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00:00 mod6 eh, maybe i was wrong about what that email contains, i guess it's from may of 2012. ugh, too tired. my apologies.
00:01 * mod6 is out
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01:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00042177 = 3.6272 BTC [+]
01:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14593 @ 0.0004165 = 6.078 BTC [-] {2}
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01:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00041275 = 6.5215 BTC [-] {2}
01:27 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
01:30 Vexual hey, hows that vette running?
01:31 Vexual surely its a diff machine now
01:36 ben_vulpes heh, mebbe in that i've worn her in a bit now.
01:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00042177 = 2.6968 BTC [+]
01:45 ben_vulpes does anyone recall where the (brief) thread on replacing rpc with signals went?
01:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8416 @ 0.0004202 = 3.5364 BTC [-]
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02:10 ben_vulpes http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
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02:10 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1BDVaPk )
02:10 * ben_vulpes not actually testing this tonight, just reading code
02:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10945 @ 0.00042177 = 4.6163 BTC [+]
02:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00042177 = 2.5939 BTC [+] {2}
02:37 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so it goes faster ? :D
02:38 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it sets it to the specified ip
02:39 mircea_popescu otherwise it only allows 127.0.0.1
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02:59 ben_vulpes well i'm reading that as a ternary operator
03:00 ben_vulpes = (test) ? (val if test returns true) : (val if test returns false)
03:00 ben_vulpes am i off my rocker?
03:01 mircea_popescu but the true is a function call
03:02 ben_vulpes asio::ip::address_v4::any() << looks wide ope to me
03:02 mircea_popescu http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_50_0/boost/asio/ip/address_v4.hpp << see there
03:02 assbot boost/asio/ip/address_v4.hpp - 1.50.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmAIVU )
03:02 mircea_popescu it just transforms a numeric value into a boost "object"
03:03 ben_vulpes which numeric value? i read " if flag is passed, accept requests from any ipv4 addr. else, only accept connections on the loopback interface"
03:05 mircea_popescu nah. it's -rpcallowip=x
03:05 mircea_popescu and it turns the x into something it can use as an ip
03:05 mircea_popescu "if flag is passed, transform its value into an ip and use that"
03:08 mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzug50hc4W1r2k92so1_1280.jpg
03:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gee9we )
03:10 ben_vulpes that's som implicit ass semantics if that's how shit's actually workgin
03:10 ben_vulpes i only have this to go on http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/14631/
03:11 assbot How to use the Conditional (ternary) ope - C++ Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Geej6J )
03:11 ben_vulpes dun see how the test value gets passed to the function invocations
03:11 ben_vulpes and that method call any() looks like..."any"
03:12 mircea_popescu i didn't come up with boost.
03:12 ben_vulpes hey look! pits!
03:13 ben_vulpes if that works the way you say it works that's more implicit than rails
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05:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15353 @ 0.00041296 = 6.3402 BTC [+] {2}
05:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19878 @ 0.00040768 = 8.1039 BTC [-] {4}
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06:00 jurov https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9750797 kek
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06:00 assbot Windows 10 “WiFi Sense” automatically leaks your wifi password to strangers | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAhsAd )
06:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00041522 = 7.557 BTC [+] {2}
06:19 punkman https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator
06:19 assbot xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAju3k )
06:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00041868 = 2.3446 BTC [+] {2}
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06:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12730 @ 0.00043106 = 5.4874 BTC [+] {2}
07:05 punkman http://mig.mozilla.org/
07:05 assbot MIG: Mozilla InvestiGator by mozilla ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEln03 )
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08:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00041531 = 3.9039 BTC [-] {2}
08:43 williamdunne Hello all
08:43 williamdunne I'm back in the UK, so will begin appearing again
08:43 williamdunne Naphex: Did your friend launch the RO exchange?
08:55 williamdunne ;;seen scoopbot_revived
08:55 gribble scoopbot_revived was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 12 hours, 40 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <scoopbot_revived> Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://trilema.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/
08:55 williamdunne Ohshit
08:56 williamdunne Wonder what happened there
09:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00042412 = 19.8488 BTC [+] {4}
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09:32 punkman http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/17/law-enforcement-seizes-11000-from-24-year-old-at-airport-without-charging-him-with-a-crime/
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09:32 assbot Law Enforcement Seizes $11,000 From 24-Year-Old ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKk8D0 )
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09:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00043866 = 2.4126 BTC [-]
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10:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00043979 = 3.2325 BTC [+]
10:43 punkman http://i.imgur.com/M9gviD3.jpg
10:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BvnnHu )
10:44 mircea_popescu i see your raisinettes and raise you the maid : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8sfllwJJS1qeqtbxo1_1280.jpg
10:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bvnva1 )
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11:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2512 @ 0.00043979 = 1.1048 BTC [+]
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11:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0004397 = 2.2864 BTC [+]
11:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0004397 = 2.5942 BTC [+]
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12:12 mod6 So yeah, in the version (v0.2.1) from MPs email, that code to find the external ip is included. Also if I do a checkout of tag v0.1.5 from git, same thing. Still don't know who added it for sure though.
12:15 mod6 anyway, it's neither really here nor there.
12:23 mod6 ;;bc,stats
12:23 gribble Current Blocks: 361912 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 967 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
12:23 mod6 !t m s.mpoe
12:23 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00040352 / 0.00042091 / 0.00045217 (1775681 shares, 747.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00036741 / 0.0004229 / 0.00047031 (20583079 shares, 8,704.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00026467 / 0.00035047 / 0.00047031 (106048949 shares, 37,167.48 BTC)
12:28 mircea_popescu mod6 it was in the first implementation too. pretty sure it's OA.
12:31 mod6 Objection Argumentitive? yeah, guess it is.
12:31 mircea_popescu original author lol
12:32 mod6 ahh, haha. ok
12:34 mod6 Unrelated, I downgraded my GPG version from v1.4.13 to v1.4.10 -- incase anyone notices the change in my sigs.
12:40 mod6 v1.4.10 is from Sept. 2nd 2009 https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2009q3/000291.html where v1.4.13 is from Dec. 20th 2012 https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2012q4/000319.html which was still pre-snowden, but only by ~4-5 months.
12:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcLld2 )
12:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcLkpo )
12:41 williamdunne mircea_popescu: how did you get 3% RO tax rate?
12:41 mircea_popescu small businesses pay 3% of income. the other option is to pay 16% of net income.
12:42 williamdunne Oh okay
12:42 mircea_popescu you can also opt to be a vat payer (in which case you also get to deduct vat you paid)
12:42 williamdunne So works out a lot better if you have high profit margins to do 3% income
12:42 mircea_popescu but best used in the hands of a competent local accountant, because it's complex.
12:43 mircea_popescu williamdunne moreover, there are better jurisdictions to deduct expenses in than romania.
12:44 mircea_popescu deduct in london, get out of 60% rather than in romania, which has 16% pretty much throughout.
12:44 Naphex williamdunne: not yet, no RO exchanges alive atm
12:44 williamdunne Naphex: I was terrified this was the finished product
12:44 williamdunne https://bitcoinxromania.com/en/home/
12:44 assbot Bitcoin Exchange Romania - your cryptocurrency source ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcM267 )
12:45 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Hmm okay, makes sense. But in UK you have dividend tax which sucks
12:45 mircea_popescu what's that to do with anything ?
12:45 williamdunne Which if I'm reading correctly, doesn't apply to EU citizens for Romanian companies
12:45 mircea_popescu why would you be paying yourself dividends in london ?
12:45 williamdunne Not the only shareholder
12:46 mircea_popescu if it's a large company you don't gas about dividends. if it's small hire them as consultants or w/e
12:46 Naphex williamdunne: nah, that looks like ssome scam
12:46 mircea_popescu srsly, get a tax lawyer, this is a thing.
