw
22:49 decimation heh
22:50 decimation where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?
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22:51 cazalla low interest rates, deposits are given to kids from boomers, chinese investment and truckloads of negative gearing ensuring people have 4-5 investment properties
22:53 decimation people have to have income to qualify for loans
22:53 decimation does everyone get paid $200k?
22:55 cazalla nah you don't need 200k salary, you can borrow a million on like 50k
22:56 decimation heh
22:56 decimation they've clamped down on lending in the us
22:56 decimation you can't get a loan unless you have %20 and good credit
22:57 decimation at least, not a good interest rate
22:58 cazalla quick look then shows working couple who earn 50k each can borrow almost 700k
22:58 cazalla over 30 years
22:59 decimation wouldn't such a couple then be poor if they took such a 'deal'?
22:59 decimation debt-slaves?
22:59 cazalla mind you, that is pre-tax salary
23:00 cazalla decimation, yeah most people are slaves.. 30 years ago it was possible for the average sole income working father, stay at home mum to buy a 1/4 acre block in the suburbs and raise 2-3 kids
23:01 cazalla today you need both parents working full time with no kids or if you have kids, 1 or 2 at most put into childcare so the mother can pay half her wage for someone else to look after her kids while her other half goes on the mortgage
23:01 decimation yeah that's how it is in most of the us today too
23:02 decimation there's no fixed supply of dollars, so more people working just means more cost
23:02 cazalla i don't even know why they do it tbh
23:02 decimation well, now everyone is screwed
23:02 decimation in the us the effect is worsened by the fact that near most major us cities you need to have dual incomes to 'earn' a spot in a decent school
23:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161917 << not bad btw
23:03 assbot Logged on 12-06-2015 14:48:00; danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I
23:05 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163037 << ayup
23:05 assbot Logged on 13-06-2015 02:30:18; danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production
23:05 cazalla decimation, here it is almost like every generation has to work twice as much for half of what their parents had
23:05 decimation cazalla: I guess the most rational response would be to coordinate groups of people to move away from the dense cities and start new living areas
23:05 danielpbarron speaking of which, is the leaky treebark flask design supposed to be blank?
23:05 cazalla decimation, ah but there is no work in rural australia and if you are on welfare and move from an area of high employment to one of high unemployment, you get cut off
23:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163048 << the chinese
23:06 assbot Logged on 13-06-2015 02:50:34; decimation: where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?
23:06 mircea_popescu they have literally infinite USD
23:06 cazalla decimation, so to go rural, you need enough money to own it upfront and enough to last you for however long you may live
23:06 mircea_popescu danielpbarron nope. it's supposed to have been fixed like three revisions ago o.O
23:07 cazalla decimation, and rural.. as in the middle of nowhere, you are still paying more (100k-200k) than american suburbs
23:07 decimation cazalla: yeah I guess my point is that they could start a new city there
23:07 decimation but it sounds like that's already been priced out
23:07 decimation why some wasteland in australia is worth $100k...
23:08 decimation even good farmland in iowa goes for $5k an acre
23:08 cazalla you can go cheaper - abandoned mining towns - but then you have to deal with fucked up water and environment
23:08 cazalla might set you back 50k for that
23:09 decimation yeah I agree with mircea, it sounds to me that the chinese have bid australia to the moon
23:10 cazalla yeah, they can buy citizenship here too for 5 million so those clever chinese were giving the AU gov 5 million, borrowing the 5 million back from some chinese lender and then using that to buy 5 million in property once they got here
23:11 cazalla i'd like to think it will end soon as i don't see how people can be squeezed any further at this point but asciilifeform reminded me that there is still much fat left to be trimmed
23:13 cazalla fwiw, missus and i have no rent or mortgage and it is still hard
23:13 cazalla so i imagine those people with mortgages will soon eat chum (dog food) if they are not already
23:15 decimation yeah if they aren't already
23:15 cazalla i mean, kid my age who lived on my street regularly ate his cat's cat food
23:18 mod6 omg and we have grub that works...
23:19 decimation you can live on rice and beans pretty cheap
23:19 mod6 trinque's script & help got this pos up and running on gentoo hardened w/uclibc finally.
