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00:01 felipelalli mircea_popescu: znc done. I hope I have configured it properly. If you see something weird again please tell me.
00:01 mircea_popescu win.
00:02 felipelalli \o/ lol
~ 34 minutes ~
00:37 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/ftw-iris-the-fbis-electronics-detection-canine-081816.mov/view
00:38 asciilifeform $up boolcrap
00:38 deedbot boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
00:38 asciilifeform shouldntya be in bed, boolcrap
00:42 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sibgrBo_WAI
00:43 asciilifeform kazahstan!111 greatest cuntry in ze w0ooooorld!1111
00:43 asciilifeform $s filtration system a marvel to behold
00:43 a111 0 results for "filtration system a marvel to behold", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=filtration%20system%20a%20marvel%20to%20behold
00:43 asciilifeform hm.
00:43 mircea_popescu dun hate, invader! they r gots the good skulcaps.
00:43 mircea_popescu and mercedi.
00:44 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfPrQqbikb4 <<
00:44 mircea_popescu in other youtube news, "mujeres solteras en argentina buscan hombres solteros"
00:44 mircea_popescu rank nonsense. what women ever sought lone men, i wish to see this wonder.
00:45 asciilifeform in spamlandia, anything is possible!
00:46 mircea_popescu lone may be excused, but no fucking way was it ever a selling point in the entire history of sexuate reproduction.
00:48 boolcrap stan joeseph goebbels
00:49 boolcrap how are you old friend
00:49 asciilifeform boolcrap: find yer key yet??
00:49 boolcrap no but i did find my way through page tables
00:49 boolcrap ;p
00:50 boolcrap its not really lost, just burried.
00:50 asciilifeform so find a shovel an' dig.
00:51 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy << obligatory.
00:53 boolcrap lol
00:53 boolcrap is that a giant comb? wtf is that from
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00:53 asciilifeform dunno, ask mircea_popescu .
00:53 asciilifeform but it applies.
00:53 * asciilifeform bbl.
00:55 mircea_popescu lol original impetuus there was big story back in 2013, dude threw out laptop, thousands of btc
00:56 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> phf intel says "roosh", ie some middle eastern looking kid.\ << Looks like he's trying too hard is my impression. Maybe becomes something if CLitler is elected.
00:56 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> that sounds very familiar << Runs the Return of Kink or whatever
00:57 mircea_popescu did a "fuck girls in every country". overlapped some countries with my network in them, lulz resulted.
00:58 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> what makes you think yours would win out ? << Yeah this is problem clinically addressed with oral vancomycin and one of the few problems addressed by that.
00:59 mircea_popescu yeah well, wasn't in his plane.,
00:59 mircea_popescu plan*
01:02 BingoBoingo aha
01:09 mircea_popescu in other non-news, lol @kim lacapria being all butthurt at gawker being thorn to shreds.
01:10 mircea_popescu you're right bitch, it SHOULD worry you all.
~ 15 minutes ~
01:25 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/the-tatu-party-bus-and-other-wasps/ << Trilema - The Tatu Party Bus and other wasps.
01:26 mircea_popescu ahahahaha wait wait ; huffington post now pays shitty spam network outbrain to push its crapolade nobody reads anyway ?
01:26 mircea_popescu oh what days.
~ 44 minutes ~
02:10 mircea_popescu "After dinner we went upstairs and I eased her onto my king-size bed. It took four hours of foreplay and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, no” until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina. No means no—until it means yes." << holy mother of ... well not of fuck, of ... snails, maybe ?
02:11 mircea_popescu who in his right fucking mind has four hours to spend thusly ? even if you're not making 100k an hour writing cia factbook entries, the time is gotta be worth enough to hire a hooker.
02:12 mircea_popescu how the fuck do these people always pick up this sort of incompetence ? oh, "dating advice from a loser who admits to spending four hours trying to get some derp to whatever, play dead fish for three minutes. presumably after spending 95 minutes trying to start his 1983 honda."
02:12 mircea_popescu "come see what zimmerman thinks about encryption - a guy who admits to losing his pgp key sometime in the 90s and doesn't see the problem with this"
02:13 mircea_popescu "here's how rms' laptop works - except it doesn't"
02:13 mircea_popescu is there some rule that "experts" in anglosphere must be ludicrously inept at their chosen expertise, as per their own lights ?
~ 4 hours 29 minutes ~
06:43 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526429 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526462 << OKAY OKAY, i lose this round. apparently i underestimated the malice in gnupg.... again. lol. (though, i wonder if the "bogus direct key signature import" applies to *subkeys*; but let's assume so, because, gnupg.)
06:43 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 00:57 phf: "Versions of GnuPG before 1.4.11 and 2.0.16 allowed to import bogus direct key signatures."
06:43 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 02:11 mircea_popescu: i guess we ping Framedragger ? or let him be ?
~ 2 hours 25 minutes ~
09:08 mircea_popescu Framedragger the problem here is moreover default trust. so you wake up one day and you see... "gnupg". nomina nuda. you look around, theres' "werner koch" idem, nomina nuda. you look, there's "tor" with "shari" and "isis". names, hollow as can be. but the natural tendency of the brain, to see movement in a succession of stills and meaning in noise and structure in names convinces you these are THINGS.
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09:08 mircea_popescu and for lack of obvious, pungent, loud alternative, you decide that... well... where's that quote
09:10 mircea_popescu "Pangloss enseignait la métaphysico-théologo-cosmolonigologie. Il prouvait admirablement qu’il n’y a point d’effet sans cause, et que, dans ce meilleur des mondes possibles, le château de monseigneur le baron était le plus beau des châteaux, et madame la meilleure des baronnes possibles.
09:10 mircea_popescu Il est démontré, disait-il, que les choses ne peuvent être autrement ; car tout étant fait pour une fin, tout est nécessairement pour la meilleure fin. Remarquez bien que les nez ont été faits pour porter des lunettes ; aussi avons-nous des lunettes. Les jambes sont visiblement instituées pour être chaussées, et nous avons des chausses. Les pierres ont été formées pour être taillées et pour en faire des châtea
09:10 mircea_popescu ux ; aussi monseigneur a un très beau château : le plus grand baron de la province doit être le mieux logé ; et les cochons étant faits pour être mangés, nous mangeons du porc toute l’année : par conséquent, ceux qui ont avancé que tout est bien ont dit une sottise ; il fallait dire que tout est au mieux."
09:11 mircea_popescu then ~I~'m supposedly "held", absurdly, to "demonstrate" and to "bring proof" and to "verify signature" against a ridiculous "default" constructed in this manner.
09:14 mircea_popescu which is the original point of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523089 : if for whatever reason you're unwilling to bias against pangloss, notwithstanding that this is both shown by experience to be a most productive, useful and eficacious heuristic as well as deductively sound ; nevertheless at the very least you can't bias FOR it.
09:14 a111 Logged on 2016-08-17 16:13 mircea_popescu: evidently, the socialist party does the exact same thing. for reasons of habit however, it doesn't irk you when they do it ; only when we do it.
09:14 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1g68
09:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
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09:34 mircea_popescu (the foregoing, outrageously, shamefully, shockingly, is merely a plain restatement of the intellectual scepticism requirement. in the ignare, barbarous world we find ourselves immersed, this apparently needs statement, because the concept has somehow been hijacked by the very fucking arlequins it's supposed to guard against, from "obama" to "roger ver" and the whole kaboodle of rotten, hollow reeds in between. which incident
09:34 mircea_popescu ally IS the absolutel measure of "how barbaric are the times ?" : look how many of the fortresses build to keep the barbarians out are actually working to keep them in.)
09:45 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the land of orlols, 'From a diplomatic perspective, it would be much more tidy to treat the problem of war criminals running the US as an internal, American political problem, to be solved by Americans themselves, with an absolute minimum of outside help. This would best be accomplished through a bit of friendly, neighborly intelligence-sharing, letting all interested parties within the US know who exactly should be hel
09:45 asciilifeform d responsible for these war crimes, what they and their family members look like, and where they live.'
09:45 asciilifeform ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/08/a-thousand-balls-of-flame.html )
09:45 mircea_popescu is he reading the logz or what.
09:45 asciilifeform him or handler.
09:46 * mircea_popescu is idly curious just how many "independent venues" will be reduced to "here's my inept restatement of logs" before the year/decade's out
09:46 asciilifeform half of the 313337 seeeek0000rity types nearly, already
09:46 asciilifeform at least the ones with ~anything to say.
09:47 mircea_popescu (all of which, of course, entirely oblivious to the fact that their "branding" entirely fails to work, for one, and of the global meaning of this sort of cultural crushing on the other)
09:47 asciilifeform derpus americanus can plagiarize essay in kindergarten and ~not feel like a dolt~
09:47 mircea_popescu not like i didn't put a fucking notice! on the very trilema!
09:48 mircea_popescu but apparently what i say is somehow optional rather not mandatory now or some weird shit.
09:49 asciilifeform what can i say, some patients make do with ordinary dildo, others - need 5-horsepower rectal educator.
09:49 shinohai $s 5-horsepower rectal educator
09:49 a111 1 result for "5-horsepower rectal educator", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=5-horsepower%20rectal%20educator
09:49 mircea_popescu in other news, i'm starting adnotation work on mega 110k word opus. possibly the only item of interest to come out of usian letters this year.
09:50 shinohai ^ for science
09:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who? mark twain ?
09:50 mircea_popescu s/this year/since ww2/
09:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform guy's dead! long long ago.
09:50 asciilifeform wellyes
09:51 mircea_popescu shinohai do you mean asscience ?
09:51 asciilifeform but he had something-or-other on time delay
09:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the title is "The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated."
09:51 * asciilifeform not familiar.
09:51 mircea_popescu so give it a few hours.
09:52 asciilifeform oh hah, one of ~these~
09:52 mircea_popescu the place produces scarce aught else.
09:53 asciilifeform http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-elliot-rodger-my-twisted-world-20140605-story.html << subj
09:53 asciilifeform rather, völkischer beobachter on subj.
