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00:05 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314616 << weapons, too
00:05 assbot Logged on 03-11-2015 04:11:28; mircea_popescu: they have fucking names and people sleep with them in bed.
00:05 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli
00:06 felipelalli trinque, do you know why my deed wasn't published yet in deedbot.org? Thank you.
00:06 trinque felipelalli: btcd blew up, actually
00:06 trinque I am not yet sure why; it was accepted though, and also the transaction was sent
00:07 trinque so it will be on the website shortly
00:07 felipelalli ah! ok, thank you!
00:07 trinque no problem
00:08 trinque felipelalli: it is about 20 blocks behind at the moment, so it shouldn't be too long, perhaps an hour
00:11 felipelalli trinque, to avoid blew up due to spam txs put this on config:
00:11 felipelalli minrelaytxfee=0.0003 limitfreerelay=3 sendfreetransactions=0
00:11 felipelalli not sure if it was it, but...
00:12 trinque felipelalli: could very well have been, though I'm going to have to have a talk with runit as to why it wasn't immediately restarted. perhaps it was running slow for a while before death
00:12 trinque I'll look into that for sure, thanks :)
00:13 felipelalli trinque, it worked for me! :)
00:14 felipelalli actually, I just saw right now that my node is also DEAD!! lol
00:14 felipelalli what is going on?
00:15 felipelalli it is weird because I run an instance of testnet and normal node in the same machine and both are dead.
00:15 mircea_popescu heh. alcoa huh
00:16 felipelalli it was unrelated. In my case the HD just crashed. I was using an old external HD :)
00:18 felipelalli It is what looks like when your HD crashes: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gj6pZ04e
00:18 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGDK9w )
00:21 mircea_popescu "While that’s a big deal for the U.S. industry and the people it employs, it doesn’t mean much for global supplies. Alcoa’s decision to eliminate 503,000 metric tons of smelting capacity accounts for about 31 percent of the U.S. total for primary aluminum, but less than one percent of the global total, according to Harbor."
00:21 mircea_popescu best summary of us importance in the world.
00:25 ben_vulpes zing
00:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i gotta ask: what in satan's green earth is a raiserist ?
00:27 mircea_popescu someone who raises.
00:28 mircea_popescu you know, awareness raiserists.
00:28 * asciilifeform went on clearly wrong mental path, tried to picture something pertaining to hans reiser
00:28 mircea_popescu but that's reiser not rAiser.
00:28 asciilifeform ah, yes.
00:28 * asciilifeform has been out of bed much too long
~ 19 minutes ~
00:47 asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 s/leafs/leaves
00:47 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:50 asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 in your 'v', gpg doesn't seem to be confined to a temporary state dir !!!?
00:50 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:52 asciilifeform ^ this means that attempts to run with smaller subsets of a wot that was ~ever once~ used on the box - will fail !
00:52 asciilifeform (imported keys will stay imported)
00:52 asciilifeform likewise, any keys imported outside of 'v' will be applied by 'v'
00:53 mircea_popescu that's not so good.
00:53 asciilifeform which is not a thing that you want.
00:53 * asciilifeform is lately in the habit of reading things before running'em
01:02 ben_vulpes code literacy
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01:21 BingoBoingo http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/world/middleeast/ahmad-chalabi-iraq-dead.html
01:22 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nd3bK6 )
01:22 BingoBoingo ^ Godfather of ISIS dead
01:27 ben_vulpes subject of le terror, i rewatched Swordfish last night
01:28 ben_vulpes very amusing that the thing was released on the eve of 9/11
01:28 ben_vulpes halle berry, yo.
01:29 mircea_popescu she's ugly isn't she ?
01:31 deedbot- [cascadian hacker] Inside Apple's perfectionism machine, adnotated - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/03_inside-apples-perfectionism-machine-adnotated.html
01:31 BingoBoingo She goes through phases
01:34 mircea_popescu https://www.quora.com/Who-originated-the-saying-What-fresh-hell-is-this << this posteriorist crap is boggling my mind. so there exists somewhere a schmuck, married by his mugshot, who actually goes around expertly answering questions on social media with regurgitation of other social media sources ? "according to twitter, facebook invented the internet" ?
01:34 assbot Who originated the saying, "What fresh hell is this?" - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nd3XqH )
01:34 mircea_popescu who the fuck are these people!
01:34 mircea_popescu who fucks them ? who feeds them ? and most importantly : why ?
01:47 BingoBoingo Obama feeds them
01:47 BingoBoingo Because Obama hates civilization
01:50 trinque deedbot- is having a terrible time getting a node which will speak to him at the moment
01:50 trinque and many orphan blocks
01:52 mircea_popescu teh republic's own ?
01:54 trinque no, and it's high time I switched to the proper client; this has been on btcd for quite a while
01:56 BingoBoingo Throw more RAM at it?
01:56 BingoBoingo More cores?
01:57 trinque 2gb ram, using 500mb, 1 core but not using nearly any CPU at the moment
01:58 trinque the orphan blocks started after 381963
02:00 trinque like so http://dpaste.com/3N40HTC.txt
02:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wvp9lW )
02:00 mircea_popescu 188.68.240.159 88 connections atm.
02:07 trinque mircea_popescu: ty, added and restarted. it's connected, hasn't said anything about a block yet
02:07 mircea_popescu http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ << check out the scamcoin getting burned into the ground. so after the sucker jump, the volume is up, the mkt cap constant, the price dropping like a rock.
02:07 assbot Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )
02:07 mircea_popescu "i have an idea", sez buterin, "let's print and sell eth! it's almost as good as tax and spend!"
02:08 trinque sweet, there it goes with 381964
~ 21 minutes ~
02:29 Namworld Is there anyone interested in buying 20% of Coinroll? If he didn't ask in here yet, I know someone who wants to do just.
~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~
03:32 punkman Namworld: how much is that valued at?
~ 24 minutes ~
03:56 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b40
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04:41 davout guten morgen
04:41 davout !proxies
04:44 davout $proxies
04:47 copypaste " In other news cazalla wished to take an extended vacation from Bitcoin and recieved a buyout for his board position. " http://qntra.net/2015/11/qntra-s-qntr-october-2015-report/
04:47 assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2015 Report | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q56NE2 )
04:47 copypaste How much was the buyout ?
04:47 copypaste Who took his place, if anyone?
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04:47 copypaste I find it odd this wasn't mentioned.
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04:48 copypaste BingoBoingo ^
04:49 punkman copypaste: was in the logs, rest of the board bought cazalla's shares
04:52 copypaste Gotcha, thank you punkman
04:52 davout copypaste: approx. 10 btc if memory serves
04:52 copypaste & davout :)
04:52 gribble Error: "davout" is not a valid command.
~ 1 hours 22 minutes ~
06:14 Namworld punkman, sorry, no valuation. Unlisted.
06:18 Namworld It comes with a right to ~50 BTC from undistributed bankroll. So there's already a base price of 2.5 BTC per %. and some offers. Although if you want to make an offer, you should drop a mail at support email or something. Sure our guy would appreciate.
06:18 Namworld All data and stats are public/downloadable on website.
06:19 Namworld I have to log off for now.
06:19 Namworld I'll try and come back around.
~ 17 minutes ~
06:36 punkman ;;ticker --market all
06:36 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 466.29, vol: 88333.48927328 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 423.023, vol: 46717.41364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 471.0, vol: 208567.62850058 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 475.0, vol: 16.06520961 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 493.944359, vol: 119833.32010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 430.0, vol: 337.16250505 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 458.301996, vol: 615.98618908 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
06:43 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50002466 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b42
06:57 shinohai http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/tennessee-man-charged-with-raping-wife-in-church-parking-lot-i-am-your-husband-i-can-get-it-anytime-i-want/
06:57 assbot Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuXDyd )
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07:26 shinohai wb wyrdmantis
07:26 wyrdmantis ;;isup mpex.co
07:26 gribble mpex.co is down
07:26 wyrdmantis ;;isup mpex.ws
07:26 gribble mpex.ws is down
07:26 wyrdmantis hi shinoai
07:26 shinohai think it is down across the board
07:27 wyrdmantis i see
07:28 wyrdmantis why is that?
07:29 shinohai dunno mircea_popescu said sumthin in the lawgs about it crappin out for some unknown reason.
07:30 wyrdmantis shinoai thanks dude, no time to read the logs in this period
07:33 shinohai no worries, I finally stopped being lazy and fixed me ml mail to go to the correct email for btc-dev.
~ 50 minutes ~
08:23 solrodar someone's just raised an interesting point at https://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/
08:23 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 :: 16.09 B (26%) on Yes, 46.75 B (74%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 84`375 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc4SHV )
08:24 solrodar what happens if ALL the bets on one side are refunded?
08:25 solrodar I think the only fair response would be to cancel the whole bet and refund the other side as well
~ 18 minutes ~
08:43 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?
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08:44 punkman solrodar: that does seem problematic
08:48 solrodar I'd argue that BitBet is holding the pool in trust for the winners
08:48 solrodar if there are no winners, then the whole thing is null and void and the money should be sent back to where it came from
08:52 punkman solrodar: but do the losing bettors have a claim on that money?
08:53 mod6 anyway, if thats acceptable, I'll see what I can do about it tonight.
~ 19 minutes ~
09:12 fluffypony wow major protests happening in Romania
09:12 fluffypony https://i.imgur.com/gsB8bsM.jpg
09:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9byfU )
09:13 trinque mircea_popescu: in my logs, deedbot's btcd eventually disconnected from 188.68.240.159 and began receiving orphan blocks again. after restarting it, it reconnected to your node and is receiving blocks normally again
09:13 * trinque is very suspicious
09:13 fluffypony "32 people died (and a lot more in critical condition) because of a fire in a club last Friday. The problem is that the the local authorities allowed that club to function without even the most basic fire-precaution measures, which essentially led to the fire and that many victims (150 injured and as i said before quite a few in critical condition). With a bit of a bribe you can do anything in Romania."
09:18 shinohai @ fluffypony yeah I just noticed mircea_popescu home country was having a chimpout wow xD
09:19 fluffypony cray cray
09:19 mircea_popescu soo, re mpex : the trouble has been identified, i'm pretty sure. will be fixed and then tested etc, i expect mpex back before the weekend.
09:22 mircea_popescu trinque sounds suspicious enough.
09:23 mircea_popescu <assbot> Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ << kinda what "the traditional marriage" institution means innit.
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09:30 mircea_popescu solrodar it is an interesting point.
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09:31 shinohai marriage should be like an alliance between friendly nations. Outside of that it is a horrid concept, as defined in the us
09:31 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah i think the idea is to have a temp space.
09:33 mircea_popescu fluffypony mmyeah, some cattle got burned so now they want the mayor in prison. because logically, that's what matters. when teh politruks set the whole country on fire nobody gave a shit, but god help you if some moos get run over.
09:33 fluffypony lol
09:34 mircea_popescu shinohai here's the problem : explain to me that you are defending "traditional marriage" aka "between a man or a woman" ~for the principle of the thing~ but not at the same time "traditional marriage" aka "the husband can take it whenever he feels like". they're both the same thing.
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09:35 mircea_popescu fwiw, the mayor in question is the chimp of all time. known as the aka "piedone", because when he was young http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076544/
09:35 assbot Inspecteur Bulldozer (1978) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1McenqH )
09:35 mircea_popescu so he wants to be cool like that.
09:35 mircea_popescu sort-of like a dilbert reader going by "colombo" or some equally ridiculous shit.
09:35 shinohai marriage hasn't always been historically defined between solely man and woman though, iirc
09:36 mircea_popescu shinohai because why, nero married a horse ?
09:36 mircea_popescu ofcourse it is, says so right in the churchly book.
09:38 * shinohai wishes there was an actual "#b-a Bible" written in a religious-styled prose ...
09:38 solrodar punkman: in the absence of any precedent or rule for this situation, I suppose nobody has a claim on the money
09:39 mircea_popescu god i hate bucharest. just looking at that picture... brrrrr. but unrelatedly, if you lived behind one of those front windows, and there was a protest at night like that, wouldn't you fuck the woman for the camera ?
09:39 solrodar it would be acceptable for bitbet to destroy it by sending it somewhere provably unspendable, but not to keep it for themselves
09:40 mircea_popescu solrodar the problem with precedent and rule based systems is that you don't know what will happen until it actually happens. i would guess what would happen here would be the bet gets cancelled and so the nos get their btc back too, and perhaps the ability of bet starter to create that clause gets curtailed.
09:40 punkman that would not be acceptable
09:40 trinque felipelalli: http://deedbot.org/bundle-381953.txt << ding
09:40 trinque meanwhile I'm looking into what can be done about the node losing its connection to polite nodes, getting orphans barfed at it by impolite nodes
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09:40 mircea_popescu !ticker
09:40 assbot Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
09:41 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
09:41 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.0, Best ask: 492.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 491.61, 24 hour volume: 231944.95432189, 24 hour low: 375.02, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None
09:41 punkman ;;ticker --market all
09:41 shinohai twitter has "Recommend to follow" https://twitter.com/PopescuCo
09:41 assbot Dan Popescu (@PopescuCo) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9eedq )
09:41 mircea_popescu holy shit huh.
