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02:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100450 @ 0.00037303 = 37.4709 BTC [+] {3}
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02:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185802 @ 0.00036244 = 67.3421 BTC [-] {3}
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03:39 punkman https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/
03:39 assbot Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYktrH )
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04:07 davout !s mod6 gentoo guide
04:07 assbot 9 results for 'mod6 gentoo guide' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mod6+gentoo+guide
04:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159987 @ 0.00037112 = 59.3744 BTC [+] {2}
04:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146000 @ 0.00037311 = 54.4741 BTC [+] {2}
04:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138200 @ 0.00036427 = 50.3421 BTC [-] {2}
04:30 punkman !up vexual
04:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89253 @ 0.00036723 = 32.7764 BTC [+]
04:30 vexual thanks punk
04:31 vexual whats greece liek for the man on the street now?
04:34 vexual i imagine everyones calm until one cunt throws an orange
04:34 punkman I wouldn't know, looks like business as usual from my pov
04:36 vexual no paycut for punkman eh?
04:36 punkman I imagine things are more tense in Athens, but haven't been in that shithole for a while now
04:36 vexual lol
04:36 vexual ive never been
04:36 punkman punkman doesn't do business in Greece
04:38 wyrdmantis ;;bc,stats
04:38 gribble Current Blocks: 360123 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 740 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49249529780.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.48803
04:40 vexual whats 3 pc in peta?
04:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47626 @ 0.00037375 = 17.8002 BTC [+] {2}
04:41 vexual circa 1?
04:42 vexual thats a guess
04:43 vexual 24 moons either way im prolly right
04:43 punkman that's 3 percent in difficulty not hashes
04:43 vexual yes
04:44 vexual how much hash does it take to move it 3pc
04:47 vexual the consesnus is a guess at the hash
04:47 punkman https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
04:47 assbot Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZyX3C )
04:47 vexual curlys for sale
04:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00037383 = 25.6821 BTC [+] {2}
04:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00037398 = 27.1136 BTC [+]
05:00 vexual hola bb
05:05 cazalla evening
05:06 BingoBoingo Hi
05:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00037456 = 8.952 BTC [+] {2}
05:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154250 @ 0.00037507 = 57.8545 BTC [+] {2}
05:18 BingoBoingo !up gmaxwell
05:18 BingoBoingo !up kyuupichan
05:19 shinohai "If you don't like it, find another project" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w&feature=youtu.be&t=1672
05:19 assbot CoinScrum: QA with Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZNexn )
05:19 shinohai mkay
05:32 BingoBoingo shinohai: What's the tldr; on the context?
05:33 shinohai tl;dr If you need "another project" to work, join #b-a!
05:34 shinohai ;;ticker
05:34 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.58, Best ask: 230.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 230.59, 24 hour volume: 28639.34531439, 24 hour low: 225.07, 24 hour high: 232.07, 24 hour vwap: None
05:38 wyrdmantis ;;bc,stats
05:38 gribble Current Blocks: 360129 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 734 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49250775280.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.49065
05:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29970 @ 0.00036723 = 11.0059 BTC [-]
05:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73308 @ 0.00035592 = 26.0918 BTC [-] {2}
05:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50792 @ 0.0003539 = 17.9753 BTC [-]
05:58 punkman shinohai: hah, good one
06:10 jurov ;;calc 750/12
06:10 gribble 62.5
06:10 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157536 << if each chump is worth $62.5 on average
06:10 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 02:53:51; trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
06:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.0003539 = 3.8865 BTC [-]
06:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90790 @ 0.0003583 = 32.5301 BTC [+] {2}
06:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58915 @ 0.00036457 = 21.4786 BTC [+]
06:36 wyrdmantis any thoughts on this? --> https://youtu.be/zbp412zFsto
06:36 assbot 양자암호원리, QKD, 야동? No! 양동!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T8Dvo4 )
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07:25 shinohai http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/10/japanese-hacker-sends-police-on-chase-to-find-cat-with-computer-virus-strapped-to-collar-encrypts-clues-with-final-fantasy-language/
07:31 funkenstein_ looks to me like pure theatre
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07:40 funkenstein_ if there really are "many ways to discover the private keys", then there are necessarily many ways to discover the message sent, no matter how it was encrypted and keys distributed
07:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111168 @ 0.00037062 = 41.2011 BTC [+]
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08:21 mircea_popescu there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
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08:22 mircea_popescu iirc the yugos had even more , but i don't recall specifics
08:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^
08:23 mircea_popescu http://www.cpushack.com/gallery-1/mmn/mmn80cpu-2591/ << confirmed for correct visual.
08:23 assbot MMN80CPU 2591 | The CPU Shack Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZVxcf )
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08:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00035899 = 53.0228 BTC [-]
08:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157652 << good choice, gold's a govt scam anyway
08:59 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 03:34:02; asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.
08:59 mircea_popescu amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
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09:00 mircea_popescu the population of the world barn stood for it once, "monopoly on violence" and all that bull, why shouldn't it work again ???
09:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157660 << fnargl problem. the soviet politbureau was secure. the usg "feminists" are not.
09:01 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 03:36:59; asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov
09:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00035814 = 41.5442 BTC [-] {2}
09:03 mircea_popescu $ curl https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/
09:03 assbot Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBQoUT )
09:03 mircea_popescu curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443
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09:04 mircea_popescu this bodes well for them.
09:04 mircea_popescu but anyway, For additional background on Blockstream’s founding values, read “Blockstream: A Champion of Bitcoin’s Core Values.” ?! "press@blockstream.com" ?!
09:04 mircea_popescu dudes, lay off seriously.
09:04 mircea_popescu everyone's a perianne boring now ?
09:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157762 <<< mmyeah.
09:07 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 11:31:45; funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre
09:07 mircea_popescu i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.
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09:07 mircea_popescu ahh how your blood will flow, old whore.
09:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D
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09:11 assbot Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBR8JI )
09:14 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157448 <<< no sane orm would do that
09:14 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 01:55:55; trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
09:15 mircea_popescu im pretty sure i have seen this
09:16 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157789 << some serious magic!
09:16 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 13:11:13; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D
09:16 mircea_popescu hehehe
09:16 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157765 << that's a z80! not a cdp1802.
09:16 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 12:21:50; mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
09:16 mircea_popescu and in the breakfast cereal today, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maz4dlgoVF1r3iafjo1_500.gif
09:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHajR )
09:17 asciilifeform -everybody- had a z80.
09:17 asciilifeform i bet zimbabwe had one.
09:17 mircea_popescu oh oh 1802
09:17 mircea_popescu yes, they did, romanian friendship :D
09:17 mircea_popescu ceausescu dude was nuts about africa.
09:17 asciilifeform and cn
09:18 asciilifeform phun phakt: my parents still have chinese towels father bought in ro in '80s
09:18 mircea_popescu lol
09:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143800 @ 0.00036461 = 52.4309 BTC [+] {2}
09:19 asciilifeform in other nyooz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3345E99D51E56537F74CE146536E40351169B4683A79EE61CC1A5042861E630
09:20 assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHA9M )
09:20 asciilifeform (where the hell is that ticker?)
09:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, i dun think romania actually ever made that.
09:20 asciilifeform 1802?
09:20 asciilifeform i only know of a yugo version
09:20 asciilifeform (and three or four american)
09:21 mircea_popescu yeah memory doth not bring up anything.
09:22 mircea_popescu "Karen Bender" is not a bad name by the way
09:22 asciilifeform 'i am bender, please insert girder' (tm) (r) ('futurama')
09:22 mircea_popescu lol
09:23 asciilifeform https://github.com/asciilifeform/CyEmu/tree/master/emu << my ancient and very bad 1802
09:23 assbot CyEmu/emu at master · asciilifeform/CyEmu · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHU8y )
09:23 asciilifeform thing was famous for, among other things, 'sex' instruction
09:24 BingoBoingo OMG a self replicating processor?
09:24 asciilifeform l0l
09:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no it was morel ike http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb7fz1QLnr1rtxn3oo1_400.gif
09:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSGmX )
09:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo i think would like this chip
09:25 asciilifeform phun phakt: you can still buy a toy computer with it: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/memship.html
09:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSHap )
09:25 asciilifeform yes, with togglers.
09:25 asciilifeform http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/mema_2.jpg
09:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSKTw )
09:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but seriously, "efficiency" aside, i have nfi how one'd program for a processor that allows random switching in and out of the process counter / memory counter etc.
09:26 mircea_popescu imagine a 1802 valgrind
09:26 asciilifeform you do it... with your hands
09:26 mircea_popescu yeah, shiva must be this tall to pass.
09:26 asciilifeform afaik there was never a compiler for it (you could trivially port sdcc etc. but... why)
09:26 asciilifeform shivas only, yes.
09:26 mircea_popescu mel1802
09:26 BingoBoingo I am interested nao. How long until we get a foundry so we can make them fast?
09:27 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the reason they're 100 bucks a pop is ~ that nobody wants em
09:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: buy a bag of 5,000 FETs. that there's yer phoundry.
09:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually there are plenty of folks who want. but they go to 'ebay' or 1,001 other places where they're a buck or so
09:27 mircea_popescu aha.
09:28 asciilifeform sorta like 'pogo'
09:28 asciilifeform in that if you were to wish for a crate of 10,000 in one pop, there would be supply problems.
09:28 mircea_popescu but with less baseline demand
09:30 BingoBoingo Can a bag of FETs make one that's run bitcoind fast?
