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00:00 BingoBoingo mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining?
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00:00 mod6 yesterday
00:00 BingoBoingo Nah, need more Hodl first
00:00 BingoBoingo Also friendlier locals to work with
00:00 mod6 there are dams already, there is one I was just looking at in minneapolis while standing outside in -20 weather. looked reasonable to me! haha.
00:01 BingoBoingo Those dams are weak though. I'm talking south of the Ohio river confluence
00:02 mod6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennepin_Island_Hydroelectric_Plant
00:02 assbot Hennepin Island Hydroelectric Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMqhxX )
00:02 mod6 ah, yah, im sure bigger and better ones would be a good thing, at some point.
00:03 mod6 around here, and especially in southern MN & all over Iowa they have HUGE wind turbines in place.
00:03 BingoBoingo I'm talking make 3 gorges look like Hennepin island
00:03 mod6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Iowa
00:03 assbot Wind power in Iowa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMquRG )
00:04 mod6 apparently 5688 MW in '14
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00:04 * mod6 looks @ 3 gorges
00:05 BingoBoingo If Bitcoin needs half of ALL the watts it's going to have to happen
00:05 mod6 oh yeah, looking at that one, is huge.
00:07 mod6 anyway, yeah, it's been on my mind.
00:08 BingoBoingo I figure 1993 flood level presents a decent reservoir target
00:09 mod6 yeah, there will be a time when discussions will start around a project like this.
00:10 BingoBoingo Prolly around 2035
00:10 mats what an ecological disaster
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00:10 BingoBoingo Not a disaster, would actually solve the mine subsidence problem in a lot of areas
00:13 mats i'm not so sure the wildlife will agree
00:15 BingoBoingo They'll move as they tend to do.
00:22 * BingoBoingo imagines ghetto wildlife relocating to Portland where they tend to be welcomed
00:22 ben_vulpes i am now apparently engaged in an exercise to determine what the oldest version of os x is that can be beaten into supporting software development
00:26 BingoBoingo Why X? Why not VI, VII, VIII, or IX?
00:27 BingoBoingo The others would probably get your shop mad hipster cred
00:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00056664 = 19.9457 BTC [+] {2}
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00:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82890 @ 0.00056682 = 46.9837 BTC [+] {2}
00:49 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo and his obsession with dead operating systems
00:49 ben_vulpes in another universe i'd be entirely happy with seven.
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01:13 pete_dushenski fwiw, alleged isis pgp-gram encrypted : https://archive.is/Ro4XZ and decrypted : https://archive.is/pY9BB
01:13 assbot CZhwuXZWAAIQskQ.jpg:large (1023x1260 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UlpL8u )
01:13 assbot CZhxu5dWEAcfIzo.jpg:large (1023x1114 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UlpIJT )
01:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89695 @ 0.00056357 = 50.5494 BTC [-] {2}
01:13 pete_dushenski gnupg v2... tsk tsk.
01:13 pete_dushenski someone has done their 6 months of log readings
01:14 pete_dushenski *hasn't !
01:17 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384621 << looks like this part of the message is... inside the message. so not pgptron's doing. still, why ? allahusnackbar only knows, but given that they're all probably mega-crypto noobs, it's not inconceivable to imagine this note's use case, even it seems beyond retarded to (i expect) everyone here.
01:17 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 00:09:41; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and whose pgptron prints 'Decryption....'
01:20 pete_dushenski and i just searched for the key id listed there, neither 1650H76 nor 1658OH76 yielded any hits. but then again, why should it ? (aside from the comedic value)
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01:22 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384624 << for same reason our terrorism rantings and communiques are in english ?
01:22 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 00:10:21; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and why would message text be in english
01:23 danielpbarron my gpg says they aren't even valid key ids
01:24 pete_dushenski ah well then. maybe it was just another lulzy idea that was in fact a thinly veiled hatchet job. alas.
01:25 danielpbarron i would think it's easier to make a real key and decrypt an actual message than to fake the whole thing in video editing but then again I have a dedicated gpg machine and not a video editing one. USG probably has the opposite
01:26 pete_dushenski "first they came for isis for using pgp, but i did nothing. then they... oh wait. they couldn't so anything against isis anyways so what sort of nyooz is this!"
01:26 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: probably ? most definitely. like 100%.
01:27 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384677 << i lollered
01:27 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 00:28:44; mircea_popescu: now a dog you can't trust!
01:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36170 @ 0.00055724 = 20.1554 BTC [-]
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01:57 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: I'll have you know that in the cleaning I've done since last message I dusted a perfectly good machine capable of running OS 7, if only I'd plug in in and the caps haven't gone pop since October when I last plugged it in...
02:05 ben_vulpes but will it compile boost?
02:08 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385035 << this makes no sense. if your gf is a secretary and she moves from paper company (A) to another paper company (B) of the same size and just as far from home and for the same pay (but without that bitch midge from accounts payable), the paper industry will make no more "evil ghg", nor kill more fuzzy penguins or whatever it is you imagine anthropomorphised
02:08 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 05:10:05; mats: what an ecological disaster
02:08 pete_dushenski disneyesque animalia as. changing gruntwork jobs (which is what power generation is), ceretis paribus, doesn't matter in the slightest to the global ecological footprint. if anything, as bitcoin mining grows into even the double-digits of global power use, it will create a scarcity of electricity for non-mining uses, driving up prices in those other domains, thus decreasing less essential usage, decreasing the n
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02:08 pete_dushenski eed for so much supply, and in fact accelerating bitcoin's achievement of 51% of global supply at a ~lower~ total supply than at present.
02:09 BingoBoingo Who needs boost when you have the full expressive power of motorola 68k assembly?
02:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170100 @ 0.00055483 = 94.3766 BTC [-] {3}
02:09 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: will, say, 10.4 compile boost ?
02:09 pete_dushenski on ppc !
02:10 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: heh okay you got a laugh out of me with that
02:10 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: i determined tonight that 10.6 is entirely unuseable
02:11 pete_dushenski http://boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/Cross-compile-Boost-library-Thread-System-for-PowerPC-td4643105.html << anyways, answer to my own question.
02:11 assbot Boost - Build - Cross compile Boost library (Thread, System) for PowerPC ... ( http://bit.ly/1OIT5nW )
02:11 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: With same language you can program the two best portable computers ever. The TI-89 and the TI-92
02:11 ben_vulpes os 10 is an operating system for today, not forever
02:11 ben_vulpes !s 100 year editor
02:11 assbot 0 results for '100 year editor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=100+year+editor
02:12 ben_vulpes !s quality without a name
02:12 assbot 0 results for 'quality without a name' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=quality+without+a+name
02:12 ben_vulpes that's a classic, i'm a bit surprised.
02:12 pete_dushenski well, os 11 will be i/os 11 if my convergening line estimator is accurate. so i'll stick with 10 for now :P
02:13 ben_vulpes is that a head and shoulders or death cross or some other technical trading thing?
02:13 pete_dushenski it's the dead steve bounce
02:14 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: There won't be an 11 or an XI. The branding isn't as good as X
02:14 ben_vulpes haw haw haw
02:15 ben_vulpes x11 is best x
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02:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44241 @ 0.00055724 = 24.6529 BTC [+]
02:51 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384760 srsly
02:51 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 01:30:26; *: asciilifeform observes that this thread has already taken up more space than the patch.
03:00 BingoBoingo Soon on fox news: "The lead developer of Bitcoin arrested for drug charges" >> https://archive.is/y7Wjv#selection-4251.0-4251.75
03:00 assbot Michael Toomin explains his meltdown, and the structure of Bitcoin Classic (45 min in!) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1niRThM )
03:05 BingoBoingo lulz from #bitcoin-otc-ratings: <gribble> Rating removed | phantomcircuit > -10 > jason | criminal, stole from coinbase
03:15 punkman loltoomim "What languages do you work in, what's your background in CS?" "I use all languages" "You can't use all languages!" "Well I dunno, I haven't used Haskell or OCaml, but everything else I can think of..."
03:18 fluffypony truly one of the great minds of this generation
03:18 fluffypony clearly his language preference is BrainFuck
03:19 punkman he's improving Coffeescript these days
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03:43 deedbot- [Qntra] Mass Ransomware Strike Hits Millions Of Indian Computers - http://qntra.net/2016/01/mass-ransomware-strike-hits-millions-of-indian-computers/
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04:02 danielpbarron ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/isis_pgp_qntra.asc.txt
04:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pfhh2H )
04:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:03 BingoBoingo ty danielpbarron
04:06 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: this girl in MO was telling me she works at a place that forces windows use. Someone is hit with ransomware weekly.
04:06 BingoBoingo Ah, yeah
04:06 BingoBoingo At least
04:07 danielpbarron someone recently asked me if i wanted to sell bitcoin to someone hit by one of those things
04:07 danielpbarron i said no
04:07 thestringpuller so bitcoin has directly monetized malware
04:07 BingoBoingo best to avoid that poison pill
04:08 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: You piece is going up as soon as I harmonize some of the vocabulary.
04:08 danielpbarron yeah please do; i can't believe it's 4 my brain is fried
04:09 thestringpuller pre-bitcoin you'd invest in setting up botnet and then monetize the botnet. seems now just put that money into ransomware instead of the botnet.
04:09 danielpbarron i turned down the offer to sell coin, not because of where it would go so much as because I don't know a reliable way to replentish my stock (I haven't used coinbase in a long while)
04:09 thestringpuller danielpbarron: have you tried anyone in web of trust?
04:09 danielpbarron i have but not recently on that one either
04:10 thestringpuller do you use coinbr?
04:10 danielpbarron yeah
04:11 thestringpuller if you can get jurov euros he can get you X.EUR if you are coinbr customer. i'd inquiry with him.
