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00:00	mircea_popescu	the problem is no longer "where to place the fab" but "where to find coders".
00:00	mircea_popescu	very substantially different.
00:00	asciilifeform	so who do i 'persuade' to replay 1970-2000 ?
00:00	mircea_popescu	who is different from where.
00:00	asciilifeform	and it isn't 'coders' in the sense of monkeys but actual people, who would be required.
00:00	mircea_popescu	THIS works for who.
00:00	mircea_popescu	no argument.
00:01	mircea_popescu	but if you ask me, i do not see ideal situation as "private island where 04938509348509834 SAM batteries and nukes, and purpose-built IC fab"
00:02	mircea_popescu	i see it as, "elaborate virus, makes targetted fab shit out our own gear "accidentally", we buy it as tailings for pennies"
00:02	nubbins`	oh ho
00:02	mircea_popescu	did i ever recount the very early "special order" scam romanians got hit with ? in like 91 ?
00:02	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is about as plausible as the virus scene from the infamously bad film 'independence day'
00:02	nubbins`	duod the alien computers obv used compatible tech
00:02	decimation	except, the fab software in question doesn't 'fail' like a biological thing, it 'fails' like a fragile machine, as in - it doesn't work at all
00:03	mircea_popescu	decimation depends on the code.
00:03	asciilifeform	and at any rate, it needs to happen N times, not 1.
00:03	mircea_popescu	and so it will.
00:03	decimation	and achieve substantial yeild
00:04	mircea_popescu	decimation 1% yield, as long as it's not your run, is fine isn't it.
00:04	mircea_popescu	even better than 99% yield.
00:04	asciilifeform	cuckoldry doesn't work on everything.
00:04	mircea_popescu	buy the duds, "sell them for scrap"
00:04	decimation	how do you gain title to the 100 units to get one working one?
00:04	mircea_popescu	most of them, anyway.
00:04	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, it does.
00:04	mircea_popescu	decimation buy them for scrap ?
00:04	mircea_popescu	they ARE garbage are they not.
00:04	asciilifeform	this is laughable to anyone who can be bothered to learn even the basics of how such a plant is run.
00:04	decimation	wait, I thought they were 'dual use'
00:05	mircea_popescu	decimation the plant not the boards.
00:05	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do tell ?
00:05	nubbins`	asciilifeform it's like a blue jeans factory, they have a "factory seconds" shop out front
00:05	nubbins`	and another in bangor
00:05	mircea_popescu	(and ftr, the island thing is laughable too. we're doing lolz here)
00:05	decimation	well for one thing, each and every 'run' of a modern chip requires milllions in setup fees
00:05	asciilifeform	just when i didn't think that anyone could conceive of a less plausible scene than the island...
00:05	mircea_popescu	(just, THIS lolz you're better equipped to appreciate, not being gunnery sgts or w/e)
00:06	mircea_popescu	decimation so ?
00:06	asciilifeform	no need to be a professional artillerist to see the absurdity of 'shoot everything that moves in the sea' hypothetical
00:06	decimation	literally tens of thousands of indians/chinese are employed testing the output of each run
00:06	asciilifeform	of each -layer-
00:06	mircea_popescu	decimation so ? they know it failed.
00:06	mircea_popescu	what now ?
00:07	decimation	why would they risk revealing their ip by selling dud units
00:07	mircea_popescu	huh ?
00:07	asciilifeform	the number of not-entirely-brainless people that would have to be duped simultaneously is large.
00:07	mircea_popescu	what, they do the melting down in house ?
00:07	decimation	absolutely they do
00:07	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not more than say for your dr. lezzie theory above.
00:07	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu might imagine that the fab is a largely automatic affair, but this is not so
00:07	mircea_popescu	decimation i'll bet you they subcontract it away
00:08	nubbins`	now you gotta own an Iron Mountain franchise too?
00:08	mircea_popescu	and if they don't presently...
00:09	mircea_popescu	nubbins` wut ?!
00:09	asciilifeform	i can see mircea_popescu's scenario playing out -with bribery- rather than elaborate crapware
00:09	mircea_popescu	the word bribe was in there.
00:09	asciilifeform	in fact, this is quite like the thread from my first contact with #b-a
00:09	asciilifeform	or one of them, anyway, where i theorized that the bulk of mining power is produced in exactly this way
00:09	mircea_popescu	anyway, point being : we don't construct a new earth.
00:10	mircea_popescu	we repurpose the extant one.
00:10	mircea_popescu	sorry to disappoint the settlers.
00:10	decimation	even with bribery, it would take a very large dole and a tight organization
00:10	mircea_popescu	right
00:10	asciilifeform	i for one would settle for autonomous food-n-shelter-tron
00:10	asciilifeform	could probably come up with a fab. in time...
00:10	mircea_popescu	but CHEAPER THAN ISLAND
00:11	decimation	that's not obvious to me at all
00:11	mircea_popescu	really ?
00:11	decimation	how much do you think pitcairn island costs
00:11	mircea_popescu	here we go again with this nominalist fallacy.
00:11	asciilifeform	decimation: it may as well be in center of washington
00:11	asciilifeform	decimation: for all the sovereignty the 'title' of the island gets you.
00:11	asciilifeform	or which 'cost' was spoken of
00:11	mircea_popescu	you'd have to buy midway to get the 2k miles you want
00:11	decimation	in the case of pitcairn, it is 'self-governing' with 60 voters
00:11	mircea_popescu	how much does midway cost ?
00:12	mircea_popescu	it's self governing like ukraine is self-governing.
00:12	decimation	obviously usg aint' selling
00:12	decimation	(midway is a nature preserve now)
00:12	asciilifeform	also recall the 'seastead' thread
00:12	mircea_popescu	decimation uk fashion, this
00:12	asciilifeform	(there is a subculture of folks who imagine that going to see somehow rids you of usg)
00:12	mircea_popescu	how to suspend laws ? o i know, turn it into a forest!!1
00:12	asciilifeform	*to sea
00:12	nubbins`	sealand!
00:13	decimation	george bush turned 2000 miles of territory west of hawaii into a forest
00:16	decimation	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papah%C4%81naumoku%C4%81kea_Marine_National_Monument
00:16	assbot	Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwRTLD )
00:17	mircea_popescu	lol
00:17	decimation	" It is slightly larger than Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, approximately the size of the country of Germany, and just slightly smaller than Montana."
00:17	asciilifeform	wai wat
00:18	decimation	and you are right, the enviro-nazis who heavily influence usg want to turn it into a forest precisely to suspend all law
00:19	decimation	asciilifeform: usg owns all the islands from hawaii to midway
00:20	asciilifeform	it also owns europe
00:20	asciilifeform	what of it
00:21	decimation	perhaps in a few decades when france has collapsed sufficiently, it would be possible to seize an island from french polynesia
00:21	asciilifeform	... and do what on it?
00:22	asciilifeform	you can already 'seize' a ship-sized 'island' from... the sea
00:22	asciilifeform	it doesn't buy you sovereignty
00:22	asciilifeform	or autarky
00:24	mircea_popescu	i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing.
00:24	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: because everybody wants to get the fuck away from the buggers
00:24	asciilifeform	and likes to imagine that there is a place to go
00:25	asciilifeform	where there is something more to do than dig own grave
00:25	decimation	aye
00:27	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> where there is something more to do than dig own grave << Like keep one's coffin afloat
00:28	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. << Because hell is other people, "Get off my lawn", and other sorts of dissatisfaction with the rest of the human race
00:28	mircea_popescu	aha
00:28	asciilifeform	^
00:28	mircea_popescu	maybe a little bit in there of racial memory. "last time this worked we did it on boats"
00:28	asciilifeform	this also.
00:28	mircea_popescu	nobody proposes toi, you know, move to mongolia
00:28	mircea_popescu	or kansas. which would be more practical.
00:28	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: think for a minute
00:29	asciilifeform	the absolute innermost circle of hell is the company of other -poor people-
00:29	asciilifeform	boat is a machine for being poor without having to endure poor people.
00:29	mircea_popescu	but it's empty.
00:29	mircea_popescu	fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ?
00:29	mircea_popescu	go to novosibiirks and walk.
00:29	mircea_popescu	you have any idea how deserted it gets ?
00:30	asciilifeform	if you start conducting anti-usg commerce there, your immediate vicinity will eventually get slightly less empty.
00:30	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ? << This is a point. And on land unlike on sea one can travel even if deprived of vehicle.
00:30	asciilifeform	in alaska, or in greenland, or in the pacific ocean.
00:30	mircea_popescu	no. because in alaska you can live, and live well, and alone.
00:30	mircea_popescu	in ocean you, not being either fish or seal, drown.
00:30	asciilifeform	perelman, possibly could.
00:30	mircea_popescu	eh get out.
00:31	mircea_popescu	and no, vicinty would not get less empty.
00:31	mircea_popescu	police is in town BECAUSE THOSE DERPS LIVED THERE ANYWAY
00:31	mircea_popescu	where there's no derps, the usg does not magic some into place.
00:31	asciilifeform	aha and usg herbicide runs over the coke fields of colombia never happened ?
00:31	asciilifeform	usg is perfectly happy to magic into the right place
00:32	mircea_popescu	you wisah to grow cocaine on your island ?!
00:32	asciilifeform	as a hypothetical
00:32	asciilifeform	litmus test, so to speak, of sovereignty
00:32	mircea_popescu	srsly ?
00:32	asciilifeform	or nukes, if you like
00:32	mircea_popescu	well, if that's the standard i guess the south east of russia then, definitely.
00:32	asciilifeform	can you work on a plausible thermonuke in your kingdom? if yes, then sovereign.
00:32	mircea_popescu	between tashkent and fuckwascalled
00:33	mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Lenin_named_square_-_Tashkent_1982.jpg << there. how about that lol.
00:33	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BwVyci )
00:33	mircea_popescu	notice anything ?
00:34	mircea_popescu	"o, is that an airport ?" "no, it's a mall."
00:34	asciilifeform	road for tanks
00:34	asciilifeform	and airstrip when it wants.
00:36	asciilifeform	at any rate, i must confess that i've forgotten what kind of puzzle all of this was intended to be a solution to.
00:37	asciilifeform	if it's 'get out of usg', this is rather like learning that your house has roaches and answering by looking for some small corner which, as of yet, does not have any roaches therein
00:37	mircea_popescu	it was merely my curiosity as to "why island"
00:37	BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/03/paypal-settles-with-us-for-sanctions-violations/
00:37	assbot	PayPal Settles With US For Sanctions Violations | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwWnls )
00:37	mircea_popescu	which seems akin to jews reacting to all the propaganda by building auschwitz by themselves.
00:37	mircea_popescu	lawl.
00:38	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i can speak only for myself, but i live by 'hell is other people'
00:38	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo why not "this casts doubt on the overall viability of the USD as a unit of account and medium of payment" etc ?
00:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92500 @ 0.00025626 = 23.7041 BTC [+] {2}
00:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sea is very poor solution ot this, seeing how its very demanding nature GUARANTEES you need other people.
00:39	mircea_popescu	to prefer a solution that clearly will not work, and by necessity, over a solution that clearly does in fact work is one definition of insanity.
00:39	asciilifeform	specially-selected other people. but otherwise yes
00:39	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That comes in next story on not-Bitcoins behaving badly.
00:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no longer a solution to your stated problem.
00:40	asciilifeform	i suspect that most 'boat people' would actually rather be mircea_popescu, but you can go and buy a boat. you cannot buy 'be mircea_popescu'
00:40	mircea_popescu	but merely because yo ucan buy something...
00:40	mircea_popescu	i mean why not buy a can of sprayable cheese then ?
00:40	mircea_popescu	spray some on door.
00:40	asciilifeform	people with limited imagination actually dream of attainable things
00:40	asciilifeform	believe or not!
00:41	mircea_popescu	cheaper things that also do not work could be had...
00:41	asciilifeform	i know, it's mind-boggling
00:41	asciilifeform	'here have this brick'
00:41	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034997
00:41	assbot	Logged on 26-02-2015 22:21:49; asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto
00:41	mircea_popescu	aha.
00:42	mircea_popescu	by the way : it is perhaps worth pointing out, for the benefit of the younger who certainly do not read, and understand even less than what they read, that the jewish ghetto was a ghetto before hitler.
00:42	mircea_popescu	that is to say, for some reason if left to their own devices jews especially in europe dwelled in the most insalubrious, asian arrangements conceivable.
00:42	*	asciilifeform thought that this was well-known.
00:42	mircea_popescu	well you never know.
00:45	asciilifeform	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-z-chesnoff/ema-film-unfinishedem-the_b_682030.html? << i watched this film. and i happen to know how to read, and know that the restaurants existed.
00:45	assbot	<em>A Film Unfinished</em>: The Warsaw Ghetto As Seen Through Nazi Eyes | Richard Z. Chesnoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwY1DA )
00:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79198 @ 0.00025752 = 20.3951 BTC [+] {3}
00:45	asciilifeform	'Horrifying snippets of it have appeared over the years: a starving child dying on the streets of the Ghetto while other Jews walk by or still others dine on meals at well stocked restaurants that never existed' '
00:45	asciilifeform	^ crock'o'shit
00:46	asciilifeform	the collaborationists were amply supplied, even with caviar, almost until the end.
00:46	asciilifeform	between them and the black-marketeers, enough to feed a regiment.
00:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14552 @ 0.00025942 = 3.7751 BTC [+]
00:47	mircea_popescu	myeah.
00:47	asciilifeform	why did the author of the article find it necessary to insert this howler, i wonder
00:47	asciilifeform	'never existed'
00:56	nubbins`	yeah, this boot via tftp is pretty dope.
00:58	mircea_popescu	because he thinks he knows thing, asciilifeform
00:58	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/maripostas/ << here, exact same problem.
00:58	assbot	Maripostas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx0iP3 )
00:58	mircea_popescu	read the clerk in shop part.
01:11	BingoBoingo	WTF they hash their inventory?
01:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171400 @ 0.00025874 = 44.348 BTC [-] {2}
01:20	mircea_popescu	de facto.
01:20	mircea_popescu	turn HerpenStock Ultra Plus into Herpnstk Ult P
01:20	mircea_popescu	it's a hash innit ? shitty one but nevertheless
01:27	BingoBoingo	lol
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01:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 311250 @ 0.00026011 = 80.9592 BTC [+] {4}
02:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.0002552 = 26.3877 BTC [-] {2}
02:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34645 @ 0.00025512 = 8.8386 BTC [-]
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02:30	mircea_popescu	http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60691727.jpg
02:30	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NgnfNX )
02:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00025695 = 29.7291 BTC [+] {2}
02:37	felipelalli	Guys, I just wrote an article about BTCJam: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/btcjam-e-genericos-nao-use/
02:37	assbot	BTCJam e genéricos: não use | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgoLjc )
02:38	felipelalli	Thank you for all, and thanks mircea_popescu
02:39	felipelalli	I have to sleep, here 3:40 AM. I'll see your feedback later.
02:40	mircea_popescu	http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists.
02:40	assbot	Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTc5Mf )
02:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219925 @ 0.00024899 = 54.7591 BTC [-] {4}
02:50	pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/27/lets-do-health-care/
02:52	pete_dushenski	wd on the logs today gents!
02:55	pete_dushenski	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073280 << if #b-a ever had a tagline, this'd be it.
02:55	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 00:13:13; mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.
02:56	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform thinking on the ghetto stuff... it would perhaps not be inconceivable that the contemporaneous jewish obsession with socialism is derived from the utter failure of their previous, individualistic, capitalist approach.
02:56	mircea_popescu	overcompensation if you will, against the thing that produced the "train ticket sold for diamonds" as well as the "i'm fine, even have caviar, what if the world is coming apart"
02:57	mircea_popescu	which may even explain the "civilised world" obsession with same, if one subscribes to the theory that hey, said world's been doing nothing but cribbing the jews since whatever, 500ad.
02:57	mircea_popescu	in this worldview, the completely insane political construction of "the state of israel" suddenly makes sense, and a lot of it. key to perpetuating the welfare state - no peace in palestine.
02:59	mircea_popescu	and for that matter, once one end's threatened, tptb would increase the pressure on the sore spot - hence all the realignment behind palestine these days.
02:59	mircea_popescu	chiefly by us - the socialist entity most threatened in its socialism.
03:00	pete_dushenski	i can see that.
03:00	mircea_popescu	o hay p
03:00	pete_dushenski	hey!
03:00	pete_dushenski	the jewish thinking being: if we're all the same, no one will notice that jews != gentiles
03:01	pete_dushenski	so ya, there's "no colour, no gender" etc.
03:01	mircea_popescu	i thought that was the idea behind "hygienic" circumcision
03:02	pete_dushenski	if one is to ascribe any purpose to it
03:02	pete_dushenski	other than "do this to prove your faith"
03:02	mircea_popescu	i suppose cutting bits of genitals is the sort of thing that's interesting enough to explain itself,
03:02	pete_dushenski	right. like not eating delicious pork.
03:02	pete_dushenski	prove that you're strong enough to abstain, strong enough to slice nuts, etc.
03:03	mircea_popescu	pork's not *that* great.
03:03	mircea_popescu	lobster tho. fucking insanity.
03:03	pete_dushenski	eh really ? shellfish does't do it for me
03:03	pete_dushenski	pulled pork and bacon though... yum!
03:04	pete_dushenski	though not "canadian back bacon"
03:04	pete_dushenski	that shit's weird.
03:05	mircea_popescu	"Ganhava um pouco, e perdia muito. Meu saldo final, depois de muito trabalho e tempo, foi APR de -13.27% aos investimentos atrelados ao dólare e +6,44% em bitcoin."
03:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.0002352 = 8.6318 BTC [-]
03:05	pete_dushenski	either way, the hygienic hypothesis for circumcision, shellfish, and trichinella breeders is very modern.
03:05	pete_dushenski	and not the least bit supported by history
03:05	mircea_popescu	gain a little, lose a lot. i made -13% apr on usd, +6.5% in btc.
03:06	mircea_popescu	;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that.
03:06	gribble	The operation succeeded.
03:13	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron "Essa frase foi simplesmente perfeita." < you can nao put on your blog lol
03:14	pete_dushenski	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074043 << a trillion ain't what she used to be.
03:14	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 03:17:35; asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire'
03:15	pete_dushenski	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074075 << jamaicans next door ?
03:15	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 03:40:12; mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people...
03:15	mircea_popescu	not even.
03:15	mircea_popescu	i think they just burned like a bale orsomething.
03:16	pete_dushenski	maybe their hair ?
03:17	pete_dushenski	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074080 << taleb has his 'black swan horizons universa etf'
03:17	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 03:42:59; mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013
03:18	mircea_popescu	nah nah
03:18	mircea_popescu	was some random guy with a secular short fund that keep rolling options
03:18	mircea_popescu	had some success... in the 90s.
03:18	pete_dushenski	question: what makes a fund 'secular' ?
03:20	mircea_popescu	in this case i just meant, long term.
03:20	mircea_popescu	it's quant for "forever", which means whatever, over a decade i guess.
03:21	mircea_popescu	"secular trend" = "it was a trend before i was in business"
03:21	pete_dushenski	aok. i'd heard the term, but it never really meant anything to me
03:22	pete_dushenski	turns out, "before i was in business" doesn't actually mean shit anyways!
03:22	pete_dushenski	either way, ty.
03:22	mircea_popescu	in general it should mean either, if used as a time indication, to do with centuries, or else, esp if used in a religious setting, a synonym for "temporal", ie, not divine.
