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00:46 deedbot deeds online
00:52 trinque ^ did a bit of maintenance; node back online
00:53 * trinque offline
01:00 mod6 thanks for the update
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01:55 ben_vulpes i'll believe it when i see it: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-blockchain-insurance-marine/ey-teams-up-with-maersk-microsoft-on-blockchain-based-marine-insurance-idUSKCN1BG3B6
01:56 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-2#197795 << moving, building new command post over the next two weeks; should return to 'contributing member of society' status within the month
01:56 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2017-09-02 16:41 mircea_popescu: one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.
02:07 mircea_popescu no shit, rothbard was here ?
02:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a correct, if not novel idea, near-equilibrium and far-equilibrium physics.
02:09 mircea_popescu anyway, physics is only broke in the us, and mostly because us is broke. euro physics is doing fine, spending about the entire us welfare budget on things like large lasers, ciclotrons and the like.
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02:09 mircea_popescu and let's not talk of small yellow men from far away.
02:13 ben_vulpes feats of aviation: https://twitter.com/NOAA_HurrHunter/status/905184657431506945
02:17 mircea_popescu so is that vomit mccain dead yet ? or still clinging to a world that really has no place for him ?
02:17 BingoBoingo Not yet
02:18 mircea_popescu inept dork, can't even die at a normal pace. everything with him was slow.
02:19 BingoBoingo Well, no different on that front than Sumner Redstone et al
02:20 mircea_popescu one of the foremost things 2017 us has to be ashamed of, alongside pantsuited hilarity and friends.
02:21 trinque he'll hang on long enough to fuck up the great again's reduction of the passthrough rate to 15%
02:21 trinque can't have anything smaller than walmart employing people
02:21 ben_vulpes oh ffs trinque that's hate speech
02:21 mircea_popescu they should name a vomitorium after him.
02:21 mircea_popescu and speaking of "holy shit can you imagine how that smells", http://68.media.tumblr.com/ef8d57472ee7fe4e7d2c75827aef5324/tumblr_nvtsc6G38p1u2v3gso1_400.gif
02:24 trinque squeeeeak
02:24 trinque hey john mccain! high five!
02:24 * trinque to bed
02:25 mircea_popescu on da flip side!
02:36 mircea_popescu http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode << in otheer lulz, freenode lost 20% of its channels late june 2017. THAT is however not something they feel the need to discuss at all, much like the report that they were going to publish coupla years ago about the nsa infiltrated servers they turned up.
02:36 mircea_popescu good thing they keep whining about all the inept consensus events tho, THAT is important.
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02:59 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
02:59 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4512.49, vol: 15232.40048958 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4513.0, vol: 34325.56125057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4409.2146, vol: 15366.40700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4594.5, vol: 4515.8226671 | Volume-weighted last average: 4495.22156868
03:00 BingoBoingo It's amazing how much more stable this volatility keeps getting
03:01 mircea_popescu wait, i thought it was dropping. what'd i miss.
03:02 BingoBoingo Dropping and rebounding, and what was the high price in 2012?
03:03 mircea_popescu 1cent!
03:06 BingoBoingo Nah that was the median 2010 price or something.
03:17 mircea_popescu check out alf made a little nsa banner thing! http://www.loper-os.org/snsa_small.jpg
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03:20 BingoBoingo lol, I have a physical one of those!
03:20 mircea_popescu hehe
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10:28 mod6 mornin
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10:50 mircea_popescu say phf ! since you're in moscow, what's the bdsm scene like ? do they have a club ? mind doing a field report ?
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11:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711112 << eu is ever busy stringtheorizing and expensively cyclotroning, meanwhile avoiding any risk of actual relevance, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658483 .
11:45 a111 Logged on 2017-09-07 06:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, physics is only broke in the us, and mostly because us is broke. euro physics is doing fine, spending about the entire us welfare budget on things like large lasers, ciclotrons and the like.
11:45 a111 Logged on 2017-05-18 18:46 asciilifeform: whereas ACTUALLY promising, and wholly noncrackpotterious direction of particle physics -- induced beta decay -- is funded to the princely sum of..
11:45 mircea_popescu i'm entirely unsure why these two items (string theory ; high energy particles) are so strictly welded together in your head.
11:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501208 << bigmachinephysicsisascam thread , because asciilifeform is lazy
11:45 a111 Logged on 2016-07-11 16:22 asciilifeform: 'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it. It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.'
