#trilema | 2016-07-11

They frequently used allusions to other works only other nobles would know

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;;bc,convert usd

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1 BTC = 654.97 USD = 654.97 usd

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Neat

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;;bcstats

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I think we should all take a moment to appreciate the classic: http://jerkcity.com

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this is not good

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there is nothing redeeming about it

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It has its moments

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Also mentionable as the comic that linked to ebbits

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08:07

BingoBoingo woman is crumbling ; coincidentally (of course) it all started just about when mp heard about the bullshit dem party scamcoin ideas.

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;;later tell Joshua-I which this ?

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The operation succeeded.

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$up drowngodx

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drowngodx voiced for 30 minutes.

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No. She was never together.

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BingoBoingo also tru.

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but hey, alf had notions :D

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Incidently if the anybody but Trump thing had worked, the FBI press conference thing would have likely been the end of her run.

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myeah

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Or so people say.

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nevermind that it apparently couldn't have worked this year

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that poor woman. have you seen her as a young derp ? quite fuckable.

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but instead of joining a master's dungeon and being a happy slave,

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she had to go into "politics" and well... she sure as fuck got a heaping helping of democratic rape.

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first, gotta lie about bill. now, gotta lie about a candidacy SHE DIDNT EVEN WANT.

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hilary should really be a very informative example for all teenaged girls today : NOTHING slavery inflicts upon you is quite as bad as what "being a successful" mainstream derp does to you.

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better rope burn than radiation burn. remember that.

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[Qntra] Further Violence In United States Over The Weekend - http://qntra.net/2016/07/further-violence-in-united-states-over-the-weekend/

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Wayward Pines

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One linlk in there just didn't want to archive.

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"Meanwhile Tyler Gebhard (WOT:nonperson) invaded the home of a police officer in Lakeshire, an upscale suburb in south west St Louis County, Missouri." <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-22#1106480

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Logged on 2015-04-22 03:04 ben_vulpes: "we know where you live" (tm)

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[Trilema] "There is no such thing as rape", one of countless practical exercises. - http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-such-thing-as-rape-one-of-countless-practical-exercises/

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"If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.

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Which schmuck?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._M._Coetzee

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FUcking hypocrit. Where's his back alley box?

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"inarguably the most celebrated and decorated living English-language author", supposedly. a ridiculous notion.

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BingoBoingo australia.

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anyway, there's many dozens of ~equivalent pulp, british classically educated scribes of "nice" and correct dribblets of fiction.

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the swedes just picked this one because cock hungry.

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Oh here's Zr. Coetzee https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnEFZurW8AAEVhA.jpg

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ahahaah theo tait thinks jessica haines is "much too pretty" for lucy. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/showering-with-panties-on.jpg << this woman. she's too pretty.

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she's dog ugly, wtf is wrong with people.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500964 << that's just beautiful. modern art

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Logged on 2016-07-11 12:48 BingoBoingo: Oh here's Zr. Coetzee https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnEFZurW8AAEVhA.jpg

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lol.

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he got a penis somewhere under there or is just "talkin' in general" ?

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No way to tell

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"oh. my. god. you haven't heard? we're aaall hating white people right now. it's so hot. it's fresh. it's happening."

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wait, i thought a fuck was a good thing

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fun fact : ru sosloviye (the official social segregation in power throughout most of the period ru was worth the mention, intellectually) distinguished white and black sub classes of the cleric class.

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i think catholics have that one too

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black being the more hardcore one, i think in russia it was celibacy, and in catholicism being a member of a monk order

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yeah monks/clerics sorta thing

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Anyways thinking back to the church thing, hard for tmsr to have a church without it being a proper church meaning a basement for AA, NA, etc meetings

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sure. i don't see why it wouldn't. once it gets a basement at least.

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I thought there were theological problems with the thing before re: Darwin Fish

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well, there's theological problems with everything. i'm for instance not terribly keen on the whole "higher power" stuff.

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"of your understanding" offers a lot of freedom. Bitcoin likely qualifies as does WoT

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i guess so.

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but this is my point : there's theological problems with everything. "and often in life, just as there are problems, there are just as often solutions"

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ah

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(yes i just quoted the seinfeld rabi. go me.)

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brb

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/350.org << i suspect the number of things which exist strictly in wikipedia and the feverish brains of libertard delusionists by now exceeds the number of things that actually exist.

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seriously, you put up a website on $1/month hosting, got some kids to pose for a picture sometime in 2010 and had the cointelegraph of whichever market run an article or two ?

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iiincredibru. i have old shoes with more of an ontic claim.

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it's not JUST that websites masquerading as "business" and purporting to sell for "billions" notwithstanding they wouldn't gather bids worth 80 btc in an open market a la linkedin, watsap and so on.

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for each one of these, there's like a billion posturing shits ~nobody knows about carefully recorded by unemployed ditch diggers etc.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500978 << heh not if i'm involved. like I mentioned months ago: AA is a false religion. I will have no part of it.

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Logged on 2016-07-11 13:16 BingoBoingo: Anyways thinking back to the church thing, hard for tmsr to have a church without it being a proper church meaning a basement for AA, NA, etc meetings

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danielpbarron so people trying to kick the habit can't come to your thing ?

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you kick the habit when you believe The Bible. Christ is the only cure. You do not need some other asshole's book

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the logs aren't in teh bible are they.

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the logs don't save either

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and if they did ?

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then the logs would be the Bible then i guess

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hm.

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just like i wouldn't put on a church service preaching the saving grace of the logs, I won't put on a service about how AA saves

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but these are different concerns. i dunno how it runs, but i don't think there's customarily some guy in the church extolling aa is there ?

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tho to be honest, my idea of a proper tmsr church would have a strip club / dungeon in the basement rather than a bunch of dudes talking.

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then again that's just me.

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it's not unlike inviting a muslim to the church to teach islam..

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danielpbarron we do invite/allow various derps to preach their derp here all the time...

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well this isn't a church

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i thought it was a cult.

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it may be -- I don't necessarily have a problem with cults so long as they aren't worshipping a false god

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i wonder if you can have a church that worships no god at all.

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hmm.

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that is a contradiction, at least according to the US legal definition -- a church is literally a "place of worship"

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can you worship nothing?

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and we are all gods, so no matter who you worship..

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isn't that kinda what taoist do?

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the just "exist"

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hm.

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which is their worship

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danielpbarron used to be a taoist

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taoism is a kind of self worship if anything

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danielpbarron well yes, but the q is whether "to worship" is necessarily transitive. is it like "i fuck", with an agent needed and implied if not given explicitly, or is it like "it rains", whereby there's no need for someone to be raining specifically, "it" does.

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yes I think in order to worship you need to have someone to worship

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and also, can we have the holy texts written in either classical latin or greek ? that way nobody'll understand them.

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Darwin would still :p

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(he reads greek, aramaic, and hebrew)

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well, ~nobody

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danielpbarron speaking of the jews, is that a false god also ?

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modern judaism is a false religion -- Jesus Christ is the God of the old testament

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well "modern judaism", who cares.

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Christians are the true Jews

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the question is, the god of the torah.

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you mean the old testament? same God as new testament

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danielpbarron: i though taoism was more about worshipping all that exist. like "the universe is great, and good."

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"worship of the universe"

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thestringpuller, I thought of it like "I am the universe looking at itself from within itself"

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i dunno i'm not a theology expert but i'll look more into it!

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cause that stuff interests me a ton

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thestringpuller i see his point, fwiw. it's very infantile "i am great!", so infantile it hasn't even reached the point of individuadion where 2yo goes "and you're not me"

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meanwhile... http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2380_en.htm

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'The Commission has today adopted a proposal to further reinforce EU rules on anti-money laundering to counter terrorist financing and increase transparency about who really owns companies and trusts.... Tackling terrorist financing risks linked to virtual currencies: to prevent misuse of virtual currencies for money laundering and terrorist financing purposes, the Commission proposes to bring virtual currency exchange platforms and

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custodian wallet providers under the scope of the Anti-Money Laundering Directive. These entities will have to apply customer due diligence controls when exchanging virtual for real currencies, ending the anonymity associated with such exchanges'

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they mean us rules ?