03:24	pete_dushenski	this just being in the context of trends ? or how else can it be used ? other than "secular society"
03:26	mircea_popescu	but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c21187c5471edd7c3b5aa85b967902fc/tumblr_ndhj805tOr1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg
03:26	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CsFg89 )
03:26	mircea_popescu	;;google secularisation
03:26	gribble	Secularization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularization>; secularisation - definition of secularisation by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/secularisation>; Secularisation Theory: Will Modern Society Reject Religion? What is ...: <http://www.humanreligions.info/secularisation.html>
03:27	pete_dushenski	gotcha
03:29	mircea_popescu	introducing... the electric rapestation. http://40.media.tumblr.com/624a2dd83f83285420502e29365132e7/tumblr_nix7jyFzTs1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg
03:30	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CfUMD7 )
03:36	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: is the new trilema header of you with a jacket over your shoulder or are you pointing at the camera/reader ?
03:36	mircea_popescu	the ambiguity makes for a good pic neh ?
03:37	pete_dushenski	in a "under-bridge stencil" sort of way, i suppose ;)
03:38	mircea_popescu	:p
03:44	pete_dushenski	bon soir b-a!
03:47	cazalla	friday afternoon, beer and the release of pillars of eternity.. gg!
03:53	mircea_popescu	is it any good ?
04:02	cazalla	mircea_popescu, only just started but the char creation has plenty of customization
04:02	mircea_popescu	aha
04:02	mircea_popescu	unity engine huh.
04:03	mircea_popescu	but i guess for this sort of thing it's actually ideal.
04:06	mircea_popescu	More interestingly, ChangeTip doesn't even actually use Bitcoin -- it maintains a centralized, internal ledger of "who" has "how many bits" and then, when the user is ready to cash out, pockets the ledger-balance of "bits" and delivers dollars to their banking account. At no point in the entire process is a user does a user ever actually have to touch bitcoin, and at no point in the entire process of tipping is any mon
04:06	mircea_popescu	ey actually being moved around on the blockchain. Essentially, ChangeTip is a Bitcoin-based startup that in no way utilizes Bitcoin, save for the fanatical frenzy of the community of bagholders.
04:06	mircea_popescu	ahaha epic.
04:07	mircea_popescu	the only problem with that statement is that "a community" consisting of some third worlders hired by a local company hired by a vc flea hired by a usg flea is really not all that much.
04:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220800 @ 0.00023405 = 51.6782 BTC [-] {3}
04:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196800 @ 0.00022477 = 44.2347 BTC [-] {2}
04:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234568 @ 0.00025274 = 59.2847 BTC [+] {2}
04:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265432 @ 0.000262 = 69.5432 BTC [+]
04:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 948467 @ 0.00025977 = 246.3833 BTC [-] {5}
04:31	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
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04:40	BingoBoingo	;;more
04:41	gribble	245.712418481
04:50	BingoBoingo	!up Asa9t1
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05:30	cazalla	mircea_popescu, what's wrong with unity? this game is preddy good btw
05:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 206650 @ 0.00026765 = 55.3099 BTC [+] {3}
05:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215250 @ 0.000265 = 57.0413 BTC [-]
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06:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194823 @ 0.00026984 = 52.571 BTC [+] {3}
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07:56	danielpbarron	height=300528 vs height=217406
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08:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 78 @ 0.01409741 = 1.0996 BTC [-] {6}
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08:53	jurov	http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://iyouport.com/archives/25775&prev=search
08:53	assbot	Google Translate ... ( http://bit.ly/1yim7Rb )
08:54	jurov	"China was unable to block Github because of the huge cost to its technology industry."
08:58	nubbins`	canada was unable to ban marijuana because everybody fuckin smokes it
09:01	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists. <<< "it isn't hard to get candy. all i do is go to granny's house, since granny keeps candy there for me. i mention that i love candy and wait. i've also used my aunt, left my mouth open, gone into a torpor, only to be awoken later by the gummy bears. some of the hottest food ever.
09:01	assbot	Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5RGVI )
09:04	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> pork's not *that* great. <<< ah get out
09:05	nubbins`	<+pete_dushenski> though not "canadian back bacon" <<< you mean ham? :D
09:06	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. <<< big spender!
09:13	nubbins`	pete_dushenski http://i.imgur.com/z1q3Uc5.png heehee!
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09:13	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D5UodO )
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09:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178400 @ 0.00026868 = 47.9325 BTC [-] {2}
09:59	nubbins`	so this truck was seen speeding towards the airport in ukraine earlier today: http://i.imgur.com/tu9LLzF.jpg
09:59	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OCY0Hc )
09:59	nubbins`	black ops
10:02	mats	lol.
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10:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109000 @ 0.000265 = 28.885 BTC [-]
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10:49	thestringpuller	jurov: http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30d6h1/a_rbuttcoin_thread_about_changetip_you_should/cprl0nk << what the actual fuck?!?!?
10:49	thestringpuller	some people are so dumb.
10:49	nubbins`	;;later tell asciilifeform ado says 1000 @ $15ea, bout the same as other guy
10:49	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:54	mod6	!t m s.mpoe
10:54	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00015665 / 0.00023305 / 0.00027047 (8535021 shares, 1,989.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024306 / 0.00030019 (16754205 shares, 4,072.42 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00033332 / 0.0004493 (88257024 shares, 29,418.70 BTC)
10:59	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf
10:59	assbot	A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxec9q )
10:59	*	nubbins` gasps for air
11:00	mike_c	that is oddly disturbing
11:01	mod6	i like the BTC truck
11:05	Adlai	3way fswap?
11:13	nubbins`	!up Chillum
11:13	nubbins`	hi
11:13	Chillum	thanks
11:13	nubbins`	np
11:13	nubbins`	!up Uglux
11:14	nubbins`	https://www.sparkfun.com/ArduinoDay2015
11:15	assbot	Arduino Day 2015 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxeRI9 )
11:15	nubbins`	!s cardano entropy
11:15	assbot	8 results for 'cardano entropy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+entropy
11:16	nubbins`	!s cardano from:asciilifeform
11:16	assbot	74 results for 'cardano from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+from%3Aasciilifeform
11:16	nubbins`	^ some links to start you out, Chillum
11:16	nubbins`	(not the sparkfun one, that was a general share)
11:16	Chillum	interesting
11:18	nubbins`	also http://trilema.com/cardano-xmas-blown-other-statements
11:18	assbot	Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxf1iy )
11:18	nubbins`	comments have some dieharder test results
11:19	nubbins`	"Sum-up : 73 tests performed. Cardano RNG : Failed 2, Weak 5, Passed 66. Radioactive decay : Failed 9, Weak 13, Passed 51. Now go take your current entropy source, put it through diehard and see what happens. "
11:19	Chillum	5% will not pass by chance in general
11:20	Chillum	one must run the same test many times on different data, only if a test is failing reliably or more than likely by chance is there a problem
11:20	Chillum	the radioactive decay looks like it has issues but that is likely due to the sampling methodology
11:22	Chillum	while the average rate of radioactive decay is predictable the actual moment of a given decay is very uncertain
11:22	Chillum	any pattern is likely due to sampling bias or an external source of energy
11:27	nubbins`	i think you'll fit in here
11:27	nubbins`	say, you in the wot?
11:27	nubbins`	!gettrust chillum
11:27	assbot	chillum is not registered in WoT.
11:28	nubbins`	^ grab a pgp key and wrap up
11:28	Chillum	oh I will fix that
11:28	nubbins`	try /msg assbot !register or smth
11:28	nubbins`	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
11:28	assbot	irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )
11:29	Chillum	;;ident
11:29	gribble	Nick 'Chillum', with hostmask 'Chillum!~highinbc@wikipedia/Chillum', is identified as user 'Chillum', with GPG key id FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, key fingerprint 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, and bitcoin address 1CHiLLUm1p2CzQrDPB1Tgs3t3jVbuBH1y3
11:29	nubbins`	Chillum assbot's wot split from gribble's a while back
11:29	Chillum	oh
11:29	nubbins`	you can use your current key, try !register <fingerprint>
11:30	Chillum	!register 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E
11:30	assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E. This may take a few moments.
11:30	assbot	Key EAC2A55E / "HighInBC/H/Until(1 == 2)/Chillum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chillum)" successfully imported.
11:30	assbot	Registration successful.
11:31	nubbins`	woo
11:31	nubbins`	!down Chillum
11:31	nubbins`	now /msg assbot !up
11:31	nubbins`	then /msg assbot !verify <decrypted otp>
11:32	nubbins`	!rate chillum 1 a person
11:32	assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b58f141837e2e284
11:32	nubbins`	!verify assbot:nubbins`.rate.chillum.1:aa3ec119b01dd0d523b9536191515784648cf75065d1860a9ec818dafce20f00
11:32	assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for chillum with note: a person
11:32	nubbins`	have at 'er
11:34	Chillum	got it
11:34	nubbins`	welcome
11:34	Chillum	good to be a person
11:34	Chillum	in the eyes of assbot
11:34	nubbins`	tell me about it, hey?
11:36	nubbins`	anyway, poor asciilifeform has been testing the cardano boards like a madman lately
11:36	nubbins`	in between constructing a pick-n-place in his house
11:36	nubbins`	and i think he has a job too 8)
11:37	Chillum	how do they interface? Do they have serial out?
11:37	*	Chillum can just google it lol
11:38	nubbins`	http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/
11:38	assbot	S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlHY0Q )
11:38	nubbins`	careful, you'll run out of credits if you click too many links ;p
11:40	Chillum	the major flaw with most HWRNGs is the lack of failure detection
11:41	nubbins`	nod
11:41	asciilifeform	actually the most glaring flaw with virtually all hardware rng is lack of auditability.
11:41	nubbins`	oh here we go, someone qualified can take over
11:41	asciilifeform	actually on my way somewhere, so will have to happen later.
11:41	nubbins`	:D
11:42	Chillum	lol, that zap switch will burn out the EPROM if used for too long
11:42	Chillum	they have a limited number of writes
11:42	nubbins`	nothin' lasts forever!
11:43	Chillum	other than auditability how could one detect a subtle failure?
11:43	Chillum	I like that it uses 2 trngs through a xor gate. Often that is implemented in software with two devices
11:44	Chillum	asciilifeform: This is what started nubbins` and I on the conversation: http://static.highinbc.com/20150313_194522.jpg
11:44	Chillum	it is using the hwrng in a raspberry pi
11:45	Chillum	I wrote the code myself, it calls vanitygen pointed to the hwrng
11:45	Chillum	well I am using rng-tools to point /dev/hwrng to /dev/random
11:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.000265 = 17.278 BTC [-]
11:50	danielpbarron	Chillum, what is that device in the picture?
11:50	danielpbarron	it looks like a newer version of the piper thing
11:51	Chillum	It is a raspberry pi connected to a button and a tty receipt printer
11:51	Chillum	it was from a kit meant to printer a twitter feed in real time
11:51	Chillum	I started with a fresh OS and wrote the bitcoin wallet printer
11:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0002701 = 5.9692 BTC [+]
11:51	danielpbarron	woah, that twitter thing sounds cool
11:51	Chillum	a cheap offline computer for printer paper wallets
11:52	Chillum	danielpbarron: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1289
11:52	assbot	Adafruit IoT Pi Printer Project Pack - Includes Raspberry Pi ID: 1289 - $189.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlIZpO )
11:52	Chillum	you can get the parts way cheaper
11:52	danielpbarron	have you seen this? -> https://piperwallet.com/gallery.php
11:52	assbot	Piper: A Bitcoin paper wallet printer. Securely backup & store your digital currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlJ5Of )
11:52	Chillum	it is a $40 printer and a $35 Pi, a power supply a button some wires and a case
11:53	Chillum	hehe I did not know about that
11:53	Chillum	and here I thought I was being clever
11:53	danielpbarron	newp
11:53	Chillum	looks like the same printer too
11:53	danielpbarron	i've had a piper printer for a couple years now i think
11:53	danielpbarron	i sorta bricked it
11:54	Chillum	Still, I will always write my own paper wallet software that uses vanitygen. You never know if some 3rd party programmed it to only make 500 million keys and has then precomputed
11:54	danielpbarron	probably fixable but i wouldn't want to actually send funds to any address it produces anyway
11:54	danielpbarron	yeah i was trying to get mine to pull from a list of pre-generated addresses that i supplied
11:54	danielpbarron	in addition to modifying the artwork
11:54	Chillum	if you limit your generator to a smaller keyspace that you precompute then you don't need a backchannel of communications
11:55	Chillum	If you want that then use a deterministic wallet
11:55	Chillum	unlimited keys with the advantage of backup.
11:55	danielpbarron	meh
11:55	Chillum	but really I want mine to forget right away. I have no swap and do everything in RAM
11:55	danielpbarron	i liked it for handing out freebies to people i met
11:55	Chillum	no temp files, the user running it has read only access to the drive
11:55	danielpbarron	but i'm done with that spammy nonsense
11:56	nubbins`	freebie handouts
11:56	nubbins`	not a great way to make people care, hey?
11:56	Chillum	I am pretty sure I am not writing to disk. No flashing green light
11:56	Chillum	I did a scan for keystrings and did not find them
11:57	Chillum	nubbins`: If I gave out bitcoin samples it would be in the form of a coupon that expires. If you just give out wallets half the people will throw them out
11:57	Chillum	have some service that lets them claim it if they are actually interested
11:57	danielpbarron	yeah i should have let mine save the private keys
11:58	nubbins`	just give em a privkey, and take the money back if it's still there after x days :P
11:58	danielpbarron	and told people i'd sweep the funds back after X time
11:58	Chillum	nubbins`: what if they add to the key???
11:58	danielpbarron	now i'm responsible for some "burned" coins forever bloating the tx pool :<
11:58	nubbins`	score
11:58	Chillum	lol
11:59	danielpbarron	oo, instead of twitter feed, i could make one of these print MPEx stocks
11:59	Chillum	Before I was using a perl script that made a png that I printed on my laser printer and deleted. Sooo copy on my hard drive, copy on my printer, copy going over my network to the printer. I said "There has to be a better way"
11:59	Chillum	I feel much safer with my offline printer
11:59	Chillum	yes, it can do pretty much anything
12:00	Chillum	the python library makes it fairly easy to use too
12:00	Chillum	text is as simple as printer.println("This is text")
12:00	nubbins`	that's heat sensitive paper?
12:00	Chillum	ya
12:00	nubbins`	hope ya don't store those long-term :D
12:00	Chillum	dirt cheap, but don't get the printouts hot
12:00	nubbins`	yah
12:00	nubbins`	even time will fade em
12:00	Chillum	I have a plastic card printer for long term wallets
12:00	nubbins`	oh, nice.
12:00	Chillum	like ID style
12:00	nubbins`	always wanted one
12:01	nubbins`	not so much since i turned 19
12:01	Chillum	images need to be converted into 2 bit bitmap but there are examples online
12:01	Chillum	The EPPSON R280 is what you want
12:01	Chillum	out of production but still on ebay
12:01	Chillum	you need to replace the DVD tray with a card tray from a Chinese company that also sells the blank cards
12:01	Chillum	or ebay
12:02	nubbins`	epson printers are great, i've got two wide-format ones
12:02	*	Chillum is jealous
12:02	nubbins`	never thought of getting a card tray for one :D
12:02	thestringpuller	nubbins` you are a such a candian hipster
12:02	Chillum	I want to invest in a wide format printer and a laser cutter. I just have nowhere to put them
12:02	nubbins`	Chillum they're like $300! get one
12:02	nubbins`	granted, only 13" wide, but who cares?
12:02	Chillum	I would need to pay like $500 a month more rent to get a bigger place
12:03	Chillum	this city is stupid expensive
12:03	nubbins`	then you get a CISS from cobra inks
12:03	Chillum	I am trying to find a place with an extra room for a workspace but nothing really available. After the university lets out I may have more like
12:04	nubbins`	and start paying $20 per 16oz instead of $1000
12:04	Chillum	oh ya, continuous ink is mandatory if you are going to go into commercial production
12:04	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/5uggnbK
12:04	assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlKm7Z )
12:05	nubbins`	we have two: one color (pictured), one with 6 black tanks
12:05	Chillum	nice, does it have the secondary reservoir so you can keep printing when you switch out the bottles, or is it a fill from the top system?
12:05	nubbins`	secondary reservoir. it uses negative pressure
12:05	Chillum	that is the way to go
12:05	nubbins`	you can see those tanks are split vertically
12:06	nubbins`	back (right-side) half is much lower
12:06	nubbins`	that's where the printhead draws from
12:06	nubbins`	you just gotta swap the rubber stoppers to maintain pressure
12:06	Chillum	the printer kit called for soldering but I did the whole thing with pin header wires
12:06	nubbins`	this one just clicks into place
12:06	nubbins`	fake printhead
12:06	Chillum	the one thing I like about thermal paper(as crappy as it is) is that you don't need ink
12:07	nubbins`	yeah
12:07	nubbins`	ink cost is pretty minimal here
12:07	Chillum	costs 1 cent for each 3.5 wallets by my calculations
12:08	nubbins`	nb
12:12	Chillum	if the piper is running a raspberry pi then it is far from bricked. Just reimage the sd card with raspbian then plug it into ethernet, nmap for port 22 and login user/password pi/raspbian
12:12	Chillum	then you can get the python thermalprinter library and do whatever you like
12:12	mats	http://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2015-49.html#.VRSPA_nF8qx
12:12	assbot	SEC.gov | SEC Adopts Rules to Facilitate Smaller Companies’ Access to Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSkiTz )
12:13	mats	pump ze bubble
12:22	funkenstein_	ze new rules provide more choices
12:35	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/bianca-s-gift-cards-no-longer-accepted-at-bistro-sofia-and-black-sea-1.3011771
12:35	assbot	Bianca's gift cards no longer accepted at Bistro Sofia and Black Sea - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSsPpD )
12:36	nubbins`	this is what happens when you do people a favor
12:36	nubbins`	oh n/m, "I wouldn't say angry, but disappointed for sure."
12:36	nubbins`	that's reasonable
12:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00026549 = 6.2921 BTC [-]
12:40	danielpbarron	"The debt is up to $1,000 now, so we have to draw the line somewhere." << wtf kind of business is this??
12:40	nubbins`	danielpbarron restaurant X goes outta business. X strikes up a deal with Y and Z: if they accept X's gift certs, they'll be reimbursed.
12:40	nubbins`	Y and Z start accepting gift certs
12:40	nubbins`	X stops reimbursing
12:41	nubbins`	given that most of the certs were prob for $50-100, how much of a balance would YOU rack up before you stopped honoring them?
12:41	nubbins`	keep in mind that X went out of business because they were broke.
12:41	danielpbarron	sounds to me like a pretty cheap ad campaign
12:42	nubbins`	also keep in mind last line of article: "March is a graveyard for restaurants."
12:42	nubbins`	ad campaign for who?
12:42	danielpbarron	the restaurants getting the overflow business
12:43	nubbins`	sure, unless the overflow business is paying in worthless scrip.
12:43	nubbins`	"this really worked, look at all the funbucks in the register" know what i mean?
12:43	danielpbarron	they could be like.. "gift cards good for food, you buy the booze"
12:44	nubbins`	or they could be like "paying customers only" :D
12:46	Chillum	hmm I wonder if a universal gift card could be created that used bitcoin backing
12:46	Chillum	well of course it could be created, would it be embraced
12:47	Chillum	call it foodcoin so they are not scared
12:49	danielpbarron	you mean a credit/debit card denominated in bitcoin? i'm sure these will exist after the dollar collapses
12:50	nubbins`	who'd sell them though?