12:46 williamdunne True, will be worth doing
12:47 williamdunne Naphex: Definitely, I'm guessing its the scammer you worked for trying to revive his shit without your source
12:47 mircea_popescu contrary to popular belief tax lawyers are not expensive, ~especially~ if you're young and you look like you know what you're doing. most of their revenue comes from their list, which they can only add at the early stages, nobody's switching late in the game.
12:47 mircea_popescu it's very much like the hiring market for businesses.
12:48 williamdunne That actually makes a lot of sense, want to keep hold of you for when you are big
12:59 williamdunne mircea_popescu: I know your policy on MPEX is only to support bitcoin denominated businesses, but whats your opinion on exchanges? IMO while fiat is involved, revenue is almost entirely pegged to bitcoin
13:03 williamdunne Oh and what is the name of the 8ch guy again?
13:03 asciilifeform williamdunne: plz add phuctor rss ?
13:04 williamdunne asciilifeform: Remind me tomorrow, and yeah I need to revive scoop anyway
13:04 williamdunne Still not at home
13:04 williamdunne Just the UK
13:05 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170756 << yes
13:05 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 06:10:10; ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
13:05 asciilifeform predicate ? action : else-action
13:05 asciilifeform as per k&r
13:06 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170794 << run moar winblows ! (tm)
13:06 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 10:00:19; jurov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9750797 kek
13:09 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170818 << the folks who like to brag about how they work for physical benjies will enjoy this link
13:09 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 13:32:42; punkman: http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/17/law-enforcement-seizes-11000-from-24-year-old-at-airport-without-charging-him-with-a-crime/
13:11 williamdunne asciilifeform: mai muny nao
13:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8907 @ 0.00043813 = 3.9024 BTC [-]
13:20 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170738 << iirc it was 0.6.2
13:20 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 03:57:27; mod6: good point, i shouldn't speculate about weather satoshi wrote that or not without looking at MP's submission of the original bitcoin. (http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html)
13:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.0004289 = 8.3207 BTC [-] {3}
13:27 mod6 0.6.2?
13:27 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170737 << does ben_vulpes write single-threaded net proggies often ?
13:27 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 03:52:09; ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a good reason why bitcoind had to be a multithreaded proggy?
13:27 mod6 no, MPs email contained v0.2.1
13:27 asciilifeform mod6: not the linked one
13:27 asciilifeform mod6: perhaps earlier ?
13:29 mod6 oooh. i was super confused. ok the name of the file is "bitcoin-src-21may2012.tar.gz"
13:29 mod6 not v0.2.1 may 21st. smh
13:29 asciilifeform aha
13:29 mod6 *sigh*
13:30 mod6 anyway, i did checkout git tag v0.1.5 and the code there has the external ip stuff too.
13:31 asciilifeform pretty sure this crud was in the original 'wire protocol.'
13:31 mod6 whats the wire protocol?
13:32 asciilifeform mod6: lowest level of the bitcoin spec - order in which fields go in message, their contents, etc
13:32 asciilifeform traditional (apparently) name.
13:33 mod6 ah, didn't know it had a name.
13:33 * asciilifeform still recovering from yesterday's dive into the pile of shit, and wonders who and where hates said pile nearly as much as he does
13:33 mod6 anyway, yeah, i think this crud goes all the way back to the start.
13:38 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu historical q. has anyone ever publicly attempted an honest implementation of 'provably destroy coin on bitcoin blockchain, re-materialize on $altcoin chain' mechanism? or was all known work on the subject perpetrated by idiot sc4mz0rz ?
13:38 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:41 trinque mod6: I awaken
13:41 trinque coffee in hand
13:41 trinque lettuce slay the gcc dragon
13:41 trinque or like... poke it in the eye and run
13:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00042537 = 1.6802 BTC [-]
13:56 mod6 trinque: werd. sounds good.
13:56 punkman asciilifeform: I think the state of the art is: you send X BTC to 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE then new genesis block assigns X newcoin to originating address, or something along these lines
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13:56 mod6 nooooo
13:58 punkman counterparty burn address http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
13:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqYeUw )
14:04 ben_vulpes is today the day we vendor gcc?
14:04 * ben_vulpes pulls on waders
14:05 * ben_vulpes pulls on galoshes over waders
14:05 * ben_vulpes digs asbestos gloves out of the closet
14:09 punkman http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/special-reports/598388/wild-cats-cocaine-and-claims-of-a-police-set-up
14:09 assbot Wild cats, cocaine and claims of a police set-up | Bangkok Post: news ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqZyXE )
14:16 funkenstein_ more sugar on an average benjamin
14:22 mod6 soon to be bennifer
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14:46 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170737 << does ben_vulpes write single-threaded net proggies often ? << ima sheep, but i was just thinking that spinning off a whole new thread to flush the db and sleep for half a second was a bit heavy handed.
14:46 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 03:52:09; ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a good reason why bitcoind had to be a multithreaded proggy?
14:48 punkman http://analytx.io/
14:48 assbot The Bitcoin Network | Joola ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4P0dD )
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15:12 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170756 << yes << mircea_popescu asciilifeform plz foar to fight
15:12 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 06:10:10; ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
15:13 ben_vulpes is this ThreadSocketHandler -> ThreadSocketHandler2 pattern common in c++ multithreaded proggies?
15:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00043312 = 3.1834 BTC [+]
15:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00042208 = 9.4546 BTC [-] {3}
15:31 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/acrophobia/
15:31 assbot Acrophobia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXSXhO )
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16:06 mircea_popescu ;;later tell funkenstein_ nice
16:06 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform idiot scammzorz/naive webdevelopers.
16:07 mircea_popescu the problem reduces to "find a salt that will turn this trivial hash into a known hash", which is equivalent to "break this key", which makes the premise unworkable.
16:12 mircea_popescu williamdunne depends a lot on the exchange.
16:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00043312 = 6.9537 BTC [+]
16:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00043368 = 4.5103 BTC [+] {2}
16:27 mod6 so trinque & I have discovered that the patch provided by the email mentioned ( https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html ) doesn't patch cleanly at all. Even with some McGuyvering of the patch to ensure the paths are correct etc, there are still a number of files not found. It might be plausible to write our own custom patch for 4.8.4 to resolve the issue.
16:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dY0NN1 )
16:28 mod6 I think I might try to manually implement the changes required if the files in question do exist.
16:29 mod6 If this doesn't go well, perhaps we'll try a period gcc if we can get it to work with uclibc/hardened AND another caviat here is going to be weather this defect shows up in there as well (since way down level).
16:30 ben_vulpes lurvely.
16:30 mod6 yeah, she's ugly.
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16:45 ben_vulpes does http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/irc.cpp#270 call http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/protocol.cpp#0083 with an empty third argument?
16:45 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/irc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dY3fTG )
16:45 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/protocol.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dY3hed )
16:45 cazalla ;;later tell peter_dushenski i think your blog might've eaten my comment
16:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:46 ben_vulpes asciilifeform, mod6, decimation, trinque and any other c-grammers
16:59 mod6 lol, this is uglier than I had thought. I patched the gcc-4.8.4 source with all of the patches from /their/ bundle v1.5 (http://dpaste.com/1NRJTT7.txt), and now i'm in there apply patches by hand, and only 2 out of ~10 files to patch actually exist here (the rest are for pr# files (Problem Report?)). And when I can apply a patch, the surrounding code is slightly different.
16:59 mod6 there's about a 0.001% chance this will work.
17:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00041703 = 3.4113 BTC [-] {2}
17:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19870 @ 0.0004149 = 8.2441 BTC [-] {3}
17:04 mircea_popescu nuts.
17:05 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-2nd-event-crafting-as-a-business-and-other-considerations/ << someone put it on reddit twitter or wherever.