09:41 shinohai O.o
09:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 489.04, vol: 94353.31745306 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 454.503, vol: 51020.67408 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 491.61, vol: 231944.95432189 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 20.30846861 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 512.056266, vol: 128916.90360000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 473.541, vol: 764.60162619 | Volume-weighted last average: 492.567547581
09:41 mircea_popescu trinque this is a gnarly thing that's been being worked on for a while.
09:41 punkman china broke $500 eh
09:41 mircea_popescu so wait... i made a few hundred million while i was sleeping ?
09:41 trinque ^notbad.jpg
09:42 mircea_popescu i'm sure teh haters are ecstatic over it.
09:42 mircea_popescu shinohai popescu is like the most common romanian name.
09:43 shinohai I know, it appears like diaz or something round here. It only pops up in there bcuz I follow qntra, et all
09:43 shinohai Smith
09:43 mircea_popescu goldbug too lol. funny. "Consultant - Gold & Silver Analyst - Gold Standard, International Monetary System, Precious Metals, Currencies, Geopolitics, Macroeconomics"
09:44 mircea_popescu consultant @ nothing in particular, doesn't really look the right age range for this nuttery.
09:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315753
09:44 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 14:30:30; mircea_popescu: solrodar it is an interesting point.
09:51 mircea_popescu Ethereum (ETH) $ 0.748576 (-24.18 %) 0.00152907 BTC (-39.43 %)
09:51 mircea_popescu you go girl.
09:52 mircea_popescu if anyone was fucktarded enough to buy into the scam on its final phase, i would like to meet them.
09:58 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315758 << 1 Corinthians 7:3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
09:58 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 14:34:09; mircea_popescu: shinohai here's the problem : explain to me that you are defending "traditional marriage" aka "between a man or a woman" ~for the principle of the thing~ but not at the same time "traditional marriage" aka "the husband can take it whenever he feels like". they're both the same thing.
09:58 mircea_popescu holy shit, check it out, mp's "you don't own your own sex bits" is older than europe!
09:58 mircea_popescu and here we thought he invented it!11
10:02 mircea_popescu so here's something for alf : "Through much of their history US finishing schools emphasized education in the social graces and de-emphasized scholarship: society encouraged a polished young lady to hide her intellectual prowess for fear of frightening away suitors. For instance Miss Porter's School in 1843 advertised itself as Miss Porter's Finishing School for Young Ladies—even though its founder was a noted schola
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10:02 mircea_popescu r offering a rigorous curriculum that educated the illustrious classicist Edith Hamilton. Today the situation has reversed: Miss Porter's School downplays its origins as a finishing school, and emphasizes the rigor of its academics." . now check out the banner : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/%22For_God._For_Country._And_for_Yale.%22_Banner.jpg
10:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9gG3s )
10:04 mircea_popescu "yea is for sex, yale is for anal" etc.
~ 53 minutes ~
10:57 mircea_popescu "Phil Schiller, Apple's longtime senior vice president of worldwide marketing5, is waiting for me when I arrive at Building 3 at the company's Infinite Loop headquarters in Cupertino, California on an unusually warm fall day." motherfucker these idiots.
10:57 mircea_popescu "o no we must do the bio insert IT IS HOW WRITING IS DONE!11!"
10:57 mircea_popescu i bet they hit on chicks by schematics, too.
10:59 mircea_popescu i can't fucking read this gunk. /me skips to footnotes, in perhaps the first occurence this century of that once-prevalent approach
11:00 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i have nfi what the 1st note says. can you explain the intended meaning ?
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11:07 punkman http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/cartel-boss-states-we-are-not-terrorists-using-narco-banners/article_62983176-828f-11e5-8614-b79fa686dd4d.html
11:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1McrCHK )
11:07 punkman "Accused Gulf Cartel boss Juan Manuel Loiza Salinas reassured residents of Reynosa through a series of banners last week that he is a drug trafficker and not a terrorist."
11:08 phf mod6: original v uses mkdtemp for keyring folder. the general idea is that you don't want to reuse the keyring folder, since it's a place where state is kept for no good reason. you can make sure on startup that you also check that the folder doesn't exist & clean it up before using it, but..
11:09 mircea_popescu "George Bush was one of these people as well. An intimate of his machine once described his public behavior to me, the long and short of which is that the man is excellent at regurgitating that which had been said to him or that he'd heard, and to stitch together a pastiche that can pass for creative conversation, but largely unable to cook up his own output." << sounds like ivy league.
11:10 mircea_popescu the narcs are definitely going to be running mexico going forward.
11:14 mircea_popescu "True, and disingenous. Truly disingenous. They absolutely are "taking responsibility" for the whole stack, but in the opposite direction of that Moldbuggian notion of the modern bureaucracy dissolving both authority and responsibility across the whole organization. Apple's working quite well to gather the mantle of authority around themselves while avoiding any responsibility at all for the work that they produce."
11:15 mircea_popescu idem. wtf, is there a negation problem ?
~ 47 minutes ~
12:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: apple, like a time-and-spacewise miniature tabletop model of usa and the west at large, is burnings its furniture.
12:02 mircea_popescu you don't say.
12:03 asciilifeform sorta like i predicted (which wasn't hard, but for some reason nobody gave a flying fuck) in my ancient article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
12:03 assbot Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrLRp9 )
12:05 asciilifeform ;;ticker --market all
12:05 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 483.02, vol: 93663.54299319 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 452.0, vol: 52118.71829 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 482.84, vol: 240578.33404426 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 593.6, vol: 18.30417961 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 514.105031, vol: 127559.14390000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 466.93710859, vol: 731.415109 | Volume-weighted last average: 487.479977116
12:05 asciilifeform wai wat
12:05 mircea_popescu are we broke yet ?
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12:06 kakobrekla meat today!
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12:07 * asciilifeform equally depressed on ups AND downs, probably to nobody's great surprise
12:08 * kakobrekla hugs asciilifeform
12:08 kakobrekla i know you hate it.
12:09 asciilifeform l0l
12:09 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315736 << the way to do it is gpg --homedir /tmp/dirthatyoumadefortheoccasion
12:09 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 13:43:59; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?
12:10 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315752 << dan mocsny had great fun with this
12:10 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 14:23:52; mircea_popescu: <assbot> Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ << kinda what "the traditional marriage" institution means innit.
12:12 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315773 << have you (or anyone else) considered writing a simple tcp proxy for this ?
12:12 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 14:40:55; trinque: meanwhile I'm looking into what can be done about the node losing its connection to polite nodes, getting orphans barfed at it by impolite nodes
12:12 asciilifeform the whole 'noble nodes' thing is on my plate but i elementarily lack the time right now to do any of it.
12:13 asciilifeform and it sits below 'pogoization' on the list, also.
12:13 trinque you recommend a separate proggy rather than patch to bitcoind?
12:13 asciilifeform presently.
12:13 asciilifeform it doesn't need to do very much.
12:13 mircea_popescu * asciilifeform equally depressed on ups AND downs, probably to nobody's great surprise <<< and this ISN'T a psycological defense!
12:14 mircea_popescu we're miserable and things must not change so we stay that way!
12:14 asciilifeform trinque: the tricky part is that it needs to switch destinations (nodes) when the local node aborts
12:14 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315616 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/
12:14 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 04:43:02; ben_vulpes: anyone know which contravex piece slit the "car reportering" scam open?
12:14 assbot A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzHhWo )
12:14 trinque asciilifeform: idea being bitcoind uses -connect=proxy and the proxy handles the other end?
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12:15 trinque then maybe munches log looking for signs of rude nodes?
12:15 asciilifeform trinque: the real problem is that -connect results in a castrato node
12:15 asciilifeform (that accepts no connections)
12:15 trinque right, meanwhile addnode is not a guarantee iirc
12:15 asciilifeform aha.
12:16 asciilifeform and no log-munching, what, you need a hard list of friends
12:16 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315811 << looks like it's missing a "not" in the first sentence
12:16 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 16:00:49; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi what the 1st note says. can you explain the intended meaning ?
12:16 asciilifeform trinque: i suppose it won't be done until i do it..
12:16 trinque ^ bait
12:16 trinque :D
12:16 trinque doesn't sound that hard
12:17 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315828 << champagne tomorrow !
12:17 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 17:06:55; kakobrekla: meat today!
12:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nah it's a perfectly logical sort of depressed. down-->'my pathetic handful of coin won't even pay a month's rent'; up-->'now there's many fewer that i could ever hope to have'
12:18 pete_dushenski but... warrants
12:19 pete_dushenski same as yesterday, neh ?
12:19 pete_dushenski I recently discovered that MACOS 10.10.2 categorically refuses to sleep if a video is playing in Chrome.
12:19 pete_dushenski ^saw similarly strange behaviour in 10.10 mba when running 'sophos'
12:20 pete_dushenski craptop was closed, shoulda been asleep, but would magically awake, run, and damn near cook itself to death in an effort to be 'pest free'
12:21 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: you probably knew this, but i live in 'break my back to pay the bills and with the scraps of time and energy that remain, work on s.nsa' mode.
12:21 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: note the ordering in the formulation.
12:22 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315409 << /me dusts off 1870 printing of 'the academic questions'
12:22 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 02:17:42; mircea_popescu: or pr without cicero
12:22 asciilifeform speaking of this, secmem.c is getting cut and replaced with a stub. because this crud does not belong in mpi, needs to be a quite separate library.
12:23 asciilifeform and it is responsible for most of the #ifdef noise, also
12:23 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the carrot dangleth before you, and when you finally taste it, may that fateful day come, you'll be in the unfortunate position of having to find still another carrot to chase.
12:23 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i still have my original carrot
12:24 asciilifeform ...building a sane computer.
12:24 asciilifeform i don't expect to live to eat even the very tip of that carrot.
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12:24 asciilifeform ars longa.
12:25 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315803 << i used to work very near the (now - demolished, and replaced with obscenely imitative - of it - sprawl of condos) ruins of a 19th c. 'finishing school.'
12:25 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 15:02:51; mircea_popescu: so here's something for alf : "Through much of their history US finishing schools emphasized education in the social graces and de-emphasized scholarship: society encouraged a polished young lady to hide her intellectual prowess for fear of frightening away suitors. For instance Miss Porter's School in 1843 advertised itself as Miss Porter's Finishing School for Young Ladies—even though its founder w
12:25 asciilifeform was an interesting sight.
12:26 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315880 < comes down to the definition of 'living'
12:26 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 17:24:30; asciilifeform: i don't expect to live to eat even the very tip of that carrot.
12:27 asciilifeform ??
12:28 kakobrekla before bitcoin, i was living in barrel because no matter what i wanst going to be a part of the slave system. you wouldnt call that living.
12:28 asciilifeform kakobrekla: what kind of barrel ?
12:29 kakobrekla l0l.
12:29 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: and what did you do pre-btc ?
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12:29 kakobrekla it was slightly larger than Diogeneses
12:29 asciilifeform i mean, we can infer that kakobrekla's barrel contained a computer and also whatever was required to keep his brain alive and in reasonably well-oiled condition
12:30 asciilifeform this - is living.
12:30 pete_dushenski i might've guessed a stint at a big bank as barrel
12:30 kakobrekla move to MK, rent a flat for 100 bux, a better one than my ex barrel.
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12:31 * asciilifeform recalls http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870766
12:31 assbot Logged on 13-10-2014 12:56:26; kakobrekla: i understood this pretty quickly so i never got employed.
12:31 kakobrekla and you think this came without consequences ?
12:31 mike_c what's MK?
12:31 asciilifeform morth korea ?
12:31 kakobrekla macedonia
12:35 asciilifeform barrel is not so terrible. it is being solely a barrel's radius from the mass of stinking, writhing human refuse that typically surrounds the barrel, that is.
12:35 asciilifeform we have a kind of 'barrel' in usa - there is a caste of folks who live in converted 'trailers'
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12:35 kakobrekla just keep the top closed.
12:36 asciilifeform (a kind of truck box)
12:36 asciilifeform perfectly fine accommodations, physically - about on par with my old flat. BUT you have to live near the other dalits.
12:37 asciilifeform ('trailers' are not permitted in most of usa except in specially-designated leprosoria)
12:38 kakobrekla ;;google ohrid
12:38 gribble Ohrid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid>; Ohrid Vacation, Travel, Tourism, Visit Ohrid - Official Web Site of the ...: <http://www.ohrid.com.mk/>; Natural and Cultural Heritage of the Ohrid region - UNESCO World ...: <http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/99>
12:38 kakobrekla is not so bad.
12:39 asciilifeform kakobrekla: looks spiffy from the photos
12:40 kakobrekla this is a place where cops still take bribes. all of them.
12:42 asciilifeform like most of the planet.
12:42 asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880
12:42 assbot Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
12:43 kakobrekla nah, EU cant bribe a cop. not even in croatia.
