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00:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52730 @ 0.00056453 = 29.7677 BTC [+]
00:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was inside function.
00:17 mircea_popescu but in happier news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/0ff0aff9dffec8a9a978794148cd219e/tumblr_mjw7i4bmlm1qfaf1fo1_1280.jpg
00:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsMkm8 )
00:19 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the gf-nordstorm graph is pretty cool, you made it ?
00:20 mircea_popescu apparently not.
00:23 ben_vulpes i most certainly did!
00:26 mircea_popescu then why does it say blqabla.com on the bottom?
00:28 ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/23_money-trust-and-the-wild-wild-web-a-socioeconomic-history-of-ssl-or-that-green-lock-symbol-in-your-browser.html#fn.7
00:28 assbot Money, Trust, and the Wild Wild Web (A socioeconomic history of SSL, or that green lock symbol in your browser) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsN7n0 )
00:28 * BingoBoingo finally stitching together popular hegelian piece since slow news weekend
00:28 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: footnote just for you, baby
00:29 ben_vulpes hrm that reorder's the piece's footnotes
00:29 ben_vulpes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
00:29 ben_vulpes i fucking hate my webthing.
00:30 mircea_popescu that;s a good thing.
00:32 ben_vulpes why? people's links will break if i go back and add intervening footnotes.
00:32 mircea_popescu and references break if guy goes back and adds pages in the middle of his book wtf.
00:34 mircea_popescu and if you write "shoez rulez" today and then change it to "shoez sux srsly" next week, people's idea of your idea of shoes also breaks.
00:35 ben_vulpes so what, i ditch current shitty static site generator and tell everyone who linked to shit previously to get fucked and find the new linxz?
00:35 ben_vulpes i thought la serenissima's webfacists hated linkrot
00:36 BingoBoingo Kinda why eventual #b-a library where people put text from outside the wot for preservation from molestation would have some similarity to deeding.
00:36 ben_vulpes i personally dgaf. it's my server.
00:36 ben_vulpes move the files wherever i want
00:36 ben_vulpes *cartman head wobble*
00:37 mircea_popescu suppose you think about what you wanna say, say it, and then let it be ?
00:37 mircea_popescu can't turn the whole web into a signal processor.
00:40 ben_vulpes i do not see what relationship the directory structure has to the things i have said, other than they expose the retarded toolchain i used to get them on the public net in the first place.
00:40 ben_vulpes all that aside, when i finally ditch this thing, i will preserve the shit that's already on disk.
00:40 mircea_popescu meanwhile back at feminist camp, http://49.media.tumblr.com/c9f987d117dbe8e493a4861958689f15/tumblr_n7emvhuFmg1rv5wh5o1_400.gif
00:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsNQVq )
00:43 ben_vulpes hahaha
00:44 ben_vulpes it's usually the captions or contextuality of mircea_popescu's pr0n that gets me lolling
00:44 mircea_popescu lol
00:44 ben_vulpes heh i am still snickering about that one
00:45 ben_vulpes hey does anyone have suggestions for a non-retarded display manager?
00:45 ben_vulpes for once in my short life i would like to not piss on a fence.
00:45 ben_vulpes something that looks hella nineties would be top notch
00:51 BingoBoingo dwm
00:56 BingoBoingo http://dwm.suckless.org/
00:56 assbot suckless.org dwm - dynamic window manager ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZVEazh )
00:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00055871 = 3.9668 BTC [-]
01:01 ben_vulpes nah all i need is the display manager, i'm going to use emacs for window mgmt
01:12 ben_vulpes ;;ud hackin
01:12 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hackin | hackin'. a different way to say freakin/fuckin. its an adjective. fred on youtube uses it a lot. Fred: Hey, it's Fred! And I'm really hackin' mad right now because Judy ...
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01:55 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Drones… sono finiti! - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/24/drones-sono-finiti/
02:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5886 @ 0.00056004 = 3.2964 BTC [-] {2}
02:00 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383497 << "excuse me sir, i have an ear infucktion. i cunt hear you."
02:00 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 01:51:14; adlai: fwiw friend who teaches classics at a usg 'prep school' attests to having had a student excused from any and all performance standards due to APD (which stands for 'auditory processing disorder')
02:02 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383534 << "and we DEMAND that you hire useless hobos"
02:02 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 02:10:26; ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that the workload given to employees be reflective of their abilities...should not be given a workload that they cannot handle."
02:05 pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/a/yFUTu << in other humour, citi's willem buiter has a new nickname for us "cyber boys"
02:05 assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/20lQeXd )
02:06 pete_dushenski though buiter is right about the silliness of bitcoin tx being costless. such strawman.
02:06 pete_dushenski http://www.businessinsider.com/one-couple-lived-off-food-waste-for-6-months-2016-1?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=referral#/%23about-60-of-consumers-are-throwing-food-away-prematurely-because-they-dont-understand-what-the-dates-are-telling-them-explained-gunders-4 << one for asciilifeform
02:06 assbot One couple lived off food waste for 6 months - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/20lQl54 )
02:09 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: is this a 'freegan' thing?
02:09 mircea_popescu "cyber boys" as opposed to what, banking girls ?
02:09 ben_vulpes http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/24/drones-sono-finiti/#footnote_1_6779 << i swear to god i read this elsewhere recently
02:09 assbot Drones… sono finiti! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ju1j4o )
02:09 mircea_popescu lol derp, "this thing that happened shows that this thing i presume is correct because reasons so ergo!"
02:10 mircea_popescu !rate willem buiter -1 lolz
02:10 assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
02:10 pete_dushenski huh. great minds or something
02:10 pete_dushenski ^ ben_vulpes
02:10 ben_vulpes either that or i'm living a week in the future somehow
02:11 pete_dushenski hi ben, it's the future calling, gentoo all ready to go, sir !
02:11 ben_vulpes NOT YET LOL
02:12 ben_vulpes i mean some bits of it work
02:12 ben_vulpes but i think i need to recompile the kernel
02:12 ben_vulpes again
02:12 ben_vulpes still now
02:12 ben_vulpes now again
02:12 ben_vulpes again now
02:12 BingoBoingo The Joys of Sobriety: Going back to read yourself from 2014 and being pleasantly surprised with something you completely dissolved the memory of having written in industrial solvent.
02:13 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: at this rate imma completely give up and just run 10.6
02:13 ben_vulpes put gentoo in a vm for building ri's
02:13 pete_dushenski alf has a copy ready and waiting. nib.
02:14 ben_vulpes miserable fucking workflow.
02:14 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i think those shit-spreaders were less of a 'freegan' and more of a 'let's see what it's like to be derpizens of the great nation of afrika'. fwiw.
02:14 ben_vulpes lol wut and now it simply refuses to boot!
02:14 pete_dushenski LMAO
02:15 ben_vulpes after five reboots in a row it just gives up!
02:15 pete_dushenski just send alf your mailing address already ?
02:15 ben_vulpes "software never fails" but the flesh apparently is very fucking weak.
02:15 ben_vulpes > marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle
02:17 ben_vulpes shoulda listened to trinque.
02:18 ben_vulpes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
02:18 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383609 << in my own aforementioned article. thankfully, archive.is has a pretty healthy stock of tlp. (not that i found any other broken links there lately)
02:18 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 02:35:25; adlai: pete_dushenski: more helpful to say where you encountered the deadlink :)
02:20 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: you can't not pee on ~all~ the fences.
02:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.00056568 = 35.3267 BTC [+] {3}
02:28 * ben_vulpes dd's the 10.6 installer onto the flash drive one last time
02:36 pete_dushenski it's wild how much more organised 10.6 is than 10.8. the latter ~always~ bunged up dates. when trying to organise a folder by "date modified", the latest documents would almost invariably end up in their own speshul sub-heading waaay at the bottom of the list under "no date". but then once in a while, not. for whatever reason.
02:37 pete_dushenski i don't think anything drove me more nutso when using 10.8 than the inability to find a file in a folder you ~just~ placed it in moments earlier.
02:38 ben_vulpes and el cap is second system shitgnomery incarnate
02:40 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383805 << i saw 2+ gb just from a couple of failed trb build attempts. it was like 2.7 gigs iirc. "bitcoin is not for the poor (who can't afford hd space)" (tm) (r)
02:40 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 03:19:03; mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0771 << this doesn't actually work, i've seen gb+ debug.logs
02:40 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: that's a thoroughly frightening prospect.
02:41 ben_vulpes no you know what i have one more fence to piss upon
02:41 ben_vulpes UBUNTU
02:41 ben_vulpes that is how desperate i am to get off of os x.
02:43 guruvan ben_vulpes: just get you a boot2docker, and then run whatever the hell you want - use the OSX like a hypervisor :D
02:43 pete_dushenski the old osen come with their own limitations, however, like not being able to render random websites, eg. http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/14/they-dont-print-paper-catalogues-anymore-everythings-on-their-website/ (oakley's - which i only ever managed to use on... ios8 ipad)
02:43 assbot “They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxosOd )
02:43 ben_vulpes guruvan: i am not running my primary os in a container, thank you very much.
02:43 guruvan :)
02:44 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i tried 14 for a few days. couldn't believe how laggy it was. haven't tried 10 (or whatever the b-a approved one was)
02:44 ben_vulpes ftr i /have done this/
02:44 ben_vulpes edited code in emacs, booted container for reference implementation builds
02:44 ben_vulpes shat elfs onto server for testing
02:45 ben_vulpes openbsd at least installed, booted trivially, and ran emacs under x11.
02:45 ben_vulpes but reference implementation? no, get fucked it said.
02:46 ben_vulpes it is weekends like this that make me reconsider how i spent my youth as a misspend, when i see trinque and asciilifeform with usable professional non apple toolchains
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02:47 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383894 << spiffy
02:47 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 03:58:32; asciilifeform: http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2011/09/06/stack-frame-layout-on-x86-64 << better picture
02:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00056116 = 14.5902 BTC [-] {4}
02:48 ben_vulpes shit, i even reconsider the /past three years/ of toolchain investment on weekends like this.
02:48 ben_vulpes pick a side i said.
02:52 phf openbsd patch as written results in a working build on both linux and openbsd. it introduces necessary ifdefs to ensure cross platform support. the only change that it does to makefile is, at least according to my research, is necessary with some versions of gcc, rather then openbsd specific (has to do with static linking of pthread). without that change build ~can~ produce broken static bitcoind on both openbsd and linux. at the time
02:52 phf when it was written and submitted it applied cleanly to the tree. to my knowledge it doesn't interfere with stator build. in fact the whole point of patch is to make minimally intrusive changes to source so that interested parties don't have to track down silly issues when attempting a build on their own. it's my understanding that the patch was simply dropped during v-ification, so of course now it doesn't in any way fits into
02:52 phf pressing.
02:52 ben_vulpes phf: i have a hunch that it was my boost compiles that were failing.