17:05 assbot Eulora 2nd event, Crafting As A Business and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcLHky )
17:05 mod6 ok, well done patching the stuff that can be patched...
17:07 ben_vulpes i don't even have any items in eulora yet
17:07 ben_vulpes much less time for games...
17:08 mod6 << someone put it on reddit twitter or wherever. << done
17:10 mircea_popescu danke
17:12 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well, we'll keep it warm for you for when you grow younger ?
17:17 ben_vulpes although i did get a claim yesterday...
17:18 mircea_popescu hey wd.
17:18 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like
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17:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcMTnO )
17:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00041263 = 11.3886 BTC [-] {4}
17:20 trinque that's a hilarious warning
17:21 jurov ouch
17:21 mircea_popescu o brother
17:21 mircea_popescu ITS IN BOOST
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17:24 ben_vulpes i know
17:25 ben_vulpes da woist
17:35 mod6 ben_vulpes: you did get Eulora built tho 'eh?!
17:35 mircea_popescu was it ubuntu in the end ?
17:39 ben_vulpes also code review please: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html#ak47.sh
17:39 assbot a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcOQRm )
17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00041078 = 14.4595 BTC [-] {2}
17:42 thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/QoTEOO2.gif << such derp
17:42 mircea_popescu the happy "done!" printout
17:42 mircea_popescu awww. the words of a man in old dull pain./
17:43 mircea_popescu thestringpuller i wonder briefly why these tards don't do something useful with their time, instead of making pointless "infographs" that make no sense, represent no data and interest no one.
17:43 mircea_popescu but then again...
17:45 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: 'twas
17:55 jurov that's incredible picture... why it does not go on at least to 2100, i wonder
18:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00042242 = 9.7368 BTC [+] {2}
18:05 mod6 ok, i've got a patch i created myself (post application of patches: gentoo/uclibc/PIE) for gcc... just trying to get it to work with emerge.
18:05 mod6 patch applies manually just fine, seems to choak when used by emerge becuase of directory levels or something. hopefully can overcome this...
18:07 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-06-2015#1170473 << http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_excising-dns-lookups-from-bitcoind-asciilifeforms-patches.html i did my homework boss
18:07 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 01:43:37; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: you now have homework. it being, to read & actually grok the sequence of 4 'dns thermonuke' patches.
18:07 assbot excising DNS lookups from bitcoind: asciilifeform's patches ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcR82X )
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18:28 williamdunne I think I found Kim's child
18:28 williamdunne http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3an9iz/iama_23_year_old_from_the_uk_who_can_end_the/
18:28 assbot IamA 23 year old from the UK who can end the austerity and inequality that we are facing, but I am ignored by the media and even my own political party AMA! : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcT6Ae )
18:30 cazalla wru scoopy
18:30 cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/06/fatf-concerns-regarding-use-of-bitcoin-by-terrorists/
18:30 assbot FATF: Concerns Regarding Use Of Bitcoin By Terrorists | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcTi2z )
18:32 williamdunne wru?
18:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170978 << yes, it is. i suspected.
18:32 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 21:21:49; mircea_popescu: ITS IN BOOST
18:33 asciilifeform but there could be no talk of removing it without first removing from bitcoind
18:33 asciilifeform it may be possible to amputate it with linker shenanigans
18:34 asciilifeform but it ~will~ have to come out
18:34 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170915 << precisely ~not~ what i was asking for. this is how idiot sc4mz0r did it - as a one-time thing
18:34 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 17:56:12; punkman: asciilifeform: I think the state of the art is: you send X BTC to 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE then new genesis block assigns X newcoin to originating address, or something along these lines
18:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042282 = 6.4269 BTC [+]
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19:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53106 @ 0.00041654 = 22.1208 BTC [-]
19:27 funkenstein_ i'm doubt it's what you are referring to, but the "atomic transaction.. btc from x to y and Ztc from y to x all in one all-or-nothing TX, has supposedly been implemented by mercury exchange
19:28 funkenstein_ which unfortunately uses java 8, and when I was trying to test I didn't even get as far as building OpenJDK 8
19:37 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/xotika-tv-bitcoin-live-adult-entertainment-reaches-beta/
19:38 assbot XOtika.tv Bitcoin Live Adult Entertainment Reaches Beta | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1H7uUyT )
19:38 BingoBoingo ^ Naphex
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19:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00042231 = 12.3315 BTC [+]
20:10 mircea_popescu !up SuchWow
20:10 SuchWow why hello there
20:10 SuchWow i've been gone for 2-3 months, tl;dr me the best parts
20:10 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/ << check her out
20:10 assbot The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBpHvE )
20:11 SuchWow and what happened to fluffypony
20:11 SuchWow oh, is still here
20:11 SuchWow mainly i'm just curious
20:11 SuchWow as to the current sentiment
20:11 SuchWow overall
20:11 mircea_popescu who were you again ?
20:11 mircea_popescu !gettrust SuchWow
20:11 assbot SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
20:11 SuchWow I was a founding op of #dogecoin lol
20:12 SuchWow and i've never been interested
20:12 SuchWow in bot trust games lol
20:12 mircea_popescu mkay.
20:12 SuchWow u can search ur logs for more, i've had a few mildly amusing exchanges here (not really tho
20:13 cazalla SuchWow, is this the day where you check if #b-a is still around long after dogecoin was put to sleep?
20:15 SuchWow cazalla: clearly you haven't been watching dogecoin charts, and even more clearly, you have no idea who i am.
20:15 SuchWow or what i do, etc.
20:15 SuchWow but have fun with your attempted cajoles lol
20:16 cazalla SuchWow, you mean i don't know chinese exchanges pump it up with fake volume to fool westerners?
20:16 SuchWow now i get why you only voice ppl under certain conditions
20:16 SuchWow cazalla: if you say so, i really and honestly wouldn't know anything about that
20:16 cazalla what conditions are they?
20:16 SuchWow i dunno, you're here in this chan, i haven't been here for months
20:16 SuchWow you tell me
20:17 SuchWow you're the one making subtly degrading comments towards me based on total ignorance
20:17 SuchWow so perhaps the rules have changed
20:17 * SuchWow yawns
20:17 cazalla people often up others that /join the channel.. sorta like answering a knock at the door? just being polite ya know, there is no judgement one way or the other until you open your mouth
20:18 ben_vulpes altcoins are retarded, you're going to get prodded when you show up here pumping them.
20:18 ben_vulpes big whoop.
20:18 SuchWow cazalla: i've been upped over a dozen times here, thanks
20:19 SuchWow it was not my idea to bring up altcoins in the discussion
20:19 SuchWow someone asked who i was, i reminded them, and then you started in with ur bullshit
20:19 SuchWow doesn't bother me at all tho tbh
20:19 ben_vulpes heh. but you're here! who could resist taking a shot!
20:19 SuchWow :D
20:19 ben_vulpes > ur bullshit
20:19 ben_vulpes > doesn't bother me
20:19 ben_vulpes mhhhhhhhm
20:19 SuchWow well i'll be more clear
20:19 SuchWow implying that i have knowledge of what he was saying
20:19 SuchWow is the bullshit part
20:19 SuchWow what he actually said cold be true,, i woudln't know lol
20:19 ben_vulpes we all do is the funny part
20:20 SuchWow i just saw one of your 'members' spamming in another chan
20:20 ben_vulpes we're all complicit in the altcoin pump and dump nao!
20:20 SuchWow and said 'hey, why not see what they'er up to'
20:20 ben_vulpes winding up altcoiners, today
20:20 cazalla SuchWow, you're the one that said check out the charts.. i did and btc38 is supposedly 85% of the dogecoin trade
20:20 SuchWow since btc has returned to volatility again
20:20 SuchWow and i l ike to trade 796 at 50:1 instead of playing poker these days
20:20 mircea_popescu lol what, the proposition is that dogecoin still exists ?!