09:30 asciilifeform thing lasts virtually forever. on account of the chemistry of the process, it laughed at power supply noise that would nuke any other cpu
09:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: fast enough to keep up with blocks? possibly
09:31 BingoBoingo Interesting.
09:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you'd have to bake something which can address >64k though
09:31 BingoBoingo Run bitcoind is the new definition of fast
09:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it IS pretty much the baseline to distinguish computer from toy.
09:32 mircea_popescu "if it can't sync it can't really be used seriously" makes a whole lotta sense.
09:32 asciilifeform me, i just want something that'd sign a tx, while using no iron made after i was born
09:33 mircea_popescu do you also want something that's warm and slippery while using no cells made after you were born ?
09:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205887 @ 0.00035606 = 73.3081 BTC [-] {3}
09:33 asciilifeform got one of these already
09:34 mircea_popescu cells only last ~7 years you know.
09:34 asciilifeform sure.
09:34 asciilifeform speaking very loosely.
09:35 mircea_popescu if you're speaking that loosely...
09:35 mircea_popescu what are you even saying ?
09:35 * asciilifeform still half asleep
09:35 nubbins` hi
09:36 nubbins` so i finally got my printer straightened out.
09:36 asciilifeform it was bent ?
09:36 BingoBoingo !b 2
09:36 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/15HYF6W.txt )
09:36 nubbins` heh. figuratively, yes
09:36 mircea_popescu nubbins` you know i left you a ding in the logs while back, you ever got it ?
09:36 mircea_popescu ;;tells
09:36 gribble Error: "tells" is not a valid command.
09:36 nubbins` ah yes the booky-wook
09:36 nubbins` is this a serial we're talking about?
09:37 asciilifeform 'Good luck with that buckeroo. Looking forward to your complete rewrite of the Broadcom NetXtreme II 10/100/Gigabit firmware, by the way. There are about 25 versions of this product, and they have 4-6 MIPS 64-bit cpus running different firmwares on them. Total size, around 260K. It's like a bunch of independent operating systems running on propriety hardware!' << this is endemic and getting worse by the minute
09:37 mircea_popescu i was thinking ima publish episodes on trilema an' then the whole thing
09:37 jurov nubbins` did not get it cuz he reads irc out of the printer
09:37 nubbins` ah, an anthology as it were
09:37 nubbins` jurov STFU
09:37 nubbins` go ahead and try to delete a line from my log
09:37 nubbins` you'll need scissors and tape
09:38 mircea_popescu is your log also only made out of paper that was there before you were born ?
09:38 BingoBoingo Or a zippo
09:38 jurov fire will do
09:38 BingoBoingo Or humidity and time
09:38 nubbins` mircea_popescu i order so much paper that the UPS guy is starting to not like me
09:38 mircea_popescu yeah, because that's the monkey logic, "shit, this guy makes it so that i have a job!!1"
09:39 nubbins` anyway. soaked the printhead in ammonia overnight. reassembled everything... it says all 6 cartridges are missing.
09:39 mircea_popescu im so fucking sick of proles.
09:39 nubbins` try this a couple more times.
09:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i like to pipe logs to thermal printer. (think 'cash register'). astonishingly fire-resistant, but does fade with time
09:39 nubbins` turns out i was popping the fuckin ribbon out of the thing while inserting.
09:39 nubbins` asciilifeform this is still a major use of dot matrix printers
09:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That is a serious problem with thermal. Twas a pain lighting the losing tickets friday night.
09:39 nubbins` wait now, your thermal paper is fire-resistant?
09:40 nubbins` o.O
09:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: un minimo respeto por el trabajador! (TM) (R)
09:40 mircea_popescu fire retarded more like it
09:40 nubbins` ^
09:40 nubbins` funny thing is, i figured it was a lost cause
09:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're giving me spots on the spleen.
09:40 asciilifeform nubbins`: aha. very annoying when burning otp
09:40 nubbins` so i bought a replacement printer 30 minutes before i fixed the thing
09:40 asciilifeform (what, not everyone prints one time pads on thermal paper ?)
09:40 nubbins` then shrugged and decided not to cancel the order
09:40 nubbins` because HEY
09:41 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/to-land-syngenta-monsanto-offers-to-change-name-incorporate-in/article_da79bf37-0ccd-5dcd-aeb7-074e1e71fef1.html
09:41 assbot To land Syngenta, Monsanto offers to change name, incorporate in U.K. : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUo7T )
09:41 nubbins` why run two printers when you can run three?
09:41 mircea_popescu which is good because it won't work anyway.
09:41 nubbins` heh
09:41 nubbins` mp actually these epsons are workhorses
09:41 nubbins` 10/10 would/did buy again
09:41 asciilifeform 'instead of printer, package contained bobcat. a++, would buy again' (tm)
09:41 nubbins` haha
09:42 mircea_popescu "her name was sheila"
09:42 mircea_popescu "she was from odessa"
09:42 nubbins` "but you can call her bob"
09:42 nubbins` "she'll do things to your knob"
09:42 asciilifeform https://xkcd.com/325
09:42 assbot xkcd: A-Minus-Minus ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUBb0 )
09:42 asciilifeform ^ a little different from what i remembered
09:43 nubbins` so were the 80s
09:44 nubbins` also worth noting that a replacement print head was 50% the cost of a new printer
09:44 nubbins` protip: if you can't service your printer yourself, buy a new one when it breaks
09:44 asciilifeform nubbins`: was this that same printer where you ran a hose into the ink tank instead of swapping out cartridges ?
09:44 nubbins` yes sir.
09:45 nubbins` https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/1430%20kit/CIS%20Kit%201430.htm
09:45 assbot .:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUQ5U )
09:45 nubbins` ^ the old man who runs this company is a wizard
09:45 nubbins` incredibly boring support videos but he knows the machines inside & out
09:45 * asciilifeform used to do something quite like this with laser printer. it being, drill hole in cartridge, funnel, toner tanks from old xerox in office park dumpsters
09:45 asciilifeform sorta worked
09:45 nubbins` nod
09:45 nubbins` i pay $25usd for 17oz of ink
09:46 asciilifeform but eventually learned 1) toner comes in various granularities 2) is a real bitch to clean up, on account of 3) goes straight through a vacuum cleaner
09:46 mircea_popescu the toner granularities thing is a fine example of biology in business.
09:47 mircea_popescu the granules themselves are more or less engineered to clog competing heads.
09:47 asciilifeform heads?!
09:47 asciilifeform 'toner' in laser printer is pulverized plastic
09:48 asciilifeform it is picked up by a rubber roller and deposited on selenium drum electrostatically
09:48 nubbins` ^
09:48 nubbins` inkjets have heads
09:48 nubbins` and you should print with your printer at least once a week to keep them from drying out
09:48 asciilifeform now, if 'wrong' granule size, or melting point, life of printer owner does become 'interesting'
09:49 mircea_popescu whatever you call them
09:49 mircea_popescu how do you call the "part which does the printing" in a printer ?
09:49 * asciilifeform does not like liquid printers
09:49 nubbins` mircea_popescu depends on the type of printer. in an inkjet it's a printhead
09:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the printing per se worked. but sometimes the plastic would come right off the page when you fondled it.
09:50 nubbins` a laser printer is closer to a lithograph than anything else
09:50 nubbins` https://www.dropbox.com/s/sux12zfhww2dyun/TEST-PAGE.svg?dl=0
09:50 assbot Dropbox - TEST-PAGE.svg ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBVu3l )
09:50 nubbins` ^ for a 6-tank printer like mine
09:51 nubbins` asciilifeform my cost per page is prolly lower than yours
09:51 nubbins` altho TBF
09:51 nubbins` inkjets are way, waaaaaaaaaaay slower than laser
09:51 nubbins` and given that i doubt you do much fine art printing...
09:52 * asciilifeform like a fool, picked up a surplus colour laser printer a couplea weeks ago. twentybux or so
09:52 asciilifeform it works, but leads to decadence 'hmm, this code ought to have syntax colouring, let's print that'
09:52 nubbins` heh.
09:53 nubbins` "toner low in following cartridges: C (cyan). Y (yellow). M (magenta)."
09:53 asciilifeform and eventually will have to be thrown out and bought again - who wants to buy four colours of toner
09:53 nubbins` i buy off-brand toner
09:53 nubbins` 123inkcartridges.ca
09:53 * nubbins` also runs two Brother laser printers: one b/w, one colour
09:53 asciilifeform nubbins`: in the colour laser, the expensive proprietary crud is the 'transfer belt'
09:53 asciilifeform for which no chinese version, afaik, exists
09:53 nubbins` is that separate from the drum unit?
09:53 asciilifeform aha
09:54 * nubbins` has replaced 1 drum
09:54 asciilifeform a kind of conveyor, page-width, made from unobtainium
09:54 mircea_popescu it's just plastic!
09:54 nubbins` oh, wait, right
09:54 nubbins` mine's white.
09:54 mircea_popescu :D
09:54 nubbins` runs under all the drums?
09:54 asciilifeform nubbins`: aha
09:54 nubbins` those have a life?!
09:55 asciilifeform nubbins`: turns out, they do.
09:55 nubbins` wow
09:55 mircea_popescu insert girder.
09:55 asciilifeform hence how colour laser printer ends up sold 'per pound' as surplus scrap
09:55 * nubbins` has published novels on his laser printers, no belt replacement
09:55 nubbins` (yet)
09:55 asciilifeform nubbins`: these are found only in colour laser
09:55 nubbins` ah. i've only run maybe 10-15 books through the colour one
09:56 asciilifeform nubbins`: does yours have the evil usg yellow dots ?
