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00:00 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Public is public, private is private. The two only meet when the later turns into the former through monthly statements or when someone solves for some activity like you did with the ask wall.
00:06 BingoBoingo !up jMyles
00:06 assbot Voicing jMyles for 30 minutes.
00:06 BingoBoingo !up navhul-lacsup
00:06 assbot Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
00:06 BingoBoingo !up Luke-Jr
00:06 assbot Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
00:06 Duffer1 lonely BB?
00:07 Duffer1 :P
00:07 BingoBoingo Duffer1: Maybe?
00:07 Duffer1 i just finished a remarkable hard sci-fi book
00:08 BingoBoingo Damn
00:08 Duffer1 Diaspora by Greg Egan
00:08 kakobrekla ;;later tell mike_c socket should nao be fixed, fund was being filtered out cause kako does weird shit.
00:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:09 Duffer1 it's not usually my genre, but i was impressed, as good as kim stanley robinsons red mars
00:10 benkay ksr's red mars was unbearably wordy
00:11 Duffer1 indeed, it's why i'm not usually a fan of hard sf
00:11 Duffer1 and diaspora does have a bit of the ksr run ons
00:12 Duffer1 if you can get through it though, the story of both books is worth it imo
00:13 benkay ;;later tell mircea_popescu this one'd make better commissioned work: http://juliatourianski.com/
00:13 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:23 BingoBoingo benkay: Am I aloof enough to fund manage>
00:27 BingoBoingo Or benkay Am I real enough.
00:27 BingoBoingo Worse yet do I amazing company?
00:27 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
00:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.00563217 = 0.2647 BTC [-] {5}
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00:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
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01:08 bitcoinpete http://www.allenpike.com/2014/burying-the-url/
01:08 ozbot Burying the URL - Allen Pike
01:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00097232 = 23.1412 BTC [-]
01:10 asciilifeform Duffer1: see if you can get a hold of Egan's short works collections, 'Luminous' and 'Axiomatic.'
01:10 Duffer1 they're on my list to read
01:10 Duffer1 diaspora was the first of his work i've encountered and i instantly became a big fan
01:12 Duffer1 thanks for the recommendation btw, he's got a lot of award winning shorts, i'll prioritize those in my list
01:14 asciilifeform Duffer1: http://bookfi.org/dl/223021/c36c75
01:15 Duffer1 oh snap thanks
01:21 BingoBoingo Lest based off of trading statements anyone thing I am a genii, I've lost 96%+ lifetime publishing text tomes.
01:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 495 @ 0.00089499 = 0.443 BTC [-] {2}
01:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 155 @ 0.0009 = 0.1395 BTC [+] {2}
01:26 moiety mewning
01:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
01:28 BingoBoingo Hey moiety
01:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3308 @ 0.00097232 = 3.2164 BTC [-]
01:28 fluffypony manul-moiety
01:29 moiety :D
01:29 moiety how are yous?
01:29 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Ain't you sleeping?
01:29 asciilifeform colocolul.
01:29 fluffypony BingoBoingo: 7:30am here
01:29 fluffypony moiety: most excellent thanks
01:29 fluffypony and you?
01:30 moiety o i forgot you are just an hour ahead of me fluffypony // i'm good thanks, haven't slept yet though
01:30 kakobrekla ah lol, some dudes on some lost forum discussing my previously linked reply
01:30 kakobrekla >Yes, we have to find a broker, BTC-e don't send emails - not even send rude emails - which is worrying.
01:31 moiety seriously, mircea has deleted oh out of my vocabulary
01:31 kakobrekla "at least kako sends us to fuck off!"
01:31 fluffypony lol!
01:32 moiety lolol kakobrekla responsive rep :]
01:33 moiety asciilifeform: i have a new manul and ive forgotten the translation already http://www.kotomet.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/manul0_preview.jpg
01:34 asciilifeform moiety: 'love kitties? i ask, kitties, bitch, do you love?!'
01:35 moiety asciilifeform: thanks :D // so is cyka = bitch?
01:35 bitcoinpete http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/14/sick_of_trading_pigs_oil_and_wheat_how_about_cloud/ <<cloud commodities!
01:38 asciilifeform moiety: aye
01:42 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: You always offer best customer service
01:42 kakobrekla few seem to agree on this one.
01:42 moiety and labels. regugal is now a new favourite word of mine
01:43 kakobrekla hehe
01:44 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: SOme people merely don't know what being a customer means
01:44 kakobrekla i think so too!
01:45 BingoBoingo Customer means try to eat the best findable shit, because you can't grow beef.
01:49 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/21V4HWM/plain/)
01:49 kakobrekla !b 1
01:49 kakobrekla ty
01:51 BingoBoingo Sometimes you find a bull that can't get off, and actually have to eat shit, because you can't give a handjob worth jizz.
01:51 fluffypony ;;later tell bitcoinpete that "Burying the URL" article was interesting, Safari on OS X has been stripping GET vars from view for ages (they become visible when you're editing the URL)
01:51 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:53 bitcoinpete fluffypony: i could see people who aren't writers/thinkers being perfectly ok with the "cleanliness" of buried urls
01:53 moiety i don't take arguments anymore, i just get rid of people that think they "have a case" where they do not
01:54 BingoBoingo Oh, Bar Rescue has to be the best show for baptising people to Bitcoin.
01:54 fluffypony bitcoinpete: though it's not a bad thing if it prevent simple phishing attacks by calling out the actual domain in use
01:55 moiety speaking of bar...have you heard about those bin laden themed bars in brazil?
01:55 BingoBoingo moiety: Yeah
01:56 moiety i just heard it today, o.O
01:56 bitcoinpete moiety: i was there a year ago and missed them! packing bags now
01:58 fluffypony Braziiiiiiil, la la la la la la la laaaaaa
01:59 bitcoinpete i'd go back to rio in a heartbeat. it's europe for the new world
01:59 moiety football hooligans trailing the world cup + osama bin laden lookalike that sells alcohol, what can possibly go wrong
01:59 BingoBoingo So... World Cup predictions? World Series Predictions?
02:00 moiety scotland will not be winning
02:00 BingoBoingo Is scotland its own thing for this sport?
02:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00097174 = 1.0689 BTC [-]
02:01 bitcoinpete world cup: portugal
02:01 bitcoinpete world series: dodgers
02:01 fluffypony portugal, really?
02:02 bitcoinpete fluffypony: why not? home turf
02:02 BingoBoingo STFU: Cardinal for world series. African (somewhere there) for world cup.
02:02 fluffypony Brazil or Argentina
02:02 fluffypony my money's on Brazil
02:03 fluffypony MAYBE Germany
02:04 fluffypony BingoBoingo: the only African team that's been doing well-ish recently is the Ivory Coast team, I think they'll make it to the quarters before being knocked out
02:04 BingoBoingo Budeslinga is a strong league, but a lot of rental players.
02:04 fluffypony South Africa will make it nowhere because the Bafana Bafana cave under pressure
02:04 moiety BingoBoingo: yeah scotland are just that bad, they never get anywhere
02:05 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Well I have toi suppose a really dark team to balance my world series pick.
02:05 fluffypony despite having burnt through new coaches every 2 years
02:05 fluffypony at some ridiculous cost
02:05 BingoBoingo fluffypony: My world series team hasn't brnt through coaches, and who knows... Maybe Matheney will quit
02:06 fluffypony BingoBoingo: I hear he's homeless and sleeping on couches these days
02:06 fluffypony :-P
02:07 BingoBoingo fluffypony: He actually is. You must be a StL local.
02:07 moiety i've been being trained to follow the reds
02:07 BingoBoingo Just dreaming of Rhodesia
02:08 moiety a couch is better than outside!
02:08 BingoBoingo moiety: Boo. May Brandon Phillips just have a heart attack on the field.
02:08 fluffypony BingoBoingo: just before I met my wife I dated a girl in St. Louis for 6 months, she was here on holiday and we fell for each other, so after 5 months of long distance I went over there for a month to see if there was something there
02:08 fluffypony needless to say there wasn't
02:08 moiety o but i heard he's really good
02:08 fluffypony but I learnt a LOT about StL culture and basebal
02:08 fluffypony *baseball
02:09 fluffypony way more than I ever would've
02:09 BingoBoingo moiety: Brandon phillips wasn't even last year's best second baseman.
02:09 moiety bring back rounders i say
02:09 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Cause they could smell you are a spy.
02:10 fluffypony BingoBoingo: totally
02:10 BingoBoingo fluffypony: That's why you got no Crown Candy.
02:10 moiety yous just took rounders, threw a bunch of hats and padding on the players and called it baseball
02:11 bitcoinpete g'night sportsalosophers :)
02:12 moiety nanight bitcoinpete sleep well!
02:12 fluffypony ;;google crown candy
02:12 gribble Crown Candy Kitchen | Malts & Shakes | Soda Fountain and Candy ...: <http://crowncandykitchen.net/>; Crown Candy Kitchen - Old North Saint Louis - Saint Louis, MO | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/crown-candy-kitchen-saint-louis>; Crown Candy Kitchen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Candy_Kitchen>
02:13 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1000 @ 0.000215 = 0.215 BTC
02:13 BingoBoingo Eh
02:13 fluffypony yeah definitely didn't go there
02:13 BingoBoingo Not like ROunders was viable on its own
02:14 fluffypony they dragged me to places like Outback Steakhouse and Cracker Barrel
02:14 fluffypony and Cheesecake Factory (which surprisingly, to me at least, looked nothing like the one in Big Bang Theory)
02:14 moiety why not BB? rugby does just fine without the helmets and cushions that your football has :P
02:15 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Those are chain places. Crown Candy is how the Polaks keeps the Nigs sated.
02:15 BingoBoingo moiety: Because Handegg isn't a sport. It is a way to keep classes of people damaged.
02:16 fluffypony BingoBoingo: yeah, good food definitely wasn't on their priority list of "cool places to show Riccardo"
02:16 BingoBoingo Yeah, crown Candy is the best.
02:16 BingoBoingo I'll admit Imos is barely better than native Chicago pizza.
02:17 BingoBoingo Then again fluffypony maybe your guides sucked
02:17 moiety meh poor dead rounders
02:17 BingoBoingo lol
02:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10612 @ 0.00097028 = 10.2966 BTC [-] {2}
02:17 BingoBoingo fluffypony: I mean did they show you the sad zoo lions?
02:18 fluffypony no?
02:18 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Oh, the StL zoo big cats are the saddest things.
02:19 moiety all zoo creatures are sad
02:19 moiety what happened with the ukraine zoo that ran out of food and meds btw
02:19 fluffypony well I suppose they didn't think to take me there since, you know, coming from Africa and all that
02:19 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Maybe they knew things were wrong. Probably also why they didn't take you to North City,
02:20 BingoBoingo moiety: The penguins are happy.
02:21 moiety only their feet. they are dying inside
02:21 BingoBoingo Nah, penguins love malnourished lion as food
02:23 BingoBoingo So ThickAsThieves how did you feel when you found out parts were less than 6% of Google glass costs?
02:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
02:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4092 @ 0.00097174 = 3.9764 BTC [+]
02:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10098 @ 0.00097473 = 9.8428 BTC [+]
02:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.00563069 = 0.1802 BTC [-] {2}
02:40 moiety i was just reading that about glass
02:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
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03:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03248515 = 0.1624 BTC [+]
03:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096969 = 4.2666 BTC [-]
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03:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00096969 = 8.7272 BTC [-]
03:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00097108 = 16.7997 BTC [+] {2}
03:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 212 @ 0.00563069 = 1.1937 BTC [-] {2}
03:54 punkman I'm still auth'd, amazing ISP!
03:54 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
03:54 fluffypony lol
03:56 punkman had to climb the long way into my house, good thing I had left a window open
03:59 fluffypony punkman: why not use the door?
04:00 punkman fluffypony, because someone smart left the keys on the door (on the inside)
04:01 fluffypony lol
04:02 punkman I had to shoo pigeons, and a cat
04:02 punkman cat decided to follow me though
04:10 punkman http://pastebin.com/DXTu8Mcm
04:10 ozbot Google AdSense Leak - Part 2 - Pastebin.com
04:11 punkman http://pastebin.com/qh6Tta3h
04:11 ozbot Google AdSense Leak - Pastebin.com
04:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03246832 = 0.7143 BTC [-] {6}
04:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49952498 = 0.999 BTC [+]
04:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49971249 = 0.9994 BTC [+] {2}
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04:45 fluffypony punkman: interesting read
04:45 fluffypony do you think it's legit or some crazy dude scaremongering?
04:46 fluffypony moiety: http://i.imgur.com/EBUm6u0.jpg
04:46 punkman second part sounds like a redditard, but who knows
04:47 punkman I know a lot of people that have been banned from adsense/adwords for no reason
04:47 fluffypony yeah I had one of my accounts banned a few years ago
04:47 fluffypony conveniently it was when I decided that the whole "Internet marketing" thing was bullshit and it'd be better to sell products and ebooks and "systems" to the IM guys than do it myself
04:47 punkman I stopped using them before they went wild with it, around 2009 maybe
04:49 fluffypony lol: http://i.imgur.com/HID68KI.jpg /r/bitcoin in 10 years time
04:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00096969 = 18.1817 BTC [-]
04:53 Apocalyptic nice one
04:55 punkman fluffypony: https://github.com/coolwanglu/pdf2htmlEX
04:55 fluffypony punkman: I've been trying to get that working for 2 days
04:56 fluffypony on OS X
04:56 fluffypony he has his own fontforge fork
04:56 fluffypony which has a bunch of weird requirements
04:56 punkman did you figure out if you can get HTML out of that? seems full of javascript
04:56 fluffypony I'll let you know once I get it working :-P
04:57 punkman Scribd only let me get plaintext btw
04:57 fluffypony configure: error: libuuid development files required
04:57 fluffypony that's my current issue
04:57 fluffypony and libuuid is baked into OS X
04:57 punkman but it accepts all kinds of formats, not just pdf, so I guess it will come in handy sometime
04:57 fluffypony so there's no pkg-config .pc for it
04:57 fluffypony I may just go straight to deving on the server
04:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
04:58 punkman Google probably does the best conversion
04:58 punkman wonder if I can get it on demand through Google Docs
05:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4788 @ 0.00096969 = 4.6429 BTC [-]
05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22912 @ 0.00096817 = 22.1827 BTC [-] {2}
05:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7552 @ 0.00097136 = 7.3357 BTC [+]
05:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00562775 = 0.1576 BTC [-] {3}
05:52 pankkake can't buy mpif on coinbr? …
05:57 fluffypony pankkake: you can't buy it on mpex either yet
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06:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.03150111 = 0.567 BTC [-] {2}
06:39 mircea_popescu benkay notrly my style.
06:39 fluffypony http://variety.com/2014/film/news/jeffrey-katzenberg-predicts-3-week-theatrical-window-in-future-1201166052/
06:39 ozbot Jeffrey Katzenberg Predicts 3-Week Theatrical Window in Future | Variety
06:39 fluffypony this is interesting
06:40 fluffypony "I think the model will change and you won’t pay for the window of availability. A movie will come out and you will have 17 days, that’s exactly three weekends, which is 95% of the revenue for 98% of movies. On the 18th day, these movies will be available everywhere ubiquitously and you will pay for the size. A movie screen will be $15. A 75” TV will be $4.00. A smartphone will be $1.99."
06:41 mircea_popescu this is by no means either a prediction or novel.
06:42 fluffypony novel to me - I hadn't thought about content delivery in terms of screen size before
06:42 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461817978066329600
06:42 ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: That's choosing what to fuck. ...
06:43 mircea_popescu im so adept at making friends.
06:43 mircea_popescu fluffypony it's older than dirt tho.
06:44 fluffypony meh, I've never bought into the "do what you love" bullshit
06:45 mircea_popescu ;;ud smh
06:45 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smh | smh. Acronym for 'shake my head' or 'shaking my head.' Usually used when someone finds something so stupid, no words can do it justice. Sometimes it's ...
06:45 ozbot Urban Dictionary: smh
06:45 mircea_popescu that'd be because you're not a hipster.
06:45 fluffypony my very first failed company was an events production house I started with a good friend when I was like 20
06:45 fluffypony the two lessons I learnt from that were:
06:46 fluffypony 1. if you go into business with someone who is a good friend there's a high probability of fucking up the friendship, regardless of the outcome of the business venture
06:46 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmh5o9pIIAA5kaB.jpg
06:46 fluffypony 2. just because you like doing something doesn't mean you can get paid for it or even find clients
06:46 mircea_popescu ahahaha. hahaha-hahahaha.
06:46 mircea_popescu the bestest country in the world, can't get a fucking cab at the airport ?
06:46 mircea_popescu srsly africa, the black people called. they want it back, it's theirs!
06:47 fluffypony lol
06:48 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade
06:48 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
06:49 fluffypony http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png
06:50 mircea_popescu "In less than three months the Department of the Treasury will start trimming payments on portions of the $17.3 trillion-plus national debt, with unpredictable – and unstudied – consequences. Acting in violation of legal commitments to purchasers, the Department will chop 30% from interest payments due some foreign holders of hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars’ worth of Treasury securities. Pos
06:50 mircea_popescu sible results of this consciously inflicted partial federal default could include mass dumping of bonds by jittery holders, a rise in the rate the government pays for debt service, and undermining the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency."
06:50 fluffypony from now on I'm going to provide measurements "to the nearest poppyseed, may be off by a few twips"
06:51 mircea_popescu im curious how many in the "press" will be calling this a default, and how many will be derping about how it's really just antiracism and ecology.
06:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07230561 = 0.94 BTC [-] {5}
06:51 mircea_popescu because well... anyone who fails to call it a default also fails to have a future, in his chosen profession.
06:51 numerisTrade hello
06:51 mircea_popescu hi.
06:51 numerisTrade hello, mircea_popescu
06:51 numerisTrade ;;ident
06:51 gribble Nick 'numerisTrade', with hostmask 'numerisTrade!~numeris@unaffiliated/numeris', is identified as user 'numerisTrade', with GPG key id 3B5A64169734D48F, key fingerprint 8D77A1296B71AD54AD09F2FD3B5A64169734D48F, and bitcoin address None
06:51 mircea_popescu you're the wywial fellow aren't you ?
06:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07123325 = 0.2849 BTC [-] {4}
06:52 numerisTrade partially yes
06:52 mircea_popescu lol how does that work ?!
06:53 numerisTrade it's a joint venture with my fellow
06:53 fluffypony dissociative identity disorder?
06:54 numerisTrade currently, I'm wywialm, but this nick is also managed by him
06:54 punkman that's not how this works
06:54 mircea_popescu well tell him that this nick can speak here on the strength of it being used by you, so he shouldn't muck it up.
06:54 mircea_popescu and actually, you really should get him a diff nick, or yourself.
06:55 mircea_popescu as it is you be just askin' for trouble.
06:55 mircea_popescu !up toddf
06:55 assbot Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.
06:55 fluffypony numerisTrade: why not just do it the way GlooBoy does?
06:55 fluffypony he has an iTradeBTC account that, in theory, anyone could manage
06:55 fluffypony but his WoT ratings are his own under his nick
06:55 mircea_popescu "Obama joins a high-powered group of celebs to emphasize the vital role men play in preventing sexual assault " < i had no idea presidents are celebrities nao.
06:56 fluffypony he could always nominate someone else to sell for him (and note that in the WoT)
06:57 numerisTrade fluffypony, how to arraange it when two people are engaged? separate WoT ratings? But its the business that should be rated...
06:57 mircea_popescu o, what's teh business ?
06:58 mircea_popescu i didn't realise you had a business.
06:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7767 @ 0.00097405 = 7.5654 BTC [+]
06:58 mircea_popescu meanwhile at the twitter lolzfarm :
06:58 mircea_popescu "Robin Klein My week on twitter: 255 New Followers, 5 Mentions, 5.02K Mention Reach, 2 Replies, 15 Retweets.
06:58 mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu @robinklein That's the definition of pathetic you know."
06:58 fluffypony numerisTrade: separate WoT ratings, after a few ratings will it matter? alternatively, leave the numerisTrade nick for trading, and have another IRC session in your personal capacity :)
06:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32283 @ 0.00097588 = 31.5043 BTC [+] {2}
06:59 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmeixjlCIAE0_qV.jpg:large << best korea market prediction services.
06:59 mircea_popescu soon to be ipoing on kimcoin
06:59 mircea_popescu !up quantyfikator
06:59 assbot Voicing quantyfikator for 30 minutes.
07:01 mircea_popescu http://www.vox.com/2014/4/30/5669484/britains-murder-case-against-one-of-irelands-most-important
07:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07122011 = 0.3561 BTC [-]
07:01 mircea_popescu this is why you do not negotiate, and you do not stop until the enemy is destroyed. not just dead, destroyed.
07:01 fluffypony mad photoshop skillz: http://i.imgur.com/Nb1uRg0.jpg
07:01 mircea_popescu otherwise, 40 years later...
07:02 mircea_popescu fluffypony aahahahaha
07:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 63 @ 0.07120634 = 4.486 BTC [-] {4}
07:02 numerisTrade mircea_popescu, the business is just starting, according to your MPOE-PR tutorial. Currently we're experimenting with repo trading / secured loans
07:02 numerisTrade ;;view
07:02 gribble #20257 Thu Apr 17 07:20:26 2014 numerisTrade SELL 1.0 Repo transaction / Secured loan @ 477.04 USD (Price is amount of Ripple/Coinbase collateral. See more at http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html)
07:02 mircea_popescu numerisTrade ic.
07:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00097598 = 12.8829 BTC [+] {2}
07:08 fluffypony mircea_popescu: pankkake (and I) were wondering when mpif shares are going to be available?
07:08 mircea_popescu yesterday ?
07:09 pankkake scam
07:09 mircea_popescu !t m f.mpif
07:09 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC)
07:09 fluffypony not on coinbr
07:09 * fluffypony pokes jurov
07:09 mircea_popescu on coinbr when jurov gets around to it, which should be any time nao
07:09 pankkake I'm surprised a date wouldn't announced in advance either
07:09 pankkake meh…
07:10 fluffypony pankkake: someone should tell Jimmothy so he can warn everyone
07:10 fluffypony :-P
07:10 mircea_popescu pankkake what diff does it make ?
07:11 pankkake I want to buy some before there's nothing left, for one?
07:11 mircea_popescu how would that work ? this is a managed asset, it's not supposed to trade much off its nav
07:11 mircea_popescu i can issue an infinity of shares, and will if price diverges upwards.
07:11 mircea_popescu i can destroy all the shares, and will if price diverges under.
07:11 mircea_popescu it's an investment not a forum "ipo"
07:12 numerisTrade fluffypony, the separate IRC session is understandable, but wouldn't it be more difficult to assign trust to numerisTrade, it being some sort of different entity?
07:12 pankkake sure, but it's still annoying
07:13 * fluffypony ponders
07:13 fluffypony numerisTrade: there's a solution somewhere in this, I'm just too buggered to figure it out atm :)
07:13 mircea_popescu so far it was selling excitedly at ~1% over nav, then panacea announced losses and it chilled.
07:13 mircea_popescu fluffypony see, anal sex hurts.
07:14 fluffypony mircea_popescu: depends on whether or not you're the recipient
07:14 mircea_popescu pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2014#651792
07:14 mircea_popescu you gotta be on chan to trade on news.
07:14 pankkake I know, I added a hilight on mpif
07:15 numerisTrade or in general, how a "bitcoin corporation" should be managed?
07:15 pankkake though I wasn't there after, it wouldn't have mattered, since coinbr seems to be manual in every way
07:15 numerisTrade fluffypony, thx anyway :)
07:16 mircea_popescu pankkake well you could have made an arrangement with anyone with an acct in the interim i guess, but srsly : you won't conceivably be locked out of shares, so. nothing to worry about on that score.
07:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.48045998 = 14.8943 BTC [-] {9}
07:16 pankkake we'll see
07:16 mircea_popescu fluffypony of all the people i know that lost their cockthread thing whatever you call it, all lost it to a puckered butthole.
07:16 mircea_popescu so... not necessarily.
07:19 fluffypony numerisTrade: ok here's an idea - you have a mutual note in the WoT from personalnick1 to numerisTrade saying that personalnick1 is a representative of the company. same goes for personalnick2. because the WoT is meant to be interpreted and not viewed as a cumulative score or whatever, anyone trading with you can be told to check the numerisTrade WoT. once the trade is complete you can ask them to rate numerisTrade for the business and rate
07:19 fluffypony you for the interaction.
07:20 mircea_popescu that's pretty much how it works.
07:20 pankkake ;;gpg info bitbet
07:20 gribble No such user registered.
07:20 pankkake ;;gpg info mpex
07:20 gribble No such user registered.
07:21 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust mtgox
07:21 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mtgox: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mtgox | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mtgox | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:39 2010
07:21 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust karpeles
07:21 numerisTrade thanks, fluffypony, great idea! should the numerisTrade WoT account be able to rate personalnick_i as well?
07:21 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user karpeles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=karpeles | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=karpeles | Rated since: never
07:21 pankkake ;;getrating magicaltux
07:21 gribble Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
07:21 pankkake ;;rated magicaltux
07:21 gribble You rated user magicaltux on Thu Feb 27 08:13:53 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: ate all the coins.
07:21 mircea_popescu numerisTrade yes, you go "Operator of this service"
07:21 fluffypony numerisTrade: yes exactly - the mutual WoT note is how they can confirm it
07:21 numerisTrade thanks, mircea_popescu
07:22 fluffypony personalnick1 rates numerisTrade "I am one of the operators of numerisTrade", numerisTrade rates personalnick1 "This is one of the operators of this service"
07:22 fluffypony if at any time you sell the company / leave / die / whatever that rating could be updated to reflect that
07:23 numerisTrade ok, I wil apply this.
07:23 fluffypony "Was one of the operators, got hit by a bus"
07:23 mircea_popescu "we wish him a happy valhalla"
07:23 fluffypony lol
07:25 mircea_popescu you know, you never hear much of folkvangr
07:25 fluffypony ;;google folkvangr
07:25 gribble Fólkvangr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3lkvangr>; Death in Norse paganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Norse_paganism>; Norse Mythology | Locations in Scandinavia & Germantic Countries: <http://www.viking-mythology.com/locations.php>
07:26 mircea_popescu fluffypony odin gets half the dead. freya the other half.
07:26 fluffypony got it
07:27 numerisTrade by the way, would you like to comment the repo trades we offer? http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html
07:27 mircea_popescu well now that i know you do, yes, lol.
07:27 mircea_popescu first comment being that blobspot sucks.
07:28 pankkake weird not even a folkvangr in my music library
07:28 mircea_popescu numerisTrade how do you take the collateral ?
07:28 pankkake at least it's not the new style blogspot that requires javascript
07:28 numerisTrade I know, I know. It's just that we didn't want to focus on the website at first
07:28 mircea_popescu pankkake i know right ? an even split turns through the meta ear of humanity into an 99.99999% - 0% split. goes to show just how cultivated your average human alive is.
07:29 mircea_popescu for instance : i would prefer to go live with the goddess of fuck than with some boastful hipster that ~is destined to fail and die~.
07:29 numerisTrade in ripple fiat-denominated IOUs
07:29 mircea_popescu wait.
07:29 mircea_popescu what ?!
07:30 numerisTrade the purpose of it is to be withdrawable from bitstamp et alia
07:30 pankkake I wasn't aware BitstampEUR existed
07:30 mircea_popescu ok i have to say that is the most obnoxiously stupid thing i heard all year. wtf.
07:30 mircea_popescu numerisTrade so if the guy gives you the ripple iou and walks what do you do ?
07:31 numerisTrade it's the bitstamp IOU. I redeem it at bitstamp and exchange to BTC
07:31 pankkake mircea_popescu: the IOU is towards the exchange, so I don't really see the issue
07:31 mircea_popescu oh so only ious issued by bitstamp ?
07:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00097406 = 21.3319 BTC [-] {2}
07:31 numerisTrade yes, ofc :)
07:32 mircea_popescu what if bitstamp locks your account for engaging in money laundering ?
07:32 numerisTrade then I have a problem
07:32 pankkake well, you can sell/transfer on ripple… actually, ripple is doing the money laundering for bitstamp
07:32 mircea_popescu well, did you check this product you're offering with them ?
07:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5572 @ 0.00012908 = 0.7192 BTC [+] {4}
07:32 numerisTrade I can convert to TheRock, but if this is locked as well...
07:32 pankkake which is actually why I'm wondering why Ripple is still a thing with those big exchanges
07:33 mircea_popescu pankkake because nobody gave a shit yet because they have bigger fires to put out because nobody uses ripple.
07:33 pankkake that's my guess, but still, weird
07:33 mircea_popescu kinda, yea.
07:33 mircea_popescu then again, goxusd used to be a thing.
07:33 mircea_popescu then... it went away one day.
07:33 pankkake as with ripple, you can clearly transfer fiat IOUs between accounts, no funny internet money in between
07:34 numerisTrade mircea_popescu, you're right. But there aren't many other possibilities to take collateral
07:34 mircea_popescu numerisTrade but did you check your plan with bitstamp
07:35 numerisTrade If you're asking whether we tried it out, the answer is yes.
07:35 mircea_popescu no, whether you went to whoever runs bitstamp and said, "hey, this is what we plan to do, do you see any problems and can we rely on you for it."
07:36 numerisTrade no, not yet. It is a good idea though, thanks.
07:37 mircea_popescu well, this points to a structural problem in your business planning process.
07:37 numerisTrade I'm all ears
07:37 mircea_popescu you gotta be able to identify all your stakeholders, and you gotta have at least talked to them.
07:37 mircea_popescu but if you fail to even identify them, that's a strategic failure. failure to talk to them compounds operational failure on top of strategic failure and is how "surprises" happen
07:38 mircea_popescu the sort that are surprising to everyone except you know, businessmen.
07:38 mircea_popescu moving on : how do you expect to compete with stuff like x.eur (which also gets no volume worth the mention, come to think of it)
07:41 numerisTrade x.eur is a slightly different product, it's a future, not a repurchase agreement, and so it serves a little bit different purposes (e.g. cannot be used as a secured loan). besides. it's not otc
07:41 mircea_popescu well technically yours is not otc either, it's on ripple.
07:41 numerisTrade so we didn't think of it as a competition actually
07:42 numerisTrade otc as in not standarised and on central order book
07:42 mircea_popescu well that is also a point of strategic failure. because competition it is, definitely : one wanting to short btc can either buy euros for delivery on bc at his option, or enter in your cfd.
07:42 mircea_popescu and the unrepresented risk you have here is that if there's two slightly different products addressing roughly the same market,
07:42 pankkake I should write a "price translator" for X.EUR. perhaps combine it with my existing B-C bot
07:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03129704 = 0.2504 BTC [-]
07:43 mircea_popescu you can easily end up with the traintracks problem
07:43 pankkake though for my use I don't see much of an advantage vs. trading on B-C directly
07:43 numerisTrade in that matter, yes it is.
07:43 mircea_popescu that is, what if all the good business flocks to one and all the scammers to the other ?
07:43 mircea_popescu which is exactly what strategic planning for businesses is : "foreseeing" these problems and addressing them.
07:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
07:44 numerisTrade obviously, we're scammed, then :) by the way, thanks for pointing the stakeholder issue
07:44 mircea_popescu yw.
07:44 numerisTrade traintracks problem? could you explain, please?
07:45 mircea_popescu it's an us idiom. old style (esp southern) towns had a "right side of the tracks", where respectable people lived
07:45 mircea_popescu and a wrong side, where mostly the blacks were quartered.
07:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
07:46 mircea_popescu preventing such a fate for bitcoin, for instance, has been 90% of all the work of 2012 and 2013
07:47 numerisTrade returning for the while to the competition issue, currently, the main problem is the volume, not too tight competition, as I believe
07:47 mircea_popescu pankkake the x.eur has the advantage that being supported by push txn and exchange sigs, you can enter into derivative gpg contracts of infinite complexity and actual otc quality on its basis.
07:47 mircea_popescu numerisTrade but "currently" can not stand as an argument in a strategic matter.
07:48 pankkake well, perhaps, but I can't and don't need those things yet :)
07:48 mircea_popescu whether the bridge is built well or badly is not related to whether it currently rains
07:48 mircea_popescu pankkake that's fine eh :D
07:48 pankkake nor do I get much lower trade fees on coinbr (0.5 vs. 0.59)
07:50 numerisTrade but you are actually right that x.eur is a good base for otc derivatives
07:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00097071 = 19.0259 BTC [-] {3}
07:51 numerisTrade you've given us much to think about
07:52 mircea_popescu numerisTrade if you'll stand the statement, i'll say that this has been an illuminating exercise as to the value of higher education. while you're a trained economist and the average forum dweller is a highschool drop-out, you and them are both about equally inept in business. the one difference is that your higher training allows you to understand what i say, and their lack of education denies them same.
07:54 numerisTrade I'll regard that as a compliment
07:55 pankkake I would have to agree on economists being inept at business. not that it's bad, they can be good economists, it's just another domain
07:56 mircea_popescu pankkake it's more of a "go to college my son, not so you can do great things, but so you may understand why the men doing great things are laughing at you, and laugh with them."
07:56 mircea_popescu the specialisation isn't really all that important.
07:58 numerisTrade nevertheless, it's true that we're still learning
08:00 mircea_popescu well this has been a productive morning. and outside... it's sunny, but rain drops are falling
08:01 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ejR01W8fks
08:01 ozbot raindrops keep falling on my head - YouTube
08:03 pankkake so today's big news is that zuckerberg drops the hoodie
08:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00458548 = 0.2568 BTC [+]
08:06 pankkake also http://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-14:08.tcp.asc
08:10 fluffypony lol, pankkake, someone commented on that - "INB4 Technology blogs think they're clever naming this FreeBleed."
08:11 mircea_popescu Affects: All supported versions of FreeBSD.
08:11 mircea_popescu cute.
08:12 pankkake and the many OSes which copied that TCP stack
08:13 mircea_popescu which is afaik everyone
08:13 mircea_popescu who wrote their own tcp stack ? netbsd ?
08:14 pankkake I don't think OpenBSD has the same, and nor does Linux of course
08:15 mircea_popescu myeah.
08:21 mircea_popescu %t
08:21 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 220 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 116k High: 225 Low: 195 VWAP: 217
08:22 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: while this is a public place, it isn't necessarily fairly distributed to shareholders << that is an option the shareholders take on their own backs.
08:22 mircea_popescu someone not reading the logs is making a conscious and deliberate move.
08:24 mircea_popescu "I've been a few months there and no problem. If only they allowed btc/usd trading..." uh color me fucking confused. isn't that EXACTLY what bit4x does ?
08:25 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
08:25 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.43373066 BTC
08:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00096904 = 14.9717 BTC [-] {2}
08:29 mircea_popescu "Perhaps URLs are just destined to be an implementation detail that the next generation of users won’t even know exists. Maybe I was crazy to think that URLs were a permanent part of our culture. Still, I’ll miss the damn things. Let’s pour one out for the URL."
08:29 mircea_popescu what the fuck perhaps.
08:29 mircea_popescu i will burn apple and facebook in urine before i give up the url.
08:29 mircea_popescu who the fuck cares about some shitty us corps already, jesus christ on a popsicle.
08:30 pankkake they already buried the http(s):// :(
08:31 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/tx/6ea5c6f1a97f382f87523d13ef9f2ef17b828607107efdbba42a80b8a6555356
08:32 ozbot Bitcoin Transaction 6ea5c6f1a97f382f87523d13ef9f2ef17b828607107efdbba42a80b8a6555356
08:32 mircea_popescu blockchain is back to that number.
08:32 mircea_popescu pankkake so they like to think.
08:33 pankkake chrome devs even refuse to make it an option
08:33 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i could see people who aren't writers/thinkers being perfectly ok with the "cleanliness" of buried urls << yeah, because to the idiot everything that he doesn't grok is dirty.
08:33 mircea_popescu pankkake well i don't use chrome.
08:34 pankkake no one should, but that's not the point :)
08:34 mircea_popescu meanwhile yes, they are killing in my logs.
08:34 mircea_popescu 40% of all traffic or some shit like that.
08:35 asciilifeform FreeBSD << obligatorily mumbles, 'don't blame the mice.'
08:35 fluffypony Google Ultron is a MUCH better browser than Chrome
08:35 fluffypony plus NASA uses it so you know it's good
08:35 fluffypony </obscure_reference>
08:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.0700174 = 5.1113 BTC [-] {7}
08:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform blame everyone involved.
08:36 mircea_popescu equally, and equal to the entire pot.
08:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
08:37 mircea_popescu fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, good food definitely wasn't on their priority list of "cool places to show Riccardo" << so what happened, her two boyfriends took you around town to party ?
08:37 fluffypony mircea_popescu: much worse than that - her dad played tour guide
08:37 mircea_popescu punkman: fluffypony, because someone smart left the keys on the door (on the inside) << were these... gpg keys ?
08:37 fluffypony I'd have loved it if she had two boyfriends who took me out to party, at least I would've had a godo time
08:37 mircea_popescu badoom-tsks
08:37 fluffypony *good
08:38 mircea_popescu your slutometer is clearly broken.
08:38 fluffypony clearly
08:38 asciilifeform wtf, is this 'the onion'? 'urls abolished?' what'd i wake up do
08:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform welcome to 2023.
08:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.03102422 = 1.0238 BTC [-] {6}
08:39 mircea_popescu fluffypony i once lost my watch. the only one time i lost my watch. i was completely wtf'd as to where i could have put the thing ?! or maybe... justmaybe... some handslight actually got it off me and now i'm never going to hear the end of "o lalala i stole mps watch lalala" *whack* ?
08:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.0293048 = 1.9927 BTC [-] {10}
08:39 mircea_popescu so the father of this cute schoolgirl gives me back my watch.
08:40 mircea_popescu he had found it.
08:40 mircea_popescu he had found it, at their 2nd town appt, where the girl's grandmother lived in the summers, which was atm empty being winter.
08:40 mircea_popescu he had found it, on this particular bedside niche hidden spot that's only accessible really if you're lying in bed
08:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03349828 = 0.737 BTC [+] {7}
08:40 mircea_popescu he had found it, because he was there with his wife... and they...well... they got a little frisky
08:41 mircea_popescu and so...
08:41 fluffypony lol
08:41 mircea_popescu awkward moment ensues, im trying to recall if the girl's 16 even...
08:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.03395502 = 0.3735 BTC [+] {11}
08:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.029 = 0.174 BTC [-] {6}
08:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03441776 = 0.413 BTC [+] {12}
08:43 fluffypony that must've been a fun convo
08:43 mircea_popescu "Taaki is an Iranian-British free-market anarchist and developer of high-profile bitcoin projects like the decentralized online marketplace prototype DarkMarket"
08:43 mircea_popescu ok that's fucking it. wired is under embargo from now on.
08:43 mircea_popescu YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKWITS GET YOUR FUCKING HEADS OUT OF YOUR FUCKING POOP CHUTES AND DO SOME RESEARCH.
08:43 mircea_popescu fluffypony actually it ended there. what was he doing to say.
08:43 asciilifeform wait, that taaki?
08:43 asciilifeform bob the goat-builder?
08:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [+] {3}
08:44 fluffypony cue movie voice over guy: DARK (dark dark dark) MARKET (market market market)
08:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. wired is below fucking daily mail.
08:44 asciilifeform lol!
08:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03574998 = 0.429 BTC [+] {12}
08:45 asciilifeform incidentally, the term 'wired' in usa is not always to do with wires. it is also a traditional euphemism for tripping on strong dope.
08:45 mircea_popescu "learn the secret nigerian dairy farmers hate : how an Edinburgh mum built a functioning goat out of tooth paste and some wood shavings"
08:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03674998 = 0.294 BTC [+] {8}
08:46 asciilifeform 'mr dope was quite wired, spent three days re-arranging hammers in tool chest'
08:46 fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv568AzZ-i8
08:46 ozbot What We Do in the Shadows - Official Trailer - YouTube
08:47 mircea_popescu anyway, it's refreshing to see that a) taaki is continuing his gofer career, because that's what the guy does, much a la gmaxwell : he tries to associate with important projects in the hopes that people with money are stupid enough to go by what fucktarded ragazines publish, and so maybe he can get some.
08:47 mircea_popescu this plan isn't working, the guy lived in squalor in 2004 and lives in squalor today and will live in squalor in 2024 too
08:47 asciilifeform seems to contradict the biologists' maxim 'parasite is either fat or dead'
08:47 mircea_popescu but b) that he's fucking moved on from bitcoin and now is reduced to trying to leech geeks a la cody wilson. that's a net positive.
08:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well this one parasite is ugly.
08:48 asciilifeform the little fleas, have smaller fleas, ... etc
08:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03716666 = 0.223 BTC [+] {6}
08:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03794999 = 0.3795 BTC [+] {10}
08:50 asciilifeform http://everything2.com/title/I+knew+I+couldn%2527t+build+a+cat
08:50 ozbot I knew I couldn't build a cat - Everything2.com
08:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03881249 = 0.3105 BTC [+] {8}
08:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738544 = 0.2216 BTC [+] {3}
08:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03908 = 0.1954 BTC [+] {5}
08:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03946665 = 0.2368 BTC [+] {6}
08:55 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.000215 = 2.15 BTC
08:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03987498 = 0.1595 BTC [+] {4}
08:56 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 5000 @ 0.000215 = 1.075 BTC
08:56 random_cat and here i thought taake was a lame norwegian black metal band
08:56 mircea_popescu "Google reaped both sides of the coin, got money from the advertisers, used the publishers, and didn’t
08:56 mircea_popescu have to pay them a single penny. We were told to go and look into the publishers accounts, and if any
08:56 mircea_popescu publisher had accumulated earnings exceeding $5000 and was near a payout or in the process of a
08:56 mircea_popescu payout, we were to ban the account right away and reverse the earnings back. They kept saying it was
08:56 mircea_popescu needed for the company, and that most of these publishers were ripping Google off anyways, and that
08:56 mircea_popescu their gravy train needed to end. Many employees were not happy about this. A few resigned over it.
08:56 mircea_popescu I did not. I stayed because I had a family to support, and secondly I wanted to see how far they would
08:56 mircea_popescu go."
