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00:09 asciilifeform http://38.media.tumblr.com/8549e983b82f586a7b5211530c13aa25/tumblr_mw2l1tYpSl1ra163eo7_250.gif << arse-mouth system (tm) !!
00:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ESkJc2 )
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01:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20210 @ 0.00040984 = 8.2829 BTC [-] {2}
01:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3369 @ 0.00040926 = 1.3788 BTC [-]
01:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55249 @ 0.00040721 = 22.4979 BTC [-] {2}
01:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36765 @ 0.00041151 = 15.1292 BTC [+] {2}
01:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37989 @ 0.00040663 = 15.4475 BTC [-]
01:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16183 @ 0.00040612 = 6.5722 BTC [-] {2}
01:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91241 @ 0.00040372 = 36.8358 BTC [-]
01:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234259 @ 0.00040369 = 94.568 BTC [-] {2}
01:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68244 @ 0.0003993 = 27.2498 BTC [-] {3}
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02:10 thestringpuller ;;market buy 100000
02:10 gribble Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 12464.151 bitcoins, for a total of 5694585.6424 USD and take the price to 99999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0216 seconds
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03:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44933 @ 0.00039836 = 17.8995 BTC [-] {2}
03:18 pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla let's see if this works for qntra submission: https://dpaste.de/8vo7/raw
03:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3rju )
03:18 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:18 pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo samesies: https://dpaste.de/8vo7/raw
03:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3snL )
03:18 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:28 kakobrekla !rate assbot 1 test
03:28 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/76d080d7695378d3
03:28 kakobrekla seems to work?
03:31 cazalla ;;later tell pete_dushenski works fine!
03:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:32 cazalla ;;later tell mircea_popescu Bitcoin is not your toy, OK! http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-11703
03:32 assbot The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB5vIe )
03:32 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00039485 = 13.0893 BTC [-] {2}
03:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64582 @ 0.00039383 = 25.4343 BTC [-]
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04:22 BingoBoingo That was some good sleep
04:23 cazalla http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/25/citing-stigma-the-university-of-minnesota-removes-race-descriptions-in-crime-alerts/
04:23 assbot U. Of Minnesota Removes Race Descriptions In Crime Alerts | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1Auy9eD )
04:23 cazalla BingoBoingo, how many hours?
04:23 BingoBoingo cazalla: A solid 9-10
04:24 BingoBoingo lots of vivid, memorable REM phases
04:24 cazalla ah, the life of a qntra writer/bachelor!
04:24 cazalla i've had 2 nights straight of dreams where people get hit by trains
04:30 BingoBoingo There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
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04:30 cazalla i love those ones
04:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: thank you for nominating me to tae Patraeus's chair at central Intelligence
04:33 BingoBoingo I'd basically be doing what, loading trucks with office supplies and busses headed to the Uranium mines?
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04:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00039383 = 20.2232 BTC [-]
04:55 kakobrekla http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aArDBM2_460sv.mp4
04:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BySkdJ )
04:58 BingoBoingo Nice one
04:59 trinque https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES << deedin'
04:59 assbot Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt7rTi )
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05:22 punkman BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies << why is maze/chase/shootout such a common theme? always comes up when discussing dreams
05:24 BingoBoingo punkman: I dunno really. In this one chase followed having fun in the maze with the girl and started when girl began throwing rocks at the police from the maze
05:28 trinque punkman: seems like they're for simulating situations that'd be riskier to learn from in the real world
05:28 trinque fucking drunks brawling outside...
05:29 trinque not a good fight either; I think the one winning is crying
05:29 BingoBoingo trinque> fucking drunks brawling outside... << It's nature, let it happen
05:29 trinque I went outside and watched a bit, but it was pitiful
05:29 trinque crack may have played a factor
05:36 BingoBoingo That might make it more pitiful
05:48 punkman trinque, last time that happened I threw bucket of water on the loudest ass
05:50 trinque mircea_popescu: hello there. https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES
05:50 assbot Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1FwwogC )
05:50 mircea_popescu cazalla you know there's a word for this, among people who shovel this particular sort of elephant shit for a living (mostly, clinical psychiatrist)
05:50 mircea_popescu not sure what it is in english, tho im sure it must exist. perhaps something like "shamanistic narrative".
05:51 mircea_popescu basically, the story the 13 yo mutters to herself under her breath to replace unwelcome reality.
05:51 mircea_popescu trinque hey. wassat ?
05:51 trinque some deedin
05:51 mircea_popescu o cool!
05:51 mircea_popescu website ?
05:51 trinque finishing the upload guy
05:51 trinque deedbot.org is where it will be shortly
05:51 mircea_popescu coolness.
05:52 mircea_popescu brb writing some about when i was young.
05:52 trinque this experience will have me lobbying harder for sqlite in the foundation's client in the future
05:52 trinque mircea_popescu: k
05:55 * BingoBoingo thinks key/value store in "bitcoind -base" prolly fine fancier databases prolly belong in "bitcoind -bchainindexer" when the functionality gets atomized, but take opinion here with hefty pile of salt
05:56 trinque BingoBoingo: it's worth thinking about for a long time, for sure
05:57 trinque though if the goal is a perfect client, I think a real database offers helpful tools
05:58 trinque perfect meaning the data is *never* munged
06:03 trinque getting utxos, right? that's left-join-where-null between the outputs table and the inputs table
06:04 trinque seems like what you want is something where you can express the logic of bitcoin clearly, look at it, and say yup, that is bitcoin
06:07 punkman sqlite would be an order of magnitude more reliable than bdb/leveldb
06:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16970 @ 0.00042097 = 7.1439 BTC [+] {2}
06:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14278 @ 0.00042119 = 6.0138 BTC [+]
06:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9302 @ 0.00042444 = 3.9481 BTC [+] {2}
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06:57 mircea_popescu digging through trilema (fuck it, i can't find an article hot damn) i found a 2011 pick-up guide. http://trilema.com/2011/cum-ne-imprietenim-heterosexual/
06:57 assbot Cum ne imprietenim heterosexual pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vBB9Wa )
06:58 mircea_popescu it's pretty great.
07:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00040266 = 8.8787 BTC [-]
07:04 danielpbarron height=229694 vs height=193386
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00040266 = 11.7174 BTC [-]
07:07 jurov asciilifeform, it was actually accepted and distributed but not archived :/
07:10 jurov no actually it is: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html
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07:40 trinque http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds
07:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ3pe0 )
07:40 trinque at least test ones
07:40 trinque everything works; tomorrow I'll go over the thing looking for derps, then park it in here for actual use
07:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20377 @ 0.00039899 = 8.1302 BTC [-] {2}
07:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36166 @ 0.00039299 = 14.2129 BTC [-]
07:54 mats "The combined effect of those separation costs and the hit from the strong dollar will almost halve HP's free cash flow this fiscal year to about $3.5 billion to $4 billion, down from three months ago when it forecast $6.5 billion to $7 billion."
07:54 mats yowch
08:00 thestringpuller they still make a good printer
08:01 thestringpuller jurov: i can't get to that page. "page not available"
08:01 thestringpuller !up nubbins` hello there good sir
08:01 nubbins` ty
08:01 nubbins` assbot otp down
08:02 nubbins` hp may make a good printer, but epson makes a better one
08:02 nubbins` for that matter, Brother laser machines are pretty sweet too
08:06 kakobrekla !rate assbot 1 test
08:06 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c
08:06 kakobrekla works here ?
08:07 kakobrekla anyone cant see that url ?
08:09 trinque kakobrekla: works
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08:25 jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html damn i meant this thestringpuller
08:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzQvwZ )
08:26 jurov and http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c says "Bad request, could not find the requested OTP."
08:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzQKIy )
08:29 danielpbarron it expired, probably
08:29 danielpbarron it worked for me 25 minutes ago
08:41 BingoBoingo !up nubbins`
08:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91150 @ 0.00040397 = 36.8219 BTC [+]
09:03 chetty http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/18/modern-world-bad-for-brain-daniel-j-levitin-organized-mind-information-overload
09:03 assbot Why the modern world is bad for your brain | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLQAPB )
09:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00039732 = 12.3169 BTC [-]
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09:46 lobbes "Now more people have mobile phones than have toilets. This has created an implicit expectation that you should be able to reach someone when it is convenient for you, regardless of whether it is convenient for them. This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say, “I’m sorry, I can’t talk now, I’m in a meeting.” Just a decade or two ago, those same people would h
09:46 lobbes ave let a landline on their desk go unanswered during a meeting, so different were the expectations for reachability." << Heh, I've seen people do this.. still strikes me as rude
10:00 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
10:00 BingoBoingo !up PeterL
10:00 pete_dushenski thx bb!
10:01 pete_dushenski scoopbot -fetch
10:05 pete_dushenski “a politician who stays poor is poor at politics.” -hank gonzalez, mexican politician
10:09 pete_dushenski scoopbot -fetch
10:09 fluffypony "a poor person who stays poor is poor at money." - fluffy pony, equine
10:10 pete_dushenski "network effects anyone?! Early adopters are important people because ADOPTION!" << twitter dood derping at me about pgp adoption
10:10 pete_dushenski "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al.
10:10 pete_dushenski fluffypony lol
10:10 fluffypony we should put pgp in the blockchain
10:11 fluffypony GPGChain
10:11 fluffypony powered by GPGCoin
10:13 pete_dushenski if only this were still 2013, y'know we might have a shot at fleecing some kids with that
10:13 lobbes hell, you probably still can on scamcointalk
10:14 fluffypony lol
10:14 pete_dushenski i would be... impressed if that were still so
10:14 fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afl9WFGJE0M
10:14 assbot V for Varoufakis | NEO MAGAZIN ROYALE mit Jan Böhmermann - ZDFneo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxEAgy )
10:23 pete_dushenski scoopbot: and don't come back until you sort out your differences with contravex!
10:27 nubbins` re: phones and expectations
10:27 nubbins` there's a really, really easy solution to this
10:27 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: still can't get scoopbot to announce contravex articles?
10:27 nubbins` turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.
10:28 nubbins` suddenly, it doesn't run your life anymore
10:28 pete_dushenski thestringpuller still.
10:28 PeterL I figured out that python doesn't seem to like some of contravex's titles
10:28 pete_dushenski nubbins` lol i thought you were talking about the tracking device part for a sec
10:28 nubbins` heh nah
10:28 pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/
10:28 assbot Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxJ46X )
10:29 nubbins` nothing says "i'm an annoying piece of shit" than an audible call/text noise
10:29 chetty <nubbins`> turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.// most people just cant do that, already addicted
10:29 PeterL but scoopbot was not looking at the titles, so I am kinda at a loss as to why it doesn't like contravex
10:29 thestringpuller nubbins`: i do this with texts. No vibration no sound. Have to put it on ring profile for them to make a noise. But usually you start to check messages when you feel like it rather than compulsively.
10:29 pete_dushenski ^i'm even reduced to scooping for qntra now.
10:29 thestringpuller chetty: information addiction is treatable tho
10:29 nubbins` chetty most people don't *want* to
10:29 chetty nubbins`, +++
10:30 pete_dushenski it's the lowest calorie addiciton going
10:30 nubbins` they're secretly pleased every time their phone dings in the presence of others
10:30 pete_dushenski you can't see your brain turning into a fat, slothful mess
10:30 nubbins` thestringpuller the "down side" is that for the first few weeks, people get snarky with you
10:30 nubbins` but after a few "yeah, i leave it on silent"s
10:30 nubbins` they adjust their expectations
10:30 nubbins` !up pete_dushenski PeterL
10:30 nubbins` !up PeterL
10:30 pete_dushenski ty
10:31 thestringpuller nubbins`: i find those who get snarky are the most addicted.