12:43 asciilifeform eu is a usg colony
12:44 kakobrekla it changes in bosnia.
12:44 asciilifeform (this is a not altogether bad heuristic for what is a usg colony - can you bribe a traffic cop ?)
12:44 asciilifeform if not --> colony.
12:45 shinohai !s http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/03/hackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer
12:45 assbot Hackers gonna hack, but why? Maybe Freud has the answer | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hrpg5U )
12:45 assbot 0 results for 'http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/03/hackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2015%2Fnov%2F03%2Fhackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer
12:46 asciilifeform 'A humanistic, cognitive psychology approach to hacking would be to consider an emotion such as revenge… But my favourite explanation for the academic literature is a Freudian psychoanalytic approach to hacking, which actually conceptualises hacking in Freudian terms as a cyber-sexual urge to penetrate. And there are castration complex overtones in terms of being cut off from the network as well…'
12:46 asciilifeform l0l!!
12:46 asciilifeform can't wait for the психушка !!
12:48 asciilifeform '“What we have to question ourselves is, as a society, do we really want to criminalise 13, 14 and 15 year-olds? Or do we want to understand their behaviour, engage with their incredible skillsets, mentor them and try to point them in the right direction?” she said.' << aha, a course of neuroleptics followed by lifetime indenture at junior www dev work in usg sharashka, is the implication.
12:48 asciilifeform who wouldn't want!11111
12:49 asciilifeform from same fishwrap, equally appetizing,
12:49 asciilifeform http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/theresa-may-surveillance-measures-edward-snowden
12:49 assbot Theresa May unveils UK surveillance measures in wake of Snowden claims | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmLrQX )
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12:50 asciilifeform 'New surveillance powers will be given to the police and security services, allowing them to access records tracking every UK citizen’s use of the internet without any judicial check, under the provisions of the draft investigatory powers bill unveiled by Theresa May.'
12:51 asciilifeform arguably a snore, because in practice usg already had doing-whatever-the-fuck-it-wants-to-whoever-it-wants powerz
12:56 kakobrekla actually iirc there is a huge underground usg army base in mk
12:56 kakobrekla top sekrit stuff
12:57 pete_dushenski one wonders why usg/uk bother with such surveillance legislation at all if they actually have de facto doing-whatever-the-fuck-it-wants-to-whoever-it-wants powerz
12:57 asciilifeform kakobrekla: aha, why do you suppose they bothered to smash serbia and roll up all of old yugo into usg reich ?
12:57 asciilifeform to make tourist resorts ?
12:57 pete_dushenski superficial politicians want to pretend to matter ?
12:57 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: 'so that we would ask'
12:58 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it's fist-in-the-face psyops
12:58 kakobrekla still better than eu.
12:59 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: there also a basic trick involved. when you repaint the opposition as 'criminal', it can then be dealt with using police methods, which are cheaper than black bag work
13:00 pete_dushenski seems more like 'we can achieve 90% compliance with 10% effort just by scaring derps into submission'
13:00 asciilifeform and for every brian micon that needs to be tried for 'illegal bitcoining' you have 1,001 schmucks who were afraid to even read about it because 'they log my packetz'
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13:00 asciilifeform aha.
13:01 pete_dushenski i've even seen this at usg 'green building' trade shows.
13:01 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu were awake, he would probably say that none of this matters worth a damn
13:01 asciilifeform but i'm not convinced. consider the case of chemistry
13:01 pete_dushenski 'don't bring electric power tools because not green!' 'uhhh fuck you'
13:01 asciilifeform which more or less died out as a scientific field in the 'civilized' world.
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13:01 asciilifeform (and was never really a thing in the 'uncivilized' - what does a pashtun need it for?)
13:03 pete_dushenski i'd argue that this type of posturing ~does~ matter in the sense that it's a further wedge between ( ) boys and ( ) men
13:04 pete_dushenski if anything, it'll push a few maybe neithers off the fence towards manhood
13:04 pete_dushenski not a bad thing imo
13:04 asciilifeform what, in this case, is 'manhood' ?
13:04 asciilifeform cleaning kalash in kandahar with own piss every morning between goat fucks ?
13:05 pete_dushenski not being afraid of pieces of paper = manhood
13:05 pete_dushenski at least those issued by 'elected politicians'
13:05 pete_dushenski contracts
13:05 pete_dushenski ^cat derp
13:05 asciilifeform meanwhile...
13:05 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki << ph0rk!!
13:05 assbot bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmNNiM )
13:06 pete_dushenski *contracts between private individuals being another sort of 'piece of paper' altogether, one obviously needing to be very, very afraid of not honouring
13:06 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920112 << see old threaad
13:06 assbot Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
13:07 asciilifeform 'In addition to using cold storage, hardware wallets, and P2SH multisig outputs to control funds, now funds can be frozen in UTXOs directly on the blockchain.'
13:09 asciilifeform 'We reuse the double-threshold IsSuperMajority() switchover mechanism used in BIP 66 with the same thresholds, but for nVersion = 4. The new rules are in effect for every block (at height H) with nVersion = 4 and at least 750 out of 1000 blocks preceding it (with heights H-1000..H-1) also have nVersion >= 4. Furthermore, when 950 out of the 1000 blocks preceding a block do have nVersion >= 4, nVersion < 4 blocks become invalid
13:09 asciilifeform , and all further blocks enforce the new rules.'
13:09 kakobrekla worx even with rand() return 4;
13:09 asciilifeform seems like these folks want a replay of the july idiocy ?
13:09 pete_dushenski obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/04/bitcoins-4th-of-july-independence-from-america-day/
13:09 assbot Bitcoin’s 4th of July : INDEPENDENCE FROM AMERICA DAY | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmOgS1 )
13:17 asciilifeform soooo...
13:17 asciilifeform turns out that one of the users of my personal therealbitcoin node is 'card-ok.com'
13:17 asciilifeform which per the ru sp4mz0rsphere, https://crdclub.ws/showthread.php?p=97248 -- is a 'carding' service
13:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmOWHj )
13:17 asciilifeform used to 'test' stolen cc #s.
13:19 lobbes l0l, the many eyes that read the logs
13:19 asciilifeform aha
13:20 asciilifeform i don't like manually kicking folks off my node, but this screams of usg entrapment
13:20 asciilifeform so into iptables it goes.
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13:21 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcTC7RkmHac << alf, always a jump ahead
13:21 assbot Aladdin-One Jump Ahead HD (1080p) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmPpsU )
13:21 asciilifeform if osama bin laden goldstein wants to use my box, plz have the decency to call himself something else.
13:22 lobbes 'definitelynotisis.com'
13:22 * asciilifeform sadly contemplates unplugging the thing entirely
13:24 lobbes !up thestringpuller
13:24 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: don't let them scare you !
13:25 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you gonna let the USG force you to shut down your node?
13:25 asciilifeform nah i'll wait till they shoot me and cart it off themselves.
13:26 thestringpuller that's the spirit!
13:26 Namworld In case anyone missed it yesterday, someone is looking to sell 20% of Coinroll
13:27 asciilifeform i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.
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13:27 pete_dushenski Namworld: is 'someone' in the wot ?
13:28 asciilifeform perhaps if tlp were here, he might cry narcissism.
13:29 pete_dushenski we'll point him to the log entry when he arrives
13:31 asciilifeform i suppose this is a good time to point out that i fucking hate common criminals who lack the brains or elementary decency to make themselves any kind of hard target
13:31 asciilifeform they are the fodder on which usg lives.
13:31 asciilifeform and cultivates for its sustenance.
13:32 asciilifeform there are precious few creatures upon satan's green earth more loathesome than the common spammer.
13:32 mike_c jurov: you still own part of coinroll?
13:32 asciilifeform the very examples of the 'disposable males overdue for the meatgrinder' as portrayed in mircea_popescu's articles.
13:33 Namworld jurov does, as well as wao, as well as me. But none of us is selling.
13:34 Namworld The sale will have to go through jurov & wao anyway
13:35 pete_dushenski !gettrust wao
13:35 assbot Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user wao: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=wao | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/wao/
13:35 jurov right
13:36 mike_c You each have 20%? Are these "voting" shares or silent-partner type?
13:36 asciilifeform pete_dushenski, thestringpuller: the reason i was considering ~not~ keeping a node on my desk is the realization that, if this kind of thing carries on, it cannot really be considered a respectable node.
13:36 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315891 < missed this; i had a few unrelated gigs which allowed me to be free but not rich
13:36 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 17:29:23; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: and what did you do pre-btc ?
13:37 asciilifeform kakobrekla was then rich
13:37 asciilifeform per my standards.
13:38 kakobrekla barrel rich.
13:38 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: no worries, i thought mebbe it was sooper sekrit. but really, no finance background ?
13:38 pete_dushenski u.s. 'hood rich' = e.u. 'barrel rich'
13:39 kakobrekla no, no finance background.
13:42 Namworld No, we don't all have 20%. And these are non-voting shares
13:43 Namworld Although jurov and wao will consider any input/advice you give, they take the decisions.
13:45 ben_vulpes Namworld: it's painful to watch people dragging these details out of you. is there a signed operating agreement in place people can look at somewhere?
13:45 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?
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13:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:46 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski has it with the elusive negation
13:47 jurov ben_vulpes there is not anything gpg signed. there was agreement with scrat, but he went mia
13:47 ben_vulpes oh jeez.
13:47 jurov we will draft it if anyone has serious interest
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13:48 ben_vulpes well i'm not but damn this is going to be an expensive price discovery exercise without contracts.
13:49 pete_dushenski http://altwork.com/ << save the 'angel investor' 'prototype' blah blah, this is an intriguing workspace concept. only about a 2016-btc too
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13:49 assbot Altwork Station | The new way to work ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmSARf )
13:49 ben_vulpes everyone's in the wot (right?) so it should work itself out eventually, but this is an interesting example of how gpgconomy works in contrast to the fiat contracting system.
13:50 * asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
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13:50 ben_vulpes yes, you're all in the wot, so no need for contracts, they're unenforceable anyways. that said, without formalized business relationships, pricing the paper's...complicated.
13:50 pete_dushenski jurov: my guess is that your approach is backwards. should have gpg signed statement FIRST, then serious interest follows
13:50 ben_vulpes like how many non voting shares? how many voting shares? who can issue more shares, and under what conditions?
13:51 jurov no shares
13:51 jurov but you're right
13:51 ben_vulpes and that's just 3 questions that should be wrapped up neatly in the operating agreement.
13:53 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: keep 'em.
13:53 kakobrekla asciilifeform but does usg really need to honeytrap ? as far as i get it, there is no need for such customs.
13:53 pete_dushenski "Magnets keep all your computer equipment in place, and it moves with you as you change positions. So even while you recline, your monitor and keyboard are proportionally placed for you to continue working." << re: altwork thingie. fuck magnets. give me screws and anchors !
13:53 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: shrem.
13:53 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: how does shrem relate?
13:54 mike_c he went to jail?
13:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: usg algo is, as i understand: 1) pick a fella who needs to have problems 2) steer known scum to his $thing 3) have it be established that he knows of (2) 4) pick him up as a thieves' fence
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13:55 kakobrekla i thought it was 1) pick up the fella 2) fuck him up
13:55 ben_vulpes what precisely is your concern, though? relaying of 3vil t3rrist txns?
13:55 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: solution : go kazcynski on their ass
13:55 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the 'card-ok' fella insisted on being obvious as daylight
13:55 ben_vulpes shrem was out and out breaking the law
13:55 asciilifeform and i doubt that he ended up on my box by pure accident.
13:55 kakobrekla but anyway, if you dont feel like running a node from home, you should not do it.
13:55 asciilifeform (it is not an ultra-high-bandwidth node)
13:55 asciilifeform problem is that i fucking need a node.
13:56 asciilifeform and i don't own an impregnable castle where i can leave a machine going.
13:56 pete_dushenski obligatory kaczynski http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/
13:56 assbot Hits and misses of Ted “The Unabomber” Kaczynski. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktc5vZ )
13:57 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: how did you get from mocking "omg my packetz" to "omg my packetz"?
13:57 * pete_dushenski off to the races. ciao !
13:59 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: partly it is because i have a personal hatred of ph0rum sp4mz0r l337 d00dz
14:01 asciilifeform they bring usg with them wherever they go. the way rats bring plague.
14:02 ben_vulpes so boot 'em
14:03 ben_vulpes that's a sane argument
14:03 Namworld There's no share, just a stake in %. No share dilution as of now. Dilution could appear in the form of allowing investments on the site like other dice site where you can stake the bankroll. Although this would in no way be absolute/permanent.
14:03 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: prolly gonna turn this thing into a gossipd-style whitelisted node soon.
14:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aside from stoolies, stooges, and other vermin, i elementarily lack the bandwidth to service the demand (and there is now again - demand)
14:04 asciilifeform but i will also note, when mircea_popescu tells us 'get the everliving fuck out of usa' he has perfectly good reasons for this.
14:04 Namworld Not sure how the transfer would be done, but I'm sure jurov and wao will sign both payment address and amount for the offer and agreement of share ownership upon payment.
