00:42 |
BingoBoingo |
More from the vegetable garden http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ekybn/a_law_enforcement_encounter_if_you_ran_a_bitcoin/ck0n57a |
00:42 |
assbot |
ghtufjfjgjj comments on A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared |
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00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
00:59 |
atcbot |
No data returned from CoinMiner.net |
00:59 |
atcbot |
[PityThePool Hashrate]: 586.41 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.48 TH/s |
01:12 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ticker |
01:13 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 505.3, Best ask: 506.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.07000, Last trade: 505.26, 24 hour volume: 5294.87896913, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 506.98, 24 hour vwap: 502.965397866 |
01:16 |
TheNewDeal |
wow thats a powerful trilema |
01:23 |
BingoBoingo |
I've come up with another theory... What if the government just wants to drive me crazier |
01:23 |
TheNewDeal |
sure you wouldn't be the first one |
01:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00069266 = 8.3466 BTC [+] |
01:28 |
ben_vulpes |
BingoBoingo: you gotta get out of the states, man. |
01:32 |
BingoBoingo |
If I hurry out not I'd probably find myself zipping into a duffel bag before taking a shower or something. Gotta let boredom encompass first. |
01:33 |
BingoBoingo |
You have to realize the most recent blog post was the most rational of possible self defense measures. |
01:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Any impression I might be intentionally hiding the connection between myself and my slave name specifically from law enforcement is gone. |
01:36 |
ben_vulpes |
lol slave name u so dramatic |
01:38 |
* |
BingoBoingo may have read too much W.E.B. Dubois in grad school |
01:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8843 @ 0.00069315 = 6.1295 BTC [+] {3} |
01:52 |
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Bet created: "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ |
01:53 |
TheNewDeal |
;;estimate |
01:53 |
gribble |
Next difficulty estimate | 25737909372.3 based on data since last change | 24383282753.5 based on data for last three days |
01:54 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
01:54 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 317512 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25737909372.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.93988 |
01:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00082077 = 0.8208 BTC [+] {4} |
02:03 |
TheNewDeal |
seems like noone has set the statkes |
02:06 |
BingoBoingo |
!up stripykitteh |
02:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Hello stripykitteh |
02:07 |
stripykitteh |
Hello BingoBoingo |
02:07 |
BingoBoingo |
What brings you around these parts? |
02:08 |
stripykitteh |
I'm a small-time btc investor. I know (by reputation mostly) some of the regulars here. I was just wanting to see if one of them is active at the moment. |
02:09 |
stripykitteh |
ThickAsThieves |
02:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
02:09 |
stripykitteh |
It's OK, I'm not chasing him for money! |
02:10 |
stripykitteh |
Just trying to touch base, but it's not urgent. |
02:17 |
BingoBoingo |
;;seen ThickAsThieves |
02:17 |
gribble |
ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> distracted |
02:18 |
stripykitteh |
Thanks |
02:19 |
stripykitteh |
Might drop in later. |
02:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 901 @ 0.00357458 = 3.2207 BTC [-] {8} |
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02:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Just got the email in "[Slashdot] Your Slashdot submission is on the front page! Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers" |
02:53 |
BingoBoingo |
If anyone wants to ride the impending wave of traffic |
02:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Not sure how I like the editor retitling me to an "early Bitcoin user" |
02:57 |
TheNewDeal |
makes you sound seasoned, imo |
02:58 |
BingoBoingo |
But maybe next year the cutt off for an early user is exposure before $100 |
02:59 |
TheNewDeal |
im not seeing it front page for the moment |
02:59 |
BingoBoingo |
It's coming |
02:59 |
TheNewDeal |
it's not a general thing like you think |
02:59 |
TheNewDeal |
it's like age |
02:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Still "red" http://slashdot.org/story/14/08/26/0131200/early-bitcoin-user-interviewed-by-federal-officers |
02:59 |
assbot |
Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers - Slashdot |
02:59 |
TheNewDeal |
it's subjective, and relative to the age distribution in our environment |
03:00 |
TheNewDeal |
and bitcoin age is like reverse exponential. even a few months of exposure at the very beginning set you light years ahead of people like myself |
03:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, a lot of it too is the pain of not holding onto the things early enough |
03:08 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm going to take a walk up to the gas station and see if the conversation there turns out any better than reddit |
03:11 |
TheNewDeal |
reddit is a joke upon itself |
03:15 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell bingoboingo http://soylentnews.org |
03:15 |
assbot |
SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people |
03:15 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
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03:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62131 @ 0.00069135 = 42.9543 BTC [-] {3} |
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04:05 |
Vexual |
thats the most interesting thing ive read for a while |
04:08 |
pankkake |
BingoBoingo what eventful day? |
04:08 |
pankkake |
I have trouble keeping up |
04:09 |
BingoBoingo |
pankkake: Oh, the FBI, treasury department. In my front yard. |
04:10 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell ben_vulpes What about soylent news? |
04:10 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
04:12 |
pankkake |
supposed slashdot competitor, comments aren't very good either |
04:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
04:16 |
Vexual |
what did they look like? siezing coins is easy or oh fuck it's not ross? |
04:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, they looked like two dudes in polo shirts dressed for golf |
04:19 |
pankkake |
I knew it. I never trusted guys in polo shirts |
04:20 |
BingoBoingo |
So about 300 hits from the /. in the first hour according to Wordpress |
04:21 |
Vexual |
niki minaj eat your heart out |
04:21 |
pankkake |
can't the guy send you a letter instead of showing up unnatended? |
04:21 |
pankkake |
that's just impolite |
04:22 |
BingoBoingo |
pankkake: Well it was two guys. An FBI agent and a department of the Treasury agent |
04:23 |
BingoBoingo |
But yes, a letter or GPG signed email would be prefered |
04:24 |
Vexual |
that wouldn't have scared you into behaving in court |
04:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Well http://van-ads.com/venues shows only 0.01666 bid so far for advertising on the site today, and most of Murica is still asleep so... If anyone wants to hit that market... |
04:30 |
assbot |
Vulpes Ad Network |
04:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29973 @ 0.00069051 = 20.6967 BTC [-] |
04:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6877 @ 0.0006902 = 4.7465 BTC [-] |
04:32 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
https://github.com/LaurentMT/bargaining_protocol |
04:32 |
assbot |
LaurentMT/bargaining_protocol GitHub |
04:34 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
kinda neat - from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754755.0 |
04:34 |
assbot |
[PoC][Draft] The Bargaining Protocol (when BIP70 met the Bazaar) |
04:41 |
|
Bet placed: 3.08800157 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 99(Y):1(N) by coin, 99(Y):1(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.18800157 BTC. Current weight: 99,905. |
04:42 |
pankkake |
lol, what's the point of this bet |
04:46 |
Vexual |
its a bet that bitfury wont get handed another $20 million by nye |
04:46 |
Vexual |
40? |
04:47 |
Vexual |
;;google 45dd silicone |
04:47 |
gribble |
Summary - Fda - Food and Drug Administration: <http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/pdf11/K111747.pdf>; 46DD Bras | Bare Necessities: <http://www.barenecessities.com/46DD-Bras_catalog_nxs,31,size,1070.htm>; B to DD Breast Augmentation Before and After Photos - Breast ...: <http://www.breastimplantsusa.com/before-after-photos/breast-augmentation/size/B-to-DD.htm> |
04:51 |
Vexual |
weirder shit happens |
04:56 |
Vexual |
mr avalon himslef is back hashing at ozcoin,theres hashes coming verywheres |
04:59 |
Vexual |
that haz my karma index up |
05:01 |
Vexual |
;;seen truffles |
05:01 |
gribble |
truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over |
05:13 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMQksXpQSk perhaps graet might open a pipe to iceland |
05:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00068988 = 31.631 BTC [-] {2} |
05:18 |
Vexual |
sure as shit the guy has some capital losses |
05:30 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM white on white |
05:44 |
pankkake |
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/08/the_problems_wi_4.html lol schneier calls it a "good post" |
05:44 |
assbot |
Schneier on Security: The Problems with PGP |
05:46 |
pankkake |
http://www.bortzmeyer.org/securite-facilite.html good article if you can read this glorious language |
05:46 |
assbot |
Blog Stphane Bortzmeyer: Scurit, facilit d'usage, et les utilisateurs non-informaticiens |
05:48 |
Vexual |
what does it say? |
05:50 |
pankkake |
some of my pet peeves, that the issue with security and encryption won't be solved by magical dumbed down GUIs |
05:51 |
Vexual |
no, the french one |
05:54 |
pankkake |
yes, that one |
05:54 |
Vexual |
oh |
05:57 |
Vexual |
namaste |
06:07 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
06:07 |
atcbot |
No data returned from CoinMiner.net |
06:07 |
atcbot |
[PityThePool Hashrate]: 852.12 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.15 TH/s |
06:08 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
06:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: lol slave name u so dramatic << made me lol too. |
06:10 |
mircea_popescu |
methinks he is trying to appear crazier than i! |
06:10 |
Vexual |
that was bingo |
06:10 |
mircea_popescu |
Vexual yeah sorry vex, he's got you beat. |
06:10 |
Vexual |
really? |
06:11 |
Vexual |
i dont know |
06:11 |
mircea_popescu |
stripykitteh: I'm a small-time btc investor. I know (by reputation mostly) some of the regulars here. I was just wanting to see if one of them is active at the moment. <<< with a name like that, you know what i thought she wants. but then, imagine my surprise when a twist appears! |
06:11 |
Vexual |
im a bit behind |
06:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Vexual "you're not a little behind to us ; you're a large one" :D |
06:11 |
Vexual |
urd urd |
06:12 |
Vexual |
yes yes |
06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: Just got the email in "[Slashdot] Your Slashdot submission is on the front page! Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers" <<< if you had a podcast and made slashdot fp two times less, you'd practically be antonopopo guy. |
06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
but no, you had to go and ruin it. |
06:14 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake: I knew it. I never trusted guys in polo shirts << i never trust women wearing panties. |
06:17 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake re the article, which is not bad if banal (sure, ease of use is completely orthogonal to the discussion , big whoop) the one question in my mind is why write in french if all the sources one quotes are in english. |
06:18 |
pankkake |
he wrote some articles in English, I don't think they had much following. I suppose it's because of the existing (significant) readership |
06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
ic. |
06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
but then... he shoul;d prolly translate the references ? |
06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
how are these people going to understand wtf is the context if they cant read english. |
06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
(don't mind me, it's like a point i've been doing a lot of thinking on so i guess oversensitized) |
06:21 |
pankkake |
it's more of a silly prideful refusal to read things in English. but since they started reading the main article, they might read the links |
06:21 |
pankkake |
or lazyness I don't know |
06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
06:22 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo lol at the b-a haters making throwaway reddit accts to shit on your post. THIS IS HOW TO WIN! |
06:25 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a bishop from Birmingham who deflowered young girls while confirming 'em. As they knelt on the hassock he lifted his cassock and slipped his episcopal worm in 'em. |
06:25 |
Vexual |
gasp |
06:26 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a clergyman's daughter who detested the pony he bought her 'till she found that its dong was as hard and as long as the prayers her father had taught her. |
06:27 |
Vexual |
oh no u didn |
06:28 |
Vexual |
regailing his life to his offsping |
06:28 |
Vexual |
a deadman was making an offering |
06:28 |
mircea_popescu |
These scions of the Noble House Kelley lived their whole life belly to belly because in their haste they used library paste instead of petroleum jelly. |
06:29 |
Vexual |
bwahahaha |
06:29 |
Vexual |
he got haldway through |
06:29 |
Vexual |
stepped in some poo |
06:31 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a Duchess of Bruges whose cunt was unspeakably huge. Said the duke to this dame as he thunderously came: "Mon Dieu! Apres moi, le deluge!" |
06:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19740 @ 0.00069193 = 13.6587 BTC [+] {2} |
06:33 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a fencer named Fisk whose speed was incredibly brisk. So fast was his action the Fitzgerald contraction foreshortened his foil to a disk. |
06:34 |
* |
mircea_popescu waves at logreader peoples. |
06:34 |
* |
Vexual waves his log for no reson whatsohaveyou |
06:34 |
Vexual |
ejrtr do you find these gems? |
06:35 |
Vexual |
and what rhymes with offering? |
06:36 |
mircea_popescu |
smattering |
06:36 |
Vexual |
he said nah tin lids, im just jesting |
06:36 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a gangster named Brown, the sneakiest bastard in town.He was caught by G-men shooting his semen where the cops would slip and fall down. << should be on bingoboingo's prison cell. |
06:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7810 @ 0.00069425 = 5.4221 BTC [+] |
06:39 |
Vexual |
laser scanner, 3d printer, latex: $2500 |
06:39 |
Vexual |
passing bad check with the cop who hasseled you face: pricless |
06:40 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a girl named Irene who snarfed up distilled kerosene, but she found a good bargain on a new hydrocarbon and since then she's never benzene. |
06:41 |
Vexual |
zingaling |
06:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00069127 = 3.1107 BTC [-] |
06:45 |
Vexual |
while patiently waiting to travel |
06:45 |
Vexual |
an asset'er dint unravel |
06:45 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a girl named Louise whose cunt hair hung down to her knees. The crabs in her twat tied the hairs in a knot an' reached fame on the flying trapeze. |
06:47 |
Vexual |
and so shall my blog |
06:47 |
Vexual |
tell of you knobs |
06:47 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a girl named Mcgoffin who was diddled amazingly often. She was diddled by scores who'd been turned down by whores and then laid out to waste in her coffin. |
06:47 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
06:49 |
Vexual |
polo maleets repla-ced by gavels |
06:50 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla. |
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06:50 |
mircea_popescu |
s/of/for |
06:56 |
mircea_popescu |
There was once a lawyer named Rex known for his diminutive sex. On arraign for exposure he maintained his composure : "De minimis non curat lex." |
06:56 |
Vexual |
here have a weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQZGPnn5b5E |
06:58 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a man from Nantucket who kept all his cash in a bucket. His daughter called Nan ran away with a man and as for the bucket... Nantucket. |
07:00 |
Vexual |
thats a goodun |
07:03 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgm6EYzwxpg |
07:03 |
mircea_popescu |
There was once a miner named Dave who kept a dead whore in his cave. She was ugly as shit and missing one tit, but think of the money he saves! |
07:06 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a sad Maitre d'Hotel who said, "They can all go to hell! What they do to my wife...why, it ruins my life! And the worst is they all do it well." |
07:07 |
mircea_popescu |
There once was a son of a bitch, neither clever, nor handsome, nor rich. Yet the girls he would dazzle and fuck to a frazzle, and then ditch them, the son of a bitch! |
07:15 |
Vexual |
hi nubbules |
07:16 |
Vexual |
jow many cougars did you ruin today? |
07:20 |
Vexual |
hiw much to shit to rural oz from rural canadia? |
07:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00068854 = 10.6035 BTC [-] {2} |
07:24 |
Vexual |
!up mius |
07:25 |
Vexual |
panic |
07:26 |
Vexual |
one foot on the grounded ery time |
07:28 |
Vexual |
a cuntess describ-ed by vitrue |
07:29 |
Vexual |
whose diamonds wheres purplish and blue |
07:30 |
Vexual |
went to the wrong house |
07:30 |
Vexual |
the poor little mouse |
07:34 |
Vexual |
but exploded and took with her a few |
07:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3752 @ 0.000688 = 2.5814 BTC [-] {2} |
07:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00075001 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3} |
07:41 |
Vexual |
not sure if i have enuff dev coin to cover all this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbWSExg47Y |
07:47 |
Vexual |
dtones no longer safe on earth, war is coming |
07:52 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FE194VN6c4 |
07:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16398 @ 0.0006872 = 11.2687 BTC [-] |
08:00 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiAQ9xQQHeQ dont fuck with the government |
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08:19 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwhXDZDGRw all ladies shaved |
08:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 805 @ 0.0008225 = 0.6621 BTC [+] |
08:25 |
punkman |
Βεξουαλ |
08:26 |
punkman |
o wrong language |
08:28 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qk2XIlHbeM |
08:29 |
mircea_popescu |
lol it's not vexoual |
08:30 |
mircea_popescu |
it's prolly Βεξyαλ |
08:31 |
punkman |
we only got capital Y |
08:31 |
punkman |
it'd be βεξθαλ actually |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no teetha in blowjob. |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman what do you mean "we" anyway ? you're not greek are you ? |
08:33 |
punkman |
kinda yeah |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahh |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
well that changes things, i was derping with the squiggly letters in like articles and whatnot on the general understanding that nobody knows wtf they are. |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ima have to get a different obscure alphabet now. |
08:34 |
punkman |
lots of them in the unicodes |
08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
ima start quioting raw, unadorned oriya |
08:37 |
Vexual |
please do |
08:39 |
punkman |
girl just sent me this retarded thing: http://www.inderwear.com/73-lingerie-string/4087-string-lateral-flash-rouge-alter.html |
08:39 |
assbot |
String Latéral Flash Rouge Alter |
08:40 |
Vexual |
the eyeshave it |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
ନମସ୍ତେ << namaste. |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman you know what ? that's quite greek |
08:40 |
punkman |
is that oriya? irc client don't have enough font for it |
08:41 |
mircea_popescu |
may be the oldest cut in history. |
08:41 |
Vexual |
mine doeth but i can read it |
08:41 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman yeah it is |
08:41 |
Vexual |
*'t |
08:42 |
punkman |
don't think this cut works for underwear |
08:42 |
Vexual |
dont need it in the pradesh |
08:43 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman i mean literally, athletes 3500 years ago wore the exact garment. |
08:43 |
punkman |
orly? |
08:43 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty sure ya |
08:43 |
mircea_popescu |
well there were a number of cock dispositions, mostly consisting on tying it to one side somehow |
08:45 |
Vexual |
id wear trousers |
08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
trousers weren't invented yet. |
08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
actually skirts were not really invented either. it was either this or wear a sheet. |
08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman http://www.inderwear.com/73-lingerie-string/12571-string-lateral-flash-argent-alter.html << much better example. total cuckoldwear. |
08:46 |
assbot |
String Latéral Flash Argent Alter |
08:46 |
Vexual |
sheet then, but im thinking of today, not 3000 yago |
08:47 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58RSC7HO9aU |
08:48 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: they did a lot of sport in the nude afaik |
08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
well yes, but you still gotta do something with the dangly. |
08:49 |
Vexual |
let it dangle |
08:49 |
punkman |
tie a string to it |
08:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/under-15-difficulty-increase-before-2015/ << anyone comprehend wtf the markov chains are on about ? |
08:49 |
assbot |
BitBet - Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 3.15 B (99%) on Yes, 0.04 B (1%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 days | weight: 99`765 (100`000 to 1) |
08:49 |
Vexual |
mining? |
08:55 |
Vexual |
its a thing |
09:01 |
Vexual |
moriarty fuck you arsehat |
09:02 |
Vexual |
ill spoon feed you kaka |
09:03 |
Vexual |
and take your wife |
09:03 |
Apocalyptic |
Vexual, is he still spamming his channel in pm ? |
09:03 |
Vexual |
no, that was for the other day |
09:04 |
punkman |
whos that |
09:04 |
Vexual |
sych affect |
09:05 |
Apocalyptic |
some random troll |
09:05 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2VR9YJDQ5Q |
09:05 |
assbot |
Omar Faruk Tekbilek - Whirling Dervish - YouTube |
09:16 |
Vexual |
incite is okay |
09:16 |
Vexual |
what follows cannot be forgiven |
09:17 |
Vexual |
i will eat his marrow |
09:17 |
Vexual |
my dogs will |
09:19 |
Vexual |
;;google alibaba mean tenderiser injectavle |
09:19 |
gribble |
No matches found. |
09:22 |
chetty |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-forces-cross-border-in-tanks-armored-vehicles/2014/08/25/8cb7d1d4-2c3f-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html |