12:50	trinque	danielpbarron: this is how I'd expect everyman transactions to take place
12:50	nubbins`	this would be like restaurants selling USD.
12:50	trinque	instead of the "btc for latte" situation
12:50	Chillum	credit cards started as dining cards
12:50	Chillum	it is just a way to introduce the public to an idea
12:51	Chillum	through food
12:51	trinque	that's also my answer to people who want bitcoin to be visa... build visa *atop* bitcoin
12:51	danielpbarron	sell them? you don't get countless credit card applications in the mail?
12:51	trinque	nothing's stopping you
12:51	mircea_popescu	nubbins` anyone so inclined, basically.
12:51	mircea_popescu	Chillum has it, the current credit card is no sort of broad idea or innovation or anything. just an overgrown gift card.
12:51	Chillum	the restaurants could act as places to buy/sell foodcoin(bitcoin)
12:51	danielpbarron	the majority of my snail mail is credit card spam
12:51	Chillum	people won't like the changing value though
12:52	mircea_popescu	by then, not much room for value to change TO
12:52	danielpbarron	that's why i prefaced with "after the dollar collapses"
12:52	funkenstein_	they didn't like leaving french francs or old chinese yuan either
12:52	mircea_popescu	why do you think usg dollar is stable, zimbabweg dollar is not ?
12:52	danielpbarron	things will be priced in satoshi, not bitcoin
12:52	mircea_popescu	because of any difference in policy / quality / wealth / value ?
12:52	Chillum	it is not stable
12:52	mircea_popescu	neah. just... size.
12:52	Chillum	it is just commonly used as a reference
12:53	funkenstein_	big ships never sink, it's well known
12:53	Chillum	lol
12:53	mircea_popescu	well so then. once bitcoin is commonly used as reference, there's no change for people not to like
12:53	mircea_popescu	as it's not changing
12:53	Chillum	yup
12:53	felipelalli	felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. << mircea_popescu it would be perfect.
12:53	mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ ships have to interact with the sea. big shits however, mostly interact with people's heads.
12:53	mircea_popescu	felipelalli so go for it
12:53	funkenstein_	how to sink the shit is the question then
12:54	*	mircea_popescu building hawala on top of hawala since 2011!
12:54	mircea_popescu	i dunno funkenstein_, this stinker's a floater >D
12:54	felipelalli	mircea_popescu: :)
12:54	felipelalli	Have you guys read the article?
12:55	Chillum	the rising tide raises all ships, well the ones that don't sink
12:55	danielpbarron	felipelalli, i have
12:55	funkenstein_	rising tUSD
12:55	felipelalli	danielpbarron: makes sense?
12:55	danielpbarron	yep
12:56	felipelalli	the impact being quite interesting in the Brazilian community.
12:57	felipelalli	a lot of people came to congratulate me, but all in pvt. and few people disagreed, but who disagreed did so in public.
12:57	mircea_popescu	felipelalli go sign "Hello this is not dog" with the address in question.
12:59	mircea_popescu	;;seen brendafdez
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12:59	gribble	brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 17 hours, 54 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
13:00	nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/
13:00	assbot	What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLslL )
13:01	danielpbarron	chicken cordon bleu is pretty simple
13:01	nubbins`	http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-05-22/how-japan-helped-ease-the-rice-crisisbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice
13:01	assbot	How Japan Helped Ease the Rice Crisis - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLFoT )
13:02	nubbins`	cooking most things is... pretty simple
13:02	felipelalli	mircea_popescu: thank you so much, but I don't need in this moment, and I hope not need soon, or never. Also, the private keys of my btcs isn't so easy to access right now. But if I need it one day for (an investment in my company maybe?), the first place I'll try is here. But I won't, don't worry. I think my loans on btcjam was another excitement test than real need. I thoroughly enjoyed your offer, very grateful for that.
13:02	danielpbarron	hard thing is getting the rice just right if you've never done it before; or the steak.. or the eggs
13:03	danielpbarron	felipelalli, i gathered from your article that you were more a lender than a borrower
13:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144850 @ 0.000265 = 38.3853 BTC [-]
13:04	felipelalli	danielpbarron: not big lender, I think I was using it like a bet house, just playing it.
13:04	felipelalli	the ugly truth!
13:04	nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/i5zd2hT.gif
13:04	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GxkFBs )
13:04	nubbins`	^ dat lane change
13:05	danielpbarron	felipelalli, have you heard of mpex and bitbet ?
13:05	felipelalli	mpex yes, bitbet yes but I don't remember.
13:05	felipelalli	ah yes!! I use it.
13:05	felipelalli	well, I used in the past*
13:05	danielpbarron	so there you go! turns out you didn't even need btcjam
13:05	felipelalli	it's fun to play sometimes.
13:06	felipelalli	danielpbarron: yes!! :)
13:06	mircea_popescu	nubbins` actually, pork wellington imo.
13:06	mircea_popescu	it's certainly what i use to show girls they can be chefs too!
13:06	nubbins`	i've never done anything wellington, but have been threatening to for a while
13:06	nubbins`	aaaand i've got a dozen pork tenderloins on hand....
13:06	mircea_popescu	it's very simple : boil liver, make dough, sear tenderloin.
13:07	mircea_popescu	mix liver with cream, vinegar, allspice into a paste. rub all over tenderloin. place on dough, seal, rub egg yolk over, stick in oven
13:07	mircea_popescu	there's literally nothing you can fuck up in there.
13:07	felipelalli	The irony: soon after I published my article in the Brazilian community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=m6BTX292
13:07	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/19pMJt4 )
13:08	felipelalli	Making spam in our group.
13:08	mircea_popescu	obviously you can trim that. but odds are the girl never had it anyway, so she won't know.
13:09	nubbins`	http://np.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/30g1nh/found_this_in_my_sisters_closet_while_helping_her/cps3dik
13:09	assbot	Inigo93 comments on Found this in my sister's closet while helping her move. What is this hook looking thing for? ... ( http://bit.ly/19pN4vF )
13:10	mircea_popescu	aaahgahaha
13:10	mircea_popescu	share the sister.
13:10	nubbins`	:D
13:11	nubbins`	"i'd suggest you put it back and forget about it" haha
13:11	felipelalli	ahhahahahahaha
13:11	mircea_popescu	!up qntranet
13:11	nubbins`	mircea_popescu are you a meat-thermometer type of guy or an "i think it's done now" type of guy
13:11	mircea_popescu	"put it back in"
13:11	nubbins`	^^^
13:12	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you can't undercook the meat without undercooking the dough is the beauty of it
13:12	BingoBoingo	^
13:12	nubbins`	it looks like the ball is removable. i'd get a larger ball, swap it out, THEN put the hook back where i found it.
13:12	mircea_popescu	so you know, if it's all gross don't eat it.
13:12	nubbins`	mircea_popescu but the dummies on hell's kitchen ALWAYS fuck up the wellington!
13:12	mircea_popescu	i tihnk that must be an insider joke
13:12	nubbins`	tbf a gremlin is screaming at them to hurry up
13:13	Adlai	BingoBoingo: what's the preferred way to encode qntra articles?
13:13	Adlai	in terms of footnotes, links, quotes, etc... html?
13:13	nubbins`	so i think they just don't give a fuck if it's done or not
13:13	mircea_popescu	nubbins` besides, if you're worried use beef
13:13	mircea_popescu	then it literally does not matter.
13:13	nubbins`	nod
13:13	mircea_popescu	"i've seared it, haven't i ?!"
13:13	nubbins`	TBF i just use a meat thermometer :P
13:13	mircea_popescu	you can't really do that in a dough seal.
13:13	nubbins`	not w/o making a steam vent, hey
13:14	nubbins`	yeah, i'mma try this.
13:14	nubbins`	i've got regular pork tenderloin down to a science
13:14	nubbins`	time to up my game
13:14	BingoBoingo	Adlai: footnotes inline surrounded by double paren, html format links, bold, other emphasis, mark your blockquotes somehow
13:14	nubbins`	haha man these fat fucks moved in a couple houses down. Domino's pizza delivered to the house every day at noon for the past 10 days.
13:15	mircea_popescu	nubbins` sauteed mushrooms if you have em
13:15	mircea_popescu	thin sliced portobello...
13:15	Adlai	so like this((footnote)), for example?
13:15	nubbins`	mircea_popescu once the searing is done, i rough-chop an onion and throw that in the cast iron w/ whole baby bella mushrooms
13:15	nubbins`	then whole works in oven
13:15	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Yeah
13:15	mircea_popescu	Adlai no, like this ((footnote))
13:15	mircea_popescu	needs the leading space
13:15	nubbins`	after you take the pork outta the pan, 1/4 cup red wine to deglaze
13:16	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you want them thin slices.
13:16	nubbins`	headiest pan sauce ever
13:16	mircea_popescu	for wellington i mean
13:16	nubbins`	a
13:16	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> needs the leading space << This is what editors are for
13:16	nubbins`	i do have some huge portobellos here
13:17	*	nubbins` tempted to get a vac sealer for marinating too
13:17	nubbins`	plastic bag is meh
13:17	mircea_popescu	wine not vinegar.
13:18	nubbins`	you know i don't marinate with either?
13:18	mircea_popescu	nubbins` btw, you ever had pleurotus ?
13:18	nubbins`	nope
13:18	nubbins`	oh, oyster mush. yeah.
13:18	mircea_popescu	yeah.
13:18	mircea_popescu	also works well for this purpose.
13:19	mircea_popescu	actually... everything works, really, champignon, boletus...
13:19	nubbins`	chanterelles grow wild here
13:19	nubbins`	should go foraging
13:19	mircea_popescu	it's really the world's most tolerant dish, and it seems so damned fancy.
13:19	nubbins`	there's maybe two species of mushrooms that i'd feel safe picking outdoors and eating
13:19	mircea_popescu	o yeah. or that one how's it called, midget's trumpet
13:19	mircea_popescu	brb
13:20	mircea_popescu	craterellus cornucopioides
13:20	nubbins`	C. Cantharellus and P. Semilanceata 8)
13:20	mircea_popescu	aha!
13:20	mircea_popescu	dja get the black chanterelle in canada ?
13:20	BingoBoingo	Can never go wrong with Morels
13:21	nubbins`	hmm i haven't seen em
13:21	nubbins`	but that's not to say they don't grow here!
13:21	nubbins`	<--city boy
13:21	mircea_popescu	should exist, imo it's pretty much everywhere birch grows
13:21	nubbins`	we do have birch
13:22	mircea_popescu	little dark looking shits, you wouldn't think asnythingof them
13:22	nubbins`	i've prolly walked on them :D
13:22	mircea_popescu	but they're very tasty and even age well
13:23	chetty	<< seriously considers tossing out the meatloaf in the oven and starting over
13:23	mircea_popescu	what happened to it /
13:23	chetty	nothing but now I am drooling for wellington
13:24	nubbins`	wrap it in a pancake.
13:24	mircea_popescu	haha tomorrow is another day!
13:24	nubbins`	anyway back to where this began
13:25	nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/
13:25	assbot	What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxlRET )
13:25	nubbins`	Let's say you have a girl coming over for dinner, but you lied to her about taking cooking lessons etc... if you don't know a damn thing about cooking, what's an easy but impressive dish even a moron could make?
13:25	nubbins`	look, he thinks that "taking cooking lessons" means you're a CHEF.
13:25	nubbins`	just like how taking a first aid course makes you a doctor.
13:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00026186 = 40.4836 BTC [-] {2}
13:26	nubbins`	listen, kid, you have bigger problems than what's for dinner.
13:26	mircea_popescu	maybe he should lie about dinner too.
13:26	nubbins`	namely, that your girl is gonna think you have tumbleweeds in your head regardless of what you serve her
13:26	nubbins`	one of the suggestions was "tell her you don't mix business with pleasure" and order take-out
13:27	nubbins`	lel, +1.
13:27	mircea_popescu	nubbins` in my experience, girls, and especially at the age apparent here, couldn't give less of a shit what oyu're saying
13:27	mircea_popescu	they're just excited your lips are moving.
13:27	mircea_popescu	(if you don't believe me, ask a teenager for a summary of what the boy said on their date. prepare to be amazed - she has nfi.
13:27	nubbins`	another guy suggests buying a frozen lasagna and a casserole dish, and faking it
13:28	mircea_popescu	then adults derp all over teens for various "Safety consideration".)
13:28	nubbins`	"Remember to put all of the packaging in a separate garbage bag, and then dispose of that bag long before she arrives at your place."
13:28	nubbins`	hahaha
13:28	nubbins`	don't you mean "remember to ask mom if you can use the kitchen"?
13:28	mircea_popescu	"mom can I use the kitchen ?" "gtfo you're not having sex in my kitchen"
13:29	mircea_popescu	"no mom, i mean use it for cooking"
13:29	mircea_popescu	"you can cook ?!"
13:29	mircea_popescu	"well... i can't have sex, either! benefit of the suspicion, here!"
13:30	mircea_popescu	funny how "i can't cook" means you suck at it, whereas "i can't have sex" means someone's not lettin' you. clearly, i say CLEARLY everyone's great at sex, the impediments can only be evil external stuff.
13:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110050 @ 0.00026147 = 28.7748 BTC [-]
13:36	ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073477 << btw, not a problem if you use gmail as an smtp server instead of as a mail client
13:36	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 00:49:55; nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text
13:39	nubbins`	too troo
13:39	nubbins`	anyway, got it done ;/
13:39	mircea_popescu	!up CartmanGoon
13:40	ben_vulpes	this, ftr, is why i use gmail.
13:40	ben_vulpes	the notion that an email coming from a gmail server that doesn't bear my signature is actually from me is downright hilarious.
13:40	mircea_popescu	because it sucks but it's free ?
13:40	ben_vulpes	nono, they come pre-compromised.
13:40	mircea_popescu	ah k
13:45	nubbins`	Linuxbrew is a fork of Homebrew, the Mac OS package manager, for Linux.
13:45	nubbins`	heh what.
13:45	*	nubbins` struggles to find appropriate analogy
13:47	mike_c	Krafp cheese is a fork of kraft cheese designed to have a shorter shelf life but taste better.
13:48	mike_c	no? maybe a stretch.
13:48	nubbins`	sorry
13:49	nubbins`	hm buildroot wants ncurses-devel which for the life of me i can't find
13:50	mircea_popescu	krapf cheese
13:50	mircea_popescu	ok, that's chuckleworthy
13:51	mircea_popescu	so argentina called for a general strike.
13:51	mircea_popescu	because in a country that's essentially living off fumes, the smartest thing to do is ask for more money from the government.
13:52	mircea_popescu	i ownder what they'll actually do once the government stops paying salaries outright.
13:52	mircea_popescu	not like anyone has a real job anyway.
13:52	mike_c	i heard a south american joke about argentina the other day
13:52	mircea_popescu	somehow tho i imagine anything sane, like begging while crawling naked in the street is right out
13:52	mircea_popescu	after all, argentina is the african country with highest self-respect per capita.
13:53	mircea_popescu	which ?
13:53	mike_c	"how do you make money off an argentine? you buy them for what they're worth and sell them for what they think they're worth"
13:53	mircea_popescu	this is so eerily apt.
13:53	mike_c	apparently everyone else in south america already knew this about them :)
13:54	mircea_popescu	it's like living in california once all the americans died out and were replaced with spanish speaking italian gypsies.
13:54	mike_c	hehe. there you go nubbins`, that's how you do an analogy
13:55	mircea_popescu	anyway, something tells me i'ma have a load of fun this year an' the next.
13:55	mircea_popescu	only reason i'm even putting up with the idiocy, i really wish to see this collapse.
13:56	mircea_popescu	but i tell you, i doubt there was ever a country that so effectually turned innocent goodwill into entrenched aversion.
13:56	mircea_popescu	except perhaps hungary or soemthing.
14:01	mircea_popescu	but as an amusing bit of color : presidential elections six months away. eight people are candidates - none of them has a running mate.
14:01	mircea_popescu	because seriously, what argentine could possibly be second ?!
14:01	mircea_popescu	the only reason they even like messi in the first place is a sort of schelling effect : if they all agree he's the forward, it's ok for all the other 10 players not to be the forward.
14:02	mircea_popescu	if messi weren't there, you'd have 11 forwards in the team. yes goalkeeper included. what goalkeeping ?!
14:03	Adlai	BingoBoingo: can i use <pre>?
14:04	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Sure
14:04	Adlai	(it's not listen in the tags below the comment box)
14:04	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Are you submitting an article or a comment?
14:04	Adlai	article
14:05	Adlai	re: Tomáš Jiřikovský
14:05	BingoBoingo	Ah, yeah articles get to use more tags than comments do
14:05	BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field
14:06	mircea_popescu	"Today we have taken legal actions against this person and we will charge him for this gossip." lolk
14:07	mircea_popescu	is Eva Bartošová hot ?
14:07	mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX-w1VHQ4q0 kinda not.
14:07	assbot	MEDIÁCIA namiesto súdu - Mgr. Eva Bartošová - mediátorka.mpg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu6ExN )
14:09	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: ar collapse << and the americans won't buy it up at firesale like every other turd world collapsatron?
14:09	ascii_field	i mean, this is sorta their planetary business model
14:09	mircea_popescu	i dunno.
14:10	ascii_field	1) set it on fire 2) wait for fire sale 3) buy 4) ??? 5) profit (tm)
14:10	mircea_popescu	atm prices are about 2-300% inflated, easy.
14:10	mircea_popescu	for one thing, you can blame the us for anything you wish, but the argentine disaster is 100% argentine made.
14:10	mircea_popescu	they wouldn't have it any other way.
14:10	ascii_field	y'know, letting idiots set own house on fire is the best arson
14:10	mircea_popescu	i'm mildly suprised there's not five million .ar mpexes etc, they seem exactly the right idiots to make glbse shitcascades.
14:11	mircea_popescu	"letting" ? cmon.
14:11	ascii_field	'letting' as in 'live and let die'
14:11	mircea_popescu	right. anyway, it will have to fall a long looong way before it gets anywhere usians will want to buy.
14:12	mircea_popescu	why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ?
14:12	mircea_popescu	anyway brb
14:17	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ? << Argentina, less collapsed than Ohio!!!
14:18	ascii_field	the 150k might be a deal
14:18	Adlai	BingoBoingo: how's this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fgLwuvLj
14:18	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxo2ID )
14:18	ascii_field	if mircea_popescu was right about being able to live like a culture man for a few k-usd/yr
14:19	ascii_field	(try that in ohio!)
14:23	BingoBoingo	Adlai: I can't decrypt that for some reason
14:24	Adlai	cazalla: can you?
14:24	BingoBoingo	ascii_field: A large part of being a culture man is knowing not to live in Ohio
14:24	Adlai	it should be viewable by BingoBoingo, cazalla, and me
14:25	Adlai	F3251143 for BingoBoingo, 468F4AD0 for cazalla
14:25	ascii_field	BingoBoingo: say you had 1M usd. fell down from sky. you could blow 30k in ohio, and live like a pauper on the meagre sub-inflation interest off the rest in american bank. or blow 150k in ar and invest in collapsatron and live like cultured man ? possibly
14:25	*	ascii_field entirely clueless re: ar, it may as well be on alpha centauri to him
14:25	BingoBoingo	ascii_field: I'd take Argentina
14:26	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Are you using any weird GPG v2 only features?
14:26	Adlai	mmmaybe?
14:28	BingoBoingo	Perhaps try again just encrypting to my key. No signing.
14:28	Adlai	BingoBoingo: how's http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5XQavzhB
14:28	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu7WsJ )
14:29	BingoBoingo	Oh, that worked much better
14:30	Adlai	BingoBoingo: actually please delete "Czech" from the sentence where it appears five bazillion times, once is probably enough
14:33	BingoBoingo	Adlai: What word is w|% supposed to be?
