#trilema | 2013-12-20

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00:00	mircea_popescu	KRS\|Gotyawallet ^
00:00	KRS\|Gotyawallet	ya
00:00	KRS\|Gotyawallet	right
00:01	KRS\|Gotyawallet	figured you'd find that interesting so i shared
00:01	Vexual	gay hat
00:02	Vexual	came on the front of a magazine just like red hat
00:03	Vexual	marie claire? whoops, i wanted android developer
00:03	mircea_popescu	dork parade.
00:04	mircea_popescu	but anyways.
00:04	Vexual	trotsky wore a nice hat ya?
00:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00090578 = 3.6231 BTC [+]
00:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 233 @ 0.00045 = 0.1049 BTC [+]
00:08	Vexual	that shit prevents brain injury
00:09	Duffer1	nice hats?
00:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC
00:09	Vexual	my alologies
00:10	mircea_popescu	kinda lulzy anyway.
00:10	Vexual	tis the season
00:12	mircea_popescu	"let
00:12	mircea_popescu	s pretend there doesn;t exist a $1bn+ player around and our 5mn start-up could matter"
00:12	mircea_popescu	nice season.
00:12	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka4ZPBLz9NI
00:12	ozbot	Bunny Wailer - Bald Head Jesus - YouTube
00:20	kakobrekla	imgur.com/Wppk2o2
00:20	kakobrekla	http://imgur.com/Wppk2o2
00:20	ozbot	a basic primer on economics (for new users) - Imgur
00:20	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Player indeed
00:20	Vexual	hows pankakkes economics lesson going?
00:21	KRS\|Gotyawallet	we've all seen those startups with fancy logos and names you've never heard of before..in almost any industry or service offering
00:21	KRS\|Gotyawallet	some almost seemed like a packaged deal you can buy online
00:21	KRS\|Gotyawallet	real tight and lulzy
00:22	KRS\|Gotyawallet	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVmu6yttiw
00:22	ozbot	SKRILLEX - Bangarang feat. Sirah [Official Music Video] - YouTube
00:27	KRS\|Gotyawallet	IPO in a box
00:27	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Just name your board and officers allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. Attorneys fees, filing and taxes extra.
00:28	KRS\|Gotyawallet	'Shells R Us'
00:29	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XiYUYcpsT4
00:29	ozbot	Bob Marley - I Shot The Sheriff - YouTube
00:37	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1mo75mKFJ0
00:37	ozbot	DJ Algoriddim: King Pharoahs Plague (Yabby U, Vivian Jackson, Tommy McCook, King Tubby) - YouTube
00:37	mircea_popescu	one of these days some us kid is going to pay attention in school, and thus hear about this "flying with machines heavier than air" new idea
00:38	mircea_popescu	and before you know it there's going to be a bloweing start-up in virginia, which is going to maybe one day have airplane flights among cities!
00:38	mircea_popescu	like you know, a regular thing! creativity! revolution!
00:38	Vexual	theres a great ultralight crash on liveleak
00:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 679 @ 0.002836 = 1.9256 BTC [-]
00:39	Vexual	gotta start somewhere
00:39	Vexual	land, stroke beard, kick thing with adrenalin
00:40	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the startup of steam! will have to come first.
00:40	mircea_popescu	nah, there's no multi billion dollar steam company already in business
00:40	asciilifeform	(as described here - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388)
00:40	mircea_popescu	thus therefore it's not a hot subject.
00:41	mircea_popescu	notice how kids play about being cavalry officers on their wooden horse cca 1800
00:41	mircea_popescu	but not 2000 ?
00:41	mircea_popescu	now they're tank commanders.
00:41	asciilifeform	i did both...
00:41	mircea_popescu	i never did the tank thing.
00:45	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lOnYL1uSuc
00:45	ozbot	Machete Kills TV SPOT - President Carlos (2013) - Charlie Sheen Movie HD - YouTube
00:55	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KDW80qLXs
00:55	ozbot	Johnny Vegas - The Late Late Show \| Behind The Scenes - YouTube
01:09	Vexual	why is there an mpex logo on that stones track>?
01:09	Vexual	illuminati/?
01:13	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkMg_X9lHMc
01:13	ozbot	Marteria - Kids (2 Finger an den Kopf) [Offizielles Video] - YouTube
01:17	Vexual	hey smidge, im getting thirsty
01:18	Vexual	please don't forget about me
01:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1530 @ 0.00012 = 0.1836 BTC [+]
01:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 172 @ 0.00299336 = 0.5149 BTC [+] {5}
01:24	Vexual	you sure get all english as a second language when you don't like the content smidge
01:28	Vexual	you be 3 million euro in the hole, and all i get is distain
01:30	truffles	ure super broke vexual?
01:31	Vexual	sure
01:32	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1Rs6LSvBs
01:32	ozbot	transvision vamp - i want your love - YouTube
01:32	truffles	i can loan u 6 bux to get u back on ur feat
01:32	Vexual	thanks brah
01:33	truffles	no prob
01:33	truffles	u can turn it into 600 in no time
01:33	Vexual	in a week
01:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0227 = 0.1589 BTC [+]
01:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02215833 = 0.2659 BTC [-] {3}
01:35	truffles	i believe she wants that love
01:35	Vexual	ironicly im sure that song gets a cheque
01:36	truff1es	hehe
01:37	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw more cool hatz
01:37	ozbot	Pharrell Williams - Happy (12AM) - YouTube
01:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0487896 = 0.4391 BTC [+]
01:39	truff1es	my fav pharrell song is
01:41	truff1es	cant remember the name
01:41	Vexual	youre shit in so many ways truffles
01:41	truff1es	:8
01:42	truff1es	why u say that
01:42	Vexual	well its self evident to me
01:42	truff1es	u want hurt my feelings is that it
01:42	Vexual	my apologies
01:43	truff1es	ure sorry now? pfff
01:43	Vexual	whoa, are u esl too?
01:44	truff1es	esl ?
01:44	truff1es	:D
01:52	Vexual	u play mostor hunter truffles?
01:53	truff1es	no?
01:53	Vexual	oh
01:54	KRS\|Gotyawallet	anyone see this article
01:54	KRS\|Gotyawallet	http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12
01:54	ozbot	The Bitcoin Meltdown Has Begun - Business Insider
01:56	KRS\|Gotyawallet	THIS is why we need to move our assets to dogecoin.
01:57	Vexual	some of the new new sers will get it in a year
01:58	BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: That article basically reads as 'Murica can't bitcoin so I hate Bitcoin
01:58	Vexual	murica bitcoins hard
01:59	BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: And nevar forget that 'Murica isn't even 'Murican enough for Duck Dynasty
01:59	KRS\|Gotyawallet	None of those comments address these concerns.
01:59	mircea_popescu	lol meltdown my foot.
01:59	KRS\|Gotyawallet	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIqtApWRtEM
01:59	ozbot	Public Enemy No. 1 - Public Enemy - YouTube
01:59	truff1es	monster hunter looks like role playing vexual
01:59	mircea_popescu	someone should save all this retardedness so we can mock "mainstream" media later on.
02:00	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Those seem like valid concerns. These comments are simply just ignoring the issues.
02:00	mircea_popescu	what valid concern specifically ?
02:00	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Anyone have a good rebuttal for any of the concerns illustrated in the article?
02:01	mircea_popescu	...
02:01	KRS\|Gotyawallet	I shall pick one.
02:01	mircea_popescu	go ahead
02:01	KRS\|Gotyawallet	im not debating or questioning anyone's expertise here. I'm curious because these seem pretty legit.
02:02	KRS\|Gotyawallet	ok so the comment about inflation can be dismissed-
02:02	Vexual	....
02:02	mircea_popescu	well so which are the concerns ?
02:03	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ << the cannonical "inflation concern" rebuttal.
02:03	ozbot	The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
02:03	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Bitcoin has not taken off as a transactional currency and is further undermined by the fact that the majority of Bitcoin owners hoard e-coins. The more hoarded the less available to buy goods and services and spur economic growth.
02:03	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12#ixzz2nzpQ4sy0
02:03	KRS\|Gotyawallet	That seems pretty valid.
02:04	mircea_popescu	"transactional currency" is a meaningless string created to give the appearance of depth to a nonsense piece of posturing.
02:04	KRS\|Gotyawallet	However, much of the supply is in the hands of a few.
02:04	mircea_popescu	bitcoin is and was a store of value. this is trilema 2012,
02:04	Vexual	he sung that ax withought a breath
02:04	mircea_popescu	and in general these "professors" and "experts" would do a lot better reading more and talking less.
02:04	KRS\|Gotyawallet	so supply isn't a problem..
02:05	mircea_popescu	gold is not "a transactional currency" either.
02:05	mircea_popescu	who cares and why is it a topic ?
02:05	truff1es	lol!
02:05	Vexual	satoshi was very wizard
02:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0487896 = 0.7318 BTC [+]
02:05	BingoBoingo	I think I said this yesterday, but even the hardest core bitcoiners will still burn fiat for toothpaste instead of BTC
02:06	BingoBoingo	BTC isn't consumer stuff
02:06	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo of course. grisham's law.
02:06	mircea_popescu	bad money driving the good into the storwe of value function
02:06	mircea_popescu	basically "btc is not a transactional currency" is a fancy way of saying "the usd is shit, so everyone'd rather spend that"
02:07	Vexual	and your avergae bc user prolly has a better about whats going on that your average dollar user
02:07	truff1es	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJEYeqXPhg
02:07	ozbot	Amaranthe - It's All About Me (Rain) [ALBUM QUALITY] with lyrics - YouTube
02:07	Vexual	a dumb statistic, but worth noting
02:08	KRS\|Gotyawallet	You know what, I analyzed this article but i actually applied critical thinking this time..initially, I didn't. It really is a bunch of bullshit. None of the points were backed by good examples.
02:08	Vexual	if you want to really dumb it down, look at early adopters and the skillset and motivation
02:08	KRS\|Gotyawallet	I actually can't cite anything else from the article.
02:08	KRS\|Gotyawallet	It really is propaganda.
02:08	mircea_popescu	yw.
02:08	Vexual	thats why hes only worked there for 3 weeks
02:08	KRS\|Gotyawallet	i had to read it 3 times.
02:09	KRS\|Gotyawallet	its like..i read these rags, but my emotions get tied up because i have an investment in it..and admittedly i let it get the best of me.
02:09	BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: Welcome to Business Insider, the Buzzfeed of financial reporting
02:09	mircea_popescu	yup.
02:09	mircea_popescu	it's how they're designed to work.
02:09	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Critical thinking is hard to weild when your emotions are part of the equation.
02:09	Vexual	elvis said you can ignore space and time, don't mean you have to
02:10	BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: Use vodka to blunt the emotions. What could go wrong?
02:10	KRS\|Gotyawallet	wow, thanks guys i actually feel enlightened.
02:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00090421 = 12.885 BTC [-]
02:10	KRS\|Gotyawallet	i've tried to tear this thing apart..i can't.
02:10	truff1es	u care too much KRS, go drink it off ldo
02:11	Vexual	what type of investment do you think you have krs?
02:11	KRS\|Gotyawallet	all else aside, i think we all have the investment of time. and that in itself is most valuable. (C) 2013.
02:12	KRS\|Gotyawallet	lol ya my drinking days were left behind in college..wouldn't mind sparking up some fine herb though..pass the j
02:14	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgWUnuB6quc
02:14	ozbot	Bob Marley Small Axe - YouTube
02:15	KRS\|Gotyawallet	BingoBoingo: Business Insider a well known rag?
02:15	Vexual	kinda
02:15	Vexual	and thusly not ashamed to throw some muppet under a bus
02:15	KRS\|Gotyawallet	guilty
02:15	BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: Business Insider is actually rather new. They made the decision to be glossy toilet paper from the start though.
02:16	KRS\|Gotyawallet	hehe
02:16	KRS\|Gotyawallet	now i know
02:16	KRS\|Gotyawallet	kind of disappointed in myself for not using critical thinking
02:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00283 = 0.1358 BTC [-]
02:16	KRS\|Gotyawallet	gotta work on that
02:16	BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: It is like upworthy or any other non-content enterprise. Business Insider sells titles to get links.
02:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8835 @ 0.00012 = 1.0602 BTC [+]
02:17	KRS\|Gotyawallet	shame..curious, what would be a good publication? i like to read the marketplace in wsj
02:18	Vexual	i buy fortune if i want to look flashy on the plane
02:18	mircea_popescu	theuy all kinda went to shit
02:18	Vexual	the format covers a penthouse
02:19	truff1es	washington journal got bought by whatshisface
02:19	KRS\|Gotyawallet	npr has a business section, i know its radio but everything is available on the website
02:19	Vexual	people still read time
02:20	BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: For Bitcoin to the best of my knowledge reputable sources consist of Trilema, The Genesis Block, and thedrinkingrecord.com
02:20	KRS\|Gotyawallet	BingoBoingo thanks I'll check those out.