09:56 nubbins` i slayed an $80 Brother monochrone laser
09:56 nubbins` asciilifeform no idea / who cares
09:56 asciilifeform http://seeingyellow.com
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09:56 assbot Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBWbto )
09:56 nubbins` heard of em
09:56 nubbins` but i'd use the epson for copying currency anyway
09:56 nubbins` (hypothetically)
09:56 asciilifeform interesting mainly on account of 'usg gets to slip code blobs into consumer appliances' thing
09:56 nubbins` SWIM hypothetically did this in their youth for a while
09:57 asciilifeform l0l
09:57 asciilifeform medieval counterfeiters, famously, got to drink molten lead (or sometimes, for showmanship, gold...) when caught. modern ones will one day be drowned in buckets of inkjet ?
09:58 nubbins` imagine passing off some of this strange to a cashier, and while you're waiting for your food, guy behind you in line receives some as change
09:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00035828 = 41.668 BTC [+] {2}
09:58 nubbins` asciilifeform too expensive!
09:58 nubbins` $5-8k/gallon
09:58 nubbins` altho i guess they'd buy the bulk stuff huh.
09:59 asciilifeform speaking of counterfeiters, i once read a fascinating bio paper where folks determined the actual cause of death of 'drink molten lead'
09:59 asciilifeform by testing with cattle carcass
10:00 asciilifeform turned out, it's almost certainly steam inhalation
10:00 asciilifeform (from own flesh boiling)
10:00 asciilifeform there were some good photos of resulting 'castings' also.
10:00 asciilifeform i often wonder if any period 'castings' of this kind have been turned up by archaeologists.
10:01 kakobrekla urlpls
10:01 * asciilifeform unfortunately lacking the link. if anyone turns it up, plz post.
10:02 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157680 << wai wat. which prisoners
10:02 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 03:49:45; decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing
10:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157773 << hey, they did retrofit the price control mechanism (buterin's waterfall) from gold
10:03 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 12:59:40; mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
10:04 mircea_popescu except that only works on idiots.
10:04 mircea_popescu the "you can't hold it" thing works on everyone. huge difference.
10:04 mircea_popescu which is why the incensed bitching.
10:05 asciilifeform the waterfall also works on everyone. but is expensive to maintain, yes
10:06 mircea_popescu no baby, iot does NOPT work on everyone.
10:06 mircea_popescu soros' breaking of the bank of england should be the only example you might ever need.
10:06 mircea_popescu i LOVE!!11 the fact that they're giving me free money this way
10:06 mircea_popescu and i don't care how much of it comes out of the skins of idiots.
10:06 mircea_popescu actually, i hope most of it does, and i hope it comes out of their corneas and their daughter's labia.
10:07 asciilifeform well, on one hand, mircea_popescu gets to pick up cheap coin. but on other, can't buy spare reactor for dirigible for 1 btc
10:07 mircea_popescu there ~IS~ a reason they switched from trying that to trying gavincoin last year.
10:08 asciilifeform in as far as i can surmise, the 'dept. of accumulating btc for the lizard throne' and 'dept. of breaking btc because wtf 111' co-exist
10:09 mircea_popescu now wonder along with me : WHY is it that shithead gavin is SO VERY FIRMLY CONVINCED this must be done "before the end of the year" ? hm ?
10:09 mircea_popescu who and where told them "we're getting wiped, at the most last out another three, maaaaybe six months" ?
10:09 asciilifeform the thing which boggles my mind is, why not yet
10:09 mircea_popescu because reasons.
10:09 asciilifeform what, precisely, keeps the schmuck from twiddling the constant -now-
10:09 mircea_popescu always reasons. the fact that nothing's instantaneous in the physical world is the chief reason there may even be life in the first place.
10:10 mircea_popescu think about a world where interaction were undelayed.
10:10 asciilifeform what, the filipinos have to grunt out precisely 1GB of forum commentz ?
10:10 asciilifeform 'time is for keeping all things from happening at once' (tm) (r)
10:10 mircea_popescu what is it that makes the speed of chemical reaction be the speed of chemical reaction ?
10:10 mircea_popescu what, the electrons have to spin 1billion times ?
10:11 asciilifeform l0l
10:11 asciilifeform (all things have inertial mass, is the proximate cause)
10:11 mircea_popescu not even.
10:12 mircea_popescu inertial mass is, much like the "centrifugal force", a matter of observer observing
10:13 asciilifeform btw i fully expect to see the classical bitcoin net under organized crap flood in near future.
10:13 mircea_popescu as in... last week ?
10:13 mircea_popescu doh.
10:13 asciilifeform (with gavincoin pushes as 'elixir' naturally)
10:13 mircea_popescu kinda why the scoring nodes are important
10:13 asciilifeform why do you suppose i took precious time to run the orphans experiment
10:14 mircea_popescu aha.
10:14 nubbins` how many times have i heard "there are only 6000 nodes"
10:14 nubbins` people are gonna be really surprised some day
10:14 mircea_popescu and the thing that keeps schmuck is, the thing that keeps all schmucks. fear.
10:14 asciilifeform nubbins`: do you recall my experiment where we estimated how many living nodes ?
10:15 nubbins` the experiment but not the results
10:15 asciilifeform results were depressing
10:16 nubbins` <6k
10:16 nubbins` ?
10:16 asciilifeform <60
10:16 nubbins` :o
10:16 nubbins` how'd bitnodes find so many?
10:16 asciilifeform by counting turdation crud as 'node' ?
10:16 mircea_popescu this of course is in the logs
10:17 asciilifeform it is on therealbitcoin ml
10:17 mircea_popescu nubbins` bitnodes is in the business of finding what it wants to find.
10:17 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html
10:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOz73n )
10:17 asciilifeform and i think we had more on this in log, yes
10:17 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004253 <
10:17 assbot Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:03; mircea_popescu: and just 60 with 99.9% uptime.
10:17 asciilifeform ^
10:18 nubbins` right yeah
10:18 asciilifeform https://github.com/basil00/PseudoNode << obligatory. also in log
10:19 assbot basil00/PseudoNode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzmeO )
10:19 nubbins` i remember being terrified at the time
10:19 mircea_popescu and then you don't remember it going away.
10:19 * nubbins` mumbles something about getting pogos running
10:19 mircea_popescu why did it go away and why don't you remember it ?
10:19 mircea_popescu human physiology, the stuff the memory hole effect's made of.
10:19 nubbins` prolly a combination of poor memory and drug use
10:19 mircea_popescu more like, the brain's not made for thinking anymore than bitnodes' is made to count nodes.
10:19 mircea_popescu they're both made to make you feel good.
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10:20 asciilifeform incidentally, i assume everyone remembers the usg-sponsored outfit publicly parading their net of sybils (based on 'pseudonode' or something entirely like it. student can write equivalent in an evening)
10:20 mircea_popescu (the incidence of depression among idiots being for this reason the most amusing thing of all! seriously, YOU'RE depressed ? you don't even have enough of a fucking clue to be sad.)
10:20 nubbins` did anyone ever muck about w/ a buildroot toolchain after?
10:20 nubbins` or was i the only one barking up that tree
10:20 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158085 << mega-l0l! i think mine was made to feel like shit
10:20 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 14:19:57; mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.
10:20 nubbins` mircea_popescu fwiw smart people do depression way better than idiots.
10:21 asciilifeform so i sorta assumed it was for that.
10:21 mircea_popescu obviously.
10:21 mircea_popescu they actually have a right to it.
10:21 mircea_popescu rather than pretending depression under false pretenses much like "ununderstood" adolescents pretend to be gay.
10:21 asciilifeform nubbins`: i have buildroot working to my satisfaction. esp. after davout fixed the bug in mke2fs
10:21 asciilifeform nubbins`: but now we need a fully uclibc-ized bitcoind
10:21 nubbins` that's where i was stuck.
10:21 davout asciilifeform: mazeltov
10:22 nubbins` got buildroot built to my satisfaction, stalled up on actuall compiling bitcoind dependencies
10:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, in all that story a release is required.
10:22 mircea_popescu do we yet have something that people can put on pogo and run ?
10:22 asciilifeform nubbins`: the next necessary step is the complete excision of dns from bitcoind
10:22 nubbins` mircea_popescu i've had a statically built bitcoind for months now
10:22 nubbins` i just can't re-create the build ;/
10:22 mircea_popescu nubbins` exactly my point.
10:22 asciilifeform nubbins`: once this is done, it will be theoretically possible to build uclibc-ized bitcoind
10:23 asciilifeform and roll out buildroot+bitcoind buildatron
10:23 mircea_popescu whichd be sweet.
10:23 nubbins` actually, compiling boost w/ the buildroot toolchain is what had me stuck
10:23 asciilifeform i have a months-old patch on the ml, which got lost among the nuts and bolts, that nukes dns seeds
10:23 mircea_popescu pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else.
10:23 asciilifeform but this leaves the idiot 'whatismyip' thing
10:23 asciilifeform and a few other invocations
10:23 asciilifeform these - need to go
10:23 nubbins` i recall the discussion on that
10:24 nubbins` i think we reached an impasse as to what was the proper way to find one's own ip and then other nodes
10:24 asciilifeform nubbins`: there is a fallback in there - irc
10:24 nubbins` right, yeah
10:24 nubbins` imagine
10:24 asciilifeform nubbins`: if we snip out the 'whatismyip' thing, that becomes the one and only turtle on which the elephants stand
10:25 mircea_popescu nubbins` not exactly, config files.
10:25 nubbins` fuck, right, yeah.
