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00:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51813216 BTC [+]
00:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15991 @ 0.00098054 = 15.6798 BTC [-]
00:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9709 @ 0.00098054 = 9.5201 BTC [-]
00:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03436705 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {4}
00:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
00:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0344965 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {3}
00:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03449503 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3}
00:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03449471 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {5}
00:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04300001 = 0.989 BTC [+] {5}
00:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0013 = 0.117 BTC [+]
00:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.04300001 = 1.892 BTC [+] {4}
00:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0344942 = 0.207 BTC [-] {6}
00:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449955 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}
00:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349875 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
00:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449862 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4}
00:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03475 = 0.2085 BTC [+] {6}
00:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349876 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}
00:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349886 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}
00:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23797 @ 0.00098163 = 23.3598 BTC [+] {2}
00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00097883 = 4.992 BTC [-] {2}
00:45 mike_c a worthy read. many lulz at the expense of the sec.
00:45 mike_c http://blogmaverick.com/2014/01/21/my-first-sec-trial-transcript-has-some-real-comedy-and-a-message-to-mary-jo-white-sec-vs-schvacho/
00:45 ozbot My First SEC Trial Transcript Has Some Real Comedy and a Message to Mary Jo White – SEC vs Schvach
00:55 cazalla TestingUnoDosTre: you can always /msg nickserv info namehere
00:56 TestingUnoDosTre gracias - found out I have to become more creative
01:00 TestingUnoDosTre .d
01:00 ozbot 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1971 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.6710% in 11d 9h 41m 48s
01:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49222333 = 4.43 BTC [-] {7}
01:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49000001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
01:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0400001 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}
01:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0009777 = 14.1278 BTC [-] {2}
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01:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
01:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 670 @ 0.00090614 = 0.6071 BTC [+] {4}
01:50 ThickAsThieves flight to amsterdam is booked!
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02:08 cazalla http://www.rba.gov.au/foi/disclosure-log/pdf/131419.pdf old document but released today, brief mention of MPEx page 9
02:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16822 @ 0.00098212 = 16.5212 BTC [+]
02:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00098212 = 18.6603 BTC [+]
02:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00098212 = 8.5444 BTC [+]
02:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06768448 = 0.1354 BTC [-] {2}
02:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00098008 = 1.8622 BTC [-]
02:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00098224 = 23.1318 BTC [+] {2}
03:02 Naphex morning
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03:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5875 @ 0.00098229 = 5.771 BTC [+]
03:30 Naphex morning
03:34 fluffypony Naphex: morning
03:34 Naphex morning, fluff`, did you check out my working example for addresses? complete with dnssec, and server pubkey?
03:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1624 BTC [-]
03:38 fluffypony I saw it in the log but got busy
03:38 fluffypony I'll track back and look at it this morning when I get a mo :)
03:47 HeySteve morning
03:48 HeySteve http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/29/litecoin_hardware_spells_the_end_for_graphics_card_mining/
03:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00098236 = 8.8412 BTC [+] {2}
04:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098008 = 4.9494 BTC [-]
04:13 fluffypony ;;later tell dexX7 thanks for giving me morning readings :)
04:13 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00098266 = 9.6792 BTC [+] {3}
04:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00097887 = 16.2492 BTC [-] {2}
04:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50885144 = 2.5443 BTC [+] {4}
04:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
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05:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19675 @ 0.00098296 = 19.3397 BTC [+]
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05:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07094347 = 2.483 BTC [+] {7}
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05:59 mircea_popescu decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals << dude you srsly typed that out ?!
06:00 mircea_popescu decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI << i had a chemistry lab. complete with strong acids and everything, i had like a pint of vitriol oil.
06:04 mircea_popescu holy shit there's 1mn pdf to html/etc converters online, NONE of them will take an url as input
06:05 mircea_popescu why is the web made by imbeciles! srsly, how hard is to think this one through guys!
06:05 mircea_popescu cazalla mind quoting the brief mention ?
06:06 cazalla mircea_popescu: 32 As an aside, there are options contracts for delivery of bitcoins and bitcoin - denomina ted commodity futures being sold at the MPEx Exchange . Recent news reports suggest that the Commodity and Futures Tr ading Commission in the US is evaluating its role in derivatives contracts that are denominated in bitcoins.
06:06 mircea_popescu "My understanding of insider trading law is that in order for it to be insider trading, there must be some violation of trust. In other words, if someone walked up to you and said “Im the CEO of this public company and I’m about to make the biggest cash sale in the history of the company and we will blow away all wall street numbers and you should buy the stock”. That is without question material, non-public info
06:06 mircea_popescu rmation. But if you trade on the information, is it insider trading ? The answer as best I understand the law is NO. It is not insider trading. Why ? Because the CEO did not ask you to keep the information confidential. Nor did he ask you not to trade on the information. You have no responsibility to him. You can trade and tell the world about his deal if you would like."
06:06 mircea_popescu the cuban quote is quite inaccurate, if very self serving
06:06 mircea_popescu cazalla ah ty.
06:08 fluffypony mircea_popescu: ghostscript can do pdf to html via via, here's a python3 snippet for it: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/36700759050/converting-pdf-to-html
06:08 mircea_popescu ty but im not running it.
06:09 mircea_popescu someone should make a website that works just like google translate,
06:09 mircea_popescu except it takes in pdf and spits out actual text.
06:09 fluffypony if you want I'll setup a little service to do it for you, we're running ghostscript on the one server for PDF invoices
06:09 mircea_popescu call it the deadobinator.
06:09 mircea_popescu fluffypony set it for the world, it's a good utility.
06:10 mircea_popescu "you don't need to interact with pdfs anymore, just prefix all pdf download links with http://fluffypony.com/fuckadobe/"
06:11 fluffypony lol
06:11 fluffypony lemme play with this little python snippet and see what I can do
06:12 mircea_popescu no rush.
06:13 fluffypony oh wikipedia, u so meta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
06:13 mircea_popescu nowai.
06:15 punkman mircea_popescu: there's scribd, but it kinda sucks http://www.scribd.com/vacuum?url=
06:15 mircea_popescu yeah not rly an improvement
06:23 punkman I'll try their API, had it on some todo list a while ago
06:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26978 @ 0.00098323 = 26.5256 BTC [+] {3}
06:24 punkman meanwhile, namecheap answers: "Unfortunately, technical department informed us that you should use only static IPs wih API. Once the IP is changed automatically the API will fail."
06:33 mircea_popescu kik
06:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20405 @ 0.00098188 = 20.0353 BTC [-]
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06:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07079999 = 0.6372 BTC [-]
07:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00097997 = 25.0382 BTC [-] {4}
07:09 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/ :)
07:09 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25875 @ 0.00098479 = 25.4814 BTC [+] {2}
07:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 290 @ 0.0013 = 0.377 BTC [+]
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07:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00097778 = 11.1956 BTC [-] {2}
07:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC
07:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11137 @ 0.00098012 = 10.9156 BTC [+]
07:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00098255 = 14.4435 BTC [+] {2}
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08:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00097495 = 25.9863 BTC [-] {2}
08:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0711 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}
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08:54 fluffypony ;;later tell asciilifeform thought you'd enjoy your views on Lisp being confirmed by the South African netsec community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WAEfFWvp
08:54 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:55 Apocalyptic fluffypony, you know Stalker ?
08:55 Apocalyptic I mean THE Stalker ?
08:56 fluffypony Apocalyptic: no clue if that's his nick here, I'd assume so
08:56 Apocalyptic where did this convo take place ?
08:56 fluffypony #zacon on Atrum
08:58 Apocalyptic can you ask him if he's the HZV Stalker ?
08:58 fluffypony k
08:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00098149 = 11.6797 BTC [+]
09:03 fluffypony Apocalyptic: not him
09:06 Naphex the syntax in lisp is just brilliant
09:06 Naphex so easy to understand, and see what's going on ;]
09:06 Naphex makes coding look like abstract art
09:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00097423 = 35.9491 BTC [-] {2}
09:08 Apocalyptic fluffypony, ok, thanks
09:09 Naphex http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/lisp.jpg
09:13 fluffypony http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/silk-road-prosecutor-contradicts-irs.html?m=1
09:13 ozbot Activist Post: Silk Road Prosecutor Says IRS is Wrong, Bitcoin is Money
09:14 fluffypony so basically: "Bitcoin is money. Or property. Or a medium of exchange. Or a store of value. Or gold. Dependent on whether we want to prosecute or tax you or both."
09:21 ThickAsThieves seems they are trying to solve the wrong problem\
09:21 Apocalyptic ^
09:21 ThickAsThieves why try to put a square in a round hole
09:21 ThickAsThieves just give it its own category
09:23 ThickAsThieves hell they dont even have to do that, maybe just go ahead and let it be multiple things in law
09:24 ThickAsThieves is bitcoin money? yes
09:24 ThickAsThieves is it property? yes
09:24 ThickAsThieves etc
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09:46 ThickAsThieves !up random_cat_
09:46 assbot Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
09:49 random_cat_ ty; sometime soon semi-auto authenticate will re-occur
09:49 random_cat_ the query was: isn't money [just] a special form of property?
09:49 thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole << i've said this for years. but now i'm starting to understand people are so stupid they don't realize they are stupid
09:50 ThickAsThieves "A unique category of property is money, which in some legal systems is treated as tangible property and in others as intangible property."
09:52 ThickAsThieves ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pando.com/2014/04/29/skillbridge-is-racing-to-become-the-freelance-consultants-marketplace/ in regards to having a "bitcoin freelance.com" how might that differ from freelance.com and the like simply accepting bitcoin? to ONLY accept bitcoin?
09:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:52 ThickAsThieves ;;later
09:52 gribble Error: "later" is not a valid command.
09:53 thestringpuller ~_~
09:55 ThickAsThieves ;;halfreward
09:55 gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Aug 21 14:55:32 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, and 0 seconds.
09:56 ThickAsThieves ;;interval
09:56 gribble 526.829268292683
09:56 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.20
09:56 fluffypony lawl
09:56 ozbot [XCP] Adeally IPO Monday April 28
09:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07225812 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {5}
09:56 random_cat_ too bad halfreward does not mention the block number
09:56 ThickAsThieves ;;totalbtc
09:56 gribble Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.
09:56 fluffypony SEC filing was incorrect
09:56 ThickAsThieves ;;totalbc
09:56 gribble 12711475.0
09:56 fluffypony "Just be happy that nobody has mentioned the Whistleblower program, which provides a 10-30% bounty on SEC enforcement actions that result from tips on possible SEC violations. With all of the faucet mongers on this forum, I imagine at least one or two of them would spend a few minutes on the SEC website for a payday down the road."
09:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30543 @ 0.00097653 = 29.8262 BTC [+] {2}
09:59 ThickAsThieves interesting that they filed at all
10:00 ThickAsThieves (i assume someone verified they did?)
10:00 ThickAsThieves ;;obip 1000
10:00 gribble Bitstamp | The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 446.28772 USD. | Data vintage: 0.1078 seconds
10:00 ThickAsThieves interesting
10:00 ThickAsThieves thats like excactly the price
10:01 ThickAsThieves ;;baratio
10:01 gribble Bitstamp | Total bids: 9884457 USD. Total asks: 23180 BTC. Ratio: 426.41103 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 58.1081 seconds
10:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5546 @ 0.00097551 = 5.4102 BTC [-]
10:06 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: they provided a snurl'd link to the SEC filing in the OP
10:07 ThickAsThieves word
10:07 ThickAsThieves http://pando.com/2014/04/29/with-all-that-cash-why-is-apple-borrowing-to-raise-its-dividend-and-buybacks/ this is interesting
10:07 ozbot With all that cash, why is Apple borrowing to raise its dividend and buybacks? | PandoDaily
10:08 bounce because the cash isn't really cash and stuck across borders and more of that bs?
10:08 ThickAsThieves sorta
10:08 ThickAsThieves in order to keep the money overseas to avoid tax
10:08 ThickAsThieves they borrow money here
10:09 ThickAsThieves through the bond offering
10:10 ThickAsThieves they buyback their own stock
10:10 ThickAsThieves it's fucked up and elegant
10:14 ThickAsThieves KnCMiner Joins Bitcoin Foundation at Platinum Level
10:15 random_cat_ CoB < E[RoE] ?