02:22	Vexual	i read afr in black and white sometimes, but i need a big pinch of salt, some dos guanos and a lime
02:22	KRS\|Gotyawallet	afr?
02:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13452 @ 0.0009018 = 12.131 BTC [-] {3}
02:22	KRS\|Gotyawallet	honestly..there's nothing like a brand new PENTHOUSE
02:22	Vexual	aussie financial rag
02:22	KRS\|Gotyawallet	ah
02:23	Vexual	why do they put penthouse in airports?
02:23	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Hahaaha
02:23	KRS\|Gotyawallet	remember CLUB, HUSTLER
02:23	KRS\|Gotyawallet	my favs
02:25	KRS\|Gotyawallet	http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51n-Xua%2BY0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
02:25	Vexual	yeah, we get it
02:28	KRS\|Gotyawallet	sorry didnt mean to make you uncomfortable there vexual
02:28	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGYAAsHT4QE
02:28	ozbot	Bob Marley Three little birds (Original) - YouTube
02:28	Vexual	fuck no, i hop on the plane open that shit and let murphys law sit a tight little hottie next to me
02:29	BingoBoingo	KRS\|Gotyawallet: Some people want to be in the mile high club, but the only willing partner they care to find is their hand
02:29	Vexual	toast lands butter down so i vegemite the floor
02:29	KRS\|Gotyawallet	haha
02:30	Vexual	no problemas
02:32	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MPfX1ISC0
02:32	ozbot	Wax Rosana Official Music Video - YouTube
02:34	Vexual	dos guanos gringo
02:35	Vexual	stones no longer safe on earth
02:35	Vexual	olo
02:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00090169 = 7.484 BTC [-]
02:37	Vexual	let me run it thru orb
02:40	Vexual	nothing
02:42	Vexual	smarthouse my arse
02:45	Vexual	yes i have an autistic computer
02:46	Vexual	invented before the internet
02:47	Vexual	fuck you google labs
02:47	BingoBoingo	Vexual: I am impressed. I merely have pre-web computers. Nothing pre Internet though
02:48	Vexual	wait, when did the internet start?
02:50	mircea_popescu	1960s
02:50	Vexual	in any case i chucked that first machine learning package whos name i forget out 20 yearsa ago
02:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13194 @ 0.00089985 = 11.8726 BTC [-] {2}
02:51	BingoBoingo	1969 or 1981 depending on which networks whould be counted as Internet proper and not that Goofy intelligence leak the Air Force ran
02:51	Vexual	was ip just a joke for plebs?
02:52	Vexual	they dont use ip on subs
02:52	BingoBoingo	Vexual: Subs have IP
02:52	Vexual	yeah?
02:53	Vexual	just more wires?
02:53	Vexual	were talking internet protocol here right?
02:53	BingoBoingo	I'm inclined to take 1981 as the birth of the capital "I" internet though the technologies have been brewing longer. It is when shit went public.
02:54	bounce	usenet.
02:54	BingoBoingo	Vexual, between my Vodka and your bathsalts it is hard to tell what is being discussed
02:54	Vexual	lol
02:54	Vexual	i appreciate the macfee
02:55	Vexual	ip is excellent for the world
02:56	BingoBoingo	Vexual: Scheier and other government agents are dangers to freedom, but so are people tripping balls 24/7 like McAfee
02:56	Vexual	yeah well at least hes in control of his own shit
02:58	Vexual	gaza would look a lot different without the mossy e
02:58	Vexual	v&
03:02	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduLqCiq1YM
03:02	ozbot	Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube
03:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 476 @ 0.00282544 = 1.3449 BTC [-] {12}
03:02	Vexual	whats better than a double edged sword?
03:06	Vexual	ask mcafee hess say a double barrelled shotgun
03:07	Vexual	ask the isralei girl who just turned 22
03:08	Vexual	she dont want no close quarters comabat
03:08	Vexual	she will say 2 tickets to goa
03:10	Vexual	the american homeboy in prison might say 2 months in the hole
03:10	BingoBoingo	Vexual? What if you need to cause injury to three people though?
03:11	Vexual	well if you're asking mossad, theyll say a tripple shot fucking long range missile with a 509 metre kill radius
03:14	Vexual	that shit doesnt need a camera, good intel, set, forget
03:17	Vexual	id say a triple edged sword
03:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
03:21	Vexual	and ballet lessons
03:26	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flle3hJm2yk
03:26	ozbot	Peter Chung - Loaded Promo - YouTube
03:26	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ih1SHVkq94
03:26	ozbot	Umami - Sunny - YouTube
03:32	Vexual	ill dumb it down so more vodka makes it clearer
03:32	Vexual	self relieance and freedom are the themes
03:32	Vexual	both of which arent true
03:33	Vexual	but the trader has both
03:33	Vexual	and they are inalaible
03:34	Vexual	futhermore, in the words of australias great irish hero:
03:34	Vexual	such is life
03:37	dub	Vexual is down with the inhalable
03:37	Vexual	lol
03:37	Vexual	did i get geolocated?
03:38	Vexual	fucking ip
03:39	Vexual	csiro wifi patent ran out, sell kennilworth
03:42	Vexual	wait noone whos ever even heard of csiro has aven shooken a kennilworth hand
03:44	Vexual	fucking leprachauns
03:44	Vexual	100k in sundries for a landcruiser
03:45	Vexual	and its asx listed, so the whole shit is half illegal
03:51	Vexual	if mircea ran the asx, those rainbow running fucks would be delisted in a heartbeat
03:57	Vexual	ive got more gold in my arse
04:01	Vexual	something newer, what of this seed fun ?
04:01	Vexual	*d
04:03	Vexual	yeah thats a lot of coin, im not saying shit
04:07	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klVe7_2UEQ8
04:07	ozbot	Best Mariachi Music - YouTube
04:11	Vexual	dub help me
04:18	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63tEbQryLpQ
04:18	ozbot	D12 - Shit on You (Full Uncensored) - YouTube
04:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2968084 = 2.9681 BTC [+] {6}
04:19	Vexual	yay finance
04:26	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXANDMk9Z6w
04:27	Vexual	if those guys had a baby smidge would come out
04:28	Vexual	from craig davids bottom
04:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0487896 = 1.4149 BTC [+]
04:30	Vexual	*a smidge
04:30	Vexual	not the smidge
04:30	Vexual	dont want some facist shouting liabel
04:38	Vexual	http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e0_1385652769&comments=1
04:38	ozbot	LiveLeak.com - Meanwhile In Australia - Riding My Emu To Work (comments)
04:40	Vexual	hey smidge
04:41	Vexual	mick jagger charges more than you
04:44	Vexual	if you want to play games get a nintendo
04:52	Vexual	oh i should take my own medecine there
04:52	Vexual	£realize
04:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012 = 1.08 BTC [+]
04:53	Vexual	ill be back in 3 months with wiiu chip#s for all the gents
04:54	Vexual	300khs scrypt when its off
04:54	truffles	free chips?
04:54	Vexual	youll have to reselve yourself truff
04:54	Vexual	*)
04:54	Vexual	*0
04:55	truffles	reselve?
04:55	Vexual	resolvbe
04:55	Vexual	-b
04:55	Vexual	can u troll in japanese?
04:56	truffles	:(
04:56	Vexual	can u make your mum buy you a nintendo and monstor hunter?
04:56	truffles	no
04:56	truffles	i didnt even play it much when we had it
04:57	Vexual	no the new one is better#
04:58	Vexual	you lkike to troll?
04:59	truffles	i feel like
04:59	truffles	ure trying to hurt me
04:59	Vexual	no, if you want to troll, i will show you
05:00	truffles	ull show me how to fail ok
05:01	truffles	if u dont understand what im saying just ask
05:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00089947 = 9.9841 BTC [-]
05:02	Vexual	perhaps if you learn to harekiri some dumb fuck on monstor hunter u can mine ore on eve for mircea
05:03	truffles	its not a game id play
05:03	Vexual	they have a warrior shooter
05:04	truffles	it looks like a wannabe supermario os
05:04	Vexual	nintendo?
05:05	truffles	the game, i saw utube clip
05:05	Vexual	oh yeah its not as easy as it sounds
05:05	truffles	i did enjoy age of empire's 1
05:06	truffles	i couldnt make it through AOE 2
05:07	Vexual	too versatile?
05:07	truffles	i dont like how it looked, it felt like they changed the game
05:09	Vexual	if you become accustomed to your old prong it's not necissarily a sign of low intelligence
05:10	truffles	i know, im not big on changes
05:12	Vexual	nintendo invented two iterations of virual reality and never saw it through, but the innovation gets my money every time
05:13	truffles	xbox or wii?
05:13	Vexual	wiiu pad is a headset without the velcro
05:13	truffles	i dont like wii
05:14	Vexual	u will when youre bleeding from the face
05:14	truffles	ure gonna make me bleed? heh
05:14	Vexual	its unlikely
05:15	truffles	esp since ure prob some skinny nerd :D
05:15	Vexual	i am
05:15	Vexual	u fat?
05:15	truffles	im not obese
05:15	Vexual	but youll swipe my feet?
05:15	truffles	prob
05:16	Vexual	u got a pink tracksuit?
05:16	truffles	nah
05:16	Vexual	kick snow at me?
05:16	truffles	i dont fight ppl
05:16	truffles	im peaceful
05:17	Vexual	me too, youre bleeding from the face by the virtual reality
05:18	Vexual	omiting, shiting, sneezing, crying, all at once
05:18	truffles	why
05:18	Vexual	coz its virtual rality and its a whole experience, unusual to us
05:19	truffles	id rather get booze
05:19	Vexual	its in your house, do what u want
05:20	Vexual	tyhe gaming pop is going to explode with vr headsets
05:21	Vexual	ps4 will not last 10 years this time
05:21	truffles	getting xbox2
05:21	Vexual	sounds right
05:21	truffles	obv i dont wanna move on to "new" one
05:22	Vexual	obv
05:22	truffles	the old one works just fine u kno
05:22	Vexual	dead set
05:22	Vexual	get version one, at least that plays videos
05:23	Namworld	I'm going to play I Wanna Be The Guy, VR version
05:23	Namworld	So unfair it might just look like real life.
05:23	Vexual	what dat dutchie?
05:23	truffles	ps4 looks better than xbox2 though
05:23	truffles	too bad i dont like ps4 games
05:23	Vexual	its a sony
05:24	truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzxJgWbm_3I this?
05:24	ozbot	I Wanna Be The Guy - Complete Run (Part 1 of 5) - YouTube
05:24	Vexual	dem apples
05:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
05:27	truffles	looks like super mario!
05:28	pankkake	but 9000 times harder
05:28	truffles	omg mike tyson?
05:28	revy	cat in snow
05:29	truffles	in the video its fighting mike
05:29	truffles	4:50minute
05:30	revy	snot
05:30	revy	tears?
05:32	revy	its ok if youre watching mario ride link
05:32	truffles	im watching link i posted above "I Wanna Be the Guy"
05:34	revy	mario didnt fare well in the family
05:35	revy	wrong castle
05:37	revy	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8JAPNbhaT8
05:37	ozbot	Black Lagoon - Hey Rock (She likes me for me) - YouTube
05:38	truffles	thats on my list of anime to watch!
05:38	Vexual	i only ver watch that and urutsukudodji
05:38	KRS\|Gotyawallet	:P
05:39	truffles	cowboy bebop u should watch :D
05:39	Vexual	is that like brokeback mountain?
05:39	KRS\|Gotyawallet	hah
05:39	truffles	no wai, its a good one
05:40	truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zDfxZ4NcE
05:40	ozbot	Cowboy Bebop opening (Tank) - YouTube
05:40	Vexual	yeah ive seen it
05:40	Vexual	i cant abide bullshit pace travel
05:40	truffles	hater
05:41	Vexual	eat me
05:41	truffles	u got no meat to eat
05:42	Vexual	but if you choose to play i can eat you
05:42	truffles	have u seen berserk?
05:43	truffles	this intro is pretty graphic/dark
05:43	truffles	to Urotsukidoji
05:43	Vexual	dont know beserk
05:44	truffles	1st ep is the last ep
05:44	Vexual	what do you eat?
05:44	truffles	right now? pistachio's
05:44	Vexual	ill have nigella round
05:45	truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZIoc-iNyBQ&list=PL7mDg8J8cx9QmvNW2Y19T_-9DeKrodjIR
05:45	ozbot	Berserk Episode 2 [1 2] English Dub - YouTube.flv - YouTube
05:46	truffles	obv gonna have to rewatch that series sometime
05:46	Vexual	ha that guy is my cousin
05:46	truffles	which
05:46	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Vexual did you watch breaking bad yet
05:46	Vexual	the sword guy who doesnt have a hawk
05:47	Vexual	yes ive seen breaking bad
05:47	KRS\|Gotyawallet	teh best imo
05:47	truffles	now go watch The Wire
05:47	KRS\|Gotyawallet	yeh
05:47	Vexual	sigh
05:48	truffles	this guy looks like vegeta!