10:25 asciilifeform and bitcoind will have to be given either a) own external ip, in config or b) ip of irc net to connect to
10:25 mircea_popescu what sort of remembering is this!
10:25 nubbins` text file sitting in the root dir
10:25 * nubbins` gestures to the drugs
10:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that is the runner's problem.
10:25 mircea_popescu and it is a correct solution.
10:25 mircea_popescu the approach here is to breach enemy's reliability,
10:26 asciilifeform this is probably when i confess that i have this sitting on my disk already
10:26 mircea_popescu nothing more.
10:26 asciilifeform needs to be cleaned up, tested, posted.
10:26 nubbins` woo
10:26 asciilifeform perhaps - this week's the time.
10:26 nubbins` oh wow, i missed out on the eulora thing
10:26 * asciilifeform actually considered buying a box on which eulora is playable
10:26 mircea_popescu myeah
10:27 * nubbins` does not "game"
10:27 mircea_popescu why not ?
10:27 nubbins` lack of interest
10:27 nubbins` <--filthy casual
10:27 nubbins` i'll kick your ass at mario kart 8 tho
10:27 mircea_popescu i dun think you comprehend how much ass eulora kicks and will kick in the future.
10:28 * asciilifeform bbl
10:28 mircea_popescu but i'll tell you this much : im sick and tired of having to switch games.
10:28 mircea_popescu so im going to make this one work and play it forever.
10:28 nubbins` i've got a vague idea. why else would i take a 25btc stock warrant? ;p
10:29 mircea_popescu lol
10:29 nubbins` valid answers include "that time you used it to earn 1btc on bitbet"
10:29 mircea_popescu haha what was that ?
10:30 mircea_popescu anyway, you missed out a 1337 satoshi/day permabag by not coming to sunday's event.
10:30 mircea_popescu but not to despair - another one this sunday.
10:30 nubbins` https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
10:30 assbot BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 :: 1.18 B (8%) on Yes, 14.07 B (92%) on No | closed 8 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBkfm )
10:30 nubbins` oh, fun
10:31 BingoBoingo Oh, other people catching on to the gawker model http://www.reaxxion.com/9508/gawker-writers-unionize-in-response-to-gamergates-bloody-nose
10:31 assbot Gawker Writers Unionize In Response To #GamerGate’s Bloody Nose ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBzH8 )
10:32 mircea_popescu lol
10:36 nubbins` woops
10:36 nubbins` protip: listen when your computer says you're at 5% battery
10:36 mircea_popescu because it usually lies
10:36 mircea_popescu and it's 0.3%
10:36 nubbins` next thing ya know a fan spins up and BAM
10:37 nubbins` but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday
10:39 nubbins` BingoBoingo lel @ gawker and all affiliated sites in general
10:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135207 @ 0.00035356 = 47.8038 BTC [-]
10:43 nubbins` from jezebel, for example: "The Katy Perry-Taylor Swift feud is undoubtedly the feud of our century"
10:43 nubbins` undoubtedly.
10:43 nubbins` there can be no doubt that in our century, this feud is number one
10:43 mircea_popescu heh.
10:43 mircea_popescu who are these two incidentally ?
10:43 nubbins` who cares
10:43 nubbins` pop stars
10:44 nubbins` http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ruTyZPcP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1288837417214035347.jpg
10:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODFXC )
10:44 nubbins` perry is on the left with the epic troll face
10:44 mircea_popescu http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/taylor-swift-showing-off-flexibility-new-nude-photo ?
10:44 assbot Taylor Swift Showing Off Her Flexibility In New Nude Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODI5J )
10:50 mircea_popescu in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/century-feud.jpg
10:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEIqG )
10:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94800 @ 0.00035912 = 34.0446 BTC [+] {2}
10:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117411 @ 0.00036636 = 43.0147 BTC [+] {2}
11:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35789 @ 0.00036758 = 13.1553 BTC [+]
11:03 mircea_popescu !gettrust heysteve
11:03 assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user heysteve: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=heysteve | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/heysteve/
11:04 ben_vulpes <nubbins`> but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday << if you figure out how lmk, i failed to do so miserably
11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167900 @ 0.00035302 = 59.2721 BTC [-] {4}
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00036805 = 18.3473 BTC [+] {2}
11:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192500 @ 0.00035087 = 67.5425 BTC [-] {3}
11:33 punkman new ups lasted a whole hour, impressed
11:34 mircea_popescu o.O
11:35 punkman I shut down the monitors and went for a walk after 10-15min, so it was mostly just idle computar
~ 23 minutes ~
11:58 pete_dushenski qntsideration incoming !
11:59 pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/00W44M1.txt
11:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoqmi )
11:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:01 pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla http://dpaste.com/0VY2ECF.txt
12:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoKBB )
12:01 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:02 pete_dushenski "Sex-Kitten.Net has been around nearly a decade, in one form or another. It was begun by me, Gracie Passette, as a place for women, by women, about women ~ not only to discuss sex, but certainly not avoiding it."
12:03 pete_dushenski some spamsite via a contravex commenter.
12:04 pete_dushenski "but certainly not avoiding the subject of sex even though no one said we were and even though that's the point of my derpy little spamblog !"
12:06 pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/a/SKPmk << amazing the dedication of these kidz.
12:06 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
12:06 assbot Huge crowd F1 Grand Prix Bitcoin booth - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWxP5N )
12:06 pete_dushenski they just won't give up !
12:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309835 @ 0.0003543 = 109.7745 BTC [+] {4}
12:07 pete_dushenski i was in montreal for the gp last year and they were doing the exact same shtick
12:08 pete_dushenski i would've bet a buck they'd have packed up and given up on their "komoonity centre" thing
12:08 pete_dushenski guess it still has legs.
12:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115315 @ 0.0003418 = 39.4147 BTC [-] {3}
12:08 pete_dushenski whaddya know.
12:10 pete_dushenski "Reigning world champion Hamilton finished 2.2 seconds clear of Rosberg at the end of 70 relatively-uneventful laps around Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve" << missed this over the weekend, i guess.
12:11 pete_dushenski last year's race was comparatively showy : massive crash on last lap, 1st win for non-mercedes car as red bull's ricciardo took the chequered flag
12:12 pete_dushenski this year i really can't be bothered to watch f1
12:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82122 @ 0.00037137 = 30.4976 BTC [+] {2}
12:12 pete_dushenski it's almost entirely lost its appeal
12:22 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else. << getting gentoo boxen for uclibc and cross-compilation's knocked mod6 and i on our asses
12:23 ben_vulpes well, me for certain.
12:23 ben_vulpes !up ascii_field
12:24 ben_vulpes went to get a garbagebox from freegeek.org yesterday - "tuesday through saturday"
12:24 ascii_field wats that
12:25 ben_vulpes local sommolier
12:25 ascii_field bought anything ?
12:25 ben_vulpes shit-melier
12:25 ben_vulpes trinque reported two thinkpads i wanted to acquire
12:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7525 @ 0.0003654 = 2.7496 BTC [-]
12:28 ben_vulpes might be able to acquire a tower or something with an i5 to play eulora
12:28 * ben_vulpes is rebuilding eulora from scratch. again.
12:30 ben_vulpes unrelated: on the quakers, consensus and 'activism' in america: http://berkeleyjournal.org/2015/05/the-theology-of-consensus/
12:30 assbot The Theology of Consensus | Berkeley Journal of Sociology ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZrZcf )
12:32 ascii_field ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/p7YVzlU.jpg
12:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZs7IJ )
12:32 ascii_field ^ re: uranium mine
12:33 ascii_field and yes, those are imperial 2.54mm headers soldered to metric 2mm dip
12:33 ben_vulpes "The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?
12:33 ascii_field ben_vulpes: did you perchance ever go to 'occupy' ?
12:34 * ascii_field did, and saw this alive
12:34 ascii_field they would hold their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'
12:34 danielpbarron i saw it in NYC on one of my field trips to see the marathon
12:35 ben_vulpes neat pickaxe, ascii_field
12:35 danielpbarron saw their human megaphone a.k.a. cultish chanting
12:35 ascii_field 'mic check'
12:35 danielpbarron yes that
12:35 ben_vulpes ascii_field: did indeed!
12:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the choice as to whether to sit by the pool and look pretty / sit by the oak desk and look stern was always open to everyone.
12:36 mircea_popescu tis what it is.
12:36 ben_vulpes was particularly amused that the one part of the park that worked - eg infrastructure team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership that delegated.
12:37 ben_vulpes evaporated quickly, though. nobody likes working for ungrateful derps - not even commie engineers.
12:38 mircea_popescu soo... i just got an email from Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
12:39 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski if your kids need mavis beacon, something's gone horribly wrong
12:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:39 ascii_field mircea_popescu: usg-themed spam is sop for years now
12:39 ascii_field but usually it's tax-flavoured
12:39 mircea_popescu ikr ?
12:39 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: lol i don't disagree !
12:39 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/fbi.png
12:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZsXoN )
12:40 ascii_field mircea_popescu: my guess it that it is mostly targeted at idiot expats. actual u.s. inmates know well that usg has not invented email yet.
12:40 mircea_popescu heh
12:40 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: let's start a school
12:41 pete_dushenski i'm in.