14:07 Namworld As for Coinroll's stats and data, it's always been available publicly for download.
14:11 ben_vulpes Namworld: I'm sure you see the problem with statements-in-the-log-as-operating-agreement
14:13 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: neat! ganbatte.
14:14 Namworld Yes, that's why am saying it can all be signed properly prior to purchase occuring.
14:14 Namworld I just wanted to let it known as I don't think that other guy advertised it around much.
14:25 kakobrekla asciilifeform if not sekrit, which hw raid cards do you use/like?
14:25 asciilifeform kakobrekla: pretty old '3ware'
14:26 * kakobrekla currently fuming over hp p410
14:26 asciilifeform the old-fashioned kind, with 64-bit pci (not pcie)
14:26 asciilifeform pretty cheap secondhand, too.
14:26 kakobrekla myea
14:27 asciilifeform configured with an open source command line thing
14:27 asciilifeform can also flash in own fw if you have a favourite.
14:29 * asciilifeform fucking hates 'software raid' in any and all forms
14:30 asciilifeform incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'
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14:31 asciilifeform this is, naturally, at the cost of introducing another closed turd boot rom.
14:31 asciilifeform BUT the latter is an x86 blob and is trivially disassembled
14:31 asciilifeform unlike hdd fw.
14:32 asciilifeform i made the tradeoff with the full understanding that it was a tradeoff.
14:38 asciilifeform https://www.rt.com/op-edge/320651-germany-refugees-crisis-bavaria << lulzy. esp. for jurov.
14:38 assbot Migrant crisis pushing Germany towards ‘anarchy and civil war’ — RT Op-Edge ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktimYu )
14:39 asciilifeform and for mircea_popescu, https://www.rt.com/usa/320767-sniper-san-diego-police
14:39 assbot Sniper in San Diego pins down police near airport, Zoo — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktiw26 )
14:40 jurov please find anything other than rt. anything.
14:40 jurov even xinhua is miles better than rt
14:40 asciilifeform jurov: largely consists of twatter screencaps
14:41 asciilifeform of course it is possible that putin personally fakes these, aha.
14:42 asciilifeform jurov: this kind of thing is arranged every time usg needs to ban another type of gun.
14:54 asciilifeform 'After weeks of waiting to get registered with Berlin authorities, a group of refugees and migrants have sued Berlin’s main refugee center for failing to grant their asylum benefits on time, which they were promised when Germany took them in.' << lulz
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15:09 trinque asciilifeform: along the lines of the problems with your node, deedbot- now routinely gets orphans and nothing else blasted at it from various IPs, and will at times not be able to reach the node mircea_popescu gave, though I am not presently certain why
15:10 trinque currently it is trying to catch up from the last orphan ass blasting by feeding from mp's node
15:11 trinque and I have given that IP via -connect which unfortunately will keep it from being of use to anyone else
15:13 trinque two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-
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15:13 trinque and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host
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15:14 trinque it would not be surprising to me at all that Amazon obediently fucks with the thing from within
15:21 trinque also, I span up bitcoind-0.5.4-beta last night and it began gagging on orphan blocks around 150k
15:21 trinque this was from a home connection.
15:22 trinque that one I'll restart later and see how it fares.
15:22 trinque if the walls have eyes, the tubes have apparently grown fingers
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15:45 asciilifeform trinque: you are probably being blackholes.
15:45 asciilifeform *blackholed
15:45 punkman *cornholed
15:47 asciilifeform trinque: as for hosts, unfortunately i cannot recommend anything at all.
15:47 asciilifeform other than - possibly - mircea_popescu's coming-soon thing
15:47 asciilifeform supposing that it comes, and works
15:47 asciilifeform but it is likely to be expensive.
15:48 trinque it is munching on the IP from mp successfully for now
15:51 ben_vulpes i suspect that the operational protocol must be "one node for the network, one node for infrastructure"
15:52 ben_vulpes eg if you want to run a node for infrastructure, you should -connect it to a synced node -addnode'd to the network at large.
15:55 trinque really needs the wotnet to function properly, and this still doesn't fix black holing, just mitm
15:56 trinque needs wotnet-radio
15:58 ben_vulpes i'm still kindastonished the thing never had encrypted connections.
16:00 ben_vulpes funkenstein_: your ip is leaking
16:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: how do you do encrypted connections without gossipd ?
16:01 trinque ben_vulpes: I'm glad the guy didn't just bolt ssl to the thing
16:01 trinque could've
16:01 asciilifeform trinque: hearn did !
16:01 trinque big surprise
16:02 punkman can ssh tunnel to trusted nodes
16:02 asciilifeform people do this, yes.
16:02 funkenstein_ thx. happy V day all
16:05 funkenstein_ trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps
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16:05 asciilifeform if anybody's gonna 'obediently fucks with the thing from within' it'll be a bitcoin-themed isp from somewhere far outside the wot.
16:09 punkman http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 lol
16:09 assbot From kafkatrap to honeytrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktx7KJ )
16:12 asciilifeform 'Linus is never alone at any conference. This is not because he lets fame go to his head and likes having a posse around. They have made multiple runs at him.'
16:14 mike_c I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM
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16:16 asciilifeform from the commentz: 'Why not honeytrap the honeytrappers with hidden audio/video recording devices? They might be illegal to use without consent in your jurisdiction, but then you need not reveal the recordings until you need to, and I don’t think “Arrest him for illegally recording evidence that proves my rape allegation was fake!” would fly.'
16:17 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315702 << Myself and MP.
16:17 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 09:47:50; copypaste: Who took his place, if anyone?
16:18 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315703 << Gotta watch the logs, but big transactions happen in deedbot
16:18 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 09:47:56; copypaste: I find it odd this wasn't mentioned.
16:19 asciilifeform 'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'
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16:31 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316024 << Don't have bong
16:31 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?
16:32 * asciilifeform misread as 'don't have dong'
16:32 asciilifeform which - perhaps - also would work
16:40 BingoBoingo lol
16:41 BingoBoingo My take on shrem though was the magazine profile where the reporter mentioned his smoking lamp out in the open made him irredeemably a "drug criminal" in the eyes of USG
16:44 asciilifeform it is why he 'had to have problems', rather than why he had problems
16:44 asciilifeform if this makes any sense
16:44 asciilifeform his public dope was an insult to the crown
16:44 asciilifeform an insult uttered in front of the cattle
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17:02 BingoBoingo yes
17:10 lobbes in other lulz: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/04/lally-deamicis-brockton-quincy-elections/
17:10 assbot Teen Candidates Win Elections In Brockton, Quincy « CBS Boston ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQsMe9 )
17:10 punkman and what of the 100 million people smoking/selling dope openly on twitter,facebook,youtube,topix,etc
17:10 punkman not insult to crown?
17:12 asciilifeform punkman: roland freisler only has so many blocks on his calendar.
17:15 shinohai ;;ticker
17:15 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 416.56, Best ask: 416.57, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 416.0, 24 hour volume: 234623.51943093, 24 hour low: 396.89, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None
17:15 shinohai dat fall
17:17 punkman ;;ticker --market all
17:17 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.13, vol: 98522.50357252 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.555, vol: 49462.91604 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 234623.51943093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 477.99, vol: 15.18921874 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 467.100624, vol: 125647.01910000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 407.5875, vol: 769.35246699 | Volume-weighted last average: 431.784334787
17:18 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:18 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 98532.00357252 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.0, vol: 49462.91604 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 422.78, vol: 234623.51943093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 477.99, vol: 15.18921874 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 470.439672, vol: 125652.90920000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.7185, vol: 769.40217199 | Volume-weighted last average: 433.890911628
17:18 shinohai kek
17:31 BingoBoingo It seems this current volatility is a delayed response to drama season. I predict moar wild swings as all this pent up drama acts on Bitcoin price after having been suppressed so long
17:34 jurov lol, bitcoin is ccoming out of the closet?
17:36 BingoBoingo Prolly
17:38 BingoBoingo Not even wrong http://blocksize.org/contra.html
17:38 assbot Blocksize BIP 103 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwRYhJ )
17:39 BingoBoingo WTF now rejecting BIPs is its own BIP
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17:58 deedbot- [Qntra] Fox Lake "Hero" Officer Accused of Suicide and Embezzlement - http://qntra.net/2015/11/fox-lake-hero-officer-accused-of-suicide-and-embezzlement/
18:03 asciilifeform !up imposter
18:03 imposter hello
18:04 imposter is this the trollbox?
18:04 BingoBoingo It is a Trollbox
18:04 asciilifeform nah this is the lolbox
18:04 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/QUus5
18:04 assbot Please don't "fat shame" in catbellies : catbellies ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwUZ1B )
18:05 BingoBoingo "While we can all agree that pet obesity is a problem, and obviously not healthy for our feline friends, please refrain from commenting here about it. Users have been banned, and I hate having to do it. So please don't make me."
18:05 BingoBoingo !up r0kit
18:05 shinohai srsly
18:05 imposter how can i bitcoin
18:05 BingoBoingo Sharpie in pooper?
18:05 shinohai hue
18:05 imposter how can to blockchain
18:05 imposter waht do private keyy
18:05 BingoBoingo ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
18:05 gribble They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; February 2013 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>; Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
18:05 r0kit hi all
18:06 imposter sup f3kit
18:06 r0kit free fallin is up
18:08 jurov or write code on ur manboobs
18:08 shinohai Classic BingoBoingo .... I thought I remembered you getting someone to do sharpie-in-bunghole on CC one night.
18:11 imposter r0kit are we rich yet?
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18:11 BingoBoingo shinohai: I didn't start it, hanbot did on bitcointalk
18:12 shinohai Is there anything hanbot can't do?
18:15 asciilifeform !down imposter
18:15 asciilifeform !down r0kit
18:18 mircea_popescu !ticker
18:18 assbot Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
18:18 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
18:19 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.98, Best ask: 399.25, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 398.77, 24 hour volume: 261789.41865278, 24 hour low: 366.66, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None
18:19 mircea_popescu o hey back to 400 ?
18:19 mircea_popescu what a day.
18:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform say wut ?
18:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see thread
18:19 mircea_popescu mk will be a moment.
18:19 asciilifeform short ver: prolly my overactive imagination
18:20 * asciilifeform spent more or less his entire free time in the past 2 wks reverse-engineering and auditing gpg, incl. compiled binaries. this has a certain effect on the soul.
18:21 shinohai relax and have some tea or something. sheesh.
18:21 asciilifeform shinohai: how could any of it be done without tea
18:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315850 << kinda how the shittrain is ordered currently, but seems far from optimal.
18:22 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 17:14:50; trinque: asciilifeform: idea being bitcoind uses -connect=proxy and the proxy handles the other end?
18:22 asciilifeform ^ can't accept incoming sockets if you -connect
18:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a) no depressed is ever logical ; b) no depressed ever admits to this.
18:23 * asciilifeform powerless in the face of this magic
18:25 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315896 << what's mk ?
18:25 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 17:30:46; kakobrekla: move to MK, rent a flat for 100 bux, a better one than my ex barrel.
18:25 mircea_popescu oh nm.
18:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315904 << among them, vin diesel.
18:26 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 17:35:49; asciilifeform: we have a kind of 'barrel' in usa - there is a caste of folks who live in converted 'trailers'
18:27 asciilifeform and marie antoinette lived in a peasant hutch, aha.
18:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315946 << the notion that those matter is obscene.
18:28 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:00:34; asciilifeform: and for every brian micon that needs to be tried for 'illegal bitcoining' you have 1,001 schmucks who were afraid to even read about it because 'they log my packetz'
18:29 shinohai I have tinfoil over mah ethernet cables, I'm safe.
18:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they don't matter outside of the leprosorium, no
18:29 mircea_popescu or inside.
18:29 asciilifeform but i happen to be inside.
18:29 mircea_popescu who the fuck cares what derpy popcollar aspie[rational] mba does or doesn't do.
18:30 mircea_popescu hey, i like that. aspie[rational]. it describes so very much, from the bayesian pseudoscientards to web analytics derps.
18:31 asciilifeform elsewhere i noted the example of hobby chemistry - where also it seemed that 'how could it possibly matter what derpy kids dare or don't dare to do, and whether they can get ingredients' but it turned out to.
18:31 asciilifeform as in, the whole field pretty much died - at least on this side of the atlantic
18:32 ben_vulpes http://matrix.org/
18:32 assbot Matrix.org | A new basis for open, distributed, real-time communication ... ( http://bit.ly/1WARu56 )
18:32 mircea_popescu next i'm gonna read about how the us mattered scientifically at some point in its history ?
18:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ick
18:32 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: go on...
18:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: very briefly, 1870-1970 or so.
18:33 shinohai protonmail still under ddos hue
18:33 mircea_popescu re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.
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18:33 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform powerless in the face of this magic << Serenity to accept the things that cannot change, courage to change the things that can, wisdom to know the difference (TM)(R)
18:33 mircea_popescu the solutions proposed aren't very good, but this does not make the problem go away
18:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i fail to see it as anything other than john smithing.