20:21 SuchWow cazalla: pretty sure cryptsy is still #1, but haven't checked honestly
20:21 SuchWow cazalla: my comment was more about you saying doge had been 'put to sleep'
20:21 SuchWow when in reality it has returned close to 400% recently
20:21 cazalla pretty sure but haven't checked.. ok sorta makes sense why you'd be involved in dogecoin to begin with
20:21 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> "i thought i killed it a year ago!"
20:21 SuchWow cazalla: there you go again. Why do you think i am involved with dogecoin?
20:22 SuchWow you keep using that as an insult
20:22 SuchWow but i'm not involved with dogecoin
20:22 SuchWow and haven't been for a long time
20:22 cazalla SuchWow, you brought it up by bragging about being a founder of #dogecoin (wow, such bragworthy, not)
20:22 ben_vulpes you're not anyone, how could you be involved with anything...
20:22 SuchWow so keep on with that delusiohn. it would seem YOU know more than ME about it lol
20:22 SuchWow cazalla: i was asked 'who are you again'
20:22 SuchWow i answered
20:22 SuchWow that's it
20:22 SuchWow the rest wqas you
20:22 ben_vulpes SuchWow: yeah who are you actually
20:22 SuchWow dealwithit.jpg
20:22 williamdunne SuchWow: You mentioned the dogecoin thing, I also assumed you're still involved
20:22 cazalla umad.gif
20:23 SuchWow well
20:23 SuchWow 6 months ago when i was last here
20:23 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8p818rhXu1qm11cfo1_500.gif << actual gif.
20:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBqsVv )
20:23 SuchWow that was what/who everyone knew me as
20:23 SuchWow that is generally my reputation
20:23 cazalla SuchWow, being involved in dogecoin at some point is not something you go around bragging
20:23 SuchWow clearly it rings a bell to none of you
20:23 SuchWow and you just keep asking me over and over lol
20:23 ben_vulpes i tried to short it once
20:23 ben_vulpes but i'm retarded so
20:23 SuchWow i'm not bragging? i was answering a question asked of me
20:23 SuchWow y'all dense as fuck
20:24 SuchWow THAT is what (if anything) you would remember me from
20:24 SuchWow and if you didn't want to know
20:24 SuchWow you shouldn't have asked
20:24 SuchWow hostile crowd here
20:24 mircea_popescu well yeah.
20:24 cazalla there is no hostility, you're just a little touchy
20:24 SuchWow I'm the touchy one? LOL!!
20:24 ben_vulpes lighten up
20:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00042231 = 3.7797 BTC [+]
20:24 mircea_popescu ^
20:24 SuchWow ok club
20:25 SuchWow i've answered all of your questions
20:25 ben_vulpes not really - who are you?
20:25 SuchWow despite being accused of shit for doing so
20:25 SuchWow nobody has answered my questions tho
20:25 SuchWow lol
20:25 mircea_popescu !rate SuchWow 1 answered all questions, still no idea who he is.
20:25 assbot SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
20:25 mircea_popescu oh.
20:25 ben_vulpes aw what a shame.
20:25 mircea_popescu !s suchwow
20:25 assbot 263 results for 'suchwow' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suchwow
20:25 ben_vulpes try again in six months?
20:25 SuchWow wut?
20:25 SuchWow you don't read do you lol
20:26 SuchWow [20:11:46] <+SuchWow> and i've never been interested
20:26 SuchWow [20:11:49] <+SuchWow> in bot trust games lol
20:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806031
20:26 assbot Logged on 23-08-2014 07:41:30; SuchWow: i've NEVER ONCE talked here lol\
20:26 mircea_popescu ok.
20:26 SuchWow not here, not -otc
20:26 SuchWow yet i trade successfully for 2 years
20:26 SuchWow without these things lol
20:26 ben_vulpes so?
20:26 mircea_popescu so ? people cook successfully without running water and things
20:26 mircea_popescu in nigeria.
20:26 cazalla i can hold my breath under water for 30 seconds..
20:26 SuchWow anyhow i will restate why i joined this chan again
20:26 ben_vulpes why?
20:26 SuchWow one of your 'members' spammed an ad in another chan to join here
20:27 mircea_popescu who where ?
20:27 SuchWow i remembered being active here long ago
20:27 SuchWow and decided to rejoin
20:27 SuchWow upon joining, i asked what the current sentiment of btc was here
20:27 SuchWow and then all this doge shit started up
20:27 ben_vulpes oh that
20:27 ben_vulpes "grumpy" i'd say
20:27 ben_vulpes boost is all fucked up
20:27 mircea_popescu SuchWow http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/#selection-101.0-103.32 read that.
20:27 assbot #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdZQx4 )
20:27 cazalla SuchWow, so you gonna paint the #b-a fence, wax the #b-a floor or wut?
20:27 SuchWow from #bitcoin-pricetalk today: [17:47:39] <SevenX> join #bitcoin-assets
20:27 ben_vulpes bitbet just lost a few months of profit
20:28 ben_vulpes uh
20:28 mircea_popescu !s sevenx
20:28 assbot 0 results for 'sevenx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sevenx
20:28 mircea_popescu o.O
20:28 ben_vulpes oh but we have a new rss bot that's new
20:28 SuchWow ben_vulpes: i feel ya, grumpy seems about right
20:28 mircea_popescu the things that happen in the internets truck make me feel old and out of touch
20:28 SuchWow and yes, i get this chan is professional, and above my head, that's why i left lol
20:28 mircea_popescu so go play eulora
20:28 ben_vulpes and i guess is deedbot new since you last were here?
20:28 SuchWow again, it was just the spam that made me come back and say hi :)
20:28 mircea_popescu no wait nm, need a rating for that.
20:29 ben_vulpes aha zing
20:29 SuchWow i really never was a super active participant
20:29 SuchWow just a newb tryna learn :)
20:29 ben_vulpes no man i have this remembory
20:29 ben_vulpes of like
20:29 ben_vulpes doge
20:29 mircea_popescu lmao.
20:29 SuchWow bitcoin is enough tho, adding securities on top of that, out of my league haha :)
20:29 SuchWow doge recent performance has been pretty amazing tho
20:29 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
20:30 SuchWow and i say that from an outside perspective
20:30 mod6 check out the /topic & read at least 6 months of logs.
20:30 SuchWow got a real jobj 9 months ago
20:30 mircea_popescu nbews in past 6 months : s.mpoe almost went to shit but recovered, i lost the berkshire bet, s.mg launched eulora, s.nsa's phuctor delivered 60 or so broken rsa moduli
20:30 SuchWow work WAY too much to trade anymore
20:30 mircea_popescu there's actually a LOT
20:30 SuchWow nice lol
20:30 ben_vulpes oh yeah mp lost the berkshire bet
20:30 mircea_popescu deedbot came online,
20:30 SuchWow anyhow i'll poof after the up goes down
20:30 SuchWow is good to know y'all are still here and srs about shit
20:30 mircea_popescu we got that lawsky schmuck fired,
20:30 ben_vulpes don't go!
20:30 SuchWow that in and of itself kinda answers my original question
20:31 mircea_popescu gavin got shot in the head, cusipzzz got exposed
20:31 ben_vulpes we're still regaling you with our victories
20:31 mircea_popescu jesus god it's pages of shit.
20:31 SuchWow right but
20:31 SuchWow when will the bitcoin regs
20:31 SuchWow be published in the weekly journal or whatev
20:31 ben_vulpes !s cusipzzz
20:31 assbot 14 results for 'cusipzzz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cusipzzz
20:31 SuchWow that's what i can't figure out
20:31 SuchWow lol cuspizzz
20:31 SuchWow i do like that guy
20:31 mircea_popescu qntra is older than 6 months no ?