09:22 |
assbot |
Ukraine says Russian forces cross border in tanks, armored vehicles - The Washington Post |
09:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32151 @ 0.00069085 = 22.2115 BTC [+] {2} |
09:23 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty unless they start crossing in frigates and submarines, they've crossed it in everything by now. |
09:24 |
chetty |
someone should write an obit for the ukraine |
09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
may be too soon. |
09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
this is only the... hm. 5th time it's divvied up by greedy neighbours ? |
09:25 |
Vexual |
wait till south china sea blows up |
09:27 |
Vexual |
rocks with fish can cause wars |
09:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2011/platforma-unui-posibil-partid-conservator-roman/#comment-106644 << best spam ever. |
09:28 |
assbot |
Platforma unui posibil partid conservator roman pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
09:29 |
mircea_popescu |
guy put his message through gt, ended up rendering Hello I am David Chambers as Hello I am David Rooms. |
09:34 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRxYNTH-5Go |
09:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2879 = 0.5758 BTC [-] |
09:38 |
mircea_popescu |
!up yhwh_ |
09:39 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCsyKspLQpQ nigger fuck yor couch |
09:40 |
Vexual |
i mean that in the nicest way |
09:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!up antonosika |
09:41 |
Vexual |
konistakia |
09:42 |
antonosika |
mircea, I have been too busy to follow the updates on ethereum, but I feel like finishing what I started. How do you feel about a 2015 delivery contract? |
09:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8349 @ 0.00069281 = 5.7843 BTC [+] |
09:43 |
mircea_popescu |
alright. |
09:44 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHCdS7O248g |
09:44 |
Vexual |
blondie. rapture. |
09:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
I see I missed stripeykitteh |
09:47 |
Vexual |
shes not chasing you for moeny |
09:47 |
chetty |
http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/26/suntrust-bank-chokes-3-legal-enterprises-government-behest/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social |
09:47 |
assbot |
This Bank Choked Off 3 Legal Enterprises. Is It Yours? |
09:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
mircea_popescu do you think it's worth legally pursuing kate-craig over these BTCTC bonds she's not honored? |
09:48 |
Vexual |
thats the shittiest bank ive ever heard of |
09:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
worth it* |
09:48 |
Vexual |
you'd need a third kinda lawyer |
09:49 |
kakobrekla |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv93erCIYAAZhuj.png:large |
09:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
well suntrust is southerners i think, they hate everything that happened after the 80s |
09:49 |
jurov |
kakobrekla lol where's it from? SAP? |
09:49 |
Vexual |
like trannies? |
09:49 |
kakobrekla |
lol dunno |
09:50 |
antonosika |
Mircea is it officially best to have all communication here in the chat for transparency? |
09:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
he seems to prefer that |
09:50 |
Vexual |
you what yo ulike antonia |
09:50 |
antonosika |
As you might have noticed my abilities on keeping up with irc are very lacking. |
09:51 |
Vexual |
ima dcc u somepin |
09:52 |
Vexual |
ooh u liek that? |
09:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
all i see is red http://exchangewar.info/ |
09:54 |
assbot |
Exchange war: list of crypto-exchanges |
09:54 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs |
09:55 |
Vexual |
cool shit tat |
09:55 |
Vexual |
never seen that |
09:56 |
Vexual |
ok coin changed 130000 bc for old money in the last 24 hours? |
09:57 |
kakobrekla |
cex has only 500btc volume eh |
09:57 |
Vexual |
yeah peole are well aware they might make off with te coin |
09:58 |
Vexual |
all kinds of lies |
09:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah china bots it up hard |
09:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
but their order books arent any thicker than others |
10:00 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWw bad bullshit is bad bullshit, punishable by death |
10:04 |
Vexual |
im not isis, im just being realistic |
10:05 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ld-3nZUxA |
10:06 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> mircea_popescu do you think it's worth legally pursuing kate-craig over these BTCTC bonds she's not honored? <<< generally getting judgements against deadbeats is not productive. |
10:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so depends what your definition of "worth" is. |
10:07 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty what's "legal" mean ? it's a police state, if the govt don't like you you're illegal, full stop. |
10:07 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika yes. |
10:08 |
antonosika |
mircea how do we proceed? |
10:09 |
mircea_popescu |
<kakobrekla> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv93erCIYAAZhuj.png:large << is this "preparing a new generation of bright young coders to take advantage of the opportunities offered by quantum computing" ? |
10:09 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika how much were you buying again ? |
10:09 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
10:10 |
antonosika |
3.0 |
10:10 |
antonosika |
BTC |
10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
silenceisdefeat.com ? holy shit, bangalore marketplaces must have won. |
10:11 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
10:11 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.0, Best ask: 510.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 510.01, 24 hour volume: 6092.61347852, 24 hour low: 499.0, 24 hour high: 512.0, 24 hour vwap: 505.970175212 |
10:11 |
Vexual |
i could drop by on my way to turkey to take my bride |
10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident antonosika |
10:12 |
gribble |
Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified. |
10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika first step would be you get in the wot. |
10:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.0006887 = 32.7133 BTC [-] {3} |
10:15 |
thestringpuller |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ekybn/a_law_enforcement_encounter_if_you_ran_a_bitcoin/ck0klt5 |
10:15 |
assbot |
paleh0rse comments on A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared |
10:15 |
thestringpuller |
oops |
10:15 |
thestringpuller |
>:( |
10:15 |
Vexual |
lol |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://origin.dailysignal.com/wp-content/uploads/choke-point-high-risk-list.jpg check out the white house hate list. |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
travel clubs ? dating services ? coin sellers ? |
10:16 |
Vexual |
bingo dont bullshit much |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
escort fucking services ? who is this nigger, a graft between everything johnson and carter had objectionable between them ?! |
10:19 |
Vexual |
he gonna swear on his wot, not the bible |
10:21 |
Vexual |
disasterous |
10:21 |
Vexual |
find the gpd within |
10:21 |
Vexual |
&gpg |
10:21 |
gribble |
Error: "gpg" is not a valid command. |
10:22 |
assbot |
antonosika +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
10:23 |
chetty |
<mircea_popescu> escort fucking services ? who is this nigger, a graft between everything johnson and carter had objectionable between them ?!// hmm what happened to the gun shops and churches? |
10:23 |
chetty |
!up antonosika |
10:23 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs 80 million hits per week, deal with it |
10:23 |
antonosika |
;;ident antonosika |
10:23 |
gribble |
Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is identified as user 'antonosika', with GPG key id 86AC5789F93ED2E7, key fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7, and bitcoin address None |
10:23 |
antonosika |
mircea I hope you apoligize me as a learning beginner. |
10:24 |
antonosika |
What's more? |
10:29 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0 took iggy all year |
10:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> generally getting judgements against deadbeats is not productive. /// that has been my position so far. "worth it" would be getting the bonds redeemed for the bitcoins, or getting a similarly valued pile of cash |
10:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dont care about punishing her or whatever |
10:33 |
Vexual |
loar |
10:33 |
Vexual |
how much i sit? |
10:34 |
Vexual |
is she mining? |
10:35 |
Vexual |
doge? |
10:36 |
pete_dushenski |
;;ud daffodil |
10:36 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Daffodil | Daffodil. The opposite of a whore. A girl who is always good and never does anything bad and never gets in trouble. They always act like angels and get good ... |
10:37 |
pete_dushenski |
also synonym for modafinil, "an oral drug that is used for improving wakefulness in patients with excessive sleepiness" |
10:37 |
antonosika |
mircea Please continue about how to proceed. |
10:37 |
pete_dushenski |
from the nicki minaj lyric... |
10:39 |
pete_dushenski |
"He toss my salad like his name Romaine, And when we done, I make him buy me Balmain" |
10:40 |
pete_dushenski |
"I wanna see all the big fat ass bitches in the muthafuckin' club. Fuck you if you skinny bitches, what?! Kyuh" |
10:40 |
Vexual |
20 million in 2 days aisnt no shit |
10:40 |
pete_dushenski |
and this has been your pop culture otd |
10:41 |
mod6 |
poetry |
10:41 |
Vexual |
imma play it again |
10:41 |
Vexual |
the one without her vid has 10 mill bit thats 2 motnhs |
10:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+Vexual> how much i sit? is she mining? /// roughly $70k. god knows. |
10:44 |
Vexual |
ltc gon south lately is that old money? |
10:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
ltc will copy btc during time of volatility and then die otherwise |
10:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
for now at least |
10:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
i still think chinese are running some kinda btcusd ltcbtc scheme |
10:45 |
Vexual |
is that your anal isis? |
10:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
yesuur |
10:45 |
Vexual |
half a pill? |
10:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
no thx |
10:46 |
Vexual |
cifermine is vetter off mining doge if they want bc |
10:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
they are better of mining gold |
10:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
off |
10:46 |
Vexual |
ltcglobal and shit |
10:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
corporate espionage |
10:47 |
Vexual |
i watch the rate make no mistake |
10:48 |
Vexual |
you're mainly concerned with the bond? |
10:50 |
Vexual |
ill bring my spreadsheets to court if you spoof my fingerprimts fpr a visa |
10:50 |
kakobrekla |
antonosika http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets |
10:50 |
assbot |
first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] |
10:51 |
antonosika |
Thanks. |
10:51 |
antonosika |
;;gettrust antonosika |
10:51 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user antonosika to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=antonosika&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: never |
10:52 |
antonosika |
;;gettrust |
10:52 |
gribble |
(gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust |
10:53 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMQksXpQSk yeah im an expert cunt |
10:54 |
Vexual |
!up antonosika |
10:55 |
antonosika |
I'm a huge fan of bitcoin-assets and try to hang out here when I can. What is really needed to get auto-voice? |
10:56 |
Vexual |
scriptness at your end |
10:56 |
pankkake |
;;gettrust assbot antonosika |
10:56 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user assbot to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: never |
10:56 |
pankkake |
you need l1 or l2 trust |
10:56 |
pankkake |
;;rate antonosika 1 bitcoin-assets +v |
10:56 |
Vexual |
are you suchwow? |
10:56 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user antonosika has been recorded. |
10:56 |
pankkake |
;;gettrust assbot antonosika |
10:56 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user assbot to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 10:56:36 2014 |
10:57 |
pankkake |
now you just have to /msg assbot !up |
10:57 |
antonosika |
nope I am not |
10:57 |
pete_dushenski |
"People are freaking out on Burger King's Facebook page over the burger chain's moving its headquarters to Canada. |
10:57 |
pete_dushenski |
The American fast-food chain has agreed to merge with Canadian coffee and donut chain Tim Hortons." |
10:57 |
antonosika |
Thanks Pankkake. |
10:57 |
pete_dushenski |
lol such patriots those bk guys |
10:58 |
antonosika |
Are there any good resources for guidelines on giving away trust levels? |
10:58 |
pankkake |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation maybe |
10:58 |
assbot |
wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] |
10:59 |
Vexual |
good dog |
11:00 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr_uHJPUlO8 doge |
11:03 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/505354.html |
11:04 |
pete_dushenski |
Russia Wants Bulgarians to Stop Vandalizing Soviet Monuments... to look like American superheroes |
11:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00068585 = 21.2614 BTC [-] {3} |
11:13 |
Vexual |
pankakke, things have changed |
11:19 |
Vexual |
80 million hits really kick sthe llamas ass |
11:20 |
Vexual |
15% all year is possible |
11:20 |
pete_dushenski |
Vexual: big mebbe |
11:20 |
Vexual |
yeah big mebe big silicone |
11:20 |
pete_dushenski |
pankkake: http://www.bortzmeyer.org/securite-facilite.html good article if you can read this glorious language << mhm |
11:20 |
assbot |
Blog Stphane Bortzmeyer: Scurit, facilit d'usage, et les utilisateurs non-informaticiens |
11:20 |
Vexual |
id bet no |
11:20 |
pete_dushenski |
same |
11:21 |
Vexual |
but if it went the other way i wouldnt be too sursprised |
11:22 |
Vexual |
these people lost the marshall auction |
11:23 |
Vexual |
however 15% in december will melt some inut vag |
11:23 |
pete_dushenski |
who are "these people?" |
11:24 |
Vexual |
well whoever is buting hasg |
11:24 |
pete_dushenski |
i could see an average of 15% but that's an average |
11:24 |
pete_dushenski |
a hm not sure they're the same folks |
11:25 |
pete_dushenski |
i think the marshall auction loozers invested in exchanges and things |
11:25 |
pete_dushenski |
as they do |
11:25 |
Vexual |
yeah |
11:25 |
Vexual |
and they mine |
11:25 |
pete_dushenski |
there was that korean one, the mexican one, the indian one... |
11:25 |
Vexual |
? |
11:26 |
Vexual |
korea gonna be playin elora soon |
11:26 |
pete_dushenski |
dunno. was talking about exchanges, payment processors, etc |
11:26 |
pete_dushenski |
i think the koreans will stick with starcraft for at least another 100 years |
11:27 |
pete_dushenski |
i don't blame them one bit either, it's not to be improved on |
11:28 |
Vexual |
how many korean play starcraft? |
11:30 |
Vexual |
1% of those play shitty fuck on android too, its a big bad world |
11:34 |
Vexual |
i can dial up an multiplaey wad on my old nintendo and theres hundresds there |
11:34 |
Vexual |
!up Flerb |
11:35 |
Vexual |
!up Flerb__ |
11:35 |
Flerb__ |
Thanks |
11:36 |
Flerb__ |
BTM's IPO just finished. Odd, buyers bidding really really low prices |
11:36 |
Flerb__ |
Asks are at IPO price |
11:37 |
Vexual |
!down Flerb__ |
11:38 |
Vexual |
!doen Flerb |
11:38 |
Vexual |
!down Flerb |
11:38 |
Vexual |
go back to denmark u horse fucker |
11:39 |
pankkake |
lol nice |
11:40 |
Vexual |
truth hurts |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58638980 BTC to 15`044 shares, 10545 satoshi per share |
12:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 9.61389968 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 836 satoshi per share |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
12:19 |
assbot |
Flerb__ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
12:19 |
fluffypony |
oh no way - Richard Attenborough died yesterday |
12:19 |
fluffypony |
!up Flerb__ |
12:20 |
Flerb__ |
Thanks, how do I get to "level 2" |
12:20 |
Flerb__ |
fluffypony, I thought it was David Attenborough at first |
12:20 |
Flerb__ |
What do I have to do to establish trust with gribble? |
12:20 |
fluffypony |
L1 is a direct trust relationship with assbot |
12:21 |
fluffypony |
L2 is somebody-assbot-trusts-also-trusts-you |
12:21 |
Flerb__ |
OK |
12:21 |
Flerb__ |
So I need to rate assbot |
12:21 |
Flerb__ |
Or something. |
12:21 |
Flerb__ |
I'm confused |
12:21 |
fluffypony |
no, the other way around |
12:21 |
fluffypony |
assbot would have to rate you |
12:22 |
fluffypony |
or someone assbot as rated would have to rate you |
12:24 |
Flerb__ |
OK. So can you trust me? |
12:24 |
Flerb__ |
*rate |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
what for? |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
I don't even know you |
12:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [-] |
12:28 |
Duffer1 |
are you Flerb__ or Flerb? |
12:28 |
chetty |
http://www.csoonline.com/article/2597556/social-engineering/fbi-issues-warning-about-creative-google-searches.html |
12:28 |
assbot |
FBI issues warning about creative Google searches | CSO Online |
12:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.285 = 1.425 BTC [-] |
12:33 |
punkman |
deego: But, really, this is not the only one issue. I have had so many attempts at id theft here and irl that it's annoying beyond belief and I just wish to frigging disappear from otc. So, please do remove my ratings, everyone. :) |
12:33 |
Flerb__ |
Duffer1, both |
12:34 |
Flerb |
Now I'm Flerb |
12:34 |
Duffer1 |
i mean which one are you authed as? |
12:34 |
Duffer1 |
gpg |
12:34 |
Flerb |
Duffer1, Flerb |
12:34 |
Flerb |
Are you supposed to actually do something to get trust? |
12:34 |
Duffer1 |
;;rate Flerb 1 a for effort |
12:34 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Flerb has been recorded. |
12:35 |
Duffer1 |
you should be able to !up yourself now |
12:37 |
Flerb |
OK |
12:37 |
Flerb |
Thanks |
12:37 |
Flerb |
a for effort? |
12:37 |
Duffer1 |
just a comment so i don't forget why i rated you |
12:37 |
Duffer1 |
;;gettrust Flerb |
12:37 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Flerb!~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123. Trust relationship from user Duffer1 to user Flerb: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Duffer1&dest=Flerb | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Flerb | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 12:34:19 2014 |
12:38 |
ben_vulpes |
damn BingoBoingo you're racking up the hits |
12:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6497 @ 0.00068747 = 4.4665 BTC [+] |
12:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 54 @ 0.0370184 = 1.999 BTC [-] {6} |
12:42 |
kakobrekla |
!up Flerb |
12:43 |
ben_vulpes |
<kakobrekla> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv93erCIYAAZhuj.png:large << hooooo |
12:43 |
Flerb |
Thanks |
12:43 |
Flerb |
Didn't need it now though |
12:43 |
ben_vulpes |
now that's programming with time as a first class principle! |
12:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 49 @ 0.04940815 = 2.421 BTC [+] {5} |
12:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00250591 = 0.5012 BTC [-] {5} |
| |
~ 28 minutes ~ |
13:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.27094569 = 12.7344 BTC [-] {10} |
13:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2672 = 1.0688 BTC [-] {3} |
13:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13775 @ 0.00068757 = 9.4713 BTC [+] {2} |
13:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [-] {2} |
13:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1449 @ 0.00083251 = 1.2063 BTC [+] {9} |
13:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1707 @ 0.00085265 = 1.4555 BTC [+] {3} |
| |
~ 33 minutes ~ |
14:05 |
assbot |
Flerb +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
14:05 |
Apocalyptic |
!up Flerb |
14:05 |
Flerb |
Thanks |
14:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1277 @ 0.000861 = 1.0995 BTC [-] |
14:27 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Flerb |
14:29 |
Flerb |
Thank you |
14:33 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.operationfabulous.com/advertiser/index.php?e=list |
14:33 |
assbot |
Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins. |
14:35 |
punkman |
heh http://opfab.net/still/ |
14:35 |
assbot |
We're Still Here! - Operation FabulousOperation Fabulous |
14:42 |
jurov |
antonosika: you do SEPA? |
14:42 |
assbot |
Flerb +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
14:44 |
antonosika |
jurov: I do. Why? |
14:46 |
fluffypony |
;;ud Charzarding |
14:46 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Charzarding | Oct 5, 2010 ... Charzarding is when you light a girls pubes on fire then put it out with your jizz and flap your arms saying "you do not have enough badges to ... |
14:50 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Flerb |
14:56 |
danielpbarron |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
14:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
hey Daniel |
14:56 |
danielpbarron |
hello |
14:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its a good article by preston byrne |
14:57 |
danielpbarron |
who is this preston byrne guy and is he in here already? |
14:57 |
danielpbarron |
ya |
14:57 |
BlueMeanie4 |
he's a lawyer that deals in crypto space |
14:57 |
BlueMeanie4 |
brit |
14:57 |
punkman |
http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-we-teach-basic-reading-comprehension-to-a-certain-mr-preston-byrne/ |
14:57 |
assbot |
In which we teach basic reading comprehension to a certain Mr. Preston Byrne pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
14:57 |
BlueMeanie4 |
that whole gang of people are just making big problems |
14:58 |
danielpbarron |
i had a feeling i saw that name somewhere |
14:58 |
BlueMeanie4 |
they kicked Charles out of ethereum then announce a partnership with his other project |
14:58 |
BlueMeanie4 |
that doesnt sound sketchy at all, right? |
14:59 |
* |
danielpbarron shrugs |
15:00 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what happened to Mastercoin? |
15:01 |
BlueMeanie4 |
also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? |
15:02 |
danielpbarron |
might want to use a ;;later tell -- he's not logged in at the moment |
15:02 |
fluffypony |
lol mastercoin |
15:03 |
BlueMeanie4 |
you guys are IRC geniuses around here |
15:03 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Vitalik was invovled in Mastercoin too, seems ppl forget that |
15:03 |
BlueMeanie4 |
onto the next P&D |
15:03 |
danielpbarron |
i never liked mastercoin; counterparty always seemed like the better choice (putting aside the idiocy of a decentralized exchange) |
15:04 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the ppl at counterparty are at least reliable |
15:04 |
BlueMeanie4 |
yes there are flaws with their ideas, but it can be used for some things |
15:05 |
danielpbarron |
i'm getting use out of it |
15:05 |
BlueMeanie4 |
yes their claims are reliable, which is important |
