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00:00 asciilifeform ben_vulpes still awake ?
00:06 mats lol
00:07 * asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's shockwave sensor gadget (see old thread) has a dial mark for 'nuke'
00:07 mats http://jelmertiete.com/2015/06/30/Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650
00:07 assbot Difference between CC2630 and CC2650 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3wC8e )
00:08 decimation asciilifeform: what strikes me as stupid about the 'dirty bomb' idea is that background radiation naturally varies
00:08 asciilifeform mats: absolute sop. this practice dates back to at least the '486 sx'
00:08 decimation plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground
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00:09 asciilifeform decimation: sorta like the notion that lead smelter in your back yard is no problem, because lead is found in the earth anyway
00:11 asciilifeform anyway the traditional narrative re: 'dirty bombz' is that the builder would use short-lived, highly-energetic isotopes, of the kind shipped out to specially-designated junkyards by the tonne from your local biotech zone
00:12 decimation actually molten lead is pretty harmless
00:12 decimation it's lead ingestion that's th eproblem
00:13 decimation asciilifeform: like cesium for radiation therapy
00:13 asciilifeform when i was a student at 'nih', the story went that 'there was no serious bureaucracy surrounding lab waste until the p32-in-the-water-cooler incident'
00:15 asciilifeform mats: at this point it is rare for a commercial ic ~not~ to have functionality antifused out depending on product 'grade'
00:15 decimation yeah it's just too expensive to make lots of masks
00:15 mats right
00:16 asciilifeform to tie the two subjects together, it is very difficult for the amateur ic decapping enthusiast to buy hno3.
00:16 asciilifeform (in usa)
00:17 decimation you can make it yourself I think
00:18 decimation if you are nuts
00:18 asciilifeform you can make whatever.
00:18 asciilifeform just takes time.
00:19 * asciilifeform wonders about laser decapping
00:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00049705 = 26.9898 BTC [-]
00:20 asciilifeform speaking of experiments for the brave, it turns out that you can indeed cut thin steel with a 40w co2 laser if you connect an o2 tank, rather than the usual compressor, to the head nozzle
00:21 * asciilifeform has not personally attempted this
00:23 decimation lol
00:23 decimation so the idea is that it oxidizes as it cuts?
00:23 asciilifeform aha
00:24 asciilifeform main problem, as i understand, is reflectivity of the metal
00:24 asciilifeform that, and the good heat conduction
00:24 asciilifeform dark-coloured items with poor heat conductivity - e.g., stone - cut well.
00:25 asciilifeform (though you get problems with stress fractures.)
00:26 decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=301&v=2yE7v4wkuZU < how to make fuming hno3
00:26 assbot Make Nitric Acid - The Complete Guide - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zAtr )
00:27 asciilifeform http://jelmertiete.com/images/2015-06-30-Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650-18-small.jpg << balun
00:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zBNZ )
00:27 asciilifeform (author did not identify it)
00:27 decimation asciilifeform: reflected multi-watt laser burns yer eye out
00:27 asciilifeform decimation: in box
00:27 asciilifeform problem is, your destroy mirrors, or - if very 'lucky' - your tube
00:28 asciilifeform the mirrors are, typically, a benjie or so each
00:28 decimation asciilifeform: it might be an inductor
00:28 asciilifeform which is not even the worst part, but the chore of aligning the replacements
00:28 decimation damn that's alot of cash for optics
00:29 asciilifeform typically rare earths
00:29 decimation I imagine it needs to be exotic to hold up to that kind of energy
00:29 decimation https://cbi-blog.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/unbundlinghoneywell2.jpg
00:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zYYI )
00:30 decimation ^ startups are feasting on the corpse of old-fashioned bezzletron
00:32 decimation the most interesting one is 'ecovent': place a battery-powered 'vent' over all of your forced air outlets
00:32 decimation it will control per-room temps on demand.
00:32 decimation which is a band-aid on the retardation of forced-air systems
00:34 asciilifeform i do a low-tech orc version of this
00:34 asciilifeform with bare hands.
00:34 asciilifeform no ipNohe-controlled servo needed.
00:34 decimation aye me too
00:39 decimation actually the thing you really need is just a cheap net of wireless sensors so you can experiment with hand-operated vents
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01:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116550 @ 0.00048234 = 56.2167 BTC [-] {2}
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01:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00048697 = 37.448 BTC [+] {2}
01:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00048723 = 29.5261 BTC [+]
02:04 ben_vulpes <decimation> ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd << one stops being surprised eventually
02:11 ben_vulpes <ascii_field> (thing stows blocks in real time, never erases. see src) << i missed this, somehow. link me?
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03:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87050 @ 0.00047682 = 41.5072 BTC [-] {2}
03:36 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge. << linux's fate: hosting bitcoin.
03:37 ben_vulpes neat parallels to parasitism in nature.
03:42 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story
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03:42 assbot Logged on 01-07-2015 19:10:02; assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort
03:50 ben_vulpes * ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur' << never have i been so hooked on so much promiseware
03:57 mats lol @ rating
03:58 mats ;;ticker --bitstamp
03:58 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
03:58 mats ;;ticker --market bitstamp
03:58 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.09, Best ask: 255.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 255.1, 24 hour volume: 13766.60354772, 24 hour low: 253.81, 24 hour high: 260.89, 24 hour vwap: 257.267613042
03:58 mats it slides
03:59 mats speculators figured out greeks won't be buying coins huh
04:00 shinohai` The lolz were thick on twitter. Every shitty altcoin was tweeting "Welcoming our Greek friends" and such.
04:10 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183894 << see i did the same thing but with a motoman up20, and only for like a day
04:10 assbot Logged on 01-07-2015 23:49:23; *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done
04:11 ben_vulpes only way to get work done with *that* kind of robot is to put it into slow mode and hold dead-man switch
04:13 ben_vulpes i never had to drop the switch, but it did take a couple of swipes at me
04:13 ben_vulpes fun with coordinate system transforms!
04:15 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> bonus points for testing on heathen compilers << rather
04:15 ben_vulpes i never got the static build on os x
04:21 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184010 << served me this little wonder http://imgur.com/7aMTNRJ
04:21 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 03:52:07; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm
04:21 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2wjU8 )
04:35 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=725849473193 (Matthias Schmidt ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F2E69ADD6FA7A630D45FC696E5CA029BC813E437CE2D25C45C80548FFE07771A#B111C17FFBD5495C25921BF0E9A048B0F9568A085886CC0F36B5CCB8B9BF0DBD>
04:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS )
04:35 punkman lots of cosmic rays in germany eh
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04:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.0004816 = 55.3358 BTC [+] {3}
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05:27 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=9 (Richard Monk ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/75254628CF9D61D0137B535BDE2860B51836575E4A454589D01BD586E163B445#8226AD8E1946AC4590E9AA2EA741C8AA8F472CD2156911A9913AF48A5889B1AB>
05:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CczeuL )
05:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2}
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05:31 shinohai What the hell happened in Alemania ?
05:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00049671 = 11.6727 BTC [+]
05:51 punkman http://i.imgur.com/Wz48TiO.png
05:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcCXIH )
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06:27 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=47244640267 (Carsten Lenz ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3E80A6C932C0BCB3D018EB25213D1C5BD3E221289703D0ACA19D593788A802FF#F1A2E56AD8DEEA18BD1327AEF95A8556782505F49CEFA3D882D5299D14F2A2E0> || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=33281701584453 (Carsten Lenz ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3E80A6C932C0BCB3D018EB25213D1C5BD3E221289703D0ACA19D593788A802FF#86F4969A8F1
06:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00047687 = 24.9165 BTC [-]
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06:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94464 @ 0.00047976 = 45.32 BTC [+] {2}
07:04 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/tJ8QkBx.png
07:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyS8wi )
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49139 @ 0.00049179 = 24.1661 BTC [+] {3}
07:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37425 @ 0.00047542 = 17.7926 BTC [-] {2}
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07:37 cazalla shinohai, bit rich that 4chan has a no faggots thread when it is full of them
07:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00047487 = 2.5909 BTC [-]
07:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126844 @ 0.00047303 = 60.001 BTC [-] {2}
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08:12 shinohai *agreed cazalla
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08:37 punkman !up ronaz
08:44 ronaz not sure I deserve that!
08:44 punkman just go wih it
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08:55 punkman is bittiraha an exchange?