20:31 SuchWow mr 'weekend tank'
20:31 ben_vulpes SuchWow: you volunteering to summarize the court's proceedings?
20:31 SuchWow srsly tho, only thing i can find
20:31 ben_vulpes aha
20:31 mircea_popescu barelky older.
20:31 ben_vulpes deedbot lol
20:31 SuchWow is that nydfs is final once published
20:32 SuchWow in that weekly register
20:32 SuchWow when will that happen?
20:32 mircea_popescu SuchWow nobody asked them anything.
20:32 ben_vulpes who cares
20:32 SuchWow everyone in btcland should?
20:32 SuchWow because if rumors about china banning are relevant
20:32 SuchWow than ACTUAL FACTS about regulation should be pertinent?
20:32 ben_vulpes by the time the usg realizes that there's a btc-shaped train headed its way it will be too late for it to do anything.
20:32 mircea_popescu i dun think you understand how teh btcworld works.
20:32 ben_vulpes naw it'll be great SuchWow
20:32 ben_vulpes we'll get to see btc users go to town on china
20:32 SuchWow i think nobody knows the answer to my question lol
20:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15576 @ 0.00041577 = 6.476 BTC [-] {2}
20:33 * ben_vulpes chants "hash by hand. hash by hand."
20:33 SuchWow and if nobody here knows that answer, than that tells me what i need to know lol
20:33 ben_vulpes bitcoin-assets aka bitcoin doomsday cult
20:33 SuchWow (i just trade btc/usd on 796 at 50:1 for gambling purposes)
20:33 SuchWow way more fun than poker
20:33 ben_vulpes repeat!
20:33 mircea_popescu "main calls AppInit, which itself calls AppInit2 catching all exceptions in two seperate logic branches, shuting itself down if the second layer of AppInit doesn't fire correctly:"
20:33 SuchWow i'm currently bullish, after a LONG time of being bearish
20:33 mircea_popescu for crying out loud.
20:34 SuchWow hence why i was curious as to the general sentiment here
20:34 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what!?
20:34 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i just keep forgetting the horrest parts of bitcoin
20:34 ben_vulpes it almost looks normal now
20:34 ben_vulpes weep for me
20:34 mircea_popescu then go through these phases of he's kidding no wait, wait, i recall this. but it couldn't be. o yes it is.
20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43996 @ 0.00041263 = 18.1541 BTC [-] {3}
20:35 mircea_popescu mysterious BDB shenanigans on application shutdown << it doesn't have atomic index operations. which means, that it can has updated index but unupdated data.
20:35 SuchWow i ofc assume that sentimentality on btc prices affects the securities tradded with it lol
20:35 mircea_popescu at least that's what i understand of it.
20:38 ben_vulpes ah CAddrDB("cr+").LoadAddresses(); i missed you
20:38 SuchWow Anyhow, it's been a pleasure speaking with you all, and should I ever quit my job and start daytrading BTC/USD fulltime again, I will return. I will give back the last 2 minutes I have of being 'upped' to the floor. :)
20:38 mircea_popescu cheers.
20:38 ben_vulpes you were keeping track?
20:38 * SuchWow pours shots for everyone before he goes
20:38 ben_vulpes this was a deliberately orchestrated event!
20:38 mircea_popescu "Even though the application's default behavior is to create the ~/.bitcoind directory itself unprompted (and yet not the bitcoin.conf file that the damn thing expects in there), if you pass it a data directory that doesn't exist, it refuses to create it."
20:38 mircea_popescu ahahaha
20:38 ben_vulpes i feel hoodwinked.
20:38 mircea_popescu o god.
20:39 ben_vulpes i'm getting lazy with pronouns.
20:39 ben_vulpes but it's hard to write well wearing asbestos gloves.
20:40 mircea_popescu Bitcoind as written would be the best possible example of condescending software design if it were worthy of being called "designed" instead of "crufted together by a monotonically increasingly febrile group of contributors". << i can sign that.
20:40 SuchWow BOTTOMS UP! CHEERS! KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT MEN! AND WOMEN! AND OTHERS! SEE YOU IN 2016 WHEN THIS SHIT GETS SUPER REAL :D
20:40 ben_vulpes oh fuck off
20:40 ben_vulpes !down SuchWow
20:40 mircea_popescu ./proggy -? << iirc this is the old ms-dos standard.
20:40 mircea_popescu because it had to be different from the -h convention
20:40 ben_vulpes the cover
20:40 ben_vulpes it is so complete
20:41 mircea_popescu hm ?
20:41 ben_vulpes visual basic
20:41 ben_vulpes old ms-dos cli flags
20:41 ben_vulpes targeting windows
20:41 mircea_popescu lol
20:41 ben_vulpes it's almost convincing
20:41 mircea_popescu yeah
20:42 mircea_popescu certainly nobody still young enough to pick up chicks would know wtf -?
20:42 mircea_popescu (and no, i'm not an exception - i have to have the chicks pick up chicks for me!)
20:43 ben_vulpes poor old man
20:43 ben_vulpes poor, poor you
20:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes btw, as a matter of course articles like that should contain a "this is how you get your system to reproduce my screenshots" thing, with emacs settings etc.
20:44 mircea_popescu help people learn the shit you use makes more people use the shit you use makes you less likely to have to learn shit other people use.
20:45 ben_vulpes e for student
20:45 ben_vulpes exercise*
20:45 mircea_popescu it doth not have the great degree of generality that a good exercise makes.
20:45 ben_vulpes M-x gdb
20:45 ben_vulpes okay okay
20:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes and yet, author knows enough to use strprintf rather than any other of the countless vulnerable c string things
20:48 mircea_popescu in which aspect c is very much like php
20:48 mircea_popescu ( http://locklessinc.com/articles/dynamic_cstrings/ for the curious )
20:48 assbot Dynamic Strings in C ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBrSiV )
20:54 ben_vulpes does argue for a rather sophisticated greybeard
20:54 ben_vulpes the most elaborate programming exercise - write something world-changing in a style nobody would ever attribute to you
20:55 mircea_popescu myeah. it just doesn't wash, half the "expert" population of c-ers doesn't actually comprehend c string safety
20:55 mircea_popescu (admitting such exists)
20:59 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes incidentally is http://cascadianhacker.com/headers/headlights.jpg a muntz rocket ?
20:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsyF5 )
21:01 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html << nice job.
21:01 assbot just another day in sunny cascadia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsFQN )
21:01 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:01 ben_vulpes muntz the car brand or muntz the guy who made TVs?
21:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00040941 = 12.3232 BTC [-] {5}
21:02 ben_vulpes either way, no
21:02 ben_vulpes unless you're making a sophisticated joke about horsepower and snipping arbitrary cables...
21:04 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes he also made a car.
21:04 mircea_popescu like 1000 or so ever made. valuable antique now
21:04 mircea_popescu http://onlytruecars.com/data_images/models/muntz-jet/muntz-jet-01.jpg
21:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsMMr )
21:05 mircea_popescu but yeah, doesn't actually look like it
21:07 mircea_popescu !up ahmed_
21:07 ben_vulpes yeah, i was looking at that.
21:08 ahmed_ ty
21:08 ben_vulpes pretty
21:09 mircea_popescu ahmed_ sure. who're you ?
21:09 mircea_popescu not the dead terrorist i hope ?
21:09 ben_vulpes heh - onlytruecars.com does redirect shenanigans
21:09 ahmed_ hahahahahah
21:09 ahmed_ nopeee
21:09 ben_vulpes hm
21:09 ahmed_ just a fellow bitcoin user
21:09 ben_vulpes who /is/ running a public node?