10:18 ThickAsThieves !up princessnell_
10:18 assbot Voicing princessnell_ for 30 minutes.
10:18 princessnell_ thanks
10:18 ThickAsThieves np
10:19 ThickAsThieves if you need help getting auth'd and all that jazz, people in here can help
10:19 ThickAsThieves same for you random_cat_
10:23 ThickAsThieves ;;later tell fluffypony see look, you do have (software) competition! http://bitcoinmagazine.com/12660/coinmyne/
10:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:25 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yep I know, but hey - competition is good for the soul;)
10:27 ThickAsThieves well it at least means the vertical might actually exist
10:27 ThickAsThieves ;)
10:28 fluffypony it definitely does
10:30 fluffypony and there's a lot more to mining than cgminer
10:39 thestringpuller https://hashop.io/calc/16
10:40 thestringpuller ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com https://hashop.io/calc/16
10:40 gribble NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013>
10:40 thestringpuller ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "hashop.io"
10:40 gribble NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013>
10:40 thestringpuller ~_~
10:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0340011 = 0.34 BTC [-]
10:43 mike_c mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like that article. i am a fan of cuban, he's good people.
10:43 mike_c good writeup. a bit harsh on mark, but he can take it.
10:45 thestringpuller mike_c: is this in trilema?
10:45 mike_c yes
10:45 thestringpuller new article?
10:46 mike_c yes, would you like me to read it to you out loud? :)
10:47 ThickAsThieves lol
10:47 thestringpuller yes please. will you read it to me tonight before I go to bed
10:47 * mike_c needs more coffee
10:47 thestringpuller like a bed time story?!?!?
10:48 thestringpuller why was I here again...
10:48 thestringpuller oh yea
10:48 mike_c absolutely. just send me 1 trilema credit.
10:48 thestringpuller !jd MPIF
10:48 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.36083449 BTC
10:48 thestringpuller WHOA
10:48 thestringpuller HOL UP HOL UP
10:48 thestringpuller ;;google ( .36 / 50 )
10:48 gribble Source Four® EDLT 19˚, 26˚, 36˚, & 50˚ ETC®: <http://www.etcconnect.com/docs/docs_downloads/datashts/7060L1042_S4_EDLT_Spec_Sht_vC.pdf>; Source Four® jr 36° ETC®: <http://www.etcconnect.com/DOCS/DOCS_DOWNLOADS/DATASHTS/7062L1008_SOURCE_FOUR_JR_36_SPEC_SHT_VE.PDF>; Control Escon Page: <http://escon.maxonmotor.com/>
10:48 thestringpuller ;;calc ( 0.36 / 50 )
10:48 gribble 0.0072
10:49 thestringpuller ;;calc 0.0072 * 6
10:49 gribble 0.0432
10:50 thestringpuller ;;calc 0.0072 * 5
10:50 gribble 0.036
10:50 mike_c if you're curious, here's historical monthly JD ROI: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/
10:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0404999 = 0.405 BTC [+]
10:53 thestringpuller nice
10:53 thestringpuller thx
10:54 mike_c this month was 4.4%
11:00 kakobrekla are you gonna do cumulative charts too ?
11:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0405 = 0.405 BTC [+]
11:03 mike_c there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there
11:03 kakobrekla yea i just figured that out
11:04 mike_c cumulative ROI from inception, it can be hard to tease out useful info. idk.
11:05 mike_c aw, sheesh. fricking widget is busted. who coded this crap?
11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0009764 = 8.2018 BTC [+]
11:09 thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: what do you think about Curren$y?
11:09 mike_c ok, widget is fixed.
11:10 mike_c so, last night i was on bitbet and was thinking that it would be cool to have a dynamic banner ad that promoted bitbets. aspiring affiliates could use it to make big moolah.
11:11 mike_c proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism)
11:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00097574 = 13.1725 BTC [-] {2}
11:11 benkay neat, mike
11:11 kakobrekla this is neat
11:12 kakobrekla first!!
11:12 * kakobrekla checks the log
11:12 kakobrekla fuck.
11:14 mike_c proof of concept is slow & unstable (pings BB in background), but wouldn't be hard to make it solid.
11:19 kakobrekla you could do like ?id=1,2,3 to feed it the pool from which to select the displayed text ?
11:19 kakobrekla let it ping bb who cares
11:20 kakobrekla its not like im gonna run out bandwidth like ukyo does
11:20 mike_c yeah, that would work. the default should be to grab from open bets (which it doesn't check right now).
11:20 mike_c well, i'm thinking BB might get mad at my server and rate limit it.
11:20 bounce *iwilcox* [...] these guys should be in #bitcoin-otc-uk this evening: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0 [...] -- post from the 24th, claiming "We have developed a NASDAQ style exchange platform" and bitcoin/GBP for starters; logs then show a post 110 higer claiming to be "the only true UK bitcoin exchange".
11:20 kakobrekla prolly not mike_c
11:21 mike_c but i have like, crazy traffic! BB might get swamped :D
11:21 kakobrekla hehe
11:22 kakobrekla on a side point , the site is quite lightweight
11:22 mike_c but i'm thinking i'll whip up an includable .js that writes out the image and a supplied affiliate id. then affiliates can use it in their advertising.
11:22 kakobrekla so it should handle some beating.
11:22 mike_c static pages are nice that way.
11:23 bounce re apple borrowing to pay dividents, they've been doing that for a while. though, thinking about it... are those off-shore profits still tax deductible when gifted to charities?
11:23 kakobrekla fyi, when you scroll in /browse/, theres a delay added intentionally on loading new data, because without it, it was too fast and didnt look good.
11:24 mike_c heh. nice.
11:25 ThickAsThieves bounce, my guess is that they may not necessarily be donating that offshore money, but that they have less need to spend it there in the short term than they have need to spend money in the US. Sorta like theyve diverted more assets overseas than they need, but no so badly that theyre willing to eat the tax hit to bring it back.
11:25 ThickAsThieves even more likely, they are biding their time for a tax holiday or special workaround yet to exist
11:27 bounce I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money
11:30 kakobrekla i just checked, 50ms delay, but you notice it.
11:32 ThickAsThieves <+bounce> I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money --- well, they can't bring it back without paying their due. i suppose they could donate within the host country though. I really don't know the facts.
11:34 fluffypony bounce: wow, there are so many "One True UK Bitcoin Exchanges" right now
11:34 fluffypony we should start one
11:34 fluffypony EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one
11:34 bounce oh yes, why not. entirely run by non-residents. there's a novel idea.
11:35 fluffypony come now
11:35 bounce there's?
11:35 fluffypony Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader"
11:35 fluffypony need we say anything more?
11:35 bounce whosat?
11:35 fluffypony he leads thoughts.
11:35 fluffypony Global Coin FX
11:36 fluffypony the Seedcoin II funded *true* UK exchange
11:38 fluffypony bounce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0 <- another *true* UK exchange
11:38 bounce searching for that guy's name brings up this: http://www.athcon.org/about.php
11:38 bounce yeah that's the +110
11:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]
11:39 fluffypony this UK exchange thing is becoming a living, breathing No True Scotsman fallacy
11:39 fluffypony "Christian works as a Senior Application Security Architect for a large Investment Bank based in London"
11:40 fluffypony I see
11:40 fluffypony so that's how you become a thought leader
11:40 * fluffypony makes a note
11:41 bounce my experiences with uk recruiters is... not good. "not enough unix" when there's six flavours on the old cv, that sort of stuff.
11:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700013 = 0.14 BTC [-]
11:49 fluffypony bounce: they sound special
11:52 fluffypony !up the20year
11:52 assbot Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
11:52 fluffypony !up mrstickball
11:52 assbot Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
11:54 mrstickball thanks
11:54 the20year yay
11:55 the20year I would have thought mrstickball would have had a high enough rating for auto voice
11:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
11:57 benkay it's not quantity but quality
11:57 benkay ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
11:57 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpkoyrxcbdyijtjn. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
11:57 fluffypony the20year: it's not about a "high" rating
11:57 fluffypony the20year: you have to be in assbot's l1 or l2 to up yourself
11:57 benkay uh but it seems mrstickball could up himself.
11:57 mrstickball I assumed I had L2 with assbot
11:57 benkay ;;gettrust assbot the20year
11:57 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014
11:57 ThickAsThieves !down the the20year
11:58 ThickAsThieves !down the20year
11:58 ThickAsThieves do it right plz!
11:59 benkay the man can't self-up, ThickAsThieves.
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0381001 = 0.381 BTC [-]
11:59 ThickAsThieves well tell me this
11:59 ThickAsThieves what's the point of +m if someone just gets voiced every day by someone else?
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
12:00 benkay the point is that those who can voice do so if they feel moved by the spirit
12:00 ThickAsThieves well feel free to re-up i guess i made my point
12:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00097897 = 10.3771 BTC [+]
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38507092 BTC to 7`589 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
12:01 BingoBoingo !up the20year
12:01 assbot Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
12:02 BingoBoingo the20year: for srs has no one trust in you?
12:02 the20year Not here at least it seems
12:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00097815 = 6.4558 BTC [-]
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 42.37371273 BTC to 7`589 shares, 558357 satoshi per share
12:02 the20year You'd think i'd be able to drum up more people considering i've been given along the lines of 1k btc
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03800456 = 0.9121 BTC [-] {3}
12:04 mrstickball the problem is that he never bothered with core/OTC until recently
12:04 the20year Correct
12:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03964468 = 0.7929 BTC [+] {3}
12:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07364998 = 0.1473 BTC [+]
12:04 BingoBoingo the20year: Well I'm averse to trusting you because of that thing where you consider Ohio viable enough to make it a core part of your schtick
12:04 the20year So I've been working on ratings for 2 days, granted mrstickball i don't think still have enough trust after a year to voice himself
12:04 the20year You live in Ohio?
12:05 fluffypony the20year: you can get enough trust to voice yourself the day you join
12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 99 @ 0.03302152 = 3.2691 BTC [-] {6}
12:05 fluffypony it's not about historical ratings
12:05 benkay I'm averse to trusting the20year due to that whole 'suspend trading and sell stock at a fixed price' thing, BingoBoingo .
12:05 fluffypony or cumulative ratings
12:06 BingoBoingo benkay: Maybe that is a part of it? Maybe it isn't.
12:06 the20year fluffypony: how?
12:06 mrstickball benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does
12:06 BingoBoingo the20year: I thought I made my position on Ohio well known in the past.
12:06 fluffypony the20year: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=POS&type=SENT
12:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.036 = 0.864 BTC [-]
12:06 the20year And your source of data boingo?
12:06 fluffypony the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people
12:06 fluffypony once rated you'll be in assbot's L2
12:07 ThickAsThieves <+mrstickball> benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does <<< only of the20year allows it
12:07 the20year with suspending shares for 2nd phase? I'm not aware of any option they have outside of it
12:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.036 = 0.972 BTC [-] {2}
12:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07385419 = 3.1757 BTC [+] {7}
12:07 benkay yeah, this "havelock's the problem here!" whine carries absolutely no water.
12:07 mike_c <+fluffypony> the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people << if they give ratings for trading peanuts OTC
12:07 ThickAsThieves why are you calling it second phase?
12:07 ThickAsThieves isnt this your 3rd or 4th offering?
12:07 benkay sell at the market price. that's the honest thing to do.
12:07 the20year Isn't that what it is?
12:08 the20year Our stock is based on USD, and that was the price of USD:BTC at the time of re-issuing
12:08 benkay stop.
12:08 fluffypony mike_c: sure, doesn't have to be peanuts tho - 1 BTC isn't a bad trade OTC
12:08 BingoBoingo the20year: That part where that river lit on fire in your state. The General shittiness of THE Ohio State University needing to emphasize the "THE", there are others
12:08 benkay it doesn't matter. you don't get to set a price for your freely traded paper.
12:09 the20year BingoBoingo: and those are economic factors because?
12:09 the20year If there's no demand for said paper, then there's no demand
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0072648 = 0.138 BTC [-]
12:09 ThickAsThieves !t h rent
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00726480 / 0.00747862 / 0.00750000 (209 shares, 1.56303120 BTC), 7D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749755 / 0.00750000 (1822 shares, 13.66053120 BTC), 30D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749981 / 0.00750000 (23119 shares, 173.38803120 BTC)
12:09 mrstickball BingoBoingo: so you're judging someone based on a university they are not affiliated with?
