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00:00 Duffer1 :P
00:00 Duffer1 howcome there isn't a MP coin?
00:01 Duffer1 pay 20btc to mine it
00:01 Duffer1 1btc per addres
00:01 Duffer1 s
00:04 Duffer1 block reward negotiable
00:05 fiat500 LOL
00:05 fiat500 now thats innovation
00:06 fiat500 market-based block reward
00:10 mircea_popescu ;lol
00:18 asciilifeform better marscoin.
00:18 asciilifeform betcha the first orbiting blockchain gizmo will be hooked to an altchain
00:18 asciilifeform not for any good reason, but to promote the otherwise forgettable crackpot alt which it would otherwise be
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00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0008817 = 10.3159 BTC [+] {2}
01:09 mircea_popescu it's a bet
01:16 theskyisfalling its a me
01:19 fiat500 http://falkvinge.net/2011/05/29/why-im-putting-all-my-savings-into-bitcoin/
01:19 fiat500 did he end up selling at some point or is he still all in? anyone know?
01:21 fiat500 nvm, seems like a moron
01:25 mircea_popescu he gets the occasional good point
01:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00088259 = 7.6785 BTC [+]
01:33 Duffer1 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/european-union-loses-aaa-credit-rating-at-s-p-on-weaker-cohesion.html
01:33 ozbot European Union Stripped of AAA Credit Rating at S&P - Bloomberg
01:47 mircea_popescu no reason it should have had it
01:47 mircea_popescu no reason the us should have aa either
01:47 mircea_popescu c is what it is.
01:49 Duffer1 star citizen needs to be a real thing right now that i can play
01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21929 @ 0.00088192 = 19.3396 BTC [-] {3}
02:03 theskyisfalling eve wannabe
02:06 Duffer1 have you seen the hanger footage on youtube?
02:07 Duffer1 hangar even
02:12 fiat500 "The downgrade “changes nothing,” President Francois Hollande of France, Europe’s second-largest economy, told reporters today after a summit of European leaders in Brussels."
02:13 fiat500 what is the point of having a rating at all?
02:13 Duffer1 lower borrower rates
02:14 fiat500 i mean given the notion that a downgrade 'changes nothing' - seems like he should be arguing it was undeserved, not that it is meaningless
02:15 Duffer1 oh ya politicians say things but all i hear is bbzzzzzzzz
02:15 Duffer1 it's weird
02:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00087815 = 9.8353 BTC [-]
02:24 benkay BingoBoingo: why some insane algol derivative and not a lisp?
02:26 BingoBoingo benkay: I'm trying to put myself in a position to appreciate the better things when I have the background to leverage them.
02:28 benkay hm
02:29 benkay you wouldn't go learn to do things the wrong way just to hear your sensei tell you to pour out two years of practice, would you?
02:32 benkay BingoBoingo: i strongly recommend you not fill your cup with those idiocies. there is a strong push towards things that are easy, but taking the easy route now sets you up for a whole shitton of unnecessary unlearning later.
02:33 benkay obviously, i don't know anything about anything and my 'advice' on programming matters should be regarded as highly suspect
02:33 BingoBoingo Well, anything is better than Java
02:34 benkay but i gather that you don't actually need to be scripting python, and the cleaner the break with whatever your past is (Java especially), the easier of a time you're going to have wrapping your head around the functional approach.
02:36 benkay once you get into the class-based systems (which Python libraries inevitably drive you to), Python is just Java lacking a few particular flakes of shit.
02:37 BingoBoingo Probably.
02:37 fiat500 benkay: sounds like a condemnation of OO/imperative programming in general
02:37 benkay it has its place
02:38 benkay in large corporations where they hire labor.
02:38 fiat500 fp is not the most elegant/efficient way to express solutions to every problem
02:39 fiat500 i think you are conflating the 'where' with the 'why'
02:39 benkay do go on
02:40 fiat500 which of my two statements do you find issue with?
02:41 benkay neither. i don't quite understand your comment about wheres and whys, tho.
02:41 benkay but!
02:42 benkay this is a highly contextual conversation between BingoBoingo and myself, albeit in a public domain.
02:42 fiat500 hm, sorry, guess i was missing context then
02:43 fiat500 my point was that the size of the corporation (or really more generally, where a problem is being solved) does not have a bearing on the type of problem being solved
02:43 fiat500 in the context of fp vs imperative
02:44 benkay sounds like you're assuming BigCorp can select even an approximately appropriate tool for a job.
02:44 fiat500 how do you define bigcorp?
02:44 benkay heh
02:44 fiat500 are we excluding tech companies from this?
02:44 benkay has mgmt that thinks that sw dev teams of greater than 10 members are an acceptable idea.
02:45 benkay doesn't understand nonlinear comms overhead.
02:45 BingoBoingo Well, generally generic BigCorp wants fungible workers, and they generally use blub as a tool to keep workers fungible.
02:45 fiat500 fb fits that description, and fb is really good at using say - haskell - as the right tool for some of their internal analytics
02:46 benkay ya and their deploy strategy is also "compile php to c and torrent it around the internal network"
02:46 benkay so you tell me if that's a mature dev environment.
02:47 benkay there's a whole stack of shit that bothers me about OOP
02:47 benkay first, OOP is designed to get people hammering keyboards as quickly as possible, which is orthogonal to teaching humans how computers actually work.
02:47 benkay the pathological case being the .NET Mort.
02:47 fiat500 i think my point is, while fb is rather large, has sw dev teams > 10 members, and uses OOP for many things, they also use fp where it makes sense
02:48 benkay yeah i just can't accept FB as an example of a mature and sustained development environment delivering business value.