04:11 danielpbarron eeenteresting i might know a euro connect although i doubt it
04:14 BingoBoingo Maybe just get Jurov a duffel bag full of Euros? Everyone needs a vacation sometime.
04:14 deedbot- [Qntra] ISIS/Snowden PGP Comedy - http://qntra.net/2016/01/isissnowden-pgp-comedy/
04:14 BingoBoingo ^ danielpbarron
04:15 BingoBoingo The piece's saving grace is that it was short and thorough.
04:16 danielpbarron that's my style heh
04:16 punkman ;;nethash
04:16 gribble 990495801.597
04:17 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: You know if you could do 10 of these 120 word things a month that would be 1200 s.qntr which are redeemable for...
04:17 BingoBoingo Bitcoin at a market determined rate
04:18 thestringpuller !t m s.qntr
04:18 assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0003073 / 0.00031877 / 0.00035095 (10852 shares, 3.46 BTC)
04:18 thestringpuller bids are at 23k satoshi right now
04:19 thestringpuller ;;calc 0.00023000 * 1200
04:19 gribble 0.276
04:20 thestringpuller mpex investors seem to love paying qntra contributors, so it's doing something right.
04:23 BingoBoingo Maybe next year or five years from now we get a revenue in excess of hosting that allows for dividends? Who knows? The future is full of mysteries!
04:24 thestringpuller well ad's prove to have high CTR, just need a little conversions sprinkled on that and who knows
04:24 thestringpuller ^- the one that was on qntra sometime last year
04:24 thestringpuller iirc had higher click-thru than most of web
04:29 BingoBoingo I dunno how much to bank on that. The web is ever changing
04:35 thestringpuller digital marekting will likely implode before the next decade. look at the overvaluation of coindesk and coin telegraph where the revenue is entirely that.
04:36 thestringpuller qntra's future will reveal itself in due time. it's quickly growing, and still young.
04:48 BingoBoingo Well now Coindesk lives as this undead thing entirely subsumed to Barry Silber and operated by his mouthpiece Ryan 'TwoBitIdiot' Selkis
04:53 BingoBoingo Anyways for people who care about the NFL chain (maybe BitBet) A Denver Broncos versus Carolina Panthers superbowl was mined.
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04:56 thestringpuller i haven't seen a broncos superbowl since i was elementary school methinks
04:58 BingoBoingo Same here.
04:59 BingoBoingo Looks like Brady fell apart in this likely last Brady/Peyton Manning matchup. Which is surprising because Peyton himself is barely alive for charitable definitions of alive.
04:59 thestringpuller lol i remember when the falcons played the broncos in the superbowl, and we actually thought we stood a chance.
05:00 thestringpuller lol manning was drafted when I was in middle school
05:00 thestringpuller my how time flies.
05:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25113 @ 0.00055591 = 13.9606 BTC [-]
05:05 thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/5kUV5d3.jpg << dunno if joke or real. "Lets turn bitcoin development over to coinbase!" look at what democracy gets you people. srsly, wtf.
05:05 thestringpuller already selling out to corporations and they didn't even need lobbyist this time!
05:08 BingoBoingo lol, Or Coinbase just signing all those votes
05:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101500 @ 0.0005558 = 56.4137 BTC [-] {2}
05:14 BingoBoingo !up p15
05:14 BingoBoingo In other decentralization news from the mines https://torrentfreak.com/oldest-torrent-is-still-being-shared-after-4419-days-160124/
05:14 assbot World's Oldest Torrent Is Still Being Shared After 4,419 Days - TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnCQgE )
05:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78230 @ 0.00055668 = 43.5491 BTC [+]
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06:34 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 673 @ 0.00267606 = 1.801 BTC [-] {2}
06:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49175 @ 0.00055376 = 27.2311 BTC [-] {2}
06:46 jurov danielpbarron(and other folks in my WoT): we're using transferwise, works quick and swell so far. For N euro that arrives to my account you get N/1.02 x.eur, discount possible if you can commit to schedule.
06:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115505 @ 0.00055668 = 64.2993 BTC [+]
06:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00055714 = 23.7899 BTC [+] {3}
07:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64574 @ 0.00055331 = 35.7294 BTC [-] {2}
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07:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00055283 = 15.2305 BTC [-]
07:36 mircea_popescu !up pi|
07:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385000 << not a bad idea.
07:38 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 04:47:39; *: BingoBoingo once he completes the re-reading list would like to publish a book, or at least a lecture series title "The Will To Hodl"
07:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385027 << cool, 5GW over their lifetime will be just enough to cover the energy cost of hauling in replacements.
07:39 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 05:04:25; mod6: apparently 5688 MW in '14
07:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00055271 = 16.9129 BTC [-] {2}
07:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00055775 = 17.7922 BTC [+]
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08:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19399 @ 0.00055775 = 10.8198 BTC [+]
08:22 punkman http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/flint-residents-told-that-their-children-could-be-taken-away-if-they-dont-pay-for-citys-poison-water.html
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08:22 assbot Flint Residents Told That Their Children Could Be Taken Away If They Don’t Pay For City's Poison Water ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJqdTN )
08:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29322 @ 0.00055988 = 16.4168 BTC [+] {2}
08:25 mircea_popescu hopefuly taken away to a new prison built in a neighbouring town ?
08:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00056168 = 24.9667 BTC [+]
08:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100400 @ 0.00055576 = 55.7983 BTC [-] {3}
08:38 deedbot- [Trilema] Here's where you forget about "wind power" as an alternative source of power. - http://trilema.com/2016/heres-where-you-forget-about-wind-power-as-an-alternative-source-of-power/
08:41 punkman https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/691592396526718976
08:50 asciilifeform http://www.anagram.com/jcrap << l0ltr0nic
08:50 assbot The Journal of Craptology Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJzHOP )
08:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19284 @ 0.00056227 = 10.8428 BTC [+] {2}
08:52 punkman https://medium.com/@DonRumsfeld/at-83-i-decided-to-develop-an-app-dadd4e53d342 ahaha
08:52 assbot At 83 I decided to develop an app — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJApf3 )
08:54 asciilifeform punkman: lulzy. i played what appears to be this game as a boy.
08:55 asciilifeform (and i find it very strange that an adult would play a solitaire, it seems like a serious symptom of 'has no theorems to prove')
08:57 punkman popular with office drones
08:57 asciilifeform also from the link it looks as if he 'produced' it rather than actually wrote anything
08:58 asciilifeform mega-unsurprise.
08:58 punkman I also don't get why i's on medium
08:59 asciilifeform as far as i can tell, it is exactly 'tumblr' but hasn't yet been cemented in reputation for hosting rabid pheminists etc
08:59 asciilifeform and therefore fashionable.
08:59 punkman why is the journal of craptology full of song videos?
08:59 asciilifeform ask it.
09:01 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385180 << i find it interesting that this (entirely plausible, i am directly familiar with an almost identical case involving sewers) incident is only reported in a rag which also covers 'chemtrails'
09:01 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 13:22:22; punkman: http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/flint-residents-told-that-their-children-could-be-taken-away-if-they-dont-pay-for-citys-poison-water.html
09:09 punkman the gifts of ASN1 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1300237
09:10 assbot Bug 1300237 – CVE-2016-2053 kernel: Kernel panic and system lockup by triggering BUG_ON() in public_key_verify_signature() ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJFPGR )
09:10 fluffypony https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZjTF6SUYAAHGs2.png
09:10 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJFTXa )
09:11 asciilifeform punkman: ahahaha use moar usg standardz!
09:17 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> mega-unsurprise. << this "everyone can do it - you could be next - make 10 gazillion renting out the space inside your nose" narrative must be driven!!1
09:18 mircea_popescu <punkman> I also don't get why i's on medium << because that's what altman's qntra is called.
09:18 asciilifeform in what sense is it a qntra ?
09:18 asciilifeform is nyt a qntra? volkischer beobachter ?
09:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just like the nigger-death of a naive white libtard is only covered by rags that also cover all sorts of other race insanities.
09:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00055205 = 24.0142 BTC [-] {2}
09:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in the sense everyone's mp. aspirational sense.
09:21 mircea_popescu http://www.math.pacificu.edu/~emmons/JofUR/ << heh.
09:30 jurov http://www.explo.yt/alf_us.jpg << asciilifeform
09:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJMrFe )
09:30 mircea_popescu lol
09:30 asciilifeform l0lz
09:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385046 << what's the difference between that universe and this ? (entirely innocent quesiton, i never used os-apple)
09:31 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 05:49:50; ben_vulpes: in another universe i'd be entirely happy with seven.
09:32 asciilifeform 7 was a product of the actual apple co. (vs rebranded 'next')
09:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00055296 = 12.6904 BTC [+]
09:32 asciilifeform i.e. not a unix
09:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385056 << i beg your pardon, "H" ?
09:33 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 06:20:57; pete_dushenski: and i just searched for the key id listed there, neither 1650H76 nor 1658OH76 yielded any hits. but then again, why should it ? (aside from the comedic value)
09:33 asciilifeform H.
09:33 mircea_popescu what h.
09:33 asciilifeform on the same planet where gpg prints 'Decrypting......'
09:33 mircea_popescu is this some new utf ?
09:34 asciilifeform nope.
09:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform watch that some towelhead with a quart of brie between his legs stole some code and did the usual "i am 15 yo coder and i can replace strings" thing to it.
09:34 asciilifeform and H ?
09:34 mircea_popescu in principle you can fuck up base64.
09:34 mircea_popescu satoshi did...
09:35 mircea_popescu make it base-snackbar, why not.