02:53 pete_dushenski just noticed that crapple is pulling the same version naming strange as bitcoin 'core', ie. v. x.9 followed by x.10, x.11, x.12, etc. (is this the equiv. of web 2.12 ?)
02:53 ben_vulpes still trying to get the hang of the m1a1, very much adrift in the cockpit of a warthog.
02:54 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: it's been an alternative scheme for as long as i can remember
02:54 ben_vulpes x.6 ~ 10.6
02:54 mircea_popescu phf how can it be dropped i dont get this ?
02:55 mircea_popescu in random good unix news : shuf -n 1 $file will pop out a random line from that file.
02:55 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: maybe it's just the coincidence that's being picked up on my gaydar then.
02:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112350 @ 0.00056689 = 63.6901 BTC [+] {5}
02:57 pete_dushenski that being said, i've always thought that version numbers should "roll over" at a certain point. not like mac os8 went 43372 sub-versions before macos 9 showed up. eh. i guess it really doesn't matter.
02:58 * pete_dushenski back to reading about x86_64
02:58 phf mircea_popescu: well, openbsd and timestamp are written in old diff format, their migration was not done by foundation when majority of patches were moved to vdiff. i interpreted that move as the patches not being needed and an invitation to perform migration myself.
02:59 mircea_popescu i think the migration was done by patch authors rly.
02:59 deedbot- [Bingo Blog] The Theoretical Foundation of Social Engineering Practice - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/01/24/the-theoretical-foundation-of-social-engineering-practice/
03:00 mircea_popescu anyway, do i get the impression you got the impression your patches aren't welcome or something ?
03:02 phf well, first v release was migrated by ascii, with all the patches signed by him, i think later mod6 signed his?
03:05 mircea_popescu possibru
03:07 BingoBoingo If asciilifeform reads and tests what he signs the openbsd patch would have been missed. Timestamp may have been overlooked.
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03:10 * BingoBoingo can finally read ben_vulpes on SSL
03:13 phf one of the features of the openbsd patch is that it should build cleanly on linux, i.e. naive build or a stator build. i did a naive build that work, while i was developing, but since i assume it was not included in stator i can't speak to that.
03:16 phf basically the patch being dropped created bunch of work for me, that i don't have bandwidth to pursue. (i.e. produce a v version, test on stator)
03:16 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: "The correct answer is that developed and practiced by people who take personal cryptographic hygenie very seriously" << hygiene
03:17 phf otherwise the work needs to be done by other foundation members, and it comes with commitment to support openbsd build
03:18 phf as it stands foundation doesn't support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly
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03:21 mircea_popescu i guess that makes sense.
03:21 BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/8jQls63.jpg
03:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjRQgo )
03:24 pete_dushenski i'm out. cheers !
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04:00 phf mircea_popescu: ok, so i wouldn't say not welcome, but since neither patch was given a courtesy of a smooth transition, i assumed that neither are seen as particularly important. спасение утопающих дело рук самих утопающих (tm) (r)
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04:09 BingoBoingo "Maybe we aren't seeing heaven because one of us is a J-O-O" -Eric Cartman
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04:26 punkman well that was a lot of log
04:26 BingoBoingo Much log, lots of content
04:31 mircea_popescu phf i think you're reading too much into it.
04:32 mircea_popescu besides, nobody's drowning.
04:32 punkman http://i.imgur.com/gZxnXJu.jpg
04:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WGtsHf )
04:36 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383814 had a few threads http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316722
04:36 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 03:19:50; polarbeard: do we agree in using an external tool for this?
04:36 assbot Logged on 05-11-2015 02:44:58; trinque: ShrinkDebugFile() << lol, the autism in this thing
04:37 punkman I suspect that using the plog library (after some win32-snipping) would remove more lines than it adds
04:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20689 @ 0.00055855 = 11.5558 BTC [+] {4}
04:39 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383855 << I haven't had any problems using custom datadirs
04:39 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 03:35:03; mircea_popescu: which is why nobody uses datadir, because wtf you do with munged 200kb logfiles.
04:44 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383814 << if by external you mean: does not introduce further dependencies into the codebase, maybe, depending on the tool
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04:44 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 03:19:50; polarbeard: do we agree in using an external tool for this?
04:44 ben_vulpes also lol what /we/ who are /you/?
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05:00 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/x4JAc
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05:08 ben_vulpes http://jezebel.com/britney-spears-good-at-math-1747547324 << i have examined this and found it lulzy
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05:08 assbot Britney Spears Good at Math ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qsea8y )
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05:36 phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383561 << wtf? that is not at all the issue!
05:36 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 02:26:40; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383446 << wait, explain this to me ? << the idea is that our makefiles, or whatever build scripts will utilize V to build inside of the rotor (a linux thing) - the source must be compatable with that. phf's openbsd scripts are not compatible with this.
05:41 phf the ~only~ "script" aspect of the patch is "-Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" which is a cross platform gcc argument that ensure that pthread is truly fully statically linked into bitcoind. the issue that some parts of it don't appear consistently with openbsd gcc ~and also on some of the linux gcc versions~. fucking says so in the original email
05:53 phf everything else in there is either cross platform clarification or straight up an #ifdef. it's a tiny ass patch, if it doesn't build on rotor, linux, etc. it's a bug in a patch
05:56 ben_vulpes i only had the opportunity to test it recently, failed to even build prerequsites and so cannot sign it. i also do not intend to build another openbsd system in the immediate future.
05:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69297 @ 0.00055895 = 38.7336 BTC [+] {2}
05:59 phf ben_vulpes: of course, that bsd patch doesn't stand in isolation. it was produced at a certain time, was since used by several people to build a version. but there's nothing to sign, because there's only pre-v patch
05:59 ben_vulpes i do envy everyone the vast panoply of device families apparently covered.
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07:42 punkman http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_development.shtml
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07:42 assbot The Short History of GCC development ... ( http://bit.ly/20meIQb )
07:43 punkman "Why are we doing this? It's become increasingly clear in the course of hacking events that the FSF's needs for gcc2 are at odds with the objectives of many in the community who have done lots of hacking and improvement over the years. GCC is part of the FSF's publicity for the GNU project, as well as being the GNU system's compiler, so stability is paramount for them. On the other hand,
07:43 punkman Cygnus, the Linux folks, the pgcc folks, the Fortran folks and many others have done development work which has not yet gone into the GCC2 tree despite years of efforts to make it possible."
07:48 punkman "As FSF GCC died a silent death from malnutrition, both were (formally) reunited as of version 2.95 in April 1999.  With a simple renaming trick, egcs became gcc now and formally the split was over"
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09:39 mircea_popescu phf i dunno man, i've been trying to unravel in my head what the issue is/was, can't say i've got very far. the only thing i can say is please, insist.
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09:40 mircea_popescu "About a week ago, this pretty girl messages me out of the blue and we hit it off. We talked that night up until 5 AM and we have so much things in common. > She loves Star Wars > Plays video games > All other super nerdy shit > Never met a girl like that" << holy shit, this "all that much" evaluates to almost 0. wtf is wrong with people.
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09:41 adlai educational holes; haven't read Анна Каренина, perhaps
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09:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: whaddyamean 0
09:59 mircea_popescu what do you see in there |?
10:00 asciilifeform perhaps she had the face of a human, rather than ruminant, nfi
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10:02 mircea_popescu but the list of things he presents is enough to deduce they have nothing in common.
10:02 mircea_popescu "we both say $word about heavily advertised meaningless franchise". hurr.
10:03 mircea_popescu "she would never take a left on west 83rd at 6pm on a tuesday. i know this on the basis of her $word starwars."
10:03 asciilifeform l0l
10:04 mircea_popescu predictive value of a half eaten linseed.
10:07 asciilifeform ah i finally parsed the thing correctly, when he wrote 'talked that night' it was probably not in the flesh
10:08 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384135 << i have an openbsd box. but i haven't booted it in over a year, and can't bring myself to. because it is FUCKING LOATHESOME:
10:08 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 14:39:04; mircea_popescu: phf i dunno man, i've been trying to unravel in my head what the issue is/was, can't say i've got very far. the only thing i can say is please, insist.
10:08 asciilifeform e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1365965
10:08 assbot Logged on 11-01-2016 03:34:08; asciilifeform: e.g., want x11 emacs ? say hello to dbus
10:08 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-09-2015#1273965
10:08 assbot Logged on 14-09-2015 17:42:55; ascii_field: and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me.
10:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you don't like it. what of it?
10:08 asciilifeform so i won't maintain for it.
10:08 asciilifeform i tried...
10:08 mircea_popescu well yes but we're discussing him
10:09 asciilifeform if he wants to maintain a parallel universe, and it doesn't in any serious way inconvenience the actual universe, i will say only kind things.
10:11 asciilifeform thing is, at least the way i understood it, the whole ~point~ of openbsd was as a fortress against poetteringization. and it appears to be in ruins, based on above
10:11 asciilifeform i can haz emacs without dbus ~here~
10:11 asciilifeform even on the most heathen linux
10:12 asciilifeform and recall the incident with theo and his 'friends'
10:13 mircea_popescu nevertheless, these must be decisions people take for themselves.
10:13 asciilifeform in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die
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10:13 asciilifeform but this is just my own judgement.
10:14 asciilifeform did anybody ever try to get theo to appear here ?
10:14 asciilifeform i'd much like to hear what the man has to say for himself.
10:17 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384102 << so REAL maths folks eschew line breaks!!11 who knew?!
10:17 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 10:08:30; ben_vulpes: http://jezebel.com/britney-spears-good-at-math-1747547324 << i have examined this and found it lulzy
10:17 PeterL http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383435 << maybe "god" is just anthropomorphic personification of "universe"
10:17 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 00:05:24; danielpbarron: >> me: the universe does not guarantee a solution to things that humans perceive as problems. << personification of 'universe' to replace God
10:19 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384035 << this is lulzy in re: how i recently had to set up a complete orchestra on an apple box
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10:19 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 07:46:51; ben_vulpes: it is weekends like this that make me reconsider how i spent my youth as a misspend, when i see trinque and asciilifeform with usable professional non apple toolchains
10:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i personally don't. there's a common disease of whores (and no, programmers aren't fundamentally anything else). it manifests like so : should a wolf find a delicious morsel, it will neglect it oft to the point of just letting it sit while it draws a perimeter around and inspects for whence it came for and MOAR. meanwhile, a mouse that found a morsel will grab it and run, never to return.
10:20 asciilifeform originally i thought that it would have to be a gentoo vm, but turns out that one can actually build a genuine toolchain there ! and it runs...
10:20 mircea_popescu i see it lots with online hos, you'd think that if you got easy money once, you'd never leave that place. but not so if you KNOW you're not worth anyone's time, deep down.
10:20 mircea_popescu and so... i'm not particularly curious.
10:21 asciilifeform i thought the stereotypical whoredom is to go, at the drop of a hat, to where it smells of moar money ?!