12:41 pete_dushenski 1. teachers can physically discipline students
12:41 pete_dushenski 2. students will learn to type on physical keyboards
12:41 pete_dushenski 3. no touchscreens allowed on the premises
12:41 mircea_popescu not swearing won't get you to heaven pete_dushenski
12:41 ascii_field pete_dushenski: realize that this is not unlike the 'everyone will learn to write' thing from back in the day
12:42 pete_dushenski 4. sexual education is to be taught in praxis, not just theory
12:42 ben_vulpes teachers'll have to order parents to do so, as the thing of necessity'll have to run over teh wotnet
12:42 mircea_popescu now that's an idea.
12:42 pete_dushenski i'm not done...
12:43 pete_dushenski 5. students will learn to think, then learn the alphabet, then learn to read
12:44 ben_vulpes i also suspect that the initial stable of teachers will actually be the parents. nobody else is going to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.
12:44 mircea_popescu "students will learn to fly then grow the wings most adequate to their preferred flight style"
12:44 ascii_field ^^^^
12:44 mircea_popescu "which will forthwith change as a result"
12:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes more importantly : why would you as a kid take a beating from someone you're not a in a sexual relationship with
12:44 pete_dushenski 6. those not academically inclined will be pruned from academic studies at age 13 to pursue technical professions
12:45 mircea_popescu romans had forbidden slaves (ie, teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating their kids as a cornerstone of civility.
12:45 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski what if they become inclined at 19 ?
12:45 jurov how is this determined at 13?
12:45 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: then self-teach ? go back to school ?
12:45 pete_dushenski jurov: tests.
12:45 mircea_popescu what if they go back to school with a chip on their shoulder
12:45 mircea_popescu and set your entire world ablaze ?
12:46 ben_vulpes not a bad outcome.
12:46 mircea_popescu the focus of this process should not be satisfaction of the designer
12:46 mircea_popescu but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.
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12:46 jurov there are tests for that?
12:46 mircea_popescu shit on the powerless, that's what they're there for.
12:47 pete_dushenski jurov: why not ?
12:47 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: how is "rightly" determined ?
12:47 mircea_popescu why not is not a permissible question in this context.
12:47 mircea_popescu rightly is determined by that they put your world ablaze.
12:47 jurov pete_dushenski: because human mind?
12:48 ascii_field pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for that matter, to see how the 'tests' thing works out
12:48 ascii_field in practice.
12:48 trinque the right kids will want to learn
12:48 mircea_popescu the concept of performance tests is not unlike the concept of postcard tourism.
12:48 trinque I tend to think you have to beat that out of the intelligent if it's absent
12:48 mircea_popescu "i've visited all the places my friends sent me cards from"
12:48 pete_dushenski tests can be interviews, written exams, theatre performances...
12:48 trinque and the wrong ones shouldn't be in the school
12:49 mircea_popescu the only half decent approximation of a test would be, "either you go to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".
12:49 ascii_field pete_dushenski: try to grasp that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily the ones you like.
12:50 mircea_popescu kids can opt whether to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on them
12:50 pete_dushenski ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't the cram-exam type myself !
12:51 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: kids can opt this for themselves ? not too young ?
12:51 ascii_field mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except there you get beatings + death in six years
12:51 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski apparently they're not too young to live and breathe.
12:51 pete_dushenski neither is 1-day-old
12:51 mircea_popescu quite.
12:51 mircea_popescu the notion that there's insulation from choice...
12:51 mircea_popescu some kids decide to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help them improve their choices ?
12:52 pete_dushenski with tests !
12:52 mircea_popescu o i know, put folic acid in everyone' flour
12:52 mircea_popescu and tests
12:52 mircea_popescu yes yes.
12:52 ascii_field it boggles my mind to see folks arguing for -more- perform-on-schedule-like-dancing-bear in child-herding
12:53 mircea_popescu ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
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12:53 ben_vulpes eh give him a break - the canuks get all their ideas from their southern protector
12:53 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: lol not true ! i read books and things too.
12:53 ascii_field we already know the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up to be
12:53 mircea_popescu so all that can conceivably be done is protection and tests.
12:54 pete_dushenski actually reading ascii_field recommended "chinese examination" book atm.
12:54 pete_dushenski ascii_field: concert pianists ?
12:54 mircea_popescu ascii_field re the perform on call thing : it definitely selects for the sort of woman you like.
12:54 ascii_field pete_dushenski: aha. see also mircea_popescu's essay on 'grinding men into spherical ball bearings'
12:54 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: this is an excellent point.
12:55 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
12:55 pete_dushenski damn it, just when we're getting rolling, meatspace beckons. later y'all !
12:56 * pete_dushenski looks forward to suggestions for "ben+pete's magickal skool for kidz who can mebbe not suck" in the logs
12:57 trinque give 'em things to build that don't suck.
12:57 trinque and force them to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished
12:57 ben_vulpes make 'em do math and physics by hand and computer
12:57 trinque and boot everyone that after that still sucks.
12:57 ben_vulpes latin, french
12:58 ben_vulpes read the bible three times, numbers in particular.
12:58 ascii_field ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth talking to became the way he is -in spite of-, rather than with the aid of, school.
12:59 mircea_popescu ascii_field school certainly aided me.
12:59 ascii_field how ?
12:59 ben_vulpes 'tisn't so much school, ascii_field, as a hedge against further retardifying the spawn
13:00 ascii_field mircea_popescu: yes, they teach ya green's theorem, etc.
13:00 ascii_field but could also learn this from book
13:00 mircea_popescu by consistently sucking my cock throughout my formative years
13:00 ascii_field l0l
13:00 ascii_field 'the microscope aided me. best hammer.'
13:00 mircea_popescu and then supplying a ready stable of eager sluts to get the ball started
13:01 mircea_popescu hey, what can i tell ya.
13:01 mircea_popescu it didn't come with instructions on the box.
13:02 ascii_field http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << mega-lulziez
13:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )
13:02 mircea_popescu mateirosca.com << win
13:11 ben_vulpes ;;later tell nubbins` didja ever get past the eulora new account screen?
13:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164000 @ 0.0003654 = 59.9256 BTC [-]
13:22 ascii_field '(dev-lang/perl-5.20.2:0/5.20::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with ...' followed by ten pages of barf
13:22 * ascii_field wants to roast someone, slowly
13:23 jurov yea i remember that, they reorganized it
13:23 ascii_field i'd like to reorganize their insides.
13:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00037301 = 18.5572 BTC [+] {2}
13:24 jurov https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1010432-start-25-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html
13:24 assbot Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Slot conflict dev-lang/perl-5.20.1-r4 and dev-lang/perl-5.18 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWJ1zl )
13:24 jurov generally, perl-cleaner
13:25 ascii_field tried that
13:26 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:26 ascii_field 'Why is Perl so F***ing special that it gets its own utility for un-f***ing it every time I need to update my system? Why does gentoo use perl at all for anything? In my sight its a disgusting useless barnacle of a write only language and this dependency stuff just makes me not want to touch it, ever, if I did suffer from temporary dementia and considered using it in one of my projects. We don't need a python-cleaner or
13:26 ascii_field C++-cleaner.'
13:26 ascii_field (from forum)
13:27 mircea_popescu we don't need a c++ cleanner ?
13:28 mircea_popescu how long have i been asleep ?
13:28 ascii_field mircea_popescu: cpp doesn't exist, to a first approximation, on a well-maintained unix box
13:28 ascii_field bitcoind is the thorn in everybody's side in this respect
13:29 mircea_popescu oh ok. so i didn't hallucinate valgrind igperf etcv
13:29 mircea_popescu got worried for a minute there
13:29 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the 'cleaner' in question was a util that is meant to clean up the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box
13:30 ascii_field and the crud built with previous versions dying en masse
13:30 mircea_popescu unlike the profilers.
13:31 ascii_field not really related except in the sense that the hose in a mortician's workshop is related to surgeon's endoscope
13:35 ascii_field mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather than cpp. they only kinda, sorta work on cpp
13:35 mircea_popescu because it never happened that if one "upgrades" suddenly c++ code stops working
13:35 ascii_field cpp is really a 'crime against nature' to the extent that nothing really can process the barf it produces
13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75050 @ 0.00037315 = 28.0049 BTC [+] {2}
13:38 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'
13:42 jurov and there is python-updater
13:42 jurov (better named)
13:43 jurov and haskell-updater, too
13:43 ascii_field ^ especially lulzy
13:45 ben_vulpes cabal install cabal-install
13:46 mod6 heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have to give this a try tonight on the gentoo aws instance.
13:46 * ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked the install, never touched it again. will never trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome type system ftw"
13:46 ben_vulpes but i suppose that i just don't understand how the (c, unix, haskell, programmering) world actually works
13:47 trinque jurov: I've totally fucked up my python install several times on gentoo, having to re-emerge python-exec, wtf ever that is
13:47 trinque gentoo has this crazy indirection between the various python versions (is I suspect the culprit, don't care enough to delve futher)
13:48 jurov yeah, since you're supposed to have 2 versions plus pypy plus whatnot working alongside something is bound to break
13:48 ben_vulpes just say no to python 3
13:49 trinque PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" # ftw
13:49 jurov i'm fine with py3k, if you get acclimatized it's actually easy to write stuff compatible with both
13:50 jurov but i'm software maggot, can eat anything
13:52 trinque heh
13:52 trinque yeah, I suppose you can write against that six module right?
13:53 * trinque is bailing from python as he can find excuse to
13:53 jurov agains what?
13:53 trinque jurov: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six
13:53 assbot six 1.9.0 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1KngqKL )
13:54 jurov oh, that. no, not needed it yet
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14:26 danielpbarron >> #534 in queue. << archive.is is getting spammed now?
