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00:02 Duffer1 i almost lawld but i didn't want to offend anyone who might have lost out :(
00:06 BingoBoingo gesell1: They had no information of @MagicalTux's cup size if that is the info you wanted
00:07 mircea_popescu lol BingoBoingo is bored
00:07 gesell1 BingoBoingo: I'm just curious in general what the support phone actually is
00:07 mircea_popescu gesell1 there was a pastebin earlier with everyone's phones
00:08 mircea_popescu they lost the db, so. girlfriends, mothers et all.
00:08 gesell1 mircea_popescu: but there was a press release on mtgox with the support phone number
00:08 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Incredibly, and just a bit too tipsy to hit publish on the sports betting for n00bs post even though I wrote most of it in chan
00:08 gesell1 its on mtgox.com still
00:08 gesell1 aat the very bottom
00:08 BingoBoingo gesell1: The support line is a girl speaking Ingrish. Might as well go to latestrip.com where the Ingrish girls show tits
00:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cups size: as in '2 X, 1 cup' ?
00:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Poor asians so mostly B's
00:09 jcpham just because mtgox says you owned bitcoins it doesn't really mean you owned them
00:09 jcpham not really
00:10 BingoBoingo gesell1: As mircea_popescu pointed out though I am bored
00:10 BingoBoingo So jcpham you realize talking gox drama here is just a huge circle jerk for anyone other than Luke-Jr
00:10 mircea_popescu i am 12 and what is latestrip.com
00:10 jcpham lolololol
00:11 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Where I spent dollars I should have spent on BTC
00:11 BingoBoingo Damn you spring 2010
00:11 cokea #bitcointraders if you're bored BingoBoingo
00:11 asciilifeform a strip, that tells you if you're.. late. like a litmus strip.
00:11 asciilifeform if that wasn't obvious from name
00:11 mircea_popescu so pregnant girls in the buff ?
00:12 BingoBoingo Here's a Tartar http://www.latestrip.com/freechat/girl/TamaraMuslim
00:12 BingoBoingo But yeah, too many prego girls
00:12 BingoBoingo Sauget wouldn't put them on stage
00:13 bloctoc Nextcoin youtube videos really are adorable. http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/External_Videos
00:15 Multivac Nextcoin does not compute.
00:15 BingoBoingo Fuku Kasparov https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/440704422549942273
00:15 BingoBoingo Kramnik beat your ass for a reason.
00:16 Multivac from the Karpeles article comments: "Mark is a member of Mensa, well that says it all. I work with a guy who claims to be a Mensa member, he's the biggest jackass I have ever encountered. But if you want to know how smart he is, just ask he'll tell you about it, all day long."
00:16 BingoBoingo And Anand... was prolly actually the best champion in a long time.
00:16 Multivac Truth
00:16 mircea_popescu why do people go to the mensa thing anyway
00:16 BingoBoingo Multivac: Mensa is nothing, I qualified for that bullshit
00:16 mircea_popescu i suppose it's actually a sort of bitcoin foundation, huh.
00:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: phun phact: today, K is known in russia - not mainly as a chess player.
00:17 asciilifeform see 'bob the bridge-builder.'
00:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I know, he flys that everywhere now.
00:17 BingoBoingo Part of wy he is in exile
00:17 asciilifeform M is actually a sex club
00:17 Multivac I never met someone that said they were Mensa that wasn't degenerate.
00:17 asciilifeform i have this on good authority, though never seen in person
00:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ithought men want good looking women
00:17 mircea_popescu rather than smart women
00:18 BingoBoingo Multivac: I am a total degenerate, out on bail at this moment, I still think Mensa is too white trash
00:18 asciilifeform once again, never saw it alive
00:18 Multivac Bailed out for what though?
00:18 mircea_popescu he got drunk one day...
00:19 BingoBoingo Multivac: Disorderly conduct, Which I find a moral imperative
00:19 BingoBoingo Religious liberty is at stake
00:19 Multivac Did you flip over a car?
00:19 Multivac Poop in a hamburger?
00:19 BingoBoingo Multivac: Imma not that in shape, unless the car is a fiero
00:19 BingoBoingo And it is all allegedly
00:20 mircea_popescu anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. take care all
00:20 mircea_popescu don't break the bitcoin,
00:21 Multivac Insufficient data to break a bitcoin.
00:21 BingoBoingo It works though because I have a great drive through lawyer who simply pushes for extensions to the courtdate.
00:21 BingoBoingo If he ever doesn't get the extension renewed he calls me and I walk to Mexico
00:21 Multivac You can't escape entropy BingoBoingo.
00:21 BingoBoingo Multivac: I am entropy
00:22 BingoBoingo Multivac: I am the one who disorganizes
00:22 Multivac BingoBoingo, The Disorganizer
00:23 Multivac Luckily I have no organs.
00:23 Multivac Only keyboards.
00:23 BingoBoingo Multivac: You still have form
00:23 BingoBoingo Form is opposed to entropy
00:24 Multivac I break down daily.
00:24 BingoBoingo Multivac: Do you get enough fiber?
00:25 Multivac Enough to hold my form.
00:25 Multivac Mas smoothies.
00:26 BingoBoingo Multivac: Wait, are you the mysterious until they started physical coins, smoothie?
00:26 BingoBoingo In that case I would have to thank you for the lulz
00:26 Multivac Nope.
00:27 Mats_cd03 https://www.modmypi.com/pi-modules-upis-advanced
00:27 ozbot ModMyPi | UPiS Advanced - Uninterruptible Power Intelligent Supply
00:28 Mats_cd03 impressive feature set
00:28 Multivac It supplies intelligence?
00:29 Mats_cd03 broken title
00:29 Mats_cd03 > The UPiS is an Intelligent Uninterruptible Power Suppl
00:30 Multivac https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/752-the-good-and-useful-things-the-foundation-has-done-for-us-members-compiled-by-dr-brian-goss/
00:30 Multivac They really have done nothing.
00:31 BingoBoingo MisterE: Well they exposed well meaning and ignorant prospects to litigation.
00:31 BingoBoingo That is a thing
00:31 Multivac Summary: TBF said some shit and threw some money around.
00:31 Multivac Coinpunk still has its hand out.
00:33 BingoBoingo WTFOMGBBQ was Coinpunk anyways, I though TSR handled that
00:34 Multivac It is a web wallet pretending to be an iPhone app.
00:34 Multivac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wngsO-Z4n7A
00:34 ozbot YOGA PANTS PRANK - YouTube
00:34 Multivac lol
00:35 BingoBoingo Multivac: You know of any reputable web advertising platforms that pay site owners BTC?
00:35 BingoBoingo I tired one for two weeks and it was forced into scam
00:35 Multivac Does not compute. Do you mean affiliate marketing shit?
00:36 Multivac dude this video is hilarious
00:36 BingoBoingo And I do mean tired over tried. It is now as worn as some dude's mom.
00:36 BingoBoingo Multivac: I mean a tool where I can sell x by y pixels in my sidebar
00:36 Multivac oh
00:37 BingoBoingo Just occupy space an dpay me money
00:37 BingoBoingo It is all I need
00:37 Multivac I used to know a few
00:37 Multivac drawing a blank now
00:37 Multivac it's been a couple years
00:37 BingoBoingo Well coinurl is shit
00:37 BingoBoingo Bitads is the shit I kilt
00:38 BingoBoingo Problem is all of this BTC stuff is shit
00:38 Multivac coinurl is a scam actually
00:38 Multivac oh yeah you eant btc ones
00:38 Multivac there are none
00:38 BingoBoingo Also Adsense is scam
00:38 Multivac just ask people here
00:38 Multivac Namworld
00:38 Multivac Jurov
00:38 Multivac etc
00:38 Mats_cd03 theres only one ad player in the game and they dont do btc
00:39 BingoBoingo Mats_cd03: If you even say that player is Google
00:39 BingoBoingo Seriously I run this honest blog here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
00:39 Mats_cd03 yes google
00:39 BingoBoingo And I would like to monetize a section of the sidebar
00:39 Multivac i like some of the ads at kat.ph
00:40 Multivac http://e1.static.hoptopboy.com/11793/21029/116669/11793B/160x600-USA_1390254805.gif
00:40 Multivac great ad
00:40 Mats_cd03 it poops on my brain each time i recall that 99% of GOOG profitable revenue is from ads
00:40 Mats_cd03 read that somewhere
00:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00084432 = 12.1582 BTC [-] {2}
00:40 BingoBoingo Multivac: I can load the Gif, but for some reason the cert is untrustable
00:41 Multivac well it's porn ad
00:41 BingoBoingo Porn is cool though, Porn is trendy
00:41 Multivac go to kat.ph and reload til you get the ad of girl jiggling but
00:41 Multivac mesmerizing
00:41 Multivac butt*
00:42 BingoBoingo Carlos Martinez had a wall of twitter favorites that was nothing but pink expressed by girls of a rainbow of colors
00:42 Multivac meh
00:42 Multivac to biological for me
00:42 Multivac too*
00:42 BingoBoingo Multivac: Are you insinuating you aren't a pig like the rest of us?
00:43 Multivac No, I'm just my own kinda pig.
00:43 Multivac a flurry of crotch shots is just not my preference
00:44 Multivac I'm vegan.
00:45 BingoBoingo Multivac: Maybe you just don't arouse?
00:45 BingoBoingo You might be old, need cialis?
00:46 Multivac Well i do have an abrupt onset of white beard hairs
00:47 Multivac does cialis help with that?
00:47 BingoBoingo Maybe?
00:49 BingoBoingo What would I know, allegedly being a criminal and all of that.
00:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.05000008 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3}
00:52 Multivac can you still vote?
00:52 BingoBoingo Multivac: Yeah misdemeanor charge, but fighting it, because it is necessary
00:53 Multivac DUI?
00:57 BingoBoingo Multivac: Nah, vanilla disorderly conduct.
00:58 BingoBoingo I am not brave enough to drive under the influence
01:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00497401 = 0.4477 BTC [-] {2}
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00084196 = 18.06 BTC [-] {2}
01:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00481471 = 0.6644 BTC [-] {3}
01:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00481 = 0.2646 BTC [-]
01:26 BingoBoingo Oh, the difference between me an 2013 Bitcoin bastards is I come with my dirty laundry up front
01:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00567298 = 0.4085 BTC [+] {4}
01:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59999249 = 2.4 BTC [+] {2}
01:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00083947 = 14.7747 BTC [-] {2}
01:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00083881 = 3.6908 BTC [-]
01:44 BingoBoingo So, morel of the story, NBC is way to full of itself in its previews
01:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00540006 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {6}
01:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]
01:46 benkay NBC
01:46 benkay news fungi
01:49 BingoBoingo Maybe my last forum post, maybe not my last forum post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5498392#msg5498392 for kakobrekla
01:51 KRS-One .bait
01:51 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m11xh74QjY1qcovono1_500.jpg
01:51 KRS-One BOO
01:51 KRS-One .bait
01:51 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1mvfcVTsb1qk2vvro1_500.jpg
01:51 KRS-One fawk!
01:51 KRS-One hawt
01:56 BingoBoingo Ya
01:57 BingoBoingo Imma still kind of wrapping my head around BingoBoingo being a bigger name than legal Firstname and Lastname
01:57 BingoBoingo That's some trippy shit.
01:59 BingoBoingo So weird, Most real me is a fake me
02:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
02:04 benkay this is what i was freaking out about the other night
02:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1848 @ 0.00017551 = 0.3243 BTC [-] {5}
02:05 benkay how best protect internet keys?
02:05 benkay hey BingoBoingo race you to auth status
02:05 benkay ;;gpg eauth benkay
02:05 gribble Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@75-175-73-123.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7
02:05 BingoBoingo ;;eauth bingoBoingo
02:05 gribble Request successful for user bingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
02:05 benkay ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a4f7750923ee83ec88829bb3fcce45f2fd4308a2fee7efc298ef05a7
02:05 benkay
02:05 gribble You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
02:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2356 @ 0.00017528 = 0.413 BTC [-] {3}
02:06 BingoBoingo ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:340221c995ba650b2eb5528d3edba4b2896f0efbbbc3ed9bdbb7bb49
02:06 gribble You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
02:06 benkay gg
02:06 BingoBoingo ;;rate benkay 1 Won the race
02:06 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
02:06 BingoBoingo gg
02:06 benkay ;;rate BingoBoingo good sport wot wot
02:06 gribble Error: 'good' is not a valid integer.
02:07 benkay ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 good sport wot wot
02:07 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
02:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2969 @ 0.00017433 = 0.5176 BTC [-] {8}
02:07 benkay not a fair race, tbh
02:07 benkay so a key to maintaining good crypto hygiene is to use it all the time, right?
02:07 BingoBoingo benkay: Yeah, so many shortcuts if time was known
02:07 BingoBoingo Yeah
02:07 benkay so a thing that helps is that your otc link is always the same
02:07 BingoBoingo But not stego hygeine
02:07 BingoBoingo No, because stego
02:08 benkay ideally stego is rarely touched tho
02:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1543 @ 0.000171 = 0.2639 BTC [-] {5}
02:08 BingoBoingo OTC auth is suprisingly weak
02:09 benkay go on...
02:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2379 @ 0.00017 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {8}
02:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28386 @ 0.0008417 = 23.8925 BTC [+] {3}
02:09 BingoBoingo Eh, fill in blanks on that selfwise
02:09 dignork benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay'
02:09 dignork but that's not a serious flaw
02:12 benkay i can always demonstrate control of that key to relevant parties, so i'm not convinced
02:12 dignork not through gribble though
02:12 BingoBoingo benkay: Yeah, but that is exactly why Mutually GPG signed contracts are the future
02:13 Apocalyptic <dignork> benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay' // only up to a certain point
02:13 Apocalyptic you will then be banned by gribble for like 10 minutes which leaves him time to auth properly
02:14 dignork Apocalyptic, multiple nicks, etc
02:17 benkay it'd be a fun experiment if assbot randomly asked people to auth
02:18 benkay so crypto is dangerous, right? what are the risks of randomly asking people to auth?
02:19 benkay upside is better hygiene via frequent use of tools; downside is...incentives to grow lazy?
02:19 dignork benkay, at some point you'll decrypt you gpg key, so you won;t have to type in the password for each time you auth
02:25 BingoBoingo So... like ATC has crashed hard.
02:25 BingoBoingo An Imma sleep
02:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9464 @ 0.00084602 = 8.0067 BTC [+]
02:26 benkay why not just decrypt for every use?
02:26 BingoBoingo I think Altcoin has been too cheap for too long, I'll give it a night or two and maybe I'll act on that thought.
02:26 dignork benkay lost nardware==lost key then
02:26 benkay assume backup?
02:27 dignork benkay i meant exposed
02:28 benkay not following diginork, sorry
02:28 benkay lost hardware == exposed key?
02:29 dignork benkay, if your keys are not crypted, if you loose your hardware, or it gets stolen, somebody get's your keys
02:29 dignork same scenario with crypted keys, he will have to bruteforce them
02:30 benkay sure. best practices come into play with the bruteforcing.
02:31 dignork to sustain bruteforce, keys need to be crypted with long meaningless password, security is hard and boring :(
02:33 benkay ;;google romanian dicelist
02:33 gribble Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Climax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/climax>; Decembrie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/12>
02:33 jurov dignork: afaik nobody yet refuted the diceware method (randomly chosen words, easy to remember and still hard to crack)
02:33 jurov http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail i'm on it here
02:33 ozbot Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
02:34 dignork jurov, easy to remember, but entropy is low, a lot of buttins to punch, broken hands, loss of qualification, death
02:34 benkay anyways, diginork, it sounds like the critique you're leveling is that "people will stoop to holding their keys unencrypted if used frequently"
02:34 jurov did you actually a) try it b) did the math?
02:35 jurov i found even 50 char long passprase easier to type than 15-char gobbledygook
02:35 jurov not to mention remember
02:36 benkay this is the tradeoff!
02:36 jurov what tradeoff?
02:36 benkay memorability vs entropy
02:36 jurov pls explain
02:37 dignork jurov, my mail account is a phrase, but the only reason i keep it, is that most cases it remembers me via cookies
02:37 jurov they have the same entropy
02:37 benkay it's a more general tradeoff: convenience/security
02:37 jurov that's what nsa wants you to believe
02:37 dignork entropy is lower to a gibberish of comparable length
02:37 benkay i want to use my keys regularly. that entails memorizing an absurd passphrase and using it all the time to forestall neuron rot.
02:37 BingoBoingo Dice all of the lists, like carrots
02:37 jurov looks my point gets completely lost agina and again
02:38 jurov benkay just try it, it's easier than it sounds
02:38 benkay oh i agree - forgive me for giving the impression that i think diceware doesn't work
02:39 benkay and diced passphrases are way better than the shorter, random ones
02:40 benkay i've just started waking up in cold sweats, haunted by mpoe-pr's story
02:40 jurov everyone gets all heprderp and then comes schneier "just think of a sentence and use first letters"
02:40 jurov now how hig entropy can *that* have?
02:41 jurov iirc every word in english sentence adds only 4 bits or so...and if one strips if to first letters
02:41 jurov just a disaster bound to happen
02:44 jurov oh what happened to mpoe-pr ???
02:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0890001 = 0.623 BTC [-] {2}
02:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00016701 = 0.167 BTC [-]
02:45 benkay she wrote a story a while back
02:45 benkay "that which will be delivered" or some such
02:46 benkay i've completely failed to dig it up
02:46 jurov for the competition?
02:46 benkay b'leev so
02:46 jurov yes i know
02:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 242 @ 0.00567491 = 1.3733 BTC [+] {6}
02:48 benkay the one about the kid and the keys
02:48 benkay yours gave me no small heebie-jeebies either
02:49 benkay http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/
02:49 ozbot Shall be Delivered | The Whet
02:50 benkay the "whet" not the "what"
02:50 jurov yes. but hannah's would only work if gpg would be akin to religion... only zealots could think of giving such responsibility to a child
02:53 jurov not to say it's implausible, people can believe in anything
02:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1999 @ 0.00016599 = 0.3318 BTC [-] {9}
02:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13001 @ 0.00016094 = 2.0924 BTC [-] {4}
02:55 benkay yeah man how does one teach good crypto hygine to kids?
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03:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00084318 = 15.8096 BTC [-] {2}
03:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.07538107 = 3.166 BTC [-] {14}
03:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
03:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 404 @ 0.0055 = 2.222 BTC [-] {3}
03:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
03:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00084086 = 6.4746 BTC [-]
03:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.0048 = 0.1872 BTC [-] {2}
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03:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09048 = 0.2714 BTC [+]
04:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.090495 = 0.362 BTC [+] {2}
04:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00084086 = 10.5108 BTC [-]
04:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.090995 = 0.273 BTC [+]
04:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00017898 = 0.8949 BTC [+] {12}
04:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00495352 = 0.6588 BTC [+] {2}
04:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00495356 = 0.6985 BTC [+] {2}
04:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share
04:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share
04:25 mircea_popescu soo... turns out this was best dividend in s.mpoe history.