08:57 ronaz a brokering service mainly
08:58 ronaz we are also shipping first patch of Denarium coins in a weeks time
08:58 punkman what are those?
08:58 ronaz plus we have an ATM-network of 8-9 devices around Finland
08:59 ronaz physical Bitcoins, lile Casascius sold back in the days
09:00 punkman got a pic?
09:00 ronaz www.denarium.com check it out
09:01 shinohai !gettrust ronaz
09:01 assbot ronaz is not registered in WoT.
09:01 shinohai >.>
09:01 ronaz on brokering side we have over 30 000 clients
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09:01 ronaz ahh. i have the wot account from 2012
09:02 ronaz i wonder if i would find the key to sign myself in
09:02 punkman ;;gettrust ronaz
09:02 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user punkman to user ronaz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=ronaz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ronaz | Rated since: Wed Feb 19 00:42:51 2014
09:03 punkman you will need a GPG key to register with assbot
09:03 punkman !help
09:03 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
09:03 ronaz yup
09:03 ronaz thanks for help
09:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100756 @ 0.00048186 = 48.5503 BTC [+] {5}
09:04 ronaz punkman: on brolering side we have had over 30 000 individual clients and thus can claim to be a key player in Nordic BTC brokering
09:05 punkman how does it work?
09:06 ronaz creater order at website, pay through bank account transfer, and we check accounts three times pee day and run a batch for paid orders
09:07 punkman so you handle both fiat and bitcoin?
09:07 ronaz ye
09:07 punkman !up ronaz
09:08 punkman do you have an orderbook?
09:09 ronaz no not a public one
09:09 ronaz we do match orders and sells according to spot on exchange
09:10 ronaz *buys and sells
09:10 punkman which exchange?
09:10 ronaz mostly stamp
09:12 punkman is this to get around regulation related to exchanges?
09:12 ronaz no
09:12 ronaz one is to avoid providing a wallet service
09:13 punkman oh so you only handle the bitcoins for a short period?
09:13 ronaz yaman
09:15 ronaz so how are involved in Bitcoin business scene yourself?
09:16 punkman not involved in any bitcoin business for the time being
09:17 ronaz market sentiment has beem bad for volumes for 1,5 years :'(
09:18 punkman don't tell me you are brokering bitcents
09:20 ronaz 20 eur minimum so yeah i guess
09:21 punkman is there a maximum?
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09:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131107 @ 0.00049874 = 65.3883 BTC [+] {3}
10:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.00051364 = 43.608 BTC [+] {3}
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11:12 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu incoming gpg - june broadcast.
11:12 gribble The operation succeeded.
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11:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130108 @ 0.00051836 = 67.4428 BTC [+] {3}
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11:51 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << it's the story of how the b-a WoT members were the coolest kids at the party, or how I pissed off a bunch of socially inept libertards by being seen hangning out with the hot chick
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11:51 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story
11:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2169 @ 0.00052466 = 1.138 BTC [+]
11:53 shinohai o/ danielpbarron
11:54 danielpbarron hi there
11:55 shinohai epic twitter avatar you are using now
11:55 danielpbarron I usually don't go along with those "change your profile pic to show support" things, but when I saw the qntra bunny...
11:56 shinohai If mircea_popescu changes the trilema background to that flag, I'll do it.
11:56 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Carl Christoph Leimbrock ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C214323FE8F5A745404185908E2CFAB4D18087093B71CDBC40C01FA883C060D4#81AFFA12771C9550E4941C4B7C4EAC93BCE4E063D36B0A6DE612AF29484357A8> || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Carl Christoph Leimbrock ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C214323FE8F5A745404185908E2CFAB4D18087093B71CDBC40C01FA88
11:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HakgFZ )
12:01 kakobrekla lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked
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12:02 kakobrekla or is it same as the first anyway?
12:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12943 @ 0.0005266 = 6.8158 BTC [+]
12:14 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: you pissed them off just by being seen with chicka? imagine their rage if you'd /slept/ with her!
12:14 ben_vulpes actually imagining that is probably what got them all het up in the first place
12:16 decimation https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no further attention."
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12:16 assbot Conspiracy Theories, Meme Theories, and Bureaucracy Theories ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQYovl )
12:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00053264 = 28.8425 BTC [+]
12:18 ben_vulpes "These statements strike us as being crazy and misguided. And for good reason. I have met some of these elites." << is dood schizo or am i reading too much into things
12:18 decimation here's a conspiracy: why were the german journalists so quick to discredit phuctor's work, when the majority of the targeted keys appear to be the pirate party
12:19 decimation ben_vulpes: who knows, he might be claiming shit that isn't true, but it does strike me as fairly reasonable
12:19 ben_vulpes decimation: i'm just looking at the we/i thing
12:19 decimation I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads
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12:20 ben_vulpes didja read the most recent orlol asciilifeform posted?
12:20 decimation I read it as he was using the third-party language intentionally - to sympathize with the reader's point of view
12:20 ben_vulpes "it's not me, it's the black hole"
12:20 decimation heh
12:20 * ben_vulpes has binaries to copy between wordprexen
12:21 * ben_vulpes to the augean stables
12:21 decimation "The outsiders can see these patterns, but don?t understand the details, so come across as cranks when trying to do analysis. Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine. They don?t even know where the levers are. When they try to fix the machine, they get duped, get discredited, and end up out of power again."
12:21 decimation seems about right
12:21 ben_vulpes only solution is to burn everything in sight that pisses one off.
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12:21 decimation this echo's yarvin's "what if ron paul won the presidency" gedankenexperiment
12:22 decimation he would try to eliminate the dept of education or whatever, and he would quickly find himself 'nixoned'
12:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00053264 = 10.1202 BTC [+]
12:24 ben_vulpes tough gedanken
12:25 ben_vulpes having trouble understanding why big money would put him on the throne
12:25 decimation they wouldn't, so they didn't
12:26 decimation note that the primary job of president these days is to fail to excercise your theoretically vast but practically nearly nonexistant power
12:26 ben_vulpes but obama fixed gay marriage
12:26 ben_vulpes and cash for clunkers
12:26 ben_vulpes and the recovery
12:26 ben_vulpes and killed bitcoin
12:26 ben_vulpes and osama
12:26 ben_vulpes plus drones!
12:27 decimation actually obama did none of those
12:27 ben_vulpes no man you just don't understand how the world works
12:27 decimation his employees did some, congress did some
12:28 ben_vulpes no but no but no but
12:28 decimation but a federal employee really isn't obama's employee anyway
12:28 decimation how many has he fired?
12:28 ben_vulpes right, that's the real test.
12:28 decimation he has less power than the average mcdonald's night shift manager
12:28 ben_vulpes obligatory reference to "owning a thing means being able to destroy it"
12:28 decimation indeed.
12:29 ben_vulpes in that sense obab (as proxy for the usg) does in fact own my company to a far greater degree than i ever can
12:29 decimation the president's main power is to appear before the press and say things that are unsurprising
12:29 decimation he can also receives the benefits of appearing to be rich and powerful, and gets an army of people who are interested in making him seem powerful
12:30 decimation not obama, but the gang of federal civil servants who actually make employment defacto employment law
12:31 ben_vulpes how else to maintain the illusion that the whole thing matters.
12:31 ben_vulpes its this terrifying beast that in the large is incapable of changing anything, but should its eye orient towards any individual woe unto them.
12:32 ben_vulpes maybe changing -> affecting
12:32 decimation no human could possibly manage the official federal government
12:32 decimation not to mention the vast unofficial government
12:32 decimation so it splits into fiefdoms
12:33 ben_vulpes and perhaps this is the hallmark of fascist states - how would I know, only recently having started to crawl out from under my brainwashing - that they can't possibly deliver on their promises of complete surveillance (let's just take tax collection for one tiny slice of the thing), but they freeze any individuals assets on a whim to prevent their fighting back on tax charges.
12:34 ben_vulpes and so everyone quakes in their boots and lines up to pay or report their neighbors or whatever it is that they want today
12:38 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.
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12:39 ben_vulpes this torture won't be performed by the usg, but regular ol' bandits.
12:40 ben_vulpes by the time that happens, the two'll be indistinguishable.