10:31 nubbins` "didn't you see my texts?!?!?!?! i texted you 8 times!!!!!"
10:31 nubbins` y'know, just in case the first 7 "ding!!!!"s were missed
10:32 thestringpuller nubbins`: one symptom of information addiction is "forgets to callback". People who check their phone compulsively will see a text or missed call and make note in working memory to get back with the person.
10:32 nubbins` and never do
10:32 chetty <<< power out day before yesterday, discovered I forgot to charge my phone, for oh about 2 weeks :)
10:32 nubbins` until they see em at the bar two weeks later
10:32 nubbins` "oh, dude, right"
10:32 nubbins` chetty :D
10:32 mircea_popescu <trinque> http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ?
10:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxKnTa )
10:33 thestringpuller nubbins`: yes. very similar to symptoms of ADHD.
10:33 nubbins` we have no landline, so i try not to leave mine dead for more than a few hours at a time
10:33 nubbins` !up soypirate
10:34 nubbins` hola, pirate
10:34 nubbins` soy nubbins
10:34 chetty nubbins`, yeah got to admit I was a little annoyed with myself, no landline here either so no phone charged was kinda dumb
10:34 mircea_popescu This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say << maybe what has really changed is the expectation re meetings. just a decade or two ago, people would have expected meetings to serve a rational purpose and end with a result.
10:34 mircea_popescu neither is the case today, people just hang around.
10:34 nubbins` (incidentally, why does all the milk in the organic section loudly proclaim "I'M MILK!" in spanish?
10:35 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: this is very precise.
10:35 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski> "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al. << orphans seeking adoption. nothing wrong with the picture.
10:35 nubbins` mircea_popescu i recall at one office job, my boss' boss' boss was getting a promotion, and so called all 120 programmers into a boardroom, 30 at a time, to explain about his new responsibilities but nothing will change for the rest of us
10:35 mircea_popescu right /
10:35 nubbins` guy stole 120 hours on the company. a month's work. when an email woulda done
10:35 nubbins` this is what meetings are
10:35 mircea_popescu so why wouldn't you answer the phone. it's more like a boring highschool class than a meeting.
10:36 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: people just hang around << i find this is because people lack focus during the meeting. You stay on topic until someone mentions something off topic. "Blah blah blha pink floyd" "Oh you like pink floyd?" 30 minutes later you realize you're still talking about a 70's rock band and not about that thing you're supposed to be meeting about.
10:36 mircea_popescu no he was being proactive and communicaty or whatchamacallit.
10:36 nubbins` yeah
10:36 nubbins` doing his due diligence on a go-forward basis
10:36 mircea_popescu thestringpuller lack of focus lack of schmokus. it's because they're impotent. they know they're impotent.
10:36 mircea_popescu what else to do ?
10:37 nubbins` mind you, this was the head of IT
10:37 nubbins` "how do i get my sound turned on?" head of IT
10:37 * nubbins` shudders at memory
10:37 nubbins` incidentally, last monday was my 2-year anniversary of retirement
10:38 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what else to do ? << learn to concentrate better instead of being a fucking child?
10:38 nubbins` folks: "any regrets?" me: "not doing it sooner"
10:38 PeterL get better co-workers?
10:41 mircea_popescu nubbins` turned on as in, sexually ?
10:42 nubbins` turned on, as in i wanna hear the angry birds smash the pigs
10:43 nubbins` it was at this job that i realized just because you work as a computer programmer, doesn't mean you know even the basics of what computers are and how they work
10:44 nubbins` "right-click and copy that" "what?"
10:44 nubbins` "o.O"
10:46 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/gpg-criticism-reaches-new-low-as-use-cases-expand/
10:46 assbot GPG Criticism Reaches New Low As Use Cases Expand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQExCW )
10:46 chetty being clueless about the actual tech is what gets you the promotion
10:47 pete_dushenski nice write-up BingoBoingo !
10:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137950 @ 0.000404 = 55.7318 BTC [+] {3}
10:52 nubbins` chetty plenty of amoebas floating around in the upper levels
10:52 pete_dushenski "The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service (Fiscal Service) today announced that Pay.gov, the government’s secure web based collection portal for payments to federal agencies, now offers both PayPal and Dwolla as payment options." << from a few days ago.
10:52 nubbins` once an incompetent worker reaches a certain longevity, their dismissal is tacit admittance that they've been fooling everyone all along
10:52 nubbins` so rather than facing "yep, we've let this dead weight collect a cheque for 15 years"
10:53 pete_dushenski ^"please don't use cash for anything ever because only bad people use cash"
10:53 nubbins` they just give 'em a different job in another department
10:54 nubbins` which, if it didn't accompany a pay raise, would engender the same line of questioning as a dismissal
10:54 mircea_popescu nubbins` pretty much has it.
10:54 nubbins` eventually they learn their way around enough that latecomers can easily be fooled into thinking that the variety speak is representative of skill, not imitation
10:55 nubbins` "who, alex? he's been here longer than i have! knows the place inside out!"
10:55 nubbins` but all of alex's projects are always fucked up and late
10:56 nubbins` usually due to "external factors" or "changing requirements"
10:57 mircea_popescu the problem essentially is that specialist groups do need a variety talk, however "politeness" combined with that results into a lot of nooks and crannies where alex can hide.
10:57 nubbins` absolutely
10:57 mircea_popescu it's not coincidental that all successful specialist groups are irreverent.
10:57 nubbins` when a large, once-profitable company suddenly goes belly-up or massively scales back, you can expect to find a high percentage of alexes on the payroll
10:58 mircea_popescu you can also expect to find the last time someone made fart jokes publicly @ the expense of people present buried under at least a decade of history.
10:58 nubbins` bahahahaha.
11:01 nubbins` incidentally, you could go on a meaty tangent about public employees right about here
11:01 nubbins` i'm gonna abstain
11:02 mircea_popescu lol wut ? abstinence only sex ed ?
11:02 thestringpuller !up pete_dushenski
11:03 pete_dushenski ty!
11:05 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
11:05 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.89, Best ask: 236.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 236.99, 24 hour volume: 5556.79789999, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 239.31, 24 hour vwap: 236.80126748
11:05 nubbins` mp ok i'm gonna pull out, then
11:05 nubbins` how bout that?
11:06 mircea_popescu !up ga
11:06 mircea_popescu nubbins` lol winner.
11:07 nubbins` :D
11:09 lobbes re: meetings << Even when they are on-topic, they are rarely organized. I've actually overheard someone in a phone meeting: "we're having a lack of communication about x, I think we should have a meeting on it"
11:15 Bet placed: 11 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 6(Y):94(N) by weight. Total bet: 36.4954 BTC. Current weight: 66,312.
11:16 lobbes pete_dushenski: yeah, I received an email from Dwolla the other day about them partnering with usg.. made me happy I never did any transactions with them.
11:17 pete_dushenski ya whatever happened to dwolla anyways ?
11:17 pete_dushenski vis-a-vis bitcoin...
11:18 lobbes good question
11:18 pete_dushenski were they just a mt gox thing ?
11:19 mike_c they were briefly the best way to get usd to mt gox, i don't think they've done anything since.
11:22 mircea_popescu the usdwolla thing is not news in any sense anyway.
11:30 danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt << if anyone wants to make an "adult" pogo, i have some instructions documented here
11:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWH0qn )
11:31 asciilifeform danielpbarron: neato. could use some asciiart
11:32 danielpbarron what kind? you mean diagrams? or just a fancy header?
11:32 asciilifeform diagram
11:33 danielpbarron hrm.. i'll see what i can come up with (warning, might be ugly!)
11:33 danielpbarron in the meantime i reference .jpeg images of the most important things to see
11:33 asciilifeform emacs 'artist-mode' helps
11:34 asciilifeform jurov: any idea why turdatron hiccupped the way it did? curious thing
11:35 asciilifeform and yes, it seems to show now, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html
11:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWHDjK )
11:36 mircea_popescu When I say, "Read the source," I mean, read Satoshi.
11:37 mircea_popescu ahahaha epic,
11:37 asciilifeform waiwat
11:37 danielpbarron I have never seen, let alone used, emacs
11:37 asciilifeform danielpbarron: fortunately, should you wish to see emacs, there is no need to cross the equator and make your way through the jaguars to the ocelots
11:38 danielpbarron :D
11:40 asciilifeform 'I've never sailed the Amazon, / And I've never reached Brazil; / But the Don and Magdelana, / They can go there when they will!'
11:49 BingoBoingo http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2015/02/check-out-stantons-helmet.html
11:49 assbot Check Out Stanton's Strange New Helmet | Fish Bytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWJlla )
11:58 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/26/the-slaughtering-of-a-bull/
11:58 assbot The slaughtering of a bull. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWKwB4 )
11:58 pete_dushenski ^so much for my 'free health club membership'
11:59 pete_dushenski dat waterfall played spoiler on my bullish cockiness
12:02 trinque +mircea_popescu | <trinque> http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ? << test values; I published bundles with the same messages a few times while working
12:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/17BiWNl )
12:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00039696 = 22.4282 BTC [-]
12:02 trinque I'll clear out what's currently uploaded when I have deedbot join
12:02 * trinque goes back to sleep
12:03 pete_dushenski danielpbarron nice work on the adult pogo guide!
12:04 * pete_dushenski wonders if he'll ever be an adult by this measure
12:04 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Congrats on setting yourself up to meet "Artist Mode"
12:04 pete_dushenski random lady on twitter: "Pete I had money taken out of my bitcoin wallet (block chain) on 2014-09-16 Can you tell me where to go for help?"
12:05 pete_dushenski me: "Help? What help? This is Bitcoin."
12:07 mike_c pete_dushenski: kudos for posting the follow up on that :)
12:08 mike_c I was wondering how that ended up.
12:09 * BingoBoingo was expecting it last month, Waterfall wasn't as strong as my gut feared.
12:09 mike_c omg that dilbert cartoon :D where's my favorite TA when i need him
12:09 mike_c ;;seen thickasthieves
12:09 gribble thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
12:10 mike_c "you should buy a stock whenver the chart looks like a squirrel sitting on a clown's shoulder"
12:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00039696 = 11.0029 BTC [-]
12:13 pete_dushenski mike_c lol my pleasure :D
12:14 pete_dushenski dilbert's been on a roll with this pointy-haired investment advice series
12:19 mats http://www.monbiot.com/2011/10/31/wealth-destroyers
12:19 assbot Wealth Destroyers | George Monbiot ... ( http://bit.ly/17Bkua1 )
12:21 pete_dushenski where have i seen monbiot's name before ?
12:21 pete_dushenski !s monbiot
12:21 assbot 0 results for 'monbiot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monbiot
12:21 mats do you read the guardian often?