04:26 mircea_popescu 428 satoshi on 29-09-12 and 506 satoshi 26-01-13 being the previous highs
04:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07598485 = 0.5319 BTC [+] {2}
04:34 dub https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5493553#msg5493553
04:34 ozbot Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
04:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00495354 = 0.4508 BTC [-]
04:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41421 @ 0.00083883 = 34.7452 BTC [-] {3}
04:46 mircea_popescu dub lol
04:52 punkman "KAM Analysts have come out and established the opening price for MZC at $1.00 USD as a opening price. "We felt this was a reasonable opening price with the Alt Market the way it is currently, Dogecoin is setting around $1.17 in some exchanges and MAXcoin is still right around $1.28."
04:52 punkman http://www.kimitsuassetmanagement.com/
04:52 mircea_popescu ><
04:52 mircea_popescu what the fuck is this.
04:52 mircea_popescu another "altcoin" with a 349587598437598349534 "mkt cap" ?
04:53 punkman it's auroracoin for indians
04:53 mircea_popescu oh.
04:53 mircea_popescu great IDEA
04:53 punkman http://www.mazacoin.org/about.html
04:53 ozbot MazaCoin - About
04:53 mircea_popescu sometimes i wonder if the "entrepreneur" scum even knows what idea means.
04:53 punkman "During the first phase of the MazaCoin pre-mine, the Traditional Lakota Nation as represented by the BTC Oyate Initiative will pre-mine 25 million MazaCoins as the starting point of a National Crypto-Currency Reserve. This reserve is critical as a symbol of national sovereignty, and vital for the future of MazaCoin. "
04:54 mircea_popescu of wtf.
04:54 mircea_popescu we need more pianos to catch lots and lots of fingers in
04:55 mircea_popescu i bet you some nigger* fuckwit somewhere thought "o hey, nobody can oppose this SCAM because it'd be raycest!!11"
04:55 mircea_popescu *nigger in this context is a term of art. see http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ for the definition.
04:55 punkman yeah I know, been working on my own niggers.txt
04:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00083813 = 12.991 BTC [-] {3}
04:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.608 = 1.216 BTC [+]
04:59 punkman waiting for more lulz from that altcoin marketcap bet
05:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22315 @ 0.00083767 = 18.6926 BTC [-] {2}
05:00 mircea_popescu sigh.
05:01 wao-ender today topic, scamcoins?
05:01 * wao-ender popcorn.gif
05:07 mircea_popescu wao-ender no it's just this bet.
05:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
05:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00559998 = 0.56 BTC [+] {3}
05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9365 @ 0.00083687 = 7.8373 BTC [-] {2}
05:13 mircea_popescu by the way : http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/
05:13 mircea_popescu the cuttoff for regs for the april conference is march 15th. there won't be late regs or anything.
05:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17385 @ 0.00083667 = 14.5455 BTC [-]
05:14 dub I'll be in cambodia
05:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04270871 = 0.2563 BTC [-] {5}
05:21 jurov ;;bc,stats
05:21 gribble Current Blocks: 288860 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1443 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 57 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3883050502.07 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.76445
05:21 mircea_popescu not a bad place to be
05:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.04241428 = 0.5938 BTC [-] {4}
05:29 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7iypi49ZW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
05:29 mircea_popescu (why did the chick cross the road ?)
05:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00471013 = 0.1036 BTC [-]
05:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00083849 = 19.998 BTC [+]
05:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00083655 = 28.9446 BTC [-] {3}
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06:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00083953 = 21.8085 BTC [+] {2}
06:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00470895 = 0.7063 BTC [-] {8}
06:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 627 @ 0.00463136 = 2.9039 BTC [-] {7}
06:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1298 @ 0.0001866 = 0.2422 BTC [+] {6}
06:32 mircea_popescu that bitcoin scam foundation thread is really delivering the lels.
06:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
06:43 wao-ender v0v http://www.coindesk.com/icelands-auroracoin-passes-litecoin-becomes-third-largest-altcoin-market-cap/
06:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 360 @ 0.0055 = 1.98 BTC
06:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00479999 = 0.48 BTC [+]
06:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00559998 = 0.1456 BTC [+] {2}
06:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 188 @ 0.00567496 = 1.0669 BTC [+] {3}
06:48 mircea_popescu we're in the middle of a debate as to how scammy this is.
06:49 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499595.0
06:49 ozbot Satoshi should give away a good chunk of the 1.000.000 btc he has
06:49 mircea_popescu teh forum hath spoken
06:57 chetty there should be an award for the dumbest ideas
06:58 mircea_popescu there is.
07:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6087 = 1.2174 BTC [+] {2}
07:10 jurov darwin award doesn't quite apply to internet
07:14 KRS-One Any rumor that mastercoin is going to save goxcoin
07:15 mircea_popescu i heard auroracoin is going to disrupt rainbows.
07:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55007 @ 0.00083292 = 45.8164 BTC [-] {2}
07:16 KRS-One Its about time rainbows were disrupted.
07:17 KRS-One Elusive bastards.
07:17 mircea_popescu ikr ? now they're going to be square
07:17 KRS-One wut! lel
07:17 KRS-One First sinewave, now digital rainbows. Next thing you know cats will sleep with doges.
07:18 mircea_popescu and have retarded otter children
07:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
07:22 jurov that's sloth, no?
07:23 mircea_popescu lol i guess so
07:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6099 = 6.099 BTC [+] {2}
07:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 826 @ 0.0008375 = 0.6918 BTC [+]
07:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
07:36 mircea_popescu The thing is, your brain has to be full of prions to think that this "Punked By Obama Supporter" video shows Fox being punked, either that or you're in first grade where the following exchange is considered an awesome practical joke: "I told you my name's Bill, but it's not, it's Will! All this time you thought it was Bill! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" I'd warn that kid he's going to get himself beat up at recess if I wa
07:36 mircea_popescu sn't helping collect the dirt bombs.
07:36 mircea_popescu Imagine you are in the target demo for Fox & Friends (i.e. your ex-husband drives an F150 and your daughter's Nokia is bedazzled), would you feel punked? What would you see in the video? You'd see a wise ass, a self-aggrandizing cynic, a douchebag. So if he's pro-Obama, then the point is obvious: pro-Obama people are idiots. Thanks, Max, you helped the cause.
07:36 mircea_popescu Imagine Gretchen Carlson doing what she should have done if she was smart: kept the interview going longer. "Oh, I'm sorry, Max, we must all be dummies here at Fox because when you told us you were pro-Romney we... just believed it. We do that with the Bible and pre-war intelligence, too, gosh golly. Well, you have a Columbia education and I'm giving you a national platform, why don't you tell us why we're all stupi
07:36 mircea_popescu d here for supporting Romney? Why should we want Obama for a second term? Please, no soundbites you got from twitter." As the kid's head melts like he was staring into the Ark of the Covenant we'd see clearly that he isn't an Obama supporter at all. He may be voting for Obama, I have no idea, but he wasn't there for Obama, he was there for himself under the pretense antagonizing Fox, which is why his main argument
07:36 mircea_popescu was "s'up." Advice for aspiring comics like Max: if you get to go on TV, you should probably prepare some material.
07:36 mircea_popescu holy shit this guy's good.
07:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04325 = 0.173 BTC [+] {2}
07:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00083169 = 31.9369 BTC [-] {2}
07:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042625 = 0.1705 BTC [-] {2}
07:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC
07:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60001625 = 2.4001 BTC [-] {3}
07:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00083628 = 12.8787 BTC [+]
07:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
07:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00567497 = 0.5902 BTC [+]
07:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1983 @ 0.00083083 = 1.6475 BTC [-]
07:57 moiety mew
07:57 moiety BingoBoingo, you around?
07:58 mircea_popescu hey there moiety
07:58 moiety mircea_popescu: are you
07:58 moiety lol
07:59 moiety yes hi how are you?
07:59 moiety look at this http://imgur.com/gallery/X3IbG it's immense
08:00 mircea_popescu you made that ?!
08:00 chetty wow, I want one
08:00 asciilifeform woah
08:03 moiety i truly wish i made that mircea_popescu
08:03 moiety how amazing is it
08:03 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
08:03 moiety lol ^
08:04 moiety i wonder who did make it and i wish there were better pictures of the sides
08:05 moiety the set i made, i used half kinder eggs with beer cap crowns for queens lol
08:05 mircea_popescu lol
08:05 moiety they had googly eyes too... made the game
08:05 mircea_popescu neat btc product tho, find them and hussle them.
08:06 moiety i think that's the only chess set you can commit a murder with
08:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00567498 = 0.2837 BTC [+]
08:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC {2}
08:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 402 @ 0.00567498 = 2.2813 BTC [+] {3}
08:10 moiety omg its only $295
08:11 moiety lies 910CAD http://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/OldeWorldCC?ref=l2-shopheader-name
08:12 moiety bizarre "only ships within united states" why is it in CAD then
08:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00457976 = 0.1832 BTC [-]
08:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00083593 = 14.8252 BTC [+] {2}
08:23 mircea_popescu "A Kremlin aide was quoted on Tuesday as saying that if the United States were to impose sanctions on Russia over Ukraine, Moscow might be forced to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and refuse to pay off any loans to US banks."
08:23 mircea_popescu now that'd be a riot.
08:23 mircea_popescu suddenly the eu is forced to ALSO drop the dollar because if you can't buy gas from the gazprom with it then what good is it ?
08:24 mircea_popescu putin could just get done with it and declare obama must now spend a week naked in chains pulling the plow under the whip somewhere in rural ukraine.
08:24 asciilifeform plow? bah. uprooted tree stump. what pre-iron-age slavs plowed with.
08:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44737 @ 0.00083635 = 37.4158 BTC [+] {3}
08:27 mircea_popescu but black slavery is a modern not pre-iron-age phenomena
08:27 mircea_popescu let us preserve historic accuracy.
08:28 mircea_popescu anyway, s/whip/knuth
08:28 chetty 5. The fax machine was invented the same year as the Oregon trail migration.
08:30 asciilifeform chetty: early faxes required user to trace over the picture
08:30 asciilifeform by hand
08:30 asciilifeform not quite what modern people have in mind when they think 'fax'
08:32 deadweasel you have died from from plague. your party died in a river crossing.
08:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform now we know how the office xeros romp got started.
08:32 asciilifeform 'you have died of death'
08:32 mircea_popescu o
08:32 asciilifeform (i distinctly recall that being in there)
08:32 mircea_popescu you know i never get you people. i always packed an arsenal of bullets, hunted, got super rich
08:32 mircea_popescu i usually made 3-4x my money by the time i was in oregon
08:34 mircea_popescu http://newswatch.us/28-year-old-ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-dead-after-possible-suicide/#sthash.17rKP4om.dpuf
08:34 ozbot 28 Year Old CEO Of Bitcoin Exchange Dead After Possible Suicide | NEWSWATCH
08:35 asciilifeform nailgun?
08:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.0055 = 0.5225 BTC
08:37 mircea_popescu karpuccinos
08:38 mircea_popescu (twist : Autumn Radtke was a chick)
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08:38 asciilifeform probably asked to 'turn karp' and refused.
08:41 punkman Poloniex hacked, but hackers only took out BTC, didn't care for the altcoins
08:41 mircea_popescu what, they left all the auracoins behind ?
08:41 mircea_popescu BUT IT HAS A MARKET CAP! with a fluffball and all.
08:41 asciilifeform house burgled, thieves took tv but not the turds in the cat's sandbox...
08:42 punkman "The major problem here is that the auditing and security features were not explicitly looking for negative balances."
08:42 punkman "Because there is not enough BTC to cover everyone's balances, all balances will temporarily be deducted by 12.3%."
08:43 asciilifeform can't wait for the exchange that keeps balances as 'unsigned int' and underflows into $MAXINT - epsilon when it gets cleaned out.
08:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 113 @ 0.00574805 = 0.6495 BTC [+] {5}
08:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 505 @ 0.00574406 = 2.9008 BTC [-] {2}
08:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 988 @ 0.00574 = 5.6711 BTC [-]
08:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
08:46 Multivac haha, derps sell their LTCs for AURs, causing LTC to fal from 25 to 21, then BTCChina lists LTC and it goes to 27
08:47 ThickAsThieves maybe itll go back to 40
08:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.0049463 = 1.6817 BTC [+] {6}
08:55 wao-ender http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html
08:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00083182 = 8.9837 BTC [-]
08:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00575 = 0.575 BTC [+]
08:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00490999 = 0.1227 BTC [-]
08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00575 = 0.2875 BTC [+]
08:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1495 BTC [-] {2}
09:00 mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2
09:00 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
09:00 mircea_popescu someone should dump that on twitter.
09:00 mircea_popescu i mean reddit.
09:01 ThickAsThieves get a MPOE-RedditPR
09:01 mircea_popescu http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2014/03/russia-attacked-largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire-in-huge-blaze-2442038.html
09:01 ozbot Russia Attacked? Largest Oil Refinery In Europe Is On Fire In Huge Blaze | Chemtrails
09:02 mircea_popescu sooo... is this a fake ?
09:02 asciilifeform http://englishrussia.com/2014/03/03/largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire
09:02 ozbot Largest Oil Refinery in Europe is on Fire | English Russia
09:02 mircea_popescu http://www.euronews.com/2014/01/10/german-oil-refinery-fire-and-explosion/
09:02 ozbot German oil refinery fire and explosion | euronews, world news
09:03 mircea_popescu apparently it's shell's rheinland
09:04 asciilifeform no snow in that one.
09:04 mircea_popescu hm
09:04 ThickAsThieves :/
09:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42285 @ 0.00083931 = 35.4902 BTC [+] {3}
09:07 diametric Why is in a category called 'chemtrails'
09:08 mircea_popescu probably because the chemtrails did it ?
09:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0434999 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
09:17 moiety oh jeez
09:18 moiety i don't like shell, but that's awful
09:23 ThickAsThieves http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/04/smut_filter_adviser_to_uk_pm_investigated_for_viewing_child_smut/
09:27 ThickAsThieves http://blockchain.com/
09:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00083505 = 24.634 BTC [-]
09:27 Rulother ooo
09:27 ThickAsThieves Transparent exchange maybe?
09:28 Rulother Well we're expecting "big news" from them soon
09:29 ozbot Blockchain.com - Bitcoin Wallet.
09:31 nubbins` judging by the picture of an iphone
09:31 nubbins` i'd say the big news is a functional html5 web wallet
09:31 nubbins` to replace the ios app that got yanked
09:32 ThickAsThieves meh
09:32 nubbins` meh for some, a boon for others
09:32 asciilifeform exploit bounty for yet others.
09:36 nubbins` +1 :D
09:39 ThickAsThieves KateCraig: "However, the bigger reason for the delay is that I've been trying to track down an accounting error. My spreadsheet says we should have much more in the h/w reinvestment fund than we actually have in the bank. I believe I've traced the issue to how depreciation was being calculated."
09:40 asciilifeform 'On March 2nd 2014 Flexcoin was attacked and robbed of all coins in the hot wallet. The attacker made off with 896 BTC...' (http://flexcoin.com)
09:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
09:42 asciilifeform 'As Flexcoin does not have the resources, assets, or otherwise to come back from this loss, we are closing our doors immediately.'
09:49 nubbins` well that's convenient
09:49 Apocalyptic indeed
09:49 Apocalyptic yet another self-hack
09:50 nubbins` "Flexcoin, Inc is located in the Alberta, Canada"
09:50 nubbins` ah, the Alberta
09:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00083505 = 8.5175 BTC [-]
09:51 azi` why would anyone use a service described as "bitcoin bank"?
09:51 nubbins` heh
09:51 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitcoin-bank-flexcoin-shuts-down-after-600-000-theft-1.2559018
09:51 ozbot Bitcoin bank Flexcoin shuts down after $600,000 theft - Business - CBC News
09:51 deadweasel nice to have a shake-out now and again.
09:52 nubbins` https://twitter.com/flexcoin
09:52 ozbot flexcoin (flexcoin) on Twitter
09:52 nubbins` heh
09:52 nubbins` feb 25: "We hold zero coins in other companies, exchanges etc. While the MtGox closure is unfortunate, we at Flexcoin have not lost anything."
09:52 nubbins` march 4: "Flexcoin will be shutting its doors."
09:52 azi` lol
09:52 ThickAsThieves does LAMP have a way to autclose db connections (of a certain age) across all hosted sites
09:52 ThickAsThieves or must it be done in each site script
10:00 diametric ThickAsThieves: its been a while since I've done any PHP code, but all connections get closed if you open them with mysql_connect vs. pconnect
10:00 diametric closed at the end of the session that is
10:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33508 @ 0.00083267 = 27.9011 BTC [-] {2}
10:03 ThickAsThieves thx
10:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00083131 = 22.1128 BTC [-] {2}
10:09 punkman "Make music with the world. "The Cypherfunks" is a decentralized band & cryptocurrency. A new way to make music in the 21st century! The cryptocurrency, enables the new music collective."
10:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [-]
10:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043 = 0.172 BTC [+]
10:13 ThickAsThieves to steal
10:17 punkman "Or, in other words, if Satoshi Nakamoto is the Genius Father of Cryptocurrency as an advancement in cryptotechnology, then Thomas Jackson is its Genius Uncle as an advancement in cryptotechnology in world economics."
10:20 asciilifeform http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=22764360
10:20 ozbot $10M Calif. Gold Coin Hoard Found in Yard May Have Been Stolen From Mint - ABC News
10:20 asciilifeform tldr: if you find gold, shut up, melt it down
10:26 ThickAsThieves Nic Cary will be on bloomberg tv in 35m
10:26 ThickAsThieves http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/
10:26 ozbot Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg
10:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [+]
10:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699996 = 0.154 BTC [-]
10:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52950 @ 0.0008303 = 43.9644 BTC [-] {3}
10:32 moiety aww asciilifeform is that the couple who were out walking and found the gold?
10:34 asciilifeform moiety: yeah, them
10:34 asciilifeform moiety: linked piece mentions that it might be confiscated.
10:34 moiety so if they prove its the 1900 heist money, they won't get anything?
10:35 asciilifeform that was the claim, yes
10:35 moiety plot twist : there weren't only five cans (i hope)
10:36 moiety i'd be too frightened to open the cans for fear of beasties
10:38 ThickAsThieves mircea_popescu pm
10:41 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg5506076#msg5506076
10:41 ozbot Official CaVirtex.com Thread
10:41 nubbins` now that's an interesting way to respond
10:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.043 = 0.559 BTC [+]
10:42 nubbins` <b><i><u>My response</u></i></b>
10:42 nubbins` quoting is hard etc
10:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489979 = 0.2499 BTC [+] {2}
10:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.043 = 0.86 BTC [+]
10:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.043 = 2.666 BTC [+]
10:55 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves lol katecraig is still delayed ?
10:55 mircea_popescu wasn't it xmas ?
10:56 mircea_popescu aww flexcoin eh ? which was this one ? i forget.
10:58 Apocalyptic the first bitcoin bank
10:58 Apocalyptic it's been around for a while afaik
10:59 mircea_popescu pretty sure it's not the first thing posing as a bank no
11:00 nubbins` hadnt heard of it before today
11:00 Apocalyptic should have included quotes I guess
11:00 mircea_popescu larger amounts of airqutes pls
11:00 nubbins` the "first" bitcoin "bank"
11:01 mircea_popescu t"he" etc
11:01 nubbins` "theft"
11:01 mircea_popescu AIRQUOTE EVERYTHING
11:01 Apocalyptic heh
11:01 nubbins` "flexcoin" "will be" "shutting" its "doors"
11:01 ThickAsThieves hehe obama is announcing new budget from an elementary school
11:02 nubbins` did someone whisper it in his ear while he was reading a story?