09:54 shinohai mircea_popescu , I am rather disappoint that not a single person has responded to generous Eulora offer.
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09:55 shinohai making gpg key is too much I suppose.
09:55 mircea_popescu teh beoble want living wage! too dumb to otherwise feed self!
09:55 asciilifeform 'That night, I threw a wild tantrum, screaming and crying for hours on end. I had the whole apartment to myself, so there was no one there to hear me. I raged at the entire world, thrashing at my bed with my wooden practice sword and slashing at the air with my pocket knife. I even downed an entire bottle of wine, and got so drunk that I spilled my wine all over my laptop, permanently destroying it. I soaked my pillow with tears as I
09:55 asciilifeform drifted off to sleep in my lonely bed.'
09:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you're gonna liek... ruin it nao, i'm just not gonna say next time!
09:55 asciilifeform lolk
~ 1 hours 23 minutes ~
11:19 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527439 << Spaceballs!!
11:19 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 04:53 boolcrap: is that a giant comb? wtf is that from
11:21 danielpbarron https://youtu.be/g3iFJpGJiug << the scene
~ 33 minutes ~
11:54 thestringpuller lol "we're combing the desert" i always thought the afro pick was a nice touch. they don't make movies like that anymore.
11:56 shinohai http://archive.is/TZTOB <<< interesting article on how usg might go about quashing armed rebellion.
11:58 asciilifeform shinohai: quite anticlimactic article. 'with soldiers' - mega-surprise ?
11:58 asciilifeform no mention of death ray, either!11111
12:00 shinohai ah
12:00 thestringpuller asciilifeform: never mention the death ray!!!!11
12:00 asciilifeform probably linked for the lulgem, 'It’s interesting to note that many of the Constitutional protections afforded to American citizens still apply to those in arms against the government. For instance, federal judges will still have to authorize wiretaps on rebel phones during all phases of the federal response.'
12:00 asciilifeform ... and i got a bridge to sell.
12:02 mircea_popescu hahaha
12:02 mircea_popescu anyway, ~everyone figured out by now the usg can not continue.
12:02 mircea_popescu hence all this bloviation.
12:02 phf i always assumed lizard hitler death ray is activated by total recall style machinery, complete with four fingered alien hand shape on the switch
12:03 mircea_popescu what's death ray do again ?
12:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in this case i was thinking of the microwave blaster thing
12:04 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527507 << would I qualify for offer, or is only for new people?
12:04 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 13:54 shinohai: mircea_popescu , I am rather disappoint that not a single person has responded to generous Eulora offer.
12:04 mircea_popescu PeterL you'd prolly qualify, yea, unless oyu got large mining skills ?
12:05 PeterL have not set up game yet, but I have been thinking it might be fun to try
12:05 mircea_popescu go for it.
12:05 mircea_popescu #trilema 1 : whole-rest-of-"world" : 0
12:11 thestringpuller asciilifeform: has been reading too many comic books.
12:13 asciilifeform https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237198201_Design_of_95_GHz_100_kW_Gyrotron_for_Active_Denial_System_Application << build yer own.
12:14 asciilifeform https://justpaste.it/19ha << 2.4GHz, not quite as spiffy, but with pretty picturez.
12:16 shinohai ^ with tubez yet
12:17 asciilifeform meanwhile prb 'almost ready' for phork, https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/08/23/release-0.13.0
12:18 asciilifeform and let's also introduce a new lulzvector! -- 'There’s no need for the node to receive the transaction a second time if it still has the first copy. Compact block relay (BIP152) can eliminate this redundancy by allowing a node to receive from its peers an ordered list of what transactions are included in a new block. With this knowledge, the node can use the transactions it has already received to partly or fully reconstruct the tr
12:18 asciilifeform ansactions part of the block for itself. If the node doesn’t receive all the transactions it needs to fully reconstruct the block, it requests the missing transactions from its peers, and then uses them to complete the block.'
12:19 mircea_popescu should be interesting.
12:21 asciilifeform 'This incentivization scheme is often called Child Pays For Parent (CPFP). In the simplest version, miners group a transaction and all of its ancestors together, calculating their total fee-per-byte in order to determine whether mining them together pays a high enough fee to outbid other individual transactions the miner wants to include in its next block.' << ain't that O(N^2) ?
12:22 asciilifeform (aside from 'wtf, why')
12:22 asciilifeform in fact, it isn't N^2, but potentially exponential (knapsack)
12:23 asciilifeform and if this were not enough, now we get Official arm binaries, with 'These binaries are designed for Linux using GNU libc6'
12:24 mircea_popescu well, gitian.
12:25 mircea_popescu anyway, why : because merchants want to be able to "service" the inept consumer by tacking on extra fees if they get delayed.
12:25 mircea_popescu note that this is hardly a change in any sense.
12:26 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> is there some rule that "experts" in anglosphere must be ludicrously inept at their chosen expertise, as per their own lights ? << Yes, if every "expert" sucks then tournament market doesn't need a very sweet pot for the winrar.
12:26 mircea_popescu sick gainz.
12:28 PeterL am I correct that we (specifically asciilifeform) decided that a transaction should not be accepted/relayed if its parents are not already in a block?
12:28 asciilifeform PeterL: correct.
12:28 asciilifeform as per the 'NEVER something-for-nothing-to-allcomers' principle.
12:31 asciilifeform 'Backing up an HD wallet ensures that you will be able to re-generate any private keys produced by that wallet in the future...' << lift hdd contents via nsa lizardport once, lift coin that chump gets hold of years later !
12:33 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-partners-up-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Bitfinex Partners Up For Your Loss
12:36 mircea_popescu PeterL what's contemplated here is a) miner's internal kitchen, which he's allowed to do on the grounds of having paid for the gear ; b) not substantially different, you can just regard the two txn as one, provided you know about both.
12:36 mod6 (22:56) <@mod6> and don't forget to grab:
12:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i understand, PeterL was pointing out that trb does not relay the ingredients desired in this kitchen.
12:36 asciilifeform which is correct.
12:36 mircea_popescu basically prb is trying to act as a sort of bitcoin mining code repository ; some of the miners contribute some of the less critical code and well... github.
12:37 mod6 oops, sry.
12:37 PeterL so miner running trb-esque thing would not have second transaction
12:37 mircea_popescu miner runnign trb-esque thing only would not, right. the first gets cut off because fees, the second because unknown inputs.
12:37 asciilifeform this piece was put in as attempt to disincentivize connection to trb nodes.
12:38 asciilifeform specifically.
12:38 mircea_popescu nah.
12:38 PeterL but will trb accept block with chain of transactions in it?
12:38 asciilifeform block.
12:38 asciilifeform never mempool.
12:38 mircea_popescu it was put in because they're desperate for relevancy ; and it was free code ; and more code is more better.
12:38 asciilifeform (everybody, to date, accepts same blocks...)
12:39 PeterL otherwise would fork, no?
12:39 mircea_popescu yes.
12:39 asciilifeform by definition.
12:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some miners already seemed to be running software that looked for "Child Pays For Parent" situations.
12:39 mircea_popescu trb is however distinguished by being the most acceptant. so...
12:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo for a year or more.,
12:40 asciilifeform recall the mit mega-leak (meanwhile 'unhappened') re bribing miners ?
12:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I thought since 2013 though some operations turn over
12:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform back before they got smushed on eth, when they thought they got money and a voice ? yeah, i remember.
12:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, been a while.
12:42 asciilifeform 'parent for child' gives usg a new place to spend the waterfall - as subsidies for 'expediting' Officially Blessed tx.
12:42 mircea_popescu lol what waterfall.
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12:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I don't think there was a time since I came into communion with the proto-republic where it wasn't the case.
12:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No. Miners already were looking for those situations to collect fees. This is just dump a bunch of unnecessary turdcode on the masses
12:43 mircea_popescu eh, usg's problem is that it ain't got no money; not that it ain't got where to use the money it has.
12:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: understand, 'these situations' can only exist for so long as somebody relays tx-with-ancestors-only-in-mempool.
12:44 asciilifeform which is to say, chumps, permitting freeloading on their machine resource.
12:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Miners always had slutty mempools.
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13:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527586 << waterfall outlets are not merely for spending coin stolen by usg to date (via pre-trial confiscations, transport searches, nsa pwnholes, etc) but for 'fyoootoor, planned' IOUcoin that is to be somehow rolled out.
13:02 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 16:42 mircea_popescu: lol what waterfall.
13:02 mircea_popescu heh
13:03 asciilifeform y'know, sorta like nazis had all of su divided into gau, and appointed gauleiters, and even land allotments, even in '41.
13:08 asciilifeform lizards nailed gold, and 'eternally refight the last war', just about all prb-isms are elements of 'here's where we can apply conservation-law-violation crowbar when we finally get hold of one'
13:08 mircea_popescu eh. unlike the us, the reich worked.
13:08 asciilifeform e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920116
13:08 a111 Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
13:11 asciilifeform a full frontal attack against the total issue cap would've been laughably stupid, so they will try ~every other possible angle.
13:12 BingoBoingo Question http://qntra.net/2016/08/rng-whitening-bug-weakened-all-versions-of-gpg/#comment-67915
13:12 asciilifeform for whom ?
13:13 BingoBoingo For answer!
13:13 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/paypal-freezes-bundy-accounts-over-rebellion-against-federal-government/ << Qntra - PayPal Freezes Bundy Accounts Over Rebellion Against Federal Government
13:13 mircea_popescu laughably stupid never prevented them before.
13:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/08/rng-whitening-bug-weakened-all-versions-of-gpg/#comment-67939 << answr.
13:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc it was tried, the doge thing
13:16 asciilifeform (where is it now ?)
13:16 mircea_popescu marketing always wins!
13:16 mircea_popescu EVERYONE ELSE CONTRIBUTES TO COSTS!!! DOGE CONTRIBUTES TO SALES!!!1
13:16 mircea_popescu fucktards.
13:29 asciilifeform https://laanwj.github.io/2016/05/06/hostility-scams-and-moving-forward.html << lulz, from mouth of current prb chair.