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reich rules.

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who the fuck trades bitcoin on the fiat websites anyway.

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atomized folk with nobody to otc with ?

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i guess so.

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i'm almost certain they lose that data often

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When I used to use coinbase it'd ask me like every month to re-verify or some-shit.

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But honestly, capital controls are poor money laundering deterrents. I think all it does is creates higher demand for money laundering as a service.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 << tr0l0l0l

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Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500953 << a policeman lives in 'upscale' something or other?! and lemme guess, this was reported as 'police brutality' ?

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Logged on 2016-07-11 12:25 mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile Tyler Gebhard (WOT:nonperson) invaded the home of a police officer in Lakeshire, an upscale suburb in south west St Louis County, Missouri." <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-22#1106480

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thestringpuller no, it's the misguided belief that hassling people constantly "weeds out" fake accounts. ie, you might get your hands on ONE power bill or w/e, but not a stream of them.

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also forces you to keep addresses and whatnot current so they can work their inept "big data" bullshit and randomly flag accounts because "risk factors"

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in a system designed by windows heads and examined by no one ever.

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pioneered by mtgox.

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of that typical "social media scientific study" flavour, "one guy shot his wife ; previously he had owned a chevy truck and he moved only to addresses with an odd street number; consequently all people who opwn a chevy truck and a history of odd street number inhabitation are suspect"

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"do you live next to any suspect people ? take the survey!"

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"other activities you could involve yourself into, periphrastic to the actual nonsense in question, so as to give it the appearance of substance! buy scientific study mugs! do you fucking love science ? watch the podcast blablabla blaBLA BLA BLA"

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ceasslessly neverendingly like the female chorus of yore.

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"this is our life" myeah, i can see that.

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https://magoo.github.io/Blockchain-Graveyard/ << mircea_popescu someone followed up on the drama timeline from 2012

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name's vaguely familiar.

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he didn't put the total loss though just the vulnerability type form the incident

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mircea_popescu is kinda too disinterested to check out github anything.

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it's a static www hosted, for no reason i can discern, on shithub.

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people too lazy to set up on blogs.

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https://magoo.github.io/Blockchain-Graveyard/advice/ << LOL it's a whole website thing

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with borderling plagarized hanbot content

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asciilifeform i'm being webracist. i wouldn't go to listen to a band with a myspace page either.

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you wouldn't watch a tv show on youtube?

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what's your idea of watch ? i don't think i sat through a whole tv show at any point in my lyf.

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asciilifeform and the lulziest part of it all being that the "disgraceful" history consists of ... what exactly ? teaching the various fucktards how to not injure themselves eating ?

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desmond tutu was a fucking anglican bishop. what disgraceful ?

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nuts.

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there is an entire parallel universe these folks inhabit, where european played roughly the same role as the neck crab parasite in heinlein's story

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and many other marvels, quite opaque to the uninitiated.

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mircea_popescu: how many episodes of seinfeld you got under your belt?

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ah, that counts huh.

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i saw em all.

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asciilifeform ridoinculous outright. but whatever, nobody cares what the maid thinks her history and contribution to the household is.

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No soup for you!

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501053 << they'd better, considering that if someone broke through YOUR door and you came out shooting they'd want to try you for murder.

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Logged on 2016-07-11 14:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500953 << a policeman lives in 'upscale' something or other?! and lemme guess, this was reported as 'police brutality' ?

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for that matter, as being a "police officer" is the one ustard nobility class they recognize, i wonder how many derps are "police officers" in name only. seems like a pretty decent deal, sign up with the pd dept, show up an hour a month or so, in exchange get weapon and shoot whoever.

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worth maybe a cool mil or two wouldn't you say ?

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i guess the drawback is you gotta paint your car like a circus act

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then again, get sirens. maybe a wash.

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http://archive.is/kqfuG <<< forge orders, collect pay in prison

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mircea_popescu: i dunno that we have this kind of 'policeman' quite yet.

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sounds more like an orc thing.

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what we ~do~ have is 'private security' schmucks who take the train (!) home from work with ~empty~ holster every night.

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i saw 1,001 of these.

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eh that's for the birds.

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minimum wage.

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yeah they figure amply in the "ex bf employment" on slave personal history sheets.

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"i guess he wanted to be cool and tried as best he could" sorta fellows.

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phun phakt, when i worked at a u.s. army base, it was guarded ENTIRELY by these.

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(why not grunts? nobody knew)

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too expensive

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grunts, expensive?!

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grunts are too expensive for a lot of things

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they are ~already~ employed, no? why not put them at the door?

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like, you know, in every other country ?

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well yes, if you run the math they cost more than civilian slave

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because billets exist

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certainly they cost more than a civilian who gets $7/hr and no pensions etc.

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but army has, at any given time, certain contingent of grunts

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what do they do with their time, instead of guarding posts ?

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incidentally, the reason this "private security" minimum wage derp only exists in ustarded lands is quite simply that in sane societies it's essentially an invitation to violence.

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kids that'd be perfectly behaved otherwise will sucker punch the runt in uniform. for THAT reason

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and in my view are quite right in so doing.

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practicing small unit tactics i presume, asciilifeform

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asciilifeform see, the trick is that if you don't give the "legionnaire" enough amusement he won't wanna join.

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which is why conscription.

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exactly like late "republic" army, they petitioned successfully to have the imposition of carring the heavy helmet removed

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the lorica went long ago.

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asciilifeform conscription ?! who the fuck do you know that got conscripted.

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"you will sit here a year and do what we tell you or else you get shot, bitch" ?

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sop in ru, kr, fi, etc

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prolly most of planet.

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heh

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'you will guard this door' 'what's in there' 'you're not to know, or you'd steal it yerself'

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mircea_popescu: we had one of the blue-uniform minimum wage folk blow his own brainz out during work hours, right at the gate

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unsurprisingly.

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it's really the right thing to do, for them.

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prolly it was the one interesting thing he could think of to do in his situation.

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hence all the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 talk.

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Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.

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not 1 of these was white.

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obviously, thy misunderstand wtf is going on. white has nothing to do with it, history idem

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but the loser opting out is by far the best solution, for him and for the world.

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'winners' feel like guarding doors themselves ?

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or whatever other scutwork

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winners that need doors guarded haven't won yet.

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i won once, and can tell you, never bothered to.

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also, http://trilema.com/2011/spargatorii-si-curva/

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and judging by the mussolini-cuccia exchange, it's not a unique experience either.

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wasn't speaking of mircea_popescu's personal door, but of the doors to the 1,000,001 resources in the tall pyramid of things he eats.

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obviously pyramid can't be that tall.

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from nuts and bolts, to wines, to nukes

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whether this is a drawback or not remains undecided.

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recall the incidents with the stolen servers ?

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epic case of "haven't won yet"

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in ideal picture, 'nobody would dare', as curtis lemay answered when told to put out his cigar lest he set off the fuel depot

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you'll know it's not the case anymore once no one wants to as much as touch them.

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you know, like no one wants to arrest 17yo female black shoplifter.

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eh i've been to the courthouse

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there was a queue of 1,001 of them.

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it isn't a case of 'nobody'd dare' but of 'can't swat every fly'

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i was discussing the future propaganda not as much the actual reality underneath.

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ah hm.

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you know, when 17 yo black female is to be gangraped because "her kind" had, decades prior "won"

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[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The League of Nations, The United Nations, and the myth of collective security. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/11/the-league-of-nations-the-united-nations-and-the-myth-of-collective-security/

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^ 'Ban Ki-moon publicly acknowledged Thursday that he removed the Saudi-led coalition currently bombing Yemen from a blacklist of child killers — 72 hours after it was published — due to a financial threat to defund United Nations programs.' << lel

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lol

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"only a rapist if he's poor"

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dan mocsny had, iirc, almost literally this phrase.

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it's not exactly novel

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sorta how the japanese shinto mathepriests had the calculus.

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re: the church thread:

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my boss and cellmate, at godforsaken rupturefarms, was a licensed priest with something called 'universal life church'

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to qualify, he... paid fiddybux.

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it is solidly registered as church in usa! with 0 theology, etc.