08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04004899 = 0.4005 BTC [+] {7}
08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
08:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00096659 = 17.7369 BTC [-] {2}
08:59 mircea_popescu The new policy; "shelter the possible problem makers, and fuck the rest" (those words were actually said by a Google AdSense exec) when he spoke about the new procedure and policy for "Account Quality Control".
09:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096524 = 4.2471 BTC [-] {2}
09:00 mircea_popescu punkman that's actually quite well matched to market signals. i wonder if anyone'll ever investigate these matters. seems sort-of like a probe in gazprom.
09:00 mircea_popescu no soviets ever investigate teh crown jool.
09:04 mircea_popescu "It involved skewing data in Google Analytics. They decided it was a good idea to alter the statistical data shown for websites. It first began with just altering data reports for Analytics account holders that also had an AdSense account, but they ran into too many issues and decided it would be simpler just to skew the report data across the board to remain consistent and implement features globally."
09:04 mircea_popescu ok im republishing this shit.
09:05 mircea_popescu +why
09:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02850064 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {3}
09:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
09:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0295619 = 0.2956 BTC [+] {10}
09:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02983268 = 0.2685 BTC [+] {9}
~ 18 minutes ~
09:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03099998 = 0.248 BTC [+] {8}
09:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03540211 = 0.177 BTC [-] {4}
09:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
09:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03947965 = 0.2369 BTC [+] {6}
09:38 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/
09:38 ozbot The Serious IPO, a moment in the life and times of forum investing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po
09:39 pankkake that was my thought when I saw the pic
09:39 pankkake they have the same photoshop skillz
09:41 mircea_popescu now someone make a forum account put that shit up there.
09:41 pankkake informationS is usually how I spot French guys writing in English
09:41 mircea_popescu not just french.
09:41 mircea_popescu also ex french colonies
09:41 mircea_popescu (aka africa)
09:49 jurov uh oh mpif is on
09:49 pankkake yeah jurov stop scamming us
09:49 mircea_popescu jurov hai.
09:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+] {2}
09:53 jurov hi mircea
09:54 jurov buying mpif viac oinbr works nao
09:54 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 30000 @ 0.000215 = 6.45 BTC
09:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03450424 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3}
09:55 mircea_popescu win.
09:55 mircea_popescu jurov for a moment there i thought you may be off on something ungodly like i dunno, a 1st may vacatgion or something
09:56 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4765 @ 0.000215 = 1.0245 BTC
09:56 jurov no, that was tonight ;D
09:56 pankkake the French are forbidden to work today! it's work day
09:56 mircea_popescu lol
09:58 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 37650 @ 0.000215 = 8.0948 BTC
10:01 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4750 @ 0.000215 = 1.0213 BTC
10:03 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591758.0 who's that
10:03 ozbot PROSLIMBS INC AMAZING INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY
10:04 jurov assbot does not react to ozbot? or it's only the capitals?
10:04 asciilifeform happy w☭rkers' day, compadres.
10:04 jurov how do you called comrade in russia? tovarish?
10:05 asciilifeform jurov: товарищ
10:05 jurov indeed. we called them "súdruh","súdružka"
10:06 asciilifeform aha slovak
10:06 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4628 @ 0.000215 = 0.995 BTC
10:06 fluffypony pankkake: me
10:06 jurov while "družka" is more like life and sexual partner.. dunno how commies though it's appropriate
10:06 pankkake cool
10:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03191666 = 0.1915 BTC [+] {6}
10:09 mircea_popescu drugi srsly ?!
10:09 fluffypony NotLambchop is my favourite person on the securities subforum lately
10:09 asciilifeform what's remarkable here ?
10:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the part where they call party members bffs ?
10:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
10:11 asciilifeform and a priest is 'father', no one thinks this odd
10:11 mircea_popescu actually i do, but anyway.
10:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03801236 = 0.3041 BTC [+] {8}
10:11 mircea_popescu wouldn't you find it odd if some othrodox country actually called the priest "cousin" ?
10:11 jurov not just party members, everyone was supposed to do it, like "mr." and "ms." equivalent
10:11 asciilifeform aye
10:11 asciilifeform anyway, for the noobs, the slavic languages are almost 'plug-compatible,' just gotta bend a few pins.
10:11 Apocalyptic I heard fico likes to be called that way
10:12 mircea_popescu same here. tovarasi was so commie-imbued in romanian it pretty much died out
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03878541 = 0.2715 BTC [+] {7}
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850187 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}
10:12 asciilifeform not a bad occasion to stop and wonder, what ordinary words of today will die the same death.
10:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03919196 = 0.196 BTC [+] {5}
10:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
10:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02850121 = 0.114 BTC [-]
10:13 mircea_popescu liberal is pretty much dead. libertard will probably survive.
10:13 asciilifeform liberast.
10:14 mircea_popescu the only thing that connotes in english is rastafarian
10:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.039 = 0.156 BTC [-] {4}
10:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0285008 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}
10:14 mircea_popescu which are like, the pre-pastafarian pastafarians.
10:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0325714 = 0.228 BTC [+] {7}
10:16 kakobrekla !up venzen
10:16 assbot Voicing venzen for 30 minutes.
10:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03257113 = 0.228 BTC [-] {7}
10:16 kakobrekla fyi, you need a voice to speak here
10:16 venzen hehe, HeySteve just dropped off
10:16 kakobrekla you can get voiced yourself once you get some wot rating from someone close enough to assbot
10:16 venzen ok, thanks kakobrekla
10:17 mircea_popescu lol the small amount of oppression. the oppressed don't even know about it!
10:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03299666 = 0.198 BTC [+] {6}
10:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0340005 = 0.136 BTC [-] {3}
10:17 venzen ok, i will hangaround and wait for someone i know
10:18 mike_c that bit4x email is great. "You are not too bright. All Best, Matic"
10:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03299466 = 0.198 BTC [-] {6}
10:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0340002 = 0.17 BTC [-] {3}
10:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03333298 = 0.3 BTC [+] {9}
10:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03319918 = 0.166 BTC [-] {3}
10:20 jurov !up HeySteve
10:20 assbot Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
10:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0335428 = 0.2348 BTC [+] {7}
10:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.00543609 = 0.3207 BTC [-] {4}
10:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03285 = 0.3285 BTC [-] {2}
10:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03355708 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {7}
10:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:21 kakobrekla so HeySteve you know this venzen guy ?
10:22 mike_c kakobrekla: pif trades are flowing. thanks.
10:22 kakobrekla mike_c :)
10:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.033566 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6}
10:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0323501 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {4}
10:23 kakobrekla mike_c btw, i summed the missed ones in a single 470k trade
10:23 kakobrekla so the vol should be correct, just timing a little off
10:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:24 mike_c ok. that's not far off from what happened anyway i believe. couple big blocks sold.
10:24 fluffypony mike_c: which bit4x email?
10:24 kakobrekla wha?
10:24 mike_c fluffypony: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#652502
10:24 fluffypony tks
10:25 kakobrekla o yeah, we now have venzen here cause of that post, allegedly a friend of heysteve.
10:25 kakobrekla no wot yet, so let see how that goes.
10:26 mircea_popescu http://zonadestiri.com/florin-popescu-a-cerut-70-tone-de-pui-pentru-a-le-da-cetatenilor-in-campania-electorala-2012-nitu-i-a-trimis-lui-cazanciuc-referatul-dna-pentru/ << florin popescu guy looks just like fucking karpeles.
10:26 fluffypony lol
10:26 mircea_popescu kakobrekla whichg post ?
10:26 kakobrekla the one mike just linked
10:27 mircea_popescu aok
10:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
10:29 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: do you have a definition of a n00b lying around?
10:29 mircea_popescu not voiced here ?
10:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.033599 = 0.4032 BTC [-] {3}
10:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03150111 = 0.378 BTC [-] {4}
10:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.06474168 = 0.8416 BTC [-] {3}
10:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.033599 = 0.4032 BTC [-]
10:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00097085 = 5.5338 BTC [+]
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6301 @ 0.00097085 = 6.1173 BTC [+]
10:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06867792 = 6.8678 BTC [-] {9}
10:45 kakobrekla http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF
10:45 ozbot F.MPIF last 4628@0.00021500
10:45 kakobrekla lol top ask = scam
10:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 160 @ 0.06775852 = 10.8414 BTC [-] {3}
10:46 pankkake reminds me of gold old sandstorm on havelock
10:46 kakobrekla what happened there?
10:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07379992 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
10:46 pankkake sold all (~100 BTC) in a few minutes and resold at 10× price right after
10:47 kakobrekla who?
10:47 pankkake and that was a fund, too. don't know who
10:47 kakobrekla lolk
10:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00097104 = 10.4387 BTC [+] {2}
10:53 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 200000 @ 0.000215 = 43 BTC
10:53 jurov um...is marketmaker allowed to front run the IPO?
10:54 mike_c ooh, the pif liquidity manager runs a brokerage.
10:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03599787 = 0.756 BTC [+] {2}
10:55 mike_c that seems like an opportunity for something
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850035 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}
10:56 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 40000 @ 0.000215 = 8.6 BTC
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3885 BTC [-]
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03599787 = 0.216 BTC [+]
10:57 jurov mike_c: clients can see mpex receipts, so i can't do any straightforward meddling
10:58 kakobrekla anyone can see the your full stat ?
10:58 ThickAsThieves he'll be reporting all trades at least
10:58 ThickAsThieves if i recall
10:58 mircea_popescu !t m f.mpif
10:58 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC)
10:58 mircea_popescu holy.
10:59 jurov yes, i'm going to.. but for not i have to seize the opportunity by hand
10:59 mircea_popescu mk ima add another 1mn shares then.
11:00 jurov oh, at the same price?
11:00 mircea_popescu well yes.
11:00 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 167195 @ 0.000215 = 35.9469 BTC
11:00 jurov lolk.. there goes easy profit
11:00 fluffypony well there's that
11:02 mike_c um, doesn't that completely change the fund? what would you do with the next 200 btc?
11:02 ThickAsThieves it goes to fund assets
11:02 mircea_popescu mike_c dump some moar into jdice, for instance.
11:03 ThickAsThieves shouldnt mp be listed as a manager?
11:03 pankkake the just-dice one can easily be grown (though profit will not grow exactly linearly)
11:03 mircea_popescu general manager even
11:03 ThickAsThieves right
11:04 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.000215 = 2.15 BTC
11:04 mike_c seems like if you raise more funds it will turn into the panacea/JD fund. the other pcs can't handle much more capital.
11:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03669396 = 0.3669 BTC [+] {7}
11:05 mircea_popescu mike_c i think it varies a lot over time too. for instance, pc4 is currentl;y very little exposed. but as a lot of bets are med term, 6 months, 1 yr
11:05 mircea_popescu the weight of its book will eventually end up significant
11:05 ThickAsThieves regarding my previous comments on bingoboingo soliciting trade info from others, i guess i kind of see it as the MPEx as the purported/aspiring to be SRO in the space. in that sense i think the long-term view might be to consider whether this is really a best practice, and further whether this channel would ultimately serve as fair info distribution to shareholders
11:06 mircea_popescu mpif is also not obliged to put ALL its capital into pcs, it can keep a reserve
11:06 asciilifeform in what sense is the channel anything other than public ?
11:06 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this channel does serve as the info distribution for all bitcoin finance.
11:06 mircea_popescu this is so by fiat.
11:06 ThickAsThieves it's not a question of whether this is public
11:07 asciilifeform in other news,
11:07 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/04/nsa-ghostmachine-echobase.pdf
11:07 asciilifeform (long time, no turds!)
11:07 fluffypony awwww
11:07 fluffypony they deleted my PROSLIMBS posts
11:08 mircea_popescu who's they ?
11:08 fluffypony moderators
11:08 ThickAsThieves it removes possibility of being a passive investor in any regard, which i suppose is okay with the right support systems in place
11:08 fluffypony https://bitcointa.lk/threads/proslimbs-inc-amazing-investment-opportunity.307614/
11:08 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
11:08 fluffypony it's still there
11:08 ozbot PROSLIMBS INC AMAZING INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY | Bitcointa.lk
11:08 fluffypony but not on the regular forum
11:09 ThickAsThieves having to parse this log all day is relatively shitty a requirement, no?
11:09 asciilifeform 'what do you mean i have to dip them!'
11:09 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves how do you mean ?
11:09 mircea_popescu why can't oine be a passive investor ?
11:09 kakobrekla mircea_popescu he means too many people have voice
11:10 ThickAsThieves sorta
11:10 ThickAsThieves and that not all info here is relevant
11:10 mircea_popescu so wait, we're letting TOO MANY people talk ?
11:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17378 @ 0.00097179 = 16.8878 BTC [+] {3}
11:10 mircea_popescu i thought you hated the +m originally >D
11:10 pankkake no, just talk too much :)
11:10 mircea_popescu o that.
11:10 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014&bots=true#509005
11:10 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
11:10 ThickAsThieves well it's not #MPIF
11:10 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this is precisely why being a financial professional is... you know... a profession.
11:10 pankkake perhaps the unexisting Trilema TL;DR should also be assets TL;DR
11:11 mircea_popescu if you mean it removes the possibility of expecting to meet the performance of professionals on the budget and investment of an amateur, yes, this is correct.
11:11 mircea_popescu also desirable and unavoidalb.e
11:11 ThickAsThieves right, so what i meant by support systems for passive investors, might be, having independent investment managers
11:11 mircea_popescu right.
11:11 mircea_popescu and stuff like btcalpha.
11:11 mircea_popescu ie, exactly how markets work, because it's exactly how sanity requires.
11:12 ThickAsThieves sure
11:12 ThickAsThieves but back to soliciting trade info
11:12 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: so why don't we find someone who can spend 2-3 hours a day parsing the logs and making an overview/digest and putting it up, and then put that up on a paywall'd site, the proceeds of which pay their salary?
11:12 ThickAsThieves because it's not "we"'s problem
11:12 mircea_popescu ^ fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business.
11:12 asciilifeform fluffypony: have you hired someone to chew your food? why not?
11:13 dub IRC professionalz in hurr
11:13 ThickAsThieves how do classify the allowance of the practice of your fund manager soliciting trade info from others?
11:13 bounce didn't we have an expert digester sadly out of a job recently?
11:14 fluffypony dub :)
11:14 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what'd he do exactly ?
11:14 mircea_popescu bounce who that ?
11:14 FabianB ;;calc 213.15567101*0.9822
11:14 gribble 209.361500066
11:15 fluffypony asciilifeform: I don't need a digest, I have the time to parse the forum, but if I get caught up in things I can imagine I simply wouldn't have the time for it on an ongoing, daily basis
11:15 asciilifeform fluffypony: what do you plan to get caught up in, that leaves no possibility of reading log? polar expedition?
11:15 * mircea_popescu wonders what 9822 is
11:15 ThickAsThieves <+ThickAsThieves> well i was pretty sure the 400k ask was you
11:15 ThickAsThieves <+ThickAsThieves> i interpreted it as you forcing things
11:15 ThickAsThieves <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Well, that is in the statement
11:15 ThickAsThieves <+ThickAsThieves> yes, it confirmed my suspicion
11:15 ThickAsThieves <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Were you the buyer?
11:16 FabianB ;;calc 100-1.78
11:16 gribble 98.22
11:16 FabianB mircea_popescu: ^^
11:16 mircea_popescu FabianB but... ummm
11:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
11:16 FabianB mircea_popescu: just a funny way to make a bid order in f.mpif
11:16 mircea_popescu a) that was for april and b) panacea is like 20%ish of mpif
11:16 mircea_popescu aok
11:17 FabianB mircea_popescu: panaceas -1.78
11:17 mircea_popescu FabianB but mpif already reported no loss from panacea in april.
11:17 fluffypony asciilifeform: it takes me a few hours to catch up when I miss stuff (including reading posted links, researching stuff I don't understand, etc.), I don't always have a few hours loose every day, and you know how it goes once you let it slip for a few days - it's easier to just skip the few days you missed
11:18 mircea_popescu related : May 01 01:46:17 <mircea_popescu>mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.
11:18 FabianB no loss for next month?
11:18 mircea_popescu FabianB you expect panacea to lose 1.78 twice in a row ?
11:18 FabianB nah
11:18 mircea_popescu but yeah i get it, you wanted some numbers to put in a formula
11:18 FabianB so mpif invested after the loss?
11:19 mircea_popescu i should hope
11:19 fluffypony wth - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591044.msg6490402#msg6490402
11:19 FabianB mircea_popescu: yeah, just that, already bought into the big ask and still wanted to have bids below
11:19 fluffypony "Hello. my name Ewelina S. iam from Poland. in 25 of march i make order for Terra miner 2tgh/s for 5.999$ +1.108$ shipping. I am a single mother who raises two children.I borrowed these monay from family and friends for the development of investment btc.At the moment, my financial situation has changed for the worse, and I was forced to resign from the ordered equipment.Please help me recover my money.If I lose these money i dont know what
11:19 jurov well, i now realize my position is a bit problematic, not cause i'm a broker
11:19 fluffypony will happen with my life.I do not have any contact with Ct please HELP"
11:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07377667 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
11:19 jurov but cause i can implement very slightly flawed mm strategy
11:19 mircea_popescu jurov how do you mean ?
11:19 jurov in order to extract more profit
11:19 jurov for myself
11:19 kakobrekla mpif balance in panacea is 50 btc
11:20 thestringpuller !jd MPIF
11:20 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.43159607 BTC
11:20 jurov or i can be accused to at least
11:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
11:20 mircea_popescu jurov how'd it go ?
11:20 ThickAsThieves jurov wasnt it addressed that front-running would be a fireable offense?
11:20 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves afaik.
11:21 ThickAsThieves while you *could* implement programmatic ways to do so, i'm not sure you could hide the suspicious activity totally
11:21 mike_c i don't think jurov is in a different situation than anyone else. BingoBoingo could trade the markets on his own book, hanbot could place bets with her own money, etc.
11:21 ThickAsThieves but you are right on the flipside
11:21 ThickAsThieves what if you it looks suspicious, but iisnt an offense
11:21 jurov say, i'd open another anon mpex account and trade the mpif with myself from there
11:21 ThickAsThieves how do you defend yourself
11:22 mircea_popescu jurov so you make losses in your pc acct ?
11:22 ThickAsThieves or less profit than he might have therwise
11:22 mike_c all the pif managers are on the honor system. i assume suspicious behaviors will result in execution by general manager.
11:23 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well one's fraud and other's breach of duty of care
11:23 ThickAsThieves well theyre both fraud,
11:23 ThickAsThieves what i meant was
11:23 ThickAsThieves rather than make loss
11:23 ThickAsThieves he could skim
11:23 ThickAsThieves say he wouldve made 5%
11:23 ThickAsThieves and skims it down to 3%
11:24 mircea_popescu it's still front running tho, and pretty visible
11:24 ThickAsThieves what if someone frames him
11:24 mircea_popescu how would someone frame him ?
11:24 ThickAsThieves well let's change that,
11:25 ThickAsThieves what if trades look suspicious
11:25 ThickAsThieves how does he defend himself
11:26 mircea_popescu but listen, he maintains the book.
11:26 mircea_popescu so he has whatever, an order at 5.
11:26 mircea_popescu anyone can go on top of that, at 5.1
11:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850252 = 0.171 BTC [-] {4}
11:26 mircea_popescu so why'd this look suspicious ?
11:26 ThickAsThieves say he front runs selectively how do we prove guilt or innocence
11:27 mircea_popescu actually! this brings a very useful clarification.
11:27 mircea_popescu jurov : stay outside of 1% of nav on either direction.
11:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
11:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 19 @ 0.14 = 2.66 BTC
11:27 mircea_popescu that's your hard limit.
11:27 mike_c oof. nav is not a spot price..
11:27 ThickAsThieves jurov's job gets easier by the minute!
11:27 ThickAsThieves hehe
11:28 mike_c harder
11:28 mike_c now he needs a good price for nav
11:28 ThickAsThieves harder to profit yes
11:28 mircea_popescu mike_c it's not, but it's better if it's collared
11:29 mircea_popescu jurov do you follow the logic of this ?
11:31 jurov well... what if we'll bids/asks both outside nav?
11:31 mircea_popescu suppose nav is 1. you don't bid over .99 and don't ask under 1.01
11:31 ThickAsThieves then he releases more shares
11:32 mircea_popescu that way you can always be overbid by users, should they want to.
11:32 mircea_popescu i won't issue shares unless we're looking at a 105% or something like that.
11:32 fluffypony so when is someone going to fork Altcoin and call it B1tcoin?
11:32 jurov ok, i get it
11:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 9790 @ 0.0000502 = 0.4915 BTC [-] {4}
11:32 mircea_popescu ;;calc 215/213.15
11:32 gribble 1.0086793338
11:32 mircea_popescu i guess this was too far inzone.
11:33 mircea_popescu ;;calc 213*1.02
11:33 gribble 217.26
11:33 jurov current positions are 200k shares were bought at 215000 (and selling at 29000) + 7BTC
11:34 jurov plus i bought another 167195 shares myself
11:34 jurov *at 21500
11:35 mircea_popescu alrighty, i'll give you a pass on what looks like a ~0.5% loss so far for may :p
11:35 mircea_popescu $depth f.mpif
11:35 mpexbot mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: ['10000 @ 0.0002113', '20000 @ 0.00020936', '1000 @ 0.00020001', '100000 @ 0.0002', '1000 @ 0.0002']
11:35 mpexbot mircea_popescu: Asks: ['990000 @ 0.00021726', '1000 @ 0.00024', '200000 @ 0.00029', '10000 @ 0.0004', '10000 @ 0.001']
11:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00096862 = 10.1705 BTC [-]
11:36 jurov i don't say the 29k ask is there forever..just till i dust off the bot code
11:36 mircea_popescu anyway, mike_c et all : his job is not so bad, he gets a guaranteed 2.5% every time he flips.
