#trilema | 2015-10-13

common to whom, us two ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00048065 = 11.6317 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00048005 = 2.4723 BTC [-]

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"I have a surprising piece of advice for parents, which I hope will be taken in the spirit it is offered: your kid doesn't want to be around you that much. No one does. This isn't because you're a bad person but because you're an ordinary person. You are not such a unique, creative, intelligent or even interesting person that the kid benefits from constant exposure to you. When you have something to offer, maximize

01:20

and concentrate that time, and then get the hell out of the way."

01:20

best advice.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00048065 = 1.1055 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10667 @ 0.00048481 = 5.1715 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00048572 = 9.9087 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33573 @ 0.00048112 = 16.1526 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26550 @ 0.00047999 = 12.7437 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00048607 = 2.965 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00047876 = 3.1598 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00048539 = 5.7276 BTC [+]

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<assbot> [MPEX] [D.XAPO] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+] << 0.o

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lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00048607 = 6.1731 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00048539 = 9.999 BTC [-]

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!up rdymac

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.0004829 = 11.2274 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5133 @ 0.00048607 = 2.495 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00048764 = 5.7542 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00048025 = 5.2828 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16607 @ 0.00047848 = 7.9461 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22223 @ 0.0004777 = 10.6159 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00048271 = 10.9575 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00048634 = 11.0399 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32250 @ 0.00048811 = 15.7415 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40320 @ 0.00048015 = 19.3596 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7478 @ 0.00047736 = 3.5697 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00047744 = 10.7424 BTC [+] {3}

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06:13

BingoBoingo: If there was a single cannon the idiots could take it << no no the cannon takes the idiots, unless I'm out of powder

06:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297582 given enough airflow and pulling out on the outstroke, it's sort of possible, at least temporarily

06:27

Logged on 13-10-2015 03:47:10; mircea_popescu: i have never, ever, in my fucking life been in a situation where pumping dried out the woman. how the fuck does this work even ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00047971 = 7.4796 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00047971 = 3.0701 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41649 @ 0.00047934 = 19.964 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7308 @ 0.00047846 = 3.4966 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00047803 = 7.4864 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00047684 = 10.8243 BTC [-] {2}

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here's one for BB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJHEj2xf-Ro

07:31

Miss Platnum - Give Me The Food (Offizielles Musikvideo) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k1iQFm )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9187 @ 0.00047971 = 4.4071 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40392 @ 0.00047971 = 19.3764 BTC [+]

08:32

punkman ah i hate the pulling out stuff

08:32

incidentally, this is how condoms break if they do.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00047831 = 8.4422 BTC [-] {2}

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09:33

!up binaryatrocity

09:33

Thank you.

09:33

sure. who're you ?

09:33

I am binaryatrocity, lover of crypto, and lurker of many channels.

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aha.

09:34

The pleasure is all mine. Well met.

09:35

have a blog?

09:36

I... have a personal site, that may look like a blog. But it is lacking in any blog-like content.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00047812 = 10.2318 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00047837 = 5.2142 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00047974 = 3.718 BTC [+] {3}

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binaryatrocity: link?

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http://keybase.io/binaryatrocity

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Brandon Cornejo (binaryatrocity) | Keybase

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err, http://brandoncornejo.name

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Brandon Cornejo | binaryatrocity ... ( http://bit.ly/1VPOAyg )

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keybase?!!

09:58

!s keybase

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87 results for 'keybase' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keybase

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hmm?

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binaryatrocity: it is a search command. if you follow the link, will see discussions of the item from the past. might learn something.

10:00

hmm, signature verification with gribble is ever-failing

10:00

gribble auth is no longer in active use in #bitcoin-assets.

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binaryatrocity: see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

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first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )

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yes but I cannot yet voice myself, and the "requirements to be in Assbots WoT can be found <here>" link goes to the homepage

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which links to a waybackmachine of cascadianhacker.com, which references gribble auth

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binaryatrocity: register with assbot; at some point, other people might rate you, and then you will be self-voicing.

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so here I am :D

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but no one can rate you until you register.

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registered!

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!gettrust binaryatrocity

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Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user binaryatrocity: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=binaryatrocity | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/binaryatrocity/

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!rate binaryatrocity 1 new blood

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Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/08b00c0783c0d8b4

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!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.binaryatrocity.1:c01c13d718ae0ea8df2544e2e90e5d6b6f3b03e8c865a0bf788ff9daaba79292

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Successfully added a rating of 1 for binaryatrocity with note: new blood

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binaryatrocity: try voicing yourself now.

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binaryatrocity: and consider moving away from keybase. generate a civilized key on your own hardware, sign it with the old, and quit sharing private key with the enemy.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00048014 = 19.0135 BTC [+] {3}

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*

asciilifeform bbl

10:12

o.O our wiki is out of date ?

10:13

who was giving jurov a login ? kakobrekla ? mike_c ?

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iirc no one yet

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yeah im chasing it.

10:16

thestringpuller

for people with anxiety disorders: what works for you other than drugz?

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sex?

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sure i can make you an account

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kakobrekla: yes pls

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pm

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for young males with anxiety "disorders" the only workable solution is to get into a lot of fights.

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with any luck you'll be cured before you lose your 2nd tooth.

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thestringpuller

how does that work psychologically and all that jazz?

10:19

anyone else needs a login?

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the ancient theory on consumptive masturbation was that monsters are a figment of the imagination, and so the practical cure was to expose the young man to ACTUAL, ie, anatomically accurate depictions of the other gender. what today we'd call porn.

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all neurosis works the same way, the subject replaces the thing as is with a construct in his own head.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13893 @ 0.0004797 = 6.6645 BTC [-]

10:39

>A crowdfunding campaign for a razor blade which its US creators claimed could remove facial hair with a laser beam has been suspended by Kickstarter.

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>It has now been relisted on Indiegogo.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34516907#?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

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Laser razor kicked off Kickstarter - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1k1O536 )

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doh

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297500 < assbot currently runs --refresh-keys periodically

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Logged on 13-10-2015 02:56:15; mircea_popescu: phf i doubt assbot actually updates them. it might also not look at expirations, i dunno how kakobrekla did it, maybe he weighs in.

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ah

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any particular reason ?

10:45

imo the right play would be to stop refreshing and move to a "provide your pubkey in pastebin" model. prhaps even to be enhanced to a "ask someone in wot to sign your pubkey and give it to assbot" later. too soon for that imo.

10:49

prolly because of key revocation

10:54

i think there was a discussion back then about this, having it coupled or uncoupled

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yea

11:02

trinque

thestringpuller: take a heroic dose of a psychedelic alone; works as well as a fight

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trinque

if you don't crack yourself maybe you'll learn what's actually worth feeling anxiety in life

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also wasnt there the idea of running ba keyserver?

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ya

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and it is suppose to be compatible with --send-keys?

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well it's not specced yet, so who knows.\

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guten tag

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hola

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"Pharma is the backbone of medicine, because, unfortuantely, medicine is about treatment, not prevention. If a doctor recommends exercise, or garlic, or even aspirin, it's a sidenote, and a quaint one. "Oh, my doctor thinks I should move to Florida for my asthma!" Meanwhile, they'll give out the amoxicillin to every crying toddler, even though they know that that is detrimental. you know why? Because it looks like

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a treatment. It's not all the doctors' fault; but that's the system.

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I'm going to repeat this because I know people are going to misunderstand me: the system that you want is impossible to construct in the framework of modern medicine, if for no other reason than doctors don't read-- derive no benefit from reading. The system does not exist, and you cannot create it. Psychiatry is politics; medicine is the justice system. Pharma are the opposing lawyers, and doctors are the jury. Th

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e jury must decide the fate of the defendant-patient. And the FDA--judge simply makes sure everyone is civil. Not accurate, save for outright perjury; just civil."