05:48	Vexual	fat fuck
05:48	Vexual	cliced thin with some hot and sour soup#
05:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.03640738 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7}
05:50	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoEiU2KAs9E
05:50	ozbot	Black Lagoon - Revy in Japan - YouTube
05:53	Vexual	u went to japen Graet
05:53	Vexual	whats it like?
05:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57337 @ 0.00090173 = 51.7025 BTC [+] {4}
05:56	Vexual	did friedcat come and chinese it up, kicking robots in the crotch and shit?
05:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000202 BTC [-]
05:59	realtetsuo	lend me your shitty motorbike
06:01	realtetsuo	i, i, i cant take it any longer
06:01	Vexual	feel that?
06:02	Vexual	private fibre baby
06:04	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzQsfffGzIs
06:05	ozbot	Black Lagoon AMV - Revy's broken dreams - YouTube
06:05	Vexual	i apologise namworld
06:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28000202 = 0.84 BTC [-]
06:06	Vexual	if u think revy shooting shit is a spoiler, you can stop watching 2 minutes into episode 1
06:07	truffles	not clicking any lagoon links :d
06:07	Vexual	fair cop
06:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000203 BTC [+]
06:08	truffles	Urotsukidoji is really hentai?
06:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0487896 = 1.0734 BTC [+]
06:10	Vexual	Roanapur is really no place for a lady to be slone tho.
06:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00283 = 0.3085 BTC [-]
06:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00283 = 0.566 BTC [-]
06:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28000203 = 0.56 BTC [+]
06:14	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Lx_y-FyT0
06:14	ozbot	My Island Home - Christine Anu - YouTube
06:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27603222 BTC [-]
06:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0487896 = 0.8294 BTC [+]
06:18	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD6_kyOyR50
06:18	ozbot	Christine Anu - Coz I'm Free (2001) - YouTube
06:22	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g
06:22	ozbot	Sinead O'Connor - Molly Malone - YouTube
06:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6732 @ 0.00090271 = 6.077 BTC [+] {2}
06:26	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFLP_FzvEOg
06:26	ozbot	Kings Cross - Story Of Our Lives - Ben Nevis - YouTube
06:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.297 = 2.376 BTC [+]
06:41	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWOJlWh6xs0 informatik
06:41	ozbot	Black Lagoon AMV - The Scorpion - YouTube
06:47	Vexual	has onyone outside of china ever called the police for a bitcoin matter?
06:49	Vexual	and the herman that got his laptop took on a country lane
		~ 36 minutes ~
07:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00291 = 0.1484 BTC [+]
07:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1184 @ 0.00282638 = 3.3464 BTC [-] {3}
07:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00090487 = 9.1392 BTC [+]
07:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12017 @ 0.00012 = 1.442 BTC [+]
08:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 46 @ 0.02113043 = 0.972 BTC [-] {5}
08:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 308 @ 0.00253816 = 0.7818 BTC [-] {13}
08:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [+]
08:29	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Bobby Lee has it all handled.
08:30	KRS\|Gotyawallet	I went to sleep for the night and i'm back already..sad.
08:32	truffles	tis the weekend
08:38	jurov	;;later tell Vexual bitcash.cz dude did go to police after the theft.
08:38	gribble	The operation succeeded.
08:38	jurov	;;later tell Vexual little did that help so far
08:38	gribble	The operation succeeded.
08:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 356 @ 0.00281152 = 1.0009 BTC [-] {3}
08:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28202614 = 0.5641 BTC [-] {2}
08:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012 = 0.96 BTC [+]
08:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2761002 BTC [-]
08:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 277 @ 0.00279899 = 0.7753 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 18 minutes ~
09:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11883 @ 0.00090481 = 10.7519 BTC [-]
09:17	TomServo	.d
09:17	ozbot	908350862.43702 \| Next Diff in 130 blocks \| Estimated Change: 31.2986% in 0d 14h 8m 2s
09:18	ThickAsThieves	;;nethash
09:18	gribble	9950311.51339
09:18	ThickAsThieves	;;estimate
09:18	gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 1192682487.75 based on data since last change \| 1390021250.17 based on data for last three days
09:18	ThickAsThieves	wow
09:18	TomServo	indeed.
09:18	ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats
09:19	gribble	Current Blocks: 276061 \| Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 \| Next Difficulty In: 130 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 44 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 1192682487.75 \| Estimated Percent Change: 31.30196
09:23	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00222441 = 0.2224 BTC [-] {3}
09:30	ThickAsThieves	http://bitbet.us/bet/134/civil-war-in-the-usa-in-2013/ ha
09:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00090519 = 23.8518 BTC [+] {2}
09:30	ozbot	BitBet - Civil war in the USA in 2013
09:33	truffles	maybe 2020
09:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2762 BTC [+]
09:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 137 @ 0.001 = 0.137 BTC
09:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1150 @ 0.00012 = 0.138 BTC [+]
		~ 16 minutes ~
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00279899 = 0.2519 BTC [-]
10:05	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/mud-immortal-organizer-in-personal-bankruptcy-during-event-1.2470111
10:05	ozbot	Mud Immortal organizer in personal bankruptcy during event - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
10:05	nubbins`	someone should tell that guy about bitcoin
10:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00090636 = 14.1619 BTC [+] {2}
10:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 180 @ 0.022 = 3.96 BTC [-]
10:14	ThickAsThieves	seems he's got his scamming under control already tho
10:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10523 @ 0.00012 = 1.2628 BTC [+]
10:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00090739 = 4.6277 BTC [+]
10:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
10:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4370 @ 0.00012 = 0.5244 BTC [+]
10:39	ThickAsThieves	"Today Bitcoin China (BTC China) formally launched a new product, "currency lock" - the most secure online bitcoin wallet. "Currency lock" the safest way to store the user's offline Bitcoin, a process known as cold storage, it can ensure that your wallet will not be stolen by hackers online. Your "money locked" account we have bank-level security protection. In the future, China Bitcoin
10:39	ThickAsThieves	(BTC China) users can send your bitcoins safely stored in bitcoins China (BTC China) of "currency locked" inside."
10:40	ThickAsThieves	http://www.reuters.com/investigates/china-military/#article/part4
10:40	ozbot	Breakout: Inside China's military buildup
10:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.00090554 = 9.261 BTC [-] {3}
10:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00045 = 0.225 BTC [+]
10:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 323 @ 0.00090368 = 0.2919 BTC [-]
11:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 50000 @ 0.00012 = 6 BTC [+]
11:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 33000 @ 0.001 = 33 BTC
11:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 282 @ 0.001 = 0.282 BTC
11:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.02229999 = 0.3791 BTC [+] {2}
11:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0487896 = 0.1464 BTC [+]
11:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2110 @ 0.00090739 = 1.9146 BTC [+]
11:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2500 @ 0.00066111 = 1.6528 BTC [-]
11:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 2500 @ 0.00014 = 0.35 BTC [+]
11:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 196 @ 0.00283598 = 0.5559 BTC [+]
11:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 2500 @ 0.00014 = 0.35 BTC [+]
11:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00283598 = 0.2836 BTC [+] {3}
11:41	KRS\|Gotyawallet	they scare me
11:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00090787 = 2.2697 BTC [+]
11:44	the20year2	Rentalstarter payments are finally going out
11:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 170 @ 0.00301429 = 0.5124 BTC [-] {4}
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12:17	peterL	@assbot is a shill :P
12:25	pankkake	hmm… speaking of shill… how about a bot telling of bet updates?
12:25	pankkake	for example any bet >0.1, new bets, etc.
12:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 12000 @ 0.001 = 12 BTC
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00279899 = 0.2071 BTC [-] {2}
12:33	peterL	do bets get posted to twitter or anything like that?
12:33	peterL	and how is that a "speaking of shill"?
12:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1997 @ 0.001 = 1.997 BTC
12:37	KRS\|Gotyawallet	i want to profit with amazing free video
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12:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
12:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 325 @ 0.001 = 0.325 BTC
12:44	KRS\|Gotyawallet	whats with litecoin tanking
12:44	Duffer1	it's following btc
12:46	mircea_popescu	so today i learned that while in romania you pay 350 euros a month to rent a property worth 70k, in the us you miostly pay 700 dollars a month to rent a property worth 30k
12:46	mircea_popescu	you people are getting gypped over there big time.
12:46	Duffer1	we know :(
12:46	mircea_popescu	but i mean... 4.5x ? come on. it's real estate not nuclear physics.
12:47	mircea_popescu	10, 15, 17% more i can see. 450% ?!
12:47	pankkake	I doubt prices are the same in the whole US
12:47	Duffer1	there are too many reasons that compound the issue
12:47	pankkake	if you want to laugh, come to Paris
12:47	mike_c	i've been renting for 15 years and have not found that to be true.
12:47	mircea_popescu	pankkake this was spurred by a guy's data re central ohio. meanwhile i had intel check it out
12:47	mircea_popescu	it is eerilie universal to the us, yes.
12:48	mircea_popescu	just property values vary.
12:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4880 @ 0.001 = 4.88 BTC {2}
12:48	mircea_popescu	mike_c california and ny stand out as exceptions
12:48	Duffer1	far higher than normal right?
12:48	Duffer1	"normal"
12:48	mike_c	well, if it is true in the midwest, it is likely related to the fact that nobody can get a mortgage anymore in the us.
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC
12:49	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 exaggerate to hell property values, which make rents a smaller proportion but also exaggerated to all hell.
12:49	mircea_popescu	hardly a "fix"
12:49	mircea_popescu	mike_c no, it's really the baseline that's hidden from you because in california rents are what, 1300 minimum
12:49	mircea_popescu	so that scrunches up the curve.
12:50	mike_c	hah. 1300 would be awesome. i paid 2100 in CA.
12:50	mircea_popescu	you're still being taxed 50k for the priviledge of existing, it just shows up less in the %s
12:50	mircea_popescu	mike_c minimum, ya know ?
12:50	pankkake	is housing out of official inflation statistics?
12:50	mircea_popescu	pankkake obviously.
12:50	mike_c	whatever is inflating is removed from the inflation statistics.
12:51	Duffer1	hehe
12:51	peterL	yeah, housing and food are not included in CPI calculations, IIRC
12:51	mircea_popescu	i had not previously realised the us is on such a weak footing, tbh. i mean i had a general notion, but i never cared enough to examine the real estate situation.
12:51	pankkake	food isn't either? lol
12:51	mircea_popescu	not to mention you idiots - as there's no better name - still don't use torrens.
12:52	mircea_popescu	what in the actual fuck, is it 1785 in the us ?
12:52	Duffer1	torrents?
12:52	mircea_popescu	jesus.
12:52	pankkake	that's the two things that indeed have inflated big time in the last years
12:52	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 torrens is a title registration system
12:52	peterL	what's torrens?
12:52	mircea_popescu	which makes it quite feasible for me to buy up real estate personally
12:52	Duffer1	never heard of it
12:52	mircea_popescu	rather than having to hire some "experts"
12:52	mircea_popescu	to fucking fleece me.
12:53	mike_c	please. having to hire a lawyer, real estate agent, title company, escrow agent, etc, etc. is totally reasonable!
12:53	mircea_popescu	totally.
12:53	peterL	MP, I currently rent a house for about twice it would take to buy it with a mortgage, but because of my credit I cannot get a morgage to buy a house.
12:53	mircea_popescu	i never used ANYONE. not a real estate agent, title company or escrow. ever.
12:53	Duffer1	wouldn't matter even if we did use such a system, housing as you pointed out is is obscenely expensive
12:53	mircea_popescu	all i used was a half hour of notary public time, cost me ~35
12:54	Duffer1	add to that the 35year olds and under have less than zero wealth
12:54	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 it's only obscenely expensive BECAUSE of such restrictions
12:54	mircea_popescu	peterL yeah well, how much you paying and what's it worth ?
12:55	Duffer1	those agents take their fees on top of list price
12:55	Duffer1	remove them and list price is still the same
12:55	mircea_popescu	i never hired one.
12:55	peterL	I have not estimated exactly what a mortgage would cost for a while, but it is $1000 rent, house is maybe $90000
12:55	mircea_popescu	think, millionaire in the 3rd world, never used as much as a real estate agent.
12:55	mircea_popescu	peterL you're not getting gypped quite as bad as the average.
12:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.0601 = 0.2404 BTC [-]
12:56	mircea_popescu	which, incidentally, is one of the deep causes of us real estate bubbles, i am coming to realise.
12:56	mircea_popescu	it's not loose money policies that cause those, and loose money policies don't cause them in the eu.
12:56	mircea_popescu	it's the ingrained notion learned through experience by all us inhabitants that the more you pay the less you're gouged
12:56	peterL	My previous house sold for about $30000 and is renting for $900 a month
12:56	mircea_popescu	which is wrong, but they look at the percents.
