00:10 |
copumpkin |
in popescuity! |
00:10 |
copumpkin |
oh, he's gone |
00:10 |
copumpkin |
!down |
00:11 |
copumpkin |
!down copumpkin |
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~ 55 minutes ~ |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
aaand... |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B2E239A3BB66E00BCDCF41F0C281798CCAED77F43781FCBAD0B7D521A95708D3 |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
^ non-'magic' ! |
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~ 1 hours 20 minutes ~ |
02:27 |
ben_vulpes |
http://askubuntu.com/questions/540911/how-to-adjust-screen-brightness-in-ubuntu-14-04 << oh ffs |
02:27 |
assbot |
how to adjust screen brightness in ubuntu 14.04? - Ask Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxPlna ) |
02:34 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: no joke, I echo into sys to change my brightness |
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~ 25 minutes ~ |
02:59 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jno8llAxzYE |
02:59 |
assbot |
Gorillaz- sweepstakes (feat. Mos Def and Hypnotic Brass essemble) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJxevw ) |
03:01 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic' ! << oh did we run out of cosmic rays? |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
03:26 |
cazalla |
hanbot, published, ty |
03:27 |
scoopbot_revived |
FBI Counterterrorism AD Michael Steinbach: "Prevent encryption above all else" http://qntra.net/2015/06/fbi-counterterrorism-ad-michael-steinbach-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/ |
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~ 4 hours 39 minutes ~ |
08:07 |
shinohai |
ASSet of the day? https://i.imgur.com/4fGaYju.jpg [nsfw, obviously] |
08:07 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QRNwlz ) |
08:08 |
shinohai |
and https://i.imgur.com/T740wtL.jpg (sfw) |
08:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QRNIkW ) |
| |
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~ |
09:11 |
cazalla |
shinohai, he's 100 today and that heart shit is bullshit according to snopes |
09:11 |
shinohai |
I know, it is still funny. |
09:11 |
shinohai |
He's just naturally not going to release his grasp upon the empire |
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~ 53 minutes ~ |
10:05 |
punkman |
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20150605STO63242/html/TTIP-what-exactly-is-the-ISDS-mechanism-for-resolving-investor-disputes |
10:05 |
assbot |
TTIP: what exactly is the ISDS mechanism for resolving investor disputes? ... ( http://bit.ly/1GC0694 ) |
10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
an exercise in spurious stupidity ? |
10:06 |
punkman |
oh wrong link, meant to post this http://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/2015/06/10/european-parliament-ttip-vote-cancelled-because-of-huge-public-pressure-say-green-meps/ |
10:06 |
assbot |
European Parliament TTIP vote cancelled ‘because of huge public pressure’ : EU Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1GC09Sl ) |
10:07 |
funkenstein_ |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161721 <-- more like it saved his career, imho |
10:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 02:32:16; asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html << as described here. |
10:08 |
funkenstein_ |
and from that article a major explosion of oxymoron detector: "Israeli military ethicist" |
10:08 |
mircea_popescu |
what, by being israeli one's automatically unethical ? or above ethics ? |
10:09 |
funkenstein_ |
israeli military |
10:10 |
funkenstein_ |
heck military ethicist is bad enough |
10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't see it. |
10:11 |
* |
funkenstein_ seeks for sexual analogy |
10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
you're not going to start with "life's the greatest good in and of itself" and "we're all equal so consequently no-one's life is worth less than the shine on your shoes" are you ? |
10:13 |
funkenstein_ |
How about most experiences prostitutes monogamy discussion group |
10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
how about what ? |
10:14 |
funkenstein_ |
How about top quadraplegic jugglers? |
10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, neither of these map on the original at all, and amusingly enough neither of these carries what you want it to, either. |
10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
how about "most unwinged featherless flat nailed bipedals flight club" |
10:15 |
funkenstein_ |
How about, bitcoin-assets windows ssl expert? |
10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
if people were meant to fly they'd have had wings and if quadriplegics were meant to juggle they'd have had arms. |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
im pretty sure we have one |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
what exactly is your ethical objection to killing people, anyway ? |
10:17 |
funkenstein_ |
none do as good as the original, lol still cracks me up |
10:17 |
funkenstein_ |
none |
10:17 |
funkenstein_ |
depends on the context |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
so then.... |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
guy's job would be to context. |
10:18 |
funkenstein_ |
but the organization in question is regarded as expert in driving ethics out of young recruits minds |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
whose ethics ? |
10:18 |
funkenstein_ |
any |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no such thing as "ethics". |
10:18 |
funkenstein_ |
follow orders, don't think |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
regarded by whom ? |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
and moreover, since when is the young recruit a standard of measure ? |
10:18 |
funkenstein_ |
actualy i agree with you on that no such thing as ethics.. but that's a longer discussion |
10:19 |
funkenstein_ |
regarded by themselves, for example |
10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
next you're going to judge the fief by the state of the peasantry. |
10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf is this, socialism ? |
10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
if the young recruits weren't imbeciles, one probably wouldn't have to drive the broken fragments of a dysfunctionally-superficial pseudo-ethics out of their dumb skulls. |
10:20 |
funkenstein_ |
it made me lol because, hey, pick a side |
10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
but as it is, it impedes function. |
10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality |
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10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
the point of every beta male since we were not yet descended. |
10:21 |
funkenstein_ |
if you want merciless military, then go for it. but don't say "oh and here's our feelings discussion group" |
10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
that may well be what you're reading into it, rather than what they're saying. |
10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
lemme point out that the "feelings" idiots have no monopoly on ethics. |
10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
in fact, they have absolutely no connection to ethics. |
10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
if physics is mentioned do you automatically think of aluminum siding salesmen ? |
10:23 |
funkenstein_ |
so Ethiks.. from the greek? |
10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i imagine in this case from the hebrew. |
10:24 |
mats |
http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150611/srep10768/full/srep10768.html via /. |
10:25 |
assbot |
Microrobotic tentacles with spiral bending capability based on shape-engineered elastomeric microtubes : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvI32z ) |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, killing and mercilessness aren't in the automatic relationship here proposed. there is such a thing as mercy killing. |
10:25 |
asciilifeform |
there is also merciless sparing |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so there is. |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"VelocityViewServlet : Error processing a template for path '/vrender' |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
Invocation of method 'getSubjectsByDOI' in class npg.ncode.velocity.toolbox.OntologyTool threw exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded at /view/macros/global.macros.vm[line 1082, column 68] |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded" |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
aww, java lang outta memory ? I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS B4 |
10:25 |
asciilifeform |
l0ltr0n1c! what was mircea_popescu running ? |
10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform amusingly enough, mats link |
10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
b-a slashdotted nature.com |
10:26 |
mats |
oh nature |
10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform VELOCITYVIEW mind you!!1 |
10:26 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161800 << how does that work ? |
10:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 14:20:45; mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality |
10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform exactly what the slavegirl says : i am nothing, use me for something so in that i may become someone. |
10:27 |
asciilifeform |
this sorta describes the condition one tries to beat soldiers into |
10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. this describes the condition of the vast majority of males. |
10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
the beating is so they stop lying about it. |
10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
chiefly, to themselves. |
10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
that's what beating does, confronts the beta with the incontrovertible "if what i pretend were true and what i know to be true were not, how come i am then beaten ???" |
10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
"i should be doing the beating" |
10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
before it comes to actual beatings, plenty of excuses to be had from all quarters |
10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
usually in the form "my real self hasn't emerged yet, but once it does... it took karate!11 it'll show you!11" |
10:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-sid-hacker.pdf << l0l of the day! >> http://dpaste.com/1A5KQF4.txt |
10:30 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvIIBi ) |
10:30 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvIGcA ) |
10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
POSSIBLE CLASSIFICATION IS TOP SECRET FROM: the SIDtoday Editor |
10:31 |
funkenstein_ |
just because one has been beaten does not mean one is "someone" |
10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
orly ?! |
10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
"You'll see people in shorts, tee-shirts, flip-flops, black clothes." |
10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ok these are retards. |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
funkenstein_ how did you read that in wha i said tho ?! |
10:32 |
funkenstein_ |
i agree we all seek intelligent masters... |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if you were to learn that they dress the programmers in evening coats instead, would not also say 'retards' ? |
10:33 |
funkenstein_ |
but the one doing the beating is sadly often the less intelligent one |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
so what, you propose the presence of an ethics officer pleads against the jdf's intelligence ? |
10:33 |
funkenstein_ |
idf please |
10:33 |
funkenstein_ |
jdf wtf??? |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes dude, whenever magic is discussed in terms of the robes and hats i will say retards. |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
funkenstein_ aok |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
funkenstein_ yes my whip is not the most intelligent part of the household. so what of it. |
10:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: as i understood, the robes were mentioned because 'see how unique is our directorate, we let the kidz dress in rags if they wish' |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
dja know how you train bulldogs ? |
10:34 |
funkenstein_ |
hey, I'm here for a reason :) |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform always an excuse, sure. they only did it ironically, you say ? fine, fine. |
10:34 |
nubbins` |
so here's a lame article |
10:34 |
nubbins` |
http://www.vice.com/read/the-tale-of-the-final-fantasy-vii-house-is-a-window-into-the-dark-side-of-cosplay-529 |
10:34 |
assbot |
When Fandom Goes Wrong: The Dark Tale of the 'Final Fantasy VII' House | VICE | United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvJgqM ) |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
("ironically" is this internet meme where the actor pretends his actions are stupid but he knows it, he merely engages because of reasons. his job, his audience, tptb etc) |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
tldr, some crazy lady rented a house and was a bit crazy |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
funkenstein_ you sit them in the door and you slam the door into them. they WILL chew down the door, but also learn better. |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
feel free to skim the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the content |
10:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i've no idea why they did it beyond the obvious fact that the type of public employed there traditionally dresses in rags |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a reason those doing the beating are the dumbest of hte lot. this does not invalidate the beating. |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
then, for the adult version of the same story, check this one out: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/paxton-s-version-police-interview-transcript-1.1271885 |
10:35 |
assbot |
Paxton's version: police interview transcript - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvJmP8 ) |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform get a chance to peek at that message? |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` so why even link vice then ? |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
this hot topic of the internet. |
10:36 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: yes. we have those here. boring, sop. |
10:36 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu the vice thing popped up today and reminded me of the paxton caser |
10:36 |
nubbins` |
*case |
10:36 |
nubbins` |
very long transcript but filled with actual crazy. |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
a ok |
10:37 |
nubbins` |
the torture victim's name and picture were originally published but have since had a publication ban, so it's now "the victim" and the pics are all blurred. |
10:37 |
nubbins` |
really strange |
10:38 |
nubbins` |
there's conjecture that this is all related to outstanding investigations into hell's angels |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` im not gonna read 69 pages of this thing and the article doesn't make it too clear , i could see either side. got some selected quotes ? |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
of course "investigation into hell's angels" is very much a case of police fighting a feud. |
10:40 |
nubbins` |
hard to find good examples, the crazy is spread out |
10:40 |
nubbins` |
it's a 233 page interview |
10:40 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/ZOKvKFf.png |
10:40 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvK0wa ) |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
not a great sign |
10:41 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: the photos in the vice article look exactly like the ones i described in old thread - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996769 |
10:41 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-01-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` how would you explain the state of a roommate's palate ? |
10:41 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu depends on whether i tortured him or not? |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose some ignorant twerps who think it's spelled palette asked you, about the cook dude |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