12:48 decimation yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway
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12:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68348 @ 0.0005266 = 35.9921 BTC [-]
12:48 decimation look at the report released by the senate on the torture of terrorists
12:48 decimation it was a mickey mouse operation
12:49 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps
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12:49 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 06:17:16; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171698 <<< try 3 bottles :P
12:51 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171902 << i prepared beforehand, a plastic gallon milk jug with most of the top cut out, for the purpose of vomiting without having to crawl to the bathroom
12:51 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 06:23:08; BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time
12:57 kakobrekla wait i thought drugs were suppose to make one feel better, not worse?
13:00 danielpbarron i guess bingo has different genetics or something, but for me the vomiting is short lasting and not the focus of the experience
13:01 danielpbarron not that i recommend abusing otc cough suppressants
13:03 mats lol
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13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.0005266 = 11.9644 BTC [-]
13:28 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:28 ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu node syncs without burping since sundown last night, and presently, 280480+
13:28 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:29 mircea_popescu ascii_field what sort of speed ?
13:30 ascii_field approx same speed as when i sync from own lan
13:30 ascii_field i.e. cpu-bound
13:31 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184251 << see the 'coke machine' thread
13:31 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 16:48:08; decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway
13:32 mircea_popescu haha perfect.
13:32 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184248 << 'until you give up' - l0l! it makes zero game-theoretical sense for them to ever stop until you're mincemeat
13:32 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 16:38:17; thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.
13:33 mircea_popescu ascii_field or for you, for that matter.
13:33 ascii_field (ergo, it makes zero game-theoretical sense for victim to give so much as a satoshi!)
13:33 mircea_popescu hence the entire line on trilema re herr flondor.
13:33 mircea_popescu the only way out of this is through congress mandating obama in solemn session to come suck our cocks with his special plane and everything. fly a little around the world.
13:33 mircea_popescu until such happens...
13:34 decimation note that air force one currently has special provisions to transport the press on board
13:34 decimation in case you forget who calls the shots
13:35 decimation at least, with respect to the project of making the president appear in charge
13:35 ascii_field 'take'im to the press room.' 'where the newsmen are?' 'no, where we keep the press. for peine forte et dure.'
13:36 decimation ascii_field: it's quite the opposite - politicians plead with the media to run favorable angles
13:46 shinohai I want to try and run a node on this xD https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/
13:46 assbot Bitnodes Hardware - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzB2hQ )
13:47 ascii_field shinohai: why?
13:47 ascii_field that thing costs literally 10x a pogo
13:48 ascii_field ~and~ your purchase supports satan.
13:48 shinohai true. I found a pogo on craigslist *with* a HDD
13:48 shinohai even though i have like 4
13:48 ascii_field speaking of brand-new pogo, by the shovelfull, even
13:49 jurov anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe?
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13:50 ascii_field jurov: i gave a few to davout, ask him if he'll part with one or two
13:51 shinohai I'm just gonna buy a pogo or two w/ btc i suppose. An extra for the lab wouldn't hurt
13:51 shinohai I never heard of the things until I read danielpbarron's piece.
13:52 ascii_field shinohai: it all started with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988286
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13:52 assbot Logged on 22-01-2015 19:36:33; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time.
13:52 mircea_popescu aha.
13:52 shinohai I had tried to do that with DD-WRT xD
13:53 shinohai just no place to store teh blockchain on my router
13:53 ascii_field shinohai: trick was that you need a 'nas' box, not router
13:53 ascii_field so then i found one
13:55 shinohai I could see the pogo being a mass product, given a little 3-d printing magic
13:55 ben_vulpes problem is chips not boxes
13:56 ascii_field shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina
13:56 ascii_field and dc power brick
13:58 shinohai I bought a bunch of gridseeds one time, and the power supplies were garbage.
13:58 shinohai So i bought a few regulated supplies and still have them
14:02 shinohai I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.
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14:02 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:02 ascii_field shinohai: what's that
14:03 shinohai electrum bitcoin wallet
14:03 ascii_field what i mean is,
14:03 ascii_field why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.
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14:03 shinohai I dunno, BingoBoingo brought it up and I started playing with it.
14:04 shinohai Needs a lot of work, all the rpc calls are broken
14:04 ascii_field the 'light client' stuff has always stuck me as a step in the precisely wrong direction.
14:05 ascii_field ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-038-049.pdf << carl force plea
14:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:05 shinohai I can live without them. cli is lightweight :D
14:11 trinque ascii_field: what a hilariously inept crooked bastard.
14:11 trinque http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nob
14:11 assbot Urban Dictionary: nob ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEt8n )
14:13 ascii_field force went to the scaffold, as it usually happens, not for corruption, but for 'not knowing his place'
14:13 ascii_field the annointed 'plum book' folks can take bribe, extort, to their heart's delight
14:14 ascii_field so long as it is done within the customary hierarchy
14:14 mod6 ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator
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14:14 ascii_field mod6: neato
14:14 ascii_field mod6: make sure you '-connect'
14:14 ascii_field rather than -addseed
14:15 mod6 yeah? i used -addnode
14:15 ascii_field mod6: if so, you're almost certainly pulling from some random schmuck
14:15 ascii_field (one of my planned but yet-unwritten patches is a mechanism for fine-grained sync control)
14:16 mod6 the reason i did is because of: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html
14:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEWHC )
14:16 ascii_field presently the thing has exactly two settings - 'best phriendz' and 'planetary slut'
14:17 mod6 you link that email from the stator email saying "MUST run as described in", which says to use -addnode.
14:17 mod6 anyway, no worries, i'll stop the sync, use -connect :]
14:17 mod6 glad i asked!
14:17 ascii_field the difference is that when you 'addnode', the thing carries on with collecting as many seed ips from wherever it knows about, as possible
14:17 ascii_field and arbitrarily cycles between them
14:17 ascii_field whenever one disconnects
14:18 ascii_field '-connect' enables syncing from ~precisely one~ ip
14:18 ascii_field (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water)
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14:18 ascii_field ^ another thing to fix
14:18 trinque the hilarious byzantine logic in this thing
14:19 ascii_field trinque: to be fair, i killed all of the fallback sync mechanisms (irc, dns, hardcodedseeds)
14:19 trinque maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there
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14:19 trinque I haven't written c++ in about 8 years
14:19 trinque wanna start getting my hands dirty
14:19 ascii_field trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway
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14:20 mod6 ascii_field: ok, all set. running & sync'ing actively with: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=W.X.Y.Z -connect=M.P.I.P &
14:20 ascii_field neat
14:21 ascii_field how many blocks in ?
14:21 mod6 20k
14:22 ascii_field any stalls ?
14:22 trinque I think I'll get my pogo going again first, as that's the best device for me to do any blockchain syncing with
14:22 mod6 not yet.
14:22 mod6 i need to get MY pogo going! lol. it's just been sitting here in a box.
14:22 trinque yeah mine's collecting dust on the tv stand
14:22 mod6 haven't had a chance to play iwth it yet.
14:22 trinque gonna have to wireshark it up and figure out what IP it had, lol
14:22 trinque rather, which it wants to give the boot console to
14:26 ascii_field https://blockchain.info/address/14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE << l0l, it's still full
14:26 assbot Bitcoin Address 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzG3H4 )
14:27 ascii_field and who knew of it, to send the turds to ?
14:28 mod6 sometimes i feel like i should mod the old atcbot just to sit in here and do things like %addr <BTC_ADDRESS> and then spit back info, or for %block or %tx
14:29 kakobrekla that address, what of it?
14:29 ascii_field kakobrekla: it figures in the carl force confession
14:29 kakobrekla ah
14:29 ascii_field somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of his heap
14:30 trinque mod6: seems like that'd be cool
14:30 trinque moar botz!
14:30 mod6 lemme see..
14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132200 @ 0.00047988 = 63.4401 BTC [-] {4}
14:42 mod6 113k
14:48 mod6 %h
14:48 btcbot [ %d | %diff ] [ %tx <id> ] [ %bal <address> ] [ %m | %mined ] [ %b <height> | %block <height> ] [ %lb ] [ %tslb ] [ %h | %help ]
14:48 mod6 %bal 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE
14:48 btcbot [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE Balance: 400.00101 Total Received: 400.00101 Number TXs: 4
14:48 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:48 ascii_field mod6: neat! how does it work ?