12:21 mats http://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2015/jan/23/community-energy-companies-big-six-big-society
12:21 assbot With this attack on community energy the 'big six' win out over big society | George Monbiot | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWNrK9 )
12:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70900 @ 0.00039653 = 28.114 BTC [-] {2}
12:23 mats http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/03/rich-landowners-farmers-welfare-nfu-defra another good one
12:23 assbot The welfare dependants the government loves? Rich landowners | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWNF41 )
12:25 thestringpuller so i'm on an All Hands call for the marketing department
12:26 thestringpuller if I was plaiyng the "take a shot when buzzword is used" drinking game
12:26 thestringpuller i'd be drunk by now
12:26 fluffypony cloud!
12:27 lobbes 'x as a service'
12:28 mircea_popescu that cap agricultural benefits thing is uniquely misguided.
12:29 mircea_popescu "rich" does not mean what the poor imagine it means. the notion of running a farm on 26k subsidies a year... heh.
12:30 mircea_popescu here's the thing : just because inflation has made every pauper think he holds money doesn't change the fact that a farmer today is worth a hundred million just by simply maintaining equality with a farmer of relatively the same social importance back in 1615.
12:31 BingoBoingo Or they've surrendered in some cases to being a form of sharecropper. Depends on what and where they farm as well as how daddy ran the business
12:32 mircea_popescu james smith's farm fed five hundred people in 1615. these aren't "500 out of the total pop of 5mn" for the same reason discussed in the thread about "average life expectancy"
12:32 mircea_popescu most of those 5mn picked rags in london.
12:33 mircea_popescu keeping the same *proportions* that farm's easily running deficits of millions today, for the reasons explained in http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/
12:33 assbot The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BlGKJ )
12:33 mircea_popescu if the chem lobby seriously wants to strangle the pretty farm girl, that's one thing. but framing that discussion in terms of "rich" is about as helpful as proposing beer is better than wine because it bubbles.
12:35 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw95c75g7o << obligatory
12:35 assbot Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life --- (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPii2 )
12:37 BingoBoingo http://www.themaschhoffs.com/about/who_we_are/ << Headquarts is large steel and glass building many miles from any place charitably labeled a "town" One farmer many sharecroppers http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/07/28/the-maschhoffs-buys-2-indiana-pig-farms.html
12:37 assbot Who We Are - The Maschhoffs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPAWf )
12:37 assbot The Maschhoffs buys 2 Indiana pig farms - St. Louis Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPBt3 )
12:38 pete_dushenski asciilifeform -watch stoned << lol!
12:40 thestringpuller ;;goog site:trilema.com in which you become corn
12:40 gribble Error: "goog" is not a valid command.
12:40 thestringpuller ;;google site:trilema.com in which you become corn
12:40 gribble Wikileaks - MCLXII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mclxii>; How to enter Failville pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/how-to-enter-failville>; Wikileaks - MCCLVII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mcclvii>
12:45 chetty As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.
12:45 asciilifeform chetty: link ?
12:46 chetty http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750
12:46 assbot Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle | WashingtonExaminer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWQXEg )
12:47 BingoBoingo Oh, now I'm syncing blocks from when I started sync'ing
12:48 BingoBoingo http://patriotpost.us/articles/33184
12:48 assbot ATF Aims to Ban Popular AR-15 Ammo — The Patriot Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWR7vt )
12:48 BingoBoingo "Comments period" ends March 16th
12:49 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: can't find the article which talks about kids in US being analagous to growing corn
12:49 thestringpuller circa 2013
12:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00039299 = 9.8248 BTC [-]
12:50 asciilifeform 'There is just one set of rules that are effective and widely deployed: those that enforce the destruction of the natural world. Buried in the cross-compliance regulations is a measure called GAEC 12. This insists that, to receive their money, farmers must prevent "unwanted vegetation" from growing on their land. (The rest of us call it wildlife habitat.) Even if their land is producing nothing, they must cut, graze or spray i
12:50 asciilifeform t with herbicides to get their money. Unlike soil erosion, compaction and pollution, breaches of this rule are easy to detect and enforce: if the inspectors see trees returning to the land, the subsidy can be cut off altogether.'
12:50 BingoBoingo "But M855 has well-documented shortcomings against soft targets (see Somalia, Iraq, etc.) The other common loading, M193, is more effective against soft targets. So the side effect of this ruling would be that more AR-15 owners would buy rounds that are more effective in the typical domestic shooting. The only people this rule change protects is the government, whose varmints wear Kevlar."
12:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1022476
12:53 assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 18:26:21; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap
12:54 mircea_popescu thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/
12:54 assbot In which you become grain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWRV3q )
12:54 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seems to be much like that
12:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
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12:54 thestringpuller grain not corn. thanks mircea_popescu
12:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is possible, with current tech, to recycle shells in jungle conditions, but not to produce them, or primers, or bullet adequate for modern rifle
12:55 BingoBoingo "Reloading" cases fine, powders common... engineered primers and bullets far less so
12:56 mircea_popescu the "3d printed" guns were obviously going to push towards regulation of bullets.
12:57 mircea_popescu all these kids hoping that some sort of magical "tech" is going to get them into the girl's panties were very poorly parented. apparently nobody told them any of the numerous genie stories.
12:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for some odd reason, the plumping shop 'guns' popular since '50s - didn't
12:57 mircea_popescu "you don't refine your query, numbnuts. you BECOME the genie."
12:57 BingoBoingo More mundane calibers (revolvers, mundane stuff) cast lead bullets are still fine
12:57 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not if you want to cause actual damage
12:57 mircea_popescu where's that matasareanu article...
12:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: may as well suggest arbalest
12:57 asciilifeform ^ works quite well against unadorned kevlar, one might add
12:57 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/strategii-in-lupta-antisociala/
12:57 assbot Strategii in lupta antisociala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BnXp9 )
12:58 mircea_popescu i suppose i should translate this huh..
12:58 BingoBoingo Just Kalash and stoner rifle require "cleaner" bullets.
12:58 mircea_popescu brb translating
12:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: anything that semi/auto cycles needs modern shell, to ~.1mm tolerance or so
12:59 asciilifeform that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money)
12:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Right. Also with Stoner rifle, Gas fouling is a problem with unplated bullets.
13:00 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money) << Olin Brass can has lobbyist too
13:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: gas fouling << don't build rifles that 'shit where they eat' - problem solved
13:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: as far as i understand, usg's refusal to adopt the correct solution, the gas piston, was pure nationalistic lunacy and little else
13:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, guy who came up with USG's currrent rifle prototype did so during time when USia discovered the wonders of hallucinogenics
13:03 thestringpuller ^- that was a good time
13:03 BingoBoingo Eugene Stoner was probably a stoner, if not occasional enthusiast of more interesting chemicals back then
13:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not based on ww2 'garand' ?
13:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not the M-16 Based on "AR-10" M1 Garand inspired M-14 (still in limited recycled use)
13:05 BingoBoingo Maybe Garand might have had something to do with the mouth shitting trend though.
13:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i've always wondered why internal mechanicals (trigger mechanisms, bolt, receiver) aren't chromium plated as modern (post '44 or so) barrels are
13:07 BingoBoingo "Wear Item"
13:07 jurov hi asciilifeform, if you still want dedi server for bitcoins, around ~$50 , we can do hetzner
13:08 asciilifeform and barrel isn't ?!
13:08 BingoBoingo Of course it is too. Just hard to pay contractor for parts that don't deplete frequently enough.
13:08 asciilifeform jurov: neat. i'll consider it
13:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but there is almost certainly a sound physical reason, because same was true on ru side
13:09 asciilifeform i simply don't happen to know what it is
13:09 jurov i need to know what is the priority, CPU or RAM or SSD is a must?
13:09 asciilifeform jurov: cpu, then ram, then disk (not necessarily ssd, but at least mirrored mechanical)
13:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That is a point
13:16 asciilifeform 'you need to go fuck yourself in the arsehole with a nice red hot iron dildo. I think that ought to improve your minuscule intellect.' -- from today's fan mail
13:17 kakobrekla hetzner takes bitcoin ?
13:17 jurov kakobrekla: no I take it
13:17 kakobrekla if you are converting there are cheaper options than hetzner
13:18 jurov even cheaper than their auction?
13:18 kakobrekla yup
13:18 kakobrekla example; http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-classic
13:18 assbot Dedibox® Classic 2015 - Online.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWUWR7 )
13:20 kakobrekla although cheapest ssd option , hetzner might be better
13:20 kakobrekla here is another cheap dedi http://bsnservers.com/dedicated-servers/dedicated-servers-in-europe
13:20 assbot BSNServers - Bargain dedicated servers and hosting - Dedicated Servers in Europe ... ( http://bit.ly/17Bqb7W )
13:21 asciilifeform thing is, the requirements are somewhat peculiar (minimal bandwidth, max cpu/ram, minimal disk)
13:21 kakobrekla you want ssd ?
13:21 asciilifeform not necessarily
13:21 asciilifeform phuctor is 99% cpu-bound
13:22 kakobrekla ah i thought we were talking bitcoind sync test or some such
13:22 kakobrekla anyway, i gave you the links, your call entirely
13:22 asciilifeform ty kakobrekla, jurov
13:22 asciilifeform i'll suggest it to mircea_popescu once s.nsa has revenue
13:23 kakobrekla hm
13:23 asciilifeform (presently phuctor is paid for by yours truly, pro bono)
13:23 kakobrekla if you have a really lightweight worker client i can give you some cores
13:23 asciilifeform because usd is a renewable resource
13:23 asciilifeform kakobrekla: i want the whole thing on one box because i haven't the time or inclination to play sysadmin
13:24 kakobrekla mhm
13:24 jurov these other offers have considerable slower cpu than can be auctioned in hetzner at same price
13:24 kakobrekla eh?
13:24 kakobrekla for 30 eur you get shit
13:24 kakobrekla on hetzner
13:25 jurov Intel Core i7-3770 is shit?
13:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89924 @ 0.00040552 = 36.466 BTC [+]
13:26 kakobrekla that is 31!
13:26 asciilifeform lol
13:26 * jurov rolls eyes
13:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00040808 = 21.2863 BTC [+]
13:28 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm guessing that fan didn't see your extant writings on the topic? Or perhaps wasn't a spamateur and had?
13:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: another butthurt 'clojure' user
13:28 BingoBoingo Ah, so still spamateur
13:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107182 @ 0.00039266 = 42.0861 BTC [-] {2}
13:36 jurov asciilifeform: so either that i7-3770 or Xeon E3-1245V2 with ECC RAM for 7 euros more
13:37 asciilifeform jurov: neato. hopefully this will still exist by the time it is needed
13:38 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'clojure' << lol how'd you get that level of hatred up?
13:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ancient post still magnet for emotional crud
13:39 ben_vulpes dang.
13:39 jurov asciilifeform i was thinking you want to move phuctor sooner but ok :)
13:41 asciilifeform jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense for s.nsa until revenue >0, and can't picture mircea_popescu liking the idea much either
13:41 jurov it's not very large, but i understand
13:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103353 @ 0.00039096 = 40.4069 BTC [-] {3}
13:42 asciilifeform jurov: unless i misunderstand, it is potentially unbound - tied to eu exchange rate
13:42 jurov that yes, but can be subject to agreement.
13:42 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/
13:42 assbot Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BsasQ )
13:42 mircea_popescu here we go.
13:45 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> -- from today's fan mail << what was that for lol
13:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ancient post, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42
13:45 assbot Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/17BsojP )
13:45 asciilifeform continues to stimulate the easily-stimulated, etc
13:45 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense << fiddy bux isn't large yo.
