#trilema | 2015-05-01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00025296 = 3.3391 BTC [-]

00:10

heh http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/04/30/american-optimism-on-parade-at-the-fed/

00:10

Philip Greenspun's Weblog » American optimism on parade at the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q55pPk )

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00:51

prolly going to be an endless parade as we enter into the last phase. buffett started it.

00:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117518 << this. people have nfi what level of radiation counts as "background". if cosmic rays were as energetic as you know, actual matter ? we'd have serious problems. and some pretty kickass satellites.

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Logged on 01-05-2015 02:58:55; asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made

00:52

cosmic ray powered space excavators and steamrollers.

00:55

decimation : all it takes is for the entire "law enforcement" thing to be broken once. its own manzikert moment.

00:57

"On the optimism bias, while Ive known that these numbers have been consistently too optimistic, I always assumed that the senior leadership of the fed had access to the real data, and the numbers put out for the public were heavily, well, decorated."

00:57

apparently the double accounting thing is obvious by now.

01:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117574 << shit, i've seen .jar based raid controllers. HARDWARE raid controllers.

01:10

Logged on 01-05-2015 03:18:35; asciilifeform: not afaik.

01:14

http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/pict13.jpg << wtf is this zulu bullshit ?

01:14

... ( http://bit.ly/1JdAJHA )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117611 << it'd help a lot if it simply abstained from getting in the way.

01:19

Logged on 01-05-2015 03:40:37; decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure

01:19

that's perhaps the true subtext there. "they told me not to grab womyn butt. okay, i don't. they told me not to hunt deer off the highway. ok, i don't. they told me not to make fire indoors. alright. and i don't smoke either, and apparently coke is bad. i liked coke but whatever.

01:20

HOWEVER they also promised all sorts of shit. in exchange. where is it ?"

01:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117617 << yes. most of the us, like most of mongolia, like poor india, is specifically bad because bad climate, horrible buildings, vastly misused concrete, steel, etc.

01:21

Logged on 01-05-2015 03:42:41; asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen

01:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117618 << this is the africa problem.

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Logged on 01-05-2015 03:43:02; decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the othe

01:22

africa doesn't suck because "black people suck". africa sucks because africa is the people who were left behind.

01:22

the people left behind always suck.

01:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcQSLJHpwCA

01:36

Shit White Girls Say To Latinas - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBEGqw )

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02:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66600 @ 0.00026185 = 17.4392 BTC [+]

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03:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00026185 = 2.1864 BTC [+]

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03:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00026382 = 2.3084 BTC [+]

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05:28

https://twitter.com/CasaRosadaAR/status/593584932485779457 heh, they have no idea

05:28

Apparently bitcoin is disrupting our economy now (?) https://t.co/8anSj29Nre

05:35

chetty

Its election season, must have vultures to blame

05:38

jurov: funny how many people don't understand what "disrupting" actually means

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05:56

the KnC Nasdaq thing http://xbtprovider.com/lang_en/

05:56

XBT Provider ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1ilxi )

06:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32887 @ 0.00026452 = 8.6993 BTC [+]

06:02

more wallet inspectors http://www.wired.com/2015/04/circle-bitcoin-digital-wallet/

06:02

... ( http://bit.ly/1E1iLUp )

06:10

http://www.coindesk.com/remove-satoshi-as-founding-member-says-bitcoin-foundation-director/

06:10

Remove Satoshi as Founding Member, Says Bitcoin Foundation Director ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1jN2D )

06:10

yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first

06:15

LOL let's talk about superman's suit color

06:16

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/04/30/2127543/meet-the-company-that-wants-to-put-a-bitcoin-miner-in-your-toaster/ also,look who's trying to replicate the pogoplug

06:16

Meet the company that wants to put a bitcoin miner in your toaster | FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1ktVI )

06:17

(i know miner and node is not the same thing but could not resist)

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07:40

asciilifeform: so i have finally acquired a dedicated SSD and a euro-plug adapter for the pogo, where do i start?

07:40

my goal when setting up the pogo is to end up with a full walkthrough that looks roughly like this -> http://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/assembly_instructions/stuva-grundlig-corbeille-en-fil__AA-420855-2_pub.PDF

07:40

... ( http://bit.ly/1GLpF4j )

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09:03

Pierre_Rochard

;;later tell davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116638 I’ve added you to the github repo, I’ll pull together install instructions over the weekend

09:03

Logged on 30-04-2015 09:25:48; davout: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard /me is pretty interested

09:03

The operation succeeded.

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10:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00026942 = 5.9811 BTC [+]

10:34

!up RockHoster_

10:44

any admin

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??

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'sthematter ?

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https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_VPS_providers

10:45

Comparison of VPS providers - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivx8Xk )

10:45

I want to discuss about this page.

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ok ?

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Are you admin ?

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We can be

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Its a wiki page

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WHy is it removed

10:46

admin of what ? bitcoin ? the wiki you linked ? the dns system ?

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??

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gotta be specific.

10:46

moderator of bitcoin.it

10:46

This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

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13:56, 5 April 2015 Taras (Talk | contribs) deleted page Comparison of VPS providers (content was: "{{PfD|Nobody is willing to frequently update it. It's completely useless and misleading.}} {{outdated}} VPS price comparison. Cheapest plans are shown. Based on list of providers that accept...")

10:47

if i recall, Luke-Jr was admining that thing

10:47

Is it possible to remake this page ??

10:47

Yes, its a wiki

10:47

I'll do it for you if you'd like for a price

10:47

What price ?

10:48

williamdunne afaik they restricted new accounts because nobody was giving a shit and there was too much spam

10:48

And a monthly maintaining price ofc to keep it up to date

10:48

mircea_popescu: I have an account already

10:48

I also have a account with editing rights

10:48

RockHoster_: 4 BTC initial, 1 BTC per/month after that to keep it up to date

10:48

You can't edit it though or it would be shilling

10:49

o look at that, 50 changes this month. including tonal.

10:49

i loled

10:49

If its worth enough for you to come here, the price should be worth it. Not surprised that it drove a fair bit of traffic

10:49

Why was this deleted ?

10:49

Because no one was keeping it up to date

10:49

who's taras anyway

10:50

Apparently people like being paid for work

10:50

williamdunne the two propositions are contradictory neh ?