10:21 asciilifeform and of programmer-whoring especially?
10:21 mircea_popescu nope. that's baseless slander.
10:21 mircea_popescu that is the queenly behaviour.
10:22 mircea_popescu ie, "i say whore because she won't fuck me" vs "i say whore because whatevs"
10:22 asciilifeform queenly ?
10:23 mircea_popescu yeah. the requisite behaviour of the wife of the king.
10:24 asciilifeform sorta like lioness ovulates as soon as the old cubs are recycled, aha
10:24 asciilifeform this makes sense
10:24 mircea_popescu hey, nobody said reality won't stink.
10:25 mircea_popescu but generally, as an aspiring young lord, you don't have either the time or the resources to spend any time or resources with any women that would settle for anything but the best they can possibly get.
10:25 polarbeard is this the beginning of shitty i18n?: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0102
10:25 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.h ... ( http://bit.ly/23lN5ZT )
10:25 mircea_popescu which is why "well breed" old guard products don't usually carry much value with the treason that just prospered.
10:27 polarbeard should we kill it? grep " _(" bitcoin/src/* | wc -l -> 58
10:27 mircea_popescu polarbeard "I'd get it one piece at a time. And it wouldn't cost me a dime..."
10:28 polarbeard seems reasonable
10:40 mircea_popescu http://warontherocks.com/2016/01/killing-anwar-targeting-jihadi-propagandists-is-only-part-of-the-solution/ << in other lulzy lulz, from the "lalala i can't hear you" files.
10:40 assbot Killing Anwar: Targeting Jihadi Propagandists is Only Part of the Solution ... ( http://bit.ly/1nhlHLA )
10:42 mircea_popescu "Killing and Communicating to Victory
10:42 mircea_popescu Killing Awlaki unfortunately did not prevent his propaganda from influencing the minds of people who killed innocent people after he was gone. "
10:43 mircea_popescu meanwhile back at home, http://www.blackagendareport.com/black_community_control_police
10:43 assbot Freedom Rider: Black Community Control of the Police and the Politicians | Black Agenda Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1nhlU1r )
10:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00055804 = 35.5471 BTC [+]
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12:40 punkman https://blockchain.info/en/charts/hash-rate?timespan=all&showDataPoints=true&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
12:40 assbot Bitcoin Hash Rate ... ( http://bit.ly/1nHHjRP )
12:41 punkman 1 exahash
12:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29465 @ 0.00055537 = 16.364 BTC [-] {2}
12:42 punkman ;;nethash
12:42 gribble 930625625.639
12:45 punkman gribble's nethash reads from this http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-3D.txt , in case anyone wants to run a script
12:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1nHHUmA )
12:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46440 @ 0.00055523 = 25.7849 BTC [-] {2}
12:49 jurov !gettrust assbot sipa
12:49 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user sipa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=sipa | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/sipa/
12:50 punkman 3D means 3day estimate so it hasn't hit yet http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png
12:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UkAsZ0 )
12:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2060 @ 0.00055476 = 1.1428 BTC [-]
12:54 punkman next stop, 1 zettahash :D
12:56 punkman ;;interval
12:56 gribble 536.6459627329193
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13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00056381 = 27.2884 BTC [+] {3}
13:54 ben_vulpes did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez?
13:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67150 @ 0.00056483 = 37.9283 BTC [+] {2}
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14:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36246 @ 0.00055369 = 20.069 BTC [-]
14:02 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384173 << do you mean 'the full orchestra' as advertised on trb ml?
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14:02 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 15:19:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384035 << this is lulzy in re: how i recently had to set up a complete orchestra on an apple box
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14:29 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez? << there's room for one.
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14:31 ben_vulpes I personally don't understand the reasons beyond "it's the right thing to do with the reference implementation, dummy. also, fuck drepper."
14:32 mircea_popescu do you understand why your apple "computers" suck ?
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14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3381 @ 0.00056477 = 1.9095 BTC [+]
14:36 ben_vulpes a glib answer'd be "because steve died", a more pragmatic one "because they don't compile the bitcoin reference implementation", but i don't think either of those are what you're thinking.
14:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68374 @ 0.00056108 = 38.3633 BTC [-] {2}
14:38 mircea_popescu mkay, let's take something else. why does buying a russian bride online suck ?
14:40 kakobrekla high fees
14:41 mircea_popescu what's "high" even mean yet.
14:41 ben_vulpes no returns, no way to know if she's even minimally acceptable to spend time with, no way to know if she can suck cock...
14:41 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes but none of these are the core of the matter. suppose you buy one, and i give you another.
14:41 punkman ben_vulpes: static because for one, hoping user has the right openssl/bdb/etc shared lib version results in forks
14:41 mircea_popescu how would you know you got a DIFFERENT one ?
14:42 ben_vulpes laptop or bride, they'd be...separate physical instantiations of 'bride' or 'nut-frier'?
14:43 * ben_vulpes is having a 'not enough lsd' moment
14:43 mircea_popescu but think about it. suppose i loan you one of my slavegirls, and you bring her back, except you bring me back a different woman.
14:43 mircea_popescu how would my complaint sound ?
14:44 ben_vulpes ah
14:44 ben_vulpes bitwise identity
14:44 mircea_popescu "i know this isn't X, because Y".
14:44 mircea_popescu whereas you have nfi how "a bride" should go. fuck you know.
14:44 mircea_popescu for all you know, this is how it was supposed to be all along.
14:45 mircea_popescu how are you going to have strong relationships with poorly defined entities ?
14:45 ben_vulpes well no, but i believe that i understand your point.
14:45 ben_vulpes usg has a plenty strong relationship with me, lol
14:46 mircea_popescu quite.
14:46 mircea_popescu marginally speaking, if i take random user's ipad and replace it with another ipad, random user'd never know.
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14:46 mircea_popescu now do the same to alf.
14:47 ben_vulpes 'aha'
14:47 mircea_popescu is this MY windows or HIS windows ? (is that my emacs or his emacs ?)
14:48 mircea_popescu and the problem now dawns : nobody gives a shit's ass what you do to your emacs
14:48 mircea_popescu but bitcoin has to stay fixed! protocol! distributed!
14:49 mircea_popescu "i dunno, man, that's just what my bitcoin does" "it shouoldn't do that" "how do you know ?" "because..."
14:55 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> "About a week ago, this pretty girl messages me out of the blue and we hit it off. We talked that night up until 5 AM and we have so much things in common. > She loves Star Wars > Plays video games > All other super nerdy shit > Never met a girl like that" << holy shit, this "all that much" evaluates to almost 0. wtf is wrong with people. << It's like the redditor version of my foray into fiction
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00055622 = 47.0006 BTC [-] {3}
14:56 jurov From: Gypsy <gypsy@thedoccorp.com> Subject: Programmer at $399/ Week ...orly?
14:57 jurov Best Regards, Gypsy | Offshoring Coordinator
14:59 ben_vulpes what a deal, jurov!
15:00 jurov i'll gladly forward. cascadia surely needs some gypsies to improve diversity
15:02 BingoBoingo They also naturally live in camps and so blend in with local bipedal fauna
15:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47450 @ 0.00055399 = 26.2868 BTC [-]
15:15 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/wax-loquacious/
15:15 assbot Wax loquacious ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvV7Fg )
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15:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31909 @ 0.00055399 = 17.6773 BTC [+]
15:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00055279 = 32.2829 BTC [-] {2}
15:47 polarbeard somebody against displaying full hashes in the log instead of substrings?
15:49 mircea_popescu !up yrashk
15:52 mircea_popescu polarbeard on the contrary. please fix the substring idiocy.
15:53 mircea_popescu whoever the fuck does stupid shit like "substring hashes" fundamentally misunderstands what cryptography is all about
15:53 mircea_popescu much like someone delivering CPU shavings fundamentally misunderstands electronics.
15:53 polarbeard is a symptom of basically being 'too clever'
15:54 polarbeard 'but but it won't collide!'
15:54 punkman this doesn't matter in log in most cases
15:54 punkman but can be a hassle
15:55 punkman it also means bigger logs overall
15:55 polarbeard its okay, they actually implemented rotat... well
15:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63917 @ 0.00055726 = 35.6184 BTC [+] {2}
15:57 polarbeard saving bytes from hashes to spend them in "oops!" all around
16:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32284 @ 0.00056476 = 18.2327 BTC [+] {2}
16:01 punkman myeah, and if you need to archive a lot of logs, can always convert to denser binary format
16:04 polarbeard yeah, for now I'm just adding timestamps, classification prefixes and fixing messages, without adding extra logging points
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16:19 BingoBoingo Reddit does Australia https://archive.is/HtuJr
16:19 assbot TIFU by feeding a goanna : tifu ... ( http://bit.ly/1QtgxrI )
16:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00055626 = 44.8067 BTC [-] {3}
16:28 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384235 << unrelated item, but same toolchain
16:28 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 19:02:54; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384173 << do you mean 'the full orchestra' as advertised on trb ml?
16:28 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384237 << what is the nonobvious thing re: static compilation ?
16:28 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 19:29:50; mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez? << there's room for one.
16:28 asciilifeform study the linux loader to see what 'dynamic' means. static is simply... not doing this
16:29 danielpbarron https://twitter.com/fredericjacobs/status/691357634704723969 >> OPERATION: KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM
16:29 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384239 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384263 << this argument is every bit as applicable to everybody's, including mircea_popescu's, cpu...
16:29 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 19:32:48; mircea_popescu: do you understand why your apple "computers" suck ?
16:29 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 19:46:52; mircea_popescu: marginally speaking, if i take random user's ipad and replace it with another ipad, random user'd never know.
16:29 asciilifeform danielpbarron: censored
16:31 danielpbarron >> Holy crap, opening from latest official (Al-Hayat) ISIS video is the decryption of a PGP message.
16:32 danielpbarron is the tweet deleted? i took screenshots of the pgpgram
16:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.00056222 = 46.3832 BTC [+]
16:45 danielpbarron !up LquidNinjaAssets
16:45 danielpbarron who're you?
16:46 mircea_popescu <punkman> this doesn't matter in log in most cases << for one thing, alf was considering using the log for dumping and working with mempool.
16:47 LquidNinjaAssets It doesn't really matter, I was just looking for some #b-a advice on who to use as a hosting service if I wanted to start a no frills blog...
16:47 LquidNinjaAssets something either Pete, or Alf uses
16:47 danielpbarron my advice is get in the WoT and ask again
16:47 LquidNinjaAssets I am in the wot
16:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform likbez is ipso definitio "list of obvious, except not obvious to you"
16:47 LquidNinjaAssets just at work right now
16:50 danielpbarron i was gonna ask BingoBoingo what he uses; i'm tryin to get a blog up as well
16:50 mircea_popescu <danielpbarron> is the tweet deleted? i took screenshots of the pgpgram << it would be. pgp BURNSSSS teh usterrorists.