13:46 asciilifeform see above
13:46 mircea_popescu so if it goes to shit it gets cancelled i guess.
13:46 asciilifeform aha see but my fiddy-us doesn't have to be cancelled
13:48 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7reSQd3uiA << this guy's fucking hot, srsly now.
13:48 assbot The Crazy World of Feminist Theater - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwK4Z8 )
13:48 jurov dunno, not my type
13:49 asciilifeform 'If the police doesn't show up, off you go to your business. If the police does show up, butcher the civillians.' << already sop, palestine, etc. - just minus the bank part
13:50 mircea_popescu everywhere where people are winning.
13:50 asciilifeform (suicide bomber doesn't need money. at least, not especially much of it.)
13:50 ben_vulpes "who am i with my white cis-gendered privilege to pass judgement on such a masterpiece?"
13:51 mircea_popescu jurov more for me.
13:51 jurov :)
13:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in usa, bank happily hands robber a bag of money with small mine inside
13:52 asciilifeform this is sop for a generation now
13:52 mircea_popescu luckily it comes with meatshield.
13:52 asciilifeform for some reason hardly any ever bother to defuse the mine, even though its design is published quite openly in the patent (yes)
13:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58938 @ 0.00040524 = 23.884 BTC [+] {2}
13:53 asciilifeform other observation, of course, is that $maxint in stolen cash doesn't really deprive the bank of anything - more is printed, delivered next day
13:54 ben_vulpes "FDIC Insurance"
13:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i doubt they bother with the paperwork
13:54 asciilifeform or public notices
13:54 asciilifeform it just... happens
13:55 asciilifeform recall mircea_popescu's article re: the petadollars' worth of precious paper that got 'thermonuked' in the new york flood ?
13:55 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Aha! You aren't so anti-drug after all!!! http://trilema.com/2010/cadeti-afara-doi/
13:55 assbot Cadeti afara (doi) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BtADP )
13:55 asciilifeform who noticed it?
13:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19612 @ 0.00040902 = 8.0217 BTC [+]
14:10 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/#comment-11768
14:10 assbot Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwPL9J )
14:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'reop' proggy appears to use usgoogle's crypto turdlib
14:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, I offered the caveat of redone entirely.
14:15 asciilifeform incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?
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14:15 asciilifeform ( https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc )
14:15 assbot kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18WJY2A )
14:15 thestringpuller is surgical even possible?
14:15 asciilifeform or does it also have to wait until i'm cloned ten times and can finally do everything
14:15 thestringpuller this is more of a frankentstein operation
14:15 BingoBoingo as far as user interface and "armored text block" goes, looks about right reop looks about right. Just needs to dump the part where done in go and depends on external google library
14:16 asciilifeform thestringpuller: 1) it does the basic maths 2) brief enough to be humanly readable with some effort
14:16 BingoBoingo Suffice to say reop is still a toy, but one that apes proper function better than moxenslit's toy
14:16 asciilifeform other than that, i cannot comment on the quality
14:17 asciilifeform (was speaking here of 'micro-ecc')
14:17 thestringpuller asciilifeform: the process of removing openssl from bitcoind seems like that operation Tony Stark underwent.
14:18 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i'm cloned ten times << Do you think you'd work well, with yourself? Hopefully it's not like that Dexter's Lab episode.
14:18 asciilifeform nope
14:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16314 @ 0.00040902 = 6.6728 BTC [+] {3}
14:18 asciilifeform put'em on separate continents.
14:21 asciilifeform https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc/blob/master/uECC.c << ends up ~half again as long if you snip out the ifdefs for unreasonably small (8, 16-bit) machines
14:21 assbot micro-ecc/uECC.c at master · kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwSxLU )
14:22 asciilifeform do any of you feel up to the task of ada-izing this ?
14:22 asciilifeform until this happens, we're playing 'underhanded c contest'
14:22 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
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14:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: we're talking about the classical fictional clones, naturally, rather than the boring younger twin brother kind
14:23 BingoBoingo Ah
14:26 mats asciilifeform: i may be able to wrangle some time on a cluster if you're interested in doing a batch job
14:26 mats would be a good stop-gap until jurov gets going
14:27 asciilifeform mats: i am specifically not interested in shuttling crud back & forth
14:27 asciilifeform have plenty of cpu here at home
14:27 asciilifeform but want to push button and forget again.
14:27 mats ok
14:29 punkman asciilifeform: I wonder how much extra code we'll need to make microecc (or whatever else) parse/verify all the different crap already in blockchain
14:30 mats http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/02/26/the-fcc-set-to-approve-strong-net-neutrality-rules/
14:30 assbot The FCC approves strong net neutrality rules - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwUyrt )
14:30 asciilifeform punkman: that is clearly part of the puzzle
14:31 punkman I'd be interested in learning Ada (or other language), but damn that's some gnarly syntax
14:32 * BingoBoingo has build against LibreSSL 2.0 syncing, 9 days of history left, no wedge blocks
14:32 asciilifeform punkman: get the 'rationale' book. every piece of 'gnarl' is justified, and the justification reads like your local fire code - every line is likely there because of a corpse
14:33 punkman I don't think we have fire code :P
14:35 punkman asciilifeform: should I be looking at ada 2012 flavour?
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14:36 asciilifeform punkman: 2005 or better yet 95
14:36 asciilifeform none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build
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14:36 asciilifeform (they require the runtime libs)
14:36 asciilifeform while the original 1983 standard had warts that were fixed in 95
14:44 punkman http://www.ada2012.org/comparison.html handy table
14:44 assbot Ada 2012 : Ada Comparison Chart ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwY998 )
14:50 thestringpuller asciilifeform: because of a corpse << reminds me of this tv show Venture Bros. First episode this henchman named Speedy was brutally killed by super body guard (Brock Samson). So in subsequent episodes the veteran henchman are like "So, lemme tell you about a story about a henchman named Speedy."
14:51 thestringpuller "All fun and games until someone dies?" or something like that.
~ 28 minutes ~
15:19 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000052.html << ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al
15:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOMTDX )
15:21 ben_vulpes you're running some interesting experiments, asciilifeform.
15:22 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: that was about 10 minutes' work, and if you notice - didn't lead to a usable result
15:22 asciilifeform but posted it in case somebody takes an interest in the concept
15:22 * ben_vulpes read, noticed.
15:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00042078 = 5.5543 BTC [+]
15:31 BingoBoingo Nailgun 'Suicides' are getting more ambitious http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/missouri-auditor-and-governor-candidate-tom-schweich-has-died/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html
15:31 assbot Missouri Auditor and governor candidate Tom Schweich has died : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOOVUw )
15:32 BingoBoingo "His death was confirmed by his office early Thursday afternoon, just hours after Schweich had requested an interview with reporters for the Post-Dispatch and the Associated Press at his Clayton home later in the day."
15:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927129 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927130
15:33 assbot Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:16; asciilifeform: at this point, quite a few people will not believe, e.g., the camps, even when they end up inside.
15:33 assbot Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.
15:34 asciilifeform quite a few folks who ought to know better make monkey noises when i/anyone speak of 'shadow state' and lizardhitler
15:34 asciilifeform what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?
15:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: consider writing up for qntra ?
15:37 chetty <asciilifeform> what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?// they still dont believe
15:37 BingoBoingo I'm considering it.
15:38 BingoBoingo Schweich was notorious for breaking up all kinds of small bezzels in his first terms as State Auditor, announced candidacy for governor a few weeks ago, would have probably won. Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence.
15:39 mike_c ? that doesn't say nailgun
15:39 asciilifeform mike_c: the actual type of small arm used is unimportant
15:39 BingoBoingo mike_c: Once again escalation
15:39 BingoBoingo !up B0g4r7
15:39 mike_c well, sort of unimportant. it is stylish when they actually use a nailgun
15:40 asciilifeform mike_c: 'nailgun' in this context is the proverbial 'convenient suicide' of someone who 'needed to have problems'
15:40 asciilifeform that is, someone who created problems for usg
15:40 asciilifeform and wouldn't turn asset when asked nicely
15:40 asciilifeform (or, alternatively, needed to be taken off the gameboard in an unusual hurry)
15:41 BingoBoingo Schweich had actually in past careers been a well labeled and prominent "asset" of things
15:41 asciilifeform because, possibly, found to have been planning some action to which there is no convenient, clean usg response.
15:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the most 'instructive' deaths are usually reserved for 'former assets'
15:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117000 @ 0.00042677 = 49.9321 BTC [+] {3}
15:43 punkman asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern?
15:43 asciilifeform punkman: the distinction is meaningless
15:43 BingoBoingo Pretense of credibility was likely established with "negative campaign ad" run beginning yesterday by local kook who presented no credible chance at winning the office
15:43 asciilifeform punkman: much of what i call usg consists, on paper, of 'private' concerns
15:44 asciilifeform e.g. microsoft
15:50 asciilifeform incidentally, lies are much cheaper than bullets
15:50 asciilifeform unless you know that schmuck personally, don't blithely assume that he died in his house (conveniently pictured in article) or that his wife is still alive, etc
15:51 thestringpuller asciilifeform: assume that he died << you mean like faking his death?
15:51 thestringpuller as it stands this is probably best way to disappear completely without actual death.
15:51 asciilifeform for all we know, he's sitting on an anthill right now somewhere at 'the farm' (look it up), writhing on camera for showing to future 'candidates'
15:51 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Nah, the in his house part
15:51 asciilifeform thestringpuller: nope
15:53 thestringpuller asciilifeform: oh you're saying they staged his death and now he's prisoner until actual death?
15:53 asciilifeform again no.
15:53 asciilifeform or rather, not necessarily
15:54 asciilifeform merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley
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15:54 BingoBoingo !up gabriel_laddel
15:54 gabriel_laddel Thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UprNbs6M6c8
15:54 assbot Daniel Kahn & The Painted Bird - Rats - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOShHg )
15:55 asciilifeform ^ aha the 'inner emigration' folks
15:56 gabriel_laddel The very same. Lovely music, this.
15:56 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.
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15:56 asciilifeform ^ or.
15:57 thestringpuller what do you know about iptables?
15:58 PeterL BingoBoingo: article mentions he was on the phone just before shot was heard, perhaps agent was explaining how he would find those things tomorrow unless
15:59 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Why not just use pf
15:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37331 @ 0.000436 = 16.2763 BTC [+] {3}
15:59 thestringpuller PeterL: this is why there are no patriots anymore.
15:59 thestringpuller How can you be a patriot if your own country will back stab you?
16:00 gabriel_laddel ;; site: trilema.com "America isn't a people"
16:00 gribble Error: "site:" is not a valid command.
16:00 gabriel_laddel ;; google site: trilema.com "America isn't a people"
16:00 gribble The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-crime-of-being-american>; #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/>
16:00 asciilifeform what's a german patriot in '45.
16:00 gabriel_laddel eh, not what I wanted, and I don't care to find the article. In any case, what is 'your country' anyway?
16:00 PeterL asciilifeform: the ones trying to assasinate Hitler?
16:02 thestringpuller gabriel_laddel: this is a good country. in a world where a country betrays their soldiers, what do those soldiers do?