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motherfucker. see, this is how bad ideas corrupt.

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iirc the keyserver will be geared maximally toward manual process

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00047992 = 14.0137 BTC [+] {3}

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such as... human sacrifices

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"oh, we don't have the continental legal system here - we have an adversarial system" good for you

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"and we'll make medicine work that way too because there can only be one of anything"

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fuck you, seriously.

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jurov firstborn keyserver ?

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problematic if no children

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ikr.

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but i guess if no children one could sacrifice first gf.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00048031 = 11.0952 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00047748 = 12.9158 BTC [-] {3}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297671 <<< sadly, keybase turned out to be a giant disappoint for me.

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Logged on 13-10-2015 14:06:35; asciilifeform: binaryatrocity: and consider moving away from keybase. generate a civilized key on your own hardware, sign it with the old, and quit sharing private key with the enemy.

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deedbot-

[Trilema] Eulora continuat - http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-continuat/

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14167 @ 0.00048165 = 6.8235 BTC [+] {4}

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but as basically another keyserver, no problem with keybase right?

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I'm not trusting them with my private key, it's just a sane profile to store the public and link me to domains etc i might control?

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sorta like hanging out at the rape club is a-ok because you're only getting drinks anyway.

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a perfectly sound if rather uncommon stance.

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but I left the key to my chastity belt at home, so I'm safe!? :D

12:09

Just looking for some reasoning behind the hate, feel free to tell me I'm an idiot.

12:09

Obviously popping your private key into your browser is asking for a bad-time, but in the same vein as pgp.mit.edu is used, it's basically teh same functionality?

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binaryatrocity: one, it is/was all javascript, two, it used to "backup" your private keys to their server

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not afaik same functionality, no.

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but handing over your private key is optional, I clearly understand why relinquishing access to your private key is a bad idea

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but hanging out / using people who do a bad thing, even if they're not doing it to you, is dubious.

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I see your point, the public-facing info can be useful though, sure there might be no real tangible benefit to tying your github to your gpg key that you couldn't achieve in a different manner, but it does provide a clean interface

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that's ok, we don't like github either.

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Sure, self-hosted is king. I follow.

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binaryatrocity: how do you "link your GPG to your github"?

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this is the sort of thing one can't understand from outside.

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"popping your private key into your browser" IS NOT "the same vein as pgp.mit.edu is used" !!!

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i didn't say that

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where his nonsense comes from??

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*sigh*

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lol.

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I didn't say that at all

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what did you say?

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Storing your PUBLIC key on Keybase to be access by whomever is the equivalent to uploading your public key to the MIT keyserver

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i see "basically the same functionality"

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it allows someone who is looking for your public key to access it, based on information they may already know about you

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pushing a point, sending an ack to a http server is pretty much the same as sending an ack to any other http server.

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Be that your Name, an associated domain name, or an already-known 'social' account

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binaryatrocity that's not wqhat it does. what it does is, it allows keybase.io to PRETEND like they're relevant, based on your own work.

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!up ascii_field

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binaryatrocity: and then the private keys of other derps leak, how will you explain "but it's not me" ?

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ok this is glorious:

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It stores the associations in a 'familiar' and accessible manner

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hey, what's your facebook ?

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but again i see your point, signing messages to my GIST or Twitter is still relevant without Keybase displaying it.

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my office window faces a parking lot. there is a 'welfar' office nearly. a couple just parked, carrying out a cradle with a kid. they parked... a brand new 'jaguar'.

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you're basically supporting gpg-discreditation ops

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understand?

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*welfare

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(or 'wic' as it is called now)

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ascii_field you know more poor people buy status symbol items on credit than rich people buy them cash ?

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Yes, yes I understand that keybase is bad because they allow the option for users to compromise their own private keys

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mircea_popescu: i knew, in abstract. but never saw alive.

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binaryatrocity it's not that simple. that's just a symptom. keybase is bad because is made by the enemy, to suit the agenda of the enemy. the compromise key is just a symptom of this fundamental allignment with evil.

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Care to elaborate on this 'agenda' some?

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you mean other than the log does ?

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i repeat, gpg discreditation

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example http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-09-2015#1286379

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Logged on 26-09-2015 11:23:38; punkman: https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-new-key-model gpg is hard, let's go shopping

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jurov yeah but that's not meaningful to him. because dat variety speak.

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I completely understand that argument, I just wanted some elaboration on "fundamental alignment with evil" heh

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maybe a good move is ben_vulpes recent article on cascadian hacker.

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it's in the logs

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anecdotal but workable.

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read them

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mircea_popescu: correction - turns out it was not 'jaguar' but something else. still, spiffier than my old tub.

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Yes i am currently reading them. I also have a job to do, was hoping for a succinct answer, oh well, I'll read at my leisure. Thank you.

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let me guess alfie, you mistook a new-ish chevy for jaguar.

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jurov: gpg discredits itself fine by itself :D

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that is also a point lol.

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mircea_popescu: vintage 'lincoln'

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polished.

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i dont recal lif that's very cheap or very expensive.

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iirc it is american-highend

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Lincoln is the "luxury" line of the Ford motor company

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ya but old ones

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Ford has owned Lincoln since like the 50's

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no i mean - some old cars are actually more expensive old than they evere were new.\

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some others... be happy for $500

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297252 <<< sha256 implements sha2

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Logged on 12-10-2015 22:01:06; pete_dushenski: davout: also sha2 != sha256

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Oh, gotcha, sure.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297245 <<< fixxored ty

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Logged on 12-10-2015 21:59:05; pete_dushenski: davout: "According to Schneier it costed ~$3mn in 2012 to find an arbitrary SHA1 collision." << cost

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turns out the number s supplied was inaccurate.

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you can also have sha3 with 256bits

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if it's ~150-200k today, it was under 1mn in 2012\

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punkman: yeah sure, but what's usually referred to by SHA256 is SHA2 with a 256 bit length

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297760 << this is the basic vampirism on which the 'sv' huckster set lives.

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Logged on 13-10-2015 16:16:53; mircea_popescu: binaryatrocity that's not wqhat it does. what it does is, it allows keybase.io to PRETEND like they're relevant, based on your own work.

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'i'm on arsebook, but i have a brain!' 'good work, now arsebook can say, 'some of our users have brains!'' lubing up the chumpatronic intake hopper.

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aye. just for my own amusement, i had a subreddit created ; and seeded it with a coupla posts.

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one week later traffic on it ? 0.

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"reddit is relevant". to what ?

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mircea_popescu: perhaps not much reddit in sp ?

12:33

"well if you're already there it looks like there's people there". sure. same is true of grand central station

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what's the subreddit?

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"no you don't understand, reddit drives traffic!!1"

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orly ? it drives exactly 0, on its own.

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davout no, because "irrelevant" MP is going to accidentally by an apropos drive 50000% more traffic than reddit\

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anmd then reddit will go "see ? |REDDIT DRIVES TRAFFIC!!11"

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idk, when i link article in en there, it brings in a deluge of burned bandwidth

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and then in the same day ima have to explain to well intentioned fellows what is evil about usg-tronics.

12:34

reddit is mostly usa thing

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gee, i dunno. the fact they exist, as opposed to squirming in a lake full of its own guts ?

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ascii_field spanish is the most spoken language in the us, get off.

12:35

blergh

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mircea_popescu: not by net users

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believe or not

12:35

get out. who's on her mobile all day ?

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not the northrop ceo, i'll bet you.