11:46 mircea_popescu nevertheless, if i were allocating fundamental research funds, i'd spend most of it on high energy particle research.
11:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'particle zoo' curation is what the post-war twits with 0 imagination have busied themselves with.
11:46 asciilifeform there's research, and there's stamp collecting.
11:46 mircea_popescu high energy is definitionally research.
11:47 asciilifeform the sad thing is that money pretty much begs itself to be spent on fancy machines. because neither mircea_popescu nor i nor anybody else could transform arbitrarily large bag of money, into another schrodinger.
11:47 mircea_popescu understand something : the criterion for FUNDAMENTAL research is not "whether it's promising", in any sense or packaging. that is the criterion for INDUSTRIAL research, and let industry fucking do it.
11:48 mircea_popescu the criterion for fundamental research is "was it ever done before", and high energy particles meet it out of the gate. ~nothing else does.
11:48 asciilifeform and fwiw the 1 serious open question i know of , that could be answered with costly machine -- is the al schwartz eotvos test. pretty low energy, at that.
11:48 mircea_popescu so let apple do that.
11:48 asciilifeform lol
11:48 mircea_popescu they'rte the ones whining for relevancy. why the fuck did zuckershithead spend 100bn on "instagram" or w/e random spamsite with "here's a number we printed on a webpage and we labeled it USERS!!!" instead ?
11:49 mircea_popescu shoulda done the test, actually mattered irl.
11:49 asciilifeform these folx specifically dun want their 'relevance' anchored on anything physical, tho
11:49 mircea_popescu a well.
11:49 asciilifeform because physical means 'not fully on their own terms' or how did it go
11:49 asciilifeform there was a tlp piece iirc re subj.
11:49 mircea_popescu this still doesn't change the categories. it is not the business of government to pick up the slack of facebook being intellectually bankrupt.
11:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-22#764444 << see also ye old mrmold's take on subj
11:50 a111 Logged on 2014-07-22 22:40 asciilifeform: carnegie mellon << 'Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfecti
11:51 mircea_popescu except for the part where "republic can never exist, socialism and government===society is all there is".
11:52 asciilifeform d00d very clearly nostalgiated for a pre-lincoln usa , but had very fragmentary picture of it
11:53 mircea_popescu indeed.
11:53 mircea_popescu or else, guy very well preyed on the substantial, idiotic naivite of esl tards who had such nostalgy, and also very gullible.
11:54 mircea_popescu useful to implant "republic can never exist, socialism and government===society is all there is" in their stupid fucking heads, then they'll look at trilema and "form their own opinions" on the side.
11:55 mircea_popescu but anyway, i think i said it before. and if i didn't, here it is again : curtis yarvin may be stupid, or else he may be evil, but in either case he's done more to ruin his country than quisling did to ruin his.
11:55 mircea_popescu let god judge his internal state, i care little past the deeds.
12:08 asciilifeform gullible << noshit.jpg
12:08 asciilifeform upstack re physicists : i could've sworn we had the unifications thread
12:08 asciilifeform i find it strange that mircea_popescu forgives the pseudophysicists the same sins that he correctly unforgives the pseudocryptographers
12:09 mircea_popescu the former is physics, the latter is math. the building of items THAT NEVER BEFORE EXISTED is a defensible activity to a degree most others (spawning, doing art, including shakespeare, etcetera) are not.
12:10 asciilifeform namely, 1) their artfully dodging the front lines , of the actually relevant problems known in their time 2) piling up megatonne upon megatonne of mathemasturbatory jizzrag , instead of doing their duty in going for maxwellian parsimony until last drop of blood
12:10 mircea_popescu you understand, it's not that "this is a new model of spoon, we had spoons before but this is just a different take".
12:10 mircea_popescu these are, literally, items that never before existed in the strictest categorical sense.
12:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's, again, no obligation to meaning for fundamental research. that is still industrial research you're thinking of.
12:11 asciilifeform theoretically every turd that comes out of a pig is also 'new object, never before existed'
12:11 mircea_popescu not at all.
12:11 mircea_popescu turd, like all others. whereas the first petawatt laser IS, as a factual matter, the first such laser ever built. for all we know -- every built anywhere in the universe.
12:11 mircea_popescu it increases by one the length of the list of items god must maintain.
12:12 mircea_popescu there can be no further accomplishment than this, in the sense of fundamental research.