16:02 gabriel_laddel die
16:02 thestringpuller this is a good point*
16:02 gabriel_laddel !s ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on
16:02 assbot 0 results for 'ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ethnic+war+is+just+like+regular+war+except+that+the+uniforms+are+glued+on
16:02 asciilifeform http://s260.photobucket.com/user/drmabuse06/media/TimeTravelHitler.jpg.html << obligatory
16:02 assbot Time Travel Hitler Photo by drmabuse06 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRHvaj )
16:02 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: You want the hotel article
16:02 gabriel_laddel !s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2014#803548
16:02 assbot Logged on 21-08-2014 03:24:30; asciilifeform: most russians in chechnya, pre-collapse, weren't instinctively afraid of their neighbours either.
16:03 assbot 0 results for 'http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2014#803548' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Flog.bitcoin-assets.com%2F%3Fdate%3D21-08-2014%23803548
16:04 gabriel_laddel "time travel hitler" lolol
16:05 nubbins` hi
16:06 gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: I was looking for an article with photos from MP touring the US where he comments something to effect of "the US is fucked, it is a collection of people who have nothing in common". In any case, the hotel article should suffice.
16:06 mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-02-2015#1013736 << wayland, mir, not competition?
16:06 assbot Logged on 09-02-2015 20:23:01; asciilifeform: x sucks and no competition
16:06 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Fire in Alabama
16:06 asciilifeform mats: nope
16:07 asciilifeform mats: for one thing, it it can't be piped over ip, it isn't a substitute for x
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16:07 asciilifeform i don't care what the fuck else it does.
16:07 nubbins` mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time
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16:07 asciilifeform and fuck the 'desktop unix!!111!!!111' people with red hot dildo.
16:07 asciilifeform i -use- the functionality they don't see a purpose for.
16:07 nubbins` cheap/colorful paper, super intense colors, very bold graphics
16:07 asciilifeform and so do other thinking folks.
16:08 nubbins` all about the utter failings/piece-of-shittedness of the phoundation
16:08 nubbins` offer it as "mystery poster" for the cost of s&h
16:08 PeterL asciilifeform: which functionality are they trying to remove?
16:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27617 @ 0.00042741 = 11.8038 BTC [-] {2}
16:09 nubbins` lucky recipient opens tube, out falls a half dozen cheap posters he can keep/paste/sell/give away
16:09 asciilifeform PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp
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16:09 asciilifeform in favour of either nothing or winblows-style whole-display 'remote desktop' bullshit
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16:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64383 @ 0.00041953 = 27.0106 BTC [-] {2}
16:10 asciilifeform i actually know of no exception to this
16:10 asciilifeform if anyone does, please link.
16:11 nubbins` well. either mapping the phailings of the phoundation (someone with knowledge of recent "vote" should chime in here) or the virtues of the .foundation
16:11 asciilifeform fact is, i can run a graphical proggy on machine at other side of my house, or other side of the planet, and have the output - regardless of where in my display devices i shove it - look -exactly- the same as if it were local
16:11 asciilifeform on x11
16:11 asciilifeform and nowhere else.
16:11 asciilifeform and what's more, because bitmaps aren't much flowing over the wire, it'll be usably fast.
16:12 asciilifeform how this strikes anyone as an optional frill, is beyond me
16:12 asciilifeform but count me 100% in favour of mircea_popescu's proposal to get these idiots off computers and preferably - eventually - off the electric grid likewise.
16:13 asciilifeform because they don't belong living with people.
16:13 asciilifeform not that x11 has no warts
16:13 asciilifeform but afaik, none of the extant 'alternatives' is an actual alternative.
16:15 BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch
16:16 asciilifeform http://paintedbird.de/images/stories/kahn/pdf/Parasites.pdf
16:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVo1P )
16:16 asciilifeform ^ neato
16:17 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitgo-offers-insurance-the-fdic-way/#comment-11785
16:17 assbot BitGo Offers Insurance The FDIC Way | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVtT0 )
16:17 asciilifeform http://paintedbird.de/images/stories/kahn/pdf/SixMillion.pdf
16:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVuGI )
16:18 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
16:18 assbot Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVCWO )
16:18 mircea_popescu "BitGo is the only company in the industry we trust to secure our hot wallet. The integration was very straightforward, and now I can sleep better at night knowing that my customers' holdings are secured with BitGo."
16:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cache original article!
16:19 mircea_popescu it'd have been a lot more helpful if instead of empty boasts and declarative statements they just explained the math.
16:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: before it's gone.
16:19 mircea_popescu how exactly is the api working ? gpg ?
16:19 thestringpuller PeterL: scoopbot malfunction.
16:19 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: no some toy crypto
16:19 PeterL yeah, I see, working on it, bleh
16:20 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: https://www.bitgo.com/api/
16:20 thestringpuller don't open unless you want to take your IQ down a bit
16:20 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo New Reno: Accepted.
16:21 BingoBoingo Oic
16:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Saved
16:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i meant, save & mirrorlink
16:21 thestringpuller "Almost all BitGo API interfaces require authentication. This begins with a username/password at the Login Endpoint and requires 2-factor authentication via Authy or your mobile phone (set up via the BitGo website)."
16:21 asciilifeform statically link!
16:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Working on the second part
16:22 mircea_popescu ffs, i can sleep safer at night knowing that usagi v2.0 is offering derpsurance.
16:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034635 << too risky.,
16:22 assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 19:15:09; asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?
16:22 mircea_popescu it's worth doing on a test network just to count subtle bugs.
16:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not 'testnet' but deterministic sync from single node (neither on public net)
16:23 asciilifeform if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct.
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16:24 mircea_popescu not so.
16:24 asciilifeform (if you're waiting for someone to mathematically prove equivalence, you'll be waiting a long time)
16:24 thestringpuller https://www.bitgo.com/api/#decrypt << srsly enc/dec via Javascript in browser?!?!?
16:24 thestringpuller or node.js?!?
16:24 mircea_popescu you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened.
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16:24 asciilifeform stuck with what ?
16:25 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: are you talking about the berkleydb thing?
16:29 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Original block 168000 fork no one knew about
16:30 asciilifeform fact is, 'hey hey ho ho' openssl 'has got to go'
16:30 asciilifeform one way or other.
16:31 asciilifeform fully algorithmic statement of bitcoin cannot have 'and a turd goes here'
16:31 asciilifeform it should ask for only a tcp stack and a place to park bytes in some nonvolatile way
16:31 punkman even openssl can't confirm all it's own signatures
16:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence.
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16:33 mircea_popescu well, no, but the openssl code as-was.
16:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: somebody would have to cough up a mathematicized model of 'c' and stdlib + rest of the spittoon
16:34 asciilifeform don't expect it to happen this side of the next millenium
16:35 mircea_popescu the problem with the "if it valdiates the previous chain is good enough" approach is its very pure gavinderpitude.
16:35 mircea_popescu ie, "we imagine ourselves the owners of a distributed project"
16:35 asciilifeform certainly can't consist just of that
16:35 asciilifeform you need mathematical proof
16:35 asciilifeform but of internal consistency
16:35 asciilifeform rather than bug-for-bug equivalence to the turd
16:35 PeterL what happens if we remove a bug and it no longer syncs?
16:35 asciilifeform PeterL: depends what kind of bug
16:36 asciilifeform if it was an exploitable bug, old chain is a dead man walking
16:36 asciilifeform if non exploitable, then 'it ain't a bug, it's a feature'
16:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd suggest, in characteristic crackpottery, to have the two ecdsa modules operate in tandem.
16:37 asciilifeform in separate address spaces.
16:37 asciilifeform until such a day as folks with 'skin in game' no longer think it necessary.
16:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Story updated with turdory cached http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
16:37 assbot Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOYtii )
16:38 * BingoBoingo first heard this news on the radio while retreiving 1/5th of vodka from liquor retailor
16:38 punkman BingoBoingo: .zip link is wrong
16:39 BingoBoingo punkman: fxd nao
16:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform righjt, kinda what i meant by runninmg it on testnet to see
16:39 nubbins` 1/5th of what of vodka
16:39 nubbins` and what is the unit you're about to use in real units
16:39 BingoBoingo nubbins`: 1/5th is its own unit of measure for packaged liquor
16:39 nubbins` okay, but...
16:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i meant actual tandem, as in 'every sig ever checked/generated from both interfaces, and all the world's bells will surely ring if the answer ever differs'
16:40 nubbins` vol*5 = ?
16:40 nubbins` oh, a gallon.
16:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nice move linking the local site. should be standing policy : all news is local news, always eschew the aggregators, from reuters to gawker, in favour of the source.
16:40 BingoBoingo nubbins`: 750 ml, so 5 of those would be a gallon if liters were quarts
16:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034655 << imagine the thing go wrong and alf becoming four alfettes.
16:41 assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 19:22:44; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.
16:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, was local enough news that I knew local source
16:41 mircea_popescu all vying for supremacy and the hand in marriage of the one true alf
16:41 mircea_popescu ww3 and a decentscifi premise right there.
16:41 nubbins` BingoBoingo we call this size bottle a "twenty-sixer"
16:41 asciilifeform l0lz
16:42 nubbins` on account of it being 750mL in volume
16:42 jurov ;;ticker
16:42 danielpbarron "I just drank of fifth of vodka; dare me to drive?" --Eminem
16:42 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.57, Best ask: 236.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 236.89, 24 hour volume: 5325.74561124, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 238.55, 24 hour vwap: 236.609743047
16:43 nubbins` "oh god, please let me die beneath her fists" -- nick cave
16:43 nubbins` ;p
16:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit
16:44 asciilifeform (aramaic, greek, latin, vulgar tongues... coexisting uneasily)
16:45 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit << Yes, and no curves can have identifiers which are too stand out, especially if they are useful at all
16:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is actually the reason why my first suggestion was to merely rip out the relevant parts of openssl (pick a version) so as the build ends up - 1) self-contained 2) bitwise identical binary
16:46 asciilifeform rip out and roll in, that is
16:46 nubbins` asciilifeform: ...rubes misquoting poor translations as literal truths...
16:46 asciilifeform bitwise-identical doesn't need a mathematician to prove... just a copy of 'diff'
16:47 nubbins` hm
16:47 PeterL asciilifeform: sort of making a static fork of the library with only the parts used by bitcoind?
16:47 asciilifeform PeterL: right
16:48 BingoBoingo 5 days of history left to sync
16:48 asciilifeform nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation
16:49 asciilifeform see his article re: how 'no one alive has the authority to create a fork, deliberate or otherwise' (don't have link handy)
16:49 BingoBoingo asciilifeform> nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation << Kinda why my -qt OpenBSD experiment is vaguely described in blog post. If I hit a grendade do not want others suffering same one
16:50 BingoBoingo Also my porting effort consisted on delete, ctrl-c, and ctrl-v and watching compiler errors
16:50 nubbins` heh
16:50 nubbins` we call this "test driven development"
16:51 BingoBoingo Well, I also read the previous porting efforts
16:51 asciilifeform the thing is, eventually this 0.5.3 thing is going to have to, like or not, -add- vs merely remove
16:51 asciilifeform if only to fix obvious and intolerable flaws like the orphans leak
16:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite substantially the same thing yes
16:51 nubbins` BingoBoingo, cazalla much work involved in collating a list -- say 10-20 items -- of the phoundation's biggest boondoggles/fuckups/skeletons/whatever?