12:57	mircea_popescu	on top of that, loose money bubbles the real estate. because they'd rather be the guy paying 1k for a 90k property
12:57	mircea_popescu	than the guy paying 700 for the 30k property.
12:57	mircea_popescu	obviously it's easier to inflate than to improve.
12:57	mircea_popescu	peterL EXACTLY.
12:59	mircea_popescu	quite frankly, i can not see how anyone'd put up with this arrangement.
12:59	peterL	let me guess, you were investigating "rentalStarter"?
12:59	mircea_popescu	peterL it started there.
12:59	peterL	care to share your thoughts on the business?
12:59	mircea_popescu	why, you know something i don't ?
12:59	Duffer1	land owners charge what they can, citizens with zero savings pay what they have to
13:00	Duffer1	rent goes up
13:00	mircea_popescu	the judgement of the business pivots on the judgement of the guy, as it's tghat small. he seems clever and dilligent but how do you ever know.
13:00	peterL	he should have listed on MPEX instead of BitFunder?
13:01	mike_c	it's turning btc into housing. i don't see how that will work out.
13:01	mike_c	it is a btc divestment.
13:01	mircea_popescu	mike_c well, it's going long fiat. there are situations where one'd want that.
13:01	mircea_popescu	take the x.eur, roughly same on that score.
13:02	mircea_popescu	you obviously wouldn't think of buying the thing otherwise than "buying an us future with a built in interest rate"
13:02	pankkake	it allows small real estate investments, where they are usually quite complicated (and taxed)
13:02	pankkake	and tradeable
13:02	mircea_popescu	pankkake that's the only reason this may make sense, the guy seems to know the situation on the ground
13:03	peterL	If you expect bitcoin to stabilize, then it could be a good way to invest in real estate.
13:03	mircea_popescu	or it could be a good way to run from btc if you consider it drops.
13:03	pankkake	I'm already invested in real estate, and I feel like I'm sitting on a bubble :D
13:03	mircea_popescu	just, not the usual "it's been 5 days, any updates ?" sort of "investing"
13:03	mircea_popescu	this requires more long term thinking.
13:04	peterL	OK, who wants to help me buy a house and I will pay rent in bitcoins?
13:04	mircea_popescu	pankkake unless there's a war, $30k detached housing in ohio CAN NOT be a bubble.
13:04	mircea_popescu	my mind farts when i consider this
13:04	mircea_popescu	a car costs more for fuck's sake.
13:04	pankkake	I'm not confortable investing in real estate where I don't know the market, too
13:04	mike_c	it will also never be worth much more.
13:05	mike_c	so, income stream, ok. good luck outpacing btc appreciation.
13:05	pankkake	but would you put 100% of your savings in bitcoin?
13:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
13:05	mircea_popescu	possibly not. who's to know ?
13:05	peterL	You want to see how low it can go, Detroit is not far from Ohio
13:05	mircea_popescu	peterL afaik ohio does not have the monoindustry problem
13:05	mike_c	hah. good point. they will pay you to take housing in detroit.
13:05	mircea_popescu	but obviously, before buying in one'd have to very seriously consider awhole host of things.
13:05	mircea_popescu	which is what investing is.
13:06	mircea_popescu	mike_c you know, california is going detroit before ohio is.
13:06	mike_c	yes. you have to start higher to crash that low.
13:06	mircea_popescu	ohio has flyover zone immunity. california has nothing, hollywood's dead and sillicon valley is losing it.
13:07	mircea_popescu	all it can come up with these days is a very thin sliver at the very top and a very wide base of ycombinator retards.
13:07	mike_c	and ycombinator is the thin silver on top of the 1000 yc copycats.
13:08	pankkake	it's the 2000s all over again
13:08	peterL	At least California has better weather than Ohio or Detroit
13:08	mircea_popescu	mike_c and they got nothing, all they have is css devels.
13:09	Duffer1	googling "torrens" in the u.s. gives nude photo results >.<
13:09	mircea_popescu	they're gonna revolutionize the way people do rounded corners.
13:09	pankkake	california has sluts / porn right?
13:09	peterL	MPEX say "CSS? What's that?"
13:09	pankkake	but it's mobile-first responsive css!
13:09	mike_c	that bubble has already started popping though. the "series A crunch" is the term for the million crappy startups that are dying.
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13:10	mircea_popescu	;;google torrens title
13:10	gribble	Torrens title - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrens_title>; Torrens Title System - Legal Dictionary - The Free Dictionary: <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Torrens+Title+System>; Torrens title register - Land and Property Information: <http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/public_registers/torrens_title_register>
13:10	mircea_popescu	mike_c ikr
13:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7000 @ 0.001 = 7 BTC
13:10	Duffer1	https://www.google.com/search?q=torrens&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qIe0UrHLOMTmoATk4oHQBQ&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1011&bih=657
13:10	Duffer1	nsfw
13:10	pankkake	at my ex-ex job I really wondered how all our stupid clients got their funding
13:10	pankkake	they all basically wanted to be the facebook-twitter of SOMETHING
13:11	pankkake	they had the most overcssed websites
13:11	pankkake	webpages that would belong in a magazine, not a browser
13:11	mircea_popescu	pankkake "useless stupid unwanted money that nobody knows what to do with"
13:11	pankkake	and no business plan obviously
13:11	mircea_popescu	to quote the sitll living classics.
13:12	pankkake	would be better invested in hookers and blow
13:13	Duffer1	or a one way plane ticket
13:13	the20year	I don't understand it either pankkake
13:14	the20year	They all want to rehash the same exact stuff, and yet they somehow get millions of dollars of funding
13:14	the20year	When I have a valid idea, one that's already profitable, and i'm having so much time
13:14	pankkake	I guess simple yet profitable ideas are not appealing to bored old men with too much money
13:15	the20year	Problem in Ohio is no one wants to develop rental property since it's a get rich slow scheme. Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase
13:17	the20year	Michigan doesn't have a monoindustry problem , Detroit has one though
13:17	nubbins`	hi
13:17	mircea_popescu	the20year is what i meant.
13:18	mircea_popescu	i don't imagine they were talking michigan when saying detroit.
13:18	the20year	Real estate can be very, very localized when talking about problems. I could give you a dozen markets in Michigan I'd love to be in
13:18	peterL	mircea_popescue: would MPEx list something like RentalStarter, or is that too removed from bitcoin investing?
13:18	pankkake	I hope what I did with my appartment - making it not look like moldy ass - will get it some price boost
13:18	the20year	and a dozen here in Ohio I don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole
13:18	mircea_popescu	peterL it might, depending. contrary to what forum muppets think mpex is quite open
13:19	mircea_popescu	if you got a business and a plan you got a shot.
13:19	peterL	oops, mircea_popescu, sorry, I always want to put an e on the end of your name :(
13:19	nubbins`	ah, the joys of home ownership
13:19	pankkake	eheh. I hope one day I'll be worthy of MPEx
13:19	nubbins`	i just spent $275 on a new circulating valve for our tenant's furnace
13:19	pankkake	first step would be get my hand out of my ass
13:19	the20year	I can buy a new furnace for $550 :D
13:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00090673 = 4.987 BTC [-] {2}
13:20	the20year	The one thign that helps us out on the upkeep is that we go through the house on purchase and essentially rebuild the whole thing
13:24	nubbins`	yeah
13:24	nubbins`	often gutting is the best option long-term
13:25	nubbins`	this pump that failed was an old pump that they re-used when the new furnace was put in
13:25	the20year	We don't completely gut , but anything that's close to its end of effective lifespan gets replaced
13:25	nubbins`	lasted all of 3 years
13:25	the20year	how old is hte furnace?
13:25	nubbins`	yeah
13:25	nubbins`	the furnace itself is maybe 4 years old
13:25	the20year	Oh wow
13:25	nubbins`	yeah
13:25	the20year	one option that I considered, but it just didn't work out for us was to buy a home warranty
13:25	nubbins`	just too costly to upgrade to electric heat
13:26	the20year	are you on gas?
13:26	nubbins`	oil
13:26	the20year	Ah, oil is by far the worst of the worst
13:26	the20year	highest efficientcy is 80% on a furnace, most are 60%-70%
13:27	nubbins`	nod. this one is actually a hot water circulating furnace
13:27	mircea_popescu	Real estate development can return several milion dollars in just a 9 month development phase << i know a guy that blew up a fortune trying and failing at that.
13:27	nubbins`	more of an ebb-and-flow than an instant-heat sort of system
13:27	mircea_popescu	it's a fucking movie script of a story
13:27	the20year	i'm not too familiar with all the types of oil ones
13:27	the20year	mircea_popescu: plenty fail
13:28	the20year	The saying when I got into real estate was "Make money in wheelbarrow fulls, loose money in dumptruckfulls"
13:28	nubbins`	the20year: basically it's a standard oil furnace, but instead of heating air and pumping it through vents, it heats a large water reservoir that is then circulated throughout the house to radiators
13:28	mircea_popescu	and the us does niot have an inflation problem
13:28	the20year	Even worse
13:28	the20year	I've seen one radiant water heater manage to destroy about $15,000 worth of flooring
13:28	mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's how most europe is heated, except natural gas not oil.
13:28	the20year	natural gas in the US is very, very efficient and cheap
13:28	mircea_popescu	the20year wall attachments are standard.
13:28	nubbins`	it's not a bad system, because you retain the heat after the furnace stops firing
13:29	mircea_popescu	and the bathroom heated towel rack.
13:29	mircea_popescu	the20year same all over the world.
13:29	the20year	Yeah, but the water part is the problem. Using a high flash point oil is much better
13:29	the20year	I pay about $80/mo in the winter to heat my home
13:29	nubbins`	and the cold water going to the water boiler for the faucets/shower gets pre-warmed by the waste heat from the furnace, so that helps
13:29	mircea_popescu	about the same here.
13:29	mircea_popescu	you know, amusingly, most us folk i know think romania is a sort of ohio.
13:29	nubbins`	but oil is just expensive. no sweat to drop $450+ a month in the winter
13:29	the20year	Yeah
13:30	the20year	I'd much, much rather be on wood than oilk
13:30	nubbins`	yeah
13:30	nubbins`	i'd fucking LOVE a wood stove
13:30	nubbins`	but downtown st john's is all 100-year old wooden row houses
13:30	mircea_popescu	last i checked wood here was ~$22 a stere meter.
13:30	the20year	how so mircea_popescu? The Ohioans I know that have been there said it was nothing like Ohio in terms of society or economy......maybe the land is similar
13:30	nubbins`	and as much as i'd love wood, i'd love to continue having home insurance even more
13:30	mircea_popescu	the20year climate :)
13:30	the20year	Growing up we always got wood for free
13:30	the20year	Climate I'm sure is similar
13:31	the20year	Past 6 years has had mild winters, but this winter has been the worst in 20 years
13:31	the20year	and we're not to the 'real winter' part of it
13:31	mircea_popescu	romania had that last yearl ol.
13:31	nubbins`	$80/mo is fucking great to heat a home
13:31	mircea_popescu	lemme dig some picks
13:31	nubbins`	what size are we talking here?
13:31	the20year	Sure it is nubbins`
13:31	the20year	1100sf
13:31	nubbins`	ah
13:31	the20year	@ 70f winterlong
13:32	the20year	if we pulled it back to 65 or so i bet we could do it for $50/mo
13:32	nubbins`	this place is around 1600sqft, split over 4 levels. average elec bill is $230/mo
13:32	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/a-nins-a-nins/
13:32	ozbot	A nins ? A nins pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:32	mircea_popescu	there we go.
13:32	mircea_popescu	;;google 1600 sqft in sane units of measurement.
13:32	gribble	Metric 4 US - Why Metric is the Better System: <http://www.metric4us.com/why.html>; Units: S - The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: <http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictS.html>; Millennium Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Force>
13:33	nubbins`	that's heat, appliances
13:33	mircea_popescu	sigh. no ai yet, eh google ?
13:33	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: consider that canada is ostensibly metric and i don't know the square metrage of my house
13:33	mircea_popescu	~150.
13:33	the20year	who's the naked lady?
13:33	mircea_popescu	kinda crampy. i have a 220 sq m ground + 170 2nd floor here.
13:33	mircea_popescu	the20year my dog.
13:34	mircea_popescu	well, was. moved on, got married.
13:34	mircea_popescu	i guess now she's someone's mom.
13:34	nubbins`	yeah, i can spit from wall to wall here
13:35	nubbins`	it's nice for shared living tho, sound doesn't travel well between floors
13:36	the20year	So are you located in romania mircea_popescu?
13:36	mircea_popescu	nubbins` also keeps people well exercised, with all the floors
13:36	mircea_popescu	the20year atm yeah
13:37	asciilifeform	i might be the 'submarine' champ here. 32 sq. m.
13:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8354 @ 0.00090613 = 7.5698 BTC [-]
13:39	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: nod, the "studio" is split between the 3rd floor and the basement. sometimes finding your pencil is a workout
13:39	nubbins`	the20year: are you the guy from the forums who was looking into buying rental properties in halifax?
13:39	nubbins`	or was that someone else
13:39	the20year	not me
13:40	nubbins`	okay, i think he was doing similar to you but in canada
13:41	the20year	once i released info on what i wanted to do, like 20 people copied it
13:41	the20year	Another guy in Ohio, one in Detroit, one in alberta, one in NS , one in scottland
13:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02245589 = 2.2456 BTC [+] {3}
13:48	pankkake	asciilifeform: 32m² here too. though I have a big ass cellar
13:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2594 @ 0.00012 = 0.3113 BTC [+] {2}
13:50	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wow, that's russian style.
13:50	mircea_popescu	the20year i wouldn't be too worried about that if i were you.
13:51	mircea_popescu	pankkake fun fact : the one room, high 20s to low 30s sqm thing is called "garsoniera" in romania, comes from garcon.
13:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29486997 = 2.0641 BTC [+] {3}
13:52	asciilifeform	u.s.ian analogue 'man cave' ?
13:52	mircea_popescu	i guess so
13:52	the20year	i'm not worried since i was the first one in
13:52	mircea_popescu	it has no derrogatory nuance here tho
13:53	pankkake	well we have the garçonnière. the place where married men fuck other women
13:53	mircea_popescu	the20year copycats have this magical way to a) fail and b) do all the expensive dangerous research for you.
13:53	mircea_popescu	pankkake so that'd be a filletiere.
13:53	mircea_popescu	pronounced filthy-'ere
13:54	jurov	it's named so there as well
13:55	pankkake	"imitation is the most sincere form of flattery"
13:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+]
13:56	mircea_popescu	i now wonder what the french word for the place where married men fuck other men would be.
13:57	pankkake	folletière
13:57	ThickAsThieves	monsieuriere
13:57	mircea_popescu	hahaha i like monsieuriere
13:57	mircea_popescu	that's where catholic priests fuck your children.
13:58	ThickAsThieves	fellatiere
13:58	mircea_popescu	hahaha
13:59	ThickAsThieves	its got fella and fellate
13:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04878997 = 1.1222 BTC [+]
13:59	ThickAsThieves	cant beat that
13:59	mircea_popescu	gentlemen, i am glad we've assembled such a crack team of creative linguists on this venue.
13:59	ThickAsThieves	its better than the sexting word they made
14:00	mircea_popescu	by the way, has the "hate speech" crowd managed to make crack a hurtful reference in gay contexts yet ?
14:00	ThickAsThieves	textopornographie
14:00	ThickAsThieves	sounds like an Extreme album
14:00	mircea_popescu	TPG!
14:00	mircea_popescu	tghe french invented this initialism bs which then the us army/govt copied
14:00	mircea_popescu	as they've copied all the bad ideas the french ever had since about 1905
14:00	mircea_popescu	1805*
14:01	jurov	merde!
14:01	pankkake	initialism is mostly our administration
14:01	the20year	who?
14:02	pankkake	where they invent stuff that must have a good initialism. like EDVIGE (sounds like Edwige the female name) for the police spy file
14:03	pankkake	"Exploitation documentaire et valorisation de l'information générale" basically means "Data Stuff"
14:03	mircea_popescu	lol
14:04	mircea_popescu	it basically means "word soup"
14:04	mircea_popescu	and how is edvige a "good" anything. it fails to be an obscure female name.
14:04	truffles	what kinda frenchman takes it from a Romanian !
14:06	pankkake	EDVIGE is arguably better than SRTRKRTS because you can pronounce it
14:06	mircea_popescu	you can pronounce the latter "skirts"
14:07	pankkake	after all, people manage to pronounce SCSI…
14:07	mircea_popescu	which sounds a lot like the romanian "scirt," which means "big whoop" which as stephen fry would put it, works.
14:07	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: ah, those are called bachelor pads here
14:07	nubbins`	re: tiny homes
14:07	mircea_popescu	i thought re catholic priests.
14:07	the20year	One of my biz associates said there's a few RE investment firms looking to expand and want to talk to me
14:07	nubbins`	heh
14:08	the20year	They're all in limited geographic areas and don't want to branch out, which is one of the problems i'm trying to mitigate early on
14:08	mircea_popescu	so that;s good.
14:08	the20year	Yep
14:10	mircea_popescu	.d
14:10	ozbot	908350862.43702 \| Next Diff in 90 blocks \| Estimated Change: 31.0535% in 0d 10h 13m 39s
14:11	the20year	ouch
14:11	mircea_popescu	nothing can save it nao.
14:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2119 @ 0.00012 = 0.2543 BTC [+]
14:12	pankkake	probably santa mining with the gifts
14:12	KRS\|Gotyawallet	see the mtgox press release dec 19?
14:13	the20year	no?
14:13	KRS\|Gotyawallet	Now that we are working with MoneyPolo, a leading financial company that is in-tune with the future of Bitcoin, anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies.
14:13	KRS\|Gotyawallet	https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20131219.html
14:13	ozbot	Mt.Gox - Bitcoin Exchange
14:13	the20year	wow
14:13	KRS\|Gotyawallet	yeh
14:13	KRS\|Gotyawallet	...then they're like BAM!
14:13	mircea_popescu	send money TO wasnt ever a problem
14:13	KRS\|Gotyawallet	oh it was getting it out
14:13	mircea_popescu	and moneypolo is "leading" in the very limited universe in which mtgox also matters.
14:14	KRS\|Gotyawallet	well...mt gox isn't designed like that. Between bad trades, fees are supposed to eat up your moneies anyway so getting fiat out isnt a problem.
14:14	KRS\|Gotyawallet	I would think it should work both ways though.
14:14	asciilifeform	same universe that 'dwolla' existed in?
14:14	mircea_popescu	dwolla is about a degree of magnitude larger
14:15	mircea_popescu	sure, it's a tiny start-up, but still.
14:15	asciilifeform	(i still can't read 'dwolla' without thinking of nigerian spam. must be the consonant cluster.)
14:15	KRS\|Gotyawallet	A: Withdrawals are coming with MoneyPolo, but not just yet.
14:15	the20year	is moneypolo licensed in the US/
14:15	mircea_popescu	KRS\|Gotyawallet :p
14:15	nubbins`	<pankkake> probably santa mining with the gifts <<< lel, isn't that bad for his chi?
14:15	mircea_popescu	if you've learned anything in this chan, it's reading betwixt the lines
14:15	pankkake	"we need to replete our fractionnal reserve first"
14:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i think they named it african-sounding deliberately because sexually insecure california white hipster doofuses.
14:16	mircea_popescu	either that or someone got stuck on wala-wala.
14:17	mircea_popescu	(a small town hipster retreat close to seattle)
14:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 40661 @ 0.001 = 40.661 BTC
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14:34	ThickAsThieves	neobee shareholders are surprisingly good at signing wallet messages
14:35	ThickAsThieves	and there is definitely a correlation to qty of shares held
14:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
14:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00090757 = 6.4955 BTC [+]
14:42	benkay	what's alt-hopping pool of auto-cashing-out-in-btc repute?
14:44	KRS\|Gotyawallet	mining different alt coins to capitalize on their value in hopes of trading up to more btc than otherwise would be mined directly?
14:45	KRS\|Gotyawallet	i can quickly point my asics to mine different alt coins based on their profitability and go back if need be..auto cash out at preset levels
14:47	mircea_popescu	benkay i don't think one exists, tho there'd make defionite sense
14:47	TomServo	middlecoin?
14:47	benkay	that's it.
14:48	benkay	thanks TomServo.
14:48	mircea_popescu	one coin to rule them all or how did it go
14:48	TomServo	been going crazy lately
14:50	mircea_popescu	tbh i thought middlecoin was a coin not a pool
14:50	TomServo	nope
14:51	TomServo	I read somewhere earlier today the operator is doing something like $6K daily on 3%, if I remember correctly
14:52	mircea_popescu	there's a pool charging 3% which actually gets hash ?! wow.
14:52	TomServo	paid out 3208.42671599 BTC so far
14:53	mircea_popescu	pretty smart thing, anyway.
14:53	mircea_popescu	who's the guy ?
14:53	TomServo	h2odysee or something like that?
14:53	mircea_popescu	myeah. ok, this is an example of starting up right. joined in may 2013, by july he had a useful service.
14:54	mircea_popescu	kudos to him.
14:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.001 = 0.203 BTC
14:56	TomServo	agreed. Definitely some secret sauce involved, choosing whichever alt is the best at the time
14:56	TomServo	folks claim he made a killing on doge, but won't admit it
14:56	TomServo	hah
14:56	mircea_popescu	folks like to think their stupidity is what makes the world turn.
14:57	mircea_popescu	and won't face any alternative explanation.
14:57	mircea_popescu	anyway, if his stats are accurate 3k paid out means he made 100 btc.
14:58	mircea_popescu	6k a day, but for two weeks.
14:58	TomServo	Yes, the 6k is a very recent thing
14:58	mircea_popescu	more like 500 a day irl, not that such a thing is bad
14:58	TomServo	You see the graph?
14:58	TomServo	middlecoin.com
14:58	mircea_popescu	yeah.
14:59	mircea_popescu	just forcing the point that "6k one day" != "6k a day"
14:59	TomServo	a fair point, I wasn't intending to misconstrue
15:00	mircea_popescu	this reminds me of the good days of porn
15:01	mircea_popescu	cca 1995 or so
15:01	the20year	For webmasters or what?
15:01	mircea_popescu	for "guy starts service, 3 months later he's making 500 a day"
15:03	mircea_popescu	just out of nowhere, like that. basically electricity is about as ubiquitous as cunt, and i guess crypto is electricity porn
15:03	mircea_popescu	weird how geek tastes change.
15:03	FabianB_	"anyone with a verified account will be able to quickly send money to their MtGox account via 128 global currencies." <-- 128 currencies? I only see 4 countries moneypolo operates in, how could that be 128 currencies?
15:04	mircea_popescu	FabianB_ max halfshortint ?
15:04	mircea_popescu	aka mtgox-pr
15:04	FabianB_	guess so
15:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00091096 = 34.4343 BTC [+] {4}
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15:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00091394 = 7.4029 BTC [+]
15:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7750 @ 0.00012 = 0.93 BTC [+]
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15:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.002799 = 0.1847 BTC [+] {3}
15:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3161 @ 0.00012 = 0.3793 BTC [+]
16:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 341 @ 0.00090757 = 0.3095 BTC [-]
16:03	jcpham	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1tcgox/my_first_month_of_bitcoin_the_good_the_bad_and/
16:03	jcpham	1 month pro
16:03	mircea_popescu	lol
16:03	ThickAsThieves	http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/12/canada-lifts-all-restrictions-prostitution-2013122015318412319.html
16:03	ozbot	Canada lifts all restrictions on prostitution - Americas - Al Jazeera English
16:04	ThickAsThieves	Nubbins can work in peace now!
16:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.04878997 = 1.3173 BTC [+]
16:04	mircea_popescu	lolwut?
16:04	mircea_popescu	canada is starting to sound pretty ocol.
16:08	ThickAsThieves	"Only day trade with what you are willing to lose completely."
16:08	ThickAsThieves	pretty horrible day trading
16:11	jcpham	there's much wrong there
16:12	asciilifeform	children - like playing with matches. news at 11...
16:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12424 @ 0.00090592 = 11.2552 BTC [-]
16:18	ThickAsThieves	only eat what you are willing to shit completely
16:18	mircea_popescu	lmao
16:18	asciilifeform	no
16:18	asciilifeform	in this case,
16:18	asciilifeform	'only shit what you are willing to then eat.'
16:19	mircea_popescu	mor like only shit what you've completely eaten, uyeah
16:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7253 @ 0.00090592 = 6.5706 BTC [-]
16:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5832 @ 0.00090445 = 5.2748 BTC [-]
16:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.04878997 = 3.5617 BTC [-]
16:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.02021217 = 2.0212 BTC [-] {9}
16:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 93 @ 0.00280075 = 0.2605 BTC [-] {2}
16:34	ThickAsThieves	Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal also weighed in: "I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended."
16:34	ThickAsThieves	http://gawker.com/what-is-duck-dynasty-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-a-1486356857
16:34	ozbot	What Is Duck Dynasty and What Does It Have to Do With a Man's Anus?
16:36	Duffer1	i only knew about it from all the damned facebook spam "ZOMG ITS AND OUTRAGE LIBRUL MEDIA INTELIGENTSIA!!!!1111111"
16:37	mircea_popescu	it's the perfect storm for the us, really.
16:37	mircea_popescu	top rated show star gets canned for "hate speech" while quoting the bible.
16:37	Duffer1	i die a little inside every day :/
16:37	mircea_popescu	it's finally worked itself into the perfect storm, this deep seething conflict.