12:09 BingoBoingo the20year: Because maybe Ohio might decide to make the rivers flamable again? Maybe the whole state collapses into Earth's mantle after a football loss.
12:10 benkay yeah, you found some suckers. doesn't make what they're doing investing, doesn't make what you're doing not insane.
12:10 BingoBoingo mrstickball: No. I am judging their land tied rental business based on its location.
12:10 the20year And our fund isn't an investment because?
12:10 the20year Based on pollution problems from the 1960s and a college in the state
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.06474168 = 2.5897 BTC [-]
12:10 the20year Makes total sense
12:11 BingoBoingo Also, Brandon Phillips
12:11 benkay the20year: it's a reference to the difference between what happens on havelock and what investing actually is. reading comprehension ftw.
12:11 BingoBoingo And the movie Major League didn't exactly paint a flattering portrait of the state
12:11 the20year A movie?
12:15 BingoBoingo There are lots of reasons to doubt Ohio is going to last the next decade, much less the next century before it collapses into a North American Somalia.
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53593 @ 0.00098025 = 52.5345 BTC [+] {3}
12:19 mrstickball yeah, so that means everyone from Ohio is an idiot, and you should never do business with them, eh?
12:19 bitcoinpete gotta jet but ima leave this here:
12:19 bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/30/a-billion-doesnt-buy-respect/
12:19 ozbot A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete
12:19 bitcoinpete as per nba clippers dude
12:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
12:21 the20year is there a way to get a multi-day log from bitcoin-assets?
12:21 BingoBoingo mrstickball: When you have a venture tied to physical land, generally the idiots surrounding it affect the desirability of that land.
12:22 mrstickball I see, nice to know that you feel that way about 10 million people
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03399999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2}
12:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00098335 = 22.6731 BTC [+]
12:24 BingoBoingo !up mrstickball
12:24 assbot Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
12:24 BingoBoingo a fundamental right of persons is to dislike things, whether the things are chocolate, puppies, or locations
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
12:24 BingoBoingo Or other persons
12:25 mrstickball Sure, its a right. Doesn't make the view correct
12:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03282499 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {5}
12:26 the20year It's like that lady I was talking to on facebook last night who said gasonline prices are lower on average under Obama than the past administrations
12:26 ThickAsThieves sounds like a horrible conversation
12:27 the20year I'm pretty sure i lost IQ
12:27 the20year I even dug up the EIA weekly gasoline price report going back to 1990
12:27 BingoBoingo mrstickball: It's a judgment. Time reveals correctness. I judge Ohio to dangerous to have anything tied to its land.
12:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
12:28 mrstickball so you believe in 10 years, Ohio will be like Somalia? Willing to bet BTC on that?
12:28 the20year oooh, let's get a bitbet going
12:28 benkay the20year: wouldja share that EIA data?
12:28 the20year I'll put up 2btc
12:28 benkay bitbet only goes out 12 mos.
12:28 the20year http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/xls/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.xls
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2}
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0062041 = 0.6204 BTC [-] {4}
12:29 benkay of course it's not really 'gasoline' any more. 'corn oil', and subsidized at that.
12:30 the20year Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal
12:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 100 @ 0.14 = 14 BTC
12:32 BingoBoingo benkay: Worse than that. Corn Alcohol rendered undrinkable. That and it doesn't lubricate engine parts.
12:32 benkay right. corn alcohol, not oil.
12:33 kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VFopiRaXwQ
12:33 ozbot Dark Wallet Alpha - YouTube
12:33 kakobrekla lmao.
12:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02820001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2}
12:34 BingoBoingo http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5102455&cid=46879871
12:34 ozbot Bloomberg's Trading Terminals Now Providing Bitcoin Pricing - Slashdot
12:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02820001 = 0.141 BTC [-]
12:35 punkman "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014"
12:36 Apocalyptic kako, gotta love the Amir
12:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02820001 = 0.282 BTC [-]
12:36 kakobrekla video from http://www.wired.com/2014/04/dark-wallet/
12:37 ThickAsThieves gawd...
12:38 Apocalyptic punkman, not sure if serious or...
12:39 kakobrekla punkman you got that from here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COisLGwnb-M
12:40 punkman kakobrekla: http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1017866/darkmarket-the-silk-road-successor-police-cant-shut-down/
12:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
12:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03077777 = 0.277 BTC [+] {3}
12:43 thestringpuller Dark Wallet was conceived last summer by Wilson and Amir Taaki. << immediately stopped reading when I saw Taaki's name
12:43 thestringpuller for fucks sake
12:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.03180768 = 0.4135 BTC [+] {6}
12:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031 = 0.217 BTC [-] {4}
12:47 jurov for conception's sake
12:48 punkman Amit Avner, The veteran of Israeli Defense Force's elite intelligence and programming unit is a coding prodigy who started a search engine at age 14. does advertising to put brands in real-time social conversations for major brands like American Express, Paramount Studios, Pepsi and Samsung.
12:48 punkman this Forbes list has a lot of derp
12:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
12:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 53 @ 0.06474168 = 3.4313 BTC [-]
12:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00097815 = 1.6629 BTC [-]
12:57 jurov !up mjr_
12:57 assbot Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
12:57 jurov !up mius
12:57 assbot Voicing mius for 30 minutes.
12:57 jurov !up Dimsler
12:57 assbot Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
12:58 Dimsler yeah i left my btc wallet back home
12:58 Dimsler no gribble auth for me
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13:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
13:17 Naphex evening
13:18 asciilifeform from the circus:
13:18 asciilifeform http://chr13.com/2014/04/20/using-facebook-notes-to-ddos-any-website
13:18 ozbot Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog
13:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 162 @ 0.001 = 0.162 BTC
13:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC
13:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50454994 = 1.0091 BTC [-] {2}
13:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00097757 = 14.5658 BTC [-]
13:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00459 = 0.1652 BTC [-]
13:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 17 @ 0.006017 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {2}
13:32 ThickAsThieves http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/
13:32 ozbot Amsterdam, Bitcoin Conferences, Quantum Mining and the Future
13:32 mike_c ^ open market seems to disagree with 3po price
13:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50499989 = 1.01 BTC [+]
13:34 mike_c 9 paragraphs, 11 footnotes :) you guys.
13:34 ThickAsThieves just waiting for your footnote article!
13:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097705 = 8.6957 BTC [-]
13:37 mike_c tat you should live-ish blog, that would be interesting. and then you can capture some of those interesting conversations before they grow fuzzy in recollection.
13:37 fluffypony http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com/post/70257636397/im-crying-literally-crying-actual-tears-in-my
13:37 ozbot PHP Manual Masterpieces
13:42 ThickAsThieves i just might
13:44 BingoBoingo ;;later tell mircea_popescu Statements should be in your mailbox
13:44 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6906 @ 0.00012322 = 0.851 BTC [+] {11}
13:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 831 @ 0.00012729 = 0.1058 BTC [+]
13:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00097705 = 31.6564 BTC [-]
13:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.02883412 = 1.1822 BTC [-] {15}
13:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07477643 = 1.1964 BTC [+] {5}
13:53 bounce where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable though requires something of a revamp, so probably yet another altcoin
13:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 644 @ 0.00451278 = 2.9062 BTC [-] {11}
13:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.0043548 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {5}
13:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0741 = 1.0374 BTC [-]
14:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]
14:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0336 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0334999 = 0.134 BTC [-]
14:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07386034 = 0.8863 BTC [-] {2}
14:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31065 @ 0.00097676 = 30.343 BTC [-] {2}
14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35635 @ 0.00097328 = 34.6828 BTC [-] {5}
14:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07499989 = 0.75 BTC [+]
14:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07499989 = 0.225 BTC [+]
14:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07101492 = 0.142 BTC [-]
14:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
14:16 benkay for teh lols, it takes > a minute to generate 4096 bit keypair on a cutting edge iOS device
14:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10710 @ 0.00097931 = 10.4884 BTC [+] {2}
14:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0300001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
14:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00739958 = 0.2072 BTC [+]
14:25 Apocalyptic I wouldn't generate any kind of key on such device
14:25 Apocalyptic unless it's "for teh lols"
14:28 cgcardona_ top of tha mornin #bitcoin-assets o/
14:28 fluffypony benkay: presumably due to lack of entropy not due to it being tough to crunch?
14:28 benkay fluffypony: i'd assume.
14:28 fluffypony "move the mouse to generate entropy"
14:28 fluffypony :-P
14:29 fluffypony oh Bob Hoskins died :(
14:29 benkay Apocalyptic: it's an adequate solution.
14:30 ThickAsThieves http://www.cnet.com/news/yelp-now-lists-businesses-that-accept-bitcoin/
14:30 ozbot Yelp now lists businesses that accept Bitcoin - CNET
14:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097943 = 8.7169 BTC [+]
14:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0309999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {6}
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0741 = 0.5187 BTC [+]
14:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07011241 = 6.0297 BTC [-] {5}
14:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50969968 = 1.0194 BTC [+]
14:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50969986 = 1.5291 BTC [+] {2}
14:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097 BTC [+]
15:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00097943 = 20.9598 BTC [+]
15:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 3.20000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 8000 satoshi per share
15:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00098139 = 16.7818 BTC [+] {3}
15:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48320571 = 4.8321 BTC [-] {7}
15:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07406305 = 0.1481 BTC [+]
15:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48264098 = 4.8264 BTC [-] {8}
15:25 BingoBoingo http://deadspin.com/fsu-basketball-player-explains-why-jameis-winston-alleg-1569838996
15:25 ozbot FSU Athlete Explains Why Jameis Winston Allegedly Stole Food
15:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [+]
15:31 ThickAsThieves "The jury is deliberating in the lawsuit between Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) and Samsung, but their decision is modified and perhaps complicated by the fact that any damages awarded to Apple will be paid not by the Korean copycat, but by Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG). Google, the creator of the Android platform, agreed to absorb a portion, or the entirety, Samsung’s losses (if any) and court
15:31 ThickAsThieves costs because the infringed patents relate to the Mountain View firm’s software, and not Samsung’s hardware. "
15:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
15:40 BingoBoingo !up Mats_cd03
15:40 assbot Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
15:40 BingoBoingo !up daybyter
15:40 assbot Voicing daybyter for 30 minutes.
15:41 BingoBoingo !up jorash
15:41 assbot Voicing jorash for 30 minutes.
15:41 daybyter hi!
15:41 BingoBoingo !up ericmuyser
15:41 assbot Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
15:41 BingoBoingo Hello
15:41 BingoBoingo !up akstunt600
15:41 assbot Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
15:42 akstunt600 Thanks
15:42 BingoBoingo You are welcome
15:42 akstunt600 hey looking for a good c developer
15:42 akstunt600 i have a new coin with a very cool new concept i would like to implement
15:43 daybyter C....not java...everybody hates java... :-(
15:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00097943 = 5.093 BTC [-]
15:43 akstunt600 yeah lol, java scares me anymore. Such a shame ecause i supported Java devs for years as a systems admin
15:43 akstunt600 and ASE
15:44 akstunt600 i think javav clients and wallets scare many miners/investors
15:44 BingoBoingo Yeah.
15:44 daybyter I write all my trading code in java...
15:44 BingoBoingo Local java can be workable for some uses, but... Even then usually there are better options.
15:45 Naphex java is a good tool
15:45 Naphex great if you know how to use it, when and where
15:45 thestringpuller java is a terrible tool
15:45 * daybyter hugs Naphex
15:46 thestringpuller Lemme run VMs in a vm so you can vm
15:46 BingoBoingo The whole having a Giant API layer to run some "portable" code is a turn off.
15:46 thestringpuller Additionally why must java take so much memory?
15:46 Naphex you can have that api layer as clean as you want
15:46 Naphex its just a jar
15:46 BingoBoingo Sure, but the runtime...
15:46 thestringpuller You'd think the garbage collection would be more efficient than someone manually allocating memory.
15:46 daybyter I run my code on my 256MB smartphone...
15:47 Naphex thestringpuller: not that many problems with gc if you don't trash like an asshole
15:47 daybyter and a bot on a 512MB vps.
15:47 Naphex you're suposed to do quality code
15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12680 @ 0.00097943 = 12.4192 BTC [-]
15:47 Naphex don't trash, and you won't have gc problems
15:47 daybyter the same code.