15:05 |
danielpbarron |
like how a boy gets use out of a toy truck |
15:05 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ha yes |
15:05 |
BlueMeanie4 |
good metaphor |
15:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
it can't be used for serious money making |
15:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
but Bitshares is just a nightmare con job |
15:07 |
BlueMeanie4 |
re. counterparty- they are blazing the trail- let them do it and spend someone else money :) |
15:08 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Rome wasnt built in a day |
15:10 |
danielpbarron |
the counterparty devs probably made out well with that project; the price of XCP is well over the initial burn price |
15:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
im sure they brought some in, it's not a crime |
15:12 |
fluffypony |
"After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" |
15:12 |
fluffypony |
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Action-Comics-1-June-1938-Supermans-Debut-CGC-9-0-Perfect-White-Pages-/311050328393 |
15:12 |
assbot |
Action Comics 1 June 1938 Superman 039 s Debut CGC 9 0 Perfect White Pages | eBay |
15:12 |
fluffypony |
that's going to be a fun PayPal dispute |
15:14 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i owned TMNT #1 at one point. sold it. |
15:19 |
danielpbarron |
;;echo BlueMeanie4, get in the WoT! [eregister] |
15:19 |
gribble |
BlueMeanie4, get in the WoT! (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' (1 more message) |
15:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00068663 = 30.5894 BTC [-] {2} |
15:24 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ok |
15:24 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so what keyserver do i use/ |
15:25 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Is Coinroll the 3rd Van Customer, or have people other than Mircea and Myself been buying ads? |
15:25 |
* |
danielpbarron has been considering buying an ad |
15:25 |
danielpbarron |
also considering buying nubbins`'s new print |
15:26 |
danielpbarron |
;;later tell nubbins` you accept PPUSD for payment? |
15:26 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
15:27 |
danielpbarron |
BlueMeanie4, whichever key-server is used as the default for gnupg (i think) |
15:27 |
danielpbarron |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
15:27 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ok |
15:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, 4th customer. Forgot WoL |
15:30 |
danielpbarron |
BlueMeanie4, http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ << this one |
15:30 |
assbot |
SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server |
15:30 |
danielpbarron |
at least, that's the one -otc references with ;;gpg info |
15:31 |
danielpbarron |
lol! https://twitter.com/prestonjbyrne/status/504350202002567168 |
15:31 |
assbot |
Your own Fort Knox. http://t.co/KWtYswD7e0 |
15:32 |
danielpbarron |
stupid assbot, this is the main part: "@danielpbarron I suspect I am beyond redemption on #bitcoin-assets. Send everyone my regards though." |
15:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535 |
15:32 |
danielpbarron |
;;echo BlueMeanie4, don't forget the ;; |
15:32 |
gribble |
BlueMeanie4, don't forget the ;; |
15:32 |
danielpbarron |
also, leave out the 0x |
15:33 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535 |
15:33 |
gribble |
Error: '0x51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id. |
15:33 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535 |
15:33 |
gribble |
Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id. |
15:33 |
danielpbarron |
and leave out the 515... too; you want the last 16 or 8 characters |
15:33 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535 ;; |
15:33 |
gribble |
Error: '0x51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id. |
15:33 |
danielpbarron |
the key id is the last 8 characters of the fingerprint |
15:34 |
danielpbarron |
ah, it wants long form |
15:34 |
BlueMeanie4 |
last 8 chars of the fingerprint? |
15:34 |
BlueMeanie4 |
? |
15:34 |
danielpbarron |
last 16 |
15:34 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the fingerprint is 1FD2 7380 0859 479E AE75 77AD DCB3 74BF 5158 7535 |
15:35 |
danielpbarron |
so try this: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535 |
15:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535 ;; |
15:36 |
gribble |
(eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message) |
15:36 |
danielpbarron |
don't end with ;; |
15:37 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535 |
15:37 |
gribble |
Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. |
15:37 |
danielpbarron |
BlueMeanie4, http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ << this one |
15:37 |
assbot |
SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server |
15:37 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this is very user friendly |
15:37 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535 |
15:37 |
gribble |
Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id. |
15:37 |
BlueMeanie4 |
yes the key is up there |
15:38 |
danielpbarron |
where did you upload it? |
15:38 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i see it on the web page |
15:38 |
BlueMeanie4 |
http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=josh.josh421%40gmail.com&fingerprint=on |
15:38 |
assbot |
No results found |
15:40 |
BlueMeanie4 |
no its up there |
15:40 |
BlueMeanie4 |
isee the key |
15:40 |
danielpbarron |
hrm |
15:40 |
TheNewDeal |
There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla. << mircea_popescu could you introduce me to this woman |
15:41 |
BlueMeanie4 |
weird now it doesnt show up! |
15:41 |
danielpbarron |
ok |
15:41 |
danielpbarron |
try now |
15:41 |
danielpbarron |
apparently gribble doesn't use the keyserver he links to |
15:41 |
danielpbarron |
i just uploaded your key to http://pgp.mit.edu/ |
15:41 |
assbot |
MIT PGP Key Server |
15:41 |
BlueMeanie4 |
how did you get the key? |
15:42 |
danielpbarron |
it's... public! |
15:42 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535 |
15:42 |
gribble |
Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id. |
15:42 |
danielpbarron |
longform |
15:42 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535 |
15:42 |
gribble |
Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535 |
15:42 |
BlueMeanie4 |
WIN |
15:42 |
thestringpuller |
aw i wanted to bash that |
15:42 |
danielpbarron |
you can custom bash |
15:43 |
assbot |
Need a number of lines. |
15:43 |
thestringpuller |
!bash |
15:43 |
danielpbarron |
http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?add |
15:43 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash |
15:43 |
danielpbarron |
i mean copy paste it yourself |
15:45 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ok so now ive got some hash string? |
15:45 |
danielpbarron |
;;echo BlueMeanie4, when you get the challenge string, use this command: [everify] |
15:45 |
gribble |
BlueMeanie4, when you get the challenge string, use this command: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter). |
15:46 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i see |
15:46 |
BlueMeanie4 |
that was fun |
15:46 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this system is usable by about 20 people all of them have PhDs |
15:47 |
danielpbarron |
it's usable by those who are worth talking to |
15:48 |
danielpbarron |
if you can't do these basic things then why are you in Bitcoin? |
15:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3842 @ 0.00068905 = 2.6473 BTC [+] |
15:49 |
danielpbarron |
anyway, finish it! ;;everify your-decrypted-challenge-string |
15:49 |
BlueMeanie4 |
that's MPs take as well it seems |
15:49 |
danielpbarron |
it should be anyone's take who has a brain and doesn't like wasting it |
15:50 |
danielpbarron |
in my own experience, it's not worth getting people into Bitcoin that can't do these things |
15:50 |
danielpbarron |
they will need endless hand-holding and are constant sources of drama |
15:50 |
BlueMeanie4 |
MSFT divides users into 4 groups |
15:50 |
danielpbarron |
BlueMeanie4, finish authing!! you are so close! |
15:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 239 @ 0.00278915 = 0.6666 BTC [+] |
15:50 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i think this goes back to ancient times really, so did the romans |
15:50 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what do i need to do now? |
15:51 |
danielpbarron |
scroll up; I explained already |
15:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28399999 = 0.852 BTC [+] |
15:51 |
TomServo |
+BlueMeanie4 | MSFT divides users into 4 groups << eh? |
15:51 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify 840654f07c4296bd320ea97d2bff00e45b255d6e8185964e8585a5e8 |
15:51 |
gribble |
Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again. |
15:52 |
danielpbarron |
that's not the right one.. |
15:52 |
danielpbarron |
where did you find that? |
15:52 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:840654f07c4296bd320ea97d2bff00e45b255d6e8185964e8585a5e8 |
15:52 |
gribble |
Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535 |
15:52 |
danielpbarron |
yay!! |
15:52 |
danielpbarron |
;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4 |
15:52 |
assbot |
Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter |
15:52 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded. |
15:53 |
BlueMeanie4 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFNLbAs3KAU |
15:53 |
assbot |
Snoopy's Happy Dance! - YouTube |
15:53 |
danielpbarron |
now you can rate and be rated |
15:54 |
BlueMeanie4 |
excellent |
15:54 |
BlueMeanie4 |
yes MSFT divided users into 4 tiers |
15:57 |
jurov |
antonosika: still buying? |
15:57 |
jurov |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/artificial-intelligence-oxford_n_5689858.html |
15:57 |
assbot |
Artificial Intelligence May Doom The Human Race Within A Century, Oxford Professor Says |
15:58 |
jurov |
How to control superintelligent AI is really the most important task of our time -- yet, it is almost completely ignored. |
15:58 |
jurov |
got me a few good chuckles |
15:59 |
jurov |
Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, and institutional innovations that enable humans to function better together. In terms of individual cognitive enhancement, the first thing likely to be successful is genetic selection in the context of in-vitro fertilization. I don't hold out much for cyborgs or implants. |
15:59 |
jurov |
hue |
16:00 |
antonosika |
jurov: I guess. 5000 ether/btc |
16:00 |
antonosika |
What do you think about ethereum? |
16:00 |
jurov |
i don't sniff ether. i prefer euros |
16:00 |
ben_vulpes |
<danielpbarron> i'm getting use out of it << what are ya doing with cp? |
16:00 |
asciilifeform |
lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine. |
16:01 |
ben_vulpes |
<BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: Is Coinroll the 3rd Van Customer, or have people other than Mircea and Myself been buying ads? << the former |
16:02 |
ben_vulpes |
oh yeah, wol. |
16:02 |
ben_vulpes |
never forget! |
16:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah, later I remembered the WoL buy |
16:02 |
assbot |
BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
16:02 |
jurov |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
16:02 |
ben_vulpes |
danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause |
16:02 |
BlueMeanie4 |
jurov, asking me? |
16:02 |
jurov |
coinroll's just trying for few days |
16:03 |
jurov |
BlueMeanie4 no just noticed you were trying |
16:04 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.fiercepharmamanufacturing.com/story/teva-recalls-parkinsons-disease-drug-because-it-may-be-superpotent/2014-08-26?utm_campaign=AddThis&utm_medium=AddThis&utm_source=twitter#.U_zTfaCk2Nk.twitter |
16:04 |
assbot |
Teva recalls Parkinson's disease drug because it may be 'superpotent' - FiercePharma Manufacturing |
16:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
does it cause superdepression leading to actors killing themselves? |
16:06 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: This drug works the opposite direction, gets converted to Dopamine in vivo |
16:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Not effects Dopamine, is a precursor for dopamine |
16:08 |
danielpbarron |
04:00 <+ben_vulpes> <danielpbarron> i'm getting use out of it << what are ya doing with cp? << this: http://danielpbarron.com/MEAT/ |
16:08 |
assbot |
MEAT |
16:10 |
BingoBoingo |
%t |
16:10 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 2k High: 175 Low: 175 VWAP: 174 |
16:10 |
punkman |
re: solar flares etc http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/military/electromagnetic-warfare-is-here |
16:10 |
assbot |
Electromagnetic Warfare Is Here - IEEE Spectrum |
16:10 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Daniel- thanks for the help friend |
16:11 |
danielpbarron |
BlueMeanie4, you're welcome |
16:21 |
danielpbarron |
https://twitter.com/prestonjbyrne/status/504362441082683393 Sweet salvation! Might pop on a bit later tonight. << Preston Byrne might join later :D |
16:21 |
assbot |
Your own Fort Knox. http://t.co/KWtYswD7e0 |
16:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
it sure is hard to book a US flight that isnt somehow connected to US Airways sometimes... |
16:23 |
BlueMeanie4 |
as soon as I see the word 'webinar' im turned off |
16:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's frustrating to have to pick them |
16:24 |
BingoBoingo |
BlueMeanie4: It's like any other thing. Most of them are absolute shit, but occasionally you get one by an actual expert on an actual subject. There was actually a nice OpenBSD one done by Micheal W. Lucas for O'Reilly |
16:29 |
BlueMeanie4 |
they use the term 'webinar' to make you think its' something more important than some lame video someone churned out |
16:44 |
dignork |
If you meantion Preston, i guess you read this: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/17/dont-walk-away-run/ |
16:44 |
assbot |
BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne |
16:44 |
dignork |
*mention |
16:52 |
thestringpuller |
CONVOY |
16:55 |
assbot |
BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
16:55 |
BingoBoingo |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
16:55 |
BlueMeanie4 |
dignork Daniel and I were reading that this morning |
16:55 |
BlueMeanie4 |
danke |
17:00 |
danielpbarron |
wow, now warriorforum won't let me link to other people's sites in my signature |
17:02 |
danielpbarron |
now i gotta go and rewrite my "home-page" |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
17:21 |
kakobrekla |
http://shrani.si/f/3B/2E/1Mn4hYnA/for-those-who-manage-bit.png |
17:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Beautiful kakobrekla, keep us updated if there is a further reply |
17:24 |
jurov |
mircea says crapre diem? |
17:24 |
kakobrekla |
made up on spot. |
17:24 |
jurov |
wd |
17:24 |
BingoBoingo |
;;gettrust DEVOPS |
17:24 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user DEVOPS: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=DEVOPS | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DEVOPS | Rated since: never |
17:27 |
thestringpuller |
!s bithub |
17:27 |
assbot |
402 results for 'bithub' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bithub |
17:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 719 @ 0.00089996 = 0.6471 BTC [-] {2} |
17:27 |
mod6 |
lol kakobrekla |
17:37 |
assbot |
BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
17:38 |
kakobrekla |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
17:38 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so where are the contracts describeD |
17:41 |
jurov |
what contracts? |
17:42 |
BlueMeanie4 |
cant i make options and futures contracts on here? |
17:44 |
danielpbarron |
ya, just type it up and clearsign it with your PGP key; get the other guy to sign that |
17:44 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i see |
17:44 |
dignork |
BlueMeanie4: if you want existing future contract see here: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR |
17:44 |
assbot |
X.EUR last 625@0.00233000 |
17:45 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ok so who thinks BTC is going up? |
17:45 |
danielpbarron |
I do! |
17:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Eventually |
17:47 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so what kind of contract would you do then? |
17:48 |
danielpbarron |
i'd be interested in some sort of deal where I buy BTC at today's price next year |
17:48 |
BlueMeanie4 |
thats a call option |
17:49 |
BlueMeanie4 |
do you do stock trading? |
17:49 |
danielpbarron |
a little |
17:50 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ok for a test |
17:50 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the issue is you need to price the option |
17:50 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its a not so simple equation |
17:51 |
xmj |
you know BlueMeanie4 |
17:51 |
xmj |
it's not an option |
17:51 |
xmj |
We cal that Future. |
17:51 |
xmj |
or, Forward, when done OTC. |
17:51 |
BlueMeanie4 |
a future is similar, but it delivers the actual asset and the price is paid down in full |
17:52 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so an option is the ABILITY not the OBLIGATION to buy |
17:52 |
BlueMeanie4 |
a FUTURE is pre-paying for an asset |
17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
o hai. |
17:52 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so i would do a small BTC future just for kicks |
17:53 |
xmj |
BlueMeanie4: which is what I understood danielpbarron meant. |
17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal: There once was a she named Priscilla << but it' |
17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
s not a woman. it's a chinchilla |
17:54 |
BlueMeanie4 |
'buy BTC at a preset price in the future' is an option |
17:54 |
xmj |
nop |
17:54 |
xmj |
it doesn't specify that you have the right not to buy said amount of BTC. |
17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika aite, let's see here. |
17:58 |
BlueMeanie4 |
you should try to conform to common terminology- makes it easier for people to get invovled |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 well it doesn't help that he doesn;'t really know the common terminology. |
18:00 |
BlueMeanie4 |
a good book. http://www.amazon.com/International-Financial-Markets-J-Orlin-Grabbe/dp/0444015981 |
18:00 |
assbot |
The International Financial Markets: 9780444015983: Economics Books @ Amazon.com |
18:00 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the author is right up your guys alley |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
what alley is that ? |
18:00 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the one in the backside of the NYSE where hookers hang out? |
18:01 |
BlueMeanie4 |
have you ever read J. Orlin Grabbe? |
18:04 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Options and Futures are pretty simple |
18:04 |
BlueMeanie4 |
not hard to learn, but the complex structured instruments are not that easy to figure out |
18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika here you go : http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A |
18:06 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com |
18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 yes, actually. |
18:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
he's pretty *intense* |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
he was with the laissez faire troop neh ? |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
died in cr ? |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
listen, you got to get in the wot if you keep coming by. |
18:09 |
BlueMeanie4 |
im in the wot |
18:09 |
BlueMeanie4 |
just did it |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident BlueMeanie4 |
18:09 |
gribble |
Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is identified as user 'BlueMeanie4', with GPG key id DCB374BF51587535, key fingerprint 1FD273800859479EAE7577ADDCB374BF51587535, and bitcoin address None |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 Marx sez : never trust a capitalist. |
18:10 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded. |
18:10 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: Thanks for writing the contract, my take is that you see no way of making it possible for me to avoid waiting till september 2015 for the eth and avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade? |
18:10 |
BlueMeanie4 |
thanks to Daniel btw |
18:10 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so who adjudicates the contracts? |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika "avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade" << what;s this mean ? |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 you ever read up on the fabulous adventure of teh rota ? |
18:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
dont believe i have |
18:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
but did read a bit on JOGs death in CR |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
it's lulzy. http://trilema.com/category/rota/ << read those, ask me again. |
18:11 |
assbot |
Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
<<< lived in cr until 2007ish |
18:11 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: I deem that ethereum will trade in 100 btc in one year, but in the chance that it does not I have an infinite loss of capital (which is a lot since I dont have much). |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika kinda the purpose of these contracts. |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
!up rybro |
18:12 |
antonosika |
well purpose is that you buy eth cheaply in one year though... |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
the purpose is to gain exposure to eth. you can't have the exposure without the exposure. |
18:12 |
antonosika |
how about you donate the 3 btc to something nice if contract fails ? |
18:12 |
antonosika |
Both of us win... |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i donate to whatever the hell i feel like with or without that contract lol |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
recall, im the openbsd guy. |
18:14 |
rybro |
tell me eth is ethanol and not ethereum |
18:14 |
assbot |
Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Z280ZV.txt ) |
18:14 |
TomServo |
!b 7 |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
no, it's ethereum |
18:16 |
rybro |
yeah i knew it :P |
18:16 |
antonosika |
Ehum I want to make deals with nice people. |
18:16 |
rybro |
seems like they do cool stuff by why so shady |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
because they only claim to do cool stuff. anyone can claim to do cool stuff. |
18:17 |
antonosika |
I deposit 3 btc to you. Isn't it fair that we decide something nice that happens with it if there is a large delay of ETH currency? |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika that approach to business will ensure you'll squander whatever little capital you have. |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
best idea is to work with smart people. |
18:18 |
antonosika |