16:39	mircea_popescu	a perfect illustration of the incredible damage lincoln's imbecillity did to that country.
16:39	the20year	what imbecillity?
16:39	Duffer1	after the civil war we should have just let the south separate
16:39	mircea_popescu	if the slavery question were allowed to die out rather than used as a pretext for a war, you wouldn't still be fighting over the mason-dixon line in 2013 ffs.
16:40	the20year	certainly would have been a very interesting situation
16:40	mircea_popescu	it's my considered opinion that if you make the sorted list of people that have hurt the us, lincoln tops it
16:40	mircea_popescu	bush may be in the top 5, but lincoln tops it.
16:41	TomServo	Can we hear all 5?
16:41	the20year	It can be hard to speculate how different things would be if we could swap decisions out
16:41	Duffer1	the harm done by lincoln was necessary imo, even if slavery was one of many reasons for the war, emancipation still needed to occur
16:41	TomServo	Yeah, I'm having trouble imagining how the question would 'die out'
16:42	the20year	There could of potentially been a slow transition
16:42	mircea_popescu	TomServo roosevelt probably not in there, as shocking as that may seem. hoover for sure tho.
16:42	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 emancipation was occuring anyway.
16:42	the20year	how do you rate hoover over FDR?
16:42	mircea_popescu	hardly half the inheritors of slaves intended to keep them past the death of their parents.
16:43	mircea_popescu	the20year that's a huge discussion tbh
16:43	mircea_popescu	TomServo because slavery was fundamentally an economic interest, and it is economically ineffectual. it WAS already dieing out at the time of the war
16:44	mircea_popescu	however, it was dieing out in a sustainable way, rather than creating the black ghettos that the war created.
16:44	Duffer1	even if they didn't intend to keep them, southern laws forbade their existence outside of any context that didn't revolve around a white master
16:44	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 slavery laws in the south were evolving, like any body of laws.
16:44	mircea_popescu	if you look at their evolution, the thing was doomed anwyay.
16:45	the20year	And slavery today isn't very popular at all , outside of sexual slavery which is a whole other ballgame
16:45	Duffer1	slavery laws weren't modernized until the 50's and 60s, i believe you're underestimating southern racism
16:45	the20year	And it's not like slavery was only existant in the US, as with anything ,money drives the gears
16:45	the20year	Duffer1: do you live in the south?
16:45	Duffer1	i grew up in texas
16:45	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 souther racism as you know it today is wholly the creation of the war.
16:46	mircea_popescu	it was entirely a different thing in 1820.
16:46	the20year	The thing is , of all the souterners i Know , none really were racist, but i've known plenty of ohio natives that were extremely racist. Heck my great uncle was in the KKK
16:46	mircea_popescu	in fact, pre-war southern racism is closest to modern day view on criminality.
16:47	mircea_popescu	you could argue that the way criminals are handled today is chiefly designed to keep them criminals
16:47	the20year	That's about right
16:47	mircea_popescu	nevertheless, people don't generally intend this.
16:47	Duffer1	they do
16:47	mircea_popescu	but the southerner recognised an extremely varied and complex hierarchy. black = slave = chattel is about as oversimplified as one can get.
16:48	Duffer1	it's a for-profit prison system
16:48	mircea_popescu	yeah, well.
16:48	mircea_popescu	so what's the gain of the war ? picked a different nigger to pile on ?
16:48	mircea_popescu	criminals "just happen" to be mostly black anyway, hooray for progress.
16:48	the20year	I'm not aware of any gain
16:48	TomServo	how was it economically ineffectual?
16:49	mircea_popescu	TomServo you get more gdp per capita out of 100 barristas trying to write hollywood scripts
16:49	mircea_popescu	than out of 100 field hands picking cotton.
16:49	the20year	Correct
16:49	Duffer1	the only gain from the war was emancipation, poverty was guaranteed regardless, except for those that left
16:49	the20year	Slaves were extremely ineffective at work, however a 'free' black was significantly more valuable
16:50	the20year	Look at price rates for irish vs germans vs blacks in new york state in the 1800s
16:50	TomServo	I knew I'd be displaying my ignorance asking that, ah well. Thanks.
16:51	the20year	It's a wonderful system we have here
16:51	the20year	While the rights of everyone gets trampled on over failed social projects
16:51	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 poverty was NOT guarantgeed regardless.
16:51	mircea_popescu	this is like saying famine in 1950s germany was guaranteed regardless.
16:51	mircea_popescu	when you go bomb the shit out of the infrastructure the end result is you'll be poor.
16:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04878997 = 1.4637 BTC [-]
16:52	Duffer1	it was illegal for them to own anything
16:52	mircea_popescu	that varied.
16:52	mircea_popescu	you familiar with the expression "sold down the river" ?
16:52	Duffer1	even if they stayed they were fully dependent
16:53	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 ^
16:54	the20year	Not all of them
16:54	Duffer1	i've heard the expression
16:54	mircea_popescu	what do you think it means ?
16:55	Duffer1	sold to a harsher plantation owner
16:55	mircea_popescu	exactly. but looky : it is an act of betrayal, fundamentally.]
16:56	mircea_popescu	for there to be betrayal there must be trust. trust is the substance of contracts, which is exactly antithetical to how black-white relations are customarioly represented.
16:56	mircea_popescu	it is in fact the way the whites of the time represented them to themselves, mostly.
16:56	mircea_popescu	and now, the fact that upriver conditions are softer and downriver harser kind of proves that the situation is in fact evolving
16:56	mircea_popescu	rather than a set in stone thing.
16:56	mircea_popescu	which is the whole of my argument really.
16:59	Duffer1	i dunno, i feel it's a case of a little leaven fermenting the whole lump
17:00	mircea_popescu	perhaps.
17:00	the20year	With regards to racism?
17:01	mircea_popescu	on the other hand saying that the civil war the direct result of the southerner's staunch opposition to high taxes and unsound money coming into conflict with lincoln's vision of a leviathanesque all-controlling state.
17:01	mircea_popescu	that vision has meanwhile been realised, and unsurprising anyone with a clue, you mostly don't like it.
17:02	ThickAsThieves	i think most americans are more apathetic than that
17:02	the20year	There was a pretty interesting quote made by a southern general after the war, i need to dig it up, being just about that. And that over time the civil war would be made about slavery and nothing else
17:02	mircea_popescu	perhaps.
17:02	mircea_popescu	the20year nothing new in this world except the history you never read and all that.
17:02	mircea_popescu	obviously the statal propaganda machine will have tried to make it all about a simple, cut and dried issue.
17:03	mircea_popescu	the soviet's (failed) invasion in afghanistan was also about greater justice.
17:03	Duffer1	macro economics isn't as eye catching as the horrors of slavery
17:03	the20year	Essentially his quote was that he, nor anyone he knew in the south fought for slavery, but against federalism. And that it would be replaced with slavery as time went on since education in the south would likely be federalized by notherners
17:04	mircea_popescu	basically obama's ideas that he can arrest anyone at any time for any rteason ?
17:04	mircea_popescu	it has ample precedent. that precedent is the government of lincoln.
17:04	Duffer1	or bush as a more modern example :P
17:04	mircea_popescu	not any sort of country anyone'd wish to live in, but then again people living in shitholes rarely get the choice.
17:06	the20year	19th century history is pretty simplified too, for public consumption
17:06	the20year	(With war leadups being my complaint) as far as it is in US schools
17:06	the20year	granted, i was taught in school that the civil war was bout states rights and money :D
17:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
17:07	Duffer1	they claimed "states rights" meanwhile they were trying to unite the south in its own federal control and mandate a single religion
17:08	Duffer1	they didn't want states rights, they wanted the north to stop telling them what to do
17:12	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 arguably this may have been the case.
17:13	mircea_popescu	had it been the case i'd have perhaps had a different name to top my list
17:13	mircea_popescu	but as it is, lincoln carries it.
17:14	mircea_popescu	but obviously no conflict in human history was between the good and the evil. even if no conflict in human history failed being depicted as such. by both sides, of course.
17:15	Duffer1	i think lincoln is a good choice, the damage done is undeniable
17:15	Duffer1	he was even deporting reporters to canada
17:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00090502 = 4.7061 BTC [+]
17:17	Duffer1	the precedent set the stage for massive constitutional overreach
17:17	mircea_popescu	that's a machine that's still slapping people today.
17:17	Duffer1	yep :/
17:18	the20year	So, why hoover?
17:19	mircea_popescu	hoover because he's to this day the prototype of every corrupt cop going into the service to feel up young women and beat up boys.
17:19	mircea_popescu	name one sane thing he did.
17:19	Duffer1	herbert?
17:19	mircea_popescu	j edgar
17:19	Duffer1	seems j edgar fits that definition way better
17:20	the20year	I thought you were talking about herbert, as edgar wasn't president
17:20	Duffer1	arguably more powerful though
17:20	mircea_popescu	it doesn't have to be presidents does it ?
17:20	Duffer1	dude was pure evil
17:20	the20year	Not that I like herbert, he's on my top bad president list
17:20	the20year	i assumed the list was US presidents
17:21	mircea_popescu	i dunno, seems kind-of not-notable, herbert.
17:21	the20year	Smoot hawley is why I don't like him
17:21	mircea_popescu	the20year no, i said "people"
17:21	the20year	Which destroyed the potential legacy of coolidge
17:21	the20year	ah
17:21	the20year	in the US or worldwide?
17:21	the20year	because no US citizen would take my top 5 bad people list
17:21	mircea_popescu	people.
17:22	mircea_popescu	as long as they're people dun matter where they're born or what function they get.
17:22	the20year	So you'd take lincoln over pol pot?
17:22	mircea_popescu	how's pol pot hurt the us ?
17:22	mircea_popescu	in general you'll find most damaging are the insiders, not the outsiders.
17:22	mircea_popescu	admittedly exceptions can exist, but still.
17:22	the20year	Guess I was confused as to the list
17:23	Duffer1	american assholes, top 5 :P
17:23	mircea_popescu	it's not "bad presidents", it's "people that hurt the us"
17:23	the20year	Nevermind, list of people who have hurt the uS
17:24	mircea_popescu	making a list of "bad" people generally is really an exercise in measuring the weight of air, in air, with a scale and weights made out of air.
17:24	mircea_popescu	cloudwatching, basically.
17:24	Duffer1	hehe
17:25	mircea_popescu	pt barnum might be on the top 10.
17:26	Duffer1	oo interesting
17:26	Duffer1	without the circus the bread isn't enough?
17:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1691 @ 0.00012 = 0.2029 BTC [+]
17:27	mircea_popescu	well, i have some respect for the variety tradition, but barnum is a sort of paul little without a cause.
17:28	jurov	what about oprah winfrey?
17:28	mircea_popescu	possibly us entertainment sucks so bad to this day because him.
17:28	mircea_popescu	jurov well i don't include live people.
17:29	mircea_popescu	(paul little = max hardcore, the cheap makeup and vomit porn guy)
17:29	mike_c	who are the top 5 people who hurt romania?
17:29	mircea_popescu	carol the 2nd definitely tops that.
17:30	the20year	And top 5 for france?
17:30	mircea_popescu	stalin, hitler... small country in europe whadda ya want.
17:30	Duffer1	;;wikipedia carol the second
17:30	gribble	Error: "wikipedia" is not a valid command.
17:30	mike_c	hehe carol: Known more for his romantic misadventures than for any leadership skills,
17:30	mircea_popescu	guy was an outrage.
17:31	mircea_popescu	france got hurt bad by hitler, perhaps worse by wilhelm,
17:32	mircea_popescu	the schmuck that joan of arc wanted on the throne ain't so good either, and then with the 1789 revolutions you got plenty of nutty socialists to pick from
17:32	the20year	Petan?
17:32	mircea_popescu	i dunno, top 100 maybe.
17:32	mircea_popescu	why's he notable ?
17:32	mircea_popescu	(petain you mean, the vichy guy ?)
17:32	the20year	vichy
17:33	mircea_popescu	you know before vichy he was the one guy in the top brass that objected to their nutty "infantry charge" tactics
17:33	mircea_popescu	on thegrounds that well... bullets kill.
17:35	pankkake	not sure about Petain himself, but the Vichy gov started a lot of shit that are still going on today
17:35	mircea_popescu	(since we're doing this : guy kept fucking around, and eventually married, aged 60. the woman's name was hardon)
17:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25020 @ 0.00012 = 3.0024 BTC [+]
17:37	mircea_popescu	mike_c guy's father, carol 1st however, is probably the model monarch.
17:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7740 @ 0.00090445 = 7.0004 BTC [-]
17:37	pankkake	many forms of unique IDs, the ponzi retirement system, minimum wage, daylight savings, mother's day
17:38	mircea_popescu	bah, father. wasn't his father, they were barely related, nm me.
17:38	mircea_popescu	pankkake the ponzi retirement system was invented by von bismarck.
17:38	mircea_popescu	his idea was that people will have incentive to keep killing each other so as to avoid ponzi effects.