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BUT

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aha

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this is sorta like asking 'how hard is it to build a bridge'

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quite.

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if it is a decorative arch, that NOBODY will ever walk on - not hard.

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if foot bridge - takes a little effort

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if you want to move column of tanks! harder.

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same with churches.

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'universal life church' is the decorative bridge.

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nevertheless, all bridges worth the mention started as foot bridges

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'priests' can officiate at weddings, funerals.

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afaik that's it.

11:44

like, the bronze gate, the rickety reeds construction spanning the actual golden gate :D

11:50

speaking of lemay, prosecuting hussein bahamas for warcrimes when ?

11:50

the drawback of all the "youngest blabla" is that you'll prolly live to hang. unlike 70yo hilary & friends

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$google hilary

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_(name) << Hilary (name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.hilaryseatwell.com/ << Hilary's | Allergen Free Foods | Eating Well Made Easy | http://hilaryhahn.com/ << Hilary Hahn

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in other lulz, all i see is hilary duff, with a smattering of hilary hahn, whatever that is. my google ain't heard of clinton.

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(seriously, woman was born in 47. she will be 70 by the time trump's inauguration rolls around. what soviets these libertards, they replicate the same system irrespective of what they say, with the same results.)

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501180 << right after kissinger.

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Logged on 2016-07-11 15:50 mircea_popescu: speaking of lemay, prosecuting hussein bahamas for warcrimes when ?

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i'm definitely going to push for it.

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and zbigniew brzezinski.

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kissinger, i see no problem with.

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how different from obummer ?

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http://fpif.org/bernies-broadsides-kissinger-werent-even-half << lulzi piece re clitler & kissinger

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and afaik, liberasty aside, k really did create a good chunk of the 20th c. usg-branded corpse pile. what sense it even makes to discuss 'war criminals' without his picture on it ?

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(not wholly communist corpses, either - kissinger arguably created pol pot et al)

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quite the example from mircea_popescu's article where 'butcher who MOSTLY kills cows'

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i still find it curious, that somebody bothered to kidnap and hang eichmann, but not kissinger.

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meanwhile, 'More than 600,000 of the 1.8 million votes in last week’s New York Democratic primary were cast and counted on voting machines belonging to an “election services” company with a long criminal history and a rap sheet an arm long. Today it’s called Dominion Voting Systems. In last week’s primary in New York, Dominion controlled one-third of all votes cast in the state ... The company controls roughly the same perc

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entage nationwide; one of every three votes cast in America.'

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http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/04/28/election-company-in-ny-primary-has-arm-long-rap-sheet

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so ^ new 'diebold', just like there is no longer a 'blackwater' but some ??? (i have nfi what the latest name is.)

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sc4mz0rz have changed names like shirts, since folks invented names.

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asciilifeform: re. k, true that. and what with my home country being a usg bitch, i recall my high school's history teacher (who also was its director) being basically in love with kissinger, quoting him left and right and openly admiring him - incl. his person, i think. wonder if he still does the same. ah, good times..

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mastermind of shining victories!1111, e.g., usa in vietnam. that modern derps, incl. obummer, still struggle to equal.

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'But what Louis Wolfson will always be remembered for is bribing the only Supreme Court Justice ever forced to resign in disgrace, “Dishonest Abe” Fortas. Fortas began taking bribes from Wolfson, in 1969, at a time when Wolfson had already been convicted of securities manipulation.' << lulzy

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'only new thing is the history you didn't know'

12:22

meanwhile,

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in other non-nyooz, http://plasma.pics/flawed-second-ligo-gravitational-wave-discovery

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'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it. It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.'

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see also, relatedly, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1484877

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Logged on 2016-06-19 03:45 asciilifeform: which is to say, the tokamak folks are about as interested in desktop, $1000 fusion (of ~whatever temperatures~) as the maths dept at your uni is interested in elementary proof of fermat, or the software 'industry' - in 'fits in head', etc.

12:23

'big machine physics' is 100% usgola.

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FUNDAMENTALLY.

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ALL of the incentives are perverse.

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from beginning to end.

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took $maxint? built giant machine? now you'd better justify.

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and torture the data until it 'talks.'

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or lose yer professorship/moneys/life.

12:26

http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#921352 << see also x2.

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Logged on 2014-11-14 05:47 asciilifeform: where, for no reason that has ever been publicly explained, laser-initiated fusion is diddled

12:28

the 'cernification' of physics is encouraged at every level.

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fundamental reason being, a gigantic machine employs and merit-washes 1,000,001 mediocrities

↖ ↖ ↖

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which is why you can get usg or eurounion to cough up $B for a crackpot machine, but not $1M for you to sit in a chalet in the alps and schrodingerate

12:30

gigantic particle accelerators, etc. are only distantly about experimentation and actual data, and primarily about scrubbing out the primacy of the exceptional individual, from physics, one of the last strongholds to fall.

12:31

$s adelberger

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20 results for "adelberger", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=adelberger

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^ typical case.

12:31

>> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-27#772706

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Logged on 2014-07-27 19:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.

12:32

in the forest, there once died a caterpillar;

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the ants took a vote. it was decided that it shall be eaten by ants.

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then came bird and ate it anyway.

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but in physics forest, there is no bird.

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at least none such that is not subject to ant vote.

12:36

the fuckers learned from the millikan case.

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'don't measure electron charge, somebody might refute. measure instead only things that can be measured solely with $B machine.'

12:38

ww2, and the mega-state : killed physics.

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not 'shortage of low-hanging fruit' or 'increasing complexity' or any other idiot derp fiction.

12:38

asciilifeform kissinger is in my (very extended) wot. bahamas is a libertard.

12:39

this is the mother of all difference.

12:39

i suppose clitler is then in mircea_popescu's ever-slightly-extended wot ?

12:39

understand : the crime is never to have done so-and-so concrete item ; but to have done it WHILE DRESSED IN THE WRONG SHIRT.

12:40

does it matter what shirt a habitual setter of forest fires wears ?

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and no, teh hitlers i mean clintons also democrats.

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them fires still burnin'.

12:40

this is politics not engineering.

12:40

shirt matters a whole lot and not much matters besides.

12:41

mega-hero, creator of vietnam war (for whom was it mega-victory?), of khmer rouge, and 101 other marvels

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what's next, you're going to petition quake maker to give you trowel and paint brush, you want to be in quake teams only to paint the walls ?

12:41

waiwut

12:42

in quake, the shirt is all that matters. much like on japanese field of battle, the flag on the little bamboo stick jutting out from your belt.

12:42

y'know, in every army in the world, fella who is a liability to whatever he touches, quietly catches bullet from own side

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except, apparently, in usg

12:43

for instance, my objection to the khmer rouge was their being commies, not their butchering a billion idiots per se.

12:43

the khmer blacks/green/whatever i dun have a problem with.

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butchered ~everybody worth having around, iirc

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yawell.

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and left the dross.

12:43

better that than putting them in "colleges"

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obviously, wrong shirt, wrong choices.

12:45

the popular portrayal of war crime is perverse: it is not cruel to ~the dead~, killing folx ain't such a cruel thing to do ~to them~, vs some of the alternatives. it is atrocity against the ~surviving~

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501193 <<< body count is not the criteria per se. not everything that walks belongs alive. zombies are to be killed.

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Logged on 2016-07-11 16:05 asciilifeform: and afaik, liberasty aside, k really did create a good chunk of the 20th c. usg-branded corpse pile. what sense it even makes to discuss 'war criminals' without his picture on it ?

12:47

mr k left us with considerably ~more~, not fewer, zombies walkin' around.

12:47

asciilifeform the popular portrayal of war crime isn't actually all that deep. it's simply "THE BIG THING", which is what the herd needs/wants.

12:47

before that it was "treason"

12:48

asciilifeform he, like we, lived in a zombie wave time. you also "left more broken code than you found". so now you're a code criminal ?

12:48

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501087 << they have that. that's how you get a concealed carry permit (or just generally more gun rights) in strict jurisdictions. you donate money to some sherif in flyover states, go on the books as deputy, can now legally cary a gun in the city of new york, etc.