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12:12 asciilifeform megalaser, without the parsimonizing of the output into physical law, is a pyramid.
12:13 mircea_popescu why do you think that description you're trying to add to it can possibly be made to stick ?
12:14 mircea_popescu you've not spittle sufficiently sticky for it.
12:14 mircea_popescu in any case -- it is not the job of columb to make sense of the new world.
12:26 asciilifeform !!up PeterL
12:26 deedbot PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
12:26 PeterL hi all
12:26 PeterL http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CPPkN/?raw=true << ada keccak, criticism welcome
12:26 mircea_popescu o hey.
12:27 asciilifeform neato PeterL
12:27 shinohai Nifty PeterL
12:28 * asciilifeform will read
12:29 PeterL keep in mind I am just learning ada as I do this, I feel like there might be a more efficient way to do some of the things (like the type conversions)
12:29 asciilifeform PeterL: 1 nitpick so far : you can't presume the bitness of 'Natural'
12:29 PeterL why not?
12:30 asciilifeform PeterL: if you have constants with explicit bitness, you gotta use, e.g., Unsigned_64
12:30 asciilifeform or at least mod 2**64
12:30 PeterL wait, bitness for which type?
12:30 asciilifeform type Round_Constants is array(Natural range 1 .. 24) of Lane;
12:31 PeterL Lane is a mod 2**64 type
12:31 asciilifeform oh hm nm then
12:31 asciilifeform i'ma read whole thing before emitting any moar nonsense
12:31 PeterL ok, I will look forward to your comments!
12:32 asciilifeform PeterL: out of curiosity, how didja test this item ?
12:32 trinque hey PeterL, mind getting a blog together and putting this on it?
12:32 trinque it'll end up lost to the sands of wotpaste
12:32 PeterL well, my next step was going to be actual testing, right now I just got it to not have any compile errors! :)
12:33 PeterL just thought you might be interested in seeing the progress
12:34 mircea_popescu i second the blog idea. PeterL you have a healthy output phi, you should not leave it at the mercy of archive-bot-saved-a-paste.
12:34 PeterL ok, I'll look into getting something set up
12:34 shinohai If you need copy of mp-wp PeterL I can accomodate
12:34 mircea_popescu modesty is good and well, as an solipsitic limit for the self. it can not stand against others' telling you to make it.
12:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711138 << a yea i put up flag on my human www. it bringeth traffic, believe or not ( to what end -- is other q entirely )
12:38 a111 Logged on 2017-09-07 07:17 mircea_popescu: check out alf made a little nsa banner thing! http://www.loper-os.org/snsa_small.jpg
12:39 mircea_popescu pretty cool.
12:40 asciilifeform ( if somebody wants to link , and use the flag -- go ahead. though we dun have a spamatronic money-sharing scheme of any sort . )
12:41 shinohai Defeat the NSA with this ONE COOL TRICK <<< click here
12:41 asciilifeform lol
12:41 asciilifeform '10 things obummer dun want you to know'
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13:18 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/children-love-to-watch-their-parents-get-into-serious-arguments-because-theyll-hear-for-the-first-time-of-things-they-never-could-have-guessed-ever-existed/ << Trilema - Children love to watch their parents get into serious arguments because they'll hear for the first time of things they never could have guessed ever existed
13:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tense -> terse ??
13:31 mircea_popescu no, tense.
13:32 mircea_popescu textual tension is a measure of relation complexity per unit space.
13:32 asciilifeform lolbondstrain
13:32 mircea_popescu right
13:33 mircea_popescu very direct measure of the power of a language -- weak languages only have van der waals links and thereby can't support complexity such as life
13:33 mircea_popescu you need stronger interactions for that.
13:33 mircea_popescu which is why english is ~soup. unless fortified with a lot of latin / middle french, shakespeare style.
13:33 * asciilifeform pictures a future tmsr switch to something resembling medieval latin
13:34 asciilifeform commercial pidgins based on language of long-forgotten island only goes so far...
13:36 mircea_popescu a fine example in that very same paragraph : "I don't expect I've done" is very much different from the "plain english" "equivalent" "I don't think I've done" : as there is no relation between expectation and reality, saying "i don't expect i've done" is a perfectly fine sendoff on a masterpiece. not same in the case of the latter
13:36 mircea_popescu which brings back the sad fact of the matter : there's no such thing as a weak language ; only imbecile speakers
13:36 mircea_popescu (who are borne out of the interaction between their stupid mothers and a weak language)
13:37 asciilifeform who then proceed to make yet-weaker lang etc
13:40 mircea_popescu meanwhile textual tension is very much related to anti-synonymy (via http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 ) and to translation-difficulty as a scalar, via the mediation of something akin to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697164 : "the cardinality of the set of objects that fit the bill divided by the cardinality of the set of objects summoned".