11:36 mike_c i don't understand why you want to keep the price so close to NAV. This thing is supposed to make money. that is worth something. if you issue shares until price drops to close to nav than the roi will be piddling.
11:37 mike_c i am confused.
11:37 mircea_popescu mike_c there are some things conflated in there i don't follow.
11:37 ThickAsThieves so i'll instigate further, what vetting does general manager do for bot software used by managers? basically enough rope to hang themselves?
11:37 mircea_popescu first off, why would this thing "make money" other than through nav going up ?
11:37 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i don't do any, their job.
11:38 ThickAsThieves mike_c also note that when new shares are released and purchased, it increases nav for everyone
11:38 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves how ?
11:38 ThickAsThieves so early buyers still have incentive
11:38 ThickAsThieves well if you sell another 200btc
11:38 ThickAsThieves that goes to assets
11:38 mircea_popescu no, i deposited nav to get another mn shares.
11:38 jurov nav *per share* stays the same
11:38 ThickAsThieves hrm
11:39 mircea_popescu 213.2whatevetiwas
11:39 ThickAsThieves i admit i dont really follow
11:39 mike_c ok. NAV is 100 btc and there are 100 shares. investor projects fund will make 10% this year. He values this highly and is therefore willing to pay 1.06 for a share.
11:39 Apocalyptic finance is hard
11:39 mircea_popescu mike_c ok.
11:39 mike_c this is now over 5% over NAV, so you issue more shares.
11:39 mircea_popescu to him.
11:39 mircea_popescu he can't overpay by 6%, because i sell to him at 101.5
11:40 mike_c ok, he buys all of it
11:40 mircea_popescu ok.
11:40 mike_c you issue more shares
11:40 mircea_popescu someone else wants to pay over 15 pips or why do i issue more shares ?
11:41 jurov you updated the price to 21726 ?
11:41 mircea_popescu jurov yes, went out of your bounds. i was at .88% before i enacted the 1% collar for you.
11:41 mircea_popescu gave you some space.
11:41 mike_c ok, let's try this. so say this block sells out (the 2nd 200 btc). and now you stop issuing shares.
11:41 mircea_popescu (could have given you .5% but imo too narrow, so)
11:41 mircea_popescu mike_c i won't stop issuing shares.
11:41 mike_c ..
11:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#652833
11:42 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
11:42 ThickAsThieves i'm still lost on how continual issuance of shares doesnt affect NAV
11:42 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves because they're issued at nav.
11:42 mike_c that is my point. you are going to keep issuing shares until the ROI drops so low that nobody is willing to pay more than 5% over nav
11:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03949966 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}
11:43 mircea_popescu mike_c 1.5%
11:43 ThickAsThieves so when you say you 'deposit' btc to issue more shares, where does that go?
11:43 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves into the f.mpif's cash position.
11:43 mircea_popescu Cash BTC deposited in http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-april-2014-statement/
11:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03969955 = 0.1985 BTC [+] {5}
11:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
11:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02850035 = 0.1425 BTC [-]
11:44 ThickAsThieves so mpif has 200btc and then sells more shares and gets another 200btc
11:44 mircea_popescu roughly.
11:44 jurov gotta go afk, hope nav won't reach 29000/1.01 in the meantime :D
11:44 ThickAsThieves that's 400btc in coffer no?
11:44 mircea_popescu yes.
11:44 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.015**(12*20)
11:45 gribble 35.632815554
11:45 mircea_popescu that's 1.5% compounded monthly.
11:45 ThickAsThieves i get it now
11:45 ThickAsThieves nav doesnt increase so much as "weight" does
11:45 mircea_popescu exactly.
11:45 mircea_popescu and weight ~= safety.
11:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03986749 = 0.1595 BTC [-] {4}
11:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
11:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03999 = 0.2399 BTC [+] {4}
11:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02918196 = 0.321 BTC [+] {6}
11:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
11:49 ThickAsThieves mp the link on mpex.co to mpif statements is broken
11:49 ThickAsThieves points to smpif category
11:51 mike_c I'm going to try again. Funds can sell at a premium or a discount to NAV. You are basically saying you won't allow this above +/- 1.5%. The only way I can see to do this is to carry a massive cash balance in the fund.
11:51 ThickAsThieves if that's what the people want...
11:51 ThickAsThieves it would place more weight on mp's mgmt role
11:51 mike_c that's what the general manager wants.
11:52 mircea_popescu aty
11:52 mircea_popescu mike_c how does one follow from the other ?
11:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
11:53 mike_c the invested funds will grow. that is worth a premium. cash will not grow. so to keep the premium very small, cash must dominate invested funds.
11:54 mircea_popescu but listen. this is an investment fund. its business is to invest. if it does well, it would naturally receive more cash to invest.
11:54 mircea_popescu sure, in principle the later investments would attract lower margins than the earlier investments.
11:54 mircea_popescu however, this diversification also breeds security.
11:55 mircea_popescu so i guess your objection reduces to this not being a high risk/high reward enough for you thing ?
11:55 mike_c no, i don't think so.
11:55 mike_c (i don't think that's my objection)
11:55 ThickAsThieves i think we're just getting a grip on it
11:56 ThickAsThieves which was probably a large point of the "excercise" of it existing at all ;)
11:56 mircea_popescu well that's why i say
11:56 mircea_popescu exactly :)
11:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.06474168 = 0.7769 BTC [-]
11:57 mircea_popescu suppose instead of 1.5% (or the initial .88%) i charged 45%.
11:57 mircea_popescu now, anyone trying to get into this fund would first have to take a 45% haircut, as mp tax.
11:57 mircea_popescu what fucking sense does that make ?
11:58 jurov ;;calc 21726/1.01
11:58 gribble 21510.8910891
11:58 mike_c it makes sense if the fund is going to return 50%
11:58 mircea_popescu mike_c not imo.
11:59 mircea_popescu ;;calc 21315 *.99
11:59 gribble 21101.85
11:59 mircea_popescu ;;calc 21315 1.01
11:59 gribble Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
11:59 mircea_popescu ;;calc 21315*1.01
11:59 gribble 21528.15
11:59 mircea_popescu jurov : under 21101 and over 21528
11:59 jurov lol we have to agree if it's /1.01 or *0.99
11:59 jurov it's not the same :)
11:59 mircea_popescu lol. ok
11:59 mircea_popescu ;;calc 21315 / 1.01
11:59 gribble 21103.960396
12:00 mircea_popescu jurov : under 21103 and over 21528
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.52398268 BTC to 8`031 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0285 = 0.1425 BTC [-]
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0285 = 0.1425 BTC [-]
12:02 mircea_popescu let me make an illustrative working model by what i mean by the size breeds security thing.
12:02 jurov so i can now undercut the 21726 ask? but dunno if that recovers selling fee
12:03 mircea_popescu jurov you can, yes. fee is what, .2%
12:03 jurov ;;calc 21726/21528
12:03 gribble 1.00919732441
12:03 jurov mhm
12:04 mircea_popescu suppose vpif has 1 pc, with 10 btc. at t=0, the share goes for 100 satoshi.
12:04 mircea_popescu at t=1, the sole manager seems to be making a 15% gain
12:04 mircea_popescu now, on model A, the spot tracs this, and the share trades at 115
12:04 mircea_popescu on model B, the spot gets stuck at 101.5 while the capital of the fund swells to 50 btc, of which 10 allocated to pc1.
12:05 mircea_popescu at t=2, the sole manager that seemed to have been making a 15% gain runs off with the whole shebang.
12:05 mircea_popescu for model A, this is a 115 satoshi/share loss.
12:05 mircea_popescu for model B, this is a 20 satoshi per share loss.
12:06 mike_c yes. so this goes back to what i said about the fund will end up carrying a huge cash balance
12:06 mike_c in your example, 80%
12:06 mircea_popescu except this example is 1 pc and mpif has 5, and this example has a shock 15% month, which mpif prolly won't ever have.
12:07 mircea_popescu so yes, it will carry cash. not that much, but in fact just about what's usually considered prudent in fiat.
12:07 mircea_popescu at any rate, nobody went broke holding btc.
12:07 ThickAsThieves yet!
12:07 mircea_popescu apple for that matter carries billions in cash, so does berkshire, so do all powerful corps.
12:07 mircea_popescu cash matters.
12:07 mike_c ok. obviously we will see how it plays out. but mpif will make 15% annually, which may end up meaning a 80% cash balance.
12:08 mircea_popescu mike_c no, because these are per month.
12:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02893333 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {2}
12:08 mircea_popescu if nav is 220 next month, the price goes up for the shares too
12:09 mike_c ok ok. but this then all relies on you having a very good idea what your nav is at a given time.
12:09 mircea_popescu mpif may definitely end up with a large cash balance, but this would be a negative commentary on the btc financial space, rather than on mpif itself.
12:09 mircea_popescu mike_c well that's the one good argument for increasing the berth there, actually. 1.5% may be too narrow,
12:10 mircea_popescu and it may jump further up, according to what experience will indicate
12:10 mircea_popescu the current value is a best guess value.
12:10 ThickAsThieves sounds like the mpif general mgr needs to be an active one
12:10 mircea_popescu hey, i read these logs
12:11 mircea_popescu i have, for like... i dunno, a year or two ? BILLIONZ OF LINES!11
12:11 ThickAsThieves and will you hawk over hanbot's bet progress and such?
12:11 ThickAsThieves basically maintain a dynamic nav as best you can
12:11 mircea_popescu notrly.
12:11 ThickAsThieves hehe
12:12 mircea_popescu note tho that they're my shares, if i sell them under nav... well... tough tits for me.
12:12 bounce so that's why you talk so much. can skip any lines you wrote yourself come log reading time.
12:12 mircea_popescu bounce no because most of the time i don't remember what i said
12:13 mircea_popescu then im all like... o wow check out how fucking smart this dood is!
12:13 mircea_popescu and then... o wait. it's... me ? win.
12:13 bounce right in character too. my, there goes my snark.
12:13 mircea_popescu lol
12:13 thestringpuller !ticker moolah
12:13 assbot I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
12:13 thestringpuller !ticker moolah
12:13 assbot I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
12:14 thestringpuller !ticker moolah
12:14 assbot Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
12:14 mike_c one piece i was missing is that you will allow the share price to grow. this is different from many funds that keep their share price constant.
12:14 thestringpuller ;;kittylasers
12:14 gribble Error: "kittylasers" is not a valid command.
12:14 thestringpuller ;;laserkitty
12:14 gribble Error: "laserkitty" is not a valid command.
12:14 thestringpuller ;;laserkitteh
12:14 gribble Error: "laserkitteh" is not a valid command.
12:14 thestringpuller :(
12:15 Naphex eevening
12:15 ThickAsThieves ;;laserkitten
12:15 gribble Error: "laserkitten" is not a valid command.
12:15 ThickAsThieves ;;laserkittens
12:15 gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
12:16 moiety i thought moolah was closing
12:17 jurov we can resume waiting for S.MNKY.. oh it got rebranded to S.LIMBS nao
12:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00013465 = 1.3465 BTC [+] {7}
12:18 mircea_popescu jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.0
12:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00015292 = 15.292 BTC [+] {31}
12:20 fluffypony who's sir Hassan and who's EricCEO?
12:21 mircea_popescu my guess would be goon lurkers here ?
12:21 * mircea_popescu waves
12:21 moiety I RAPORT THIS TO INTREPOLL. << lol
12:21 mircea_popescu lol any extraditions yet ?
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013923 = 0.6962 BTC [-] {3}
12:22 bounce INTARPOLL ON TO US? OHO NOES
12:23 bounce wonder if that's actually more than one person. before you know it they hit "hero member" and nobody notices anything wrong.
12:24 Duffer1 needs Bitcoin Foundation Member avatar
12:24 moiety intrepoll can extradite me if they like
12:25 pankkake if only we could change avatars… :(
12:25 Duffer1 i know :(
12:27 moiety owait it doesnt work like how i was thinking
12:27 moiety why did btctalk stop the avatars btw?
12:27 fluffypony moiety: someone exploited a bug in it
12:27 bounce colour me shocked
12:27 fluffypony and instead of spending a small portion of the few thousand BTC donated to fix it
12:27 fluffypony and re-enable avatars
12:28 fluffypony or, you know, use non-shitty forum software
12:28 fluffypony they decided to just switch off functionality
12:28 mircea_popescu lol
12:28 moiety will the mythical new software ever happen?
12:28 kakobrekla cant be mythical if it happens
12:28 fluffypony moiety: yes. they are reinventing the wheel from scratch for tens of thousands of Dollars, and it is expected to be released by 2025
12:28 moiety been mythical so far
12:29 bounce you never know. next you know they breed a horse that sings
12:29 ThickAsThieves well considering they had people like garr and john k holding the coins...
12:29 moiety i see john re-appeared
12:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00096501 = 15.3437 BTC [-]
12:29 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.msg6494445#msg6494445
12:29 ozbot Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory = IPO people
12:29 pankkake :D
12:30 fluffypony where's jurov, he'll enjoy that
12:30 moiety i know someone else that used smf for an altcoin forum, lasted like 2 months before they migrated to other software
12:31 fluffypony ;;later tell jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.msg6494445#msg6494445
12:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:31 pankkake I stumbled upon http://bitvestor.info/
12:39 Duffer1 ;;seen vexual
12:39 gribble vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <Vexual> ty
12:39 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-first-trading-day-of-fmpif/
12:39 ozbot The first trading day of F.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
12:43 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/#comment-99465
12:43 ozbot Let’s do Mark Cuban pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:43 mircea_popescu your site, %blogtitle%
12:43 thestringpuller ;;later tell BingoBoingo choose a baseball game and we'll go send me a later tell and we'll figure it out
12:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:44 mircea_popescu pankkake like another forum ?
12:44 mircea_popescu !up phish
12:44 assbot Voicing phish for 30 minutes.
12:45 mircea_popescu "Hello mrWDunne please advised real offer is mine hassan wants to only delouse you."
12:45 mircea_popescu aaahahahaha
12:45 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
12:45 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 458.24, Best ask: 460.75, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 458.03, 24 hour volume: 8861.20016406, 24 hour low: 444.59, 24 hour high: 461.0, 24 hour vwap: 453.600423354
12:45 pankkake well a forum of scams. like that horrific forum about high yield ponzies
12:45 mircea_popescu with this large amount of good quality lulz we should see an uptick in price
12:46 asciilifeform wants to only delouse you... high yield ponzies... << can't help but imagine a prisoner trying to subsist on his own lice.
12:46 asciilifeform then feels robbed, when someone delouses him
12:46 mircea_popescu ew
12:47 mircea_popescu i suppose one could imagine this far away island where the greatest delicacy is pubic hair lice
12:50 fluffypony I wonder if you could reverse attack those spam comment systems
12:50 fluffypony by having a malicious blogtitle
12:51 asciilifeform there is a great multitude of people who make a hobby of pwning spammers, crapware artists, etc.
12:51 asciilifeform it's about as much fun as catching and eating fleas.
12:51 mircea_popescu im sure you can.
12:51 fluffypony have you seen this?
12:51 fluffypony http://an7isec.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/pown-noobs-acunetix-0day.html
12:51 ozbot An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day
12:52 mircea_popescu in other news, http://thetruthwins.com/archives/scientists-discover-proof-that-humanity-is-getting-dumber-smaller-and-weaker
12:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
12:55 pankkake fluffypony: https://www.projecthoneypot.org/
12:55 fluffypony tks pankkake, last played around with running a honeypot ages ago
13:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6026 @ 0.00002533 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {7}
13:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4103 @ 0.00002533 = 0.1039 BTC [-] {3}
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4005 @ 0.00002532 = 0.1014 BTC [-] {8}
13:12 benkay https://anarchopapist.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/exit-and-escape-velocity/
13:12 benkay "Though Bitcoin’s value is predominantly speculative at this point, a future in which Bitcoin obtains a high and stable value would allow the creation of new financial contracts and mechanisms; these new arrangements would leave regulations and regulated industries in the dust, left to fight over the tawdry remains of those yet unable to migrate to the internet of money or those unwilling (but soon dead)."
13:13 mircea_popescu what, are we still in 2011 ?
13:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00096862 = 11.4297 BTC [+]
13:14 benkay "the future is here, it's just unevenly distributed."
13:14 benkay i'm just highlighting people getting it.
13:15 benkay uptake patterns are interesting etc
13:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 30650 @ 0.0000253 = 0.7754 BTC [-] {3}
13:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6346 @ 0.0000253 = 0.1606 BTC [-] {3}
13:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49969989 BTC [+]
13:19 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: yeah the flynn effect is reversing a little unfortunately. it's a race now, to advance technology to the point where we'll no longer need to advance it, before we can't do it anymore.
13:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.000966 = 20.0445 BTC [-] {2}
13:20 midnightmagic (unless it's going to stabilize soon)
13:20 mircea_popescu there's no "we"
13:21 mircea_popescu there is no shared anything among people of different intelligence.
13:22 midnightmagic lol @ weird article though, those aren't the reasons as I understood them.
13:29 midnightmagic hah! that people-quiz thing is pretty awesome.
13:30 midnightmagic We have a Canadian guy who goes down there and talks to Americans.. what's-his-face.. Rick Mercer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo
13:32 asciilifeform fuck flynn effect.
13:33 asciilifeform dumbest myth there is
13:33 mircea_popescu lol
13:33 * midnightmagic shrugs.
13:34 midnightmagic asciilifeform: You should update the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
13:34 asciilifeform i'm a sp4mmz0r, remember
13:35 midnightmagic You are?
13:35 asciilifeform midnightmagic: yeah i was officially proclaimed a spamsock on pediwikia
13:36 asciilifeform existing solely for the purpose of advancing mp's spammade
13:36 asciilifeform or sumthinglikethat
13:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 57 @ 0.00291347 = 0.1661 BTC [-] {12}
13:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096501 = 11.1941 BTC [-]
13:47 mircea_popescu !up multisignaturest
13:47 assbot Voicing multisignaturest for 30 minutes.
13:47 multisignaturest i have no idea what is going on
13:47 benkay nor do any of us
13:48 multisignaturest theres is a an assbot calling me out... something called a mircea+popescu saying !up
13:48 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/now-is-time-tomorrow-is-glory-ipo-people.307662/#msg6495740
13:48 ozbot Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory = IPO people | Bitcointa.lk
13:48 mircea_popescu can't tell if serious...
13:49 multisignaturest HAHHAHAHAHH
13:49 multisignaturest XD
13:49 multisignaturest AWESOME
13:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]
13:53 asciilifeform let's try...
13:53 asciilifeform !up mircеа_рoреscu
13:53 assbot Voicing mircеа_рoреscu for 30 minutes.
13:53 asciilifeform lol
13:53 asciilifeform pass!
13:53 multisignaturest !up mircеа_рoреscu
13:53 assbot Insufficient rights, multisignaturest, !up yourself on PM first.
13:53 multisignaturest !multisignaturestartup
13:53 mircea_popescu wait wut
13:54 asciilifeform magic.
13:54 benkay ;;gettrust multisignaturetest
13:54 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user multisignaturetest: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=multisignaturetest | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=multisignaturetest | Rated since: never
13:54 benkay ;;gettrust multisignaturestartup
13:54 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user multisignaturestartup: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=multisignaturestartup | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=multisignaturestartup | Rated since: never
13:56 asciilifeform !up mircea_popescu
13:56 assbot Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.
13:56 asciilifeform lol!!!!
13:57 asciilifeform exercise for alert reader.
13:57 Apocalyptic the question is, can you down someone upped by assbot's L1 trust
13:58 asciilifeform !up mircea_popescu
13:58 assbot Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.
13:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10894 @ 0.00096501 = 10.5128 BTC [-]
13:58 asciilifeform damn, so that works without evil magic.
13:58 asciilifeform nm
13:58 mike_c Apocalyptic: no. kako has this thing working pretty well now.
13:59 asciilifeform freenode is perfectly happy to eat homographs, though.
13:59 asciilifeform which surprised me.
14:00 benkay !up asciilifeform
14:00 assbot Voicing asciilifeform without time-limit.
14:00 benkay !down asciilifeform
14:00 assbot benkay, you can't do that to asciilifeform.
14:00 asciilifeform i think this used to work...?
14:01 mike_c it used to work if you upped yourself
14:01 asciilifeform aha
14:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03048571 = 0.2134 BTC [+] {2}
14:01 benkay http://i.imgur.com/ahtGcvQ.gif
14:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2001 @ 0.00015009 = 0.3003 BTC [-] {2}
14:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 500 @ 0.00089999 = 0.45 BTC [-]
14:02 mike_c !t h rent
14:02 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00532500 / 0.00583695 / 0.00739958 (639 shares, 3.72980913 BTC), 7D: 0.00532500 / 0.00698735 / 0.00750000 (2411 shares, 16.84651159 BTC), 30D: 0.00532500 / 0.00734936 / 0.00750000 (8205 shares, 60.30151159 BTC)
14:02 mike_c looky there benkay
14:02 mike_c back to 2po price
14:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 650 @ 0.0009 = 0.585 BTC [+] {2}
14:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03625 = 0.3625 BTC [-] {2}
14:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00096501 = 3.2328 BTC [-]
14:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.037 = 0.111 BTC [+]
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 230 @ 0.0009 = 0.207 BTC [+]
14:06 benkay mike_c i'm trying to ship some goddamn software over here mkay?