Smart people have good values, so If you have a good suggestion of what to donate my btc to I would regard you as smarter |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"nice" people are rarely worth the price of a decent burial, clothes included, and i very much doubt they ever should be. |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
o you would, would you. |
18:20 |
antonosika |
I'm really interested, what is your philosophy on life? |
18:20 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Mircea, totally agree |
18:20 |
rybro |
total logical fallacy man, unless you define what 'good' people are for all parties involved there are definitely going to be differences in opinion on what a 'good' person is and what a good action is on their part |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/fb3v4nFL << kakobrekla i see yours and i raise you wtf is this shit. |
18:21 |
assbot |
Return-path: <dominik.zynis@gmail.com> Envelope-to: office@ Delivery-date: Tue - Pastebin.com |
18:21 |
rybro |
everyone is too brainwashed to have principles anyway |
18:21 |
BlueMeanie4 |
well as we say in NY |
18:21 |
BlueMeanie4 |
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
rybro he's talking nice not good. |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika my philosophy in life is that all ills arise from people like you having any money and any voice, basically. |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot. |
18:22 |
rybro |
wouldn't nice be just as subjective as good ? |
18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
rybro nah, it's worse. |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
good is a matter of reason at least to some degree. nice is pure sensata crapolade. |
18:23 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.< we also have another phrase , getting 'Gypped' |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
a point established by considering that one has to reason to discover the good, whereas one just "feels" the nice. which approach is exactly why nice rather than good, why all that intellectual effort |
18:23 |
rybro |
lol |
18:24 |
rybro |
all i can think of is susan korman and that pink ribbon breast cancer thing |
18:24 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: My approach is definitely not "feels good" nice |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika well then you get a free pass. |
18:24 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: But, do you have a definition of deeds that are the opposite of ill? |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 well it's not necessarily defined, but to me gypped is the inverse process : when some lout appropriates capital he shouldn't have. |
18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika lessee, maybe this is relevant to your interests http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ |
18:25 |
assbot |
Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
18:25 |
BlueMeanie4 |
'shouldnt have' according to whom? |
18:26 |
BlueMeanie4 |
my guess is the one who lost the capital |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
well that's where it gets iffy. |
18:26 |
BlueMeanie4 |
thats where it gets gyppy :) |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:27 |
antonosika |
I would not donate to charity. But anyhow, if you deem some things as ill (such as charity) some people do things that are not ill (like you for example?) what would such deeds be? |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
"Media coverage of new technologies is always governed by an inexorable cycle: First comes the hyping, then comes the trashing. Of late, the Net has so accelerated this cycle that the trashing kicks in well before the hype has stopped sometimes creating a conflict of views that looks suspiciously like genuine debate." |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.salon.com/1997/03/06/straight_59/ << dude check out salon in 1997, back before it was hiring college dropouts for a hamburger. |
18:28 |
assbot |
Let's Get This Straight: March 1997 archives - Salon.com |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika you generally can't expect a summary of such things be presented to you on demand. there's about 2 years worth of logs here and >5 of trilema articles, you'll have to go through all that to find your own answer. |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
As companies like Pointcast, Marimbas Castanet, Backweb, Intermind and others flock to seize push market-share, they have been feted by the business press, welcomed by media companies who hope push will help them make money, even lauded by Wired magazine as the radical future of media beyond the Web. <<< all winners :D |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
In August 1998, PointCast found such a partner. In order to compete with @Home, a consortium of telephone companies and Microsoft put together a project designed to promote use of DSL in preference to cable modems. <<< has there EVER been a technology battle where ms fell on the right side ? |
18:33 |
antonosika |
Well you said that it would be better if I had no money or voice since I will never do anything good. It feels like that gives a rather strict definition of good. |
18:34 |
antonosika |
If I read logs or articles I don't know what things have any "value" and what are just writings. |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
well this problem is chiefly reflective of you not having done a lot of it yet. |
18:34 |
antonosika |
At least your philosphy doesnt sound like nihilism |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you can't start by doing good. you start by doing work, a lot of it, then you see. |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Brigadie- |
18:34 |
antonosika |
Ehum, any guidelines? |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
18:35 |
antonosika |
Ok... |
18:35 |
antonosika |
;;gettrust mircea_popescu |
18:35 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user antonosika to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=antonosika&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://supremelaw.org/sls/email/box081/msg08181.htm |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know, a complete collection of grabbe would probably be useful at this point. he doesn't seem to have any web exposure. |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
you still got those usenet archives ? |
18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/11/maily-serenablair-31808/images/full/12.jpg |
18:44 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: Anyways, one thought on doing more good is to make it easier for those naive souls (as myself) who want to understand to learn. |
18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BitMarmot |
18:44 |
BitMarmot |
Ayo |
18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
!up rdekley |
18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot are you really a marmot ? |
18:44 |
antonosika |
But at least I can do business with you. |
18:44 |
fluffypony |
<- really a pony |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika nothing easy's worth doing. |
18:45 |
BitMarmot |
Ask danielpbarron |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony that we know :D |
18:45 |
antonosika |
How do I sign the contract? |
18:45 |
BitMarmot |
I am also a USG_Press_Machine from time to time |
18:45 |
fluffypony |
antonosika: just send me your private key |
18:45 |
fluffypony |
and I'll sort it out |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika you don't have to sign it, if you pay it stands. |
18:45 |
thestringpuller |
;;gettrust BitMarmot |
18:45 |
BitMarmot |
Will do it this weekend |
18:45 |
BitMarmot |
Just swinging by to say hello |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot usg press machine was a better nick. this bitblabla stuff is a cancer. |
18:46 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
18:46 |
thestringpuller |
why is gribble being dumb |
18:46 |
fluffypony |
.nick BitPony ? |
18:46 |
BitMarmot |
agreed, but I figured the marmot peg was the best way to illustrate the sheer stupidity of what was going on with BTSX |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller it's not being dumb, it's being absent |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
btsx ? |
18:46 |
BitMarmot |
Of everything I've written I figured MP probably approved of my most recent work the most |
18:46 |
BitMarmot |
BitShares X |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
o that. heh. |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot link ? |
18:47 |
BitMarmot |
two ticks |
18:47 |
BitMarmot |
http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/17/dont-walk-away-run/ |
18:47 |
assbot |
BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne |
18:47 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: Is there a way for me to show that I paid? |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"wait a tick, wait a tick... i will not ruin this sketch for a pound" |
18:47 |
BitMarmot |
http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/24/what-goes-up/ |
18:47 |
assbot |
BitSharesX: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence | Preston Byrne |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika well if a payment as specified makes it to the address specified before time specified, you have. |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot myeah. the many advantages for the general public of the sec demuring instead of taking its fucking place in the world. |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
a well. |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, i will definitely push for prosecution of the current set of sec comissioners for having failed to take the hand i extended to them last year. |
18:51 |
BitMarmot |
I mean, I don't exactly look forward to the day seeing as I'm meant to be hanged |
18:51 |
BitMarmot |
But apparently I am not beyond saving |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
what's so bad about hanging ? |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
you at least get to come. |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
yet another way nature disadvantages women. |
18:52 |
BitMarmot |
ben_vulpes:danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
18:52 |
antonosika |
;;ident mircea_popescu |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4 |
18:52 |
BlueMeanie4 |
I think the SEC is aware of what Vitalik and Bitshares are doing, but theyre biding their time |
18:52 |
gribble |
Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified. |
18:53 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BlueMeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BlueMeanie4 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BlueMeanie4 | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014 |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 if you id with gribble and pm assbot !up you can just up yourself. |
18:53 |
BlueMeanie4 |
wow this system is confusing as hell |
18:54 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its pretty clear that Ethereum and Bitshares were fundraisers |
18:54 |
BlueMeanie4 |
and i really appreciate your points in that article BitMarmot |
18:55 |
BitMarmot |
Thanks BlueMeanie4 - I do this for a living so looked at BitShares for 20 minutes and was like, "does not compute" |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a fucking outrage is what it is. basically vitalik saw the neobee fuckwit buy a ferrari or whatever it was, went out of his mind and well... "if x can steal why shouldn't i" |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
which is what's wrong with "biding their time" idiocies. |
18:55 |
BlueMeanie4 |
I just know the people involved and I didnt even bother running the numbers, I already know the answer |
18:55 |
BitMarmot |
Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often |
18:55 |
antonosika |
why doesn't mircea_popescu get identified by ;;ident ? |
18:55 |
antonosika |
;;ident antonosika |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika gribble blinked. a sec |
18:55 |
gribble |
Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified. |
18:55 |
antonosika |
;;ident nanotubes |
18:56 |
gribble |
Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. |
18:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
BitMarmot- those guys are notorious for faking things like sales numbers and web stats |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident |
18:56 |
gribble |
Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None |
18:56 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: will you confirm that the contract holds when you get the payment? |
18:56 |
antonosika |
;;ident |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
18:56 |
gribble |
Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified. |
18:56 |
antonosika |
How is that done? |
18:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
BitMarmot- I tweeted you :) |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
how is what done |
18:57 |
antonosika |
Public confirmation of that a contract holds |
18:57 |
BitMarmot |
BlueMeanie4 thanks! I saw. |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
x.x |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
how would you like it to be done ? |
18:57 |
antonosika |
you sign a message with your gpg? |
18:57 |
BlueMeanie4 |
I even recall the early bitshares stuff on btt, it was pure idiocy |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i already did dood. in between that pastebin and a blockchain read you have incontrovertible proof. |
18:58 |
BlueMeanie4 |
although I cant confirm that the current concept bears any resemblance to those early ideas |
18:58 |
antonosika |
Why cant u just argue that that is another transaction? |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
because that's what the contract says. |
18:59 |
BingoBoingo |
BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2014#809835 |
19:00 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-08-2014 10:50:07; mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla. |
19:00 |
BitMarmot |
I actually really like marmots |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
could it be chinchillas instead ? |
19:01 |
BlueMeanie4 |
we have something like a marmot in the rocky mountains. its similar to a mountain-hamster |
19:01 |
BitMarmot |
A friend of mine tells me the tale of a marmot called Grey Beard |
19:01 |
BitMarmot |
who lived in the rockies |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot "I dont like or approve of token pre-sales and I never will." << whatr's this mean ? |
19:01 |
BitMarmot |
He would cast a curse on any campers at the camp who harassed local wildlife |
19:02 |
BitMarmot |
Mircea_Popescu exactly what it says |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
also get out of this habit of using the same title on different dates for different articles. it's breadspread insanity. |
19:02 |
BitMarmot |
I'll join WoT this weekend |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot it doesn't say so much cause "token pre-sales" isn't reallyt a term of art. |
19:02 |
BlueMeanie4 |
that sounds like the scene from Monty Python holy Grail |
19:02 |
BitMarmot |
Satoshi didn't need a presale |
19:02 |
BitMarmot |
all this stuff is iterative |
19:02 |
BlueMeanie4 |
BitMarmot- allocate at least an hour to get through the WOT process |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
you mean recursive ? |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
as in, soon they'll do presales for the presale ? |
19:02 |
BitMarmot |
nope, iterative |
19:03 |
BitMarmot |
i.e. it's not really an improvement |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
im not even sure what it's supposed to be. |
19:03 |
BitMarmot |
If someone came up with a chain which was awesome |
19:03 |
antonosika |
What does it mean that assignments are integral? |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean other than tardstalk finance. |
19:03 |
BitMarmot |
they wouldn't need to presell because they'd make their money mining the crap out of it |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika that you can't give sue 1.5 btc and mary 1.5 btc of your load. gotta pick a girl blow the whole load on her. |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot you mean like atc ? |
19:04 |
BitMarmot |
fact is, most alt chains aren't that big a deal/that different from BTC to merit existence |
19:04 |
BitMarmot |
ATC? |
19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
19:04 |
atcbot |
No data returned from CoinMiner.net |
19:04 |
atcbot |
[PityThePool Hashrate]: 1636.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s |
19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. |
19:04 |
BitMarmot |
Good work ThickAsThieves. |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, "I look at BitSharesX and I see a group of talented" << what do you mean by talented then. |
19:05 |
BitMarmot |
Larimer's a smart kid |
19:05 |
BitMarmot |
on the programmer side |
19:05 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i beg to differe |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
and i'd know this how ? |
19:05 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i was reading larimers babbling on btt - his ideas are idiotic |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 well he did say codewise. |
19:06 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: thanks for making it so clear. |
19:06 |
* |
antonosika http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A |
19:06 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com |
19:06 |
BitMarmot |
Let me put it this way - I wanted to play the ball rather than the programmer |
19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta cut amateurs slack re finance, somehow everyone got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin. |
19:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
he wanted to peg the value of assets to some 'market value' - it was utter nonsense |
19:06 |
antonosika |
Same paste |
19:06 |
antonosika |
just needed to paste it |
19:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin. < a lot of that goes on for sure |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
but generally, you can distinguish they don't know wtf they're talking about on terminology, and just discard that and see if they're basically honest or not. at least it's my approach. |
19:07 |
BlueMeanie4 |
BitMarmot- of course he doesnt want to program it- i makes ZERO sense! |
19:07 |
BlueMeanie4 |
that was basically my thought when I bothered to read his nonsense writings |
19:07 |
BitMarmot |
I just don't like going after people personally - I'd rather discuss the issues |
19:08 |
BlueMeanie4 |
'if this guy is going to code this then great for him' |
19:08 |
BlueMeanie4 |
of course he defers that small job to someone else |
19:08 |
BitMarmot |
Even if the writings are nonsense, go after the writings, not the person who wrote them |
19:08 |
BlueMeanie4 |
he's exactly like Chris Odom |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot that's fine, but you know if you call someone something, whether it's "talented" or "whore" or anything, i may well ask you well, how did you find this and how could i verify for myself. |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
only natural. |
19:08 |
BitMarmot |
mircea_popescu all of god's creatures are special |
19:08 |
BitMarmot |
unique snowflakes |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
oh get out. unless they taste like vanilla they go right into the stu. |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise, they go into the cake. |
19:09 |
BitMarmot |
hahahahahaahahahaha |
19:09 |
BitMarmot |
I thought you might like that. |
19:09 |
BlueMeanie4 |
to a degree- if someone is repeatedly trying to draw attention to themselves by whoring around every buzzword and they do it repeatedly then pull a PRESALE- thats when you start questioning someone's motives |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKY5zHILK00 << this could be the "talented bitcoiner" theme song. |
19:09 |
assbot |
Animaniacs - The Monkey Song - YouTube |
19:09 |
BitMarmot |
I go on what I can prove. If I can't prove it, I figure no harm in being polite |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot if politeness has degraded to the point you gotta call someone talented just to remain polite i dun want any part of it. |
19:10 |
BlueMeanie4 |
yes but eventually the emporer wears no clothe |
19:10 |
antonosika |
Im about to agree to a contract that stands if I deposit 3 btc to mircea_popescu (with the blockchain as security). Can someone tell me that this is a smart procedure? |
19:10 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Mircea- BINGO |
19:11 |
antonosika |
the btc could come from someone else depositing at the same time. |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot but anyway, nm that part. |
19:11 |
BitMarmot |
mircea_popescu differences in approach, as you know we have. nm indeed |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika it'd still credit you. so they'd be suckers for doing it, but their problem. |
19:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
eventually people value candor above all else |
19:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
who has time to waste on this shit? |
19:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
let alone money |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 not all people, no. if people valued candor there'd be a blowout sale on penis aids. |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
there's lines of work where honesty is the worst policy. |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
just... finance ain't one of them. |
19:12 |
antonosika |
But this isn't specified in the contract. Only "the long holder shall deposit" |
19:12 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ya shrewdness goes a long way |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika you gotta understand how the legal mind works. you have a beneficial presumption therein embedded. |
19:13 |
BitMarmot |
BlueMeanie4 I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on character, but go ruthless on the facts |
19:13 |
BitMarmot |
mircea_popescu exactly |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot what are you trying to do anyway. |
19:13 |
BitMarmot |
brb. Just having fun, I enjoy writing. |
19:13 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ya I really appreciated that article, but when you watch someone pull this sort of stuff time and time again- it's hard not to get personal |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
works. |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 tell mpoe-pr that :D |
19:14 |
BlueMeanie4 |
who? |
19:14 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: can someone else vouch for this ? |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 aww. |
19:14 |
antonosika |
legal is not my language |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
well for a coupla years there was this hot chick on the forum beating the shit out of the innumerable, meanwhile forgotten scammers. |
19:14 |
BlueMeanie4 |
see |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
they all got pissy because "onoes, whai so personal" |
19:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the thing i always look for- they always have an alternative career |
19:15 |
antonosika |