16:51 danielpbarron hosting i can do myself, but the wordpress i found kinda sucks
16:51 mircea_popescu if you feel like making a qntra out of it all..
16:52 mircea_popescu just a simple "isis finally moving to pgp, like b-a/alf/mp said they should. usg petrified about actual, strong cryptography - as opposed to the ecc and assorted shit they peddle - being deployed by those opposing its reign of terror"
16:52 danielpbarron i'll look into it when i get back to real computer; i'm at a sushi bar atm
16:53 LquidNinjaAssets yes plus all the security holes MP found on there...just something super basic that could be recommended by my wot would be great, thank you
16:53 punkman LquidNinjaAssets: you can see who's hosting where via whois
16:53 mircea_popescu fancy that coincidence, i just had a pile of sushi myself.
16:53 LquidNinjaAssets thanks punkman
16:53 asciilifeform l0l are them pigs flyin'
16:53 punkman contravex looks like godaddy :/
16:53 asciilifeform and censored just as soon.
17:03 thestringpuller asciilifeform: Darwin isn't a complete piece of shit eh? So Apple > Winblows or is this like comparing two bowls of shit and asking which one is less nutty.
17:03 asciilifeform thestringpuller: it is a complete piece of shit
17:03 BingoBoingo I use dreamhost for thedrinkingrecord. It's cost controlled and don't get surprise bills when DDoS
17:03 asciilifeform and the effort required to set it up for any kind of serious work vastly exceeds the effort used to set up a gentoo box
17:04 thestringpuller interesting to see all the love for Gentoo
17:04 BingoBoingo But really choosing a web host is a serious optimization problem.
17:04 asciilifeform but you can work on it, yes. just as you could probably solder a keyboard to a nintendo and work on that.
17:04 BingoBoingo What works for thedrinkingrecord would be unacceptably for Qntra
17:04 thestringpuller asciilifeform: people did that, it was called a commodore64
17:05 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: because qntra has giant "DDOS me" sign on it's back as it walks to halls?
17:05 asciilifeform thestringpuller: i can work on an apple box, with a good bit of sweat. i cannot work on a winblowz box.
17:05 asciilifeform it is entirely impossible without installing something like vmware
17:06 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Because Qntra needs the potential to host wider varieties of content objectionable to shitgnomes
17:07 thestringpuller Working on a winblowz box is the worst experience ever. I did so for 1.5 years writing JBoss web applets. Everyone thought "Oh you can run the dev environment in windows, well you're crazy. THIS IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS" to which I would revolt saying, "Your development process is insane which is why you spent 2.5 mil bringing in AGILE consultants to reduce your bottom line, which didn't fix any of the real problems."
17:08 thestringpuller Eventually all the devs were given macs, (Oh boy upgrade from diahrea to solid feces).
17:08 asciilifeform just imagine a box where you can't pop a shell & grep
17:08 thestringpuller The only people who got anything done around there was DevOps who had a strict (Run linux)
17:08 asciilifeform i would much rather trade the computer for a pencil.
17:09 asciilifeform the funny part is that i have written REAMS of code for winblowz.
17:09 asciilifeform just not ON it.
17:10 asciilifeform and didn't ~build~ it there either.
17:10 thestringpuller you cross compiled it?
17:10 asciilifeform (you can cross-compile trivially, and gcc gives 10x the compactness of vs crud. just treat the box as a kind of nintendo.)
17:10 polarbeard that's... interracial
17:11 thestringpuller aha. does this require posix compliance add-ons in the Windows box?
17:11 asciilifeform NONE
17:11 asciilifeform naked winblowz box, straight from the crate.
17:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00056222 = 13.3527 BTC [+]
17:11 asciilifeform no 'runtimes' or other dependency crud needed.
17:11 thestringpuller aha so straight to win32
17:11 asciilifeform old-fashioned gcc.
17:12 asciilifeform wrote drivers, even
17:12 asciilifeform (which microshit OFFICIALLY proclaims to only be possible using their turdchain)
17:12 asciilifeform think of it this way, anything you could do in asm (and that's everything, period) you can do with gcc.
17:12 polarbeard but did you sign® them?
17:12 asciilifeform did.
17:12 asciilifeform you don't need vs for this, either.
17:12 asciilifeform but who the everliving fuck cares.
17:13 asciilifeform it boggles my mind that anybody ever uses vs for anything at all.
17:14 thestringpuller cuz IDE make lyfe ez
17:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107200 @ 0.00056323 = 60.3783 BTC [+] {3}
17:14 polarbeard ide tells you what to do, calls you bitch if you don't
17:15 BingoBoingo VS has marketing, looks good to managers
17:15 thestringpuller that's like middle school shit. "Sally thinks you're a bitch"
17:16 polarbeard clippy secretly plots your murder, using gentle 'suggestions'
17:16 asciilifeform i will develop ~for~ nintendo, if the money is right. but no amount of money is pay enough for developing ON a nintendo.
17:17 BingoBoingo !up LquidNinjaAssets
17:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00056222 = 29.8539 BTC [-] {2}
17:20 jurov nice, can someone compile crystalspace/eulora with mingw?
17:20 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> just imagine a box where you can't pop a shell & grep << iirc they eventually got a grep in windows too
17:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'powershell' ?
17:20 asciilifeform still not an actual shell.
17:20 polarbeard git for windows installs bash, lol
17:20 mircea_popescu i dun recall what it was
17:20 asciilifeform polarbeard: you can even, e.g., cygwin, and build x11, and actual gcc, and bash, etc.
17:21 polarbeard and tells you to shut up and accept the dick
17:21 asciilifeform but at that point why not use an actual os
17:21 asciilifeform jurov: somebody easily could
17:23 asciilifeform i was even under the impression that the eulora build process was microshit-free
17:23 asciilifeform was wrong about this ?
17:23 jurov yep, wrong
17:23 asciilifeform (i am about as far from the project as could be imagined)
17:24 * BingoBoingo wonders if name is supposed to be read polarbearD or polar beard
17:24 asciilifeform !up gitzain
17:25 jurov i know about cygwin, but never tried to apply
17:25 asciilifeform jurov: you specifically would not want to build something ~for~ cygwin
17:25 mod6 polarbeard: I apprecate your offer to work on the Reference Implementation, but before you get too far along you need to reconcile that -1 from ben.
17:25 asciilifeform this introduces dependency crud
17:25 jurov rather, heard horror storied about mingw
17:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97000 @ 0.00056588 = 54.8904 BTC [+] {5}
17:25 asciilifeform jurov: i worked with mingw for some years.
17:25 diana_coman jurov> nice, can someone compile crystalspace/eulora with mingw? <- I tried that in some days of madness; it didn't end well
17:26 polarbeard mod6: no problem, I'm open to suggestions
17:26 asciilifeform !gettrust polarbeard
17:26 assbot Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user polarbeard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=polarbeard | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/polarbeard/
17:27 mod6 I think you need to ack your previous identity and make ammends. Thats the first step.
17:27 asciilifeform mod6: is this in the log ?
17:27 polarbeard asciilifeform: I nuked my previous identity, for science
17:27 asciilifeform oh for fucks sake
17:27 asciilifeform let's have it
17:28 asciilifeform !s from:ben_vulpes !rate
17:28 assbot 102 results for 'from:ben_vulpes !rate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+%21rate
17:28 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374179 << ?
17:28 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 05:07:56; ben_vulpes: !rate punindented -1 unwelcome here
17:28 mod6 http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/punindented/
17:28 assbot punindented WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeCWYY )
17:28 polarbeard asciilifeform: punindented, nodejs, mawk user
17:28 asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes what's the story re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374179 ?
17:28 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 05:07:56; ben_vulpes: !rate punindented -1 unwelcome here
17:28 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:28 polarbeard and dotfile killah
17:29 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> i was even under the impression that the eulora build process was microshit-free << how are you going to make a windows binary "microshit-free" ?
17:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see thread
17:30 mircea_popescu <mod6> polarbeard: I apprecate your offer to work on the Reference Implementation, but before you get too far along you need to reconcile that -1 from ben. << the what now ?!
17:30 asciilifeform also see thread
17:31 mircea_popescu i have seen both threads, not much changed.
17:31 mod6 polarbeard is punindented, i very much appreciate his offer of help to work on the R.I. but this is a non-starter until ben and polarbeard/punindented reconcile their differences.
17:32 polarbeard but I have nothing against him?
17:32 thestringpuller is it safe to transplant the blockchain between hard drives once it's completed?
17:32 thestringpuller or is it like the fdisk thing where you should --verify-all on restart even if blockchain is downloaded?
17:32 asciilifeform thestringpuller: so long as they have same endian
17:33 mod6 polarbeard: perhaps not. but wot & signing patches is based on trust. you must have a positive rating from members for patches to be accepted.
17:33 thestringpuller this wouldn't change on same machine no? (like pulling blockchain off one drive then putting on another drive, but inside same machine)
17:33 mod6 so lets get this resolved and perhaps we can move forward.
17:33 polarbeard ok, I'll earn that with time, I won't submit until I have positive rating
17:34 BingoBoingo polarbeard: Your best bet is likely starting a blog and putting things you might eventually submit there
17:34 BingoBoingo Shows your growth over time or lack thereof
17:34 mircea_popescu http://misionesonline.net/2016/01/24/obera-un-policia-atropello-a-un-motociclista-lo-mato-y-luego-se-suicido/
17:34 assbot Oberá: un policía se suicidó luego de un accidente que le costó la vida a un motociclista - MisionesOnline ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeDb6f )
17:34 polarbeard I code, I don't write articles
17:34 mircea_popescu "y se pegó un tiro con su pistola reglamentaria."
17:34 BingoBoingo polarbeard: Nothing wrong with blogging code
17:35 BingoBoingo or blogging comments to code
17:35 polarbeard ok, I have a blog on https://gist.github.com/polarbeard
17:35 assbot polarbeard’s gists · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeDdLk )
17:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l!!
17:35 BingoBoingo polarbeard: But you don't own that url in even the pretend sense of having a domain name
17:36 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: is the categories page you used built into the theme or did that have to be created?
17:36 polarbeard do I need a domain name to contribute code?
17:36 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: needed created
17:36 trinque polarbeard: just go talk to ben_vulpes and work out whatever happened there.
17:36 polarbeard BingoBoingo knows what happened, I sent him a log
17:36 BingoBoingo polarbeard: no, but it makes the blog part work more smoothly given how github leiks da censorship
17:37 polarbeard please share it BingoBoingo, if you still have it around
17:37 BingoBoingo trinque: He filpped ben_vulpes paranoia breaker it would take some time for it to reset.
17:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my point re: the mingw thread was that it is entirely possible to write a proggy, for whatever broken & braindamaged box, without inserting ANY bytes that i did not personally decide to insert.