14:06 benkay quit distracting me with these scams.
14:06 mike_c just ship and fix it later
14:07 benkay sadly that is the pm's attitude on this project
14:07 benkay "how about we don't do things the right way, saving ourselves maybe 800-1200 dollars that we'll need to spend correcting this bad decision in two weeks"
14:07 benkay guy is classic penny wise and pound foolish
14:08 mike_c good pm's are not common.
14:08 benkay i was going to ask why some people are willing to spend more money to fix the bug their shitty prioritization imposes than doing it right in the first place and then i realized 'o yeah most people are stoopid monkeys'
14:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25199 @ 0.00096781 = 24.3878 BTC [+] {2}
14:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1515 @ 0.00015013 = 0.2274 BTC [+]
14:19 bounce not everybody understands the implications of their priorisation decisions, or perhaps chooses to ignore them, or even thinks the overall {business,politics(!)} picture looks better
14:20 bounce a valid question is why the guy made exactly these decisions and perhaps how whoever made him project manager came to that decision
14:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401 @ 0.00096987 = 0.3889 BTC [+]
14:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07354182 = 0.2206 BTC [-] {2}
14:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3949 @ 0.00096883 = 3.8259 BTC [-] {2}
14:29 benkay bounce: he's one of those guys who seems to always prefer the quick hack over spending some time thinking about the problem.
14:30 mod6 ye ole bug in the tcp stack 'eh
14:30 * mod6 rebuilds world
14:32 mod6 says that you could just: scrub in all fragment reassemble, but seems better to just patch and be done.
14:32 fluffypony if you have scrub in all in pf you're already a-ok
14:33 mod6 yeah.
14:35 mod6 i always have that in my pf ruleset, but i need to rebuild anyway :)
14:37 mod6 does anyone else remember having to port PF in manually from obsd?
14:38 mod6 lol, then finally after like 10 years, fbsd merged it in as a kernel option you can build.
14:41 mod6 did anyone here ever use ipfw and feel that pain? i mean, it worked, but it was tricky with that match-first ruleset as opposed to the filtering and match-last system of PF.
14:41 mod6 plus then you get the added bonus of like altq+priq.
14:41 mod6 <3 PF
14:41 mircea_popescu i kndalike ipfw
14:42 mod6 i always thought it was a pain to get it just right. once it worked, it worked good, i mean it did it's job. but i found it more painful for some reason than PF.
14:42 mod6 maybe its because i learned on ipfw tho.
14:43 mod6 and the first is always the hardest
14:43 mod6 :}
14:43 mircea_popescu hehe
14:44 fluffypony mod6: yeah, I remember pf being all the rage, and switching a couple of boxes from fbsd to obsd because I wanted to use pf
14:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49969989 BTC [+]
14:52 mircea_popescu in other news,
14:52 mircea_popescu http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p01/image/10.jpg
14:52 benkay what a face
14:53 mircea_popescu http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p02/image/04.jpg
14:53 mircea_popescu there, moar of her mug
14:55 mircea_popescu http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p05/image/05.jpg
14:55 mircea_popescu http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p05/image/12.jpg
14:56 mircea_popescu should suffice.
14:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055002 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2}
14:58 mike_c ;;calc 0.2 / 0.0075
14:58 gribble 26.6666666667
14:59 mike_c 3po investors down 26%. go havelol!
15:00 mod6 benkay: yeah but just look at her ass!
15:01 mod6 nice rack too @_@
15:08 mircea_popescu "On February 22, 2010, the company approached the city of Phoenix, Arizona with an offer of $10 million to rename the Sky Harbor Airport to Ashley Madison International Airport for a five-year period. Even though the city was in financial trouble, it rejected the offer."
15:08 mircea_popescu tsk tsk. uppity.
15:10 jurov fluffypony i actually had to look to lulzbourse, if PISS is there.. but sadly, it's shopped
15:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03450066 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}
15:10 fluffypony mad shopping skillz
15:10 mircea_popescu aww
15:12 fluffypony "proslimbs_ink i am not irish. keep working maybe you find a potato. "
15:12 fluffypony lol
15:17 jurov http://cryptocoinstockexchange.com/ ... cuz bitcoinbourse is too short
15:17 ozbot Crypto Coin Stock Exchange - The Wall Street of Crypto Coins
15:19 fluffypony this guy is a machine
15:19 fluffypony he pumps out shitty sites with IPO PDFs more often than I drink wine
15:19 fluffypony and I drink a lot of wine
15:19 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=592132.0
15:19 ozbot New Shares listing on Bitcoin Bourse "TCT" Truth Shares
15:20 moiety lol fluffypony i could do with some wine today
15:20 mircea_popescu is it the same dude ?
15:21 jurov yes, markus
15:21 mircea_popescu the brick head of the wall street of cryptostuff
15:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0345002 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {2}
15:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0058 = 0.145 BTC [+] {3}
15:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03649999 = 0.146 BTC [+] {2}
15:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.031 = 0.155 BTC [+]
15:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.0045 = 0.261 BTC [-] {3}
15:35 mircea_popescu !up Rulother
15:35 assbot Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
15:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 161 @ 0.00442232 = 0.712 BTC [-] {2}
15:35 Rulother Thank you
15:36 mircea_popescu my pleasure.
15:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00440026 = 0.1012 BTC [-] {2}
15:39 fluffypony so
15:39 fluffypony Have you heard about the Oscar Pistorius drinking game?
15:39 fluffypony every time someone goes to the loo you take 4 shots
15:39 Naphex i never understood drinking games
15:40 Naphex just drink
15:40 Naphex you thirsty, drink
15:40 mircea_popescu ;;ident kakobrekla
15:40 gribble Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
15:40 Naphex not drunk enough, drink
15:40 mircea_popescu Naphex gotta get the girls drunk somehow.
15:41 mircea_popescu it occurs to me, the sad case of deprived.
15:41 Naphex hehe
15:41 mircea_popescu had the man just been patient, something like mpif would have been exactly right for him. but instead... had to get involved with cypher-whatever it was.
15:43 mircea_popescu ruined a reputation, lost a stash, either of these'd have been worth millions in the future.
15:43 Naphex whom?
15:43 mircea_popescu deprived.
15:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014648 = 0.293 BTC [-]
15:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014638 = 0.1464 BTC [-]
15:45 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/1hjnXfd.jpg
15:46 fluffypony lol
15:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014648 = 0.1465 BTC [+]
15:49 bounce eh. so. uhm. advert banner: "a highly addictive FREE adult game" under some not-especially-well-done renders of nekkid chixx with pointy ears in leia-bra, sporting wings, or atop a unicorn. what'd they do, raid cghub and sell it as pr0n?
15:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03400002 = 0.238 BTC [-] {2}
15:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0058 = 0.145 BTC [+]
15:53 mircea_popescu what's cghub
15:54 bounce oh, looks closed down. wondered why things'd gone br0ked. anyhow, place for sharing 3d computer graphics models.
15:55 mircea_popescu but like... 10 years ago no ?
15:55 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, it's fair to say he deprived himself from a successful future
15:55 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic i guess so. sucks.
15:55 cgcardona_ good morning #bitcoin-assets o/
15:55 mircea_popescu heya aussie.
15:57 fluffypony cgcardona_:)
15:57 fluffypony how goes it?
15:57 cgcardona_ good. just ordered some (admittedly low end) gear for my recording studio project
15:57 cgcardona_ https://gist.github.com/cgcardona/52fb48cb857fe8aec577 in case anyone is interested
15:57 ozbot New gear for my Kauai music studio
15:57 cgcardona_ i just moved back to kauai from SF and sold all of my gear before I left the city
15:58 cgcardona_ so I'm starting over w/ some cheap gear just to get set up.
15:58 cgcardona_ how you doing? anything exciting happening?
16:07 jurov MPIF is selling
16:08 jurov !up Kushed
16:08 assbot Voicing Kushed for 30 minutes.
16:08 jurov !up Enky
16:08 assbot Voicing Enky for 30 minutes.
16:08 bounce what're you recording?
16:09 jurov ???
16:10 cgcardona_ my personal music. Here are some of my older songs https://soundcloud.com/cgcardona
16:10 cgcardona_ but I'm working on a bunch of new stuff so that's why i ordered the gear
16:11 cgcardona_ do you play/record bounce ?
16:11 * bounce recalls "doing internet radio" with a kick mike (nice and low response on the voices), homemade spit filter, a (PA) mixer panel, I forgot what for playing records, and, uh, a couple peecees for the recording and streaming. (winamp on w95 with encoder plugin to icy server on linux, then somethingorother for multicast)
16:12 bounce used to do some band mixing when nominally a student, even did a quick course on it. was kinda fun.
16:13 cgcardona_ wow your internet radio setup sounds epic
16:14 mircea_popescu !up supay
16:14 assbot Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
16:15 supay thanks for that
16:15 mircea_popescu so who're you ?
16:15 bounce the uplink was 64kbit ISDN back then. I think we split it out on a box on campus with 100Mbit, which was pretty good for ~2000. for (possibly fake, as in from the next room over the pabx) dialin we cut up an old "second ear" on a phone.
16:15 supay mircea_popescu: Someone who wants to make a lot of money.
16:16 mircea_popescu haha okay.
16:16 supay I was told that I could learn a lot from this channel.
16:16 supay So I thought I would watch, and learn.
16:16 supay Who are you mircea_popescu?
16:16 cgcardona_ haha.
16:16 bounce good question. :)
16:16 cgcardona_ def some wisdom around here for anyone who has ears to listen.
16:17 cgcardona_ ;;gettrust supay
16:17 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: never
16:17 mircea_popescu im just this guy that keeps naming things after himself in a vain but ultimately doomed hope of surviving thusly.
16:18 cgcardona_ you'll lose voice+ after 30 minutes (is that how long it is?) and if you aren't in the wot you can't speak in here supay
16:18 cgcardona_ just fyi ^
16:18 supay mircea_popescu: interesting.. looks like I can learn from this chan after all..
16:19 supay cgcardona_: and how would get on the wot?
16:19 bounce five hours old and a cloak. quick work. where're you from? your name's not jenkins by any chance?
16:19 supay no it is not
16:19 cgcardona_ supay: here is the highlevel trilema post (sorry MP hope you don't mind me swooping on the link post) http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
16:20 supay thank you cgcardona_
16:20 cgcardona_ that's a good place to start w/ the high level wotupwidit
16:20 cgcardona_ supay: no prob. :) glad to help. I can pass the newb crown to you
16:20 cgcardona_ :-D
16:20 kakobrekla isnt dat link in the wiki :p
16:20 supay :)
16:21 kakobrekla http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
16:21 kakobrekla it is.
16:21 ozbot wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
16:21 mircea_popescu cgcardona_ links are made for sharing, like womenz.
16:21 cgcardona_ ha
16:21 supay nice blog mircea_popescu
16:22 mircea_popescu $depth f.mpif
16:22 mpexbot mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: ['50000 @ 0.0002151', '5000 @ 0.0002151', '500 @ 0.0002151', '5000 @ 0.000215', '1400 @ 0.00021333']
16:22 mpexbot mircea_popescu: Asks: ['99600 @ 0.00021725', '990000 @ 0.00021726', '1000 @ 0.00024', '100000 @ 0.00029', '10000 @ 0.0004']
16:22 kakobrekla anyway i still think you should hit the wiki first on your quest, supay .
16:22 mircea_popescu ha!
16:23 cgcardona_ yea good advice. kakobrekla is a sage indeed.
16:23 supay alright kakobrekla. will do.
16:23 bounce (here's a herring)
16:23 mike_c mircea_popescu: did you change the price for the new shares to 21726?
16:25 mircea_popescu mike_c yeah. see logz.
16:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0728 = 0.1456 BTC [+]
16:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07250035 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}
16:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07220302 = 0.2888 BTC [-] {4}
16:29 benkay !up ryepdx
16:29 assbot Voicing ryepdx for 30 minutes.
16:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07131323 = 2.0681 BTC [-] {7}
16:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0009712 = 4.079 BTC [+]
16:35 Naphex /last mpif
16:35 thestringpuller !last m f.mpif
16:35 assbot Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]
16:38 benkay kakobrekla: assbot doesn't seem to like users not authed with the same WoT handle as their IRC nick.
16:38 kakobrekla affirmative.
16:38 benkay is there a workaround?
16:39 benkay kinda unnecessary coupling of freenode and wot
16:39 kakobrekla presently there is no workaround
16:39 benkay !up ryepdx
16:39 assbot Voice for ryepdx extended to 30 minutes.
16:39 benkay ;;ident ryepdx
16:39 gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'ryepdx', with hostmask 'ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is identified as user 'rye', with GPG key id 680F5108B06DBB77, key fingerprint C901BFF645AF5CD06F58D724680F5108B06DBB77, and bitcoin address None
16:40 kakobrekla except that you /nick back and forward for the voice operation
16:40 benkay so nick to the wot nick and then nick back to your normal nick?
16:40 foobutts ;;lasers
16:40 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
16:41 kakobrekla yea
16:41 thestringpuller how do you do kitten laters?
16:41 thestringpuller ;;kitten lasers
16:41 gribble Error: "kitten" is not a valid command.
16:41 thestringpuller ><
16:41 benkay ryepdx: didja get kakobrekla's instructions?
16:44 benkay nanotube: is there a way to trigger an authentication request from outside irc?
16:45 mircea_popescu nah
16:45 supay so if i just register on bitcoin-otc with a gpg key, I can continue chatting here?
16:46 mike_c !up supay
16:46 assbot Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
16:46 cgcardona_ til the ;;lasers command
16:46 supay thanks mike_c..
16:46 cgcardona_ supay: once you register someone will need to rate you. then you can chat here
16:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03352746 = 0.1006 BTC [-]
16:46 supay oh, damn.
16:47 supay I don't have any btc to trade to get a rating.
16:47 kakobrekla yes cock sucking time.
16:47 cgcardona_ lawl
16:47 kakobrekla ops that came out loud
16:47 mike_c not the only (or even the best) way to get rated
16:47 supay lol
16:47 cgcardona_ supay: someone will usually rate a new person a 1 just for the purpose of v+ in here
16:47 supay Oh, okay. Thats nice.
16:47 cgcardona_ then what you do w/ that ability to chat is up to you. at which point your wot score could plummet if you're a DB
16:48 kakobrekla mostly depends on first n lines you type into this box
16:48 supay cgcardona_: DB?
16:48 supay kakobrekla: i understand..
16:48 cgcardona_ supay: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=db
16:48 kakobrekla lemme guess, database
16:49 mike_c ;;ud db
16:49 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=db | Diarrhea Bubble. There are 5 different classes of pure, 100% Db's. CLASS ONE- The regular Diarrhea Bubble that someone gets occasionally by eating ...
16:49 ozbot Urban Dictionary: db
16:49 bounce mssql? mysql? db2?
16:49 cgcardona_ ya know. If you abuse your v+ people will rate you -. That kinda thing.
16:49 cgcardona_ that's wot the wots all about
16:49 cgcardona_ at least partly wot it's about.
16:49 cgcardona_ bounce: mongoDB obviouslyt
16:49 supay lol
16:49 cgcardona_ *obviously
16:49 asciilifeform supay: i've never traded btc and people did rate me on some occasions.
16:49 bounce nosql == nodb
16:49 asciilifeform supay: do something useful for somebody.
16:49 supay thats nice..
16:50 supay yeah, okay.
16:50 cgcardona_ ;;gettrust supay
16:50 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: never
16:51 benkay (DoucheBag for those not embedded in the prison)
16:51 fluffypony bounce: you know Coinbase uses mongodb, right?
16:51 cgcardona_ gives you confidence doesn't it
16:52 fluffypony so much
16:52 nanotube benkay: nope, irc only.
16:52 fluffypony eventual consistency is great
16:52 cgcardona_ acid huh?
16:52 fluffypony in their case eventual = within two weeks
16:52 fluffypony they should get together with BFL
16:52 kakobrekla hi nanotube
16:52 nanotube benkay: also, i see you're talking about irc nick and wot username differences - shouldn't be an issue, the output of 'ident' command includes wot username... so you have both pieces of info.
16:52 nanotube hi kakobrekla :)
16:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2901 @ 0.0009712 = 2.8175 BTC [+]
16:53 kakobrekla yes that is not the issue
16:53 cgcardona_ ;;ticker
16:53 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 458.34, Best ask: 459.34, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 458.34, 24 hour volume: 10658.50942672, 24 hour low: 444.79, 24 hour high: 465.88, 24 hour vwap: 456.952838177
16:53 kakobrekla the issue is that private !up would need to take in an argument.
16:53 kakobrekla that would make the design of the whole thing less nice.
16:53 nanotube kakobrekla: why? the private !up knows what nick it is coming from. should then just ask gribble 'ident <source nick>'
16:54 fluffypony http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/sandisk-4-tb-optimus-ssd-lightning,1-1925.html <- the end of the spinning platter cometh
16:54 ozbot SanDisk Announces 4TB SSDs, 8TB & 16TB SSDs to Follow
16:54 kakobrekla hmm i think i had a good reason regarding that lemme think
16:54 asciilifeform fluffypony: how many write cycles -per cell- now? 10?
16:54 nanotube kakobrekla: then look at gettrust for the wot username...
16:54 asciilifeform (the denser ssd gets, the more flimsy the actual storage cells are made)
16:55 asciilifeform this fact is papered over by 'write-leveling'
16:55 kakobrekla yes it would require 2 separate commands like you said
16:56 kakobrekla then it could work.
16:56 kakobrekla (on the assbot side)
16:56 fluffypony asciilifeform: afaik the nand flash in those drives is ~3k writes per cell
16:56 cgcardona_ fluffypony: wow 16 TB.
16:56 cgcardona_ crazy
16:56 kakobrekla but is it really a thing worth fixing ?
16:56 asciilifeform 3k! pitiful
16:57 fluffypony oh I got it wrong
16:57 fluffypony eMLC NAND is 30k, not 3k
16:57 fluffypony my bad
16:58 fluffypony cMLD is only 5k, but I can live with that
17:01 rithm isn't this sunlot dude coingenuity's old partner
17:01 nanotube kakobrekla: bonus: do one command. gettrust [ident nick]
17:01 rithm irc nick shaded
17:02 BingoBoingo http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/05/01/1656209/openbsd-55-released
17:02 ozbot OpenBSD 5.5 Released - Slashdot
17:02 rithm <nanotube> kakobrekla: why? the private !up knows what nick it is coming from. should then just ask gribble 'ident <source nick>'
17:02 rithm ^ i have a feeling i wouldn't have to change nicks then
17:02 rithm to voice myself
17:02 kakobrekla too bad feelings dont write code
17:03 rithm yukyukyuk
17:03 kakobrekla nanotube hm yes that neat trick might do it, ill try it
17:03 * rithm hands kakobrekla a cookie anyways
17:03 bounce http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/01/van-rompuy-says-europe-will-expand-without-public-backing
17:03 ozbot Van Rompuy: If The Public Doesn't Want EU Expansion, 'We Do It Anyway'
17:03 * kakobrekla hides cookie from mp
17:03 fluffypony lol
17:03 bounce how'd that work for mr [\\\]?
17:03 fluffypony chocolate chip cookie?
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00097119 = 4.6132 BTC [-]
17:07 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 5000 @ 0.00021725 = 1.0863 BTC [+]
17:08 jurov you know how they do it? they repeat a referendum until they get Yes
17:10 bounce everybody knows by now, but the europhile eurocrats don't care; the people, even the national governments, can no longer stop it
17:16 fluffypony bilateral gynandromorph (half male, half female) butterfly - http://i.imgur.com/TJAO9gJ.jpg
17:20 BigBitz fluffypony !
17:21 BigBitz Y U SO NASTY?
17:21 BigBitz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0
17:21 ozbot [HAVELOCK] (Seedcoin SF2) Global Coin FX - UK HQ Virtual Currency Exchange
17:21 fluffypony lol
17:21 fluffypony that wasn't nasty
17:21 BigBitz :)
17:22 BingoBoingo https://www.tunnelbear.com/
17:22 ozbot TunnelBear
17:22 BingoBoingo WTF
17:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 143 @ 0.0058 = 0.8294 BTC [+]
17:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00097138 = 11.5109 BTC [+] {2}
17:24 dub someone beat firefox with all kinds of ugly
17:25 fluffypony dub: is that a statement or a request?
17:25 thestringpuller i miss you dub
17:25 thestringpuller where have you been?
17:25 thestringpuller listening to the wub wub huh dub dub?
17:26 dub indochina
17:26 dub i been that nigger in a rice bowl waiting to pop a cap
17:28 BigBitz Hmm.