13:40 a111 Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
13:40 a111 Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
13:40 asciilifeform orthogonality
13:40 mircea_popescu very much throwback to the problem of "man is that animal with flat nails" / "here's a chicken" issue
13:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not really, because there's no such thing as orthogonality in natural language. that's a property of a correctly constructed theorem ("let it have no overlapping lemmas") and therefore relevant in computing.
13:41 asciilifeform just because not constructed intentionally, dun mean it aint there
13:42 asciilifeform !#s so that the room will be empty
13:42 a111 1 result for "so that the room will be empty", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=so%20that%20the%20room%20will%20be%20empty
13:42 mircea_popescu language as used by humans is actually predicated on the impossibility of orthogonality.
13:42 asciilifeform expand?
13:42 mircea_popescu eh wtf, we don't have the koans in the logs now ?!
13:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform give me an example of two items of language that are orthogonal.
13:43 asciilifeform 'up' 'down' 'left' 'right' 'yes' 'no' ??
13:43 mircea_popescu absolutely not. they're eminently codependent.
13:43 asciilifeform well up is orthogonal to left!11!
13:43 mircea_popescu it is not.
13:43 mircea_popescu !#s progress
13:43 a111 685 results for "progress", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=progress
13:43 asciilifeform if that ain't orthogonal i have nfi what and where is
13:44 mircea_popescu ^ up-and-left = progress.
13:44 asciilifeform is bottom-and-right = purple ?
13:44 mircea_popescu this is unclear.
13:45 mircea_popescu but i think the point transpires, if metaphorically : the fundamental reason language even exists in any usable, useful form is the rejection of orthogonality as a possibility.
13:45 asciilifeform i dun get at all how. but possibly requires moar lsd.
13:46 mircea_popescu how what you mean ?
13:46 asciilifeform where does 'rejection of orthogonality as a possibility' come out of
13:46 asciilifeform why needed for 'language in any usable form'
13:46 mircea_popescu note that i'm not saying ~your notion~ of up and left can't be orthogonal. of course they can be, in fact they'd better be. but the WORDS thatr denote them, can't be, at least not while staying words.
13:46 asciilifeform let's suppose the contrary. then wat.
13:47 mircea_popescu then we find it impossible to talk to strangers as the first symptom.
13:47 mircea_popescu also, we're stuck getting lucky with women, because we can't meaningfully talk to them BEFORE we actually can talk to them.
13:47 mircea_popescu and in short -- fucking up this fundament of language convicts one to solipsistic solitude.
13:47 asciilifeform supposition was re language where all of the parts are orthogonal; rather than 'every man in own solipsist hell'
13:48 mircea_popescu a language where ALL parts are orthogonal is entirely the phone book, unable to mean anything. i thought the contention was language where SOME parts are orthogonal.
13:49 mircea_popescu the only case where this happens is when there's in fact two language. such as in polygotism, or else argot-mainstream disjunctions. THERE you can have orthogonality in language.
13:49 asciilifeform where maximum practical parts orthogonal.
13:49 mircea_popescu ie, the gifter's grift is != the da's grift.
13:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah, that is always the case, with that max = 0.
13:50 mircea_popescu but yes, this provides on the side an excellent explanation in this context's terminology of why man must learn languages : it is the ONLY way to have orthogonality in natural speech.
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13:50 mircea_popescu and romanian has ESPECIALLY a problem with orthogonality (as a necessary drawback of its insane bond power), which is why and wherefore it ends up thinking all languages are just badly spelled romanian.
13:51 asciilifeform i thought they were mutilated latin lol
13:52 trinque tangentially, but I was taken aback by the beauty the moment I realized that the consonant sound in "ad" was closer to me than the one in "ab".
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13:52 mircea_popescu i think latin-gone-wild may be more on the point. sort-of like that good jewess / future balabusta of http://trilema.com/2016/black-book/ trying to get as much nazi/anything cock as possible.
13:52 trinque a wandering barbarian happens upon a temple kind of moment
13:53 mircea_popescu trinque you are actually gaining here! congrats!