this is an established fact now ? |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
guy presented to ER weighing 80lbs down from 250, with his entire bottom lip missing |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ok... |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
covered in welts and cuts, ears cauliflowered |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
brain damage |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
etc |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and you believe this is an impossibility re your cook roommate ? |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
cook roomie is gone :D |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
or do you believe you're in any case responsible ? |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. i see, good for you. |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i dare to suggest that the vice article is a work of fiction. and that the illustrations are of the author's own dwelling. |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the standard interepretation whenever something appears in vice/slate/the rest of the shitsites. |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
the case being otherwise is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence |
10:44 |
asciilifeform |
this one has the stereotypical smell of just such a work. |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
on par with extraterrestrials opening a bronx pond shop |
10:44 |
asciilifeform |
the 'corners are rounded', so to speak. |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
10:45 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/VblZ5Ek.png |
10:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvKJxm ) |
10:45 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform half the kids i went to uni with had houses messier than that |
10:45 |
nubbins` |
"look at this ghastly photo of a couple things laid on an unmade bed" |
10:46 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/SMPaPIF.png |
10:46 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvKJgO ) |
10:46 |
nubbins` |
^ check last 2 photos in order |
10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
aha the det crippen guy knows his job |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i am at this point judging by the implicit cues and my understanding/preconceived notions re a functional police force that they most likely got their man. |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
now whether you'd convict on thebasis of that mostlycomes down to whether you're republican or democrat. |
10:48 |
danielpbarron |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I |
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10:48 |
assbot |
Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvL4A5 ) |
10:48 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/dustin-paxton-s-victim-says-brain-damage-kept-him-from-fleeing-1.2437472 |
10:48 |
assbot |
Dustin Paxton's victim says brain damage kept him from fleeing - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvL6YC ) |
10:49 |
nubbins` |
googling "dustin paxton" brings pics of the victim, but i can't recommend you look at them |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, we're squamish now / |
10:49 |
nubbins` |
fuck it then |
10:49 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/KgUc0uG.jpg |
10:49 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvLkyV ) |
10:49 |
nubbins` |
click away :P |
10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/01/20/dustin-paxton-the-torturer-and-calgarys-jessica-rogers-the-liar-now-a-couple-and-dr-phil-episode << lol they look just like ordinary internet ppls. |
10:50 |
assbot |
Dustin Paxton (the torturer) and Calgary's Jessica Rogers (the liar) now a coupl ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5eJTv ) |
10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe they could take up the cause of feminism in gaming or something |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, this gave me a chuckle : |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
I'm glad that he was declared a dangerous offender, but that only takes one person off the street, and there are lots of Paxtons out there, so the laws have to be changed to keep the public safe, she said. |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
Theyre safe from Paxton, but theyre not safe from people like Paxton. |
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10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
strange case of inversion from |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law! |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that! |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safe |
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10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ty's sake! |
10:54 |
nubbins` |
last one |
10:54 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/D6uTRz2.png |
10:54 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvM0o4 ) |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ie... and once the public's safe from all the paxtons, who's to keep isis out of the usis ? |
10:57 |
nubbins` |
related: http://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/2010/05/dustin-lafortune-moved-to-calgary-few.html |
10:57 |
assbot |
Gangsters Out Blog: Hells Angel murder witness badly tortured ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvMkTR ) |
10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
is there a bdsm angle to all of this ? |
10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
bikers, (leather's missing), weird living arrangements ? |
11:00 |
nubbins` |
i've been reading about this case off and on for 4+ years and i still can't make any sense of it |
11:00 |
nubbins` |
dude did beat his roomie w/ dog leashes, extension cords, etc |
11:00 |
nubbins` |
is it still considered bdsm if only one party is into it? :D |
11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
by whom ? |
11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
by nature, yes. inasmuch as a party doesn't fight back, a welt's a welt and a smack's a smack you know ? whether you kloink your slave or your roomate over the head, whether they consented to it or not doesn't enter in the functions that return "isbraindamage" as aboolean. |
11:04 |
nubbins` |
i read once that the victim was actually brought around to various locations to be beaten by different people |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder why they're not chasing the bdsm angle. |
11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
you'd expect it from the press neh ? |
11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
is there some sort of canadian conspiraci ? are they afraid of that derpy canadian corp i bitchslapped thisspring ? |
11:05 |
nubbins` |
ehhh i think BDSM angle doesn't add any further drama |
11:05 |
nubbins` |
it's crazy enough as it is |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
itdoesn't add any further drama ? you have the quote above. |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161932 |
11:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 14:54:10; mircea_popescu: Theyre safe from Paxton, but theyre not safe from people like Paxton. |
11:08 |
nubbins` |
there was a push after this to add "torture" to the criminal code |
11:08 |
nubbins` |
as it stands, in canada, it's only torture if it's performed by a state |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Paul_Jamin_-_Le_Brenn_et_sa_part_de_butin_1893.jpg << |
11:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvNQFA ) |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
brennus and his part of ... booty :D |
11:08 |
shinohai |
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/in-2015s-biggest-seizure-customs-officials-at-mumbai-airport-seize-gold-worth-rs-1-99-crore-from-aircraft-toilets/ O.o |
11:08 |
assbot |
Customs officials at Mumbai airport seize gold worth Rs 1.99 cr from aircraft toilets | The Indian Express ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvNU84 ) |
11:10 |
nubbins` |
250kg gold since january :0 |
11:10 |
nubbins` |
what are they doing, repatriating it to the usa? :D |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
lol, the indian state is desperate because minority holder in the country. indians are nuts with the stuff. |
11:12 |
shinohai |
Someone may have literally shit gold bricks. |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, they are, "storing" it where the germans did. |
11:19 |
scoopbot_revived |
Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/ |
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11:22 |
kakobrekla |
hehe, gossipd still not done till 2115. |
11:22 |
thestringpuller |
nubbins`: you get my pm? |
11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd bet on that... |
11:24 |
thestringpuller |
so garzik proposes a soft-fork, and the shills act more retarded than ever stating, "No. We need to hard fork the network and up the cap." |
11:26 |
pete_dushenski |
kakobrekla: lmao y'know that's a point i hadn't considered. |
11:27 |
pete_dushenski |
or mebbe 'gossipd' does exist in a century but the kids are calling it 'irc' for nostalgia's sake |
11:27 |
pete_dushenski |
and by 'the kids' i mean the lordship |
11:28 |
pete_dushenski |
in any event, promises to do this or that 'by the end of the century even though we won't have a country' is the 2nd lulziest shit all week |
11:29 |
pete_dushenski |
after david thorne, naturally |
11:29 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161667 << true story, i had the mazda version of the same car |
11:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 01:41:21; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe' |
11:30 |
pete_dushenski |
ford and mazda co-developed the platform and each made their own body style atop it |
11:30 |
pete_dushenski |
many parts were shared to save costs |
11:30 |
pete_dushenski |
the digital dashboard included |
11:30 |
pete_dushenski |
my 1988 mazda mx-6 *had the digital dashboard* |
11:32 |
pete_dushenski |
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8315/dsc000800224956.jpg << as seen here |
11:32 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MvRhMt ) |
11:33 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161628 << '82 all day. i loved the lines of that car as a kid. |
11:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 01:22:27; ben_vulpes: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5067940938.html vs http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5050595367.html |
11:33 |
pete_dushenski |
mebbe a 5-6 year old |
11:33 |
pete_dushenski |
9-10 year-old me wanted a jeep tj for some reason |
11:34 |
pete_dushenski |
then computers came along and i didn't give a shit about cars until 2nd year university |
11:34 |
pete_dushenski |
after taking public transport for an hour each way to class when it was only a 10-minute drive, i started caring about cars pretty quickly |
11:37 |
nubbins` |
thestringpuller yep, got it |
11:38 |
nubbins` |
is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen? |
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11:39 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: also, those vettes are a steal compared to the ones here http://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/strathcona-county/corvette-collectors-edition/1071669781 << "from washington state" |
11:39 |
assbot |
Corvette Collectors Edition | classic cars | Strathcona County | Kijiji ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6VhIC ) |
11:40 |
pete_dushenski |
that's an extreme example, but even 'non-collectors' c3 vettes are still $15-20k here |
11:43 |
thestringpuller |
nubbins`: depends on the cost. |
11:46 |
funkenstein_ |
those are some nice wheelchairs |
11:47 |
jurov |
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dont-listen-to-edward-snowdens-supporters--his-leaks-have-been-a-gift-to-terrorists-10307959.html such bull |
11:47 |
assbot |
Don't listen to Edward Snowden's supporters – his leaks have been a gift to terrorists - Comment - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6VPOE ) |
11:58 |
pete_dushenski |
"Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups developing new encryption technology." |
11:58 |
pete_dushenski |
more like "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups to discard new encryption technology in favour of good ol' pgp. " |
11:59 |
pete_dushenski |
sorry, "new techmologee" |
11:59 |
pete_dushenski |
"In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter." |
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11:59 |
pete_dushenski |
haha excellent. |
12:07 |
danielpbarron |
!up goregrind |
12:08 |
jurov |
!up AmbitionzAzARida |
12:14 |
pete_dushenski |
funkenstein_: replied http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/space-travel-isnt-for-you-there-are-no-virgins-there-either/#comment-20265 |
12:14 |
assbot |
Space travel isn’t for you. There are no virgins there either. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6Y5FU ) |
12:17 |
pete_dushenski |
aaaand i'm off to meatlandia ! laters ! |
12:22 |
nubbins` |
thestringpuller summers are busy so if this is a real project, yes, otherwise no |
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12:55 |
mats |
https://www.nccgroup.trust/uk/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blogs/2015/june/blind-return-oriented-programming |
12:55 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1e91h3y ) |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
13:25 |
fluffypony |
http://i.imgur.com/MOCMJ3t.jpg |
13:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1e95VOV ) |
13:26 |
jurov |
howdy! having 'roos outbreak in south africa? |
13:27 |
fluffypony |
lol |
13:28 |
fluffypony |
nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;) |
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13:28 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
13:28 |
jurov |
https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron |
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13:29 |
* |
ascii_field listened, out of entomological interest, to a recording of interview with hearn. yes, him. among the expected idiocies, hearn confessed to an interest in 'remote attestation' and 'trusted computing' as 'promising' alternatives to normally functioning bitcoin... |
13:29 |
trinque |
jurov: I already see him in that thread |
13:29 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128131 << see also. |
13:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-05-2015 18:32:09; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat |
13:32 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162009 << 3/4 short of goal. |
13:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 15:59:37; pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter." |
13:37 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161973 << what even. |
13:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 15:19:36; scoopbot_revived: Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/ |
13:40 |
trinque |
2115? :( |
13:40 |
trinque |
gimme the 2040s at the latest |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
that wasn't even the lulziest thing |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
but the bureaucratic flavour of 'u.n. minutes' |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
i assume pete meant this as a spoof |
13:42 |
jurov |
http://digg.com/video/mad-scientist-builds-a-40-watt-laser-shotgun ascii_field you wanted laserguns? |
13:42 |
assbot |
Mad Scientist Builds A 40-Watt Laser Shotgun - Digg ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSJaKW ) |
13:43 |
jurov |
;;lasers |
13:43 |
gribble |
┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* |
13:43 |
trinque |
jurov: that thing looks damned fun; needs more lasers and MOAR POWER though |
13:43 |
ascii_field |
eh scam |
13:43 |
ascii_field |
diode array laser isn't additive ! |
13:43 |
trinque |
oh :( |
13:44 |
ascii_field |
(there is a reason coherent beans are more interesting than 'archimedes'-style collimated white light) |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
client is using heroku |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
heroku does not persist state |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
users want to upload images |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
solution? |
13:44 |
trinque |
an hero-ku |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
IMAGES INTO POSTGRES BINARY FIELD WOOO |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
an hero-kun! |
13:45 |
jurov |
ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not |