14:33	BingoBoingo	third word in the piece
14:33	Adlai	where does that appear?
14:34	mike_c	right after the second word.
14:34	Adlai	ah. "who'se"
14:34	Adlai	er, who's
14:35	*	Adlai blames hanewin
14:35	BingoBoingo	Seems more likely a fancy quote problem
14:37	BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field Adlai, what is "JiYikovsk aftSi CEN equivalent" supposed to actuall read?
14:39	ascii_field	wai wat
14:39	ascii_field	where
14:39	Adlai	ok, hanewin definitely butchered stuff
14:40	BingoBoingo	ascii_field: In Adlai's piece
14:40	Adlai	"Czech FINCEN equivalent ((Finančního Analytického Útvaru)) "
14:40	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Just email it to me unencrypted.
14:41	ascii_field	financial-analytical-directorate ?
14:42	BingoBoingo	ascii_field: I just used the rest of the space in the up message to ping Adlai, because
14:42	ascii_field	aha
14:42	Adlai	BingoBoingo: sent
14:45	BingoBoingo	Adlai: Can you email it and let the text wrap like god intended pls
14:45	Adlai	how about i just attach the document so gmail doesn't fuck with it
14:45	BingoBoingo	works
14:49	ascii_field	http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/manual/manual.html << therealbitcoin folks - study it
14:49	assbot	The Buildroot user manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9jHO )
14:50	*	mod6 looks
14:51	mod6	bro you type fast
14:51	BingoBoingo	Adlai: http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/
14:51	assbot	Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9pPF )
14:52	ascii_field	mod6: 'buildroot' is a classical item, i had nothing to do with its authorship
14:52	Adlai	"by Bingo Boingo"?
14:52	BingoBoingo	dammit, will fx
14:52	mod6	ascii_field: i know, im just giving you a hard time :)
14:53	Adlai	thx
14:53	*	Adlai dogwalk
14:53	ascii_field	BingoBoingo: item 9
14:53	ascii_field	BingoBoingo: missing line break
14:54	Adlai	BingoBoingo: oh also, the link to gwern's pgp info didn't get through
14:55	Adlai	bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere?
14:56	BingoBoingo	<Adlai> bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere? << We don't do that fancy, but at least your name's on it nao
14:57	Adlai	sure, thanks, but the links should be there for people who want to check sources. i can email you a link with explicit links
14:57	Adlai	s/a link/version/
14:57	BingoBoingo	email link version pls
15:02	thestringpuller	scoopbot ain't doin it's job again?
15:05	cazalla	Adlai, decrypted fine for me
15:05	Adlai	blame bingo :P
15:06	cazalla	thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P
15:08	danielpbarron	i think he got lost in a netsplit
15:11	danielpbarron	or its been gone since the 24th .. grep comes out order
15:11	nubbins`	i'm stalled out on buildroot
15:12	nubbins`	dem missing dependencies
15:12	nubbins`	not much info on buildroot w/ darwin host
15:13	BingoBoingo	ascii_field> BingoBoingo: missing line break << Historical document line break missing in original, also part of historical document, bad signature
15:14	BingoBoingo	Sorry, good signature
15:18	nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_support_package
15:18	assbot	Board support package - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub083 )
15:19	mats	http://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/03/27/breaking-sheep-marketplace-owner-arrested/
15:19	assbot	Breaking: Sheep Marketplace Owner Arrested - Deep Dot Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub1cf )
15:19	mats	another amateur pwned
15:19	nubbins`	am i remiss in thinking turdel will fit this def? ^
15:20	Adlai	mats: qntra just covered this!
15:20	mats	o
15:21	Adlai	:P
15:21	BingoBoingo	More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin
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15:21	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxrnaq )
15:23	thestringpuller	cazalla: MP thinks it is.
15:23	thestringpuller	!s scoopbot working
15:23	assbot	5 results for 'scoopbot working' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scoopbot+working
15:24	nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/5N9dLKz.png
15:24	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrsuX )
15:24	nubbins`	lel @ 3rd photo on top
15:24	nubbins`	my sides.
15:26	danielpbarron	they got the same size bewbs
15:27	BingoBoingo	That thing where they have the same boobs is incredibly creepy
15:29	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/GPQNTok
15:29	assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrCCx )
15:35	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
15:35	ascii_field	nubbins`: yes, it's a board pkg.
15:35	ascii_field	nubbins`: possibly later tonight will post a scriptable set of diffs, portatron-style
15:35	nubbins`	oo
15:37	ascii_field	https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15463 << l0ltr0n1c
15:37	assbot	#15463 (Tor deals poorly with a very large number of incoming connection requests.) – Tor Bug Tracker & Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrTFs )
15:41	trinque	+cazalla | thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P << tenyks has an rss thing I think
15:41	trinque	would be trivial to crap one together
15:43	danielpbarron	what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT?
15:43	trinque	https://github.com/kyleterry/tenyks-contrib/blob/master/src/tenyksfeeds/main.py << there someone rewrite scoopbot in an afternoon
15:43	assbot	tenyks-contrib/main.py at master · kyleterry/tenyks-contrib · GitHub
15:44	nubbins`	<+danielpbarron> what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT? <<< right?
15:45	nubbins`	"the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"
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15:45	nubbins`	bbl
15:45	trinque	>wants bitcoin because valuable as demonimated in paper currency
15:45	trinque	>deserves whatever happens next
15:52	ascii_field	http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/congresswoman-claims-climate-change-will-turn-women-into-prostitutes << mega-l0l!!
15:52	assbot	CA Dem Warns Global Warming Will Make Women Prostitutes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxsvLc )
15:52	ascii_field	^ mircea_popescu
15:53	trinque	ascii_field: holy shit the video
15:53	trinque	it's some rapper guy wit bitches
15:54	trinque	to say nothing of california using less water, eh?
16:06	chetty	!up ascii_field
16:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96482 @ 0.00026549 = 25.615 BTC [+]
16:09	trinque	this chinese botnet wants our bitcoin so bad...
16:09	trinque	no coin in that box you fucks :D
16:13	punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg
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16:13	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GxuqQ2 )
16:14	ascii_field	wat
16:14	punkman	I dunno
16:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46818 @ 0.00026549 = 12.4297 BTC [+]
16:17	nubbins`	my kingdom for osx-targeted ncurses-devel!
16:18	nubbins`	i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go
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16:19	trinque	oh hey, pogo and sd card are to be delivered today
16:19	trinque	amazon uber alles
16:21	nubbins`	nb
16:21	trinque	got the cheapest shipping too
16:27	nubbins`	didja get the purple or blue
16:30	funkenstein_	anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet?
16:32	nubbins`	still pulling blocks
16:34	nubbins`	danielpbarron is in the 300k range on one of his
16:35	danielpbarron	i see no reason for it to not fully sync at this point
16:36	funkenstein_	i got 280k and counting
16:36	nubbins`	!up ascii_field
16:36	danielpbarron	the version i'm running is not the latest release though
16:36	nubbins`	i keep running my battery down to 0% which tends to make me have to rescan everything
16:37	funkenstein_	there is no "getpeerinfo"
16:38	*	nubbins` is assuming just deleting blkindex.dat is good enough
16:39	BingoBoingo	FU AP Styleguide trying to kill sportswriting https://twitter.com/tschmedding/status/581470736654737409/photo/1
16:39	assbot	Whoa. /APStylebook revamps sports, brings from 1950s to 2010s. /hashtag/ACES2015?src=hash http://t.co/W3jPZHneYv
16:39	mod6	<+funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.
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16:39	funkenstein_	mod6, thanks good to hear it
16:40	mod6	can you do me a favor?
16:40	funkenstein_	and you have put some sample TXs through it?
16:40	funkenstein_	sure
16:40	mod6	do you still have the link to the pastebin stuff you gave me for your ubuntu build?
16:41	mod6	i was thinking about including some of that info in the monthly address.
16:41	mod6	yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.
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16:41	mod6	(i have a recent one, but not on this machine atm)
16:41	funkenstein_	http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5
16:41	assbot	dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxw0kR )
16:42	nubbins`	mod6 plz to emphasize that osx patch does not come with official nintendo seal of quality
16:43	nubbins`	i should also prolly resend that email with a subject so it doesn't get lost. right now it shows up as a reply to some other no-subject post
16:45	mod6	here it is funkenstein_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R
16:45	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GxwlnL )
16:45	mod6	shows send/recieve on the 64 bit static binary
16:46	mod6	nubbins`: np. i think it's just good to get it in the list for now. later we can take it, massage whatever is needed and get it into a proper patch and test it.
16:46	funkenstein_	whee look at that, cooking with gas
16:46	nubbins`	k
16:47	mod6	yikes that paste expires in 1 day lol. thanks though funkenstein_, I'll save it locally so i've got it.
16:48	danielpbarron	https://archive.today/http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5
16:48	assbot	http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5: dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1F21ePe )
16:48	funkenstein_	if it was useful i could test on fedora
16:48	mod6	so it turns out that debian didn't need the -nodnsseed flag, but gentoo did just like you ran into with ubuntu, i wanna make a comment on that in the address perhaps.
16:48	funkenstein_	hmm i didn't get my debian box to build
16:48	mod6	oh thanks danielpbarron
16:49	mod6	what debian? (we test on deb6)
16:49	funkenstein_	debian8
16:49	mod6	ah. ok. well, maybe I can give it a shot at some point. or help you out with it.
16:49	funkenstein_	but likely the issue is my build environment
16:49	funkenstein_	i'm not going to run it there anyway, it was just for test
16:50	mod6	well, thanks for testing anyway. appreciate it!
16:50	nubbins`	re: fedora, why not!
16:50	funkenstein_	i'll give it a go :)
16:53	funkenstein_	speaking of testing i have an escrow site I've been trying to make usable
16:53	funkenstein_	request for comment : 2crow.org
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16:54	nubbins`	hmm initial scan from test machine shows malware behind that link
16:55	nubbins`	nah, i'm just kidding.
16:59	funkenstein_	nah I add that in later nubbins ;)
17:00	thestringpuller	nubbins` is always joking about dead bodies and cocaine in trunk of car as we cross border
17:00	thestringpuller	says, "But it was funny."
17:07	BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field
17:09	funkenstein_	hmm builds proceeding. funny thing is i never got any coins to build on fedora20x64
17:10	nubbins`	what do you mean
17:10	nubbins`	oh, sorry
17:10	nubbins`	parse error
17:10	ascii_field	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight
17:10	*	nubbins` raises hand
17:10	funkenstein_	the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/
17:10	assbot	xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1F23wxR )
17:10	nubbins`	like you said, what's a wallet without rng
17:11	ascii_field	the jurist term is 'attractive nuisance' iirc.
17:11	BingoBoingo	Seems prudent to excise it
17:11	ascii_field	like a power saw left unwatched for children to play with
17:12	BingoBoingo	Nah, the powersaw is safer and people tend to learn from that
17:13	thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: tell that to beavis >> http://s965.photobucket.com/user/TimeCaptured/media/saw1.png.html
17:15	mike_c	but, now a separate pogo branch must be maintained?
17:17	*	ascii_field would maintain it
17:17	mike_c	does the -disablewallet config switch exist in this version? that would be easier way to prevent children from playing with matches
17:17	ascii_field	mike_c: would like to cut some footprint
17:17	mike_c	i thought it was like 5.5mb.
17:18	ascii_field	mike_c: the buildroot i have is theoretically retargetable to multiple cpu archs and boards with minimal effort
17:18	ascii_field	mike_c: i have several candidates for replacement of 'pogo' if something 'happens to' our supply.
17:18	punkman	we don't really want wallet code in regular bitcoind anyway
17:18	ascii_field	^
17:19	mike_c	yeah, fine, but that's different from starting a pogo branch. if it gets cut from master branch, problem solved (if there is a problem?)
17:19	mike_c	ascii_field: you saying that cutting it makes it more portable? or just easier to fit on smaller arch.
17:20	ascii_field	mike_c: would like to fit on boards with 8M rom
17:20	ascii_field	but more general principle
17:20	mike_c	ok, so cut it later when we have a 8m device we want to fit it on.
17:20	ascii_field	smaller -> more auditable.
17:20	nubbins`	hmm
17:20	ascii_field	but i will leave this for the folks whose project it actually is, to decide
17:20	punkman	maybe add my mining-snip patch too
17:21	nubbins`	suppose instead of -disablewallet, flip the bit and make it -enablewallet?
17:21	ascii_field	punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)
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17:21	nubbins`	short-term
17:21	ascii_field	or i suppose you could...
17:21	nubbins`	make wallet=off the default while we decide when to trim
17:21	nubbins`	in a perfect world, remove_wallet.patch
17:22	nubbins`	included as an "extra" in -RELEASE.tar.gz
17:22	mike_c	short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet and miner and then it will be smaller around the same time we want to fit it on a 8m device.
17:22	nubbins`	(/me imagines makefile.osx in same "extra"
17:22	mike_c	serendipity will prevail
17:23	mike_c	of course, i use 'we' loosely since all i've done is buy a pogo and wait.
17:23	nubbins`	^ +1
17:23	nubbins`	8)
17:29	Adlai	ascii_field: mining only needs an output script for the coinbase
17:33	nubbins`	what's the endian-ness of the pogo's arm, big?
17:35	ascii_field	Adlai: yes i remembered
17:35	ascii_field	nubbins`: selectable
17:35	ascii_field	nubbins`: little-endian by default
17:35	nubbins`	i'll stick with that
17:36	ascii_field	(most recent embedded system-on-chip are selectably-endian)
17:36	nubbins`	you have a buildroot .config you can pop up somewhere?
17:36	ascii_field	nubbins`: it's a mega-turd. not just one config, but four, and they have to be packaged in a certain way
17:37	ascii_field	ideally will wrap this up tonight
17:37	nubbins`	lovely
17:37	ascii_field	i want folks building their own pogo runtimes soon.
17:37	nubbins`	finally got buildroot nut cracked here
17:37	nubbins`	s/make menuconfig/make nconfig
17:37	ascii_field	so that i can, perhaps, escape the chore of figuring out why sata refuses to init
17:38	ascii_field	and how to read the pushbutton and toggle the lamp
17:38	nubbins`	!up ascii_field
17:38	ascii_field	all else - works
17:38	ascii_field	(hardware-wise)
17:39	ascii_field	did cut a bunch of irrelevant crud from the kernel (keyboards, mice, sound cards, etc)
17:39	nubbins`	i'll take a peek at the light and button stuff, seems straight-forward
17:39	ascii_field	nubbins`: like sata, it mysteriously fails to work
17:39	ascii_field	that is, i have the marvell config flags set
17:39	ascii_field	but no devices appear for them
17:40	ascii_field	anyone who is planning to screw with the kernel, -must- have tftp set up
17:40	ascii_field	otherwise the debug loop is unbearably tedious
17:41	ascii_field	i, for example, only need to cycle power to the 'pogo' to test a newly-built turdel.
17:41	trinque	flight 9525 seems a great way to argue "see, this is why we need to be able to remote-control planes"
17:41	ascii_field	trinque: the remotes -were put in-, by and large across the board, in '01-03
17:42	trinque	ascii_field: saw the link re: boeing I think it was
17:42	ascii_field	trinque: how well they work, and when they are used, and who orders it - i do not know.
17:42	ben_vulpes	<funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << a few, yeah
17:43	trinque	ascii_field: got any search terms which will conjure that link from the logs?
17:43	ascii_field	trinque: not from memory, no
17:44	ben_vulpes	<ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight << don't see why not
17:44	ascii_field	ben_vulpes: someone did suggest a good reason why not - the chore of maintaining two branches
17:44	ben_vulpes	<funkenstein_> the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/ << no, this is a consensus project.
17:44	assbot	xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nkay4G )
17:44	ben_vulpes	oh, we're not maintaining 2 branches already?
17:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171606 @ 0.00026574 = 45.6026 BTC [+] {2}
17:45	ben_vulpes	i kid, i kid.
17:46	ben_vulpes	<mike_c> short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet << oh we will?
17:46	mike_c	didn't you just say you would?
17:46	ben_vulpes	"pogo variant"
17:46	mike_c	oh. i thought somebody said it was on your todo list.
17:47	ben_vulpes	but as asciilifeform's said before, the RI has to parachute into mars, bitcoinating
17:47	ben_vulpes	yeah, it's down at 12
17:47	ben_vulpes	'cause needs discussion.
17:47	ben_vulpes	on one hand yeah - what is a wallet doing in there?
17:47	ben_vulpes	on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
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17:48	mike_c	uh, run a pogo
17:48	ben_vulpes	cant' use a pogo to send btc
17:49	mike_c	right. that's what one is going to do with a wallet.
17:49	Chillum	I am about to see if a Raspberry Pi 2 can run a full node. The Pi 1 starts to crap out around mid 2014
17:49	Chillum	compiling now
17:49	mike_c	the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc
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17:50	ben_vulpes	mike_c: what i mean to say is that the reference implementation only bears the wallet by virtue of there being no other thing that serves as a wallet.
17:50	ben_vulpes	yeah, "could".
17:50	ben_vulpes	someday.
17:50	ascii_field	suggestion - we #ifdef it.
17:50	mike_c	(and double the test matrix)
17:50	ascii_field	much as i despise #ifdef
17:51	trinque	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039405 << there's the one, 777 boeing hax keywords yay
17:51	assbot	Logged on 03-03-2015 06:35:11; asciilifeform: decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system << lulzies !
17:51	mike_c	thing is, one could clone the code, rip out most of the stuff that wasn't the wallet, and voila, new binary that is a wallet.
17:51	ascii_field	mike_c: not quite
17:51	mike_c	it would be a bad wallet, but it would be a start
17:52	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: and this to reduce size of bitcoind binary?
17:52	ascii_field	ben_vulpes: that, and remove the 'attractive nuisance'
17:52	ben_vulpes	the latter i don't care too much about.
17:52	mike_c	to be clear, ben_vulpes, this is for future unspecified project to create node out of smaller device than pogo
17:52	ben_vulpes	ah
17:53	ben_vulpes	fuck it, ship it.
17:53	mike_c	that's what i said :)
17:53	ben_vulpes	"overengineering is like cocaine"
17:53	funkenstein_	you could make an SPV node with no wallet
17:53	ben_vulpes	funkenstein_: what.
17:54	funkenstein_	it would be pretty useless but you could make it small :)
17:54	ascii_field	self-propelled vehicle?
17:54	ben_vulpes	"simple payment verification"
17:54	ascii_field	waat
17:54	ben_vulpes	is that the headers-only thing?
17:54	ben_vulpes	bitcoin in the swear jar, funkenstein_
17:54	ascii_field	fuck it up its arse with a reciprocating saw
17:55	ascii_field	!s fucksaw
17:55	assbot	0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw
17:55	ascii_field	waaaat
17:55	ascii_field	;;google fucksaw
17:55	gribble	America's Greatest University Demonstrates 'Fucksaw' For ... - Gawker: <http://gawker.com/5774501/americas-greatest-university-demonstrates-fucksaw-for-captivated-students>; Amazon.com: Fuck Saw Adapter: Health & Personal Care: <http://www.amazon.com/Rupert-Huse-Son-Inc-Adapter/dp/B00DF55CJQ>; JT's Stockroom - Fuck Saw: <http://www.stockroom.com/Fuck-Saw-P2931.aspx>
17:56	ben_vulpes	anyways, re wallet, meh in general and too soon in specific methinks.