13:31 mircea_popescu derp actually was dumb enough to cover for vessenes/merck and the rest of the scammer band ?
13:31 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4965zi/it_is_time_to_talk_about_laanwj_wladimir_j_van << pinoy gold re same.
13:31 mircea_popescu pretty shockingly dumb.
13:32 asciilifeform 'Given the contentious situation we are living it is just my opinion that laanwj has the moral obligation to give the keys back to Gavin. Satoshi can be considered a person who passed away and last will was to have Gavin in control.'
13:32 asciilifeform didja know.
13:32 mircea_popescu lmao
13:32 asciilifeform gets better:
13:32 asciilifeform ' If ever there were a situation crying out for a smart contract - this is it.'
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13:32 mircea_popescu "But it is even worse when many of those attacks are agitated by someone that purports to be part of your own project. Not just involved with, even leading projects whose developers and users are openly hostile to us."
13:32 mircea_popescu hurr ?
13:33 asciilifeform '... laanwj is the one who actually holds all the control over bitcoin protcol for now. '
13:33 asciilifeform didjaknow.
13:33 mircea_popescu well, prb anyway.
13:34 asciilifeform 'I see nothing wrong with having anonymous/pseudonymous contributors in an open source project, especially controversial ones like #bitcoin' << from https://twitter.com/orionwl , attributed to subj.
13:35 mircea_popescu neither do i.
13:36 asciilifeform i imagine fella means something quite different from 'every man has own v-tree and can apply patch he bought in back alley if he likes.'
13:36 mircea_popescu also, orion is noot laan afaik
13:36 mircea_popescu imagination is no subject of law.
13:36 * asciilifeform does not make law
13:39 asciilifeform https://gist.github.com/laanwj/9e5e404266a8956beabde522f97c421b#file-blatsting-txt-L362 << from earlier link, notes on reversing of recent nsa crapolade.
13:41 * mircea_popescu got his hands fulla retard as it is.
13:41 asciilifeform 'BLATSTING's implementers are a big fan of mmap. It seems to be used for all file access, not just for manipulating kernel memory through `/dev/mem`. Is it done this way to reduce the number of system calls, to be less conspicious, as well as not reveal what exactly is accessed when running in `strace`? Or maybe a later stage of the rootkit blocks certain kinds of syscalls on certain "hidden" files.'
13:44 phf clever
13:44 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/pokemon-go-fad-already-over/ << Qntra - Pokemon Go Fad Already Over
13:46 asciilifeform http://www.clifford.at/icestorm << yet another fpga reversing effort.
13:46 asciilifeform ^ not news
13:47 asciilifeform https://archive.is/Chnsl << 'no waterfall.' noose.
13:47 asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ .
13:47 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not news, Roundup Xtend material
13:48 BingoBoingo Unless someone else wants to support case of noose
13:48 BingoBoingo Or you make a case for news
13:49 asciilifeform linked item largely a snore.
13:49 asciilifeform 'anonymous buyer who may or may not exist bought bag of coin which may or may not have been there'
13:52 BingoBoingo Yeah, kinda why if it still seems fresh enough this weekend will be roundup xtended
13:52 mircea_popescu mmap is the right tool!
13:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite!
13:53 mircea_popescu found the one lone dude still competent in the whole shit fondue fountain-castle.
13:53 mircea_popescu and he prolly had to fight with management over it.
13:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the leaked widgets give a pretty good impression of the production quality, actually
13:54 asciilifeform very reasonably engineered material.
13:54 mircea_popescu count the hands.
13:54 asciilifeform waiwat
13:54 asciilifeform how am i to count the hands, i dun work there
13:54 mircea_popescu but you got the code.
13:55 mircea_popescu the one true shocker (and unsurprisingly fishwraps avoid the mention) is just how few hands were involved.
13:56 mircea_popescu a dozen people (if that) carry on their "very reasonably engineered" with flecks of "right thing" a la mmap shoulders THOUSANDS of fucking social media monkeys and assorted barn animals ; they see a paltry few thousands out of the BILLIONS this shitfest burns each year ; and they don't even have good parking spaces.
13:56 asciilifeform from asciilifeform's 'seeeekrit evidential' sources, there are ~300 men, plus several thou 'contractors', of which perhaps 1 in 10 is a trojan writer in the usual sense, and the rest '0day finder' monkeys, operations 'trigger pullers', and similar.
13:57 asciilifeform and naturally a full platoon administrative, 'diverse veteran-hire' barn animals for each of these folk.
13:57 asciilifeform *of
13:58 mircea_popescu i think they're slimming.
13:59 asciilifeform the contractors live off-campus, working out of, e.g., raytheon, grumman, lockheed, and a bunch of 'small minority-owned businesses' (tm), and generally specialize in 'tools', rather than particular ops
14:02 asciilifeform re the 'crowbars' from earlier, we have a 'This BIP defines a new witness program type that uses a Merkle tree to encode mutually exclusive branches in a script. This enables complicated redemption conditions that are currently not possible, improves privacy by hiding unexecuted scripts, and allows inclusion of non-consensus enforced data with very low or no additional cost.'
14:02 asciilifeform ( https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0114.mediawiki )
14:02 asciilifeform 'here's what we gonna do when we get the rapehole in'
14:03 asciilifeform 'we'll have tx whose outputs depend on the text of next month's new york times, fuckyou'
14:05 asciilifeform it helps to also remember that 'text of new york times' can - and often does - retro-mutate.
14:05 asciilifeform which is naturally a coveted wet dream of the enemy, retconning blocks.
14:06 asciilifeform or 'not-quite-blocks', 'segregated shitnesses', or what are they calling pseudo-blox today, i lost track.
14:06 phf there is nothing wrong with your television set. do not attempt to adjust the picture.
14:07 asciilifeform their entire toolkit, when confronted with something that 'mysteriously' refuses to die when asked nicely, appears to consist of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511945
14:07 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 00:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ? tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
14:08 asciilifeform it isn't even a wholly ineffectual tool - worked on, e.g., linux.
14:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nothing obliges you to accept transactions that don't conform.
14:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg
14:09 asciilifeform rejecting thousands of turds per hours as it is.
14:09 asciilifeform *hour
14:09 mircea_popescu sure, this will prolly "be implemented" ; then some idiots will "use it" ; then we'll get some "oh mp is a scammer because i sent him 5 btc he's not recognizing" threads on reddit.
14:09 mircea_popescu i'll care deeply.
14:10 mircea_popescu just as much as i cared about the 2012 variant.
14:11 asciilifeform there will (and perhaps already are) a multitude of chumpers who believe they have X btc, while really they have some quantity Q, possible 0, of actual btc, and X-Q of gavinola, which consists of tx, somehow elaborately processed, that trb rejects as noise, and display as wtf 'shot into the sun' crapolade in any civilized block viewer
14:12 mircea_popescu so ?
14:12 mircea_popescu there's also people who imagine they "have a voice" ; or "social media power" or whatnot.
14:12 mircea_popescu there's the regular idiots who think themselves "rich", esr style.
14:12 asciilifeform it is laughable, but appears to have successfully depressed, e.g., gold price.
14:12 asciilifeform (~same process)
14:12 mircea_popescu there's no end to the human capacity for self delusion - which is fundamentally the point of our discussion coupla days ago. you can't have a protocol that keeps people from being stupid.
14:14 mircea_popescu do you know how many people think "500 followers" means 500 followers ?
14:14 mircea_popescu do you know how many people think they have "money in the bank", a la http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ ?
14:14 mircea_popescu for that matter, do you know how many think they have seven sons ?
14:15 ben_vulpes more tragically, do you know how many social media mommies think that 20 likes on instagram trump 3 girlfriends who'll come over and hold their kid while the smm sobs over a lost parent?
14:15 mircea_popescu ~all english speaking ones.
14:15 ben_vulpes it's tragic!
14:16 mircea_popescu stupidity is always tragic to the stupid.
14:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: earlier observation is just that - observation. that turdmeisters apparently wish to live as cockroaches in the crevices of bitcoin, instead of issuing 'honest' plainly labeled usg alt.
14:16 mircea_popescu i find it mildly amusing.
14:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they got nuked, currently is all they can try for.
14:16 mircea_popescu who knows, maybe stephen still wears red pants next year ; or maybe brown ; or maybe dead.
14:16 ben_vulpes it's an excellent opportunity to teach about the stealing being stolen.
14:16 asciilifeform this is not only angled as 'we'll sell i-cant-believe-its-not-bitcoin to rubes', but also piggybacks on honest nodes' storage and bandwidth.
14:17 mircea_popescu i don't see how you can be forced to store txn you dun wanna.
14:17 mircea_popescu after all - it pays per kb.
14:17 asciilifeform if it's in a block.
14:17 asciilifeform then i gotta.
14:17 mircea_popescu still :)
14:17 mircea_popescu the other side of "segwit" is that there will NEVER be a block size increase. period and full stop.
14:18 mircea_popescu given the dilemma of http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ the choice was to find a solution that doesn't brick extant miners. understandably.
14:18 mircea_popescu this is all fine. and they're more than welcome to hold whatever sidechain db in whatever manner until they fall over.
14:18 asciilifeform node operation, in the present implementation of the braindamage, is almost a 'religious' act
14:19 mircea_popescu you can count on 1`000`000 bytes ~ every six minutes til kingdom come. that's your bitcoin footprint.
14:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'segwit' thing is, as i understand, intended as a protocol hardfork - to isolate trb users.
14:20 mircea_popescu that they make segwit ; that we make deedbot (the two are not even vaguely dissimilar, by the way, except prb doesn't know how to code cleanly), is really nobody's problem.
14:20 mircea_popescu psh.
14:21 mircea_popescu heck, we might even implement sidechains of whatever fashionable flavour of the month, as a bold-on, if anyone's bored enough.
14:21 mircea_popescu though it should not happen prior to 2018, i expect a lot of dao-lolz coming out of what's fundamentally a middling design.
14:21 * asciilifeform cannot speak for others, but is neither 'bored enough' nor sees the point.