ill deposit if you reformulate the contract |
19:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
theyre a 'musician' or a 'pick up artist' or 'author' or some crap |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
just one of the many ways mpex wrote teh history of bitcoin that nobody knows about because well... history is hard work. |
19:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
or theyre entirely anonymous |
19:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
usually a combination of the two |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
well most "musicians" are anonymous. |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
that's funny, i remember the days "anonymous" used to be an insult. |
19:16 |
BlueMeanie4 |
do you know how many of these 'celebrated' bitcoin experts have some lame background like this? |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. i keep files. |
19:17 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this doesnt appear to bother the 18 year olds who just bought 2 grand worth of magic beans |
19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google story pointless witless |
19:17 |
gribble |
The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>; Smash reviews The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug (very minor spoilers ...: <http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.837882-Smash-reviews-The-Hobbit-Desolation-of-Smaug-very-minor-spoilers>; BIPS, Payment Service Provider (PSP) for Merchants - (1 more message) |
19:18 |
BlueMeanie4 |
cant view it |
19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
what changed in the past year ? nothing! |
19:19 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: starting a contract by only seeing a random transaction in the blockchain is dodgy as hell |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
according to whom ?! |
19:19 |
antonosika |
The formulation of the contract |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
and it's not random, it's specified. |
19:19 |
antonosika |
random as in not specified where it is from |
19:19 |
antonosika |
the amount is specified |
19:20 |
antonosika |
and "the Long Party" |
19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. this is how bitcoin works. |
19:20 |
antonosika |
easy to argue that it is not from the long party |
19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, but also toothless. doesn't matter where it's from. |
19:21 |
antonosika |
So why not just write " 3.00001 BTC shall be deposited no later than August 31st to ..." |
19:21 |
antonosika |
That's specified |
19:21 |
antonosika |
"Long Party" is not |
19:21 |
antonosika |
provable |
19:22 |
* |
mircea_popescu shrugs. |
19:23 |
BlueMeanie4 |
thats what i was saying- who adjudicates? |
19:23 |
antonosika |
Change it. |
19:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Long Party: YOu are perfectly free to save your own copy of MP's signed contract and sign it your self. |
19:24 |
antonosika |
BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party |
| |
↖ |
19:24 |
BitMarmot |
back |
19:24 |
BitMarmot |
you all survive without me? |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably. |
19:24 |
antonosika |
BingoBoingo: who would be correct in such an argument? |
19:24 |
BingoBoingo |
antonosika: Well if it came from another party that would mean someone else just subsidized the Long Party's purchase |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
BitMarmot here's the problem. your effort at being polite has resulted in 2+6k words, in which the idiot in question is arguing he's right. |
19:25 |
antonosika |
Thanks bingo, i just wanted this legal language verified by someone else to seem less dogy |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
you may love to write, but no one loves to read. |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so what's the gain here ? |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika it's not dodgy, it's just how i write. |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i went to the hemingway school of law. |
19:26 |
BitMarmot |
None immediately. It's a long game |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. "your penis is too long to fit any woman, so how do you propose to reproduce ?" "not immediately, waiting for it to grow more." |
19:27 |
BitMarmot |
Something like that |
19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
(im not saying working is bad, it's not. the reason it's good however is that it allows such problems to be discussed) |
19:28 |
BingoBoingo |
BitMarmot: Any thoughts on http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ |
19:28 |
assbot |
A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog |
19:28 |
antonosika |
last thing, will you check the blockchain and confirm in this chat that you saw the 3.0001 BTC ? |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck. |
19:28 |
BitMarmot |
Judging from the hits though my point got across without hitting the man |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i didn't even pick the right phrase. should have used rickles' "he's making a loss on every sale but hopes to make it up on volume" |
19:28 |
BitMarmot |
so ultimately you get done what needs to get done without alienating anyone |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
a well, esprit d'escalier. |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika okay. |
19:29 |
BitMarmot |
Be of no doubt, I am overawed by your approach to polemic. But I suspect I probably wouldn't get away with it |
19:29 |
BitMarmot |
plus not my style |
19:29 |
BitMarmot |
takes all kinds |
19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
what, decentralized polemics ? |
19:30 |
BitMarmot |
No, just not giving a damn what other people think |
19:30 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: I'll be happy with the outcome of this contract either way, nice to learn new things with you crazy fucks around here. |
19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika it's everyone's sentiment |
19:31 |
BingoBoingo |
antonosika: Sitting around here and having access to every one in the chan's input is an effect IQ boost |
19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
antonosika anyway, the last clause is there specifically to allow you to limit your risk as you can make me a settlement offer later on and who knows, i might take it. |
19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
(for that matter, it's good policy / common courtest to see if i don't want to overbid in case you're considering assignment) |
19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda how the market was born, irl, centuries ago. |
19:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+BingoBoingo> BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea //// Before you know it your website will be all "10 Wacky Interesting Things You Never Knew About Marmots" |
19:33 |
antonosika |
mircea_popescu: I'll keep my fingers crossed then. |
19:34 |
BitMarmot |
BuzzMarmot |
19:34 |
BitMarmot |
I really do f***ing love marmots |
19:34 |
BitMarmot |
best animals ever |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
why ? |
19:35 |
BitMarmot |
They're goofy, largely benign troublemaker |
19:35 |
BitMarmot |
s |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
19:35 |
BitMarmot |
What, MP doesn't have a spirit animal? |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
uhm. |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, but mine's a scorpion. |
19:35 |
BitMarmot |
Fitting |
19:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Slime Mold |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
precise, fucking dangerous mind-your-own-business law enforcer type. |
19:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. /// it's more of a scamcoin assimiliation phenomenon! |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves slime mold :D |
19:36 |
BitMarmot |
Spirit fungi bro |
19:36 |
BitMarmot |
wrong kingdom |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 if slime molds are animals ima make buenos aires my spirit animal. |
19:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Slime Molds are actually fascinating |
19:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
but thats another story |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not even genetically coherent for crying out loud. |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yes but they're not animals. they're colonies of animals. like a town. |
19:37 |
BlueMeanie4 |
well occasionally they go from being a colony to forming into a creature that gets up and moves |
19:38 |
BlueMeanie4 |
not joking - thats why theyre so strange |
19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
what's this, animism biology ? |
19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
it does move but it's still not an animal. |
19:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: still got those usenet archives ? << only ever had a hand-sewn, humble archive (a la 'yarchive.net' but not as good.) |
19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform how woud you go about recouping all this guy's usenet stuff ? |
19:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: but i doubt that google corp. has the only copy of 'dejanews' - ask around. |
19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
yes i am asking around :D |
19:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if you're lucky, 'google groups' might have a good fraction of it |
19:39 |
BlueMeanie4 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVhLJLG7ug |
19:39 |
assbot |
John Bonner's slime mold movies - YouTube |
19:40 |
asciilifeform |
re: electronic warfare article - the conflation between garden-variety signal jamming and 'emp' circuit zapping is inexcusable and a classic leper's bell of journalistic hacks |
19:40 |
thestringpuller |
;;ident |
19:40 |
gribble |
Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified. |
19:40 |
thestringpuller |
damn |
19:41 |
thestringpuller |
time to export the private key to this machine |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ahh people's assumptions are such a great boon to internet humor. so i go on this blog and butthurt people, everyone assumes that since i speak the language i also live there, it's rioutous. |
19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident BlueMeanie4 |
19:42 |
gribble |
Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified. |
19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 listen : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing. |
19:43 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this is even better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_uMH8Xpy0 |
19:43 |
assbot |
Mould Time-lapse - The Great British Year: Episode 4 Preview - BBC One - YouTube |
19:46 |
nubbins` |
so my macbook drank a cup of coffee today |
19:46 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: when assigning a key to a bot, what is a good way to allow the bot to access it? is a passphrase even practical? |
19:46 |
thestringpuller |
or more giving a key to a bot... |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
gpg agent ? |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
but yeah, make it its own key. |
19:47 |
thestringpuller |
yea. that's what I've been looking into, do you think it's legit though? |
19:48 |
thestringpuller |
legit over the wire* |
19:48 |
thestringpuller |
like ssh key forwarding...etc... |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, what ? |
19:50 |
thestringpuller |
i was overthinking it sorry for being dumb |
19:50 |
thestringpuller |
if bot and key are on same machine, bot daemon can just run gpg agent as a daemon... |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/13/aubreystar-31811/images/full/13.jpg << fun fact : girls that walk on high heels don't tend to support themselves on the heel. |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller yeah something like that. |
19:51 |
thestringpuller |
thanks mircea_popescu |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell BitMarmot Judging from the hits though << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#791057 |
19:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-08-2014 23:15:37; mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %. |
19:55 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
19:59 |
BingoBoingo |
!up dsherm |
20:00 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/26/replies-to-select-comments/ |
20:00 |
dsherm |
thanks bb |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/12/anyaamsel-31810/images/full/02.jpg |
20:02 |
BingoBoingo |
dsherm: You are welcome |
20:06 |
dsherm |
was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there |
20:06 |
nubbins` |
how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D |
20:06 |
ben_vulpes |
ah, i missed the marmot. |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
20:06 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.79, Best ask: 514.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 514.25, 24 hour volume: 6709.59735671, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.560882049 |
20:07 |
nubbins` |
battery did not survive the coffee :( |
20:07 |
dsherm |
its all relative to fiat ;) |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins |
20:07 |
thestringpuller |
dsherm: is that a new one? |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
usd or doge or w/e |
20:07 |
thestringpuller |
nubbins`: did you just ruin a mac? |
20:08 |
nubbins` |
i just ruined a mac battery |
20:08 |
thestringpuller |
better than ruining a mac no? |
20:08 |
nubbins` |
the machine itself seems otherwise unscathed |
20:08 |
nubbins` |
indeed, yes |
20:08 |
dsherm |
m_p but at least the inflation will end |
20:08 |
thestringpuller |
what kind of mac battery? |
20:08 |
thestringpuller |
for the pro? |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
dsherm when ? |
20:09 |
thestringpuller |
i just got a mac book air |
20:09 |
dsherm |
it's an old one 4/4/14 |
20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
huh ? |
20:10 |
dsherm |
M_P i was talking about the article from contravex |
20:10 |
nubbins` |
late-2008 macbook |
20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century. |
20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust deego |
20:11 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012 |
20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
at first i thought this must be a scammer play. |
20:12 |
dsherm |
M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Flerb |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
Flerb yes, you're supposed to do something to earn trust. o.O |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary. |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
and so on. |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish << mega-lol - liberasts oppose the 'anti-rape nail polish' product |
20:13 |
assbot |
Why Rape Prevention Activists Don't Like The New Nail Polish That Can Detect Roofies | ThinkProgress |
20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: http://www.operationfabulous.com/advertiser/index.php?e=list << lmao |
20:13 |
assbot |
Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins. |
20:14 |
dsherm |
as long as it is a limited useful commodity |
20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform soviet bureaucrats opposed typewriters neh ? |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
even funnier |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
not even because it works - or doesn't |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
"its not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses." |
20:15 |
asciilifeform |
'I dont want to fucking test my drink when Im at the bar. Thats not the world I want to live in.' |
20:15 |
asciilifeform |
!s have to dip |
20:15 |
assbot |
4 results for 'have to dip' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=have+to+dip |
20:15 |
ben_vulpes |
don't stop |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries. |
20:15 |
ben_vulpes |
be leeeeeeving |
20:15 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509005 |
20:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. Theyre told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they dont get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist something that actu |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
ally reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society. |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
o fucking hell. |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
what sort of alternative reality is this! |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+ |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
and to stop bitching about it! |
20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts. |
20:17 |
asciilifeform |
phun phact: knockout drops are alive and well in russia. but they are typically used by women - on men. chemically-assisted pick-pockets. |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps the nail polish - in a transparent variety - will catch on there. |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states. |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
a millenium+ ago. |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
all the greek sluts moved south and went to work. |
20:19 |
nubbins` |
scopolamine is popular in some touristy areas of south america as well, or so i'm told |
20:19 |
Flerb |
mircea_popescu, such as? |
20:19 |
nubbins` |
tourists helping the thieves move their belongings into the van, etc |
20:20 |
nubbins` |
Flerb, how would you earn someone's trust in your day-to-day life? |
20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D |
20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare." |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them. |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BlueMeanie4 |
20:25 |
BlueMeanie4 |
mkay |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: (from one russian commenter) - 'does the nail polish change to warning colour after the fifth martini?' |
20:26 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FQN4BZ.txt ) |
20:26 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 2 |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians. |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident BlueMeanie4 |
20:26 |
gribble |
Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified. |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
so as i was saying earlier : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing |
20:27 |
BlueMeanie4 |
how do i gribble |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
;;eauth BlueMeanie4 |
20:27 |
gribble |
Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535 |
20:27 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i did that laready! |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
girbble blinked |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
if it didn't see you at any point it resets it. |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
hafta do it again |
20:28 |
* |
asciilifeform talked two chaps who were previously innocent of pgp and (mostly) of irc through the whole shebang. it took - minutes. |
20:28 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't get why people whine |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah but you didn't pick them in the street. |
20:28 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/some-mendicants-a-hill-moistened-bints-and-deep-breaths/ |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
even were it wall street. |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
shit hanbot's writing like dailyt now. |
20:29 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ok got the passwd |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;everify |
20:30 |
hanbot |
mircea_popescu haha for very lenient definitions of daily |
20:30 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3 |
20:30 |
gribble |
(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter). |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 no name needed. take it out. |
20:31 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3 |
20:31 |
gribble |
Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. |
20:31 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ho hum |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too! |
20:31 |
BlueMeanie4 |
you guys dont get hte concept of usability clearly |
20:31 |
BlueMeanie4 |
eath what? |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
<mircea_popescu> ;;everify << you gotta do it, not me. |
20:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify |
20:32 |
gribble |
(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter). |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans. |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
no, THERE you need the name. |
20:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3 |
20:32 |
gribble |
Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. |
20:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
fuck this |
20:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its the second time i did this |
20:32 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
20:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this is ridiculous |
20:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i have a degree in CS |
20:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
make your system usable for christ sakes |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: everify yournickname thatstringstartingwithfreenode |
20:33 |
BlueMeanie4 |
THATS HWAT I DID BEFORE |
20:33 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3 |
20:33 |
gribble |
(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter). |
20:33 |
BingoBoingo |
BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes |
20:33 |
kakobrekla |
they dont teach pgp in cs? |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform now you misguided him! |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 keep your cool and think of it ths way : |
20:33 |
BlueMeanie4 |
let the techno condescention begin |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a time tested system to keep idiots out. |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
the hassle at the beginning will repay in spades later, |
20:33 |
kakobrekla |
failed on me. |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
when you don't have to deal with them |
20:34 |
* |
asciilifeform automated long ago and mostly forgot |
20:34 |
BlueMeanie4 |
maybe ill try again next year |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
usability is good ; barriers to entry are better. |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like. |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you first go ;;everify BlueMeanie4 |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
shit. |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you first go ;;eauth BlueMeanie4 |
20:35 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify BlueMeanie4 |
20:35 |
gribble |
Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. |
20:35 |
* |
kakobrekla passed the arian test although black |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
then you decrypt the otp and go ;;everify freenode-blabla |
20:35 |
BlueMeanie4 |