17:30 * rithm would see a nigger in a rice bowl for sure
17:34 csshih o.o
17:35 jurov >.>
17:36 kakobrekla <.<
17:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00096888 = 6.5399 BTC [-] {2}
17:36 fluffypony csshih:)
17:36 fluffypony my favourite lumen junkie
17:37 BingoBoingo http://deadspin.com/the-nba-wanted-to-kick-donald-sterling-out-of-the-leagu-1570505417
17:37 ozbot The NBA Wanted To Kick Donald Sterling Out Of The League In 1982
17:37 csshih is this the new cool kid hangout
17:37 BingoBoingo of course
17:37 fluffypony csshih: you know it
17:38 fluffypony wherever assbot exists is, by definition, cool
17:47 kakobreklaa thar.
17:47 kakobreklaa benkay fixed
17:47 kakobreklaa and whoever else was complaining
17:48 foobutts sweet
17:49 benkay ryepdx: you can now !up yourself
17:49 benkay thanks kakobrekla!
17:49 kakobrekla yw
17:49 benkay hue hue hue was v. tempted to thank mp instead
17:49 kakobrekla ...
17:50 asciilifeform www.tunnelbear.com << typical honeypot. usg has a sense of humour (bears; honey)
17:51 BingoBoingo Yeah
17:51 BingoBoingo I like that the honeypot is covered in Web 2.0MG hipster BBQ sauce
17:52 asciilifeform one is almost tempted to write a generator for these promos
17:52 asciilifeform complete with wsj, yahoo, macworld turds
17:52 BingoBoingo Maybe use Russian Winnie the Pooh
17:52 asciilifeform a la the faux cs conference paper gen
17:53 BingoBoingo Would be an interesting thing to have out there.
17:53 asciilifeform i always thought disney's looked... jaundiced.
17:54 BingoBoingo Yeah, probably got hepatitis from shooting up with Rabbit
17:55 asciilifeform betcha the nsa funding flag for tunnelbear is 'TUNNELRAT'
17:55 asciilifeform (bonus for vietnam reference)
17:56 BingoBoingo Or TUNNELSPIDER for the Saddam reference
17:57 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/drunk-nypd-officer-allegedly-shot-a-stranger-6-times-1570270148
17:57 ozbot Drunk NYPD Officer Allegedly Shot a Stranger 6 Times
17:57 Anduck !up supay
17:57 assbot Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
17:57 supay Could someone give me a +1 rep so I could chat here?
17:57 supay oh
17:57 Anduck supay: now u can talk for a while
17:57 supay amazing timing
17:57 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
17:57 supay I'm authed i guess..
17:58 supay I'm asking for rating on bitcoin-otc
17:58 supay so that I can continue talking here and learn a thing or two :)
17:59 BingoBoingo supay: What do you do?
17:59 supay Im a student.
17:59 asciilifeform student of what?
17:59 supay Computer Science
18:00 BingoBoingo !up TurboS_911
18:00 assbot Voicing TurboS_911 for 30 minutes.
18:00 BingoBoingo !up Checkup
18:00 assbot Voicing Checkup for 30 minutes.
18:00 bounce computer science no science
18:00 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: I'll start thinking about games
18:02 jurov supay can you do some programming?
18:02 supay jurov: Yes I can.
18:02 jurov what kind?
18:03 kakobrekla <h2>YES</h2>
18:03 bounce dat programming
18:03 supay lol
18:03 supay Java mainly.
18:03 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/ooh-can-we-play-donetsk-or-nevada-please-1570268654
18:03 ozbot Nevada Ranch Militias Turn Against Each Other Over Drone-Attack Theory
18:03 supay But I am very familiar with C and C++.
18:03 bounce just random ratings don't convey +v in here, by the by
18:04 supay they dont?
18:04 BingoBoingo supay: They need to some from the right people
18:04 supay oic
18:04 supay BingoBoingo: will you give me a +1?
18:05 BingoBoingo supay: Not atm. If you do something that impresses people and provides benefit I might, of course other people might as well.
18:05 jurov i can give some +1 for 5BTC or considerable coinbr volume >:D
18:06 BingoBoingo supay: If you hang around idea for things that can be done appear quite frequently
18:06 supay jurov: I'll give you 1doge. Interested?
18:06 bounce how does "the price is right" work anyway?
18:06 supay BingoBoingo: I get it. Good deal.
18:06 jurov i don't even have a doggone wallet
18:06 supay I do hope however that someone voices me every half-hour till I get some rating.
18:06 jurov just a repellant stick on the laptop
18:07 supay jurov: dogevault.com
18:07 benkay ;;rate supay 1 ffs
18:07 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user supay has been recorded.
18:07 kakobrekla yet jurov doge sticker on his lappy is 3 times the size of bitcoin sticker
18:07 jurov and do you have something important to say?
18:07 bounce pushover
18:07 supay gee thanks benkay!
18:08 benkay don't waste it.
18:08 kakobrekla yes repellent, you said that.
18:08 kakobrekla but does it work? imo it would attract newbs.
18:08 supay benkay: no sir, I shall not!
18:09 jurov i'll teach them the error of their ways
18:09 kakobrekla big tasks you took upon yourself
18:09 kakobrekla -s
18:09 supay jurov: I wonder why you were asking me if I could code?
18:10 moiety benkay you softy ;P
18:10 kakobrekla he is, isnt he.
18:11 benkay and now the channel is cleared of "plz someone +1 me!"
18:11 jurov supay just checking, maybe you're usable :)
18:11 benkay ;;gettrust assbot navhul-lacsup
18:11 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user navhul-lacsup: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=navhul-lacsup | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=navhul-lacsup | Rated since: never
18:11 benkay !up navhul-lacsup
18:11 assbot Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
18:11 benkay h'lo, sub.
18:12 bounce now everybody goes "pwease mistah benkay sir, can I haz ratings too?"
18:12 jurov supay but since you did not mention some own pet projects, i abandoned that inquiry
18:12 supay jurov: cool. do you code as well?
18:12 jurov afaik yes
18:13 supay jurov: pet projects?
18:13 supay bounce: lol
18:13 bounce robot chickens
18:13 supay love them
18:13 jurov when i was student, i maintained ziproxy.sourceforge.net
18:14 * bounce likes it better when police aren't armed. apropos earlier paste.
18:14 jurov i got some ridiculously positive responses for such lame http proxy server
18:14 supay ah
18:15 supay jurov: interesting project :)
18:15 bounce little things please little minds
18:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07999 = 0.16 BTC [+] {2}
18:17 bounce what was that cartoon again? "make stuff work" on a unix and you're incomprehensible, thus ignored. make stuff work on windows and you're a god to be worshipped.
18:17 supay lol
18:17 supay shouldn't it be the other way around?
18:17 supay I find unix more friendly than windows
18:19 fluffypony I hate windows, but honestly unix is a piece of shit from a usability perspective
18:19 fluffypony so few cli tools conform to norms, because why bother when you can just do it your way
18:19 supay fluffypony: it wasn't really created for gui-addicts..
18:20 fluffypony supay: I think you miss my point; I am far from a "gui-addict"
18:21 supay oh, okay.
18:21 supay It is difficult to use, most will agree with you on that.
18:21 jurov prolly supay is still young and eager to scour manpages for some simple function
18:21 supay nah, I just use google
18:22 benkay why read man pages when you can just curl2sudo some ruby brogrammer's work?
18:22 fluffypony lol
18:22 supay lol :)
18:24 fluffypony here
18:24 fluffypony supay
18:24 fluffypony http://xkcd.com/1168/
18:24 ozbot xkcd: tar
18:24 fluffypony after nearly 20 years of tar I still forget how to use it all the time
18:24 fluffypony and I'm not talking about -cjvf and -xvf
18:24 supay LMFAO
18:24 supay so true
18:24 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> hmm i think i had a good reason regarding that lemme think << pwned.
18:25 bounce what? tar tvf - is "a" valid tar command
18:25 mircea_popescu <jurov> you know how they do it? they repeat a referendum until they get Yes << and then wonder why bitcoin doesn;t care what they think.
18:26 mircea_popescu <bounce> everybody knows by now, but the europhile eurocrats don't care; the people, even the national governments, can no longer stop it << let's bet.
18:26 mircea_popescu <benkay> hue hue hue was v. tempted to thank mp instead << DDDDOOOO ITTTT
18:26 bounce how'd /you/ go about and "stop it"?
18:27 mircea_popescu !up DoctorBTC
18:27 assbot Voicing DoctorBTC without time-limit.
18:28 mircea_popescu supay just read the logs, same thing.
18:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15196 @ 0.00097197 = 14.7701 BTC [+] {2}
18:29 mircea_popescu ;;rate supay -1 let's not get carried away
18:29 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user supay has been recorded.
18:29 BigBitz lol
18:29 benkay that'd be the first counterrating.
18:29 benkay ;;gettrust supay
18:29 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask supay!~supay@unaffiliated/supay. Trust relationship from user benkay to user supay: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: Thu May 1 18:06:55 2014
18:29 benkay ;;gettrust assbot supay
18:29 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask supay!~supay@unaffiliated/supay. Trust relationship from user assbot to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: Thu May 1 18:06:55 2014
18:30 mircea_popescu we get to test it at least.
18:30 benkay hey supay, !up yourself on pm with assbot
18:30 pankkake I think I remember ziproxy
18:31 benkay all appears in order.
18:32 benkay this asseteer in-production testing session is complete and.
18:33 benkay ;;unrate supay
18:33 gribble Successfully removed your rating for supay.
18:33 mircea_popescu ;;unrate supay
18:33 gribble Successfully removed your rating for supay.
18:33 benkay !up supay
18:33 assbot Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
18:33 benkay many thanks to our hapless subject
18:33 supay that was rude
18:33 benkay you clearly don't understand the local manners.
18:33 supay lol
18:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00096624 = 16.3295 BTC [-] {2}
18:34 kakobrekla mircea_popescu no no the reason is good.
18:34 benkay eveternoon, moiety
18:36 fluffypony and noa
18:36 fluffypony I sleep.
18:36 mircea_popescu !up tradingloser
18:36 assbot Voicing tradingloser for 30 minutes.
18:37 tradingloser tesitng one 2 three
18:37 tradingloser biuxww'
18:37 tradingloser noice
18:37 benkay loud n clear
18:37 tradingloser anyone losing money on cryptostock and havelock. it's killing me
18:37 BingoBoingo http://hasthewhaleexplodedyet.com/
18:37 ozbot Has the whale exploded yet? - Untitled
18:38 mircea_popescu tradingloser you gotta read the logs.
18:38 fluffypony tradingloser: I don't use either
18:38 mike_c tradingloser: if it makes you feel better, everyone who trades on those exchanges loses money.
18:38 * mircea_popescu just checked stats, was blown away by last...4 days user count being ~above month avg~
18:39 tradingloser okay.. so i guess im in a double whammy.. i suck at trading + on a site where people always lose money..
18:39 moiety hey benkay, sorry laptop freaked out on me, how are you?
18:39 mircea_popescu tradingloser they're called play exchanges for a reason.
18:40 tradingloser yeah. im jsut here for trying to get some sympathy.
18:40 tradingloser you're right though.
18:40 BingoBoingo supay: You know what pretty much everyone here wants?
18:40 fluffypony tradingloser: I love you
18:40 fluffypony ^^sympathy
18:40 supay BingoBoingo: what?
18:40 tradingloser that's the most love I gotten since high school.
18:41 csshih =]
18:41 fluffypony ok seriously going to bed now, k thx bye
18:41 mircea_popescu http://jimromenesko.com/2014/05/01/reporter-is-caught-writing-blah-blah-blah-blah-in-notebook-while-candidate-rambles-on/
18:41 ozbot » Reporter is caught writing ‘blah blah blah blah’ in notebook while Senate candidate rambles
18:41 csshih nite
18:41 mircea_popescu check out the schoolchildren
18:41 tradingloser buy pony
18:41 moiety love == sympathy nao?
18:41 tradingloser bye*
18:41 tradingloser moiety, im no lawyer so I guess so.
18:41 BingoBoingo supay: Well, more implementations of the Bitcoin protocol would be nice. Clean minimalist full node implementations like Conformal did with btcd.
18:42 supay BingoBoingo: I see.. interesting.
18:42 benkay moiety: hacking on the porch with the boys
18:42 benkay it's a glorious day
18:42 benkay we set a pile of paper on fire earlier
18:43 BingoBoingo supay: C, LISP, Python.... Language doesn't much matter beyond the thing being suprememly readable and not garbage like bitcoind.
18:43 supay with a lit match or a magnifying glass benkay ?
18:43 supay BingoBoingo: Okay..
18:43 tradingloser Well hoping for a new start. I took what looks like the remains of neobee and cryptoshitstocks over to bitcoinbourse. hoping for the best.
18:43 * jurov gaps
18:43 jurov asps
18:43 jurov gasps
18:43 moiety benkay: did that paper deserve to die?
18:43 benkay hey guys
18:44 benkay compounding
18:44 benkay but in the wrong direction, tradingloser
18:44 benkay moiety: who knows. just got a shredder, shredded a pile, torched it.
18:44 jurov http://explo.yt/post/2014/04/10/BitcoinBeware <<tradingloser
18:44 ozbot BitcoinBeware - serialized delusions
18:44 BingoBoingo supay: If you don't want to wait for other ideas, looking at this thing could be instructive.
18:45 supay BingoBoingo: I agree. Thanks, am looking into it atm.
18:45 moiety benkay: sounds way better than my day
18:45 benkay moiety: which was?
18:45 BingoBoingo supay: Just prolly avoid doing the thing in C++, PHP, or Java if you do try it.
18:45 tradingloser oh geez..
18:46 moiety benkay: just don't feel like a got anything done today and i hate days like that
18:46 supay Yes of course.. Python should be a better..
18:46 moiety i*
18:46 mircea_popescu <tradingloser> Well hoping for a new start. I took what looks like the remains of neobee and cryptoshitstocks over to bitcoinbourse. hoping for the best. <<< ahahah
18:46 mircea_popescu truely infinite hitpoints
18:47 BingoBoingo supay: I know you mentioned Java is the main thing you've worked with. What other languages have you played with?
18:47 tradingloser hopefully the multisig co and casino stock treats me bettter.
18:48 supay BingoBoingo: I have maximum experience with Java. But my C and Python are pretty good too. Apart from that, I used to develop web apps. I'm great at the LAMP framework.
18:48 kakobrekla tradingloser you should be thinking about breaking the cycle of bad decisions
18:48 bounce how's your relational algebra?
18:49 BingoBoingo supay: What kinds of things have you programmed in the past?
18:49 benkay <supay> ... the LAMP framework. << o.O
18:49 supay Desktop applications, mobile applications, websites. I have also done some penetration testing.
18:49 tradingloser kakobrekla.. thats is the worst skill I have.
18:49 benkay tradingloser: why aren't you happy to hold your coins yet?
18:50 kakobrekla tradingloser stop then
18:50 tradingloser greed + pissed off at neobeefuckheads..
18:50 tradingloser yeah..
18:50 BingoBoingo tradingloser: Have you considered if you can't just hold coins, betting them at BitBet?
18:50 kakobrekla put your coins in cold storage and lurk here for half a year
18:50 kakobrekla things will look better afterwards.
18:52 mircea_popescu ^
18:52 tradingloser Honestly, I lost like 88% so I just put it in some escrow verification company that just earns revenue ripping people
18:52 BingoBoingo ...
18:53 pankkake if anyone still cares: neobeeQ delisting the 5th
18:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0739125 = 0.2957 BTC [-] {3}
18:53 mircea_popescu did the neobeeQ compliance officer ask for it ?
18:53 BingoBoingo If you lose 88% at anything... How do you continue trying the same approaches that lost you the 88% without at least stopping to take a break?
18:54 pankkake lel. havelock says they have no response whatsoever so that's the reason
18:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07060001 = 0.1412 BTC [-]
18:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03379403 = 0.2704 BTC [+]
18:54 mircea_popescu so allegedly an alleged "compliance officer" that doesn't exist made a request (that doesn't exist) to suspend the trading of a supposed company with real assets that don't exist
18:54 mircea_popescu and the exchange with the panama registration that doesn't exist complied
18:55 tradingloser because i did that boring warren buffet thing where you know consistent revenue will come and you buy and hold for a long time. hopefully, multisignature is the future.
18:55 mircea_popescu then re-opened trading, arbitrarily, on a new symbol, with new authority
18:55 BingoBoingo tradingloser: That isn't the Buffet thing at all.
18:55 mircea_popescu adn now are delisting the new symbol because... the inexistent officers of the inexistent company... failed to protest ?
18:55 mircea_popescu did i get the story right here ?
18:55 mircea_popescu ok this dude is too fucktarded
18:55 mircea_popescu !down tradingloser
18:55 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seems right
18:56 pankkake I'm afraid so, I forgot about the first suspension
18:58 punkman next message from Danny will read like this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/536830
18:58 mircea_popescu i just had to pour myself a triple drink because well... my brain knotted.
18:59 benkay wat indeed
18:59 mircea_popescu "After the events of the last couple of days, we are very disappointed. The kickstarter Montrex project was to help build the Montrex brand. Ultimately, backers destroyed the brand and the reputation of the brand and its team."
19:00 mircea_popescu dat team.
19:00 mircea_popescu team gumpy. "we are not fly by night. no. no. no we're not. no. yes we are."
19:01 mircea_popescu "Because of the damage incurred... Because of the fact that we are being called thieves and con-artists and frauds without having done anything wrong"
19:01 mircea_popescu i love punkman links.
19:02 BingoBoingo %book
19:02 atcbot 22k@223 8k@223 0k@220 | 2k@170 10k@155 53k@152
19:03 bounce wtf was up with the montrex drama? get your kickstarter 8x oversubscribed and sue the backers? what?
19:03 mircea_popescu bounce you don't understand. DEFAMATION.
19:04 bounce no, no I don't understand. but I don't think I want to understand either. esp. since I'm all out of drink.
19:04 mircea_popescu the famous derpfamation
19:05 BingoBoingo !up supay
19:05 assbot Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
19:05 kakobrekla he can up himself ya know
19:05 punkman "We are sorry for those who have been damaged by this project, but you individually have definitely been damaged far less than we have been damaged. " < did btctalk come up with this yet?
19:05 supay thank you BingoBoingo..
19:06 supay kakobrekla: no i cant.
19:06 bounce ;;gettrust assbot supay
19:06 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask supay!~supay@unaffiliated/supay. Trust relationship from user assbot to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: never
19:07 kakobrekla hm benkay unrated him?
19:07 supay e tok bak iz ratingz =(
19:07 bounce supay: you gotten around to mastering relational algebra, seeing how you claim "lamp stack" familiarity?
19:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00096567 = 9.8498 BTC [-]
19:08 supay bounce: I am familiar with relational algebra yes, because I am in the sophomore year at my university and am studying RDBMS.
19:09 bounce that's not a given, but good to know. which university?
19:09 supay Manipal University.
19:10 mircea_popescu punkman nop
19:10 mircea_popescu "Manipal University is a name to reckon with not just in India, but the world over. "
19:10 mircea_popescu o.O
19:10 BingoBoingo supay: are you familiar with OpenBSD?
19:10 bounce because ``Manipal, today, is a knowledge powerhouse and a brand name in higher education.''
19:11 bounce just so you know. don't forget to reckon with manipal.
19:11 supay BingoBoingo: Not very much tbh. I usually work on Debian, Ubuntu and Arch.
19:11 supay bounce: what do you mean?
19:12 mircea_popescu why so belicose lol
19:12 jurov supay if you "work" then you have something to show, no?
19:12 BingoBoingo supay: If you wrote a guide to building Bitcoind 0.7 with the modifications to work on the right blockchain, on OpenBSD 5.5 I'd give you a plus one.
19:13 mircea_popescu punkman https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/540696 << even better.
19:13 supay wouldnt that be too much work BingoBoingo? :O
19:13 supay jurov: you mean to ask me for samples of my work?
19:14 bounce "truly unique" mass-produced thingies. marketeering at work.
19:14 BingoBoingo supay: It's just building something that already exists. Less work than reimplementing the protocol.
19:14 supay ah
19:14 supay let me google that.
19:14 punkman mircea_popescu: don't see anything there
19:15 bounce clearly, you aren't a backer.
19:15 jurov supay, such as, github stuff?
19:15 BingoBoingo supay: Write a nice guide shoot it to me. I'll give you 0.01 BTC and a 1 rating on the WoT.
19:15 supay supay: nope.
19:16 supay BingoBoingo: sure! I'll give it a shot! :)
19:16 mircea_popescu it's like... secret updates ?
19:16 mircea_popescu wtf bs is that.
19:16 BingoBoingo supay: If the like the guide I post it to my blog crediting you as the author and link to your WoT profile.
19:16 supay That would be really nice.
19:16 supay I'll get started right away.
19:16 punkman their rebrand got $444,370 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/watchismo/xeriscope-the-orbiting-mechanical-automatic-watch
19:17 mircea_popescu https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/654887
19:17 ozbot Montrex Watch Project - A Truly Unique Timepiece ( watches ) by Montrex Watches » re-branding updat
19:17 mircea_popescu and one year later...
19:17 mircea_popescu rebranding the successful brand that was utterly destroyed and etc.
19:17 BingoBoingo supay: With OpenBSD remember to read the documentation before you install it. Also remember I want bitcoind 0.7, not the newer bullshit.