12:36

those folks aren't using the net as such. they're using sms (and, the occasional arsebook)

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so then redit is exactly correct.

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reddit, for whatever reason unknown to me, is mainly used by folks who sprechen sprechen englisch

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in the sense that nobody uses it anyway and whoever forgot the bot setting on us-en

12:39

https://cryptome.org/2015/10/assassination-reciprocity.htm << lulzy. when will these folks learn to pgp ?

12:39

Assassination Reciprocity ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2b4ei )

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or, if american forgery, why not crank out a pgp to sign with

12:40

i think it might be related to the spam discussion. "why is spam misspelled ? not because they can't hiore an editor. but because the demographic."

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last fucking thing a spammer wants is the attention of intelligent people.

12:41

that would explain it.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00047857 = 2.7518 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.0004821 = 2.0971 BTC [+]

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https://keybase.io/binaryatrocity << so, your twitter feed is "associated" with your public key, because.. keybase says so?

12:58

Brandon Cornejo (binaryatrocity) | Keybase ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2eA8F )

12:59

this lends some credibility to your twitter feed?

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!up ascii_field

12:59

that I somehow know that it's not somebody else posting those twitter messages because the same public key and twitter address are listed on some keybase page?

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re: earlier thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQz4LKK6x2s

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The SKAM Laser Razor: 21st century shaving!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2eP3A )

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the problem with keybase is that it's smoke and mirrors. there isn't any actual link between those things, but it is pretending there is

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I'd imagine more the other way around, if you already 'followed' me on Twitter, you'd reasonably be able to assume that the other 'accounts' listed are also owned/controlled by that-person

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the reasonable assumption is a beast that wasn't yet born.

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why? what would make me take that leap? because they are on the same keybase page that somebody set up?

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this is the problem - imaginary "credibility"

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if it were a problem, if anyone cared about keybase

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actually mike has it. this is i agree the best avenue to approach the problem. this is what's "evil", binaryatrocity : that in the pursuit of a fundamentally, inescapably false bit of fiction, you are asked to forfeit your actual life.

13:02

HeySteve

mike_c, any idea why they don't implement a gribble/assbot verification system to solve the problem?

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because consumers have come to expect simplicity.

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<ascii_field> or, if american forgery, why not crank out a pgp to sign with

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today in b-a news : all questions are the same question!

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something like the reason why the church never countenanced the various attempts to weigh the dying to learn the mass of escaping soul, etc

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I understand what you're saying, Keybase could not exist and you could still do the same process of "proofs", signing a message and positing it to Twitter saying this is me achieves the same thing

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you must say so publicly, not some website automagically for you

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You are saying so publicly

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well actually, the saying so on twitter is proof.

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by signing a message with your PGP key, thus linking hte accounts

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stop thinking about Keybase at all, if you know me for my code on Github, and you see I've signed some message with my key, and see a message similarly signed on a Twitter account

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binaryatrocity: and when twitter posts 'i fuck goats' under your account, how will you ~unlink~ ?

13:08

there's a huge difference between something like http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle-378272.txt and a nude statement on a website.

13:08

you can reasonably assume that both accounts are owned/controlled by the same person, namely "that guy i know on Github"

13:08

sure, you have no proof of real-world identity, but you have 'proof' that control of both accounts is had by the same entity

13:09

moreover unless i want to fuck you i couldn't give less of a shit about your "real world" identity

13:09

what exactly is it about wisconsin that makes it "real world" anyway.

13:09

looks pretty fake to me.

13:10

You could again sign a message with your key stating that Twitter or some other entity is posting to your Twitter account? lol

13:10

that's... not hte point

13:10

binaryatrocity: and post it ~where~

13:10

the point is that anyone can go make a Reddit account with my nym

13:10

sure.

13:10

signing and posting messages between multiple accounts with the same name serves as some proof that they are controlled by the same entity

13:11

well yeah.

13:11

that's all I'm saying

13:11

lol

13:11

o ok than.

13:11

were controlled. at one instance in time.

13:11

*

mircea_popescu !downs ascii_field because hey. at one instance in time eh ? :D

13:12

and yes, Wisconsin is fake, most American beer is actually spontaneously created :D

13:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00047858 = 6.6523 BTC [-]

13:12

wait wasn't oregon the beer state ? i thought wisconsin mostly made the plastic cheese.

13:13

they make small quantities of actual cheese, even.

13:13

the beer is created when u.s. folks barf

13:13

Wisconsin is known for cheese, the largest city in said state is known as "Brew City", as many of the current mass-produced american beers found their start here

13:13

in fairness it'd be excellent clime for good cheez.

13:13

Miller, Schlitz, Blatz, Leinies, etc

13:14

and I think California makes more cheese now, so I don't even know

13:14

the cost of actual cheese, in usa, per-gram, approaches that of silver

13:14

am i the only one aware that schlitz is "urination opening in male pants" in yidish and so amused at the notion ?

13:15

ascii_field 10-20 dollars an ounce ? sounds maybe a little excessive.

13:15

'a little'

13:15

that said - good cheese was never cheap.

13:15

mimolette exists because the dutch imported cheese was TOO EXPENSIVE. and about half the respected cheeses exist for similar reasons.

13:16

this process continued in usa to its logical conclusion

13:16

petro-cheese.

13:16

aha.

13:16

note that both spreading and eating works. so there is that.

13:17

one time, pet went on a visit to a household in the middle states where they habitually ate petrocheese

13:17

these folks actually do not recognize the real thing as 'cheese'

13:17

and yes, 'spreading - works!11111'

13:17

*

mircea_popescu took canned tuna afficionado out for fresh tuna, "what is this"

13:17

tuna

13:17

"but it tastes like seafood"

13:19

there are ru emigres in usa who habitually ate tinned food sold for cat, not out of poverty, but because it seemed entirely logical that quality canned fish ought to have a picture of a cat on the tin, and tastes just like the other cans

13:19

ahaha

13:19

!b 2

13:19

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0S9MEJ3.txt )

13:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13833 @ 0.00047858 = 6.6202 BTC [-]

13:20

honestly, i am a bit puzzled by all these dancing pigs and excited chicks used to market animal flesh.

13:20

wouldn't it be more logical to have wolves and foxes on the packaging ?

13:20

or what is the idea, the pig appreciates HIS OWN TASTE ?

13:20

and the smiling infants on 'baby food'

13:21

no, that i can see.

13:21

mircea_popescu: a 1990 issue of su 'наука и жизнь' had a letter to the editor concerning this meme, freshly introduced to su

13:21

where beloved cartoon characters were printed on tins of infant food

13:21

'my son cried, he did not want to eat winny pooh!'

13:22

lol

13:22

"don't cry, baby, it's not winny pooh, it's just his guts."

13:22

!s bambi's mom

13:22

1 results for 'bambi's mom' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bambi%27s+mom

13:22

'he perished with honour'

13:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.0004766 = 19.4929 BTC [-]

13:22

*

ascii_field envisions '47 ronin' brand of ground meat for infant

13:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR2Dpr36ndg

13:23

YouTube Poop - Skippy sees Bambi's Mom get Murdered - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2j9j6 )

13:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15767 @ 0.00047858 = 7.5458 BTC [+]

13:27

*

ascii_field if he were tlp, might say something re: 'pig appreciates his own taste, in america'

13:31

http://qz.com/522483/after-62-years-playboy-will-no-longer-feature-pictures-of-naked-women/

13:31

After 62 years, Playboy will no longer feature pictures of naked women - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2kFBP )

13:32

!up ascii_field

13:32

"The company now makes most of its money from licensing its ubiquitous brand and logo across the world — 40 percent of that business is in China even though the magazine is not available there — for bath products, fragrances, clothing, liquor and jewelry among other merchandise. Nudity in the magazine risks complaints from shoppers, and diminished distribution."