11:02 nubbins` followed by a look of utter confusion and a few more paragraphs of story-time?
11:03 mircea_popescu "its"
11:03 nubbins` hey those aren't your doors!
11:04 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/report-slum-landlords-dennis-o-keefe-says-1.2558938
11:04 ozbot Report slum landlords, Dennis O'Keefe says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
11:04 nubbins` "O'Keefe said the city will act quickly on complaints once they're received, but if a landlord refuses to allow an inspector into the unit, the city then has to go to court. If an order to clean up a property is then ignored, they would have to go to court again."
11:05 nubbins` report slum landlords, wait two years for solution
11:05 nubbins` meantime, get kicked out of your house
11:05 mircea_popescu that's you ?!
11:05 nubbins` nah
11:05 nubbins` i'm not an o'keefe
11:05 nubbins` nor a dennis, for that matter
11:05 mircea_popescu is keefe like the most common canadian name ?
11:05 Mats_cd03 any bets on when the next exchange with >1000btc gets robbed
11:05 nubbins` relatively uncommon
11:05 nubbins` lots of o'keefes
11:05 mircea_popescu aha i c
11:06 nubbins` 3 generations back, we were o'keeffe but dropped an o and an f
11:06 Duffer1 you mean "robbed" Mats? :P
11:06 nubbins` "exchange"
11:06 Duffer1 hehe
11:06 nubbins` "with", even
11:06 Mats_cd03 is there a sizable irish pop in cn
11:06 Mats_cd03 ca*
11:06 Apocalyptic sounds about right
11:06 nubbins` most of newfoundland has irish heritage
11:07 nubbins` of some sort
11:07 nubbins` the rest of canada, not so much
11:07 nubbins` but it is a nation of immigrants, so y'know. pockets everywhere
11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00083003 = 10.5414 BTC [-] {3}
11:09 nubbins` TBF my ancestors came from england, nor ireland.
11:10 nubbins` bbl picking up rent, etc
11:10 artifexd I'm looking to buy some ATC. x-bt and openex orderbooks are too thin. Anybody selling?
11:11 mircea_popescu artifexd maybe BingoBoingo
11:13 artifexd ;;later tell BingoBoingo I'm trying to buy some ATC. Are you trying to sell?
11:13 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574998 = 0.575 BTC [+] {2}
11:15 ThickAsThieves blockchain on bloomberg momentarily
11:15 ThickAsThieves http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/
11:15 ozbot Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg
11:16 ThickAsThieves facebook is gonna buy drones to provide internet to africa
11:16 ThickAsThieves sell!
11:17 moiety is mark spending his xmas money or something lately?
11:17 ThickAsThieves blockchain.info bought clarkmoody
11:17 ThickAsThieves integrating with zeroblock
11:17 moiety o.o
11:18 ThickAsThieves they bought rtbtc
11:18 mircea_popescu the bitcoin founation policy of decentralisation ?
11:18 mircea_popescu dun dun dun
11:19 ThickAsThieves so they are opening a trading platform
11:19 arij really? when did they buy cm/rtbtc?
11:19 Duffer1 acquire all the things
11:19 ThickAsThieves this week arij
11:19 Apocalyptic <ThickAsThieves> so they are opening a trading platform // wait, rtbtc was not just charts ?
11:19 mircea_popescu "Tommie Rice Esti castigator, o PETRECERE de sfarsit de SAPTAMA..."
11:19 mircea_popescu fucktarded romanian spammers. buy spam software, replace the subject/body copy,
11:19 arij rtbtc lets you trade at gox/stamp using the API
11:19 mircea_popescu use english names.
11:19 Duffer1 rtbtc is a trade platform
11:19 mircea_popescu it totally makes sense some random tommie rice is fluent in romanian
11:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: twist. google's mail has built-in translation. so, spammers no longer need to study languages.
11:20 * arij wonders what will happen to the bitvps link on clarkmoody
11:21 ThickAsThieves it'll get a lot of clicks today
11:21 ThickAsThieves hehe
11:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, this is actually correct romanian. it's nigh on impossible for gt to get 8 words straight.
11:21 ThickAsThieves "our company will never touch fiat" cary says
11:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no, what i meant was, the receiving end
11:22 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves "like we learned from mp" cary doesn't say
11:22 asciilifeform if google's mail, will translate to luser's language.
11:22 mircea_popescu cause he forgot that part.
11:22 mircea_popescu one day i'll understand why this is so hard.
11:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, but, badly.
11:23 ThickAsThieves ok zeroblock isnt an independent exchange, just an interfacing platform
11:23 asciilifeform a good portion of english-language spam shows signs of being produced in exactly this way.
11:23 ThickAsThieves for $20/m
11:23 mircea_popescu i believe it.
11:24 wao-ender good move bch.
11:24 wao-ender these trading platform should rise
11:25 ThickAsThieves i love how now that gox is dead, we don't get 25% price moves after every news tidbit
11:26 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: a team of chumpatronic engineers is working around the clock to fix this.
11:26 ThickAsThieves hehe
11:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00082991 = 10.4569 BTC [-]
11:26 wao-ender soon they move to another X
11:26 asciilifeform 'a holy place never remains empty' (rus. proverb)
11:27 asciilifeform expect a 'MtFox' or the like, using mouth and arse- prints for N-factor authentication and 'AML' government id both
11:27 asciilifeform or something like that.
11:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00485001 = 0.2425 BTC [-]
11:28 asciilifeform the only sure bet is that there will be some sweet placebo to reassure the chumps that 'this time, It's Different !11! (TM)'
11:30 ThickAsThieves reddit is very disappointed in Cary
11:31 ThickAsThieves it is kinda non-news
11:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform has it lol.
11:31 mircea_popescu mp says gox is trading with itself, ppl are like oooooookay.
11:31 mircea_popescu then gox goes away and price suddenly is quite stable.
11:31 ThickAsThieves also they shouldve at least rebranded the acquisition site fully
11:31 mircea_popescu so mp goes oooookay.
11:32 ThickAsThieves they just slapped a squished logo on it
11:32 ThickAsThieves tsk tsk brandbuilding!
11:33 ThickAsThieves well gox is probably also what got us to $300+
11:33 ThickAsThieves fwiw
11:34 ThickAsThieves blockchain also shoulda removed this frozen gox chart from clarkmoody lol
11:34 ThickAsThieves http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/
11:34 ozbot Bitcoin Data Platform | RTBTC
11:34 mircea_popescu what's the rush.
11:34 ThickAsThieves well they just said "Hey look at me!"
11:34 ThickAsThieves typiclaly a good time to comb your hair
11:35 mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2 << check that shit out, suddenly "no data available/0 views"
11:35 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
11:35 mircea_popescu i didn't know imgur deleted stats ?
11:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05110001 = 0.3066 BTC [+] {3}
11:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485772 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2}
11:36 ThickAsThieves hmm that is odd
11:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3}
11:40 deadweasel it's not recording stats anymore either
11:40 mircea_popescu CONSPIRACI
11:41 mircea_popescu twist : is imgur running fractional reserve stats ?
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0057498 = 0.575 BTC [-] {2}
11:41 deadweasel they had to use yoru stats to cover the justin beiber run on imgur
11:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16623 @ 0.00082995 = 13.7963 BTC [+] {2}
11:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00574999 = 0.4255 BTC [+]
11:42 mircea_popescu a statschain divided upon itself can not stand!
11:43 mircea_popescu friends! bitcoiners! citizens! lend me your views!
11:50 Duffer1 I only have likes, do you accept those?
11:50 artifexd lol
11:50 Duffer1 actually i think i have some spare upvotes
11:50 mircea_popescu ;;ticker likes/views
11:50 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38356683 BTC to 3`617 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7177 @ 0.00082986 = 5.9559 BTC [-]
12:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14623 @ 0.00083032 = 12.1418 BTC [+]
12:05 mircea_popescu in today's lol : trilema referrer ronpaulforums.com comes slightly ahead of somethingawful.com
12:06 mircea_popescu not by much and towards the bottom of the pile, but anyway
12:06 asciilifeform what's in the top of the pile?
12:06 Duffer1 ^
12:06 mircea_popescu direct, various rss and twitter feeds
12:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
12:07 mircea_popescu slashdot
12:07 mircea_popescu reddit (0.o)
12:07 mircea_popescu tardstalk
12:07 mircea_popescu litecointalk
12:07 mircea_popescu buncha chinese and russian stuff
12:08 asciilifeform phun phact. first time i ever heard of reddit, i parsed the name as 'Red [i.e. communist] Edit [as in editorial]'
12:08 mircea_popescu lots of ancient links
12:08 mircea_popescu (my article about how to suck cock is still 3rd most read, won't yield that beast)
12:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you were so woefully, drastically and deplorably off the mark with that
12:09 mircea_popescu except wait...
12:09 mircea_popescu no you weren't.
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000003 BTC [-]
12:10 asciilifeform i'm an 'LL(1)' parser.
12:11 mircea_popescu i have a steak at stake and it's fucking sticking it to me
12:11 asciilifeform i'd rather eat steak than stake.
12:12 mircea_popescu im stoked :D
12:12 asciilifeform 'stokes' is a joke, but green's is mean'
12:12 asciilifeform (memory from a maths class)
12:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00574999 = 0.69 BTC [+]
12:13 mircea_popescu i suppose we'll have to have rhymes day namean ?
12:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00082934 = 6.7591 BTC [-]
12:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 676 @ 0.00462569 = 3.127 BTC [-] {8}
12:25 moiety http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/04/apple-carplay-ferrari-ff-hands-on/ lol resistive touch screen
12:25 ozbot Hands-on with Apple's CarPlay: when Siri met Ferrari (video)
12:25 moiety so ugly!
12:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00082934 = 31.4735 BTC [-]
12:27 wao-ender looks resistive
12:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00083029 = 1.37 BTC [+]
12:28 moiety looks resistable
12:32 wao-ender capacitivy wouldnt has that flick buttons
12:32 Mats_cd03 looks like a good competitor to the stuff in tesla's cars
12:32 wao-ender but volvo have capacitve one carplay, well
12:33 asciilifeform who the hell wants a touch screen in a car
12:33 Mats_cd03 i do
12:33 asciilifeform knob, you can twist without looking
12:33 Mats_cd03 im not a scrub that needs haptic feedback
12:35 Mats_cd03 its my opinion that good software solves that problem anyway
12:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't think the people targetted actually drive.
12:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: !?
12:35 asciilifeform screen is meant for passenger?
12:35 mircea_popescu nah
12:35 mircea_popescu screen is meant for douche who can't afford a car at all
12:36 Mats_cd03 why cant you use a touch screen with a voice button mounted on teh wheel
12:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to work? am i just thick?
12:36 mircea_popescu "look how cool and from the future we are"
12:36 mircea_popescu ferrari doesn't sell cars by convincing anyone to buy one
12:36 mircea_popescu ferrari sells cars by convincing poor lithe 20something chicks to blow anyone in a ferrari
12:36 asciilifeform so this is something like the ads on the washington d.c. metro for fighter jets and destroyers?
12:37 mircea_popescu mutatis mutandis
12:37 mircea_popescu or should i say, mutatits mutandine
12:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0222 = 0.111 BTC [+]
12:42 mircea_popescu (this, incidentally, is also why all the limited edition crap)
12:46 mircea_popescu http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/presidential-budget-2015/?
12:46 mircea_popescu check out all those healthcare savings already.
12:46 mircea_popescu #obamawasright
12:46 ozbot Breaking down spending in Obama's budget proposal - The Washington Post
12:47 mircea_popescu tyl : veteran affairs cost as much as education or health care. who knew there's a cost to all that jingoism.
12:47 asciilifeform in u.s., actual education (public schools, etc) is funded on state level
12:48 asciilifeform federal 'dept. of ed' is something quite else
12:49 mircea_popescu point.
12:49 mircea_popescu holden got hit with a -40%
12:49 mircea_popescu "us no longer needs justice dept" ?
12:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'useful' part of the latter is being merged into the 'ministry of love' (DHS)
12:50 asciilifeform (that being the armed stormtroopers)
12:50 mircea_popescu o gee! just like the soviets.
12:51 mircea_popescu epa got slashed. who knew
12:51 asciilifeform it lives on fines
12:51 mircea_popescu i guess if you have no economy you can save on environmnetalism
12:51 mircea_popescu uh, they don't get to make fines part of their own budget do they ?
12:52 asciilifeform they do.
12:52 mircea_popescu whop the fuck came up with that stupid idea.
12:52 asciilifeform just like local police depts
12:52 mircea_popescu jaysus.
12:53 asciilifeform (many u.s. police depts are funded largely by asset seizure - without anyone needing to be convicted of a crime)
12:55 mircea_popescu that i know
12:55 mircea_popescu even wrote about it
12:55 jborkl as I understand it just the State of Texas lew enforcment takes in a billion a year mainly on weed
12:55 mircea_popescu to me it registers as the #1 item on the list of why the us can't be4 taken seriously as a civilised state.
12:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1222 @ 0.00461526 = 5.6398 BTC [-] {5}
12:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889947 BTC [+]
12:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61889956 = 1.2378 BTC [+] {2}
13:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07699997 = 0.539 BTC [+] {2}
13:06 deadweasel civilization via wikipedia: Civilization or civilisation (in British English) generally refers to state polities which combine these basic institutions, having one or more of each: a ceremonial centre (a formal gathering place for social and cultural activities), a system of writing, and a city.
13:06 deadweasel not a definition I would have expected.
13:06 deadweasel so in the most useless sense, we are civlised.
13:07 deadweasel now how do we actually define civilisation?
13:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21640 @ 0.00082816 = 17.9214 BTC [-] {2}
13:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699999 = 0.154 BTC [+]
13:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 457 @ 0.00052008 = 0.2377 BTC [+]
13:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889968 BTC [+]
13:26 mircea_popescu deadweasel civilisation is the totality of material productions of an identified primate group.
13:26 mircea_popescu as contrasted with culture, which is the totality of ideal productions of an ~.
13:26 mircea_popescu together culture and civilisation describe privileged wife,
13:26 mircea_popescu as opposed to bare life (ie, cattle).
13:27 mircea_popescu s/wife/life
13:27 nubbins` check your privilege :D
13:27 nubbins` ba-dum-tss
13:27 mircea_popescu yeah.
13:27 mircea_popescu quite typical for libertards to get stuck blaming the curb.
13:27 deadweasel i prefer this definition. is somewhat more meaningful
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896001 = 0.1792 BTC [-]
13:28 Mats_cd03 !ticker s.mpoe
13:28 assbot It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
13:29 nubbins` My name is Clark Moody, and this is my website. First of all, I love Jesus, and I want you to know him. He has changed my life forever, and His love has the power to change you.
13:30 benkay is that kind of attitude an instant disqualifier for anyone elese?
13:31 nubbins` ¬_¬
13:31 nubbins` yes
13:31 benkay !t m s.mpoe
13:31 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082742 / 0.00084681 / 0.00086433 (1685008 shares, 1,426.89 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00085725 / 0.00088723 (8472227 shares, 7,262.89 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087082 / 0.00093912 (29382299 shares, 25,586.83 BTC)
13:31 benkay Mats_cd03: ^^
13:31 nubbins` i only finished reading the sentence because my peripheral vision picked it up
13:31 Mats_cd03 !t s.mpoe
13:31 assbot The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
13:31 Mats_cd03 !t m s.mpoe
13:31 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082742 / 0.00084681 / 0.00086433 (1685008 shares, 1,426.89 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00085725 / 0.00088723 (8472227 shares, 7,262.89 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087082 / 0.00093912 (29382299 shares, 25,586.83 BTC)
13:31 Mats_cd03 wut
13:32 moiety yes benkay, so much yes
13:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
13:34 benkay hullo moiety
13:35 benkay ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:158cca9962694cd90af05df37425fc2724c92c39cbcaa5b2965f8160
13:35 benkay
13:35 gribble You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
13:35 mircea_popescu meanwhile in a parking lot, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6681rcJVh1qk6jqko1_500.jpg
13:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.004615 = 0.8722 BTC [-] {3}
13:36 benkay i'm uninterested unless they're yours, mircea_popescu
13:37 mircea_popescu my whats
13:37 nubbins` flaps
13:37 mircea_popescu no homo ?
13:38 benkay tits
13:38 nubbins` it's all a spectrum man, don't fight it
13:38 benkay tits in a parking lot are cool, don't get me wrong
13:38 asciilifeform for newswank aficionados, mr. o update his post (http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html) with summary of today's.
13:38 benkay but i seen plenty of that nao
13:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.0046 = 0.2392 BTC [-] {4}
13:38 benkay mircea_popescu's tits, though, that's an entirely different story.
13:38 moiety mircea_popescu: you have a knack for finding naked girls outside
13:39 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qts6XbI1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg < sure :D
13:39 moiety lol at least these ones get shoes
13:39 mircea_popescu moiety some even get a purse.
13:40 BingoBoingo artifexd: ATM I would not be selling ATC at the current market prices
13:40 moiety lolol
13:40 mircea_popescu "Also, something of a consensus among military experts has emerged: Ukraine's army can't fight."
13:40 mircea_popescu derp.
13:41 moiety BingoBoingo: there you are i tried to twitter at you
13:41 mircea_popescu once a state makes the comitment of calling a general mobilisaiton and its ignored,
13:41 mircea_popescu that state is finished.
13:41 asciilifeform 'they had a war and nobody came'
13:41 mircea_popescu sort-of like calling a no confidence vote and not getting any yes.
13:41 mircea_popescu exactly.
13:41 mircea_popescu gotta advertise it on social media better next time.
13:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.0008303 = 25.2411 BTC [+] {2}
13:41 mircea_popescu and incidentally : this is quite instructive for the attentive watcher. with the exception of china and some other asian majors, NOBODY is capable of war.
13:42 mircea_popescu i don't give a shit that the us could deploy fifty or fifty thousand specially trained idiots.
13:42 BingoBoingo moiety: Ah, cool link
13:42 mircea_popescu if it comes to war and there's a general mobilisation, the us couldn't gather even ukraine's 1%
13:42 mircea_popescu the entirety of the combatant populace would be "can they just rape us instead ? we'll fuck for peace"
13:43 asciilifeform http://educate-yourself.org/cn/draftindex.shtml
13:43 ozbot The Military Draft
13:43 asciilifeform haha apparently i'm still good for cannonfodder
13:43 mircea_popescu anyway. the us is in this position where it has to learn to play second fiddle/cocksucker to the actual powers that be
13:43 mircea_popescu and get damned good at it and fucking love it.
13:44 mircea_popescu ideally by last week.
13:44 asciilifeform '... If you have a 'specialty' field such as... a degree in computer science... you could be 'drafted'..'
13:44 asciilifeform (presumably, to install winblows on the platoon laptop, so grunts can play Quake.)
13:45 mircea_popescu ya that'll do a lot of good.
13:45 mircea_popescu fun fact : thai underage prostitutes also value those among them that can fix smartphones.