02:48 benkay of course they have dev teams > 10
02:49 BingoBoingo I don't think .NET and OOP are equivalently problematic. OOP can be useful in cases. Somethings want to be objects. I mean CLOS is a thing. The problem is what happens once you make an object.
02:49 benkay ya well, brain surgery lasers are great in the hands of brain surgeons
02:50 benkay problem is everyone wants to make tools that make computing 'simpler' 'easier' 'more understandable'
02:50 benkay but all of these layers of abstraction get in between problems and people who can fix them.
02:50 fiat500 if you think of objects as just structs with function pointers, its hard to argue that an object is an inappropriate way to represent state in a stateful system
02:50 benkay mrh
02:50 benkay i lean towards the monadic approach these days.
02:51 benkay but what about the insane method inheritance?
02:51 benkay how do I teach someone what the ever loving fuck is going on in a Django project?
02:52 benkay a string has a .split method? give me a break!
02:52 benkay do forgive me
02:52 benkay i'm fresh out of a code retreat with some humans who really grok oop and yet failed to put together class hierarchies to implement the game of life in 45 minutes.
02:52 fiat500 not to defend django or python, but a split method is useful enough that it should probably exist somewhere - where would you put it?
02:53 benkay in a library of functions
02:53 benkay that operate on a wide variety of data structures
02:53 fiat500 ok, i see what you're getting at here
02:54 benkay i come at this all from a weird non cs perspective, so i'm sure a lot of the conclusions that i've come to are completely bogus.
02:54 fiat500 the problem arises where a newer, more efficient implementation is found at some point, and the internal structure of the string must change (consider it getting generalized to a rope, as an extreme and ridiculous example)
02:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13593 @ 0.00087945 = 11.9544 BTC [+] {2}
02:54 BingoBoingo Eh, At least we aren't debating SQL
02:55 benkay in my world, functions take arguments and return values.
02:55 fiat500 now this external library of functions must become aware of this change and handle it
02:55 benkay hopefully ones fundamental data structures aren't evolving too quickly
02:55 fiat500 well, concrete example
02:55 fiat500 NSDictionary in the land of cocoa, changes its internal structure based on its contents
02:56 benkay oh god
02:56 fiat500 it switches to a more optimal data structure when its size gets large enough
02:57 benkay this is a pretty common implementation of data structures, right?
02:57 fiat500 http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/array.html
02:57 ozbot Array
02:58 benkay yeah that's great
02:59 fiat500 not saying its great, just a choice made by the designers, i think it adds a nice variety to the mix
02:59 benkay well to return to the topic of my rant
02:59 benkay when someone sits down to hammer out some OOP, they look at the code surrounding what they need to write, and they copy out stuff that looks like what they've seen and it just works.
02:59 BingoBoingo You know what language really makes sense. TeX
03:00 benkay the OOP dream of the nineties is alive in Py-thon...Py-thon!
03:00 fiat500 hahahaha
03:01 benkay but to really understand what's happening they need to understand the class that they're subclassing, what the hell subclassing is, how instances of classes get new-ed the fuck up, all this absurd cognitive overhead
03:01 fiat500 versus writing everything from scratch?
03:02 fiat500 i think the most egregious example of this is c++, not python
03:02 benkay nah
03:02 benkay vs understanding that functions take input arguments and return values
03:03 fiat500 the same values?
03:03 BingoBoingo Eh, C++ is what the first programming classes I'd taken were conducted in.
03:03 benkay given the same inputs you'd have a tough time convincing me there's a good reason not to...
03:03 fiat500 BingoBoingo: i mean in the sense that many people who are using c++ don't really understand wtf is going on behind the scenes
03:04 BingoBoingo Before that though I banged away in motorola 68k assembler on the TI-89 and mac
03:04 fiat500 benkay: thats a great way to solve some problems, not really great for stateful systems
03:04 BingoBoingo fiat500: Why shouldn't you be ale to change the system as it runs?
03:05 benkay fiat500: there are exceptions.
03:05 fiat500 i dont think i said you shouldnt be able to... im saying you should
03:05 benkay fiat500: OOP leads the programmer to encapsulate state in the most insane places possible.
03:05 benkay the b
03:05 fiat500 benkay: yeah, not gonna dispute this, i see it all the time, and not just with novices
03:06 benkay all fp does is urge you at a language level to do something sane with your state.
03:06 benkay it's not a panacea
03:06 benkay panacea to the BigCorp software dev problem
03:06 benkay probably never will be, relationship of comms overhead to number of devs on team being what it is.
03:06 fiat500 perhaps instead of bigcorp you mean "unsophisticated"
03:06 fiat500 i would agree with that
03:06 benkay eh
03:06 benkay it's a metaphor
03:07 benkay exercise for the reader and all that
03:07 fiat500 haha
03:07 benkay consider it a shit test for dev ability
03:07 benkay "can you fp? okay. you've got 3 months to demonstrate competence."
03:08 fiat500 sounds generous
03:08 benkay it's typically obvious after 2 weeks when they can't.
03:09 benkay point being: oop has layers and layers of absurd needless complexity.
03:10 benkay there are lisps for every platform these days
03:10 benkay but BingoBoingo wouldn't you like your platform to support true parallelized operation eh eh eh?
03:11 BingoBoingo benkay: I would. Maybe.