09:35 asciilifeform https://archive.is/cL3TM << moar via qntra piece
09:35 assbot Edward Snowden on Twitter: "Journos: The #ISIS video's "encrypted email" is confirmed fake. If any official responds as if it's real, push back. https://t.co/fKHAAk1SAa" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJDfJO )
09:35 mircea_popescu "is confirmed". who confirmed ?
09:35 mircea_popescu this is like "i am officially the king of caspiar"
09:36 punkman someone on twitter extracted some valid partial gpg packet that said DBC2E82BB763CF80
09:36 asciilifeform all this aside, the thing is entirely indistinguishable from the most idiotic imaginable fake.
09:37 mircea_popescu this much is true.
09:38 asciilifeform wake me up when they have captured nato soldiers write the pubkey out in the sand with the blood of own severed hands.
09:38 asciilifeform on camera.
09:38 mircea_popescu yeah, that's totally what i did o.O
09:38 asciilifeform and then same, layed out using heads.
09:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had the tits thing. similar !
09:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385071 << this is nonsense wut.
09:39 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 07:08:57; pete_dushenski: disneyesque animalia as. changing gruntwork jobs (which is what power generation is), ceretis paribus, doesn't matter in the slightest to the global ecological footprint. if anything, as bitcoin mining grows into even the double-digits of global power use, it will create a scarcity of electricity for non-mining uses, driving up prices in those other domains, thus decreasing less essential usage, decr
09:40 mircea_popescu first off birds don't just move. they're more adverse to living the swamp they for no good reason call home than alf is. and for the other, demand doesn't create scarcity, that whole branch's not even wrong.
09:42 mircea_popescu assbot: Michael Toomin explains his meltdown, and the structure of Bitcoin Classic (45 min in!) << dude, i don't care if he gives away clinton's hairy snatch and the secret of immortality 45 minutes in. who the fuck has the time for this sorta thing.
09:43 mircea_popescu anyway. let us remind at this juncture that various blathering imbeciles, such as that dude from coinbase, or that dude from the nsa, or that other dude from the nsa, or that other derp "supported" this raging lunacy.
09:44 mircea_popescu ask them next you see them at one of their inept "conferences", sprouting with unwarranted cockyness whatev er bullshit, what happened of their support for this ?
09:48 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ". The petrified paper pushers, afraid that actual strong cryptography might catch on among the cattle caste, has sent their favorite stooge to discredit the event." << have sent
09:49 mircea_popescu also spurious paragraph break after 1st note
09:54 mircea_popescu aaand in other news, http://56.media.tumblr.com/93f0434c32aede5c04a5fa5560aca73e/tumblr_nha9j7eqJU1s233qio1_1280.jpg
09:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJUJgf )
09:58 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZghdXeUUAAISoQ.jpg:large
09:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJVZzX )
10:02 mircea_popescu http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/internet/fear-and-loathing-in-the-bitcoin-world << bitcoin's formal governing body is amused at the wanna-be's posturing.
10:02 assbot Bitcoin Needs (Gasp!) Formal Governance - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJXez4 )
10:02 mircea_popescu what is ieee again ?
10:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: american standards org.
10:05 mod6 mircea_popescu: hey thanks for working up the math on the wind power. yeah, looks like that was pretty moronic.
10:06 mod6 especially if you can get 4x as much from hydroelectric
10:07 mod6 i think one thing thats interesting about alternatives to dams or nuclear is that its less of a central target for sabotage or attack.
10:08 mod6 i dunno.
10:12 mod6 hmmm.
10:13 mod6 more study required.
10:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.0005523 = 30.4317 BTC [-]
10:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00055191 = 16.0054 BTC [-]
10:20 thestringpuller ;;later tell mod6 http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/
10:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:24 mod6 oh boy
10:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109536 @ 0.00055189 = 60.4518 BTC [-] {3}
10:31 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: re: toomim meltdown << it was hilarious to listen to, cuz he is just like "I'ma stoned. Hue hue hue. I developed consider.it and we gonna use it to fix bitcoin governance problems, cuz like democracy is the shit. And it like works."
10:32 thestringpuller This is why you shouldn't give penniless hippies any nice things ever, cause they will break those nice things.
10:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47720 @ 0.00055296 = 26.3873 BTC [+]
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10:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66184 @ 0.00055496 = 36.7295 BTC [+] {2}
10:53 adlai ;;nethash
10:53 gribble 1001325385.12
11:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00055159 = 32.7644 BTC [-] {3}
11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38398 @ 0.00055622 = 21.3577 BTC [+] {3}
11:10 asciilifeform 'This one, however, is different from the rest. The person throwing dirt over the coffin last week was not an outsider, as has most often been the case. It was not some mainstream economist who just “doesn’t get it.” It was not a misinformed journalist fishing for clicks. It was Mike Hearn, a former Google developer, the guy who wrote the first java implementation of Bitcoin. He’s a regular presence at conferences and
11:10 asciilifeform a tireless educator of Bitcoin novices. And his most passionate vituperations were aimed at the people he is now leaving behind. Bitcoin failed, he wrote, “because the community has failed.”'
11:10 asciilifeform this is just precious.
11:15 mircea_popescu mod6> more study required. << yeah, up until a spinning blade worth 50 tons comes off the fucking 200 foot tall mount.
11:15 mircea_popescu that'll be some pretty epic action movie.
11:16 mircea_popescu "MegaDreidel on the Highway - 7"
11:16 asciilifeform iirc the trend is towards large farms of small propellers
11:17 mircea_popescu hearn is more of an outsider than most outsiders.
11:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i gave a rather low-end typical.
11:17 mircea_popescu ge sold 100's of k's of that one.
11:18 mircea_popescu anyway, the simple proof that wind is purely for show - so that soviet citizen sees it and is impressed with the usg, just like the red army red square parades of otherwise useless missiles - rather than for energy is that the one place where you should have them (tierra del fuego) doesn't have them.
11:19 mircea_popescu by the time you've run out of everything ELSE that has better wind and are putting them in MN the world is half-full of wind turbines.
11:19 asciilifeform there is another interpretation that does not actually contradict this one
11:19 asciilifeform which is that photovoltaic and wind are preparations for what orlov called 'boutique economy'
11:20 mircea_popescu meanwhile, the representational needs of the usg are exactly highest in MN as opposed to say alaska. because THAT is the true fronteer atm, separating the bundys from the bahamases.
11:20 asciilifeform where there is no grid
11:20 mircea_popescu ie, survivalist enough to pull a bundy, populated enough to really hurt if it does.
11:20 asciilifeform but titled nobility have something like a 20th century existence
11:20 mircea_popescu this is rank nonsense.
11:20 mircea_popescu electricity DOES NOT work without the grid.
11:21 mircea_popescu this neatly mirrors our previous discussion, where you were holding that "all civilisation depends on mass market". that much is false.
11:21 asciilifeform entirely without - does not.
11:21 mircea_popescu however, smaller parts of it - such as electricity, DO in fact depend on grid.
11:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106827 @ 0.00056238 = 60.0774 BTC [+] {4}
11:21 mircea_popescu sorta like "carnot engine does not work without atmosphere". in fact that's exactly it.
11:21 asciilifeform but the preparations are for a 'grid lite', a la pyongyang
11:21 asciilifeform where there is grid, for 2-3 hrs/day
11:21 asciilifeform for folks to watch propaganda channel during.
11:21 mircea_popescu without a diffuse network to lose into, electricity is a hair raising proposition
11:22 mircea_popescu seems improbable, but what am i gonna say.
11:22 mircea_popescu no political system survives that sort of "4 hours a day" bs.
11:22 asciilifeform why not ?
11:23 asciilifeform plenty of turd world pissholes 'function' on 0 hrs.
11:23 mircea_popescu because my slaves obey me 24/7, and that leaves 20hours/day unoccupied for the cattle.
11:23 asciilifeform and pyongyang is still there
11:23 mircea_popescu they'll migrate to the system of full occupancy.
11:24 mircea_popescu pyongyang is still there at incredible sino-usg expenditure.
11:24 mircea_popescu who's gonna do that for the us, martians ?
11:24 mircea_popescu nobody cares enough.
11:25 mircea_popescu you'll notice that "third world pissholes" don't function in the sense of "person mp doesn't like vacations there".
11:26 asciilifeform at any rate, my observation was re: what usg ~thinks~ it is doing when supporting crackpot energy wunderwaffen
11:27 asciilifeform rather than the likely result
11:27 asciilifeform the economics of wunderwaffen are a fascinating mixture of crackpottery, legit invention, and lunatic desperation
11:28 asciilifeform i've been reading a ru treatise on mines (the kind that undermined castle walls, and the kind that explode, rather than the kind where dwarves toil)
11:28 asciilifeform and there was an interesting bit about how germany switched to producing the obsolete and suicidally unstable trinitrophenol in 1944
11:28 asciilifeform instead of civilized brissant explosives (e.g., trinitrotoluene, hexagen, etc)
11:29 asciilifeform historians like to expound on the 'sexy' wunderwaffen, rather than this.
11:29 asciilifeform but wunderwaffen-warfare is ~largely~ this kind of thing.
11:30 asciilifeform and we are likely to see recognizable riffs on this theme as usg rockets along its path to the bunker of '45.
11:30 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> that'll be some pretty epic action movie. << haha, yah. oh well.
11:31 asciilifeform desperation, cheap hacks, disaster, rinse & repeat
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11:55 mod6 MN has 3 nuclear powerplants apparently.
11:56 mod6 Must have figured it was a cheaper alternative. *shrug* They might have some others that run on coal or oil even? Not sure.
12:00 mod6 4 Coal, 3 Hydroelectric, 1 Natgas, 3 Nuclear and 2 windfarm
12:00 mod6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Power_stations_in_Minnesota
12:00 assbot Category:Power stations in Minnesota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZNCVMY )
12:06 mod6 i can see the natgas one from my office.