10:50

I can keep it up to date

10:50

RockHoster_: You don't qualify as a neutral source

10:50

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-01/gold-manipulator-busted-after-zero-hedge-report-hft-gold-spoofing

10:50

... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy3Hf )

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I stay online for more than 8 hours daily

10:51

mircea_popescu: Yeah, true. Although this page is a particularly awkward one to upkeep

10:51

anyway, RockHoster_ : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop

10:51

User list - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy91C )

10:51

RockHoster_: Doesn't change your neutrality

10:52

So I can't moderate page

10:52

No

10:53

What can I do if I want to be moderator of that page ?

10:53

mats twist : he was manipulating it UP

10:53

RockHoster_: You can't, because you're not neutral. You need someone to do it for you

10:53

Not a hard concept

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And they can't be biased towards you ofc

10:53

the weird wales has wrounght on the interwebs.

10:54

RockHoster_ were you one of the participants in the "fight to be on the top" ?

10:54

Seriously I don't have 1 BTC to pay somebody

10:54

to manage

10:54

Well then don't, I offered my personal price. Take it or leave it

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And its 4 BTC upfront, then 1 per month after that

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How can I trust you ?

10:55

RockHoster_ looky here : the REASON you don't have 1 btc to throw away is that you're spedning your time trying to manipulate an obscure wiki nobody gives a shit about.

10:55

!gettrust williamdunne

10:55

Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user williamdunne: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/

10:55

stop wasting your time, do something useful, you'll have plenty o' money eventually.

10:55

RockHoster_: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/

10:55

williamdunne WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvyZvh )

10:56

in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e655795aa8cfab5ea7bde62c9aa0e2e9/tumblr_mhrf3nPRgN1r21xm5o1_1280.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivz41V )

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What benefit will I get ??

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I shhould say

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special benefit

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If I pay you 1 BTC ??

10:56

RockHoster_: You'll be on the list, you get no "special" benefit. I can't be biased towards you I will be neutral

10:56

sigh

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!down RockHoster_

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mircea_popescu: ty

10:57

this world an' teh people in it...

10:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4954 @ 0.00026503 = 1.313 BTC [-]

10:57

williamdunne how the fuck are you going to make a neutral list of "vps hosters" anyway.

10:57

might as well sort seashells by size.

10:57

Google a bunch of them, put their location and offerings on the list

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a) they're all the same size and b) every tide washes more in.

10:58

i was under the impression "vps hosting" is the new "unlimited shared hosting" thing of the 2000s.

10:59

Before I think it was data allowance, price, location and if they allow tor or not

11:06

;;bc,stats

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11:06

dat none...

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117664 << i'd love nothing more than to disrupt their economy to the point they're left begging on street corners.

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Logged on 01-05-2015 09:35:48; chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame

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it's slow going.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117673 << it's funny tho, all the fraudulent pretense. "oh, a guy we never met is a founding director, because we wish to have the implication of legitimacy that would offer. next we make george washington founding director, and edit his wikipedia to say he founded the us and our turd"

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Logged on 01-05-2015 10:10:47; jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first

11:09

davout Pierre_Rochard iirc danielpbarron has a write-up somewhere.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117344 << always has been, always will be.

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Logged on 01-05-2015 00:53:04; mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ?

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despite the practical limitations, it's still cool to be ginormous.

11:15

sorta like that louis ck bit about young black comics just being way, way fucking cooler than he could ever be

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-24/why-nav-sarao-had-be-destroyed-he-found-way-beat-hfts-their-own-game also good zh

11:17

Why Nav Sarao Had To Be Destroyed: He Found A Way To Beat The HFTs At Their Own Game | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvCSAi )

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!s edgerouter

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19 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter

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^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/

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FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvDDt4 )

11:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00026836 = 21.5896 BTC [+] {2}

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or using serial comm software other than minicom ??

11:23

Pierre_Rochard

mircea_popescu: install instructions relating to my accounting software, not pogo/bitcoin

11:24

;;later tell decimation did you set up your edgerouter in osx ? if so, did you also have issues with minicom ?

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The operation succeeded.

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*

pete_dushenski will be using ubuntu in next edgerouter set-up attempt.

11:26

goddam you osx !

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why ubuntu?

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why not ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00026942 = 8.6349 BTC [+]

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!s nigbuntu

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12 results for 'nigbuntu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nigbuntu

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i've rarely had a good experience with ubuntu

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mats: but not never !

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basically, at work my team has a "you break it, we fix it" policy

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i'm just trying to set up this edgerouter with freebsd. nothing else.

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i spend a non trivial amount of time debugging ubuntu desktops whenever people break it

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its hellish, man

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this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers

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serves him right ?

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wtf does anyone seriously need bluetooth for, talking while driving ?

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'wireless' speakers

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i never figured out why, but the kernel seemed convinced there was a hardware switch thrown someplace

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*

mats needs to read the linux kernel

11:36

pete_dushenski, oh you mean use ubuntu on the machine from which you are connecting to the edgerouter/

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he had wireless headphones he wanted to use at his desk

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danielpbarron: that, yes.

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mats: i don't see the appeal of wireless headphones, mostly because they're another thing to charge with another cable

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not so bad; i used ubuntu to do that with pogo for my first attempted after soldering the serial thing onto it

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more battery management, which is what 'modern lyf' seems to reduce to.

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danielpbarron: i figure it's worth a shot seeing as how i'm at a bit of a dead end with osx

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you should better learn gentoo or something though

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it's just a matter of opening a serial console or whatever?

11:39

gentoo quest!

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pete_dushenski: gentoo quest

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danielpbarron: that's where i'm at, yes. serial comm software 'minicom' doesn't want to work.

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ben_vulpes: this *will* happen.

11:40

can you try to use screen instead?

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idk if screen has a port for os x

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i like the idea of wireless headphones but the bluetooth stack is horribly damaged

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i'm reading the thing you pasted, and the instructions are very similar to adulterating a pogo

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http://screen-osx.sourceforge.net/ ??

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SourceForge.net: Screen-OSX - Project Web Hosting - Open Source Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1EARtYp )

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Fun fact: the BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) spec provides three key exchange mechanisms, two of the three which do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection

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so... given that the out of band key exchange is the most difficult to implement, that's effectively a selective backdoor.