21:09 ahmed_ i am
21:09 mircea_popescu "i'm the live terrorist, mutha! PEW PEW PEW!!!"
21:10 ben_vulpes wcgw
21:10 mircea_popescu ;;ud what vulps said
21:10 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palintology&page=2 | It is believed they held a peculiarly close relationship with the species vulpes ... A mindset which doesn't allow someone to stop saying the same things over and ...
21:10 mircea_popescu palintology. clearly.
21:10 ben_vulpes "what could go wrong"
21:11 ben_vulpes anyways these newly muntzed nodes dun wanna connect to anything off of irc
21:11 mircea_popescu what's in the log ?
21:11 mircea_popescu (it is possibru nothing much still runs on irc)
21:12 ben_vulpes not much useful. standard boot up and then silence.
21:13 ben_vulpes hm.
21:13 mircea_popescu does it attempt to connect to anything ?
21:13 mircea_popescu nmap it
21:14 mircea_popescu wireshark it
21:14 mircea_popescu SPY ON IT!!1
21:16 cazalla chark is hongry
21:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19945 @ 0.00040649 = 8.1074 BTC [-] {2}
21:24 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxUxe9hFU_M
21:24 assbot [VICE] presents-- *Nug Up or Shut Up* --...(real Joe Rogan selfsuck Humiliation Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5AGjk )
21:29 ben_vulpes i'm trying to reason about it first.
21:29 ben_vulpes reasoning about software?
21:29 ben_vulpes BIG MISTAKE
21:30 ben_vulpes on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things
21:30 mircea_popescu beat it first.
21:30 mod6 ben_vulpes: what version & patches & os?
21:30 mircea_popescu reason comes after tears.
21:31 ben_vulpes now i have to load the IRC protocol up into my head to figure out precisely how it's derivsupposed to turn IRC connections into peers
21:31 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wczaIQqx1ryqodxo1_1280.jpg << here's the famous hyperborean stone whale. speshul for cazalla
21:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5AS2j )
21:31 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes just looks at hostnames from /who list and spams them
21:31 ben_vulpes mod6: everything up through thermonyuuke
21:31 mod6 ah
21:31 mircea_popescu also scarfs up join messages.
21:31 mod6 ben_vulpes: & ubuntu?
21:32 cazalla mircea_popescu, i like em thick but maybe not that big (i'd still hit it)
21:32 mircea_popescu me2
21:33 cazalla if i can see ribs when she reaches for the sky, she needs a good meal before we bang
21:34 cazalla mind you, this is all theory, i've been banging the same tired old hole for years
21:35 mircea_popescu ribs are notbad either.
21:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10055 @ 0.0004042 = 4.0642 BTC [-]
21:36 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gcpfNwkx1rb2yujo1_1280.png example.
21:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ita4Vk )
21:36 mod6 re: slutennis "Wouldn't you watch a sport like that ?" << f yes.
21:37 mircea_popescu haha!
21:37 mircea_popescu ikr ?
21:37 mod6 for sure.
21:37 mircea_popescu pay per view!
21:38 mod6 *nod*
21:38 mircea_popescu people^H preachin' retards keep getting in the way of women doing the soirt of shit that'd make them awesome.
21:38 mircea_popescu i guarantee you nobody's saying anything to the slutennis champ but "ma'am"
21:38 cazalla mircea_popescu, i mean something like this where you see the rib cage under the titties http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/29/2451CDB900000578-2890613-image-m-146_1419893680953.jpg
21:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Btkj )
21:39 mod6 foxtail would command respect for sure.
21:39 mircea_popescu cazalla the problem with her is that no tits. if she had d+ knockers the ribcage'd be a +
21:39 mircea_popescu mod6 and the thing is, that arrangement'd pretty much kill anyone but a young woman.
21:39 mircea_popescu sweat to death in that casing. plus fucking heels.
21:40 mod6 yeah, that shoes might be the problem. but... war is hell.
21:40 mod6 :D
21:41 mod6 girls would have to do cart-wheels to get to a ball on the otherside of the court as opposed to running.
21:42 mircea_popescu holy shit prolly.
21:42 mircea_popescu they'd need special "always ready" cartwheel gloves
21:42 mircea_popescu to protect fingers while doing it with a raquet
21:42 mod6 ah, yeah. hmm. didn't consider that.
21:42 mircea_popescu nuts tho. i hadn't realised cartwheels'd necessarily be a big part.
21:43 mircea_popescu in other news, i still dunno what event to do next for eulora.
21:43 mod6 the skirts could have a quick "clasp" or some sort of attachment mechinism to keep hands free while cart-wheeling.
21:44 cazalla mircea_popescu, but how many skinny girls have D+ cups? (natural not implants with a gap larger than my front fucking teeth)
21:44 mod6 oh I vote for the trip to magial places on the island.
21:45 mircea_popescu cazalla few. but man...
21:46 cazalla creating a bitbet.. micon cops a plea deal.. does anyone think prior to 2016 is a fair time scale?
21:46 mircea_popescu he definitely will tho. who's gonna bet against you
21:48 cazalla who knows.. and he might plea but not agree to do so this year
21:49 ben_vulpes mod6: ya, tis ubuntu
21:50 mircea_popescu mebbe i guess
21:59 ben_vulpes http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
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21:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5CFUO )
21:59 mircea_popescu just about.
22:00 ben_vulpes are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
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22:01 mircea_popescu replace the file where bitcoin saves its nodes with your own preference.
22:01 ben_vulpes https://github.com/ayeowch/bitnodes << perhaps...
22:01 assbot ayeowch/bitnodes · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5CKYN )
22:02 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: sorry, unclear. scripts for crawling/pinging nodes.
22:03 mircea_popescu what's wrong with alf's ?
22:04 ben_vulpes that one on the list?
22:04 mircea_popescu well yeah
22:04 ben_vulpes i dunno man i just like reading a bunch of different approaches
22:04 mircea_popescu esp if you wish to compare stuff to its results or w/e
22:05 mircea_popescu chrome is seriously taking over the internets.
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22:05 mircea_popescu we're getting another microsoft over here.
22:05 trinque big time
22:05 mircea_popescu yeah.
22:06 trinque can be amusing to think of chrome as a google rootkit
22:06 trinque rather than competing with microsoft or apple in the OS space, they just snuck their way in with their own OS
22:06 mircea_popescu i see it ~40%. with the next two TOGETHER at 40%.
22:06 mircea_popescu yep
22:06 mircea_popescu definitely got it. and im sure some idiot "woman in tech" a la carly fiorina is going to bring a shittier apple itunes store on it
22:07 trinque read some article where they said this is *precisely* what WebAssembly is
22:07 trinque an answer to the app store thing from google
22:07 trinque even though yeah, they've got the android one
22:08 mircea_popescu android thing was just a decoy.
22:08 mats plus side, crimeware never escapes the sandbox.
22:09 mircea_popescu minus side, nothing other than crimeware's worth doing anymore.
22:09 ben_vulpes ALL SOFTWARE IS CRIMEWARE
22:09 mats rude
22:09 ben_vulpes COWER CITIZENS
22:11 trinque to think, people will be able to play oculus angry birds right from facebook
22:12 trinque and they say progress is dead
22:12 mats anybody have any idea wtf this reactive programming stuff is
22:13 trinque https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/457390734_640.jpg
22:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Dihm )
22:13 mats and plz no buzz words
22:13 mircea_popescu mats mostly "oo v2.0"
22:14 mats oo as in... object oriented?
22:15 mircea_popescu yeah. the previous buzzword wankatron
22:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10145 @ 0.00040319 = 4.0904 BTC [-]
22:23 BingoBoingo Have yet another new-old machine
22:24 BingoBoingo 2009 vintage acer laptop, single core amd 64 proccessor 3GB ram.... Disadvantages: Huge
22:26 mircea_popescu "advantages : vibrates pleasantly"
22:26 BingoBoingo advantage: was free
22:27 mircea_popescu can't argue with that.