15:47 thestringpuller Naphex: such an idealist...
15:47 punkman can't even browse interesting Java code without a damn IDE, all those damn subdirectories
15:48 thestringpuller because when we set a pointer to null it'll be gc'ed in the next cycle
15:48 thestringpuller ~_~
15:48 thestringpuller jesus
15:48 Naphex oh man
15:48 Naphex you guys should see enterprise software
15:48 Naphex it's huge.
15:49 punkman rly?
15:49 Naphex like public transportation dispatches
15:49 Naphex at that point having IDE's with autocomplete, context lookup and refactoring
15:49 Naphex is a blessing
15:49 daybyter good trading software is also big...
15:49 thestringpuller Naphex: i used to work for a payment processor who wrote the entire webapp in java
15:50 thestringpuller some like 2000 useless files
15:50 Naphex i wouldn't do webapp dev in java tough
15:50 Naphex and servlets and ee sucks ass
15:50 thestringpuller oracle database with tables with 300+ columns
15:50 Naphex standalone java, ftw, and backends and such
15:50 Naphex i'd rather do scalable server backends, with nio in java then anything other
15:50 midnightmagic thestringpuller: hah sounds like qpass
15:50 ThickAsThieves ;;gettrust jorash
15:50 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never
15:51 Naphex boost c++ / python(or the realtime variants) / whatever
15:51 daybyter you want to work on java code?
15:51 daybyter server included?
15:51 Naphex you have static code, very good nio stack, and nice threading
15:51 Naphex nah - i'm full
15:51 daybyter oh... :-(
15:51 ThickAsThieves ;;rate jorash 1 Not afraid of criticism. Thank you.
15:51 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
15:51 ThickAsThieves ah
15:52 BingoBoingo lol
15:52 ThickAsThieves well at least you all see it
15:52 Naphex i wouldn't do GUI/servlets/ or webdev in java
15:52 Naphex so yeah
15:52 daybyter the bot can create a web UI for server mode.
15:52 daybyter it's an exchange then.
15:53 daybyter but still needs a lot of work...
15:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3310 @ 0.00097943 = 3.2419 BTC [-]
15:53 thestringpuller lol boost c++
15:53 thestringpuller game devs love that one
15:53 Naphex so do bitcoin devs
15:54 akstunt600 lol @ garbage collection issues, iits atrocious still
15:54 akstunt600 i like boost c++ i can even contribute in it. i mean i have already made the base for this new coin
15:55 akstunt600 I have never actually done more than the basic tuts in eclipse for c++
15:55 Mats_cd03 heyooooo
15:55 Naphex boost c++ == java runtime for C++ :)
15:55 akstunt600 Thanks
15:55 Mats_cd03 just had a dericious popover
15:55 akstunt600 i feel dumb now
15:55 akstunt600 mmmm popovers
15:56 akstunt600 yeah i saw alot of semblance between the two
15:56 Naphex plus i'd also wager that java profiling/analyzing/debugging tools are some of the best around
15:57 daybyter I just use some simple SYstem.out.println...
15:57 daybyter I hate eclipse...
16:00 Naphex daybyter: try intelij maybe, or not an ide :]
16:00 daybyter I'm happy with emacs...
16:00 daybyter and my ant build files.
16:00 Apocalyptic should use vim
16:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10390 @ 0.00097598 = 10.1404 BTC [-]
16:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0300001 = 0.15 BTC [-]
16:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.00710059 = 0.2201 BTC [-] {3}
16:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+]
16:04 akstunt600 I love VIM i used eclipse ages ago
16:04 akstunt600 Vim is much more my style
16:04 akstunt600 :-)
16:05 akstunt600 just nice syntax highlisting and able to search and replace quickly
16:05 akstunt600 I used diff and cime to make this new base coin
16:05 akstunt600 Not sure i want it to be pow/pos after readin up more on it and gettin a bit more intamate
16:06 akstunt600 However POSv is intriguin the velocity of money is a great idea
16:08 ThickAsThieves my recent blog post has been softened a bit to be a little less bitcoinpete-y about the quantum mining guys
16:08 * ThickAsThieves has a heart.
16:09 fluffypony bravery level = so
16:09 fluffypony or
16:09 fluffypony altruism level = so
16:11 ThickAsThieves well if i'm gonna be writing blog posts about people i better make sure i put myself in their shoes, since i'm more likely to be wearing them at some point
16:11 mike_c outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema)
16:11 ThickAsThieves well even mircea has a code
16:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0739 = 0.2217 BTC [-]
16:13 BingoBoingo !up Mats_cd03
16:13 assbot Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
16:15 FabianB ;;ticker --all
16:15 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
16:15 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --marker all
16:15 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
16:15 BingoBoingo ;;more
16:15 FabianB ;;ticker --market all
16:15 gribble the code is a valid currency on your target market. Default currency is USD.
16:15 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.56, vol: 10740.77264368 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 440.974, vol: 7166.42317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.95000001, vol: 7354.70049941 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 442.71, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.630074, vol: 4064.44780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 451.84808, vol: 5.76850587 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 454.83009, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
16:15 BingoBoingo ;;more
16:15 gribble Error: That's all, there is no more.
16:16 FabianB ;;more
16:16 gribble average: 445.917849754
16:16 FabianB hmm
16:16 ThickAsThieves ;;less
16:16 gribble Error: "less" is not a valid command.
16:17 fluffypony ;;plenty
16:17 gribble Error: "plenty" is not a valid command.
16:17 fluffypony well fine
16:17 FabianB ;;ticker --market all --currency eur
16:18 gribble Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 323.41176, vol: 10740.78072368 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 321.05028, vol: 122.88625 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 319.19391, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 321.456384, vol: 4063.02780000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 323.9393, vol: 761.77418746 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 327.9, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last average: 322.925581931
16:18 mike_c so who is fucking with ATC? mined like crazy until diff change, then they all shut off. stupid pool hoppers.
16:19 fluffypony bastards
16:19 fluffypony heartless, ruthless bastards
16:19 fluffypony messing with our dreams
16:19 FabianB is it on any of the switchpools?
16:19 BingoBoingo mike_c: That happened a way back
16:19 mike_c it just happened.
16:19 ThickAsThieves there has always been a bit of a pattern like that with atc
16:20 BingoBoingo Really?
16:20 mike_c last diff change was like 200%, next diff change projected at -67%
16:20 ThickAsThieves yeah, ive seen several times where it starts -% prediction then ends up +
16:20 BingoBoingo mike_c: Last diff change was quite a while ago wasn't it?
16:20 ThickAsThieves like people mining only at the tail end of the period or some shit
16:20 mike_c no, few days ago
16:21 fluffypony "I agree, confidentiality agreements are not the funnest situations"
16:21 ThickAsThieves it's funny considering the price has gone up
16:21 fluffypony funnest
16:21 fluffypony he said funnest
16:21 mike_c BingoBoingo: april 27 i believe.
16:23 fluffypony ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like everyone's trolling on the forum worked - "We have decided to re-structure Seedcoin Fund 2 to make it more attractive to potential investors and to re-launch the offering in the near future. All current SF2 investors will be refunded and invited to join the future offering."
16:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:24 mike_c atc diff from blockr. note recent huge spike. http://i.imgur.com/PqdZp0B.png
16:24 ThickAsThieves or was it "we have realized aint no one gonna buy this, back to the drawing board!"
16:24 mike_c almost all that hash power seems to be gone now.
16:24 ThickAsThieves someone is trying to kill Altcoin!
16:24 ThickAsThieves bring back teh whalez
16:25 mike_c indeed. I wonder what it would cost to rent some miner's hashpower to smooth out the bumps.
16:25 thestringpuller %hash
16:25 thestringpuller ugh whats teh command mod6
16:25 mike_c %diff
16:25 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149792.42 in 1834 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.10
16:25 ThickAsThieves like i mentioned in romania, i was considering sponsoring some miners
16:26 mike_c did you make any inquiries?
16:26 ThickAsThieves but mircea was right, as usual, the best way to support them is by buying ATCs
16:26 ThickAsThieves so i did and will continue to
16:26 thestringpuller i imagine ATC will become extremely useful in lieu of the testnet
16:28 mike_c well, price support is nice. but it seems that can lead to what just happened. that is, it gets profitable and so a huge flood of hash hits the network, profit is taken, and hash leaves.
16:28 mike_c now the only way to attract would be to make it profitable at the new difficulty level, which is way too high
16:29 mike_c and could result in the same problem happenning again
16:29 mike_c so having some TH/s in your back pocket to smooth out these kind of bumps still seems like a good idea.
16:31 mod6 thestringpuller: and remember there is always %help
16:31 atcbot %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate
16:31 mike_c hands-off management might not be the answer here :)
16:31 mod6 on the next restart, some of those commands will be smaller: %last_block becomes %lb, etc.
16:31 atcbot [ATC Last Block] Height: 30422 Time: 2014-04-30T19:37:51Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000002498569861e6b76cafa903d6e235cf337d8da3d4d7a8d224eceb Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 518 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
16:31 mod6 oop, lol
16:32 mike_c mod6: and it will only check for commands at start of line?
16:33 mod6 yeah, i can add that too.
16:33 BingoBoingo %atc_mined
16:33 atcbot [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15575552 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.80
16:33 ThickAsThieves mike_c well i'm down to help
16:33 ThickAsThieves if we can think of a sound way to do it
16:34 ThickAsThieves i wish to maintain my promise to never mine any
16:34 ThickAsThieves but that doesnt mean i wont donate to someone else providing hash security for the network
16:34 BingoBoingo With only just under 6% mined, I dunno if advancing difficulty supposed price is the right approach.
16:35 mike_c well, mining is a PITA. I would be interested to know what it would cost to get an option from some miners where they would agree to put some hashes on ATC when we want in the amounts we want.
16:36 mike_c i'd also like to hear more from mircea_popescu if he thinks this is a bad idea.
16:36 ThickAsThieves maybe we start the Altcoin Foundation
16:36 mike_c lol
16:36 ThickAsThieves except we actually do stuff for the health of the coin n stuff
16:37 mike_c yes. can i be an amber member? platinum is so 2013.
16:38 ThickAsThieves i think stan might be good at designing membership levels
16:39 ThickAsThieves Patron of the Motherland
16:39 ThickAsThieves or somesuch
16:43 fluffypony is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo?
16:43 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Yes
16:43 fluffypony ok
16:43 fluffypony in terms of multi-pools
16:43 fluffypony why not look at something like KGW or DigiShield?
16:43 fluffypony they're both half a dozen of one, six of another
16:44 fluffypony but they prevent multipools from taking advantage much
16:48 mike_c one of the nice things about altcoin is that is bitcoin in disguise.
16:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03350004 = 0.67 BTC [+] {5}
16:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.03295674 = 2.0433 BTC [-] {14}
16:52 fluffypony mike_c: which is fine when you have 57ph/s network wide, but when you have a significantly small distribution it's easy to manipulat
16:52 fluffypony *manipulate
16:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03095223 = 0.6809 BTC [+] {8}
16:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00097356 = 9.3949 BTC [-] {2}
16:53 fluffypony so whilst doing the whole "Bitcoin in disguise" thing is humorous, if the aim is to prevent multipools or someone with a wack of hashing power abusing it (and thus making it even more useless/pointless) then there are solutions to that
16:53 BingoBoingo http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/30/1822209/openssh-no-longer-has-to-depend-on-openssl
16:53 ozbot OpenSSH No Longer Has To Depend On OpenSSL - Slashdot
16:54 mike_c yes, well, i'd rather pay a miner 0.2 btc to let us down gently from this difficulty bump instead of completely change the coin.
16:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03200199 = 0.16 BTC [-] {3}
16:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03208333 = 0.1925 BTC [+] {6}
16:56 fluffypony how is adding a more rapid difficulty adjustment "completely" changing the coin?
16:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0325 = 0.26 BTC [+] {8}
16:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032375 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {2}
16:56 fluffypony I'd argue that Satoshi was optimistic in his difficulty adjustment timeframe
16:56 mod6 ok quick atcbot restart here.
16:57 ThickAsThieves well we aint gonna change the diff adjustment time now
16:57 ThickAsThieves it was chosen arbitrarily intentionally dammit!