13:32

*

ascii_field astonished that it still existed !

13:33

but this is no more and no less astonishing than when, e.g., ibm ceased to build computers

13:33

i thought the whole thing hustler did was that playboy didn't have cunt in it so flint put cunt in hustler.

13:34

anywya. the migration of old porn brands towards softcore and then bedroom, bath ^ beyond is inevitable.

13:34

mircea_popescu: iirc it had 'cunt with the safety on'

13:36

howssat ? virgins ?

13:36

panties

13:36

*

mircea_popescu has never actually bought any opf these.

13:36

*

ascii_field has never even ~seen~ printed, dead-tree porn outside of an antiquarian book shop

13:37

well... i grew up in yurp. the swiss pronz was great.

13:40

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297566 << diatomaceous earth (silica dioxide) is also regularly used for roaches, ants, etc.

13:40

Logged on 13-10-2015 03:15:13; mircea_popescu: thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water.

13:40

at least in this part of the world

13:48

http://www.contravex.com/contact/ << pgp public key block added. previously just had link to 'sks'.

13:48

Contact | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2o1EW )

13:50

did ytou get it from sks or export locally ?

13:50

export locally

13:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24699 @ 0.00047744 = 11.7923 BTC [-]

13:54

cool.

13:57

can someone explain to me why pgp public key blocks appear to differ while resulting in the same public key being imported ? are differenct hash algorithms being used ?

13:58

eg. http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/key/0x165749929F9A6BDD != locally exported public key block above

13:58

Page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0iw83 )

13:58

wtf notfound

13:59

http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x165749929F9A6BDD << this then.

13:59

Public Key Server -- Get "0x165749929f9a6bdd " ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0iLzM )

14:00

don't ask me where 'keyserver.mattrude.com' came from when i linked from btcalpha. funny lookin' thing.

14:01

bbias

14:01

pete_dushenski: try gpg --list-packets --verbose to see what's different

14:02

pete_dushenski is gonna love this:

14:02

http://dpaste.com/0ZJRBQD http://dpaste.com/2F8P1K6 http://dpaste.com/3JJYZZW

14:02

dpaste: 0ZJRBQD: legit.asc ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0jgtT )

14:02

dpaste: 2F8P1K6: mit.asc ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0jjpm )

14:02

dpaste: 3JJYZZW: sks.ask ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0jjFQ )

14:02

god damned already.

14:03

!up ascii_field

14:03

!up ascii_field

14:03

ahahahaha

14:03

and notice that publishing a self-signed pubkey doth not help anything.

14:04

how would it.

14:04

sks and mit - identical

14:08

so it throws out main key preferences?

14:09

pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu, et al: http://imgur.com/AZyGYZo

14:09

sks diddle - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2rQtU )

14:10

oh wait, it adds a second signature packet for main key

14:10

assuming pete_dushenski did not upload this himself

14:10

and then forgot

14:10

o.O

14:11

da fuck is this then.

14:12

is it a cert signature from soneone else?

14:12

punkman the yellow part, could be. the changed mod in gray down at the bottom tho

14:13

that looks just like how an attack would look.

14:14

yeah that's a sig from "sig sig3 8CD06AFD 2015-02-22 2019-02-22 __________ Adam O'Brien <adam.jobrien@me.com>"

14:15

looks like a sig, yes

14:15

how did it get into his pubkey though

14:15

sks plops it in without asking ?

14:15

cuz guy signed it and updated it

14:15

yeah so you get wot sigs when you grab a key from the keyserver

14:16

is the bottom part changed because some subpackets got rearranged?

14:16

lulzy, but come to think of it, i remember discovering this in phuctor

14:16

I dunno how that'd work though

14:17

I wonder how pete ended up with sha512 on his self signatures

14:18

i don't see how a sub's mod woulkd change because of the packet order.

14:19

it's a sig

14:19

not a sub

14:19

that'd be how.

14:19

o it is isn't it

14:19

mk\

14:19

dumbass "subkey" nonsense makes this 10x as difficult to audit as it should be.

14:19

c'mon, 'm^d mod n' printed right there

14:20

but mircea_popescu has it.

14:20

yeah well it's printed right there, sure, in a sea of other shit printed right there. i did not see it.

14:20

i don't claim to be a fucking code eagle. i claim to live in a world where i don't have to be.

14:20

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ascii_field saw, but 'not from a good life', has looked at a great many of these.

14:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00047655 = 14.8684 BTC [-] {2}

14:24

anyway, pete_dushenski : someone (o'brien) signed your key and uploaded it to one of the servers. the result is a different pubkey there.

14:25

ask him why in room 101.

14:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00047645 = 7.8852 BTC [-] {2}

14:31

back

14:32

mega-l0l, sign key 1,000,000,000,001 times, upload...

14:32

i BET you someone somewhere has a dusted hdd full of various payloads to be thus employed.

14:32

i just noticed that o'brien signed my key the other week. though i've yet to ask him why.

14:33

mircea_popescu: who needs dusty payloads, /dev/random

14:33

well you want to exploit the necessary overflow.

14:33

!up ascii_field

14:33

if overflow, then definitely.

14:33

i'd be surprised if anybody tested it above 4GB

14:34

aha. or tested it in general.

14:34

if foss, then overflow. definitely.

14:34

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pete_dushenski wonders if there's a way to 'unsign' keys. assumes not.

14:35

*

ascii_field would have said 'no one will load a 4GB turd without noticing' but said this about 4MB trojans in 'visual basic', and was wrong

14:35

no, because the logical way to do this is make keys outside of hte control of their owners. because logic.

14:35

right.

14:35

ascii_field given the wonders of bzip, it's not even sure it has to actually be that big.

14:36

on the dld pass at least.

14:36

mircea_popescu: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-09-2015#1284573

14:36

Logged on 24-09-2015 03:23:11; asciilifeform: another annoyance is the inclusion of zlib.

14:36

what's 4 gb worth of 0s zip to ? fifty kb ?

14:36

a few dozen bts

14:37

phd paper for insta-nsa-ship : "how to make hash output periodic so that it zips well"

14:39

ok which one of you wants to be the victim

14:40

coincidentally to this bit of strange, i finally moved mr. o'brien off of 'apple mail' 'pgp'... last week.

14:40

with auto-decrypt, auto-encrypt, auto-sign, blah blah

14:40

so that's p[rolly why he signed your key. it's reasonable, he has to have a copy of it on his system\

14:40

might as well upload it.

14:42

quite possibly.

14:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00047624 = 19.9306 BTC [-] {5}

14:44

i'll repeat the question

14:44

who wants to be the victim

14:45

of sks turdcannon 1.0

14:45

shall we repeat the silence ?

14:45

do it to fucking julia.

14:45

now we need a julia

14:46

tourianski ?

14:47

ima set up a key on my game dedicated box in a few hours if no better solution.

14:47

pete_dushenski not unless she goes around meadows stripping nude in one gesture.

14:50

;;later tell JuliaTourianski_ feel like stripping in a meadow ? it's for science.

14:50

The operation succeeded.

14:52

off for a spell. will talk to o'brien this week. fuckin pgp...

14:53

http://forklog.net/cryptotechnology-beyond-prohibition-an-interview-with-bitruble-project-managers/

14:53

Cryptotechnology Beyond Prohibition: An Interview with Bitruble Project Managers | ForkLog ... ( http://bit.ly/1VQTqGf )

~ 23 minutes ~

15:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19732 @ 0.0004761 = 9.3944 BTC [-] {2}

15:20

!up ascii_field

~ 16 minutes ~

15:36

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297948 << Nah, in old playboy the "safety" was bush

15:36

Logged on 13-10-2015 17:36:10; ascii_field: panties

15:45

"I was about to pull the covers up, and she looks at me and says, "Daddy, are all doctors daddies and all nurses mommies?"