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15:41 shinohai Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/
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15:41 assbot bailey jay is LE (proof inside woops i made a bailey jay blog post) : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6F8Yw )
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16:02 mircea_popescu danielpbarron i am unsurprised.
16:02 mircea_popescu except i just tried it and it went straight in
16:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00036782 = 35.7889 BTC [+]
16:07 mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << fwiw, the style of that production is exactly the "pov derpage" fashionable among the unemployed writers/table waiters of the day, whereas linguistic profile radically unbefitting a 40yo unemployed cab driver in bucharest
16:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )
16:07 mircea_popescu but what do i know.
16:11 mats http://i.imgur.com/Fvj8erB.png
16:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6HnLv )
16:12 mats oops, wrong one https://twitter.com/afreak/status/608321989900648448
16:12 mats DMCA flags on... an iframe.
16:14 mircea_popescu looks like airtel didn't want the news of their fraud public ?
16:15 mats yes
16:18 mats that letter is difficult to read
16:19 mats so much pretension
16:20 mircea_popescu http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/no-lands-man-or-how-not-to-do-an-election/ << more of the same, if you care.
16:20 assbot No Land’s Man or How Not to Do an Election | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnwhsD )
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16:32 mircea_popescu !up goregrind
16:34 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:34 ascii_field mats: https://archive.today/DVUie/005600bd57722743501a43c767b6ef8aadc48535.png << saved
16:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxCzw )
16:34 ascii_field http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/more-trouble-for-airtel-injects-javascript-code-to-monitor-data-usage-activist-receives-notice-270111.html << details of the dmca barratry
16:34 assbot More trouble for Airtel: Injects JavaScript code to monitor data usage; activist receives notice - Tech2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxAaV )
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16:40 mircea_popescu http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/the-medianett-saga-adventures-in-mercenary-churnalism/ << and here's a (very naive) story from the agitprop mines
16:40 assbot The Medianett saga: adventures in mercenary churnalism | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnyhRz )
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17:04 * lobbes is new to this cron job stuff.. surprised to find the -only- way to see errors is to email them to yourself (i.e cannot write to local log)?
17:04 lobbes seems... dumb
17:04 trinque lobbes: logs to syslog
17:05 trinque I guess depending on the cron jobber; there are quite a few of them
17:05 lobbes hmm that may be it
17:05 lobbes checked syslog, but the error prompted me to install an MTA
17:05 lobbes no specifics on the actual error.
17:06 * lobbes shrug
17:06 trinque lobbes: could've just been that the thing had output, not necessarily an error
17:06 trinque and then blew up trying to tell ya
17:06 fluffypony lobbes
17:06 fluffypony you can just have a cronjob that does something like
17:07 fluffypony command --flag --flag2 --blah blah@blah 2> /var/log/yourlogfile.log
17:07 fluffypony or whatever
17:07 trinque yup that too
17:07 fluffypony the 2> will pipe both STDOUT and STDERR
17:07 lobbes aha
17:08 lobbes interesting
17:08 fluffypony I normally pipe STDERR to /dev/null because I don't need no steenking errors
17:08 fluffypony and then get very frustrated when shit isn't working and I can't debug it
17:08 fluffypony because logic
17:08 lobbes haha
17:08 mircea_popescu i heard this before
17:08 trinque thought 2 was stderr only
17:09 fluffypony trinque: depends on shell and OS
17:09 trinque ah, k
17:09 fluffypony I think on OS X / FreeBSD you need 2&1>
17:09 trinque that's what I was thinking of, yep
17:09 trinque 2>&1 > /your/thing.log
17:09 trinque redirects stderr to stdout, then stdout to the log
17:10 lobbes sweet though, this gives me stuff to work with. thanks everyone
17:11 lobbes I always overlook the power of piping
17:11 mircea_popescu it's so great it's easy to overlook
17:11 trinque I used /dev/tcp magic making that gentoo image for mod6 the other day
17:12 trinque pretty neat
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18:06 mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kjkkMxn51rtlyn9o1_500.gif
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18:11 * shinohai saves mircea_popescu 's image for FapBot
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18:38 shinohai OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! http://redd.it/39694x
18:38 assbot WTF MultiBit HD? Why I have to pay a fee to you? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YgQa )
18:39 ben_vulpes old story, shinohai
18:39 shinohai It stiil boggles my mind whenever I see it.
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18:48 mats https://soundcloud.com/futureclassic/panama-jungle
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18:58 mircea_popescu !up copumpkin
18:58 mircea_popescu !up copypaste
19:07 mats http://saw.galois.com
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19:14 mircea_popescu !up referredbyloper
19:20 mats https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIYgqrytPK-CFWfqDntraA_Fwi2Ov-YBgMtl5hdrYd4 << 'Escaping VMWare Workstation Through COM1'
19:20 assbot Escaping VMware Workstation through COM1 - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDoibD )
19:22 mircea_popescu !up GcardBTC
19:28 GcardBTC I have some amazon giftcard for sale. Accepting crypto. Send me an email and we can work something out.
19:28 asciilifeform mats: iirc that is one of the lulzfarms that attempts to fuck with bitcoin net for usg
19:29 asciilifeform mats: and 'formally proven' properties of generic c - what a lol
19:29 mats yup
19:29 mats exactly that galois
19:29 asciilifeform i forget if this was public or not
19:29 asciilifeform guess it is now.
19:31 asciilifeform 'vprintproxy.exe is launched on the Host by vmware-vmx.exe as whichever user started VMware. vmware-vmx.exe and vprintproxy.exe communicate through named pipes. When writing to COM1 in the Guest, the packets will eventually end up in vprintproxy.exe for processing.' <<<< run moar winblows!! (tm)
19:31 asciilifeform 'The program performs unsafe 32-bit arithmetic, leading to an invalid size check prior to a memcpy() operation, leading to a heap overflow.' << can we plz haz shitgnomes playing 'underhanded c contest' prior to employment? these old idiocies are getting - well - old.
19:32 asciilifeform 'When extracting a TrueType font from the EMFSPOOL file, TPView.dll will verify the checksum of the font prior to further processing. To do so, it will walk the tables, zero out the padding at the end of a table and checksum the table. In doing so, it will trust the ‘offset’ field of the table record and add it to a pointer to the font buffer. While there is a check to make sure that we don’t go past the end of the font,
19:32 asciilifeform nothing prevents us from referencing and zeroing memory prior to the font, as the 32-bit arithmetic will wrap.' << ditto
19:33 asciilifeform 'Also the JPEG2000 parsing is done within a try-catch that catches all exception. This would allow an attacker to bruteforce his/her way to successful exploitation as the vprintproxy.exe would stay alive even through access violations.' << ahahahahaha.
19:33 asciilifeform yeah 'bug' sure.
19:33 asciilifeform 'cosmic rays' did this.
19:33 scoopbot_revived Exodus from Wall Street: HSBC lays off 50,000 employees http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-wall-street-hsbc-lays-off-50000-employees/
19:33 asciilifeform 'Identified mitigations. Load your Nagant, place in mouth, pull trigger.'
19:34 asciilifeform ^ not in document, but suggested fix.
19:34 mats lol
19:36 jurov http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/dangerous-minds-are-maths-teachers-australias-newest-threat-20150608-ghira9
19:36 assbot Dangerous minds: Are maths teachers Australia's newest threat? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDr3tB )
19:36 jurov "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
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19:37 mats fun fact: You can resolve kernel module addresses on Windows by looking at the session image list, which is linked to from a fixed VA.
19:39 pete_dushenski how is it that block 360213 was mined before 360212 ?
19:40 punkman timestamps can be wrong
19:40 pete_dushenski ah, just rough approximations then ?
19:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00034369 = 56.8807 BTC [-]
19:40 pete_dushenski 2 minutes seemed like a large gap.
19:40 punkman yeah block number is where it's at
19:41 trinque jurov: totalitarians going for broke eh?
19:41 pete_dushenski punkman makes sense.
19:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00035012 = 11.0638 BTC [+]
19:54 BingoBoingo <shinohai> OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! << The last sorta decent Multibit happened between 0.5.11 and 0.5.13
19:55 shinohai I don't personally use it, I just love those posts where they bitch about paying for things.
19:56 trinque shinohai: the internet is free comrade.
19:57 shinohai Free sure, but if I tell that to my ISP they likely will disconnect my service. xD
19:57 shinohai There *is* good free stuff online, I just don't expect it all to be free.
19:58 trinque nah, none of it should be free
19:59 trinque largest machine on earth if you consider it as such... and people think it should cost nothing
20:00 pete_dushenski trinque so what should the b-a foundation's bitcoind cost to download ?
20:00 asciilifeform trinque: 'should cost something' does not mean 'random derp gets to charge'
20:00 trinque pete_dushenski: it always costs *someone* *something*
20:01 pete_dushenski right, and we're talking about the end-user here, are we not ?
20:01 trinque we're talking about the end user's packets
20:01 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies
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20:01 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
20:02 pete_dushenski trinque packets and pockets
20:03 trinque pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax
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20:04 trinque at-will funding doesn't mean free, necessarily
20:04 trinque anyhow, just saying good work costs money
20:05 pete_dushenski agreed. "free" work results in retardopedia.
20:05 pete_dushenski though that's also the result of low barriers to entry
20:05 pete_dushenski which is a different consideration entirely.
20:06 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158558 << rly? from where i sit, it appears to be funded by folks willing to work for nothing
20:06 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 00:03:52; trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax
20:06 * asciilifeform for instance.