17:37 asciilifeform (i.e. without linking to vendor libs)
17:37 mircea_popescu mod6 there's two (very general) problems here. one is that well, identification's always iffy. how do you go "x=y" when it comes to ids ? the other is that well, with or without wot trust, the guy can still write patches etc. not like anyone can prevent it. not to say that it shouldn't be resolved by any means.
17:37 asciilifeform (it will make os api calls, yes, supposing that we want i/o at all. but this is not same thing)
17:38 BingoBoingo polarbeard: Did rotor eat your copy too?
17:38 polarbeard I didn't save it
17:39 asciilifeform anybody at all can write patches. just like anyone could write a speech for obamitler to read. now to have him actually read it - is a different matter
17:39 mircea_popescu quite exactly.
17:39 mod6 mircea_popescu: he was talking to me in pm when he decided not to reconcile with ben and created a new ident. i can't sign stuff from a guy who i know that my co-chair has neg-rated.
17:39 mircea_popescu i cansee that.
17:39 mircea_popescu what was it anyway ?
17:39 * mircea_popescu points out that all this private talk just makeswork down the line.
17:39 BingoBoingo polarbeard: dpaste ate it.
17:40 asciilifeform aha
17:40 mod6 the dispute? i dunno. his ident was 'punindented
17:40 asciilifeform anything you say in 'private' about trb will generally end up having to be repeated at least once.
17:40 polarbeard that's okay, I won't submit anything if you don't want / have the time to read
17:40 mod6 i asked him to resolve this, but this has gone too far now.
17:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and then the differences evaluated and it's just not fucking worth it.
17:40 asciilifeform ^
17:40 BingoBoingo But there is http://dpaste.com/3DJ855N.txt
17:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeDr5b )
17:40 asciilifeform this is why i almost never 'pm' at all these days
17:41 asciilifeform launch codes go over pgp, everything else can be here.
17:42 polarbeard mod6: I created a new ident because I nuked my keys, but I understand your position, you could have told me I'm not welcomed as well, instead of talking to me
17:42 mod6 ah, thats right. forgot you blew away your keys. but still, i gvae you ample time to resolve this with ben.
17:43 BingoBoingo polarbeard: The solution is not simply new name. It is building a history and working towards the comprehensive exam.
17:43 mircea_popescu now we're all stuck sitting around looking at a high strung dramatique discussion with a missing antecedent.
17:43 polarbeard I don't know how to resolve the fact that he doesn't like people build stuff for nodejs
17:43 mircea_popescu this is loathsome.
17:43 BingoBoingo !s comprehensive exam
17:43 assbot 4 results for 'comprehensive exam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=comprehensive+exam
17:44 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> this is loathsome. << This
17:44 asciilifeform there is a more serious problem
17:44 asciilifeform polarbeard tells us that he nuked his keys
17:44 mircea_popescu so ?
17:44 asciilifeform and was formerly mr. somebodyelse
17:44 asciilifeform on what authority is this to be taken ?
17:44 BingoBoingo ^
17:44 polarbeard formerly I was nobody, I'm still nobody
17:44 polarbeard ben's was my first rate
17:44 mircea_popescu well thatg's what i said. how do you know "x is y". you basicaLLY don't.
17:45 asciilifeform aha.
17:45 mircea_popescu only way this works is if x says "i will be y".
17:45 mircea_popescu y saying "i was x" is nonsense.
17:45 asciilifeform maybe i was catherine the great, aha.
17:45 asciilifeform or horse.
17:45 mircea_popescu moreover, gpg is specificalloy intended to work as a PSEUDONYMOUS system. much like bitcoin addresses are.
17:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58293 @ 0.00056458 = 32.9111 BTC [-] {2}
17:46 mircea_popescu there's nothing fundamentally wrong with being a dozen different oens.
17:46 mircea_popescu whether you like the idea or not - jack shit you can do aobut it.
17:47 mircea_popescu moreover, the corruptive influence of bitcoin over enemies works in gpg and v space too.
17:47 mircea_popescu new identity has to put in effort to establish trust. if it wants to abuse it later... it does have to burn it.
17:47 mircea_popescu keep things so it's never worth doing that, you don't care if it's hitler's own id.
17:47 asciilifeform see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325347
17:47 assbot Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 'I didn't know that,' I said. 'No one knows everything,' he said. 'Did you know,' he said, 'that until almost this very moment nothing would have delighted me more than to prove that you were a spy, to see you shot?' 'No,' I said. 'And do you know why I don't care now if you were a spy or not?' he said. 'You could tell me now that you were a spy, and we would go on talking calmly, just as w
17:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325348
17:48 assbot Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand.
17:48 mircea_popescu quite.
17:48 mircea_popescu and to bring back that very obscure thing on trilema about sybils etc :
17:48 mircea_popescu the ONLY viable attack against the wot is getting people to act in systematic manners.
17:48 mircea_popescu it is the direct equivalent of entropy-diddling for keysystems.
17:49 mircea_popescu not only "there's nothing common about common sense" - but there's a very good reason for this. common sense is decentralized system poison.
17:50 asciilifeform when i explain this to folks, i like to use the example of liquid nitrogen sausage
17:50 asciilifeform hit ordinary sausage with a hammer, nothing, it gets a little flatter
17:50 asciilifeform now freeze it solid, do the same...
17:51 mircea_popescu yeah. vitrification kills.
17:52 asciilifeform the ~structure~ kills.
17:52 mircea_popescu destructure all teh things!
17:52 mircea_popescu hey - this actuyally works. fundamentally, we're destructuralists.
17:52 mircea_popescu comes after post-poststructuralism.
17:53 asciilifeform now, a very hot sausage melts into goo, burns. an entirely destructured forum - timecubes.
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00056222 = 45.9334 BTC [-] {2}
17:53 mircea_popescu there is no such thing as "entirely destructured".
17:54 asciilifeform sure.
17:54 asciilifeform but it is possible to ionize the sausage.
17:54 asciilifeform and generally undesirable.
17:54 mircea_popescu no but this is important. the measure is not 0-> but (undefined) ->
17:54 mircea_popescu very different sort of algebra.
17:55 asciilifeform we actually don't have an algebra for entropy measures, other than shannon's
17:55 mircea_popescu more generally, there's no algebra with a 1 but not a 0 in this sense afaik.
17:56 asciilifeform riddle time:
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17:56 asciilifeform char *p = sc->strbuff;
17:56 asciilifeform while ((p - sc->strbuff < sizeof(sc->strbuff)) &&
17:56 asciilifeform !is_one_of(delim, (*p++ = inchar(sc))));
17:56 asciilifeform from where ?
17:56 mircea_popescu openssh
17:56 asciilifeform tinyscheme
17:56 thestringpuller L0L
17:56 asciilifeform 'who does this?!'
17:56 asciilifeform (tm) (r)
17:57 thestringpuller (c)
17:57 mircea_popescu openssh!
17:58 jurov linus
17:59 asciilifeform folks who produce 'gems' like this, are prime candidates for http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Iran-Finger-Amputation-ISNA-3.jpg
17:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeE9zp )
18:00 mircea_popescu the sad truth is that this is a very specific sort of ideal.
18:00 mircea_popescu like the bell bottoms, a fashion of the 70s
18:01 asciilifeform how's that
18:03 mircea_popescu i dunno how to explain it otherwise.
18:03 asciilifeform which would be the 'ideal'
18:04 asciilifeform wanton pointer arithmetic ?
18:04 asciilifeform to save five lines but add an hour to the time of anybody trying to actually grasp the meaning ?
18:06 jurov "idiomatic C"
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18:07 mircea_popescu that, yes.
18:07 mircea_popescu sorta like crossword puzzles, same thing. a sort of cleverness.
18:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139750 @ 0.00056459 = 78.9015 BTC [+]
18:22 mircea_popescu !up srijan
18:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125750 @ 0.00056222 = 70.6992 BTC [-]
18:30 asciilifeform http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/Jul/13 but interestingly the classical tinyscheme does not even have the original 0day
18:30 assbot Full Disclosure: Re: ScriptFu Server Buffer Overflow in GIMP <= 2.6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WI6jEr )
18:30 asciilifeform it was introduced in the... guess...
18:30 asciilifeform utf8-ificated one.
18:30 asciilifeform where else
18:30 asciilifeform though the cited bit is still disgusting
18:31 asciilifeform (it is from ver. 1.41)
18:32 asciilifeform circa, iirc, 1999.
18:32 asciilifeform (cited earlier in this thread, that is)
18:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00056432 = 29.4857 BTC [+] {3}
18:35 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384565 << i offer that such folks be given a chance to stop, asked nicely. after this, to be hit with a heavy blunt object. and then hit again, and again, until they are no longer a danger to others.
18:35 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 23:06:37; jurov: "idiomatic C"
18:35 asciilifeform 'clever' aha.
18:38 jurov merely tasking them to understand existing code is sufficient. "and no, you're not allowed to redo it nor pull libraries"
18:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114650 @ 0.00056034 = 64.243 BTC [-] {2}
18:52 asciilifeform !up kefkius
18:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47215 @ 0.00056459 = 26.6571 BTC [+]
18:56 danielpbarron snowden twatter account says the isis pgp is fake
18:56 asciilifeform where is the kennedy assassination dossier it promised.
18:57 asciilifeform (speaking of folks with no pubkey!)
18:59 ben_vulpes so i've only negrated this punindented identity
19:00 ben_vulpes and given that the character's lost or whatevered those keys, i don't see any reason for a) that to change or b) influence how the wot regards polarbeard
19:00 ben_vulpes and as specifically regards polarbeard, i am happy to review patches
19:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: let's say tomorrow some new fella shows up, new key, and admits that he is ninjashogun who lost his key...
19:01 asciilifeform also makes no difference ?
19:01 asciilifeform or,
19:01 asciilifeform 'admission against interest' ?
19:02 ben_vulpes but register formal irritation re your inability or refusal to answer to inquiries such as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384093
19:02 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 09:44:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383814 << if by external you mean: does not introduce further dependencies into the codebase, maybe, depending on the tool
19:02 asciilifeform (i think in usa it is called 'declaration against interest' but ianal)
19:02 ben_vulpes and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384095
19:02 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 09:44:25; ben_vulpes: also lol what /we/ who are /you/?
19:02 asciilifeform useful concept
19:02 mircea_popescu <jurov> merely tasking them to understand existing code is sufficient. "and no, you're not allowed to redo it nor pull libraries" << jurov has it.
19:03 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> also makes no difference ? <<< quite.
19:03 mircea_popescu what difference would it make ?
19:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005592 = 5.2006 BTC [-] {3}
19:05 polarbeard ben_vulpes: sorry, I missed that one, I was talking about a tool like logrotate
19:05 polarbeard which I think comes by default in all linux distros, idk about unixes though
19:06 danielpbarron https://imgur.com/a/meH0a << here's my screenshots, completely raw and unedited
19:07 assbot isis pgp - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIafoM )
19:07 polarbeard all I can say is that log rotation is daily business on most decent systems, but if anybody has a rational answer against it I would not remove shitty-ghost-rotation from trb
19:08 ben_vulpes yes, i don't quite care about 'statements against interest'
19:08 asciilifeform danielpbarron: that key id appears to be quite illegible
19:08 danielpbarron yeah i can't figure it out either
19:09 ben_vulpes someone can show up tomorrow and claim to be tiberius, tat, smickles, and until they sign with keys that prove it they're either joking or some other thing i don't understand
19:09 punkman ben_vulpes: would ya read ninjashogun's patches?
19:09 danielpbarron "snowden" says same
19:09 ben_vulpes punkman: for lolz most definitely
19:09 ben_vulpes and who knows what else of interest might be in 'em
19:09 asciilifeform danielpbarron: and whose pgptron prints 'Decryption....'
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19:09 asciilifeform and wtf
19:09 ben_vulpes what harm'd there be in the reading i ask
19:10 asciilifeform danielpbarron: and why would message text be in english
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19:10 asciilifeform and, and.
19:10 ben_vulpes so polarbeard burned his previous identity by getting uppity with me. what of it.
19:10 asciilifeform and i won't even comment on the nonsensical contents.
19:10 ben_vulpes it's not submitting patches any more, so i don't see the point of the discussion.
19:11 danielpbarron yeh, so is this still a qntra article or..?
19:11 asciilifeform danielpbarron: potentially. can mention all of these points.
19:11 mircea_popescu danielpbarron possibly not.
19:11 asciilifeform 'alleged martian corpse found. but appears to be that of a dog with pig ears glued on'
19:12 ben_vulpes mod6, polarbeard, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: y'all follow?
19:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: how to operate your wot is between you and odin
19:12 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yeah, i think you nailed the matter, can be laid to rest.
19:12 asciilifeform i certainly see the rationale here
19:13 ben_vulpes provisions are in place for noobs to fuck up and recover.
19:14 ben_vulpes you'll note i'm not handing out 1's just for showing up any more.
19:14 ben_vulpes *and*
19:15 mircea_popescu i'm still a slut. while that lasts.
19:16 jurov ;;later tell mike_c just an idea - if the rating is public, you can link the logs
19:16 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:16 asciilifeform ;;seen mike_c
19:16 gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
19:16 mircea_popescu i think it's really best practice to rate in chan.
19:17 asciilifeform anybody know him in the meat? is the fella on a polar voyage or what
19:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc shitty job + new kid.
19:17 asciilifeform ah
19:17 ben_vulpes (and once again polarbeard /who are you/?)
19:17 * asciilifeform tries to picture harsher job than his own, it's gotta involve petro drilling platforms with no connectivity or sumthin'
19:18 jurov breeding pigs in space
19:18 asciilifeform i would also like to know ~who is~ polarbeard
19:18 asciilifeform кто ты по жизни, polarbeard ?
19:19 ben_vulpes (while it may appear to /you/ that the mega participants in this cult are disembodied names, /we/ all know each other -- names, geographic locations, general type of employ, but /you/ do not have this [or i'll point out] any pedigree here)
19:20 jurov eh calm down
19:20 jurov you think that deaf idiot at the conference was really me?
19:20 asciilifeform l0l!
19:20 ben_vulpes how could i know, jurov! i never saw a keyid from you.
19:21 jurov :D
19:22 ben_vulpes heh that is an interesting hole in the keysigning party i guess
19:22 ben_vulpes what if the person showing up is not actually the keyholder
19:22 asciilifeform first time i was to see mircea_popescu, i actually had no idea how he will pick me out of the crowd at the airport. but he did.
19:22 ben_vulpes same way everyone else singles you out of the crowd lol
19:22 asciilifeform everyone, l0l
19:23 ben_vulpes i'd seen the photos from c2, 'twas how i knew you and mike_c
19:25 mod6 heh, there was such a crowd at the exit of the security area, me and Mr. P. walked right by eachother I think.
19:25 mircea_popescu yeah cuz crazy argentines, they're like excited sheep in the airport.
19:25 ben_vulpes planez!
19:25 asciilifeform dirigiblez!
19:26 ben_vulpes polarbeard: hey can you confirm for the log that you understand what's going on with your various idents?
19:27 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> mod6, polarbeard, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: y'all follow? << this is my 0.00000002: If you don't trust a man, no matter what his keyid is today, how can i ignore that and trust a new ident? The correct thing to do as a man, admit your mistake, and or ask for forgiveness and move on. Simple as that. We're all adults here.
19:27 polarbeard yes, I understand, it wasn't my intention to change nick, I nuked my keys
19:28 polarbeard I *loved* that nick
19:28 mircea_popescu mod6 well basically, cause the concept of "a man" is pretty much the key.
19:28 ben_vulpes ^^
19:28 mod6 And I understand that part too Mr. P. Typically, this is what seperates us from 'dog'.
19:28 mircea_popescu now a dog you can't trust!
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19:28 ben_vulpes polarbeard: coulda kept the nick, but registered a new key and we'd be in the same spot.
19:28 polarbeard and definitely not ready to tell more about my true and only self
19:28 ben_vulpes freenode nicks are not crypto.
19:29 polarbeard maybe one day, I don't kiss in the first date
19:29 mircea_popescu lol
19:29 mod6 For posterity: Do not do this. If you get a neg rating and you care about your wot ident, do be an adult and do as I said. Lot less problems and drama this way.
19:29 polarbeard ben_vulpes: I asked somebody if assbot can be forced to forget the nick, it can't
19:29 polarbeard or that somebody told me
19:29 asciilifeform http://www.retrodirizhabl.ru/m04.jpg << mircea_popescu's dirigible
19:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4p1HD )
19:30 mod6 To me, this all felt like subversion. I didn
19:30 ben_vulpes at orbital heights no less
19:30 mod6 't like that.
19:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: and no smaller than mexico
19:31 mod6 Being honest and forthcoming about matters will always go much father with me than anything else. ftr.
19:31 ben_vulpes ENTIRELY unrelated: http://thismighthurt.tumblr.com/post/137653621429/siren-school-by-isabella-rotman-buy-the-comic << girl sends this along
19:31 assbot This Might Hurt, but I'm Hungry ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4pauE )
19:33 jurov kek, airship alternative to trans-siberian train.. now that'd be some achievement for hipsters
19:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: much related to earlier thread !
19:33 asciilifeform where http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384137
19:33 assbot Logged on 24-01-2016 14:40:14; mircea_popescu: "About a week ago, this pretty girl messages me out of the blue and we hit it off. We talked that night up until 5 AM and we have so much things in common. > She loves Star Wars > Plays video games > All other super nerdy shit > Never met a girl like that" << holy shit, this "all that much" evaluates to almost 0. wtf is wrong with people.
19:34 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: indeed!
19:40 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> yeah cuz crazy argentines, they're like excited sheep in the airport. << haha, it was a big crowd. You picked me out pretty quick.
19:45 mod6 Also: From now on, if you are not in my WoT, and you are a n00b here, any pm's will be ignored, and you will feed my ignore list.
19:45 ben_vulpes i still love you vexual baby
19:47 ben_vulpes very interesting problems that crop up in the curation of the wot.
19:48 mats he doesn't pm me anymore, probably because i'm not as fun as ben_vulpes
19:49 ben_vulpes our timezones are so far off he just leaves me messages
19:49 ben_vulpes unless the kid's up at 4 or whatever, i rarely actually interact with him.
19:49 ben_vulpes heh
19:49 ben_vulpes makes me sound like a great parent
19:49 asciilifeform in other news, the 'shiva' thing is nearing 6,000 ln.
19:50 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: loc?
19:50 asciilifeform aha
19:50 * ben_vulpes grimaces
19:50 ben_vulpes approaching usable?
19:50 asciilifeform for connoisseurs only.
19:51 * ben_vulpes looking forward to it
19:52 trinque odd that it's trivial to figure out where I moved the deedbot- node, yet... works now.
19:53 trinque whereas on AWS, blackholed to death
19:53 asciilifeform trinque: all of my nodes ban aws
19:54 asciilifeform as for prb, it doesn't like talking to trb (esp. with the malleus patch)
19:54 trinque yep, but this was just connecting to whomever he wanted
20:03 mod6 Ok moving on.
20:04 mod6 mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes et. al., any further thoughts if we should clean up the code alignment (currently with spaces) post release and do a one-time clean up with tabs?
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20:05 mod6 Trying to decide if I should post 'http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt' to the ML.
20:07 ben_vulpes mod6: appears to be a useful tool
20:09 mod6 So the difference in 'http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt' is that the block of code in Sign() is spaced with tabs. And to Mr. P.'s point it should probably be all in a file or nothing. Otherwise its mis-matched. Some with spaces, some with tabs.
20:09 mod6 I'm prefectly happy to reconstruct the patch with spaces to stay in alignment with the current (albiet unwated) spacing scheme.
20:10 mod6 And then we can re-align post release.
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20:10 mod6 Or, we can halt everything else, and create a new genesis and re-align, re-vpatch and re-sign everything.
20:12 polarbeard mod6: honest question, why using two flags if they can't be used at the same time?
20:13 polarbeard can't it be like a three state flag? 0 -> no enforce, 1 -> enforce low, 2 -> enforce high
20:13 polarbeard wink wink, ternary computers
20:16 asciilifeform polarbeard: i originally suggested this
20:16 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2016#1379610
20:16 assbot Logged on 21-01-2016 13:36:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379490 << rather than have the statement checking for luser who set both flags high and barfing, why not have two flags, e.g., 'forceS' and 'lowhighS'.
20:16 polarbeard that's still too flags, I searched before asking :)
20:16 polarbeard *two
20:17 asciilifeform polarbeard: you're still using 2 bits.
20:18 polarbeard that's right, I only mean to simplify usage (if that matters to anybody)
20:19 ben_vulpes i prefer my c++ as antagonistic as possible
20:21 polarbeard also removes one conditional, as ascii noted days ago
20:23 mod6 so what we want, is three different ways: no force one way or another, force high, or force low. remember, i originally didn't want to do a force high at all. but since asciilifeform requested this, i'm entertaining this option.
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20:24 mod6 I believe we need two flags.
20:25 mod6 If we simply get rid of 'fHighS' and 'fLowS' and replace with say 'fForceS', then how can we differentiate between entering into the high or low if block?
20:25 polarbeard not using a boolean
20:26 polarbeard or using two booleans, ascii's way
20:26 mod6 am i not using two booleans, polarbeard?
20:26 polarbeard but yours are contradictory
20:27 polarbeard therefore the need for the conditional
20:27 mod6 how would one set this singular boolean?
20:27 mod6 remember, i want a default state to *not* require a flag at all.
20:27 polarbeard you can't, using a single boolean, do you mean an int?