16:58 fluffypony lol
16:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.033125 = 0.1325 BTC [+] {4}
16:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.0339615 = 0.4415 BTC [+] {11}
17:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0345 = 0.276 BTC [+] {5}
17:00 mod6 blah blah blah %h
17:00 mod6 %h
17:00 atcbot %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
17:01 fluffypony good job mod6
17:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.03023557 = 1.028 BTC [-] {8}
17:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02968047 = 0.6233 BTC [-] {5}
17:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0345 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {4}
17:02 mod6 thx fluffypony
17:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03477777 = 0.313 BTC [+] {2}
17:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0355 = 0.1775 BTC [+]
17:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.0372836 = 1.3422 BTC [+] {9}
17:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00097598 = 12.151 BTC [+]
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6281 @ 0.00097917 = 6.1502 BTC [+]
17:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0359 = 0.1436 BTC [-]
17:09 BingoBoingo I'm kind of wondering... Spz someone wanted to buy an SHA-256 ASIC for AltCoin... Where the fuck would they even buy one?
17:09 fluffypony BingoBoingo: Spondoolies
17:11 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Do they actually deliver?
17:12 fluffypony BingoBoingo: seems so
17:12 BingoBoingo I dun think seems so is good enough for mining hardware.
17:13 fluffypony what I mean is
17:13 fluffypony I haven't got one in my hands
17:13 fluffypony :-P
17:15 rithm go away assbot you are drunk
17:16 rithm !down danilepbarron
17:16 rithm !down danielpbarron
17:16 assbot rithm, you can't do that to danielpbarron.
17:16 rithm why not assbot
17:16 rithm you suck
17:17 mike_c BingoBoingo: how much hash you looking to get?
17:17 danielpbarron ??
17:17 mike_c or, 'someone'
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5036 @ 0.00097889 = 4.9297 BTC [-]
17:18 BingoBoingo mike_c: I'm not actually looking to hash, but I am supposing if someone actually wanted hash... Who sells hash.
17:18 benkay should be able to purchase hashes on one of the hash exchanges
17:18 benkay ghash.io?
17:18 danielpbarron !down rithm
17:18 assbot danielpbarron, you can't do that to rithm.
17:19 benkay nope.
17:19 danielpbarron lol
17:19 BingoBoingo benkay: Nah, I mean actual physical hardware.
17:19 rithm would it be terrible if you couldn't get voiced in her danielpbarron
17:19 mike_c these guys actually deliver quickly (like couple biz days): http://www.112bit.com/product/antminer-s1-dual-blade/
17:19 danielpbarron rithm: no
17:20 danielpbarron rithm: i mostly read in here; my opinion barely matters at my stage in the game
17:20 rithm i just listen now because assbot
17:20 rithm assbot broke my spirit and ruined bitcorn
17:21 BingoBoingo mike_c: That... actually doesn't seem bad.
17:22 mike_c yeah. there are a few "companies" doing bitmain reselling in US. that guy (112bit) has been doing it for awhile.
17:23 mike_c pay the money, few days later a dusty box shows up from china.
17:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [+] {2}
17:24 BingoBoingo Maybe I haven't heard of them because there hasn't been a big fuss over "scam"
17:24 fluffypony AntMiner has an extremely positive perception
17:25 mike_c 112bit's thread: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/antminer-s1-u-s-868-u2-x-500-u-s-8550-bitmain-for-usa-112bit-com.255811/
17:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48202011 BTC [-]
17:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48200011 BTC [-]
17:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.00577117 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {5}
17:43 danielpbarron has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? There is a way to verify that a GPG key is associated with a twitter profile; #bitcoin-otc could be replaced with a twitter hashtag
17:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.00565049 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {2}
17:44 fluffypony yes, keybase.io
17:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.029555 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {3}
17:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
17:44 danielpbarron right, that's what i'm referring to
17:44 danielpbarron what I mean is: give gribble a twitter account
17:45 asciilifeform keybase.io << the scambase that wants your priv key, right
17:45 danielpbarron you don't have to use keybase to do what i'm suggesting
17:45 danielpbarron the concept can be done independantly
17:45 fluffypony asciilifeform: apparently you can use it with pubkeys only
17:45 fluffypony so I'm told
17:45 danielpbarron you can
17:46 asciilifeform how keybase can be trusted to do anything at all, is beyond me
17:47 danielpbarron lol so don't trust keybase; you can still GPG sign a data object describing your association with a twitter profile and then calculate a hash of that signature and tweet it
17:47 asciilifeform or sign a message 'account xxx is mine'
17:47 danielpbarron w/e
17:48 asciilifeform of course, later account is taken over by spammers, whoever
17:48 danielpbarron it would help to have a standard, whatever it is, so that the WoT twitter bot could scan for the verification tweets for the purpose of authing users
17:48 danielpbarron you could issue a twitter revocation message
17:48 danielpbarron your GPG key wouldn't be compromised
17:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00097806 = 22.6421 BTC [-] {2}
17:49 danielpbarron there could be more than one WoT twitter bot, too (is this getting close to a decentralized WoT; just brainstorming here)
17:51 punkman nonsense
17:51 pankkake if only namecoin didn't solve all that already
17:51 pankkake perhaps it should have been called namecoin.io
17:51 fluffypony nameco.in ?
17:51 danielpbarron that would be cool too; i've been a fan of Namecoin for a while now
17:52 fluffypony domain hacks are all the rage
17:52 danielpbarron or was that sarcasm?
17:52 punkman isn't there one like keybase that works on namecoin?
17:52 pankkake https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake
17:52 ozbot NameID: Your Crypto-OpenID
17:52 pankkake except I didn't have to give my private key to anyone
17:53 pankkake and (omg) it's decentralized
17:53 danielpbarron why does everyone keep saying "give private key to someone" << I never suggested doing that!
17:54 danielpbarron and cool, i'm going to update my id/ to make it work on that site
17:54 danielpbarron i had already reserved id/dpb :D
17:54 pankkake :)
17:54 punkman how big is the namecoin blockchain now?
17:55 pankkake 1.8G
17:58 BingoBoingo !up Dimsler
17:58 assbot Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
17:59 BingoBoingo !up dR3
17:59 assbot Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.
17:59 BingoBoingo !up navhul-lacsup
17:59 assbot Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
18:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18069 @ 0.00097917 = 17.6926 BTC [+]
18:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00097931 = 10.8654 BTC [+] {2}
18:15 BingoBoingo http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/03/25/phoenix-mickey-pit-bull-fate/6879191/
18:15 ozbot Phoenix judge spares controversial pit bull's life
18:15 mircea_popescu ooo look at all the blinking lights
18:18 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no, not just that. plenty of things.
18:19 mircea_popescu fluffypony that was unexpected
18:20 fluffypony mircea_popescu: ikr
18:21 mircea_popescu myeah.
18:22 BigBitz mircea_popescu !
18:22 BigBitz Where is my assbot trust!
18:23 ThickAsThieves assbot trusts no one
18:23 BigBitz DATTRUST.
18:24 mircea_popescu lol
18:24 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot BigBitz
18:24 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
18:24 mircea_popescu there it is.
18:24 BigBitz pesky assbot!
18:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 61 @ 0.06474168 = 3.9492 BTC [-]
18:24 ThickAsThieves http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/elizabeth-raine_n_5227509.html
18:24 ozbot Med Student Elizabeth Raine Auctioning Virginity Faces Critics
18:25 fluffypony BigBitz you've had L2 since forever
18:25 BigBitz fluffypony dat L2.
18:25 BigBitz ;;rated fluffypony
18:25 gribble You rated user fluffypony on Mon Apr 14 15:08:15 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: PPUSD for BTC. Smoooooth sailing..
18:25 fluffypony forrizzle
18:25 ThickAsThieves such photoshopping
18:25 mircea_popescu BigBitz id with gribble pm assbot !up
18:25 BigBitz <3
18:25 fluffypony <5
18:25 BigBitz mircea_popescu I did :P
18:25 BigBitz I am +v
18:25 mircea_popescu a ok wd.
18:25 BigBitz ty ty
18:25 ThickAsThieves "In order to circumvent U.S. laws prohibiting prostitution, Raine said the actual sex experience will take place in Australia, where it is legal."
18:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48140201 = 4.814 BTC [-] {7}
18:26 fluffypony [00:25:28] <CampJustice> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ - Much better than being in that channel
18:26 fluffypony now he'll be famous
18:26 BigBitz Pick up hooker. Go to Australia. Done.
18:26 mircea_popescu lol he has a point.
18:27 asciilifeform there's a 'fetish component'
18:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0340001 = 0.34 BTC [-]
18:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00097238 = 6.2592 BTC [-]
18:27 asciilifeform some folks pay extra $5k+ for new car, vs. one driven off the lot once
18:27 asciilifeform same idea
18:28 ThickAsThieves does it include proof of hymen?
18:28 asciilifeform damned if i know, ask the client.
18:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0729008 = 0.3645 BTC [-]
18:29 ThickAsThieves meh
18:29 mircea_popescu actulaly some do.
18:29 mircea_popescu plenty of countries around the world you can get a virginity cert off any gp.
18:29 asciilifeform in same countries, also get stitching op
18:29 ThickAsThieves maybe she has butt sex daily
18:30 asciilifeform 'amazing business idea', ye read it here phurst,
18:30 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
18:30 asciilifeform antibody-based test.
18:30 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i knew chicks like that. "saving themselves for marriage". kinda pervy imo
18:30 asciilifeform would almost certainly give solid proof that fucked or sucked sans rubber
18:31 ThickAsThieves my first gf was such
18:31 asciilifeform as far as perversions go, this one is quite popular.
18:32 ThickAsThieves all these claims of virginity, then one day "Hey did you know Mikey put it in her pooper?"
18:32 asciilifeform perhaps also for reasons that no one particularly likes to discuss
18:32 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves "honey, all that trouble i went to so you could have a bloodied pecker and make me hurt... show some appreciaiton."
18:33 ThickAsThieves well we never screwed, that event kinda wrecked things over time
18:33 ThickAsThieves my friends enjoyed giving me shit about it
18:33 ThickAsThieves she was ostracized basically
18:33 mircea_popescu hey, what was btc-e's first altcoin scam thing called ? i forget, was it novacoin ?
18:33 ThickAsThieves yes
18:33 mircea_popescu aty
18:34 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight.
18:35 asciilifeform 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by inch'
18:36 JorgePasada I'm assuming the general opinion in this channel is that most of the altcoins are just pump and dump schemes
18:36 fluffypony JorgePasada: there are some altcoins I quite fancy
18:36 fluffypony but pankkake hates altcoins
18:36 asciilifeform it is theoretically possible to have an interesting alt
18:36 fluffypony he thinks they are the very scorn of the earth
18:36 JorgePasada fluffypony: which ones and why?
18:37 asciilifeform but s/bitcoin/turdcoin isn't interesting
18:37 mircea_popescu JorgePasada seems a safe bet.
18:38 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves:is bitcoin money? yes is it property? yes << and who the fuck would accept such laws ?
18:38 mircea_popescu or are we of the persuasion now that laws need just be made, and teh populace will just swallow whatever they happen to be /
18:39 fluffypony JorgePasada: I like VertCoin because it keeps my GPU frames in business; I'm peripherally interested in PPC because of PoS; I think X11 based coins like Darkcoin are playing with some interesting concepts, and I am VERY interested in (the new) Bytecoin's ring signatures (although I prefer Monero as it's Bytecoin's code but without the dodgy premine/possibly faked blockchain data)
18:39 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight. /// lol it was obv much more complicated than that, i was a teenager!
18:40 asciilifeform because of PoS << piece of shit? point of sale?
18:40 mircea_popescu hehe. peer pressure ftw.
18:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Did you receive the latest trading statement?
18:40 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
18:40 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.39072182 BTC
18:40 ThickAsThieves i ended up ditching the peers too
18:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yea
18:40 fluffypony asciilifeform: proof of stake...they haven't gotten the implementation anywhere close to useful, but I think the idea is interesting
18:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Proof of Shit
18:40 mircea_popescu holy shit it nearly made 1%
18:40 mircea_popescu fluffypony explain the idea to me.
18:40 asciilifeform proof of stake? Țepeșcoin!