17:39	pankkake	the fun thing is that those things are usually claimed as own "victories" from the left!
17:39	the20year	Of course they are
17:40	mircea_popescu	you get better anal sex when the girl regards taking it in the ass as her own, personal victory.
17:40	asciilifeform	'ponzi retirement' had ample precedent: 'Tontine.'
17:40	pankkake	though right after the war he had the healthcare thanks to communists
17:40	mircea_popescu	kinda why porn is so important. makes sex better for everyone.
17:40	asciilifeform	tontine <- 16th c.?
17:40	pankkake	does tontine work with debt?
17:40	pankkake	I thought it was just a pot
17:41	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform fun fact : "tont" is one of the many ways to say dumb in romanian.
17:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00090502 = 5.8826 BTC [+]
17:44	the20year	mircea_popescu: if we released rentalstarter to mpex, how much funding do yo uthink we could raise?
17:44	mircea_popescu	i don't think god himself can answer that.
17:45	mircea_popescu	s.nsa raised ~500 btc, if memory serves. s.mg ~10k. s.dice about 50k or so. s.bvps if i recall correctly about 100
17:45	Duffer1	do you have a target 20?
17:46	the20year	Depends on terms, i'd love to raise more capital via shares, as long as I can keep some equity in it, but i'd prefer just standard bank leverage
17:46	the20year	If more shares and i get to keep equity, around $100k USD
17:46	mircea_popescu	you'll definitely be keepiong a 50% stake.
17:46	the20year	That's good to hear :D
17:46	mircea_popescu	well you have to, the way the contracts are made
17:47	mircea_popescu	(mpex shares are non voting. as a result, the operator has to maintain majority)
17:47	the20year	Right now the way it's written if we can hit $250k in capital, I get a performance bonus
17:47	mike_c	a performance bonus for raising capital?
17:47	mircea_popescu	that seems odd.
17:47	mircea_popescu	is it mostly your friends and family backing you so far ?
17:47	the20year	$250k based on the initial investment of $92k , or a total growth of 271%
17:48	mikaeldice	Increased investment isn't growth
17:48	the20year	I meant capital growth in terms of equity/assets in the company
17:48	mircea_popescu	normal talk makes producers walk...
17:48	the20year	lol
17:49	the20year	in other words i shouldn't be typing when i'm doing 5 other things and not paying attention to what goes on IRC
17:49	pizzaman1337	any person that wants to list on mpex first needs to pay the registration fee, right?
17:49	mircea_popescu	irc is your life. you will honor it as if it iwere your life.
17:49	mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 there's fees to list, yes.
17:49	the20year	and blood oaths
17:49	pizzaman1337	different from the registration fee? how much is it?
17:50	mircea_popescu	there's not an "it", this isn't aluminum siding.
17:50	Duffer1	;;google mpex list fee
17:50	gribble	Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108>; English - MPEx: <http://mpex.co/faq.html>; MPEx - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx>
17:50	mircea_popescu	bwahaha asciilifeform look at that! you're now an authority!
17:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00012 = 0.3 BTC [+]
17:53	pankkake	only because trilema is banned?
17:53	benkay	mircea_popescu: what is the listing fee?
17:53	mircea_popescu	o it is ?
17:53	mircea_popescu	benkay there isn't a fixed fee. you negotiate it when you list.
17:54	benkay	ah.
17:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.02240347 = 0.8961 BTC [+] {5}
17:56	KRS\|Gotyawallet	i'd wait til it goes on sale to list
17:57	mircea_popescu	ya, that strategy worked great for the ppl wanting accounts :D
17:57	KRS\|Gotyawallet	lol
17:57	mircea_popescu	i stgill have mail going "whatg, 500 dollars for a seat ?! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! HOW DARE YOU!!!"
17:57	KRS\|Gotyawallet	i heard once a year there are complimentary seat offers
17:58	KRS\|Gotyawallet	lol still
17:58	mircea_popescu	yeah, bring 6 friends get yours free.
17:58	KRS\|Gotyawallet	so if i buy 6 seats i can resell 7 thats tight
17:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 943 @ 0.00279898 = 2.6394 BTC [-] {3}
17:59	Duffer1	ha
18:01	KRS\|Gotyawallet	theres actually decent volume..just need to work on the graphics a bit :D
18:01	mike_c	wow that link on ascii dissecting mpex. I guess a few things have changed since february.
18:02	KRS\|Gotyawallet	im retro like that, i dig ascii too..nothing like simplicity.
18:05	mircea_popescu	io dun even recall waht it says. is it bad ?
18:05	mike_c	not really bad. but conclusion is that he's not plunking any money down on mpex. now he has a company listed there.
18:06	mircea_popescu	lol
18:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.001 = 0.4 BTC
18:06	mircea_popescu	jurov : pr! check it out.
18:10	asciilifeform	http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220
18:10	ozbot	Exclusive: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer
18:13	mircea_popescu	ha!
18:13	asciilifeform	the only real news here is the actual cash value of one particular bribe.
18:14	mircea_popescu	rsa sold out fort 10mn
18:14	Duffer1	i wonder if that makes rsa legally vulnerable to fraud suites
18:14	mircea_popescu	chjeap.
18:14	asciilifeform	to be fair, we see the carrot, but not the stick.
18:14	asciilifeform	'execs can also have problems. and here, have $10m.' is rather more humane than 'execs can also have problems. get down on yer knees, ready to please.'
18:15	mircea_popescu	selling s.nsa shares.
18:15	mircea_popescu	will take three us govt brass daughters per.
18:15	mircea_popescu	if twins or dungeon broken, 2 per.
18:15	Duffer1	dungeon broken?
18:16	asciilifeform	3.5 if they can run a reflow line.
18:16	Duffer1	i think i'm too young to hear that one
18:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.06210002 = 0.1863 BTC [+]
18:18	mircea_popescu	like housebroken, but for the other kind of pets.
18:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no see, if they can run a reflow line they get to sit at the table with the adults.
18:19	Duffer1	ohh i thought it was a euphemism for.. well n/m
18:21	Duffer1	tell us how long it takes before nsa contacts you
18:21	Duffer1	about changing gpg to something less secure
18:21	mircea_popescu	herp.
18:21	mircea_popescu	they'll have to come beg here, like everyone else.
18:21	asciilifeform	nsa did write me a letter once: 'dear mr. s, we regret to inform you that we have no openings matching your..... '
18:22	mircea_popescu	so if you see a lot of "plz to change gpg it is hard to use" you can guess it's them.
18:23	Duffer1	does s.nsa have any marketing budget? / plans to set up shop at security conferences etc?
18:23	mircea_popescu	yes / maybe if we find a good outsourcer.
18:25	benkay	outsourced person to do conference show-upping?
18:26	mike_c	outsourcing evangelism is tough for such a technical product.
18:27	mike_c	anybody qualified would be expensive!
18:27	Duffer1	cardano seems pretty simple, even i got it
18:27	asciilifeform	what will be interesting is: once the idiot imitators show up.
18:28	asciilifeform	(and insist, through their misfortunes, on providing free marketing for the real deal.)
18:28	Duffer1	hehe
18:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12572 @ 0.00090383 = 11.363 BTC [-] {2}
18:29	asciilifeform	not unlike, if i'm not mistaken, what is happening with mpex.
18:29	mike_c	PR stunt: pit cardano against that website that guesses your number
18:30	mircea_popescu	mike_c gotta give the twentysomething enthusiasts a way in.
18:30	asciilifeform	mike_c: i wrote that. (or actually, johnny von neumann did.)
18:30	asciilifeform	mike_c: someone actually did this with an rsa keyfob!
18:30	asciilifeform	the fob lost.
18:30	mircea_popescu	the current bs they do, setting up shop and pretending like they matter and exist is for the ducks.
18:30	mike_c	hehe
18:30	mircea_popescu	the correct way is to do for instance conference evanghelizing for s.nsa fior a uyear.
18:31	mircea_popescu	you wanna be a car executive you don't show up at the vp meeting acting like you belong there
18:31	mircea_popescu	unless you want to sleep in jail.
18:33	asciilifeform	the game in question, for anyone on whom it has not been inflicted:
18:33	asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
18:33	ozbot	Man vs. Machine.
18:34	BingoBoingo	Speaking of efforts to make GPG more easy to use, this is happening http://goteo.org/project/gnupg-new-website-and-infrastructure
18:35	mike_c	fuck! i hate that mindreading robot.
18:37	mike_c	fail. http://i.imgur.com/JKY7bwv.png
18:38	Duffer1	.bait
18:38	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6t381DAbS1qbvikdo1_1280.jpg
18:39	Duffer1	how dare you speak ill of ozbot
18:39	mike_c	ozbot is a good robot that does what its told. ascii's robot reads my mind in uncomfortable ways.
18:40	mircea_popescu	is that a birthmark or a beltmark ozbot ?
18:40	Duffer1	let me look at it some more
18:41	mircea_popescu	mike_c here's a bomb for you : there exists a sequence which makes the bot get 0%
18:41	mircea_popescu	this is what nsa paid asciilifeform 10 bazilion for.
18:42	jurov	mhm jurov 100: machine 98
18:42	mike_c	hehe. well, i could write a counter-bot pretty quickly since he provided the source code.
18:42	BingoBoingo	Has radioactive decay improved its entropy to compete with the Cardano yet?
18:42	mircea_popescu	ahahaha
18:42	assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1515620/plain/)
18:42	mircea_popescu	!b 2
18:42	mircea_popescu	mike_c i give you an hour. .1 btc if you manage.
18:43	mike_c	done. go.
18:43	mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-assets hackhaton.
18:44	ThickAsThieves	i forgot my hat
18:45	mircea_popescu	but in the interest of sanity : obviously radioactive decay is purely entropic. the methods people use to try and extract that entropy however... tsk.
18:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1390 @ 0.0004302 = 0.598 BTC [-] {2}
18:49	KRS\|Gotyawallet	i see you know a thing or two about physics mircea_popescu
18:50	mircea_popescu	like 1.5
18:50	KRS\|Gotyawallet	postulate quantum mechanics much?
18:50	mircea_popescu	supposedly i was a theoretical physicist in my youth
18:51	KRS\|Gotyawallet	its a bit of a fun distraction for me
18:51	KRS\|Gotyawallet	i've been reading about that sort of thing since i was just a kid
18:52	KRS\|Gotyawallet	the higgs discovery on mass earlier this year was phenom
18:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00090364 = 9.2171 BTC [-]
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 97 @ 0.01900061 = 1.8431 BTC [-] {5}
19:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4597 @ 0.00090555 = 4.1628 BTC [+] {2}
19:15	mike_c	ha, screw that bot. http://jsfiddle.net/dWaUZ/3/
19:18	mike_c	this is educational as well. i am surprised at the patterns that fool it.
19:18	mircea_popescu	halfway there ?
19:19	mike_c	um, not sure exactly what the challenge was. i'm done!
19:19	mike_c	http://jsfiddle.net/dWaUZ/3/
19:19	ozbot	Edit fiddle - JSFiddle
19:20	mircea_popescu	too much js to help me.
19:20	mike_c	i could publish an arbitrary number of long strings of numbers that win
19:20	mike_c	you can just play and win
19:20	mike_c	oh, you can't see it
19:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00090665 = 4.8052 BTC [+]
19:20	mircea_popescu	basically you were writing a bot that played and won.
19:21	mike_c	you have JS on at all? i could publish the html/js somewhere else
19:21	mircea_popescu	this is != writing a string that works.
19:21	mike_c	i can provide strings of arbitrary length
19:21	mircea_popescu	you can just pb the code.
19:21	mike_c	i just did :)
19:21	mircea_popescu	uh
19:21	mircea_popescu	pastebin.com ? dpaste.com ? something that actually spits out text
19:21	mike_c	k
19:22	mircea_popescu	i dunno what that site threw at me, but it didn't werk
19:22	asciilifeform	the magic string is at this point known to everyone, some wag posted it on reddit
19:22	asciilifeform	it's a consequence of how the markov chain works
19:22	mike_c	this is better!
19:22	asciilifeform	but you aren't really winning
19:22	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that was going to be my killing blow once he failed.
19:22	asciilifeform	you still 'lose at entropy' because now you have clear pattern.
19:23	mircea_popescu	ok, but the game was beat your opponent not beat the idea of chess
19:23	asciilifeform	i still find it hilarious how much time people burned playing with that thing.
19:24	mike_c	hang on, creating html file you can download and play locally
19:24	mircea_popescu	twist : that playing was generally a better use of that time than the alternatives they had
19:24	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this could by why mswinblows came with 'minesweeper'
19:25	mircea_popescu	im kind-of surprised nobody made minestripper.
19:25	mircea_popescu	same idea except with progressive nudity.
19:25	mircea_popescu	oh us, why u so violent!