13:53 mircea_popescu your studies are actually delivering.
13:53 asciilifeform asciilifeform has been on a ro kick lately and continuously lols over germanicisms/slavicisms/etc
13:53 trinque slowly, keeping at it.
13:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform oya. really, vulgar latin on a "butter me up and roll me in dicks like they're nonpareils" kick.
14:05 mircea_popescu come to think of it, a fine answer to "what the fuck was elliot's problem" could correctly be "he used orthogonal language".
14:05 mircea_popescu it wouldn't mean anything to elliot himself, or to the blonde girls that "didn't give him a chance", but it'd nevertheless be a perfectly correct description of the situation they found themselves in, unwillingly the lot.
14:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suspect that we dun have same def of the word
14:06 mircea_popescu let's have it ?
14:06 asciilifeform what asciilifeform refers to as 'nonorthogonal', is seen in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588406 thread
14:06 a111 Logged on 2016-12-22 17:45 asciilifeform: phf: pray tell : what does having 'elt' AND 'nth' around, facilitate ?
14:06 mircea_popescu "two items are orthogonal if either can stand without the other".
14:06 asciilifeform ( re mechanical langs, but same concept there )
14:07 mircea_popescu i much prefer this categorical expression of the notion to the copacetic "statistically independent variates" approach.
14:11 mircea_popescu now, forcing a point : if complex numbers are notated as a + bi, then it is a correct approach to describe a sum as x (= a + a') + y (=b + b') i rather than x' (= q + p i + r + t i) + y' (=q' + p' i + r' + t' i). the former notation would be a normatively correctly stated theorem (elements are orthogonal) whereas the latter would, while still equivalent, nevertheless be normatively incorrect (it mixes up the lemmas!).
14:12 mircea_popescu and same throughout all math : everything must be orthogonal, at all times, all the time.
14:13 mircea_popescu you could make soup out of a bag in which there's peas mixed with carrots in some proportion, and another bag in which there's pasta and some chicken, and a third bag where there's more chicken and some celery. it'd still come out soup. nevertheless, the CORRECT way to make soup, arbitrarily, is by using a bag in which there's peas and nothing else ; and a different bag in which there's chicken and nothing else, and so follow
14:13 mircea_popescu ing.
14:14 mircea_popescu there's no good reason for this, other than our being white men, which is to say the source of intellectual anyhing in this world.
14:14 asciilifeform 'at all times' never happens in practice ( consider how maxwell's equations went from 20+ to 4 )
14:14 mircea_popescu but -- language doesn't work this way. the reason the bags aka words are useful AT ALL is that there's a little of each and every other bag in each and every single bag.
14:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the ideal stays the ideal.
14:14 asciilifeform sure does
14:15 mircea_popescu the important point being -- that it's an ideal for math, and therefore programming, which includes cooking. NOT of language.
14:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711284 << "abject" but "adjunct". it even keeps right on giving, see.
14:19 a111 Logged on 2017-09-07 17:52 trinque: tangentially, but I was taken aback by the beauty the moment I realized that the consonant sound in "ad" was closer to me than the one in "ab".
14:21 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-28#1254224 << even older thread where asciilifeform gives example of what means by 'orthogonality' )
14:21 a111 Logged on 2015-08-28 03:24 asciilifeform: trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality'
14:22 mircea_popescu in those terms : do you understand that the difference between computer language and human language is that the correctness of expression (shortest, complete form) can be proven in the former, and can never be considered in the latter ?
14:23 mircea_popescu all math things have a closed form, whether we know it or not.
14:23 mircea_popescu no language thing does, or could.
14:25 mircea_popescu (for the doubting student : prove that "for sale: baby shoes, never worn." is the shortest english novel.)
14:26 asciilifeform y'cant prove statements with unbounds
14:27 mircea_popescu orly. lol.
14:30 mircea_popescu (fwiw, my estimation of hemigway is more driven by the above snippet than by whatever nonsense half-ass anti-cunt tracts he penned. really, some woman fucked her husband's hunter trainer, o woes ? pish.)
14:30 * asciilifeform not a fan
14:30 asciilifeform afaik only perma-notable thing hemingway did, was to breed the polydactyl cat
14:30 mircea_popescu there's not so much to choose from in the colonies. if you throw him out what's left.
14:30 asciilifeform beast can turn door knobs.