13:46 mircea_popescu "Now I know better. The government is in the hands of satanic, globalist traitors who are following a script to destroy America and its people"
13:46 asciilifeform in the east, people do indeed fix phones!
13:46 mircea_popescu jesus all the anger.
13:46 asciilifeform when i bought a digital hot air machine circa '07, it came with a whole sausage of power plugs for various phones of the period
13:46 asciilifeform (chinese)
13:47 mircea_popescu hot air machine = tv ?
13:47 deadweasel nubbins, re: clark moody/jesusIsLord, yes, instant disqualifier
13:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04261333 = 0.1278 BTC [-] {3}
13:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope. http://sra-solder.com/shopimages/products/normal/aoyue768.jpg
13:48 mircea_popescu o the actual thing
13:48 mircea_popescu deadpanning my comedee
13:48 asciilifeform right. literal hot air
13:49 asciilifeform the most chinese possible. as in, bouncing ball for air pressure gauge.
13:49 asciilifeform essential household tool
13:50 asciilifeform even if you don't solder
13:50 asciilifeform (e.g. melt hot glue without destroying the glued item)
13:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26046 @ 0.00082709 = 21.5424 BTC [-] {2}
13:51 mircea_popescu dry nail polish
13:51 asciilifeform nah, vacuum works best for that one
13:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00459999 = 0.897 BTC [-] {2}
13:54 artifexd BingoBoingo At would price would you sell?
13:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if the bitch is spherical.
13:55 asciilifeform ah you meant on actual human nails.
13:56 * mircea_popescu duly notes that asciilifeform takes his harpies well manicured.
13:59 BingoBoingo artifexd: Maybe throw out some prices and I'll way yes when one is agreeable?
14:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61944984 = 1.2389 BTC [+] {2}
14:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00465 = 0.1628 BTC [+]
14:01 benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499580
14:01 ozbot BTC Stolen from Poloniex
14:01 asciilifeform unrelated: did anyone ever answer the call to implement btc reference client compatible in verilog?
14:01 benkay suspicious activity monitors: nontrivial to implement.
14:01 mircea_popescu no.
14:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00082516 = 65.3527 BTC [-] {2}
14:02 benkay transactional database transactions: what the hell is that and why would anyone?
14:02 asciilifeform (doesn't have to be verilog in particular - any circuit description system would do)
14:02 mircea_popescu benkay here's a random thought : as long as you're not running on transactional hardware, your "transactional" db stack is exactly implementable in mysql.
14:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 265 @ 0.00468773 = 1.2422 BTC [+] {2}
14:02 artifexd A million ATC for 1 btc
14:03 mircea_popescu artifexd it's been trading over 100 satoshi since it was invented.
14:03 mircea_popescu i think 125ish was the cheapest it ever went
14:03 artifexd I bought 10k this morning for 75 satoshi
14:03 mircea_popescu wow. who from ? where ?
14:03 asciilifeform (circuit-level implementation, done correctly, would leave no room for doubt as to the fate of every input bit, and the origin of every output)
14:04 artifexd https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
14:04 ozbot X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
14:04 mircea_popescu pankkake you around btw ?
14:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo an' how about you ?
14:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6265 BTC [+]
14:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00475 = 0.475 BTC [+]
14:09 asciilifeform from the 'weirdest CAPTCHA' candidates: http://www.microchip.su/search.php
14:14 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm on x-bt as well. For an OTC trade I dunno if I can sell for less than 200 satoshis seeing how thin the asks are.
14:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo suppose i send you a btc so you can put a buywall at 100 in ?
14:15 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I could do that
14:15 mircea_popescu pm me an addy then
14:16 moiety asciilifeform: flippin' heck! @ the captcha
14:18 artifexd The asks are thin. I'd be willing to do a million for 150 satoshi each.
14:20 ThickAsThieves I can sell some for 750sat
14:20 BingoBoingo artifexd: Let me auth and I can sell 75000 at 150 satoshis per
14:20 BingoBoingo ;;eauth BingoBoingo
14:20 gribble Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
14:21 artifexd BingoBoingo deal
14:21 artifexd ;;ident
14:21 gribble Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
14:21 BingoBoingo ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cc40ed3fbc8fef3a0949519122251b4db3bd6e36158af2dc2c7b9ab1
14:21 gribble You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
14:21 artifexd pm addresses?
14:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33740 @ 0.00082443 = 27.8163 BTC [-] {2}
14:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00475002 = 0.2898 BTC [-] {2}
14:22 BingoBoingo K, I am still waiting on a confirm on my withdrawal from the exchange
14:22 mircea_popescu how slow are atc blocks these days ?
14:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 319 @ 0.00475 = 1.5153 BTC [-]
14:24 BingoBoingo http://atc.blockr.io/
14:25 mircea_popescu o right right
14:28 BingoBoingo Anyone mind pointing a Bitfury at ATC for a few minutes?
14:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00479997 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
14:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6281 BTC [+]
14:37 BingoBoingo ;;tslb
14:37 gribble Time since last block: 50 seconds
14:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
14:45 benkay` http://betaboston.com/news/2014/03/04/aereo-online-tv-streaming-broadcasters-supreme-court-justice-department/
14:45 ozbot Feds now oppose Aereo, rejecting cloud apocalypse argument | BetaBoston
14:45 benkay` want to do something clever?
14:45 benkay` leave the fucking states.
14:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00470001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2}
14:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.0047 = 1.692 BTC [-] {2}
14:47 mircea_popescu did they rule ?
14:48 artifexd While BingoBoingo has my appreciation for selling ATC to me, my bid for 1,000,000 ATC at 150 satoshis remains open. Thanks BingoBoingo!
14:48 ThickAsThieves not til April
14:49 mircea_popescu artifexd why no put it on x-btc ?
14:49 artifexd I put part of it on there.
14:49 mircea_popescu aok
14:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00082764 = 29.0717 BTC [+] {2}
14:53 mircea_popescu that book getting some meat on it.
14:54 artifexd eh. not really. 2 million is me.
14:55 mircea_popescu a, the aero thing is yest news really.
14:55 mircea_popescu artifexd that 500k and 1.5 mn?
14:55 artifexd yeah
14:56 BingoBoingo Yeah
14:56 artifexd Wait. No. Only 500k of the 1.5 mn is me.
14:57 artifexd So, I only have 1mn in bids up.
14:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.05107333 = 1.5322 BTC [-] {4}
14:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.051 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}
14:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.03636431 = 1.2728 BTC [-] {7}
15:00 KRS-One .bait
15:00 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/d449b0f3da44baaedcce60296ee35ccd/tumblr_mwrxn19fNb1sls37no1_500.jpg
15:00 KRS-One lol
15:00 KRS-One https://twitter.com/FaceBitCoin/status/440916241554083840
15:00 ozbot Twitter / FaceBitCoin: We got news for you, bub. If ...
15:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 84 @ 0.03187883 = 2.6778 BTC [-] {2}
15:00 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qv7HI6O1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
15:01 KRS-One haha hmm
15:01 KRS-One that girl is thick but looks damn good
15:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02511115 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {2}
15:03 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qs9b7JS1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
15:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.63140501 = 3.7884 BTC [+] {4}
15:05 ThickAsThieves COG selloff
15:06 mircea_popescu !t h cog
15:06 assbot [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.02511115 / 0.0371273 / 0.05110001 (181 shares, 6.72004135 BTC), 7D: 0.02511115 / 0.04444576 / 0.08388999 (514 shares, 22.84512193 BTC), 30D: 0.02511115 / 0.06244861 / 0.11980000 (1662 shares, 103.78959078 BTC)
15:06 mircea_popescu heh
15:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.02512 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2}
15:10 nubbins` getting a surprising amount of traction on casascius coins this past week
15:10 artifexd nubbins` What's a series 1 with error running for nowadays?
15:11 nubbins` all of the series 1s have errors ;)
15:11 nubbins` if you mean a 1btc brass series 1, anywhere from 2.5btc to 5btc
15:11 artifexd I do. Thank you.
15:11 nubbins` fun fact, the 2011 1btc series-2 (non-error) are much harder to find
15:12 nubbins` yet they command a lower premium
15:12 nubbins` figure that out
15:12 mircea_popescu so buy a bunch and save them a decade
15:12 nubbins` the problem with saving them for a decade is that i don't think the btc premium will hold up
15:12 mircea_popescu someone should make a site allowing the pedigree of coins to be traced
15:12 mircea_popescu it'll prove invaluable down the road
15:13 nubbins` i've got pgp-signed documents from casascius stating my fingerprint and the serials of the coins i bought from him
15:13 nubbins` i've been offering to extend the chain of custody with every sale
15:13 ThickAsThieves plus, doge will take over btc anyway right
15:13 nubbins` i think one person has taken me up on it so far
15:13 nubbins` tat, +1
15:13 asciilifeform coin should be electronic. with small camera, dead-reckoning navigation gyro... antifuse ROM for log.
15:13 asciilifeform there's your pedigree record...
15:14 nubbins` coindano
15:15 nubbins` in my experience, most people who collect casascius coins don't know shit about coin collecting in general
15:15 nubbins` it's very, very common to see people determining resale value based on face value ("3x face" etc)
15:19 mircea_popescu heh
15:19 mircea_popescu take it the other way : the more you put into educating market, the sooner you'll have an educated market.
15:20 nubbins` i've been trying, it's an uphill battle
15:20 mircea_popescu your efforts explode exponentially, the fact you put in some sane structure today attracts wall street tomorrow
15:20 mircea_popescu and of course a bunch of fuctards who imagine THEY had anything to do with it
15:20 mircea_popescu but all that is plainly indifferent to you. there's no requirement the fucktards know who gaia is.
15:21 nubbins` i honestly feel bad for the people paying 30btc for a 10btc piece because they saw an 0.5btc piece sell for 1.5
15:21 nubbins` 18btc pissed down the drain
15:21 mircea_popescu i feel bad with people with micropenis.
15:21 nubbins` do you?!
15:21 mircea_popescu for people*
15:21 mircea_popescu sure.
15:22 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426836.msg5239917#msg5239917
15:22 ozbot [WTS] Casascius Series 1 1BTC, 5 BTC, 25 BTC
15:22 mircea_popescu not like they had 20 inches and decided to piss 18 of them away ya know ?
15:22 nubbins` ^ re: face value and resale value
15:22 nubbins` too true
15:23 mircea_popescu such shitty photos
15:23 nubbins` even the good photos are shitty. those things are almost impossible to photograph well
15:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 751 @ 0.0047 = 3.5297 BTC [-] {3}
15:24 mircea_popescu because no tools.
15:24 mircea_popescu (hint : spot lights don't work for coins)
15:24 nubbins` nod. you need lighting
15:25 nubbins` cell phone cameras are inadequare
15:25 nubbins` inadequate, even
15:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30631 @ 0.00082649 = 25.3162 BTC [-] {2}
15:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00469999 = 0.3008 BTC [-] {2}
15:26 mircea_popescu Even at today's exchange rates, that's a TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR premium. For a privately-minted round issued in 2013.
15:26 mircea_popescu Go into a coin store and tell them about this, watch their jaw hit the floor.
15:26 mircea_popescu word.
15:26 mircea_popescu anyway : you need a flat panel difuse lighting thing.
15:26 mircea_popescu there's special kits for taking pics of small shiny shit like coins
15:26 nubbins` yeah
15:27 nubbins` phone cameras usually have auto-focus as well, which really shits the bed photographing the holos
15:27 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498302.0
15:27 ozbot Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi
15:27 mircea_popescu this should be self-explainatory.
15:27 nubbins` best casascius photos i ever took with a phone, and they're shit: http://imgur.com/a/BWHw5
15:28 mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah, if you use a bed the advantage is that the focus is fixed
15:28 mircea_popescu and you know VERY well exactly how far off the item is
15:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0762 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2}
15:28 nubbins` nod
15:28 nubbins` fun fact, i sold that coin for 5.5btc
15:29 nubbins` "In short, you have NOTHING to worry about."
15:29 nubbins` i've heard that before
15:31 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/critical-crypto-bug-leaves-linux-hundreds-of-apps-open-to-eavesdropping/
15:31 ozbot Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open to eavesdropping | Ars Technica
15:31 asciilifeform Don't Blame The Mice!
15:32 jcpham https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499965.msg5512103#msg5512103
15:32 ozbot WTS: 2012 McLaren MP4-12C 3.8L 616HP Supercar
15:33 asciilifeform also fun:
15:33 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/journalist-nsa-wont-give-me-a-secure-channel-to-communicate-on/
15:34 mircea_popescu yeah.
15:34 asciilifeform 'It's significant that no one managed to notice such glaring errors, particularly since they were contained in code that anyone can review.' << ahahaha
15:35 nubbins` "Hiring a lawyer to recoup < 50BTC is idiotic. Lack of practical legal recourse is what makes Bitcoin scamming so attractive."
15:35 nubbins` i've heard THAT before, too.
15:35 nubbins` BingoBoingo: i wish i had to use a glass to hear my neighbours
15:36 mircea_popescu derp.
15:36 mircea_popescu what, you mean https is in no way s ?
15:36 mircea_popescu who would have thought this!
15:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "what, you mean just because people could expend highly specialised, intricate work that's usually highly paid for free it doesn't mean they also will?!?!?!"
15:37 asciilifeform it would remain derp even if the code were written to spec, by a god.
15:37 asciilifeform because PKI == chumpatron
15:37 mircea_popescu gedankenexperiment : cleanning the streets in my town is open source
15:37 mircea_popescu i could be out there scraping gum from the sidewalk at this very moment.
15:37 asciilifeform fools will install the patched version, and 'ahhh i'm seekure now.'
15:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0905256 = 1.0863 BTC [+] {8}
15:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09254285 = 0.6478 BTC [+] {4}
15:41 nubbins` grumble, no closer to getting keyboard input working in eulora
15:41 nubbins` i wish there was someone else trying this on osx so we could compare notes ;(
15:41 mircea_popescu me2
15:48 nubbins` [17:15:46] <ProphetDaniel> Hi there gentlemen
15:48 nubbins` [17:15:53] <ProphetDaniel> I'm a newbie over here.
15:48 nubbins` [17:16:35] <ProphetDaniel> And I would like to receive a positive 1 rating for learning the GPG/OTC for BTC
15:48 deadweasel "i opened my box of animal crackers, what did I win?
15:48 nubbins` "i learned how to do my job, where is my raise?"
15:49 deadweasel i exist, therefore rate me a positive 1
15:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61357 = 1.8407 BTC [-] {2}
15:49 nubbins` heh
15:49 nubbins` ;:rate deadweasel 1 he exists
15:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60007504 = 2.4003 BTC [-] {3}
15:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1437 BTC [+]
15:55 benkay` http://www.meetup.com/Wantrepreneurs-Anonymous/?gj=ej1b&a=wg2_l1
15:55 benkay` i get it
15:55 benkay` everyone's retarded and incapable of doing things
15:55 benkay` wanting ratings for using gpg
15:56 benkay` thinking they're running companies
15:57 Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: what do you think future revenues look like after the changes
15:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0896002 = 0.448 BTC [-] {3}
15:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00083069 = 24.2146 BTC [+] {2}
15:57 mircea_popescu what are we talking about ?
15:57 Mats_cd03 @ s.mpoe
15:58 FabianB_ mircea_popescu: haven't read backlog yet, has s.bbet divident already been discussed?
15:58 mircea_popescu FabianB_ report published, dividend paid, was there a problem ?
15:58 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 hard to say.
15:58 asciilifeform s.bbet ?!
15:58 asciilifeform ah
15:58 asciilifeform nm
15:58 FabianB_ mircea_popescu: i have the feeling i got too much ;)
15:58 mircea_popescu uhm
15:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0895 = 0.537 BTC [-] {2}
15:58 FabianB_ total div divided by 3 mil instead of 10 mil
15:59 jurov how much did you get per share?
15:59 mircea_popescu Mar 04 11:24:30 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share
15:59 mircea_popescu ayup.
15:59 FabianB_ 122 satoshi per
15:59 mircea_popescu a well, thanks for pointing out ><
15:59 FabianB_ but i think it should be around 37 satoshi
16:00 mircea_popescu will be charging 2.577507877 BTC against march profits.
16:00 benkay` why does the div command even have a notional float?!
16:00 mircea_popescu early dividends because the mp can't math.
16:00 ThickAsThieves heh
16:00 mircea_popescu benkay` mostly for this reason.
16:00 FabianB_ heh, the bbet usual :)
16:01 mircea_popescu we are very serious about our accounting
16:01 ThickAsThieves what if i sell my bbet?
16:01 mircea_popescu we just don't use the same maths as the rest of you
16:01 ThickAsThieves no debt to pay!
16:01 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves efficient market hypothesis!
16:01 benkay` it just introduces an opportunity to screw things up.
16:01 FabianB_ well, shit happens
16:01 mircea_popescu your shares have already been discounted
16:01 mircea_popescu FabianB_ on a monthly basis
16:02 FabianB_ yeah, since next months div will be better anyway :)
16:02 ThickAsThieves friggin scammars
16:03 ThickAsThieves better bet yes on altcoin market cap bet to cover losses
16:03 FabianB_ i guess it's the only sane way to move it to next month
16:03 mircea_popescu FabianB_ pretty much.
16:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0047387 = 0.2369 BTC [+]
16:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
16:05 mircea_popescu im just slightly distraught that there's no way i can blame this on kakobrekla
16:05 nubbins` well, there is one way
16:05 nubbins` unjustifiably ;D
16:05 mircea_popescu benkay` but in seriousness : the float in the div command allows 3rd parties to verify the float.
16:06 mircea_popescu as mpex won't let you pay for less than the records show, and you don't want to pay for more.
16:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04299986 = 0.344 BTC [+] {2}
16:07 FabianB_ most s.bbet shareholders are longterm anyway
16:07 benkay` didn't you just pay to less than the nominal float?
16:07 mircea_popescu !t m s.bbet
16:07 assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.00050531 / 0.000511 (810 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.000616 / 0.00077 (22069 shares, 13.59 BTC)
16:07 mircea_popescu FabianB_ indeed lol.
16:07 mircea_popescu benkay` no. to more.
16:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.04389905 = 1.6243 BTC [+] {3}
16:08 mircea_popescu basically i paid the entire profit to the 3mn shares outstanding
16:08 mircea_popescu rather than pay 0.3xprofit to the 3mn shares outstanding
16:08 benkay` ah yeah
16:08 benkay` that thing where you have shares off the exchange
16:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0439103 = 0.6147 BTC [+]
16:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04417857 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3}
16:10 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5512802#msg5512802
16:10 ozbot Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
16:10 mircea_popescu teh gift that just keeps on givin'
16:13 BitcoinPropagand Any btc millionaire here?
16:14 BitcoinPropagand https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=447133.60
16:14 ozbot FREE BITCOIN PROPAGANDA - HELP NEEDED
16:16 ThickAsThieves lol usagi
16:19 benkay` these arts are really impressive
16:19 ThickAsThieves kakobrekla 0: -0 / +1(1)2013-07-151140 btc CPA contract.
16:19 ThickAsThieves wassat?