03:12 BingoBoingo I'd settle for does what it is told,
03:14 benkay https://pypi.python.org/pypi/fuckit
03:15 ozbot fuckit 1.0.0 : Python Package Index
03:15 BingoBoingo I wouldn't mind a Macintosh SE/30 with less magic smoke than the last one produced.
03:15 benkay next computer i get excited about comes from the asciilifeform labs
03:15 BingoBoingo Probably the same here
03:16 benkay next computer my company actually buys me is a well-designed thing whose default ctags implementation doesn't recurse
03:16 benkay good night sir
03:25 fiat500 "This module is like violence: if it doesn't work, you just need more of it."
03:25 fiat500 beautiful
03:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2928 = 0.5856 BTC [-]
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03:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11535 @ 0.00088004 = 10.1513 BTC [+] {2}
03:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+]
04:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.002904 = 0.3311 BTC [-]
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04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00087974 = 16.847 BTC [-] {2}
04:47 BingoBoingo How many accounts are posting on behalf of NeoBee nao? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182236
04:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00088148 = 4.4074 BTC [+]
05:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00088148 = 3.9667 BTC [+]
05:03 Apocalyptic .d
05:03 ozbot 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 2009 blocks | Estimated Change: -15.8654% in 16d 3h 52m 29s
05:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 727 @ 0.00088182 = 0.6411 BTC [+] {2}
05:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20573 @ 0.00088316 = 18.1693 BTC [+] {3}
05:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11775 @ 0.00088324 = 10.4002 BTC [+]
05:28 BingoBoingo ;;asks 1250
05:28 gribble There are currently 22017.358 bitcoins offered at or under 1250.0 USD, worth 20955828.2806 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0979 seconds
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06:21 jurov Please note that while Danny enjoys interacting with the forum and answering questions when he can, he is still the CEO of the company, and thus is quite busy most of the time.
06:22 jurov busy indeed.. extracting bitcoins from weexchange
06:23 jurov Hello everyone, this account will be used for Neo investor-related updates and communications going forward, rather than the ThickAsThieves one.
06:23 jurov ha.
06:24 jurov Please whitelist this account for business use. I will follow up with a post from my main account, ThickAsThieves.
06:24 jurov so it's TAT
06:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18806 @ 0.00087778 = 16.5075 BTC [-] {2}
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06:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00087722 = 17.8076 BTC [-] {2}
06:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00088324 = 8.5674 BTC [+]
06:54 bevardis1 Hey guys. I want to buy some bitcoins. How fast is it possible to do it with a reasonable price (not more than 20% increase, hopefully <10%)? I have paypal, credit card, etc. I'm european. Looking for advice here, not offers :)
07:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00088324 = 3.7096 BTC [+]
07:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002905 = 0.2905 BTC [+]
07:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 139 @ 0.001 = 0.139 BTC
07:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.292775 = 1.1711 BTC [-] {2}
07:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29289999 = 1.1716 BTC [+]
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07:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 373 @ 0.0026792 = 0.9993 BTC [-] {2}
07:46 pankkake Bernankoin v1.2 released, dual QE scheduled for january, affirmative action later
07:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000002 BTC [-]
07:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.27880201 = 1.394 BTC [-] {3}
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08:08 nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/poltergeist-behaviour-haunts-st-john-s-family-1.2471911
08:08 ozbot Poltergeist behaviour haunts St. John's family - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
08:09 nubbins` brutally poor standard of journalism haunts st. john's news team
08:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00087911 = 9.0109 BTC [-]
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08:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
08:30 ThickAsThieves This is more of a haunting than a poltergeist behavior which tends to be more violent. My wife and I have had many strange unexplained experiences happen also. I am no so keen on mediums though. There are only a few in the world that are actually any good at being specific or accurate.
08:30 ThickAsThieves (commenter)
08:36 ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats
08:36 gribble Current Blocks: 276215 | Current Difficulty: 1.1809231952580261E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 278207 | Next Difficulty In: 1992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1097402926.23 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.07246
08:36 ThickAsThieves the bet should be closed
08:36 ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/
08:36 ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
08:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00088177 = 1.9399 BTC [+]
08:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7129 @ 0.00088177 = 6.2861 BTC [+]
08:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
08:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00088136 = 8.1085 BTC [-] {2}
08:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
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09:23 mircea_popescu .d
09:23 ozbot 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1988 blocks | Estimated Change: -18.5612% in 16d 8h 45m 5s
09:23 mircea_popescu ha
09:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00283413 = 0.1786 BTC [+] {5}
09:28 nubbins` nice
09:30 knotwork wow yeah
09:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00088251 = 8.1632 BTC [+] {2}
09:39 mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png << the picture of unsustainable.
09:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00088294 = 13.2882 BTC [+] {2}
09:45 nubbins` world war 3 will be different, in that it won't be called world war 3
09:45 mircea_popescu heh.
09:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
09:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.29288977 = 1.4644 BTC [+] {2}
10:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13909 @ 0.00088324 = 12.285 BTC [+]
10:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7591 @ 0.0008834 = 6.7059 BTC [+]
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10:38 pankkake got a "coinchat is back" mail. I thought that was TradeFortress' thing?
10:40 ThickAsThieves sounds right
10:41 ThickAsThieves https://blockchain.info/pools
10:41 ozbot Bitcoin Hashrate Distribution - Blockchain.info
10:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9273 @ 0.00087754 = 8.1374 BTC [-] {2}
10:41 ThickAsThieves BTCG and Ghash have big slices
10:42 pankkake 17% unknown :o
10:42 ThickAsThieves wonder if governments will regulate mining pools one day
10:42 pankkake they have every incentive to do so… but pools are also easy to hide
10:43 pankkake perhaps at the cost of some latency
10:43 ThickAsThieves the more hidden they are the less popular they are
10:43 asciilifeform by 'regulate,' perhaps you mean pwn?