20:07 pete_dushenski asciilifeform you're funded by s.nsa :D
20:07 trinque yep, said it costs "someone something", time in this case
20:07 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: you sorta have it reversed
20:07 shinohai I am not saying there is anything wrong with free (Debian for example). Just that if you want a different product with extended features, those cost $ to develop/
20:07 trinque though perhaps money in time
20:07 trinque shinohai: I'm saying someone always foots the bill
20:07 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: s.nsa is, in practice thus far, funded by my lunch money.
20:07 trinque and there is no such thing as something without a cost
20:07 * trinque wishes asciilifeform many cardano sales
20:08 * asciilifeform wishes also.
20:08 pete_dushenski asciilifeform as you've mentioned many a time, but in turn you're given stocks and options of some value
20:08 pete_dushenski it seems that your lack of a meatspace broker is requiring expenses to be out-of-pocket
20:09 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it isn't a lack-of-broker problem, but an i-live-on-usg-scrip problem
20:09 asciilifeform if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.
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20:09 asciilifeform (other than adding to my usg-jailable liabilities)
20:10 pete_dushenski exactly zero ?
20:10 asciilifeform well, epsilon.
20:10 asciilifeform (one can buy petrol with them, that's mostly it)
20:10 pete_dushenski eh, what's wrong with non-zero improvements ?
20:10 pete_dushenski groceries
20:10 pete_dushenski pre-paid visa cards
20:10 asciilifeform sure.
20:10 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: aha no
20:10 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: prepaid cards, where i live, require government id
20:10 pete_dushenski lolk mebbe not the visas...
20:11 pete_dushenski though i'm sure pre-paid visas can be purchased on craigslist or the like
20:11 pete_dushenski or through wot
20:11 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: invitation to be beaten and robbed
20:11 shinohai craigslist kek
20:12 asciilifeform if through wot, invitation to get some other fine fella gassed on my account
20:12 pete_dushenski ok, so you stick with cash and take 'pet' out for lovely restaurant dinner, fill gastank, buy best organic veggies and steaks.
20:13 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: this is perhaps 1-2% of my costs.
20:13 pete_dushenski easy $1k/mo
20:13 pete_dushenski you spend $100k/mo then ?
20:13 asciilifeform mno
20:13 asciilifeform but i don't eat that much food
20:13 asciilifeform or burn so much fuel.
20:13 asciilifeform to roughly compare, this wouldn't be an airplane, just a pogo stick that lets you jump a few metres.
20:14 asciilifeform at the cost of now having to guard a suitcase of plutonium
20:14 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> 'cosmic rays' did this. << beats null op heh
20:14 pete_dushenski plutonium = cash ?
20:15 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: aha
20:15 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: in your own country a fella just sat down for 3 yrs for having turned up with a bag of benjies.
20:15 pete_dushenski $10k isn't $1 mn +
20:15 mircea_popescu 50k hsbc employees worked on wall street ? gimme a break.
20:16 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu ftr, not my title ! i also proposed including "the city"
20:16 * asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire
20:16 * asciilifeform opens window
20:17 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << ok that shit's absolutely vile.
20:17 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
20:17 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu though really, should be "50k fired from europe and americas"
20:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is 100% based on usg doctrine circa 1950s and onwards re: research even tangentially related to nukes
20:18 asciilifeform ;;google born classified
20:18 gribble Born secret - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret>; Security Classification of Information, volume 2 (Quist), Chapter Three: <http://www.fas.org/sgp/library/quist2/chap_3.html>; What Does "Born Secret" Mean? (with pictures) - wiseGEEK: <http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-born-secret-mean.htm>
20:18 mircea_popescu fuck them.
20:18 mircea_popescu if anyone asks them anything i'll be sure to send them an email.,
20:18 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire << This is tragedy actual floppy drives that haven't been run to shit or decayed on their own are increasingly rare
20:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the specimen i turned up has clearly seen better days.
20:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 5v to gnd is a dead short.
20:19 asciilifeform it bothers me that i am at a loss as to how this could even physically happen
20:19 asciilifeform unit will have to be cut open, dissected.
20:19 mircea_popescu i don't see it either.
20:19 mircea_popescu what fire.
20:20 mircea_popescu you had a nitrocellulose disk in there or what
20:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the power harness.
20:20 asciilifeform overtemp from dead short in drive.
20:20 asciilifeform incidentally, the au thing is more interesting than seems on the surface, because came directly out of 'wassenar agreement', a usg imposition on its entire colonial domain
20:21 asciilifeform (including usa proper)
20:21 mircea_popescu myeah.
20:21 asciilifeform it was formally proclaimed that 'security tools' and especially 0days proper are now considered 'arms'
20:21 asciilifeform like pgp in the '90s
20:21 BingoBoingo USia just just starting to derp about itw Wassenar implementation
20:22 mircea_popescu moreover, "this is where you have to break the laws of your country because we don't like breaking ours"
20:22 asciilifeform interestingly, it is not even a treaty in the formal sense
20:22 asciilifeform just an 'agreement'
20:23 asciilifeform which means that legislatures do not get to discuss it as a yes/no
20:23 asciilifeform but 'suck usg cock or else'
20:23 mircea_popescu it is not worth the paper it's printed on.
20:23 asciilifeform nato blok is run much like u.s. folk imagine warsaw pact was ran.
20:23 BingoBoingo "There are no poisons that are specifically designed to kill lizards." >> http://www.ask.com/home-garden/poison-should-used-kill-lizards-ef7334a7b9c23689
20:23 assbot Which poison should be used to kill lizards? | Ask.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gc1prW )
20:23 BingoBoingo I wonder why?
20:24 mircea_popescu lol
20:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo now drinking mellower pain thinners :D
20:24 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Taking the first half of the week off from that.
20:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik no lizard is a serious matter in agriculture. which would be why.
20:24 mircea_popescu aha.
20:25 mircea_popescu in fairness, plants did poison long before we showed up, and way better anyway.
20:25 mircea_popescu we're basically trying to be substitute plants
20:26 mircea_popescu "Defence said the new rules are necessary to stop the wrong technology falling into the hands of states or groups of proliferation concern." << this is bound to collide with bitcoin in the mid term, by the way.
20:26 mircea_popescu states are untineresting, groups however...
20:26 asciilifeform mid-term l0l
20:26 mircea_popescu we're the state slayer. worst group ever.
20:26 asciilifeform how about yesterday.
20:27 mircea_popescu factually not yesterday, but anyway.
20:31 asciilifeform it is also not a secret what they are pushing as 'wrong technology.'
20:31 asciilifeform usg is working on plugging holes in the wintel-to-nsa pipeline.
20:32 mircea_popescu aha.
20:33 BingoBoingo Hence the intel graphics driver news
20:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: objective there is to herd the remaining linux/bsd diehards onto nvidia/ati
20:34 asciilifeform 'want a vga card? run usg blobs. get on your knees, ready to please.'
20:34 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I thought it was to get people on the fence to return to winblows because they accidentally bought the wrong machine
20:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the only thing usg likes more than chump running winblows is a chump who thinks he isn't, but is.
20:35 mircea_popescu that's a point.
20:35 BingoBoingo yeah
20:35 mircea_popescu and in between them, systemd.
20:35 asciilifeform use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.
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20:37 asciilifeform the proximate goal of wassenar etc. is not to jail academics (though the 'chilling effect' is a bonus for usg) but to herd the legit multinational corps who mine winblows 0days (e.g., 'vupen') and sell on market, into usg banners.
20:38 asciilifeform 'do it under our watch or not at all'
20:38 mircea_popescu romanian expression being "pasarea malai viseaza"
20:38 asciilifeform (see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1091295 etc)
20:38 assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 21:38:53; ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc
20:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is that something like 'who speaks of what but the lousy will speak of baths' ?
20:40 mircea_popescu "the bird dreams of ground corn"
20:40 asciilifeform ('кто о чем а вшивый о бане')
20:40 asciilifeform ah
20:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the full form actually is, "vrabia malai viseaza si lenesul praznic" (and the lazy man, a saint's day feast). sorta reminiscent of your drowned boy.
20:42 asciilifeform aha
20:42 asciilifeform we have several versions of this proverb.
20:43 asciilifeform 'и рыбку съесть и на хуй сесть' << '[wishes for] to both eat the fish -and- sit down on the cock'
20:43 mircea_popescu lol
20:52 asciilifeform (question is always asked, how are these two activities in conflict? one version holds that original was '[to wish for] to both eat the fish -and- suck the cock')
20:52 asciilifeform yet another was that it started life as 'to wish for to eat the fish and -not- sit down on the cock'
20:53 asciilifeform see also http://matpogovorki.jimdo.com/%D0%B8
20:53 assbot И - Крупнейшая коллекция матерных поговорок ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1pHvZ )
20:53 asciilifeform ^ large collection of similar proverbs.
20:56 asciilifeform 'Ивану за атаку - хуй в сраку. А Маньке за пизду - Красную Звезду.' << related. 'ivan led the attack, got a cock in his back. masha's twat went far, got her a red star.' ( http://ordenrf.ru/upload/nagrady/orden-krasnoy-zvezdy-3-a.jpg )
20:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1q3mn )
20:56 asciilifeform everyone who likes proverbs pertaining to buggery - straight to this mega-resource.