14:49 mod6 it talks to btc.blockr.io and parses some JSON
14:49 mod6 %d
14:49 btcbot [BTC Diff] Current Diff: 49402014931.23 Est. Next Diff: 48635521157.02 in 1380 blocks (#364896) Est. % Change: -1.55
14:49 ascii_field so essentially same thing as a 'blockchain.info' link, l0l
14:49 mod6 yeah, except that doesn't tell you anything unless you click through it
14:50 ascii_field ah
14:50 mod6 for instance:
14:50 mod6 %bal 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
14:50 btcbot [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0
14:50 mod6 arg! lol
14:51 mod6 somehow cat'd that together. o.O, have to fix that
14:51 mod6 %tslb
14:52 * mod6 looks around
14:52 mod6 aight might have to iron out some kinks.
14:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00050079 = 21.1083 BTC [+]
14:59 ascii_field ;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html << looks like folks have tried the co2 laser ic decapping thing. tricky.
14:59 assbot Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKVpel )
14:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:02 ascii_field ;;later tell mats wonder if anybody's tried it under hard vacuum
15:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:05 punkman ;;balance 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
15:05 gribble 11.93446524
15:05 jurov i doubt, laser would generate plenty if gas... more like in inert atmosphere
15:06 ascii_field whole point is to sublimate the epoxy to gas
15:06 ascii_field which is pumped away
15:06 ascii_field in the linked experiment, it failed to sublimate
15:06 jurov ic
15:08 punkman http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB11064341213388534269604581080473031895058
15:08 assbot Mall Operators Begin Cultivating Startups - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKWBi5 )
15:08 mod6 ah, punkman thanks lol.
15:08 mod6 i didn't know it did that for some reason
15:16 mats azonenberg is p cool
15:16 mats i saw this some time ago when he tried with a cheaper laser: http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html
15:16 assbot Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKY2gf )
15:17 ascii_field didn't i just like same
15:17 ascii_field *link same
15:18 ascii_field ?
15:18 mats er
15:18 mats scuse me
15:19 mats i need some sleep
15:20 mod6 !up ascii_field
15:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00049687 = 25.5888 BTC [-]
15:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049893 = 6.6108 BTC [+] {2}
15:37 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182410 << incidentally, anyone remember the 'accidental' oceanic fiber cuts every few years, when nsa installs splitter taps ?!
15:37 assbot Logged on 01-07-2015 04:17:01; decimation: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/06/30/california-internet-outage/29521335/
15:41 mod6 164k
15:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00051904 = 23.4606 BTC [+] {2}
15:49 trinque ascii_field: makes a guy want to take up amateur submarining
15:51 mod6 !up ascii_field
16:03 mircea_popescu mod6 o hey. nice.
16:03 mod6 well, maybe it doesn't make sense to do that if gribble does stuff.
16:03 mod6 haha
16:04 mod6 oh but yah, im sync'in
16:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.00051905 = 29.8713 BTC [+]
16:08 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183889 << i recall that grisly case when an elderly couple murdered-suicided themselves as the old lady was holding the stair for the gent who thought for some reason eh can use a chainsaw upside.
16:08 assbot Logged on 01-07-2015 23:48:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week
16:08 mircea_popescu and then fell.
16:08 mircea_popescu on her.
16:11 ascii_field 'find some meat!' (tm) (r) ('doom2')
16:11 mircea_popescu o boy.
16:12 mircea_popescu "Through EZ Keys I can also control the mouse in Windows." stephen hawking uses wintel ? sad.
16:14 trinque intel made his apparatus for him, iirc
16:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183929 < nice.
16:14 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 00:17:31; phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago
16:15 mircea_popescu trinque yeah there is that.
16:15 mircea_popescu phf you know minigame's looking for someone who can compile of apple so ben_vulpes can play.
16:16 trinque http://newsroom.intel.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-8690-5835/Hawking_press1.jpg << lol @ him being a (slowly) moving billboard
16:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA4IvN )
16:16 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183935 <<< this is the chief criteria in the classical harem. so... because the "people" being hired are chattel ?
16:16 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 00:53:07; williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know
16:17 ascii_field more of a zoo. 'zebra died, we need a zebra'
16:17 mircea_popescu same thing.
16:17 mircea_popescu omfg hawking is SEVENTYthree.
16:18 mircea_popescu dude, by now he's not in much worse shape than any other seventy year old, not counting those who already died.
16:18 mircea_popescu reversion to mean must be the main solace for early onset disability.
16:23 mod6 !up ascii_field
16:23 funkenstein_ george clinton one year older, still on tour
16:28 ascii_field http://www.citlink.net/~bhima/emfcomp.htm << whole world of crackpottery. may be new to some folks
16:28 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA7AZJ )
16:30 trinque ascii_field: ah thanks; this old performa's CRT has been giving me hives
16:39 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184349 << somebody oughta do a 'gcov'
16:39 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:10; trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there
16:40 ascii_field it isn't esp. hard, and would be tremendously useful
16:40 ascii_field https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Invoking-Gcov.html#Invoking-Gcov
16:40 assbot Invoking Gcov - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAa4aq )
16:44 ascii_field 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'
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16:44 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3bv90j/if_exchanges_arent_safe_places_to_store_bitcoin/cspt1hp
16:44 assbot the_real_obola comments on If exchanges aren't safe places to store bitcoin why are they trust worthy enough to store my personal data? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvORjv )
16:44 ascii_field ^ anybody else regard this situation as shitgnomiferous ?
16:44 ascii_field and worthy of correction
16:44 ascii_field (speaking of 'getdata' here)
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16:46 ascii_field shinohai: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-06-2015#1164408 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164411
16:46 assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 15:50:15; asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts
16:46 assbot Logged on 15-06-2015 15:52:37; asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.
16:48 kakobrekla >Coinbase is advertising an "Unreliable solution" (instead of trustless solution) and "Busy function" (the English term is "feature full", which is supposed to mean "full of features", but they translated it as "the feature [is] full [of something]".
16:48 kakobrekla lol!
16:50 trinque ascii_field: testing tooling is probably a fine place to start for me; I'll look into gcov this weekend.
16:50 trinque ty
16:51 mod6 180k
16:51 ascii_field 290160+
16:51 lobbes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-07-2015#1184191 << shit, you are right.
16:51 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 16:01:48; kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked
16:52 lobbes Hmm, my first guess is that it is a character limit set somewhere, though I'm just pulling that out of my ass
16:53 lobbes thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it
16:53 kakobrekla lobbes yeah at least on ircd side
16:53 punkman irc limit
16:53 shinohai heh ascii_field 'tis difficult to buy BTC here for real. CoinBase has shuttered me twice.
16:54 ascii_field also need with what to buy!
16:54 kakobrekla !up ascii_field
16:54 ascii_field (laugh, but sometimes ~this~ is the hard bit)
16:55 decimation shinohai: how did they 'shutter' you?
16:56 ascii_field (world's most reliable btc-selling phriendz could not help you if you haven't with what to buy it...)
16:57 mircea_popescu shinohai where is here ?
16:58 shinohai I'm in the U.S. They froze my account first for sending to a gambling site, the second time it was my stoopid bank
16:58 shinohai but meh, i hated coinbase anyway
16:59 kakobrekla for sending to a gambling site < here you can use this currency that you can freely use as long as you dont use it freely
16:59 mircea_popescu lol
17:00 decimation shinohai: wait, they froze your btc wallet?
17:01 shinohai yeh, only had $25 left in it, but they let me back in after 4-5 weeks? Then BoA shut me down
17:01 shinohai Buying BTC is a "suspicious activity"
17:01 ascii_field isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ?
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17:01 kakobrekla unless you are registered terrorist
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17:01 trinque ayep
17:02 shinohai yeah, i no longer have a BoA account
17:02 trinque BoA is the kind of bank that charges you for having an empty account
17:02 trinque then charges you overdraft fees
17:02 trinque goto 10
17:02 ascii_field why anyone uses it is beyond me
17:02 kakobrekla has 'america' in the name?