23:20 mod6 i had a problem with my disk paritions
23:20 cazalla decimation, aussies like their meat, pet food or not
23:20 * mod6 straps on a napkin and eats a sack of dead crows
23:20 decimation better start hunting 'roos
23:20 decimation or dingos :)
23:23 cazalla birds might be easier tbh plus the abo word for budgerigar is good eating
23:23 cazalla with no guns, having to spear or tackle a roo could get you killed, fucking things kick
23:24 decimation heh oh yeah I forgot they took yer guns too
23:25 mircea_popescu no guns in australia ? lmao
23:25 mircea_popescu twerps, seriously.
23:26 decimation mircea_popescu: how do you think they will be described by chinese historians 1000 years from now?
23:26 mircea_popescu "aboriginals"
23:26 decimation lolz
23:26 cazalla yeah, bow and arrow ban in the pipeline too
23:26 mircea_popescu same thing we called the papuans or w/e
23:32 cazalla meh, they aren't really any abos left anyway, they are all half bloods at best
23:33 decimation no, I think mircea meant the people who are willing to trade hard assets to the chinese in exchange for paper and promises
23:33 cazalla but even if you're 1/8 abo, you can claim extra assistance from the government, so according to the census there are more abos than ever before
23:34 cazalla yeah stupid thing that
23:34 decimation the natives have the same racket here, and also in canada
23:36 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << empty hopper, will refill tomorrow. anyone who wants to get phuctored in short order, plz now.
23:38 decimation asciilifeform: interesting the 'me.com' and 'mac.com'
23:38 asciilifeform and yes, ~500MB product.
23:38 asciilifeform (decimal, if feeling nitpicky)
23:39 asciilifeform unrelated:
23:39 asciilifeform http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ?
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23:40 asciilifeform ^ apparently 'ibm model m' was itself a cheapening of a previous ancestral tech
23:40 decimation asciilifeform: you ever heard of a 'model f'
23:41 decimation aha it talks about them
23:41 asciilifeform decimation: got one
23:41 asciilifeform decimation: but not a modernized controller for it
23:41 asciilifeform (the one it shipped with did not emit 'break' codes)
23:41 asciilifeform the linked www is about an earlier-still keyboard, which used capacitance-based switches
23:41 decimation asciilifeform: this guy sells controllers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-IBM-4704-Banking-System-Keyboard-TESTED-107-Key-Model-F-6020218-/281689692136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41960397e8
23:41 assbot Original IBM 4704 Banking System Keyboard Tested 107 Key Model F 6020218 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lly7 )
23:41 asciilifeform theoretically - eternal
23:41 asciilifeform and (this is not stated, but i hypothesize) rf-quiet
23:42 asciilifeform decimation: i don't want a usb controller...
23:42 decimation heh I suspected no
23:45 decimation still you could use his mod as a starting point
23:45 asciilifeform ars longa vita brevis (tm) (r)
23:46 asciilifeform http://deskthority.net/wiki/Beam_spring << more
23:46 assbot Beam spring - Deskthority wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lPUU )
23:46 decimation at any rate I like that keyboard for sale, lots of reassignable keys
23:46 decimation also model f keyboards were full "nkro"
23:47 decimation that might affect rf quietness
23:47 * asciilifeform never had problems with rollover
23:47 decimation yeah it really only matters for gamers who wann mash 5 keys at once
23:48 asciilifeform decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Huge-IBM-5251-Mechanical-Beam-Spring-Keyboard-CLICKY-Display-Terminal-UK-/151686841869 << exists also on ebay. looks quite like the older of my two lispm keyboards (which did not click)
23:48 assbot Vintage Huge IBM 5251 Mechanical Beam Spring Keyboard Clicky Display Terminal UK | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcBvp8 )
23:49 decimation heh. I wonder if that's a serial output
23:49 asciilifeform all keyboards have 'serial' output, one way or another
23:50 asciilifeform but afaik none spoke traditional rs232. would've involved too much active logic.
23:51 decimation yeah
23:51 decimation the 'model f' I linked appears to have 'meta' key
23:55 asciilifeform decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png << typical keyboard of the period. reversed (laboriously) by yours truly.
23:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcCBkw )
23:56 decimation asciilifeform: did you get it to work as 'ps/2'?
23:56 asciilifeform decimation: no, but some german fella got it as usb.
23:56 asciilifeform based on this sketch
23:56 asciilifeform i had it as a parallel port widget for a while.
23:57 decimation heh
23:57 decimation has 'meta, super' keys?
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