16:51 nubbins` things that shine the light, as it were
16:52 nubbins` i feel like one of you guys would be in the know
16:52 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Why don't you give it a whirl
16:52 mircea_popescu nubbins` sounds like a fine way to begin your qntra career.
16:53 punkman http://www.gwern.net/Archiving%20URLs some useful scripts for archiving links and Firefox URL history in particular
16:53 assbot Archiving URLs - Gwern.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP0OKa )
16:53 nubbins` it's actually a fine way to dig in on this poster project, but i don't have the time or the inclination to dig through years of phoundation phollies
16:54 * BingoBoingo doesn't run a firefox with a concept of "history"
16:54 asciilifeform with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen
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16:54 thestringpuller danielpbarron listens to eminem?!?
16:54 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Thing of it as argueing against a laser dude
16:54 nubbins` heh.
16:54 thestringpuller my name is...
16:54 asciilifeform evidently, no one has the time or inclination
16:54 nubbins` asciilifeform no kidding
16:54 asciilifeform (rather -and-)
16:55 nubbins` i've got the time and inclination to illustrate and print the things
16:55 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen << "Numbers Station"
16:55 nubbins` so if someone's looking for a chance to make it matter, maybe earn yourself some trust (i'm looking at you, everyone without +v), this might be an opportunity
16:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no, actual technical discussion
16:55 asciilifeform or better yet, code
16:56 asciilifeform or at the very least review the backport
16:56 asciilifeform ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html )
16:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP1gYY )
16:58 danielpbarron thestringpuller> danielpbarron listens to eminem?!? << I used to; my mom once lectured me on how terrible it was -- she now loves the guy and can sing along to most of his songs (very strange to behold)
16:59 * nubbins` pictures own mother softly singing "you don't want to fuck with shady, 'cause shady will fucking kill you" while wiping countertops
17:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform will take time.
17:00 danielpbarron that's not even bad; he says way worse things
17:01 mircea_popescu dun rush things, foundation snipped thing isn't even stable yet.
17:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00043921 = 6.1709 BTC [+]
17:02 punkman I'm waiting for that x86 static build recipe, or was it posted somewhere already?
17:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence. << i don't get these people. nismann (argentine da, shot by state because threatening to put president in jail) was the same way : spent his crucial night before the great day ALONE ?!?!?!
17:02 asciilifeform punkman: mod6 posted iirc
17:03 mircea_popescu dude, that's not what you do. what you do is, you go to the biggest restaurant in town and start buying people drinks and lunches.
17:03 mircea_popescu you spend a year's salary on throwing the biggest party ever.
17:03 mircea_popescu but no, geeks gotta geek out.
17:03 nubbins` "after a night of partying, nismann was found dead, apparently having choked to death on his own vomit"
17:03 * BingoBoingo planning to find OBSD rentaboxen in the 1-3 month timeline to play with build and sync of foundation thing.
17:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what thing. the one that leaks memory? why waste -any- time on it?
17:04 mircea_popescu yeah right.
17:04 asciilifeform not that backport should be used as is! but why piss away time on a turd ?
17:04 mircea_popescu nobody forces you to drink.
17:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The orphanage burning version, see if stable.
17:05 asciilifeform also waste
17:05 nubbins` mircea_popescu nope but everybody encourages you to
17:05 asciilifeform must -understand- code and write sane version
17:05 * nubbins` searches for list of famous people dead by alcohol poisoning
17:05 BingoBoingo See what fuckery happens on different *nixen document
17:05 mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah well if you're about to take down the president but can't resist a little social pressure...
17:06 nubbins` mircea_popescu i'm not saying he says "fuck it, 20th shot in a row", i'm saying he wakes up dead with a mouth fulla foam instead of a bullet in his head or w/e
17:06 nubbins` or is he gonna pull an all-nighter? 8)
17:07 kakobrekla http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31639374
17:07 assbot BBC News - How do you catch a drone? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP2XWl )
17:07 mircea_popescu nubbins` in public ?
17:07 nubbins` whoosh
17:08 nubbins` he's sleeping in the restaurant now?
17:08 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> nubbins` in public ? << Plenty of people in a bar have been slipped mickeys
17:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00043964 = 15.7171 BTC [+]
17:11 mircea_popescu ehh, it's relaxing.
17:11 asciilifeform kakobrekla: gotta love how 'force everyone to buy crippleware' is listed as an 'option'
17:11 kakobrekla mhm
17:11 mircea_popescu punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern? <<< a shadow state is by definition a private concern.
17:12 asciilifeform ^
17:12 * asciilifeform accustomed to perverse usg use of word 'private' rather than the dictionary meaning
17:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034728 << quite.
17:12 assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 20:54:13; asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley
17:12 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> must -understand- code and write sane version << My limit for the forseeable future is maybe spot errors.
17:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as in, "private svejk" ?
17:13 asciilifeform as in 'microshit is private industry'
17:16 BingoBoingo Back to srs commentary on news... Schweich had primary and general election in the bag >> http://themissouritimes.com/14953/schweich-sent-open-letter-requesting-gubernatorial-run/
17:16 assbot Schweich sent an open letter encouraging gubernatorial run - The Missouri Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP4o72 )
17:16 BingoBoingo In spite of being emaciated birdnose guy
17:17 danielpbarron i got accused of being "tea party" for tweeting qntra article re: ^
17:17 mircea_popescu ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/#footnote_3_52271 ?
17:17 assbot Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP4yeJ )
17:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:18 danielpbarron the guy shut up really fast when i asked for his real name with the hashtag #FeelingLitigious
17:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034734 << dude i'd so totally blog all that :D
17:18 assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 20:56:41; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.
17:18 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: His one primary opponent as of yesterday was marginal "christian 1st" tea party kook of marginal interest
17:19 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: qntra is the news. We maintain credibility by putting that shit in the log now to link later. 5 months old... still toddling
17:19 asciilifeform 'and then he came home to find his family packed into a gasenwagen, and himself on a train to auschwitz, where he caught typhus in a week.' 'dude i'd so totally blog all that'
17:19 BingoBoingo Also there is a prominent prolly unrelated missouri politician name...
17:19 BingoBoingo ;;google peter kinder
17:19 gribble Peter Kinder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kinder>; Home | Missouri Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder Official Web Site: <http://ltgov.mo.gov/>; Peter Kinder (@PeterKinder) | Twitter: <https://twitter.com/peterkinder>
17:20 asciilifeform obligatory >> http://xkcd.com/180/
17:20 assbot xkcd: Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1vDtlTP )
17:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yup.
17:21 mircea_popescu i've never had typhus. have you ?
17:21 asciilifeform haven't gotten around to it yet
17:21 asciilifeform 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto
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17:22 BingoBoingo !s doormouse
17:22 assbot 5 results for 'doormouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=doormouse
17:22 mircea_popescu tbh, i kinda look forward to being forcibly relieved of all sortsa responsibilities.
17:23 asciilifeform lol wut
17:23 asciilifeform 'For the fact is that being inside a whale is a very comfortable, cosy, homelike thought. The historical Jonah, if he can be so called, was glad enough to escape, but in imagination, in day-dream, countless people have envied him. It is, of course, quite obvious why. The whale's belly is simply a womb big enough for an adult. There you are, in the dark, cushioned space that exactly fits you, with yards of blubber between yours
17:23 asciilifeform elf and reality, able to keep up an attitude of the completest indifference, no matter what happens. A storm that would sink all the battleships in the world would hardly reach you as an echo. Even the whale's own movements would probably be imperceptible to you. He might be wallowing among the surface waves or shooting down into the blackness of the middle seas (a mile deep, according to Herman Melville), but you would never
17:23 asciilifeform notice the difference. Short of being dead, it is the final, unsurpassable stage of irresponsibility.' (orwell's whale)
17:23 asciilifeform ^ that ?
17:25 BingoBoingo !s mazes
17:25 assbot 2 results for 'mazes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mazes
17:25 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034183 << The most alive I've felt recently was during a maintenance hallucination
17:25 assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 09:30:13; BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
17:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00044186 = 36.0337 BTC [+]
17:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah. more like nostalgia for an earlier, simpler, matasareanu-er time.
17:27 asciilifeform ^
17:27 * asciilifeform would happily sign under that
17:27 thestringpuller if you poop in your dreams you poop for real
17:27 nubbins` ^
17:28 asciilifeform what's a maintenance hallucination anyway ?
17:28 BingoBoingo Let's stop calling them dreams, tht word has been abused to death. Children "dream" of world peace. Real men have maintenance hallucinations
17:29 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: REM sleep, particularly memorable bouts thereof
17:29 asciilifeform ru and other sane langs have separate words for the 'dreams of world peace' and the kind you have asleep
17:30 asciilifeform learn one.
17:30 asciilifeform problem phixed.
17:30 asciilifeform (TM)
17:30 BingoBoingo !b 7
17:30 assbot Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/278Y4M9.txt )
17:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform has it.
17:31 mircea_popescu the actual us hitler (the nigger, whatever his name was, king something, the million brown MEN march on the capitol guy)'s thing is hilarious translated in romanian.
17:31 mircea_popescu "am un vis". well... so go to bed then ?
17:32 BingoBoingo lol, mlk jr/rev/doc
17:34 BingoBoingo Block 344666 sync'd
17:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034769 << like how ?
17:36 assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 21:07:24; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time
17:36 nubbins` well, the last one was sort of a "look at this neat thing" approach
17:37 nubbins` next one: "look at these people doing it wrong"
17:38 mircea_popescu about 300 years worth of experience with printing show that negative pamphlets only work in dictatorships.
17:38 mircea_popescu unless it's "look at stalin sucking cock" it ain't worth printing.
17:38 nubbins` heh.
17:38 nubbins` yeah, fair
17:38 mircea_popescu the penthouse interview with the faloon prostitute a fine example.
17:38 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: but diss records work all the time. that's why biggie and tupac iz ded.
17:39 nubbins` thestringpuller he has a point
17:39 nubbins` for that matter, you do as well
17:39 nubbins` anyway, just thinkin out loud
17:40 thestringpuller it's like that episode fo the boondocks where they make a diss record about grandpa
17:40 * BingoBoingo offers Jan 2015 through Feb 12th 2015 all kind of OOM kills, none since
17:40 thestringpuller then all of a sudden people start beating up old people cause the song is dope
17:40 * BingoBoingo crosses fingers
17:41 nubbins` well anyway, that leftover money from the old posters is still sitting around
17:41 thestringpuller one kid says, "I like to beat up old people cause the song said it was cool to do." << i guess this also related to eminem controversies of the late 90's
17:41 nubbins` be nice to make use of it, for .foundation propaganda or otherwise
17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84328 @ 0.00043987 = 37.0934 BTC [-] {2}
17:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00043882 = 4.6515 BTC [-]
17:43 mircea_popescu nubbins` leftover moneyz ?
17:43 nubbins` nod. idea was to pay rubes in big cities to print out cheap copies of same poster and paste em up
17:44 nubbins` after an exhaustive search, i found precisely one dude who said his nephew would do it
17:44 nubbins` and it was such a shit job i don't even know if i should describe it
17:45 nubbins` anyway, there's just over a bitcoin and a half there
17:48 nubbins` mildly (but only mildly) surprising that people will suck pennies out of a btc faucet all day, but literally walking around with a roll of packing tape is too much work for $15/hr
17:48 mircea_popescu i paid for this ?!