18:33 mircea_popescu to me he's the archetypical ustardian scientist.
18:34 mircea_popescu "translating" "ancient egyptian" with rocks in a hat.
18:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tricky bit. the folks who mattered (nick t., o. lilienfeld - semiconductor, the lot) weren't u.s. bred
18:34 asciilifeform but they did their thing there, because cheap moneyz.
18:34 mircea_popescu quite.
18:34 mircea_popescu to that sort of thing, there isn't a there.
18:35 mircea_popescu there only is a who.
18:35 * asciilifeform to the extent he is good for anything, isn't really a product of usa either
18:35 mircea_popescu which is why the republic doesn't (and currently shouldn't) be a place.
18:35 mircea_popescu it should be a who.
18:35 asciilifeform still gotta park the whos somewhere.
18:35 mircea_popescu not so.
18:35 mircea_popescu gotta park the hos anywhere.
18:35 mircea_popescu that's a chief point on the ho training schedule.
18:36 BingoBoingo !b 4
18:36 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07M8JR5.txt )
18:38 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316243 << at one point (see old logz) i came very close to solving this. basic idea is to set up a dynamic equilibrium situation where anyone who deviates from correct wallclock time becomes prey in proportion to this deviation.
18:38 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 23:33:14; mircea_popescu: re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.
18:38 mircea_popescu anyway, why are we even discussing the nlocktime thing ? lot of version 4 blocks or what ?
18:38 asciilifeform but unfortunately i have not the time and energy to flesh this out into a working mechanism
18:39 mircea_popescu the best thing you can do for it is to get the pogo ready to go.
18:39 * asciilifeform ^ ought to have an abbreviation for the above.
18:39 mircea_popescu we aren't relaying nonconformant blocks.
18:39 * asciilifeform sure as fuck won't be
18:39 mircea_popescu this is not the same thing.
18:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315984 << this is inept policy. the correct move is not to care.
18:40 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:20:23; asciilifeform: so into iptables it goes.
18:40 mircea_popescu if you care, then the argument is why do you care about this but not thatr, and sooner or later you won't notice one.
18:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i realized this when it was too late.
18:40 asciilifeform and i had already mentioned it.
18:40 mircea_popescu ask first, act after.
18:40 mircea_popescu k
18:41 mircea_popescu my god these strawberries are great.
18:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315996 << lmao you don't understand how the world works.
18:41 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:27:40; asciilifeform: i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.
18:42 mircea_popescu treasonous nsa subdirectorate head got done for "killing people" the [meanwhile deceased] chief of police killed.
18:42 mircea_popescu you're a weirdo, so my money's on you going for "sex crimes".
18:42 * asciilifeform will have to study hard for this one
18:42 BingoBoingo Let us not forget unsolvable police killing becomes suicide of disgrace http://qntra.net/2015/11/fox-lake-hero-officer-accused-of-suicide-and-embezzlement/
18:42 assbot Fox Lake "Hero" Officer Accused of Suicide and Embezzlement | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMjHUI )
18:42 mircea_popescu lmao accused of suicide
18:43 BingoBoingo Seriously
18:43 mircea_popescu that place is so lulzy...
18:43 BingoBoingo accused of suicide
18:43 BingoBoingo Tis a felony here
18:43 BingoBoingo Not attempting, but succeeding
18:43 asciilifeform l0l do they help finish ya off
18:43 mircea_popescu like it was in spain.
18:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nope, just shuttle you to the trailer living caste
18:44 * shinohai is a proponent of legal euthanasia.
18:44 asciilifeform shinohai: all of us has legal euthanasia. just point a pen knife at a cop.
18:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316024 <<< ahahaha what!
18:45 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?
18:45 shinohai I prefer wine laced with hemlock but whatevs.
18:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was in reference to the carder episode
18:45 mircea_popescu the "thread" isn't a thread nor does it make it any clearer. what magic talismans are you asking of ?
18:45 mircea_popescu i still don';t get it.
18:45 asciilifeform none, realized the correct answer at the end.
18:45 mircea_popescu aite.
18:46 shinohai Anyoone ever notice te striking resemblnce between Gavin & Porky Pig ?
18:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.
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18:46 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:47:41; jurov: we will draft it if anyone has serious interest
18:47 BingoBoingo http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature16057.html << Note they decline to identify the antiboitic in the conjugate without paying for the paper, leaving open the possibility one of the many agents more effective than vancomycin was used.
18:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMk9SW )
18:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316034 << a) get out of the us. now. shut the rationalizations, i really don't want to hear them, there's no excuse ; b) make a pile of dead droppable content ; c) surround yourself with angry people with guns, bonus points if female.
18:47 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
18:48 mircea_popescu in that order.
18:48 BingoBoingo WOrthless abstract
18:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you forgot: the broomstick.
18:48 asciilifeform which i suppose is d)
18:48 mircea_popescu as v.i.lenin said, people who get involved in revolutions best learn to like prison food.
18:49 mircea_popescu i think it was in http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/
18:49 assbot Cine se casatoreste... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMkmWp )
18:49 asciilifeform in all fairness, the prison lenin sat in was a joke compared to present-day
18:49 asciilifeform you could just up and walk out.
18:50 mircea_popescu anyway, in the general, this is the closed form life equation of people doing something worthwhile : they have a terrible time as kids because their parents are idiots ; they get fucking stampeded as adults, because people are lazy ; they get all the accolades, moneys and bitches when they're old, because it doesn't do anything for them anymore (thus it's finally safe) ; once they're dead they get to be the face sellin
18:50 mircea_popescu g whatever stupid shit, because they can no longer protest.
18:51 asciilifeform sop.
18:51 mircea_popescu not likely to change for you.
18:51 * asciilifeform has a very special loathing for 'tesla' car, solely on account of the name abuse
18:51 mircea_popescu fine example.
18:52 asciilifeform there is, i regret to say, also an 'intel edison' (small pc thing)
18:52 mircea_popescu they had a bullshit college in ro, which yielded http://trilema.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/
18:52 assbot N-am putea sa avem si noi on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMkDbM )
18:52 asciilifeform and there was even an 'nvidia tesla' gpu card.
18:52 asciilifeform let's not forget galois corporation
18:52 mircea_popescu (rthere should be an office to approve usage of names for purposes, consisting of a clerk with a REJECTED stamp)
18:52 asciilifeform i could carry on, but why.
18:53 asciilifeform most don't get to stage 3 though.
18:54 asciilifeform just skip straight to dead.
18:55 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316047 <<< this is such a deep misrepresentation of the shrem thing as to boggle the mind.
18:55 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:54:25; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: usg algo is, as i understand: 1) pick a fella who needs to have problems 2) steer known scum to his $thing 3) have it be established that he knows of (2) 4) pick him up as a thieves' fence
18:56 * asciilifeform will admit that he did not closely follow the case
18:56 mircea_popescu do you actually know what happened there and deliberately misrepresent or do you just use in your thought process things you understand at fishwrap level ?
18:56 mircea_popescu well looky here! why are you using things you don't know!
18:56 asciilifeform because i have 36 hands and they're all full ?
18:56 mircea_popescu do you program like this too ? "fuck knows what this function does but the name seems to have the right number of vowels" ?
18:56 mircea_popescu !up Cristina
18:56 mircea_popescu this is not an excuse.
18:56 mircea_popescu if you can't do something right don't do it.
18:57 asciilifeform sometimes it tries to do me, however.
18:57 mircea_popescu so ?
18:58 mircea_popescu derp conspired with some other derp to break the very promises he made in writing to the usg!
18:58 mircea_popescu how many degrees of separation is this ? didja sign a promise to the usg to police the blockchain ?
18:58 asciilifeform iirc it went something like 'shrem sold a candybar to dpr while knowing what dpr did'
18:58 mircea_popescu mno.
18:58 * asciilifeform goes and reads.
18:58 mircea_popescu shrem registered as a money transmitter, and named himself as the agent in charge of making sure ustardation is implemented.
18:59 mircea_popescu then shrem met some derp at a bar and they came up with a plan which consisted of shrem not noticing the derp is doing the opposite
18:59 mircea_popescu then the derp told on him.
18:59 asciilifeform i think i realized what i did here
18:59 asciilifeform confused the florida fool for shrem
18:59 asciilifeform what was that one's name...
18:59 mircea_popescu who, the death&taxes dude ?
19:00 BingoBoingo Gerland I thought wasn't florida, but Shrem had a florida dude
19:00 asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2014/12/judge-rejects-florida-mans-bid-to-dismiss-case << this one, i think
19:00 assbot Judge Rejects Florida Man's Bid to Dismiss Case | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMllFU )
19:01 * mircea_popescu shrug
19:01 mircea_popescu typical "do not live in the us" fodder.
19:01 asciilifeform no shortage of this, mircea_popescu
19:02 mircea_popescu could get "caught" in a "sting" for selling a used fridge for 525 dollars
19:02 asciilifeform i fully expect to.
19:03 mircea_popescu supermarkets here want to see id for cash payments over ~100 dollars. everyone else pays you a discount because well, they don't actually report/pay the tax.
19:03 asciilifeform wai wat
19:03 mircea_popescu incomprehensibly, a few people still use the supermarkets.
19:03 asciilifeform where?!
19:03 asciilifeform in ar ?
19:03 mircea_popescu everywhere ? yeah.
19:03 asciilifeform l0l!!
19:03 asciilifeform turns out usa is 'land of ze phreeedom'
19:03 asciilifeform no id for cash.
19:03 asciilifeform spend a whole sack.
19:04 asciilifeform (just don't be found with it at traffic stop)
19:04 mircea_popescu i love it, really. it's basically a tax on supermarkets.
19:04 mircea_popescu (but ftr, china is land of the freedom. they actually and specifically do not do any of the aml bs.)
19:05 asciilifeform let's try a phun experiment:
19:05 asciilifeform ;;google m_debug gpg never worked
19:05 gribble Using the GNU Privacy Guard: GPG Configuration Options - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/GPG-Configuration-Options.html>; gpg manpage - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/gph/de/manual/r1023.html>; Using the GNU Privacy Guard: GPG Esoteric Options - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/GPG-Esoteric-Options.html>
19:05 mircea_popescu here's a tidbit : all "named" banks actually operate under license, separately. because the chinese will strangle you if you actually send info over.
19:05 asciilifeform hm. from my ip it ends in on log.b-a
19:05 mircea_popescu and so the westerners are too petrified by the double whammy, and can't operate themselves.
19:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i see what gribble sees.
19:06 asciilifeform unsurprise.
19:07 * asciilifeform collected five versions of gpg, not in one is the thing actually implemented
19:07 asciilifeform ergo the last time anyone could have easily tested the allocator is - at the very latest - 1997
19:07 asciilifeform supposing it were ever tested
19:08 asciilifeform and (and i could go on and on) the thing is implemented in a profoundly braindamaged way
19:08 asciilifeform as a kind of reimplementation of malloc that... uses malloc internally for the segments !
19:08 asciilifeform how hard would it have been to allot a static buffer at warmup ?!!!!!
19:09 asciilifeform how easy it would have been to bitwalk it (like the braindead 'secmem' thing in gpg insists on doing PER SEGMENT !!?!!!)
19:09 mircea_popescu you're not trying to argue that gpg is to be replaced are you ?
19:09 asciilifeform i'm trying to salvage what is salvageable.
19:09 asciilifeform and the answer turns out to be 'precious little'
19:09 mircea_popescu aite. nothing wrong with putting the many warts in the log, either
19:09 mircea_popescu just, you sound so indignantly surprised.
19:10 asciilifeform i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'
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19:11 asciilifeform someone worked astonishingly hard to make this thing a nearly-incomprehensible morass.
19:12 asciilifeform incidentally - there is a very convenient 1-byte flag, that, if 'poked', will instantly cause gpg to use ordinary (paged) memory.
19:13 asciilifeform this is AT RUNTIME
19:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316085 << not so.
19:13 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 19:30:55; asciilifeform: incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'
19:13 mircea_popescu people tend to use the same exact hdd in raid
19:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and how is one to conspire with the others ?
19:14 asciilifeform if each holds a reed-solomon stripe
19:14 asciilifeform let's say there are 4 of'em.
19:14 mircea_popescu i suppose i should have said "not necessarily"
19:14 asciilifeform which is why i said 'when used correctly'
19:14 mircea_popescu aha. yea.
19:15 asciilifeform but yes, if the disks 'know' (somehow) that you have a raid-5 of n disks, using a particular controller, they could, e.g., 'agree' to return a patched boot sector.
19:16 asciilifeform but they must know without fail. otherwise the offending disk gets thrown out.
19:16 mircea_popescu not like this doesn't happen
19:16 mircea_popescu think about it.,.. well, i dunno how much experience you have with it, but
19:16 mircea_popescu "fail new disk" error rate seems to be 5 to 10x higher in raid setups than in solo setups.
19:16 mircea_popescu .... why ?
19:17 asciilifeform because a solo will happily carry on with a rotten disk ?