17:56	ben_vulpes	rip out json/rpc and replace it with a thing i can call that vomits forth formatted blocks first
17:57	ben_vulpes	pogo's not my baby by any stretch of the imagination, but doing anything but getting them running seems like unnecessary yak shaving.
17:57	ascii_field	ben_vulpes: if you or anyone else has spare time - i recommend taking a look at the bastard blocks thing
17:57	ben_vulpes	bastards though, is at the *top* of the todo list.
17:57	funkenstein_	mod6: build error on a fedora box: dpaste.com/28E8Z9X
17:58	ascii_field	ben_vulpes: getting them running... << have you tried 'turdel' demo ?
17:58	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: pogo's in the mail.
17:58	ascii_field	Aha
17:58	funkenstein_	what are bastard blocks?
17:58	ben_vulpes	blocks with no chain ancestry.
17:58	ben_vulpes	they build up in memory, leading to OOM kills.
17:59	ben_vulpes	naive backport entails picking a random bastard and nuking its whole chain
17:59	ben_vulpes	(if i read the cee pee pee correctly)
17:59	ben_vulpes	anyways, i must off.
18:00	funkenstein_	thanks, i will read up
18:00	ascii_field	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html << reading material
18:00	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yUtLEL )
18:02	danielpbarron	i have to periodically restart bitcoind on my pogos
18:02	danielpbarron	because of the bastards
18:05	funkenstein_	so these have been requested from other nodes the we aren't ready for them yet?
18:06	funkenstein_	*but we aren't ready for them yet?
18:06	ascii_field	danielpbarron: aside from the nondeterminism and potential for random db corruption, the bastards thing makes it entirely impossible to use the otherwise perfectly adequate 32M machines
18:07	danielpbarron	i do the restarts manually, as i keep an eye on them nearly all day; i use the restart as an opportunity to back up the block database of the solid state pogo
18:08	funkenstein_	i set a script with bitcoind stop, sleep, and restart, and put it in crontab
18:08	danielpbarron	that'll probably be the shipped sollution
18:11	funkenstein_	has anyone tried btcd the go node?
18:15	trinque	felipelalli: ^ thanks for alerting me
18:15	trinque	!up felipelalli
18:15	felipelalli	no worries!
18:24	cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074727 <<< my money is on her never to return here
18:24	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 16:59:53; mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez
18:25	mike_c	did she ragequit?
18:27	cazalla	mike_c, not that i know of
18:27	cazalla	but now that es.qntra.net was put together for her, she's absent
18:27	mike_c	hehe. always a good way to make someone leave. "here's some work"
18:29	BingoBoingo	;;seen brendafdez
18:29	gribble	brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
18:30	cazalla	maybe i'm too quick to pull the trigger on that one, but we'll see
18:30	BingoBoingo	Maybe the CIA got her to prevent Qntra influence in Latin America
18:31	Chillum	damn compiling bitcoind on the pi2 takes hours
18:31	Chillum	bitcoin-0.10.0 that is
18:36	trinque	pogo plug...er.. plugged.
18:36	trinque	I'll turdel it this evening
18:41	danielpbarron	i think he'll come back
18:42	danielpbarron	we are facebook friendz
18:42	BingoBoingo	!b 2
18:42	assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/34HQR4Q.txt )
18:43	trinque	danielpbarron: got a link to the pogo instructions?
18:44	trinque	found
18:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 701 @ 0.03 = 21.03 BTC [-] {2}
18:46	mircea_popescu	cazalla mine too.
18:47	danielpbarron	heh i was just updating that, trinque. -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt
18:47	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8NFe )
18:47	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ?
18:47	danielpbarron	i added tftp instructions
18:47	mircea_popescu	better than turning them into congresswhomen
18:47	trinque	danielpbarron: thanks!
18:47	trinque	I should've ordered the usb->serial guy too
18:47	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dun see problem with wallet snip either.
18:50	danielpbarron	as long as you don't mess it up, it should be possible to do it without the serial connection
18:50	trinque	danielpbarron: https url to enable ssh doesn't work
18:50	danielpbarron	on what?
18:50	danielpbarron	my site?
18:50	trinque	when replaced with http it farts out html saying use https
18:50	trinque	nah the pogo
18:51	Chillum	yay I got bitcoind running
18:51	danielpbarron	did you put your ip address in there?
18:51	trinque	heh yes I did
18:52	trinque	and got html back with http://
18:52	ben_vulpes	Chillum: why are you bothering with 0.10.0?
18:53	Chillum	is that not the latest version?
18:53	danielpbarron	what do you mean "doesn't work" ? trinque
18:53	trinque	danielpbarron: connection refused when hitting the enable ssh URL via https
18:54	trinque	only ports 80 and 3333 are open on the thing
18:54	trinque	not 443
18:55	danielpbarron	curl -k "https://root:ceadmin@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/sqdiag/HBPlug?action=command&command=dropbear%20start";
18:55	danielpbarron	you're doing this ? ^
18:55	trinque	yeah with my 10.0.0.somethin
18:55	mircea_popescu	Chillum it may be the latest verion on a meanwhile abandoned bitcoin fork pushed by very dubious characters.
18:55	danielpbarron	trinque, what does your pogo look like?
18:55	trinque	it's the pink logo one
18:55	trinque	I'll check the hardware rev
18:56	danielpbarron	it looks like this? -> http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/12/13/Pogoplug_Series_4_35099306_04_1_610x458.jpg
18:56	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GxH5SU )
18:56	trinque	POGO-V4-A3-01
18:56	trinque	yup
18:56	danielpbarron	also a demonstration of where the sata drive goes, for those who haven't seen yet
18:57	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075019 << have the paycoins reached whatever yet ?
18:57	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 19:21:45; BingoBoingo: More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin
18:57	Chillum	mircea_popescu: what would you recommend?
18:57	mircea_popescu	the bitcoin foundation releases.
18:58	mircea_popescu	http://thebitcoin.foundation/ <
18:58	assbot	..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur )
18:58	trinque	danielpbarron: do I have to "activate" this thing before that url becomes available?
18:59	Chillum	looks legit...
18:59	danielpbarron	trinque, no; that url is supposed to let you bypass having to activate
18:59	ben_vulpes	Chillum: not enough rounded corners for your taste?
19:00	danielpbarron	i wonder if they are shipping a different version or something
19:00	danielpbarron	i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on
19:00	Chillum	I prefer all flash websites
19:00	trinque	hm, well hardware rev's in the logs
19:00	Chillum	(kidding)
19:00	trinque	I'll see what the software rev is on th inside
19:01	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075044 << this entire "explained income" bs is bs.
19:01	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 19:45:12; nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"
19:01	mircea_popescu	who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case.
19:02	ben_vulpes	in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets.
19:03	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075058 << 19yo virgin angry at school because it could not possibly be his fault he's not getting any ?
19:03	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 20:13:48; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg
19:03	trinque	danielpbarron: in messing with cables, my router came up after the pogo
19:03	trinque	pogo was mad about this for some reason, yet got an IP
19:03	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes kinda why we don't want the states to survive, innit.
19:03	trinque	rebooted the pogo, light on the front went green, and the curl worked
19:04	danielpbarron	lol
19:04	trinque	might be good in the docs to say "make sure light's green, idiot"
19:04	trinque	:D
19:04	trinque	otherwise reboot it
19:04	danielpbarron	okie doke
19:04	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075064 << so far being on apple is such a blessing for nubsy
19:04	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 20:18:47; nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go
19:04	ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: I LOVE MY BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS
19:04	ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM
19:05	ben_vulpes	!raet bahahara 10 warrior of justice
19:05	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes you know they fucked ben affleck.
19:05	trinque	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I
19:05	assbot	The Whitest Kids U' Know - Pledge of Allegiance - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxI6KI )
19:05	mircea_popescu	i mean mutt damon
19:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129800 @ 0.0002614 = 33.9297 BTC [-] {4}
19:05	ben_vulpes	matt derpin
19:06	jurov	soo.. i have mixed sheepmarketplace and bitcash.cz
19:06	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075082 << confirmed.
19:06	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 20:39:24; mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.
19:07	mircea_popescu	jurov mixed ?
19:07	jurov	mixed up
19:07	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075089 << i've never used anything in the 7 branch or later. nor do i intend to ever do.
19:07	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 20:41:19; mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.
19:08	jurov	http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/ vs http://qntra.net/2015/03/czech-ministry-fingers-heist-suspect/
19:08	assbot	Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBb )
19:08	assbot	Czech Ministry Fingers Heist Suspect | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBf )
19:08	jurov	it's the same incident
19:08	trinque	the PogoPlug is meant to share files on a cloud or something << ehhehehe
19:11	mircea_popescu	jurov oh it is ? send an update/errata/we wouldja
19:12	jurov	only errata needed it's about sheep marketplace, not bitcash
19:12	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075117 << the problem with automated escrow is that well... it doesn't actually work too well as a principle. you need a human in the loop, basically.
19:12	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 20:53:53; funkenstein_: request for comment : 2crow.org
19:13	mircea_popescu	kinda why "multisig" stuff isn't taking off, in spite of all the power ranger effort dedicated at pushing that particular mudball uphill.
19:15	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> ... have the paycoins reached whatever yet ? << Apparently only for a select few who have beta-invites to an "independent online market" where they can buy goods in the thing. Totally not just a last hail mary to get anyone consider offering the slightest bit of buying support.
19:15	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075157 << you can't mine w/o wallet.
19:15	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 21:21:14; ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)
19:16	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ?
19:16	mircea_popescu	except no girls ther ?
19:16	mircea_popescu	sounds like these people should run a small soviet republic in central asia.
19:16	mircea_popescu	they got all the right mental furniture for it.
19:19	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075218 << one is going to use pogo as god meant it, proxy for walleted bitcoind.
19:19	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 21:47:49; ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
19:20	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? << Pretty much. Apparently some of the most loyal of shills have been selected. There's allegations I can't evidence that the stuff is being shipped from amazon as a gift from Homero J Garza.
19:20	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075224 << even a stock bitcoind, hobbled to ONLY talk to your local pogo.
19:20	assbot	Logged on 27-03-2015 21:49:57; mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc
19:21	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo shills getting payola is so common there's actually provisions in most criminal codes for it.
19:21	mircea_popescu	it's funny how the guy is appearingly going through the book and breaking literally everything.
19:21	mircea_popescu	even conventions that outstretch the fucking treaty of paris.
19:21	BingoBoingo	Yup, but somehow Preet hasn't to my knowledge seen fit to reel in Gibson to share Shaver's chair
19:21	mircea_popescu	"so what if it's been in the code since westphalia ?!?!?!"
19:23	mircea_popescu	speaking of history : http://www.schillerinstitute.org/strategic/treaty_of_westphalia.html << westphalia likbez.
19:23	assbot	The Treaty of Westphalia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BuEov0 )
19:26	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You want to do a Garza violates Westphalia piece for qntra?
19:26	mircea_popescu	doubt he's worth the attention.
19:26	mircea_popescu	maybe once he's arguing in court or somethign
19:27	mircea_popescu	(but alf may appreciate article I : "A Christian general and permanent peace, and true and honest friendship, must rule between the Holy Imperial Majesty and the Holy All-Christian Majesty"
19:27	mircea_popescu	who thought the all-russia thing is original ? no such thing as originality. the new czars wanted to be better caesars than the previous czars is all.)
19:30	asciilifeform	<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ? << the lulzy part was the bureaucrat, not whoring in the abstract
19:31	asciilifeform	<danielpbarron> i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on << afaik the backdoor works on all released pogov4
19:32	asciilifeform	<mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? <ben_vulpes> in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets. << aha. sit on the stake until explained, yes.
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19:34	asciilifeform	<mircea_popescu> ... you can't mine w/o wallet << wallet doesn't need to be local
19:34	asciilifeform	(can be on separate machine)
19:34	mircea_popescu	kinda contorted but i guess
19:36	asciilifeform	<mircea_popescu> ... westphalia likbez << even where i went to school it was taught, as a foundational gadget of the (pre-ww1) civilized world...
19:36	mircea_popescu	in a sense.
19:37	asciilifeform	(amerikan school! palmer & colton was the quick'n'dirty book, plus period sources)
19:37	mircea_popescu	(this to note that the given link is merely a perspective, and not divine truth. the treatment of fouquet is particularly ignorant, for instance - while the man was rich it is not clear he stole anything, and his disgrace has nothing to do with the minister and everything to do with the king, who visited once and was displeased at the luxurious manner in which he was received.)
19:38	*	asciilifeform went to a slightly odd school, not entirely representative of usa
19:38	mircea_popescu	you actually went to school there ?
19:38	asciilifeform	aha
19:38	asciilifeform	from 3rd grade up, even
19:38	mircea_popescu	ic
19:38	asciilifeform	(not secret)
19:39	asciilifeform	last 4 years was in a kind of quasi-public one where you get in by exam (these still exist)
19:39	trinque	I went to one of those
19:39	trinque	"magnet school"
19:39	asciilifeform	not mircea_popescuing gymnasium by any measure, but considerably less lame than the off the shelf fare
19:40	mircea_popescu	it doesn't sound all that bad.
19:40	mircea_popescu	"Northwestern University simply cannot stop being awesome. From getting drunk and hollering about blowjobs to throwing blackface Halloween parties to producing a little rapper by the name of Chet Haze, Northwestern University never does anything less than the most awesome thing to do in any given situation. That's why regular schools have "Human Sexuality" classes, but Northwestern University has HOT LIVE FUCKSAW demon
19:40	mircea_popescu	strations:
19:40	mircea_popescu	The optional presentation last Monday, attended by about 120 students, featured a naked non-student woman being repeatedly sexually stimulated to the point of orgasm by the sex toy, referred to as a "fucksaw." The device is essentially a motorized phallus.
19:40	mircea_popescu	John Michael Bailey, the psychology professor who leads the class in question, declined to comment to the Daily Northwestern "due to class preparations that he said last until Friday." He then hastily grabbed his fucksaw, retreated to his lair, and locked the door."
19:40	asciilifeform	theoretically qualified the kids for admission to eu unis
19:40	*	asciilifeform did not uses this
19:40	asciilifeform	*use
19:41	*	mircea_popescu approves of northwestern.
19:42	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bailey is infamous for an epic grudgewank centered around his book, 'the man who would be queen'
19:42	asciilifeform	a treatise on transsexualism
19:43	mircea_popescu	because he correctly identifies the "transsexual" delusion as malignant narcissism ?
19:43	asciilifeform	as for the fucksaw, it was, iirc, made from a genuine reciprocating saw!
19:43	asciilifeform	brilliant concept, cheap & effective.
19:43	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha how'd you know.
19:43	asciilifeform	a real ripper of a book, too
19:44	mircea_popescu	mywah.
19:44	asciilifeform	mega-recommended.
19:51	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case. <<< emery famously listed "marijuana seed dealer" on his income tax returns for years. ended up remitting ~$2mn in total
19:51	asciilifeform	^ in total << before picked up ?
19:52	asciilifeform	or what, quit on his own ?
19:52	nubbins`	<+ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM <<< a node's a node, smarty-pantses!
19:52	asciilifeform	and i'll add that the real 'explaining' happens after they take your money, all at once
19:52	asciilifeform	'tell us why you should see this dough again?'
19:53	asciilifeform	'or you'll what, sue? with what?'
19:53	trinque	got stock debian on my pogo
19:53	trinque	this is where I ended up due to the "..." in the uboot section of instructions
19:53	asciilifeform	trinque: tried turdel ?
19:53	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? except no girls ther ? << ;;google itchy & scratchy bucks
19:53	trinque	asciilifeform: put debian on the sd card in a partition, I assume I can flash the nand from there?
19:53	trinque	and then add a uboot entry for it?
19:53	asciilifeform	trinque: if you replace whatever kernel you have now, on whatever kind of drive, with it - it will boot
19:54	asciilifeform	carries own rootfs
19:54	trinque	ah neat
19:54	nubbins`	<+asciilifeform> ^ in total << before picked up ? <<< before picked up.
19:54	asciilifeform	trinque: don't flash turdel into your nand
19:54	asciilifeform	it'll be difficult to replace it
19:54	trinque	k
19:54	nubbins`	as in, legitimately paid $2mn in taxes on marijuana seed sales over about a decade
19:54	asciilifeform	i didn't build mtd utils in there
19:54	nubbins`	which the government received, processed each year
19:54	trinque	asciilifeform: I'll keep the debian around and add this as a boot entry
19:55	asciilifeform	it's a turdel not a kernel for good reason
19:55	asciilifeform	(for one thing, source not posted yet)
19:55	trinque	heh
19:55	asciilifeform	deliberately self-contained. you don't need to add cmd params to it
19:55	asciilifeform	or have a root partition
19:55	nubbins`	trinque tftp -> mmc -> usb -> sata is an ok setup
19:55	nubbins`	for boot order
19:56	nubbins`	if you follow vanilla "hack the pogo" instructions, you can keep the original setup in the loop too
19:56	asciilifeform	^ until we overwrite it
19:56	nubbins`	^
19:56	trinque	yeah supposedly I still have their magic cloud distro on here
19:56	asciilifeform	the real battlefield build will write over the nand
19:57	trinque	as per http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
19:57	assbot	Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0HHA2 )
19:57	asciilifeform	though theoretically we will be using only a tenth or so of the room
19:57	nubbins`	you planning to do a single-item boot list, or keep option for tftp/etc?
19:58	nubbins`	trinque +1, that's the guide i've been following
19:58	nubbins`	right now my pogo will try tftp, then boot debian from sd card, or original pogo if none present
19:58	asciilifeform	if screwing with uboot, leave at least 1sec in the boot delay timer
19:58	trinque	nubbins`: yeah that sounds good to me
19:58	asciilifeform	saves much headache if you want to turn the knobs again from serial console because b0rk3d boot media
19:58	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> 'or you'll what, sue? with what?' << in which vein, mp has never explained any such thing, to anyone, ever, nor does he mean to start.
19:59	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is not a prisoner
19:59	asciilifeform	in usgbankschwitz
19:59	mircea_popescu	"i
19:59	mircea_popescu	"i'll not as much sue as send your daughter to dance for soros. how about that."
20:00	*	asciilifeform would also like an atomic zeppelin
20:01	asciilifeform	but not everyone can have.
20:01	asciilifeform	(cannot argue against it being a mighty fine thing!)
20:01	mircea_popescu	;;google all we need is love
20:01	gribble	Ricki-Lee - All We Need Is Love - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KifF5OMDIsM>; All You Need Is Love - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLEtGRUrtJo>; Beatles - All You Need Is Love Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/all-you-need-is-love-lyrics-beatles.html>
20:01	asciilifeform	more to the point, 'yellow submarine'
20:02	mircea_popescu	im not sure we're all homo enough to live on the same submarine
20:02	asciilifeform	l0l true
20:03	*	asciilifeform recalls some 'dark future of hello kitty' (tm) novel with 'gay pill'
20:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125226 @ 0.00025811 = 32.3221 BTC [-] {2}
20:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45874 @ 0.00025191 = 11.5561 BTC [-]
20:06	asciilifeform	http://upstart.bizjournals.com/companies/media/2015/03/12/guardian-takes-back-claims-news-report-on-whisper.html << slightly out-of-date mega-l0l. 'guardian' forced to retract piece exposing egregious chumpatron
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20:06	assbot	The Guardian issues clarification on Whisper privacy scandal that wasn't such a scandal after all ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0IRLT )
20:07	asciilifeform	'The fallout from The Guardian investigation, which started while the newspaper was exploring an editorial partnership with Whisper, was hugely disruptive for the California startup, drawing the scrutiny of the U.S. Senate and leading CEO Michael Heyward to suspend parts of its editorial team.'