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pete_dushenski: forgive my late arrival to the thread, but why are we talking about screen on os x?

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as an alternative to minicom for serial communication between desktop and edgerouter

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aha

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another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.

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sounds annoying and complicated

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setting up the edgerouter with freebsd is proving to be exactly that!

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but i shan't give in just yet.

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does your serial adapter show up in /dev/ ?

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because that's the most annoying part really

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ah yeah, but that's annoying and complicated with a future, unlike your current "dead end"

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anyways don't let me distract you :P

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heh

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danielpbarron: good question...

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"A collection of scripts that work together to manage multiple invocations of GNU Screen to overcome some of its limitations on Mac OS X."

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for me, serial adapter is only accessible as root, although i think i read somewhere there are things you can do to make it work for other users

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and that thing i just quoted makes it sound like screen is already on OS X; try typing screen --version in your terminal

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danielpbarron: just checked. /dev/cu.usbserial shows up.

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'Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06'

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once you have screen, it's as easy as typing screen /dev/cu.usbserial 115200

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115200 is the baud rate

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tried. 'no such file or directory'

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for me, the serial adapter is numbered

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like /dev/ttyUSB0

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i'm surprised it says the file doesn't exist when you say you saw it in /dev/

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i'm as confused as anyone !

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if you do wind up using ubuntu, the live cd is suitable ; you can even "install" screen to the temporary system without actually writing to your hard drive

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okie dokie, pete the n00b might've just isolated the issue...

12:07

instead of establishing a serial connection with 'edgeos' first, i installed freebsd on the usb drive first

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so unconfigured freebsd has no way of talking to minicom or anything else. it's just a file on a drive.

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a fucktard is me.

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now to see if i can re-install edgeos and start over :)

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danielpbarron: so, do you have instructions on how to set up the pogo? does it necessarily imply soldering wizardry?

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davout: danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt

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ben_vulpes: ty

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hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything

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maybe i misunderstood something

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no soldering necessary

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haha, ok nice, guess i'm going to put the pogo back together then :-)

12:25

as long as you don't botch the re-flash, it should be possible to do everything over ethernet

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ok, sounds much better wrt industrializing their setup

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so the first thing i should do is try to access it through SSH, and work from there, right?

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yes

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the thing has a built in method for turning on ssh without any extreme modifications, and from there you can do all else

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yeah, the curl bit if i understand correctly

12:35

lulz. $lnkd -25% on the week. go social media go !

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!up ascii_field

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http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitgo-files-multisig-patent-application-joining-other-bitcoin-patent-parasites/

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BitGo Files MultiSig Patent Application Joining Other Bitcoin Patent Parasites | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KA9ech )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117786 << i did

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Logged on 01-05-2015 15:21:39; pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117789 << again, did

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Logged on 01-05-2015 15:22:10; pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ??

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117867 << not only this, but can reflash without any physical parts at all, from stock os

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Logged on 01-05-2015 16:14:34; davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything

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or even enable tftp and use experimental os (e.g., mine) without reflashing at all

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and without swapping physical sticks

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ascii_field: what serial comm software did you use ?

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ascii_field: so what's the simplest way of doing it?

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pete_dushenski: 'screen'

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https://www.gnu.org/software/screen

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GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1EISsXN )

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davout: doing what ?

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ascii_field: aha. cheers.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00025495 = 6.6924 BTC [-] {2}

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ascii_field: i have the physical pogos you gave me, an ethernet cable, a power adapter, an internet connection, a few usb sticks, a working debian, and a 120gb sata disk that fits in the pogo. what's the easiest way to set it up as a bitcoin node

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117806 << sounds EXACTLY like windowsuntu.

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Logged on 01-05-2015 15:34:28; mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers

12:57

davout: folow danielpbarron's instructions

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davout: be aware that we don't have a battlefield-ready 0.5.3.x as of yet.

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i'm rewriting some stuff now, adding to wiki

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on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117836 << coincidentally, the coincidental coincidences coincide.

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Logged on 01-05-2015 15:44:09; mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.

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danielpbarron: did the ssd make it ?

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at least, not running on ArchLinux; perhaps with optimizations it could catch up

12:59

<danielpbarron> on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync << i spoke of this briefly at c3. the almost deadly-certain explanation is that there is no ram to spare for the customary disk cache

12:59

so pogo node lives or dies by the actual speed of the drive.

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ascii_field actually... a disk cache wouldn't need to be much larger than what, 1mb ?

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comes as no surprise to me; that's exactly the bottle neck i ran into when first getting into running a node

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maybe reiserfs would fix it.

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mircea_popescu: it is normally a readahead cache

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so needs to be 16-64MB at min.

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pete_dushenski, my SSD one is still going and I have no reason to suspect it won't eventually sync

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currently at height=339674

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almost there danielpbarron

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excellent.

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the 5400 rpm one with an up-to-date data dir copied in goes just fast enough to stay about 200 blocks behind the rest of the network at all times; perhaps slowly losing ground

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http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << see also.

13:02

Experiments and fun with the Linux disk cache ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITva3 )

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danielpbarron nuts.

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^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all.

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so basically... current blocks are just big enough to interdict 5400 rpm

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danielpbarron: in your docs, 2.2.2 refer to building a kernel for the workstation talking to the pogo, not building a kernel for the pogo itself, or am i heavily confused?

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(referring to http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt)

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404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITNxL )

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/01/us-goldman-sachs-aleynikov-verdict-idUSKBN0NM43V20150501

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NY jury finds ex-Goldman programer Aleynikov guilty of code theft| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITPpf )

13:03

davout, yeah that's why i'm rewriting; it's about the workstation connecting to pogo

13:03

mircea_popescu: with leaky 0.5.3, and on box with 128m, yes

13:03

davout, only necessary if your doing the serial connection soldering thing

13:03

ascii_field no, "5400 rpm, no caching"

13:04

mircea_popescu: aha

13:04

all you need is to install some sort of TFTP server on your workstation, and use the built in flashing tools of pogo to set some parameters to connect to your workstation when it boots

13:05

so basically, "5400 rpm"

13:05

'A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich.'

13:05

"The conviction came two days after the judge overseeing the case removed two jurors after a conflict between the two marred deliberations.