14:22 mircea_popescu hey, freedom's about liberty.
14:22 shinohai I'll gladly make someone coloured coin and relieve them of good BTC
14:22 asciilifeform how come nobody (afaik) ever tried this, btw, with paper money ?
14:22 asciilifeform 'usd with prime serial # is now worth xxxx!11111'
14:24 mircea_popescu but they did.
14:24 asciilifeform i knew it! mircea_popescu will answer 'that one time in new york in '68...'
14:24 asciilifeform let's hear story?
14:24 mircea_popescu lol no, this was variously done.
14:24 phf try buying a $1000 bill for less than $1700
14:25 asciilifeform phf: not comparable
14:25 mircea_popescu case of "only odd digit is good from now on" instead of making new currency, to stablize
14:25 asciilifeform phf: these never circulated
14:25 mircea_popescu also case of "converbile - but only so and so numbers monday ; so and so tuesday" etc.
14:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: state-operated devaluations also not same
14:25 mircea_popescu to get you the actual pointers i'd have to dig out through my official history of currency trainingbook which i continents ago misplaced.
14:25 asciilifeform i was thinking of direct analogue of 'coloured coin', that is, 'issued' by derp who has 0 connection to the mint
14:26 mircea_popescu ah, no.
14:26 asciilifeform devaluations - are old hat.
14:26 mircea_popescu i suppose some soapy smith somewhere did something like this.
14:26 asciilifeform i personally played with massive shoebox of rubles as a boy, and buncha other folk here also.
14:27 mircea_popescu also money lottery was popular in the time of voltaire
14:27 mircea_popescu (anyone up to date on the lulz that passed for fiscal management of the kingdom back in 1750s ? )
14:27 asciilifeform 'redeem banknote with five sixes for 666!' ?
14:27 mircea_popescu well, state issued "rents", ie, you give them so much and they give you so much back.
14:27 mircea_popescu then didn't pay.
14:27 mircea_popescu so they devalued
14:28 asciilifeform how does that differ from modern bond bezzle ?
14:28 mircea_popescu THEN came up with idea of lottery, to repay full value for the serials took from a hat.
14:28 mircea_popescu then voltaire andsome friends bought all the emissions and so "won" the "lottery"
14:28 mircea_popescu really, the 1700s are more instructive to the student of modern finance than any available material.
14:28 mircea_popescu turns out pretense empire always dies the same ways.
14:29 asciilifeform i see 'coloured coin' as a fundamentally distinct type of chumpatron, 'let's monetize blue Turbo chewing gum wrappers!1111' 'and oh btw i totally don't have a shoebox full of blue'
14:29 asciilifeform it is 'alt with premining' by modern parlance, possibly.
14:29 mircea_popescu nah. the original colored coins was a "let's do mpex over bitcoin network because mp is something you can replace by a napkin sketch of a protocol"
14:29 mircea_popescu ie, THESE coins are now going to be SHARES in so and so.
14:30 asciilifeform well yes.
14:30 asciilifeform blue-turbos are SHARES!111
14:30 asciilifeform ('in what?' 'in this big pot of real money you idiots gave me for them, that i PROMISE!1111 never to spend')
14:31 mircea_popescu yeah well there is also that.
14:31 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/cost-of-wrong-kitty-litter-escalates-into-the-billions-following-nuclear-waste-accident/ << Qntra - Cost Of Wrong Kitty Litter Escalates Into The Billions Following Nuclear Waste Accident
14:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didntcha have 'turbo' in mircea_popesculandia circa late 80s
14:33 asciilifeform or did i dream this.
14:33 mircea_popescu surely.
14:33 mircea_popescu iirc i even told the story of the gambling game i devised which made me uber rich
14:33 mircea_popescu should be somewhere in ancient logs.
14:34 phf http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-of-16-RARE-TURBO-CARS-CHEWING-GUM-WRAPPERS-/291376044747
14:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-07#1045502 << found only this.
14:34 a111 Logged on 2015-03-07 16:12 mircea_popescu: turbo was for kids tho, we had the one before that. with fake money.
14:35 asciilifeform phf: holy shit, i half-suspected i had the last extant examples.
14:36 mircea_popescu https://colectionaruldesurprize.wordpress.com/01-turbo/01_turbo_1-50/
14:36 BingoBoingo anyways asciilifeform The auction made qntra early
14:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, them!
14:36 diana_coman hm, deedbot handed me 2 broomsticks before handing the OTP link (in the third try)
14:36 phf i remember that aston martin one it was a much coveted item because of the cyberpunk lady http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6pAAAOSwZ8ZW2yJW/s-l1600.jpg in fact i remember half of these.
14:36 mircea_popescu i think the yellow tvr was the most valuable.
14:37 asciilifeform i remember ~all of these.
14:37 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: was any of this a thing on your side of the ocean ?
14:37 mircea_popescu no lol. these are turkish makers.
14:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not sure. I am a young-ish.
14:38 asciilifeform i'd be surprised if even today schoolboys did not have these 'spontaneous monetizations'
14:38 asciilifeform (but of ~what~ now, i have deeply nfi.)
14:39 phf http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-Super-Turbo-Chewing-Gum-Old-School-Bubble-Gum-Childhood-/161889537081
14:39 asciilifeform (... pokemon wrappers? )
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14:39 phf everything is digital and commerce is microagression anyway
14:40 BingoBoingo microagressions aren't real. There's just actual aggressions and thinskinned butthurt
14:40 asciilifeform in one of the american schools i went to as a kid, they had 'magic the gathering'
14:40 asciilifeform (of later mtgox fame)
14:40 asciilifeform was quite reminiscent of the chewing gum.
14:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they don't. these spontaneous monetizations are spontaneous from an interplay of sexuality and violence which does not exist in anglo world.
14:41 mircea_popescu aha phf has it.
14:41 asciilifeform i did not go to ~these~ schools, no.
14:41 asciilifeform so - nfi
14:41 mircea_popescu the ~reason we monetized these was because a) we'd snowball the girls into little piles as soon as the snow came and b) we'd wrestle hundreds of times a day.
14:41 asciilifeform but 'naturam expellas furca tamen usque recurret' (tm) (r) so betcha they have SOMETHING.
14:42 mircea_popescu yes, but it's stupid.
14:42 phf ah the old art of wrestling the girl into snow
14:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: stupid vs bubblegum wrap ?
14:42 mircea_popescu phf that was a banned maneuver in my place.
14:42 asciilifeform how do you make that.
14:43 asciilifeform also i dun see the connection with wrestling (in what school do little kids not wrestle one another?)
14:43 phf there's mtg but there's not even trade around mtg, afaiu it is heavily mediated through parents "so it that it's fair"
14:43 asciilifeform lol!
14:43 asciilifeform i can almost picture this.
14:44 mircea_popescu 10yo acceptable maneuvers re girls were a) throwing soft snowball (really hard iced ones were for boys only!) ; sticking snow behind neck but only if done with trickery (ie, if the girl was aware she's about to get it you couldn't do it) and finally pulling pants off. bonus points if also underwear.
14:44 mircea_popescu that was more of a summer thing though.
14:44 * asciilifeform distinctly recalls recent case of boy condemned to insane asylum in usaschwitz for pulling pants off gurl.
14:45 mircea_popescu nuts.
14:45 mircea_popescu anyway, it got pretty much all of the girls wearing dresses.
14:45 mircea_popescu somehow lifting skirt was not ever contemplated.
14:45 phf i think wrestle also required trickery
14:45 mircea_popescu kidlogic.
14:46 mircea_popescu phf by and large the deep driver being that girls at that age suck, being as they are ~marmots. babyfat bubbles on uneasy legs.
14:46 phf because you couldn't really test strength against girl, that was inconceivable and those who tried were just weirdos (not to mention testing strength against girl the fuck), but if you managed to do a sneak drop
14:47 mircea_popescu ah, yeah, ankle hook was permitted. if you count that as wrestling.
14:47 mircea_popescu tho in fairness more girls got boys that way.
14:47 phf lies!
14:47 asciilifeform ;;later tell felipelalli y'know, znc is supposed to go on RELIABLE, remote box... not the comp on your desk.
14:47 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:47 mircea_popescu true truth, i saw it.
14:48 mircea_popescu ahahahaha check it out!
14:48 mircea_popescu he... installed znc.
14:48 asciilifeform apparently.
14:48 mircea_popescu adorbs.
14:48 asciilifeform reminds me of the old saw with 'yer suppose to ~take~ the bc pill, for it to work'
14:48 mircea_popescu you know the "is it true aspirin is contraceptive" ?
14:48 asciilifeform aha.
14:48 asciilifeform 'put between knees'
14:48 mircea_popescu AND HOLD IT THERE.
14:49 felipelalli asciilifeform: I know :p but I don't know znc just died.
14:49 mircea_popescu pretty ridoinculous seeing how half the time i fuck girl with knees together.
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14:49 felipelalli I started it again.
14:49 mircea_popescu felipelalli you're supposed to get a cheap vps and run znc there.
14:49 mircea_popescu if you run it on yoru desktop is no better than your normal ircf client
14:52 felipelalli mircea_popescu: it's better than my notebook :) I'm pretty sure my cleaning lady plugged the computer off. OK, you guys win, I'll pay a vps shit just to install this little shit.
14:52 mircea_popescu ah ok.
14:53 mircea_popescu a little vps is useful to have anyway. it's one of those things, like a shed. once you have it - uses abound.
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16:00 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
16:00 gribble Current Blocks: 426557 | Current Difficulty: 2.1737548275723764E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 427391 | Next Difficulty In: 834 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 9 hours, 8 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
16:01 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
16:01 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 580.98, vol: 4867.18938293 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.723, vol: 8617.84272 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 584.06, vol: 5182.97466007 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 579.65, vol: 5224.2319025 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 580.035933, vol: 78155.69660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 582.81, vol: 955.74625799 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 581.35, vol: 1249.93228217 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 580.519255, vol: (1 more message)
16:03 asciilifeform ;;later tell phf http://www.apmex.com/category/61100/1-000-frns-1928-1934 << lulzy re earlier thread.