18:41 ThickAsThieves kobecoin
18:41 mircea_popescu lol tepescoin
18:41 JorgePasada Anyone from here going to the thing in Amsterdam?
18:41 mircea_popescu kakobrekla am i correct in assuming panacea s.mpif investment is 50.0 may 1st ?
18:41 kakobrekla correct
18:41 mircea_popescu ty
18:41 JorgePasada Also, I think proof of stake is interesting in theory
18:42 mircea_popescu so that's everyone then, i will be publishing the f.mpif 1st statement tonight.
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18:42 * fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't know it in enough detail to tl;dr, so this'll have to do - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake
18:42 fluffypony goddamn /me
18:42 JorgePasada the problem is I have yet to see a good way of implementing it that handles both the technical AND social aspects of implementation
18:42 mircea_popescu fluffypony but that was my point. if you think something's interesting you gotta be able to explain it :)
18:42 fluffypony JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves is going to it
18:42 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I know, it's on my "stuff to understand" list
18:42 asciilifeform i understand how 'proof of stake' works. but not wtf is the point.
18:42 mircea_popescu no rush.
18:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform idem.
18:43 JorgePasada ThickAsThieves: wanna grab a beer in Amsterdam?
18:43 fluffypony asciilifeform: presumably once I understand the "how" I may come to the same conlusion
18:43 asciilifeform it seems to reduce to 'mining wastes energy so let's have central banks'
18:44 asciilifeform which, in turn, reduces to 'just let me conjure up all the coin and parcel it out to the lot of you idiots'
18:44 mircea_popescu http://www.wired.com/2014/04/bitcoin_beer/
18:44 ozbot Ohio Bans Buying Booze With Bitcoin | Enterprise | WIRED
18:45 BingoBoingo ^^ the20year mrstickball
18:45 mircea_popescu ohio is like, figthing wisconsin to the death in this derpiest state competition
18:45 BingoBoingo It has been for most of its history.
18:45 mircea_popescu that apparently only they know about.
18:45 BingoBoingo Only thin Ohio as produced are astronauts, people so traumatized by Ohio they had to leave this world.
18:46 mircea_popescu mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.
18:46 joecool well it's not like ohio's a very appealing place to go
18:46 mircea_popescu anyway, mike_c, whai harsh yo usay ?
18:46 joecool unless you're a sex offender
18:46 mircea_popescu joecool judging by the property values, it's somewhere between kenya and utah
18:47 joecool typical ohio resident https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2472256766/Picture_2.png
18:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07230433 = 0.7953 BTC [-] {2}
18:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03324094 = 0.6981 BTC [-] {4}
18:47 asciilifeform the way i understand it, high property values stopped being a proxy for 'nice place to live' sometime around when 'programmer' became a profession.
18:47 mircea_popescu mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there << I lolled. because cum ROI is lolzy.
18:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform now that's also a valid point.
18:48 mircea_popescu mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism) << dude that's fucken epic. wow. such wow.
18:48 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you see nthat shit ?!
18:48 BingoBoingo http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/29/us_commando_mission_in_philippines_getting_overhaul
18:48 ozbot U.S. Commando Mission in Philippines Getting Overhaul
18:49 kakobrekla yes its amazing
18:49 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
18:49 mircea_popescu me ♥ mike
18:50 fluffypony mircea_popescu: next thing you'll be using emoji in chan
18:51 mircea_popescu i'm a grown man, i'm not affraid to hug a pokemon
18:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03099908 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}
18:51 mircea_popescu especially if it's a cute girl with nice tits.
18:51 asciilifeform ☭.
18:52 fluffypony 🇮🇹
18:52 ThickAsThieves JorgePosada, but like, who are you?
18:52 asciilifeform fluffypony: that came out a hex turd here.
18:53 fluffypony asciilifeform: what a waste of an Italian flag
18:53 mircea_popescu fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one << start them in scotland, make every logics professor happy.
18:53 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I nearly said as much a few lines late;)
18:54 ThickAsThieves JorgePasada*, but like, who are you?
18:54 mircea_popescu fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader" << does this guy aspire to overtake Dr. Foreskin ?
18:54 JorgePasada ThickAsThieves: I'm just some guy, who does things. :-)
18:54 mircea_popescu what is with these fuckwits! it's like an entire new circle of strange broke last year, the "thoughht leaders"
18:55 JorgePasada ThickAsThieves: benkay introduced me to this place, know him from meetups/trading locally
18:55 fluffypony mircea_popescu: we should ALL become thought leaders...it could be the criteria for us each running our own One True UK Bitcoin Exchange
18:56 asciilifeform shards of the true cross.
18:56 mircea_popescu the20year: Not here at least it seems << dude you're becoming an exercise in squandered youth. shoulda gotten in the wot like you know, 6 months ago or w/e.
18:58 ThickAsThieves word
18:58 ThickAsThieves just making sure you arent some kinda crazy
18:58 mircea_popescu fluffypony i'll just be a thought follower.
18:58 mircea_popescu everyone wants to fucking push the rope.
18:59 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ok-glass-how-much-do-you-really-cost/
18:59 ThickAsThieves mp i think the20year is in the wot no?
18:59 ThickAsThieves just no one will rate him?
18:59 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I'm a poop leader, yo
19:00 mircea_popescu so you're a fart ?
19:00 fluffypony entreprefart
19:00 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> everyone wants to fucking push the rope. << It's how one shoots self with a Bow.
19:00 fluffypony entreprefeurt
19:00 mircea_popescu i guess so huh.
19:03 fluffypony "They link to a google doc on their website (which is where I pointed you to on my previous post). It's an example of putting in effort on transparency."
19:03 fluffypony I see
19:03 fluffypony a Google Doc = transparency
19:03 mircea_popescu first ever transparency.
19:05 fluffypony HAH HAH
19:05 fluffypony from _mr_e
19:05 fluffypony "I still haven't gotten dick all, other then a lower share price and a huge missed opportunity on GoCoin, from seedcoin1. Fuck this."
19:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude why all the ohio hate
19:11 mircea_popescu one of the better cocksuckers i know used to live there pre-rescue.
19:12 mircea_popescu punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014" << how the fuck's that kid an entrepreneur lol
19:12 mircea_popescu thought leader, i can see.
19:12 fluffypony assbot needs to be like"THOUGHT LEADER!"
19:13 fluffypony every time someone says thought
19:13 joecool mircea_popescu: bro he's been starting companies since before it was cool
19:13 mircea_popescu fluffypony or leader.
19:14 mircea_popescu joecool like which ?
19:14 mircea_popescu polimedia was started 2007. got an amir reg from prior ?
19:14 BingoBoingo Well... I've never found anything about the place pleasant. Doesn't preclude the occasional gem from coming out of there, but it's enough to judge the location.
19:14 fluffypony mircea_popescu: agreed
19:14 joecool mircea_popescu: no clue, they are all likely hard to remember names
19:14 fluffypony someone pitch it to kako
19:14 mircea_popescu aok
19:14 joecool mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the past decade or so, everyone sets up an LLC for something, and 99% of them fail or do nothing
19:14 joecool it's the hipster way™
19:16 BingoBoingo I mean Arkansas has a state park where the reason to go is diamonds, often of gem quality, literally lay on the ground. Yet people don't go flood Arkansas trying to get to that one attraction.
19:17 mircea_popescu joecool that may be true, except, it's not his case.
19:17 mircea_popescu my argument here is that he fails to meet even the lowest common denominator.
19:17 mircea_popescu !up napedia
19:17 assbot Voicing napedia for 30 minutes.
19:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349989 = 0.105 BTC [+]
19:18 joecool BingoBoingo: it involves effort and luck, some people do spent tons of time there
19:18 mircea_popescu i think i probably formed more llcs than anyone in bitcoin has had sex partners, and probably in more jurisdictions than these folks have travelled.
19:18 mircea_popescu nevertheless...
19:18 joecool BingoBoingo: there was a woman that found the only perfect natural diamond ever recorded a few years back, she's likely still diggin away
19:18 mircea_popescu the curse of success.
19:18 mircea_popescu you end up trying to replicate it.
19:19 BingoBoingo joecool: Sure some people spend tons of time there, but some people also buy groceries for sweepstakes entries.
19:19 fluffypony bed time noa, night guys
19:19 mircea_popescu this guy sleeps too much dioesn't he
19:19 mircea_popescu every night, too.
19:20 BingoBoingo Srsly
19:20 Naphex well, better sleep then stay all night optimizing dumdum raid arrays with ssd's
19:20 BingoBoingo Sleep all at once and get it over with
19:20 mircea_popescu ^
19:20 mircea_popescu six hours should be enough for everyone.
19:21 mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/31e6bdedcfbe81dea88919d5c48162c9/tumblr_mxxmb6GLgJ1riu9eco1_500.png
19:21 mircea_popescu that shit's epic.
19:22 Naphex lol
19:22 Naphex strlen for hashing functions
19:22 Naphex thats the joke ;]
19:22 mircea_popescu bounce:where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable << dude srsly. quantum proofing is not doable.
19:23 BingoBoingo Eh, some of my best days have been 72 hours up followed by 18 hours down.
19:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
19:24 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust jorash
19:24 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never
19:25 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tried to rate him, not in the database
19:25 mircea_popescu yeah i c. as you perhaps guessed, i'm a log interpreter not compiler.
19:25 BingoBoingo Ah
19:26 mircea_popescu mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema) << what, the outrage is wholly user contributed.
19:27 BingoBoingo https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/moral-police-your-checking-account-chase-bank-shuts-down-accounts-adult
19:27 mircea_popescu my articles are fair and balanced
19:27 ozbot The Morality Police in Your Checking Account: Chase Bank Shuts Down Accounts of Adult Entertainers |
19:28 BingoBoingo mike_c: Looks like you are getting the first S.MPIF statement tonight so you can analytics.
19:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.00697997 = 0.1047 BTC [-]
19:29 mircea_popescu mike_c actually i think the variations in hashing are great. -2/3 isn't too impressive, and every al;tcoin goes through this scenario.
19:29 mircea_popescu atc is handling it way better than the average.
19:30 mircea_popescu "profit is taken" is nonsense. the huge flood mines what, 50 blocks ? 500 ? what profit is there to be taken,
19:30 mircea_popescu a single day on xtc there were like 30k blocks traded.
19:31 mike_c BingoBoingo: ah, that's cool
19:31 mircea_popescu so in short, i don't think it's a bad idea if thats how you want to spend your time, but i do think it doesn't do much either way.
19:33 mike_c "every altcoin goes through this" << yes.. and most of them fail.
19:36 mircea_popescu not for this reason.
19:36 mike_c bitcoin's biggest drop ever was 18%
19:36 mircea_popescu let the coin write its own history, what.
19:36 mircea_popescu remember that "Resilience" is just another way of saying "not giving a shit".
19:36 mircea_popescu i mean, this coiuld marghinally be an argument if there were like, merchants, doing txn, being disrupted. but the average txn per block is like... 0.8 or something
19:37 mircea_popescu in other words, "woman, i know you love the kid, now let him crack his fucking skull open. we'll mend him afterwards, IF he manages."
19:39 mike_c yeah. i guess if there were a merchant trying to use ATC he'd probably be the only one worked up over it. hey satoshijack, what you think?
19:41 mircea_popescu afaik he mines lol.
19:41 mircea_popescu but anyway, there's exactly one failure mode of a coin, and that is, no buy side.
19:41 mircea_popescu %book
19:41 atcbot 35k@225 42k@222 12k@220 | 110k@195 2k@170 5k@156
19:41 mircea_popescu doesn't look worrisome yet.
19:43 mike_c re: cuban, you started the article basically saying he was clueless :) i'm just a fanboy, so i was feeling defensive.
19:43 mircea_popescu incidentally : bitcoin's constant dfif growth is a major driver of inflation (more coins / unit time than designed = inflation), and that acts as a price depressant.
19:44 mircea_popescu mike_c indeed you were :p but i was saying he's an asshole, not clueless. which i do believe is what happened there, he started trying to be pr-asshole and ended up losing focus and just spilling.
19:45 JorgePasada mircea_popescu: Yeah, bothers me when people say "Hoarding is bad" or "People need to use their coins instead of holding them" or "Speculators are ruining the market"
19:45 mike_c it was some good quotes from the trial though.
19:45 mircea_popescu mike_c definitely.