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13:45 |
ascii_field |
jurov: i'd pick it over nagant |
13:46 |
jurov |
ben_vulpes: redirect them to imgur? |
13:46 |
ben_vulpes |
mnah |
13:46 |
ben_vulpes |
i prefer to abuse mother postgres |
13:46 |
ben_vulpes |
loosen her up with these big old binaries |
13:47 |
trinque |
it'll totally work |
13:47 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field i think he used a lens to focus the discrete beams |
13:48 |
nubbins` |
that said, i was pretty unimpressed with the amount of time it took to light paper on fire |
13:48 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: do you understand what 'coherence' means re: laser light ? |
13:48 |
nubbins` |
i could do better with a lens on a sunny day |
13:48 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field in general |
13:49 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: not same as collimation. |
13:49 |
jurov |
he had fixed focus |
13:49 |
ascii_field |
it means that wave is in phase. |
13:49 |
ascii_field |
nothing whatsoever to do with focus |
13:49 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: it *did* totally work |
13:50 |
nubbins` |
sure |
13:50 |
jurov |
might be interesting to reuse old camera with autofocus |
13:50 |
nubbins` |
i still think he used a lens to focus the beams 8) |
13:50 |
ascii_field |
http://amasci.com/miscon/coherenc.html |
13:50 |
assbot |
WHAT IS COHERENCE? Lasers and coherent light ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSKCwW ) |
13:50 |
ascii_field |
^^^ mandatory |
13:52 |
jurov |
ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice? |
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13:52 |
jurov |
energy gets trnasferred to target eithrt |
13:52 |
jurov |
*either |
13:52 |
ascii_field |
jurov: yes. |
13:52 |
trinque |
matter of constructive or destructive interference right? |
13:53 |
ascii_field |
jurov: sorta like the famous gedankenexperiment where chinese radio orders all citizens to get on stools and jump at the same time |
13:53 |
trinque |
hahaha |
13:54 |
jurov |
if you happen to end up with destructive coherence between two laser diodes, where the energy goes? |
13:54 |
jurov |
*intereference |
13:55 |
ascii_field |
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRi4dv9KgCg |
13:55 |
assbot |
Optics: Destructive interference - Where does the light go? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSLmlO ) |
13:55 |
nubbins` |
same place it goes when two people jump into opposite ends of pool |
13:57 |
jurov |
okay. so i'd combine different wavelengths diodes then. still more easily to obtain here than nagant parts and ammo |
13:57 |
ascii_field |
jurov: seriously, easier ? |
13:59 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
13:59 |
jurov |
!up ascii_field |
13:59 |
ascii_field |
jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also) |
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13:59 |
jurov |
it makes noise |
13:59 |
ascii_field |
or hell, in what country can one not make an arbalest ? |
13:59 |
ascii_field |
from materials in any skip ? |
14:00 |
jurov |
nagant ==== arbalest now? |
14:00 |
ascii_field |
at close range, i'd rather take nagant bullet than a bolt from arbalest (if decently constructed) |
14:03 |
ascii_field |
http://laserpointerforums.com/attachments/f39/46301d1413484753-40w-co2-laser-tube-power-supply-tubeandps.jpg << actual 40w laser. i have this (very common!) tube. |
14:03 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HAgZQr ) |
14:04 |
ascii_field |
ir. so no one will be making 'sexy' films about these. |
14:05 |
jurov |
see the chunky power supply next to it? that's why |
14:05 |
ascii_field |
jurov: photo doesn't even include the water pumps and chiller |
14:05 |
mod6 |
im attempting to apply the gcc patch we discussed the other night: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html |
14:05 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HAhutI ) |
14:05 |
ascii_field |
(serious co2 lasers also recirculate the actual co2, rather than keeping it in sealed pipe) |
14:05 |
mod6 |
gentoo has an ability to allow you to do an overlay .. but holy crap. gentoo is such a nightmare. |
14:06 |
ascii_field |
gentoo is a nightmare but the non-gentoo world is an utter hell |
14:06 |
jurov |
so, in the end, combining x diodes even if not coherent needs less energy than one coherent tube. |
14:06 |
mod6 |
and the documentation is so bad, it's not even accurate, and makes assumptions about the audience. smh. |
14:06 |
ascii_field |
i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo |
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14:06 |
ascii_field |
(or bsd) |
14:07 |
nubbins` |
osx ;p |
14:07 |
* |
nubbins` cackles, weeps |
14:07 |
nubbins` |
so i popped a brand-new piece of mesh this morning |
14:07 |
nubbins` |
let me find a pic |
14:07 |
mod6 |
trinque says y, "to learn gentoo, you must have learned gentoo". which is the total truth. you can't just pick this thing up and figure it out. |
14:07 |
mod6 |
you have to pick it up and then figure out all out. bzzzzt. |
14:07 |
ascii_field |
jurov: the best known way to combine power from multiple diode lasers is fiber. but this only works for certain wavelengths where fiber works well. |
14:08 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/KXZT8TX |
14:08 |
assbot |
Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSNWrR ) |
14:08 |
ascii_field |
jurov: you can get a few dozen kW of this on, e.g., 'ebay' |
14:08 |
ascii_field |
aim like garden hose. |
14:08 |
nubbins` |
*brand* new. hadn't even been sullied with ink yet. |
14:11 |
mod6 |
UGH |
14:12 |
jurov |
mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one |
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14:13 |
mod6 |
i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks. |
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14:14 |
shinohai |
I havent picked up gentoo yet :/ |
14:16 |
mod6 |
im still not sure why we're not taking a hard look at openbsd |
14:18 |
mod6 |
after 6 weeks, all that I can conclude about gentoo is it's basically unuseable. |
14:18 |
nubbins` |
there was some discussion on this |
14:18 |
nubbins` |
iirc, *BSD is a completely other type of retarded. |
14:18 |
jurov |
O.o how unuseable? |
14:19 |
nubbins` |
gentoo was chosen, i believe, at the behest of alf |
14:19 |
mod6 |
it's unuseable. |
14:19 |
nubbins` |
mod6 i compiled bitcoind on gentoo |
14:19 |
nubbins` |
and buildroot as well |
14:19 |
mod6 |
i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain. |
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14:19 |
nubbins` |
there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas |
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14:19 |
nubbins` |
it just doesn't exist |
14:20 |
* |
nubbins` takes a break from corporate income tax forms |
14:20 |
jurov |
maybe it just refuses to fit your preconceptions |
14:21 |
nubbins` |
^ |
14:21 |
mod6 |
naw, i have no preconceptions about anything. im talking about using this thing. |
14:21 |
mod6 |
and it sucks. |
14:21 |
nubbins` |
mod6 for god's sakes man, use specifics |
14:21 |
jurov |
i'm use it daily as my desktop. for years and yes, pls sepcifics |
14:21 |
nubbins` |
this is like telling the waiter your food tastes un-good |
14:21 |
nubbins` |
is it too salty or is there poop in it? |
14:23 |
shinohai |
evening assets https://i.imgur.com/yPNebWv.jpg [nsfw for some] |
14:23 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QSQt5p ) |
14:24 |
nubbins` |
not sure why you shared that, but hi |
14:24 |
ben_vulpes |
in what world is that nsfw? |
14:24 |
mod6 |
what i'm sayin is this: without expert knowledge of how to use gentoo, I can't do what needs to be done in a reasonable amount of time. everyting for me in there is arduous, painstaking. |
14:24 |
nubbins` |
the old world |
14:24 |
nubbins` |
mod6 an example, please |
14:24 |
nubbins` |
what can you not do |
14:25 |
mod6 |
umm. everything. |
14:25 |
nubbins` |
HELP US HELP YOU |
14:25 |
nubbins` |
you can't get a bash prompt? |
14:25 |
jurov |
mod6 if what you are doing is compiling C binaries, then learning to solve gentoo problems is unavoidable part of it |
14:25 |
nubbins` |
can't get online? |
14:25 |
nubbins` |
wat |
14:25 |
jurov |
and yes, what is *the* problem? |
14:25 |
shinohai |
http://xtnodes.com/ <<<LOLOLOL |
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14:25 |
assbot |
XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAmP4k ) |
14:27 |
mod6 |
<+nubbins`> you can't get a bash prompt? << for instance on my POS box that I bought for $129.00 an x86_64 core2duo, I can't even install the os. All i can do is boot the livecd, do the chroot stuff, and then end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot. when it comes to my instance in AWS, i've had better luck, but doing stuff for me is so time consuming. in this case, i need to get gcc recompiled with patches to see if we can get past this error we |
14:27 |
mod6 |
could I just pull down gcc-4.8.4 itself and patch? sure. it'd be a lot easier. |
14:28 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << gentoo is not an evening thing. it is a lifetime commitment. |
14:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain. |
14:28 |
mod6 |
but im positive that i'd never get it configured correctly to use uclibc and whatever other configurations are required to even test this patch. even if I get the patch to work, how am I supposed to get this into such a state that someone else can repeat it? |
14:29 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
14:29 |
mod6 |
luckally trinque has been holdig my hand on all of this. |
14:29 |
mod6 |
but... *shrug*. w/e. |
14:29 |
ascii_field |
and i should point out that in my mind gentoo is defined by ~absences~ of crud, rather than specific attributes which are ~present~ |
14:29 |
jurov |
end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot << for example this is you're 90% there, use the prompt to find the kernel and boot, then reconfigure grub from the running system |
14:30 |
* |
mod6 goes back to banging his head |
14:30 |
jurov |
what head banging there? |
14:30 |
jurov |
grub can be problematic in any distro |
14:31 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162166 << poor schmuck, he oughta ask his handler at ft meade for more boxes |
14:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 18:25:57; shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/ <<<LOLOLOL |
14:40 |
kakobrekla |
you dont need more boxes |
14:40 |
ascii_field |
mr hearnia does |
14:44 |
trinque |
their github readme tries to make it sound like it's not just about the block size |
14:45 |
trinque |
clear intent to frame the blocksize thing in the context of a bunch of other (bullshit) progress! |
14:45 |
trinque |
"DNS seed changes: bitseed.xf2.org is removed as it no longer works, and seeds from Addy Yeow and Mike Hearn are (re)added to increase seed diversity and redundancy." << LOL |
14:46 |
fluffypony |
[19:59:12] <Relos>I can hear mary antoinette saying: "let them eat cake" |
14:46 |
fluffypony |
mary |
14:46 |
fluffypony |
MARY |
14:46 |
fluffypony |
omg nubbins` |
14:46 |
fluffypony |
Mary Antoinette sounds like a maid from the farmlands |
14:46 |
ascii_field |
l0ltr0n1c |
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15:06 |
punkman |
http://bitcoinassociation.ch/blog/no-vat-on-bitcoin-in-switzerland/ |
15:06 |
assbot |
No VAT on Bitcoin in Switzerland | Bitcoin Association Switzerland ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7b4r7 ) |
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15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
!up danielpbarron |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
!up tank100 |
15:29 |
punkman |
http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08158.html |
15:29 |
assbot |
[Bitcoin-development] Miners: You'll (very likely) need to upgrade your Bitcoin Core node soon to support BIP66 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT1Daq ) |
15:29 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
15:29 |
ascii_field |
punkman: 'need to' aha |
15:29 |
ascii_field |
l0l |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
herpitty-derp. |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc .95 * 1 + 2 - 2.8 |
15:32 |
gribble |
0.15 |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
seems the red line's way off. |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ah actually mebbe not. |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, this is the thing trying to fix the signatures issue isn';t it ? |
15:34 |
punkman |
one of them at least |
15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << prolly worth yet another read |
15:34 |
assbot |
bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT2mbq ) |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin |
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15:35 |
punkman |
in other news http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Bitcoin+Gets+Second+Wind+As+World%26apos%3Bs+First+Hair+Wholesaler,+AiryHair,+Ditches+Cash+For+Cryptocurrency+With+A+Rap+Video/10644510.html |
15:35 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Gets Second Wind As World's First Hair Wholesaler, AiryHair, Ditches Cash For Cryptocurrency With A Rap Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT2s2M ) |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
also iirc valid sigs that are uncompliant can actually be fixed without resigining |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman second wind eh ?mmmkay. |
15:36 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162213 << just say when. |
15:36 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 19:35:05; mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin |
15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161998 << lotta those ? |
15:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 15:38:37; nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen? |
15:47 |
nubbins` |
there's like $150 worth of concept sketches of you riding a horse and squinting at the sun around here somewhere |
15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ahaha what was that all about ? |
15:47 |
ascii_field |
in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support. |
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15:47 |
ascii_field |
every time i have to burn (or even read) an eeprom i end up doing something retarded like this - http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/romsucker_working.png |
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15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162025 << poor gavin, everyone wants a piece of his ass now. the sad fate of the internet lolcow. |
15:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:47; jurov: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron |
15:48 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu ask tsp i guess :D |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field that's not SO retarded. |
15:48 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: it is monumentally retarded to do whole day's work to read back an 8k rom. |
15:48 |
ascii_field |
4k actually |
15:48 |
ascii_field |
(in that photo) |
15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but you keeping the pinboard around neh ? |
15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
do it once have it forevar. |
15:49 |
ascii_field |
no because next time, different pinout |
15:49 |
ascii_field |
have to tear it out, pull out pen, paper... |
15:49 |
ascii_field |
rom burner is this thing where you don't have to. pull the part # from db and drop in the chip |
15:49 |
ascii_field |
(into 'zif' socket with mechanical lever, too, avoid bending the ancient pins |
15:49 |
ascii_field |
) |
15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162055 << what happens if i wear tin foil ? |
15:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 17:45:18; jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not |
15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field one for each pinout ? |
15:51 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: one for each pin pitch |
15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lol get a lever pinboard!!1 |
15:52 |
ascii_field |
(you can drop arbitrary dip into a dip-40 so long as it physically fits, and the microcontroller knows what to do) |
15:52 |
ascii_field |
nobody makes lever breadboards. |
15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
they should tho |
15:52 |
ascii_field |
http://www.logicaldevices.com/cm6000u.JPG << example of rom burner |
15:52 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QtOoCc ) |
15:53 |
ascii_field |
breadboards are also terrible re: distortion. |