15:45

Here we go, I think.

15:45

15:45

Maybe you think this is a simple yes or no question, but it's not, everything becomes strategy. How I answer this will affect the rest of her life, how she'll answer her own questions and set goals and limits for herself. This is a scrimmage to teach her position. Am I smart enough as a parent? Am I ready?

15:45

I've mentally practiced this moment, and dozens others like it. For some I even have a script. I know how I want her to think, to make decisions for herself free of outside influences. The trick is how to teach her that, how to make it part of the way she thinks, reflexive."

15:45

bwhahahaha

15:45

and the beauty is, the guy is COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS.

15:46

brightest fucking psych mind in america, best blog i ever read,

15:46

and yet...

15:46

"I know how I want her to think, to make decisions for herself free of outside influences."

15:46

best in fucking class.

15:46

"bitch, get over here." yes massah. "here's how you gonna think free of outside influences. got that ?" yes massah.

15:47

go me, i just won all the ballas parenting points, and the bitch ain't even my daughter.\

15:48

'...so the room would be empty!'

15:48

see, this is the problem with l;iving over there.

15:48

in the end, it does not matter how smart you personally are.

15:49

spends 500 posts lambasting "narcisism" in others, proceeds to " How I answer this will affect the rest of her life". because why ?

15:50

the biological sign of success as a parent is that your kids couldn't give less of a shit about you. that's how maturity works. look at any fucking mammal out there.

15:51

"o no, people are better than you know, species" whyssat ? "because we got narcisism". well done.

15:58

!up ascii_field

16:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00047843 = 16.6015 BTC [+]

16:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12424 @ 0.00048096 = 5.9754 BTC [+] {2}

16:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00047551 = 17.7841 BTC [-] {3}

16:21

!b 5

16:21

Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VAET07.txt )

16:22

jurov almost done with slag. how's mining ?

16:23

too many tinies

16:23

ha. need teh bot for that huh.

16:24

ok who'll be the victim

16:25

the gun - is ready

16:25

or shall i simply post the latter.

16:28

mk ima go make a sig

16:35

ascii_field 902E0A937E00F2F84D1B73703572C40F85C5B2F7

16:35

!up ascii_field

16:35

mircea_popescu: didja upload it ?

16:35

ya

16:35

jurov come and get it.

16:36

not turning up

16:36

https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=902E0A937E00F2F84D1B73703572C40F85C5B2F7&op=index

16:36

No results found

16:37

well if it doesn't pop in half hour ima... what ? give you the pubkey ?

16:38

where did you upload?

16:38

all of em

16:38

hm.

16:40

mircea_popescu: how about this - http://dpaste.com/1WR12ZX.txt

16:40

... ( http://bit.ly/1MplFGR )

16:40

fire the weapon yourself.

16:41

(goes without saying, don't run on a box where pgp is used for anything else. it will strain your rng to all hell)

16:44

you missed the 0x

16:44

https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=0x902E0A937E00F2F84D1B73703572C40F85C5B2F7&op=index

16:44

Search results for '0x902e0a937e00f2f84d1b73703572c40f85c5b2f7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzTTMq )

16:44

all the spells must be recited with the proper intonation

16:44

l0l

16:49

https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x3572C40F85C5B2F7 << here we go

16:49

Search results for '0x3572c40f85c5b2f7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzUkGB )

16:49

fired with n=1000

16:49

alright so now i what, import it ?

16:49

just look at it.

16:49

...

16:49

what's that gonna do.

16:49

bloat.

16:50

i thought you were testing if the gpg crashes.

16:50

it may or may not, but not for 1000 !

16:50

i had no idea we actually need to verify it bloats.

16:50

just testing basic principle

16:50

alright.

16:51

iirc it was agreed that once we have a proper server these will crash and burn because well.

16:51

yeah, that is pretty annoying though. it's now a 200k public key..

16:51

*200kb

16:52

should be interesting to see media reports about the obama's preteen whore key.

16:53

O exchanges gpgrams with whores?

16:53

now mircea_popescu, find a fast machine with hardware rng and run n = 21474837. then, shoot it into pgp.mit.edu ...

16:53

apparently.

16:53

i read it in the atlantic so it must be true.

16:53

prolly will need a few days of runtime.

16:54

ascii_field *I* am to find machine with hardware rng ?

16:54

plus, some kinda DOS on any service that imports keys from a keyserver

16:54

i thought YOU MANUFACTURED THESE

16:54

aha

16:54

but walrus!

16:54

bloat keys to high hell, make service download and choke on them.

16:54

prolly smarter to do once we actually have one.

16:54

that's correctly implemented.

16:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00048097 = 19.6236 BTC [+]

16:55

it won't surprise me if this brings down sks as a thing.

16:56

ascii_field: pick me pick me

16:56

ben_vulpes: we already picked julia !

16:56

i hafta nuke this keyset anyways.

16:56

waiwat

16:57

subkeys. i hear they're no good.

16:58

*

mike_c ragequits

16:58

why rage !?

16:58

what'd i miss?

16:59

*

ben_vulpes suspects mike_c thinks that i'm not thinking for myself

16:59

ben_vulpes: you missed a quick demonstration of a factoid everyone already knew

16:59

(that anyone can take an arbitrarily-massive shit into sks)

16:59

that one can kill the sks?

17:01

ok this is the most insane thing i ever saw. so plumber, looks like he escaped comicon or something, dorkiest dude ever. but THEN he proceeds to CUT THROUGH METAL PLATE FREEHAND

17:01

mircea_popescu: what's so odd about that ?

17:01

by which i mean : he has a handheld powertool in one hand, and a four inch metal plate in the other hand, and he's cutting a shape out of it

17:01

laugh if you will but i attempted this as a wee one

17:01

what's odd about that is if i go "boo!" suddenly ima have to repaint two walls.

17:01

oh oh

17:02

if you wanna have more fun, make packet that triggers http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=commit;h=11fdfcf82bd8d2b5bc38292a29876e10770f4b0a

17:02

git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzWgiq )

17:02

some kind soul took pity on me and gave me their acetylene torch

17:02

thereby igniting a whole poorly advised career

17:02

lmao

17:02

punkman: lulzy, i recall this

17:04

Recent changes to the Division Clinton neighborhood have come at the expense of long time residents. With each new change, residents raise their concerns, only to be ignored. Then when the undesirable outcome materializes, the city proposes yet another change that further damages our quality of life. It was evident, when traffic and development projects came to Division, that these would result in more congestion along Clinton. Yet

17:04

those policies were pushed through. The biggest obstacle to safe biking on Clinton is the excess of parked cars. Will the new parking policies still under discussion help to address this? It seems like Clinton Street should be the number one priority for parking permits and removal of nonresident cars (including those coming from all the new multifamily development). This would be a better restriction than imposing more impediments on

17:04

local long-time residents ability to move around our neighborhood–it has become difficult enough, already!

17:04

ah it's hilarious

17:05

the "get the state involved to fix the states own mistakes" thing needs a doing. again.

17:05

i vote for this idea

17:05

i vote for wine!

17:05

what protected class is this "long time resident" thing anyway ?

17:05

who the fuck cares how long youy been there ?

17:05

waiwut

17:06

what even was this

17:06

!up ascii_field

17:06

those long term residents actually can predict the problems statal intervention will result in.

17:06

sounds like a good reason to hang them eh.