16:03 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:04 asciilifeform elsewhere, 'One thousand dollar bills may seem rare and exotic to the casual observers. The latest series date is 1934A. Surprisingly though, $1,000 bills were seen in circulation up until the early 1970s. You could still order them from banks in the 1960s. It is not uncommon for older Americans to take them to the bank to try to get face value today. Of course we wouldn’t recommend selling them for face value. Only severely impair
16:04 asciilifeform ed examples should be worth face value. All other notes are definitely collectible. Some $1,000 bills can be worth several thousand dollars each. Your standard value for a generic note in lightly circulated condition is probably $1,600.'
16:04 asciilifeform 'It should go without saying that at the time when most $1,000 bills were printed that they were virtually unobtainable for the average American citizen. We are specifically talking about 1928 and 1934 notes. You can only imagine what kind of purchasing power a $1,000 bill had during the great depression. What is really amazing is that $1,000 bills were first issued during the 1860s. You would have to be extremely wealthy to ever eve
16:04 asciilifeform n see a one thousand dollar bank note issued before 1900. That is why large size $1,000 bills are so rare today. If you were rich enough to see one, you were smart enough to not keep it. Currency didn't really become collectible until the 1950s. There was no reason to save a $1,000 bill. You were just losing out on the interest it could be earning.'
16:05 asciilifeform ( source, http://www.antiquemoney.com/old-one-thousand-dollar-bill-value-price-guide << another numismatic-type vendor )
16:06 BingoBoingo ;;more
16:06 gribble 636679.885816 | Volume-weighted last average: 580.519926911
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16:59 shinohai BingoBoingo: dooli added you to list doolipail/cat-lovers <<< I suppose due to latest kitty-litter Qntra in rss feed
16:59 BingoBoingo lol
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17:27 znort987 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526766 << for the record, not 'as we speak'. kako was helpful during the hand-over in May/Early June. rating was also given to exercise my understanding of the wot.
17:27 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 15:26 asciilifeform: is being 'helped' by kako as we speak, likely.
17:29 asciilifeform znort987: are you familiar with how there came to be a #trilema ?
17:29 asciilifeform and with why kakobrekla is not to be found there ?
17:32 BingoBoingo For that we need to go back to the Egyptian Scientists and that time Big headed Yakub invented white folk as the perfect slave race.
17:32 asciilifeform lel
17:33 znort987 asciilifeform: yes, I spent the last week or so reading the logs in both parallel universes before I dip my toes in the waters of irc.
17:33 BingoBoingo But Big Headed Yakub made white folk wrong!
17:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: paintgun, ran out of paint, everybuddyknowz.
17:33 znort987 so fully aware. also don't have a dog in this fight. like I said was trying to see how the wot worked and gave rating where I felt they were due
17:35 asciilifeform znort987: there is not - unfortunately - yet a fully decentralized (see 'gossipd' thread) wot mechanism. but there are at least 3 centralized wotrons. in order of age: -otc wot; kakobreklan ('assbot') wot; and #trilema wot.
17:36 asciilifeform most of the users of each successive wotron left the previous one 'to the worms and flies' and quit updating ratings therein.
17:37 znort987 asciilifeform: yeah, I had that conversation in the other universe. I actually had assumed - given who hangs here - that wot was just gpg keys giving rating to gpg keys and that as long as signed ratings were broadcast far and wide, there was no need for central server. but then I was wrong and discovered the 3-headed snake. I think I'm more or less up to date now.
17:38 asciilifeform the 'keys rating keys' thing does not yet exist.
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17:38 trinque and for that matter *should*
17:38 znort987 asciilifeform: yeah, like I said, I assumed.
17:38 asciilifeform trinque: it was part of mircea_popescu's original gossipd spec.
17:39 trinque aha, I'm not gonna bolt some sweet shit on the side of deedbot til gossipd
17:39 trinque :D
17:39 asciilifeform trinque: well it wouldn't make any sense as a deedbot component
17:39 znort987 trinque: one point that was raised (in other chan) around the gpg keys signing ratings of other keys was how to handle revoked keys.
17:40 asciilifeform (though i suppose it could ~store~ the key-rated-key item as easily as anything else could)
17:40 trinque could do the chattering to other deedbots about ratings if ratings were signed matter fed to deedbot via pastebin
17:40 asciilifeform znort987: key revocation is not actually a thing
17:40 trinque phf and I have briefly discussed it
17:41 znort987 asciilifeform: mmh. ok, I'll bite. why ?
17:41 asciilifeform znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is.
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17:41 asciilifeform $s revocation
17:41 a111 40 results for "revocation", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=revocation
17:42 trinque $s political time
17:42 a111 46 results for "political time", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=political%20time
17:42 asciilifeform ^ there was at least one detailed thread re this.
17:43 znort987 asciilifeform: yeah the timestamp of sigs in gpg has always felt like a sorely missing feature. but then I guess you'd need - idk - a blockchain to solve that particular problem I guess.
17:43 asciilifeform znort987: familiar with the 'protocol vs promise' concept that we developed and exposed here ?
17:44 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/ << Trilema - The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated. Part One.
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17:44 asciilifeform revocation is a ~promise~, in that there is not such a thing, and never will be such a thing, as a magical lever that instantly makes a key stop working.
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17:44 znort987 asciilifeform: nope. noob here. been reading *some* of the recent logs.
17:44 phf if it's keys signing keys then deedbot's ux is rediced to wotpaste urls to signed messages, and then deedbots role is to download/keep a history
17:44 asciilifeform there is only a message, that you can transmit to other ~people~, politely asking 'please stop using this key'
17:45 trinque phf: ftr I wholly support this idea, and in this scheme it's not global time that matters; it's when deedbot saw the material.
17:45 asciilifeform and - do i need to draw a picture, or is this obvious ? - they are free to ignore it; or they may not even GET the message; and are guaranteed to get it, IF they get it, at different physical TIMES
17:45 asciilifeform what do you do with a signature that took place after a revocation time, that you have ALREADY accepted as valid for some purpose ?
17:47 znort987 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527884 << jeez. mother of all the walls of text. life is short ... will try to digest at some point
17:47 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 21:44 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/ << Trilema - The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated. Part One.
17:48 phf trinque: well, since it's only order of your own rates that's important (rather than global rate order), then you can keep own sequence. 1.rate.phf.-1.doofus, 2.rate.phf.3.actually i take that back. you can just use timestamp if you trust your clock to not fuck you over
17:48 trinque ah right, you said this.
17:49 asciilifeform phf: when you make use of a timestamp, you are also asking ~other~ people to trust clock not to fuck ~them~ over.
17:49 asciilifeform it is not a thing to be done lightly.
17:49 phf asciilifeform: no!
17:49 phf asciilifeform: only important is that one number is bigger than another
17:50 asciilifeform there is not a guarantee even of this
17:50 asciilifeform which is why phf can buy airplane ticket and celebrate new year twice in a year.
17:51 phf because you don't need to place all rates into absolute order, you just need to order rates of a single person, then it's up to that person to choose which sequence they use. of course better to just keep own counter, but lazy people can rely on timestamp, and get screwed over from time to time
17:51 asciilifeform then it is most appropriate to use sequence number
17:58 BingoBoingo http://jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5055
~ 18 minutes ~
18:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'which meant that out of a hundred or so kids eating in a large room, I was the one getting the chicken meat parts. Which I didn't like, nor ate, because they were inferior bits to what I normally chomped at home, and they consequently didn't interest me, notwithstanding that most of those children had never in their life eaten meat. Supposedly it was good for them, right ? Vegetarianism is the future and all that ?'
18:16 asciilifeform << holy shit, ro of the period was a motherfucking india ?!
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18:17 * asciilifeform never lacked for meat, nor had any notion that any european childrenz in 20th motherfucking century, might have.
18:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/eu-tinar-8.jpg << l0L!! i still have ~that~ coat
18:20 asciilifeform was it the same in entire sovblok ?
18:25 phf proud product of hozshitnarprod, izhevsk
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18:25 * asciilifeform falls down
18:26 mircea_popescu ;;later tell znort987 a) it's one part of what looks like 7 or 8 and b) for entomologist interest only.
18:26 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually it was a very good coat. tough as nails.
18:27 asciilifeform all i ever changed were the buttons.
18:28 mircea_popescu i think it might beat raytheon
18:29 asciilifeform y'mean the raygun from last thread ?
18:29 asciilifeform whoknows.
18:29 mircea_popescu nah, whatever derpy vests
18:29 phf same factory produced baby blankets, specialty coats for generals and buran reentry flack
18:30 asciilifeform similar coat figured in a famous (in certain circles) duel b/w two drunken privates in ww2, fought with lendlease 'thompsons' ('.45' calibre)
18:30 asciilifeform two coats, neither pierced.
18:30 mircea_popescu for srs.
18:30 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-21#1526219 << found the park and theater, cafe we found was closed for repair.
18:30 a111 Logged on 2016-08-21 13:07 mircea_popescu: listen : go to the president cafe or w/e it'scalled, the one right across from the teatre / across the street from that park, an' take some pics.
18:31 mircea_popescu dang.
18:31 trinque went instead to "nuestra tierra" and ate a massive pile of seafood, drank muchas margaritas
18:31 mircea_popescu $up lolgato1
18:31 deedbot lolgato1 voiced for 30 minutes.
18:31 mircea_popescu cr seafood is pretty good
18:32 asciilifeform lolgato1 has quit (Client Quit) << do they fuck like this, also ?
18:32 mircea_popescu from what i hear.
18:34 asciilifeform and aaaaaaaaah the thrust collars are finally here.
18:34 * pete_dushenski thinks he might've finally figured out weechat
18:34 phf they can deal with only so much complexity before they expect to receive a tasty morsel
18:34 * asciilifeform how many folks do not know the joy of 'part that took month to find, fits!'
18:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527621 << actually this is a situation specifically calling out for smart people, and exactly the opposite of calling out for "smart contracts"
18:35 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 17:32 asciilifeform: ' If ever there were a situation crying out for a smart contract - this is it.'
18:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, we have girlfriends too.
18:36 asciilifeform was it in a mircea_popescu article that i read 'rat does not know where he will eat, but knows that he ~will~ eat, and delights in the disjunction' ?
18:36 mircea_popescu sounds like a mp thing to say
18:36 asciilifeform either that or my robotic mircea_popescutron generated it.
18:37 asciilifeform but it is true.
18:40 * asciilifeform put one of them collars on, then searched in vain for why turning handwheel is ~FUCK THIS WON'T MOVE~, chug-chug-chug instead of whhhhrr. inspected lead screw, with magnifying glass, took whole slide apart, back together, then noticed that the stepper motor's wires were touching...
18:40 asciilifeform it became - think - a kind of dynamo, grunting against a short circuit.
18:41 asciilifeform as per mircea_popescu's old piece 'a deal can be anything' --
18:41 asciilifeform ' a bug can be anything '
18:41 asciilifeform outside of your current field of mental vision.
18:41 mircea_popescu aha.
18:41 mircea_popescu bugs are technically deals. just, deals you're not part of.
18:41 asciilifeform aha.
18:41 asciilifeform very much these.
18:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527876 << there's no practical way to "revoke" a key ; much like there's no practical way to make that british supreme court judge not stupid.
18:43 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 21:41 asciilifeform: znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is.
18:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527906 << late 80s ?! yeah, working class could get chicken thighs, pig feet or else soy-baloney.
18:47 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 22:16 asciilifeform: << holy shit, ro of the period was a motherfucking india ?!
18:47 mircea_popescu ceausescu was paying the country's debts recall. 5bn in 9 years.
18:48 mircea_popescu diabethes patients could have 100 grams / month.
18:48 asciilifeform sounds quite like wartime / ration-card su.
18:49 asciilifeform (not speaking of, e.g., besieged leningrad, but overall.)
18:49 mircea_popescu i expect, yeah.
18:49 mircea_popescu oh i forgot - the vietnamese "shrimp"
18:49 mircea_popescu a strange sort of im not even sure wtf it was. insulation foam.
18:50 * asciilifeform had no experience of these marvels.
18:50 thestringpuller wow did trb blackhole the entire box this time
18:50 * asciilifeform did, not long before the airplane, tasted soy 'chocolate' and went 'ewwww'
18:50 thestringpuller I GUESS I'LL FIND OUT
18:50 * diana_coman used to like watching them curl in hot oil ; not eating them though
18:51 mircea_popescu vietnam export in exchange for whatever heavy machinery they were getting.
18:51 mircea_popescu $google creveti vietnamezi
18:51 deedbot http://crazymothercooker.blogspot.com/2011/10/chipsuri-expandate-din-creveti-100-home.html << CRAZY MOTHER COOKER: CHIPSURI EXPANDATE DIN CREVETI ... | http://www.emag.ro/supermarket/pelete-de-creveti-200g-tao-tao-72804/pd/DW601BBBM/ << Pelete de creveti 200g Tao Tao - eMAG.ro | http://www.totuldespremame.ro/retete/pranz/paste-cu-creveti-excelente-pentru-toata-familia << Paste cu creveţi, excelente pentru toată familia - Totul Despre Mame
18:51 mircea_popescu https://ninulescu.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/crevetii-vietnamezi-chips-urile-copilariei-mele/
18:51 mircea_popescu there. basically shrimp-shell flavoured rice puffs.
18:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but hey, i 'made up for lost time' later, had my share of petro-rubbish in usaschwitz.
18:52 diana_coman myeah, tapioca mainly
18:52 asciilifeform prolly quite enough to die at least decade sooner, and that is supposing i eat no moar of it.
18:52 mircea_popescu well, priviledge is priviledge. i never had any then nor now. I WILL DIE FORNEVER!
18:53 diana_coman re meat though in the countryside everybody grew their own meat iirc
18:53 mircea_popescu yeah, and then if they caught you cutting a veal they'd lock you up!
18:54 * diana_coman still recalls playing a "police game" which consisted roughly in driving the car across a small figuring and shouting: got another policeman!
18:54 mircea_popescu lol
18:54 diana_coman apparently as a result of trips from the countryside with the pig carcass
18:54 asciilifeform hey i had this as pc game!111
18:54 asciilifeform 'quarantine'.
18:55 diana_coman I suppose "they" being the neighbours who also cut veal etc dunno about locking up
18:55 diana_coman though there was ofc the "the fox got them *again*" eternal story re chicken I think
18:56 mircea_popescu lol
18:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527910 << you know the italians had a better one rite.
18:59 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 22:25 phf: proud product of hozshitnarprod, izhevsk
19:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tangentially: you have remnants of http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=FOOBAR in trilema.
19:01 mircea_popescu odd.
19:01 asciilifeform (e.g., http://trilema.com/2014/money-fucking-and-lying << here )
19:02 mircea_popescu ah cuz search huh. dang.
19:02 mircea_popescu $up VINSIN
19:02 deedbot VINSIN voiced for 30 minutes.
19:03 VINSIN hey
19:03 mircea_popescu i love it when i ask mysqld things it takes seconds to answer.
19:03 mircea_popescu hello VINSIN
19:05 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527781 << pokemon cards were definitely a 'money' in elementary school. 'pogs' idem. there's always some collectible scraps ready to take the mantle, regardless of the age and locale.
19:05 a111 Logged on 2016-08-23 18:39 asciilifeform: (... pokemon wrappers? )
19:05 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: pet, seeing thread, briefed me on 'pogs'
19:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform 11 fixes!
19:05 pete_dushenski could be snapchat nudies now for all i know
19:06 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: nah it's gotta be something 'scarce'
19:06 asciilifeform (in the elementary sense that it can't simply propagate to all the have-nots)
19:06 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: lol. ya i even entered pog tourney once.
19:06 pete_dushenski i was better at lego tourneys it turned out
19:08 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3F0F2B8C4D3CA8AB2E472F60F174C6C8FEE475C87E9B966190C9B8A80C02FC23 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112272957310520557937287888630701884074400262312252660684746015492220368624387 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.21 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.6.21@mkj.lt>; '
19:08 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/264C89BED70EDF1ABBD841805C2A3EF1275599C01C8601A53097FE0FE8F4524C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112272957310520557937287888630701884074400262312252660684746015492220368624387 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.73 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.1.73@mkj.lt>; '
19:08 asciilifeform 'AS28400 SECRETARIA DE COMUNICACIONES Y TRANSPORTES COORDINACION DE LA SOCIEDAD DE LA INFORMACION Y EL CONOCI, 32190'
19:08 asciilifeform Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, MX
19:08 asciilifeform sodamigo!1111111
19:08 asciilifeform 'it was invented! in a prison, south of the boooooorder, whereyaneed some help, to keep the badboyz away.....'
19:09 asciilifeform 'sodamigo's yer friend, he protects yer rearend, so you won't be surprised by JOSE!1111'
19:09 asciilifeform (tm) (r)
19:09 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: good point eh. http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=107649466&cp=2255956.2273442.67715136.2255958.3253570.3253570&parentPage=viewall&isTopSellingItem=true << top seller for gurlz atm, it so appears
19:10 asciilifeform dafuq is that
19:10 pete_dushenski 'collectible' ?
19:10 asciilifeform lolk.
19:10 shinohai rofl asciilifeform
19:10 asciilifeform i saw grown men dressed as that thing, in bmore
19:11 pete_dushenski kids aren't allowed to compete anymore. too many winners and lusers.
19:11 asciilifeform they were having a convention of some kind
19:11 pete_dushenski so no pogs, magic, pokemon cards, etc. just shiny bobbles
19:12 asciilifeform i recall an article, ~5 or so years ago, in uni. of maryland newspaper, about a fight in uni library (!) over a deck of pokemon cards.
19:12 asciilifeform explained why i saw an entire rubbish bin full of them the previous night.
19:13 asciilifeform the participants were said to have been high school pupils, part of a tour group.
19:15 asciilifeform (library and gym are the ~only places i still frequent there)
19:17 pete_dushenski gym ? like work out ? /me can't quite fathom alf doing deadlifting/chinups/treadmill
19:17 asciilifeform i wonder what else pete_dushenski can't quite fathom
19:17 asciilifeform sometimes i wish i could meet everybody's strange mental picture of everybody else.
19:18 pete_dushenski fwiw i also can't fathom alf at president trump's inauguration dinner table
19:18 pete_dushenski or flying mig, etc.
19:19 asciilifeform speaking of,
19:20 asciilifeform ;;seen mthreat
19:20 gribble mthreat was last seen in #trilema 19 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <mthreat> trinque: sweet thanks
19:20 pete_dushenski anyways, our mental representations of one another would indeed be fascinating. a motley assemblage of irc logs, blog posts, and various sm tidbits
19:21 pete_dushenski and trilema conferences
19:21 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: any thoughts on conference 4 of late ?
19:22 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: y'know, you could just drop by & visit him, as iirc ben_vulpes did
19:22 asciilifeform it dun have to be during a conference.
19:23 pete_dushenski true, having whole gang together is rather appealing tho
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19:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu really exists, and lives approximately where he is said to live, and really is this tall skinny fella, as pictured in, e.g., my www.
19:24 asciilifeform though - for what i imagine are good reasons of his own - he likes to entertain guests under open sky, rather than at home.
19:27 pete_dushenski well, you exist as well. i could visit you too. ben, bingo, shin, mod idem. all of which would be a few hours travel, not a whole day each way.
19:28 asciilifeform aha.
19:28 asciilifeform nearest, i think, would be BingoBoingo .
19:28 pete_dushenski hell, davout wouldn't be a bad guy to ring up atm either.
19:28 pete_dushenski ben's probably marginally closer than BingoBoingo from here
19:29 asciilifeform or phf, when his orbit intersects with yours.