15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
15:53 |
ascii_field |
the correct solution to the problem is physically shaped like the above photo. |
15:53 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: as long as there are breathing/talking holes left... |
15:54 |
decimation |
yeah breadboards have large distributed impedance |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162078 << yes dude. the difference between cars going the same place and cars going at the same pace. |
15:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 17:52:04; jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice? |
15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
not even. "cars going the same place and cars being wheel to wheel on the road" |
15:55 |
shinohai |
I need a logo: http://i.imgur.com/Of7w3cz.jpg |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162094 << any boy that is allowed to be a photo-hipster can turn plain paper into nitrocellulose. that'll work better than butane. |
15:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 17:59:25; ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also) |
15:56 |
ascii_field |
^ did this |
15:56 |
shinohai |
lol |
15:57 |
nubbins` |
you also need a font with a # character |
15:57 |
nubbins` |
and a white drop shadow |
15:57 |
nubbins` |
:P |
15:57 |
ascii_field |
but the butane example pertains to hypothetical boy with access only to 'typical u.s. household' garbage |
15:57 |
shinohai |
yes indeed. potato quality indeed. |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai you're jewish ? |
15:58 |
shinohai |
i have jewish family. im not religious myself in any traditional sense. |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yE7v4wkuZU |
15:59 |
shinohai |
but, i couldn't resist a play on the yeshiva theme. |
15:59 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: yes, we did this. |
15:59 |
ascii_field |
back in the free world. |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
16:00 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162112 < ascii lots of 'serious folks' use redhat for this reason |
16:00 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 18:06:34; ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
dear god the guy in there's unsafe. |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
seriously, placing your hand to block the upside clearance of the berzelius glass ? |
16:00 |
decimation |
as much as they derp on shit, they still do a decent job of delivering a platform that is a stable target |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf, who does this |
16:00 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
16:02 |
trinque |
decimation: I probably understand more about redhat's stable target than your garden-variety redhat user because I've used gentoo for so long |
16:02 |
scoopbot_revived |
Reddit Outrage Reveals Silicon Valley Censorship Agenda http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/ |
16:02 |
decimation |
trinque: trust me I've lived on gentoo for years |
16:03 |
decimation |
it forced me to learn why I don't want the latest of everything |
16:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck |
16:03 |
ascii_field |
i find all unixlikes but gentoo and freebsd to be quite unusable for daily work |
16:03 |
trinque |
yep, and also of what a linux system is actually composed |
16:03 |
decimation |
ascii_field: but you have admitted that you don't pull gentoo updates regularly |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
aww BingoBoingo why so short ? |
16:03 |
ascii_field |
aha |
16:04 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Draft, accidentipublished. Returned to draft bin |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
16:04 |
decimation |
so youre 'gentoo' is really gentoo* where * denotes "hand selected all software" |
16:04 |
ascii_field |
aha |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, trilema has a 5 minute delay in the rss feed for this and similar reasons |
16:04 |
ascii_field |
anything else is a sewage pit |
16:04 |
BingoBoingo |
https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << In other news two non-suck traffic days in a row |
16:04 |
assbot |
Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOj4H ) |
16:04 |
decimation |
I do admit that when I've tried openbsd I've been impressed by the presence of actual documentation |
16:05 |
trinque |
also had a great introductory experience w/ obsd |
16:05 |
decimation |
I also admit that rhel7 is a clusterfuck |
16:06 |
decimation |
and redhat is going 'full vm' |
16:07 |
trinque |
decimation: doing the coreos thing with dual-roots or something? |
16:07 |
decimation |
well, it's more that redhat seems to focus nearly 100% on providing vm clients and hosts |
16:08 |
decimation |
that and j2ee bullshit |
16:08 |
decimation |
their focus on providing a reasonable experience for the console user is nearly nonexistent |
16:08 |
decimation |
!up asciilifeform |
16:08 |
decimation |
!up ascii_field |
16:11 |
ascii_field |
there is NO reason why eeprom programmer shouldn't just appear as usb mass storage on the pc end |
16:11 |
ascii_field |
http://www.sslug.dk/~chlor/prom << even in '02 this was obvious |
16:12 |
decimation |
ascii_field: why does it require specialized turdware then? |
16:12 |
ascii_field |
decimation: because the world is awash in turdmeisters |
16:12 |
ascii_field |
also in 1990s gigantic microcontrollers did not exist, and the complexity (db of possible chips, etc) had to live in software |
16:12 |
ascii_field |
on pc end |
16:13 |
decimation |
yeah, plus proprietary chip configurations |
16:13 |
ascii_field |
http://blog.killtheradio.net/tricks-hacks/how-to-get-the-top2004-programmer-running-under-windows-7-64-bit << even under winblows, they suck |
16:13 |
ascii_field |
(what -doesn't- suck there ?) |
16:13 |
decimation |
it's kinda like modern cars having few user-servicable parts |
16:13 |
decimation |
apparently the 'demand' doesn't exist |
16:13 |
decimation |
or if it does, it has been quashed |
16:14 |
decimation |
"who needs to fix their own chips?" |
16:14 |
ascii_field |
'who needs a logic analyzer that can talk to software people write themselves' ? (see yesterday's thread) |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162127 << why ? is this some new jurov rule ? |
16:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 18:12:31; jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one |
16:16 |
decimation |
ascii_field: yeah I read your bitching |
16:16 |
jurov |
you know of anything both insanely configurable and immediately intuitive? |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
death. |
16:16 |
ascii_field |
!b 2 |
16:16 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Y9MJ0Z.txt ) |
16:17 |
trinque |
bwahaha |
16:17 |
ascii_field |
decimation: it blows my mind that the market for sane engineering tools of even very basic varieties DOES NOT EXIST |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
do i get a prize ? |
16:17 |
ascii_field |
this is how you get the iranian centrifuges with winblows, etc |
16:17 |
jurov |
mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
well... kill someone, at any rate. |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field it's really a socialism problem. the plebeian criterion "it works" has surpassed the aristocratic "it makes sense". this is supposedly... better. in fact it's merely cheaper, |
16:19 |
decimation |
ascii_field: yeah I have a friend who used to work at HP developing logic analyzers |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
in the limited sense of "cheaper" that means "more accessible to the plebs" |
16:19 |
decimation |
he saw the writing on the wall when the winblows mandate came around, decided to bail |
16:19 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: thing is, we could get the $20k one here at $firm. but it will RUN XP |
16:19 |
ascii_field |
and so we don't. |
16:20 |
decimation |
to be clear, in the case of logic analyzers the main problem is that only fancy chip makers use them anymore |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
(yes, the high-end instruments ~actually run xp~) |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
soo... quantcast "upgraded" its site, now i can no longer see the graphs. |
16:20 |
decimation |
ascii_field: surely there are older HP models that run HP-UX? |
16:20 |
ascii_field |
decimation: older ones have no way of pushing bits to pc at channel speed ! |
16:20 |
decimation |
then you might get to write some IEEE-488 |
16:21 |
decimation |
no usually not |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
i need them at channel speed. |
16:21 |
decimation |
they have a shitty gpib |
16:21 |
decimation |
these days if you want to buy high speed logic, you buy a chip where someone else did everything for you |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
why the fuck would i pay for a machine with a 128kB buffer and 1G/s sample rate ? |
16:21 |
decimation |
so the market for logic analyzers has shrunk to chip makers |
16:21 |
ascii_field |
if it can't piss the bits out to pc at 1G/s |
16:22 |
decimation |
this is a problem with test equipment in general |
16:22 |
decimation |
very few support streaming data at reasonable rates |
16:22 |
ascii_field |
decimation: chip makers willing to use xp |
16:22 |
decimation |
absolutely they are |
16:22 |
decimation |
because they assign their indian h1b to test the chip |
16:22 |
decimation |
don't give a fuck what indian thinks |
16:23 |
decimation |
ascii_field: what about this: https://www.saleae.com/ |
16:23 |
assbot |
The Logic Analyzer with Analog - Saleae ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThqI2R ) |
16:23 |
ascii_field |
decimation: slow as fuck, and USED CLOSED DRIVER |
16:23 |
decimation |
heh yeah it is slow |
16:24 |
decimation |
what you expect for usb 2 |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
so solves NEITHER |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
may as well be a winblows item like the 1,001 it competes with |
16:24 |
decimation |
the driver might be closed, but supposedly you can buy chinese knockoffs for cheap |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
aha already got one of those |
16:24 |
trinque |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/12/us-cybersecurity-usa-whitehouse-idUSKBN0OS26Q20150612 << 14mil employees' data affected up from 4mil |
16:24 |
assbot |
White house: cannot confirm reports 14 million affected by hack| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThqQ2l ) |
16:24 |
ascii_field |
utter garbage |
16:24 |
trinque |
hilarious |
16:24 |
trinque |
"cannot confirm" |
16:25 |
trinque |
I look forward to the day when somebody makes their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from there. |
16:25 |
decimation |
ascii_field: so you want high speed, streaming and no winblows? |
16:25 |
decimation |
I don't think that exists |
16:26 |
decimation |
what frequency do you need? |
16:26 |
ascii_field |
decimation: 500MHz+ |
16:26 |
decimation |
streaming 500 megasamples/sec? |
16:26 |
ascii_field |
aha. |
16:26 |
decimation |
heh that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead |
16:27 |
ascii_field |
it'd fit on pci-e handily |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo anyway, pretty good, i see pretty much no article qntra published this month got less than 1k reads THIS MONTH. last months pushing 5-10 depending. it's not bad by any measure. |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i doubt vice has that much readership, notwithstanding the count of clucking clickers clicking around. |
16:27 |
ascii_field |
decimation: and it is way below the write speed of my hdd, which is the real limit |
16:27 |
decimation |
ascii_field: does it need to go down to DC? You could use an 'ettus radio' |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
decimation: yes it needs to go to dc |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
wtf else is a logic analyzer |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
if i have a steady state, it needs to show - that. |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
if 100MHz square wave - then it. |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
otherwise it's a turd |
16:28 |
decimation |
most of those radios don't go down below 100 mhz |
16:28 |
ascii_field |
decimation: radio doesn't pick up arbitrary waveforms |
16:29 |
ascii_field |
it wants carriers, fsk, etc |
16:29 |
ascii_field |
a radio is not an oscilloscope ! |
16:29 |
decimation |
sure is, if it goes down to DC |
16:29 |
punkman |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2015#1001114 << couple of 500mhz devices listed there, I wouldn't hope for much though |
16:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 01-02-2015 07:05:04; punkman: ;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you http://sigrok.org/wiki/Supported_hardware#Logic_analyzers |
16:29 |
decimation |
yeah it does do arbitrary waveforms |
16:30 |
mod6 |
<+jurov> mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah, thanks for the tip. |
16:30 |
jurov |
not me, mircea |
16:30 |
ascii_field |
punkman: saw that, yes |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162128 o.O |
16:30 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 18:13:31; mod6: i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks. |
16:30 |
decimation |
ascii_field: what about rhode & schwarz? |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 you seriously proposing marrying to openbsd ? |
16:30 |
ascii_field |
decimation: where is the mention of linux there ? |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << fwiw this was my experience as well, but not sure whether this is because badly packaged or outright evil. |
16:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain. |
16:31 |
decimation |
I think they might use winblows too |
16:31 |
decimation |
I told their sales guy that was a dumb idea |
16:31 |
ascii_field |
decimation: so 100% as worthless as agilent et al |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162140 << why ? |
16:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas |
16:32 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend |
16:32 |
decimation |
they were trying to 'break into the market' with a different oscope |
16:32 |
ascii_field |
i see nothing 'different' about it |
16:32 |
ascii_field |
even has the asinine 'ask for quote' |
16:32 |
ascii_field |
so they can give usg own price, and you - another |
16:32 |
trinque |
it's just a matter of having the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head |
16:33 |
trinque |
the handbook they have is overly complex, and tries to include you in the decisionmaking |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque i recall that part... |
16:33 |
mod6 |
eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting to the point with this thing where i realize at least 1 thing: I don't have the technical experience in the context of gentoo to get us where we want to go in a timly fashion. My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before that. Everything has been a struggle here, for me. Not that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's taking me waaay too long. Maybe I just had bad expectations as |
16:33 |
decimation |
ascii_field: http://www.effectivebits.net/2011/08/to-run-windows-or-not-to-run-windows.html < supposedly some tektronix scopes run linux |
16:33 |
assbot |
Effective Bits: To run Windows or not to run Windows - All About Oscilloscope Operating Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTbL2T ) |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 the problem is that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard to sell that thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases" |
16:34 |
decimation |
tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if they don't have something than probably nobody does |
16:34 |
mod6 |
that's fair. gentoo might be the right move. |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
fwiw de raadt isn't even in here. |
16:34 |
ascii_field |
decimation: as far as i can tell, they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link |
16:34 |
decimation |
yeah possibly not |
16:35 |
decimation |
that's probably a 'premium feature' |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
not for 100, not for 100,000 |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
not for $maxint. |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out the bits to pci-e lanes. |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
talking about perhaps 1,000 transistors here. |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
and nobody wants to sell this. |
16:35 |
ascii_field |