19:17 punkman "This is the kind of stuff with which I have to deal due to the cyberbullying attacks on me.  The girl, Allison, who was supposed to start working here, today, was a no-call, no-show. "
19:17 mircea_popescu usagi bit her.
19:17 supay BingoBoingo: yeah, got it! :)
19:18 punkman https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/550182
19:18 BingoBoingo Been a while since the Usagi name was invoked here.
19:18 ozbot Montrex Watch Project - A Truly Unique Timepiece ( watches ) by Montrex Watches » No new assistant.
19:18 BingoBoingo supay: Good deal.
19:18 supay BingoBoingo: yes, and thanks! :)
19:18 mircea_popescu punkman basically, this is the bitcoin mining "projects" 100%
19:19 bounce did they deliver anything in the meantime?
19:19 mircea_popescu sure.
19:19 mircea_popescu like you know, bfl.
19:19 bounce other than more drama
19:19 mircea_popescu Luke-Jr got a watch.
19:19 BingoBoingo lol
19:19 BingoBoingo Did he SSH into the watch?
19:20 mircea_popescu anyway, im making a post out of this.
19:21 punkman mircea_popescu: some more then https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/542841
19:21 punkman "But this time their cyberbullying campaign may have been a blessing in disguise. "
19:21 punkman seems undecided
19:21 mircea_popescu kik
19:23 bounce "never been arrested [...etc.]" -- so far gotten away with teh scammin, eh
19:23 punkman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy
19:23 ozbot Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:24 BingoBoingo http://deadspin.com/why-rich-lacrosse-parents-are-making-their-kids-repeat-1570381983
19:24 ozbot Why Rich Lacrosse Parents Are Making Their Kids Repeat A Grade
19:26 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: competitive game
19:26 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: More parents Derping their kids to incompetence.
19:27 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: their wealth hath made them weak
19:27 bitcoinpete https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/939-election-results/
19:28 bitcoinpete back to the polls cuz gotta have 52 votes lol
19:28 bitcoinpete bobby lee and some dude named brock pierce at the top of "round 1"
19:28 bitcoinpete industry seat...
19:28 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Of course it has, but I'm not sure calling it wealth is the right thing.
19:30 bounce two industry seats. needs moar "none of the above"
19:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0313999 = 0.2826 BTC [+]
19:31 bitcoinpete so brock pierce was in mighty ducks
19:32 bitcoinpete and now runs angellist
19:32 bitcoinpete is a "20x entrepreneur" lol
19:32 cazalla don't forget IGE
19:33 bounce in a way it's quite amazing people bet so heavily on "athletic scholarships"
19:33 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:33 bitcoinpete cazalla: ige means something different to someone who took immunology...
19:33 BingoBoingo I prefer TNF-A
19:34 bitcoinpete bounce: spend hundreds of thousands for… a half that back. like a forum investment
19:34 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: can't go wrong there
19:34 bounce maybe it has something to do with the well-known excreable state of middle management
19:35 BingoBoingo bounce: It really is. Then again there is a huge difference between a poor kid from East St Louis pinning their hopes to an athletic scholarship and rich parents from DC doing the same.
19:35 bitcoinpete http://globalnews.ca/news/1302902/bank-of-canada-not-worried-bitcoin-will-replace-cash/ <<just gold
19:35 ozbot Bank of Canada not worried Bitcoin will replace cash - National | Globalnews.ca
19:36 * bounce saw mention of a study or other that relatively way too many rich kids got scholarships. well, they can pay for the consultancies that know how to get 'em, can't they?
19:36 bounce such system
19:38 mircea_popescu ;;google always suspected were scams
19:38 gribble MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140484.0>; Ten Things To Do When You Suspect Fraud at Your ... - Clark Nuber: <https://www.clarknuber.com/news/ResLib/10%20things%20to%20do_fraud%20article.pdf>; How to Know You Are Being Scammed in a Relationship: 7 Steps: <http://www.wikihow.com/Know-You-Are-Being- (1 more message)
19:38 mircea_popescu dude. srsly ?!
19:39 BingoBoingo Nice
19:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03139991 = 0.3454 BTC [+] {2}
19:43 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: wired has been under embargo since bitgo: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/09/bitgo-multisig-a-stranger-his-friend-and-you/
19:43 mircea_popescu i guess im slow.
19:44 bitcoinpete only by 3 weeks :P
19:49 bounce so that's 2-of-3 and they have one, and you have two? or what?
19:50 bounce it's still browser-based, so it has all the problems mega has.
19:50 midnightmagic :-(
19:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 12000 @ 0.00002002 = 0.2402 BTC [-] {2}
19:51 bitcoinpete bounce: at best it's browser-based. at worst, as kanzure mentioned in the comments, they're full of shit
19:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
19:53 bounce assuming they're not, for the sake of argument, it's maybe not a bad design decision to have "the user" store something useless on its own, but useful in combination with the website OR in combination with the backup key the user stuck in his safe deposit box
19:54 kakobrekla https://twitter.com/BTCElevator
19:54 ozbot BTC Elevator (BTCElevator) on Twitter
19:54 kakobrekla lol i didnt know we had btc elevator
19:54 bounce as in, safer than a straight-up webwallet and more convenient than cold storage. as we've seen, there's a market for convenience, any convenience at all
19:55 bitcoinpete bounce: but that's the exact same as a normal back-up with bc/info or a desktop client
19:55 bitcoinpete bounce: there was a market for gox and bfl
19:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
19:56 bounce sure. so if you produce a marginally safer thing and manage to have the crowd flock there you've improved overal security, however marginally
19:56 kakobrekla unfortunately the thing is not too funny.
19:59 bounce and, hm, assuming the in-browser problems are manageable you get a more convenient thingy than either a webwallet or a desktop client; can keep the user-hot key in, say, a webmail account somewhere without exposing yourself through the webmail account directly (unless the password is also in there)
19:59 bitcoinpete bounce: creating a big phat target
20:00 bounce not that much with only one part of a multisig. you'd have to go spear-phishing afterwards.
20:00 bounce might as well mount a wallet.dat grabbing attack right away with some malvertising-planted rootkittery
20:02 bounce OTOH their continued allusions to their own greatness do start to grate quickly.
20:02 bitcoinpete bounce: lol you make a good point even if they're lame
20:03 bounce *shrug* it doesn't really do to bash'em on things they didn't actually do wrong.
20:03 bounce I don't particularly like the model, but if above assumptions hold it's not acutally an outright bad idea.
20:04 bounce that's a big if, though.
20:04 bounce s/acut/actu/
20:05 bitcoinpete it might end up being another cointerra/neobee told-ya-so, might not
20:06 bounce there's always somebody going to be right with the told-ya-so.
20:07 bitcoinpete well i'll let someone else be their guinea pig ;)
20:08 bounce bound to be plenty volunteers
20:08 bitcoinpete no doubt
20:08 bitcoinpete bbl
20:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48000005 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}
20:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.072 = 1.368 BTC [+]
20:26 bitcoinpete http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/01/florida-jail-explosion/8550957/
20:26 ozbot Fla. jail explosion kills 2, injures 184
20:26 bitcoinpete rainsplosion
20:27 bounce any reason why?
20:31 bitcoinpete too much rain --> magic --> natural gas leak --> kaboom!
20:32 BingoBoingo Flooding can extinguish pilot lights, gas builds up, prisoner lights a cigarette... Boom
20:33 bitcoinpete ^
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22661 @ 0.00097248 = 22.0374 BTC [+] {2}
20:39 mircea_popescu bounce are you sure that there "being a market" is a valid approach ?
20:39 mircea_popescu there's a market for injecting raw industrial silicon in women's buttocks.
20:41 mircea_popescu http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/27/florida-woman-posing-as-butt-enhancing-doctor-arrested-for-lethal-injections/
20:41 ozbot Florida woman posing as butt-enhancing doctor arrested for lethal injections
20:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 150 @ 0.00086011 = 0.129 BTC [-]
20:41 bounce there's people that, er, do the same thing with cement?
20:41 mircea_popescu yeah.
20:41 bounce anyway, I wasn't commenting on validity really
20:42 mircea_popescu <bounce> I don't particularly like the model, but if above assumptions hold it's not acutally an outright bad idea. << what's that then ?
20:43 bounce add earlier context that "the masses" happily take any stupid stuff when offered so even a marginally better idea improves the overall situation (if only marginally)
20:44 bounce or, in other words, their idea isn't high explosive in and of itself -- which is what bitcoinpete was contending
20:44 mircea_popescu kinda the point i
20:44 mircea_popescu m disputing
20:44 kakobrekla > you [ognasty] are one of the most trusted people in the entire crypto community
20:44 mircea_popescu and only because i was just writing on this, and my conclusion was "burn it with fire"
20:44 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/idiocy-without-borders-idiots-sans-frontieres/
20:44 kakobrekla im not makin it up; http://pastebin.com/Y518dxjJ
20:44 ozbot Idiocy without borders / Idiots sans frontieres pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:45 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: just reading that as a matter of fact. irlloled several times in this bar
20:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
20:45 mircea_popescu kakobrekla the dude that kept coming to derp in here ?
20:45 kakobrekla yea
20:45 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust ognasty
20:45 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ognasty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ognasty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ognasty | Rated since: Sat Sep 1 22:15:19 2012
20:46 mircea_popescu well... he does have a 1...
20:46 mircea_popescu "Played monopoly, paid his buy-in". if there was a more marginal marginal ever...
20:46 kakobrekla anyway, if some blogger feels like dissecting this, its good material.
20:47 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete the wench brings the drinks, i bring the lolz, is it ? :D
20:47 bounce what's that to do with the multisig wallet thingy bitcoinpete posted a blog about?
20:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00097288 = 3.1132 BTC [+]
20:48 mircea_popescu well no, i selected the "what to do about idiots". you seemed to say that well... empowering their idiocy through catering to their whims is a net positive.
20:48 mircea_popescu i disagree. i'd rather see them hurt than served.
20:49 bounce oh no, I was on about the multisig idea underpinning a webwallet thingy
20:49 mircea_popescu well yes
20:49 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: what more could i ask for? this bc merlot ain't half bad either
20:50 mircea_popescu " as we've seen, there's a market for convenience, any convenience at all" << that part.
20:51 mircea_popescu “Experts say people resort to illegal ‘pumping parties,’ where customers outside a hospital or clinical setting are injected with anything from Botox to industrial-grade silicone, out of convenience or because they lack insurance or access to health care and legitimate plastic surgery.”
20:51 mircea_popescu i tell you, it's connected!
20:52 dub aint no party like illegal pumpin party
20:52 mircea_popescu all the crazed lezzie bitchz...
20:53 bounce well, with accessable insurance and accessable plastic surgery there'll still be those among the masses doing outright stupid stuff, but at least it'll be medically sound
20:53 bounce my angle was I'd rather have the masses have medically sound care than not, regardless of their stupidity.
20:53 mircea_popescu yeah, but you know... back in 1700 there seems to be a complete dearth of bohemian peasants that sat around injecting silicone in their butts to look more like women.
20:53 mircea_popescu so perhaps the problem is that so many poor idiots are also idle.
20:54 mircea_popescu but why ? cause that's what i'm trying to understand.
20:54 bounce or have disposable income to spend
20:54 bitcoinpete or access to credit
20:55 mircea_popescu i mean this welfare nonsense is a) very recent and b) never seems to have been critically considered.
20:55 mircea_popescu for as long as the british empire endured, the thinking was that the poor have to be kept busy
20:55 mircea_popescu lest they become sinful.
20:55 mircea_popescu this somehow switched, 180. and i can't find when, or why.
20:55 bounce why? why do tribe members in darkest africa /want/ to get mutilated? c'mon, you're the one with the degree in anthropology, wasn't it?
20:56 mircea_popescu well yeah, which is what confounds the example that's prolly very clear cut to you.
20:56 mircea_popescu generally they want to be cut for similar reasons to women wanting to be my slaves, it's an educational experience.
20:57 bitcoinpete it still appears as though the present system exists to keep the poor busy
20:57 mircea_popescu does it ?
20:57 bitcoinpete bread and circuses always
20:57 bounce o_O? inasmuch all of life is educational, if you believe wossname esotherics. I'd rather say it's part of being part of the group. we're social, group-minded animals.
20:57 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete huge diff between busy and entertained tho.
20:58 bitcoinpete hmm busy to buy more entertainment
20:58 bounce busy or entertained, either will do if it keeps'em from mobbing and overthrowing the ruling elite
20:58 bitcoinpete new angle?
20:58 mircea_popescu bounce no no, what i mean is quite this : the trannies in florida get the silicone to look a certain way. the african tribesmen get the cut to be a certain way. there's a meta level of distinction.
20:59 bounce I don't see it?
20:59 mircea_popescu similar to the kid that goes to college to learn vs the kid that goes to college to get the diploma.
21:00 bitcoinpete and it's set up so both achieve the same nothingness 4 years later
21:00 mircea_popescu and busy != entertained, because the later is self-managed, the former is not. imposing upon the poor is the essence of busywork, not just that they're occupied, but that they're occupied with other's orders.
21:00 bounce couch potato is self-managed?
21:01 mircea_popescu yeah.
21:01 bounce hyping $stupid_show is in essence giving orders by marketeering
21:01 bitcoinpete the order of a megacorp to buy a new car, new watch, granite countertops leads to busywork downstream
21:01 mircea_popescu that "in essence" doesn't work.
21:01 mircea_popescu it has to be in substance, not "in essence".
21:02 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete this was the theory, cca 1950 to 1980s. it meanwhile failed.
21:02 bitcoinpete it's not clear to me that the essence of consumerism is anything less than substance for most
21:02 bitcoinpete it's a directive
21:03 mircea_popescu the essence/substance distinction is not a matter subjective. what they think and represent has little import.
21:04 bounce well, there's this book by a working-poor-to-riches guy that did it by working really hard and taking every opportunity (like calling the book "how you too can become a millionaire" when he's just explaining what opportunities came his way and how he used them, not really a manual but it's a bestselling title) who also notes it's often the poor that keep themselves and each other poor to, well, fit in with the rest. part of their identity.
21:05 bounce breaking out of that was thus breaking with his prior identity, even his family (didn't help he was queer as a queen, but anyhow) and so on.
21:05 mircea_popescu aha
21:05 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu i see what you mean. perhaps the welfare deal could've only happened in the new world on the back of a sizeable military victory? never before, never again
21:05 bounce reduced ad absurdum, turn off the telly frees you up to get rich. yet they don't turn off the telly for have to be up to date on the soap/game/whatever for the small talk tomorrow.
21:06 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete it happened before. it's exactly how rome looked, 100 to 500ish ad. legionaires too lazy to wear... the helmet. the cuirass was long before abandoned, and even beforer that the shield.
21:06 mircea_popescu bounce but the problem is the "they" in there. why should they turn off the telly or not turn off the telly ?
21:06 mircea_popescu why are the poor masters of their own life ? what nonsense is this!
21:07 bounce well, are they?
21:07 mircea_popescu substantially, yes. essentially, no.
21:07 mircea_popescu this disconnect is imo pernicious.
21:07 mircea_popescu substantially, it's pernicious to the poor. and this is obvious.
21:07 mircea_popescu but essentially... it is pernicious to everyone. and this has so far gone un noticed.
21:08 bounce what, you're arguing against rule by the not-poor?
21:08 mircea_popescu i;m arguing against trying to implement attempts at eating-and-keeping cake.
21:09 bounce uhm. connect that one for me?
21:09 mircea_popescu ok, let me work the latin military example, i think it's the best way in.
21:09 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: ok so everything is pernicious against the poor, the current system just makes is shitty for everyone else and the planet too, because poor think they can do shit
21:10 mircea_popescu cca 300 bc, the roman military consisted of citizens. they went on campaign as the field work was done, raped and pillaged, then lay down their arms and did the fields.
21:10 mircea_popescu you know the story of cincinnatus btw ?
21:12 bounce read the wikipedia page intro. got given a job to do, gave back the authority that came with it once job done.
21:12 mircea_popescu meh. read some classical source sometime, well worth the effort. anyway.
21:12 mircea_popescu those arms consisted of about 70 lbs worth of crap.
21:12 mircea_popescu which they carried, on foot, for about 30 miles a day, for weeks on end.
21:12 mircea_popescu and each night, they dug out a castrum
21:13 mircea_popescu this was military life, at the time, and them folks were... pretty healthy.
21:13 mircea_popescu now, you know caesar was beloved by the troops ?
21:13 bounce by virtue of people not up to the task getting weeded out right quick
21:13 mircea_popescu indeed.
21:14 mircea_popescu you essentially couldsn't get married if you didn't do well i nthe military, so italso self-selected.
21:14 bounce plenty fighting, plenty loot. that sort of go-getter tends to be popular with the troops.
21:14 mircea_popescu not at all.
21:14 mircea_popescu he was popular with the troops because he carried his fucking gear.
21:14 mircea_popescu that was all.
21:14 bounce heh. ok.
21:15 mircea_popescu see ? but the greatest general the romans ever had, arguably, was loved for this very important fucking point, to the soldiers of the time :
21:15 mircea_popescu that he was, himself, a soldier.
21:15 bounce though he apparently also had quite a bit of tent with tiles(!) for flooring with him on campaign, but anyway
21:15 mircea_popescu now, fast forward to caracalla. one of the least bearable emperors in history.
21:16 mircea_popescu by now, the soldiers are sort-of carrying 30ish lbs of crap, and it's more like "you gotta be a suycker to carry all that".
21:16 mircea_popescu what does this do to the general of the time ?
21:16 mircea_popescu because you see... suppose someone inssited they do everything old style.
21:17 mircea_popescu would he likely be loved ? or on the contrary, despised as a total fucking moron of aggregated pointless idiocy ?
21:18 bounce hard to tell. would depend a lot on how it's sold to the troops. I'll grant doing it without selling won't buy you anything except perhaps the troops' stuff to carry too.
21:18 mircea_popescu suppose i walk into a 3rd year computer science class at mit, and proceed to make the kids do one arithmetic problem, and then once they fuck it up make them do one hundred, by hand,
21:18 mircea_popescu and get out the cane and start caning them liberally per mistake.
21:18 mircea_popescu this isn't teaching, right ? it's child abuse.
21:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.0009738 = 23.8581 BTC [+] {3}
21:19 mircea_popescu so there we have it : the cleaving between substance and essence makes it impossible for people to live,
21:19 bounce guys at MIT probably wouldn't make that many misteaks. they have a bit of an ethos of being bloody smart and figuring things out.
21:19 mircea_popescu but it also makes it impossible for them to be helped.
21:19 mircea_popescu it;'s not enough they aren';t fucking soldiers anymore. for their sins, they also cant have generals now.
21:21 mircea_popescu bounce re figuring stuff out, the mandatory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334
21:21 thestringpuller mircea_popescu soldiers only follow orders...isn't a requisite for higher learning self thought?
21:21 bounce uhm. I think I see where you're coming from but the essence/substance thing doesn't speak to me. maybe I'm tired.
21:21 mircea_popescu well tomorrow is another day
21:22 bounce have you read heinlein's starship troopers, btw?
21:22 mircea_popescu mno
21:23 decimation Of course, during republican times, if the army seriously fucked up they would have ... the decimation
21:24 mircea_popescu o hello.
21:24 mircea_popescu that really was very rare, for all its fame.
21:25 mircea_popescu thestringpuller it depends to a huge degree whose orders tho.
21:26 mircea_popescu some guy who simply blindly and slavishly followed da vinci's orders has overall better chances to make his own masterpieces in 30 years than some kid sitting on his ass on reddit all day.
21:26 * bounce calls for a law to ban reddit, for the arts!
21:26 mircea_popescu if only.
21:27 mircea_popescu but it dun work that way.
21:29 mircea_popescu !up AgentSmurf
21:29 assbot Voicing AgentSmurf for 30 minutes.
21:29 bitcoinpete A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."
21:29 bitcoinpete It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life.
21:29 bitcoinpete Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them.
21:29 bitcoinpete Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.
21:29 bitcoinpete thus spoke zarathustra
21:30 mircea_popescu hehe
21:31 decimation Well, the point is, maim (or kill one), educate one thousand
21:33 BingoBoingo I kind of actually hope the Sterling dude exercises ownership by abolishing the Clippers.
21:33 decimation I doubt he has the actual power to do s
21:34 mircea_popescu ownership means very little these days in the us.
21:34 bitcoinpete "Many sick people have always been among the poetizers and God-cravers; furiously they hate the lover of knowledge and that youngest among the virtues, which is called "honesty." They always look backward toward dark ages; then, indeed, delusion and faith were another matter: the rage of reason was godlikeness, and doubt was sin." <<mas zara
21:35 bounce quoting scripture?
21:35 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: sterling's best hope is that the other owners got his back, which , maybe
21:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15324 @ 0.00097439 = 14.9316 BTC [+]
21:36 mircea_popescu bounce he really likes nietzsche
21:36 decimation no, he's quoting that nutcase Nietzsche
21:36 bitcoinpete bounce: nietzsche. scripture is the logs and the pentuach lol
21:36 decimation The best version of that book is the tone-poem by Richard Strauss
21:37 bounce some scripture, with "lol" for punctuation
21:37 bitcoinpete bounce: if you can't laugh at it, it ain't much good
21:38 bounce what was that bit about laughing tracks again?
21:38 bitcoinpete that's other people laughing, how do they count?