17:07

just price 'em out, replace with dumber fucks

17:07

any ustard that lives in the same place for more than five years is a failure anyway

17:07

isnt the country supposed to be upwards mobile ?

17:07

l0l that's in ru-vhs-usa

17:08

not the one i live in

17:08

ok, upwards alabama then

17:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00048187 = 27.6112 BTC [+] {4}

17:09

raaa

17:09

RAAA

17:09

...

17:09

.?.

17:10

i think maybe he got the joke.

17:10

ben_vulpes' computer caught fire

17:10

he cut it freehand with an electric toothbrush

17:10

see, i assumed 'freehand' == hacksaw

17:10

no, that's freetime

17:10

but perhaps mircea_popescu witnessed the famous and respected hero, Angle Grinder Man

17:11

i had not

17:11

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3112670.stm

17:11

BBC NEWS | UK | England | 'Superhero' takes on clampers ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJKAUS )

17:11

i never understood why he used the extremely obvious and needing-of-power grinder instead of a torch

17:11

probably because blighty

17:11

ben_vulpes: torch is bulky

17:11

you can get li battery powered grinders

17:12

and grinder may be loud, but you aren't robbing bank at night

17:12

you're sawing in the middle of the day, in a busy town

17:13

and prolly he wasn't paying for the grinder plates

17:14

<mircea_popescu> ok, upwards alabama then << That one is pronounced Mo-Bee-le

17:15

next he will tell us it isn't 'kensaw'

17:15

(or r-kansas...)

17:16

lol

~ 15 minutes ~

17:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00047883 = 9.8639 BTC [-]

17:32

BingoBoingo you've got 'qntsideration' mail

17:32

cazalla too

17:33

pete_dushenski: I got it in que

17:33

aha

17:33

cheers

17:35

deedbot-

[Qntra] AP: Hilary Clinton Horrible Sysadmin, Had RDP Open - http://qntra.net/2015/10/ap-hilary-clinton-horrible-sysadmin-had-rdp-open/

17:35

;;ticker

17:35

Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.26, Best ask: 250.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 250.18, 24 hour volume: 16433.21336409, 24 hour low: 244.0, 24 hour high: 253.43, 24 hour vwap: None

17:37

!up ascii_field

17:37

;;ticker --market all

17:37

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 249.78, vol: 26182.14431006 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 245.676, vol: 8878.11868 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 250.3, vol: 16433.21336409 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 259.5, vol: 8.33122595 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 254.266018, vol: 33893.64930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 249.0, vol: 106.98229745 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 251.47588861, vol: 47.97596527 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

17:37

;;more

17:37

251.232195033

17:38

deedbot-

[Qntra] Uber Provides Alibi for Armed Robbery - http://qntra.net/2015/10/uber-provides-alibi-for-armed-robbery/

17:46

Comment lol http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8164961&cid=50720551

17:46

Wayland Ported To DragonFlyBSD - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwKZU7 )

17:47

'You have the fucking time to fuck shit up. That is what you are saying. Most normal people on nights and weekends fuck their significant others, go to parks with the kids and enjoy life. But you spend your nights and weekends writing dog shit that fucks up my weeks. We are paid to fix the damage you do.' << mega-winner

17:47

worth reading whole thing.

17:47

"

17:47

Its too bad, in some way we, the normal people who do good things for ourselves and our customers and our employers, really have better job security with breaking fuckheads like you around. But I want to have our computers spend time you know curing cancer or designing a fusion reactor and doing useful shit rather than cleaning up after your dog shit"

17:48

trinque

GNU/Faggot no warranties expressed or implied in your fucking shit software << ahahaha yes

17:48

It's the rare actually interesting new comment on /. that isn't copypasta

17:49

Just in case https://archive.is/25A6m

17:49

Wayland Ported To DragonFlyBSD - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwLwpc )

17:49

incidentally, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034779

17:49

Logged on 26-02-2015 21:09:34; asciilifeform: PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp

17:49

FUCK this-replaces-x11-but-won't-pipe-over-tcp

17:51

yes, i get it, they want winblowz, gui-in-the-kernel crapolade

17:52

why should I want pipe x11 over tcp?

17:52

I like the irony of new graphicx stax requires X11 to run on top of in this port

17:52

punkman: you - no idea

17:52

punkman: me - i insist on it.

17:52

and WILL FUCKING INSIST

17:53

because i run proggy on machines connected by networks, what a concept

17:53

and want the graphics on local terminal

17:53

and no, not a FUCKING REMOTE DESKTOP

17:53

but for it to look THE SAME as if it were running local

17:53

x11 gives me this.

17:54

various 'shitlands' - no.

17:54

but there are other tools that can pipe the graphics over tcp, no?

17:54

no.

17:54

not in a generally applicable to everything way.

17:55

as it is, i can take x11 proggy and the result is ~indistinguishable~ from running it locally.

17:55

da fuck is all this.

17:55

glyphs, 'clipboard', viewport shape, the lot.

17:55

who told random usg tard that he is qualified to "cure cancer" or even get out of bed at all when he can't even run a clean system ?

17:55

what's this, worth through self-delusion ?

17:56

mircea_popescu: i haven't any idea who wrote the linked text. but clearly it is someone fed up with having to shovel the shit to create his local 'clean'.

17:57

mkay.

17:57

why is he using source he doesn't control from people he doesn't know ; and why does he imagine doing this is different from being on windows.

17:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00047481 = 22.9333 BTC [-] {5}

17:58

<mircea_popescu> why is he using source he doesn't control from people he doesn't know ; and why does he imagine doing this is different from being on windows. << Probably because Job

17:58

bitcoind is frozen on 0.5.x ; gpg is frozen on 1.4.x ; eulora is frozen in cs dependencies on X Y Z. guess why ?

17:58

because the alternative is sitting on a sharp broomstick ?

17:58

no it's not.

17:58

!up btcdrak

17:58

poor wild man controls nothing. what's he to use ?

17:58

from whom ?

17:58

but yes the alternative is giving up the delusion that derp belongs to a civilisation he once saw through a window.

17:58

FUCK THE POOR

17:58

the poor have no fucking rights to pretend like they're people.

17:59

you want to be people, don't be poor.

17:59

easier said, than done.

17:59

*

ascii_field still not people.

17:59

^

17:59

ascii_field and do you go "shit honey, check out our place, there's like... not even any chocolate fountain here" ?

17:59

"im unhappy and displeased"

18:00

'nah that's a geysering shitpipe, not chocolate'

18:00

because that's what i fucking read in there. "i'm poor and where's my chocolate fountain."

18:00

he wants to CURE CANCER ?

18:00

no cancer would even return his texts.

18:00

mircea_popescu: it is general-purpose american shorthand for 'something productive and cpu-bound'

18:00

no.

18:01

it is ustard proxy for "i can do anything"

18:01

no, you can't.

18:01

'but my cpu can!'

18:01

you can't do anything, ands you wouldn't know what to do on your own either. this is what being poor means

18:01

poor schmuck prolly used to 'folding-at-home' etc.

18:01

Perhaps my time would be better spent complaining less, and learning how chocolate fountains work.

18:01

not "not having money"

18:01

being poor = too dumb to put your shoes on, by yourself.

18:02

we have a more specific term, некультурный

18:02

is the last line in that rant "i'm so sick of you losers i'm going to go find a master to sleep at the feet of" ?

18:02

because if it isn't, fuck him.

18:02

(has very little, if anything, to do with money. can be it while having a billion)

18:03

"having"

18:03

under a certain level, the money'[s actually smarter than you.

18:03

aha.

18:07

i never knew i could equally hate both sides of a "debate" to the degree.