19:31 pete_dushenski all in good time, i suppose
~ 17 minutes ~
19:49 * pete_dushenski to eat leftover korean
~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~
20:54 asciilifeform $up boolcrap
20:54 deedbot boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
20:55 boolcrap yo
20:58 boolcrap stas you remember how to calculate base from segment selector and gdt in x64?
20:59 asciilifeform dafuq would you need to do this in longmode, boolcrap
21:00 boolcrap hehe
21:01 boolcrap well, windows still uses fs and gs as general purpose registers
21:01 asciilifeform weren't they used for stack cookie or sumthing
21:02 asciilifeform boolcrap: also http://wiki.osdev.org/GDT_Tutorial exists.
21:02 boolcrap pointer to the datastructure that contains all the information about current threads and crapola
21:02 boolcrap hrm , let me go thru this one again.
21:05 asciilifeform i'ma guess you're grunting through something like http://scrammed.blogspot.com/2014/10/code-obfunscation-mixing-32-and-64-bit.html
21:06 boolcrap hrm, this is pretty nice - but nope.
21:06 boolcrap im working tractor 2.0
21:06 boolcrap true bare tractor
21:08 asciilifeform boolcrap: the microphone is on, recall?
21:08 asciilifeform mr. reagan.
21:08 boolcrap lol
21:10 boolcrap speaking of, didnt they just let hinkley out?/
21:10 asciilifeform iirc.
21:11 asciilifeform though 'out' may be wrong word, he is 'free to walk the Big Zone' now.
21:11 boolcrap hrm, i think they should have charged jody foster with accomplice to murder
21:12 boolcrap this watermelon is amazing stas
21:12 boolcrap you're missing out
21:13 asciilifeform did this one have legs, did it squeal on the block ?
21:13 boolcrap lol
21:13 boolcrap it didnt squeal but it popped open as soon as i stabbed it
21:14 asciilifeform i recall reading some chinese chick's 'story of my sad life' book in american school, and she described her arranged marriage, and how the husband-to-be kept repeating 'kai-gwa!' or how he will 'open the watermelon'
21:14 asciilifeform i.e. pop her cherry, when the time comes
21:14 asciilifeform and also described, briefly, the kai-gwa proper.
21:15 boolcrap hahaha
21:15 boolcrap what kind of book is that
21:15 boolcrap what grade?
21:15 asciilifeform damned if i remember.
21:15 asciilifeform ;;google kai gwa
21:15 gribble The Joy Luck Club Part 4, Chapter 2 Summary - Shmoop: <http://www.shmoop.com/joy-luck-club/part-4-chapter-2-summary.html>; Joy Luck Club Vocabulary Flashcards | Quizlet: <https://quizlet.com/12579506/joy-luck-club-vocabulary-flash-cards/>; mark: my words: <http://www.mark.co.ke/>
21:15 asciilifeform possibly ^ that.
21:18 boolcrap you got a solid american education stas
21:18 boolcrap better than most
21:18 asciilifeform lel
21:19 boolcrap must be your white privilege
21:19 asciilifeform how else.
21:21 boolcrap get him, hes white!
21:21 boolcrap hows that for white privilege
21:22 asciilifeform $up Ferrol88
21:22 deedbot Ferrol88 voiced for 30 minutes.
21:23 Ferrol88 Hi
21:23 asciilifeform Ferrol88: hello. who might you be ?
21:24 phf mircea_popescu: you know they made scateboards in su, my dad brought me one from tallinn, because he was obsessed with Estonia, but i'm pretty sure by mid 80s they made them all over
21:24 asciilifeform $up boolcrap
21:24 deedbot boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
21:27 mircea_popescu phf i had no idea.
21:27 phf http://pashasurf.narod.ru/skateboard_Rula.jpg
21:27 mircea_popescu hey, pretty cool. whne is this ? 90s ?
21:28 phf rula was the estonian brand, and they started making them at least in 70s
21:29 mircea_popescu well i had no idea. these things... they're kinda group run.
21:29 phf hah, here's an old rula from some su '84 movie http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/1107/de/6cf18e720ba1.jpg
21:30 mircea_popescu and in superficially unrelated news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqsnqyy9XO1qfih4xo1_500.jpg
21:30 phf i'm pretty sure only reason we had it is because tallinn was closest my dad could get to not-ussr, so he'd buy up whatever cool shit he could find
21:31 mircea_popescu anyway - i'm so impressed with you lot actually chewing through that turd, i'm writing the next part.
21:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was epic
21:31 asciilifeform phf: we had, by same token, junk from finland and czechoslovakia.
21:31 mircea_popescu we're just getting wormed up.
21:31 asciilifeform and buncha stuff from ro.
21:31 mircea_popescu ro made skis that were not bad iirc.
21:32 asciilifeform incl a very spiffy flashlight with blinkenlights.
21:32 asciilifeform (probably intended as road safety thing but fascinating to kid)
21:32 mircea_popescu course... do you even sky in mos-cow ?
21:32 phf what they call "crosscountry" here is of course winter sop in moscow
21:33 mircea_popescu lol
21:34 * mircea_popescu recalls this lulz where country girl married rich british fellow who had two kids ; who came to visit.
21:34 phf http://www.shishkinn.com/assets/images/ufn2dpa5gsm.jpg
21:35 mircea_popescu girl's father had aro (huge bulky suv from the 70s, could go through swamp) and boat. you know, like that, boat, on land
21:35 mircea_popescu kids loved the car, but what is boat for ?
21:35 mircea_popescu old guy smiled
21:35 mircea_popescu then it started to rain...
21:35 mircea_popescu "boat is for going shopping"
21:37 mircea_popescu ok phf that's beautiful. i fucking miss winter.
21:40 phf yeah, main reason i got back to moscow every other winter. "why are you going to russia in winter? isn't it cold? lol!" shut. the. fuck. up.
21:42 mircea_popescu that's not even cold.
21:42 mircea_popescu perfect snow, looks like maaaaybe -5
21:43 mircea_popescu so anyone recall the spot in the logs many years ago where i explained to iirc trinque that the great sex mutation was most likely driven by the introduction of speech ?
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21:47 mircea_popescu i guess it'll be a forever lost arcana reference.
21:48 asciilifeform meanwhile: curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" | cut -d' ' -f23 | sort | uniq
21:48 asciilifeform ^ displays all ssh pops;
21:48 asciilifeform but, more interestingly:
21:49 asciilifeform for ip in `curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" | cut -d' ' -f23`; do nc -w 5 $ip 22 ; done
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21:51 mircea_popescu connects ?
21:51 asciilifeform you get the greets
21:51 asciilifeform e.g.,
21:51 asciilifeform SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
21:51 asciilifeform ^ the champ ^
21:51 asciilifeform and
21:51 asciilifeform SSH-1.99-HUAWEI-1.5
21:51 asciilifeform ^ runner up ^
21:52 asciilifeform 'SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2' , 'SSH-1.99-DOPRA-1.5' << seem to be tied for 3rd plc.
21:52 asciilifeform the timeout thing dun seem to work on my netcat, so this is a painfully slow experiment
21:52 asciilifeform others are invited to replicate.
21:54 asciilifeform SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u3 << lel
21:54 phf what i don't understand is where all the "cool kids" are during summer break? why not go play with them then so you don't have to catch up every time?
21:55 * phf is really involved in the story, "go little weird short guy, go!"
21:55 mircea_popescu wait what ?
21:55 mircea_popescu oh lmao.
21:56 mircea_popescu btw, it's entirely self-justificatory nonsense. i have personally verified short stature does not per se negatively impact the shorty's prospects.
21:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now i gotta ask, how ??
21:56 asciilifeform how'dya verify this.
21:57 mircea_popescu cuz like this : what's incidence of dude being under 5 feet ? then how come like the best caporegime i ever had was like 4 9 ?
21:57 asciilifeform waiwat
21:57 mircea_popescu better error messages! sign the petition!
21:59 asciilifeform what means 'best caporegime i ever had'
22:00 asciilifeform in what sense he was best
22:00 mircea_popescu well, in the literal sense, it's a mafia term denoting this dude who operates independently. but in the figurative sense here used, the idea is that you compare incidence as of the biological phenomenon with incidence as invidivuals-who-are-short-and-also-have-x.
22:00 mircea_popescu to guess whether short prevents x or not.
22:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you know who alexey maresyev was ?
22:01 mircea_popescu i do not.
22:01 asciilifeform ru ww2 flyer ace.
22:01 asciilifeform lost his legs.
22:01 asciilifeform kept flyin'
22:01 asciilifeform and scorin'
22:01 mircea_popescu aha!
22:02 asciilifeform pelevin had a riot of a b00k, where there was a 'maresyev school of jet pilotage', where they procrust yer legz first thing
22:02 mircea_popescu ahahaha
22:02 asciilifeform so then.
22:03 mircea_popescu so then what!
22:03 asciilifeform maresyev was not, imho, typical flyer. nor mircea_popescu's capo - typical shorty.
22:03 mircea_popescu so why would you be ?
22:03 asciilifeform dunno, ask all the other flyers who got shorter by a set of legs, why they did not become aces.
22:03 mircea_popescu hence my "self justificatory nonsense" comment.
22:03 mircea_popescu yes, but in the observation that X was exceptional is not included the proof that Y is not.
22:04 mircea_popescu the point was, is shorty bar to performance. we find shorty is no bar to performace. other bars may and indeed do exist, sure. so worry about those.
22:04 asciilifeform my observation was re 'does not per se negatively impact'.
22:04 asciilifeform it sure as fuck impacts.
22:04 asciilifeform (how many chicks will even consider a bloke shorter than self)
22:05 trinque can't argue from general case to make comments about the exceptional
22:05 asciilifeform maresyev was an ace, with, and without, legs.
22:05 mircea_popescu most, fwiseen
22:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu would quite likely still be mircea_popescu if he were shorter by a cubit.
22:06 mircea_popescu i won't consider short chicks ; at least in theory (though say chet was a shorty).
22:06 asciilifeform kasparov can wipe the floor with a room full of handicap players.
22:06 asciilifeform etc.