SHIT YOU DONT EVEN KOW HOW TO DO THIS |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
and you're done |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) |
20:35 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;eauth BlueMeanie4 |
20:35 |
gribble |
Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535 |
20:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Now ;;everify "string" |
20:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:168e59752b337056f22927840844867ab6b0bb171ffd023b46ca4e3c |
20:36 |
gribble |
You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535 |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
yay. |
20:36 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) << I do it by hand |
20:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
do i win an internet |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
now, because you're so identified, you can go /query assbot |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
and in the window that pops say !up |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
see ? |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
self -serve. |
20:37 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i may make a contract system that doesnt use irc |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
and use it by yourself ? |
20:38 |
BlueMeanie4 |
although you could potentially use WOT ratings |
20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
irc is an incredibly great system, give yourself some time to discover that first. |
20:38 |
BlueMeanie4 |
no one can use this thing |
20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm not here because it sucks. |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: use telex if you like. still gotta prove you own the private key |
20:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00069043 = 24.1996 BTC [+] |
20:40 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its not about 'using it by yourself' |
20:40 |
BlueMeanie4 |
if people want to short |
20:40 |
BlueMeanie4 |
or some other instrumet |
20:40 |
BlueMeanie4 |
they can do it |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peram
well, you know." ahahaha epic. |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ? |
20:41 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what makes you htink you can do that |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ha-ha. |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
what do they teach in cs these days ? |
20:42 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so youre threatening any alternatives? |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
no dude. i'm just trying to explain internet to you. |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: 'to criticise is to volunteer.' suggest your variant. |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off. |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
that's all. |
20:43 |
BlueMeanie4 |
im trying to explain USABILITY to you |
20:43 |
BlueMeanie4 |
you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
somewhere they'll fuck around. |
20:43 |
kakobrekla |
in -otc |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
which is what we're having. |
20:43 |
BingoBoingo |
BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it. |
20:44 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin |
20:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Yes you can |
20:44 |
BlueMeanie4 |
theres the problem of competing to execute contracts |
20:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Well nothing useful can be all of high speed, low drag, and robust |
20:45 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious |
20:45 |
nubbins` |
thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned |
20:45 |
nubbins` |
RIGHT ON |
20:45 |
BlueMeanie4 |
because the miners can exclude some transactoins and fatally bias the market |
20:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Miners routinely exclude transactions |
20:47 |
BlueMeanie4 |
sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first |
20:47 |
BlueMeanie4 |
first person to bid or to execute a contract |
20:47 |
BingoBoingo |
If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner |
20:47 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2D4RYSA.txt ) |
20:47 |
asciilifeform |
!b 1 |
20:48 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I think you missed |
20:48 |
nubbins` |
nod |
20:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Instead of the stadium gates you arrived at the parking garage. |
20:49 |
BingoBoingo |
BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general |
20:52 |
BlueMeanie4 |
proof is in the pudding |
20:52 |
BlueMeanie4 |
does anyone use this thing |
20:52 |
nubbins` |
the details are in the pudding |
20:52 |
nubbins` |
there's a dick surgery song about this very thing |
20:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Contracts available for trading publicly need a centralized exchange. Private contracts need negotiation et al. |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: 'usability' << we're using it. and it appears - you are, too. so what kind of 'usability' is lacking ? |
20:53 |
BlueMeanie4 |
how do you measure success in a software project? |
20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first. |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
<BlueMeanie4> this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious << this high speed thing is an unresolved problem in many ways. |
20:54 |
BlueMeanie4 |
confidence chains was one solution, but you dont really 'p2p' with it |
20:54 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its more of a distributed system |
20:55 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: what fascinates me is how many people whine about 'slow' without saying precisely why they want 'fast', and while remaining entirely innocent of basic kindergarten-level gotchas like 'lamport's clock' |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful. |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!up cardigm |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock |
20:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
well its not so much a problem of 'slow' |
20:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
do you ever use Ebay? |
20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
not personally. |
20:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
anyone? |
20:56 |
BingoBoingo |
I've used it. |
20:56 |
nubbins` |
have in the past, yep |
20:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction? |
20:56 |
nubbins` |
never |
20:56 |
nubbins` |
wait, sorry. |
20:56 |
BlueMeanie4 |
in the last few minutes |
20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early. |
20:57 |
nubbins` |
it's all about Buy it Now, anyway |
20:57 |
nubbins` |
nobody straight-up auctions |
20:57 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time |
20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay. |
20:57 |
nubbins` |
that's a general human problem |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
why is this a problem ? |
20:57 |
BlueMeanie4 |
if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will |
20:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html |
20:57 |
assbot |
Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive |
20:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00068963 = 15.7925 BTC [-] |
20:58 |
BingoBoingo |
BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned? |
20:58 |
BlueMeanie4 |
you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC |
20:58 |
BlueMeanie4 |
apple II_ |
20:58 |
BlueMeanie4 |
II+ |
20:58 |
nubbins` |
what's the trilema article about how irc works |
20:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes |
20:58 |
nubbins` |
not being an idiot, asking questions and immediately leaving, etc |
20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 what's your idea of "serious trafic" ? |
20:59 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i dont know |
20:59 |
BlueMeanie4 |
lets say 100k changes hands a day |
20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so then why are you talking about it lol |
20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so what peculiarities would thus become exposed ? |
20:59 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses |
20:59 |
BlueMeanie4 |
your system seems pretty naive in this regard |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.' |
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21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 "seems" ? how does it so seem ? |
21:01 |
BlueMeanie4 |
because no where do you even indicate that this is a problem |
21:01 |
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asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.' |
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21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
>.< |
21:01 |
BingoBoingo |
BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task? |
21:01 |
artifexd |
;;gettrust assbot deego |
21:01 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012 |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done. |
21:03 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally? |
21:03 |
BlueMeanie4 |
and the other actors then got 'sloppy seconds' |
21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure. |
21:03 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Bingo: congrats? |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ? |
21:04 |
BlueMeanie4 |
hold on |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
and why would it matter ? |
21:04 |
BlueMeanie4 |
do you accept that this is a problem? |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
let's assume that superman flies in before anyone and 'takes or leaves.' how is it a problem ? |
21:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 944 @ 0.00093 = 0.8779 BTC [-] |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here. |
21:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this is a big problem. this leads to market bias. |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy |
21:06 |
asciilifeform |
let me guess. 'unfair.' |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
parties will have this ability ANYWAY |
21:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
well im not opposed to WOT |
21:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
WOT is a rating scheme |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
and rightfully so. because to the trustworthy goes the business. |
21:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
great |
21:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
good for WOT |
21:06 |
BingoBoingo |
BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow. |
21:06 |
BlueMeanie4 |
come here WOT lets have a group hug |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
well yes great but this effect dwarves your problem by degrees of magnitude. |
21:07 |
BlueMeanie4 |
not at all |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk. |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the five miliseconds earliness bought the early bird ? |
21:07 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the cp? |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
counterparty |
21:07 |
BlueMeanie4 |
oh so the cp has the ability to choose? |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
of course ? |
21:08 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
21:08 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its not fatal, but it falls short in some very important ways |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy |
21:08 |
BlueMeanie4 |
you cant have highly liquid markets this way |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
didn't we go over all of this yest or w/e ? |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't want highly liquid markets. you want robust markets. |
21:09 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts |
21:09 |
BlueMeanie4 |
as in- determine them |
21:09 |
BingoBoingo |
!up bats_cd03 |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 ever seen http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php ? |
21:09 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-otc order book |
21:09 |
BlueMeanie4 |
youre loling and were there any contracts written today? |
21:10 |
bats_cd03 |
lol |
21:10 |
bats_cd03 |
such patience on mp's part |
21:10 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: how many contracts for the purchase of, e.g, gallium, were written today? |
21:10 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its like a BBS |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share. |
21:10 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: is your (or mine) inability to answer this question with a definitive number (x kg, y usd, etc.) a 'problem' ? |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier |
21:10 |
BlueMeanie4 |
again not saying htis is worthless |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
most everyone else does not want to say. |
21:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
but im interested in bigger game |
21:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
how can we generate millions USD in wealth |
21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox. |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
hate to borrow from herr clinton, but what does 'generate' mean here ? |
21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
since then, the marketshare of all exchanges together dropped monotonously. |
21:11 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what does generate mean? |
21:12 |
bats_cd03 |
work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000. |
21:12 |
BlueMeanie4 |
gen - latin root for 'create' |
21:12 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value. |
21:12 |
asciilifeform |
how can we generate millions USD in wealth << build, say, an aluminum refinery and find a new deposit of bauxite. |
21:12 |
asciilifeform |
like this answer ? |
21:12 |
BlueMeanie4 |
yes wealth is CREATED by generating new obligations |
21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
only iyo. |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
so - extract. ? |
21:13 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its not extract |
21:13 |
asciilifeform |
!s chumpatronics |
21:13 |
assbot |
102 results for 'chumpatronics' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chumpatronics |
21:13 |
decimation |
“But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.” |
21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich. |
21:13 |
bats_cd03 |
when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done? |
21:14 |
BlueMeanie4 |
no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier |
21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
21:14 |
BlueMeanie4 |
makes a society wealthier |
21:14 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
21:14 |
BlueMeanie4 |
sure it idoes |
21:14 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/26/infosec-education-because-stephane-bortzmeyer-is-lazy-and-im-not/ |
21:14 |
* |
asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled |
21:14 |
BlueMeanie4 |
thats how a money supply expands |
21:14 |
bats_cd03 |
lol. |
21:15 |
bats_cd03 |
makes somebody wealthier, maybe. |
21:15 |
decimation |
BlueMeanie4: do you think a finite supply of money is sufficient? |
21:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
back in ignoramous paranoia land |
21:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
here ill give you an example |
21:15 |
BingoBoingo |
bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of |
21:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side |
21:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
and they made their own money system, a local currency |
21:15 |
bats_cd03 |
your universe must be small mate |
21:15 |
BlueMeanie4 |
out of nothing |
21:16 |
BlueMeanie4 |
and they loaned it to each other to do jobs on eachothers houses |
21:16 |
BlueMeanie4 |
plumbing, electrical, etc |
21:16 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this money system allowed them all to have nice houses in belgium |
21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
looky : the mortgages make society poorer not wealthier. |
21:16 |
BlueMeanie4 |
with no capital |
21:16 |
BlueMeanie4 |
no thats not at all correct |
21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
now, a little empoverishing itself for the sake of stroking its impatience may be okay |
21:16 |
mircea_popescu |
but if it does a lot of it it ends up like the us. |
21:16 |
BlueMeanie4 |
either in principle or in practice |
21:17 |
BlueMeanie4 |
well the people didnt have houses before |
21:17 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention? |
21:17 |
BlueMeanie4 |
then they had houses |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
hey. it seems it'll take a while until this problem will be operationalized enough to be acceptable. |
21:17 |
BlueMeanie4 |
thats POORER? |
21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled << It seems many of the danielpbarron invites elicit this reaction |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment. |
21:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: yes. that's actual 'party doctrine', believe it or not |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
this notion that everyone's entitled to sexual release gotta go. |
21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened. |
21:18 |
bats_cd03 |
lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities) |
21:18 |
BlueMeanie4 |
sure it is, I met these people |
21:18 |
BlueMeanie4 |
of course they had to work |
21:18 |
BlueMeanie4 |
but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists |
21:19 |
BlueMeanie4 |
where there was once no houses, or even individual ability to create houses, there was not a usable house |
21:19 |
decimation |
none of this required debt to operate |
21:19 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its similar with mortgages, requires capital to get all the specialists together to make a house |
21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ? |
21:19 |
BlueMeanie4 |
decimation- try building your own house then |
21:20 |
decimation |
you think I could buy a house for some gold? |
21:20 |
BingoBoingo |
<BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists << Fraternities at universities do this without the debt. With beer, a good, they manage to trade the good for pledge's dignity. |
21:20 |
BlueMeanie4 |
if you have enough gold. these people didnt each have enough gold to buy a house, but collectively they had the skills to make houses |
21:20 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
21:20 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo doth not scale outside the dunbar number w/o a wot. |
21:20 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.21, Best ask: 514.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 514.42, 24 hour volume: 6677.18273998, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.617291213 |
21:21 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Who said anything about scaling. Sewers were a problem for the Spanish because of the scaling involved... |
21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck. |
21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
now, who's more likely to have had a good fuck ? |
21:22 |
bats_cd03 |
an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. |
21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
bats_cd03 you got this whole soviet "illegal rich" thing going already ? |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it's been SOP for ages. |
21:23 |
decimation |
bats_cd03: such a person ought to pay taxes and/or have a lawyer |
21:23 |
BingoBoingo |
bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper |
21:23 |
bats_cd03 |
i guess i've been here too long. |
21:23 |
bats_cd03 |
'here': #bitcoin-assets |
21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform "so where do you have it from" "fuck you" is what america is all about. |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose the fuel to stoke the 'btc at 500 within 1%' engine comes from? |
21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
now that's an interesting point. if only... |
21:25 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, so fucking ludicrous to see the stone soup argument repackaged by people who five minutes earlier complained of ignoramus land. |
21:25 |
* |
asciilifeform did (along with probably everyone else) predict this turn. i.e. - usg separating as many coins as can be turned up from their owners, by whatever means can be brought to bear |
21:25 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this shit even. |
21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. |
21:26 |
asciilifeform |
the '500 wars' suggest that they weren't entirely unsuccessful. |
21:26 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: well they still have some of the SR stash right? |
21:26 |
BlueMeanie4 |
seems your understanding of how money works is lacking |
21:26 |
bats_cd03 |
hue hue hue |
21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the first hour with the whore suggests one's "pickup skills" aren't entirely unsuccessful either. |
21:27 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: all that remains is to ask you - if you believe 'hard money' to be a heresy, why are you here? and not in '#dollar-assets' |
21:27 |
decimation |
I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft |
21:27 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, for as longas there's money to be made, why not. |
21:28 |
BlueMeanie4 |
its not a heresy, it's just a lower form of money |
21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ? |
21:28 |
BlueMeanie4 |
if im not mistaken, it's impossible to produce enough gold to account for all the wealth in the world |
21:28 |
bats_cd03 |
lol. |
21:28 |
* |
asciilifeform can't help but picture a coprophagiac walking into a fine restaurant, proceeding to argue - with physical demonstration - his concept of 'fine dining' |
21:28 |
bats_cd03 |
what about nanograms? |
21:29 |
BlueMeanie4 |
Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point |
21:29 |
bats_cd03 |
surely we can do that. it'd just be... terribly unpractical. |
21:29 |
nubbins` |
<+BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier |
21:29 |
nubbins` |
my sides |
21:29 |
bats_cd03 |
ikr |
21:29 |
BlueMeanie4 |
nubbins, it absolutely does |
21:29 |
decimation |
I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance |
21:29 |
bats_cd03 |
mortgages does make people a lot of slaves |
21:30 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what you fail to see is how the world would be if loans werent available |
21:30 |
BlueMeanie4 |
there are mnay places that do have this |
21:30 |
BlueMeanie4 |
they are not places you would want to live |
21:30 |
bats_cd03 |
decimation: lol'd |
21:30 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: loans are available - here. though not to everyone who asks. |
21:31 |
BlueMeanie4 |
whats 'here' |
21:31 |
BlueMeanie4 |
youre saying credit doesnt improve your life? |
21:31 |
BlueMeanie4 |
thats absurd? |
21:31 |
nubbins` |
<+BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective. |