18:08

fucking ustards. everything they touch turns to shit both ways. it's like... a bunch of monkeys that invaded a temple, and now not only is everything covered in shit but you gotta listen to arguments in between the set of monkeys that believes in throwing the shit at the walls and the set of monkeys that believes in gently unctioning it on.

18:08

fucking hell you're all monkeys and you'd look so much better in quihabs i can't even describe it.

18:08

the "males" especially.

18:09

!up ascii_field

18:10

there is no temple.

18:10

perhaps there was in 1995.

18:10

today there is just a hut with walls made of straw & monkey shit.

18:10

labeled 'temple.'

18:10

don't give me that, i had computers that worked back when i was playing golden axe on them.

18:10

aha, 1995 !

18:10

*

ascii_field hums intro from 'goldenaxe'

18:11

didja ever finish that ?

18:11

sadly not.

18:11

to think that ibm pc was universally reviled like today systemd

18:11

jurov: i still revile it

18:11

ascii_field it had a solo mode remember that ? like, not the proper campaign, just a sort of duel chain.

18:11

yes!

18:11

the LAST item was TWO gold knight guys

18:11

once i managed to defeat them.

18:12

and... the game hung.

18:12

*

ascii_field takes off hat

18:12

my first overflow

18:12

which i shall never forget.

18:12

how far did you get ? the two laughing fat dudes with hammers ?

18:12

the two chicks on silver dragon/velociraptors ?

18:13

definitely past the hammers

18:13

ya those weren't terribly hard, kinda slow.

18:13

the short guy right ? with the axe ?

18:14

not hard. but my attention span was. and this was the time we finally got net access.

18:15

in unrelated lulz,

18:15

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/bugat-botnet-administrator-arrested-and-malware-disabled

18:15

Bugat Botnet Administrator Arrested and Malware Disabled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1VQPH0I )

18:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13966 @ 0.00047387 = 6.6181 BTC [-]

18:16

"Twitter has said it is cutting 336 jobs, roughly 8% of its global workforce, as part of a restructuring of the business. The job cuts will cost between $10m (£6.5m) and $20m in severance pay, while the restructuring will cost between $5m and $15m, the company said." << sex sells. except when it's a platform for sex.

18:16

heh

18:16

the real question is why did they need 4200 employees ?!

18:17

what did they ~do~

18:17

shoveling aforementioned shit

18:18

and probably a bunch of them trying to sell ads

18:18

;;calc 10000000/336.0

18:18

29761.9047619

18:18

mega-severance...

18:18

mostly going to conferences, selling adds, trying to hire more derps in fucktarded locations

18:18

think bitpay x 100 which is exactly what it was.

18:18

and i do mean EXACTLY.

18:19

it's not like a large rock is more complex than a smaller rock. they're rocks. exactly the same thing.

18:24

*

ascii_field bbl

18:24

30k is not really notable. that's about 6 months pay (taxes apply to severance too you know)

18:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87600 @ 0.00047422 = 41.5417 BTC [+] {4}

~ 35 minutes ~

19:03

"[Volkswagen] investments are to be reduced by some one billion euros per year, the efficiency program is to be accelerated." << never waste a good crisis. adios unionistas.

19:05

heh

19:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17445 @ 0.000478 = 8.3387 BTC [+]

19:14

http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/10/13/hic-sunt-flotsams-on-eulora-or-the-brand-new-foxymaps/ <<< if any gnuplot experts in audience would kindly improve on the script tyvm in advance.

19:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.000478 = 3.107 BTC [+]

19:25

http://i.imgur.com/D9FstTR.jpg

19:25

... ( http://bit.ly/1La1KxW )

19:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.000478 = 6.214 BTC [+]

19:29

lol\

19:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17225 @ 0.000478 = 8.2336 BTC [+]

19:41

"One London-based startup, called Everledger, is developing blockchain tools for the diamond industry, designed to log information on ethical sourcing, insurance claims, and theft investigations, associated with detailed digital descriptions of the valuable stones. CEO Leanne Kemp: "You would be able to identify whether those diamonds are truly certified or not certified," " << so like deedbot but less useful so

19:41

set to be buried by useless piles of vc crud. good riddance.

19:42

!up gabriel_laddel

19:42

gabriel_laddel

ty.

19:42

"As far as Overstock, which has said it plans to offer blockchain-recorded securities to a wider audience, Byrne says the company’s had productive talks with the agency so far. "I think," he says, "that they’re gonna let the crypto-revolution occur." " << oh pleeeease let it occur. with sugar on top.

19:42

who the fuck gives a shit about "sourcing" of diamonds outside a very cultish narrow segment of bored middle class art majors/social scientards ?

19:43

and who the fuck told these that a "blockchain technologee" works when a centrally controlled group like that is the only thing interested ?

19:44

buzzword+feelings(+ponzi)=profit

19:44

let me guess, if tomorrow the USG Comissar uh i mean Czar In Charge Of What This Particular Set Of Idle Fucktards Thinks says that the blockchain impedes great justice and should be edited so and so to promote "fairness" they'll... oppose ? resist ?

19:44

out of what, their rotten ovaries ?

19:44

it sorta lulzy how the usg actually has 'czar of xyz'

19:44

"it's a blockchain in excel on Sarah's computer"

19:44

go home.

19:45

as if this somehow made them more transparent and accountable

19:45

pete_dushenski it was intended as "ironic" usage, originally.

19:45

like all attempts at humor by the mentally stunted libertard class, it backfired something fierce.

19:45

shark was jump'ed

19:46

gabriel_laddel

asciilifeform: are you aware of any molecules with symmetries like [6,6] chiralane?

19:46

jumpèd << more shakespearian still

19:46

;;nethash

19:46

419034669.746

19:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7381 @ 0.000478 = 3.5281 BTC [+]

20:01

In other news, apparently reddit has had its own drug market for some time https://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsourcetalk

20:01

reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKcgJs )

20:10

steroids are still legal otc right ?

20:10

or notrly

20:12

In USia schedule III controlled, but because hippies dun like them rarely prosecuted outside of sports

20:12

Also Maybe VW really was evil: "If you're concerned about such estrogens, you may want to maintain a safe distance from trucks on the highway. That's because of research findings that diesel-fuel exhaust contains chemicals called alkylphenols, which interact with cellular estrogen receptors to exert potent estrogenic activity.3 Diesel exhaust particles have previously been linked to lung cancer, allergic rhinitis and asthma."

20:13

aha

20:13

Basically one of those US laws that helps Mexico's economy at the expense of its own

20:13

i thought pharma was mostly india

20:13

BingoBoingo wrapped in nafta shell, usually

20:13

Pharma mostly is, bu someone's gotta get the money at retail

20:14

tru

20:15

Steroids are the one US controlled class of drugs safer to get off of derpy website than derpy darknet market in the popular opinion

20:16

and yes, diesel exhaust fumes are gnarly. long reported to diminish quality of urban air quality. but reports were dismissed as not being 'politically correct' so not really that true. like led lightbulbs.

20:16

-1 quality

20:17

so is vw evil for finding a loophole ?

20:17

are bankers and their dark derivative pools evil for doing the same ?

20:17

pete_dushenski: No, VW is evil for pumping estrogenic chemicals in the air and cultivating SJWhales

20:17

yes, not doing what fucktard club expects you to do = individuality = evil.

20:18

BingoBoingo which they couldn't have done if 'carbon' wasn't the only thing idjits cared about

20:18

'co2/km' to be more accurate

20:18

i still don't even know wtf they mean by "carbon"

20:18

is it actually carbon dioxide and they just dunno what side their ass is buttered on ?