20:10	mircea_popescu	so basically, scam got called out originally
20:11	mircea_popescu	but then they figured out that when it comes to newspaper content, they got no alternative
20:11	mircea_popescu	and so...
20:12	asciilifeform	-suspend parts of its editorial team-.
20:12	asciilifeform	the honest men - now starve.
20:13	asciilifeform	(or wait tables, if lucky)
20:13	asciilifeform	the pliant muppets - fat, fatter.
20:13	mircea_popescu	they went to bat for the wrong ceo.
20:14	asciilifeform	where does the 'right ceo' live, l0l
20:14	mircea_popescu	in any case, gotta admire how narrowly the chumpatron works.
20:14	mircea_popescu	how does this thing advertise itself in wikipedia ? (and yes, that's what wikipedia is, usg-pravda)
20:14	mircea_popescu	Whisper has become popular on college campuses,[7] with usership at several large universities throughout the United States, including Pennsylvania State University, Arizona State University, University of Florida, Ohio State University, and University of Texas at Austin.
20:14	asciilifeform	pediwikia
20:14	mircea_popescu	because totally. it worked for facebook, right ?
20:14	asciilifeform	elementary honeypot
20:14	mircea_popescu	college campuses! we got them! that's the criteria!
20:15	mircea_popescu	"but maybe you deliberately are claiming this because you think it's the criteria ?"
20:15	mircea_popescu	*blank stare*
20:15	asciilifeform	buffett's algorithm - or ask any insect exterminator - zap'em young.
20:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137688 @ 0.00025091 = 34.5473 BTC [-] {3}
20:22	Chillum	advertising on Wikipedia?? unheard of!
20:23	thestringpuller	^- that brings some vivid imagery.
20:23	Chillum	point me to the spammer and I will block them!
20:24	thestringpuller	VC's are like the new crack dealers.
20:25	thestringpuller	These kids get addicted to their crack-money, and then depend on it. Next thing you know you're coinbase or reddit begging for 500mn.
20:25	thestringpuller	Sucking the USG dick.
20:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78346 @ 0.00024852 = 19.4705 BTC [-]
20:28	thestringpuller	https://medium.com/backchannel/inside-the-deep-web-drug-lab-9718cd0fe504
20:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.0002569 = 9.2484 BTC [+]
20:30	trinque	pogo's not a bad little device, surely not for the price
20:31	trinque	asciilifeform: where does turdel expect to find storage?
20:31	trinque	for the blockchain
20:32	nubbins`	turdel expects nothing yet
20:32	trinque	I'll wait on that then, until my usb serial thing comes
20:32	nubbins`	hey, your choice. the more eyes the better
20:33	nubbins`	worth figuring out the tftp setup, flasing the pogo, etc
20:33	trinque	thought was that having that would help me test
20:33	trinque	I can be useful without?
20:34	trinque	does that kernel belch serial console stuff to netconsole?
20:34	trinque	I figure otherwise if it gets stuck somewhere my best feedback is going to be "eh well, didn't go?"
20:35	nubbins`	well, you got through the qnology post, right?
20:35	nubbins`	http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
20:35	assbot	Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK4Lin )
20:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70526 @ 0.00024764 = 17.4651 BTC [-] {2}
20:35	nubbins`	debian up and running on it?
20:35	trinque	yeah
20:35	nubbins`	ok, how 'bout tftp
20:35	decimation	re: us 'college' http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bernie-sanders-2016-loan-fraud/2015/03/27/id/634817/ < " The wife of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist who is aligned with the Democrat Party, may have committed loan fraud and almost drove a small college into financial ruin, according to a report."
20:35	assbot	Report: Did Bernie Sanders' Wife Commit Loan Fraud? ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK4QTb )
20:35	nubbins`	most sane package managers should have a tftpd that you can install on your local machine
20:36	trinque	yeah I understand tftp
20:36	trinque	what are you guys using to watch it boot if not netconsole or the usb serial thing?
20:36	trinque	or are you just waiting for it to come up, then telnet-ing in?
20:36	nubbins`	so you interrupt the boot sequence w/ nc
20:37	nubbins`	then tftp the turdel blob over
20:37	trinque	ah this is in dpb's writeup
20:37	nubbins`	the first thing you have to do is update the boot sequence on your pogo
20:37	nubbins`	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html
20:37	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1xlzzZr )
20:37	nubbins`	start with the fw_setenv bits down bottom
20:37	trinque	k
20:37	nubbins`	"tftp server ip" is your desktop
20:38	nubbins`	wait, hold on now
20:38	nubbins`	i fucked this up last time.
20:38	nubbins`	fw_setenv "bootcmd='run boot_tftp'" <<< this needs to be modified
20:38	nubbins`	change that to:
20:38	nubbins`	/tmp/fw_setenv bootcmd 'run boot_tftp; run bootcmd_mmc; run bootcmd_usb; run bootcmd_sata; run bootcmd_pogo; reset'
20:38	nubbins`	that way if tftp boot fails, you're not bricked
20:39	trinque	cool
20:40	nubbins`	right. so once you get that done, you start up netcat on your desktop
20:40	nubbins`	$ nc -lu 6666 &
20:40	trinque	sweet, uboot does it
20:40	trinque	that's what I was wondering, whether I'd be blind during boot
20:40	nubbins`	$ nc -u <pogo ip> 6666
20:40	nubbins`	then just power cycle the pogo and watch the show
20:41	nubbins`	you'll see the 10-second countdown, hit enter
20:41	nubbins`	then Pogov4> tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet
20:41	nubbins`	Pogov4> bootm 0x800000
20:41	nubbins`	at which point it immediately boots into the turdel, give it a bit, then telnet into it
20:42	nubbins`	when you're done, killall nc
20:42	nubbins`	http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,14,14
20:42	assbot	Use netconsole to troubleshoot uBoot without a serial cable ... ( http://bit.ly/1xlAqsY )
20:43	nubbins`	if you manage to telnet into the turdel, pastebin some shit to prove it :D
20:44	nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QHGEWZdn
20:44	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1xlAHfA )
20:44	decimation	http://www.computerworld.com/article/2902310/toshiba-announces-industrys-densest-3d-flash-memory.html < " With the 3D NAND chips, which started shipping Thursday, solid-state drives (SSDs) with more than 10TB of storage are just around the corner, according to Brian Shirley, vice president of memory and technology solutions at Micron. "
20:44	assbot	Toshiba announces industry's densest 3D flash memory | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK6uo0 )
20:45	decimation	good thing, given the size of the blockchain
20:45	mircea_popescu	Chillum point me to the spammer and I will block them! << the whole thing exists principally as an advertising venue for a certain set of nonsense.
20:45	mircea_popescu	such as... whisper.
20:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105070 @ 0.00024754 = 26.009 BTC [-]
20:45	*	mircea_popescu meanwhile looked at hostmask.
20:45	Chillum	as a wikipedia admin I agree there is a lot of spam, though that is not the reason for its existence
20:46	mircea_popescu	well, take this with a grain of salt, so it may add digestion
20:46	mircea_popescu	but : the thinking here is that google putting wikipedia at top of search results is neither algorithmic nor coincidental.
20:46	Chillum	It is because we are linked so much
20:46	mircea_popescu	while it doesn't amount to conspiracy, it factually functions as one. flows driectly from confirnation bias.
20:46	mircea_popescu	mno, google doesn't either follow links or care about the results since years ago.
20:47	Chillum	Not sure what you mean by whisper
20:48	mircea_popescu	the certain (worthless) app was being discussed earlier re the guardian piece
20:48	Chillum	oh, well that article is a pile of crap.
20:48	mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075528
20:48	assbot	Logged on 28-03-2015 00:06:57; asciilifeform: http://upstart.bizjournals.com/companies/media/2015/03/12/guardian-takes-back-claims-news-report-on-whisper.html << slightly out-of-date mega-l0l. 'guardian' forced to retract piece exposing egregious chumpatron
20:48	mircea_popescu	specifically ?
20:48	Chillum	but Wikipedia is barely aware of its existence
20:48	decimation	Chillum: I once tried to edit a climate-change related article on wikipedia, my changes were immediate reverted by william connolley
20:48	Chillum	well that is a controversial article
20:49	Chillum	you would need to participate in the debate on the talk page
20:49	mircea_popescu	Chillum mind that what i said was, "in the article whisper made on wikipedia to advertise itself, which is what wikipedia is principally used for, they depict themselves as so and so, because that's what they perceive is aspiration-able"
20:49	Chillum	we discourage people from writing about themselves
20:49	Chillum	pretty hard to stop though
20:49	mircea_popescu	right.
20:49	Chillum	right
20:50	mircea_popescu	impossible to stop. anything anyone wants to talk about is themselves.
20:50	Chillum	we can't stop nuts from showing up all day with crazy theories either
20:50	mircea_popescu	but the fact that it has to be stopped in the first place says something.
20:50	mircea_popescu	haha showing up where ?
20:50	Chillum	on Wikipedia
20:51	decimation	wikipedia is the ultimate do-achracy
20:51	decimation	nobodies can camp all day on an article and 'win' if they revert/revise quickly enough
20:53	trinque	nubbins`: helps if you disable your firewall on local machine
20:53	trinque	:D
20:53	nubbins`	heh.
20:53	mircea_popescu	lol
20:53	mircea_popescu	he's from apple. wut firewall ?
20:54	trinque	mircea_popescu: they've got a nice pretend one with a fence icon, I'm sure
20:54	mircea_popescu	is it white ?
20:54	mircea_popescu	does it have a really short cable ?
20:54	*	trinque misses the reference
20:55	mircea_popescu	for a while i-somethings came with very short power cables, you could pay 20 bux or something for a human sized one.
20:55	mircea_popescu	because their primary market was w/e, rabbits or something.
20:55	trinque	oh, indeed
20:55	trinque	now only one cable, probably still short
20:55	*	trinque boots a turdel
20:55	mircea_popescu	i never said this before, because i didn't want to jinx it, but
20:56	mircea_popescu	i am fucking shocked they've not yet made square section cables
20:56	mircea_popescu	strikes me as exactly the sort of apple-esque innovationitivity.
20:56	Chillum	3d flash memory looks pretty awesome
20:56	*	Chillum drools at 10tb solid state drive
20:57	mircea_popescu	o wow, you actually churning that much data ?
20:58	mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot Chillum
20:58	assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user Chillum: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/Chillum | http://w.b-a.link/user/Chillum
20:58	jurov	when square cables twist(inevitably), it is very visible and it looks bad
20:59	mircea_popescu	jurov so make them out of dried panda tears so they don't twist.
20:59	Chillum	movies, tv, music
20:59	mircea_popescu	!rate Chillum 1 wikipedia
20:59	assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d153043aa0511b3b
20:59	Chillum	(all legally bought of course"
20:59	mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Chillum.1:fe02b9a13c2f6575aa1d01aa90703ea5ff5fdf144a166dc8d1aac9869a5e8361
20:59	assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for Chillum with note: wikipedia
21:00	Chillum	thanks
21:00	mircea_popescu	Chillum i have a coupla tb of movies girls prepped for me that i keep meaning to sometime see
21:00	mircea_popescu	must have been there since 2012ish
21:00	jurov	how much can 10tb of legal content cost? dat's like, 200 blurays
21:01	jurov	*legally purchased copyrasted content
21:01	mircea_popescu	i thought bluray was like 30gb
21:02	jurov	300 then. better yet.
21:02	mircea_popescu	In January 2007, Hitachi showcased a 100 GB Blu-ray Disc, consisting of four layers containing 25 GB each.
21:02	mircea_popescu	nm.
21:02	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> he's from apple. wut firewall ? <<< o.O the same firewall that obsd uses, smarty
21:03	mircea_popescu	right.
21:03	*	nubbins` shrugs, points to evidence
21:04	*	mircea_popescu ignores evidence, eats the points.
21:04	nubbins`	hey!
21:04	decimation	pfsense, yes, another apple thing shamelessly ripped by apple
21:05	decimation	err, bsd thing
21:05	nubbins`	not pfsense but PF
21:06	decimation	aye, pfsense is the distro right?
21:06	nubbins`	(what else'd you expect a BSD mutant to use?)
21:06	decimation	what bsd used before pf
21:07	trinque	nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/25ESNNY
21:07	assbot	dpaste: 25ESNNY: pogo turdel_with_telnet.gz, by trinque ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKa81b )
21:08	decimation	ipfw to be specific
21:08	mircea_popescu	you know there's going to be children named turdel because of you people.
21:08	danielpbarron	pfsense is a freebsd user-friendlier interface for OpenBSD's PF
21:08	trinque	asciilifeform: turdel_with_telnet.gz works over here
21:08	decimation	apple didn't move to pf until 10.7
21:08	nubbins`	trinque haha wd, another one in the club
21:08	nubbins`	decimation +1. they used fbsd firewall before that
21:09	mircea_popescu	"before turning off the obsd firewall, apple used to turn off the fbsd firewall"
21:09	decimation	none of which was prominently displayed on their marketing or specs
21:09	nubbins`	well, y'know. they also don't advertise that it comes with tftp
21:10	mircea_popescu	decimation dude why the hate, they were just taking from those hacker kids and giving back to the business community!
21:10	decimation	one of the reasons why I won quote-of-the-year last year :) http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304
21:10	assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKayV6 )
21:10	nubbins`	or the thousand other BSD userland utils.
21:10	mircea_popescu	the clown cars still cracks me up
21:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85590 @ 0.00025935 = 22.1978 BTC [+] {2}
21:11	decimation	it's true, because you are on bsd but you never know what is behind the bulkhead
21:11	decimation	although I would say that the folks at macports do a pretty good job of porting sane unix to osx
21:12	trinque	brew = you're gonna have a bad time
21:12	trinque	written with the rubyfuck whimsy that prioritizes cute names over clarity
21:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5660 @ 0.00026059 = 1.4749 BTC [+]
21:12	nubbins`	pouring bottle!
21:13	trinque	tapping keg! (winks at camera)
21:13	nubbins`	heh.
21:13	nubbins`	brew aint so bad
21:13	decimation	yeah I tried brew once, after about 15 minutes I ditched that shit
21:13	trinque	that guy "why" was a good fly zapper
21:14	nubbins`	maybe i'll do up a keg for 0.5.3.1 ;p
21:14	trinque	nubbins`: dunno, I could have laid into 'er too hard, but I've had to nuke my brew install > two hands amount of times
21:14	nubbins`	i nuked mine 3-4 times before i even started to understand wtf i was doing
21:15	trinque	probably makes more sense after you map the whimsy to useful symbols
21:15	nubbins`	just think of it as apt-get with weird terminology
21:15	trinque	it has a use-flags-esque thing
21:15	trinque	I like that.
		~ 19 minutes ~
21:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.00026293 = 11.306 BTC [+]
21:35	mircea_popescu	very vaguely lulzi wikipedia drama : apparently they have some sort of "did you know that..." advertising shtick.
21:35	mircea_popescu	one of the items in there was at some point that after [[Melina Perez|Melina]] ''(pictured)'' stripped [[Torrie Wilson]] in a bra & panties match at '''[[The Great American Bash (2005)]]''', referee [[Candice Michelle]] stripped Melina and herself as well?
21:36	mircea_popescu	i have nfi what this is, except iirc godaddy had a candice michelle doing some random sluttery in their bangbros inspired style.
21:36	decimation	lol http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us/politics/indiana-law-denounced-as-invitation-to-discriminate-against-gays.html?_r=0 < this article could have been in krokodil
21:36	assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee04lY )
21:36	mircea_popescu	however! an admin (bedford) launched in a very... naggumesque, so to say rant, on some blog or something. myspace profile ?
21:37	mircea_popescu	and as a result, mega huge shitfest, because how can he say things like feminazi and pms
21:37	mircea_popescu	"Bedford, if you really wrote that, I ask you to resign your adminship. I have no opinion right now if such a request is legitimate based on policy, or precedent. I only know you've lost my faith in your ability to act in a reasonable and impartial manner. And if you didn't write it, you need to find out who is impersonating you on myspace, because they're making you look really, really, really bad."
21:37	mircea_popescu	and soon enough jimbo himself
21:37	decimation	lol
21:37	mircea_popescu	*I have desysopped him. This is not even a close call. He's so far over the line of the conduct - both onsite and offsite - that I expect from admins that nothing short of a full and complete apology for his behavior and a retraction of his comments will do. Additionally, he will have to stand for re-election if he dares. As for me, I would never vote for someone with this kind of behavior in his history."
21:37	mircea_popescu	this is VERY amusing, seeing how child porn is in jimbo's history.
21:37	decimation	note the meanings of the words "reasonable" and "impartial"
21:38	mircea_popescu	right ?
21:38	decimation	"say what the fuck we want you to say when we want you to say it"
21:38	mircea_popescu	somehow factual unpleasantness does not belong in the soi dissant encyclopedia.
21:38	Chillum	what this place has more gossip than my mom's bridge games
21:38	mircea_popescu	you have no idea!
21:39	mircea_popescu	anyway, i declare myself suitably amused.
21:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45101 @ 0.00024778 = 11.1751 BTC [-]
21:39	decimation	"Marc Benioff, the chief executive of Salesforce.com, a technology company with a major presence in Indiana, announced that he would cancel all company events in the state."
21:39	decimation	"Jeremy Stoppelman, the founder of Yelp, which publishes online reviews of businesses, issued a warning to states like Indiana that “it is unconscionable to imagine that Yelp would create, maintain, or expand a significant business presence in any state that encouraged discrimination.”"
21:40	decimation	ideally Indiana will hold the line and become silicon valley free
21:40	mircea_popescu	oh, and, from the previous source,
21:40	mircea_popescu	"This type of combativeness and unseemly behavior is nothing new from Bedford. I suggest a request for user conduct be filed. I am also declining to post this from my account: I am a person of color who edits under my real name, lives close to Bedford and fears harassment or violence. I do not enjoy playing this card, but I grew up in the South and have good reason to fear Confederates and their ilk. 202.155.167.221 (t
21:40	mircea_popescu	alk) 01:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)"
21:40	mircea_popescu	so im guessing they de-op indiana now ?
21:40	decimation	exactly
21:40	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/pem5j
21:40	assbot	Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee0JE2 )
21:40	decimation	"Gen Con, a convention for game enthusiasts that draws nearly 60,000 people a year to Indianapolis, threatened to relocate its event out of state."
21:40	mircea_popescu	interestingly enough, yelp's failure to matter in indiana is ascribed as a fault of indiana.
21:40	decimation	heh yeah
21:41	decimation	as if any of these fuckheads would voluntarily step foot in a non-maritime state
21:41	mircea_popescu	nubbins` notbad.jpg. cazalla awake ?
21:41	asciilifeform	trinque: where does turdel expect to find storage << nowhere. you can manually mount sd and usb. (sata not yet working)
21:42	mircea_popescu	decimation what did indiana do ?
21:42	cazalla	mircea_popescu, about to step away in a few mins, what's up
21:42	mircea_popescu	other than being named badly, like that baseball team or w/e.
21:42	mircea_popescu	cazalla nubbins` link above. border cracked entropy gen.
21:42	asciilifeform	<trinque> does that kernel belch serial console stuff to netconsole << nope
21:42	decimation	"An Indiana law that could make it easier for religious conservatives to refuse service to gay couples touched off storms of protest on Friday from the worlds of arts, business and college athletics and opened an emotional new debate in the emerging campaign for president."
21:42	asciilifeform	trinque: but you can telnet to it!