14:30 mod6 wat
14:31 mircea_popescu sup mod6
14:31 mod6 hai
14:31 mod6 great books from the man imho
14:33 mircea_popescu certainly not many english writers can hold a candle to him, that much is out of contention.
14:34 * mircea_popescu also appreciates the terseness as a stylistical choice. in english, it is at worst a forced mistake, by the medium, and in general a good idea.
14:36 mircea_popescu anyway, in this context galois theory is chiefly preoccupied with distinguishing math-language from math-proper.
14:41 mircea_popescu (quick likbez : evariste galois among a whole school of northern french/swiss 19th century mathematicians wished to know why there's 5th degree polynomials which don't admit closed form expression. this seemed, and still seems, intuitively impermissible in some sense. the proof of the abel-rufini theorem might be interesting here. nevertheless, other than the practical use of bridging field and group theory, allowing some inc
14:41 mircea_popescu onveniently-abstract items to be represented in more intuitively approachable forms, the principal point of modern galois theory is to prove that certain fields admit no closed-form solution, and in a very narrow sense are not properly speaking math. or rather -- that our current notations share aspects of roman numerals most visible in those particular points.)
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15:04 shinohai Re: Hemingway .... "The Old Man and the Sea" and "For Whom the Bell Tolls" are two of my favourite books, coincidentally
15:04 shinohai (Old Man and Sea being, for all practical purposes, a "short story")
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15:21 mod6 Didja like "A Farewell to Arms" ?
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15:49 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
15:49 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4615.43, vol: 9500.40791875 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4612.0, vol: 24911.09931398 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4394.7, vol: 11206.42720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4669.9, vol: 3831.01657194 | Volume-weighted last average: 4567.89887495
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17:12 ben_vulpes equifax hacked; w2's and more exfiltrated. pins were last 4 of ssn.
17:12 mod6 lol
17:13 BingoBoingo lulzy
17:13 ben_vulpes but hey, everyone gets free credit monitoring for another year now?
17:14 BingoBoingo Now I guess this is Again
17:15 ben_vulpes some folks have got to be up to 10 years at this point
17:16 asciilifeform Run Moar Winblowz; Keep Moar Centralized Dossiers On Serfs
17:16 asciilifeform Grant Moar Konsoomer Credit To Anyone Who Knows PostageAddr and Slavenumber
17:17 ben_vulpes hey, adp's monthly numbers unquestionably higher quality than bls 'nfp'; gotta prop the analytics pipeline
17:17 ben_vulpes at least until 'the real numbers' start to suck
17:17 asciilifeform ( does anybody else find it interesting that a mortgage in usa is issued with simple paper application, not involving, e.g., vials of dna sample given in front of seven witnesses etc )
17:18 ben_vulpes not in the slightest; it's just as stupid as the rest of the system. why expect brilliance in any one part?
17:20 mats https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61
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17:24 BingoBoingo From deep in the lulzmines: "The Man-Not is a theoretical starting point that tries to capture the history of black males being killed, mutilated and raped beyond simply saying it is racism that causes this violence … History has shown black males are eroticized in an anti-black world. Their genitalia has been imagined to be at odds with the endogamy of the white races of America and Europe, so our attempts to study black males must ta
17:24 BingoBoingo ke into account this specific sexual targeting, be it phobic as in the case of the rapist or philic insofar as black males are imagined to be sexually insatiable. This is what black male studies scholars mean by anti-black or racist misandry, or the cumulative assertions of black male inferiority due to errant psychologies of lack, dispositions of deviance or hyperpersonality traits (e.g., hypersexuality, hypermasculinity, etc.), which r
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17:24 BingoBoingo ationalize the criminalization, phobias and sanctioning of black male life."
17:33 BingoBoingo !!up fromloper
17:33 deedbot fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
17:33 ben_vulpes i see you racist misandry and raise you a racist sandwich: "Applying critical analysis to food is essential to understanding and framing 'big picture' ideas about white supremacist capitalist heteropatriarchy."
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17:34 BingoBoingo Quiero un empardedado enorme
17:34 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Where did you find that?
17:35 fromloper Why hasn't this happened to bcrash yet? http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-73.3-79.82
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17:35 ben_vulpes https://affectconf.com/schedule/#juan
17:36 ben_vulpes featuring other gems eg 'Affect ("effect") ..."
17:36 ben_vulpes fromloper: did you read the http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-23#188431 thread?