13:05

danielpbarron: which i'm not (doing the serial thing), so it's not very clear to me how to build the kernel and software that'll actually run on the pogo once it's ready

13:05

The judge said on Wednesday that letting 10 jurors proceed, not 12, amounted to "uncharted territory," but Marino said that his client agreed to the smaller jury."

13:05

herp.

13:06

davout, i'm not aware of how to do that; i've only ever used ascii's pre-built kernels i think

13:06

ascii_field "jury of your peers" in the us = "the mentally ill"

13:06

*

ascii_field has seen it alive

13:06

davout, danielpbarron: to build kernel, see my instructions on the listserv

13:07

"A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich."

13:07

my documentation needs massive overhaul lol

13:07

http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html

13:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1EIUoiS )

13:07

oh ascii_field just pasted this. nvm

13:10

danielpbarron ascii_field ah i see, i wasn't aware that alf had a pre-built kernel that's to be used, i'll work from there, also i'll document everything I do, so maybe you won't need to spend time updating your docs

13:10

davout: it isn't meant to be fired in anger

13:11

please build own kernel

13:11

https://www.udacity.com/course/advanced-operating-systems--ud189 this is pretty good

13:11

Advanced Operating Systems - Udacity ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIV9sq )

13:11

i certainly have no intention of distributing bins every time we path

13:11

*patch

13:11

ascii_field: my mission is to idiot-proof the process :D

13:12

but i guess it can also be fun to do the whole thing, maybe i'll end-up with two sets of docs the "advanced" version and the "i just want this goddamn thing running" version

13:14

davout good idea.

13:15

i think both are required, one for the folks who want to inspect, audit or otherwise fuck with the device, and one to turn a crate of stock pogos into node as fast as possible

13:16

especially the "document everything i do" part.

13:16

the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine

13:17

and an actual software environment is exactly that : a. people doing jobs 100% and b) documenting this process 100%.

13:17

world's best smith cannot mold bullet from shit.

13:17

!up ascii_field

13:17

no matter how documented.

13:17

and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree.

13:18

with a dull spork.

13:18

ascii_field the only shit here is in the heads of, again, every white us male with a college degree.

13:18

from paul graham to the rackhoster derp above.

13:19

i'll definitely be documenting my edgerouter rampage.

13:19

even basic would work, if not for them.

13:19

(which is what ada is, after all)

13:20

the tech stack is rotten all the way down.

13:20

yes. from the fontanelle to the spine.

13:20

(don't take my word for it, it is quite apparent)

13:21

but mircea_popescu has a point, in that it is necessary to kill the mice before cleaning up their shit - otherwise it is a waste of time, there will be infinite shit

13:21

mircea_popescu | and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. << heh, my balls are safe then

13:21

moreover, once the mice are killed, the shit self-cleans.

13:22

self-cleans ?

13:22

how ?!

13:22

well, turns into earth.

13:22

you consider a meadow "clean" or "dirty" ?

13:23

poor analogy. usians still can't rid themselves of 120v

13:23

yes. but the world IS.

13:23

somehow the streets of tel aviv are still paved with cement, beneath the dog shit

13:23

because by now what the usians do is slightly more relevant than what the mongols do.

13:24

a slightly greater, slightly more relatively advanced empire, slightly longer ago.

13:25

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2t4557/paypals_investigation_of_laptop_purchased_on_ebay << schizo gold

13:25

PayPal's investigation of laptop purchased on eBay that was interdicted, infected and implanted : privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIXqnl )

13:26

ascii_field more on point : consider how much of the windows turdball self-cleanned by simply making gpg required for voice here.

13:27

"oh, can't get in". "well... so from the other perspective... you no longer exist ?"

13:27

mircea_popescu: this cleaned people, not tech

13:27

right.

13:27

people and their productions.

13:32

BingoBoingo "Earlier this year Chin-hao Hu and Pai-tsung Hsu over the process of generating a Bitcoin transaction offline for which they would assign "Intellectual Property" rights to themselves." << missing verb ?

13:33

fxd

13:34

http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/#comment-20712 << who's this guy anyway

13:34

Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqlN3X )

13:34

ascii_field is he the ninjashoo /

13:35

mircea_popescu: 'sapien' ?

13:35

yeh

13:35

it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires

13:36

how can i know, is it one tree, six, or forty-six

13:36

this particular detachment between words and things...

13:36

i guess you're right

13:36

appealing in trees. in people - not so much

13:37

by the way, am i the only foreigner that thinks southern dialects a lot more expressive, interesting and developed than yankee english ?

13:38

*

ascii_field hasn't enough exposure to the former, to say

13:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFL2GT1-2g

13:40

Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqmRov )

13:40

Pierre_Rochard

mircea_popescu: you are not

13:40

good primer

13:41

the south considered themselves closer to the commonwealth than to the yanks

13:41

2:36 what's uuuup

13:41

see also 'the mind of the south' (w. j. cash) - mega-recommended

13:41

(engl.)

13:42

and/or "The Killer Angels"

13:42

had interesting thesis - that cotton only worked on small fraction of land available, and the rest was left mostly alone to the non-slaveholding inhabitants, with minimal statal footprint

13:43

southerners like their govts dysfunctional at best

13:43

tx legislature meets every two years, mostly to talk about doing nothing

13:44

ascii_field in any case the wisdom was to keep the taxes low and the government minimal, because large plantation owners know best what to do with resources.

13:44

in a sense it was the HRE of the american continent.

13:44

in previous conversations about the need for privilege it has occurred to me that tx seems to have this

13:45

mircea_popescu: according to cash, it was rather because southern states ran extraction economy of soil and slave, but did not need the non-planter whites for anything - so left alone (as 'fremen', in 'dune')

13:45

there are parts of cities you can't possibly live in without wealth

13:45

with proper walls around them

13:45

i can see it.

13:46

bad move, too. idleness is the mother of devilness or how's that called.

13:46

mircea_popescu: they did not even need to exterminate them to vacate space, because most of the soil was not cotton-grade.

13:46

arbeit macht frei (tm)

13:47

there's some contemporary records of "trying to get a cotton farm going", by people without the resoruces and without the intelligence to understand resources at all.