20:19

it's this metric and this alone that allowed diesels into the 21st century. outside of farms.

20:19

Diesel's kinda always been one of those things that's cool when you have it and sucks when other people do

20:19

mircea_popescu: co2 yes

20:19

but how do you know this punkman ?

20:19

BingoBoingo not THAT cool to have, is it ?

20:19

i mean, not disputing for a second it seems like a reasonable interpretation of their verbiage. the problem is that it's the verbiage of patently insae folk.

20:19

for all you know they mean nitric acid.

20:20

or methane

20:20

maybe they mean "any gas with specific gravity over 28"

20:20

pete_dushenski: Sure it is. Diesel 1977 Hilux with half the body rusted off > Aluminum gasoline F-150 King Ranch

20:20

what're you, isis ?

20:21

no srsly, all cars i owed back when i owed any were pretty much diesel.

20:21

mircea_popescu: well sure, the derps might not know what "carbon" actually refers to

20:21

90s is what made the diesel possible. meanwhile oil refineries kicked it out

20:21

pete_dushenski: Fine, Diesel Chevy Kodiak dressed like a car is cooler than gasoline truck, even when diesel truck dressed liek a car carries Obola

20:22

BingoBoingo the presidental gmc. aha.

20:22

mircea_popescu how did refineries kick out diesel ?

20:22

or why ?

20:22

you understand what diesel runs of right ?

20:23

off*

20:23

hm. not really.

20:23

yeah. ok. all fuel is produced through fractional distillation of oil.

20:23

ah this, yes.

20:23

this is exactly what it sounds like : oil is a mix of carbohydrates, you sort this by mass and cut it into slices.

20:24

specific technological considerations i am not prepared to discuss in detail made so there was a huge and apparently stable glut of diesel fuel on the market.

20:24

this lasted for almost 3 decades, peaking in the 90s.

20:24

it's gone now, mostly because newer refineries slice the column differently

20:25

diesel is one of the heavier layers iirc

20:25

(basically, you're burnhing the diesel as gasoline and have no fucking idea)\

20:25

well, heavier than gas yes.

20:25

so really, it's a case of derps follow technology while pretending to lend it.

20:25

if the glut continued, it'd be "fuck you and sniff diesel".

20:26

once the thing resolved they can hate diesel or beg for it, it's done.

20:26

pretending to lead it*

20:26

for that matter, retarded buffalo survival hunters imagined trhey're "directing" the herds.

20:26

and dune is chock full of "worm riding". because yeah, totally.

20:26

brb i gotta pilot planet earth a little.

20:29

then vw's (and several other, mostly german, automakers') pivot to electric propulsion seems like a way to absorb the laptop battery capacity that's in excess from kids buying smartphones and only smartphones.

20:30

that's a bit of a stretch

20:30

maybe that's a stretch given that i'm unsure how many laptops + spare batteries were sold 'at peak' vs. now

20:30

*

pete_dushenski goes to check data

20:30

<mircea_popescu> (basically, you're burnhing the diesel as gasoline and have no fucking idea)\ << You break it into smaller gasoline hydrocarbons with heat and pressure

20:30

right.

20:31

Still fractions the same way, but diesel and even tar fractions get cooked into gasoline

20:31

it's totally not a case of "if you're willing to put 15% ethanol in there anyway, like fucking hruschov wanted, fuck you and shut up, we'll paint it blue and you can pretend it's fine"

20:31

Agricultural diesel here is dyed pink

20:33

Long haul trucks here often get pulled over by the "Secretary of State (of Illinois)" police to check for the dye.

20:33

aha. i just meant, whatever, stick a label on it call it good.

20:33

lol, Nah. Real bueracracy is way ahead of you

20:34

lol. i'm an amateur huh ?

20:34

You think you know how bad USia is...

20:35

BingoBoingo: what other diesel colors do you have?

20:36

Well, there's the standard clear to yellow-ish. Some tanks produce a bit a blue-green tinge because infected...

20:39

The pink dye though is because it is exempt from the highway fund taxes

20:39

ANd the new low sulfur requirement

20:40

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8389523.stm "was capable of laundering 6.5m litres of fuel a year."

20:40

BBC News - Illegal fuel plant largest in NI ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMAskG )

20:41

(removing dyes)

20:44

;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1298386 << more specifically ?

20:44

Logged on 13-10-2015 23:46:07; gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: are you aware of any molecules with symmetries like [6,6] chiralane?

20:44

The operation succeeded.

20:46

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1298374 << nitwits who think that their resellable-for-penny-to-the-dollar debeers crud could somehow become valuable if given a spray of provenance perfume

20:46

Logged on 13-10-2015 23:42:57; mircea_popescu: who the fuck gives a shit about "sourcing" of diamonds outside a very cultish narrow segment of bored middle class art majors/social scientards ?

20:46

(how? what's to keep anyone from washing it? ask them - not me.)

20:47

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1298357 << so what ? it's still a bigger pile of benjies than i ever saw or expect to see on one table personally..

20:47

Logged on 13-10-2015 22:24:39; mircea_popescu: 30k is not really notable. that's about 6 months pay (taxes apply to severance too you know)

20:48

so go into drugs, you'll get so fucking tired of shoveling the crap...

20:48

and, it being a bonus vs salary, it's straight 'turkey-buying' money.

20:48

it's not a bonus in any sense. it's unemployment.

20:48

mircea_popescu: could just as 'easily' go into mars exploration.

20:50

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298399 << not in usa. mega-protectionist thing here.

20:50

Logged on 14-10-2015 00:13:36; mircea_popescu: i thought pharma was mostly india

20:50

it is smuggled in, yes

20:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298440 << 'cracking'

20:52

Logged on 14-10-2015 00:24:55; mircea_popescu: it's gone now, mostly because newer refineries slice the column differently

20:52

catalytic cleavage of heavier hydrocarbon into lighter.

~ 15 minutes ~

21:08

mircea_popescu: in usa, 'severance' typically means a lump sum of usd. 'unemployment' is something quite else (financed partly by a tax on the employer, partly by state, it is a meagre pension that one draws for precisely so long as one remains Officially unemployed.)

21:09

and ~only~ if one had been Officially registered as a full-time salaryman

21:09

(i and just about everyone i know in meatspace is a 'contractor' and never sees such a thing)

21:12

Officially unemployed too comes with an expiration date

21:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37153 @ 0.00047785 = 17.7536 BTC [-] {3}

21:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8447 @ 0.00047521 = 4.0141 BTC [-]

~ 28 minutes ~

21:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35218 @ 0.00047453 = 16.712 BTC [-] {3}

22:06

<mircea_popescu> steroids are still legal otc right ? << Reason why not in the US is starting to look more like no because, lol feminism

22:18

Apparently male birth control has been a thing longer than women's birth control, but the gubmint has just been depriving people of it

~ 25 minutes ~

22:43

!up liquidassets

~ 28 minutes ~

23:12

Butchery https://imgur.com/a/HkSxc

23:12

Pinball LED vs Incandescent - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKA67O )

23:20

Also, not quite news, but someone is finally trying decentralized mixer that's been planned since late 2012 at the latest http://bitcoin-p2pool.com/joinmarket_orderbook.html

23:20

JoinMarket Orderbook ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKAYt6 )

23:21

Also Binge eating disorder passes anorexia, schizophrenia, and epilepsy in direct mortality https://occupycorporatism.com/shocking-50-of-bariatric-surgery-patients-commit-suicide/

23:21

Shocking: 50% of Bariatric Surgery Patients Commit Suicide - Top US & World News | Susanne PoselTop US & World News | Susanne Posel ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKBabL )

~ 37 minutes ~

23:59

lol

23:59