17:49 * nubbins` nods
17:49 nubbins` well, no.
17:49 nubbins` you paid for the 50 for what's his name
17:50 nubbins` then i printed another 50 to sell to forum rubes, with the express intention of the profit being used in this manner
17:50 mircea_popescu a, i was starting to think my accounting's as tight as the dod's.
17:50 mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/b604ad019e65b96035959eabcc8af4df/tumblr_mx127rxlEo1s233qio1_500.jpg << for that tight, prison look.
17:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyaRoW )
17:58 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
17:58 gribble Current Blocks: 345307 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46800172847.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.24804
17:58 BingoBoingo Awfully close to no change
18:03 BingoBoingo lol >> http://learnlispthehardway.org/book/3-21-0-lisp-machine/
18:03 assbot L(λ)THW ... ( http://bit.ly/1GybM8Q )
18:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00042253 = 18.5702 BTC [-]
18:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123950 @ 0.00041841 = 51.8619 BTC [-]
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18:37 BingoBoingo So when it comes to Schweich... Biggest bezzel controversy in MO right now is whether or not to build a new NFL stadium. Imma be pissed if that ends up having done him in.
18:37 BingoBoingo !up knotwork
18:37 BingoBoingo !up yhwh_
18:38 BingoBoingo My client has sync'd up to the point of no return, not enough blocks left to trigger an OOM kill
18:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041841 = 1.7155 BTC [-]
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18:56 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
18:56 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.7, vol: 5485.67443858 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.002, vol: 6212.04634 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 236.92, vol: 18689.46373519 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.510392, vol: 85401.94810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 239.63507, vol: 22.7135206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 237.265875, vol: 51.29906919 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.291054119
19:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00043686 = 28.527 BTC [+] {2}
19:08 mircea_popescu wd bb
19:09 cazalla love reading a trilema where i know of the incident being discussed before it is named, heh
19:10 cazalla always figured those two guys watched heat a couple dozen times
19:13 mircea_popescu haha ya think ?
19:13 mircea_popescu this was 90s, might have been pre heat even
19:15 thestringpuller cazalla: like when he says to stop buying bitcoins while a buying frenzy happens?
19:15 thestringpuller but people still do it anyways.
19:16 cazalla mircea_popescu, heat came out in 95', hollywood shootout was two years later
19:16 mircea_popescu ah k
19:16 mircea_popescu dude it's been 20 years.
19:17 cazalla and yet news of that attempted bank heist stuck with me since i first of it back then
19:17 cazalla heard*
19:20 BingoBoingo So... /. just shitted up their UI
19:20 BingoBoingo Instead of promoting their beta to production they gave the shitty beta.slashdot rounded corners and are pretending it is still "classic"
19:21 mircea_popescu sigh.
19:22 BingoBoingo That, also is a contender for pushing Schweick over the edge
19:23 BingoBoingo !up Pierre_Rochard
19:27 cazalla mircea_popescu, on second thought.. wikipedia suggests they hit their first armoured car back in 93 so perhaps it is heat which copied them
19:29 BingoBoingo http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7021623&cid=49143131
19:29 assbot The Only Constant is Change - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjCe0a )
19:29 asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/#comment-11803 << for anyone who gives a fuck re: gsm
19:29 assbot Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjChci )
19:29 BingoBoingo "I'm trying to come up with an apt description of how disappointing this "classic" redesign is and all I and all I can say is this morning everything was fine. Now it looks like some GNAA trolls mashed up the worst aspects of "classic" with the beta no one wanted."
19:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45502 @ 0.00041841 = 19.0385 BTC [-]
19:33 BingoBoingo Only unambiguous good news of the day, the NFL's war on runningbacks is tilting towards and NFL loss nao http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/02/26/adrian_peterson_suspension_overturned_by_federal_judge.html
19:33 assbot Adrian Peterson suspension overturned by federal judge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjD119 )
19:33 BingoBoingo !up unbalanced
19:35 BingoBoingo Also... Gawker is so late on this story... compare http://newsfeed.gawker.com/do-not-use-turbotax-this-tax-season-1688222595/+jparham and http://qntra.net/2015/02/turbotax-stops-filing-state-tax-returns-due-to-massive-fraud/ 2 weeks for squaker to catch up
19:35 assbot Do Not Use TurboTax This Tax Season ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjhB9Z )
19:35 assbot TurboTax Stops Filing State Tax Returns Due To Massive Fraud | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjhyet )
19:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14929 @ 0.00043809 = 6.5402 BTC [+]
19:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87671 @ 0.00044115 = 38.6761 BTC [+] {4}
19:53 BingoBoingo Megalol, snowdenites as new "NRA" http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/edward_snowden_citizenfour_the_former_contractor_sparked_a_movement_that.html
19:53 assbot Edward Snowden Citizenfour: The former contractor sparked a movement that’s winning the surveillance argument. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjGNYa )
19:53 BingoBoingo !up Asenath
19:53 BingoBoingo Hello Asenath welcome to #b-a
19:54 Asenath Thank you, I've been reading along for many weeks
19:54 BingoBoingo Cool, any specific-ish questions?
19:55 Asenath I could embarass myself by asking something pedestrian.
19:55 BingoBoingo Nah, that's how you learn what to read
19:56 BingoBoingo Then you read and ask question 2
19:56 Asenath Instead I think I will keep my own counsel for now and save the questions for when I gad dig in deep.
19:56 Asenath Yes, one invariably leads to another
19:57 BingoBoingo Asenath: Well on freenode you prolly want to pick up a cloak to avoid mystery DoS bot.
19:57 BingoBoingo Just go to #freenode and ask for a cloak
19:57 Asenath One thing I would like to learn more about is the building of the nodes.
19:58 thestringpuller Asenath: danielpbarron.com
19:59 Asenath Thanks for that
19:59 thestringpuller danielpbarron: documented everything perfectly.
19:59 thestringpuller you can reach him here or by twitter if you have any questions
20:00 BingoBoingo Asenath: Good to ask here though in case your question is novel if asked here on the record the solution can help others
20:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63057 @ 0.00042801 = 26.989 BTC [-]
20:13 danielpbarron Asenath, you mean the pogo? or just nodes in general?
20:17 asciilifeform danielpbarron: post it to the listserv
20:18 asciilifeform danielpbarron: ideally these things ought to be there
20:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18343 @ 0.00042801 = 7.851 BTC [-]
20:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/juraboev-complaint.pdf << mega-lol re: terrorist-creation
20:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Piece if it appears would be tomorrow at the earliest. Drinking to numb my body to the snow shoveling ahead of it tonight.
20:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: have you considered leaving that snow where it is ?
20:22 thestringpuller asciilifeform: spoken like a true recluse...
20:22 asciilifeform hey it wurks for me
20:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Can't do that if I want to collect monopoly money from the neighbors.
20:23 * BingoBoingo is a cash busines
20:23 asciilifeform aha
20:23 thestringpuller BingoBoingo is also a certified hustler
20:23 danielpbarron !up Asenath
20:24 asciilifeform that indictment is riotously funny
20:24 asciilifeform usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock
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20:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Summers I cut grass, parties I cut ass, and winter I shovel snow. All of the time though my records are an incoherent mess
20:26 BingoBoingo Fuck, this indictment is longer and lulzier than nearly all the darkmarket ones
20:27 asciilifeform it's pretty standard in that the 'dangerous terrorists' are just as obviously one or two notches above the iq level where one needs institutional care
20:27 asciilifeform as in most such cases
20:27 BingoBoingo So any asperging turrorists of the Islamist pursuasion "Hilofatnews.com" is a honeypot
20:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Just like the Padilla fellow and his buckets
20:28 asciilifeform does it matter to which honeypot they go ?
20:28 asciilifeform if imbeciles.
20:28 asciilifeform allah forbid they find a -working- weapon, will shoot wrong end towards enemy, somebody'll have to clean up their guts
20:28 BingoBoingo Seriously
20:29 asciilifeform their 'plan', to the extent one could use that word here, appears to have been - to shoot police at random, and then collect their gear, which which to repeat same, ad infinitum
20:31 asciilifeform every time i read a document like this (and they're all quite the same, as mircea_popescu observed all clinical material re: the criminally insane being much alike - or was that tlp?)
20:31 BingoBoingo I think they both covered this
20:31 asciilifeform i think of the folks who might have tried to go to the moon in balloons, or shooting selves out of cannons, in the past
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20:33 * BingoBoingo for the record would never injure Obama lest he deprive Obama the instruments Obama set against himself and his legacy
20:33 asciilifeform and speaking of our hanging, where are the -thinking- terrorists ?
20:34 asciilifeform i, for one, will be quite disappointed to hang on the same gallows as these disgraceful excuses for 'public enemy'
20:34 BingoBoingo Waiting untile they can have a SLotin moment?
20:34 BingoBoingo i.e. screwdriver can only stop one
20:35 BingoBoingo The rest are prolly happy running all over Texarkana and the New California Republic
20:35 asciilifeform those aren't 'terrorists' properly speaking
20:35 asciilifeform but ordinary soldiers, of an army which doesn't officially exist
20:36 asciilifeform speaking here of proper terrorists.
20:36 BingoBoingo I really don't know if you can have a "proper terroritst" without some mental retardation
20:37 asciilifeform sure you can.
20:37 asciilifeform as described in mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' essay;
20:37 asciilifeform or suvorov's 'spetsnaz';
20:37 asciilifeform or the novel 'stand on zanzibar';
20:37 asciilifeform or 10,000 other places.
20:38 BingoBoingo I'm not sure a wasp is actually a terrorist... seems more like a drunk cursed with work
20:39 asciilifeform a 'terrorist' for the purpose of this line of thought is anyone who is on track to being imprisoned by usg under charge of 'terrorism.'
20:40 BingoBoingo So unknowable until after the fact
20:40 asciilifeform not wholly unknowable
20:41 BingoBoingo The outer bounds are
20:41 asciilifeform i.e., if you were a fly on the wall (fly that speaks uzbek) where the two cretins had their conversations, you might be able to guess
20:41 decimation asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetsnaz < apparently ru mil uses 'digital camo' now
20:41 assbot Spetsnaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1HKfE )
20:41 asciilifeform decimation: ru army copied even american boots not long ago
20:42 asciilifeform !s wrappings
20:42 assbot 1 results for 'wrappings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wrappings
20:42 asciilifeform hm
20:42 asciilifeform !s leg wraps
20:42 assbot 0 results for 'leg wraps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=leg+wraps
20:42 BingoBoingo From my understanding of the inner bounds the hometown mayor recovering from a fall down the stairs and thoracic + cervical spine fractures is a likely turrorist candidate
20:42 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2015#1028969
20:42 assbot Logged on 22-02-2015 18:57:48; asciilifeform: phun phact: degenerating ru army recently moved to socks!
20:42 decimation !s foot wrap
20:42 assbot 0 results for 'foot wrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=foot+wrap
20:42 asciilifeform ^ thread
20:43 decimation aye. apparently they just wanna be like everyone else
20:43 decimation supposedly the 'digital camo' is 'more effective' than past camo
20:43 BingoBoingo !up chatquack
20:44 decimation re: chromium plating weapons parts < I suspect that usg would do it if it were actually cost effective
20:44 decimation but the marginal benefit gained is probably not worth the cost of properly plating the weapon
20:45 asciilifeform cost doesn't seem a likely reason, imho. iirc, crew-served machine guns don't have chromed mechanicals either
20:45 asciilifeform mats? adlai?