12:10 thestringpuller i love natgas
12:10 thestringpuller powered by farts
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12:43 jurov hydropower means large lagoons that tend to acumulate toxic deposits that noone wants to touch. coal and nuclear mean radioactive toxic waste, too. while defunct windmill means piece of perfectly usable structural alloy.
12:46 kakobrekla the mud that the hydro dams collect is not toxic but much needed nutrients for plants down the stream
12:46 jurov .. in the rare cases there is no industry upstream
12:48 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 388 @ 0.00271842 = 1.0547 BTC [+] {2}
12:48 kakobrekla well they would still get that in either case
12:49 jurov since the 1950s the hydropower potential of Vah river in Slovakia was almost completely developed and exactly this happened, lakes brim-full of stuff noone knows how to dispose
12:49 jurov while contributing measly 1% to nation's electrcity supply
12:49 jurov (and another 3% thanks to Danube)
12:50 kakobrekla newer dams are actually built in a way that flushes that sediments periodically, they fucked it up on the Nile tho.
12:51 punkman http://dpaste.com/19JPBPT slightly relevant
12:51 assbot dpaste: 19JPBPT ... ( http://bit.ly/1OK8btr )
12:53 jurov we are 53% nuclear, and another 2 blocks are in development, <joke>it should result in cheapest electricity around</joke>
12:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72850 @ 0.00054992 = 40.0617 BTC [-] {3}
12:54 PeterL http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385014 << hydro power is proportional to water drop, you can't really get much power out of a flat river like missississippi
12:54 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 05:00:08; BingoBoingo: mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining?
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13:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> but wunderwaffen-warfare is ~largely~ this kind of thing. << quite very much so. and tlp's "frantic activity as a cover for impotence" explains a lot of it.
13:24 asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-03-2015#1040314
13:24 assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 02:43:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cutting out completely looks rather like this: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg
13:25 mircea_popescu anyway. picric acid at least is more stable than guncotton, the golden standard of "oops, we fired our cannon there goes the ship" application
13:26 asciilifeform jp lost more than one ship to own 'shimoza' (trinitrophenol) shell magazines
13:26 asciilifeform and ru navy had only picrin (on account of tnp having killed their top armaments designer, when he experimented personally) and to this is often attributed the loss in 1907
13:27 mircea_popescu jurov this slander re hydro is not unlike saying sex leads to saggy boobs.
13:28 jurov ?
13:28 PeterL http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg << is that a shaped charge spear?
13:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7fiNx )
13:28 mircea_popescu <jurov> since the 1950s the hydropower potential of Vah river in Slovakia was almost completely developed and exactly this happened, lakes brim-full of stuff noone knows how to dispose << this may be, but on the other hand romania exists as an industrial power rather than an argentinian farm shithole strictly because of massive hydro power developments post ww2
13:28 asciilifeform PeterL: yes. also known as the 'lunge mine'. it had no delay fuse at all!
13:29 mircea_popescu sex leads to saggy boobs : saggy boobs are seen in all females after 20-30 years of fucking, if not earlier.
13:29 asciilifeform there is an interesting clip somewhere on the net of the vietnamese army, some time in the era of ho chi minh, marching around proudly with these (presumably captured from jp forces in ww2)
13:29 asciilifeform the message, presumably, being 'we will die gloriously'
13:29 PeterL I guess the question is, does it work?
13:30 mircea_popescu not by itself, no.
13:30 asciilifeform PeterL: dunno, never tried personally
13:30 asciilifeform if you can get close enough to the tank - any tank, even modern one - it will work great...
13:30 PeterL and user is not harmed by device?
13:30 asciilifeform the pegs are standoffs - shaped charge requires them
13:30 asciilifeform user - dies.
13:30 asciilifeform i thought this was pretty clear.
13:30 mircea_popescu not modern ones, at least not the ones with the active armor additions.
13:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sufficiently large shaped charge blows a hole through whatever.
13:31 mircea_popescu not so.
13:31 PeterL I dunno, I'm not that familliar with shaped charges
13:31 jurov yes it helped romania. how does it invalidate the argument?
13:31 mircea_popescu through whatever passive.
13:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in any case that's what the ~second~ hit is for
13:31 mircea_popescu jurov the saggy tits thing invalidates the 'argument' such as it is.
13:31 mircea_popescu the bit of history just mopped off whatever surviving bits left around
13:31 jurov romania has pointy tits. and?
13:32 mircea_popescu uh. are you being purposefully thick ?
13:32 mircea_popescu the hydro plant has exactly nothing to do with pollutants upstream.
13:32 jurov i think you are
13:32 jurov on one hand, you say hydro was developed because of industry
13:33 mircea_popescu so on one hand your argument is logically unsound, and on the other hand the benefit of hydro is certain.
13:33 jurov on other hand you handwave the pollution away
13:33 mircea_popescu equating pollution and industry is not unlike equating homosexuality and poor hygiene.
13:34 jurov yeees? where clean industry exists?
13:34 jurov in your head.
13:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98250 @ 0.00054927 = 53.9658 BTC [-] {3}
13:34 mircea_popescu how do you define "clean" ? if you meaqn absolutely clean, not only does not such industry exist, but in point of fact no such hygiene exists either.
13:36 jurov that was not my point. i wanted to say, there are cubic kilometers of liabilities likely to happen
13:37 mircea_popescu well, look at it the other way : maybe it finally provides the much needed impetuus to force the polluters upstream to clean up their act.
13:37 jurov maybe.
13:37 mircea_popescu if there's nothing but textile mill on the veh, textile mill gets to poison the river.
13:38 mircea_popescu if there's both mill and hydro plant, well... finally ecoregulations can be forced on the mill. and if it doesn't like it... fuck you, move to germany.
13:38 mircea_popescu we'll live off of selling electricity to you there.
13:39 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/heres-where-you-forget-about-wind-power-as-an-alternative-source-of-power/#comment-116338
13:39 assbot Here's where you forget about "wind power" as an alternative source of power. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VlkqOC )
13:41 mircea_popescu anyway, re nuclear. while it is dirty in a certain way, it has an advantage nothing else does : it would work just as well with the sun turned off. this is a big deal, fundamentally. whether it means anything in practice or not... well...
13:42 mircea_popescu (before you say "so do fossils" - think again. where do you get the oxygen ?)
13:44 mircea_popescu contrary to aqll the brouhaha at the time, about how "mankind has found the way to end itself" bla bla, nothing could be further from the truth. nuclear power provides humanity a hard guarantee against large scale catastrophe that no other life has, nor could have without thios particular tech.
13:44 mircea_popescu it quite literally represents security from thermodynamics, in a way very similar to how the bombs were marketed at the time to represent "Security from the enemies".
13:46 mircea_popescu (and yes this has been tested in practice, it's not at all theoretical. nuclear subs are more important for THIS reason than whatever justified their existence at the time.)
13:46 jurov 99% of nuclear is unusable without ample access to cooling water
13:47 mircea_popescu sure. doesn't do much for this discussion.
13:47 mircea_popescu if the sun does turn off, you'll have more ice than you'll know what to do with.
13:50 mod6 <+PeterL> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385014 << hydro power is proportional to water drop, you can't really get much power out of a flat river like missississippi << very true. the one we were discussing yesterday is at St. Anthonys Falls. Which apparently helped the city long ago get its start. Its not very big, and since they put in the dam, apparenlty this has eroded the origin
13:50 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 05:00:08; BingoBoingo: mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining?
13:50 mod6 al falls away and now is back further?
13:50 mod6 Need to look this up quick.
13:50 mircea_popescu also - the way nuclear is dirty is very peculiar. pollution in the sense of poison - kills everyone. pollution in the sense of nuclear leakeage - does not. it just shortens lifespan and increases the angle of attack at DNA research.
13:51 jurov don't forget geothermal, better accessible and will keep working for millions of years
13:51 mircea_popescu it does not present an actual species threat for any species.
13:52 mircea_popescu and yeah, geothermal. in fact that'll be the competition in case of new ice age. nuclear vs geothermal.
13:52 mircea_popescu would make a pretty splendid sf novel too.
13:53 mircea_popescu (all this talk re new ice age is quite on point, incidentally. the crazed us cultists of pseudoscience are loudly proclaiming a narrative bluntly contradictory to the data. altogether more likely we're headed for cool.)
13:54 mod6 maybe im not quite right about the erosion, anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Anthony_Falls
13:54 assbot Saint Anthony Falls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1VlnlHe )
14:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the picric acid... going anhydrous phenol + fuming sulphuric acid to get hydroxyphenylsulfonic acid and then fuming nitric acid on top of that... should be a fun little experiment :D
14:04 asciilifeform allahsnackbar.jpg
14:04 mircea_popescu just keep it cool, bruh.
14:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00054862 = 28.9671 BTC [-] {2}
14:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99032 @ 0.00055727 = 55.1876 BTC [+] {5}
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14:39 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: I'm applying for a job in Portland, Oregon.
14:39 thestringpuller We'll see how this goes!
14:43 punkman https://z.cash/ ZookoCoin
14:43 assbot Zcash - All coins are created equal. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO2BJm )
14:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60668 @ 0.00056117 = 34.0451 BTC [+] {3}
14:44 asciilifeform zerocoin again ?
14:44 asciilifeform https://z.cash/team.html << usg rogue's gallery
14:44 assbot Zcash - Our Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO2QUR )
14:45 asciilifeform incl. our old 'friends', roger ver, and pantera co
14:46 thestringpuller oh roger verified, is dat nigga even in WoT?