13:47

reads a lot like the stories of the "web start-up culture"

13:47

its amusing there's an actual /r/badBIOS subreddit

13:47

same "they're moving up and down on a patch of land ; we're moving up and down on a patch of land. what the hell's the difference!"

13:47

mats: and it is all full of one particular species, yes

13:48

I consider TX a highly redeemable part of the US

13:48

trinque san antonio was easily my favourite us town

13:48

!up ascii_field

13:48

great place

13:48

Austin, mine

13:48

mats: the kind of schizo that seems to live and breathe solely to discredit actual investigation into usg shenanigans

13:49

i do not know if they grow naturally or have to be cultivated - but they serve this purpose.

13:49

readers of the log: badBIOS is a hoax, although the principle of the thing is entirely achievable

13:49

ascii_field do you think 50 shades of gray exists to discredit actual bdsm / harry potter exists to discredit actual fiction ?

13:49

mats: see also 'piltdown man'

13:50

mircea_popescu: nah those are more like 'kraft food' vs actual food

13:50

buffetized extruded product.

13:50

same thing here.

13:50

in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps.

13:51

let's peek back a few decades to the folks who were listening to cia broadcasts with their tooth amalgams

13:51

somebody in the south needs to start screaming about anti-communism and they'd get far.

13:51

the physical principle - is sound, demonstrated.

13:51

average texans are not at all afraid of the idea of secession

13:51

common conversation topic

13:52

ascii_field let's go over this soundness.

13:52

and I don't mean this play-ball tea party thing

13:52

mircea_popescu: rectifier

13:52

so it is in principle possible to transform energy from state to state.

13:52

now, seeing how vibration in the audible frequency for teeth has a calculable minimum,

13:52

we can in fact calculate the power of the cia antenna required. correct ?

13:53

postulate a distance

13:53

right, for a postulated distance.

13:54

"Ebay did grant my item not as described case. However, Ebay didn't acknowledge that an interdicted, tampered, infected and implanted device is an item not described.

13:54

this is strictly correct. an item tampered with by the government is not, legally, an item distinct from an item not tampered with by the government.

13:54

as a very small boy, i listened to a 'radio' consisted of a handset speaker from a busted telephone (circa 1940s?) and a diode (pulled out of ancient bobbin deck, also thrown out window by someone)

13:54

this is exactly why government may not continue to exist.

13:54

this was possible because su loved am radio

13:56

but the diode was not made out of your dead dog.

13:56

nope

13:56

moreover, the "listening to cia" people do not plug speakers into their teeth.

13:56

germanium diode

13:56

people do not plug speakers into their teeth << bone conduction

13:56

so... you know. yes "it's possible". however, doing it on dentine and lead... tough job.

13:57

yes yes. just pointing out to you that while it is theoretically possible, it is improbable it ever was practically achieved either by accident or by hobbists.

13:57

for that matter, cold fusion is just as theoretically possible.

13:57

!s palladium deuteride

13:57

1 results for 'palladium deuteride' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=palladium+deuteride

13:59

so listen alf, i had an exceptional plate of deviled eggs last night... ate 18^H^H 19^H^H 27 of the suckers

13:59

but you know... it kinda didn't sit well... so i let out this huge burp... and i think it all went into my cavity or something

13:59

because i got cold fusion going!

14:00

this is how 'fuck you i'm a dragon' probably began.

14:00

l0l

14:00

myeah lol

14:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnaw1-1fTg >> actually prolly better example.

14:02

Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 3 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkxD4v )

14:02

"he's so dumb, he could throw himself on the ground and miss"

14:02

"when she hauls ass, she gotta make two trips"

14:03

!up Asenath

14:03

heh.

14:05

mircea_popescu: my biz partner's dad has all kinds of them

14:05

"does the pope shit in his hat?"

14:05

lol

14:06

"busier than a cat with two asses" << loads of variations on that one

14:06

see, but that's the sort of person that's worth getting drunk

14:06

"more worried than a cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs"

14:06

ah shit his whole family's a hoot drunk

14:06

and what else is life all about i ask ye!

14:06

not a damn thing

14:07

btw, you know how the pope hat thing came about ?

14:07

https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/comments/2y8ufv/badbios_other_sources_emit_transcranial << typical

14:07

BadBIOS & other sources emit Transcranial Ultrasound ('TUS') which down-regulates neural activity causing dead zombie brain : badBIOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqsaEk )

14:07

mircea_popescu: hows that

14:07

ascii_field people are on reddit so as to be with other like minded people. it is a social function. what words they say... "world's best dad!"

14:08

trinque see, if you've ever seen if (1=1) in code you comprehend this literary device. "have you ever whipped a woman ?" "does the bear shit in the woods ?"

14:08

the ~other~ stock 1=1 answer being, "does the pope wear a funny hat"

14:08

as time went by, the two were merged into one, and so...

14:08

'does the pope shit in the woods'

14:08

(tm)

14:09

lol

14:09

oh yeah, of course

14:09

(most common variant where i live)

14:09

yes, and napoleon has an infinite number of arms.

14:09

know that one ?

14:09

aha

14:11

"she's so skinny she's gonna fall through her butt and hang herself"

14:11

LOL

14:12

"she could hoola hoop in a cheerio"

14:12

can't even make fun of people in portland; how's anyone supposed to tell a joke

14:12

!up Luke-Jr

14:13

Luke-Jr

I just wanted to LOL at the convo with RockHoster earlier. I was going to say "the maintainer doesn't *need* to be unbiased", but then I saw https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User_talk:RockHoster

14:13

User talk:RockHoster - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkz9U3 )

14:14

guy's got a boner for that page.

14:16

Luke-Jr

yeah, I'm kinda surprised he didn't take williamdunne's offer

14:17

5 btc ? sure, he could amortize $1000 in advertising expenses just as soon as the wiki gets twelve trillion pageviews or something.

14:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 888 @ 0.00151173 = 1.3424 BTC [-]

14:19

"So... You changed the name of your service so you could be on top of an obscure list? Taras (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)" <<< that's pretty SOP with locksmiths in the yellow pages

14:19

AAA

14:19

ABC

14:19

eh it was also standard with whores at some point

14:20

fuckin gridiculous everyone was amber angel and whatever

14:24

gringodiculous

14:25

danielpbarron hey, ask fowler (https://twitter.com/WomenSouthern) if she wants to do a "shit southern women say about bitcoin" sponsored thing ?