17:36 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2017-08-23 16:58 BingoBoingo: Even with BCH's "Emergency difficulty adjustment" (allegedly drops difficulty after X time without a block found)
17:37 shinohai fromloper: It has iirc .... but there was some sort of "Emergency Difficulty adjustment" they implemented.
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17:37 fromloper ben_vulpes no, but I certainly will - thanks!
17:37 BingoBoingo fromloper: It is exactly experiencing the Altcoin woes
17:38 fromloper but in terms of a hashpower attack?
17:38 BingoBoingo Yes
17:39 ben_vulpes fromloper: it's allllll in the logs
17:39 fromloper ben_vulpes I remember having read em now - got it!
17:40 fromloper their difficulty adjustment algo just means the attack oscillates
17:41 BingoBoingo And it's very disruptive, and very cutting to those propping up the bcrash scam
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17:42 fromloper looks like it's way past time to fire up one of these scam nodes and sell the stuff
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17:59 ben_vulpes http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/eu-court-rejects-refugee-quota-challenge-hungary-slovakia/ "Politics has raped European law and values"
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17:59 ben_vulpes those bussed refugees are going to receive just the most cordial welcome in the ethnically homogeneous states that didn't want them in the first place, i bet
18:01 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711352 <<< This is lulzy "What would this procedure be like without the WebUSB API? .... Scary OS prompts popup and warn you about installing drivers/applications from the Internet."
18:01 a111 Logged on 2017-09-07 21:20 mats: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61
18:02 BingoBoingo Here's a rather big lol from the wikipedos, on their page for Al Sharpton's social engineering firm: "In 2011, Walgreens announced they would be ending their relationship with Express Scripts, a prescription drug program serving mostly poor individuals that gave them discounted prescriptions.[9] This would have resulted in low-income individuals paying up to 30 percent more for their prescriptions. A coalition of minority groups, led by
18:02 BingoBoingo Reverend Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, sent letters urging Gregory Wasson, CEO of Walgreens, to reconsider. Groups sending letters were National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, the Congress of Racial Equality, Hispanic Leadership Fund, and others." https://archive.is/MrxS1
18:02 BingoBoingo Meanwhile from the wikipedos on what Express Scripts is: "Express Scripts Holding Company is an American Fortune 100 company. As of 2017, the company is the 22nd-largest in the United States as well as the largest pharmacy benefit management (PBM) organization in the United States.[1] Express Scripts had 2016 revenues of $100.752 billion.[1]" https://archive.is/LoSSk#selection-363.0-383.3
18:03 BingoBoingo Why not just call Sharpton's blackmail scam what it is?
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18:14 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuits-attempt-marginalizing-senate-candidate-kid-rock-in-home-town/ << Qntra - Pantsuit's Attempt Marginalizing Senate Candidate Kid Rock In Home Town
18:17 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UPP3l/?raw=true
18:17 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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18:43 BingoBoingo ty shinohai
18:46 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-serf-recorder-equifax-hacked/ << Qntra - US Serf Recorder Equifax Hacked
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19:28 mircea_popescu awww!
19:35 mod6 haha Serf Recorder
19:45 mod6 how's it goin this evening?
19:49 ben_vulpes shinohai: http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-serf-recorder-equifax-hacked/#comment-109294
19:49 shinohai Oh shit ben_vulpes .... nice find
19:50 mod6 lol indeed
20:03 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy.
20:03 mircea_popescu o look, FIRST!
20:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711354 << philic my left foot. sexual mutilation is nature's own acceptable-substitute-for-murder. females of most sexuate species engage indulge in response to presentation of subpar males.
20:06 a111 Logged on 2017-09-07 21:24 BingoBoingo: ke into account this specific sexual targeting, be it phobic as in the case of the rapist or philic insofar as black males are imagined to be sexually insatiable. This is what black male studies scholars mean by anti-black or racist misandry, or the cumulative assertions of black male inferiority due to errant psychologies of lack, dispositions of deviance or hyperpersonality traits (e.g., hypersexuality, hypermasculinity, etc.), which r
20:06 mircea_popescu black doods simply manage to count as subpar for a larger percent of females than whites.