14:47 asciilifeform https://github.com/scipr-lab/libsnark << the crypto lib the thing rides on, in case anybody gives half a shit
14:47 assbot scipr-lab/libsnark - C++ - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nuy1ch )
14:47 asciilifeform (i can't bring myself to)
14:47 asciilifeform holy fuck the academitardism.
14:48 asciilifeform i am dealing with something quite similar on the other side of my desk, but folks ~pay~ on that side
14:48 punkman https://github.com/Electric-Coin-Company/zcash/tree/zc.v0.11.2.latest/depends/packages
14:48 assbot zcash/depends/packages at zc.v0.11.2.latest · Electric-Coin-Company/zcash · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nuyb38 )
14:49 asciilifeform for fucks sake.
14:49 asciilifeform why does it need ~both~ qt and x11 ?
14:50 punkman why not
14:51 punkman does PRB need dbus btw?
14:52 asciilifeform no idea
14:52 asciilifeform wouldn't surprise me if it did
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15:09 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> also spurious paragraph break after 1st note << both fixed
15:12 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> ... << dude, i don't care if he gives away clinton's hairy snatch and the secret of immortality 45 minutes in. who the fuck has the time for this sorta thing. << Reddit commnets were lulzy. Didn't sonsider anyone would try listening or operate a browser capable of listening.
15:16 BingoBoingo <jurov> hydropower means large lagoons that tend to acumulate toxic deposits that noone wants to touch. coal and nuclear mean radioactive toxic waste, too. while defunct windmill means piece of perfectly usable structural alloy. << How is this different from the Mississippi river at present?
15:16 jurov i am no mississippi expert
15:17 BingoBoingo peterL, Just gotta raise the river then
15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00055994 = 41.1556 BTC [-] {2}
15:21 BingoBoingo jurov: Every city's sewer and all the various indistry along it constantly pump weird shit into it.
15:31 jurov BingoBoingo: it's different when it's continuously mixed and when it's allowed to settle down and concentrate
15:32 BingoBoingo Well it already settles down and concentrates in the Gulf of Mexico. This would just move where it happens.
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117590 @ 0.00056235 = 66.1267 BTC [+] {5}
15:36 jurov In the Gulf of Mexico there's little change it will spill and kill everything downstream
15:40 BingoBoingo Sure, in the gulf of Mexico it just makes big dead zones. Moving the mess upstream preserves tropical beaches while flooding ghetto
15:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36046 @ 0.00056251 = 20.2762 BTC [+]
15:43 BingoBoingo In other lulz https://archive.is/LY9is and https://archive.is/W9HlJ << Delicious tears
15:43 assbot "Give Coinbase Full Control Over Bitcoin Development" has consensus! : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20po8dA )
15:43 assbot Bitcoin Classic is being attacked, have you noticed? : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20po918 )
15:48 thestringpuller thos were pretty lulzy
15:51 BingoBoingo https://sli.mg/a/uG7lU9
15:51 assbot Fatty thinks flying is a right, doesn't understand why its being "discriminated" against ... ( http://bit.ly/20poKA5 )
15:53 mircea_popescu heh look at all the kids that don't know better / derps nobody heard about coralled by pantera and advised by gavin & schmuckteam.
15:54 mircea_popescu <punkman> does PRB need dbus btw? << it should, really.
15:55 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << ideally, put it on a jack. "maybe i'll come down, maybe i won't. don't mess up my beer, man!"
15:55 thestringpuller wasn't pantera a 90's metal band?
15:56 BingoBoingo Well, if the dam is tall enough the Mississippi will fill up a good basin. Just gotta make 1993 flood the low water mark
15:56 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: pantera 'capital' too.
15:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00056257 = 30.4913 BTC [+] {3}
15:57 mircea_popescu ok the 2nd BingoBoingo link was kinda lulzy.
15:57 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2014#942641
15:57 assbot Logged on 02-12-2014 20:47:02; BingoBoingo: Indictment: http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/
15:57 pete_dushenski etc.
15:58 mircea_popescu in other news that are nevertheless more relevant to bitcoin than reddit will ever be, http://40.media.tumblr.com/21e7e3dfeb3aabebd8139cbb1937a3f8/tumblr_ni8bn65F111s5t2ojo1_500.jpg
15:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/20pph4T )
15:58 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: He's trying to make joke about the band Pantera. RIP Dimebag
15:58 * pete_dushenski used to listen to pantera, the band, a bit.
16:00 * asciilifeform just watched the master toggle on a 25 y.o. under-monitor surge protector thingie ~explode~ in a shower of sparks
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16:00 BingoBoingo cool
16:01 BingoBoingo Happens from time to time
16:01 asciilifeform not so cool, apparently these are no longer made
16:01 BingoBoingo Surge protecting part is a wear item
16:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nobody ever gives a fuck about the oxide varistor, it does exactly nothing
16:01 asciilifeform it's the switches that make that thing spiffy
16:02 asciilifeform (it was the horizontal kind with individual togglers for each mains plug)
16:02 BingoBoingo Oh
16:02 jurov http://www.ethereumpyramid.com/ forget systemd. prb must support this!
16:02 assbot Ethereum Pyramid Contract ... ( http://bit.ly/20ppCVi )
16:03 asciilifeform re: earlier thread, now that zooko is coopted, and previously chaum, and who else,
16:03 asciilifeform how many cryptographers even left ?
16:03 asciilifeform bernstein ?
16:03 asciilifeform (who exactly ~was~ zooko? known for anything other than 'triangle' aphorism ?)
16:06 thestringpuller asciilifeform: random question: what is your favorite video game?
16:06 asciilifeform thestringpuller: 'video' ?
16:07 thestringpuller yes as in thing you put in computer with flashing lights and stuff that you play for fun
16:07 asciilifeform ah so computer
16:07 BingoBoingo !b 4
16:07 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/311FY0C.txt )
16:07 asciilifeform ('video' where i live traditionally refers to game consoles that plug into tv)
16:07 thestringpuller those too
16:07 asciilifeform those i never had
16:08 thestringpuller aha. I imagine you would be good at Real Time Strategy games.
16:08 asciilifeform eh rts is a mouse-clicking contest
16:08 thestringpuller Although I don't know anyone that can compete with the Koreans in Starcraft
16:08 asciilifeform i much liked, e.g., civ1
16:08 thestringpuller i can see you liking sid meiers' stuff
16:08 polarbeard starcraft is more like real time chess, I'd say
16:09 polarbeard and *also* a clicking contest
16:09 * asciilifeform pictures realtime chess
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16:09 thestringpuller clicking contest only happens in micro.
16:10 asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-08-2015#1230700
16:10 assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 06:50:36; asciilifeform: reminds me of how, allegedly, a 'go' board and its stones made their way to leonhard euler. and he concluded that the game was played by tossing'em into the cavity at the bottom between the legs
16:10 thestringpuller you have to keep the economy healthier than your enemies so you can outproduce them.
16:10 polarbeard which is 60% of winning on starcraft
16:10 polarbeard battling correctly is even more important than correct resource management
16:10 polarbeard it allows you to have any chance against a zerg rush
16:11 thestringpuller Can be. but if you win battle an opponent is still out producing, you can sway battle.
16:11 polarbeard that's why, I say battling correctly is more important but not much more
16:11 thestringpuller Best counter to zerg rush walling off
16:11 thestringpuller the resources zerg has to put into a rush usually puts them at a defecit in mid game
16:11 polarbeard best counter to zerg rush is correct drone battling
16:12 thestringpuller only sometimes. cauze I can get a zealot to pop out within 1 minute of game
16:12 polarbeard but zealot rush sucks against other race's rush
16:13 thestringpuller you don't rush with zealots you stand guard. protoss is extremely good at defense.
16:13 polarbeard marines will shot him dead from the distance
16:13 polarbeard yes, but zealots are not ready when zerglings are
16:13 thestringpuller 1 zealot can take out about 4 zerglings
16:14 thestringpuller 2 can take out about 9
16:14 polarbeard after the zerglings killed all the protos drones
16:14 thestringpuller it's good form to put 1 cannon behind mineral field for rush
16:14 thestringpuller which doesn't cap your resources in building zealots
16:14 polarbeard you can't go for zealots and cannons and resist a zerg rush
16:14 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/OC3VflB.jpg
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16:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgDGfX )
16:15 polarbeard if the map allows it, you may go for cannons and almost surely kill the rush, otherwise you better move those zealots damn well, as you move the drones out of the way
16:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50150 @ 0.00056258 = 28.2134 BTC [+]
16:19 thestringpuller polarbeard: I probably need to watch more replays.
16:20 thestringpuller I'm still new to SC2. I'm a WC3 player mostly. Was okay at SC but not any good by any means.
16:20 polarbeard my very best friend is a top player, we played together since the beginning, but he became incredibly good and I stopped playing :)
16:20 polarbeard I actually was referring to SC and SC brood wars
16:20 polarbeard I have no idea of the SC2 mechanics
16:21 polarbeard it probably got shittier/more complex/less fun/more spectacular
16:21 polarbeard idk
16:24 BingoBoingo BURNSIDE https://archive.is/Jt2kk
16:24 assbot Coinbase denies users access to their account records, prevents users from doing their taxes. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgENMJ )
16:25 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385534 << 10 seconds and 5 seconds / move variants got quite popular.
16:25 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 21:09:29; *: asciilifeform pictures realtime chess
16:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385558 << fuck you, go lose weight before you do anything else.
16:28 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 21:14:47; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/OC3VflB.jpg
16:29 mircea_popescu us "universities" should absoluely put bmi on the list of quals.
16:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Standard in chess now is usually 5 or 10 seconds every move before time start coming off the main game clock.