17:03 ascii_field my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now
17:03 decimation see, this is why usg doesn't need to actually 'make law'
17:03 decimation it just has to let its unofficial organs know how the game should go
17:03 ascii_field (once became dominant)
17:04 ascii_field usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time
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17:04 decimation it was the 'beneficiary' of many of the the 2008 'bad loans'
17:04 ascii_field (and yes, famously, he eventually had a bell installed)
17:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00052058 = 19.0272 BTC [+] {4}
17:07 shinohai ;;ticker
17:07 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.15, Best ask: 255.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 255.01, 24 hour volume: 18016.50885563, 24 hour low: 253.0, 24 hour high: 262.61, 24 hour vwap: None
17:07 ascii_field in other 'news', https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Disappointments.html#Disappointments
17:07 assbot Disappointments - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAgczp )
17:07 ascii_field ^ confirms my hypothesis from several months ago
17:08 ascii_field 'GCC comes with shell scripts to fix certain known problems in system header files. They install corrected copies of various header files in a special directory where only GCC will normally look for them. The scripts adapt to various systems by searching all the system header files for the problem cases that we know about.'
17:08 ascii_field 'If new system header files are installed, nothing automatically arranges to update the corrected header files. They can be updated using the mkheaders script installed in libexecdir/gcc/target/version/install-tools/.'
17:08 ascii_field (what hypothesis? that one - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1086641 )
17:08 assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 16:43:02; asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.
17:09 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184255 <<< most i did was 1000mg, sweet spot was around 600-700 for me
17:09 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 16:49:39; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps
17:09 trinque did look like int related headers were magically appearing or not depending on where the build happened
17:09 ascii_field gotta love this attitude
17:09 ascii_field 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin'
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17:10 trinque that one's on the disappointments page for the world's manual
17:10 shinohai The #b-a purple drank
17:10 ascii_field aha, and nobody mentioned it, nor did 'google' ever turn it up
17:11 ascii_field had to stumble across it while pursuing an entirely unrelated matter
17:11 ascii_field https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Fixed-Headers.html#Fixed-Headers
17:11 assbot Fixed Headers - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAh9b9 )
17:11 decimation ascii_field: this must be a glibc vs gcc conflict?
17:12 decimation after all, there can be only one /usr/include
17:12 * ascii_field doesn't know, and, at this point, doesn't much care
17:12 ascii_field 'hey hey, ho ho,' glibc 'has got to go'
17:12 decimation drepper presaged poettering
17:12 ascii_field shoot it, bury, pour cement.
17:13 ascii_field poettering is small change
17:14 ascii_field drepperization has touched more or less the entire known unixlike universe
17:18 trinque and bezzlization burned down all alternative worlds
17:18 ascii_field long, long ago.
17:25 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:25 ascii_field http://ewontfix.com/12
17:25 assbot EWONTFIX - Breakincludes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkwi4 )
17:25 ascii_field ^ pretty lulzy site overall
17:25 ascii_field recommended.
17:26 ascii_field e.g., http://ewontfix.com/14
17:26 assbot EWONTFIX - Broken by design: systemd ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkKpA )
17:26 decimation the official redhat gcc nukes the mkheaders script: rm -f $FULLEPATH/install-tools/{mkheaders,fixincl}
17:27 decimation ^ from source package (.spec)
17:27 ascii_field decimation: relevant:
17:27 ascii_field 'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by
17:27 ascii_field pruning the resulting include-fixed directory. Thus, the only people who have to deal with fixincludes are people who build GCC from the source packages, or who are setting up build scripts for their own deployment/distribution.'
17:28 ascii_field the whole thing just desperately needs to die
17:28 ascii_field http://ewontfix.com/1
17:28 assbot EWONTFIX - Introducing EWONTFIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAlcEb )
17:29 decimation what I find amusing is that gcc comes with system include files, but 'also depends' on glibc
17:29 ascii_field 'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race
17:29 ascii_field conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.'
17:30 ascii_field ^ who wants to try ?
17:30 ascii_field (apparently 'ewontfix' is involved with 'musl')
17:31 ascii_field http://www.musl-libc.org/how.html << works - or claims to - with stock gcc on existing system
17:31 assbot musl - How to Use ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwxQnI )
17:32 ascii_field 'When will it be finished?' 'When there's nothing left to remove.' (faq)
17:32 ascii_field win.
17:33 decimation lol
17:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102930 @ 0.00053093 = 54.6486 BTC [+]
17:33 ascii_field 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!
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17:35 ascii_field 'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl;
17:35 ascii_field however, if C++ support is needed, it's recommended just to build a native toolchain targetting musl.'
17:35 ascii_field ^ not quite fire-and-forget
17:36 phf maze of twisty little passages, all alike
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17:36 decimation well, nothing involving C++ is fire-and-forget
17:36 decimation did you see that 'were gonna increment C++99 to C+14!!!!'
17:36 phf mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac
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17:37 mircea_popescu seems to be the consensus so far.
17:37 decimation ascii_field: note the commonality to all of these problems: "we own this namespace so you should accept our aliased symbols"
17:38 cazalla BingoBoingo, seems we have our first protestor http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/#comment-29863
17:38 assbot UK Gambling Commission Strongarms Some Bitcoin Based Gambling Websites | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAne7h )
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18:08 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184315 << The appeal is not in the "light client" but in the server that indexes the full node's blockchain and makes "transaction observatory" easier.
18:08 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 18:03:15; ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.
18:10 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
18:10 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184310 << Prolly need more power, once bitcoind is sync'd electrum-server generates a whole new tens of gigs database of its own... You can ask Jurov about that
18:10 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 18:02:08; shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.
18:10 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184577 << aaaaand to nobody's great surprise, go try, 'crossdev x86_64-pc-linux-musl', barfs in 'stage2'
18:10 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 21:33:59; ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!
18:10 scoopbot_revived Line betting on BitBet, June 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-june-2015/
18:11 ascii_field and the only search result for the barf turns up: http://pastebin.com/U4Q3X7X0
18:11 assbot /var/tmp/portage/cross-x86_64-pc-linux-musl/gcc-4.6.3/work/build/./gcc/xgcc -sha - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEOsY )
18:11 ascii_field circa 2012.
18:13 hanbot deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_062015.txt.asc
18:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEZ7y )
18:13 deedbot- accepted: 1
18:13 shinohai you know, why complicate things. I like the small bitcoind
18:13 ascii_field wai wat
18:15 ascii_field shinohai: 'small bitcoind' vs what ?
18:16 shinohai vs. electrum
18:17 ascii_field weird kludges which ultimately came from the retardation of the 'powerranger' bitcoind - e.g., inability to know when an addr has been paid, without having private key - are to be fixed in the proper way
18:18 ascii_field that is, by removing the retardation which made them appear necessary
18:19 ascii_field there was never any fucking reason to couple the addr-watching functionality with 'wallet'
18:19 ascii_field it was screamingly stupid from day 1.
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18:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183975 << what's it at by now ?
18:20 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 02:03:20; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 211814+
18:20 ascii_field 294300+
18:20 kakobrekla well that one goes all the way back to satoshi.
18:20 ascii_field kakobrekla: aha
18:21 mircea_popescu ah yeah. that sounds like a properly connected node ove ran actually functioning link for cryssakes.
18:21 mircea_popescu cool.
18:21 kakobrekla from the era of unencrypted wallets
18:21 ascii_field kakobrekla: but look at all the folks who could have done something about it, and instead pulled each other's cocks
18:21 mircea_popescu you both have a solid point.
18:22 mircea_popescu what's worse, look at the people who claimed to be and acted as if they were actually doing useful work
18:22 mircea_popescu while in fact pulling each other's cock. it's a sickening display.
18:22 ascii_field hey, usg paid'em to sit and pull. those cocks won't pull themselves
18:23 mircea_popescu paid my foot.
18:23 mircea_popescu usg isn't even paying lawsky's pension.
18:24 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the way this works is that if mr pension is ever short on dough, he gets 'honorary professorship' at yalprincevard, or 'lecture fee', or 'consultantship' at lockheed, etc
18:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183987 << wrong on a lot of things. the only thing dropping a nuke will do is ensure the dropper loses.
18:24 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 02:26:47; mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority
18:24 ascii_field http://qntra.net/2015/06/cuny-keeps-bezzle-flowing-to-krugman << like this
18:24 assbot CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwGnHf )
18:25 mircea_popescu you're comparing britni with random ho waiting tables.
18:25 ascii_field possibly
18:25 mircea_popescu give it some time, he'll go the way of that cornel west fucktard in due time
18:25 mircea_popescu nothing's fickler than the socialist.
18:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0004935 = 19.2712 BTC [-]
18:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183999 << no i know, was just amusing.
18:26 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:47; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine
18:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed.
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18:27 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 03:22:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context?
18:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.
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18:30 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?
18:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184025 << nah, it's drastically visible. you're basically saying "i couldn't spot a firefly because everything generates a little radiation"
18:33 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground
18:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << ahaha this is great. but in fairness, the chick seemed quite pleasant, no idea why he went all berserk on her ass.
18:36 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story
18:36 mircea_popescu well... an inkling of an idea.
18:36 decimation no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb'
18:37 decimation to accomplish a similiar level of background
18:37 decimation to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself
18:40 decimation my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people'
18:42 kakobrekla like Semipalatinsk for example
18:43 mircea_popescu well your last point may well stand on its own. we really know precious little about radio-bio interaction.
18:43 mircea_popescu but the former does not. it IS very visible.
18:46 decimation yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs
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18:46 decimation !up bitspill
18:47 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173021 << i met a girl at porcfest who is either a maidsafe dev or in some way associated with them; she said to me "hey aren't you that guy who's always on about the WoT on twitter?"
18:47 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 22:51:50; williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?
18:48 decimation danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist?
18:48 decimation I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire
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18:48 danielpbarron yeah but it doesn't amount to much
18:48 trinque 16,832 of 20,000 according to the site
18:48 trinque committed to move
18:48 danielpbarron basically only attracts a bunch of losers
18:48 trinque ^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community
18:49 trinque and the ron paul people
18:49 danielpbarron they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry
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18:49 decimation well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists
18:50 danielpbarron euphemism* \\ and this is necessary for them because there are so many more men than women who sign
18:50 decimation as in, one woman for multiple men?
18:50 danielpbarron pretty much
18:51 danielpbarron they don't describe it that way; it could be a guy with multiple girls, but it probably never is
18:51 decimation lol. well I guess that's consistant with a male who also removes himself from any hope of having power
18:51 danielpbarron with the exception of the "celebritarians" who basically have harems
18:51 trinque danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female\
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18:51 trinque decimation: lol
18:52 trinque I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on
18:52 trinque in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it"
18:53 danielpbarron yep, that.
18:53 danielpbarron and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama
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18:54 danielpbarron it's like the worst of both worlds of being a single slut and being in a committed relationship
18:55 shinohai The single life for me
18:55 trinque framing taking abuse as a matter of enlightenment is the oldest cult swindle there is
18:55 decimation emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them?
18:55 decimation aka 'hazing', nearly all institutions have some form
18:56 trinque muh poor foreskin
18:56 BingoBoingo cazalla: Oh I though we had protestors already
18:56 danielpbarron at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures
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18:57 cazalla BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate
18:57 trinque danielpbarron: mean bible guy lol
18:57 trinque least you actually read the book
18:58 danielpbarron it worked out well for my assassins game -- all the dirty looks I was getting made me constantly paranoid that my assassin was going to get me at any moment
18:59 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184679 <<< sounds like the same women who play mmorpgs
18:59 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama
18:59 shinohai Aren't you a Xtian danielpbarron ?
18:59 danielpbarron shinohai, ya
18:59 shinohai I thought I noticed something about it on your site.
19:00 shinohai I tend to avoid religious materials.
19:01 danielpbarron as stupid as the free state is, they throw a decent party for a week, and it's worth attending soley for meeting chicks and playing assassin so i'll probably go again next year
19:01 danielpbarron and there's also poker (speaking of which, give it a few years and that festival will be entirely about poker)
19:02 trinque I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy.
19:02 danielpbarron last year there was 1 table; this year there were at least 3 (i heard about others)
19:03 trinque so yeah, you're free, now go to work for someone better than you
19:03 trinque might've been something like what the USA was back when
19:04 danielpbarron you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery
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19:04 mats lol
19:05 trinque danielpbarron: I've heard so called libertarians derp on about "libertarian socialism"
19:05 decimation yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations
19:05 trinque decimation: socialism plus weed!
19:06 danielpbarron lots of weed!
19:06 decimation note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed
19:06 mats how many asians you got walking around porcfest dpb
19:06 danielpbarron hahaha
19:06 danielpbarron i saw a bunch playing poker actually
19:06 danielpbarron one of the best guys at the table was some sort of asian
19:06 mats maybe ill go next year
19:06 danielpbarron and took the host for over 1k
19:06 danielpbarron you totally should
19:06 mats i try not to stand out too much
19:06 danielpbarron you will be the coolest person there
19:07 danielpbarron !gettrust assbot mats
19:07 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mats/
19:08 danielpbarron and that whole "there aren't any women in the liberty movement" thing is total B.S. -- there just aren't enough to go around the crowd of poor losers that ends up collecting around the bon fire late at night
19:08 danielpbarron "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough
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19:09 mats how would these people know what that is
19:09 danielpbarron many didn't, but they think that they are bitcoiners so it isn't a hard bridge to cross
19:10 decimation lol. "crypto enthusiasts"
19:10 mats i have had a tricky time broaching the subject
19:11 danielpbarron which subject?
19:11 mats first impression goes well, second time around its like...
19:11 mats who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly
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19:11 shinohai I like wot. it requires discipline.
19:12 mats bitcoin is stupid, man, it was at 1200 and now its at 250
19:12 danielpbarron if you believe what you're saying and have confidence then the rest falls into place
19:12 danielpbarron people want to be in the presence of someone who knows what they are doing
19:13 danielpbarron even if they don't quite understand it or might have reservations about it
19:13 mats invariably people don't want to be associated with genuine seditionists
19:13 mats and i get that
19:13 danielpbarron that's a win win because i don't want to be associated with them either
19:13 decimation me neither
19:14 danielpbarron i had quite a few people get full on trigged by me, to the point where they needed a cuddle session from a blue haired wildebeast
19:14 mats well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents
19:14 danielpbarron one of which was set off by my "keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" t-shirt
19:14 mats being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing
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19:15 danielpbarron i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that
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19:15 decimation lulz
19:16 mats regular folk need https
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19:18 mats we're all on the same page here, but telling people https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful
19:18 mats it encourages mythical distrust of computers
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19:19 mats things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks
19:19 trinque sure, from the mitm perspective
19:19 trinque they're still probably working on an utterly infested device
19:20 trinque mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of https
19:20 trinque rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS
19:21 danielpbarron mats, that particular guy thought he had deep technical knowledge i guess. Enough to know what OpenSSL and LibreSSL are, and enough to suppose that he knew more than I did and that he'd help "expose" me
19:21 trinque lol @ "I'll expose you!"
19:22 trinque danielpbarron: was it this guy?
19:22 trinque http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0c9109c71ea0524d9fe840f91fabd67bb94a26a9/r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/onpolitics/2013/02/14/geraldo-3_4.jpg
19:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWoIme )
19:22 danielpbarron no he had more of the meth addict look going for him
19:22 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB08E08EEF3C71AEC185767B076C306E945E535BE55A8CAAAB9378A9F7CD4D1#E6862E9CF7D3D0B7C87FE0B186E6AB02D2020D7C5C18A25838096437544B363F> || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB08E08EEF3C71AEC185767B076C306E945E535BE55A8CAAAB9378A9F7CD4D1#74A9FEE897AF
19:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )
19:25 trinque somebody's gotta eventually ask one of these germans what e-mail clients and plugins they may have used over the years
19:30 shinohai that blkcut utility is bitchin'
19:40 mod6 cool shinohai
19:40 mod6 192k+
19:41 asciilifeform trinque: i can think of no reason to suppose that the folks named in the keys had anything whatsoever to do with submitting the 32bit-diddled versions
19:42 trinque asciilifeform: yeah, I see your point
19:46 asciilifeform the 'email client' thing, if you recall, was a canned fabrication by the 'debunking' fella
19:46 asciilifeform (not that it is impossible, but there is nothing to recommend it vs any other hypothesis)
19:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184748 << in order to formulate ~rational~ distrust, you need literacy. which is not and cannot be a mass phenomenon. hence the choice, for the lumpens, is between mystical trust and mystical distrust
19:48 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:18:16; mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers
19:48 asciilifeform and not of computers (which, last i saw, did not program themselves) - but of ~people~
19:48 asciilifeform particular people.
19:49 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184723 << wai wat ?!