14:28

here, everyone is "ABC Express Locksmith"

14:30

Aardwark Locksmiths & Irony ?

14:31

:D

14:31

sounds like a cool job, get calls at night about lost keys, show up with a drill and a spare, bill $maxint

14:32

maxint my foot. it's like $100 or so.

14:32

back when people could actually wake me up it was a lot more than that.

14:36

heh, guess you're right, happened to me back in the day, guess my brain at the time recorded 80€ as 'holy shit, lots of money'

14:36

!up ascii_field

14:38

*

ascii_field pictures a sciencefiction story, set in the world of 'shall be delivered', about a fella who forgot a key and goes to a specialist who 'helps remember'

14:41

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078941 << how to initially get fw_printenv to tell pogo to boot kernel over TFTP in the future?

14:41

Logged on 29-03-2015 18:21:35; asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included.

14:44

stock pogo does not come with this tool, but it does come with nandwrite, flash_erase, and flash_eraseall

14:45

danielpbarron: one of the vars in there sets the boot order

14:45

there was some command to dump out all vars

14:45

should be able to spot it; the value of it names other vars iirc comma separated

14:45

those commands are available from within uBoot

14:46

yeah

14:46

and can also be used from the OS, but they don't come standard with an unmodified pogo

14:46

danielpbarron: on stock pogo you need fw_printenv (or serial cable) to get into uboot console

14:46

simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use.

14:47

yes, so what is the easiest way to get fw_printenv on a new unit ? just copy it over from workstation ? or is it easier to reflash with your own kernel using the stock nandwrite tool

14:47

ah

14:47

I stuck a debian install on one of the attached drives as a workspace

14:47

works pretty well

14:47

yeah that's what i'm ircing from

14:50

what is the easiest way to make your own fw_printenv ? is this something that come out of the same process that makes the kernel ?

14:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00025601 = 7.0147 BTC [+]

14:51

danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0

14:51

which contains config vars for uboot

14:51

this in turn used kernel's nand driv.

14:51

nothing high-tech

14:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35964 @ 0.00026942 = 9.6894 BTC [+]

14:59

so i'm currently connected to the Pogo through SSH, pretty easy so far

14:59

not sure how one compiles U-Boot though

14:59

danielpbarron: ^

14:59

davout: 'buildroot' also builds uboot

15:01

ascii_field: ok, i should be able to get it from your binaries amirite

15:01

(starting with the 'simple' version of my guide)

15:02

meh, nvm, i'll do the full version first, and dumb it down afterwards

15:03

ascii_field: should i start straight with your v2 patches ?

15:05

davout: they apply on top of v1

15:05

aok, ty, sorry for my noobish questions!

15:06

seems as though the stock pogo is configured to look for a TFTP server without any modification -> bootcmd=bootp; setenv bootargs root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:${rootpath} ip=${ipaddr}:${serverip}:${gatewayip}:${netmask}:${hostname}::off; bootm

15:07

danielpbarron: bootp ?

15:07

*

ascii_field has no idea how to set up bootp, did not try this

15:07

boot image via network using BOOTP/TFTP protocol

15:07

!up ascii_field

15:08

!mpif

15:08

BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]

15:08

!t m f.mpif

15:08

[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC)

15:15

market doesn't look impressed by TSLA's "Powerwall"

15:17

it was already expected for some time, no?

15:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00025601 = 3.7121 BTC [-]

15:18

yeah

15:19

price seems fair, i'd like to see how quickly will they able to produce

15:19

i'm still strapped in, gonna reevaluate my position when they finally produce an electric utility truck

15:19

and when will they come to europe

15:19

why not a power plant.

15:20

powerplant is extra

15:20

i don't think they stand a chance in europe, for teh record.

15:20

for onbe thing, european cars don't suck.

15:20

the us market was so bad even toyota could sell there. it hasn't improved since the 70s.

15:20

i can already imagine the advertisements --

15:21

tesla truck and f-250 at the starting line on a track, both tethered to a stack of shipping containers

15:22

after the tesla driver wins, he plugs it in and fills the bed with pumps, chemicals, water... and heads off to a client's home for a carpet cleaning gig

15:23

in the eu, would be fun to see people trying to use it with 2500w hair dryers and vacuum machines(especially these tend to make nasty power spikes)

15:36

*

ascii_field notices gigantic gap in log

15:37

the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right?

15:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00025531 = 8.4125 BTC [-] {2}

15:38

!up ascii_field

15:38

danielpbarron: does that mean there could be a way to auto-setup pogos by plugging them to an ethernet cable and turning them on ?

15:38

davout: yes, and i proposed this

15:38

ascii_field: i was here, really nothing happened

15:38

they oughta plug into one another, for 'breath of life'

15:39

jurov: looking for mar. 27

15:39

might just be broken search

15:39

interdasting

15:40

ok, log is intact

15:40

search - does not work worth a damn.

15:40

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << application for that 'tesla' battery.

15:40

Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.

15:40

<ascii_field> 'does the pope shit in the woods' << Does the bear shit in the pope?

15:44

;;seen Chillum

15:44

Chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Chillum> I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing

15:45

ascii_field i guess the search is out of sync

15:45

what happened to chillum?

15:45

damned if i know

15:46

;;later tell mthreat might want to resync the search?

15:46

The operation succeeded.

15:46

chillum 'was a chemist, but now he is no more; for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4.' or the like.

15:47

who knows.

15:47

didn't that happen to the chemist's son?

15:47

traditional rhyme

15:49

mod6> the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right? << http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/

15:49

Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMyUB9 )

15:49

Thank you

15:50

^ the very same

15:50

that was handed out at c3

15:51

ok awesome, got one in my cart.

15:53

alrighty, ordered. thanks again.

~ 30 minutes ~

16:23

mike_c: some unexpected behavior with your web wot thing: when searching with the input 'Chillum', a corresponding drop-down option appears, and when i click 'View User', it directs me to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/', a 404. when I click the option in the drop-down combo box, I'm directed to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum', also a 404

~ 16 minutes ~

16:40

well that's odd.

16:41

oh ffs

16:42

is this shit case sensitive or not?