20:28 mod6 right, i'd prefer not to use an int.
20:28 ben_vulpes mod6: why not?
20:29 mod6 because it causes confusion to have -forceS=0 (low) and -forceS=1
20:29 polarbeard you can use signeds, and then -1 0 1
20:29 mod6 from a user standpoint, i feel like its more conusing anyway.
20:29 polarbeard 0 is the default, you may give -forceS=0 though, but that has no effect
20:29 mod6 polarbeard: keep in mind that i considered all of this over a week ago -- and decided against it. so yeah, i have put a lot of thought into this.
20:30 mod6 added complexity will result in bugs.
20:30 * asciilifeform observes that this thread has already taken up more space than the patch.
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20:30 ben_vulpes i have a hard time giving a shit about the ergonomics when it's covered in finger-snipping blades already.
20:30 ben_vulpes deck chairs.
20:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00055728 = 37.4492 BTC [-]
20:31 ben_vulpes oh come now asciilifeform like we don't waste time on vastly more trivial shit all the time
20:31 mod6 ^
20:31 asciilifeform ~we~
20:31 mod6 and asciilifeform, keep in mind that this is a *must* fix. i think that is vastly important that we discuss this in channel.
20:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00055728 = 6.1858 BTC [-]
20:31 ben_vulpes ideally such a thread would result in a philosophical statement that'd guide future flags.
20:32 asciilifeform mod6: ok. the rationale for my suggested thing was that no-flag ought to revert to 100% classical behaviour
20:32 mod6 agreed.
20:32 asciilifeform as in exactly same code.
20:33 asciilifeform high s variant is exquisitely useful for when we get a pool.
20:34 mod6 which is why i added that part.
20:34 asciilifeform low s is useful so mircea_popescu can get his tx out without waiting a week.
20:34 asciilifeform what remains ?
20:34 mod6 i think there seems to be questions around why i have two booleans.
20:34 mod6 i believe my implementation to be correct.
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20:36 asciilifeform what's the diff b/w 'ECDSA_sign' and 'ECDSA_do_sign' ?
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20:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182722 @ 0.00055685 = 101.7487 BTC [-] {3}
20:37 mod6 what are you driving at here?
20:37 asciilifeform mod6: i've no idea
20:37 asciilifeform but i do not know the difference
20:37 asciilifeform and would like to
20:37 asciilifeform reading the proposed patch
20:37 ben_vulpes http://openssl.sourcearchive.com/documentation/0.9.8o-5ubuntu1/crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h_a22916b9617edac877f99da5b78de7ce1.html#a22916b9617edac877f99da5b78de7ce1
20:37 assbot openssl 0.9.8o-5ubuntu1, crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h_a22916b9617edac877f99da5b78de7ce1.html ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZM78MD )
20:37 ben_vulpes http://openssl.sourcearchive.com/documentation/0.9.8o-5ubuntu1/crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h_aa6f4bce46de947050b5cc529b310392c.html
20:37 assbot openssl 0.9.8o-5ubuntu1, crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h_aa6f4bce46de947050b5cc529b310392c.html ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZM77YU )
20:38 ben_vulpes which is not the blessed openssl, but...
20:38 asciilifeform ah ok
20:39 ben_vulpes appears to be a wrapper around do_sign to some extent or another
20:39 ben_vulpes gah this return value shit is hilarious
20:43 ben_vulpes mod6: what's the rationale behind including the commented out printfs?
20:55 mod6 so the deal there is that was just some debugging info -- that may be useful to someone at some point.
20:55 mod6 there was a discussion around this, and decided to leave them in as a result. will dig up...
20:56 mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379707
20:56 assbot Logged on 21-01-2016 15:20:05; mod6: does anyone have any pref on the commented out DEBUG statements for the finalized one? just remove them?
20:57 mod6 anyway, asciilifeform yeah, i just grabbed that entire bit of code from here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3/src/key.cpp#L202-L227
20:57 assbot bitcoin/key.cpp at v0.9.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxUUSi )
20:58 mod6 I'm not an expert on the openssl internals. If you think I should not trust ECDSA_do_sign and reimplment with ECDSA_sign, I can.
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21:01 mod6 i suppose if we continue to use ECDSA_sign, we can continue to use: memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize);
21:07 ben_vulpes that'd be closest to the original code
21:08 ben_vulpes and imho preferrable for that reason.
21:08 mod6 true
21:08 mod6 not sure what to do abut this tho:
21:08 mod6 unsigned char pchSig[10000];
21:10 ben_vulpes perhaps fixing magic numbers is out of scope for a patch to force s-values?
21:11 mircea_popescu ^
21:11 * mircea_popescu goes to read teh log
21:12 ben_vulpes mod6: are you referring to fixing the magic numbers?
21:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384722 << well, the proposal was for you to release current, 99996 or what it comes to, after which take a step back and do a clean of the spaces, make it 99995
21:13 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 01:04:29; mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes et. al., any further thoughts if we should clean up the code alignment (currently with spaces) post release and do a one-time clean up with tabs?
21:13 mircea_popescu so you get a week off or something, during which people just run teh script and sign the results.
21:13 mircea_popescu even a mod6 needs a week off now and again.
21:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384727 << this seems sane.
21:14 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 01:10:06; mod6: And then we can re-align post release.
21:15 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384741 << stop paying attention to these dudes, optimizing the wrong shed.
21:15 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 01:23:27; mod6: so what we want, is three different ways: no force one way or another, force high, or force low. remember, i originally didn't want to do a force high at all. but since asciilifeform requested this, i'm entertaining this option.
21:15 mircea_popescu !up aknix
21:15 aknix Thanks!
21:15 mircea_popescu aha. who're you ?
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21:17 mod6 Ok sounds good mircea_popescu. I'll stop my current work on the high/low patch. I'll spend this week getting the changes [.wot in the pwd, and mechanical post-patch hash checking] in V [v99996] released. Then I'll immediately begin work on a re-alignment of all the patches we currently are distributing.
21:17 mircea_popescu wait.
21:17 mod6 ok
21:17 mircea_popescu what's your current work on teh patch ?
21:17 aknix was actually just seeing if the channel was public again. Used to stop by now and then.
21:18 mod6 Nothing more than "send to the list", if its current form 'http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt' is acceptable.
21:18 mircea_popescu that's kinda what i had in mind too.
21:19 mod6 Ok. I can get that done tonight yet.
21:19 mircea_popescu i guess i unwittingly confused you, sorry about that. the S-patch was not actually intended to mark a new release did it ?
21:19 mod6 Oh no.
21:19 mod6 But it probably would have been the last thing to go into the tree before a release patch.
21:20 mod6 (a vpatch to tie them all together)
21:20 mircea_popescu oh ok, my bad. so what i was thinking here is : a) finish the patch ; b) do all the other stuff you were going to do in your own time ; c) when ready make a new version ; d) take a week off, during which everyone [who cares to] can write and run a script to / /
21:20 mircea_popescu after which back to normal. that sound sane ?
21:21 mod6 Yeah, sounds good. Thanks, want to get all of this done in a sane order and timely fashion.
21:21 mircea_popescu so we'll have the 99996 > 99995 be "all tabulation, machine checkable"
21:21 mircea_popescu and while it'd be tempting to overload it with stuff like moving the {, i would think it's better not to. make it simple and sweet to check.
21:21 mircea_popescu stuff like { much easier to fix as patches/code is reviewed, by and by.
21:22 mod6 agreed. let's try to keep it just down to the tabs for now.
21:22 mod6 im sure i might need some more guidence when I get to working on that part, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
21:22 mircea_popescu this'd be the last juncture at which people who seriously and staunchly are against the space to tab switch should raise hell.
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21:23 mircea_popescu and yes ben_vulpes is writing a style guide from what i understand
21:23 mod6 yeah, and this should make it all easier going forward to create the vpatch. overall, a good move sooner rather than later imho.
21:23 mircea_popescu >D
21:23 mod6 heheheh
21:23 ben_vulpes wutnostahp
21:23 mircea_popescu you said.
21:24 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380810 << does it not /drip/ with sarcasm?
21:24 assbot Logged on 22-01-2016 04:10:33; ben_vulpes: WHY NOT WRITE A STYLE GUIDE WHILE WE'RE AT IT
21:24 mircea_popescu so ?
21:24 mircea_popescu it's my party, i can be a straight man if i want to
21:24 mircea_popescu straight if i want to...
21:25 mircea_popescu you would straight too-ooo-hoooh!
21:25 mod6 haha
21:25 mod6 !b 4
21:25 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1B02DJ7.txt )
21:25 * ben_vulpes checks todo list
21:26 ben_vulpes entire code base is almost guaranteed to be in conflict with any style guide unfortunately.
21:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384778 << yeah it's fine.
21:28 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 01:34:57; mod6: i believe my implementation to be correct.
21:30 polarbeard 'corel devs did that on purpos to split the comuniteh!'
21:32 thestringpuller so. they took out verifyall in core bitcoind and replaced it with -reindex. -reindex doesn't disregard checkpoints. or at least no one knows if it does or not. how do these people have Ph.D's and shit?
21:32 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: thoughts on ecdsa calls?
21:33 ben_vulpes "father's pistols"?
21:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384779 <<< i don't think you're ready for this one son.
21:34 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 01:36:11; asciilifeform: what's the diff b/w 'ECDSA_sign' and 'ECDSA_do_sign' ?
21:34 mircea_popescu ECDSA_sign() is wrapper function for ECDSA_sign_ex with kinv and rp set to NULL ; ECDSA_do_sign() is wrapper function for ECDSA_do_sign_ex with kinv and rp set to NULL. ECDSA_sign_ex() computes a digital signature of the dgstlen bytes hash value dgst using the private EC key eckey and the optional pre-computed values kinv and rp. The DER encoded signatures is stored in sig and it's length is returned in sig_len. (sig
21:34 mircea_popescu must point to ECDSA_size bytes of memory, the parameter type ~is ignored~). Meanwhile ECDSA_do_sign_ex() computes a digital signature of the dgst_len bytes hash value dgst using the private key eckey and the optional precomputed values kinv and rp. The signature is returned in a newly allocated ECDSA_SIG structure (or NULL on error).
21:34 mircea_popescu geddit ?
21:34 mircea_popescu funny ben_vulpes, i was juist on that.
21:35 mircea_popescu thestringpuller verification of any functional kind is the sworn enemy of anyone with phds. thinkaboutit.
21:35 ben_vulpes i'm stalking your log progress
21:36 mircea_popescu fancy that, someone actually thought this is how you design a function stack.
21:37 ben_vulpes i will point out that changing to the wrapper implementation implies audits to be done of the implementation delta.
21:37 mircea_popescu the difference between the two, incidentally, is not trivial.
21:38 ben_vulpes still 'fine'?