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19:49 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 23:08:50; danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough
19:50 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184659 << in a very important sense, those folks are the ~strongest~ believers in usg as a concept
19:50 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 22:48:28; decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire
19:50 asciilifeform just as the 'гласность' folks were the strongest believers, in their time, in concept of ussr
19:51 asciilifeform in both cases, the pathology of failing to 'set the bozo bit' on a philosophically-bankrupt system
19:57 trinque asciilifeform: big time, the libertarians tend to self-describe as "real" americans
19:57 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.'
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19:57 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry
19:58 asciilifeform trinque: aha, precisely like the 'real communists'
20:05 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184640 << a bit of a fundamental misconception here. 'emacs' in particular is ~not~ a 'text editor', but a kind of poor man's lisp machine. and is used as such by many folks
20:05 assbot Logged on 02-07-2015 22:30:34; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.
20:06 trinque asciilifeform: that was actually my reaction when learning of genera and other such systems
20:06 trinque "holy shit, stallman was trying to cram a version of this environment into unix"
20:06 asciilifeform trinque: emacs, you might be surprised to learn, predates rms
20:06 trinque in my historical wanderings, I learned of zmacs
20:07 trinque I guess there's a whole lineage of things which ended up being called emacs
20:07 trinque asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!"
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20:08 trinque no offense to mr laddel
20:08 asciilifeform trinque: mno. because it doesn't (except in the most minimal sense) try to handle unixisms ~from within~
20:08 asciilifeform the difference is important
20:08 trinque ah
20:08 trinque well, there are plenty of wads o' elisp that try to do that very thing
20:08 trinque not that I use any of them
20:09 asciilifeform elisp, incidentally, is a world-class turd
20:09 asciilifeform more or less a throwback to very impoverished 1970s lisps
20:09 asciilifeform (e.g., dynamic scope)
20:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.0005079 = 12.0372 BTC [+]
20:16 trinque seems damned javascript-y, though I know it preceded that
20:16 asciilifeform trinque: thing is, 'lispy' interpreters written in a hurry by students end up being all quite alike
20:16 asciilifeform for fundamental reasons
20:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00051884 = 31.6492 BTC [+]
20:19 * trinque afk for a bit
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20:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 500 @ 0.0025 = 1.25 BTC [-]
20:43 asciilifeform http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
20:43 asciilifeform and, interestingly, https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage
20:43 assbot sabotage-linux/sabotage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHyzO )
20:44 asciilifeform mod6, possibly: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hardened_musl
20:44 assbot Project:Hardened musl - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHIY0 )
20:50 asciilifeform http://buildroot-busybox.2317881.n4.nabble.com/PATCH-0-5-Support-for-musl-based-external-toolchains-td52730.html << buildroot apparently supports it
20:50 assbot Buildroot (busybox) - [PATCH 0/5] Support for musl based external toolchains ... ( http://bit.ly/1dADYyn )
21:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50231 @ 0.00051398 = 25.8177 BTC [-] {2}
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21:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00051347 = 13.8637 BTC [-]
21:24 asciilifeform meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0
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21:24 assbot BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLsEym )
21:25 shinohai but your bitcoind shall decimate correct asciilifeform
21:25 asciilifeform ..?
21:26 asciilifeform shinohai: i must point out that it isn't 'mine', but therealbitcon's (in the face of ben_vulpes and mod6)
21:26 shinohai it must make XT a distant memory
21:26 shinohai fair enuf
21:26 asciilifeform i just made a couplea patches
21:27 shinohai *overall foundation*
21:27 asciilifeform (most of which are, at present time, considered highly experimental and will not be making it into a release any time soon)
21:27 shinohai is there a node list i should consider?
21:27 asciilifeform shinohai: mircea_popescu has one up
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21:28 asciilifeform 188.68.240.167
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21:28 asciilifeform it is running his own personal, unpublished port of bitcoind
21:28 shinohai so -connect flag is sufficient?
21:28 asciilifeform since, i think, 2011
21:28 asciilifeform aha
21:28 * shinohai ^ did not know that
21:29 asciilifeform shinohai: my understanding is that mircea_popescu, with the help of trusted phriendz unknown to us, did something quite like therealbitcoin, early on
21:30 asciilifeform for the specific purpose of running mpex
21:31 shinohai interesting.
21:31 shinohai Such rich and mysterious history
21:34 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-06-2015#1173899
21:34 assbot Logged on 24-06-2015 02:59:50; mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever said anything about that.
21:34 asciilifeform all i can personally say about this is that it serves up (big fat surprise!) apparently correct blocks
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21:34 asciilifeform which is what we, in particular, care about, for this purpose.
21:35 asciilifeform and that it uses the traditional blkxxxx format to keep said blocks in: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-06-2015#1182019
21:35 assbot Logged on 30-06-2015 20:10:22; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt
21:37 asciilifeform and, possibly, that he did the Right Thing and sawed off wallet into a separate mechanism: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890284
21:37 assbot Logged on 23-10-2014 05:07:32; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?
21:37 asciilifeform and that's pretty much it
21:38 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu ever feels like saying any more on the subject, he can.
21:38 asciilifeform other than that, 'take it or leave it'
21:38 decimation asciilifeform: what is electrum other than 'wallet split from node'?
21:38 * asciilifeform can't comment re: 'electrum', never used
21:39 asciilifeform does it know how to communicate over a serial cable with a full node ?
21:39 asciilifeform or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack
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21:40 shinohai mircea_popescu has already provided an ample amount of reading between logs and trilema xD
21:40 * asciilifeform knows that one can 'theoretically' be turned into the other, but is not so much interested in the particulars as in the overall flavour of the design, as to whether it rejected networking to begin with
21:40 decimation it uses a tcp connection with a special block server I think
21:40 asciilifeform ugh
21:40 asciilifeform needs a custom bitcoind ?
21:40 asciilifeform wtf is the point
21:41 decimation yeah I think so, not sure
21:41 decimation https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server < "The server requires bitcoind, leveldb and plyvel"
21:41 assbot spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLtISX )
21:41 asciilifeform ick
21:41 decimation apparently it gloms onto rpc port
21:41 asciilifeform no thx
21:42 decimation what would an 'electrum replacement' need?
21:42 asciilifeform what is the purpose of said replacement ?
21:43 decimation okay, you have serial line connected to bitcoind
21:43 asciilifeform elementary
21:43 decimation how do I find txns for accounting in my wallet
21:43 decimation and send txns
21:43 asciilifeform thing on the other side needs to know how to sign a tx
21:43 decimation aye
21:43 asciilifeform the bitcoind, in turn, needs to know how to 1) crap out a proper tx for it to sign 2) eat the result
21:44 decimation account belongs on the public side?
21:44 asciilifeform account ?
21:44 asciilifeform public ?
21:44 decimation essentially, querying the blockchain for my txns
21:44 shinohai I can't get electrum right for shit. I did a test tx using pywallet to import a privkey
21:45 asciilifeform decimation: neither side, properly speaking, ought to be 'public'
21:45 decimation this goes to the ancient thread about what bitcoind should do
21:45 asciilifeform the full node is '-connect'ed to a public-facing node, yes
21:45 decimation so need to query for my txns
21:45 asciilifeform query the cutout (said full node)
21:46 decimation across serial cable?
21:46 asciilifeform aha
21:46 decimation okay, well that's essentially what electrum server does I guess
21:46 decimation except this feature could be integrated into bitcoind
21:46 asciilifeform except i'm not sure why this requires GBytes of rubbish
21:46 asciilifeform and weird dependencies
21:46 asciilifeform aha
21:46 decimation well, yeah
21:47 decimation !gettrust DanyAlos assbot
21:47 assbot Trust relationship from user DanyAlos to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=DanyAlos&to=assbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/
21:50 asciilifeform https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d << mega-l0l
21:50 assbot Breaking the house — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITq8zW )
21:51 decimation http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33362472 < "She told the BBC that "Children with autism didn't show this modulation at all - they took the same sniff for the smell of shampoo as they did for rotten fish." "They also showed that the more severe the symptoms of autism the longer the children inhaled the unpleasant smells. "
21:51 assbot Sniffing could provide autism test - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITqaYA )
21:51 asciilifeform 'Part of the functionality of our site is that we have to give out decrypted server seeds (to assure users no bet manipulation has occurred) and put a new random seed in place, essentially trashing the old revealed seed. Hufflepuff found a way to “confuse” our server, and made it give out a decrypted server seed that was also an active seed. This was done by sending it more requests than it could handle in a small time per
21:51 asciilifeform iod, think hundreds of requests in under a second. The result of this is that he knew all the information required to corroborate the outcomes of his bets. He knew whether if he would win or lose, and could wager accordingly.'