16:42

kakobrekla: are the usernames case sensitive? could there be a KAKObrekla and a kakobrekla?

16:43

!register mike_c

16:43

Nick mike_c is already taken.

16:44

!register MIKE_c

16:44

Nick mike_c is already taken.

16:44

nvmnd

16:47

!registers second parameter is keyid

16:47

but anyway, no.

16:47

second, and only parameter.

16:47

eh

16:47

first actually

16:48

cant be second and only

16:48

does not compute

16:49

MIKE_c

!register flub

16:49

Nick MIKE_c is already taken.

16:49

grazie

16:54

mats: thanks for the bug report. will be fixed soon.

~ 28 minutes ~

17:23

<kakobrekla> cant be second and only << win.

17:32

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/04/racism.png&w=1484

17:32

... ( http://bit.ly/1E2LcRC )

17:32

The northeast, most racist part of 'Murica

17:33

Damn Yankees

17:33

i thought it was going to be trilema

17:34

for the record, saying nigger and racism are about as related as saying synergy and making a profit.

17:34

Sure, but tis te Washington Post, what can you truly expect

17:34

ie, only the derpington post thinks so.

17:34

right

17:37

nude exercise of power, obviously. if fuctard gets you to not say a word, the reason doesn't matter. what matters is the fact that you're now doing what he's tellin' you to.

17:38

kinda how the fetlife derps got all twisted about "rape". omagawd our consent was violated by other people using words without asking for permission!!1

17:39

Right

17:39

so how about the washington post is no longer allowed to say the r word.

17:40

or the d word, for that matter.

17:40

also the e word. are there more vulgar obscenities the libertards use ?

17:41

r*cism, d*mocratic, eq*ality and i guess r*ights. shit there's two r words.

17:41

"progress"

17:42

they don't really say that anymore. even "progressive"'s gone down the drain

17:42

must suck to be one of those people, always stuck with a new word nest like a god damned cuckoo

17:46

come to think of it, the bald eagle is an anachronism the cuckoo is the us symbol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Reed_warbler_cuckoo.jpg

17:46

... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NjVz )

17:46

enough time has passed that you could show today's kids "tokyo breakfast" for the lulz

17:47

muh cultural adoption, muh racism

17:48

Cuckoo seems apt nao

17:49

cazalla: hadn't seen this, goddamn hilarious

17:49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaBJ5Do

17:49

Tokyo Breakfast - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJzno9 )

17:50

yeah, it's fkn old now but ripe for passing off as new to the young ones

~ 15 minutes ~

18:05

https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then?

18:06

Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2QnB9 )

~ 1 hours 44 minutes ~

19:50

mats: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum/

19:50

Chillum WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXJPbJ )

19:52

mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here's my problem. Sending my loyal customers to this page is a bad user experience. http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E

19:52

Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXK6eE )

19:52

maybe a very simple "not found" page?

~ 44 minutes ~

20:37

mike_c i can see it. which is why i kept pushing for the processing. the idea being that we have ~2mn keys which asciilifeform is going to have the machine cut through like tonight.

20:37

so can you live with it for a matter of days ?

20:37

ah, so many fewer misses? yeah, there's no rush

20:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00026215 = 10.6171 BTC [+]

20:38

ideally no misses, seeing how everyone in wot also had their key in the sks db

20:38

but there will be misses with newer keys. so what'd be the best approach for that ?

20:39

Ideally? It's a fingerprint search. So if it misses, I would have it search sks for the fingerprint and show a page asking if you'd like to add that key.

20:39

it should just directly add it if it finds it actually.

20:39

alternatively, a simple 'fingerprint not found' would suffice

20:39

nah it should add it.

20:40

jurov i know she was engaged at some point...

20:42

"new york times and internationally bestselling author"

20:42

srsly ? who the fuck is kelly oxford.

20:42

oh i see. "i'm twitter famous!" "meaning ?" "not famous."

20:45

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 850 @ 0.00151981 = 1.2918 BTC [+] {3}

20:55

http://humanitariansoftinder.com/

20:56

Humanitarians of Tinder ... ( http://bit.ly/1zljaFi )

21:02

2nd chick looks maybe fuckable.

21:06

!up deedbot-

21:07

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1B34798.txt

21:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1zlkisG )

21:07

deedbot-

accepted: 1

21:17

I overheard the other day that there was a dislike for newer versions of gpg. has anyone written up a blog post or something about why?

21:18

;;later tell mats I fixed the bug and added a better 'user not found' page. thx again.

21:18

The operation succeeded.

21:24

;;later tell pete_dushenski minicom ought to work in osx. did you see this page? http://pbxbook.com/other/mac-tty.html

21:24

Mac's and serial TTY's ... ( http://bit.ly/1bLNEWf )

21:24

The operation succeeded.

21:24

mike_c i don't trust the 2.x branch. dunno that there's a blogpost or anything

21:25

mircea_popescu: did you see openbsd 5.7 has a new http server that supports cgi

21:25

i had not

21:26

i dont think i ever used cgi incidentally.

21:26

in other news, this is how "wordpress vulnerability day" looks like :

21:26

$ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "wp-login"

21:26

39491

21:26

$ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "58.96.27.42"

21:26

6741

21:26

$ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "62.75.229.18"

21:26

32720

21:26

that's the log for TODAY. 1MBps, for HOURS, with this crap.

21:27

terrabytes worth. because trilema soft 404s, and the idiots have nfi how to script.

21:27

lol

21:27

62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27204 "-" "-"

21:27

62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27234 "-" "-"

21:27

62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27266 "-" "-"

21:27

are they all poking at that recent bug?

21:27

etc etc etc

21:27

myeap

21:28

and these have to be amateurs. there's just no way someone can afford to go through 30k 404s that each costs 20kb

21:28

Your site is probably auto-targeted. I bet the bot herder's scripts rank websites

21:29

this would be about as sensible as subsistence steppe hunters autotargetting whales.

21:29

but they are making money while they sleep!

21:29

certainly.

21:29

note the split too :

21:29

;;calc 39491 / (32720+6741)

21:29

1.00076024429

21:30

heh

21:30

so basically... two idiots. everyone else knows better.

21:30

yeah and one is 5 times more idiotic

21:31

by the way the openbsd httpd doesn't support cgi, it's fastcgi

21:31

which is cgi-over-socket

21:31

i imagined

21:31

nobody stil ldoes plain cgi do they ?