19:17 asciilifeform how's he to know
19:17 asciilifeform a solo disk doesn't get thrown out, typically, until it begins to smoke
19:17 mircea_popescu perhaps.
19:18 asciilifeform raid also tends to be used by folks who run boxes 24/7, and hot
19:18 asciilifeform which brings out the duds.
19:18 asciilifeform another thing is that the drives usually share power rail and one can cascade-kill the rest
19:18 shinohai see bitcointalk going down every 2 weeks for an example of shitty raid configs.
19:19 asciilifeform (it is an inductive load, thinkaboutit)
19:19 mircea_popescu says Hansjoerg Mueller of the Alternative for Germany party.
19:19 mircea_popescu ahahah.\
19:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform inductive ? not for ssds, no ?
19:20 asciilifeform no.
19:20 asciilifeform mechanicals.
19:20 asciilifeform ssds are, as a general rule, made of old toilet paper, however.
19:20 asciilifeform (or may as well be)
19:21 BingoBoingo for the cockroachologists: "The Patriots tight end claimed in a recent published memoir -- which he totally wrote all by himself -- that he has yet to touch one dime of his signing bonus or NFL contract money and that everything he has been spending has come from endorsements." http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/156348992/rob-gronkowski-money-advice-gronkonomics
19:21 assbot Rob Gronkowski offers financial tips ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMn4v0 )
19:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316103 << code to properly handle the republic's own nodes would be a good move forward.
19:22 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:17; trinque: two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-
19:22 mircea_popescu i think you probably recall the design discussions for this ?
19:22 asciilifeform the most basic thing would be to permit a static nodelist.
19:22 asciilifeform (snarfed up at warmup)
19:23 asciilifeform with the selector respecting ordering.
19:23 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
19:23 gribble Current Blocks: 382088 | Current Difficulty: 6.225398244976082E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 383039 | Next Difficulty In: 951 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
19:23 mircea_popescu i'm up to date, 105 connections.
19:23 mircea_popescu a ton of orphan blasting, looking through the logs, but they don't actually do anything to me.
19:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316104 << sadly, no.
19:24 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:41; trinque: and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host
19:25 mircea_popescu finding a solution to the hosting problem, a ~correct~ solution is actually higher priority than anything else atm.
19:25 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316307 it was drafted and submitted to mpex and havelock, that did not work out, so we just coasted on.
19:25 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 23:46:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.
19:25 mircea_popescu but pretty much the only thing western kids wanna do is derp with webdev ; and the eastern kids wanna polish the kalash.
19:25 asciilifeform btw bucephalus up for 44 days contiguous
19:25 mircea_popescu nobody wants to do anything useful.
19:25 asciilifeform 46 conns
19:26 * asciilifeform wants useful but there is only one of him
19:26 mircea_popescu eh dun take it personally, i'm talking of everyone else.
19:26 asciilifeform l0l
19:26 mircea_popescu "if you don't read it - it's for you"
19:26 * asciilifeform mildly surprised that bucephalus has not exhausted memory quite yet
19:27 asciilifeform but it is very close.
19:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316132 << mno.
19:28 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 21:05:09; funkenstein_: trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps
19:28 asciilifeform b. has 4G of addressable ram. it is approx. the size of a hardcover book, and lives in a locked cage.
19:28 mircea_popescu derpy resellers are right out. machines in natoland are right out. derps unable/unwilling to wot are right out. etc.
19:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cage where ?
19:29 asciilifeform usa.
19:29 asciilifeform in a run-down part of town. office, not datacentre.
19:30 mircea_popescu mk
19:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316137 << MOOOO
19:30 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 21:14:52; mike_c: I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM
19:30 asciilifeform whole thing services by ancient 10mb link
19:30 asciilifeform *serviced
19:31 mircea_popescu http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 << certainly. this is how stupid women go for attention, ever since 6th grade.
19:31 assbot From kafkatrap to honeytrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktx7KJ )
19:31 mircea_popescu a society that doesn't bitchslap them opens itself to this sort of gunkification.
19:33 mircea_popescu a very simple solution is, "never fuck newbies without at least one slavegirl participating"
19:33 mircea_popescu but i can foresee alf going "broomstick" at me.
19:33 mircea_popescu yet it's not my fault the models you all learned as children are constructed to serve your society, not your own needs and interests.
19:34 mircea_popescu learn better models or drone on, whatevs.
19:34 asciilifeform better model often asks one to die
19:34 BingoBoingo Nah, makes perfect sense you gotta bring your own orgy to the one night stand
19:34 mircea_popescu always.
19:34 asciilifeform because - elementarily - not room for many mircea_popescu on one planet.
19:34 mircea_popescu better model; always asks current ego to die because current ego is a piece of shit.
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19:35 asciilifeform !s chicken also wants
19:35 assbot 3 results for 'chicken also wants' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chicken+also+wants
19:35 asciilifeform http://www.ruthenia.ru/folklore/neckludov19.htm
19:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMo1mS )
19:35 asciilifeform ^ canonical.
19:35 mircea_popescu btw does that carry any petuk subtext ?
19:36 asciilifeform quite possibly.
19:36 asciilifeform 'Цыпленок тоже хочет жить.'
19:37 asciilifeform http://a-pesni.org/dvor/cyplenok.php << moar history
19:37 assbot Неизв. авторы - Цыпленок жареный (с нотами и видео) ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMo4PI )
19:38 asciilifeform specifically 'образ "цыпленка пареного" как символ обывателя, который "просто хочет жить"' >> the image of a steamed chicken as a symbol of a jwz who 'only wants to live'
19:39 * mircea_popescu is sadly too busy to pursue this folklore angle.
19:39 * asciilifeform leaves it in the logz for the idlerz
19:39 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHQDpGv19kM
19:40 assbot Аркадий Северный Цыпленок жареный - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMog1e )
19:40 asciilifeform ^ prison version
19:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316143 << this stupidity is perhaps the finest exercise in "how to fuck up women under the guise of protecting their rights".
19:41 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 21:19:42; asciilifeform: 'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'
19:41 mircea_popescu who suffers ? the middling comnpetent female.
19:41 asciilifeform hey the chicken just wants to live
19:41 mircea_popescu which is EXACTLY the sort the female-politics niggers HATE to see
19:41 asciilifeform or what, you think a prof can afford to defend himself ?
19:41 mircea_popescu if all females were she-rakims their life would be so smooth.
19:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't mind in the slightest - more flesh for me.
19:42 mircea_popescu to pick among.
19:42 asciilifeform i thought mircea_popescu considered most of said flesh far too contaminated for any practical use
19:43 mircea_popescu depends how determined & obedient.
19:43 mircea_popescu it is, contrary (to whose surprise ?) to what the derps try to tell them, pretty much the only important characteristic.
19:44 mircea_popescu i can teach constitutional law to a rodent that's obedient and determined, enough of it at any rate to surpass the present mulatto in chief.
19:44 asciilifeform eh that last one's not so hard
19:44 mircea_popescu nevertheless.
19:51 mircea_popescu lol is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315827 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316197 supposed to be like, trolling or something ?
19:51 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 17:05:49; mircea_popescu: are we broke yet ?
19:51 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 23:11:00; imposter: r0kit are we rich yet?
19:55 mircea_popescu "How long would it take for Toyota to start living up to these accusations in earnest? And why should it not do so? What is to be gained from corporate sainthood?" << "De ce te uiti de parca ti-am furat ceva. Daca tot te uiti asa, mai bine ti-as fura."
19:55 mircea_popescu falsely complain of rape ? get raped. might as well.
19:55 mircea_popescu what exactly does one have to gain by NOT doing it ?
19:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in english they say 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'
19:56 mircea_popescu not the same sentiment.
19:56 mircea_popescu i think maybe the white rapper guy had some verse to the point
19:56 mircea_popescu my memory fails me
19:56 pete_dushenski more of a double jeopardy
19:57 pete_dushenski white rapper = eminem ?
19:57 mircea_popescu aha
19:59 BingoBoingo white rapper = Little Debbie?
19:59 mircea_popescu (the original, ie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZrgcSQRN0U says "why do you look at me as if i stole from you ? if you're gonna do that, i might as well...)
19:59 assbot B.U.G. Mafia - Cuvinte Grele (feat. Puya, Luchian, Maximilian, Pacha Man & ViLLy) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf0rvQ )
20:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but entertain me, for my own education, on a purely business matter of some public interest.
20:00 asciilifeform shoot
20:01 mircea_popescu i could spend money to have eulora interface translated into some sort of an iapp. it'd prolly work, more or less. i... aren't bothering myself with actually doing this.
20:01 mircea_popescu do you not count it as an example of developer eschewing the monopoly ? and to apple's detriment ?
20:01 asciilifeform it'd have to be sideloaded
20:01 mircea_popescu sure, they got a monopoly on all the candy crush. so ?
20:01 mircea_popescu hm ?
20:01 mircea_popescu what is "sideloaded" ?
20:01 asciilifeform run solely on cracked machines
20:02 mircea_popescu why ?
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20:02 asciilifeform apple demands that any transfer of value of whatever kind inside an ipnohe proggy happen using their system
20:02 asciilifeform with their vig taken.
20:02 mircea_popescu there is no "transfer of value" within eulora
20:02 asciilifeform ergo no bitcoinatronic apps period.
20:02 mircea_popescu 100% free app, i charge for nothing.
20:02 mircea_popescu same thing as with steam : i would not even accept money from them.
20:02 asciilifeform aha but the first time anyone thinks of using it to move coin, it gets pulled.
20:03 mircea_popescu because how ?
20:03 mircea_popescu they're gonna what, police users ?
20:03 asciilifeform as a non-player, am i mistaken that one can move btc using eulora .. ?
20:03 mircea_popescu but forget this nonsense, focus on the business interest.
20:03 mircea_popescu so : there is a thing. it doesn't go there. to their detriment. what of the monopoly ?
20:03 mircea_popescu or you're proposing that I need ~them~ or something ?
20:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, very apparently, does not need the kolhoz, no.
20:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can move btc using email, too. what of it ? your problem.
20:04 mircea_popescu but the point is important, in light of your article.
20:04 asciilifeform when i wrote that piece, there was a very temporary phenomenon where the small-time independent programmer appeared to be a thing again
20:04 asciilifeform like in the mid '90s 'shareware scene'
20:05 mircea_popescu so s.mg is excepted because it's... big ?
20:05 asciilifeform because it doesn't actually need anything from anyone.
20:05 mircea_popescu but this is true of all success, ever.
20:05 mircea_popescu ipad didn't get any fortress-whatever that's called action either.
20:05 asciilifeform i wasn't speaking of success, but of a living wage in the leprosorium.
20:05 asciilifeform s.mg does not live in the leprosorium.
20:05 mircea_popescu in fact, and i had this deeply reviewed, ipad is an approximation of "Flash games"/arcade website, which was always a bit player.
20:05 mircea_popescu they have like... 3 types of games, and rehashed ad nauseam.
20:06 mircea_popescu want me to describe ?
20:06 asciilifeform today - yes. it transitioned to the spamatronic cargo cult phase
20:06 mircea_popescu imo they failed unconscionably at this.
20:06 asciilifeform where everything is an imitation of a cheap imitation.
20:06 mircea_popescu right.
20:06 mircea_popescu and they HAD, 5 years ago, a thing.
20:06 asciilifeform had, aha.
20:06 mircea_popescu missed by a mile, they weren't even shooting towards it.
20:06 asciilifeform today 'steam' appears to be doing the temporary 'having' of that thing
20:06 mircea_popescu right.
20:06 asciilifeform tomorrow it'll be another, similar.
20:07 mircea_popescu and i'm marginally consdiering them (iirc was in the logs), but also kind-of meh.
20:07 asciilifeform it's a kolhoz
20:07 asciilifeform all kolhoz follow the same dynamic, afaik.
20:07 mircea_popescu and the reason is, apparently, that steam doesn't have the wisdom to have expert packagers out there looking for work.
20:07 mircea_popescu which is what i/bezos would have done as #1 thing to do.
20:07 mircea_popescu it's very strange how stupid perpetuates itself in that market, in spite of better exampled extant, and well publicised.
20:07 asciilifeform at any rate, i (and $maxint others) will port $whateverthefuckyouwant to, e.g., cray II. for a fee.
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20:08 mircea_popescu it's almost like the dating market : some people are decent at picking up c hicks, and the losers watch them do it and... still suck.
20:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would honestly think it's a waste of your time to do this ?
20:08 asciilifeform you know that's how i waste most of it, right ?
20:08 mircea_popescu not that it's not open to folk wanting the work and +wot centrality, but hey.
20:08 asciilifeform doing wurk to make rentz.
20:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, that may be, but i do not waste most of my money downshifting people. in general i waste it upshifting people.
20:09 mircea_popescu hence "pay for your tits" schemes etc.