for any amount. |
16:36 |
decimation |
well, possibly because they are afraid someone will 'cut them out' of the user interface |
16:36 |
decimation |
then all they have to sell is some analog electronics attached to a digitizer |
16:36 |
ascii_field |
or will 'have problems' |
16:36 |
ascii_field |
and factory mysteriously burns |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field so the 1k transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct. time to move on eh ? |
16:38 |
decimation |
actually it's not so much that |
16:38 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: i need it here and now. |
16:38 |
decimation |
I suspect it might run into 'itar' rules too |
16:38 |
decimation |
so 'no export for you' |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
16:38 |
ascii_field |
and anyone pursuing sanity today, needs it. |
16:38 |
* |
mircea_popescu hands ascii_field a roll of duct tape and taped old tv shows |
16:39 |
ascii_field |
probably ought to explain. see all of those instruments that were never reverse-engineered adequately ? |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
yes |
16:39 |
ascii_field |
it was from a lack of precisely this simple tool. |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
figures. |
16:39 |
ascii_field |
(and, often, the muscles) |
16:39 |
ascii_field |
but must have ~both~ |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
looky, there's no argument here, i can follow what you're saying. this thing is not hard to make, is a requisite, should exist but does not. definitely it's a niche. |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
this has been established. |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i like it when people doing digital bullshit speak of "bespoke". yeah, totally, it means something OTHER than "we want to be paid 10x what our shit's worth on the open market for no other reason than we feel so special and we got a bookmarked link to a thesaurus website" |
16:42 |
ascii_field |
most likely don't even own a thesaurus, but simply read neal stephenson's novel 'diamond age.' |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
besuckmycocke |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
mmmyeah |
16:42 |
decimation |
there is no 'bespoke' in electronics |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ya think ? |
16:42 |
decimation |
everything is made en-mass in chip fabs |
16:43 |
decimation |
if the indian tester fucked up the chip for your application, sucks for you |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, ascii_field, how does one check cardanos without an oscilloscope ? |
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16:44 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: the digital half is easier, given as most of the action takes place on the micro |
16:44 |
ascii_field |
the rng -must- be checked with scope |
16:44 |
ascii_field |
but, fortunately, it is a low-speed device |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
my question to you is, why must it be checked at higher frequency than what we use. |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
we don't poll it 500mhz |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
not even close. |
16:44 |
ascii_field |
because nyquist |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
even so. |
16:44 |
ascii_field |
but in this story i was not speaking of cardano |
16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a math approach to select good multiples. |
16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
do half, one and a half, three, whatever's normally done. |
16:46 |
ascii_field |
one sometimes wishes to capture fast signals, e.g., pci bus. |
16:47 |
ascii_field |
in pursuit of sanity. |
16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtd4jESZD1r31l4no1_500.gif |
16:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ThucSX ) |
16:51 |
mod6 |
<+trinque> mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend << yup, this is true. and I haven't been able to try it out yet. i'm planning on trying out the steps that he deed'd tomorrow. the image is great, but the goal is to get to a working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way. so even if the image works, im not sure this is something to be used for anything else. he |
16:52 |
ascii_field |
mod6: ...working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way << i suspect that this is a nonstarter on account of the unavailability of sane hardware. see the thread where mircea_popescu installed gentoo and then threw it off a cliff |
16:53 |
trinque |
ascii_field: stageN -> genkernel -> grub2-install -> grub2-mkconfig ?? |
16:53 |
mod6 |
well, im afraid of that too. so what to do then? i hope I haven't just been wasting my time then. |
16:53 |
trinque |
works for me every time |
16:53 |
ascii_field |
what this means, in practice, is that a reasonable ( i won't say 'sane' because these do not exist presently ) computer system is not a machine, but a ~place~ - like a church organ |
16:53 |
ascii_field |
the man who built it, is also part of it |
16:53 |
ascii_field |
and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely |
16:53 |
ascii_field |
and compensated |
16:54 |
ascii_field |
but notice there is no how-to book, 'build church organ in 21 days' |
16:54 |
ascii_field |
perhaps particle accelerator is better analogy |
16:54 |
decimation |
ascii it is quite possible that oscopes with this kind of capability are considered itar controlled |
16:55 |
ascii_field |
decimation: the fuck'd i care, i'm in usa |
16:55 |
ascii_field |
ought to be able to buy |
16:55 |
mod6 |
i guess i didn't realize that gentoo =~ particle accelerator haha |
16:55 |
decimation |
yeah but generally if it is itar controlled, nobody makes except maybe for golden toilet price |
16:55 |
ascii_field |
mod6: not gentoo. gentoo+hardware+man |
16:55 |
ascii_field |
~system~ |
16:55 |
trinque |
ascii_field: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-06-11-20-17-45.txt |
16:55 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QTg0eL ) |
16:55 |
trinque |
that should at least clear the grub hurdle |
16:56 |
trinque |
can fine-tune from there |
16:56 |
trinque |
it wont reproduce my local set-up, but it sounds like the bar is merely "get a uclibc build env for bitcoind" |
16:57 |
mod6 |
my problem here, is ok, let's say that i get this far and then trinque generiously helps me get the rest of the way to it "working". but what about everyone else? |
16:57 |
decimation |
ascii_field: honestly if you want this product you are probably going to need to build yourself |
16:58 |
ascii_field |
decimation: here i sit, building approximately it myself. |
16:59 |
decimation |
ascii_field: what about these http://www.signatec.com/products/daq/high-speed-digitizer-pc-interfaces.html |
16:59 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QTgH7T ) |
16:59 |
ascii_field |
decimation: very tediously, and at great expense. |
16:59 |
ascii_field |
decimation: where's the 100% open spec ? |
17:00 |
decimation |
heh good luck on that |
17:00 |
trinque |
mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? |
17:00 |
mod6 |
so, anyway, i dunno. i guess that's just where I'm at. I'll keep working towards getting something going for myself. go from there I guess. |
17:01 |
ascii_field |
decimation: gotta love the 'full data sheet' without ANY programming info |
17:01 |
decimation |
apparently it does have linux drivers |
17:01 |
decimation |
probably binary blobs |
17:01 |
ascii_field |
useless then. |
17:02 |
decimation |
it does meet your other specs though |
17:02 |
decimation |
and 'only' $11k |
17:02 |
mod6 |
<+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that. you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I. |
17:02 |
ascii_field |
and i don't need the adc for anything |
17:02 |
mod6 |
i mean, we're basically trying to build our own linux here specifically for the R.I. |
17:02 |
trinque |
mod6: sounds like livecd plus a finished version of my script there |
17:03 |
mod6 |
ok. cool. I'll give it a try. |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
mod6: we ~did~ build own linux for the r.i. |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
this one's for human use |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
as i understand |
17:03 |
trinque |
thing is partitioning's a very personal decision |
17:03 |
decimation |
wait I thought you wanted adc |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
decimation: nope |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
decimation: logic capture |
17:03 |
mod6 |
well, we started with Deb6 + packages. |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
between known-low and known-high |
17:03 |
decimation |
so you only need 500 mhz '1-bit' samples? |
17:03 |
ascii_field |
aha |
17:04 |
decimation |
yeah do it yourself |
17:04 |
decimation |
this card I linked is probably the closest 'industry' has |
17:04 |
trinque |
mod6: if you use the disk image approach the livecd story becomes very simple |
17:04 |
trinque |
that thing's only purpose could be to dump you into a booted gentoo which you then follow instructions to configure |
17:04 |
trinque |
complete with various "oh you want to encrypt /home ?" and so on |
17:05 |
trinque |
livecd boots, starts bash script whose only purpose is to be told which drive to obliterate with a standard base image |
17:06 |
mod6 |
trinque: with the image, don't we run into issues with hardware other than x86_64? |
17:07 |
trinque |
you'd just make separate base images |
17:07 |
ascii_field |
mod6: the whole 'pc compatible platform' thing kinda fell apart |
17:07 |
ascii_field |
e.g., mircea_popescu's box flaked for no known reason |
17:08 |
decimation |
why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? |
17:08 |
trinque |
anyhow I've given my opinion on how this ought to be done. |
17:08 |
ascii_field |
decimation: because they are no longer readily available ? |
17:08 |
mod6 |
<+decimation> why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? << for the R.I. itself or gentoo? |
17:09 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
17:09 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
17:09 |
ascii_field |
mod6: you can set yours to x86, or sparc, or whatever |
17:09 |
decimation |
what isn't available? doesn't x86-64 also run 32 bit? |
17:09 |
ascii_field |
problem is that x86 is not a platform ! |
17:09 |
decimation |
no, not really |
17:10 |
ascii_field |
some other fell has different vga - no go |
17:10 |
ascii_field |
etc |
17:10 |
decimation |
it's true you would need a highly restricted hardware list |
17:10 |
mod6 |
are we talking about two different things here? let's leave the R.I. out of it for a minute. my assumption there is someone can indeed create a "buildroot" or w/e to then cross compile to whatever they want for the R.I. |
17:10 |
trinque |
none of this applies to booting the thing |
17:11 |
trinque |
if the livecd loads, if your own box doesn't, you fucked up. |
17:11 |
mod6 |
I'm just trying to figure out how to get some comprehensive steps so just about anyone who wants to can use our gentoo thingy. |
17:11 |
decimation |
mod6: I'm saying ditch gentoo, use buildroot |
17:11 |
decimation |
but ascii has a point, this wouldn't work if everyone does not have the same hardware |
17:11 |
mod6 |
isn't buildroot the thing that alf said must be used inside of gentoo? |
17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 well, he created it SOMEHOW. im not sure how far that preferred way goes, people get to drive a car their preferred way to ~some degree~. |
17:13 |
ascii_field |
mod6: it theoretically ought to work elsewhere. but it turned out that other linuxen ship with defective gcc. |
17:13 |
ascii_field |
buildroot works great when everyone has physically same computer. |
17:13 |
ascii_field |
e.g. pogo or nintendo etc |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
<ascii_field> and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely << if you want to get killed, splendid way to go about things. |
17:14 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: you mean, killed faster ? |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
killed faster more. |
17:14 |
ascii_field |
almost certainly |
17:15 |
ascii_field |
i'd love to teach a platoon of #b-a folks to do what i do, either/or to become less killworthy or (more practically) to be replaced more quickly when finally killed. |
17:15 |
ascii_field |
but this does not appear to be happening. |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, give it a decade |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not even 2115 yet. |
17:16 |
* |
ascii_field does not expect to live for decade |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the unmistakable mark of youth. |
17:16 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/ |
17:16 |
assbot |
Reddit Outrage Reveals Y Combinator Censorship Agenda | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTjQVp ) |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo url fix too |
17:17 |
BingoBoingo |
What url fix? |
17:17 |
* |
mircea_popescu gazes upon the cvasi=monotonic s.mpoe evolution past few weeks.... nuts. |
17:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Url and title can mismatch, get moar SEO gainz that way |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ok |
17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno abouit these newfangled seo whatchamacallits. |
17:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Neither do I. It's all fucking voodoo |
17:19 |
trinque |
I'm gonna have to finish my genbootstrap script before you guys accept gentoo can be installed, I can see. |
17:19 |
* |
trinque started in data centers derping out OSs to boxen |
17:19 |
jurov |
https://voat.co/v/fph/ is 404 |
17:20 |
jurov |
trinque: will it be capable to resolve boxen suddenly refusing to boot? |
17:20 |
trinque |
I refuse to accept that that's even a thing. |
17:20 |
trinque |
you don't keep backup kernels around? |
17:21 |
* |
trinque never throws away a "known good" anything once had |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
"Days earlier Imgur had begun purging images hosted on their site which had been linked to on /r/fatpeople hate." |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
whoi the fuck would use imgur then! |
17:21 |
decimation |
"What a system like Atomwise actually does can be pretty opaque to a general audience." |
17:21 |
jurov |
i do. but some people become enraged upon encountering grub> prompt |
17:21 |
danielpbarron |
"harassing a doxxing" should be *and ? << BingoBoingo |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
copypaste you seriously want to open yet another dig ? |
17:22 |
BingoBoingo |
danielpbarron: ty |
17:22 |
ascii_field |
decimation: it is 10x as funny to be because i actually worked in pharma, doing precisely what the sc4mz0rz are claiming to do |
17:23 |
trinque |
jurov: yeah and you had it earlier; you can easily load a kernel from that |
17:23 |
trinque |
config's only running commands against that |
17:23 |
ascii_field |
(it did not work especially well, and was not especially fun) |
17:23 |
decimation |
ascii_field: if people could actually protein fold their way to cures it would have been done already |
17:23 |
mod6 |
trinque and I tried to get my thing to work from grub> for hours one night, perhaps a few different times. if it was simple, we'd have resolved it. it's probably my dumb POS box. |
17:23 |
ascii_field |
decimation: what the more clever hucksters are doing is to search for 'undergrazed' scams |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? |
17:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QTkZfD ) |
17:24 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162023 <<< that's super common along the hume highway (takes you from Sydney to Melbourne) and you'll find dead roos, wombats, birds etc etc strew along a 1000km road |
17:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:01; fluffypony: nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;) |
17:24 |
fluffypony |
nice |
17:24 |
fluffypony |
goddamn roos |
17:24 |
ascii_field |
e.g., just about everyone at this point went to first grade and would spit on a claimed perpetuum mobile, but if you ask'em to invest in 'miraculous' protein fold solver - different matter |
17:25 |
ascii_field |
https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << normal gurl |
17:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QTleHl ) |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field she's slightly overweight. |
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17:25 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? << 8chan's non nick makes it hard to verify actual shitlords are posting |
17:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QTkZfD ) |
17:25 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, nice body but that face :\ |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla you and your faces. fuck the other end. |
17:26 |
trinque |
!b 3 |
17:26 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HBVFND.txt ) |
17:26 |
decimation |
ascii_field: but don't you know Big Pharma supresses us! |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, a turducken walks into the counsellor's office |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"doc, i dunno what to do... i feel like a chicken trapped in a turkey's body" |
17:26 |
trinque |
mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build |
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17:27 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, you do know you can fuck both ends yeah? |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation honestly, that particular mob reads a lot to me like the people claiming the "auto industry" is "supressing the water engine" trying to jump ship |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
as their original bs is very hard to sell in the current political climate. |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla well you can but you dun have to |
17:27 |
cazalla |
if you can, you must! |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
hehehe |
17:27 |
decimation |
agreed, since they can't explain what they actually do (see ascii's point), they gotta be all conspiratorial |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque moreover, the value of an "approved hardware list" should be obvious. |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i am all for this. |
17:28 |
trinque |
yep |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Do you hate slimfat people? I'm not visible fat if you see my with a shirt, but I'm out of shape when you see me without it, I have the hips of a woman. |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
(USER WAS BANNED FOR DENYING HIS FATNESS) |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
bwahahaha |
17:29 |
decimation |
trinque: one idea is the 'hp microserver' gen 7 |
17:30 |
decimation |
has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86 |
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17:30 |
trinque |
yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434091646578-0.jpg win. |
17:31 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QTm1rW ) |
17:31 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162626 << if i can see ribs -> not exciting. |
17:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 21:25:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_field she's slightly overweight. |
17:31 |
ascii_field |
but 'different folks, different strokes' |
17:31 |
trinque |
decimation: I like these tiny cuboid cases |
17:32 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162636 << where to get 'standard hardware' ? |
17:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 21:26:36; trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build |
17:32 |
ascii_field |
i know of no such thing |
17:32 |
trinque |
bah |
17:32 |
trinque |
trinque | yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either |
17:32 |
decimation |
trinque: they are quiet |
17:33 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162651 << false. 100% of amd boxes |
17:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 21:30:09; decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86 |
17:33 |
trinque |
ascii_field: it's obvious I'm saying that picking hardware which is known in advance to boot gentoo |
17:33 |
trinque |
*might be beneficial |
17:34 |
trinque |
if you want a machine that does exactly and only and none other than what's in some specification, lol |
17:34 |
* |
trinque goes to find a plow |
17:34 |
ascii_field |
http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm << i've been using these for various x86y things |
17:34 |
assbot |
PC Engines apu system boards ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL2POd ) |
17:34 |
ascii_field |
entirely linuxable |
17:34 |
ascii_field |
(incl. bios) |
17:35 |
ascii_field |
doesn't even come with a 'civilian' bios |
17:35 |
ascii_field |
but - it has no vga. |
17:35 |
ascii_field |
nor is there any obvious means to add one |
17:35 |
trinque |
not so bad to be headless |
17:35 |
ascii_field |
(i tried the mpcie slots with various vga cards. no go.) |
17:36 |
ascii_field |
you can tunnel x11 out of it if you insist. |
17:36 |
ascii_field |
(most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.) |
17:36 |
trinque |
heh combine this guy with the terminal I think decimation picked up |
17:37 |
decimation |
yeah absolutely |
17:37 |
decimation |
or use another computer for terminal |
17:37 |
ascii_field |
has 3 x 1G ethernet. can tunnel x11 out of it with no palpable delay |
17:38 |
ascii_field |
(this is another reason why the shitgnomatic 'replacements' for x11 are nonsensical. if i can't get EXACT same experience through a net connection to the machine without idiocies like 'sharing desktop', the gui is WORHTLESS) |
17:38 |
trinque |
$127 or $150 for 4gb ram |
17:38 |
jurov |
will it blend...er.. run eulora? |
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17:39 |
trinque |
doubtful |
17:39 |
decimation |
heh |
17:39 |
ascii_field |
jurov: probably not. no 3d card |
17:39 |
ascii_field |
srsly |
17:39 |
decimation |
good luck getting winblow to boot |
17:39 |
trinque |
but what's the goal |
17:39 |
trinque |
I see this as a box with which to connect to the wotnet, things like that |
17:39 |
mats |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMgGzgE2R_U |
17:39 |
assbot |
Green Day - Dominated Love Slave + lyrics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3gYK ) |
17:39 |
trinque |
your bitchin gaming pc goes behind it |
17:39 |
trinque |
!up ascii_field |
17:39 |
ascii_field |
decimation: laugh, but winblows boots on'em! |
17:39 |
ascii_field |
finds the onboard vga (with no output) even. |
17:40 |
ascii_field |
('corebios' aka linuxbios ships with a simple dos-compat. layer that will boot winblows if you must) |
17:41 |
ascii_field |
in as far as x86-64 goes, these boards are surprisingly good. |
17:41 |
decimation |
heh amusing |
17:41 |
ascii_field |
(that is, nothing obviously and profanely turdalicious on them) |
17:42 |
ascii_field |
even brings the spi eeprom where bios is out to pin headers, for ease of reflashing/readback |
17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
all these social media derps saying "privilege" like it's a bad thing ?! |
17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf is with this bullshit. the only thing better than being privileged is being hm |
17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
there's nothing better than beingpriviledged. |
17:42 |
decimation |
ascii_field: can you boot from eeprom? |
17:42 |
mats |
fun fact (unapproved by the FCC): the VGA is a decent TX-only SDR. |
17:42 |
ascii_field |
decimation: all of mine, do |
17:43 |
ascii_field |
you can stuff generic kernel in there |
17:43 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: means "not fair, give me your shit" |
17:43 |
decimation |
mats: it would be noisy as hell |
17:43 |
trinque |
to them |
17:43 |
ascii_field |
mats: ancient history. music over vga |
17:43 |
* |
mircea_popescu shrugs. |
17:44 |
decimation |
wow even can order metal case |
17:45 |
ascii_field |
mats: http://bellard.org/dvbt << can even transmit digital tv ! |
17:45 |
assbot |
Analog and Digital TV (DVB-T) Signal Generation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3I9u ) |
17:45 |
ascii_field |
with normal vga card. |
17:45 |
ascii_field |
http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic one |
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17:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3JtY ) |
17:45 |
mats |
i've not seen that before |
17:45 |
ascii_field |
^ plays music |
17:46 |
trinque |
http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great |
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17:46 |
assbot |
PC Engines case1c2u product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3S0x ) |
17:46 |
ascii_field |
aha, i have this. |
17:46 |
ascii_field |
rock-solid box |
17:47 |
decimation |
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2935554/it-careers/labor-dept-plans-h-1b-probe-one-that-could-have-an-impact.html |
17:47 |
assbot |
Labor Dept. plans H-1B probe -- one that could have an impact | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTosuE ) |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162688 << it gets better. i have reports of an assortment of cards, including uber popular stuff like nvidia 520 series, getting 2-3 fps on eulora. |
17:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 21:38:55; jurov: will it blend...er.. run eulora? |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
with multiple versions of newest drivers etc. |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
for reasons ???? nobody fucking knows. |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
opengl something or other, for sure. |
17:47 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: i can tell you now, why |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
do |
17:48 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: microshit discourages functional opengl in gpu drivers |
17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
17:48 |
ascii_field |
(they wish to have their 'directx' turd in universal, mandatory use) |
17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
problem exists on fucking ubuntu apparently. |
17:48 |
ascii_field |
so it pulls on the ropes. |
17:48 |
ascii_field |
problem exists at the two remaining gpu makers. |
17:48 |
ascii_field |
each is a proud servant of microshit. |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno man, i get 60 fps constant on that thing. |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
also nvidia card |
17:49 |
ascii_field |
any common factors between the unhappy cards ? |
17:49 |
decimation |
*nvidia recommends winblows for optimal experience |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation |
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17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field not that i could discern so far. |
17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
but next s.mg report is going to contain list of functional gpus. |
17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
which is exactly in line of what trinque was saying |
17:51 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162751 << that is precisely what you're experiencing, but the source is not public. |
17:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 21:49:40; mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
opengl is public. |
17:51 |
ascii_field |
the back end. |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
17:51 |
ascii_field |
where it turns into actual gpu instructions |
17:51 |
ascii_field |
is not public. |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly. |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't give a shit about that |
17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
im not here to fix anything |
17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i am here to burn things |
17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
stirctly, strictly that. i don't aim to run a university, i aim to run a decimation service. |
17:52 |
ascii_field |
burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~) |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
for now i want the camel. |
17:53 |
ascii_field |
which camel? the one who walks through the eye of a needle ? |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation |
17:53 |
ascii_field |
ah |
17:54 |
decimation |
reverse engineer driver |
17:55 |
ascii_field |
decimation: that gets you ~one particular chip~ |
17:55 |
ascii_field |
see also the fpga threads. |
17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
so far i'm waiting for someone with experience to go "oh! well of course!" |
17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"it alwas looks like this when X" |
17:57 |
decimation |
the probability that someone derps with ubuntu AND can find root causes of closed driver failures strikes me as low |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
it happens across the board, not just ubuntu |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i just said it happened on ubuntu to dispel the theory it'd be windows specific, it's not |
18:02 |
ascii_field |
does the thing use shader / |
18:02 |
ascii_field |
? |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
yea |
18:03 |
ascii_field |
likely culprit |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes prolly the shader's involved because clipping and flicking |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah |
18:04 |
punkman |
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/naacp-leader-rachel-dolezal-lied-black-parents-article-1.2255743 |
18:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1QTqP0s ) |
18:06 |
decimation |
lol |
18:08 |
trinque |
govt owes her state-funded skin pigment reassignment |
18:08 |
trinque |
usistan, glorious empire of delusional narcissism |
18:08 |
shinohai |
is there anyone here that is a btc .conf wiz ? |
18:09 |
mats |
ask your question, don't ask to ask |
18:11 |
shinohai |
blocking nodes is inefficient, yes? |
18:15 |
trinque |
INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER |
18:16 |
shinohai |
my apologies, I am researching as well |
18:16 |
trinque |
http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html |
18:16 |
assbot |
The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTspj0 ) |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai inefficient for what purpose ? |
18:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3500 @ 0.00111 = 3.885 BTC |
18:17 |
danielpbarron |
shinohai, see: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136 |
18:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans. |
18:17 |
shinohai |
suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default |
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18:18 |
shinohai |
thiswould be better when i arrive home, irc on phone is terrible |
18:18 |
* |
trinque wonders if pf could accomplish that |
18:19 |
trinque |
shinohai: sounds like a patch to bitcoind |
18:20 |
shinohai |
there are only a few hundred ip's if that |
18:21 |
shinohai |
well, 123 http://xtnodes.com/ |
18:21 |
assbot |
XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLX7ee ) |
18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai nothing prevents you from ignoring any node. this is how people deal with hooligans, it's been a thing since forever. |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i see no problem with simply nullrouting all "xt nodes", and for that matter the general practice is to block any node that advertises a version different from your own. |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
seeing how what version you run is a political choice more than a technological one, accepting dissent is -ev for your own affairs. |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it is, after all, a consensus mechanism, not a fucking science journal. |
18:28 |
shinohai |
I'm good then. its running so meh |
18:28 |
trinque |
ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses |
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18:45 |
scoopbot_revived |
Eulora second event - Sunday, June 14th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-second-event-sunday-june-14th/ |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
19:01 |
jurov |
only bandar toolkit is something that i can both make and have sense to have blessed |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
wellthen. |
19:05 |
danielpbarron |
i must be close to being able to make something useful. I've been scoring claims that yeild 100+ items |
19:05 |
jurov |
danielpbarron: today? |
19:07 |
danielpbarron |
yeah, last night and today |
19:07 |
jurov |
yest everything i found was tiny |
19:07 |
danielpbarron |
well.. "last night" .. "very very early this morning" |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Bob32442 |
19:08 |
danielpbarron |
the learning curv is very steep with eulora, to the point where it's a chore to get going with it. But once I had a few things figured out it is now becoming addictive |
19:13 |
jurov |
danielpbarron: could say sooner the claims are there. i just logged in today and let it be. |
19:14 |
jurov |