16:29 mircea_popescu they're shit by now anyway, least they could do is "sorry hon, you're 20 lbs over maximum, can't have college degree"
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16:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo back when i still had a faint interest it was iirc 60 mins for 60 moves.
16:30 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah, now with the digital clocks they just do a time delay.
16:32 thestringpuller https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42n7r0/how_to_sybil_attack_bitcoinclassicconsiderit_with/ << LOL. The Toomim's are getting hit with Sybil attacks now.
16:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94900 @ 0.00056549 = 53.665 BTC [+] {6}
16:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00055808 = 31.5036 BTC [-] {3}
16:35 mircea_popescu either that or redditards learned a new word from yest's ba log.
16:35 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: with whom?
16:36 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: simple.com
16:36 thestringpuller i'm going to go work for the banks!
16:36 ben_vulpes good people over ther.
16:37 ben_vulpes any idea what department?
16:39 thestringpuller I'm applying to engineering. They just have general listings. So we'll see how it goes.
16:40 ben_vulpes gl
16:40 ben_vulpes i'll buy you a beer and a blunt after your interview
16:41 thestringpuller If I get to the interview process. I have no connections inside the company so i'm just a rando applying to the company.
16:41 PeterL <BingoBoingo> peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << this works in narrow canyons, not so much on plains. You gonna build a 100 mile wide dam?
16:41 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: but yea if I do get that far I'll take you up on that.
16:44 danielpbarron https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZlj99KUsAAKyaO.jpg:large << 'ass'ets from a twatter follower of mine
16:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgHoqb )
16:49 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385577 << iirc they used to have this at mit
16:49 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 21:29:48; mircea_popescu: they're shit by now anyway, least they could do is "sorry hon, you're 20 lbs over maximum, can't have college degree"
16:49 asciilifeform but at any rate hardly anybody gets fat in uni
16:49 asciilifeform (this would require food)
16:49 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: notbad
16:51 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: everyone gets fat at uni ? "freshman 15"
16:52 asciilifeform wut
16:52 thestringpuller that's not real.
16:52 pete_dushenski too busy to eat well and exercise because of studying
16:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95000 @ 0.00056778 = 53.9391 BTC [+] {2}
16:52 pete_dushenski it's very real
16:52 thestringpuller usually it's the girls who get fat when they stop caring.
16:53 thestringpuller had an ex who gained like 40 pounds during her duration in school
16:53 thestringpuller cuz too lazy to go to gym
16:53 BingoBoingo <PeterL> <BingoBoingo> peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << this works in narrow canyons, not so much on plains. You gonna build a 100 mile wide dam? << What else. Lots of ghetto to cover
16:57 PeterL from BingoBoingo link to fat rant: "the look of horror that a thin, cis woman flashed me when she realized that she'd be sitting next to me" << What, a gay chick is going to be excited to cuddle up with fatty chunks for a couple hours? (and wtf is this text in image crap, can't even copy/paste!)
16:57 BingoBoingo PeterL: It is a defect of their culture
16:58 PeterL plus, this writing style really grates on me. I feel like I would hate her even if she was not fat.
16:58 thestringpuller it's not fat it's curvy
16:59 PeterL there is curvy, and fat. curvy is nice, fat is disgusting.
17:01 thestringpuller i kno right. lets clean da folds!
17:01 thestringpuller curvy girls have nice asses tho. the ones that look like they wanna bust out of a pair of yoga pants.
17:02 mod6 ;;halfreward
17:02 gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Jul 17 06:02:17 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 24 weeks, 5 days, 8 hours, and 0 seconds.
17:02 mod6 ;;tslb
17:02 gribble Time since last block: 12 minutes and 36 seconds
17:07 BingoBoingo <thestringpuller> curvy girls have nice asses tho. the ones that look like they wanna bust out of a pair of yoga pants. << Those asses come from squats, not Beetus
17:15 pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/ << dear bitbet mods, please to close and resolve as yes.
17:15 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.65 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closing in 8 months 2 weeks | weight: 82`743 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8UoUs )
17:15 pete_dushenski looks like xt bet is now most highrollerest.
17:17 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385149 << speaking of bitbet, go denver.
17:17 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 09:53:38; BingoBoingo: Anyways for people who care about the NFL chain (maybe BitBet) A Denver Broncos versus Carolina Panthers superbowl was mined.
17:20 PeterL https://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/ << newest bitbet - is there something particularly interesting about SC instead of NH or Iowa?
17:20 assbot BitBet - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary :: 0.39 B (78%) on Yes, 0.11 B (22%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 3 days | weight: 96`236 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Un5Xlb )
17:20 copypaste i bet on the more general "Trump wins the nomination"
17:20 copypaste on yes.
17:21 * danielpbarron is the dummy who started the rand paul bet
17:21 PeterL you bet yes on Rand?
17:21 BingoBoingo OMG look at pete_dushenski BitBet lawyering
17:22 danielpbarron yeah, and to my dismay he's not even in the debates anymore
17:22 BingoBoingo PeterL: SC is the first contest in an area that's actually populated to the point it has black people.
17:22 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: :D
17:22 PeterL he is still the most reasonable of the candidates, unfortunately American's don't care about that
17:22 copypaste indeed
17:22 trinque president Camacho Trump incoming
17:22 danielpbarron i don't actually care if he wins beyond me wanting to win the bet; i personally wouldn't vote for him
17:22 copypaste Rand wouldn't be a bad president, but Trump has more of the showmanship
17:23 copypaste Shopwmanship wins in American politics
17:23 danielpbarron last guy i would've voted for was his dad, Ron Paul
17:24 BingoBoingo copypaste: Notice though that Trump's showmanship was engrained in the public through NBC, a well known alias for Cliter's recto-vaginal fistula
17:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151590 @ 0.00055882 = 84.7115 BTC [-] {6}
17:33 mod6 ;;tslb
17:34 gribble Time since last block: 21 minutes and 22 seconds
17:36 PeterL my prediction for republicans: Trump will win several early states, but as various candidates drop out trump will stay at that 25-30% and one of the other candidates will beat him in the later states
17:46 thestringpuller !up bagels7
17:47 bagels7 We had a chicken that toughed out every night in the tree including -30'C storms, the rest slept in the coop
17:49 BingoBoingo "A central figure in the Trump-acceptance movement is former presidential nominee and Senate majority leader Bob Dole, the erstwhile Republican establishment standard-bearer who is now just another elderly person in Kansas." << Also former Viagra spokesman
17:49 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/Ruukz
17:49 assbot The GOP establishment is pretending to warm to Donald Trump. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwdhFu )
17:50 mod6 Another round of live-fire tests after building deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh [ with a change to line 61 to: './v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch' as to include the mod6_der_high_low_s.vpatch and alf's latest two ] -- the full orchastra builds and works as expected: http://dpaste.com/1S8GVD9.txt
17:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwdh8z )
17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78650 @ 0.00054958 = 43.2245 BTC [-] {4}
17:59 pete_dushenski mod6: wd!
18:08 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/PaHLgO0.png
18:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwfQaF )
18:12 punkman http://kottke.org/16/01/a-small-2009-car-demolishes-a-1959-chevy-in-a-crash-test
18:12 assbot A small 2009 car demolishes a 1959 Chevy in a crash test ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzmW3s )
18:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36670 @ 0.00054851 = 20.1139 BTC [-] {2}
18:14 mircea_popescu PeterL what the dude making the bet cared about ? i imagine he's from sc or whatever.
18:15 mircea_popescu <copypaste> Rand wouldn't be a bad president, but Trump has more of the showmanship << maybe they name the USS Flagship "Hairpiece" after him.
18:17 mircea_popescu yeah, the ram/hdd division is REALLY important. so let's make more flash-based "hdds".
18:18 punkman spinning rust sucks
18:19 asciilifeform ^
18:19 punkman and the ram/hdd division is most likely going away
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49183 @ 0.00056397 = 27.7377 BTC [+] {2}
18:23 mircea_popescu 240 * 14383 * 1.25 = 4314900
18:23 mircea_popescu oops.
18:26 punkman "And with persistent transactional memory, there’s an issue that will surely make you smile with recognition: in-place of managing the relationship between volatile memory and disk, we now have to manage the relationship between the volatile CPU cache and memory! It’s all the same considerations (forcing, stealing etc.) but in a new context and with a few new twists."
18:27 mircea_popescu "we" don't have to do any such thing. that's why the fucking cpu is there.
18:28 asciilifeform ^
18:28 mircea_popescu and unlike the "we" things "we" do, cpus actuallywork.
18:28 asciilifeform go manually manage your alu.
18:33 mircea_popescu in other boobs, http://49.media.tumblr.com/45fd78e818532b73c136f71a0b5cc38c/tumblr_ncq7bguzWe1rwaupfo2_r1_500.gif
18:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jzq6nI )
18:33 punkman (excerpt from http://blog.acolyer.org/2016/01/21/blurred-persistence/ )
18:33 assbot Blurred Persistence: Efficient Transactions in Persistent Memory | the morning paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzqbaZ )
18:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00056737 = 21.5601 BTC [+]
18:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76000 @ 0.00056737 = 43.1201 BTC [+] {2}
18:40 BingoBoingo https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Classic:0.12.99/ << 4 https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Bitcoin%20XT:0.11.0E/ << 3
18:40 assbot Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jzr4At )
18:40 assbot Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jzr4QN )
18:48 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
18:48 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 391.34, vol: 8006.14854718 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.7, vol: 6568.51873 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 391.22, vol: 22563.50309897 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 2.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 396.81009, vol: 48039.73050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.01, vol: 463.24396726 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.93825, vol: 51.2738617 | Volume-weighted last average: 394.652722705
19:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00056878 = 18.7413 BTC [+] {3}
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19:34 jurov https://github.com/Azelphur/pyMPEx/issues/9 dunno what asshole undertook to "enhance" gnupg output in such way
19:34 assbot Exception when using with gnupg-2.0.28 · Issue #9 · Azelphur/pyMPEx · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py3FBN )
19:34 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Zcash will crash just like Gavincoin, Garzikcoin, XT, SegWit, and Classic. Now you know. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/25/zcash-will-crash-just-like-gavincoin-garzikcoin-xt-segwit-and-classic-now-you-know/
19:36 jurov https://www.gnupg.org/download/release_notes.html incidentally, no longer updated
19:36 assbot GnuPG - Release Notes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py3V3x )
19:37 jurov i should have masked >=gnupg:2 and never looked back
19:38 jurov dunno what i was thinking
19:40 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IRB0sxw-YU << for the condo/apt livers
19:40 assbot Everyone's Upstairs Neighbors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoEDSB )
19:41 * pete_dushenski to dinner. ciao !