20:09 mircea_popescu course... people are talented at resisting it, but hey :D
20:14 mircea_popescu "You want a non-tyrannical Apple? Rather than striving to weaken Apple so that it can be devoured by its brawny-yet-mindless competitors, do something constructive. Experiment with GUIs which don’t trace their descent to Xerox PARC. Forever renounce the idiotic practice of copying Microsoft, that cheap imitation of a cheap imitation. If you are creative, create. Otherwise, strive to find a strong-willed Jobs fig
20:14 mircea_popescu ure gifted with good taste, and become his loyal servant."
20:14 mircea_popescu wow, this is 2010 too ?!
20:14 BingoBoingo !s five words
20:14 assbot 8 results for 'five words' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=five+words
20:14 asciilifeform aha
20:16 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo which one ?
20:16 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The hang with words one. Finally doing the Severance/sheriff piece
20:16 BingoBoingo Cardinal Richelieu
20:17 mircea_popescu ah right
20:19 trinque bitcoind trashing the debug.log each time has got to go
20:19 mircea_popescu word.
20:19 mircea_popescu poor trinque fell into a soup.
20:19 trinque it's good for a guy
20:19 asciilifeform trinque: there was a patch. iirc it didn't make it in for some trivial reason
20:19 trinque I'll have a taste of some low-hanging fruit this weekend
20:23 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316402 <--> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304
20:23 assbot Logged on 05-11-2015 00:10:19; asciilifeform: i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'
20:23 assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf1EmX )
20:23 pete_dushenski twas ol' decimation ftr
20:24 asciilifeform was, wasn't it.
20:29 pete_dushenski http://www.nhregister.com/government-and-politics/20151101/cops-to-grab-unlocked-stuff-from-cars-in-east-rock-area-x2014-for-safekeeping << one for BingoBoingo
20:29 assbot Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area — for safekeeping ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf1Xy0 )
20:29 BingoBoingo lol sure you don't want it pete_dushenski
20:30 trinque jurov: pls switch disgests on the mailing list to off for me; I cannot
20:30 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315736 << the way to do it is gpg --homedir /tmp/dirthatyoumadefortheoccasion << got it. will work on this tonight.
20:30 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 13:43:59; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?
20:30 trinque *digests
20:30 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: you're the u.s. legal/policing expert 'round these parts :)
20:31 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Alright
20:31 pete_dushenski security and finance are my qntra fortes
20:33 BingoBoingo Sometimes it can help to branch out
20:34 deedbot- [Qntra] Man Convicted as Serial Killer Over Circumstantial Evidence - http://qntra.net/2015/11/man-convicted-as-serial-killer-over-circumstantial-evidence/
20:35 jurov trinque you should be set
20:36 trinque jurov: :) ty
20:37 mircea_popescu the circumserial killer.
20:37 asciilifeform how come nobody says 'parallel killer'
20:39 pete_dushenski not everyone's shiva
20:40 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316544 << the back-and-forth over gpg registration would be entertaining, at least
20:40 assbot Logged on 05-11-2015 01:02:00; mircea_popescu: why ?
20:41 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> how come nobody says 'parallel killer' << Like McVeigh?
20:41 trinque the nazis had quite the multiprocessing going for a time
20:42 pete_dushenski mao too
20:47 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes for my curiosity, does your outfit hire ?
20:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: spiffy article. but fails to mention that the writings of s. have not (afaik - has anyone tried hard?) been seen by the public; nor is it publicly known how and where usg obtained them (it is known, iirc, that they were NOT public)
20:50 asciilifeform by all indications, they jailed the crippled man and ransacked his home.
20:50 asciilifeform where they found some schizo notebook of his
20:50 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Aha, hinted but yes a point for the comments!
20:50 mircea_popescu which we know was "of his" because washington post would never lie.
20:51 asciilifeform and stitched it into something for the jury.
20:51 asciilifeform aha.
20:51 asciilifeform 'his.'
20:51 asciilifeform the whole thing smells as strongly as anyone might wish, of usg pushing the bounds of the possible.
20:52 BingoBoingo Definitely for the comments, because I was not thinking of this part
20:52 asciilifeform this, in short, is why i found the case interesting to begin with...
20:53 asciilifeform in ru we say the case was 'stitched together'
20:53 asciilifeform or 'stitched with white thread'
20:53 mircea_popescu "|Ulanoff completely fails to examine this "oh yeah, we suck in some areas claim". Why? The guy's a "car reporter". No more, no less. If he says negative things about the companies that pay his salary, he gets fired and the publication for whom he works never gets another scoop/lead/exclusive." << BUT WHY ?
20:53 mircea_popescu "because the public doesn't matter." ah, okay.
20:53 mircea_popescu so then...
20:54 asciilifeform (this comes from old notebooks having held together with thread, that turned dark with dirt and age. when pages were inserted or removed surreptitiously, new thread was often used to stitch the thing back)
20:54 asciilifeform hence the application to spurious criminal cases.
20:54 asciilifeform white thread.
20:54 BingoBoingo aha
20:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate' -- missing a dash
20:55 asciilifeform killing -- the real estate
20:55 asciilifeform --
20:56 BingoBoingo "Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead killing the sheriff." better?
20:57 asciilifeform still can't parse
20:57 mircea_popescu "Apple's fabrication partners appear to be taking the opposite approach, which is to select parts whose tolerance errors cancel each other out." << this is wartime engineering.
20:57 mircea_popescu that's how the nazis were beaten.
20:58 mircea_popescu +-5% mechanical parts and patience.
20:58 asciilifeform it is soviet sop.
20:58 BingoBoingo "Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead of killing the sheriff." << better?
20:58 asciilifeform was ~the only~ way to get functioning circuits, for instance.
20:58 asciilifeform (chix with bucketz sorting transistors)
20:58 asciilifeform phun phakt, the reject parts went to... schools
20:58 mircea_popescu i don't recall who had this display of "100 ohm resistors" that measured from 30 to a whopping 1.5k
20:58 mircea_popescu aha
20:59 asciilifeform which is how my brother still doesn't fully believe, in his gut heart, that physics works
20:59 asciilifeform he learned on the 1.5k 100ohm resistors.
20:59 mircea_popescu gutheart lol
21:00 asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#654839
21:00 assbot Logged on 02-05-2014 02:36:33; asciilifeform: decimation: for some reason, this reminds me of a tale my consulting partner (physicist, grew up in india, 1970s) told me. students would qualify on instruments that barely worked, but belonged, to, e.g. the great Bose.
21:01 mod6 asciilifeform: are you impartial to /tmp instead of ~/gnupgtmp ? I just put in the changes and this is what gpg spit back at me: http://dpaste.com/23A824E.txt
21:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMur5G )
21:02 asciilifeform mod6: home dir is prolly the correct approach
21:02 asciilifeform mod6: see if perl doesn't have a built-in notion of temp dirs
21:02 mod6 ah, similar to your py implementation? i'll take a look.
21:02 asciilifeform 'v' doesn't deal in secrets, ergo the actual location is unimportant.
21:02 mircea_popescu and in today's milking news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/91c1efcf80578e17d367a6cfc6d97787/tumblr_miljedZhkU1rdbtrjo1_1280.jpg
21:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMuuhM )
21:04 mod6 at first glance, looks like one needs to "use File::Tempdir", so will veer away from that.
21:07 asciilifeform homedir oughta work, but the trick is that you gotta know that it's one you made, every time
21:07 asciilifeform and not one that was previously lying around, that is now about to have its contents zapped
21:07 asciilifeform in lisp parlance, it has to be a 'gensym'
21:08 asciilifeform -- a unique thing that never was and never will be again.
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21:08 asciilifeform (literally)
21:08 mircea_popescu q : wouldn't the right way to do this be, "gen session key" ?
21:08 asciilifeform it would, if there were secretz
21:08 mircea_popescu so what if they aren't ?
21:09 mircea_popescu it does offer a firm guarantee that "always the one you made"
21:09 mod6 my thought was to create if it doesn't exist, otherwise die. and delete at the end of execution. however there is a scenario where if for instance a seal exists from a key that is not in the wot and the application exits before main returns.
21:09 mircea_popescu gen memory key, keep it in a file keyed thus, delete on finish.
21:09 asciilifeform create in such a way that creation fails if dir existed. problem solved.
21:09 mircea_popescu you can still be lied to.
21:09 asciilifeform sure.
21:10 mircea_popescu symlinks among others
21:10 asciilifeform and at the end of the day, 'v' is a unix proggy and isn't even a compiled thing, and utterly depends on 1,000,001 things that no one has examined since 1991.
21:10 mircea_popescu true.
21:10 mircea_popescu just a thought.
21:11 mod6 i guess i could hash the epoch time and append it to the dir name, store it as a global for "session" key.
21:11 mircea_popescu how's a time dependency help you ?
21:11 mircea_popescu "time" is not your friend.
21:11 mod6 just something unique to when executed.
21:12 asciilifeform this kind of thing can only be implemented as a global thing.
21:12 mod6 hmm.
21:12 mod6 i don't wanna over complicate this to begin with.
21:13 asciilifeform 'fortunately' it can't be done at all on unix.
21:17 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/NbOUr5U.jpg
21:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMvF0D )
21:27 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
21:27 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 437.84, vol: 107876.68218332 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 425.989, vol: 58789.66874 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 434.2, vol: 283207.14469946 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 415.0, vol: 16.91547596 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 466.847448, vol: 128374.06380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 431.0, vol: 442.62947362 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.64464, vol: 774.64764333 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
21:38 BingoBoingo ;;more
21:38 gribble average: 441.223864598
21:44 trinque ShrinkDebugFile() << lol, the autism in this thing
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21:45 asciilifeform trinque: how so ?
21:45 trinque that it's a debug log and someone thought well gee if it gets too big better shrink it
21:45 trinque wtf?!
21:45 trinque I'm debugging! leave it!
21:45 asciilifeform trinque: iirc it doesn't shrink, in the classical 0.5.3, if debug flag is on.
21:45 trinque furthermore that it's even the job of the thing to clumsily rotate its own log
21:46 asciilifeform trinque: would you prefer that it depend on a unix log rotator ?
21:46 phf mod6: use File::Temp qw/:mktemp/; $foo = mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXXXXXX"); print $foo."\n"; # => /tmp/foowq51sxd
21:46 asciilifeform can't have it both ways
21:46 phf i'm not sure how more easy can this be
21:46 mod6 i dont wanna "use" anything if it can be helped.
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21:46 asciilifeform ^
21:46 trinque asciilifeform: yes I would prefer that it only do one thing, but you are correct that it calls this only if !fDebug
21:46 phf mod6: file::temp is perl stock
21:47 phf mkdtemp is a canonical way of creating a temporary directory on unix, that'll also ensure a) no collisions b) proper permissions, i.e. 700
21:49 trinque asciilifeform: one might rotate a production log, fine
21:49 trinque the rotation was put in the debug log; that is mega-autism
21:50 trinque and not even rotation, goofy head-trimming
21:50 asciilifeform i must confess that i disagree. the thing runs, as it might, self-contained, to the extent practical.
21:50 asciilifeform if you recall, the original wasn't even assured of running on a unix
21:50 asciilifeform where a log autorotator can be had
21:50 trinque if it were the ADA version or even one written with as few deps as possible, I'd grant you're right
21:51 trinque this is *not* standalone at all
21:51 asciilifeform thing was written for winblowz, in its heart, by a winblowz programmer, this is beyond dispute.
21:53 trinque how does the fact that it was written for windows argue for the retardation staying
21:53 asciilifeform staying ?
21:54 asciilifeform on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all
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21:55 asciilifeform in any form.
21:57 asciilifeform trinque: this is reminiscent of the thread concerining upnp.
21:57 asciilifeform *concerning
21:58 asciilifeform we threw it out, because it is really a harmful thing, but later ended up with an impression that it will have to be - in a separate process, yes - put back, if pogo is to be deployed to civilian households
21:59 trinque I am commenting on the idiocy of a thing *ever* taking it upon itself to erase the history of its own operation
21:59 asciilifeform trinque: you don't ever flush your toilet ?
21:59 trinque when it is sitting on a system where the user can decide to do this if he chooses
22:00 trinque no, but my shits do not flush the toilet for themselves....
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22:00 asciilifeform there is no human user on, e.g., pogo.
22:00 asciilifeform it is poured into cement.
22:00 asciilifeform in orbit
22:01 asciilifeform yet it still makes sense to have a small 'crash recorder' sort of log, for when it shits itself.
22:01 asciilifeform how do you propose to do this ?
22:01 asciilifeform unrelatedly,
22:01 asciilifeform but this is pure gold,
22:01 asciilifeform esp for mircea_popescu:
22:01 asciilifeform #ifdef M_GUARD
22:01 asciilifeform if( a ) {
22:01 asciilifeform #error "--enable-m-guard does not currently work"
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22:01 asciilifeform ^^^^^^^^^ guess from where ^^^^^^^^^
22:03 asciilifeform trinque: you do know that aircraft crash boxes traditionally ran the tape in a loop, right ?
22:03 asciilifeform because guess what, finite tape fits in box.
22:04 asciilifeform and it was not deemed acceptable for the box to ever not be recording.