21:31 |
decimation |
BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth |
21:31 |
BlueMeanie4 |
wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness |
21:32 |
bats_cd03 |
maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory, BlueMeanie4? |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: nothing stops a btc user from lending to another |
21:32 |
nubbins` |
they didn't say "let us all go into financial debt to each other! you all owe me $100/hr for my plumbing services" |
21:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
bats- have you? |
21:32 |
bats_cd03 |
after you have, read some austrian theory. write a 10pg open response. |
21:32 |
nubbins` |
they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing" |
21:32 |
BlueMeanie4 |
nubbins, that exactly what they did |
21:32 |
bats_cd03 |
still working through some papers, ya |
21:33 |
BlueMeanie4 |
and you think Keynes was an austrian? |
21:33 |
decimation |
BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses |
21:33 |
bats_cd03 |
your problem is: you are continuously assigning meaning to that which has none |
21:33 |
BlueMeanie4 |
true, but the employment opps didnt necessarily exist |
21:33 |
bats_cd03 |
i do not think that. |
21:34 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc. |
21:34 |
BlueMeanie4 |
or various immature responses designed to detract away from what is obviously a failed argument |
21:35 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: your story concerned a town which printed its own internal currency, yes ? |
21:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
something like that |
21:36 |
nubbins` |
my city did this once |
21:36 |
nubbins` |
not uncommon |
21:36 |
bats_cd03 |
BingoBoingo: brilliant |
21:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
these days maybe not |
21:36 |
nubbins` |
1982-83 |
21:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
whats your city |
21:36 |
nubbins` |
i've still got a "gilbert dollar" |
21:36 |
nubbins` |
st. john's, canada |
21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
<BlueMeanie4> Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point << you would think that in either case. |
21:36 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ya ok |
21:36 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: this is not an uncommon thing, and exists even here in usa (my local vegetable merchants at the market often trade with each other in primitive wooden coins they've agreed on) |
21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
this is what the average tardstalk forum scammer says, too. |
21:37 |
BlueMeanie4 |
sure |
21:37 |
BingoBoingo |
bats_cd03> BingoBoingo: brilliant << Not a construction of mine. An event that happen, recorded in my wetware and entered into the public record |
21:37 |
nubbins` |
some tourist shops here accept canadian tire money |
21:37 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
<BlueMeanie4> they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state. |
21:37 |
nubbins` |
although that's at a larger scale again |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: no one, afaik, finds this particularly offensive. but how does it follow that the farmers will require a growing supply of the wooden coins? |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
be it fascist us or socialist norway. |
21:38 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform :0 +1 |
21:38 |
BlueMeanie4 |
they used to use 'wooden coins' aka tally sticks all the time during the middle ages |
21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
now how would you confuse those two ? |
21:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Or Beads in Manhattan |
21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense. |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: see also 'hawala' in moslem world, 1000+ yrs. |
21:39 |
BlueMeanie4 |
what is your point? |
21:39 |
BingoBoingo |
!up bats_cd03 |
21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
<BlueMeanie4> wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright. |
21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google "tin women, that's what" |
21:39 |
gribble |
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21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
tsk. |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: point was a question. how does it follow that a 'flexible' currency supply is a useful thing? |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ < there |
21:40 |
assbot |
The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
21:40 |
BlueMeanie4 |
because it's not limited by some supply of some commodity |
21:40 |
BlueMeanie4 |
all major money systems today are flexible money supplies |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
BlueMeanie4: if city hall were to bring in a truck full of wooden coins, would this cause the requisite trainload of produce to materialize ? |
21:41 |
TheNewDeal |
BlueMeanie4 you offering call options? |
21:41 |
BlueMeanie4 |
this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems |
21:41 |
BlueMeanie4 |
gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality |
21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
<BlueMeanie4> this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems << you know you're repating this like it's the hail mary of your faith. |
21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
is it ? |
21:42 |
BlueMeanie4 |
these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures |
21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
<BlueMeanie4> gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality << of fucking course. what gave you the ridiculous notion that we're about equality ? |
21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
the point of bitcoin is to make equality impossible and life miserable for the majority. |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
it also helps gravity to keep working |
21:43 |
BlueMeanie4 |
ill leave it at this |
21:43 |
BlueMeanie4 |
as most of these dicussions go |
21:44 |
BlueMeanie4 |
im not arguing for some strange mythical world- this is how it currently works |
21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
well what do you expect. come here with exotic priors, expect everyone to accept them or else you gotta go watch cat pictures ?! |
21:44 |
BlueMeanie4 |
youre advocating something that is not only unsupported in principle, it doesnt exist in reality either |
21:44 |
BlueMeanie4 |
and strangely you believe you are the position to scoff at these points when they correspond fully to how our system works right now |
21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone. |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here. |
21:45 |
BlueMeanie4 |
so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well |
21:45 |
BlueMeanie4 |
and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
your system is so fucking dead it's funny to watch. |
21:45 |
bats_cd03 |
hahahahaha |
21:45 |
bats_cd03 |
careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days. |
21:46 |
BlueMeanie4 |
you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative |
21:46 |
BlueMeanie4 |
thats comical |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
"you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island." |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
totally. |
21:46 |
decimation |
BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing? |
21:46 |
BlueMeanie4 |
i dont have to convince anyone |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, you kinda do. |
21:46 |
BlueMeanie4 |
"all the cool countries do it"? |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
see, the nude emperor system does depend on everyone staying convinced. |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
just as 'are you paranoid if the gasenwagen is actually on its way,' -- 'are you still in a cult if the alien comet ship is actually parked in orbit, and waiting to pick you up?' |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
hard money however does not. it will convince you right into the ground. |
21:47 |
BlueMeanie4 |
the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas |
21:47 |
BlueMeanie4 |
unfortunately it's not going to get you anywhere |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
lolwut. |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
these borken ideas ARE capitalism. |
21:47 |
bats_cd03 |
b-but, inequality? |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
what you got going there in teh socialist states of the americaz however is not. |
21:48 |
BlueMeanie4 |
later |
21:48 |
BingoBoingo |
<BlueMeanie4> so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine |
21:50 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders what gear these folks will change into when it dawns on them that -all- of their gods are being pissed on, vs. an arbitrary selection thereof |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
incl. 'equality' and 'democracy' |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
and rounding off with the 'greatest good for greatest number' crapolade. |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
should be fun. but anyway, bbl. |
21:51 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: they will be derping to themselves as they dig ditches or whatever |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: only when they're done preying on the living |
21:52 |
bats_cd03 |
i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good. |
21:52 |
* |
danielpbarron slaps BingoBoingo around a bit with a large invite |
21:52 |
decimation |
the thing is, he's absolutely right, the world is all his way right now. |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ? |
21:53 |
bats_cd03 |
would recommend! |
21:53 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists |
21:53 |
BingoBoingo |
danielpbarron: Lulz |
21:53 |
danielpbarron |
you guys don't have to !up them |
21:53 |
bats_cd03 |
!s http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ |
21:53 |
assbot |
Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur |
21:53 |
assbot |
1 results for 'http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fa%2F1PDRJ |
21:54 |
BingoBoingo |
danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo to get the ability to up themselves |
21:54 |
danielpbarron |
i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing |
21:54 |
thestringpuller |
bats_cd03: I'm very picky with anime lol |
21:55 |
thestringpuller |
I even find Trigun hard to watch sometimes. |
21:55 |
bats_cd03 |
whats hard to watch about Trigun? |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: no need for fuhrer's orders. plenty of usg viceroys, on various levels, are in a position to plunder coin. some will wake up and understand that this gives them a shot at living slightly longer - and do it. |
21:55 |
decimation |
danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level |
21:56 |
asciilifeform |
a national 'shadow treasury' for the loot to end up in - is not a necessary hypothesis. |
21:56 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see |
21:57 |
decimation |
at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage |
21:57 |
danielpbarron |
09:54 <+BingoBoingo> danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo << do you mean they socially engineer their way in? (because the ability to !up yourself depends on the approval of at least 1 pre-existing member) |
21:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00068911 = 5.065 BTC [-] |
21:57 |
BingoBoingo |
;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4 |
21:57 |
gribble |
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21:58 |
BingoBoingo |
O.o |
21:58 |
danielpbarron |
ohhh SNAP |
21:58 |
decimation |
what is trusted can also be untrusted |
22:00 |
asciilifeform |
;;rate BlueMeanie4 -1 usg muppet. |
22:00 |
bats_cd03 |
http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.16186,y.2014,no.3,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx |
22:00 |
assbot |
American Scientist - The Magazine of Sigma XI, The Scientific Research Society |
22:00 |
gribble |
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22:00 |
bats_cd03 |
'the quest for randomness' |
22:00 |
assbot |
Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/240Y916.txt ) |
22:00 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 7 |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
bats_cd03: the most interesting part of such articles is, as often the case - what isn't said. |
22:02 |
bats_cd03 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpiQiySOHE |
22:02 |
assbot |
YTCracker - Surgerunner - YouTube |
22:02 |
bats_cd03 |
asciilifeform: go on |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
bats_cd03: that is - the implicit endorsement of the pseudoscientific concept of 'random' |
22:02 |
bats_cd03 |
i figured, but had to ask |
22:03 |
bats_cd03 |
was browsing msdn yesterday -- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ff975191%28v=vs.85%29.aspx |
22:03 |
assbot |
canPlayType method (Internet Explorer) |
22:03 |
bats_cd03 |
canPlayType() returns... "", "probably", "maybe" |
22:03 |
thestringpuller |
bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop |
22:03 |
thestringpuller |
which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale |
22:03 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it reads like mathematical masturbation to me |
22:03 |
thestringpuller |
if that makes any sense |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.)) |
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22:04 |
asciilifeform |
and quite another for cryptography |
22:04 |
decimation |
watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another! |
22:05 |
bats_cd03 |
i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
(where the only thing that matters is the difficulty, for the enemy, of obtaining prior knowledge of the bits, and not any measurable mathematical attribute per se) |
22:05 |
decimation |
!up dsherm |
22:06 |
dsherm |
thanks |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
bats_cd03: the subject has very little to do with cryptography in the usual sense. it touches on what can only be described as a philosophical confusion (a deliberately-propagated one, at that.) |
22:06 |
dsherm |
nice to witness hard money supporters in action |
22:07 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack" |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the 'crack' of - if the enemy learns your key, yer phucked? |
22:08 |
BingoBoingo |
!up vmuser |
22:08 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yes that, but even more - you must keep the tools to 'break' it yourself to make it useful |
22:08 |
vmuser |
Why +m if everybody gets +v? :) |
22:09 |
decimation |
dsherm: are you a fan of hard money? |
22:09 |
BingoBoingo |
vmuser: Because not everyone keeps +v |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: in the sense that you possess the plaintext at some point ? |
22:09 |
vmuser |
Fair enugh |
22:10 |
dsherm |
only got interested in econ post 2008 |
22:10 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yes, and the keys |
22:10 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal' |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: and the keys << nope. go encipher an rsa message to me and then break it without my priv key |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
or your plaintext |
22:11 |
dsherm |
decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure |
22:11 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: right, but in the current computing world that exists, you must reveal your secrets to some von nuemann machine |
22:12 |
decimation |
/s/nuemann/neumann/ |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i and perhaps a few other people did suggest, half-seriously, that people could learn to carry out, e.g., rsa, using mental arithmetic shortcuts of some variety |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
but if captured by the enemy, you still confess the plaintext when hanging upside down over a nice hot fire |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
this is not a shortcoming of cryptography. |
22:13 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
'mental rsa' is mostly useful as a gedankenexperiment. |
22:14 |
asciilifeform |
for ferreting out just what it is that people really want. |
22:14 |
decimation |
it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable |
22:15 |
asciilifeform |
if you could somehow harness the considerable mass of neural tissue devoted to various 'everyday' tasks for this purpose - it is certain. |
22:15 |
decimation |
like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball? |
22:15 |
asciilifeform |
consider the methods 'mnemonists' (a kind of stage magician) use to memorize multiple kBytes of, e.g, the digits of 'pi' |
22:16 |
asciilifeform |
and/or, the several known mental arithmetic systems, like the kind invented by trachtenberg (while starving in auschwitz!) |
22:16 |
decimation |
dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention |
22:17 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :) |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: catch a ball << bad example. when high-speed photography appeared, people learned that man (and dog, and circus lion) do not catch balls by computing integrals, but through 'bang-bang correction' |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
which is not to say that one could not, hypothetically, compute a numerical solution to something-or-other by tossing balls. |
22:18 |
dsherm |
decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
but we were contemplating specifically mental computation. |
22:19 |
asciilifeform |
s/causes/blamed for |
22:19 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah this brings up stuff that humans do well that computers cannot |
22:20 |
* |
asciilifeform merely argues that mental rsa is not the total absurdity it appears to be on first glance |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
!s karatsuba anthem |
22:21 |
assbot |
2 results for 'karatsuba anthem' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=karatsuba+anthem |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
(fictional) |
22:21 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: not that we're necessarily stuck with rsa for all time, but the burden of proof on anyone suggesting an alternative is bowl-loosening, if you apprehend it. |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
*bowel |
22:23 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues) |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
were it not for the doubts, folks would piss on the patents |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
as they did on rsa's. |
22:24 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: what do you think about djb's curve parameters? |
22:25 |
decimation |
he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think.. |
22:26 |
* |
asciilifeform if knew anything worth saying - wouldn't say |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
or, more specifically, wouldn't have waited to be asked |
22:27 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: good point. for the interested: http://cr.yp.to/ecdh.html |
22:27 |
assbot |
Curve25519: high-speed elliptic-curve cryptography |
22:27 |
dsherm |
+i |
22:27 |
* |
asciilifeform is always entertained when people come and ask, e.g., 'can you break rsa?' |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
'can you fart a thermonuke?' --- 'sure, just this one time, only for you' |
22:28 |
TheNewDeal |
;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist |
22:28 |
gribble |
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22:29 |
TheNewDeal |
authed |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
lol, scientist |
22:29 |
TheNewDeal |
since when am I not |
22:29 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ident |
22:29 |
gribble |
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22:29 |
TheNewDeal |
;;eauth TheNewDeal |
22:29 |
gribble |
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22:31 |
decimation |
perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings |
22:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00068911 = 6.96 BTC [-] |
22:31 |
TheNewDeal |
no way |
22:31 |
TheNewDeal |
then some asshat could just give you a large neg rating |
22:31 |
decimation |
not a weighted average |
22:31 |
TheNewDeal |
;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:67f5ee9a233015ace7f97d653aa7641f771e48d20b95b6c5504d1317 |
22:31 |
gribble |
You are now authenticated for user TheNewDeal with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77 |
22:32 |
decimation |
if 10 people rate you -1, should that be balanced by one 10? |
22:32 |
TheNewDeal |
;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon |
22:32 |
gribble |
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22:35 |
TheNewDeal |
have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late? |
22:37 |
decimation |
!up dsherm |
22:37 |
dsherm |
thx |
22:39 |
dsherm |
TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing |
22:39 |
dsherm |
first |
22:39 |
decimation |
dsherm: what brought you here? |
22:40 |
dsherm |
was reading contravex blog |
22:41 |
TheNewDeal |
tell us more |
22:41 |
TheNewDeal |
what was the contravex blog blagging about |
22:41 |
dsherm |
i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots |
22:42 |
dsherm |
TheNewDeal: bitcoin and deflation |
22:42 |
danielpbarron |
reddit has libertarian roots? what now? |
22:43 |
TheNewDeal |
5 thumbs up http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ |
22:43 |
assbot |
The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
22:43 |
TheNewDeal |
this is one of my pet peeves. bitcoin is not libertarian |
22:43 |
TheNewDeal |
it's bitcoin |
22:44 |
dsherm |
danielpbarron: well r/bitcoin used to be more libertarian |
22:45 |
decimation |
dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly |
22:45 |
dsherm |
TheNewDeal: Bitcoin is hard money which appeals to libertarians |
22:45 |
TheNewDeal |
sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer |
22:47 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when |
22:47 |
dsherm |
TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells |
22:47 |
TheNewDeal |
i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost |
22:48 |
dsherm |
TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians |
22:49 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
that makes sense - the dewey decimal system is rather cryptic |
22:49 |
TheNewDeal |
suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that |
22:50 |
decimation |
TheNewDeal: the pro-state element (most of whom you named) certainly are not fans of hard money, insofar as it upsets the status quote (state controls money) |
22:50 |
ben_vulpes |
<BlueMeanie4> i have a degree in CS |
22:50 |
ben_vulpes |
<BlueMeanie4> make your system usable for christ sakes << paha cs-folken can't in2 gpg and gribble? |
22:50 |
ben_vulpes |
did he ever get it? |
22:50 |
dsherm |
TheNewDeal: They may understand bitcoin but do they understand the implications of it |
22:50 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust bluemeanie4 |
22:50 |
gribble |