19:26	wao-ender	mm
19:26	asciilifeform	obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHY8NKj3RKs
19:26	wao-ender	mircea_popescu: I just thinking about something similiar you just wrote at trilema http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (thx 2 jurov)
19:26	wao-ender	mircea_popescu: and my Q is, did you made some progress on it?
19:26	mircea_popescu	wao-ender hardly.
19:27	wao-ender	also, I have in my head some cat bonds, did you heard of them?
19:28	mircea_popescu	uyeah
19:28	wao-ender	what do you think of? I just had talk with some guy who is pro in risk assests managment
19:28	mircea_popescu	technically that's what the mpoe bonds are.
19:28	mike_c	https://mega.co.nz/#!7UJTFCZZ!LGD7Wk8CSVUZgL0C4fqebBVsMfkvnzaOAgkPd5D_pkM
19:28	ozbot	MEGA
19:28	wao-ender	ah
19:28	wao-ender	ok then
19:28	mircea_popescu	you looked into how those work ?
19:28	wao-ender	not yet
19:29	mike_c	so you can play as normal, except it hints you what to press next
19:29	mircea_popescu	aite, they've been used for ~2 years to cover the options bot on mpex
19:29	wao-ender	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131270.0
19:29	mircea_popescu	mike_c da heck is that, you're just recursing the algo lol
19:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16710 @ 0.00091086 = 15.2205 BTC [+] {2}
19:29	mircea_popescu	gotta put some clever into it!
19:29	mike_c	exactly! much more fun.
19:29	mike_c	what, a counter-bot has to be complicated? :)
19:30	mircea_popescu	no, but it has to be counter
19:30	mircea_popescu	rather than a re-bot
19:30	mike_c	it's pretty counter. i'm up like 100-0
19:30	mircea_popescu	you would be lol
19:31	mike_c	i assumed we were not connecting semantically on the challenge. i did it for fun :)
19:32	ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y#t=129
19:32	ozbot	The Cubli: a cube that can jump up, balance, and 'walk' - YouTube
19:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.09299994 = 2.232 BTC [+] {3}
19:32	mircea_popescu	:p
19:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2929 = 0.5858 BTC [-]
19:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02259 = 0.1581 BTC [+]
19:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02259 = 0.113 BTC [+]
19:46	ThickAsThieves	http://investor.fb.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=815488
19:46	ozbot	Facebook Announces Pricing of Follow-On Offering - Facebook
19:46	ThickAsThieves	$1.5b in stock
19:51	mircea_popescu	heh
19:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04886599 = 1.466 BTC [+] {3}
19:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04888 = 1.5153 BTC [+] {2}
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20:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7685 @ 0.00091072 = 6.9989 BTC [-]
20:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34367 @ 0.00090799 = 31.2049 BTC [-] {4}
20:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20628 @ 0.00090625 = 18.6941 BTC [-]
20:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14889 @ 0.00090511 = 13.4762 BTC [-]
20:45	copumpkin	MPOE is pretty shallow
20:45	copumpkin	need moar market makin'
20:50	pizzaman1337	what's the best bitcoin accepting VPS provider these days?
20:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15293 @ 0.00090526 = 13.8441 BTC [+] {2}
20:51	asciilifeform	pizzaman1337: hard to say 'best', but there are several which appear to work 'as printed on the box.'
20:51	pizzaman1337	asciilifeform: any that you recommend?
20:51	pizzaman1337	wait, I wonder if you can use AWS with an amazon gift card, which you could buy with BTC...
20:51	asciilifeform	sure.
20:52	pizzaman1337	ok, nvm then
20:52	pizzaman1337	the internet seems to disagree: http://www.quora.com/Amazon/Can-I-use-Amazon-gift-cards-to-pay-for-AWS
20:55	KRS\|Gotyawallet	jurov has a free shell
20:55	pizzaman1337	I want something I can "completely" control
20:56	benkay	nice air quotes
20:59	KRS\|Gotyawallet	heh
20:59	KRS\|Gotyawallet	something with a gui right
21:00	pizzaman1337	no, I mean, something I can trust more than a shell on some else's box. I want root.
21:00	benkay	"trust"
21:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 315 @ 0.001 = 0.315 BTC
21:05	mircea_popescu	you don't get root with amazon cloud.
21:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0009035 = 3.614 BTC [-] {2}
21:07	asciilifeform	http://www.usatoday.com/story/nation/2013/12/19/maj-gen-michael-carey-nuclear-missiles-alcohol/4131963/
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21:07	ozbot	Air Force disciplines nuke general for alcohol binge
21:07	Duffer1	push button to end our species
21:08	Duffer1	i'd be an alcoholic too
21:08	pizzaman1337	I guess it depends on your definition of root?
21:08	mircea_popescu	after his alcohol-fueled binge on a two-day visit to Moscow in July that included a late-night meeting with local women and offensive behavior to his Russian hosts.
21:08	mircea_popescu	what are these people, retarded ?
21:08	mircea_popescu	who offended russians by drinking ? is this alternate ustard reality or something ?
21:08	Duffer1	maybe he dissed their vodka
21:09	asciilifeform	implication is that he failed to 'hold his liquor'
21:09	BingoBoingo	Obviously this disciplinary case should have been referred to me for adjudication
21:09	mircea_popescu	maybe some 5rd wheel aide chick was offended.
21:09	asciilifeform	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/19/an_american_nuclear_general_gets_fired_for_booze_fuelled_moscow_bender.html
21:09	ozbot	An American nuclear general gets fired for booze-fuelled Moscow bender.
21:10	asciilifeform	A tobacco store lady talking about physics in the wee hours of the morning doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me, Carey told investigators..."
21:10	mircea_popescu	Carey interrupted a monastery tour guide with slurred speech, sulked on a group walk through Red Square and later tried to sing with a band at a Mexican restaurant in Moscow. They refused to let him.
21:10	mircea_popescu	lmao
21:10	mircea_popescu	clearly the man is not fit for any job. he is not bland, he is not overlycautious
21:11	mircea_popescu	i say take his citizenship, he doesn't fit in.
21:12	mircea_popescu	"I've never been more embarrassed professionally in my life with a senior member." aka, you should see the junior members.
21:12	mircea_popescu	anyway. i wonder how many shitty officers are breathing easy now, because they won't get fired because well... they dont' get drunk so it's all ok.
21:13	asciilifeform	the riotously funny part: which beans exactly is the general to spill?
21:13	asciilifeform	'PALs are still set to code 00000'?
21:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04888 = 0.4888 BTC [+]
21:13	asciilifeform	'u.s. missile defense still requires rocket to broadcast its location, at least 1kW loud.'
21:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12975 @ 0.00090325 = 11.7197 BTC [-] {2}
21:14	asciilifeform	'president buys his coke in a transformer booth at Eastern Market st.'
21:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00090625 = 3.2625 BTC [+]
21:16	Duffer1	well he can't get it on SR any more so where else is he going to get hooked up?
21:17	mod6	heheh
21:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.04888 = 1.5642 BTC [+]
21:21	KRS1	thought sr was back up
21:21	KRS1	havent others popped up now
21:22	Duffer1	oh probably
21:22	asciilifeform	there was the honeypot one that shat out its complete customer list
21:22	asciilifeform	and where 'somebody' absconded with the treasure chest
21:23	mircea_popescu	wao-ender incidentally : bitbet is a cat bond escrow by default.
21:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.049399 = 0.1976 BTC [+]
21:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00090248 = 11.4615 BTC [-] {2}
21:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.08122499 = 0.9747 BTC [+] {4}
21:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
21:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8373 @ 0.00089998 = 7.5355 BTC [-] {2}
21:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2254 @ 0.00089789 = 2.0238 BTC [-] {2}
21:41	KRS1	fwiw sources are saying btc market could correct down to ~ $360 - $400's market price
21:41	spokesz	!jd
21:41	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 10562 BTC profit, 35.3k BTC invested, 364.83 mio bets, 4.64 mio BTC wagered
21:43	harkbarker	http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/20/5231006/nsa-paid-10-million-for-a-back-door-into-rsa-encryption-according-to
21:43	ozbot	NSA paid $10 million to put its backdoor in RSA encryption, according to Reuters report \| The Verge
21:45	asciilifeform	wonder when we'll get the lamer circus - 'rsa algo sucks, let's use bozocrypt'
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22:06	dj_jazzy_jeff_	hello?
22:07	kakobrekla	hi
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22:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
22:30	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bozocrypt is better because secret sauce.
22:33	fiat500	"KRS1> fwiw sources are saying "
22:33	fiat500	sources? bitcoin market insiders?
22:35	fiat500	im just imagining some dude with 1000s of BTC saying "yeah i want to sell off super fast such that i cause the price to plummet and in turn lose a lot of money"
22:36	mircea_popescu	krs has been a little antsy of late.
22:38	fiat500	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4066329#msg4066329
22:38	ozbot	Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
22:38	fiat500	facepalm
22:40	kakobrekla	fuck you fiat500 you slanderous soul
22:40	mircea_popescu	derp.
22:40	fiat500	kakobrekla: what did i slander exactly?
22:40	mircea_popescu	this new learning amazes me >D
22:40	CuWireBeard	"resurrected"? Is that what they're calling it nowadays
22:40	mircea_popescu	fiat500 he's being very sarcastic.
22:40	fiat500	oh, lol
22:40	fiat500	fair enough then
22:40	mircea_popescu	CuWireBeard its one of the original global scam exchange "investments"
22:41	mircea_popescu	it was resurected like... every summer now
22:42	fiat500	in my mind this is worse than a scam, its just sheer incompetence, how do you collect 900 btc for hardware purchases and end up sourcing only 28TH/s for delivery sometime next year?
22:42	mircea_popescu	guess.
22:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0008873 = 10.9138 BTC [-]
22:42	CuWireBeard	But BFL was the future of BTC mining
22:43	fiat500	thats 30btc im never going to see again, breaks my heart really
22:44	fiat500	iirc goat was closer to 140btc into this
22:45	mircea_popescu	goat says lots ofthings.
22:45	mircea_popescu	most of which aren't actually true.
22:45	fiat500	nah he traded in some hw for 700 shares at ~0.2
22:46	Duffer1	where is goat now days?
22:46	fiat500	spoke to him last week, he's around
22:47	fiat500	lol@ this http://just-dice.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-12-14T12:32:00-08:00&max-results=7
22:47	fiat500	more creative destruction of wealth, its a new economy
22:48	Duffer1	how did i know that was going to be about nokawa
22:49	kakobrekla	cant belive "one guy vs random" gets so much coverage
22:50	kakobrekla	or should i say vs 1% house edge
22:50	mike_c	funniest part of that article: nakowa donated 10btc to the people in the chat room at the time, including the author. the author proceeded to gamble it away immediately.
22:51	kakobrekla	lool
22:51	fiat500	lmfao
22:52	Duffer1	i'm surprised it's on the jd blog, highlighting the tragedy of gambling addiction would drive users away, or make them more disappointed in themselves for staying
22:53	kakobrekla	its some fans blong isnt it? not official or anyhting
22:53	kakobrekla	blog*
22:53	Duffer1	ah
22:53	kakobrekla	but blong isnt such bad word either, should be used for something
22:53	mircea_popescu	isn't it the guy;'s gf blogging there ?
22:54	kakobrekla	dunno
23:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9388 @ 0.00089124 = 8.367 BTC [+] {2}
23:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00088964 = 4.5372 BTC [-]
23:18	kakobrekla	lolk
23:20	BingoBoingo	It's just a matter of figuring out what sort of format a blong is.
23:21	BingoBoingo	If a blong is even a web venture.
23:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008926 = 4.463 BTC [+]
23:23	mircea_popescu	and can you short the blong
23:24	kakobrekla	yeah but dont do it, dont short btc or blong.
23:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1350 @ 0.00088808 = 1.1989 BTC [-] {2}
23:25	BingoBoingo	blong being a away to say long on btc could make the20year and his real estate venture shorting blong
23:25	mircea_popescu	hello sir. i am with fortune a business company of the united states and would like to short blong
23:28	kakobrekla	and so the power puff, errr, new word was born.
23:29	KRS1	schlong
23:38	Duffer1	Earthcoin just launched if anyone here is interested in LTC clones that have zero innovation
23:38	fiat500	lmfao
23:38	fiat500	what's so earthy about it
23:39	CuWireBeard	How many Earthcoins do I need for a tree to be planted in my name on Earth Day?
23:41	Duffer1	they made the block reward like a 12 month long sin wave because.. who knows
23:42	Duffer1	the first 6 months it will peak at 12k block reward then fall to 8k block reward during the following 6 months
23:45	Duffer1	seems like they're trying to increase volatility to get better margins as they fleece suckers on cryptsy
23:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00088088 = 17.7057 BTC [-] {2}
23:58	mircea_popescu	there's dog-coin, earth-coin and everything-else coin so far, but no girlfriend-coin
23:58	mircea_popescu	telling.
23:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
23:59	Duffer1	i wonder why sex coin didn't survive...

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