22:04 trinque this log file is a small fraction of the size of the blockchain which is also constantly being written
22:04 asciilifeform no
22:04 asciilifeform think about it
22:05 asciilifeform a) a wedged node still pisses into the log b) log contains tx ids, many of which correspond to nothing that ends up in the blocks
22:05 trinque I was thinking of a lower log level than whatever I'd expect from "debug" but in that case yes
22:05 asciilifeform i have machines here where the size of the log approaches the size of the blockchain.
22:15 trinque asciilifeform: why not have the thing barf everything to stdout and stderr and let whatever's out there do with it what it pleases; opposed to unix-y small proggies that do one thing here?
22:16 phf mod6: you might be right not wanting to `use`. i decided to look at file::temp to see how they do ffi, but instead it's a custom perl written blob. probably reasonable to use, but.. in any case i recommend at least conforming to the api of mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXX") => /tmp/fooAj5. i took a stab at a sample code, http://paste.lisp.org/display/158520, but there are some other things to keep in mind,
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22:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hsnu4e )
22:16 phf e.g. http://search.cpan.org/~dagolden/File-Temp-0.2304/lib/File/Temp.pm#safe_level (particularly if you read the paragraph under HIGH)
22:16 asciilifeform trinque: and when it runs daemonized ?
22:17 trinque runit runs things in precisely this manner, and is the smallest init guy I know
22:17 asciilifeform see, the whole 'unix philosophy' thing would be considerably more interesting if we had a machine where it actually... worked.
22:17 asciilifeform trinque: i don't even know how big it is, but will tell you that it is too big for pogo.
22:17 trinque ....
22:17 asciilifeform because ANYTHING is too big
22:17 trinque there will be no init?
22:18 asciilifeform prolly not.
22:18 asciilifeform (why waste the precious ram on that ??)
22:18 trinque one sec while I go find the ram usage of runit on a similar device
22:18 asciilifeform if it's 8kb that's too much.
22:21 asciilifeform my argument here is not that the behaviour of the classic debug log is a beautiful thing, but that any change to bitcoin that MAKES MANDATORY the presence of so much as an 8kB proggy on the machine, is LETHAL
22:21 asciilifeform to pogo.
22:22 phf should there even be logs on pogo?
22:22 asciilifeform phf: log in the airplane 'black box' sense only.
22:22 asciilifeform if that.
22:22 asciilifeform moreover, since unix has no future, but unfortunately we are stuck with a junkyard of rusting x86 and arm boxes, it makes sense for bitcoin to evolve in the direction of being an os
22:22 trinque bout two orders of magnitude north of that
22:23 phf in that case you'd better truncate it doing run too, because if that pogo doesn't go down, there's no cap on the log
22:23 asciilifeform but it does NOT make sense for it to evolve in the direction of being 'a good unix util'
22:24 trinque this makes sense
22:25 asciilifeform ... not that the thing is in any way close to being pogoizable
22:25 mircea_popescu !up woivis
22:26 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
22:26 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 445.21, Best ask: 445.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 445.2, 24 hour volume: 285121.27754096, 24 hour low: 366.66, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None
22:26 asciilifeform and it won't be a matter of a few changed lines, either.
22:26 mircea_popescu this is better than daytime dramaz
22:26 woivis thank you mircea
22:26 mircea_popescu aha. who're you ?
22:26 trinque init on the same device is taking about 300kb more than runit, as on this thing I have the former starting the latter
22:27 asciilifeform trinque: neither really belongs there.
22:27 asciilifeform in fact, a battlefield bitcoinatron has no business having a conventional 'userland' at all.
22:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316733 << we applaud this notion.
22:27 assbot Logged on 05-11-2015 02:46:35; mod6: i dont wanna "use" anything if it can be helped.
22:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: then you will love the current thread...
22:28 * asciilifeform brb, food
22:28 * mircea_popescu getting there
22:28 * trinque is curiously googling what init=bitcoind would take
22:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316749 << the principle of this is sound. if you're debugging on pogo you've got more pressing problems than the log. such as your psychotherapy appointment.
22:29 assbot Logged on 05-11-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all
22:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316757 << lol zing.
22:30 assbot Logged on 05-11-2015 03:00:13; trinque: no, but my shits do not flush the toilet for themselves....
22:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316768 << heh.
22:30 assbot Logged on 05-11-2015 03:01:40; asciilifeform: #error "--enable-m-guard does not currently work"
22:32 mircea_popescu actually the rotating tape is not such a bad idea. not just for pogo-log, but in general. wild notion, but, asciilifeform how about memory allocator that simply overwrites the beginning ?
22:33 phf system message buffer operates that way (i.e. what you get with dmesg)
22:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316780 << i have no idea why reasonable to use.
22:33 assbot Logged on 05-11-2015 03:16:02; phf: mod6: you might be right not wanting to `use`. i decided to look at file::temp to see how they do ffi, but instead it's a custom perl written blob. probably reasonable to use, but.. in any case i recommend at least conforming to the api of mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXX") => /tmp/fooAj5. i took a stab at a sample code, http://paste.lisp.org/display/158520, but there are some other things to keep in mind,
22:33 mircea_popescu phf so it does.
22:34 mircea_popescu and for this same exact reason, as alf would say, "cement".
22:34 trinque I suppose given you can fire up networking entirely from within the linux kernel, init=bitcoind may be all that is needed at some point
22:34 phf mircea_popescu: i honestly thought it was a thin wrapper around call to unix mkdtemp, glad i checked
22:34 mircea_popescu trinque the eventual end goal is to have bitcoinix. as alf says, no userland at all. nor really a kernel in the common sense.
22:35 mircea_popescu kinda have a) a nix ; b) a bitcoin and c) an obvious pogo-merge for these two.
22:37 phf apropos this conversation, emacs as init http://informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html, prototyped using "user-mode-linux", http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net something that could be used for bitcoind
22:37 assbot Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpLA7E )
22:37 assbot The User-mode Linux Kernel Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpLA7G )
22:37 mircea_popescu back to tape : not to mention that since these these things are virtualized, you could in principle specify how you wish the available mem to be split among the various rotating tapes.
22:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: an allocator that knows that it is acceptable to lose some old bits is called a circular buffer and behaves like a looped tape, yes
22:50 asciilifeform e.g., your nic's buffers
22:50 asciilifeform everything on your box that can safely behave this way, pretty much already does.
22:50 mircea_popescu why not mempool ?
22:50 asciilifeform mempool is a great example
22:50 asciilifeform of a mechanism which ought to work this way
22:50 mircea_popescu but not implemented thus currently.
22:51 asciilifeform (see old threads where we beat this to a liquid pulp)
22:51 mircea_popescu apparently not liquid enough. "liquifying - works ; drinking - not yet."
22:52 asciilifeform ^ aha.
22:56 trinque asciilifeform: thinking the kernel's automount mech. for pogo's external disk slot?
22:57 asciilifeform mount at warmup.
22:57 asciilifeform why ever any time else?
22:59 * trinque nods
23:01 mircea_popescu so the fucking web idiots have come up with a novel css hell that chokes my browsers.
23:01 mircea_popescu what the fuck these fucking idiots and theyr css. should be hanged.
23:01 asciilifeform this happens regularly enough.
23:01 mircea_popescu your "formatting" does not work inline, go die in a fire.
23:01 liquidassets http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316034 << full disclosure via logs is most correct thing for honeytrapping no?
23:01 assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
23:01 trinque whole thing is a massive sin
23:02 mircea_popescu it has its merits liquidassets
23:02 liquidassets “only the Übermensch will have the strength to fully accept all of his past life, including his failures and misdeeds, and to truly will their eternal return” grepped straight from the logz
23:04 liquidassets anytime you're opened up to liability, the one who documents best seems to win
23:05 BingoBoingo <liquidassets> ... << full disclosure via logs is most correct thing for honeytrapping no? << Yes, like that time I blogged the FBI visit to my front door
23:05 BingoBoingo For honeydicking, I am less certain the proper course of action
23:10 mircea_popescu pics help.
23:10 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 7.47500000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b40
23:14 liquidassets Exactly BingoBoingo except I still have to go back and read more to get the full context
23:16 liquidassets honeydicking <<a bitch by definition
23:17 mircea_popescu 4:1 on trump ? cmon.
23:17 mircea_popescu who the fuck are they gonna pick ? jeb ? the doc nobody heard of ?
23:18 asciilifeform wat about the chick
23:18 mircea_popescu who ?
23:18 mircea_popescu the republicans also have chicks now ?
23:18 asciilifeform the one that killed hp
23:18 trinque yeah, old CEO of HP
23:18 mircea_popescu ahahahaah right
23:19 trinque bragged about HP's role helping the NSA under her watch, too
23:19 mircea_popescu i wasn't even aware she's still ruinning
23:19 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> who the fuck are they gonna pick ? jeb ? the doc nobody heard of ? << Doctor Stoner is actually leading now. Rubio appears to be the establishment alternative now that Jeb is dead in the water
23:19 BingoBoingo NEarly all the repubes are still ruining
23:19 mircea_popescu never in history has a nobody been elected before
23:19 mircea_popescu o wait... obama. nm.
23:19 asciilifeform l0l aha
23:20 mircea_popescu i would imagine the republicans understand enough of their small penis issues to not imagine they can pull democrat tricks.
23:20 BingoBoingo Obama, Clinton, Truman...
23:20 trinque Trump and Carson practically fist-bumped on stage in that CNBC "debate"; I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up running together
23:20 mircea_popescu clinton was well known
23:20 mircea_popescu "that guy with the hot wife"
23:20 BingoBoingo Not Bill
23:21 BingoBoingo George Clinton was well known at the time though
23:21 mircea_popescu let's limit this discussion to "after tv"
23:21 BingoBoingo ;;google george clinton
23:21 gribble George Clinton Parliament Funkadelic official website: <http://georgeclinton.com/>; George Clinton (musician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clinton_(musician)>; George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/georgeclintonpfunk/>
23:22 BingoBoingo ^ That CLinton was well known
23:22 mircea_popescu lmao
23:23 BingoBoingo But seriously none of the republicans are going to stop before the first primaries because they gotta build their profile in public to become TV hosts
23:23 BingoBoingo It's the way of their people
23:24 BingoBoingo Democrats on the other hand quit well in advance because getting appointed to various offices is the way of their people
23:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'm still waiting for the magical 1986 or so of our day, when thinking people stop even recreationally giving a shit about the stuffed shirts
23:25 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i'm still waiting for the magical 1986 or so of our day, when thinking people stop even recreationally giving a shit about the stuffed shirts << Too late BitBet exists
23:28 asciilifeform hey it mostly dropped sport crud
23:29 BingoBoingo Sure, this may too fade
23:31 BingoBoingo !up woivis
23:32 trinque perhaps asciilifeform is waiting for "The USG scam wont see 2019"
23:33 BingoBoingo Mebbe
23:41 asciilifeform i don't personally expect to see 2019.
23:41 asciilifeform so no, won't bet.
23:44 BingoBoingo These years creep up on people
23:45 asciilifeform in other 'news', malloc is very very complicated.
23:45 BingoBoingo fuck yeah
23:46 asciilifeform considerably more so than, e.g., knuth's, garbage collector.
23:49 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu finally dug up the sysv6-on-x86 thing. http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1114
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23:49 assbot Embedded in Academia : Xv6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Po3G8F )
23:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:49 asciilifeform turned it up ~by accident~ while looking for entirely unrelated thing.
23:50 asciilifeform 'Xv6 is a rewrite of v6 UNIX in modern C that runs on multicore x86 chips. It compiles in a couple of seconds and is trivial to boot up in QEMU. It took me a while to see the genius of Xv6, which is that it is simpler than I would have thought a working multicore OS with shell and filesystem could be. For example, it lacks wait queues and ready queues — in Xv6, both wakeup and scheduling are accomplished by looping over the
23:50 asciilifeform all-process table. Similarly, there’s no malloc() in the kernel, but rather just a page allocator. The pipe implementation copies one byte at a time. Amazingly, even the bootloader is a pleasure to read. Another nice thing about Xv6 is that it comes with a short textbook that explains OS concepts in terms of their implementations in Xv6.'
23:50 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:54 asciilifeform ^ the animal in the lions book, rewritten for x86.
23:55 asciilifeform robert morris of all people.
23:55 asciilifeform i thought he was dead...
23:57 BingoBoingo Shit, Unix lives again
23:57 asciilifeform if that's living.
23:58 asciilifeform https://github.com/ahorn/xv6 << for those who must read in www browser..
23:58 assbot ahorn/xv6 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1WBspXy )
23:59 asciilifeform https://github.com/ahorn/xv6/blob/master/kill.c << example of why lions book was a thing
23:59 assbot xv6/kill.c at master · ahorn/xv6 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1WBstqi )
23:59 asciilifeform https://github.com/ahorn/xv6/blob/master/grep.c
23:59 assbot xv6/grep.c at master · ahorn/xv6 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1WBsuL2 )
23:59 asciilifeform ^ ~100 lines.
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