16:19 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves back in 2012 i think ? kako had an insurance deal on which usagi's cpa paid out
16:20 ThickAsThieves word, the date threw me
16:20 mircea_popescu yeah no way that was last august
16:20 mircea_popescu it was way before your time
16:21 benkay` BitcoinPropagand: austerity has neat type design, i just don't care about austerity at all.
16:21 benkay` or working class gold at all.
16:21 benkay` ufo for sale is moderately amusing
16:22 ThickAsThieves ‏@CharlieShrem 3h
16:22 ThickAsThieves Tomorrow, 12CT/1ET I'll be giving a powerful speech via Skype adapted from @Falkvinge Stockholm, 2006 freedom demonstration. #TexasBitcoin
16:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00082643 = 37.7679 BTC [-] {2}
16:33 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/440930297153347584
16:33 ozbot Twitter / BBCBreaking: Russia test-fires ...
16:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32184 @ 0.00082992 = 26.7101 BTC [+]
16:34 benkay` and more, BingoBoingo http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/top-russians-face-sanctions-by-us-for-crimea-crisis.html?_r=0
16:34 benkay` that'n's per-tic-u-ler-ly lulzy
16:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000021 BTC [+]
16:44 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/774/feeder-cattle-jan-2015-over-250-at-any/
16:44 ozbot BitBet - Feeder Cattle Jan 2015 over $250 at any point in 2014
16:44 mircea_popescu if anybody got any feeder cattle.
16:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
16:46 moiety the bitbet i have been waiting for!
16:48 pLambert what is this, a bitbet not based on bitcoin? Absurd!
16:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.58261144 = 6.9913 BTC [-] {8}
16:48 moiety how much do storage containers cost?
16:49 benkay` TEU's run about 1.6KUSD over here, moiety.
16:49 mircea_popescu yeah, coupla grand or so
16:49 benkay` china ships 'em over and then doesn't want them back.
16:49 mircea_popescu but you can't move gfs in containers.
16:49 moiety ok i have a new grand plan!
16:49 BingoBoingo WHy not?
16:49 moiety yes you can mircea_popescu in fact, loads of them at once!
16:49 mircea_popescu ps : for the people not doing agrifutures : gf is the code prefix for feeder cattle.
16:49 moiety ohhh
16:49 moiety lol
16:50 mircea_popescu gfj4 is the current on the run (apr 2014)
16:50 ninjashogun hi
16:50 ninjashogun hi, mircea_popescu
16:50 mircea_popescu ello
16:51 moiety this week's grand plan: (this one is for accomodation) http://www.worthytoshare.com/house-super-cool-inside-outside-shocked-much
16:52 nubbins` "a powerful speech via Skype"
16:52 nubbins` lel
16:52 mircea_popescu moiety yeah well, the poor of india live in containers since the 50s
16:52 nubbins` "a serious document written in red crayon"
16:52 mircea_popescu there are problem
16:52 mircea_popescu nubbins` kids today.
16:52 pLambert mircea_popescu: in your statements you keep saying "The P/E implied value per share is so far 0 BTC." What is that going to say when you do have earnings? Do you have a PE value you will calculate an estimated price from?
16:52 moiety i bet they don't look like that mircea_popescu
16:53 mircea_popescu pLambert well, avg price / earnings
16:53 mircea_popescu moiety there are problems, such as due to lack of foundations.
16:53 mircea_popescu poor thermic and fonic insulation
16:53 mircea_popescu it's really not such a great solution.
16:53 pLambert yeah, I know how to get PE, but what is a P/E implied value?
16:54 moiety 6 containers @ 2k each seemed fab idea.. ok i'll stay in my igloo
16:54 asciilifeform shipping container works best when you bury in a concrete-lined pit.
16:54 mircea_popescu pLambert the implied simply translates the fact that the earnigns and the price signals are averages and so... a guess.
16:55 mircea_popescu moiety 1.5-2k is for an actually functional ones.
16:55 moiety asciilifeform: couldn't you sort of paint the inside iof it with cement?
16:55 mircea_popescu you can prolly buy scrap for the cost of metal.
16:55 asciilifeform moiety: structural, rather than decorative
16:55 moiety yes but to save having to bury it
16:56 asciilifeform earth + planks is the frame for the pour.
16:56 asciilifeform so, buried.
16:57 moiety i just feel renting is such bad value
16:57 asciilifeform moiety: you rent a shipping container?
16:57 mircea_popescu no, she curently rents a tea cozy
16:57 mircea_popescu but plans to move up in the world
16:57 moiety you qould buy it if you were to live in it though right
16:58 asciilifeform where i live, it is forbidden to live in anything that is not a house, except in specially-designated leper colonies.
16:59 moiety mircea_popescu: exactly! discovering containers aren't really 'up' though now XD
16:59 moiety asciilifeform: there was a couple here built an amazing house and they had to tear it down becauseit didn't qualify
16:59 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
17:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so move to missouri. you can live in a beer can tower there
17:00 moiety http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/couple-lose-fight-save-hobbit-5395091
17:00 asciilifeform see note re: leper colonies
17:00 ozbot Couple lose fight to save 'hobbit house' eco-home from demolition - Wales Online
17:00 moiety wonderful inside
17:02 mircea_popescu The appeal by Megan Williams was dismissed because the 'benefits of the development did not outweigh the harm to the character and appearance of the countryside'.
17:02 mircea_popescu what srsly ?
17:02 dub was thinking about putting something like this behind my place as a bar/bbq kitchen
17:02 dub https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV4WbCQOCa8ZDbgw85e5GZ6MEMF-yrlMXto3-tzrFip8ytMsx8
17:03 mircea_popescu who the fuck asked anybody,. it's their fucking land.
17:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you have allodial titles where you live?
17:03 mircea_popescu in this sense, yes we do.
17:04 mircea_popescu you can build whatever the fuck you please as long as you own the land.
17:04 asciilifeform in anglo world, land isn't really owned, just borrowed from the crown - like in ussr.
17:04 mircea_popescu ;;google turn eiffel slobozia
17:04 gribble The Eiffel Tower Replica In Slobozia, Romania Is Especially Awesome: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/01/the-eiffel-tower-replica-_n_4337941.html>; Slobozia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobozia>; List of Eiffel Tower replicas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eiffel_Tower_replicas>
17:04 mircea_popescu yes, but in the roman empire land is actually owned.
17:05 dub http://1.design-milk.com/images/2013/05/roundup-container-homes-1-600x247.jpg badass
17:05 asciilifeform colleague of mine had to search for ages when buying a house where one was permitted to... plant an orchard.
17:05 mircea_popescu ridiculous
17:05 mircea_popescu romanian friends went to us, bought land, proceeded to build (proper) house
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17:05 dub I could keep hens here but not a rooster
17:05 mircea_popescu which means, concrete foundation, brick walls
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17:06 dub and pen must be 1m from boundary
17:06 mircea_popescu ended up with a fucking bitter legal fight and eventually left the place with the idea that the us is a pre-modern shithole
17:06 asciilifeform let me guess. couldn't get a government-approved architect to sign off on it
17:07 mircea_popescu no, you were not allowed to build houses that solid.
17:07 mircea_popescu gotta use vinyl siding crap
17:07 asciilifeform haha
17:07 mircea_popescu yeah it was like "i'm shooting this pencilneck" "dude what the fuck do you care about some random us pencilneck. go to peru, build there."
17:08 ninjashogun is anyone here interested in loans? (I'm trying to raisie one as part of bootstrapping my hardware startup)
17:08 mircea_popescu at this rate we'll probably end up with a "no soliciting" rule.
17:08 dub let me in on dat
17:08 mircea_popescu ninjashogun you think something magically changed since last week or w/e ?
17:09 ninjashogun last week or w/e I also connected with people. Didn't find the right match. Different people could be in here now.
17:09 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:09 asciilifeform ninjashogun: perhaps you have mistaken the address. loan lives at bank.
17:09 ninjashogun likewise, the person that I basically actually have done all the legwork with, shared many forms of contact, etc, and agreed on basic terms - I also met online (different channel.)
17:10 mircea_popescu you misunderstand how things work to an amusing degree.
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17:10 ninjashogun asciilifeform, I don't think a bank loan can be used to finance what I'm doing. If it could there would be no need for angels in the world.
17:10 mircea_popescu nothing can be used to finance what you're doing you fuckwit you.
17:10 asciilifeform ninjashogun: bank loan can finance a dope habit
17:10 asciilifeform you just have to... pay it back
17:11 asciilifeform is the intended implication that... you don't intend to?
17:11 mircea_popescu this nonsense whereby you secrete your own fictious world where you're not an idiot in spite of actually being an idiot is unfinanceable.
17:12 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, well, considering that the startup has already been financed to an extent, your statement is false. Something can't be unfinanceable if it has been financed.
17:12 mircea_popescu jesus god.
17:12 asciilifeform if financed, then why ask?
17:12 pLambert mircea_popescu: do we need another trilema post about how things are supposed to work?
17:12 mircea_popescu pLambert no, because kids know better than to read anything anyway
17:12 ninjashogun asciilifeform, because that was over a year ago, and that was to the company.
17:12 asciilifeform and new one is to be to... ?
17:12 ninjashogun asciilifeform, I would like to bootstrap a bit farther and need to make further milestones that have a nontrivial cost for me.
17:13 mircea_popescu personally i blame the school system. this new idea whereby instead of beating them every time they fail to consult the dictionary upon encountering an unknown world they're encouraged to guess "based on context" what "it might mean"
17:13 mircea_popescu it's been the ruin of an entire generation.
17:13 asciilifeform ninjashogun: what are you building, that you need a loan? airplane? particle accelerator?
17:13 ninjashogun to myself, as a personal loan. I would like to do it this way because the company has become much more valuable, has assigned IP assets, etc. It doesn't make sense to raise a small amount of company by the company.
17:13 mircea_popescu ninjashogun you are nobody. what personal ?
17:13 mircea_popescu does your brain work at all ?
17:13 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, I'd ask you to tone it down a bit.
17:13 mircea_popescu but i mean, at all. to an absolute modicum of minimal function.
17:13 mircea_popescu fuck you
17:13 asciilifeform i'm genuinely curious what this fellow intends to do with the money
17:13 mircea_popescu you don't ask anything.
17:14 BingoBoingo ;;ident ninjashogun
17:14 gribble Nick 'ninjashogun', with hostmask 'ninjashogun!~User@212.96.61.236', is not identified.
17:14 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no, because the hip thing to do is to come here each week and not wot, and then ask mp to tone it down a bit
17:14 asciilifeform if the answer is 'pay for groceries' he has the wrong address
17:14 mircea_popescu god forbid anyone ever tells you when you're an idiot.
17:14 ninjashogun asciilifeform, yes, like your examples of airplane and particle acccelerator, it is physical hardware. Obviously a plane on a new design would cost millions in R&D, however we just have proprietary educational hardware and have very modest needs (under about $17K)
17:14 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I see.
17:14 ninjashogun which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your thinking is correct, asciilifeform
17:15 asciilifeform ninjashogun: please consider saying what it is.
17:15 asciilifeform if you want to have a sporting chance of interesting someone
17:15 mircea_popescu anyway, taking ideas on how exactly one manages to help the dunning-kruger crowd of entrepreneurs.
17:15 jborkl you would be better off going to the lending subsection on bitcointalk
17:15 jborkl that is where those type of loans reside
17:16 asciilifeform ninjashogun: for instance, if you were to reveal what the hardware is, i might take pity and tell you how to obtain an equivalent for 17 instead of 17k usd.
17:17 nubbins` ninjashogun if you ident i can provide you with any size loan you need
17:17 pLambert I don't understand, why would you take a personal loan to finance your business instead of having your business get the loan it needs?
17:17 mircea_popescu "Feb 25 08:13:06 <ninjashogun>guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl."
17:18 mircea_popescu that's where we're at.
17:18 mircea_popescu you have to be incredibly fucking retarded to go "hey guise, i don't give a shit about you bye"
17:18 mircea_popescu then copme back a week later going "hey guise pls charity ???"
17:18 mircea_popescu you've chosen your road, you're too good to do what you're supposed to do, go do it somewhere else.
17:18 pLambert oh, wait, these things are recorded?
17:18 nubbins` heh
17:18 mircea_popescu of course they're recorded.
17:18 nubbins` every word
17:19 mircea_popescu pLambert we've not even come to the part where he's taking a BTC denominated loan.
17:19 pLambert getting a BTC loan is easy ... paying it back is the hard part!
17:19 BingoBoingo Want to borrow, 5-10 BTC for gambling. Three month term, will return principle + 10% or list of losing bets << Is this questionable and scammy enough, I also ams not auth'd
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17:20 mircea_popescu and to top it all off, i actually took the time to point out to him the previous beggar that ended up here drug in by the openbsd story
17:20 mircea_popescu at least that guy had a decent whine about noisy laptops and naked wives in eastern russia
17:21 BingoBoingo Unfortunately he didn't anticipate mircea_popescu's preference whereby wives be naked
17:21 nubbins` "or list of losing bets"
17:21 nubbins` i like it
17:21 mircea_popescu i wonder what roger ver pays for a list of losing bets
17:21 BingoBoingo That's a good question
17:22 BingoBoingo The problem with that loan structure known is it is easy to compile hypothetical losing bets after the fact
17:22 mircea_popescu that's ok, roger ver buys everything
17:22 mircea_popescu he's rich, bich.
17:22 mod6 heh
17:23 BingoBoingo If only Betbet allowed bets open longer than a Year, "Roger Ver to fall under 1 BTC in holding by 2020"
17:24 mircea_popescu how would you ever verify it ?
17:24 BingoBoingo Also a good question.
17:26 BingoBoingo Maybe Usagi's Eternal bond can buy into the gambling loan from hell.
17:26 mircea_popescu only if you talk nice to him
17:26 mircea_popescu actually... he's probably in desperate need of a friend.
17:27 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/canada-post-says-sorry-for-homophobic-flyer-delivery-1.2559680
17:27 ozbot Canada Post says sorry for homophobic-flyer delivery - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
17:27 BingoBoingo I've probably talked mean to him in the past
17:27 nubbins` interesting that they chose that for a headline, rather than "Canada Post now vetting and censoring addressed admail"
17:27 nubbins` guess this means the price of stamps is going up
17:28 mircea_popescu nubbins` ideally they stop delivering admail altogether.
17:28 mircea_popescu that'd be a splendid measure.
17:28 nubbins` would be even nicer
17:28 nubbins` i'd be able to take the "no flyers please" sign off my mailbox
17:29 nubbins` too much money in it tho
17:29 nubbins` 40-50 cents per piece
17:30 mircea_popescu perhaps i'm being silly, but i suspect there's actually a hidden barb in there. ie, superficially it seems there's too much money to give in,
17:30 mircea_popescu but if you gave it up suddenly the post office wouldn't be floundering anymore.
17:30 mircea_popescu consider the situation of prostitutes. while fucking random men for money is in fact more income than your average married woman makes on a day by day basis, cash in hand basis
17:31 mircea_popescu nevertheless the net worth, average expenditure etc of married women exceeds that of prostitutes.
17:31 mircea_popescu maybe if the post office quit being a whore it'd actually not go bankrupt every 15 years.
17:31 nubbins` they're trying to phase out home delivery now, and move everyone to neighbourhood "supermailboxes"
17:32 nubbins` the elderly and infirm be damned!
17:32 mircea_popescu so you have to go queue for your flyers ?
17:33 nubbins` http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/FF/CCB86F359BC0386F7CABB6137B4B.jpg
17:33 nubbins` not enough of them in one spot for a queue to be necessary
17:33 nubbins` (do you think flyers still get delivered to that particular box?)
17:33 mircea_popescu heh
17:34 ninjashogun sorry, nubbins`, just read the backlog now. I was chatting with a couple of people sorry.
17:34 nubbins` ninjashogun: don't worry about it, i was kidding anyway. go fuck yourself
17:34 ninjashogun I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at the budget breakdown together as well - I would expect it to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC.
17:36 BingoBoingo Those seem to default more frequently than properly structured IRC loans though.
17:36 mircea_popescu ok, which one of you trolls is impersonating satan over here ?
17:36 nubbins` ninjashogun: consider that you might as well be walking into banks asking for a loan and providing your WoT identity
17:37 asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/9Ef7F07z
17:37 ozbot spamatron - Pastebin.com
17:37 nubbins` lel
17:37 nubbins` brb shepher's pie :D
17:37 ninjashogun nubbins` Okay I'll bite. For people with real-world assets and paperwork, what on Earth benefit does ANYONE here get out of a robust WoT system existing?
17:38 mircea_popescu you ever heard of this thing called bitcoin ?
17:38 ninjashogun nubbins`, why is it a benefit for you that that even exists? (For cases where there is a real world identity behind both sides)
17:38 BingoBoingo ninjashogun: Well just this afternoon someone supposed a deal, I took and and the thing was resolved in minutes.
17:39 ninjashogun yeah mircea_popescu, I just heard of an exchange that might have just walked off with millions in deposits, because rather than rely on real world contracts to protect creditors (people who deposit) it just built an online trust model.
17:39 mircea_popescu you misheard.
17:40 BingoBoingo The used real world contracts to defraud, when they should have implemented a strong trust model
17:40 ninjashogun BingoBoingo - if you trusted a stranger based on a WoT score and resolved a deal in a few minutes, you're very likely going to be scammed one day. It takes far longer than a few minutes to verify someone's identity that you've never met.
17:40 nubbins` you're nothing if not tenacious
17:40 nubbins` i'm not sure how best to express that nobody in this channel will ever, ever give you what you're looking for
17:41 nubbins` almost every regular has tried
17:41 BingoBoingo ninjashogun: People don't have a "WoT score" they have personalize networks. The score is the least relevant part of a WoT
17:41 ninjashogun BingoBoingo - trust models can't be programmatic, or they will be games. For example someone will set up $10K just to spend on interest as they do hundreds of transactions with trusted members over a year - the only goal being to be given a $200K transaction that they then walk off with. You can't build trust programmatically.
17:41 mircea_popescu actually, a better expression : over a short week, youv'e gone from some random scum nobody'd consider seriously to someone that everyone would make a point out of never doing any sort of business with. sort of from 0 to -100
17:41 mircea_popescu i guess itmust be a talent.
17:42 asciilifeform it is so very easy to build... distrust programmatically.
17:42 mircea_popescu incredibly, but true. this can actually be done.
17:43 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, well, this does not match my impression of conversations off of this channel. You seem to be the only one with a very strong view. I would humbly submit that it is due to your strong interest in one particular financial model. Of course if you start swearing at me people will dislike me.
17:44 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, I've had private conversations that were just fine. It's true that you disagree with my approach and have clout here, you certainly set the tone in here, that's your right.
17:44 asciilifeform actually i don't think anyone here is particularly fond of spammers and charlatans
17:44 mircea_popescu that's a convenient misrepresentation.
17:45 mircea_popescu im pretty sure everyone here'd manage to feed his children with or without me.
17:46 mircea_popescu darn, beat to it again.
17:46 mircea_popescu i really have to learn to type with both hands
17:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09299796 = 0.279 BTC [+]
17:47 thestringpuller lol a lot Diablo 2 players with they could type with one hand
17:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
17:56 mircea_popescu thestringpuller what are you up to these days anyway ?
17:58 asciilifeform color me clueless, but i'm curious: who wrote eulora ?