21:31

not really

21:39

anyway, im kinda happy with this new server.

21:39

doesn't seem to have minded it any.

21:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00026198 = 20.1725 BTC [-] {2}

21:47

mike_c: here's my problem... mircea_popescu: mike_c i can see it... << working on it. or rather, will be, as soon as i finish writing my broadcast for april

21:48

and yes we can do something spiffy with not-founds

21:48

asciilifeform he has a good point tho, rather than 404, it should attempt to curl the keyservers and gobble.

21:48

yeah

21:48

but it is important to remember that 'keys' (in the customary sense) are indexed by the (garbage) hash of the -whole key- rather than fp - because it is actually subkeys that have fp's, rather than 'keys' (as in, what folks typically paste in)

21:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41425 @ 0.00026215 = 10.8596 BTC [+]

21:50

it can't curl the keyserver from a nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/somethingorother 404

21:51

because there is no physically possible way to determine what subkey ought to be asked from sks et al, for that particular pubkeyblock hash

21:51

thinkaboutit

21:51

for query -by fp- - yes, we could.

21:51

from the example he gave : http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E translates directly to http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFD5A63B9EAC2A55E

21:51

Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hyTt )

21:51

Public Key Server -- Get "0xfd5a63b9eac2a55e " ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hyTx )

21:51

ah i meant to say,gpgkey

21:51

gpgfp - yes, he is entirely correct

21:51

we could.

21:52

well it's all he wants.

21:52

originally i was very reluctant to auto-load anything from anywhere whatsoever

21:52

he hates dead forwards. like erryone on web

21:53

how about a simple 'we don't have it, but you can get it from .... ' ?

21:53

well, curl http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x$key | curl post to phcktor.

21:53

Public Key Server -- Get "key 0x " ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hJ16 )

21:53

^

21:53

nah this really should be automated.

21:53

specifically from ^ ?

21:53

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asciilifeform is ill at ease with dependency on non-wot folks

21:54

asciilifeform: are you comfortable with pulling wot keys from non-wot keyserver?

21:54

decimation: not very.

21:55

decimation: in general, there really oughta be more out of band key exchange.

21:55

the problem with the sks server is that it aggressively shares keys

21:55

with other servers of its kind

21:55

decimation: why is that a problem ?

21:55

they're fucking -public- keys

21:56

well, then why have a problem from pulling a key off a turd in the street?

21:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13488 @ 0.00025952 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {2}

21:56

decimation: i specifically have a problem with hardcoded url, etc. dependency on some random street animal.

21:57

yeah, it's rather annoying to hit the keyserver dns 'carousel'

21:58

not that it matters, really, if sks lies about some random derp's key. it is a typical 'shakespeare's works were not written by shakespeare but by another man of the same name' non-problem.

22:00

but as a matter of general principle - 'act from cause' (TM) - we oughta have self-contained infrastructure whenever practical.

22:08

asciilifeform but these are being tested, not used

22:08

it makes sense to be sloppy.

22:09

from my point of view - yes, tested. from mike_c's www - they are wot data

22:09

and hence merit some care

22:09

and note that while it makes sense ot have a b-a keyserver (and it's beinbg made), THAT item will do exactly the same curl stuff.

22:09

cuz what else.

22:10

the only 'else' is meatspace/out-of-band shenanigans, yes.

22:10

myeah.

22:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28015 @ 0.00026215 = 7.3441 BTC [+]

22:11

check it out, scoobot's dead o.O

22:11

rip, l0l

22:11

what the hell is with that thing. am i fundamentally misunderstanding something here ?

22:11

why, i wonder, so hard

22:11

exactly.

22:11

phuctor stayed up 534 days (since birth) until i moved it just this week

22:12

i know

22:12

on a fucking aws

22:12

must be the cpanel.

22:12

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asciilifeform bewildered re: scoop

22:12

May 01 00:26:05 *scoopbot_revived has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)

22:14

in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/e183dfb308f3cc02a97edbdb644567fb/tumblr_n5y8em4FJv1rl9p9mo1_500.gif

22:14

... ( http://bit.ly/1KBppWV )

22:15

for the record, on aws it averaged out to approx. 1 usd / day.

22:15

cuz of cpu ?

22:15

primarily.

22:18

http://www.everyonesocial.com/ << this is actually one of the least stupid web start-ups.

22:18

The #1 Employee Advocacy Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBpBVW )

22:18

the idea itself is dumb, fundamentally. actual employees would have other shit to do.

22:19

so how less stupid ?

22:19

but in practical terms, they're really not useful for anything else.

22:19

so it's duct tape, basically.

22:19

asciilifeform i did say "web start-ups".

22:19

convert every payrolled monkey into a mlm sp4mz0r ?

22:19

yup

22:19

"while having fun!"

22:20

'this sofa has six kinds of bedbug, let's burn it in the furnace' ?

22:20

more like "this is a restaurant, we cook rat here"

22:20

note : general mills, sap, united way etc.

22:21

... amway.

22:21

nah united way is like ymca

22:21

which i found to my surprise at conference that still exists!

22:23

yeah i live next to y

22:23

it is just a gym now

22:26

<asciilifeform> specifically from ^ ? << sure, seeing how his link is also to the same source.

22:27

(and so is bitcoin-otc.com's. these together make probably 90%+ of our inbound links atm)

22:29

!up gabridome

22:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00026215 = 4.8629 BTC [+]

22:34

*

asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all

22:34

Culture & Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1dBMDBk )

22:35

the only quasi-reasonable part seems to be the one about 'extraction economy'

22:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00026266 = 12.7915 BTC [+] {2}

22:38

is it a ripoff of mancur olson?

22:38

decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1118004

22:38

Logged on 01-05-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires

22:43

I don't see any updates on the openbsd octeon port

22:51

seems like this page indicates that the octeon sdk is under us export control, which kills the port http://www.bsdcan.org/2014/schedule/events/480.en.html

22:51

BSDCan2014: Porting OpenBSD on the MIPS64-based Octeon Platforms ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQCRl6 )

23:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13210 @ 0.00026893 = 3.5526 BTC [+]

~ 15 minutes ~

23:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjo0OcOpwOs

23:15