10:43 asciilifeform how many miners are using authentication of any sort whatsoever
10:44 pankkake regulation is "drowning by bureaucracy"
10:44 asciilifeform you might already be mining for the reich
10:44 asciilifeform without knowing it.
10:44 pankkake hmm, very easy to MITM miners
10:44 ThickAsThieves like limit pools to 10%, tax them
10:44 ThickAsThieves etc
10:45 asciilifeform and most 'special' of all are the folks who connect to pools... through tor.
10:45 pankkake I would think more like forbid "bad" transactions
10:45 ThickAsThieves like redlisting etc
10:45 pankkake yeah
10:46 ThickAsThieves its kinda like forking the chain
10:46 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: much easier would be a crown-imposed altcoin
10:47 asciilifeform 'trade yer TerrorCoins for ReichCoins! you can even pay tax in them.'
10:48 ThickAsThieves i sure love paying tax
10:48 asciilifeform pre-mined by your local Department of Plenty, naturally.
10:49 pankkake I aim to sell Bernankoin to the USG!
10:49 pankkake it's funny that no matter how hard you try to make a bad coin, people go out there to "promote" it
10:50 ThickAsThieves someone should make an altcoin building program
10:50 ThickAsThieves choose your settings
10:50 pankkake yeah, that's should be my next project
10:50 ThickAsThieves basically make it so any joe can make an altcoin
10:51 pankkake like the (fake) RnB generator: http://pixdaus.com/files/items/pics/2/86/30286_c070b827bd67eecdc929eea629c45195_large.jpg
10:52 ThickAsThieves you could even host pools
10:52 ThickAsThieves make it a whole SaaS
10:53 pankkake quite a lot of work, but sure should pay in the long run
10:53 ThickAsThieves http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/12/20/target-credit-cards-are-selling-for-20-100-each/
10:53 ozbot Stolen Target Credit Cards Are Selling For $20 - $100 Each - Forbes
10:54 ThickAsThieves Bitcoin, as well as other irreversible and semi-anonymous ways of sending money including Litecoin, WebMoney, PerfectMoney, and traditional wire transfers.
10:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5275 @ 0.00087708 = 4.6266 BTC [-]
10:54 ThickAsThieves They can be bought using, of course, Bitcoin, as well as other irreversible and semi-anonymous ways of sending money including Litecoin
10:55 ThickAsThieves (Amusingly, one of my normal Bitcoin sources emailed me to say, “ If Target accepted Bitcoins, 40 million individuals would have been protected.”
10:56 ThickAsThieves "The only good news: Krebs reports that the Target thieves did not get the cards CVV2 — that 3 or 4 digit security number printed on back of cards — which means they can’t do any online shopping with the cards. "
10:56 ThickAsThieves thats not true at all
10:56 pankkake credit cards is the worst security ever
10:56 pankkake I don't even understand how something so bad can exist
10:57 mircea_popescu because they were made before the internet forced tech up everyone's throat, by people who believe in legal solutions.
10:57 ThickAsThieves Target is 10% off this weekend too
10:58 ThickAsThieves their stock is up however
10:58 mircea_popescu and any government that asserts any sort of infringement on teh republic of bitcoin's sovereignity, such as by purporting to "tax" bitcoins or to "regulate" mining etc is thereby declaring war, and will feel the full wrath and might of said republic.
10:58 ThickAsThieves would you say the same about the internet?
10:58 mircea_popescu no, inasmuch as the internet is not a republic.
10:59 mircea_popescu what's the internet gonna do, blog about you ?
10:59 ThickAsThieves block mining?
11:00 mircea_popescu hm ?
11:00 ThickAsThieves what if gov uses some roundabout means of internet control to impede bitcoin
11:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12016 @ 0.00087883 = 10.56 BTC [+] {2}
11:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2929 = 1.4645 BTC [+]
11:01 mircea_popescu well how would i know ?
11:01 mircea_popescu likely bitcoin will use some roundabout means of internet control to impede nonsense.
11:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2929 BTC [+]
11:02 ThickAsThieves hmm
11:02 ThickAsThieves do you think bitcoin is dependent on the web?
11:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00088045 = 9.9491 BTC [+]
11:02 ThickAsThieves if so, should not the republic defend it?
11:03 ThickAsThieves an attack on my friend
11:03 mod6 bitcoin doesn't need the internet: http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/
11:03 mircea_popescu bitcoin is not dependent on the web in any way.
11:04 mircea_popescu what exactly is the relation of bitcoin to the web, mpoe-pr ?
11:06 ThickAsThieves you think bitcoin would stay healthy without it the net?
11:06 mod6 bitcoin will find a way. if anything, i think we'd build our own communications network if we needed to.
11:07 ThickAsThieves well Gavin is on that satellite project right
11:09 mod6 paul revere style light signals or even smoke signals would work.
11:09 knotwork web and net are different, web is just another thing that uses the net as transport, much like bitcoin is
11:10 ThickAsThieves assume i mean the network we all use to communicate
11:10 knotwork bitcoin does depend on having some kind of net though if only sneakers-and-paper-wallets net
11:11 ThickAsThieves how does mining happen? tx takes mos to confirm?