21:42	nubbins`	if only it was USER AUDITABLE.
21:43	asciilifeform	(once it boots)
21:43	nubbins`	asciilifeform <+nubbins`> http://imgur.com/a/pem5j
21:43	assbot	Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee1eOk )
21:43	decimation	that's all the detail nyt gives on the matter before proceding on a krokodil-esque rant
21:43	mircea_popescu	decimation hopefully they rename it to obamana
21:43	decimation	heh
21:43	mircea_popescu	there is precedenstalingrad!
21:43	cazalla	mircea_popescu, i'll take a look soon
21:43	asciilifeform	nubbins`: ... tftpd that you can install on your local machine << try 'atftp' under gentoo
21:44	asciilifeform	then tftp the turdel blob over << not the correct way to use tftp. you leave the demon going, pointed at your build image
21:44	asciilifeform	then fully automatic
21:44	nubbins`	cazalla call the customs agents "notorious" if you can, they seized an ounce of salvia off me once
21:44	mircea_popescu	decimation "an indiana law that could" is apparently the politburo approved reference.
21:44	nubbins`	asciilifeform oh hey you're right, lel.
21:45	mircea_popescu	apparently these oh-so-edumancated kids forgot how to cite laws.
21:45	nubbins`	do i even posix-compliant os? ;p
21:45	nubbins`	asciilifeform i was mixing the fw_setenv and the one-off directions ;/
21:45	mircea_popescu	https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/568 << there it is, anyway.
21:45	decimation	http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/27/text-indianas-religious-freedom-law/70539772/
21:45	assbot	Here it is: The text of Indiana's ‘religious freedom’ law ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ee1KvW )
21:46	decimation	"Sec. 8. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), a governmental entity may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability. (b) A governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if the governmental entity demonstrates that application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest;
21:46	decimation	and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest."
21:46	decimation	damn I can feel the hate that drips from that text
21:46	asciilifeform	10tb solid state drive << flash still disposable.
21:46	mircea_popescu	especially as it provides injunctive and declaratory relief + damages.
21:47	asciilifeform	don't believe the lies of 'never dies.'
21:47	decimation	asciilifeform: yeah, still dies, but that's alot of graveyard
21:47	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the general home use of "large ssd" is mostly that, drop some pirated films on it, watch them never.
21:47	Chillum	all hard drives die. At least solid state dies in a more predictable fashion with wear levelling
21:47	mircea_popescu	for this, fl;ash is uniquely adequate.
21:47	asciilifeform	10tb of legal content << i have easily 10TB of -generated- contents, and none of it is film or audio
21:48	Chillum	asciilifeform: It is just hundreds of copies of the block chain
21:48	decimation	it's hilarious that a law that essentially says "congress shall make no law concerning religion" is the epitome of racisis
21:48	Chillum	most sensible countries limit government's effect on religion and religion's effect on government
21:49	decimation	of course, especially in states where it's expressly forbidden
21:49	asciilifeform	<trinque> ... turdel_with_telnet.gz works over here << congrats!
21:49	asciilifeform	not that i expect it to fail on any pogo. but it'sa pons asinorum
21:50	mircea_popescu	decimation i thought racis is when you beat up black dudes and chauvinist is when you beat up gay dudes. did they meanwhile merge to the shorter easier to pronounce one ?
21:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00025242 = 7.6988 BTC [+]
21:50	decimation	if the sv crowd is making a distinction it's news to me
21:51	decimation	from my corner of usia "chauvinist" implies "hate women"
21:52	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ... child porn is in jimbo's history << wai wat? l0l!
21:52	Chillum	did he go to the wrong summer camp?
21:53	mircea_popescu	i thought it was being inflexible with self-actualisation delusions. be it gayness, being a dragon or anything else. if derp says he can shit moons and you point and laugh... a chauvinist is you.
21:53	decimation	;;dict chauvinist
21:53	gribble	wn: chauvinist n 1: a person with a prejudiced belief in the superiority of his or her own kind 2: an extreme bellicose nationalist [syn: {chauvinist}, {jingoist}, {jingo}, {flag-waver}, {hundred-percenter}, {patrioteer}]
21:53	decimation	sure I'll buy it
21:54	*	Adlai drinks and ircs; is this some right of passage or wut
21:54	Adlai	asciilifeform: what are you generating TBs of
21:54	decimation	rainbow tables w/select salts :)
21:54	danielpbarron	i haven't had a drink in a while
21:54	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ancientstuff, before coming up with his current chumpatron he was doing the sort of thing bitpay guy is trying to bury
21:55	Chillum	asciilifeform: You have experience with those Cardanos? How do they output? Can they be hooked to a serial port?
21:55	mircea_popescu	he... makes them.
21:55	Chillum	nice
21:55	mircea_popescu	see s.nsa discussions
21:55	decimation	mr. lifeform is the designer and manufacturer of them - the use usb
21:55	asciilifeform	<Adlai> asciilifeform: what are you generating TBs of << was, at one point. molecular dynamics crud.
21:57	asciilifeform	<Chillum> ... Can they be hooked to a serial port? << if you are thinking of the rng discussed in last week's thread (a component of cardano, not yet released machine) it is an analogue device with a ttl schmidt trigger out
21:57	asciilifeform	0 to supply voltage.
21:57	danielpbarron	while on subject, what is the intended use case for the cardano? and by that I guess i mean, is it supposed to be used with MPEx? or more like a perfect forward secrecy thing? or can it be both?
21:57	asciilifeform	danielpbarron: it is intended for pretty much anything -but- mpex
21:58	asciilifeform	(unless you're stupendously loaded and don't mind shelling out 30 btc if you ever pull 'zap' trigger)
21:58	Chillum	I have no need, but once I own one I know a need will present itself
21:58	Chillum	30btc?
21:58	decimation	price of a seat on mpex
21:59	Chillum	ah
22:03	asciilifeform	'Mycelium Entropy opened by Border Agents' << entirely unsurprising. 'how're we to know that it isn't full of crystal meth?!1111'
22:03	hanbot	encrypted meth
22:03	jurov	tbh, "mycelium" "entropy" souds like some suspicious chemical
22:04	asciilifeform	in the end, products like this will have to ship either 1) by charter courier and/or 2) with tamper-sensitive omnidirectional video/audio/gps/inertial nav recorder
22:05	asciilifeform	(2) will be a cherished item, costly and mailed back'n'forth by typical owner and vendors
22:05	jurov	(3) by pigeons
22:06	asciilifeform	(i discussed several possible designs in past threads. basic principle is that a private key is destroyed upon the first sign of handling, and a secondary spare key signs every subsequent frame of recording. frames prior to this can be believed with some confidence if device arrives)
22:06	asciilifeform	jurov: or mechanical 'pigeon'
22:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00025025 = 13.8138 BTC [-]
22:06	decimation	apparently usg courts have ruled that 'exit' searches are legal
22:07	jurov	mechanical pigeons have radar signature, susceptible to gps jamming and whatnot
22:07	Chillum	regulars pigeons have radar signatures too
22:08	asciilifeform	jurov: you'd be surprised at the minimal radar cross section necessary to get anyone's attention
22:08	asciilifeform	nobody sits and audits eagles.
22:08	mircea_popescu	lol asciilifeform could write a tv show
22:08	mircea_popescu	SF Bitcoin!
22:08	mircea_popescu	jurov it does, at that.
22:08	asciilifeform	'the way to predict the future is to invent it' (TM)
22:08	decimation	yeah civilian radar is designed to work with transponders
22:08	decimation	not non-cooperative targets
22:08	Chillum	some airports have bird radar, so don't fly around those
22:08	asciilifeform	let them begin to audit eagles.
22:09	mircea_popescu	anyway, i posit your 2) is rank nonsense. you can either not care what happens to the package, or own the infrastructure.
22:09	asciilifeform	'heighten the contradictions', bankrupt the idiots
22:09	mircea_popescu	this case where you care and make the package enforce your law against the natives is nonsense.
22:09	decimation	maybe eagles should be subject to border search too
22:09	Chillum	F-15E Strike Eagle vs normal eagle
22:09	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: again with your habituation to the atomic dirigible
22:09	mircea_popescu	even if you're visiting the stone age from 2500 ad.
22:09	mircea_popescu	they'll find a way to crack your steel drum open with dinosaur bones.
22:09	asciilifeform	let'em spend money searching for way to crack drum and not show up on youtube.
22:10	mircea_popescu	on what youtube dood. their youtube ?
22:10	asciilifeform	the headsoff youtube
22:10	asciilifeform	if necessary
22:10	mircea_popescu	anyway : you may be right re dirigibles, maybe. but i posit it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with fucking.
22:10	asciilifeform	purpose is as much to drive the enemy mad faster, as to preserve any cargo
22:10	asciilifeform	'harassment weapon'
22:10	mircea_popescu	specifically, when one is looking to get laid, the correct strategy is to keep looking until one runs into a similarly minded bit of tail
22:11	mircea_popescu	NOT to try and devise a magical wand that makes arbitrary bits o' tail similarly minded.
22:11	mircea_popescu	well maybe like that. thos ounds pretty golden-toilety.
22:11	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: golden-toilety << not necessarily
22:11	asciilifeform	ultimately doesn't need to be any more complicated than a typical 'pNohe'
22:12	asciilifeform	not proposing to craft this personally, mind you
22:12	asciilifeform	but putting the idea out.
22:12	asciilifeform	for archaeologists.
22:12	mircea_popescu	lol k.
22:12	mircea_popescu	undata is strictly gay for spacestation hikes and alf is putting out for archeologists.
22:12	asciilifeform	let'em pass bans against 'recording servant of the king'
22:12	asciilifeform	and then try to prove that the toaster you sent does so
22:13	mircea_popescu	notgonna bother proving.
22:13	asciilifeform	because it has a somewhat glossy pinhole
22:13	mircea_popescu	also, by the time things are in that rut, cheaper to bribe agents than to fight the tech war.
22:13	decimation	asciilifeform: they already have many such bans
22:13	decimation	'two-party consent'
22:14	decimation	actually it would be amusing for a robber to sue you for recording him without permission
22:14	asciilifeform	probably happened
22:14	decimation	or more precisely, the state to charge you
22:14	mircea_popescu	i know of case robber suing because he hurt himself falling through hole in roof he made
22:14	Chillum	I don't think you have an expectation of privacy while robbing
22:15	decimation	Chillum: that's now how the wiretap law is worded
22:15	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: more than one case in usa
22:15	mircea_popescu	but, france
22:15	asciilifeform	one even including a power saw
22:15	asciilifeform	that burglar decided to play with
22:15	asciilifeform	for no particular reason, in some schmuck's garage
22:15	Chillum	anyone can sue for any reason, the question is how successful were they?
22:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107200 @ 0.00026369 = 28.2676 BTC [+] {3}
22:16	mircea_popescu	you gotta hire a laywer right ?
22:17	mircea_popescu	so that successful.
22:17	Chillum	that is not a high... bar
22:17	decimation	anytime lawyers are involved everyone except lawyers loses
22:17	Chillum	to hire a lawyer you need money and... just money
22:17	mircea_popescu	http://pando.com/2014/06/09/yes-jimmy-wales-there-is-a-right-to-be-forgotten/ << pando throwing a shitfit. "how dares anyone say i am what my history rather than my narrative!11"
22:17	assbot	Yes, Jimmy Wales, There Is a Right To Be Forgotten | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxX57w )
22:18	mircea_popescu	Chillum maybe. this is not exactly so, much like to get a plumber is not just a matter of money.
22:18	Chillum	right to be forgotten?
22:18	mircea_popescu	depends where you live, how famous you are etc.
22:18	mircea_popescu	Chillum idiotic eu concept. let's make up rights maybe people vote for us.
22:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recall the thread where i posited that being a kiddie diddler is a prime grade qualification for becoming a usg stooge (on account of having a ready jail string to be pulled by) ?
22:18	Chillum	there are lawyers with standards and there are lawyers who will take any paid job
22:18	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't say ?!
22:18	asciilifeform	probably a higher qualification than having attended harvaprinceyalebridge
22:18	Adlai	what's a kiddie diddler?
22:19	Adlai	as in 'hacker'?
22:19	mircea_popescu	probably somehow who rearranges kids
22:19	mircea_popescu	with his cock
22:19	Adlai	like the young master s
22:19	Chillum	blackmail and covert ops have gone hand in hand historically
22:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform subreason i linked that is, check out jimbo mouthpiece for google. ALSO not algorithmic, exactly.
22:20	Chillum	but there are agents and there are assets
22:20	asciilifeform	who is surprised.
22:20	Chillum	being an agent is having a job, being an asset is being property
22:21	asciilifeform	agent is the fella who recruits assets.
22:21	asciilifeform	this is known to schoolchildren
22:21	asciilifeform	although i suppose in different cultures there might be other names
22:21	mircea_popescu	Chillum hey, how did you end up in here ?
22:22	Chillum	nubbins` said the converstation was better here
22:22	*	nubbins` shrugs helplessly
22:22	nubbins`	was i right?
22:22	Chillum	oh ya, meeting of the minds
22:23	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
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22:23	mircea_popescu	ok...
22:23	asciilifeform	let's suppose we are satisfied with a leisurely 100km/hr transit.
22:23	decimation	lol
22:24	asciilifeform	84 hr. voyage
22:24	mircea_popescu	what flies 100km/hr ? either 16 or 600.
22:24	asciilifeform	out of my arse i pull a 250 watt engine.
22:24	asciilifeform	;;calc 84*250/400
22:24	gribble	52.5
22:24	asciilifeform	kg of LiMnO2 cell
22:24	Chillum	regarding pigeons: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
22:24	assbot	RFC 2549 - IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxY2gf )
22:24	asciilifeform	did i miss anything ?
22:24	mircea_popescu	Chillum it's not better per se, just the variety of assholes is greater.
22:24	asciilifeform	(payload, naturally; wings; extra)
22:24	decimation	asciilifeform: that's not a small pigeon
22:24	Chillum	diversity is the key to assholery
22:25	asciilifeform	but not a 'boeing' either
22:25	asciilifeform	or even a 'cessna'
22:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform electric batteries are a joke.
22:25	asciilifeform	more like an andean condor.
22:25	decimation	well, it's probably close to a cessna
22:25	mircea_popescu	gasoline is this 1.5mw battery.
22:25	decimation	yeah why batteries
22:25	asciilifeform	burning gasoline gives off heat signature
22:25	asciilifeform	and noise
22:25	mircea_popescu	are you building a flying submarine ?
22:25	asciilifeform	electric - no louder than a drill
22:25	Chillum	RFC 2549 is my favourite RFC
22:25	mircea_popescu	this is what i get for not letting him build pogo cnc
22:25	decimation	make it a turboprop and you can fly up to predator altitutde
22:25	mircea_popescu	now he wants to build a dynamo submarine
22:26	decimation	less air resistance, too far to hear
22:26	mircea_popescu	one day this guy is going to make us sorry we mocked yekudsky
22:26	mircea_popescu	or w/e harry potter fanfic guy's name is
22:26	asciilifeform	anyway, placed here for the enjoyment of the gentlemen t3rr0r1st3z
22:26	mircea_popescu	pop quiz : do terrorists also prefer blondes ?
22:26	Chillum	if you want to stay in the air a long time go for a lighter than air drone
22:27	asciilifeform	Chillum: gigantic radar cross section
22:27	jurov	50kg battery means 5m3 helium blimp
22:27	asciilifeform	Chillum: the most effectual lift gas, H2, is about 1g/litre
22:27	asciilifeform	calculate necessary envelope of gas!
22:27	asciilifeform	for anything worthwhile as payload
22:27	asciilifeform	and power source.
22:27	asciilifeform	you get a 'goodyear blimp'
22:27	asciilifeform	try hiding that as a 'bird.'
22:27	Chillum	I suppose if you made an aluminum skin like the hindinburg
22:27	decimation	asciilifeform: solar powered aircraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse#Solar_Impulse_2_.28HB-SIB.29
22:27	assbot	Solar Impulse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1wEp5 )
22:28	asciilifeform	^ yes, famouse
22:28	asciilifeform	there is one quite like it hanging in a museum here.
22:28	mircea_popescu	actually what i'd really like to see would be a truely flying microfibre machine.
22:28	decimation	aye
22:28	asciilifeform	again, huge cross-section
22:28	mircea_popescu	think 100sqft of "plastic foil"
22:28	decimation	they are flying around the world with the new model
22:28	mircea_popescu	that actually flies, sorta like a manta
22:28	Chillum	just get some radar, go into the desert and figure out what can hold hydrogen but does not absorb or reflect radar
22:28	decimation	236ft wingspan
22:28	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i designed, on paper, such a thing. ionic lift.
22:28	Chillum	hydrogen itself will be more transparent than air
22:29	mircea_popescu	tiny microprocessor/sensors to graps its situation
22:29	asciilifeform	needs power source about 100x denser than LiMnO2
22:29	decimation	" 4 × electric motors powered from solar cells and 4 x 41 kWh lithium-ion batteries (633 kg), providing 13 kW[19], electric motors (17.4 HP) each"
22:29	asciilifeform	;;google ion lifter
22:29	gribble	Ionocraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft>; LIfter/Ion Craft, Biefeld Brown Effect, Part 4 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcgz7nKkqbI>; How Ion Propulsion, Lifters and Ionocrafts Work - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01F8V5IhB5k>
22:29	mircea_popescu	and contraction somehow to make it move.
22:29	mircea_popescu	that'd be a kickass robot.
22:29	Chillum	high voltage on those ion lifters
22:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not straight up like that. a flexible foil that exploits atmospheric randomness
22:29	mircea_popescu	ie, slides according to heat layers.
22:29	decimation	;;calc (52.5/633)*236
22:29	gribble	19.5734597156
22:29	Chillum	keep in mind that in addition to radar they are looking for signal emissions
22:29	decimation	^ 19ft wingspan for your 52 kg batteries
22:29	decimation	cessna
22:29	Chillum	an ion lifter would stick out like a sore thumb
22:30	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: heat layers << as birds do ?
22:30	mircea_popescu	yes but imagine a superthin bird.
22:30	mircea_popescu	"like plastic bag in ocean" more apt.
22:30	Chillum	you could always just fly between mountains
22:30	mircea_popescu	a plastic bag never reaches the bottom, it is ground into mush before.
22:30	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: one of my intended applications for waveguide motor was to make ornithopter transition from joke to practical
22:30	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if you could make the waveguide very flat and tiny
22:31	asciilifeform	arbitrarily thin
22:31	mircea_popescu	it would prolly work for this application
22:31	asciilifeform	any conductor can be it.
22:31	mircea_popescu	tho electrostatic may be better
22:31	Chillum	an ornithopter would work fine on Titan
22:31	Chillum	or in the fictional Mars/Barsoom
22:31	Chillum	(not the real Mars though)
22:31	jurov	mircea_popescu: iirc there is medusa-like contraption that was considered most efficient way to keep heavier tha air machine afloat
22:32	jurov	can't find the link
22:32	mircea_popescu	i recall that. something in that vein, yes
22:32	Chillum	did anyone see the Ted talk where they had a hummerbird model flying?
22:32	mircea_popescu	the newer polymers hold a lot of promise for strength etc
22:32	asciilifeform	at any rate, we know precisely what machine ought to look, weigh, and function like.
22:32	asciilifeform	ordinary bird.
22:32	Chillum	humming bird size, flapping wings, a blur
22:32	asciilifeform	say, canada goose.
22:32	Chillum	you could put a neural control system on a real bird
22:32	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform really more like a manta that's an acre and goes in air.