19:43 BingoBoingo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZmxxPDWIAAS9OD.jpg
19:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py5iiX )
19:45 BingoBoingo In other bugs https://github.com/Automattic/wp-calypso/issues/2720
19:45 assbot Font: The letter f goes missing or rearranges itself in a word · Issue #2720 · Automattic/wp-calypso · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py5z5b )
19:50 TomServo Ahoy asseteers
19:50 jurov hi tom
19:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10274 @ 0.000568 = 5.8356 BTC [-]
19:54 BingoBoingo https://storify.com/weev/duck-enlightenment-s-final-tweet-spree
19:54 assbot Jokeocracy's Twitter Martyrdom (with images, tweets) · weev · Storify ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py73wy )
19:54 BingoBoingo Hi TomServo
19:56 TomServo My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up.
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19:56 danielpbarron heh, i saw that spree; he got suspended for it?
19:57 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Purged. Credible reports suggest Twitter is going to do a bigger purge soon, so some loveable jokesters are working to get preeptively purged on their own terms.
19:57 BingoBoingo Because mircea_popescu is a trendsetter
19:58 BingoBoingo In other refugee news apparently TaT has a blog now http://www.bitcoinerrorlog.com/2016/01/25/the-bitcoin-blacklist-max-keiser-simon-dixon/
19:58 assbot The Bitcoin Blacklist: Max Keiser & Simon Dixon – Bitcoin Error Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoFOBo )
20:00 TomServo In other other news, new wartard is a fun read: http://wartard.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-geopolitics-of-2016-oil-war-chaos_18.html
20:00 assbot War Tard: The Geopolitics of 2016: Oil, War, Chaos and Pathological Altruism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoG1EF )
20:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12143 @ 0.000568 = 6.8972 BTC [-]
20:11 jurov BingoBoingo: how do youknow it's TaT
20:13 BingoBoingo jurov: Not with cryptological certainty, but he gradually transitioned from using #bitcoin-assets as he social media identity to this bitcoinerrorlog thing. It's likely him.
20:13 BingoBoingo *his
20:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00056889 = 5.7742 BTC [+] {2}
20:21 BingoBoingo https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2016-01-20/?msg=58304091&page=2
20:21 assbot IRC Logs for #bitcoin-core-dev | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1PybpUp )
20:24 mircea_popescu TomServo prolly the bdb locks issue.
20:25 mircea_popescu look in the ml for the patch for that.
20:26 mircea_popescu that we shall have a world war seems a foregone conclusion by now.
20:28 mircea_popescu That's why every time Obama deploys one of his cloned spokeswomen wearing the "problem glasses" to a White House press briefing << seriously. it's like gaddafi without taste.
20:31 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
20:31 gribble Current Blocks: 395057 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 78 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
20:31 mircea_popescu "it's worth remembering Japan had been under a US oil embargo for years before they 'suddenly' attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. " << decent tidbits in there, under all the cheap "rapport" and assorted throwaway cancerous jokes.
20:33 mircea_popescu "The Zionists are so used to running American foreign policy for their own benefit and having the US Army take care of their enemies for them (Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad etc) that it was hilarious to watch Netanyahu throw a shit fit in the US Congress " << so far, the only army to ever win an engagement in the middle east is the israeli. twice.
20:34 mircea_popescu i dun get this fucktarded "we are importants" thing the ustards do around that topic, but anyways.
20:35 BingoBoingo Two Ocean borders and "docile" neighbors will do that to a people
20:36 BingoBoingo Now if Aztlan joined the Central powers in the Great War
20:36 mircea_popescu heh, mexico's been steadily making gains past the colorado for decades.
20:36 mod6 TomServo: Hi, if you followed the instructions via the wiki, this means you should have built via rotor & V.
20:37 mod6 1: Have you tried restarting bitcoind to see if that helps get you past this block?
20:37 mod6 2: Can you `cat rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/db.cpp` and post it to dpaste or somewhere else I might be able to look at it?
20:38 ben_vulpes > 252450 << lo it doth haunt
20:45 deedbot- [Qntra] Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign - http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/
20:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.000568 = 5.1972 BTC [-]
20:50 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "writing in much the same way many other religious persons in the American continent have done before and after them." << would be so much better with briefly discussed examples.
20:51 mircea_popescu the parallels between say that ridiculous smith character and these derps are striking.
20:51 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Thank you. The best solution to addressing these omissions is likely going to be a follow up.
20:52 mircea_popescu apparently every american is equally and insescapably stupid. their education, and their intelligence, may color the way they express their stupidity. but you can't take the village out of the girl even if you take the girl out of the village, and you can't take stupid out of americans.
20:52 mircea_popescu "oh hurr durr here is how hegel can be applied to maintain what we wish to see!!1"
20:53 BingoBoingo Well gotta consider who the first crackers on the continent were, bunch of English pricks with various "road to paradise" dreams.
20:53 BingoBoingo Anyways the Jonathan Edwards guy is prolly a better model for this than the Smith Moromon guy, but gotta chew through more re-reading list first.
20:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.000568 = 22.9756 BTC [-]
21:00 asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/#comment-43123
21:00 assbot Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pKnA5 )
21:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/#comment-43124
21:02 assbot Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pKxHC )
21:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385711 << TomServo: how did you press? post your complete set of sha512s
21:03 assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 00:56:01; TomServo: My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up.
21:03 asciilifeform if you're seeing bdb issues, it is a dead certainty that you did not press a modern tree
21:04 asciilifeform (either this, or 'cosmic rays')
21:05 BingoBoingo What about basement rays from radon and granite countertops?
21:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32230 @ 0.00056743 = 18.2883 BTC [-] {3}
21:09 jurov or pebkac fields
21:12 ben_vulpes dems da woist
21:12 BingoBoingo Thinking more on the subject Mississippi river dam would likely have to wait for the last of the uranium to be mined out of Iowa
21:14 deedbot- [Qntra] Obamacare Firm Loses Personal Information - http://qntra.net/2016/01/obamacare-firm-loses-personal-information/
21:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/a/MkYNE << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385503
21:16 assbot Bzzzt-popp. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/20pLHmK )
21:16 assbot Logged on 25-01-2016 21:00:21; *: asciilifeform just watched the master toggle on a 25 y.o. under-monitor surge protector thingie ~explode~ in a shower of sparks
21:18 BingoBoingo Fuck, they really don't/can't make those anymore
21:18 asciilifeform ^ interestingly, these have tiny incandescent lamps in'em
21:18 asciilifeform which ~still light~
21:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this one is ancient, possibly older than i am
21:18 asciilifeform and survived many thousands of toggles
21:19 asciilifeform it is not visible in the photo, which is a shame, because it was the only reason i even tried to take the photo - the piston in the switch is pockmarked from many, many microwelds
21:19 BingoBoingo I have a few like that. One 3 outlet square iron box that is likely a transformer but can not confirm because no good descriptive queries return other than ads for not it. Also lacked time to open.
21:25 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/01/nacdl-amicus-silk-road-warrant-unconstitutional-according-to-4th-amendment/#comment-43125
21:25 assbot NACDL Amicus: Silk Road Warrant Unconstitutional According To 4th Amendment | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pMaFx )
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21:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27155 @ 0.00055588 = 15.0949 BTC [-] {3}
21:49 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/7dbae0b73651e39f33ceb6b6dc58d45b/tumblr_mz6ok8aOve1tnxrxto1_1280.jpg "oh this new maid is so much better than the old one!"
21:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/20pNJ68 )
21:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform has ONE playing card, and it's a 4 of clobber.
21:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it happens to be the cleanest
21:54 thestringpuller asciilifeform: https://blog.bitpay.com/bitcore-for-microsoft-azure/ << more stuff to add to aws banhammer
21:54 TomServo mod6: 1) Yes (incidentally, what is the recommended graceful shutdown method?) 2) http://dpaste.com/3ARSCHB
21:54 assbot dpaste: 3ARSCHB ... ( http://bit.ly/20pO5d8 )
21:54 TomServo asciilifeform: Is this correct? http://dpaste.com/2C6N3TZ
21:55 assbot dpaste: 2C6N3TZ ... ( http://bit.ly/20pO5K8 )
21:55 mircea_popescu TomServo still kill -9
21:55 asciilifeform TomServo: this is not every useful. it does not tell us what you pressed
21:55 mod6 TomServo: you have an old db.cpp file somehow.
21:55 asciilifeform it was never kill -9 !
21:55 asciilifeform plain kill and some patience.
21:55 asciilifeform -9 risks wedging your db.
21:55 mod6 TomServo: ./bitcoind stop
21:56 TomServo I think the patience part was my problem.
21:57 TomServo asciilifeform: what can I provide that is useful?
21:57 asciilifeform the checksums of the actual source files you end up with.