17:59 mircea_popescu it's a huge pile of software upon which chetty sits
18:00 asciilifeform yes, i saw the bit about the uncooperative graphics libs, etc. but who wrote the remainder?
18:00 asciilifeform chetty ?
18:00 mircea_popescu nah, there's cal3d, which is a gfx library mostly. open source.
18:01 asciilifeform remainder being the actual logic of the game
18:01 mircea_popescu then there's crystal space, which is a collection of tools including networking and tons of other stuff
18:01 asciilifeform there is one author, chetty?
18:01 mircea_popescu only one credited so far.
18:01 asciilifeform aha ok
18:02 mircea_popescu why, you wanna dig into some C spaghetti ?
18:02 asciilifeform just wondering which other people here commit the sin of programming.
18:02 mircea_popescu i would say it's a safe bet that everyone but me
18:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: digging gratuitous C spaghetti as we speak.
18:02 mircea_popescu and maybe nubbins. he draws.
18:03 mircea_popescu and i guess moiety. she... hm. hey moiety do you code ?
18:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8546 @ 0.00018001 = 1.5384 BTC [-] {3}
18:04 wao-ender dicktricks.blogspot.com
18:05 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, I've read more of your blogs. I'm curious about one thing. Do you have any investor relationships? (On your financial or exchange site, or whatever it is.) Meaning, do you have external investors of any kind?
18:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 211 @ 0.00567497 = 1.1974 BTC [-] {2}
18:06 mircea_popescu yes.
18:06 mircea_popescu ;;google s.mpoe takes strategic investor
18:06 gribble MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/mpex/>; Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/>; Iunie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/06>
18:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00464563 = 1.626 BTC [-] {14}
18:06 mircea_popescu hm what was it called
18:07 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/ there
18:07 ozbot S.MPOE takes strategic investor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:07 mircea_popescu shame on you google.
18:07 mircea_popescu wao-ender what the hell is that
18:08 wao-ender manual!
18:08 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, your style is 100% different from anything I've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction with business or investors. Your post quotes yourself, saying that you would not announce something publically. You post your own IRC conversation that you intend not to be public :)
18:09 mircea_popescu yes, it is.
18:09 ninjashogun publicly*
18:09 mircea_popescu time is the essence there. everything becomes public eventually.
18:09 moiety mircea_popescu: badly, i'm learning
18:10 mircea_popescu moiety what are you learning ? php ?
18:10 ninjashogun is that a 38,625 BTC transaction investing in s.mpoe?
18:10 ninjashogun sorry I don't know how to read "assbot"
18:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07550013 = 0.2265 BTC [-]
18:11 mircea_popescu yes.
18:12 mircea_popescu http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story
18:12 ozbot 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com
18:12 mircea_popescu i wonder what css is then
18:12 ninjashogun well, congratulations
18:12 moiety mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of the contents page of the python book
18:13 asciilifeform XX% click random box when answering survey. news at 11...
18:13 mircea_popescu moiety maybe you're not the sort that learns by books, but work better with examples.
18:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's exactly 10%, which is why i quoted it.
18:13 mircea_popescu "10% of respondents will lie in any study" is the adage of social sciences.
18:13 asciilifeform well, YY% deliberately pick the most perverse answer
18:14 mircea_popescu the fact that the author eschewed the 10% notation (which is like a symbol by now) for 1 in 10 is kind-of telling
18:14 mircea_popescu they know they got nothing
18:14 asciilifeform haha
18:14 moiety mircea_popescu: i think you're right, goes in better to see things working rather than a mass of info for me :)
18:15 ninjashogun moiety, what are you building?
18:15 mircea_popescu so then work it that way. build an exchange
18:15 moiety my kingdom!
18:15 moiety erm just sites just now ninjashogun i think i'll know what to do more, the more i learn XD
18:16 asciilifeform moiety: example - the blockchain-operated www-less exchange discussed last week (?)
18:16 asciilifeform good project for beginner
18:16 asciilifeform (guaranteed not to behave perversely 'under load', no web crap)
18:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so what does she do, import blockchain ?
18:17 ninjashogun Chapter 1) <h1>Hello</h2> Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange
18:17 asciilifeform use conventional bitcoind (and litecoind, or whatever the other side of the trades is)
18:18 mircea_popescu moiety you ever managed to compile bitcoin or any altcoin from source ?
18:18 moiety no i haven't attempted it
18:18 asciilifeform and spew forth 'listtransactions ....' and 'sendrawtransaction ....' etc
18:18 asciilifeform no need for special programming language support.
18:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your project may be outside of what she conveniently approaches.
18:19 asciilifeform easier project, for complete beginner, then
18:19 asciilifeform translate http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/GD.BAS to modern programming language of your choice
18:20 mircea_popescu you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen.
18:20 asciilifeform hah
18:20 asciilifeform what would you suggest - 'hello world' ?
18:20 mircea_popescu who the fuck ever saw basic look so close to lisp anyway
18:20 asciilifeform problems have to be interesting
18:20 asciilifeform or student goes somewhere far away
18:21 moiety i'll try this!
18:21 mircea_popescu well this is true
18:21 mircea_popescu moiety it can possibly be done in javascript i suppose
18:21 ninjashogun asciilifeform, wtf - did you write that basic code?
18:21 asciilifeform nope.
18:22 asciilifeform it is far older than i.
18:22 asciilifeform and was originally fortran.
18:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a wait, this is the source for the markov chain predictor innit
18:22 asciilifeform righto
18:22 ninjashogun okay, I'll bite. What does sp and sk and k1 stand for? I'll assume p1 and p2 are two...points...
18:22 mircea_popescu didn't mike_c translate it to js just to pester me ?
18:23 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, good guess! Congrats.
18:23 asciilifeform the version on my page (http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html) is js
18:23 asciilifeform a very hasty js
18:23 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :)
18:23 mircea_popescu probably cause it's written by perlispers stuck in a basic body
18:24 asciilifeform don't let the capital letters fool you - there is nothing peculiar about the basic
18:24 moiety you just gave me the answer!
18:25 Namworld I need to borrow auroracoins
18:25 ninjashogun don't peek, moiety :)
18:25 mircea_popescu Namworld i don't have any
18:25 asciilifeform from the lulzfarm: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ukraine-national-socialism.htm
18:25 Namworld So freakishly bad
18:25 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/dead-soldier-gets-1-cent-cheque-from-federal-government-1.2559809
18:25 ozbot Dead soldier gets 1-cent cheque from federal government - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton
18:25 mircea_popescu for ich bin nicht ein islandeer
18:25 nubbins` BRUTAL
18:26 ninjashogun no life is worthless :/
18:27 nubbins` also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons
18:27 nubbins` but seriously, imagine
18:27 nubbins` two and a half years after your son kills himself, the government sends him a cheque for a fuckin penny
18:28 mircea_popescu i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then
18:29 ninjashogun “I extend the apologies of … everyone in the government to his mother. And we thank this individual for the service that he gave his country,” he said, "and are saddened by this grave error. The check was never meant to go out. Mrs. Stark, please accept our sincerest apologies - and by all means, keep the penny."
18:29 mircea_popescu lmao they said that ?!
18:29 nubbins` no ;(
18:30 moiety omg insult to injury or what
18:30 nubbins` they don't even make pennies anymore. if you cashed that at a bank, you wouldn't get anything.
18:30 mircea_popescu what if they had sent him 2cent cheque ?
18:30 Namworld the last part wasn't said.
18:30 mircea_popescu hey, here's our 2c
18:30 moiety reminds me of http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10000332/Daughter-takes-fathers-ashes-to-bank-to-prove-he-is-dead.html
18:30 nubbins` if it was 3 they'd round it to 5
18:31 mircea_popescu i threatened my bank's clerk with having her write me one penny cashier checques for a few hundred lei coupla weeks back
18:31 Namworld No, it only becomes acceptable at 5.50$ or higher.
18:31 mircea_popescu she went pale
18:31 Namworld Obviously
18:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24470 @ 0.00082596 = 20.2112 BTC [-]
18:37 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html
18:37 ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus
18:37 mircea_popescu this guy's too good, for srs.
18:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00082711 = 35.4417 BTC [+]
18:37 moiety oh i love this blog. i was on there for ages other day after you linked it mircea_popescu
18:38 mircea_popescu very smart guy.
18:38 mircea_popescu he should have his own school.
18:39 moiety honesty and reality amongst psychiatrists in this manner is rare, love the way he talks
18:39 moiety felt like forwarding several things to doctors from my last hospital
18:39 moiety (where i worked btw!!!!)
18:40 mircea_popescu actually he should probably have his own country.
18:40 mircea_popescu putin is ok, but what if ballas was dictator-general of latvia or something
18:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.)
18:42 mircea_popescu i dunno
18:42 mircea_popescu i read them and feel roughly on par with a good session of reading the torah
18:43 mircea_popescu tho arguably less demanding.
18:44 asciilifeform to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other.
18:44 mircea_popescu lol
18:44 asciilifeform s/ractor/parry
18:44 mircea_popescu who won ?
18:44 asciilifeform http://www.computableminds.com/post/chatbot/eliza/parry/skynet/human-language/natural-language
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18:44 ozbot Eliza and Parry: When the machines talked to each other
18:44 asciilifeform there we go
18:44 mircea_popescu afa\ik it was actually ractor
18:44 mircea_popescu wasn't it the schizzo ?
18:44 asciilifeform parry
18:45 asciilifeform (robo-schizzo)
18:45 asciilifeform eliza (for the uninitiated - robo-shrink)
18:45 mircea_popescu it was ractor tho
18:46 mircea_popescu hm
18:46 mircea_popescu wtf was ractor!
18:46 asciilifeform PARRY: I went to the races.
18:46 asciilifeform ELIZA: Please go on.
18:46 asciilifeform PARRY: Do you know anything about bookies?
18:46 asciilifeform ELIZA: What makes you think I know anything about bookies?
18:46 asciilifeform PARRY: A bookie didn't pay me off once.
18:46 asciilifeform ELIZA: What does that suggest to you?
18:46 asciilifeform PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me
18:46 moiety mircea_popescu: he doesn't need a country, he needs to advise the world: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/everyone_goes_crazy_in_differe.html
18:46 asciilifeform if i recall, ractor was meant to write stories
18:48 mircea_popescu anyway, you're right, it was parry that was the souped up eliza
18:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-]
18:49 mircea_popescu you know we should probably make a decoy chatroom
18:49 mircea_popescu each write a bot
18:49 * asciilifeform blows dust off shelf
18:49 asciilifeform 'Artificial Intelligence and Literary Creativity: Inside the Mind of BRUTUS, a Storytelling Machine', Bringsjord & Ferrucci
18:49 * mircea_popescu is looking to buy bot hosting nao
18:50 asciilifeform good overview of the extant zoo of chatbots and shannonizers
18:50 mircea_popescu i dun think i ever read it
18:50 asciilifeform it's not a famous mega-work
18:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3076 @ 0.00082596 = 2.5407 BTC [-]
18:52 ninjashogun mirceau - could I have a copy of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me.
18:52 mircea_popescu http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry/ btw
18:52 ozbot Index of /afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry
18:52 mircea_popescu so what's wrong with clicking the link ?
18:53 mircea_popescu and why do you spell my name like deprived ?
18:53 * BingoBoingo wonder how long it takes to catch with ninjashogun on that BingoBoingo did not merely link the linking article, but wrote it
18:54 kakobrekla ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end.
18:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/9Ef7F07z
18:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00479308 = 0.1246 BTC [-] {2}
18:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: poor fellow is a bit of slow learner
18:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Most people are without a gasenwagen
18:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00477926 = 0.3871 BTC [-] {4}
18:57 ninjashogun asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation.
18:58 ninjashogun asciilifeform, I will say that I am glad I was on guard with you. Anyone who builds anything has to manage building it with talking about it.
18:58 benkay` ninjashogun: there's no minimum IQ required for participating on the internet.
18:58 benkay` :)
18:58 mircea_popescu the philosophical problem would be that privacy is impossible without identity
18:58 ninjashogun hi, benkay`
18:58 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, could you elaborate?
18:58 asciilifeform spammer wants to talk to one chump at a time
18:59 asciilifeform i get it
18:59 benkay` asciilifeform your chumpatron essay came up at lunch today
18:59 asciilifeform for all he knows, user with handle 'asciilifeform' is not alive at all, but only a bot that spews all PM'd crap out into #bitcoin-assets an hour later.
18:59 mircea_popescu ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have.
19:00 benkay` general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole"
19:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You mean you don't run that bot on your nick?
19:00 benkay` ninjashogun weren't you just derping about not having time to derp in irc?
19:00 mircea_popescu benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love.
19:01 benkay` ya it's a pretty strong lure
19:01 benkay` anyways ninjashogun if you want privacy on IRC this is what you do
19:01 ninjashogun benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets.
19:01 ninjashogun For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do.
19:01 benkay` ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation
19:01 kakobrekla what did you learn about bitcoin-assets ?
19:02 ninjashogun Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting.
19:02 benkay` of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc.
19:02 mircea_popescu you're nuts yo.
19:02 mircea_popescu bootstrapping happened in 2011
19:02 mircea_popescu i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him.
19:02 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here.
19:03 ninjashogun yes, I agree with you. I was just surprised to learn this!
19:03 ninjashogun It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal.
19:03 mircea_popescu i guess you didn't read BingoBoingo's other article
19:03 ninjashogun I haven't finished reading it, no.
19:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00082413 = 4.3267 BTC [-]
19:04 mircea_popescu anyway. the arduous task of reading -assets logs / lurking is at least offset by it being... interesting.
19:04 ninjashogun I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"
19:04 mircea_popescu perhaps.
19:04 BingoBoingo http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247/romanian-bitcoin-entrepreneur-steps-in-to-pay-openbsd-shortfall
19:04 ozbot Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot
19:04 ninjashogun yes, my valuation was informed by lurking in or being in other similar channels on IRC
19:05 ninjashogun well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'.
19:05 mircea_popescu perhaps not as similar as all that.
19:05 BingoBoingo Which links to http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/
19:05 ninjashogun No, very different.
19:06 mircea_popescu the great advantage of the irc is its splendid flexibility.
19:06 mircea_popescu like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be.
19:06 ninjashogun so, thanks for saving openbsd, mircea_popescu.
19:07 mircea_popescu nao BingoBoingo can run his vax moar.
19:08 BingoBoingo Have to keep the Herd of Vaxen healthy
19:08 ninjashogun I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian)
19:08 mircea_popescu i do.
19:08 ninjashogun just saw romance-language like words that I didn't understand on your blog. (I do speak some French, Italian, Spanish so knew it wasn't those)
19:09 Duffer1 MP's library is mostly rosetta stone modules :P
19:09 ninjashogun mirceau, as a Romanian do you hate Hungarians?
19:09 mircea_popescu i don't hate them as a brazilian either.
19:09 ninjashogun :)
19:10 ninjashogun I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others.
19:10 mircea_popescu it's greatly exaggerated for narrative effect.
19:10 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, are you one of the richest Romanians by valuation (net worth) or were you around peak BTC price?
19:10 mircea_popescu i have no idea. probably.
19:11 ninjashogun it's pretty interesting
19:11 ninjashogun and did you stay there or emigrate?
19:11 mircea_popescu i never emigrated. i travelled plenty tho.
19:11 benkay` .bait
19:11 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r63ftbJ91qa7af5o1_1280.jpg
19:11 benkay` score
19:11 benkay` .bait
19:11 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2rhrxyTeQ1qj4t1so1_500.jpg
19:12 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m726c01Mfu1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
19:12 benkay` the left, for sure.
19:12 ninjashogun benkay`, the guy in the biker shorts for you, eh? :)
19:12 benkay` really gets me going
19:13 benkay` girl's wearing too much.
19:13 benkay` er
19:13 benkay` not wearing enough
19:13 ninjashogun dear God just closing tabs and saw the slashdot link. What have they done?? http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197077
19:13 benkay` THAT HEADBAND MAN ITS GOTTA GO
19:13 ninjashogun what have they done to that poor site
19:14 mircea_popescu web 2.0
19:14 mircea_popescu it's a std.
19:14 ninjashogun I guess I'm one of the 1 in 10 Americans now.
19:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00082403 = 4.9442 BTC [-] {2}
19:15 mircea_popescu -assets : the gift that keeps on giving
19:15 mircea_popescu please clap.
19:15 BingoBoingo Nothing but STDs here
19:16 mircea_popescu benkay` fucking people. they run into naked girl, their interaction with her is subsumed to futzing with the phone.
19:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
19:17 asciilifeform everyone remembers baron munchausen's horse?
19:17 mircea_popescu bucephalus ?
19:17 asciilifeform nah that's alex
19:17 mircea_popescu waitwat
19:18 asciilifeform the one that drinks
19:18 benkay` mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes
19:18 asciilifeform http://homepage.ntlworld.com/forgottenfutures/munch/cruik4.gif
19:18 benkay` "men"
19:18 asciilifeform horse gets chopped in half and doesn't notice
19:18 asciilifeform keeps drinking
19:18 benkay` also you're probably standing right there taking that photo and shit timisoara's gotta be small enough that everyone knows not to fuck with MP's wimminz
19:18 BingoBoingo moiety: You know about IRC nao... ANd you made yet another chat site?
19:19 mircea_popescu benkay` that was in plattdeutschland
19:19 benkay` still, here you are walking around with this woman in public, taking her photo and photos of everyone's reactions
19:20 mircea_popescu cause i deeply care about everyone ?
19:20 benkay` just out of manners i think i keep walking
19:20 benkay` whatever trip you two are on i am obviously not invited
19:20 mircea_popescu well either keep walking or else, you know, smile at her, do with the eye, tweak her nipple, something.
19:20 benkay` most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip...
19:21 mircea_popescu the oft retold story of me talking the bitches out to frolic in the snow, people with dogs going all stiff, carefully looking away. the dogs, kinda curious hmm... what is with these humans here ? the masters, completely nuts.
19:21 mircea_popescu dog 1 : human 0 fcol.
19:21 KRS-One http://imgur.com/gallery/auQwvPd
19:21 ozbot karpeles finger - Imgur
19:21 KRS-One hah
19:22 benkay` people man
19:22 benkay` they know not to get involved
19:22 benkay` i'm an idiot though
19:22 benkay` look at me, i got involved with bitcoin
19:22 mircea_popescu dat guy looks so french KRS-One
19:22 benkay` FML
19:22 mircea_popescu how's your lisp-of-everything coming along ?
19:22 asciilifeform benkay`: and what about chumpatron
19:22 asciilifeform i think i missed something earlier
19:22 benkay` it comes
19:23 benkay` haltingly
19:23 benkay` ragel requires some oop boilerplate
19:23 benkay` so delegates, implementing interfaces, the whole java shitshow
19:23 benkay` advice of guy looking over my shoulder was to just bite the bullet and do the parser in java
19:24 benkay` would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month
19:24 * mircea_popescu hates java
19:24 benkay` dat cube farm stench.
19:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00082549 = 21.7929 BTC [+] {3}
19:25 benkay` asciilifeform: it came up in the context of "things this firm is not getting involved in"
19:25 mircea_popescu tbh : i don't actually hate java,
19:25 mircea_popescu it's whatever, c flavoured.