21:38 mircea_popescu !s fine from:mircea
21:38 assbot 822 results for 'fine from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fine+from%3Amircea
21:39 mircea_popescu which one ?
21:40 ben_vulpes most recent
21:40 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes we were discussing flags.
21:41 BingoBoingo <danielpbarron> yeh, so is this still a qntra article or..? << If you submit something with all of the point brought up it channel, its chance of publication is a weighted coinflip. Depends what you can make of it.
21:41 ben_vulpes HA DERP
21:41 ben_vulpes my bad.
21:41 mircea_popescu http://openssl.sourcearchive.com/documentation/0.9.8o-5ubuntu1/ecs__sign_8c_source.html#l00067 << they're here.
21:41 assbot openssl 0.9.8o-5ubuntu1, ecs__sign_8c_source.html ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwg5HM )
21:43 ben_vulpes right but if we stick to the old impl the audit is no longer required.
21:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384844 << i'd like to know what mircea_popescu intends to do about ~future~ style-nonconformant patches.
21:43 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 02:22:44; mircea_popescu: this'd be the last juncture at which people who seriously and staunchly are against the space to tab switch should raise hell.
21:43 mircea_popescu the do version ultimately returns return ecdsa->meth->ecdsa_do_sign(dgst, dlen, kinv, rp, eckey); while the no-do version just calls the do version.
21:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not sign them.
21:43 asciilifeform gonna reject because my emacs emits a mixture of tabs'n'spaces ?
21:43 mircea_popescu it does ?!
21:43 asciilifeform i have it align columns when possible
21:44 asciilifeform so now i gotta write an elisp for trb
21:44 asciilifeform whereas before i did not
21:44 mircea_popescu what non-tabulated collumns do you use ?!
21:44 ben_vulpes i am still anti-tab, delimiter token hoojaberry aside
21:44 asciilifeform indentation to the ( in an if ( ... etc
21:44 mircea_popescu you indent to the ( not to the if ?!
21:45 asciilifeform the 1st line of the inner block - yes
21:45 asciilifeform like k&r did.
21:45 polarbeard mircea_popescu: look who removed the magicnum https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9ef7fa34
21:45 assbot Code cleanup: use ECDSA_size() instead of fixed 10,000 byte sig buffe… · bitcoin/bitcoin@9ef7fa3 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwgv0X )
21:45 asciilifeform generally i see 'style guide' as a thing between the writer and his gods
21:45 ben_vulpes indentation is poetry in any lisp
21:45 mircea_popescu polarbeard you're not familiar with history. 2011 gavin is ok gavin.
21:46 mircea_popescu see http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/
21:46 assbot And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvB8Kx )
21:46 asciilifeform to proclaim one in a project which did not previously have one, creates a megatonne of work for a great many people, to no very obvious benefit
21:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, if there's no consensus, there's no consensus and there it goes.
21:46 asciilifeform the people whose crap i cannot stand reading, are the ones WITHOUT A CONSISTENT style.
21:46 mircea_popescu poor mod6 gets no week off!
21:47 asciilifeform lack of any style at all is generally symptomatic of serious cranial cockroaches
21:47 ben_vulpes only reasonable style guide for this codebase is "make it look like the lines immediately above and below"
21:47 mircea_popescu hey, if the change is not obviously a good thing it's probably a bad idea. it pisses me the fuck off, but whatevs, i'll sed or something.
21:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232600 @ 0.0005613 = 130.5584 BTC [-] {3}
21:48 asciilifeform sed, sed.
21:48 asciilifeform i'm not even opposed to the thing getting retabulated on releases.
21:48 mircea_popescu i can't code worth a crap anyway.
21:48 asciilifeform but rejecting patches because they have the wrong terminal bells is lunacy
21:48 polarbeard ben_vulpes: lol, vi... I mean notepad.exe has a plugin for that
21:49 ben_vulpes what that
21:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform perhaps rejecting workers because they forgot to wipe their ass this morning also ?
21:49 asciilifeform polarbeard: didja write a patch and i missed it reading the log ?
21:49 polarbeard asciilifeform: gavin did
21:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384801 << there's ~no difference.
21:50 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 01:58:21; mod6: I'm not an expert on the openssl internals. If you think I should not trust ECDSA_do_sign and reimplment with ECDSA_sign, I can.
21:50 polarbeard ben_vulpes: for looking to the lines above and below and use that as the defaults
21:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a raft of cosmetic/credible fixes between .5 and .6.
21:50 asciilifeform well, one allocates, the other drops in place
21:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the one calls the other anyway.
21:50 asciilifeform aha, was reading ben_vulpes's links earlier saw this
21:51 mircea_popescu you mean my links ?
21:51 asciilifeform and them
21:51 mircea_popescu his are badly tabulated, don't count.
21:51 asciilifeform l0l
21:52 * ben_vulpes rolls eyes
21:52 ben_vulpes polarbeard: huh i had no idea editors needed plugins to do that
21:52 ben_vulpes the abominable variable naming alignment, yes
21:53 BingoBoingo <thestringpuller> so. they took out verifyall in core bitcoind and replaced it with -reindex. -reindex doesn't disregard checkpoints. or at least no one knows if it does or not. how do these people have Ph.D's and shit? << -reindex and -verifyall are two different things.
21:53 asciilifeform incidentally -verifyall was not in the classical bitcoin !
21:53 asciilifeform i added it !
21:53 mircea_popescu iirc also .6 branch
21:53 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=verifyall << i don't see any
21:53 assbot Search Results · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwhEpf )
21:54 mircea_popescu was a flurry of "build confidence & establish trust" activity cca 2011 / early 2012.
21:54 asciilifeform did they call it something else ?
21:54 mircea_popescu yeah, what was it
21:54 mircea_popescu -checkblocks=<n> How many blocks to check at startup (default: 288, 0 = all)
21:55 asciilifeform 288?!!
21:55 asciilifeform how was this arrived at, gotta ask
21:55 asciilifeform ouija board/
21:55 asciilifeform ?
21:55 mircea_popescu heh. this is novel,
21:55 mircea_popescu it's a rewriting of an older thing
21:55 mircea_popescu back when they added "check level" too, maybe 0.9 ?
22:00 mircea_popescu https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/972 < there we go
22:00 assbot Add -checklevel and improve -checkblocks by sipa · Pull Request #972 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwisuq )
22:00 mircea_popescu later on those 6 levels became just 4.
22:01 mircea_popescu then later went from $$$___MAGIC_nUmBeR...you are not expected to understand how this works...ReBmUn_CIGAM___$$$ = 2500 to $$$___MAGIC_nUmBeR...you are not expected to understand how this works...ReBmUn_CIGAM___$$$ = 288
22:01 mircea_popescu prolly to celebrate someone's girlfriend's success in dieting.
22:02 mircea_popescu ("Note that even level 6 does not do signature/script checking." is prolly the best part in all of that junk.)
22:02 polarbeard lol
22:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00056208 = 38.5306 BTC [+] {4}
22:05 mircea_popescu "what happens if a miner includes a bogus tx you say ? oh, the other miners would never extend that chain!" "wait, didn't those same other miners extend a chain that failed the rulechange they supposedly voted for ?" "sfyl".
22:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.0005563 = 27.6203 BTC [-] {3}
22:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15367 @ 0.0005629 = 8.6501 BTC [+] {2}
22:23 * mod6 reads logs
22:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198458 @ 0.00056029 = 111.194 BTC [-] {2}
22:28 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform well, if there's no consensus, there's no consensus and there it goes. <+mircea_popescu> poor mod6 gets no week off! << ok so no consensus on the space/tabs issue at this time.
22:29 mod6 hmm. so then, I believe if i remove the tabs from my S-patch and leave the spaces ~in~, then it'll look more like Mr. P.'s patch he put together.
22:30 mod6 i can work on that tonight.
22:40 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
22:40 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 397.45, vol: 5829.09891885 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 396.941, vol: 9116.22499 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 396.66, vol: 27096.81758218 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 387.0, vol: 11.6693 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 402.147406, vol: 62621.59270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 397.03, vol: 577.58243073 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 394.674500011, vol: 54.61105441 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
22:40 BingoBoingo ;;more
22:40 gribble 399.991092065
22:42 ben_vulpes ty mod6!
22:44 mod6 no problem at all.
22:44 mod6 we'll get there, just gotta keep driving towards our goals.
22:45 mod6 one line at a time.
22:52 mod6 here's what it looks like with only spaces in there (much more similar to Mr. P.'s (second)): http://dpaste.com/03MMVP8.txt
22:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lIXSv7 )
~ 21 minutes ~
23:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.0005631 = 13.2047 BTC [+]
23:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00056247 = 15.1304 BTC [-]
23:25 thestringpuller !t s.mpoe
23:25 assbot These beans is shit.
23:25 thestringpuller !t m s.mpoe
23:25 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0005527 / 0.00055992 / 0.00056692 (5975415 shares, 3,345.81 BTC), 7D: 0.00050896 / 0.00055577 / 0.00060199 (23555869 shares, 13,091.73 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00052438 / 0.00060199 (60407942 shares, 31,677.18 BTC)
23:30 BingoBoingo !t s.bbet
23:30 assbot Your actions are useless.
23:30 BingoBoingo !t m s.bbet
23:30 assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000121 / 0.000121 / 0.000121 (270 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.000121 / 0.00012637 / 0.00013 (670 shares, 0.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00011988 / 0.00013 (3600 shares, 0.43 BTC)
23:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69058 @ 0.00055631 = 38.4177 BTC [-] {4}
23:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00056309 = 7.1231 BTC [+] {2}
23:46 deedbot- [Qntra] Corn Belt Pain Continues As Supply Trickles Into Markets - http://qntra.net/2016/01/corn-belt-pain-continues-as-supply-trickles-into-markets/
23:47 * BingoBoingo once he completes the re-reading list would like to publish a book, or at least a lecture series title "The Will To Hodl"
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23:49 * BingoBoingo also starting to get that uncomfortable feeling of "Alf was right" https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145369611511762&w=2
23:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67149 @ 0.00056502 = 37.9405 BTC [+] {3}
23:54 BingoBoingo "more or less right. Release builds for VAX usually don't end much
23:54 BingoBoingo early before the release. There were already times, where I had to
23:54 BingoBoingo stop them, in order to ship. Those two to three months time, it's a lot
23:54 BingoBoingo of babysitting. When I'm lucky, DPB just dies, and I get mail and
23:54 BingoBoingo restart, if I'm unlucky, it just gets stuck, and I may not recognize it
23:54 BingoBoingo for a (few) day(s)."
23:54 BingoBoingo ^ i.e. the testing on exotic hardware appears to be fading
23:59 mod6 alright, the DER patch has been sent to the ML:
23:59 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000193.html
23:59 assbot [BTC-dev] Enforcement of 'S' value in DER signatures ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMq0uH )
23:59 mod6 And V mirror has been updated, as well as the graph (http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html)
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