11:11 knotwork print out a buy order GPG message to mpoe-pr and snailmail it to a penpal in Romania who drops it in a dead-drop for MPOE-spy to pick up
11:11 knotwork mining is trickier yeah
11:13 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves how is bitcoin related to the web, sweriously
11:13 knotwork run your local fork via sneakernet all year, then put it on santa's plate with his cookies and milk so when he zooms around the world faster than light he picks them all up, maybe even has a copier in his sleigh to copy it so he puts in your stocking all the chaisn from all the kids he visited before you
11:13 knotwork so we'd have one year to two year long forks in progress constantly
11:13 knotwork maybe less if easter bunny and tooth fairy help him
11:14 knotwork or we could use acoustic modems over long distance phone lines but that is so much less elegant, albeit shorter forks. UUCP to the rescue, whee!
11:15 knotwork subscribe to an alt.blockchains.bitcoin newsgroup, presto
11:15 mircea_popescu probably a sort of point to point over wireless is already happening in the major cities
11:15 mircea_popescu just too much spare wireless capacity available.
11:16 knotwork ho yeah sure go ahead put Santa out of a job already, fine. :)
11:16 mircea_popescu lol
11:16 knotwork you can do UUCP over ham radio though sure
11:17 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves part of the problem is perhaps that you're confusing the internet and the web
11:17 mircea_popescu irc for instance is not on the web
11:17 knotwork The north pole is probably a big aerial for christmas ham radio anyway as well as a faster than light communicator so Santa can stay in touch with the Ms. wheil delivering prezzies.
11:18 mircea_popescu it's on 194/6667
11:20 asciilifeform one thing i occasionally try to convince people off is that: the time to invent the parachute is before, rather than after, being thrown out of the plane
11:20 asciilifeform bring back fidonet now.
11:21 mircea_popescu i never knew it went away
11:21 knotwork yeah somewhere between thrown in the deep end to learn to swim and thrown out of an airplane to incentivise inventing a parachute there is a slope of some slipperiness or lack of slipperiness or nasty friction or razor blades or something
11:22 knotwork a gulf or divide maybe
11:22 mircea_popescu anyway, the parachute argument eschews the infinity problem.
11:22 mircea_popescu after you're done throwing an infinite number of people out of the airplane
11:22 mircea_popescu there's an infinite number of people still using the airplane.
11:23 asciilifeform flying Hilbert Hotel?
11:23 mircea_popescu nobody can win the war on concepts, be they purely theoretical like heliocentrism or quite sordid like psychoactives,
11:23 knotwork if there are an infinate number of people in the airplane then relativity maybe should indicate there must also be an infinite number of moments of time?
11:23 mircea_popescu and the airplane throwing thing is a fascinating exercise in impotence.
11:24 knotwork if so maybe we can later after inventing parachute put in an infinite number of parachutes, and even back when we built the first infinite-capacity airplane it would have all those parachutes that will eventually be invented?
11:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10219 @ 0.00087684 = 8.9604 BTC [-] {3}
11:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00088138 = 16.6581 BTC [+] {2}
11:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02102 = 0.2102 BTC [+] {4}
11:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.0008827 = 8.2453 BTC [+] {2}
11:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11409 @ 0.00088425 = 10.0884 BTC [+] {2}
11:40 the20year anyone know offhand what daily volume is at havelock?
11:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8472 @ 0.00088446 = 7.4931 BTC [+]
11:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5728 @ 0.00088463 = 5.0672 BTC [+]
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.048801 = 0.1952 BTC [-]
12:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002905 = 0.2905 BTC [+]
12:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00088463 = 12.9156 BTC [+] {2}
12:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2084 @ 0.00012 = 0.2501 BTC [+]
12:15 zach_ hey i have a question for a mod or someone from bitbet
12:15 zach_ does bitbet work with people sending funds from coinbase?
12:15 nubbins` i think some guy got burned doing that a while ago
12:16 nubbins` coinbase cheaped out on the tx fee, guy missed a bet deadline
12:16 pankkake coinbase is known for sending transactions late, too
12:17 zach_ na i'm asking because i saw on smoeother betting site that coinbase did not work for sending money to them, something about it sending it back to the same address, just like bitbet does, and there being issues with that
12:17 pankkake but if you're early enough, why not, just be sure to specify an address manually
12:17 pankkake bitbet allows you to have a custom address, it won't necessarily use the sending address
12:18 zach_ ok, how do i contact someone from bitbet then
12:19 pankkake you sent it already?
12:19 zach_ yup...
12:19 zach_ not totally sure but i don't think i specified a different address to receive
12:19 pankkake I don't think you have a way to prove you were that transaction
12:19 pankkake well you can see the out address on the public bet list
12:23 mircea_popescu zach_ as long as you control the destination address, you'll be fine.
12:24 mircea_popescu if however you send in such a way that your transaction doesn't make it before the bet closes, you're screwed.
12:24 zach_ if i did not enter an address, it will just get sent back to coinbase correct? does that work are are there problems with that
12:24 mircea_popescu this means, not using shitty services that don't add a fee to txs, and not betting late.
12:24 mircea_popescu if you did not enter an address then coinbase thanks you for your donation.
12:25 twizt lol so many half assed designed services
12:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002904 = 0.2904 BTC [-]
12:25 zach_ why would it not just go back to that same coinbase wallet, that is my wallet
12:25 twizt zach_: i think that answer depends on how coinbase is designed...
12:25 twizt anything we say is mere speculation
12:26 Jere_Jones Was the 1B difficulty bet the largest bitbet ever?
12:26 mircea_popescu zach_ because it is likely that coinbase uses some sort of minimal security.