22:27 BingoBoingo ascquaintance was moving and did not want to move this HUGE thing
22:28 asciilifeform ;;late tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log
22:28 gribble Error: "late" is not a valid command.
22:28 asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log
22:28 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:28 mircea_popescu a too big to move laptop.
22:29 BingoBoingo Well, he's moving into his girlfriend's place and long ago she bought him a bunch of Apple shit to replace it so indeed too big to move laptop
22:31 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: pardon?
22:31 cazalla come with a hdd? burn it with fire BingoBoingo lol
22:31 ben_vulpes oh, you want to see debug.log
22:31 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i see in the logs where you had a node fail to snarf seed from the old irc
22:31 BingoBoingo cazalla: Looks like the original 160 GB hard drive. I'll probably end up applicancing it into a node
22:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171410 << 'chrome' (or, more practically, the open-source trimmable version 'chromium') is the only remaining graphical browser for unixlikes that isn't screamingly retarded
22:32 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 02:05:08; mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.
22:33 trinque asciilifeform: still comes with tasty binary treats, apparently
22:33 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3GFCEPM
22:33 assbot dpaste: 3GFCEPM ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYn5sO )
22:33 trinque or at least they're leaking through
22:33 asciilifeform trinque: that's what the shears are for
22:33 asciilifeform trinque: also help to run on weird archs
22:34 ben_vulpes the irc "logic" is mind-numbingly dumb
22:34 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: be so kind as to try an experiment. ping the box whose hostname i snipped out. notice - not same ip. replace ip in irc.cpp with this. then run.
22:34 ben_vulpes i actually did not notice this.
22:35 asciilifeform i noticed.
22:35 ben_vulpes ahaha i am so dumb.
22:35 ben_vulpes no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.
22:35 ben_vulpes involved*.
22:37 asciilifeform l0l smarts
22:37 asciilifeform farts.
22:38 * asciilifeform reads the latest two articles from ben_vulpes
22:39 ben_vulpes you'll not find much in there.
22:40 BingoBoingo At least will find nice headlights in the header
22:41 asciilifeform mega-vroom
22:41 asciilifeform incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating
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22:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170972 << btw, anybody got a handy link to what precisely generates the message seen here ?
22:45 assbot Logged on 21-06-2015 21:18:37; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like
22:45 asciilifeform as in, is this a hardcoded idiocy in gcc proper ? its linker ? where ?
22:45 asciilifeform a #pragma in glibc ?
22:46 asciilifeform btw, i found our shitgnome: http://www.akkadia.org/drepper/no_static_linking.html
22:46 assbot Static Linking Considered Harmful ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYonUC )
22:46 asciilifeform !s drepper
22:46 assbot 4 results for 'drepper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drepper
22:46 trinque !up fartacus
22:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu awake ?
22:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00041125 = 14.5583 BTC [+]
22:47 fartacus ben_vulpes: this beirc seems like another one of those "hey cool, made something that works in clim. I think I'll go get a job now" projects
22:47 ben_vulpes lol hi fartacus
22:47 trinque I'm fartacus!
22:48 fartacus thing wasn't even showing chan text without switching out of and back into the buffer
22:48 fartacus but I bet it's sexy under the hood
22:49 ben_vulpes ahaha
22:49 ben_vulpes or if anyone gave a shit and implemented it on allegro it might work
22:50 ben_vulpes but who's going to implement a clim irc client on allegro
22:50 ben_vulpes p sure we all have vastly better things to be doing
22:50 asciilifeform closed-source toolchains can go die in a fire
22:50 * asciilifeform and has used allegro, and knows that it is, overall, superior in every way (but this) to the available alternatives
22:51 thestringpuller too many softwares named allegra
22:51 thestringpuller allegro*
22:51 asciilifeform https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/134400 << as i understand, drepper 'did it'
22:51 assbot Bug #134400 “glibc do not really static compile my project.” : Bugs : glibc package : Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hmSN )
22:52 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: better in every way but source-open-ness?
22:52 asciilifeform aha
22:52 thestringpuller http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ << asciilifeform is the 2nd result from google, assuming you guise are talking about lisp
22:52 thestringpuller but i am assuming*
22:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00040389 = 17.9327 BTC [-] {4}
22:52 asciilifeform thestringpuller: ~nothing whatsoever~ to do with allegro common lisp (franz inc.)
22:52 asciilifeform which was the subject here
22:52 asciilifeform (very confusingly, there was also a 'franz lisp')
22:53 asciilifeform http://franz.com/products/allegrocl << vendor page
22:53 assbot Allegro Common Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hDoQ )
22:54 asciilifeform http://franz.com/success << claimed endorsements. notably absent from list is usg, who i have strong reasons to believe is the main buyer.
22:54 assbot Franz Inc: Allegro Common Lisp and Common Lisp Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hO3B )
22:54 ben_vulpes same is true for the major haskell shops.
22:54 * asciilifeform personally requisitioned an allegro license & support contract while under usg banners
22:55 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: and how was it?
22:55 asciilifeform spiffy.
22:56 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: USG is on that list plenty of times.
22:56 asciilifeform hm, it is, isn't it.
22:57 BingoBoingo Indeed, under many pretexts including a lab with explicit Air Force connection
22:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes.
23:00 asciilifeform http://ninjalj.blogspot.com/2011/11/your-own-linker-warnings-using-gnu.html << how gcc does linker warnings.
23:00 asciilifeform (some fella went and dug)
23:00 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The Todd replace by fee patch is probably derp to hell, but it leads to some of the best Hearnia trolling outside this channel https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/612780261109960704
23:01 BingoBoingo "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
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23:01 asciilifeform what even was this?
23:01 * asciilifeform does not, sadly, have time to personally follow all of the crackpotteries
23:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Hearn and Co are pushing some derp where "Those Bitcoins are yours even before the transaction is mined" idiocies
23:02 asciilifeform how does it (claim to) work ?
23:03 ben_vulpes broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
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23:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform:
23:03 BingoBoingo faith
23:03 ben_vulpes nevermind that nothing keeps people from selecting transactions for block inclusion arbitrarily
23:03 BingoBoingo The Tood thing works through pure profit incentive
23:03 ben_vulpes myeah, and miners should really be doing it already
23:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo: what is so peculiar about including whatever transaction fee? this was always possible ..?
23:04 ben_vulpes it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import
23:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's basically just Peter Todd made the first public code available to do this
23:04 asciilifeform to do what?
23:05 ben_vulpes convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends
23:05 BingoBoingo Select for fees
23:05 BingoBoingo on the same inputs
23:05 asciilifeform i don't get it. anyone was already able to specify arbitrarily high fee
23:05 * asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee
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23:05 BingoBoingo Indeed, but whatever fee maximizing patches miners and pools were running for were like most serious pool code... seekrit
23:05 asciilifeform if they don't, they are fools, and it isn't any fault of mine
23:06 asciilifeform let me guess:
23:06 ben_vulpes prefer transactions with high fees over transactions with low fees
23:06 asciilifeform shitgang is trying to push a 'for miners' version of turdcoin ?
23:06 ben_vulpes it's about inclusion logic after transactions got broadcast
23:06 BingoBoingo Apparently enough pools though were on derp and herp choosing "see first mine first"
23:06 asciilifeform aimed to replace 'seekrit miner versions'
23:06 BingoBoingo Pretty much
23:06 asciilifeform unsurprising
23:07 ben_vulpes me too
23:07 ben_vulpes look how dumb we are
23:07 asciilifeform i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
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23:08 ben_vulpes clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
23:10 asciilifeform btw, one of the (not so) secrets is that mining does not select for 'the brightest bulbs at home depot [u.s. household goods shop]' - nor for political acumen, nor for really much else other than the peculiar countereconomic wormholes which make it sound like a reasonable proposition
23:10 ben_vulpes moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
23:11 ben_vulpes mining is the worst business.