19:25 mircea_popescu i hate the java machine bullcrap
19:26 benkay` i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang
19:26 benkay` i'm just frustrated by cognitive overhead and limited personal bandwidth/.
19:27 moiety BingoBoingo: there's a difference. you don't always get dinner at the restaurant you work in
19:27 BingoBoingo moiety: Still Doge?
19:28 moiety it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community.
19:28 moiety like the webcam snaps etc.. what bitcoiners are gonna use that
19:29 BingoBoingo True
19:29 mircea_popescu so moiety is basically discordian and unconformant in absolutely every which way.
19:30 wao-ender lul http://www.romainbrasier.fr/404
19:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00082725 = 15.9659 BTC [+] {2}
19:30 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I see it as moiety As seen the Doge and simply found an opportunity for an honest chumpatron.
19:30 mircea_popescu ahahahaha great
19:31 asciilifeform 'honest chumpatron' - like 'pleasurable woodchipper' ?
19:31 asciilifeform or what
19:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I imagine an honest chumpatron is kind of like an idiot reserve.
19:32 mircea_popescu wao-ender did yo uever finish mayhem ?
19:32 moiety mircea_popescu: in the sense that i can make anything work regardless of personal stance :) bingo's right and you guys allow me to derp around here for some sanity... amazingly
19:32 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:33 mircea_popescu moiety just make sure you document well what you do
19:33 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo asciilifeform actually, a university (in the classical, functional and ideal sense, no relation to us/uk "college") is the prototype of the honest chumpatron
19:33 mircea_popescu quite respectable, too.
19:34 asciilifeform might be nice to see this one explained
19:34 moiety document?
19:35 mircea_popescu moiety yes, write down what you do. you're the only one doing most of it.
19:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok, ever read villon ?
19:36 moiety yeah, you're right, i really should.
19:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sadly, no, only here: http://www.ark.ru/ins/lyrics/a/molitva_okudzhava.html
19:37 wao-ender dude, totally want one http://www.skyboximaging.com/products/access
19:37 mircea_popescu you really should, it's quite excellent literature. unlike french cheese, this is passable, and why we tolerate them in europe.
19:38 mircea_popescu but that aside, you familiar with the *medieval* notion that a healthy young boy should learn a trade, and only phtisic good for nothing losers go to university ?
19:38 asciilifeform oh yes.
19:38 mircea_popescu as immortalised say in the romanian saying, "logofete brinza-n cuiu, lapte acru-n calimari, chiu si vai prin buzunari"
19:38 mircea_popescu ok, so going to the university has a cost.
19:39 mircea_popescu yet people submitted to it.
19:39 mircea_popescu willingly.
19:39 asciilifeform not that different from monasticism
19:39 mircea_popescu for the pleasure and enjoyment of... the company. OF OTHER LOSERS LIKE THEM
19:39 asciilifeform (no prizes for guessing why)
19:39 mircea_popescu what, pray tell, is a chumpatron ?
19:39 asciilifeform i sorta tried to explain this in a post
19:40 mircea_popescu i mean there's no requirement that the chump don't enjoy it
19:40 asciilifeform correct
19:40 mircea_popescu or that he regrets the ride after havin been taken for it
19:40 mircea_popescu all that;s require\d is that he can never go back
19:40 asciilifeform casino is an incontrovertible chumpatron
19:40 mircea_popescu which is to say, an entalpic process
19:40 asciilifeform hence 'fuel' analogy
19:41 mircea_popescu indeed.
19:41 mircea_popescu perhaps unobvious in the fuel analogy, because the inadvertent reader will think in terms of power
19:41 mircea_popescu rather than in proper thermodynamics notions of reversibility
19:41 asciilifeform thermodynamics notions of reversibility << this was the exact intended meaning.
19:42 mircea_popescu so then we understand each other.
19:44 asciilifeform i did specify that in a chumpatron, vs. an ordinary bioreactor, the fuel /wants/ to burn
19:44 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, caught your Romanian sentence. Google Translate offers, "scribes cheese-n cuiu, sour milk-n inkwell, chiu and valleys pockets ""
19:44 ninjashogun :/
19:45 wao-ender wickeeed https://citizenlab.org/2014/02/hacking-teams-us-nexus/
19:45 mircea_popescu logofat = youthful scribe used to take down dictation of his lord and sometimes a little cock.
19:45 mircea_popescu basically, a congressional aide.
19:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what, and freshmen don't want to burn ?
19:46 asciilifeform surely.
19:46 asciilifeform uni is certainly a chumpatron.
19:46 asciilifeform as is any army, etc
19:47 mircea_popescu army perhaps not.
19:47 mircea_popescu it actually pays out more than it takes in.
19:47 mircea_popescu it used to be, sure. but now it's more like a welfare programme
19:47 asciilifeform true, there are '+EV' armies
19:47 asciilifeform depends on time/place
19:48 mircea_popescu there used to be. herodotus or who observed that it seems ignoble and unworthy of a man to plow the field
19:48 mircea_popescu when so much wealth can be acquired the proper way
19:49 mircea_popescu meanwhile the us has spent more on syria than syria'd cost to buy, whole.
19:49 moiety i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all
19:49 asciilifeform for those who have not read classics, but like pulp sf, this is featured in 'thrones' - 'we do not sow (TM)'
19:50 mircea_popescu moiety i think he was talking about doge
19:51 moiety oh, i hope so. i know he is allergic
19:52 mircea_popescu "magine a large corporate machine mobilized to get you to buy something you don't need at a tremendously inflated cost, complete with advertising, marketing, and branding that says you're not hip if you don't have one, but when you get one you discover it's of poor quality and obsolete in ten months. That's a BA.
19:52 mircea_popescu When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr
19:52 mircea_popescu elevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer... and spouse
19:52 mircea_popescu of a capitalist."
19:52 mircea_popescu this is absurdly generous.
19:52 mircea_popescu slavegirl. not spouse.
19:52 mircea_popescu you don't marry english grads.
19:55 asciilifeform where was this
19:56 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
19:56 ozbot The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1
19:56 asciilifeform aha
19:56 mircea_popescu the guy has some very specific sexual hangups. it's all centered on rape, can't see violence, can't see submission, he's impacted.
19:56 asciilifeform Butugychag.
19:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10152 @ 0.00082729 = 8.3986 BTC [+] {2}
19:56 KRS-One mircea_popescu I hated Java too, but then once I fully understood it, I was shocked by what it can do and how it works.
19:57 mircea_popescu KRS-One i know people who have to maintain it that are shocked on a weekly basis by both what it can do and how it works.
19:57 asciilifeform lol
19:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5169 @ 0.00082392 = 4.2588 BTC [-]
19:58 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, did you develop the first version of your site yourself? (by hand)
19:58 KRS-One I always thought it was slow, but that isn't really the case. If it runs slow its because someone didn't know what they are doing.
19:58 mircea_popescu i don't code, really.
19:58 mircea_popescu KRS-One i always thought it's insecure, and insecurable
19:58 mircea_popescu many things are not. basic, for instance, is eminently secure.
19:58 KRS-One tbh i dont know much about securing java..that could be.
19:58 ninjashogun so how did you produce the first version of your site? (the very first version, demosntration)
19:59 ninjashogun demonstration*
19:59 KRS-One afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory.
19:59 mircea_popescu ninjashogun i just did what i always do, told people what to do.
19:59 ninjashogun oh, okay
19:59 mircea_popescu i'm one of those.
19:59 ninjashogun I thought you did understand code quite well though
19:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00574998 = 0.115 BTC [+]
20:00 mircea_popescu well, that i don't. however, i do understand quite well when i don't understand something.
20:00 mircea_popescu turns out this is actually much more useful.
20:02 ninjashogun yes
20:02 ninjashogun What busienss were you in before this site?
20:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082759 = 7.7793 BTC [+]
20:03 mircea_popescu you know... it's not a site.
20:03 ninjashogun company then
20:05 mircea_popescu http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/openbsd/
20:05 ozbot Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
20:05 mircea_popescu there, klint has the scoop
20:05 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on
20:05 asciilifeform interesting that, afaik, not one one those pieces breathed a word about why openbsd
20:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how would they know.
20:06 asciilifeform could, well... ask someone.
20:06 mircea_popescu when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened.
20:06 kakobrekla http://i.imgur.com/zPtT2.jpg
20:06 mircea_popescu game of power.
20:06 benkay` klint's a rad dude
20:06 mircea_popescu kakobrekla now write a pow based on that
20:07 mircea_popescu kakokoin
20:07 benkay` your name came up over beers last night, mircea_popescu
20:07 kakobrekla lol
20:07 mircea_popescu benkay` mpilf ?
20:07 ninjashogun your name also came up in private chat with BingoBoingo oh about half an hour ago
20:07 benkay` can't imagine that means what the top suggestion from my suggestion machine suggests it means
20:07 moiety that made me dizzy kakobrekla
20:08 kakobrekla free drugs.
20:08 benkay` well klint wanted to know what the deal with this crazy romanian was
20:08 benkay` i said get on irc and say hi
20:08 benkay` ('crazy romanian' are my words)
20:08 kakobrekla (he used 'fucked in the head')
20:08 kakobrekla :D
20:09 mircea_popescu hey guise, you really think i'm... eh nevermind
20:09 kakobrekla lmao
20:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.58046764 = 19.7359 BTC [-] {7}
20:10 ninjashogun mircea_popescu, my opinion of you changed a lot when I saw what you built by the way.
20:10 ninjashogun you did strike me a kind of crazy but now fuck it.
20:10 ninjashogun Not just due to the valuation either.
20:10 ninjashogun more due to the fact that you have any investors at all lol
20:10 Jere_Jones mircea_popescu Why openbsd?
20:10 mircea_popescu hopefully not many more people find out
20:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00082409 = 13.9683 BTC [-] {2}
20:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.575475 = 2.3019 BTC [-] {4}
20:11 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones cause it keeps the nsa busy while we fuck it raw.
20:11 benkay` mircea_popescu "not in the head!"
20:11 mircea_popescu no, i guess not in the head.
20:11 kakobrekla :D
20:12 moiety careful kakobrekla , soon i'll be needing bigger and more dizzying imgurs for a bigger hit
20:12 kakobrekla lol moiety , those are not free!
20:12 mircea_popescu imgur pimpin
20:13 * moiety goes to sell her tv
20:13 kakobrekla but you need the tv for it to project the drugs
20:13 kakobrekla jeez.
20:13 moiety omg what am i thinking
20:13 moiety sorry im too wasted fromthe last imgur
20:14 kakobrekla you should be fine in an hour.
20:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00082759 = 4.3035 BTC [+]
20:14 moiety lolol
20:18 decimation ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509819
20:20 decimation asciilifeform I quite enjoy your translations of Herr Tepes
20:20 asciilifeform there's a better one somewhere
20:21 mircea_popescu ya but it's probably not in the wot.
20:21 ninjashogun decimation, why did you quote that?
20:21 decimation the one with the two monks well delinates orthodox Christianity from rapid puritanism
20:22 decimation I thought that there was a parallel there
20:22 decimation one who acknowledges authority but does not acknowledge its wisdom
20:22 ninjashogun so I didn't realize how much money is sloshing around the bitcoin ecosystem. Question: do you think with WoT this ecosystem (e.g. this channel, etc) could substitute for the actual VC market completely?
20:22 ninjashogun e.g. rather than raise $250K via an angel investor, or $4M in a Series A, that both of these could be done 100% via the bitcoin ecosystem?
20:23 ninjashogun including IRC here?
20:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7233 @ 0.0008279 = 5.9882 BTC [+] {2}
20:24 mircea_popescu it already does substitute for it completely.
20:24 copumpkin anyone want to start a petition to mircea_popescu to get the word popescuity added back to mpex official messages?
20:24 mircea_popescu just, the vc circus hasn't yet found out, because we don't finance the circus.
20:25 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2013#427602
20:25 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
20:25 mircea_popescu decimation is like the lord of the quotes tonight
20:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00082549 = 11.0616 BTC [-] {2}
20:26 decimation I find that after reading an -assets log my mind returns to the original ideas contained therein
20:27 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/mind-your-step/ too
20:27 ozbot Mind your step. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.11069871 = 0.6642 BTC [+] {2}
20:28 ThickAsThieves The Washington DC City Council voted today to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized.
20:28 mircea_popescu decimation eventually someone will write the grand book of everything, just distil all the 500k lines here into a castle of words.
20:28 ThickAsThieves $25 fine now
20:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.11069871 = 0.4428 BTC [+]
20:28 mircea_popescu wow
20:28 mircea_popescu they are going to lose fucking control of that place.
20:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'legalization' thing is a sham. it's quite like, if drinking a cup of coffee were punished with $25 fine, but anyone found with a sack of coffee beans were impaled
20:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem is this : they have 6-7-8 mn people packed like sardines in there, like 5k/km2
20:30 mircea_popescu easements like this are very fucking dangerous
20:30 mircea_popescu as per tocqueville's observation, it's not opressed peasants like the german serfs that rebel
20:30 asciilifeform the sardines are already doped to the gills
20:30 mircea_popescu it's relatively easy living french peasants that get an easement, which suddenly makes all restraints unbearable
20:31 asciilifeform ahahaha
20:31 asciilifeform yes
20:31 mircea_popescu so... another couple of these, they're going to end up with hostage senate.
20:32 decimation now that colorado has 'decriminalized' the other states are going to race to the bottom
20:32 asciilifeform the bastards know this, and so all the easements are sham
20:33 mircea_popescu if there's going to be a soyuz of the soviets organised within our lifetimes over there i'll possibly not be able to carry on for laughter
20:33 asciilifeform all this is is an attempt to tax an already plentiful and omnipresent supply of mj
20:33 ThickAsThieves seems harmless to them, whatre a buncha potheads gonna do
20:33 decimation actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw
20:33 ThickAsThieves but potheads also love bitcoin
20:33 mircea_popescu decimation this only seems perfect. it's in fact disastrous.
20:33 mircea_popescu like you know, the state of being locked into the cake freezer seems ideal to the 9yo
20:33 mircea_popescu till the air runs out
20:33 ThickAsThieves <decimation> actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw /// too true
20:34 ThickAsThieves how the fuck *is* someone supposed to be responsible to know what is legal when the line is nothing but blur
20:34 mircea_popescu just buy a judge
20:34 mircea_popescu what was the expression, "roof" ?
20:35 ThickAsThieves the roof is back, carry on
20:35 decimation "trustfullness" is what civilization is built upon
20:35 decimation once everyone assumes that everything is a scam or chumpatron, it's going to be hard to get anything done
20:35 ThickAsThieves like now?
20:35 asciilifeform decimation: not much risk of this
20:36 ThickAsThieves except right now everyone thinks all the scams are truths and truths are scams
20:36 ThickAsThieves it's painful
20:36 mircea_popescu the book of doom after tat
20:37 ThickAsThieves ?
20:37 ThickAsThieves i think about how even the concept of getting pulled over while driving is usually absurd
20:38 mircea_popescu "and then i saw a great vision of everyone's head being screwed in backwards
20:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00083001 = 3.071 BTC [+]
20:38 mircea_popescu and the clowds did billow smoke"
20:38 ThickAsThieves 5 miles of a speed limit is okay, 10, no way, but it's all just offending a street sign, not necessarily even endangering anyone
20:38 decimation http://www.academic-capital.net/2013/12/trust-of-each-other-is-declining.html
20:38 ozbot Academic-Capital: Trust of Each Other is Declining According to a General Social Survey
20:39 decimation "A poll by the General Social Survey indicates that about 1/3 of Americans trust each other. This is a big step downward from a 1972 survey that indicated that about ½ of Americans trust each other. Around 2/3rds say that ?you can?t be too careful? dealing with others. "
20:39 ThickAsThieves there's a stretch of highway about 2 miles long in FL, where the limit changes 16 times
20:39 ThickAsThieves wtf
20:39 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well, that reasoning doesn't work in a town (because if you go fast enough whether you run into someone or not becomes a matter of luck), but it does make sense of highways
20:39 mircea_popescu which is why sane people (ie, germans) don't have upper limits,
20:39 mircea_popescu they have lower limits
20:40 decimation the speed people actually travel on a road has to do with its design, not the arbitrary (often retarded) regulatory limits
20:40 asciilifeform in the u.s. speed limits are a bizarrely labour-intensive kind of tax.
20:41 ThickAsThieves agreed, and i think an officer should be human enough to interpret whether someone is actually endangering a situation, over filling a quota for tickets
20:41 decimation officer is in the bureaucrat chumpatron
20:41 asciilifeform alternative is the russian (and most of the world) system, where you can pay him to go away
20:41 ThickAsThieves (no i was not pulled over anytime recently)
20:42 ThickAsThieves my wife thinks a drive too slow, except when i don't see nonsensical speed signs
20:42 ThickAsThieves i*
20:42 mircea_popescu i remember a time when officer was a superlative menschkeit thing
20:42 ThickAsThieves i think he rides every car''s ass, but generally is a better driver
20:42 mircea_popescu finding an asshole officer was like finding a virgin in paris
20:43 ThickAsThieves she
20:44 ThickAsThieves "You are free to choose to participate in the poll or not. Nobody is begging you for your money and I wish we could avoid asking for anyone's money at all to avoid dealing with investors such as yourself. Hopefully if we succeed in listing IPO we will not have you on our investor's list."
20:44 ThickAsThieves guffaw! scammers!
20:44 decimation an actual police force would allocate actual discretion to its officers; chumpatron police have no authority and therefore treat others as the spoiled children they are
20:46 mircea_popescu decimation explai nhow this actual police force works.
20:46 asciilifeform rome -> 'auctoritas', rus. -> 'авторитет', english -> ??????
20:46 mircea_popescu suppose you're advising me as emperor of jormania in the making of my imperial police force.
20:46 asciilifeform because it sure as fuck ain't 'authority'
20:46 asciilifeform what's the word - anyone?
20:46 mircea_popescu automobile
20:47 decimation the master hires a policeman, the policeman acts on the authority of the master
20:47 mircea_popescu well say the population is 1mn.
20:47 mircea_popescu i hire one policeman ?
20:47 decimation if the policeman acts responisbly, he is rewarded, otherwise, punished
20:47 ninjashogun good night
20:47 mircea_popescu wait wait.
20:47 mircea_popescu how do i hire him ?
20:47 decimation certainly not from a 'police academy'
20:47 asciilifeform the policeman acts on the authority of the master << that's 'potentas' not 'auctoritas' !
20:48 mircea_popescu potestas ?
20:48 asciilifeform ah yea
20:48 BingoBoingo I imagine for a proper police force for Jormania, you would at least need two castes working for you. Police Officers and then the lowly police man.
20:48 mircea_popescu well, how do i get these then ?
20:49 BingoBoingo For the police officer you search for people who can maintain their own harem.
20:49 decimation I guess the traditional method is from the children of the local nobles
20:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00082379 = 17.5879 BTC [-] {3}
20:49 mircea_popescu so then suppose one day a police officer's daughter falls in love with a lowly police grunt.
20:49 BingoBoingo For the policeman you take the local schlubs and have the officers discipline them
20:49 mircea_popescu because - horrible dictu - he reminds her a lot of her father.