22:33	asciilifeform	^ no longer fits the 'not distinguishable from actual bird except at visual contact range' bill, does it.
22:33	asciilifeform	brb
22:33	jurov	if can be done transparent
22:34	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> Chillum it's not better per se, just the variety of assholes is greater. << this is prob more accurate
22:34	jurov	but it'd need to avoid rain at all costs, i guess
22:35	Chillum	there are plenty of weather balloons out there. They don't follow flight plans. A large balloon would not be too out of place
22:35	Chillum	you can steer by changing altitude
22:35	Chillum	super low power
22:36	decimation	there's folks who make a hobby of locating radiosondes
22:36	decimation	http://www.blackcatsystems.com/software/radiosonde-decoder.html < one example
22:36	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GxZPSp )
22:37	Chillum	radio hacking is cool
22:37	jurov	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_citFkSNtk
22:37	assbot	Festo AirJelly - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy02oP )
22:38	Chillum	it is not that hard to setup a software defined radio to track the transponders of aircraft nearby
22:39	decimation	Chillum: yes the popular tool is the rtl 2832 chip on a usb connected to software that decodes mode-s transponder emissions
22:40	Chillum	On another topic I am trying to hack my router(without looking up how to, figuring it out is the fun part)
22:40	Chillum	I found references to a uart in the firmware
22:40	Chillum	hopefully I can pop busybox or something
22:45	nubbins`	check out openwrt if you get stuck
22:47	Chillum	that is cheating
22:48	Chillum	I want to hack the OS that is on it now
22:48	Chillum	get root access
22:48	Chillum	get doom running
22:49	Chillum	insecurity in routers is a real problem. Most homes have a router that can be hacked by anyone who connects over wifi. From there they can packet sniff
22:53	Adlai	cf http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html
22:53	assbot	Internet Census 2012 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1C7Mv )
22:54	Chillum	I have found software from 2002 on my router
22:54	Chillum	DLINK likes to keep code a long time
22:57	Adlai	#b-a poll: who has found machine learning worth learning, as a human who learns machines their work
22:58	Adlai	(for 19th century vernacular values of the transitive 'learn')
22:59	asciilifeform	balloon << again, gigantic radar (and wind sail) cross-section.
23:02	mircea_popescu	Adlai afaik nobody.
23:02	Chillum	again, already lots of weather balloons out there going in random directions
23:02	Chillum	just blend in
23:02	Chillum	they go to an altitude above aircraft, when they start dropping the self destruct to avoid the airspace
23:03	asciilifeform	for those who insist on balloons, at least study the state of the art: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/41791.html/fusen-bakudan-balloon-bomb
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23:03	assbot	Chicago Boyz » Blog Archive » Fusen Bakudan balloon-bomb ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy3EqM )
23:03	Chillum	not state of the art. Lighter than air craft are getting very advanced
23:04	Adlai	mircea_popescu: sorry but you're not relevant here; you learn people their work, not machines
23:04	mircea_popescu	actually, my bird wouldn't be a baloon. it'd be a sheet of plastic, basically. this can have zero size if it wants to
23:04	Adlai	not that people aren't machines, but i think that you now know what i means
23:04	mircea_popescu	the question is whether you know what you mean.
23:05	*	Adlai knows what he wants, not what he needs
23:05	asciilifeform	Chillum: if you're not familiar with the fusen bakudan - it was a very elegant & clever design which exploited facts about high-atmosphere air currents
23:05	asciilifeform	and cost almost nothing
23:05	mircea_popescu	is this the thing that dropped japanese glass beads ?
23:06	asciilifeform	dropped thermite and hexagen
23:06	asciilifeform	clockwork released, depending on time, sandbags or payload bomblets
23:07	decimation	http://www.wired.com/2014/06/google-balloons-year-later/ < balloon with useful payload
23:07	assbot	Google's Balloon Internet Experiment, One Year Later | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1ESgX )
23:07	asciilifeform	https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5009/5307743155_c1862e4a33_z.jpg
23:07	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I1EWNA )
23:11	nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqRugDQC02Q&feature=youtu.be
23:11	assbot	What is the point of the "tamper evident" sticker on the Mycellium entropy devices? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1FBi8 )
23:11	nubbins`	my sides.
23:11	nubbins`	for those who don't watch: guy removes device from package w/o damaging tamper evident sticker
23:12	asciilifeform	l0l
23:12	asciilifeform	i would also add that the 'uncopyability' of hologram is greatly exaggerated.
23:12	asciilifeform	esp. if you have them made at somebody else's press
23:12	nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/8UWZy87.gifv
23:12	assbot	WHAAARRRBBLLLGLLLAARRBBBLE ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1FYt7 )
23:14	Chillum	asciilifeform: and it did next to zero damage
23:15	Chillum	tamper evident sticker will only stop a casual attacker, not one with resources
23:15	Chillum	ie a state actor
23:15	decimation	^ which is why the device must be inspectible/audit-able by user
23:15	Adlai	some of the devices shipped with teh sticker glued to the wrong side
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23:15	nubbins`	ha
23:15	asciilifeform	Chillum: for a hypothetical smuggler, balloon only needs to land within range of cell tower and connect for a few seconds, send enciphered coords
23:15	Chillum	If you want to make sure the government has not tampered with a package, put some weed in there. If the weed is still there they probably did not look lol
23:16	Adlai	ie sticker covering the hinges of the plastic casing, rather than the clasp
23:16	mircea_popescu	you can trivially make tamper evident stickers that aren't fixable with infinite resoruces.
23:16	Chillum	ohhh I did not realize we were talking about smuggling devices
23:16	asciilifeform	(has obvious caveats, but may still be cost-effective)
23:16	decimation	or you could go out back and pick up some uranium ore and build your own rng
23:16	mircea_popescu	first step being, make them secret.
23:16	Adlai	https://imgur.com/bZ3t7VN
23:16	assbot	I do not understand the Mycelium Entropy packaging - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1GHKT )
23:16	Chillum	Semi-submersible latches onto side of cargo ship below the water lines, gets carried
23:17	Adlai	reddit comments are top lel: http://redd.it/30g79h
23:17	assbot	I do not understand the Mycelium Entropy packaging : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1GTtu )
23:17	Chillum	I assume since we are on IRC this is hypothetical
23:17	nubbins`	Adlai i guess those magnets aren't strong enough.
23:17	Adlai	magnets{
23:17	Adlai	?
23:17	nubbins`	little silver thing in the case there
23:17	nubbins`	anyway
23:17	asciilifeform	Chillum: we are thinking of what intelligent smugglers might do a decade from today
23:17	nubbins`	<rassah> I would have secured them better by adding a sticker on the other side too (I got them the way you got them before shipping), but I had very few extra stickers. Should have been put on the front. I dont know what happened here. Maybe they were putting them on the sides without realizing how flexible the box is, and only realized when they almost ran out? Pretty sad that after such a huge amount of work adding and improving internal
23:17	nubbins`	hardware and software security, that there was such a simple oversight.
23:17	Chillum	asciilifeform: I think attaching to the underside of ships
23:18	nubbins`	"pretty sad that a fuckin sticker determines whether our device is a paperweight or not"
23:18	asciilifeform	make them secret << the only tamper-evident concept worth anything is the kind only evident to the intended recipient.
23:18	*	Adlai almost starts to feel respect for truecrypt devs, who at least admitted, behind their veil of anonimity, that they have nfc what they're doing
23:18	decimation	yes, it was the honorable route
23:19	Chillum	multiple colors of wax melted into a seal with photo delivered separately is still used by embassies in hostile mail systems
23:19	Chillum	very hard to reproduce the identical swirls
23:19	Chillum	in nuclear regulatory systems they seal with a metal button and then scratch it up with a pin and photograph the scratches
23:19	asciilifeform	Chillum: very hard to reproduce the identical swirls << l0l. you don't need to reproduce the seal. only the box.
23:19	Chillum	under the assumption that you could not produce identical scratches
23:20	Chillum	permeable paper, the wax absorbs into the paper which is a solid seamless envelope
23:20	asciilifeform	in the linked example, no one had to even build a second box - original opened and closed undamaged.
23:20	danielpbarron	!s bill of lading
23:20	assbot	0 results for 'bill of lading' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bill+of+lading
23:21	asciilifeform	Chillum: unless the seal encloses the entire package, all you need to do is recreate the box and reattach the seal.
23:21	asciilifeform	(after having cut the original crate open on the end opposite)
23:21	mircea_popescu	maybe you can't detach the seal.
23:21	Chillum	again, no box. Small paper envelope
23:21	Chillum	wax absored into the paper
23:21	Chillum	old school method that still works today. If you can defeat it then you should sell the method to our fav government
23:21	asciilifeform	envelope has other side, edges
23:22	Adlai	what about just using fucking pke
23:22	asciilifeform	it is not difficult to dissolve and bond paper.
23:22	Adlai	or is gpg too complex for lizards?
23:22	asciilifeform	Adlai: go send coke and plutonium over pgp
23:22	Adlai	who sends coke and plutonium in diplomatic mail+
23:23	asciilifeform	plenty of folks
23:23	asciilifeform	nukes, even
23:23	asciilifeform	are known for a fact to have traveled in diplopouch
23:23	Chillum	big pouch
23:23	Adlai	maybe the launch codes. but the nuke itself doesn't fit in an envelope
23:23	Adlai	launch codes can be serialized and 'compressed'
23:23	asciilifeform	Chillum, Adlai : 'pouch' is a misnomer
23:23	decimation	the business end of a nuke is not large at all
23:24	asciilifeform	diplomatic mail has carried items as large as entire tanks
23:24	danielpbarron	http://szabo.best.vwh.net/seals.html
23:24	assbot	The Playdough Protocols ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy72C5 )
23:24	Adlai	"Miss Bianca, after all, is a poet too, and in any case she is due to travel any day now by diplomatic pouch to Norway."
23:24	decimation	http://www.state.gov/m/ds/rls/c33371.htm
23:24	assbot	2009 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy77Wd )
23:25	danielpbarron	Rejoining the breached container lid, knot, or latch and replacing the broken seal with a new, identical seal would have been, short of stealing the original unique seal carving, impossible to hide from the inspector.
23:25	asciilifeform	incidentally
23:26	asciilifeform	by vienna convention (1815 iirc) diplo couriers are permitted to treat any attack upon their cargo or person as an act of war
23:26	Adlai	danielpbarron: you don't have to touch the seal if the packaging itself is easier to replicate
23:26	asciilifeform	and shoot to kill
23:26	asciilifeform	su diplo couriers would also hit the Big Red Button (TM) on the crate
23:26	Adlai	corners and edges are a bitch
23:26	asciilifeform	if threatened
23:26	asciilifeform	(set off the thermite)
23:27	asciilifeform	this includes customs inspectors (who are supposes to stay the fuck away)
23:27	decimation	note the couriers watching the pouch cargo personally
23:28	asciilifeform	note also the 'pouch' quite large enough for a passenger car
23:28	danielpbarron	I don't like humor in professional communication. Not in code comments, not in technical manuals, not in user interfaces. << from the reddit thing on the mushroom thing
23:28	Chillum	This is a really good talk page the effectiveness(or lack there of) of tamper evident devices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIQml3MBJoE
23:28	assbot	DEFCON 19: Introduction to Tamper Evident Devices (w speaker) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy7Fvd )
23:29	Chillum	short story, they are not very good
23:29	Chillum	he shows how to remove and return the seals used on shipping containers
23:31	danielpbarron	Adlai, not if the seal and container are made of the same clay
23:31	asciilifeform	mass produced seals, sold commercially, are approximately as useful as the lock on a typical home door
23:31	asciilifeform	'keep honest man honest'
23:31	Adlai	danielpbarron: ie, the entire container is a seal?
23:31	danielpbarron	Adlai, ya
23:32	Adlai	this is a valid approach
23:32	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu et al : i would almost dare to suggest that the idiot seal was a deliberate smoke grenade to distract from the idiocy of the 'mycelium' produce itself
23:32	Adlai	or at least, s/is/seems/
23:32	danielpbarron	it's not economical / made more sense when voyages were so expensive
23:32	asciilifeform	http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt << pete's summary
23:33	assbot	Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn't. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61MkH )
23:33	mircea_popescu	aka marketing item.
23:33	asciilifeform	i meant, not merely the seal, but the trivially bent box (as shown in film linked earlier)
23:33	danielpbarron	these days there isn't that much to verify that a shipment hasn't been tampered with; a shipping container is "sealed" with a metal peg coated in plastic and stamped with some numbers
23:34	Chillum	The problem with the mycelium key is the same printers that accept USB sticks also have internal memory
23:34	asciilifeform	classical gambit - fuck a goat, folks will forget that you also fuck babies and guinea pigs
23:34	Adlai	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#footnote_1_54701 << s/3rd/4th/?
23:34	assbot	The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gy87tF )
23:34	Chillum	I like my solution better
23:34	Chillum	http://static.highinbc.com/20150313_194522.jpg
23:34	Chillum	tty thermal printer has no memory
23:34	mircea_popescu	Adlai right.
23:34	asciilifeform	Chillum: what is in the box ?
23:34	Chillum	a raspberry pi
23:35	Chillum	and a thermal receipt printer
23:35	Chillum	all controlled by 1 button
23:35	asciilifeform	i like thermal printers.
23:35	Adlai	not that it helps anyone
23:35	asciilifeform	happen to own one myself.
23:35	asciilifeform	they are good for printing onetimepads.
23:35	Chillum	It was a kit meant to print twitter feeds
23:35	asciilifeform	and system logs.
23:35	asciilifeform	(go delete that.)
23:35	Chillum	so I reimaged the sd with a base raspbian and wrote some python code to get addresses from vanitygen and print them
23:36	Chillum	no swap, use that runs vanitygen has read only access to drive and does everything in ram
23:36	Chillum	s/use/user/
23:36	Chillum	one time pads are cool
23:37	mircea_popescu	not a bad design.
23:37	Chillum	thanks. It was really fun making it
23:38	asciilifeform	only trouble spot is the rng
23:38	mircea_popescu	first time ppl that wander in here and a) aren't going to spaceghost the bitcoin ; b) aren't retarded.
23:38	asciilifeform	but other than that - sure
23:38	mircea_popescu	this is like...rare.
23:38	Chillum	the hwrng on the pi is better than the prng most computers use
23:38	asciilifeform	aha rare.
23:38	mircea_popescu	Chillum we don't trust it because very suspicious corp / closed turd.
23:38	asciilifeform	Chillum: it is not know for a fact to be anything other than prng
23:39	Chillum	my understanding is it is avalanche based
23:39	asciilifeform	and manufacturer has one of the worst histories of stonewalling and fraudulently 'open' source of any.
23:39	asciilifeform	understanding'
23:39	asciilifeform	means that one understands
23:39	asciilifeform	no?
23:39	Chillum	I agree it is integrated into a black box
23:40	asciilifeform	could be avalanche. could also be marsaglia seeded with phase of the moon.
23:40	asciilifeform	for all we can tell.
23:40	Chillum	though most entropy from PRNGs come from hard drive timings, which run black box firmware
23:40	nubbins`	that'd be pretty random.
23:40	asciilifeform	nubbins`: the number 3 is very random by same token.
23:40	nubbins`	works once, anyway.
23:41	Chillum	I doubt there is a modern computer out there that does not have some black box software or firmware
23:41	asciilifeform	incidentally, i will use this occasion to point out that prng is not deadly because enemy can somehow get the exact bits again
23:41	asciilifeform	but because of the known relationship between bit N and N+k
23:41	Chillum	it is possible to infect a hard drive with malware. Not the data, the firmware
23:41	asciilifeform	this can be used to narrow key class.
23:41	asciilifeform	Chillum: this has been known to the public for months, to me for years, and to #b-a for at least a year and a half.
23:42	mircea_popescu	Chillum this was actuallyt discussed in logs
23:42	Chillum	If I could hook up a little device to the usb or serial that gave me numbers I would be more confident in then I would do that
23:42	Chillum	depending on the price
23:43	Chillum	with 128 bits to a bitcoin key you do have some keyspace to play with
23:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00026172 = 11.0708 BTC [-]
23:47	decimation	asciilifeform: do you derp around with locks?
23:48	asciilifeform	decimation: did, at times
23:48	*	asciilifeform not mega-lockexpert
23:48	Chillum	I try to, but am not very good
23:48	*	asciilifeform read the mit guide and did the exercises like everybody else
23:48	decimation	asciilifeform: I'm toying with the idea of buying slightly better deadbolts
23:50	asciilifeform	if a house, with glass windows, etc. and not a vault - probably wasted money.
23:50	Chillum	only if it is your weakest point
23:51	decimation	aye, most breakins are 'kick-ins'
23:51	mircea_popescu	trivial to make windows bulletproof tho, these days.
23:51	mircea_popescu	get that foil thing
23:52	asciilifeform	wai wat
23:52	asciilifeform	bulletproof foil? made of what?
23:52	mircea_popescu	plastic, strong glue
23:52	asciilifeform	and if foil in window, why not brick?
23:52	mircea_popescu	it'll hold a brick too.
23:52	asciilifeform	no, brick in the widow
23:52	asciilifeform	why even have a window if covering in opaque armour
23:53	mircea_popescu	it's actually transparent
23:53	decimation	yes, they make laminate for window reinforcement
23:53	asciilifeform	ah 'lexan' replacements
23:53	asciilifeform	mega-expensive
23:53	decimation	http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Residential/Safety-Security_Window_Films/
23:53	mircea_popescu	not THAT expensive
23:54	mircea_popescu	decimation i was gonna say, 3m lol
23:54	decimation	yeah 3m makes good shit
23:55	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's not policarbonate replacement for glass in window. it's a very highly adhesive foil, which you stick on the window
23:55	mircea_popescu	gives it immense plasticity as it were
23:55	decimation	if it's a 'random burglar' it might be enough to convince him to go elsewhere
23:55	asciilifeform	aha like in car.
23:55	mircea_popescu	right
23:55	decimation	yeah
23:55	mircea_popescu	http://solutions.3m.com/3MContentRetrievalAPI/BlobServlet?lmd=1290196235000&locale=en_WW&assetType=MMM_Image&assetId=1273657601352&blobAttribute=ImageFile << typical impact
23:55	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ylndf8 )
23:55	asciilifeform	so he break & then cuts with knife ?
23:55	mircea_popescu	omfg horrid site design
23:55	mircea_popescu	if he's willing to, yes. shitty job tho.
23:55	decimation	possibly, but it would take quite a bit of doing
23:55	mircea_popescu	best way really is torch
23:55	decimation	not the snatch n' grab job
23:55	mircea_popescu	shit'll melt/smoke
23:56	asciilifeform	and wouldn't it be in a sense counterproductive? as in, burglars will often themselves glue film to windows before breaking them, to silence the sound
23:56	asciilifeform	(traditional in usa)
23:56	mircea_popescu	different glue.
23:56	decimation	all these kinds of security gizmos are quite useless if there's not ability to summon a human to inspect what is going on
23:57	mircea_popescu	decimation makes door lock the weak point again is all.
23:57	asciilifeform	decimation: american security paraphernalia usually presumes owner is home with shotgun
23:57	decimation	they are also quite useless against a well-bezzled actor
23:57	mircea_popescu	i wonder what % of said paraphenalia is sold to protect your goods, and what % "ticket to shooting your own guy!"
23:58	asciilifeform	'own goals' are not uncommon in usa
23:58	decimation	all I want is to 'run faster than you' away from the bear
23:59	decimation	if an army of bears wants to target me, not much can be done
23:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50019 @ 0.00025534 = 12.7719 BTC [-]

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