21:57 asciilifeform post just the db one
22:00 TomServo 66f81f6da997109f4d34ca654d30e24cb850fa87a6fbe6a045c6cb1a9f6d47d979fb4e25a0bbb35064c1259cda3c7b5ff12f68d9c22c1acf45299dbb4ed72317 db.cpp
22:00 TomServo How would I end up with an old one?
22:01 mod6 not sure. we haven't seen this problem yet.
22:01 mod6 I don't suppose you logged your build process?
22:02 TomServo Unfortunately not.
22:03 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dollars to donuts you'll end up importing searle,
22:03 mod6 Aside from further diag. I think the best bet is to probably just start over. One way to log the entire build process (this goes for everyone) is to use `script`. This command, `script`, will start logging everything in the terminal ,and when finished, just type `exit` and all of the screen output will be saved in a file in the pwd called 'typescript'.
22:03 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's possible.
22:03 mircea_popescu then next thing you'll know you'll be putting out stuff like "the spread of [redacted] is perhaps the best known example of a silly but noncatastrophic phenomenon." and so on.
22:03 TomServo I think I've cause problems before with this old build before (deb squeeze).
22:04 mircea_popescu willy nilly all this idocy traces back to usians reading lacan and perhaps some saussure in the 60s and not understanding anything of it.
22:04 TomServo mod6: Will do. Thanks.
22:04 mod6 No problem! Good luck.
22:04 mod6 Certainly start with a clean env.
22:04 mod6 That'll ensure that nothing is coming in at a forty-five degree angle and hosing the build.
22:06 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well gotta make it that far to find out.
22:06 mod6 TomServo: one last qq: When did you create this build?
22:06 mod6 Was it within the last 24 hours?
22:08 TomServo mod6: Within the last 2 weeks.
22:08 mod6 ah, ok.
22:08 mod6 anyway, let us know how it goes.
22:08 TomServo Of course.
22:09 mod6 Salud.
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00055074 = 24.6732 BTC [-] {4}
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22:34 ben_vulpes https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971190
22:34 assbot But Rails Culture is to make developers smile!Fixing security vulnerabilities ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAyUV )
22:35 ben_vulpes https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971190 << also lulzy thread
22:35 assbot But Rails Culture is to make developers smile!Fixing security vulnerabilities ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAyUV )
22:36 ben_vulpes https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10970694 << scuze
22:36 assbot That's still broken. They've just pushed the problem deeper. Now instead of havi... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAGE0 )
22:37 asciilifeform what even
22:40 mircea_popescu " My intuition is that this might even require fewer attempts than the original comparison assuming a reasonable password length, but I haven't done the math." << he's right actually.
22:40 mircea_popescu ruby fixed its hashing by breaking it moar.
22:41 ben_vulpes it's not RUBY it's RAILS
22:41 ben_vulpes GOD
22:41 ben_vulpes (although who uses one without the other i do not know)
22:42 * mircea_popescu is not versed enough in this to know the difference.
22:42 mircea_popescu my dictionary has two r entries : r and rubyrails.
22:42 asciilifeform what, no REBOL ?!!
22:43 mircea_popescu no rebol.
22:44 mircea_popescu http://www.rebol.com/what-rebol.html << two paragraphs in and i'm queasy.
22:44 assbot What is REBOL? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Phegio )
22:44 mircea_popescu is this thing fucking stupid ?
22:44 asciilifeform aaaand don't forget Refal!
22:44 asciilifeform the soviet lisp.
22:44 asciilifeform !s refal
22:45 assbot 8 results for 'refal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=refal
22:45 mircea_popescu i don';t think you understand how mp works.
22:45 mircea_popescu the main thing i do is forget.
22:45 mircea_popescu that's my principal professional skill.
22:45 asciilifeform hey what do you think ~i~ do
22:46 asciilifeform any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass.
22:50 mircea_popescu !up AdrianG
22:50 AdrianG hi thx.
22:50 mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot AdrianG
22:50 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=AdrianG | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/AdrianG/
22:51 AdrianG what do you think of edward bernays, mircea_popescu ?
22:51 mircea_popescu you know you can voice yourself. just say !up to assbot in pm
22:51 mircea_popescu !s edward bernays
22:51 assbot 0 results for 'edward bernays' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=+edward+bernays
22:51 AdrianG oh. i didnt know. i thought somebody has to approve me.
22:51 mircea_popescu apparently nothing.
22:51 AdrianG thx whoever that was.
22:51 AdrianG mircea_popescu: i thought you'd know a bit about him at lesat.
22:51 trinque !s !rate AdrianG
22:51 assbot 0 results for '!rate AdrianG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%21rate+AdrianG
22:51 AdrianG bernays was quite a character.
22:52 mircea_popescu isn't he yet another marx/ziggler/barnum/whatever ?
22:52 AdrianG he is the father of 'spin', or propaganda, but on industrial scale.
22:52 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. << This has been the greatest challenge of sober living so far.
22:52 BingoBoingo Booze is a great forgetting aid
22:53 AdrianG bacon and eggs for breakfast, fluoride in water, smoking is good for you and liberates women etc
22:53 AdrianG his legacy is in almost every aspect of our lives today.
22:54 mircea_popescu AdrianG i think you're greatly overestimating some 1920s rando.
22:54 AdrianG mircea_popescu: he's not a rando
22:55 trinque this notion that there was a particular father of propaganda is pretty rich
22:55 thestringpuller ;;ud rando
22:55 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rando | rando. That which is random. Generally used in reference to people. I thought this party was invitation only...what the hell are all these randos doing here?
22:55 AdrianG sure, it was a long time ago, but he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale.
22:56 mircea_popescu AdrianG as seen where ?
22:56 trinque I am going to guess the documentary Century of the Self
22:56 mircea_popescu "Quick Facts We rebel against the idea that modern software must be large and complex." << "we also rebel against the concept of a fact and sane prosody.
22:57 asciilifeform where
22:57 mircea_popescu what sort of mental disorder must float about in the head of someone confusing phenomena and facts. even leaving aside that "what we do" is usually poorl self-perceived.
22:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quote above.
22:58 asciilifeform yes but from where
22:58 mircea_popescu "we rebel" can't be a fucking fact. IN PRINCIPLE.
22:58 mircea_popescu link slightly above-er, rebol.com
22:58 asciilifeform ah
22:58 AdrianG mircea_popescu: as seen where?
22:59 mircea_popescu AdrianG yes, how does a third party independently established your guy put propaganda on proper industrial scale.
22:59 mircea_popescu a feat usually credited to a certain reich minister.
23:00 AdrianG oh, hehe goebbels.
23:00 asciilifeform poor bernays, all of his atrocities are credited to w. r. hearst, usually
23:00 AdrianG nazis had a different goal.
23:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform at least hearst wasn't annoying AND poor.
23:01 mircea_popescu what's the other derp, more recent
23:01 mircea_popescu ogilvy
23:01 asciilifeform orwell's ogilvy ?!
23:02 mircea_popescu no, david.
23:02 AdrianG nice.
23:03 asciilifeform the question of 'who was the first to put ' propaganda, semiconductor, coprophagia, etc. 'on a scientific footing' is interesting but not resolvable.
23:04 AdrianG its highly subjective of course.
23:05 AdrianG the process is gradual and particular points will depend on the formulation of you definition.
23:05 asciilifeform e.g., otto lilienfeld drew the transistor, in agonizing detail, and even a more interesting type than actually produced (cupric oxide!) - but - as far as anyone knows - never built one
23:05 asciilifeform maxwell described all of the equations which govern radio but never built one, did not give the slightest fuck
23:05 asciilifeform etc.
23:06 asciilifeform (m was only interested in light!)
23:06 mircea_popescu AdrianG nevertheless, what exactly led you to your stated conclusion ?
23:08 AdrianG mircea_popescu: he was first to use psychoanalysis of some sort, and with great success.
23:08 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/1e23b93cb8d5bbc196df8013731f76d6/tumblr_mvdjhhfIcF1rv2vl4o1_1280.jpg << putting bedroom heating on industrial footing.
23:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PyljPE )
23:08 AdrianG and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.
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23:08 mircea_popescu AdrianG the thesis was "he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale"
23:08 AdrianG mircea_popescu: you need scientific foundation to put something on industrial scale. which he did. and with great success = thus scale.
23:08 mircea_popescu don't flatter yourself, nobody gives a flying fuck what fb feels like to the cows.
23:09 mircea_popescu it mostly hires lawyers and businbess majors.
23:09 AdrianG why flatter myself? i have nothing to do witht the field.
23:09 mircea_popescu which field ?
23:09 AdrianG why would I flatter myself?
23:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11905 @ 0.00055942 = 6.6599 BTC [+] {2}
23:12 mircea_popescu i have no idea.
23:12 mircea_popescu but for the record, fb employs something like 10k people. didja know this when you proposed the "thousands of phds" theory ?
23:13 AdrianG never heard of hyperbole?
23:13 AdrianG asciilifeform: what made you think maxwell was only interested in light? he said so himself somewhere?
23:14 mircea_popescu i did hear of hyperbole. sadly there's a disease running around among the social-mediated youth, which has little to do with the stylistical choice and everything to do with lazy thinking.
23:15 mircea_popescu i guess either 9gag or cracked put that particular brain rot on "industrial footing", depending on whether we credit alf's symbolic supremacy or not.
23:15 mircea_popescu (but really, the kids were lazy long before either of these hot-topic'd the matter)
23:16 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/ae9557f2dc6127fb5b466524d9c5fade/tumblr_mpmj7j8xG61rjqog4o1_400.gif
23:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PylFFO )
23:17 AdrianG heh
23:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18263 @ 0.00056039 = 10.2344 BTC [+] {2}
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