21:39 artifexd ;;last jurov
21:39 gribble (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
21:39 bounce spammy spammy gribble
21:39 bounce time for me to catch some zees though
21:39 artifexd ;;seen jurov
21:39 gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <jurov> supay, such as, github stuff?
21:40 bitcoinpete bounce: ciao
21:41 mircea_popescu anyone seen x, y and zee ?
21:42 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
21:42 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.47838131 BTC
21:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0290001 = 0.29 BTC [-]
21:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03586108 = 0.3227 BTC [+]
21:44 thestringpuller ;;gettrust deprived
21:44 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user deprived: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=deprived | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deprived | Rated since: never
21:44 thestringpuller ;;gettrust Deprived
21:44 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Deprived: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Deprived | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Deprived | Rated since: never
21:44 thestringpuller damn was he never in wot?
21:44 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
21:44 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.63493644 BTC
21:45 thestringpuller ?
21:45 thestringpuller !jd mpif
21:45 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.63723671 BTC
21:45 thestringpuller <.<;; ;;>.>
21:45 mircea_popescu so there we go. 213.15567101 btc added to f.mpif in exchange for 1mn extra shares, invested 100 into panacea and 113.15567101 into jd.
21:45 thestringpuller oh
21:45 thestringpuller nice
21:45 thestringpuller damn MPIF is just what we need...
21:45 thestringpuller thanks MP lol
21:46 mircea_popescu this is a little over ideal weight imo, will trim it over time as other venues become able to absorb moar capital
21:49 BingoBoingo It's probably for the best that this extra capital went to the lower risk ventures.
21:52 mircea_popescu hehe we don't even have enough history yet to really evaluate risk
21:53 artifexd Today is not a day to skimp on reading the logs.
21:54 artifexd Maybe read them a few times....
21:54 mircea_popescu the logs have improved!
21:55 mike_c i thought the block of 1mn that sold was you selling your shares in mpif
21:56 mike_c those were new shares?
21:56 mike_c so you hold 1mn and everybody else holds 1mn?
21:56 mike_c and there is another block of 1mn sitting on the order book?
21:56 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well jd and panacea have histories. I'm assuming my pc is high risk until evidence supports otherwise.
21:56 mircea_popescu yes, like 1mn and a little sold, and i have almost 1mn which is sitting in the book
21:57 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo panacea's almost a year old, jd is almost two. these aren't histories, berkshire is like 50 years old.
21:57 mike_c jd isn't even a year old yet :)
21:57 BingoBoingo Fair enough.
21:58 BingoBoingo But yeah, Jd just started last summer.
21:58 mircea_popescu mike_c whoa fuck you'r eright.
21:58 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
21:58 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.64373055 BTC
21:58 mike_c bitcoin time.. it feels like forever.
21:58 mircea_popescu this jd thing is becoming a fun passtime
22:00 asciilifeform montrex watch << mega-lol! thank you mircea_popescu.
22:00 asciilifeform how do you even find these turds.
22:00 mircea_popescu punkman
22:01 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.bulldogtrust.com/index12.htm more ham strange (I enjoyed your diodes) -- "A wrought iron table 60 feet from the antenna will pick up enough energy to make a visible arc to ground"
22:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2913 @ 0.0001489 = 0.4337 BTC [+]
22:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2302 @ 0.00014912 = 0.3433 BTC [+] {2}
22:04 TestingUnoDosTre I'm very confused to what MPIF actually is. Can someone explain? I have read the mpex page, but it has not enlightened me to what is exactly going on
22:04 mike_c it is a fund. you give money to mpif, it invests it in various bitcoin thingies.
22:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00097356 = 20.4448 BTC [-]
22:10 mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre didja read the stuff in the f.mpif category ? like http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ ?
22:11 TestingUnoDosTre mircea_popescu - missed that, thanks
22:14 mike_c 1 ATC block in the last 2.5 hours :(
22:16 artifexd mike_c: That makes this ( http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/ ) look more interesting
22:16 bitcoinpete http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419 <<imf be like hey girl
22:16 ozbot Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin within the Reach of the IMF by Nicholas Plassaras :
22:17 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust Nicholas Plassaras
22:17 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Nicholas to user Plassaras: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Nicholas&dest=Plassaras | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Plassaras | Rated since: never
22:18 TestingUnoDosTre oh my fuck, you're telling me I could have just bet both sides at the beginning and won?
22:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Poor people are an animal species, not as useful as bovines... intimately connected to shit << tricky, this. penniless student, or engineer bled dry by usa housing, or any number of folks, aren't necessarily turdmeisters of the kind painted here
22:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform very true.
22:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but there's certainly a kind of creature, that usa is famous for, that this piece is inescapably about. and the only common attribute of the group, to the unarmed eye, is 'poor.'
22:19 mircea_popescu of course, a large part of hte problem is that if the derps running around on welfare checks debasing the cultural impoirtance of money,
22:19 mircea_popescu the engineer would NOT think there are more important things in life,
22:19 mircea_popescu and so he would not allow himself to be bleed dry.
22:19 mircea_popescu nor the student, if he had any sense.
22:20 asciilifeform engineer would NOT think there are more important things in life << or, alternatively, stand up and fight to the death for la serenissima.
22:21 mircea_popescu something like that. as they say, a fart stinks up the entire room.
22:21 mircea_popescu the ill effects of moral hazard produced through giving idiots free money are far reaching.
22:21 mike_c artifexd: yeah, i don't know which way that bet is going to go, but it will be a bumpy ride.
22:22 asciilifeform i've some essayturds buried somewhere, on the death of craftsman.
22:22 asciilifeform (and the hegemony of the cruftsman)
22:22 asciilifeform ;;ud cruft
22:22 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cruft | cruft. 1. The dust that gathers underneath a bed, 2. Shoddily constructed or made, 3. Bad code, 4. Accumulated physical or virtual junk. Jim had to spend several ...
22:22 ozbot Urban Dictionary: cruft
22:22 asciilifeform pfff. cruft is the substance inside your keyboard.
22:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00444596 = 0.1067 BTC [-]
22:23 asciilifeform or old-style ball bearing mouse.
22:24 mircea_popescu bovine albumin.
22:24 mircea_popescu + celulose detritus
22:24 decimation it seems to me that any core group ("old republicans?") who would stand and fight would easily be crushed by the existing US power holders
22:25 * asciilifeform fondly remembers measuring little tubes of bovine albumin to mix in cell culture medium.
22:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00097356 = 10.6118 BTC [-]
22:25 mircea_popescu decimation what's your definition of "fight" ?
22:25 decimation well exactly. carry a 30 lb sack and bitch about it
22:25 asciilifeform decimation: there is more than one way to fight
22:26 artifexd "craftsman" That was the motivation behind my choice of nick. To continually remind myself of the meaning behind the word and to aspire to have that word used to describe me.
22:27 mircea_popescu and whence the d ?
22:27 artifexd unix-y d. As in the worker that does its work out of sight. Daemon.
22:28 mircea_popescu haha nice combo.
22:29 artifexd ty
22:29 asciilifeform other nitpick - welfare cheques give us - plastic forks; vc money pissing bacchanalia gives us plastic programming systems, plastic internet, etc.
22:29 mircea_popescu nah.
22:30 mircea_popescu w/o the welfare cheques, the "vc" bunch would be alone in a room.
22:30 asciilifeform plastic in the sense of a trash bag i once had the misfortune to keep some machines in - that fell into ten thousand pieces
22:30 decimation I was thinking about this the other day. Almost every technology advance has been used in the US to reduce quality and increase prices. Cell phones go from 25 kHz analog channel to 10 kbit/s "channel"
22:30 asciilifeform 'degradable!'
22:30 mircea_popescu nobody'd come to put up the show and shake the bottled fars for them
22:30 mircea_popescu not unless they paid. by the hour.
22:31 mircea_popescu decimation that's a major point of socialism : it uses technology to degrade quality of life
22:31 mircea_popescu (while claiming capitalism is doing this, of course)
22:32 decimation kitchen appliances go from stainless machines that last for decades to cheap plastic shit that rots after a few years
22:32 decimation try buying a decent dishwasher or clothes washer in the us
22:32 mircea_popescu absurdly, this part i like.
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00097176 = 4.2757 BTC [-]
22:33 mircea_popescu it matches my lifestyle perfectly, i get to a new place, buy a set of the plastic shits
22:33 mircea_popescu by the time they're falling apart i was just about leaving
22:33 asciilifeform this is sorta how it's done in usa
22:34 decimation yeah the average usian moves every 7 years as i recall
22:34 asciilifeform i spent a good deal of today checking list of things that won't be coming to new flat, and it includes virtually everything
22:34 mircea_popescu yurts!
22:34 decimation the problem is that they are running out of places to sprawl and ruin
22:34 asciilifeform aye. semispace garbage collection!
22:34 mircea_popescu i told people of my engineer park yurt design
22:34 mircea_popescu everyone was falling over in cuteness
22:35 decimation I think it would be great. Young engineers would occupy the greybeard's old shacks, and repeat his experiments
22:36 mircea_popescu maybe when you're old and dying you pick a guy to bequeath your yurt line toi
22:36 asciilifeform decimation: for some reason, this reminds me of a tale my consulting partner (physicist, grew up in india, 1970s) told me. students would qualify on instruments that barely worked, but belonged, to, e.g. the great Bose.
22:36 decimation Aram Bose?
22:36 mircea_popescu with the scribblings ?
22:36 asciilifeform they'd be carefully marked with a crib sheet for the 'correct' measurement.
22:36 asciilifeform aye
22:37 asciilifeform 'feel honoured to use bose's broken spectroscope' etc
22:37 decimation sounds legit. Why not learn on the very machines of the old master? Better yet, fix it up
22:37 asciilifeform yeah well, in the western world they might fix.
22:38 asciilifeform in the east, fix won't happen, for the lack of a new bose
22:38 decimation there is a new bose, he just doesn't live in the east: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanu_Bose
22:38 decimation I'm sure being India there's a caste aspect to it too
22:39 decimation Boston brahmins being replaced with Brahmins
22:39 asciilifeform Aram Bose << nope. the bose of bose-einstein condensate, etc
22:39 asciilifeform Satyendra Nath Bose
22:40 decimation ah okay I'm thinking Bose of the bose speaker empire
22:40 decimation ex-MIT EE
22:40 asciilifeform lol
22:40 asciilifeform infamous u.s. huckster, that one
22:40 decimation yes indeed
22:40 asciilifeform emblematic of faux luxury products
22:41 asciilifeform if he didn't exist, 'we'd have to invent him' for the purpose of this line of thought.
22:41 decimation he was a legitimate EE prof at MIT, but apparently found it more profitable to separate idiots from their money
22:41 decimation I was wrong he was Amar, not Aram, my memories betray
22:42 TestingUnoDosTre until Dr. Dre came into the headphone space. Then idiots lost their money twice as fast
22:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i bet you that if you asked indian teens today, the millionaire speaker ee guy is more interesting a worship idol than the physicist.
22:42 asciilifeform now, also pertinent, is how this fellow (me partner, not amar) ended up in usa
22:42 asciilifeform booted out through 'affirmative action' style quotas for the bottom castes
22:42 asciilifeform instituted in that period.
22:42 decimation by india or the us?
22:42 asciilifeform india
22:43 asciilifeform they have a sort of scale model of u.s. idiocy going
22:43 decimation india is the future of us democracy
22:43 thestringpuller ^ that is frightening
22:43 asciilifeform decimation is optimist
22:44 thestringpuller haha
22:44 TestingUnoDosTre kakobrekla ,some anonymous asshat keeps on posting advertisements for his own difficulty betting site on bitbet http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/#c2888
22:44 asciilifeform in the east, there is at least a tradition of castes 'knowing their place' that they might potentially return to.
22:44 mircea_popescu lol!
22:44 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema fairlay
22:44 gribble When did the 2007 banking crisis start ? How about 1985 ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/when-did-the-2007-banking-crisis-start-how-about-1985/>; Economic cycles finally explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/>; Trilemma Stability and International Macroeconomic Archetypes: (1 more message)
22:44 mircea_popescu aww im sure he was there
22:45 decimation yeah I agree "us -> india" is on the optimistic side
22:45 asciilifeform try brazil, say.
22:45 TestingUnoDosTre ahhh that one is not in engrish
22:45 kakobrekla yes everyone advertises on bitbet comments, from predictious to fairlay
22:46 mircea_popescu these people
22:46 mircea_popescu why not splurge and buy... a banner!
22:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15218 @ 0.00097312 = 14.8089 BTC [+] {2}
22:48 asciilifeform he was a legitimate EE prof at MIT << profs. bolt, beranek, and newman quit to do... neat stuff. today, they leave to become spammers. 'that's where the money is.'
22:49 decimation at least they sold out to respectable beltway banditry
22:49 TestingUnoDosTre I'm going to go create a betting website, go advertise on bitbet, then create a bitbet that my site will last throughout the year, then bet on NO
22:49 TestingUnoDosTre muchos profits
22:50 mircea_popescu sometimes i entertain this vague notion where we're somehow all wrong and the nonsense somehow actually makes sense
22:50 asciilifeform who doesn't
22:50 mircea_popescu sorta like SF
22:51 asciilifeform sorta like the occasional healthy fellow who ends up in a mental asylum
22:51 mircea_popescu "what premises would we need for intelligent frogs to make perfect sense ?"
22:51 asciilifeform eventually starts to crack
22:51 mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre lol
22:51 mircea_popescu then make another one, and with the profitos from the first one, buy a a banner ?
22:52 asciilifeform thing is, for sufficiently narrow tunnel, anything makes sense. flying into a flame makes perfect sense to the insect.
22:52 mircea_popescu btw, i don't know if you realise this, but we're fucking up most insects something fierce.
22:53 mircea_popescu they're tuned to seek the moon in the dark, you see, because while they can't go that far, all of them seeking it ensures they meet
22:53 mircea_popescu and so they fuck.
22:53 mircea_popescu but with the countless neon moons distributed all over, this ceases to work
22:54 asciilifeform for quite a while.
22:54 mircea_popescu like in that computing sucks blog,
22:54 mircea_popescu "You discover that one day, some idiot decided that since another idiot decided that 1/0 should equal infinity, they could just use that as a shorthand for "Infinity" when simplifying their code. Then a non-idiot rightly decided that this was idiotic, which is what the original idiot should have decided, but since he didn't, the non-idiot decided to be a dick and make this a failing error in his new compiler. Then he d
22:54 mircea_popescu ecided he wasn't going to tell anyone that this was an error, because he's a dick, and now all your snowflakes are urine and you can't even find the cat."
22:54 asciilifeform see peppered moth.
22:54 asciilifeform famous example
22:54 mircea_popescu that's exactly what happened : some engineer made 1/0 shorthand for infinity trying to fit their code into the insect
22:54 asciilifeform known, i think, even to u.s. schoolboys
22:54 mircea_popescu where 1/0 = moon
22:56 asciilifeform for users of 'source' linux flavours, e.g. gentoo, the comical picture above is daily reality.
22:57 asciilifeform 'remove xxx to build new ver. xxx' won't build. spend a week to get a working box again.'
22:57 TestingUnoDosTre how does one fit code into an insect?
22:57 decimation ascii, the thing is that such systems seem so seductive when they are young and small
22:57 mircea_popescu if i knew that i'd have some kickass locusts
22:58 decimation the rot isn't obvious until the next generation comes to try to 'fix' things
22:58 mircea_popescu moe!
22:59 decimation how many bugs are you willing to tolerate?
22:59 asciilifeform decimation: the system is capped by the intelligence of the dumbest contributor. which would be, typically... 10,000 people? there's bound to be a turdmeister.
23:00 ThickAsThieves this is kinda interesting
23:00 ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24himq/i_sent_a_freedom_of_information_act_request_to/
23:00 ozbot I sent a Freedom of Information Act Request to the FBI over a year ago. They just responded today. :
23:00 ThickAsThieves it's heavily redacted commentary on bitcoin
23:01 asciilifeform in other news...
23:01 asciilifeform http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-01/pentagon-admits-no-solution-replace-russian-rockets-launch-us-military-satellites
23:01 ozbot Pentagon Admits "No Solution" To Replace Russian Rockets To Launch US Military Satellites | Zero Hed
23:02 decimation http://www.space.com/25718-russian-official-us-trampolines-space.html
23:02 ozbot Russia's Deputy Prime Minister on Twitter: US Can Use Trampolines to Reach Space | Space.com
23:03 asciilifeform catch them on re-entry with baseball glove.
23:03 decimation the irony is that the US has plenty of rockets that are plenty reliable for human space flight
23:03 asciilifeform american, patriotic.
23:03 asciilifeform had.
23:03 decimation the problem is that the vast space-welfare complex can't be made to do anything without billions of $
23:04 asciilifeform 'what can't continue - won't.' etc
23:06 TestingUnoDosTre asciilifeform - this comment from zero hedge is great "It shouldn't have taken them this long to figure out sanctions against Russia wouldn't work in the first place. Next they will be passing sanctions against hurricanes and earthquakes, might as well go full retard at this point."
23:07 TestingUnoDosTre Can totally see the War on Global Warming
23:07 asciilifeform TestingUnoDosTre: quite a few folks in russia are pining for the (distant) possibility of proper sanctions. where usa takes its pernicious cultural, economic exports and goes home.
23:07 decimation even the supposed "outsiders" like Musk are really just on the space-welfare dole
23:08 asciilifeform if everybody in a given field is on the dole, what does that suggest about the field?
23:08 TestingUnoDosTre it's going to the moon!
23:08 decimation except, there are almost no "fields" in the us that are free of such doles
23:09 decimation honestly if the US wanted to go full-retard, the most profitable way to proceed would be to stop collecting any taxes and run the entire USG on printed money
23:09 asciilifeform decimation: end of the line. the train gets there eventually.
23:10 asciilifeform when the choice becomes 'pay tax and starve' vs. 'live, off the books'
23:10 asciilifeform as in '90s russia
23:10 decimation "we survived as best we could"
23:11 kakobrekla in the Machine town.
23:12 decimation did you see this article ascii? http://theden.tv/2014/04/08/russia-yesterday-america-tomorrow-notes-on-neoliberal-looting/
23:13 asciilifeform decimation: the asset-stripping thing is only a secret from u.s. schoolchildren
23:15 decimation the elites are not happy to have the masses know the truth about "foreign policy"
23:15 benkay what is this book of williamsons?
23:15 asciilifeform basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.'
23:16 moiety this is like my life at present ^
23:17 moiety but dinner costs 2
23:18 decimation " Jeffrey Sachs was an advisor to the IMF. He also claimed to be an advisor to the Russians. "
23:20 asciilifeform 'Russia's post-collapse economy was for a time dominated by one type of wholesale business: asset stripping. To put it in an American setting: suppose you have title, or otherwise unhindered access, to an entire suburban subdivision, which is no longer accessible by transportation, either public or private, too far to reach by bicycle, and is generally no longer suitable for its intended purpose of housing and
23:20 asciilifeform accumulating equity for fully employed commuters who shop at the now defunct nearby mall. After the mortgages are foreclosed and the properties repossessed, what more is there to do, except board it all up and let it rot? Well, what has been developed can be just as easily undeveloped.'
23:20 asciilifeform 'Russia's post-collapse economy was for a time dominated by one type of wholesale business: asset stripping. To put it in an American setting: suppose you have title, or otherwise unhindered access, to an entire suburban subdivision, which is no longer accessible by transportation, either public or private, too far to reach by bicycle, and is generally no longer suitable for its intended purpose of housing and
23:20 asciilifeform accumulating equity for fully employed commuters who shop at the now defunct nearby mall. After the mortgages are foreclosed and the properties repossessed, what more is there to do, except board it all up and let it rot? Well, what has been developed can be just as easily undeveloped.'
23:21 asciilifeform 'Having bits of the landscape disappear can be a rude surprise. One summer I arrived in St. Petersburg and found that a new scourge had descended on the land while I was gone: a lot of manhole covers were mysteriously missing. Nobody knew where they went or who profited from their removal. One guess was that the municipal workers, who hadn't been paid in months, took them home with them, to be returned once th
23:21 asciilifeform ey got paid. They did eventually reappear, so there may be some merit to this theory. With the gaping manholes positioned throughout the city like so many anteater traps for cars, you had the choice of driving either very slowly and carefully, or very fast, and betting your life on the proper functioning of the shock absorbers. '
23:21 asciilifeform (orlov's infamous piece)
23:21 asciilifeform 'Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century.'
23:22 TestingUnoDosTre orlov has to be one of the most oft quoted here
23:22 asciilifeform damn, this didn't work
23:22 asciilifeform anyway, everyone has probably read that one.
23:24 mod6 it's good, everytime I read it asciilifeform
23:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12809 @ 0.00097375 = 12.4728 BTC [+] {2}
23:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00465736 = 0.1677 BTC [-]
23:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03376027 = 0.1013 BTC [-]
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23:45 BingoBoingo ;;later tell supay Keep me updated on how your guide is doing
23:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:55 TestingUnoDosTre ok, slightly retarded here but... how do I register a new nick to an already registered gpgkey via gribble?
23:56 TestingUnoDosTre I'm trying to rid myself of TestingUnoDosTre
23:58 benkay have you tried registering a new nick with that key?
23:58 benkay i hate to suggest the obvious...
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