12:48

Logged on 2016-07-11 15:09 mircea_popescu: for that matter, as being a "police officer" is the one ustard nobility class they recognize, i wonder how many derps are "police officers" in name only. seems like a pretty decent deal, sign up with the pd dept, show up an hour a month or so, in exchange get weapon and shoot whoever.

12:48

phf not a bad plan.

12:48

how much ?

12:48

mircea_popescu: this is like asking 'how much for a senator'

12:48

for ted turner, $50k

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for mircea_popescu - $maxint

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i don't need to ask that, i know >D

12:49

whence am i a senator ?!

12:49

how much a senator costs

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if i walk in with 50k, i get -50k and jail

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if turner - he gets volume discount.

12:49

hahahaha nah.

12:49

i'm not sure that was the case even in the 50s.

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mircea_popescu: i suspect you can get it for 30k or so, enough for "new conference room" or whatever

12:50

also, us reps/senators are shockingly cheap. most third world shitholes more expensive.

12:50

plenty of folk in usa got 50k in sofa cushions. but senators not bid up much.

12:50

plenty of folk in the us are derps.

12:50

this is the crux of the issue.

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what can i say, go buy all of'em

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decorate living room, or wahtever.

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eh, you never buy all the whores. drives price up for no benefit.

12:51

make'em dig latrines.

12:51

let em gouge each others eyes out, is right and proper.

12:53

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501203 << actually, he got a nobel prize for ENDING that ; also came up with the "gender war" quote.

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Logged on 2016-07-11 16:15 asciilifeform: mastermind of shining victories!1111, e.g., usa in vietnam. that modern derps, incl. obummer, still struggle to equal.

12:53

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501267 << nominally who-is-a-deputy is public record, neh? could make a list of these, like mats made of faux judges ?

12:53

Logged on 2016-07-11 16:48 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501087 << they have that. that's how you get a concealed carry permit (or just generally more gun rights) in strict jurisdictions. you donate money to some sherif in flyover states, go on the books as deputy, can now legally cary a gun in the city of new york, etc.

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asciilifeform doubtlessly.

12:53

mircea_popescu: 'peace nobel' was crock of shit from day 0.

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and the man had ~= to do with 'ending the war' as keitel with ending ww2.

12:54

hitchens was also a derp, from day 0. what now.

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surely.

12:54

i dun see any serious factual counter-argument to 'kissinger was two-legged disaster'

12:55

so you're basically bringing an argument of incompetence ?

12:55

aha!

12:55

incompetence on the scale of hitler's.

12:55

but this is an irrelevant consideration. bahamas is dumb as rocks, but will not hang for being dumb.

12:56

ftr i don't see the war crimes case against hitler either. i can see it against tony blair, or the current derp, or the german lapdog what's her name.

12:56

dumb but harmless is one thing. dumb but climbs into cockpit of bulldozer and smashes whole city - other.

12:56

not so.

12:56

and all of the folks who enable the man - ditto.

12:56

war crimes are the legal, legitimate behaviours of people we don't like.

12:56

WHAT they did, HOW they did it, what it came to etc don't enter into it.

12:57

don't like him, hang him. war criminal.

12:57

lemay, since mentioned, fully understood this. iirc he made a comment that if the us lost the war, he'd have fully expected being hanged for war crimes.

12:57

fella has much to do with the gnarly pest control situation we're in presently.

12:58

how so ?

12:58

asciilifeform: i don't see a problem with people doing it that way. that solution came up when i was trying to figure out how to get a concealed cary in DC. but i suspect your problem is going to be not just finding everyone on the books in various smalltowns, TX, but also discovering their real current home address

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mircea_popescu: made anticommunism ~synonymous with wholesale usg-sponsored butchery.

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for a whole generation.

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phf: pretty sure concealed-carry-in-dc requires election to congress.

12:59

this is kinda too subtle a point.

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phf: but if you discover otherwise, wake me up plox!11

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ditto in maryland

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asciilifeform wasn't he the guy that came up with the detente with the soviets ?

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asciilifeform: nah, there are options. i know security guys that have concealed caries in DC, you have to demonstrate that you've been repeatedly assaulted (or i assume if you're going through agency) that you're in immediate danger of assault, etc. a random mall derp's not going to get it, but a freelance security can

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well, *knew. i'm not sure how things might've changed in 10 years

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cash van folk get permit, ~valid strictly during working hours~

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this is not interesting to most people.

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i think you two gotta differentiate "gun as nobility mark" from "gun as tool of labour"

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hence the 'empty holster' people on trains i mentioned earlier

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keep mixing these to endless discursive results.

13:02

mircea_popescu gets it!

13:03

asciilifeform his point, that you may well obtain a courtesy earldom from minor german prince and have france court respect this stands.

13:03

the 'tool of labour' thing ! hitler: 'people who wish to work with small arms are invited to join the ss'

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ok, ok, sherifs are allowed to conceal cary in DC, hence the approach above

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it has happened historically. just because you're not the sort to do it doesn't mean it';s not done.

13:03

kissinger more or less did detente, also worked on opening the relationship with the chicoms

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could've saved the planet

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trinque i have nfi where his hatred comes from, but anyway.

13:04

i do suspect its that idiot hitchens entirely.

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mircea_popescu: not only is it done for 'courtesy earls', but pretty much anybody who is not jailable can carry whatever he wants, 'maxim' machine gun if he likes, wherever in usa.

13:04

nobody is ever searching peter thiel's pockets for illicit pistol

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much less taking him to a court.

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oh, recall the case of the saudi that "fell" on a naked 17yo girl whose friend was spending the night ?

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aha.

13:05

same idea.

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but talking about "got x to y", hitchens is fine example : got "atheist" to mean "idiot liberal". ffs.

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md law, for those interested: 'Federal and Maryland State or local law enforcement officers generally are exempt from the permit requirement. However, sheriffs and their deputies are exempted only while on active assignment engaged in law enforcement and only with respect to handguns which they are duly authorized to wear, carry or transport as part of their official equipment. Law enforcement officers from other states are exempt on

13:05

ly while on official business.'

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and they keep doing this, too, if anyone's curtis yarvin's model, hitchens

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find legitimate single issue, attach THE WHOLE RAFT of libertardism to it.

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mircea_popescu: this,yes

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then "people" who are stupid enough to stay atomized "can pick".

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"would you like to import full_libertardism() through the venue of atheism, or what exact tiny topic ?"

13:06

reminiscent of how usg.software works. "so, you want openssh and utf-fonts via which package again ?"

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asciilifeform: there's a wide range of socially clued people from mircea_popescu to asciilifeform. you don't have to go all maxint to assume that something will fly

13:08

but splitting!

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i have no doubt that the nomenklatura who can get away with peccadillo like carrying pistol, is quite large.

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(getting away with USING it against a holy slum bunny is another matter)

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501212 << neah.

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Logged on 2016-07-11 16:23 asciilifeform: FUNDAMENTALLY.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501221 << the fundamental reason being, that the forest has been hunted bare, then cut down. this idealistic "i shall make physics discovery without refined tools" yields exactly sovietisms a la "aggregated water" and "Lysenko's hardy winter crops"

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Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: fundamental reason being, a gigantic machine employs and merit-washes 1,000,001 mediocrities

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this is the lie the mediocrities want to sell.

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it is just that - lie.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501222 << if you can't get your own mn, YOU MAY NOT "SCHROEDINGERATE"

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Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: which is why you can get usg or eurounion to cough up $B for a crackpot machine, but not $1M for you to sit in a chalet in the alps and schrodingerate

13:12

schrodinger's age was ended by the war, not by 'out of low-hanging fruit.'

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mircea_popescu: point being that it didn't cost a million in his day.

13:13

mno. the wet dream of every kid with a superman delusion that was recast into "science genius" rather than shed is that hey, he shall FIGHT CRIME ^H^H^H i mean DISCOVER SCIENCE.

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there is delusion and there is also the real thing.

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with his underwear worn over spandex unisuit! UP UP AND AWAE!

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kid points finger, 'bang-bang!' but actual pistols also exist.

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just not in his toybox.

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not in the hands of kid.

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aha.

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"i need someone ELSE to GIVE me a million" is the very definition of a kid.

13:14

this, yes. but keep in mind where it comes from.