at least figured out cs supports python scripting |
19:14 |
Bob32442 |
hmm, I don't get the cap, why is it that it can't be removed? |
19:14 |
jurov |
Bob32442: what cap? blocksize? |
19:14 |
jurov |
go read trilema |
19:14 |
Bob32442 |
yeah |
19:16 |
Bob32442 |
so... wait, then why does anyone use bitcoin if they think that's going to happen? |
19:17 |
Bob32442 |
Maybe I should read the rest of it lol |
19:23 |
Bob32442 |
ah |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron information-wise steep ? |
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19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"anyone" is a particularly inept model. it presumes the world composed of imbecile 20somethings like one finds on reddit. |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
this is pointedly untrue. |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
people who use money are fundamentally different than the sort of bovines sturggling with us college education. |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
who, notably, do not use money either. or yachts. etc. |
19:41 |
mike_c |
jurov: have you been able to write a python script that'll do something in the game? |
19:42 |
jurov |
lol far from that |
19:42 |
mike_c |
ah |
19:42 |
jurov |
just found scripting support in cs and after some diddling, compiled and ran tutorial app |
19:43 |
jurov |
seems that feature was left to rot |
19:43 |
mike_c |
so the plan would be to modify client in someway that would then support python scripting |
19:43 |
mike_c |
if interest held |
19:44 |
trinque |
http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html |
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19:44 |
assbot |
Phys.Org Mobile: Chinese hackers got sensitive military files: report ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLdqbV ) |
19:44 |
jurov |
yes, if ~ then i'll do the irc stuff in py, too. but then have to bundle python in win32 package, too |
19:45 |
trinque |
doesn't seem like they're amused by the "pivot" |
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20:09 |
cazalla |
oh boy this article is gonna be a good one |
20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c it should be possible tho. |
20:12 |
mike_c |
yeah, i'll have to take another crack at compiling this thing |
20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, fwiw, the thinking minigame side is that if there's three or four independently maintained clients which each does its own thing that's perfect. |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
minigame will always release a "reference client", but i'd frankly love for people to make their own. |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla which one ? :D |
20:25 |
cazalla |
publishing it soon, just adding links |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
cool |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled' |
20:30 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html |
20:31 |
trinque |
heh no kidding |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162802 << my understanding is that hearn is more clever than gavin, laid his traps such that they all spring at once when he pulls the switch (and emulates something like proper bitcoin until then) |
20:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 22:17:19; shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default |
20:32 |
cazalla |
do ur thang scoopbot |
20:32 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: the github repo says "this is so totally not about blocksize" |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162814 << be aware, the thing isn't some paragon of good hygiene. (the nic, like all modern nics, has some hidden cpu; etc) but is the cleanest x86 i know of to still be in production |
20:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 22:28:57; trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses |
20:33 |
trinque |
the reddit post referencing hearn said "we could increase blocksize on xt in a week" 3 days gago |
20:33 |
trinque |
*ago |
20:33 |
scoopbot_revived |
U.S. Treasury: Bitcoin Used In Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing http://qntra.net/2015/06/u-s-treasury-bitcoin-used-in-money-laundering-terrorist-financing/ |
20:34 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: your and other material has long since disabused me of the idea that I'll own a computer any time soon |
20:37 |
asciilifeform |
re: t3rr0r1sm!!111!!!1: for all the loud usg idiocy, the head-choppers have yet to chop a head, on camera, on top of a carpet with their gpg fingeprint embroidered on it |
20:37 |
asciilifeform |
so anyone who thinks he is writing them a letter, is writing to ft meade |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
ditto for anyone who is reading 'their' communiques. |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
i somehow fail to grasp why this is so. did the prophet forbid the multiplication of large primes ? |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
but not, e.g., kalashnikov ? |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ayup, they are very singlemindedly following their talking pointsa. |
20:39 |
asciilifeform |
ditto for the idiots sending 'them' bitcoin |
20:40 |
asciilifeform |
usg is laughing all the way to, well, their wallet. |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes hearn is a better political animal than gavin, but not more intelligent |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
just, one admits to himself he's filth, the other does not. |
20:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i haven't a clue whether hearn is the actual author of the hearnias in question, or not. only that the particular boobytrap which he misrepresents as 'bitcoin' is a more subtle one. |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
hypocrisy is always lower functioning. |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
it blew me away that hearn openly expressed an interest in 'remote attestation' on the air. |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform apparently the prophet is said to have forbidden, by some twerps |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
it's a leper's bell, loud and clear |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
recall the case of the british terrorist who used caesar cypher because "excel smarter than anything the gyauri could have invented" ? |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
i read it as a mix of stupidity and desperation |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
(where is he supposed to get non-usg crypto that he can understand ?) |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
it's all stupidity. |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
it is meaningless to speak of a revolutionary's desperation. |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
if he were not desperate ~of the world~ he would be pursuing a career. |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
what i also don't get is, didn't any of these folks, in three generations of service to brit and then sov. empire, learn vernam ? |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
if his desperation of the world meant what it usually means, he'd be long gone. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
that he's here makes the word meaningless |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
dude, i had to be the first one to show the concept of a map to random cairo cab driver. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
what, you think women pop out smart people now or something ? what is this, the spherical future ? |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
cabbie isn't usually same as 50 y.o. ex-signals corps fella |
20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
orly ? |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
(no lack of the latter working as the former, sure) |
20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
the reason "export controls" work is that idiots perceive themselves as ~equal to everyone else. |
20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
so they don't miss what they don't have. |
20:47 |
asciilifeform |
but this is easily broken by some helpful fella giving then a bit of what they lack. |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it is not. |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
because idiot's main concern is whether this makes the other guy better than him |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
AS IF this can be in debate. |
20:47 |
asciilifeform |
and, incidentally, sov. engineers had no trouble 'missing what they don't have' and went to great lengths to get it |
20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
they knew themselves to be idiots. |
20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
arabs do not. |
20:48 |
asciilifeform |
sometimes via multi-$mil elaborate s4mz0r1ngs |
20:48 |
asciilifeform |
(see the japanese cnc mill case) |
20:49 |
asciilifeform |
or the hilariously complicated network of shill corps through which ussr purchased dec pdp and vax |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
was that ever published ? |
20:49 |
asciilifeform |
in english? no idea |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
in drawings lol |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
names are names |
20:50 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << from horse's mouth. scan of ancient usg memo detailing 'omg111!!!111! they stole it all' |
20:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FZwAn6 ) |
20:51 |
asciilifeform |
take, obviously, with a grain of liquid shit |
20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
mmyeah |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
the whole 'keep those orcs from getting modern tech' thing was intensely counter-economic from standpoint of u.s. chip makers, as ussr was prepared to pay with gold, plutonium, virgins, 100x the going rate |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
and the merchants, unsurprisingly, wanted to sell. |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
(american industrial folk knew that orcs would copy, but also knew that the copies would not appear on american market. so it was not an issue of patent rights) |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
but not for very many |
20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
in any shape or form the deal would have been a tech transfer, not an item sale. |
20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
and the soviets were NOT prepared to pay with slaves. |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
anything but that. the chinese paid with slaves later on, and it took. |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
even if the payment was, like all payments, false. |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: jp got paid in, iirc, gold. |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
ditto u.s. grain |
21:09 |
asciilifeform |
p. 6 of the report is hilariously mistaken. ussr produced perfectly adequate hdd for the period. we had one: http://www.retro-pc.net/musei/dd/hdd/index_ru.htm (scroll to middle past the japanese unit) |
21:10 |
asciilifeform |
(how much of the -inside- was made overseas, i do not know) |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
the 760mb 'micropolis' featured in this www is actually in my kitchen now. |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
it is in the symbolics 3620 lisp machine, and works still. |
21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euergetism << check it out, poorly translated french shannonizer content, trying to misrepresent classical antiquity more in line with the modern idiocies. |
21:12 |
assbot |
Euergetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzdWc ) |
21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
what was the name of that derpy french knownothing the english world went all gaga over earlier this year ? |
21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
derpyterpy something, four syllables ending in y ? |
21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
piketty ty. |
21:13 |
* |
asciilifeform missed this |
21:17 |
asciilifeform |
!up referredbyloper |
21:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=622 << yours ? |
21:17 |
assbot |
OLD-COMPUTERS.COM musem ~ IPTVT (Traian Vuia Polytechnical Institute) MicroTim ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzJ6l ) |
21:17 |
asciilifeform |
mentioned in the cia thing (p. 43) |
21:17 |
asciilifeform |
under brand 'amic' |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
- TIM-S: 6 Mhz mode, 80 KB RAM, 16 KB ROM < |
21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
and amic iirc was not actually a z80 |
21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it also sucked. |
21:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.homecomputer.de/images/wanted/easteurope/aMIC.jpg << it ? |
21:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BciWBg ) |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
well minus the monitor and deck tape, which are random items |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/easteurope_ro.html#amic < there |
21:21 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Bcj8jS ) |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
the profusion of absolutely abysmal keyboards in '80s sovblok micros always bewildered me. any country that knows how to make ballpoint pens could have copied ibm's keyboard |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
(the necessary only metallic part is the springs, quite identical to those found in pen) |
21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
the tim-s had a decent, steel spring actioned keyboard |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
not obvious from the photo |
21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
they briefly used a "sealed flexible plastic sensor" bs, but got out of it within a year or so |
21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the hc had a very retarded arrangement, where the straight rather than /-\ shaped keys caught, and so on. |
21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
but the tim-s was decent, about on par with today's no name chinese kbd |
21:27 |
asciilifeform |
today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet) |
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21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
(significantly harder, ofcourse, but at the time most everyone was used to manual typewriters, which is maybe 10x the force anyone born after 1980 types with) |
21:27 |
* |
mircea_popescu takes out a key, looks at the spring, puts it back in |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
interestingly, mechanical 'underwood'-style typewriters are beloved by american 'hipster writer' types. they are easy enough to find in junk stores |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
there is a kind of cargo cult appeal to the things |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
they prolly come in discount packages with leika film cams |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
for hipster couples. |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
they could pretend it's grenwich village 1963 |
21:29 |
asciilifeform |
what keyboard mircea_popescu has, 'unicomp' ? i know of no other that has springs but can still be described as 'disposable' |
21:29 |
mircea_popescu |
she could be an anais nin of photography and he could be an henry miller of poetry |
21:29 |
asciilifeform |
(fella i know just threw just such a keyboard out, after getting a proper 'm') |
21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
nfi. |
21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
it |
21:30 |
asciilifeform |
https://rakanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/unicomp.jpg |
21:30 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FZByjL ) |
21:30 |
asciilifeform |
^ they make cheap copies using classical ibm drawings |
21:31 |
asciilifeform |
lasts a few yrs. |
21:31 |
asciilifeform |
iirc it omits the steel 'anvil' found in the genuine 'm' |
21:31 |
trinque |
complete with speedometer |
21:31 |
asciilifeform |
so the pcb eventually augers in, cracks |
21:33 |
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asciilifeform likes his 'ibm m' and 'northgate' kbds but would eventually like something that doesn't throw rf around for fifty metres |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
culprit, incidentally, is the scanned switching matrix, present in -all- pc keyboards. |
21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/microtim.jpg << there |
21:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FZC4yf ) |
21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cip3.jpg << and that's the 90s version. by then only the poor kids were still dicking around with z80s tho |
21:35 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCaGc ) |
21:35 |
* |
asciilifeform almost asked where the 'lat' key is, but then hit self on head |
21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jet2.jpg << also, repurposed phone chassis |
21:37 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCpRA ) |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
would've been classy if they'd left the cradle in, to use as accoustic modem |
21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1352440858_screen.png << this one's for mike_c |
21:38 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCxRa ) |
21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"Mai erau CIP-urile, pe care incarcai interpretorul BASIC de pe caseta, era nasol ca resetai si iti lua timp si incarcarea lui. In plus ii sareau tastele in permanenta, si pierdeai si arculetele de pix din ele, se rupeau piciorusele de plastic, era aiurea." |
21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"it sucked because their keys kept jumping off and you'd lose the dumbass ballpointpen springs " |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
21:43 |
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asciilifeform an hour or so ago was reassembling 'model m', dried from wash, and noticed the very fine detail on the keys which prevents popping. good injection molding tech is needed to have these. |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/slaktarnp90/media/IBM%20model%20M%20och%20N2/Tangentersidan.jpg.html |
21:44 |
assbot |
Från Sidan Photo by slaktarnp90 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1BclZtg ) |
21:48 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu: that one isn't ringing a bell, but it looks fun :) |
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22:14 |
danielpbarron |
!up ben-of-the-casca |
22:14 |
ben-of-the-casca |
ty! |
22:14 |
ben-of-the-casca |
re eulora, dpb, ive found rocks and scratches mostly by looking for things further away than the bushes are rendering |
22:15 |
ben-of-the-casca |
looking forward to being able to /explore tho |
22:15 |
danielpbarron |
i can sell you a stack of the item that gives you it :D |
22:16 |
ben-of-the-casca |
how much and how many? |
22:16 |
danielpbarron |
23 for 0.01 ? |
22:16 |
mod6 |
wat |
22:17 |
ben-of-the-casca |
let me get further bored by looking for the last item |
22:17 |
ben-of-the-casca |
unless mod6 just derps it over to me |
22:18 |
mod6 |
waddya need? |
22:18 |
danielpbarron |
1 of them isn't much; you don't get good results until it's mostly maxed out |
22:19 |
ben-of-the-casca |
not the rock, not the scratchings but that other thing |
22:19 |
ben-of-the-casca |
dpb aha |
22:19 |
danielpbarron |
for me it was the rock that i found last |
22:19 |
danielpbarron |
and someone had to lead me to it |
22:19 |
mod6 |
oh those rocks |
22:19 |
ben-of-the-casca |
the renderings so fucked in my machine |
22:20 |
mod6 |
i can give you one, i've only got 3. |
22:20 |
ben-of-the-casca |
i can see markers and items - but theyre just black |
22:20 |
danielpbarron |
my laptop overheats and the game goes at 3 fps but that doesn't really effect game play yet |
22:20 |
danielpbarron |
that's just if it's night time |
22:20 |
ben-of-the-casca |
OH |
22:20 |
ben-of-the-casca |
well then |
22:20 |
mod6 |
dang |
22:21 |
mod6 |
im getting 15-16 fps on my core i5 internal graphics card. |
22:21 |
mod6 |
im the only guy in eulora right now |
22:22 |
mod6 |
everyone else is at the club, making it rain |
22:23 |
mod6 |
now if this kernel would just hurry up... |
22:27 |
decimation |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html < sucks for usg employees |
22:27 |
assbot |
Chinese hack compromised security-clearance database - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia1Kd0 ) |
22:28 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162834 << yeah, all the different mechanics were a bit overwhelming at first. Starting to coalesce in my mind |
22:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron information-wise steep ? |
22:29 |
danielpbarron |
i haven't played a game that's like this in a long while |
22:30 |
danielpbarron |
it's annoying now, having to click so many times to do stuff, but I understand why each step is separate |
22:30 |
danielpbarron |
in the future, someone can specialize each step of production |
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22:31 |
danielpbarron |
and I upvote the named keys idea |
22:32 |
danielpbarron |
is it possible to make the inventory interface more like that of minecraft? |
22:33 |
danielpbarron |
for example, when clicking a stack of items > 1, it should just pick up the whole thing by default |
22:34 |
danielpbarron |
and then you can have left-click right-click and shift-click drop varying amounts |
22:42 |
decimation |
usg's breach is significant - they lose personal information on people whom usg asks to keep secrets |
22:47 |
cazalla |
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/australian-houses-are-just-glorified-tents-in-winter-20150610-ghj2ox TLDR more people die from cold in australian due to shitty homes than the hot summers we're known for |
22:47 |
assbot |
Australian houses are just glorified tents in winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia3936 ) |
22:48 |
decimation |
cazalla: I thought only the us built shit homes |
22:49 |
cazalla |
decimation, at least the shit homes are somewhat cheaper there.. here you pay a cool million for place with no front/back yard made of straw |
22:49 |
decimation |
heh |
22:50 |
decimation |
where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials? |
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22:51 |
cazalla |
low interest rates, deposits are given to kids from boomers, chinese investment and truckloads of negative gearing ensuring people have 4-5 investment properties |
22:53 |
decimation |
people have to have income to qualify for loans |
22:53 |
decimation |
does everyone get paid $200k? |
22:55 |
cazalla |
nah you don't need 200k salary, you can borrow a million on like 50k |
22:56 |
decimation |
heh |
22:56 |
decimation |
they've clamped down on lending in the us |
22:56 |
decimation |
you can't get a loan unless you have %20 and good credit |
22:57 |
decimation |
at least, not a good interest rate |
22:58 |
cazalla |
quick look then shows working couple who earn 50k each can borrow almost 700k |
22:58 |
cazalla |
over 30 years |
22:59 |
decimation |
wouldn't such a couple then be poor if they took such a 'deal'? |
22:59 |
decimation |
debt-slaves? |
22:59 |
cazalla |
mind you, that is pre-tax salary |
23:00 |
cazalla |
decimation, yeah most people are slaves.. 30 years ago it was possible for the average sole income working father, stay at home mum to buy a 1/4 acre block in the suburbs and raise 2-3 kids |
23:01 |
cazalla |
today you need both parents working full time with no kids or if you have kids, 1 or 2 at most put into childcare so the mother can pay half her wage for someone else to look after her kids while her other half goes on the mortgage |
23:01 |
decimation |
yeah that's how it is in most of the us today too |
23:02 |
decimation |
there's no fixed supply of dollars, so more people working just means more cost |
23:02 |
cazalla |
i don't even know why they do it tbh |
23:02 |
decimation |
well, now everyone is screwed |
23:02 |
decimation |
in the us the effect is worsened by the fact that near most major us cities you need to have dual incomes to 'earn' a spot in a decent school |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161917 << not bad btw |
23:03 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-06-2015 14:48:00; danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163037 << ayup |
23:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-06-2015 02:30:18; danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production |
23:05 |
cazalla |
decimation, here it is almost like every generation has to work twice as much for half of what their parents had |
23:05 |
decimation |
cazalla: I guess the most rational response would be to coordinate groups of people to move away from the dense cities and start new living areas |
23:05 |
danielpbarron |
speaking of which, is the leaky treebark flask design supposed to be blank? |
23:05 |
cazalla |
decimation, ah but there is no work in rural australia and if you are on welfare and move from an area of high employment to one of high unemployment, you get cut off |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163048 << the chinese |
23:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-06-2015 02:50:34; decimation: where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials? |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
they have literally infinite USD |
23:06 |
cazalla |
decimation, so to go rural, you need enough money to own it upfront and enough to last you for however long you may live |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron nope. it's supposed to have been fixed like three revisions ago o.O |
23:07 |
cazalla |
decimation, and rural.. as in the middle of nowhere, you are still paying more (100k-200k) than american suburbs |
23:07 |
decimation |
cazalla: yeah I guess my point is that they could start a new city there |
23:07 |
decimation |
but it sounds like that's already been priced out |
23:07 |
decimation |
why some wasteland in australia is worth $100k... |
23:08 |
decimation |
even good farmland in iowa goes for $5k an acre |
23:08 |
cazalla |
you can go cheaper - abandoned mining towns - but then you have to deal with fucked up water and environment |
23:08 |
cazalla |
might set you back 50k for that |
23:09 |
decimation |
yeah I agree with mircea, it sounds to me that the chinese have bid australia to the moon |
23:10 |
cazalla |
yeah, they can buy citizenship here too for 5 million so those clever chinese were giving the AU gov 5 million, borrowing the 5 million back from some chinese lender and then using that to buy 5 million in property once they got here |
23:11 |
cazalla |
i'd like to think it will end soon as i don't see how people can be squeezed any further at this point but asciilifeform reminded me that there is still much fat left to be trimmed |
23:13 |
cazalla |
fwiw, missus and i have no rent or mortgage and it is still hard |
23:13 |
cazalla |
so i imagine those people with mortgages will soon eat chum (dog food) if they are not already |
23:15 |
decimation |
yeah if they aren't already |
23:15 |
cazalla |
i mean, kid my age who lived on my street regularly ate his cat's cat food |
23:18 |
mod6 |
omg and we have grub that works... |
23:19 |
decimation |
you can live on rice and beans pretty cheap |
23:19 |
mod6 |
trinque's script & help got this pos up and running on gentoo hardened w/uclibc finally. |
23:20 |
mod6 |
i had a problem with my disk paritions |
23:20 |
cazalla |
decimation, aussies like their meat, pet food or not |
23:20 |
* |
mod6 straps on a napkin and eats a sack of dead crows |
23:20 |
decimation |
better start hunting 'roos |
23:20 |
decimation |
or dingos :) |
23:23 |
cazalla |
birds might be easier tbh plus the abo word for budgerigar is good eating |
23:23 |
cazalla |
with no guns, having to spear or tackle a roo could get you killed, fucking things kick |
23:24 |
decimation |
heh oh yeah I forgot they took yer guns too |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
no guns in australia ? lmao |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
twerps, seriously. |
23:26 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: how do you think they will be described by chinese historians 1000 years from now? |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"aboriginals" |
23:26 |
decimation |
lolz |
23:26 |
cazalla |
yeah, bow and arrow ban in the pipeline too |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
same thing we called the papuans or w/e |
23:32 |
cazalla |
meh, they aren't really any abos left anyway, they are all half bloods at best |
23:33 |
decimation |
no, I think mircea meant the people who are willing to trade hard assets to the chinese in exchange for paper and promises |
23:33 |
cazalla |
but even if you're 1/8 abo, you can claim extra assistance from the government, so according to the census there are more abos than ever before |
23:34 |
cazalla |
yeah stupid thing that |
23:34 |
decimation |
the natives have the same racket here, and also in canada |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << empty hopper, will refill tomorrow. anyone who wants to get phuctored in short order, plz now. |
23:38 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: interesting the 'me.com' and 'mac.com' |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, ~500MB product. |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
(decimal, if feeling nitpicky) |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated: |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ? |
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23:40 |
asciilifeform |
^ apparently 'ibm model m' was itself a cheapening of a previous ancestral tech |
23:40 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: you ever heard of a 'model f' |
23:41 |
decimation |
aha it talks about them |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: got one |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: but not a modernized controller for it |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
(the one it shipped with did not emit 'break' codes) |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
the linked www is about an earlier-still keyboard, which used capacitance-based switches |
23:41 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: this guy sells controllers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-IBM-4704-Banking-System-Keyboard-TESTED-107-Key-Model-F-6020218-/281689692136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41960397e8 |
23:41 |
assbot |
Original IBM 4704 Banking System Keyboard Tested 107 Key Model F 6020218 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lly7 ) |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
theoretically - eternal |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
and (this is not stated, but i hypothesize) rf-quiet |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i don't want a usb controller... |
23:42 |
decimation |
heh I suspected no |
23:45 |
decimation |
still you could use his mod as a starting point |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
ars longa vita brevis (tm) (r) |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Beam_spring << more |
23:46 |
assbot |
Beam spring - Deskthority wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lPUU ) |
23:46 |
decimation |
at any rate I like that keyboard for sale, lots of reassignable keys |
23:46 |
decimation |
also model f keyboards were full "nkro" |
23:47 |
decimation |
that might affect rf quietness |
23:47 |
* |
asciilifeform never had problems with rollover |
23:47 |
decimation |
yeah it really only matters for gamers who wann mash 5 keys at once |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Huge-IBM-5251-Mechanical-Beam-Spring-Keyboard-CLICKY-Display-Terminal-UK-/151686841869 << exists also on ebay. looks quite like the older of my two lispm keyboards (which did not click) |
23:48 |
assbot |
Vintage Huge IBM 5251 Mechanical Beam Spring Keyboard Clicky Display Terminal UK | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcBvp8 ) |
23:49 |
decimation |
heh. I wonder if that's a serial output |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
all keyboards have 'serial' output, one way or another |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
but afaik none spoke traditional rs232. would've involved too much active logic. |
23:51 |
decimation |
yeah |
23:51 |
decimation |
the 'model f' I linked appears to have 'meta' key |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png << typical keyboard of the period. reversed (laboriously) by yours truly. |
23:55 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BcCBkw ) |
23:56 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: did you get it to work as 'ps/2'? |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: no, but some german fella got it as usb. |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
based on this sketch |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
i had it as a parallel port widget for a while. |
23:57 |
decimation |
heh |
23:57 |
decimation |
has 'meta, super' keys? |