21:08 mircea_popescu pretty sure fish = cunt here
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21:45 mircea_popescu in other news, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GlWh-oQE7aM/UbcBnwxEz2I/AAAAAAAAAVM/cd9d-zEJPXo/s1600/188426_10150106868550178_120612075177_6796052_7699443_n.jpg"
21:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F73aTl )
21:49 scoopbot_revived Browder the Bitcoinless http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless/
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35364 @ 0.00037257 = 13.1756 BTC [+]
22:01 mod6 Switched over to gentoo hardened with uclibc on amazon to see if we can get a build of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and if so, hopfully get some profiling going here. This is what I'm workin with: http://dpaste.com/0B1CXQ8.txt
22:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1F74ndu )
22:10 decimation asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609
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22:10 assbot Convicted killer in New York prison break on third escape attempt| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tWVD )
22:11 scoopbot_revived US Government Shuts Down US Government Drug Manufacturing Operation http://qntra.net/2015/06/us-government-shuts-down-us-government-drug-manufacturing-operation/
22:11 decimation it's been all over the news, has attracted half the cops in new york apparently
22:18 scoopbot_revived Eulorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eulorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/
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22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00035355 = 7.1417 BTC [-]
22:39 trinque bahahaha, clicked "in other news link" expecting tits
22:39 trinque got ducklings
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39636 @ 0.00037257 = 14.7672 BTC [+]
22:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.19990379 = 2.7987 BTC [-]
22:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23606 @ 0.00037552 = 8.8645 BTC [+]
22:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53679 @ 0.00035798 = 19.216 BTC [-]
22:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15021 @ 0.00035971 = 5.4032 BTC [+]
23:02 danielpbarron !up goregrind
23:02 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158703 << i'm with herr limonov on this subject. the outlaw is '100x the man' of all of his pursuers put together.
23:02 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 02:10:55; decimation: asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609
23:02 asciilifeform i personally wish him a long life and many successes.
23:05 mats http://risky.biz/RB368
23:05 assbot Risky Business #368 -- AusCERT edition: Brian Krebs, Eva Galperin and more! | Risky Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGUf19 )
23:05 asciilifeform mats: i actually just finished that one, l0l
23:06 asciilifeform (in a car)
23:06 mats im told its p good 3/4
23:06 asciilifeform galperin was a very sad case
23:06 asciilifeform eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'
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23:07 mats as expected
23:10 mod6 I forget whom it might have been, maybe nubbins` who said that the openssl headers don't get copied correctly on gentoo from the openssl build dir into ourlibs/include/openssl, i can confirm.
23:10 decimation asciilifeform: as I said, many catch a bullet in baltimore every day, nobody gives a shit
23:10 decimation two outlaws escape prison, commit the crime of making gov't look like buffons
23:10 asciilifeform decimation: no one gives half a damn what orcs do
23:11 asciilifeform aha, escaped prisoner is 'affront to the majesty of the law' (tm) (r)
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23:11 decimation exactly, which in this case consists of state bureaucrats
23:11 decimation just like dpr did
23:14 asciilifeform ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp
23:14 assbot Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGVhKE )
23:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:14 asciilifeform ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial
23:14 assbot Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGVkWY )
23:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:16 asciilifeform e.g., did bernard von nothaus get on front of nyt? why not?
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23:23 decimation asciilifeform: good point, also committed lese majeste
23:28 decimation https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/ < many on herr handle's list too
23:28 assbot Bullied and Badgered, Pressured and Purged | Handle's Haus ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGWWQg )
23:28 * asciilifeform has met ^ alive a few times
23:29 asciilifeform but not lately.
23:29 asciilifeform we didn't really hit it off, and possibly also his boss ordered him to stop hanging out with hooligans.
23:29 decimation I haven't met, would like too
23:29 decimation too bad his blog seems dead
23:29 asciilifeform hence (2)
23:30 mod6 hmm, weird, getting this error now: net.cpp: In function 'void ThreadOpenConnections2(void*)': net.cpp:1357:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope int64 nBest = INT64_MIN;
23:30 decimation he occasionally posts on spandrell's
23:30 mod6 anyway, I'll pick this back up tomorrow. getting closer...
23:31 asciilifeform herr handle works, well, you know where, https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/a-fifth-column-in-every-pot/#comment-2056
23:31 assbot A Fifth Column In Every Pot | Handle's Haus ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxHgQz )
23:32 decimation heh someone should invite him here
23:33 asciilifeform i doubt he'll show
23:33 danielpbarron there are some people trying to get Bernard to speak at porcfest; not sure how that panned out
23:35 asciilifeform my own personal picture of him is, he isn't 'ideological' usg, but rather a fella who quit a promising academic career to turn soldier, and went half-deaf in afghan, along with devil knows what else; but was then rewarded with lucrative bureaucrat post. he won't be giving it up.
23:35 danielpbarron ah, apparently they sucessfully booked him
23:35 decimation asciilifeform: probably alot of such in usg
23:35 danielpbarron neato; I'll try to talk to this guy
23:35 asciilifeform if herr handle turns up here, it will probably be in the 'ninjashotgun' capacity. so i'd rather he didn't
23:35 asciilifeform let the man keep some dignity
23:38 mats ah, the coveted 'ten point preference'
23:38 asciilifeform mats: he's a lawyer.
23:38 asciilifeform funnily enough.
23:38 decimation I donno, I suspect usg is losing folks in droves
23:38 asciilifeform decimation: the other usg.
23:38 asciilifeform handle's usg is hiring.
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23:38 mats ah, assumed civil servant
23:38 asciilifeform and bonusing.
23:38 asciilifeform mats: lawyer employed as civil servant.
23:38 decimation asciilifeform: nah, too hot of a potato
23:39 decimation congress can't be caught doing anything positive for intel these days
23:39 asciilifeform decimation: congress doesn't even sign off on that budget.
23:39 asciilifeform ('intelligence committee' does. and signs like clockwork.)
23:39 decimation lol of course they do
23:39 decimation most of them just don't know what they are signing
23:40 asciilifeform if they knew, they'd have to kill'em (tm) (r)
23:40 decimation asciilifeform: what good can come from a congressman looking into secret stuff?
23:40 decimation best case is nothing
23:40 trinque the "they" that's smart enough to kill 'em is dumb enough to http://betanews.com/2013/01/03/windows-8-is-good-enough-for-the-us-department-of-defense/
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23:40 assbot Windows 8 is good enough for the US Department of Defense ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxHI1c )
23:40 asciilifeform 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
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23:40 decimation worst case is that they learn something embarassing
23:41 trinque we must be so goddamn tactically weak militarily at this point
23:41 trinque the rot in our economy is surely there as well
23:41 asciilifeform trinque: rot and infinite money, 200k usd office/fellatio assistants not only coexist, but go together like bread/butter
23:41 trinque I'm sure
23:42 decimation heh not on usg salary
23:42 decimation unless they have general's pay
23:42 asciilifeform decimation: intelligence has own pay grade ladder
23:42 asciilifeform classified, and not subject to review except by self
23:42 trinque and "intelligence" with which to make money
23:43 asciilifeform plus access to butterball 'consulting' contracts
23:43 asciilifeform where the actual money is
23:43 decimation no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash
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23:45 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NSA-Salaries-E41534.htm < lol
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23:45 assbot NSA Salaries | Glassdoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGYUjN )
23:45 decimation doesn't look like big money to me
23:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26274 @ 0.00035971 = 9.451 BTC [+]
23:45 asciilifeform big money for folks with humble professions
23:46 asciilifeform (e.g., programmers straight from school, maths grad students, etc)
23:46 trinque about in line with working at a middling software company in portland
23:46 asciilifeform plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.
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23:47 asciilifeform herr handle bragged about keeping kid in day care 'guarded by battalion'
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23:47 asciilifeform obligatory: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Bureaucrat_Song
23:47 assbot Bureaucrat Song - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGZlKN )
23:47 trinque heh!
23:48 decimation lol it might be worth making a burner identity to read these reviews
23:49 trinque with the abovementioned rot, I tend to anticipate the day when some US enemy of the many just turns whatever network-connected weapons we have inward.
23:50 trinque everything the NSA and other unmentioned corruptors have done has made us utterly. weak.
23:51 trinque and I know such systems are supposed to be disconnected from other networks, sure
23:51 trinque like the boeing entertainment system
23:51 trinque nobody ever connects a flash drive at the weapons installations
23:52 asciilifeform trinque: go connect flash drive to pdp-8.
23:52 trinque we're making new weapons-carrying machines all the time
23:52 asciilifeform with 'microvax' (yes)
23:53 trinque maybe they're safer than I think
23:53 trinque I wouldn't mind that being the case.
23:53 asciilifeform the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's
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23:53 asciilifeform that is, on vintage iron
23:53 decimation heh "Cons: The management. The lack of parking. The decrepit facilities. The location. The political fallout from recent events."
23:53 trinque thank some god or another for that, then
23:54 decimation doesn't sound like a sinecure to me
23:54 decimation "cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."
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23:55 trinque asciilifeform: still the thing must leak at the level of operational communications
23:55 trinque I suppose that's what the win8 machines were for
23:56 decimation "Very low quality workforce overall. At times NSA employment feels like welfare for ex-military who couldn't get better jobs. Moreover, because there are too many employees, we cannot reward the highest performers with a reasonable salary."
23:57 asciilifeform no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)
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23:58 decimation surely many of them are insane
23:58 decimation otheres have found something interesting to do
23:58 trinque not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life
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23:59 asciilifeform having worked in a very obscure usg bureaucracy (one of the many army labs) i will say this - it is a kind of valhalla for folks with own projects / ideas. not because anyone will support these (smoke less crack) but because there is virtually no accountability, management, or actual task
23:59 asciilifeform you can sit there and do mostly whatever.
23:59 asciilifeform for most of the 'staff', this consists of reading porn, yes
23:59 asciilifeform but it is not mandatory
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