23:11 ben_vulpes (or so it seems from the outside).
23:11 ben_vulpes maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?
23:11 * ben_vulpes for bread and cheese
23:12 trinque probably depends on whether you have a relationship with someone making the hardware
23:12 * trinque eyeballs the big chinese mining farms
23:12 asciilifeform mainly on whether you actually pay for the mains current
23:15 trinque yeah obv free power wins
23:17 trinque someone should alias meadenodes.com to xtnodes.com
23:22 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171397 << mno. if it's in the channel, it is a live pre-gavin node (OR crafted impostor...)
23:22 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 01:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
23:22 asciilifeform but in no case a corpse
23:23 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171400 << -addnode=ip
23:23 assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 02:00:31; ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
23:24 asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/init.cpp#0166
23:24 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/init.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnKLZD )
23:24 asciilifeform or do i misunderstand what was being asked for.
23:25 BingoBoingo I am starting to think "Olde Laptop Colo" might make a nice franchised business
23:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: pre-emplaced in sand pits and fused mains wiring, for the inevitable halt&catchfire ?
23:26 asciilifeform perhaps bury them in the earth (with chimneys for hot air.) sorta like the tombs in recoleta cemetary in buenos aires
23:26 asciilifeform (a surprising number had corpse-gas exhaust pipes!)
23:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes was there, saw this
23:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee which covers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
23:27 asciilifeform incidentally earth is great for passive cooling
23:27 asciilifeform (if burial is deep enough)
23:28 asciilifeform you will need to seal to keep out moisture, but if repair is not a concern (machine is disposable, replacement gets new burial plot) this is relatively simple matter
23:29 asciilifeform though i still like my proposal for sinking miners to the bottom of the north atlantic, more.
23:29 asciilifeform (go and steal, aha)
23:29 BingoBoingo I'm thinking more steel sheds, rural locations that happen to be near interections of big city fiber. Prospective franchisees would be the local small town "computer repair" folk
23:30 asciilifeform nah, you want to take serious advantage of the expendability
23:31 asciilifeform but in such a way that the box lives out its remaining life, rather than being lifted by the first idiot copper scavenger who comes along.
23:31 asciilifeform (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
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23:31 BingoBoingo Sure, but I'm thinking you do so by getting machines from the customers.
23:33 BingoBoingo customer brings boxen, pay setup then power+pipe. Value proposition to franchisees is small town computer outfit gets an avenue to engage in rent collection.
23:34 asciilifeform if box is easily accessible, 'skin not worth the tanning'
23:34 asciilifeform whole point would be the physical security of a few metres of cement
23:35 asciilifeform (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
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23:35 asciilifeform see the literature.
23:36 asciilifeform (machine includes vibration, ph, sensors, clinometer, magnetometer, etc. if readings deviate from 'pylon is happily alone in the earth' memory gets zeroed and walked over, continuously)
23:37 BingoBoingo Point for the customers is access to pipe and power off of their own premises. Physical security offered against naive scavengers, but premise could scale to hundreds of locations. Cheap and easily replicable
23:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: schmucks in, iirc, germany, doing this already. see logs
23:38 asciilifeform snorefest because this has literally no serious advantage over normal hosting
23:38 asciilifeform (if i wanted a box in some schmuck's house, i'd put it right here in mine)
23:39 asciilifeform but five metres of cement - or 500m of salt water - that would be something.
23:40 BingoBoingo Typical imagined customer is small business that wants to support other local business. Connosieur customer wants access to pipe without fucking up their netflix at home.
23:41 asciilifeform so he would share with ~some other schmuck's~ netflix ?
23:41 asciilifeform this has all the appeal of renting out the toilet in your house as a public latrine
23:42 BingoBoingo lol, yes
23:42 asciilifeform or your kitchen, as a place for bums to cook roadkill in
23:43 mats brb submitting my ycombinator application for this idea
23:43 BingoBoingo mats: Go for it
23:43 asciilifeform 'sharing economy!!11!!1' (tm) (r)
23:44 BingoBoingo Seriously, this has all the promise of a great chumpatron except every now and then a customer does something worthwhile
23:45 asciilifeform btw, my local telco quasimonopoly - 'verizon' - had a hilarious tamer version of this for some years, where you pay a few hundy for a box that opens a vpn to their end and gives you cell signal in your house, via your own net pipe. and they had the audacity to still charge for the 'minutes' and per MB of data.
23:45 asciilifeform as result, the only folks who bought were 1) chumps 2) people who wanted to make own 'stingray'
23:46 mats that's kind of brilliant
23:46 asciilifeform vendor very much did not like (2) and they closed the hole which made reflashing the rom trivial. now you have to actually open the plastic box, oh noez.
23:46 mats for operator, anyway
23:47 asciilifeform who wants - go, buy.
23:47 asciilifeform thing is still sold.
23:47 BingoBoingo femtocel
23:47 asciilifeform http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-network-extender-scs-2u01
23:47 assbot Samsung Network Extender (SCS-2U01)- Verizon Wireless ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnOmqs )
23:47 asciilifeform i'm told there are equivalents for other american carriers
23:48 BingoBoingo I think Comcast and a few cableco's do this for wifi
23:51 BingoBoingo Major revenue source for mothership is selling the franchisees laptop cages, cooling, and FeNi batteries
23:52 BingoBoingo Revenue source for franchisee is setting up machines, collecting rent, and selling good feels to the locals
23:52 asciilifeform if the past 40 years of computer retardation hadn't happened, and we used a stack with support for seamless process migration, 'voting circuit' computation, etc. it would be practical to use '1024 chickens' arrays of arbitrarily garbage hardware
23:53 asciilifeform as it is, there is a lower bound for what is worth bothering with at all.
23:53 asciilifeform what, other than bitcoind, would you even consider putting on such a thing
23:54 BingoBoingo Actually this idea was born from I have phree machine, want to appliance it up with Bitcoind, but making it a super public seeder on the home connection would be the suck.
23:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8974 @ 0.00039974 = 3.5873 BTC [-] {2}
23:54 asciilifeform rent a cage at data center
23:54 asciilifeform this costs money, so find 40 friends to split it with
23:54 BingoBoingo Other maybe applications of such service though might be IRC bouncers and personal mail machines
23:55 asciilifeform (typically they go by full rack)
23:55 BingoBoingo Which is the beauty of this idea. Find folk who would sell fractional rackspace
23:55 BingoBoingo AirBNB the datacenter
23:56 asciilifeform fractional rack space with terrible hardware already exists
23:56 asciilifeform i have a few boxes like this myself
23:57 asciilifeform thing is, what you're actually paying for is proximity to respectable pipe
23:57 asciilifeform this is not to be found in a residential unit, and certainly not in usa
23:58 BingoBoingo And now we have the real crux of the problem. How to get chumps to subsidize serious pipe
23:58 asciilifeform brings back to a fundamental point from one of mircea_popescu's articles - shuffling things around is not going to increase 'number of turkeys available'
23:58 asciilifeform usa is a shit-internet country. this won't change because there is no good reason for it to change
23:58 BingoBoingo More turkeys is a very hard problem. More chickens is much easier.
23:59 asciilifeform laying cable to nowhere-duelingbajos-fucktown is not an economically +ev proposition.
23:59 asciilifeform places which only even have telephones because usg imposed it
23:59 asciilifeform desovietization will leave those folks where they belong - with highest tech level available being the hog harness
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