22:07 mircea_popescu the only magic trick in all this is, how is speaker viewing self. if speaker has already decided is not exceptional ; then argument "shorty was exceptional - i'm not" can be brought ; but obviously the heuristic indicates the problem's somewhere else ; if however speaker hasn't made such decision, then the argument can't be logically brought. and we know whether speaker has or hasn't made such a decision by whether he brings
22:07 mircea_popescu or doesn't bring argument.
22:07 mircea_popescu THIS is female logic, not "how tall is he"
22:08 asciilifeform well, the 'female logic' is in penning a 'why my life sucked' screed to begin with, neh ?
22:09 mircea_popescu i meant "female logic" in the sense of "how does she magically wiff out the loser".
22:09 mircea_popescu it's not magic ; loser tells.
22:09 asciilifeform losing is also cumulative.
22:09 mircea_popescu is pederasty cumulative ?
22:09 asciilifeform quite possibly
22:09 mircea_popescu then maybe.
22:10 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528134 << http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-22#1172563 << mentioned here but probably in reference to the logs sought
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22:10 a111 Logged on 2016-08-24 01:43 mircea_popescu: so anyone recall the spot in the logs many years ago where i explained to iirc trinque that the great sex mutation was most likely driven by the introduction of speech ?
22:10 a111 Logged on 2015-06-22 20:01 mircea_popescu: there is a deep link between sex and communication, not least of all because sex is the communication of biological material.
22:10 mircea_popescu win! tyvm!
22:10 trinque yw
22:11 mircea_popescu well yeah this is not it, but it will work jus' fine.
22:11 asciilifeform by the time you can tell 'luser' from a hallway's length away, fella prolly has 20 years of radiation damage .
22:11 mircea_popescu not to mention that now that we talk about it, scholar of the future has a way to know what to dig for.
22:11 asciilifeform the 'entomological pieces' are of interest re how it begins
22:11 mircea_popescu because references everywhere! that phf added hand thing was geniusz
22:11 asciilifeform (is it from first fight in kindergarten ?)
22:12 mircea_popescu from experience as well as harem consensus, the data in question is obtained EXACTLY in the manner of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528139
22:12 a111 Logged on 2016-08-24 01:49 asciilifeform: for ip in `curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" | cut -d' ' -f23`; do nc -w 5 $ip 22 ; done
22:12 mircea_popescu ie, "ask, he'll tell."
22:13 mircea_popescu o, speaking of which, perhaps the best fucking ever pua in action, lemme fish out the link
22:14 asciilifeform speaking of which, holy FUCK is the 'netcat simply IGNORES timeout' thing frustrating
22:14 asciilifeform who writes like this.
22:14 asciilifeform and why
22:14 asciilifeform the '-w 5' does NOTHING
22:15 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuXxIrarHEc << did i link this before ?
22:17 mircea_popescu (last one's actually his gf, has a bitch of a time trying to not laugh. because it's fucking impossible with the idiot.)
22:18 asciilifeform ok, now we're cooking :
22:18 asciilifeform for ip in `curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" |cut -d' ' -f23`; do timeout -k 0m 3s nc $ip 22 ; done
22:19 asciilifeform ^ sends sigkill to idiot netcat after 3s
22:21 mircea_popescu ahahaha
22:21 mircea_popescu look at alf, following the unix way, so adorb
22:21 mircea_popescu now you gotta code a watcher to restart your script
22:21 * trinque triggered!1!
22:21 trinque lol
22:21 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/938a88c7-7884-414b-b01b-42ce13b53419 << they who answered.
22:21 mircea_popescu seems pretty diverse.
22:21 trinque neat
22:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: phuctor is as it is so that i could do this, since day1
22:22 mircea_popescu sarge look at that.
22:23 asciilifeform NOW, for the record:
22:23 asciilifeform 7 SSH-1.99-DOPRA-1.5
22:23 asciilifeform 6 SSH-1.99-HUAWEI-1.5
22:23 asciilifeform 5 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
22:23 asciilifeform 3 SSH-2.0-AudioCodes
22:23 asciilifeform 3 SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
22:23 asciilifeform 2 SSH-2.0-ROSSSH
22:23 asciilifeform 1 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u3
22:24 asciilifeform 1 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u2
22:24 asciilifeform 1 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4
22:24 asciilifeform left column is count.
22:24 asciilifeform ( sort phuked | uniq -c | sort -r for the curious )
22:27 asciilifeform 'Comware is an industry-leading provider of network security solutions including products, professional services, and implementation. Our elite team of experts ....'
22:27 asciilifeform ahahahahahahahaha
22:27 * asciilifeform falls down.
22:28 asciilifeform competes, apparently, with cisco et al.
22:28 asciilifeform now what's dopra:
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22:29 asciilifeform 'As an open source project, the Yocto Project operates with a hierarchical governance structure based on meritocracy and managed by its chief architect, Richard Purdie, a Linux Foundation fellow. This enables the project to remain independent of any one of its member organizations, who participate in various ways and provide resources to the project.'
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22:29 asciilifeform ^ https://www.yoctoproject.org/about ^
22:29 asciilifeform huawei needs no introduction.
22:29 asciilifeform 'rosssh' is well-known lulcow,
22:29 asciilifeform e.g.,
22:29 asciilifeform ;;google rosssh
22:29 gribble Mikrotik RouterOS sshd ( ROSSSH ) - Remote Preauth Heap Corruption: <https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/28056/>; Mikrotik RouterOS 5.* and 6.* sshd remote preauth heap corruption ...: <https://kingcope.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/mikrotik-routeros-5-and-6-sshd-remote-preauth-heap-corruption/>; ROS/NetworkSetup - ROS Wiki: <http://wiki.ros.org/ROS/NetworkSetup>
22:29 asciilifeform ^1st hit.
22:30 asciilifeform what's 'audiocodes' ..?
22:30 asciilifeform 'AudioCodes designs, develops and sells advanced VoIP and data networking products and communications applications for service providers and enterprises.'
22:30 asciilifeform 'AudioCodes' international headquarters and R&D facilities are located in Israel, with branch offices in United States, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Italy, UK, China, India, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico.'
22:31 asciilifeform NOW remember folks, this NEVERHAPPPPPPPENEED!1111
22:31 trinque another one of those got brutally pwnd recently.
22:31 * asciilifeform brb.
22:31 trinque $google obihai seclists
22:31 trinque fuuuuu
22:31 deedbot http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Aug/111 << Full Disclosure: ObiHai ObiPhone - Multiple Vulnerabilities | https://vuldb.com/de/?id.90922 << ObiHai ObiPhone 1032/ObiPhone 1062 vor 5.0.0 Build 3497 URL ... | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/ << Full Disclosure Mailing List
22:31 trinque there we go
22:43 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> nearest, i think, would be BingoBoingo . << But apparently you have odd impressions of middle west. Love Chicago, the worst Middle West has to offer and refuse to give rest of it the time of day.
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22:46 trinque ;;later tell gabriel_laddel seems foolish to be doing so much work on mcclim without maintaining a presence here.
22:46 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:47 trinque vps can be had for 5/mo; presumably you're still eating during this vagabond phase
22:48 asciilifeform sooo mircea_popescu , how many 'dominations of the vertical and the horizontal' did we just spoodge into the faces of here ?
22:49 asciilifeform hp/comware, yokto, mikrotik, ...
22:49 asciilifeform audiowhateverthefuck,
22:50 asciilifeform ... debian? ( though if i had to guess, i'd guess these were nailed by something else )
22:51 asciilifeform i can hardly wait for the hanno boeck post.
22:52 asciilifeform the pigfucker reads the logz, yes.
22:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528272 << i like 1890s buildings.
22:54 a111 Logged on 2016-08-24 02:43 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nearest, i think, would be BingoBoingo . << But apparently you have odd impressions of middle west. Love Chicago, the worst Middle West has to offer and refuse to give rest of it the time of day.
22:54 asciilifeform lolmart country - not so much.
22:55 BingoBoingo What's wrong with the 1890's buildings in East St Louis?
22:57 asciilifeform cannot comment, haven't yet seen'em
22:58 asciilifeform but chicago figures prominently in the usa of my childhood bootleg vhs tapes, and st louis - does not.
22:58 trinque there was lolmart even in san jose this weekend.
22:59 trinque and a smattering of american fast food. I was surprised how much.
23:00 asciilifeform 'there was lolmart' != 'lolmart country'.
23:01 trinque saw plenty of obeasts there. it's spreading.
23:01 trinque "no es un pais pobre" is not solely argentine
23:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah not talking about St Louis, but East St Louis. North St Louis also has substantial 1890's buildings
23:01 asciilifeform i saw ~0 in chicago, but admittedly i was not searching for'em
23:02 mircea_popescu trinque it's cheap. eating on budget more and more of a problem.
23:07 trinque mircea_popescu: speaking of coping with poverty, saw a guy selling ring pops in the middle of the road. guy on a motorcycle paid him and immediately popped in his mouth.
23:07 trinque I'm curious what drug that might've been
23:08 trinque wasn't so curious to buy one :p
23:08 mircea_popescu speed ?
23:08 mircea_popescu how fast was motorcycle going :D
23:08 trinque lol, costa rican fast
23:08 trinque so say 50kph
23:08 mircea_popescu what drugs do you ingest in broad daylight on a bike anyway. sugar ?
23:08 mircea_popescu guy prolly bought a caramel.
23:09 trinque girl with me thought it was as innocent as that.
23:09 trinque snore
23:10 asciilifeform gentlemen: any among you happen to own one of the 'stars' of the tard-ssh round-up ?
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23:10 asciilifeform the routers
23:11 asciilifeform we have here evidence of at least four undiscovered l0ldays...
23:13 mircea_popescu nope.
23:13 mircea_popescu nfi who the fuck even buys that sort of thing ; half the names i never heard of befoar.
23:13 mircea_popescu anyway, do publish, your blog gets too little material as it is.
23:14 asciilifeform same folks who buy cisco, juniper, huawei (which incidentally...)
23:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sample is pathetically small yet.
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