21:52 decimation lol why do they need to give seed
21:53 asciilifeform same reason 'satoshi dice' did ?
21:53 asciilifeform the whole 'provably fair' thing
21:53 decimation why not build physical source of entropy
21:53 asciilifeform because go & prove that it is a physical whatever, rather than a house-always-wins source
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00052155 = 10.6135 BTC [+]
21:54 asciilifeform same reason vegas uses prng (supplied, incidentally, by usg)
21:54 decimation if house always wins, people will realized and move on
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21:55 * asciilifeform doesn't care for either kind of dice game, cannot comment re: the appeal of 'provable' ones
21:56 asciilifeform one obvious observation, however, is that 'house' can never prove that it had not shared its seeds with a shill
21:56 decimation yeah, me neither, but sending the server seed seems like you are putting your balls on the chopping block
21:56 asciilifeform whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day
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21:56 decimation heh good point
21:57 asciilifeform iirc the satoshidice inventor offered a reward to anyone who might devise a means whereby he can prove that he doesn't do this
21:57 asciilifeform it was never claimed
21:57 asciilifeform now, it is not physically impossible to solve this problem
21:58 asciilifeform (see, for example, the 'millionaire protocol')
21:58 asciilifeform but afaik this was never pursued by anyone.
21:58 decimation I would think it would require examining the outcome of every player's bet
22:00 asciilifeform decimation: that is only needed when one is verifying the 'fair' bit
22:00 asciilifeform http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/poker-is-hard-especially-for.html << see also shamir's famous 'mental poker'.
22:00 assbot A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Poker is hard, especially for cryptographers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITruKY )
22:01 asciilifeform ^ contains a link to the original paper, for anyone unfamiliar.
22:02 decimation interesting.
22:07 asciilifeform http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-135.html << moar lulz. yet another (!) xen escape
22:07 assbot XSA-135 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLvIKF )
22:07 asciilifeform based on yet another piece of qemu cruft
22:07 decimation how much worse is docker?
22:08 asciilifeform (not to be confused with the last such, which relied on a flawed emulation of pc floppy card. this one uses nic.)
22:08 asciilifeform decimation: not comparable
22:08 asciilifeform afaik
22:08 decimation asciilifeform: did you see the cache telegraphy escape?
22:08 asciilifeform decimation: that's not an escaper
22:08 asciilifeform it's a known backchannel, yes
22:08 asciilifeform but not an arbitrary code exec thing
22:08 decimation aye
22:16 trinque decimation: docker's a piece of shit for its own reasons
22:17 trinque yet another "lets try to layer tape upon the turd and hope that solves the underlying derp of the system"
22:19 trinque whereas xen is a hypervisor, docker uses the linux containers thing, which effectively gives you multiple userspaces
22:19 trinque the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root
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22:19 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea
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22:19 assbot Rossem/RedditStorage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITu3wI )
22:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:19 decimation people have emphasized docker's security benefits
22:20 asciilifeform gotta love the 's333k000r1ty benefitz' of running a blob of hipsterystrange as root
22:20 trinque assuming the hardware, kernel, distro, docker, distro, and your proggy are perfect, sure!
22:21 decimation asciilifeform: maybe you can use systemd to boot it
22:22 trinque I would expect (as admittedly a casual in the kernel space) to find the same kinds of break-out flaws in docker and linux containers as are found all the time in xen
22:22 trinque and also, docker sets up and manages its own fancy virtual network between your containers
22:22 trinque so probably loads to be done to that thing too
22:23 shinohai i use docker on hashbang, but it is like a Rube Goldberg cartoon
22:23 trinque shinohai: yeah I used it on deedbot to make a final judgment
22:23 trinque fuckinthingsucks.gif
22:23 decimation does docker actually emulate a hardware nic like qemu
22:25 shinohai For instance, this may have been a forerunner of BTCXT http://notquant.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rube.gif
22:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuS8z )
22:25 trinque decimation: I believe so; inside your container you have your own network device
22:26 trinque shinohai: not byzantine enough
22:26 asciilifeform http://torrentfreak.com/elsevier-cracks-down-on-pirated-scientific-articles-150609 << somehow missed this when it was 'news'
22:26 assbot Elsevier Cracks Down on Pirated Scientific Articles | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuXJs )
22:26 mats no, it doesn't do device emulation
22:26 decimation asciilifeform: https://universonline.nl/2015/07/02/dutch-universities-start-their-elsevier-boycott-plan
22:26 assbot Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan | Univers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv2gh )
22:27 mats http://www.slideshare.net/jpetazzo/introduction-to-docker-and-a-bit-more-at-lspe-meetup-sunnyvale << according to this doc
22:27 assbot Introduction to Docker (and a bit more) at LSPE meetup Sunnyvale ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv3kh )
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14032 @ 0.00052155 = 7.3184 BTC [+]
22:28 mats slide 7 reads neither HVM nor PV
22:28 decimation asciilifeform: how are they gonna get an injunction against bookfi?
22:28 decimation isn't it based in ukraine?
22:29 asciilifeform usg colony
22:29 asciilifeform among the most eager to slurp up the cock
22:29 decimation seems lik an opportunity for ru
22:29 asciilifeform ru is on a 'dictatorship of the law' and 'property rights' kick
22:29 asciilifeform so doubtful
22:30 decimation lulz
22:30 decimation what about the days when su judge would consult telephone to moscow before ruling
22:33 decimation mats: it seems to be chroot with some device/pid/ipc space sharing
22:35 trinque mats: looks like it might be coming https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/9983
22:35 assbot Proposal: Network Drivers · Issue #9983 · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLxH1A )
22:42 mats ic
22:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00052155 = 15.2032 BTC [+]
22:57 decimation http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat."
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22:57 assbot Why Police Can Legally Shoot Fleeing Prison Escapees | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLzbsG )
22:57 decimation apparently if you commit a felony involving violence, the police can summarily execute you if the 'feel you pose a threat'
22:59 asciilifeform decimation: iirc, in mexico it is not unlawful to escape from a prison. (in the sense that such a prisoner will not have an additional sentence imposed if caught alive.) but, similarly to usa, it is permissible for police to shoot escapees if they feel like it.
22:59 decimation only if they feel you 'pose a threat'
23:01 decimation http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/19/obama-confuses-white-house-for-prison/ < related "?We should be reforming our criminal justice system in such a way that we are not incarcerating nonviolent offenders in ways that renders them incapable of getting a job after they leave office,? Obama said, effectively comparing being in prison to being in office."
23:01 assbot Obama Confuses 'White House' For 'Prison' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTdNuj )
23:02 asciilifeform related famous bushism: 'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.'
23:02 decimation heh
23:09 decimation http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/google-dev-apologizes-after-photos-app-tags-black-people-as-gorillas/ < lolz
23:09 assbot Google dev apologizes after Photos app tags black people as “gorillas” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA4BF )
23:10 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf << related mega-classic
23:10 assbot A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA8Bh )
23:11 decimation asciilifeform: this is terrible news, now all learning algorithms are going to need 'political filters'
23:11 decimation like a party political officer in every server
23:11 asciilifeform logical extension of 'party member in every elevator ride in every office'
23:13 decimation maybe if we end up in the same sharishka we can work on identifying the voice of traitors together
23:13 asciilifeform iirc the israelis have that scamarket cornered for decades
23:14 asciilifeform (a scamarket, naturally, consists of a crown concession to perpetrate a particular kind of scam.)
23:15 decimation note that scamarkets were generally the only market for most of history
23:15 asciilifeform wai wut
23:16 asciilifeform thinking of the guild system ?
23:16 decimation yeah, plus 'crown monopolies'
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23:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00051347 = 21.9252 BTC [-]
23:47 mod6 107+
23:48 mod6 er 207+
23:48 asciilifeform 306200+
23:48 asciilifeform looks like these are going at about same rate
23:49 mod6 nice
23:49 mod6 how long have you been sync'ing for now? 2 days?
23:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16849 @ 0.00051347 = 8.6515 BTC [-]
23:51 asciilifeform approx. 35 hrs
23:51 mod6 ah sweet.
23:51 mod6 typical sync via irc seeding took me ~6 days
23:52 mod6 seems like this is going faster, but we'll see how long it takes to go from 300k-350k
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