13:14

what, kissinger ?

13:14

nobody builds particle accelerator with own lunch money.

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uh.

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the whole field now consists of 'gimme' artists.

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any wonder that the aspirants are same ?

13:15

is your entire objection to be reduced to "for shame the eu billions went to a comission, they should have just given the moneyt directly as personal gifts to science heros"?

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every lab i worked in, the chief spent ~90% of his time, doing guess what ?

13:15

writing grantolade applications.

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aha.

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but that bureaucratic nonsense has nothing to do with the damned tools.

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mircea_popescu: neh, they should not have 'given the money to me!11111' but NOT GIVEN OUT BARRELS OF PRINTOLADE

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it is destructive.

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to anything it touches.

13:15

i'm sure people had to sign all sorts of spurious crap in order to give themselves a nice tan in the berylium bed.

13:16

such is life, but the berylium bed is STILL required if you're gonna use a reflector.

13:16

maxwell et al made do with no more tools than i have here where i sit.

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and i don't buy ANY of the 'low-hanging fruit' gargle.

13:16

so let's separate the matter of the actual physical tool that is the cern cyclotron from the presumed bureaucratic nonsense built around it.

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i dun think they are separable.

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because i now suspect i was always talking of the former part and you of the latter.

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as demonstrated by the ligo link

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heh

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and the fusion thread we had in 2014

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the tool still exists.

13:17

the f-35 tank also exists.

13:17

the fundamental property of ... property, as a construct, is that it is ALWAYS separable from the real estate.

13:17

land will be land with inca or without inca.

13:17

is f-35 separable in any meaningful way from its makers ?

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if any parts are, they will be.

13:17

it is not land, but a statue of idiot emperor, with little wings.

13:18

this is not so.

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worth ~= its weight in scrap iron.

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it's a cyclotron dude. so much a technical item as your toaster.

13:18

arguably, also "worth ~= weight in scrap" for that matter.

13:18

but we're not discussing here some sort of novel or unknown item. it's a cyclotron, like 1000s of others extant, only as large as a us state.

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realize that from where i sit, it is not possible by any means whatsoever to distinguish whether the particles actually fly, or whole echafaudage is == to 'n-rays' machine.

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understandably, it cost a little more than what a us state is worth.

13:19

perhaps last WORKING cyclotron was made in landau's time.

13:19

it is also not possible from where you sit to distinguish if your spleen is red or green in color.

13:19

quite possible!

13:20

when i live-blog seppuku, i promise to mention it!

13:20

well also quite not so cogent a consideration.

13:22

at any rate, particle accelerator per se exists, i have demonstrable items right here that there is no other known means of making. question concerns GIGANTIC particle accelerator, or gravity wave telescope, or other item, where output is ~not replicable~ by anyone who lacks access to ~that very same~ instrument

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well, unless you make an even larger one, eventually.

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kinda the fucking point of "first item of its kind" is to see what happens, neh ?

13:23

recall all the idiot "popular press" going on about how "it'll end teh world!!11" ?

13:23

except that, post-sov-collapse, there is never a WHOLLY DIFFERENT set of people to verify the first.

13:23

and so we get 'climate science.'

13:24

there is no option here. the eu has a budget, which it has taxed. it has to be spent. if it's not spent, recession, and much like a car that has been accelerated to the point where it either continues, or crashes horribly, they have to keep going. if recession, the whole "modern democracy" nonsense comes unglued.

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what will they spend on ? upkeeping roads ? "social justice" ? building really REALLY large cyclotron much better option than anything the us did with its set of printolade in the same interval.

13:24

just as true today as for pharaonic egypt and its pyramids.

13:24

it's really the ~equiv of space race, half century later.

13:25

go, replicate moon landing.

13:25

space vehicles were a comparatively harmless waste

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because did not demolish any existing useful field.

13:25

wtf "existing useful field"

13:25

they demolished! all the people moongazing!

13:25

schrodinger-era physics.

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shroedinger-era physics didn't work.

13:26

works great, right here on my desk.

13:26

this is like saying kissinger demolished nixon era politics.

13:26

gtfo. the sluts at home and the limp dicks at the bar demolished it.

13:26

"1950s are alive in my house" "aren't you bored ?"

13:26

schwarts vs adelberger. qed.

13:26

*schwartz

13:26

i fail to see the relation.

13:26

adelbergerization is an evil.

13:26

the ~relation~.

13:27

what, schwartz got named in schroedinger's testament or what is it.

13:27

adelberger: 'you ain't doing physics unless i give you a few hours on this here machine. and i ain't gonna.'

13:28

i'm sure for every machiavelli that did find ink and paper, a hundred didn't. this has very little to do with anything.

13:28

again and for the last time - being poor disqualifies one ~from humanity~.

13:28

want to be a person, get teh monyz first. then YOUR SON can be a person in your stead.

13:28

you don't just person because you felt persony that day.

13:29

you also dun just person because your father left behind a bag of dubloons for you to drink through.

13:29

certainly not.

13:30

you sex through finding a warm, wet hole to stick penis into. no, penis on its own not sufficient. no, hole by itself dun work. etc.

13:30

fwiw i personally have never met anyone worth talking to who inherited anything bigger than a library. but then again i prolly dun count as 'person' in mircea_popescu's radar.

13:30

asciilifeform: doesn't address the "whence the damned money"

13:30

just pleads it not so

13:31

isn't this the same "color of my spleen and i can't see who landed on the moon on my own desk" argument ?

13:31

trinque: waiwut

13:31

mircea_popescu: on the contrary, i can ping the corner mirror from here.

13:31

moon is terrible example, for that reason.

13:31

trinque the issue that people are miserable at educating their children is not really much of an excuse. stop sucking at it!

13:32

right. entirely separate consideration from whether a physicist needs fuel to do his physics

13:33

asciilifeform bacon was born rich. no good ? de broglie was actually a duke. etc.

13:33

lord kelvin, et al

13:33

there's plenty of successful cases, not as many as one'd want, i guess, but hey.

13:33

asciilifeform simply never met these folk !

13:33

didn't say they never lived.

13:34

so then it IS a parochial argument to ignorance, "but mp, i can't see my spleen!"

13:34

they don't live today.

13:34

de broglie died in like the 90s

13:34

or show me the fella who built a 'ligo' with own billion.

13:34

what do you mean "today"

13:34

which is why politics in the broadest sense is a more fundamental human problem than "physics"

13:34

asciilifeform: ^

13:34

de broglie did his work with pen & paper. in early 1900s.

13:34

dun matter when he died.

13:34

asciilifeform guess why the fuck.

13:35

all the work one could do pen and paper was done by 1925/1930.

13:35

this is where i disagree with mircea_popescu .

13:35

wholly.

13:35

yawell.

13:35

don't let me keep you from it.

13:35

dunno why mircea_popescu was inclined to bite this particular cathedral hook

13:35

the fact remains de broglie is an instructive example. i'd imagine he'd have said something AT SOME POINT neh ?

13:36

said what ?

13:36

'stop, idiots, physics is dying' ?

13:36

"here's this new pen and paper invention"

13:36

a theorist's productive life is ~over at 40.

13:36

what is he supposed to say.

13:36

hahaha bullshit.

13:36

now THAT is rank nonsense.

13:37

emphasis on the ~. there are 45 y.o. theorists worth mention, just as there may have been 45 y.o. whores who were fuckable, or gymnasts still winning gold

13:37

gymnasts, no.

13:37

but not where the smart money bets.

13:38

anyway, i kinda tire of this "here's random boyish nonsense i just pulled from ass, plox consider it seriously" affair. we shall resume later!

13:38

and mircea_popescu pulled not from arse ?

13:38

or pulled from his papal, sainted arse ?

13:38

i make generous use of my arse.

13:39

so that is not the point of disagreement.

13:39

but it entertains me to no end to learn that mircea_popescu buys into usgificated centralized faux-physics.

13:39

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Bzgz2jor9cn_WQDk3LvoRJT-mfSAF8C4eMCxBJJn_eZmBfSlJGRKO_MYRWFB8hAyorawr7SakiPiPJms5a-ZM1zxHN-MoHVrCahPnfupaIIg6K0jsIXpPcXKwA << these utter fucktards with their "statistics" and assorted pseudoscience bullshit.