12:26 mircea_popescu this means that it sweeps its btc into a cold wallet, which also means it will be paying from addresses it controls,
12:26 zach_ ok so if a bet has not resolved yet is there a way to change the address for it to send payouts
12:26 mircea_popescu not from addresses you contrl.
12:26 mircea_popescu no, there is no way to change addresses it sends payouts to. otherwise everyone would cash in on everyone else's bets.
12:26 zach_ i can prove from my coinebase transaction history that the bet in question was sent by me
12:27 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones nah, there were > 1k ones
12:27 mircea_popescu course, back then btc was arguably less valuable.
12:27 twizt zach_: i think their cust serv would be the best suited to answer your question
12:27 nubbins` zach_: "prove" in what sense?
12:27 mircea_popescu zach_ then you could i suppose pester them to credit it, when it shows up. in general however you should not be doing this.
12:27 nubbins` a screenshot isn't proof
12:27 zach_ no cuz i can show i sent it from my address to the given address it said to place the bet
12:27 nubbins` prove to whom?
12:28 mircea_popescu does coinbase actually allocate addresses to users, like a sort of wallet ?
12:28 nubbins` coinbase or bitbet?
12:28 mircea_popescu i thought it was a btc buying service.
12:28 zach_ well now i know
12:29 Namworld Not really. How would you prove you sent that transaction? You can't. A screenshot isn't good enough. I could make a screenshot and edit it 50 times for all amounts and claim all bets as mine.
12:30 mircea_popescu Namworld i assumed they allow him to sign with the address ?
12:30 Namworld Try showing coinbase the transaction out was sent to bitbet and it came back as a winning bet, if it happens you win.
12:31 Namworld Not sure. I don't know how coinbase wallets are designed
12:31 twizt ^^^
12:31 twizt this isnt coinbase' cust service chat lol
12:32 mircea_popescu so the guy can ask. course... always a good idea to ask before rather than after lol
12:34 nubbins` http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/12/21/0041228/reuters-rsa-weakened-encryption-for-10m-from-nsa
12:34 ozbot Reuters: RSA Weakened Encryption For $10M From NSA - Slashdot
12:34 mircea_popescu yest news nubs
12:35 nubbins` ;(
12:40 asciilifeform http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2013/12/17/6569b226-6734-11e3-a0b9-249bbb34602c_story.html
12:40 ozbot Tech executives to Obama: NSA spying revelations are threatening business - The Washington Post
12:45 pankkake https://www.fsf.org/news/gluglug-x60-laptop-now-certified-to-respect-your-freedom
12:45 ozbot Gluglug X60 Laptop now certified to Respect Your Freedom — Free Software Foundation — working to
12:47 mircea_popescu certified by whom ?
12:48 nubbins` FSF
12:49 mircea_popescu better than nothing i guess.
12:49 mircea_popescu meanwhile, http://trilema.com/2013/definitely-not-any-kind-of-a-more-like-c/
12:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00088189 = 11.6409 BTC [-] {3}
12:55 kakobrekla ok so i cant figure out which box is connected as kakobreklaaa
12:57 kakobrekla ill try to reboot the whole house
12:59 kakobreklaaa nvm found it!
13:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00088165 = 8.023 BTC [-]
13:09 mircea_popescu lmao
13:18 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/ paid, if anyone was watching excitedly.
13:18 ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
13:18 mircea_popescu and for all the talk of displeasure, if one compares the
13:18 mircea_popescu 24-08-13 17:37Yes100`0002.00000000126cP3.77154710
13:18 mircea_popescu with the
13:19 mircea_popescu 18-12-13 14:04Yes5`2462.088341811468A2.16559433
13:19 mircea_popescu it seems rather balanced, within reason.
13:19 mircea_popescu 90ish percent vs 3ish%
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13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00088054 = 32.1837 BTC [-] {4}
13:42 x60s?
13:42 might as well sell them a 486
13:42 New 8-cell 5.2aH (5200mAh) battery installed (these are the larger variety, which come with extended battery life)
13:42 gonna need it
13:42 gimmicks
13:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 632 @ 0.00087963 = 0.5559 BTC [-]
13:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18888 @ 0.00087736 = 16.5716 BTC [-] {2}
13:53 mircea_popescu [\\\] ?
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00296707 = 0.448 BTC [+] {4}
14:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29289999 BTC [-]
14:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10004 @ 0.00087667 = 8.7702 BTC [-] {2}
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14:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9520 @ 0.00088163 = 8.3931 BTC [+] {2}
14:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7876 @ 0.00088413 = 6.9634 BTC [+] {3}
14:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC [+]
14:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 569 @ 0.00290279 = 1.6517 BTC [-] {3}
14:50 kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380096.0
14:50 ozbot Pi Wallet - Secure your coins now
14:51 kakobrekla hm nvm
14:51 kakobrekla seems just en expencive rpi
14:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00283127 = 0.3539 BTC [-] {4}
14:54 Duffer1 Scarlett vs Naniwa on now, 14 btc prize
14:54 Duffer1 http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit
14:54 ozbot Totalbiscuit - Twitch
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00088548 = 10.183 BTC [+]
14:56 kakobrekla bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5441.msg3947084#msg3947084
14:57 kakobrekla not like he knew the amt of fake euro debt he took upon himself from the start
14:58 mircea_popescu lol
15:00 mircea_popescu .d
15:00 ozbot 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1944 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5864% in 12d 7h 48m 27s
15:01 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ << is my math off or does the diff need to go up 30% both periods for this to come out yes ?