20:08 mircea_popescu whether she conceptualizes this sexual mutilation as "i hate the man and so i bit off his penis" or "i rly LUV!!1 the man so much i... cut off his penis" is irrelevant. yes the latter is the sort of perversion (in proper terms, cognitive dissonance) "civilised" individuals tend to come up with to explain their own choices to themselves. nevertheless, a cut is a cut, it has no philic component.,
20:08 shinohai http://archive.is/6uXGv <<< "having sent nude pictures of herself to him which we can only assume were taken in landscape mode"
20:09 shinohai kek
20:09 mircea_popescu ahahaha
20:09 mircea_popescu now that's a sick burn.
20:17 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: "Pantsuit's" -> "Pantsuits" in title of kid rock piece
20:17 ben_vulpes otherwise it reads that their attempt /is/ marginalizing kid rock which omfg fake news
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20:33 * mircea_popescu is trying to remember who this kid rock is.
20:34 mod6 he's the red-neck rocker guy from detroit
20:35 mircea_popescu oh i see, that one!
20:35 mod6 lol
20:35 ben_vulpes as distinct from the white trash rapper
20:35 mircea_popescu meanwhile in human centipede news : spreading -- works! http://68.media.tumblr.com/489ad94e650a752543ea08b1858ec640/tumblr_nse71gpgnN1ux7yk7o1_500.gif
20:35 whaack 'murica pop star http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/
20:36 mircea_popescu oh i see
20:36 mod6 gifs, i like
20:37 ben_vulpes fictional ethnic subgroup and fictional entertainment genres aside, indistinguishable
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21:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711352 << implemented over systemd's 'kernel dbus' nodoubt.
21:31 a111 Logged on 2017-09-07 21:20 mats: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61
21:43 trinque http://archive.is/yMXe0 << while we're doing these, tls in the linux kernel why not
21:43 asciilifeform lol!
21:56 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> otherwise it reads that their attempt /is/ marginalizing kid rock which omfg fake news << AHA, ty
21:58 BingoBoingo OMG that is an adorable trianglepede
22:02 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> fictional ethnic subgroup and fictional entertainment genres aside, indistinguishable << Very distinguishable. Kid Rock is all in on The Great Again. Albino rapper with cretinism is wholly owned by pantsuit https://archive.is/NccET
22:03 BingoBoingo http://www.thedailybeast.com/eminems-anti-trump-freestyle-is-as-flaccid-as-trumps-campaign << if archive.is crashes
22:05 BingoBoingo lol, October 19th, 2016: "Do you remember the first time you thought Donald Trump’s presidential campaign had hit rock bottom? By now, we’ve learned that there’s no depth that Donald Trump and his team won’t sink to. And today, like most days, marks a new low. Because when Eminem thinks that your presidential campaign is in poor taste, you know that you’ve reached a historically unprecedented political nadir."
22:06 mircea_popescu hurr.
22:07 mircea_popescu really, fat chick with no marketable skills is gonna sit on a pile of empty takeout wrappers and "score" things ? because anybody totally gives a shit how $nobody evaluates $item, according to $nobody at least ?
22:07 mircea_popescu go right ahead and claim "historically unprecedented nadir" every time dude farts, what is it going to do ? he's still not grabbing your cunt, and that because HE DOESN"T WANT TO.
22:11 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/610182B68C339222E12F58F880A4E9D126248872893144AF7A940D3829034C52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1721...2167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.65.196.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.65.196.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (80-65-196-165.ljusnet.se. SE)
22:11 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/610182B68C339222E12F58F880A4E9D126248872893144AF7A940D3829034C52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.65.196.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.65.196.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (80-65-196-165.ljusnet.se. SE)
22:12 asciilifeform http://80.65.196.165 alive btw
22:12 asciilifeform swedish Хрущёвка builder
22:13 asciilifeform ( http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A5%D1%80%D1%83%D1%89%D1%91%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0 << likbez for the innocent )
22:15 mircea_popescu and in other university educations, http://68.media.tumblr.com/feeb27589f7f952744002f25deb38daa/tumblr_mucmrhdkfl1st9m0oo1_400.gif
22:27 BingoBoingo "I bet vampires don't get grounded. Vampires get to do what they want." - Butters Stotch
22:28 mircea_popescu may have to spell that vampyre for the magic to kick in though.
22:30 BingoBoingo seriousky
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22:50 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/09/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-up-3-9-to-new-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Up ~3.9% To New All Time High
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23:42 ben_vulpes lolk BingoBoingo retracted
23:45 ben_vulpes PeterL: cool stuff! refreshing my memory on keccak tonight
23:46 asciilifeform 'how much wood would a keccak ccak ...'
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