13:40

"oh, look how discrepant the data we manipulated to look exactly this way is!"

13:40

i wonder, if they continued with the same increments all the way to 100mn, would it look the same way ?

13:40

mircea_popescu: ~noise. nobody counts, or could count, the mexicans, or the dope dealers, et al.

13:40

5k, 10k, 15k, 250k and over. o look, there's more in this "250k or over" than in the average 5k increment! could it be because it contains i dunno, 111`864 increments ?

13:41

i don't even have any reason to think that the chart accurately depicts the ~tax-paying~ folk.

13:41

asciilifeform the conversation flew as "alf: X NONSENSE STATEMENT!!!! PROBLEM ?" "mp: history doth not support" reiteraded numerous times. eventually it tires.

13:41

(incidentally, not only dope peddler, but peter thiel, flies on $maxing planes that are somehow not 'in his income' etc.)

13:41

*maxint

13:42

well yeah.

13:42

iirc came up in some discussion re why buffett wants higher taxes

13:42

something with grain

13:42

mircea_popescu has not 1 but 2 spiffy articles re same.

13:43

and lel, is 2011-vintage chart circulating as 'current' ?

13:43

anyway. dunno that the us is a significant actor in physics, or in general any science these days. they withdrew to "engineering" in the 70s, and then moved on to wtf they do now, "Social sciences", gave the engineering to the azns.

13:43

didn't we just have a thread re this phenomenon ?

13:43

but be that as it may - physics as a romantic endeavour is, and has been over.

13:43

i'm not even the first to observe this, by a good century.

13:43

over as pretty much anything but a money sink.

13:44

just like computing in the sense of "ima hack my cpu together out of sawdust" is gone ; physics will require forevermore rather expensive tools.

13:44

until, just as with cpu, it will be done with cheap tools - or not at all.

13:44

collapse reaper cometh.

13:45

in point of fact we're flat against a tall stair, and so i don't expect much either way.

13:46

(of all the perverse reasons to consider the whole adventure is a set-up, such as, look how convenient that it so happens water is a) universal solvent ; b) very high caloric capacity - life'd be not quite possible without either, nor is there good reason for them to match up, not anymore than for the euler equation at any rate : the science progression is one of the best

13:46

seriously, it "just so happened" that the next thing to discover was within reach ? EVERY time ? get fucked already.

13:47

eventually this stair that was "accidentally made" by "rocks falling" will show a step that's you know, higher than 6 inches tall.

13:47

like say 75 billion kilometers tall. random numbers, right ?

13:47

)

13:47

kelvin thought same thing and was full of shit.

13:47

so he did.

13:47

but it is very easy to say 'tall stair!' when ~you personally~ don't see over the fence.

13:47

it tends to annoy the folks who do see.

13:47

i admit to being a very short physicist, theoretical or otherwise.

13:48

schwartz had a very plausible recipe for room-temperature supercon, for instance.

13:48

published, to 0 effect.

13:48

it is not enough for the fence to 'not be too tall'

13:48

climber also has to not be a quadriplegic.

13:48

none of this is interesting. unless you personally are looking for supercon, for some sort of reason, what diff does it make ?

13:49

makes considerable difference to ~every aspect of engineering.

13:49

*

mircea_popescu shrugs

13:49

from pocket-sized mri scanner to blaster pistol.

13:49

fuck or get off the pig.

13:50

mile-long queue to even get on the pig. or at least what original thread was.

13:50

no, no. you want to talk about neglected science being both valid and useful, there's only one way to do this : do.

13:50

if you ain't doin', you mayn't talk.

13:50

sorta what i said to him about my 50k-usd eotvos tester variant.

13:51

still can't fathom why fella didn't listen.

13:51

this being the main problem with "idea people", theoretical physicists or otherwise. "oh, i see over the fence" "get lost"

13:51

asciilifeform i can.

13:51

at the time i even had access to the necessary calorimeter. so it would not have even been the 50k.

13:52

he even had the benzyl crystals mostly grown.

13:52

i have no fucking idea what the man's problem was.

13:52

... perhaps ~some~ idea, see the adelberger thread, he wanted a formal capitulation from the enemy, and knew that he would never get it

13:52

there's more to that "adolescent business fantasy" than just that, money. there's also an "imaginary womenz and sexings" thing ; there's also a "great ideas in my great idea binder" etc.

13:53

they all without exception stem from inflated vanity, which is to say a contradiction between the individual's own sense of worth and the apparent or discerned valuation by "society", somehow defined.

13:53

there is the mass of idiot neurotypicals and there are the folks with actual ideas.

13:53

this, obviously, is easy for adolescents to do. but people all ages have or can develop vanity issues.

13:54

and consequently, it becomes less a matter of "how my cryustals grow" and more a mattrer of "let's have coffee and gossip about that asshole who's the reason i can't do all the good things for humanatee".

13:54

the word doesn't exist in english, but it's a "filosofie a ratarii", a fuckup's mindset.

13:55

mircea_popescu can laugh at schwartz for being the sort of fool who lands in the mousetrap where adelbergers matter to begin with;

13:55

not what i did.

13:55

but you gotta remember that fella is old enough that it was not yet a mousetrap when he made the commitment.

13:55

i am not even discussing the schwartz fellow at all, i dun really know him.

13:55

well this re 'let's have coffee and gossip about that asshole who's the reason i can't do all the good things'

13:55

what i'm discussing is your very bizarre stance whereby "the hero is prevented from saving world by park maid".

13:55

this is, by itself, nonsense.

13:56

vavilov was successfully prevented from doing much of anything again by lysenko.

13:56

was he 'gossiping idiot' ?

13:56

what, exactly, was vavilov's mistake ?

13:56

picked wrong place to be born ?

13:56

i give ~no thought to this entire "prevented from doing", much like the typically female "you made me do" dun enter into my thoughts.

13:56

so i'm not really the right guy to ask about them things.

13:57

he had vavilov killed

13:57

(because orcs are simple folk and this was the easiest thing to do)

13:57

or maybe because he was fucking his wife.

13:58

'where they cut off yer lips, 'cause they don't like yer smile!111' -- disney's 'aladin'

13:59

anyway. soviet crazies, what can i tell you, and why should i care.

14:00

because they did not vanish, no.

14:00

looky, the question is a) entirely unrelated to the discussion and b) not substantially different from "what should the senior washington official stabbed to death have done".

14:00

she should have fucking fought, and won.

14:01

or should have dealt dope instead of running for office ?

14:01

multiple answers possible

14:01

alternatively, she should stop whining about being dead.

14:01

either one, but not any third.

14:04

*

trinque imagines a rat who can smell the cheese, gets stuck in a dead end of the maze adjacent, never goes around the other way, starves.

14:04

trinque: if martians lift you by your tail and put you in large enough maze, you will also starve.

14:05

it need not even be very large.

14:05

funny, i routinely explore mazes as part of playing online games.

14:05

i recently read some allegation, of unknown veracity, that a beggar in peru chewed (why? i dunno) on a tube of superglue, and consequently starved.

14:05

you'd be surprised what a coupla hours' worth of left hand rule can do to many acres worth of tight maze

14:06

asciilifeform: I'm just paraphrasing you from other threads, CPU^H^H^Hphysics might be hundreds of years from here.

14:06

mircea_popescu: rat, afaik, has not yet invented righthandrule.

14:06

'step too tall' for him.

14:06

but you said martians and trinque.

14:06

well clearly it will have to be n-dimensional maze for him.

14:06

...

14:07

go generalize right-hand rule to n dimensions.

14:07

(i bet martin gardner had this as a puzzle in his column, but unfortunately my 100kg of old sciam are not searchable...)

14:15

[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.72.147 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.72.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+189.203.72.147@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D60710F34429805CA983E018B19C9D0400E3978C6A4F97721303D362A1E9

14:15

[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.149 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+189.203.181.149@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F97816E68FFBD245AD39F3509A34B16D8F193D91A6125903354AB4CB38

14:15

bang!

14:17

lel, these urls are cut off.