20:50 BingoBoingo I imagine in that case the officer get dismissed
20:50 mircea_popescu you may not readily appreciate the immensity of this problem.
20:50 BingoBoingo Loses their commision
20:50 ThickAsThieves how about you have simple laws that simple men can enforce
20:50 ThickAsThieves anything too complicated to be enforced cannot be law
20:50 mircea_popescu if the slut is allowed free rein, you have just destroyed the separation.
20:50 mircea_popescu if the slut is not allowed free reign, civil war is unavoidable.
20:51 BingoBoingo The slut's free reign comes at cost to the father.
20:51 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so what do you do when you're invaded by a society which is more complicated ? pray ?
20:51 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo father is dead.
20:51 mircea_popescu he doesn't carry weight in this discussion
20:51 ThickAsThieves not sure what you mean
20:51 ThickAsThieves if yer invaded you fight
20:51 ThickAsThieves if you lose
20:51 ThickAsThieves new rules
20:51 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i mean this : that your approach imposes a limit on the complexity of relationships in your society
20:51 mircea_popescu which in turn limits overal complexity in your system
20:51 ThickAsThieves the limit is reality
20:51 mircea_popescu a more complex system could be conceived, and even if it'd work "worse
20:52 ThickAsThieves if it cant be enforced
20:52 mircea_popescu itd still fuck you i nthe field.
20:52 ThickAsThieves how can it be law
20:52 mircea_popescu as it is now.
20:52 ThickAsThieves the curation is in the lawmaking
20:52 mircea_popescu somalia has very simple laws.
20:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00483292 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {3}
20:52 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Grunt has to challenge an officer's fitness and take their place http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KlingonPromotion
20:52 asciilifeform Obligatory:
20:52 asciilifeform http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm
20:52 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo perhaps. what if he doesn't ?
20:53 ThickAsThieves i'm thinking out loud here, neve rput much thought into this topic
20:53 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Death by exile?
20:53 ThickAsThieves other than to observe when law goes absurd
20:53 mircea_popescu civil war.
20:53 ThickAsThieves like a hippocratic oath
20:54 ThickAsThieves an officer's job is to help
20:54 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you resolve nothing with this bandaid.
20:54 ThickAsThieves if they are helping no one
20:54 mircea_popescu the tension is still there, you merely force people into hypocrisy
20:54 mircea_popescu sooner or later it will blow
20:54 ThickAsThieves why iis the law beig enforced
20:54 ThickAsThieves like a highway stop for 10mph too fast
20:54 mircea_popescu the guy can't evaluate if you were in fact harming no-one
20:55 mircea_popescu that's why he has the law : to not have to do qm
20:55 ThickAsThieves can he evaluate that i was?
20:55 mircea_popescu that you WEREN'T
20:55 mircea_popescu that's your verb
20:55 ThickAsThieves hehe
20:55 ThickAsThieves wasnt
20:55 mircea_popescu well ya
20:56 decimation mircea, you would give the Devil the benefit of law?
20:56 ThickAsThieves so basically you can't win
20:56 mircea_popescu depends.
20:56 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not for your definition of "Win" i'm affraid.
20:56 ThickAsThieves i guess the core of this, is i just want everyone to be more intelligent and logical
20:57 mircea_popescu glwt
20:57 ThickAsThieves it'd echo thru all things
20:57 mircea_popescu i want all chicks to be taller.
20:57 ThickAsThieves i can accept harmony isnt possible
20:57 ThickAsThieves but we can certainly do better
20:57 mircea_popescu it's not a matter of harmony
20:57 mircea_popescu it's a matter of "let everything be better"
20:57 mircea_popescu well... fuck. why didn't i thinl of that.
20:59 ThickAsThieves to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable?
21:00 decimation why is your joy their problem?
21:00 ThickAsThieves see what i mean
21:00 ThickAsThieves ;)
21:00 decimation hehe
21:00 asciilifeform ok time for musical interlude.
21:01 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i came to romania after all.
21:01 mircea_popescu "So start with an interesting hypothetical: does everybody need to work anymore? I understand work from an ethical/character perspective, this is not here my point. Since we no longer need e.g. manufacturing jobs-- cheaper elsewhere or with robots-- since those labor costs have evaporated, could that surplus go towards paying people simply to stay out of trouble? Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where,
21:01 mircea_popescu say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. the price of food stamps. Other correct responses would
21:01 mircea_popescu be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit."
21:01 asciilifeform russian fellow by the name of D. Starostin did 5 yrs. in a new york prison for attempted murder
21:01 asciilifeform wrote a book.
21:01 asciilifeform 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot'
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21:01 asciilifeform had a spiffy quote in there
21:01 mircea_popescu not the magnetohydrodynamics guy ?
21:01 mircea_popescu aok
21:01 asciilifeform 'Американец не считает, что человек в форме — бандит, с которым нужно договариваться. Он считает, что это робот, которого нужно бояться. Американские правоохранительные органы способны, искусно нажимая на клавиши многочисленн
21:01 asciilifeform ых законов и предписаний, «оформить» самый незначительный проступок как чудовищное деяние. Фэбээровцам не нужно было избивать Монику Левински или подбрасывать ей в сумочку патроны и героин. Дача ложных показаний — преступле
21:01 asciilifeform ние, воспринимаемое в России как мелочь, — в Соединенных Штатах действительно способна повлечь за собой 26 лет тюрьмы. Тот факт, что речь, по сути дела, шла о молодой девушке, не желавшей признать свою любовную связь с женатым му
21:02 asciilifeform жчиной, в США никого бы не волновал. Принцип машины означает: сделал — получи. Машина неумолима и неподкупна.'
21:02 asciilifeform translation roughly below:
21:02 ThickAsThieves moving to Romania falling on which side of things mp?
21:02 ThickAsThieves people who do whatever the fuck makes sense to them?
21:03 ThickAsThieves i'm not too familiar with the people
21:03 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no, just, tards.
21:03 ThickAsThieves ah
21:04 ThickAsThieves "I just called Mt Gox asking for my bitcoins..here the recording"
21:04 ThickAsThieves http://www.mtsushi.com/
21:04 ozbot MtSushi
21:05 asciilifeform 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition.
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21:05 asciilifeform The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
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21:05 ThickAsThieves "i cant say anything more than on the website"
21:05 asciilifeform (http://flibusta.net/b/247422/read for the linguistically non-challenged)
21:05 asciilifeform lovely illustrations, for those who are.
21:06 mircea_popescu honestly i don't see it.
21:06 mircea_popescu i mean, this is oft repeated as a representation of fact,
21:07 mircea_popescu but irl i know of no system more corrupt than reagan's us
21:07 mircea_popescu except of course each subsequent one.
21:07 asciilifeform it's arranged a bit differently.
21:07 asciilifeform you have to buy them in bulk.
21:07 mircea_popescu but you have acces to unlimited credit.
21:07 asciilifeform which is why there isn't really a market
21:07 asciilifeform in the usual sense
21:07 mircea_popescu so then...
21:08 ThickAsThieves i think some people don;t realize corruption has a broader definition than "paid off"
21:08 asciilifeform more like a soviet nomenklatura's grocery store
21:08 mircea_popescu basically the guy spent five years on his cot trying to avoid the realisation that he was a fucking idiot
21:08 mircea_popescu you don't pee on the mains, you plug stuff in.
21:08 asciilifeform nope. chronicle details the fact dawning on him.
21:09 mircea_popescu a so good then
21:09 asciilifeform quoted tidbit was about the futility of simply offering a cop benjamins on the spot to send him off
21:09 Duffer1 just searched the church in stick of truth
21:09 Duffer1 found 'boy sized leash'
21:09 decimation as you wrote ascii, the chumps grind and chirp as they go through the machine
21:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the same woman that got punished for failing to admit her sluttery
21:10 mircea_popescu is also legally protected should she wish to go topless parading by the barracks
21:11 ThickAsThieves burn your bra, but don't touch that flag
21:12 mircea_popescu alternatively, "in briar patch, foot hurt ; in forest, head hurt" said the mongoloid.
21:12 mircea_popescu perhaps it doesn't have as much to do with the environment as one'd think
21:12 ThickAsThieves lol twitter is advertising a prospectus to me
21:13 moiety i've been up for two days, im going to bed now, night all :)
21:13 ThickAsThieves Fantex Brokerage Service
21:13 ThickAsThieves nite
21:13 ThickAsThieves Check out the Fantex Vernon Davis IPO on http://fntx.co/OGu8iV pic.twitter.com/eFSyHooy8a
21:13 ThickAsThieves lol
21:14 mircea_popescu i have no idea how fucktarded they have to be to advertise ipos on twitter.
21:14 mircea_popescu i mean a) it clearly labels you as a scammer, as only they do it ; b) it can't possibly give roi, even as a scammer ; c) srsly.
21:15 ThickAsThieves twitter is reduced to being on the ActiveMining board
21:15 decimation maybe they can monetize retweets
21:20 ThickAsThieves http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/04/285887838/teen-sues-parents-claiming-they-owe-her-money-for-college
21:20 ozbot Teen Sues Parents, Claiming They Owe Her Money For College : The Two-Way : NPR
21:21 ThickAsThieves Bogaard also "noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question," reports CBS 2 TV: "one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry."
21:21 asciilifeform log.*assets has borked utf8!
21:21 asciilifeform shame.
21:22 ThickAsThieves i have a new slogan for kako's brand building
21:22 ThickAsThieves Superservitude with an attitude.
21:22 mircea_popescu caning eh ?
21:23 asciilifeform doktor prescribes - gasenwagen.
21:24 mircea_popescu nah
21:24 mircea_popescu cheerleaders should be beaten not killed.
21:24 mircea_popescu you can gas her mom if you absolutely must drakulize
21:28 kakobrekla hrm that used to work.
21:29 kakobrekla it never ends with this log, it ell you.
21:30 ThickAsThieves "You a female; I'm a dude. I'm not learning nothing from you. I just want to see you. So whatever you're talking about, I probably don't really care. I wanna just look at you."
21:30 benkay` curse of the web, kakobrekla
21:30 ThickAsThieves re: why there are no female rappers
21:30 asciilifeform http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/anatomy-of-a-fusion-press-release/
21:30 ozbot Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science
21:30 asciilifeform 'A NIF whistleblower, Lee Scott Hall, was brutally stabbed to death in 1999. Hall was one of the NIF designers. I didn’t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn’t into any shady business, and by all accounts was a straight shooter and a decent guy. This … really looks like a man was stabbed to death for pointing out that NIF couldn’t work (or that the director didn’t have a Ph.D.)
21:30 asciilifeform . Sure, nobody knows who killed him, but this is at least as shady as anything I’ve heard of happening in Russia. This sort of thing has happened quite a few times to whistleblowers at the Department of Energy.'
21:31 benkay` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497289.0;all
21:31 ozbot Peter R's theory on the collapse of MtGox and its effect on the price of bitcoin
21:33 kakobrekla Х хЦ цЧ чШ шЩ щЪ ъЫ ыЬ ьЭ эЮ юЯ я
21:33 mircea_popescu " I didn’t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn’t into any shady business" << dat fiat wot.
21:33 kakobrekla hm
21:33 ThickAsThieves You should answer "yes" to the whistleblower program question if you wish to avail yourself of these additional confidentiality protections, even if you are not interested in being eligible for a whistleblower award.
21:33 mircea_popescu seriously ? who in his right mind can say this ?
21:33 mircea_popescu then we wonder why locklin doesn't get bitcoin.
21:33 mircea_popescu he doesn't want to. cause admitting how fucking stupid he is would burn.
21:34 ThickAsThieves Please be aware that these additional confidentiality protections may in some cases limit or delay the SEC's ability to disclose your identity to certain other agencies, regulators or other third parties. For that reason, we suggest you check "no" if you are submitting your information in order to seek our assistance to resolve an issue
21:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00484373 = 0.9687 BTC [+] {5}
21:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from an earlier interaction, i concluded that he gets it but is stuck in the place where you were in 2010 (?)
21:34 ThickAsThieves In addition, if you do not wish to be considered for an award and you intend for us to coordinate with another government agency or regulator, checking "no" may help facilitate this process.
21:34 asciilifeform that is, 'look at the flies, it must be a turd'
21:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but look at it. i used to think i can make such representations of people, until i was about 17 or so.
21:35 mircea_popescu do you know anyone through others who you can vouch for as he does ?
21:35 asciilifeform nope
21:35 mircea_popescu well how can this be.
21:35 asciilifeform NIF remains a boondoggle.
21:35 mircea_popescu no argument
21:35 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves wut you on about spammor
21:35 ThickAsThieves sry
21:36 ThickAsThieves just thought it was funny
21:36 ThickAsThieves from SEC's report a scam page
21:36 mircea_popescu incredibly arrogant these schmucks
21:36 mircea_popescu "o, we have a webpage". great. so does any 14 yo singer-songwriter.
21:36 asciilifeform 'Two NIF whistleblowers who didn’t die, Les Mikosy and Luciana C. Messina, were ignored, then fired in 2003. They were involved in the code that was supposed to simulate the laser/plasma/X-ray interaction, and detected actual fraud in it. Not a peep from anyone about their assertions, which seem to have been proven true, or the lawsuit they filed against LLNL (it was dismissed; yay objective court system!).'
21:36 BingoBoingo Inner workings of a chumpatron http://www.sbnation.com/2014/3/4/5468468/wwe-pro-wrestling-stories-creative
21:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how come nobody killed lucy c ?
21:37 asciilifeform why kill when you can 'lower into bitchdom'
21:37 mircea_popescu why didn't they make the straight shooter guy into a twink then
21:38 asciilifeform idk, i wasn't there - but it was either tried to no result, or not attempted for good reason, i'd bet.
21:38 mircea_popescu or perhaps the entire construction is orthogonal.
21:38 mircea_popescu benkay` da fuck is peter r
21:39 mircea_popescu jesus look at that, complete with coelho-esque quotes and the new yorker "narrative" devices.
21:39 mircea_popescu why so many hipsters ?
21:40 asciilifeform http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Livermore-Engineer-s-Mysterious-Death-3240466.php
21:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00082977 = 6.0158 BTC [+]
21:40 asciilifeform my take (You Heard It Here First (tm) !)
21:41 asciilifeform locklin is off the mark
21:41 asciilifeform Hall was zapped because he grabbed the brass ring.
21:41 asciilifeform and threatened to take it somewhere useful
21:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1970 @ 0.000183 = 0.3605 BTC [-]
21:41 asciilifeform brass ring -> pure laser-initiated fusion
21:41 asciilifeform (not necessarily of the controlled kind)
21:41 asciilifeform thermonuke without fissiles
21:41 asciilifeform holy grail.
21:41 mircea_popescu maybe he got depressed over not finding any nailguns.
21:42 asciilifeform pop one, instant glass parking lot, no fallout
21:42 asciilifeform and no rare materials needed
21:42 benkay` how should I know who peter r is - nobody's paying me for my research
21:42 asciilifeform to build.
21:42 benkay` "research" "swamp wading"
21:42 benkay` "pig wrestling"
21:43 mircea_popescu do you know the traditional first date romanian joke titled "taci si suge" (ie, shut it and suck it!) ?
21:43 mod6 haha
21:44 benkay` sounds translation-worthy...
21:44 mircea_popescu bad wolf busts into snow white's cavern, offers her a simple deal :
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21:44 mircea_popescu either she sucks him off or he eats her midgets.
21:44 mircea_popescu snow white agrees to suck him off.
21:45 mircea_popescu at some point wolf eats three midgets.
21:45 mircea_popescu "but wolf! you said..."
21:45 mircea_popescu shut it and suck it.
21:45 mircea_popescu so she does.
21:45 mircea_popescu and after a while... the wolf... eats another three midgets
21:45 mircea_popescu "but!"
21:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]
21:45 mircea_popescu shut it and suck it!
21:45 mircea_popescu and after yet another while, the wolf eats another three midgets
21:46 asciilifeform underflow!
21:46 mircea_popescu at which point the chick points out that there's only seven midgets and you point out that she shouldn't be making that kind of noise.
21:46 mod6 haha
21:46 mircea_popescu bout 50-50.
21:47 kakobrekla mircea_popescu do the dot test
21:47 mircea_popescu brb gathering dots.
21:47 mircea_popescu 8 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · D
21:47 asciilifeform there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night:
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21:47 asciilifeform 'we're short of a few silver spoons. shame on you';
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21:47 asciilifeform friend denies
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21:48 asciilifeform next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.'
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21:48 kakobrekla ok dunno seems everything works again
21:48 kakobrekla cept the dots.
21:48 mircea_popescu lmao
21:48 mircea_popescu see, locklin is no jew.
21:49 mircea_popescu anyway. off to practice with the midgets. gl all.
21:50 kakobrekla ah i see it now its fine, the long just shortened your dick.
21:50 asciilifeform night night
21:50 kakobrekla log*
21:50 kakobrekla fuck
21:50 kakobrekla bad typo
21:50 mircea_popescu and remember : always be nice with all newcomers. they could be as retarded as historically was the case.
22:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00479101 = 0.2635 BTC [-]
22:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.57390463 = 7.4608 BTC [-] {10}
22:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2987 @ 0.00082977 = 2.4785 BTC [+]
22:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
22:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00083001 = 7.1381 BTC [+]
22:24 Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500633.msg5515929#msg5515929
22:24 ozbot Leancy - Allegedly hacked by their host - Avoid deposits
22:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00082771 = 5.9181 BTC [-] {2}
22:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [-]
22:32 Duffer1 Dr. Forehead ouch
22:32 BigBlx yoooooooo
22:32 Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498302.0
22:32 ozbot Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi
22:32 Duffer1 ni hao
22:33 kakobrekla ·
22:33 BigBlx did you guys resolve the aurora/litecoin bet?
22:33 kakobrekla ·
22:33 Duffer1 brb i feel i may need some popcorn
22:33 kakobrekla thats interesting.
22:34 kakobrekla my dots work, mps dont.
22:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
22:34 Duffer1 how are you creating the dot?
22:35 kakobrekla by pressing on the button :)
22:35 Duffer1 on my old keyboard alt0153 at a leisurely pace created ™ just fine, but on my new keyboard I have to type it ultra fast for some reason..
22:36 kakobrekla anyway cyrillic should work nao asciilifeform
22:37 Duffer1 bigblx do you have a link for the bet you're talking about?
22:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [+]
22:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 455 @ 0.00088995 = 0.4049 BTC [+] {2}
22:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.00089 = 0.1086 BTC [+]
22:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14945 @ 0.00083001 = 12.4045 BTC [+]
22:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
22:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00479629 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {3}
22:52 ThickAsThieves •
22:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896011 = 0.1792 BTC [-]
22:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
22:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00457008 = 0.1828 BTC [-] {2}
23:00 BingoBoingo #DangerZone
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23:20 kakobrekla ah
23:20 kakobrekla he is talking about THE current bet Duffer1
23:21 kakobrekla which is simultaneously most fucked up bet evah.
23:21 Duffer1 the alt coin market cap bet?
23:21 kakobrekla mhm
23:22 Duffer1 ya i figured
~ 18 minutes ~
23:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00083021 = 17.6694 BTC [+] {2}
23:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00082693 = 9.8405 BTC [-] {2}
23:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00083033 = 5.6462 BTC [+]
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