15:01 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 324 @ 0.00088548 = 0.2869 BTC [+]
15:13 ThickAsThieves we'll have 3 changes before then right?
15:14 mircea_popescu hm. i guess it's actually 41 days
15:14 mircea_popescu so it could be 3 changes yes
15:14 mircea_popescu right on the cusp
15:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12094 @ 0.0008841 = 10.6923 BTC [-] {2}
15:15 mircea_popescu these crazy fucking bets.
15:15 ThickAsThieves i think itll be just like this time
15:15 mircea_popescu i still don't know how they manage to be so well picked ffs.
15:15 ThickAsThieves seem absurd now, likely later, and obvious the week before
15:15 mircea_popescu could be yeah
15:16 ThickAsThieves I have a bet on Yes
15:16 mircea_popescu allow me to rehash the usual arguments : this bet calls for a 50% increase in deployed hash power within a month.
15:16 mircea_popescu this means a good few mwh
15:16 ThickAsThieves 3PH was added this period
15:16 Duffer1 banking on bfl delivering their monarchs tat? :P
15:16 ThickAsThieves why not 4 more?
15:17 mircea_popescu welll....
15:17 ThickAsThieves cointerra delivering too right?
15:17 mircea_popescu if you went to the us army and said "you have to increase your firepower by 50%. you have one month. you can't get a bank loan for this"
15:17 ThickAsThieves and ghash taking over the world
15:17 mircea_popescu then it'd be a much safer bet.
15:17 Duffer1 and hashfast too i suppose
15:18 ThickAsThieves mp you act like they need to decide in the present to deply PHs
15:18 ThickAsThieves maybe they decided 2mos ago
15:18 ThickAsThieves deploy
15:18 mircea_popescu this is a point.
15:19 mircea_popescu what's a ph cost by now, like 5mn ?
15:19 ThickAsThieves good question
15:19 ThickAsThieves thatll be the currency come spring
15:19 ThickAsThieves how many PH you got?
15:19 mircea_popescu lol
15:19 ThickAsThieves do you even PH?
15:20 mod6 heheh
15:20 mircea_popescu lol
15:20 mircea_popescu and the humans got 5 ph and the elves 7 and the dwarves only 3 cause they were midgets
15:20 mircea_popescu yet the last ph...
15:21 ThickAsThieves luke-jr!
15:21 mircea_popescu i wonder if anyone still cpu solo mines
15:21 mircea_popescu maybe there's someone in a cave somewhere, never turned it off.
15:22 ThickAsThieves a lottery ticket is faster
15:22 mircea_popescu maybe it's a girl and she likes it sloo
15:23 ThickAsThieves is the girl in the cave or the cave in the girl?
15:25 ThickAsThieves facebook sure is getting shitty
15:25 ThickAsThieves it's all slow and myspacey now
15:25 mircea_popescu pity i can't short it more.
15:27 ThickAsThieves http://venturebeat.com/2013/12/21/carmats-groundbreaking-five-year-artificial-heart-gets-its-first-patient-in-france/
15:27 ozbot Carmat's groundbreaking five-year artificial heart gets its first patient in France | VentureBeat |
15:27 mircea_popescu o hey
15:27 ThickAsThieves "Not only did the company have to create something that minimized the risk of clot formation, but it also had to ensure that the device was repairable and reliable."
15:28 ThickAsThieves Hello, can I speak with customer service, my heart has stopped functioning. Please hold.
15:29 mircea_popescu i see about $3 per gh. so it'd be 3mn not 5 for a ph
15:29 mircea_popescu people spendign 12 mn to buy mining gear in a month ? definitely.
15:30 mircea_popescu maybe this is how bitcoin dies, we run out of longints to save the diff.
15:30 ThickAsThieves those clean coins will be valuable one day
15:35 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/27/network-difficulty-under-20-million/
15:35 mircea_popescu the good old days.
15:35 ozbot BitBet - Network Difficulty under 20 million.
15:35 Duffer1 hehe
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15:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00088352 = 7.9517 BTC [-]
16:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00088077 = 18.32 BTC [-] {2}
16:10 benkay those crazy chinese http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-okcoin-accused-faking-trading-data/
16:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 402 @ 0.00043098 = 0.1733 BTC [-] {4}
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16:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00088072 = 3.611 BTC [-]
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17:14 kakobrekla hm
17:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2334 @ 0.00088027 = 2.0546 BTC [-]
17:15 kakobrekla got a word from inside of bitstamp, mysql server with no replication and once per day local mysql dump
17:16 Duffer1 no replication?
17:16 fiat500 such redundancy, much integrity, many backup, so wow
17:16 benkay nice
17:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00088352 = 3.8433 BTC [+]
17:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.2929 = 6.4438 BTC [+]
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17:42 benkay ;;ud narpalt
17:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC [+]
17:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
17:58 jurov once per day?
17:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.79378050 BTC to 9`575 shares, 18734 satoshi per share
18:08 mikaeldice This will end well
18:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00087974 = 12.8882 BTC [-] {2}
18:17 mircea_popescu When asked about their shared Catholic faith, Eszterhas said of Gibson, "In my mind, his Catholicism is a figment of his imagination."
18:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
18:30 benkay ;;google the many ways mpex
18:30 gribble Hometown Heroes: Kelsey McClellan | MPEX Experience: <http://mpex-experience.com/2013/11/26/hometown-heroes-kelsey-mcclellan/>; Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108>; Prosoniq MPEX Home Page: <http://mpex.prosoniq.com/>
18:30 benkay man google hates trilema
18:33 benkay $depth S.NSA
18:33 mpexbot benkay: S.NSA Bids: ['46213 @ 0.00012', '50000 @ 0.000107', '54387 @ 0.000105', '20000 @ 0.0001', '1000 @ 0.0001']
18:33 mpexbot benkay: Asks: ['7500 @ 0.00014', '10000 @ 0.00015', '9220 @ 0.00016', '35000 @ 0.00017', '50000 @ 0.00021']
18:34 mircea_popescu google got 10mn from nsa.
18:41 benkay ;;duckduckgo foo
18:41 gribble Error: "duckduckgo" is not a valid command.
18:41 benkay nanotube's an nsa stooge.
18:41 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390
18:41 ozbot Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
18:42 jurov http://imgur.com/a/L8gJF
18:42 ozbot A few gifs I have collected for your perusing. - Imgur
18:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00088038 = 14.4823 BTC [+] {2}
18:49 ThickAsThieves http://chromawallet.com/
18:49 ozbot ChromaWallet
18:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10043 @ 0.00088081 = 8.846 BTC [+]
18:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}
18:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00088376 = 22.094 BTC [+] {2}
19:02 DiabloD3 http://imgur.com/gallery/fAHIYIS
19:04 KRS|Gotyawallet you guys are holding the wrong coin http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/1tcro2/math_proves_everyone_on_earth_will_be_subscribed/
19:05 benkay such outer reaches of cosmos
19:05 benkay real destination infinite
19:05 KRS|Gotyawallet many things!
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19:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11827 @ 0.0008805 = 10.4137 BTC [-] {2}
19:25 benkay $proxies
19:25 mpexbot benkay: ["http://mpex.co", "http://mpex.ws", "http://mpex.bz", "http://mpex.coinbr.com", "http://mpex6.coinbr.com"]
19:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
19:26 jurov drat, doesnt work
19:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29668 @ 0.00087671 = 26.0102 BTC [-] {4}
19:35 benkay seems like none are up
19:37 jurov mpex.co is
19:39 benkay oh you
19:41 benkay http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1354338910_oh-you-93067263235.jpeg
19:44 jurov mpex.coinbr.com fixed
19:44 jurov mpex6.coinbr.com is ipv6 only
19:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20670 @ 0.00087615 = 18.11 BTC [-] {2}
19:45 jurov looks like i went too creative with the spot instance
19:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11513 @ 0.00087589 = 10.0841 BTC [-] {2}
19:50 jurov lol nsa is definitely gobbling up all resources, now $0.02/hr for t1. micro in virginia?
19:50 jurov (as opposed to 0.004 in oregon)
19:53 jurov btw, now s3 supports post requests, it would be worthwhile to build mpex proxy using s3 only
19:53 jurov anyone?
19:59 mircea_popescu mebbe
20:06 benkay s3 as trade interface
20:06 benkay trade interface all the things
20:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
20:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00283389 = 0.1615 BTC [+]
20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087529 = 20.4818 BTC [-] {3}
20:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00087818 = 34.4247 BTC [+]
20:26 benkay !t m s.mpoe
20:26 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00087445 / 0.00088417 / 0.00091105 (939510 shares, 830.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00087445 / 0.00089949 / 0.00091394 (5991164 shares, 5,389.04 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00087086 / 0.00091394 (13560569 shares, 11,809.38 BTC)
20:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00087818 = 15.1486 BTC [+]
20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48888 @ 0.00087445 = 42.7501 BTC [-]
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20:54 benkay ;;calc ((500 - 400) / 400) - 0.0044804
20:54 gribble 0.2455196
20:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00087423 = 29.0244 BTC [-] {3}
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21:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00087356 = 22.1011 BTC [-] {3}
21:31 benkay ;;ticker --market btcavg
21:31 gribble BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 593.43, Best ask: 596.84, Bid-ask spread: 3.41000, Last trade: 594.23, 24 hour volume: 61377.55, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 613.28
21:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36449 @ 0.00087268 = 31.8083 BTC [-] {4}
21:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2651 @ 0.00087125 = 2.3097 BTC [-]
21:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22584 @ 0.00087125 = 19.6763 BTC [-]
21:48 benkay ;;ticker --market btcavg
21:48 gribble BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 590.98, Best ask: 594.3, Bid-ask spread: 3.32000, Last trade: 593.02, 24 hour volume: 61055.72, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 612.54
21:49 benkay davout: what are the delivery venues for X.EUR?
21:50 benkay ah, bitcoin-central. nevermind.
21:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
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22:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2360 @ 0.00281965 = 6.6544 BTC [-] {15}
22:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4125 @ 0.00012 = 0.495 BTC [+]
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22:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28601101 BTC [-]
22:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29484 BTC [+]
22:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29486 BTC [+]
23:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.29610147 = 7.9947 BTC [+] {4}
23:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [+]
23:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.297 = 0.594 BTC [+]
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141200 @ 0.00087239 = 123.1815 BTC [+] {2}
23:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4409 @ 0.00087125 = 3.8413 BTC [-]
23:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00087103 = 24.9115 BTC [-]
23:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14617 @ 0.0008706 = 12.7256 BTC [-]
23:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2132 @ 0.00087223 = 1.8596 BTC [+]
23:48 KRS|Gotyawallet a btc exchange opened in Romania today? cant find anything on it
23:52 mircea_popescu not today, days ago.
23:52 mircea_popescu tis in teh logs.
23:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012 = 0.96 BTC [+]
23:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [+]
23:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41729 @ 0.00086864 = 36.2475 BTC [-] {2}
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