14:19

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F97816E68FFBD245AD39F3509A34B16D8F193D91A6125903354AB4CB383548F3

14:19

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D60710F34429805CA983E018B19C9D0400E3978C6A4F97721303D362A1E9941

14:20

'Total Play Telecomunicaciones'. Mexico, Morelos, Tlalnepantla.

14:20

yep, I'm gonna do something about that. ssh ones are a bit long.

14:22

;;later tell BingoBoingo feel free to fix the links in my original comment

14:22

The operation succeeded.

14:34

$later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/12Ml

14:34

;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/12Ml

14:34

The operation succeeded.

14:34

grr

14:38

trinque: re. "ssh ones are a bit long." << yeah you're right, need to shorten them..

14:39

and while on topic, there'll be another tarball soon asciilifeform - considerably smaller, but still > 1M

14:40

from rescan of ipv4, from 'untainted' ip addresses. the ">1M" is due not only to rescan itself, but also because i had excluded ipv4 ranges for hetzner which had been sending tons of abuse complaintz. i can handle those complaints now. but i had forgotten about exclusion of hetzner ssh hosts. the new tarball will fix this (it won't include any old ssh keys, only new ones).

14:41

(i.e. i had originally planned to re-scan those hetzner ranges and include them in the original tarball, but ended up postponing that.)

14:44

will be interesting to later also look how many of the originally-online nodes were down in this new rescan, and how many new ones appeared (i.e. when hetzner ranges are removed).

14:44

look at*

14:49

the excluded ranges for anyone curious: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/blacklist.conf.txt (the ones before "# temporary" are default for masscan, based on ipv4 reserved ranges from IANA)

14:51

you prolly shoul scan reserved ranges also, if routable

15:02

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Seal_of_the_United_States_Strategic_Command.svg << this has got to be the world's worst kludge of a visual design.

15:02

seriously, olive branch ? by people who never saw an olive tree or what.

15:03

leaving aside how it doesn't respect ohm's law (as restated for RED lightnings)

15:09

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500694 << i'm probably top 3 in the west, but there's not really that many people in the saskabushian and surrounding prairies

15:09

Logged on 2016-07-10 15:31 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500678 << heh you make it sound as though pete is buyer numba one of imaginary bitcoinz

15:09

nevermind ones that know wtf a bit con is

15:09

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500209 << it's called a mitzvah. wut.

15:09

Logged on 2016-07-09 02:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1500179 << this thing just melted my brainz. some schmuck crying because he could not become a... health inspector! and pete_dushenski advising him on how to cry less

15:11

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-monks-free-lobsters-1.3672032 << speaking of misguided mitzvot (but aren't they all ?)

15:13

"Before releasing the lobsters, the monks held a 20-minute ceremony with a prayer and chant to the Buddha of compassion. Dan said you don't have to have a ceremony or be a Buddhist to practice compassion to be nicer to all the living beings around you and try to think from their point of view." << be nice to the other crabs in the bucket mkay

15:14

the principal thinker from "their point of view" is the hunter.

15:16

only until they were saved by the will of buddha snackbar

15:17

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501003 << Typically all the church does is rent out the basement

15:17

Logged on 2016-07-11 13:43 mircea_popescu: but these are different concerns. i dunno how it runs, but i don't think there's customarily some guy in the church extolling aa is there ?

15:17

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500991 << /me would pay admission to watch bidding war in davout's webpage comments

15:17

Logged on 2016-07-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: it's not JUST that websites masquerading as "business" and purporting to sell for "billions" notwithstanding they wouldn't gather bids worth 80 btc in an open market a la linkedin, watsap and so on.

15:19

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501013 << what the shit kind of bearing on any conversation of consequence could us 'legal' definition have ?

15:19

Logged on 2016-07-11 13:46 danielpbarron: that is a contradiction, at least according to the US legal definition -- a church is literally a "place of worship"

15:19

you missed the part where he was doing some research.

15:20

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501031 << no, that'd be the moslems. newest is bestest is truest! or else oldest. middle doesn't really factor, nor can it.

15:20

Logged on 2016-07-11 13:50 danielpbarron: Christians are the true Jews

15:21

mircea_popescu: no, i caught that part. just didn't see the bearing.

15:21

...

15:21

us legal defination can say that all potatoes must be mashed in churches, but how would this be enforced ?

15:22

cuz you're trying to make a church to that spec ?

15:22

I don't see how this lock has any bearing on breaking into this house

15:22

it has window!

15:23

name the window then

15:23

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501011 <-- doesn't contradict because 'place of worship' definition because doesn't necessitate worship of 'god'

15:23

Logged on 2016-07-11 13:46 mircea_popescu: i wonder if you can have a church that worships no god at all.

15:23

can worship love, neh ?

15:24

other abstraction ?

15:24

'togetherness', etc.

15:24

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501171 << Have same cert. Actual cost is nil.

15:24

Logged on 2016-07-11 15:43 asciilifeform: if it is a decorative arch, that NOBODY will ever walk on - not hard.

15:25

it is very easy to make church with no godz, no doctrine, no history, etc. so long as you just want to wear a pope hat and hang certificate on wall

15:26

if you want to actually buy seven figs of tax-free real estate, etc. - different matter.

15:26

see: scientology

15:26

as witnessed by the half dozen perfectly-conventional protestant churches whose licenses were yanked by obummer.

15:26

trinque: scientology was sui generis.

15:27

and is famous for successfully infiltrating fbi, rather than getting its ducks in a line legalistically.

15:27

how's that unique; that seems to be the only road towards "actual church" that works

15:27

unique in being the sole 20th c. example.

15:28

yeah because hard, but that's the road

15:30

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501122 << ...singapore, switzerland, israel...

15:30

Logged on 2016-07-11 15:21 asciilifeform: sop in ru, kr, fi, etc

15:30

actually it's semi-surprisingly there aren't any singaporeans in the wot afaik

15:30

pete_dushenski: aha. it is the contractor army that is unusual.

15:31

(deedbot l2 wot, that is)

15:31

then again, big space, how'd one know (or care)

15:32

asciilifeform: polaks even gearing up atm. integrating weekender 'paratrooper' divisions into general army

15:35

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501208 <--> https://bitbet.us/bet/1223/gravitational-waves-will-be-found-by-ligo-before/ << recall!

15:35

Logged on 2016-07-11 16:22 asciilifeform: 'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it. It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.'

15:39

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501241 << 'Why, then, ’tis none to you, for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. To me it is a prison.' (hamlet) (tm) (r)

15:39

Logged on 2016-07-11 16:39 mircea_popescu: understand : the crime is never to have done so-and-so concrete item ; but to have done it WHILE DRESSED IN THE WRONG SHIRT.

15:45

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501651 << http://www.atruechurch.info/godislove.html

15:45

Logged on 2016-07-11 19:23 pete_dushenski: can worship love, neh ?

15:45

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/insect_numbers_declining_why_it_matters/3012/#.V4ODWx4LMi0.twitter << gogogadget monocultural farming! fucking travesty the likes of which we have no conceivable way of measuring the consequences of.

15:46

danielpbarron: worx

15:46

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501640 << http://www.atruechurch.info/quran.html

15:46

Logged on 2016-07-11 19:20 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501031 << no, that'd be the moslems. newest is bestest is truest! or else oldest. middle doesn't really factor, nor can it.

15:47

plus, I'd love to see you get a muslim to say he's a jew

15:49

danielpbarron: not like i'd expect you to agree. more just tossing around armchair analysis. at the end of the day, most men want to die in the religion of their fathers.

15:49

danielpbarron: ha, ya that'll never happen eh

15:50

moslem more likely to admit that he's a kiddie diddler like his prophet than a despicable hebe

15:51

youngest wife of mohammed was what, 7 ? 9yo ?

15:51

aha. 'aisha'. 9yo she was.

15:56

bbias

15:56

asciilifeform: urls fxd

15:56

ty BingoBoingo .

15:57

can remove the now-useless comments.