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22:51 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: what's the deal with your rating of bluemeanie4? |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: read log ? |
22:51 |
TheNewDeal |
many of the pro-statists don't like the status quo. Haven't you seen all the hippies complain about the 1%? |
22:51 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: no fun, you |
22:51 |
TheNewDeal |
obummer ran on the pretense of "Change" |
22:52 |
decimation |
TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: they like the status quo just fine, in most aspects. just not the present allocation of the loot. |
22:53 |
asciilifeform |
!up jborkl |
22:53 |
decimation |
as moldbug would say, the pro-state element survives on the promise of getting an ever shrinking shard of 'power' |
22:53 |
jborkl |
Thank you |
22:53 |
ben_vulpes |
salud jborkl |
22:53 |
ben_vulpes |
do you have a wot handle? |
22:53 |
jborkl |
Jborkl_ |
22:54 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust Jborkl_ |
22:54 |
gribble |
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22:54 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811157 |
22:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-08-2014 01:01:27; *: asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.' |
22:54 |
kakobrekla |
did you find it? |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: wtf is a 'usg scientist' in this context? something akin to 'christian scientist' (TM) ? |
22:55 |
jborkl |
Damn 2012, I have to get a life |
22:55 |
ben_vulpes |
<nubbins`> there's a dick surgery song about this very thing << where's the dick surgery album? |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: sadly not |
22:56 |
* |
asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though |
22:56 |
|
Bet placed: 1.09570735 BTC for No on "Gold will close above USD 2000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/759/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.51127835 BTC. Current weight: 33,377. |
22:56 |
kakobrekla |
k |
22:56 |
dsherm |
decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly |
22:56 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible |
22:57 |
TheNewDeal |
asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular |
22:57 |
jborkl |
How did the mike_c IPO go? Did not keep up enough lately |
22:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Hearn? |
22:57 |
kakobrekla |
i thought hallucinations are default in us. |
22:57 |
BingoBoingo |
jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price |
22:57 |
decimation |
dsherm: by what means are you going to limit the size of the state? |
22:58 |
TheNewDeal |
i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: to usg, the only 'problem in bitcoin' is that it exists. |
22:58 |
jborkl |
Sweet , that is great |
22:58 |
* |
asciilifeform hallucinations are default in us << was not supplied with the correct drugs by warden, reduced to sobriety |
22:59 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google bud light whatever colorado |
22:59 |
gribble |
Crested Butte to be Bud Light's 'Whatever' town - US News: <http://www.usnews.com/news/offbeat/articles/2014/08/26/crested-butte-to-become-bud-lites-whatever-town>; Is Crested Butte up for Bud Light's "Whatever" campaign? It just ...: <http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26404271/crested-butte-up-whatever>; Do Good Have Fun | Bud Light Events: <http://www.budlight.com/do-good-have- (1 more message) |
22:59 |
dsherm |
decimation: it was limited in the past by an inferior form of hard money called gold. |
22:59 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: welcome to the desert of the real |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
;;google lem futurological congress drug |
22:59 |
gribble |
The Futurological Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress>; Stanislaw Lem, The Futurological Congress and the Future of Illusion: <http://www.transparencynow.com/introlem2.htm>; The Futurological Congress: From the Memoirs of Ijon Tichy ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Futurological-Congress-Memoirs- (1 more message) |
23:00 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ticker |
23:00 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.77, Best ask: 515.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.18000, Last trade: 514.91, 24 hour volume: 6391.36590481, 24 hour low: 503.81, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 510.090272665 |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
(visitor to faraway planet takes forbidden 'sobriogenic' pill, notices that no robots, only idiots who think they're robots; takes a yet more forbidden pill, notices other things are absent as well... etc) |
23:01 |
jborkl |
ben_vulpes how is the advertising going? |
23:01 |
decimation |
dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit |
23:01 |
TheNewDeal |
couple thousand coins sitting between 500, not the ten thousand there were before the dip |
23:02 |
ben_vulpes |
jborkl: some amount of market validation. still mostly insiders. |
23:02 |
ben_vulpes |
running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now |
23:02 |
dsherm |
decimation: you need to be able to pay for that monopoly though |
23:03 |
jborkl |
I think it is a terrific idea and good timing |
23:03 |
decimation |
dsherm: that is a good point |
23:03 |
BingoBoingo |
jborkl: You see the stats on the venue page yet? http://van-ads.com/venues |
23:03 |
assbot |
Vulpes Ad Network |
23:03 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform sounds like a fun book |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: it is. |
23:04 |
dsherm |
gotta run bye and thx |
23:04 |
* |
BingoBoingo not sure it has been 7 days since those started and BitBet's started last night |
23:04 |
ben_vulpes |
^^ that's true enough |
23:04 |
kakobrekla |
bitbet slander ! |
23:04 |
ben_vulpes |
its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so |
23:05 |
ben_vulpes |
hey at least bitbet has > 10% uptime |
23:05 |
ben_vulpes |
dun know by how much but |
23:05 |
kakobrekla |
> 20 by now. |
23:05 |
ben_vulpes |
oh twenty hey |
23:05 |
assbot |
eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
23:05 |
jborkl |
Nice, not I had not seen that yet |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
!up eightyeight |
23:05 |
ben_vulpes |
!up eightyeight |
23:05 |
BingoBoingo |
BitBet is going to win the impressions race |
23:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Unless MP saves an obscure but beloved software project again |
23:06 |
ben_vulpes |
not that those are umbers that really matter |
23:06 |
eightyeight |
thx |
23:06 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance? |
23:06 |
ben_vulpes |
eightyeight: WHAT---is your name? |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: in what language ? |
23:06 |
kakobrekla |
lol. |
23:07 |
ben_vulpes |
eightyeight: WHAT---is your quest? |
23:07 |
kakobrekla |
english would do |
23:07 |
* |
asciilifeform saw one english translation, it was terrible |
23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: They don't matter beyond telling fluffypony to STFU and blog moar |
23:07 |
kakobrekla |
a. |
23:07 |
kakobrekla |
that bad? |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
get it in some, any, slavic one |
23:07 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah fluffypony you gotta make some posts b |
23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts |
23:08 |
eightyeight |
ben_vulpes: to seek the holy grail! |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
not that those are umbers that really matter << they matter. |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
sadly |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#793473 |
23:09 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-08-2014 21:19:59; asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'... |
23:09 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: the purist |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://lib.misto.kiev.ua/LEM/futuro.txt |
23:09 |
assbot |
: . / / |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
plain ascii txt. |
23:10 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Thanks, I'll chew on it |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
http://vk.com/doc-43066394_195440371?hash=a20d107bab2e1c016a&dl=4de11202a3bbaf8cf4 |
23:10 |
assbot |
Lem Stanislaw - Kongres Futurologiczny.pdf |
23:10 |
TheNewDeal |
asciilifeform that book looks awesome |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
^original |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
(pl) |
23:10 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: vk.com is an excellent place to find original krtek videos |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: purist << just that 'my site has adz now' is worth more to me than pocket change |
23:11 |
decimation |
as well as all kinds of soviet strange |
23:11 |
TheNewDeal |
anywhere to find an engrish version :( |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: engrish version << library? |
23:11 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: You've never chewed on strange languages before? |
23:11 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration |
23:11 |
jborkl |
Ben_vulpes. Explain how it pays? Not sure on the pool btc |
23:12 |
TheNewDeal |
i've only dabbled in spanish |
23:12 |
ben_vulpes |
ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day |
23:12 |
ben_vulpes |
every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day |
23:12 |
ben_vulpes |
each ad runs proportionately to its bid relative to the rest of the pool |
23:12 |
ben_vulpes |
venue operators rake in 99% of the bids. we take the bitcoin gold standard 1%. |
23:12 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle |
23:12 |
* |
asciilifeform would ask for the ads, if he had any reason to think that some weirdo would bid enough right away to recompense for 'my site ever had ads' |
23:13 |
TheNewDeal |
in russian? or what is that language :/ |
23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: Identifying the language is the most fun part |
23:14 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us. |
23:14 |
ben_vulpes |
it's supposed to be a win-win. |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: yes. just explaining the mechanics. |
23:14 |
TheNewDeal |
russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian |
23:14 |
decimation |
some things simply resist commercialism |
23:14 |
TheNewDeal |
have you read of book We? |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: even if you don't care for languages at all - learn it, and it's as if copyrasty never existed |
23:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00068889 = 4.7775 BTC [-] {2} |
23:15 |
TheNewDeal |
the book* |
23:15 |
* |
BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
virtually every book ever printed, in plain text. |
23:15 |
TheNewDeal |
copyrasty? |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
copyright |
23:15 |
TheNewDeal |
ahhh |
23:15 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ud pederasty |
23:15 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pederast | Used incorrectly in the media as another word for pedophilia, pederasty is commonly confused for the obsession or desire for child pornography. Pederasty is ... |
23:15 |
decimation |
all kinds of fiat research has shown improvements in multiple cognitive traits in the multilingual |
23:16 |
ben_vulpes |
bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments. |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: not that this can be ruled out, but it smells of the same logic that would have us all move to japan to extend lifespan |
23:17 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: this is true, it does seem to beg the question |
23:17 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Or would have us all typing lojban |
23:17 |
TheNewDeal |
;;later tell mike_c what's going on with the War, man? |
23:17 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
deliberate reversal of the 'arrow of causation' is a favourite tactic of academtards |
23:18 |
ben_vulpes |
mike_c's on vacation yo |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
'get married, you'll grow taller' |
23:18 |
TheNewDeal |
his website took a shit |
23:18 |
kakobrekla |
i thought its 'fatter' |
23:18 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DHCF5A.txt ) |
23:18 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
fatter - works. |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
taller - not so much |
23:19 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths |
23:20 |
ben_vulpes |
<BlueMeanie4> thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time. |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: trolls, feeding of |
23:20 |
ben_vulpes |
i do what i want |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
23:20 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient |
23:21 |
ben_vulpes |
who cares |
23:21 |
ben_vulpes |
all i know is that the house is on fire |
23:21 |
ben_vulpes |
(don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...) |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun |
23:22 |
BingoBoingo |
In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge... |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
23:22 |
ben_vulpes |
BingoBoingo: actually, you don't know the people. |
23:22 |
ben_vulpes |
all you know are the links they're linking. |
23:23 |
* |
asciilifeform won't hold breath waiting for this manna from sky |
23:23 |
* |
decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums |
23:23 |
TheNewDeal |
is this 8 Восьмой ? |
23:23 |
ben_vulpes |
even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses |
23:23 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ? |
23:24 |
ben_vulpes |
well its not free. |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
aha! |
23:25 |
ben_vulpes |
and it's not strictly a minimum. |
23:25 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't expect freebies. but won't pay to construct manna-from-sky catcher. |
23:25 |
ben_vulpes |
but you can run your own ad whatever fraction of the time you're willing to pay for... |
23:25 |
decimation |
how much for 0 seconds? |
23:26 |
ben_vulpes |
mind you van still takes 1% of your baseline pool, even though the rest goes back directly to you. |
23:26 |
ben_vulpes |
tanstaafl, so to speak. |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
-ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) |
23:26 |
ben_vulpes |
and a complicated optimization problem to boot. |
23:27 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website |
23:27 |
ben_vulpes |
;;calc 0.0015 * 365 * 0.01 |
23:27 |
gribble |
0.005475 |
23:27 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies? |
23:27 |
ben_vulpes |
cookies today, dubloons tomorrow. |
23:28 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoins at all times. |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: if peter I pays, sure. |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: but he paid more than pocket change. |
23:28 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage... |
23:28 |
ben_vulpes |
see BingoBoingo's looking at the long term. patience, stamina... |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
ah see, sale of anal virginity is a non-linear business |
23:29 |
ben_vulpes |
he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform does |
23:29 |
ben_vulpes |
this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing |
23:30 |
* |
asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' |
23:30 |
BingoBoingo |
<ben_vulpes> he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence |
23:30 |
ben_vulpes |
different points on the trajectory |
23:31 |
ben_vulpes |
well, curve. |
23:31 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/23/Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg/640px-Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: lol. and 'tesla' cars. etc |
23:31 |
ben_vulpes |
* asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :( |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. |
23:32 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: lol |
23:32 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. << Sure, sold in the under 12 section in the toy store |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
;;google harry potter vibrating broom |
23:32 |
gribble |
Harry Potter and the Vibrating Broom - Top 10 Dubious Toys - TIME: <http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1927306_1927313_1927329,00.html>; 15 Unintentionally Perverted Toys for Children | Cracked.com: <http://www.cracked.com/article_18494_15-unintentionally-perverted-toys-children.html>; Amazon.com: Harry Potter Broom: Toys & Games: (1 more message) |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
i vaguely recall some weirdo suggested, one time, offering money for tattoo ad space. |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one? |
23:34 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. << crickets i tell ya crickets |
23:34 |
BingoBoingo |
http://trilema.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/ |
23:34 |
assbot |
A sad story, illustrated pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
23:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Loper is bigger than WaPo |
23:36 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls actually having a fresh post that month, to be fair |
23:37 |
asciilifeform |
'We have established what you are, madam. We are now merely haggling over the price.' |
23:38 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: Der Werbeslogan lautete 1898: „Was ißt die Menschheit unterwegs? Na selbstverständlich Leibniz Cakes!“ "The 1898 advertisement: What does humanity eat while on the move? Why Leibniz Cakes of course! |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
a proper 'leibniz cake' would probably be topped with 'panzerschokolade'. |
23:39 |
decimation |
it goes on to say that apparently Leibniz researched a method for producing a hard biscut for feeding soldiers on the march |
23:42 |
decimation |
apparently he came up with something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwieback |
23:42 |
assbot |
Zwieback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
23:43 |
asciilifeform |
also a favourite cuisine in russian prisons. |
23:43 |
* |
BingoBoingo wonders if asciilifeform is a sufficient masochist to try building Loper on the back of his MIPS or if MIPS workstation will be an intermediate product... |
23:43 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: did the zeks eat melba toast |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
there's even an expression, 'сухари сушить' - 'to dry [your] breadings' - meaning to prepare for prison |
23:44 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: lol |
23:44 |
kakobrekla |
yeah i have it on the counter. |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: 'can't go to the moon by stacking chairs' |
23:44 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: MIPS workstations are easy to purchase, buy an old sparc |
23:44 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: SPARC is RISC, sure, but not quite minimal instruction.. |
23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
. |
23:45 |
* |
asciilifeform has desk covered in perfectly ordinary, off-the-shelf mips workstations. none cost > 10 usd. |
23:45 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: write your own "brainfuck" machine on fpga if you want minimal |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
(none is much bigger than a deck of cards.) |
23:46 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: do you also have one of those tadpoles? |
23:46 |
decimation |
surely those are available surplus for cheap these days |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
"brainfuck" machine on fpga >> nope. (why not? >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55) |
23:47 |
assbot |
Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. |
23:47 |
* |
BingoBoingo envisions not ancientware or deck or cards but something that fits in an ATX case, roughly 2009 midrange intel performance |
23:47 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Tadpole laptops are still as expensive as fuck |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: pick up an 'octane' |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
(why you want it? i've no idea. but there they are.) |
23:48 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus |
23:48 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane |
23:48 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: well it is certainly true that 'brainfuck' is not a habitable bedrock |
23:48 |
decimation |
it would beg to be 'compiled' |
23:49 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: a well-worn alpha is dirt cheap. i threw away five of them a few years ago. |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
(put on 'ebay', no one bid.) |
23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped |
23:50 |
* |
decimation remembers playing with alpha machine circa 2001, thinking it was quaint |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
the only actual good thing about the alpha was that the spec fit in a thin paperback book. |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
same re: mips. |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
nothing magical here. |
23:51 |
decimation |
usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed |
23:51 |
decimation |
probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
this is a recent thing, or there'd be no surplus 'symbolics' hardware at all. |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
now they have 'shoot here' stickers on cheapo 'dell' laptops. |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
(why? churn inventory. 'everybody's happy.') |
23:52 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: back in WWII almost nothing was classified |
23:53 |
asciilifeform |
smbx was king at the height of reaganoid spymania |
23:53 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/ |
23:53 |
assbot |
A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog |
23:53 |
asciilifeform |
but 'in WWII almost nothing was classified' is mistake. witness the rarity of 'norden's bombsight' even in museums today. |
23:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, you don't need classified when everyone is treated like adults |
23:54 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
the historical roots of today's SOP are in the 'born secret' doctrine of u.s. nuke work |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
see - |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/08/29/forbidden-spheres |
23:55 |
assbot |
Forbidden spheres | Restricted Data |
23:55 |
decimation |
lol ebay search for 'tadpole' turns up... baby frogs |
23:55 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
'A security officer informed him that the orange he left on his desk was, in fact, a classified object. He learned that any spherical object became a nuclear secret once it passes over the line...' |
23:58 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them? |
23:59 |
decimation |
one imagines such cargo cults must be rampant |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' etc |
23:59 |
decimation |
anyway with that I must retire, good evening gents |