20:46 mats lolno
20:46 asciilifeform if i had to guess, i'd imagine Cr cold-welds on impact with self, or something like that
20:46 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Thinking on it the smaller parts like the trigger group have the wrong kind of friction? If the plating wears unevenly catastrophic failure comes sooner than with paint?
20:46 decimation I wonder if it would flake?
20:47 BingoBoingo decimation: Can flake to an extent
20:47 adlai automated weaponry in the vulgar battalions is lubricated by the ash deposited from fired rounds
20:47 BingoBoingo Cold welding may happen
20:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16713 @ 0.00041841 = 6.9929 BTC [-]
20:48 mats exactly
20:48 adlai "best practices" say that you don't want lots of this, but you need to continually fire for a long time without cleaning to get a jam from residue
20:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109637 @ 0.000416 = 45.609 BTC [-] {2}
20:48 BingoBoingo Might be that plating makes the underlying metal fail in a different way
20:48 adlai (caveat: 'ime' encompasses only training and exercises, in all manner shitty physical conditions, but combat inevitably would be worse)
20:50 BingoBoingo Could also be something as stupid as "Chromium there would be shiny" when spotted de sodomizing gun
20:50 decimation the first "digital camo" was used by the waffen-ss http://camouflage.wikia.com/wiki/Flecktarnmuster_%28Flecktarn%29
20:50 assbot Flecktarnmuster (Flecktarn) - Camouflage Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1J8yS )
20:53 BingoBoingo 19 blocks left
20:53 BingoBoingo Also... Fedora is really turning to shit since people abandoned it http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-22-Alpha-Features
20:53 assbot The Tremendous Features Of Fedora 22 - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1JG7V )
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00041548 = 8.6004 BTC [-]
20:58 decimation BingoBoingo: lol python3 is now standard
20:58 BingoBoingo decimation: Seriously
20:58 decimation but it has a new version of gnome turdware!
20:59 decimation heh and they are ditching yum
20:59 BingoBoingo Seriously yum was the only tolerable part of my breif flirtation with SUSE
21:00 BingoBoingo OH SHIT MY CLIENT IS FINALLY SYNC'd
21:00 decimation well apparently the yum author got hit by a bus or somethin
21:01 BingoBoingo PLS send weird transactions that might accidentaly forkchain nao.
21:01 decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNF_%28software%29 <"Perceived deficiencies of yum which DNF is intended to address include poor performance, high memory usage, and the slowness of its iterative dependency resolution."
21:01 assbot DNF (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1KQAi )
21:03 BingoBoingo !up starsoccer
21:03 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the world of sane folks,
21:04 asciilifeform 'Due to the well-known fact that all compilers have bugs, it is the conventional wisdom of the safety critical community to avoid assuming that the generated object code is automatically correct. For instance, the approach taken in the avionics standard DO-178B is one of Design, Review and Test [DO-178B]. As far as practical, the review and test activities are undertaken at the object code level. Indeed, if the reliability req
21:04 asciilifeform uirements of Class 1 flight critical software (the most critical) are to be attained, every attempt must be made to detect errors induced by a compiler. This is expensive, but unavoidable given current technology. The pragma Reviewable applies to a partition so that the compiler can generate code to match special documentation thus permitting independent review of the object code. The following specific requirements apply...'
21:04 asciilifeform ( http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/95rat/rat95html/rat95-p3-h.html )
21:04 assbot Hypertext Ada 95 Rationale - Part Three - Chapter H ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1LeyH )
21:04 asciilifeform ^ yes there are language primitives for helping to ease the pain of the fella who gets to read the disasm after you're done
21:04 decimation asciilifeform: that's interesting
21:05 mats dear god
21:06 mats that sounds expensive
21:06 decimation asciilifeform: it's an acknowledgement of the fact that you are living on an assembly machine
21:07 asciilifeform mats: know what else is expensive ?
21:07 asciilifeform 'boeing' that falls down
21:08 asciilifeform or a bitcoinator that $insertcatastropicfailure
21:09 * BingoBoingo struggling to make gnat hello worls
21:09 BingoBoingo *world
21:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: gnatmake hello.adb
21:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll give it a try within 24 hours.
21:12 asciilifeform with ada.text_io;
21:12 asciilifeform use ada.text_io;
21:12 asciilifeform procedure hello is
21:12 asciilifeform begin
21:12 asciilifeform put("Hello World");
21:12 asciilifeform end hello;
21:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: May have to play with ksh configs. Had to do so to make python REPL work. SBCL REPL worked right after pkg_add
21:12 decimation there's a pretty good tutorial here http://www.adatutor.com/
21:12 assbot Ada Tutorial and Free Ada Compilers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1MDFu )
21:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00042052 = 28.0487 BTC [+] {2}
21:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: don't expect a repl, ada is a classical compiled thing like c or fortran
21:13 BingoBoingo !Up chatquack
21:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I understand that part
21:14 BingoBoingo Fortran 95 did its compile on this gcc
21:14 BingoBoingo 2 weeks ago when tested.
21:14 BingoBoingo Installing/testing ada began today
21:14 BingoBoingo Not finished yet
21:17 * BingoBoingo working his way slowly though "C++ Today" his CSI 130+230 text to learn a language paradigm to reject
21:17 asciilifeform the 'rationale' chapter on oop system is interesting in that it cites the 'common lisp', c++, 'eiffel', 'smalltalk' standards materials, and expects that you are familiar with them and can understand a summary of differences
21:17 asciilifeform it is an immediate mindfuck to be confronted with a computing-related document written this way.
21:18 asciilifeform not something i've experienced since working with steele's 'common lisp the language'
21:19 * BingoBoingo needs to read MARC records were a stupid wast of a semester
21:19 asciilifeform among the books i can picture on the shelves at the great library of 'meta-nsa' - this tome surely has its place
21:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.0004241 = 20.1023 BTC [+]
21:21 decimation http://librarytechnology.org/libraries/library.pl?id=4559
21:21 assbot NSA Library -- United States -- National Security Agency ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1O5HI )
21:23 * asciilifeform almost expected to see a catalogue
21:24 BingoBoingo Such links never show a catalogue.
21:24 asciilifeform https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/records_management/ia_rds.pdf << funnily enough.
21:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1Ozxu )
21:25 asciilifeform catalogue.
21:25 asciilifeform (doubtfully would be posted without hitler's approval, so take with grain of salt)
21:25 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/records_management/ia_rds.pdf << funnily enough. << Not MARC cannot write to tape, not a catalogue
21:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1OJVI )
21:27 decimation asciilifeform: have you ever read the 'rainbow books'?
21:28 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/10/nsa-eci-the-intercept-14-1010.pdf << crown jewels catalogue, purportedly, circa '03
21:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1Pder )
21:29 decimation http://fas.org/irp/nsa/rainbow.htm
21:29 assbot Rainbow Series and Related Documents ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1PbDA )
21:29 asciilifeform decimation: well-known. but, personally never had occasion to.
21:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6163 @ 0.00041548 = 2.5606 BTC [-]
21:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20937 @ 0.00041156 = 8.6168 BTC [-]
21:31 asciilifeform and ^ answer to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2015#1013854
21:31 assbot Logged on 09-02-2015 20:57:01; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something.
21:33 BingoBoingo !up nubbins`
21:33 nubbins` ty
21:39 decimation "LAWRENCE Look, Ali. Look! That's me. What colour is it? That's me! And there's nothing I can do about it. ALI A man can do whatever he wants, you said. LAWRENCE He can, but he can't want what he wants.This is the stuff [his flesh] that decides what he wants."
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21:39 asciilifeform incidentally,,
21:39 asciilifeform https://dattaz.fr/nsa/index.html
21:39 assbot NSA choice ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1QRwI )
21:41 BingoBoingo "A man chooses. A slave obeys."
21:42 asciilifeform ^ unfortunately not actively updated
21:42 asciilifeform (e.g. contains no detail re: 'pendleton' and 'piedmont', the directorates-of-what-shall-we-do-about-pgp cited in earlier 'crown jewels' list)
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21:49 * BingoBoingo downtime
21:57 decimation !down decimation
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00041289 = 19.8187 BTC [+]
21:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76618 @ 0.00040377 = 30.936 BTC [-] {2}
22:03 asciilifeform https://github.com/openssl/openssl/tree/OpenSSL_1_0_1-stable/crypto/bn/asm << very interesting reading for connoisseurs
22:03 assbot openssl/crypto/bn/asm at OpenSSL_1_0_1-stable · openssl/openssl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ae8RMV )
22:04 asciilifeform yes! asm-optimized routines for bignum get crapped out by perl scripts..
22:04 asciilifeform slept better without knowing this? too bad.
22:05 * asciilifeform not sure how many of those, if any, are enabled on typical build for respective system
22:05 * asciilifeform can't be bothered to find out
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77600 @ 0.00038926 = 30.2066 BTC [-] {2}
22:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69364 @ 0.00038678 = 26.8286 BTC [-] {3}
~ 38 minutes ~
22:56 adlai ;;ticker --market all
22:56 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 245.26, vol: 7494.30920734 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 243.567, vol: 8006.11503 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 251.33, vol: 18550.09634337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 249.434075, vol: 74178.23820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 242.06, vol: 35.53347757 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 241.023435, vol: 55.43776109 | Volume-weighted last average: 249.029596627
~ 19 minutes ~
23:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74500 @ 0.0003995 = 29.7628 BTC [+]
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78284 @ 0.00040596 = 31.7802 BTC [+] {2}
23:17 mircea_popescu !up Asenath
23:21 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035162 <<< this actually wasn't rare, either.
23:21 assbot Logged on 27-02-2015 01:31:56; asciilifeform: i think of the folks who might have tried to go to the moon in balloons, or shooting selves out of cannons, in the past
23:22 asciilifeform not even impossible to think that it still happens.
23:24 mircea_popescu assbot: The Tremendous Features Of Fedora 22 << there's something very wrong with any software that reaches v 22.
23:24 mircea_popescu firefox has the same problem
23:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035305 << /me waves at the poor unfortunates whose impossible job this is.
23:28 assbot Logged on 27-02-2015 02:42:39; asciilifeform: (e.g. contains no detail re: 'pendleton' and 'piedmont', the directorates-of-what-shall-we-do-about-pgp cited in earlier 'crown jewels' list)
23:28 * asciilifeform pictures them waving back
23:31 mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw1e24I4re1qaz8fmo1_1280.jpg somewhat related.
23:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JT7j62 )
23:31 asciilifeform lolwut
23:32 asciilifeform isthata ziptie?
23:32 mircea_popescu i dun think so
23:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27125 @ 0.00040549 = 10.9989 BTC [-]
23:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44112 @ 0.00040884 = 18.0348 BTC [+] {3}
23:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00040549 = 29.0736 BTC [-]
23:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23148 @ 0.00040884 = 9.4638 BTC [+]
23:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63502 @ 0.00041382 = 26.2784 BTC [+] {2}
23:44 asciilifeform http://rumpkernel.org << interesting
23:44 assbot Rump Kernels ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBCKvg )
23:45 asciilifeform ^ or maybe not. seems like an elaborate rehash of '80s microkernel concept
23:45 asciilifeform but potentially useful for netbsd diddlers.
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