16:00

I'll keep

16:01

May have been linked to, no way to tell

16:05

[Qntra] Activity On ChangeTip Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/activity-on-changetip-today/

16:07

thx BingoBoingo i didn't think it'd make it xD

16:09

BingoBoingo: both changetip links point to same qntra comment

16:10

o/ pete_dushenski

16:10

Amazing how that works

16:10

That comment is the definitive explanation of the problem

16:10

'it is the beginning, it is the end. it is the sunrise, it is the sunset'

16:11

It failed to step 1

16:11

2-steppin' ain't easy

16:13

https://www.rt.com/uk/350687-urine-powered-phone-charger/ << 'Yes wee can! Pee-powered phone charger provides 3hrs call time' << obutthurt's legacy in a nutshell

16:15

'microbial fuel cell' << lel

16:16

can only be proven on $bn machine! ;/

16:16

photovoltaic wasn't bad enough re joules-to-manufacture-vs-joules-lifetime-yield ratio, let's also make fuel cell, using whole bottom half of period table

16:17

*periodic

16:18

incl. einsteinium, halfnium, tmsrium.

16:19

jurov

let's make cell powered by prayer to tmsr designated deity

16:20

eh we have those now

16:20

if jurov's has run low, he needs a new sacrifice

16:20

(it runs on the dripping fat)

16:23

and it's all gravy

16:32

http://www.downvids.net/cute-tot-learns-to-spell-and-read-845614.html << in other 'teaching kids letters but not words' news

16:33

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501659 << yeah seriously, what was wrong with them ? too white ?

↖ ↖

16:33

Logged on 2016-07-11 19:26 asciilifeform: as witnessed by the half dozen perfectly-conventional protestant churches whose licenses were yanked by obummer.

16:35

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501676 << what's with all the focus on jesus with this guy anyway ? i don't recall exactly where he actually said jesus when meaning god, but in any case god is certainly fucking proud. he says so!

16:35

Logged on 2016-07-11 19:45 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501651 << http://www.atruechurch.info/godislove.html

16:36

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501682 << much like geting a mormon to admit john smith was an invidious peasant who lifted what he could from the bible.

16:36

Logged on 2016-07-11 19:47 danielpbarron: plus, I'd love to see you get a muslim to say he's a jew

16:36

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501687 a) marriage there doesn't mean what you think it does (it's a welfare-for-women arrangement) ; b) they didn't consumate it till much later.

16:36

Logged on 2016-07-11 19:51 pete_dushenski: aha. 'aisha'. 9yo she was.

16:37

o.

16:37

in that case uncle mo isn't a kiddie diddler ?

16:38

follow the logic : women are not allowed productive outlets. therefore, they're either supported or starve. if you don't want her to starve, you'll support her. to support her she has to live in your house, this isn't a dhl land. for a woman to live in your house, she'd better be married to you. therefore...

16:39

that said, plenty of notable people in history were born out of women that never experienced menarche. it happens.

16:39

i see that. thus, girl's father pays ~me~ to take her off his hands

16:39

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << supposedly 'took party side'

16:39

Logged on 2016-07-11 20:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501659 << yeah seriously, what was wrong with them ? too white ?

16:39

verboten.

16:39

heh.

16:39

and yes, too white!111

16:39

his outrage of a fucktarded friend is ok tho, what was his name

16:40

the crazy obama's pastor fellow

16:40

jeremiah wright

16:40

jessie jackson ?

16:40

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501726 << still sop in india

16:40

Logged on 2016-07-11 20:39 mircea_popescu: that said, plenty of notable people in history were born out of women that never experienced menarche. it happens.

16:40

~nobody whines.

16:45

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501706 << but it works "on your pee". the bottle's just a hidden externality! hidden in plain sight!

16:45

Logged on 2016-07-11 20:16 asciilifeform: photovoltaic wasn't bad enough re joules-to-manufacture-vs-joules-lifetime-yield ratio, let's also make fuel cell, using whole bottom half of period table

16:45

that's the important part, fucking urea solution, recast as "your pee!!!". not the rest. that.

16:45

well done ustard, you've contributed! YOUR PEE!

16:46

this is, ftr, volkswagen's 'advanced' diesel cleaning tech - urea injection

16:46

*

mircea_popescu adds line to his absent social media profiles, "i can't be bothered to re-read this, and besides it's running on my piss anyway"

16:46

has been for ~decade. the 'non-advanced' ones w/o piss tanks in trunk were the ones that needed to cheat nox emissions standards

16:47

had every vw been outfitted with 'the people's pee', no nox problem. the irony!

16:51

;;ticker --market all

16:52

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~ 17 minutes ~

17:10

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501683 << actually my parents are atheists

17:10

Logged on 2016-07-11 19:49 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: not like i'd expect you to agree. more just tossing around armchair analysis. at the end of the day, most men want to die in the religion of their fathers.

17:10

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << actually, from my reading of the official documentation, you can be denied simply for being "too similar" to other existing churches

↖ ↖

17:10

Logged on 2016-07-11 20:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501659 << yeah seriously, what was wrong with them ? too white ?

17:11

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501717 << Jesus is God..

17:11

Logged on 2016-07-11 20:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501676 << what's with all the focus on jesus with this guy anyway ? i don't recall exactly where he actually said jesus when meaning god, but in any case god is certainly fucking proud. he says so!

17:12

danielpbarron: were your parents' parents atheists as well ?

17:14

my dad's mom was a christian scientist and is therefor probably in hell now, her husband didn't practice anything that i'm aware of, and on my mom's side they were probably run-of-the-mill false christians of some sort, but whatever it was it didn't play a big role

17:17

"christian science" entertains the shit out of me

17:17

dares call itself that, based primarily on voodoo quackery

17:18

"hm, that word science is going places; maybe we should hitch a ride!"

17:18

right, it is neither christian nor science, and it was founded by a woman

17:20

like theranos!

17:20

actually the similarities are striking.

17:23

I want a deity that's a cross between hanbot and La Santa Muerte.

17:24

well hanbot and I are the only faithful Eulorans heh heh

17:25

I walked around in circles for 3 days in Eulora. I'm probably dead or something now

17:25

I am happy to be the God of any that require one. Please send your 10% tithe to deedbot's address.

17:26

hell I'll make it 9%, undercut those other gods

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*

17:26

shinohai, there is no death yet

17:26

Oh mircea_popescu is still looking for perfect death ?

17:26

my character "dies" hundreds of times daily

17:27

there can't be death before there is marriage, as we are supposed to pass on our assets to next of kin

17:29

leave assets to church

17:29

or to cats

17:29

can't do that either, so far the only discovered skill in the 'faith' line is 'sacrifice'

17:30

if you got stuff to give, I can douse it in wine and burn it on an altar for ya though :D

17:30

shinohai: nah they'd just blow it on catnip and balls of yarn

17:30

at least churches build... churches

17:35

on a related note : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga-l_n91kYI

17:39

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501752 << i dun think we're at risk.

17:39

Logged on 2016-07-11 21:10 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << actually, from my reading of the official documentation, you can be denied simply for being "too similar" to other existing churches

17:46

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501746 << iirc it was discovered that they all cheat, and the piss tank was a deliberate smoke'n'mirror sham.

17:46

Logged on 2016-07-11 20:46 pete_dushenski: has been for ~decade. the 'non-advanced' ones w/o piss tanks in trunk were the ones that needed to cheat nox emissions standards

17:47

is in the l0gz, somewhere.

17:49

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501649 << if this were trivial, every idiot would declare his house 'church of mammon' and pay 0 tax.

17:49

Logged on 2016-07-11 19:23 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501011 <-- doesn't contradict because 'place of worship' definition because doesn't necessitate worship of 'god'

17:49

this was the whole VW "scandal", that their combustion engines don't fart rainbows

18:00

;;later tell mod6 'curl -s http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz' << weren't we gonna stop doing this ?

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The operation succeeded.

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and especially 'http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost'

18:00

srsly, wtf

18:04

ahahahaha, speaking of sheriffs and deputies, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/11/at-least-four-people-reported-shot-at-michigan-courthouse.html

18:04

'Two court bailiffs were killed and a police officer shot Monday inside a southwestern Michigan courthouse when an inmate broke loose and got his hands on a deputy's gun, officials said.'

18:05

'A Berrien County Commissioner told WBND that a man who was on his way to jail took a gun off a deputy and started opening fire.'

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