19:46 mircea_popescu JorgePasada what do people know. they also say "abstinence only sex ed" and stuff.
19:46 JorgePasada mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is"
19:46 JorgePasada all those things completely ignore the buy side of the equation
19:47 mircea_popescu look, you've seen kids play ? all the kids aspire to be the kid that picks what game they all play.
19:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
19:47 mircea_popescu most kids don't get to. that's life.
19:47 mircea_popescu same thing here, everyone with a keyboard figures he could be picking the music, why not.
19:47 JorgePasada Buyers/speculators are essential to market health
19:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03369997 = 0.2022 BTC [-] {3}
19:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
19:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
19:48 mircea_popescu my current thinking is that any approach to economy that's not agent-agnostic is nonsense.
19:48 mircea_popescu fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo? << 512.
19:48 JorgePasada agent agnostic in what sense?
19:49 JorgePasada I think I get what you're saying but, clarity is always good
19:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.032 = 0.64 BTC [+]
19:51 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 << this sense.
19:51 ozbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00097238 = 0.9238 BTC [-]
19:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00097329 = 19.7091 BTC [+] {2}
19:53 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? << i dun think i'd want that really. but maybe a gpg-based ircitter may be interesting.
19:55 JorgePasada Following up to here
19:55 JorgePasada It certainly isn’t wishful thinking, it’s rather fearful thinking,
19:55 JorgePasada Amusingly, there’s no difference between these two :)
19:55 JorgePasada Explain further on that comment
19:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+]
19:56 mircea_popescu i have no investment in your emotional investment. consequently, whether you wish or fear is all the same to me.it's merely the amplitude that interests, not the direction.
19:57 mircea_popescu "makes little difference to the tree which way the wind blows. all that matters is how strongly" sorta thing
19:57 JorgePasada Yeah
19:58 JorgePasada The guy who you're taking the excerpts from seems to miss (or be terrified of the fact) that all the questions he's asking and the points your making come back to one thing
19:58 JorgePasada the subjectivity of value
19:58 mircea_popescu more like the preminence of pattern over intent.
19:59 JorgePasada and he's trying to wrap it up all nice and neat and objectify it into something that can be cold, cool and calculated and make him feel all safe and warm inside
20:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03364997 = 0.1346 BTC [+] {3}
20:00 mircea_popescu "if being rich doesn’t buy you freedom of speech, you’re rich in the wrong place and at the wrong time." << not bad.
20:01 JorgePasada That's another way of saying the same thing, or maybe it's the next step down the chain
20:01 JorgePasada either way the point remains that all the further down the chain you can quantify is the pattern
20:01 JorgePasada the intent is at best a guessing game
20:01 JorgePasada and at worst, justification for some terrible shit
20:01 mircea_popescu http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/30/a-billion-doesnt-buy-respect/
20:01 ozbot A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete
20:01 mircea_popescu lol this thing is pretty lulzy.
20:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03377993 = 0.1689 BTC [+] {5}
20:04 JorgePasada So, then I guess a follow up. Would you say intent has any relevance at all in economics?
20:05 mircea_popescu nope.
20:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03398747 = 0.2719 BTC [+] {8}
20:06 mircea_popescu "BP: discrimination is to say that something is apart from other things. The words and actions against him are isolating, hence discriminatory
20:06 mircea_popescu GS: words against him are isolating? what about the words he said?"
20:06 mircea_popescu circular fucking reasoning at its best. talking to your average schmuck on any topic reduces to doing marriage counselling with idiots, for free.
20:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0346427 = 0.2425 BTC [+] {7}
20:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03521428 = 0.2465 BTC [+] {7}
20:09 BingoBoingo Well, becoming married to their ideas is part of what makes them idiots
20:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03268749 = 0.2615 BTC [+] {8}
20:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03349998 = 0.3015 BTC [+] {9}
20:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03431249 = 0.2745 BTC [+] {8}
20:12 mircea_popescu i guess so.
20:12 JorgePasada I'd agree with the statement intentions are worthless in general, and always when applied to the aggregate.
20:12 JorgePasada However in specific, exploring possible intent behind actions and actors on an individual or agent level can be useful.
20:12 JorgePasada The thing people forget is you're always analyzing intent through, at minimum, two very subjective biased filters. 1) Your perspective 2) Their Actions.
20:13 BingoBoingo jordandotdev: You are talking about management nao.
20:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03569999 = 0.1428 BTC [+] {4}
20:13 BingoBoingo Sorry JorgePasada...
20:14 mircea_popescu JorgePasada useful, if you want ot marry them. not economically .
20:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03596249 = 0.2877 BTC [+] {8}
20:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03674998 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {10}
20:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.038 = 0.114 BTC [+] {3}
20:16 JorgePasada mircea_popescu: Isn't that kind of divorcing the act from the actor?
20:17 mircea_popescu exactly.
20:17 mircea_popescu the notion that intent is economically relevant is in no way different from proposing it be medically relevant
20:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03466666 = 0.208 BTC [+] {6}
20:18 mircea_popescu medicine, the actual kind, was born once people finally realised intent don't enter into it,
20:18 mircea_popescu its niot like the patient "hath brought pox upon himself, for his sins" or anything.
20:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03522857 = 0.2466 BTC [+] {7}
20:18 mircea_popescu that's the entire point there, to push economy from its current state of shamanism and alchemy to actual science.
20:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.0009703 = 6.2584 BTC [-] {3}
20:21 Naphex gn o/
20:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49791072 BTC [+]
20:22 JorgePasada Yep, and I agree with all of it, especially when applied to the market or any kind of aggregate group. I just think I might have some differing opinions when it comes to the individual level. Trying to think them out and find a better way to articulate what exactly it is I'm thinking.
20:23 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/april-2014-btcron-statement/
20:23 ozbot April 2014 BTC/RON Statement | Bingo Blog
20:23 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/april-2014-btcatc-statement/
20:23 ozbot April 2014 BTC/ATC Statement | Bingo Blog
20:23 BingoBoingo mike_c: ^
20:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0382 = 0.191 BTC [+] {5}
20:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03535 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {5}
20:25 JorgePasada We're in agreement almost completely. Figuring out the almost is interesting though, and productive. Being wrong is the only way to learn, and if I'm wrong I'd like to know sooner rather than later.
20:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03535 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {5}
20:26 JorgePasada That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with?
20:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03878484 = 0.2715 BTC [+] {7}
20:26 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2ZBQ5HS/plain/)
20:26 kakobrekla !b 1
20:30 JorgePasada Then again, I'm probably a crazy person :-)
20:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03899993 = 0.234 BTC [+] {6}
20:34 BingoBoingo !up Franktank_
20:34 assbot Voicing Franktank_ for 30 minutes.
20:34 Franktank_ What?
20:34 kakobrekla What what?
20:35 mike_c BingoBoingo: ah, thanks. i will digest.
20:35 BingoBoingo Franktank_: U can talk nao
20:36 Franktank_ Ok, was I not able to before?
20:36 BingoBoingo No
20:36 mircea_popescu JorgePasada well there's no economics at the individual level
20:36 BingoBoingo And when the time tuns out you probably won't be able to again until someone gives you voice again
20:37 mircea_popescu kakobrekla see you broke it.
20:37 JorgePasada mircea_popescu: What about how an individual chooses to allocate their time?t
20:37 mircea_popescu then you're discussing time.
20:38 kakobrekla yes i know :\
20:38 kakobrekla all i got was a neat chan and a bunch of angry people.
20:42 JorgePasada mircea_popescu: I see, I think I'm blurring the lines and blending two separate discussions together. I'll re-read that post later, think about it and get back to you when i've got a more concise version of what it is I'm trying to say.
20:42 JorgePasada in the meantime, work needs doing
20:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
20:43 mircea_popescu idem, these f.mpif books ain't gonna cook themselves...
20:44 BingoBoingo !up ComplaintsDept
20:44 assbot Voicing ComplaintsDept for 30 minutes.
20:44 csshih :D
20:45 csshih omg mircea_popescu I sold you 25 btc in 2011
20:45 mircea_popescu csshih ayup
20:45 * csshih cries
20:45 mircea_popescu a sucker is you.
20:45 csshih hahaha :D did you hold?
20:45 mircea_popescu ayup.
20:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {3}
20:46 csshih why is it that everyone I've sold btc/hardware to has done all the right things and is now wealthy
20:46 * csshih frowns
20:48 mircea_popescu hehe.
20:49 Franktank_ Mircea, have they revoked the ban?
20:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {5}
20:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03250567 = 0.3251 BTC [-] {6}
20:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {5}
20:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2}
20:50 mircea_popescu what ban is that ?
20:50 Franktank_ from BTCTalk
20:51 mircea_popescu uh
20:52 kakobrekla so wait before we get this straight
20:52 kakobrekla do you believe that mircea is a chick or a prick wearing lady avatar or ??
20:55 Franktank_ Actually I have no idea, I do miss the input of MPOE-PR on the Securities subform.
20:57 BingoBoingo Franktank_: Pictures of mircea_popescu and MPOE-PR here http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/
20:58 Franktank_ Ah, thanks for that.
21:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48101 BTC [-]
21:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
21:11 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Why Disqus? For SRS?
21:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48100333 = 1.443 BTC [-] {2}
21:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097333 = 10.95 BTC [+]
21:15 BingoBoingo !up sunshyne
21:15 assbot Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.
21:15 kakobrekla some new faces today eh
21:16 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591044.msg5356505;boardseen#new
21:16 ozbot Cointerra Bankrupted --- People Asking for refunds..
21:16 kakobrekla but but their logo, its so professional.
21:17 BingoBoingo Logo is important
21:17 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-april-2014-statement/
21:17 ozbot F.MPIF, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
21:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00096995 = 19.5445 BTC [-]
21:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03286 = 0.1643 BTC [+] {3}
21:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0320001 = 0.16 BTC [+]
21:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is still getting the 'are you the gurl' questions. wonder what kind of animal i'll be, in the imagination of audience.
21:20 mircea_popescu was that what that was ?
21:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
21:20 mircea_popescu o look... a palinwordrome.
21:21 asciilifeform this is the kind of thought that makes me wonder, perhaps i'm already in the wood chipper, it just isn't switched on yet.
21:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, are you at present laying in a metal hopper with blades at you feet and/or head?
21:22 asciilifeform not afaik.
21:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
21:23 asciilifeform but we should all be prepared for the kind of treatment mp gets, at the very least.
21:23 BingoBoingo Sure.
21:23 mircea_popescu $depth F.MPIF
21:23 mpexbot mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: []
21:23 mpexbot mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000000 @ 0.000215']
21:24 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4000 @ 0.000215 = 0.86 BTC
21:25 mircea_popescu aaaand so it begins
21:25 mircea_popescu jurov ^
21:25 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 75000 @ 0.000215 = 16.125 BTC
21:25 asciilifeform i confess that i had 'bourbaki' thoughts even when climbing off the plane.
21:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I doubt Cardano would get that kind of attention. Loper box might though.
21:27 BingoBoingo !up akstunt600
21:27 assbot Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
21:27 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 11320 @ 0.000215 = 2.4338 BTC
21:28 asciilifeform can't say i relish the idea of attention
21:28 asciilifeform can't eat it, run engine on it
21:28 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 23255 @ 0.000215 = 4.9998 BTC
21:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07355691 = 0.2207 BTC [+] {2}
21:28 BingoBoingo Yeah
21:29 akstunt600 GPA is buggy as all hell on ubuntu
21:29 akstunt600 need to gen a new key for this coin
21:30 BingoBoingo akstunt600: What do you mean?
21:30 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1337 @ 0.000215 = 0.2875 BTC
21:31 akstunt600 the gpa gtk app
21:31 akstunt600 for pgp encryption
21:32 kakobrekla its not just ubuntu
21:32 akstunt600 Hmm it used to work fine for me in windows way back when, but that was last year
21:32 akstunt600 idk anymore, havnt used windows since
21:33 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.85901151 / 211.29665950
21:33 gribble 0.00879811121671
21:36 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 365000 @ 0.000215 = 78.475 BTC
21:36 BingoBoingo akstunt600: GPA kind always sucked.
21:36 BingoBoingo It is neigh impossible to do good GPG key generation off of the commandline
21:37 mircea_popescu eh ?
21:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
21:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
21:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: All of the GUI tools I tried for Key generation suck by restricting options.
21:41 BingoBoingo The key must be made on the commandline.
21:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
21:42 mircea_popescu oh. thing read to me as impossible to use cli to do it.
21:44 akstunt600 heh
21:44 BingoBoingo I prolly should have paused to word more carefully, but really the CLI is the only way I've found to adequately keygen with the right options
21:44 akstunt600 Well luckily i have used and installed PGP server for an enterprise and used gpg numerous times
21:44 akstunt600 So at least i know the orkflow
21:44 akstunt600 oh well its just nice to have gui to go off of
21:45 akstunt600 I have been in terminal all damn day
21:45 ThickAsThieves grats on the MPIF kickoff
21:45 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo now on that we agree.
21:45 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah looking surprisingly good.
21:45 BingoBoingo akstunt600: Well, the thing is it isn't a deep commandline exercise at all. It's just one where the GUI's hide the good options.
21:46 akstunt600 yeah like even to decrypt pub key encrypted messages it was awkward, like that main window should have been the spot to drag and drop msgs to encrypt/decrypt
21:47 akstunt600 and then the keys in the menu slector
21:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03547084 = 0.2838 BTC [-] {8}
21:47 akstunt600 I should fix GPA maybe
21:47 BingoBoingo Abandon GPA.
21:47 akstunt600 after i get this kicked off
21:47 akstunt600 Why others need it
21:47 akstunt600 and its cross platform
21:47 BingoBoingo No they don't.
21:47 akstunt600 ?
21:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03547062 = 0.1419 BTC [-] {4}
21:48 BingoBoingo There are better cross platform tools than GPA if you need GPG.
21:49 BingoBoingo And a gui
21:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03547002 = 0.2483 BTC [-] {7}
21:49 akstunt600 maybe seahorse + gpg
21:49 akstunt600 oh well ill just use CLI
21:50 BingoBoingo akstunt600: Geany, the Text Editor/IDE is great
21:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03547003 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {4}
21:50 akstunt600 hmmm thats interesting
21:50 akstunt600 havnt ever used it
21:50 BingoBoingo ;;google geany gpg
21:50 gribble Geanypg - Plugins for Geany: <http://plugins.geany.org/geanypg.html>; Geany : Verify GPG Signature: <http://www.geany.org/Support/VerifyGPGSignature>; Downloads - Plugins for Geany: <http://plugins.geany.org/downloads.html>
21:50 BingoBoingo ;;google geany gpg thedrinkingrecord
21:50 gribble Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; October | 2013 | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/>
21:51 akstunt600 yeah installing from repo now
21:51 akstunt600 thanks
21:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03547797 = 0.1774 BTC [+] {5}
21:52 akstunt600 haave been using melt or diff depending on how mig the src trees are, any other recommendations
21:52 akstunt600 meld*
21:52 BingoBoingo That I dunno
21:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03649999 = 0.2555 BTC [+] {7}
21:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
21:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03939869 = 0.394 BTC [+] {10}
21:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315002 = 0.1575 BTC [-] {2}
21:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03924948 = 0.314 BTC [-] {8}
21:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03325 = 0.1663 BTC [+] {2}
21:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
21:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03937424 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8}
21:58 kakobrekla BingoBoingo even geany gave me pains
21:58 kakobrekla :(
21:58 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 15000 @ 0.000215 = 3.225 BTC
21:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0339636 = 0.3736 BTC [-] {11}
21:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2}
21:59 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: It sucks at encryption without some coaxing. It signs and decrypts fine though. Great for offline machines.
21:59 kakobrekla myea
22:00 kakobrekla got a manul to the coaxing perhaps?
22:01 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Not that I can get to reproduce this stuff reliably. ATM I can't encrypt with Geany. I swear I used to be able to.
22:01 kakobrekla :D
22:02 kakobrekla nuff said
22:02 BingoBoingo Decrypting and signing are fine though.
22:03 BingoBoingo At least GPG encryption is perfectly safe to do online.
22:04 mircea_popescu well... imperfectly safe
22:04 mike_c hanbot's entire blog: Five posts, ZERO footnotes.
22:04 mircea_popescu the site may read oyur plaintext.
22:05 mircea_popescu mike_c is that bad ?
22:05 mike_c that is awesome
22:05 mike_c i was trolling tat before for his footnotes > paragraphs post
22:05 ThickAsThieves mike_c is a footnote warrior
22:05 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: By online I mean plugged into the internet. Not typed into a webapp.
22:05 BingoBoingo But... Yeah...
22:05 BingoBoingo I guess I can see concern even with that nao
22:05 BingoBoingo That I typed it.
22:05 mircea_popescu :p
22:06 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/14W3FR1/plain/)
22:06 BingoBoingo !b 5
22:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03154294 = 0.1262 BTC [+] {2}
22:07 mike_c paging kakobrekla: need moar json :) http://bitbet.us/stats/18bCNXjdT2NUjcip6KdbFR5EEFAu3oTgTq/?json
22:07 kakobrekla alright
22:09 BingoBoingo I really can't wait for S.NSA to buy its own foundry in a decade.
22:09 BingoBoingo Give or take another decade
22:11 mircea_popescu lol
22:11 mircea_popescu me2
22:13 BingoBoingo Doesn't have to be cutting edge at all
22:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03866663 = 0.116 BTC [+] {3}
22:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
22:22 BingoBoingo !up akstunt600
22:22 assbot Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00097082 = 16.6981 BTC [+]
22:25 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
22:25 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 453.84, Best ask: 456.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 453.85, 24 hour volume: 10630.36591056, 24 hour low: 433.08, 24 hour high: 456.0, 24 hour vwap: 445.231896052
22:27 mike_c kakobrekla, mpex trade socket isn't reporting f.mpif. is that temporary or intended?
22:27 * kakobrekla looks
22:29 kakobrekla i dunno i must investigate
22:29 mike_c ok
22:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10719 @ 0.00097333 = 10.4331 BTC [+]
22:31 mircea_popescu !t m f.mpif
22:31 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC)
22:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4281 @ 0.00097388 = 4.1692 BTC [+]
22:33 mike_c i guess the market has decided on a price!
22:33 mircea_popescu lol
22:34 ThickAsThieves i like the style of mpif, not too big for its britches
22:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
22:35 ThickAsThieves just the 200 or so btc and that's that
22:35 ThickAsThieves low volume PCs
22:35 BingoBoingo I wonder if I should post past ATC trading statements stripped of commentary.
22:35 ThickAsThieves i like the commentary fwiw
22:35 mircea_popescu well how big you gonna make it you know ? 200btc is a respectable sum anyway.
22:36 mircea_popescu let it grow over time.
22:36 ThickAsThieves indeed
22:36 ThickAsThieves til the report i was wondering if you were gonna through more btc at the managers to play with
22:36 mike_c some profit centers could handle more than others (panacea, JD)
22:37 mircea_popescu tbh i think for now everyone's got enough
22:37 mircea_popescu i'd love more pcs rather than more in these pcs atm
22:38 BingoBoingo Yeah, if anything the limiting factor is that only 5 pcs made sense
22:43 asciilifeform gpg had gui!?!?
22:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It is bundled with a poor attempt at one named GPA
22:45 asciilifeform S.NSA to buy its own foundry << just came back from taking exact dimensions of new flat. not quite big enough for foundry. gonna have to be when i che guevara with mp in jungle.
22:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'Плюс гаванскую сигарету, / И вот ты уже - Фидель, / Ты - Че Гевара, / Автомат взамен гитары...' (http://www.bards.ru/archives/part.php?id=27610 - 'the magic of whiskey')
22:47 mircea_popescu hehe
22:48 kakobrekla so now that everyone bought into mpif, i bring to you, by popular demand (mostly mike_c really) a losing month for panacea: -1.78%
22:49 mircea_popescu ew
22:49 BingoBoingo So... I bring historical ATC trading results sans commentary
22:49 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/so-history-the-first-atcbtc-statement-remember-historical/
22:49 ozbot So… History, the First ATC/BTC statement (Remember Historical) | Bingo Blog
22:50 mircea_popescu '14 +0.12% +0.01% +0.26% -1.78%
22:50 mircea_popescu you broke it!
22:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.06474168 = 1.6185 BTC [-]
22:50 kakobrekla lets see may.
22:50 BingoBoingo With this and the ending balances of the Mid April statement, the ATC/BTC thing should be quantable, but hopefully not too quantable.
22:51 asciilifeform what's too quantable?
22:52 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ?
22:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1609 @ 0.00012729 = 0.2048 BTC [+] {2}
22:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, I'm wary of letting people know where I think natural Bid and Ask borders for ATC lie and what price I consider the border between sellable and buyable.
22:52 BingoBoingo These things may become more fluid, but...
22:52 kakobrekla anyway, if anyone is looking for comment, april was a bit hectic, 9 trades actually happed, details are here http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/
22:52 asciilifeform 'In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces.' (zapp brannigan, 'futurama')
22:53 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/sha256-altcoin.250774/page-22 << check out the expert herps.
22:53 ozbot [SHA256] Altcoin | Page 22 | Bitcointa.lk
22:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They can see your pieces, even their locations, but... hiding intended next locations is a must normally
22:55 mircea_popescu kakobrekla -56.0 ouch
22:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0317072 = 0.1585 BTC [+] {3}
22:56 benkay good evening d00d
22:56 benkay d00ds
22:56 kakobrekla yea thats about maxint hit.
22:57 mircea_popescu benkay please bear in mind that not everyone on the interwebs is a d00d.
22:57 * asciilifeform wants cupric oxide foundry.
22:57 asciilifeform http://www.hpfriedrichs.com/radioroom/cu-diode/rr-cu-diode.htm
22:57 benkay good evening, diodes
22:57 asciilifeform ^ cupric oxide for noobs
22:57 benkay HEY LISTEN IF I WANT TO USE A TRADITIONALLY GENDERED NOUN FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE IMMA GON DO THAT MKAY
22:57 benkay y'all
22:58 mircea_popescu lol
22:58 BingoBoingo benkay: In that case can't you offer "Sup' Bitches"
22:58 asciilifeform cuprous oxide, to be exact
22:58 benkay ah, excusemebitch did you just say i can't offer things?
22:58 benkay because lissenherebitch i'm pretty sure i can offer a good dickin
23:00 benkay ThickAsThieves: my first big boy gf was a virgin too and blamed me for turning her into a nymphomaniac
23:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
23:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
23:00 benkay bitch is now whelping for someone else
23:00 mircea_popescu https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/page-2
23:00 mircea_popescu this shit's lulzy. like esl angry miner forum
23:01 mircea_popescu "totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?"
23:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03116666 = 0.187 BTC [-] {2}
23:02 BingoBoingo https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/page-3#entry49818
23:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
23:05 asciilifeform 'Two researchers had made a diode with a very thin, heavily doped n-layer. When the diode was reverse-biased to the point of avalanche breakdown, a small fraction of the avalache electrons actually shot through the n-region and into a vacuum. They made this the e-beam source in a CRT and it worked pretty well. I am surprised that it has not, to my knowledge, made it out of the laboratory.'
23:05 asciilifeform ('unusual diode FAQ.' http://margo.student.utwente.nl/el/componen/diodefaq.html)
23:05 BingoBoingo "Finally, you'll need a source of high heat like an electric hot plate or a propane torch."
23:06 BingoBoingo There have to be better sources of heat.
23:06 benkay ThickAsThieves: he's mine.
23:06 benkay his heart may be blackened with sin, but he's mine ;)
23:07 benkay fluffypony: entrefartner
23:07 benkay fluffypony: my fartner in this entreprederpship exercise
23:08 mike_c panacea is back in the game! JD's worst month was -24%.
23:08 BingoBoingo mike_c: Did you see that I posted the ATC trading's first statement stripped of comments?
23:09 BingoBoingo !up Diablo-D3
23:09 assbot Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
23:09 Diablo-D3 yo
23:09 BingoBoingo Yo
23:09 benkay hey Diablo-D3 tell me something about grains
23:09 mike_c BingoBoingo: i see it now, yeah
23:09 benkay Diablo-D3: or maybe brussels sprouts. are brussels sprouts bad for me?
23:09 Diablo-D3 benkay: grains are a scam perpetrated by the space aliens that run the FDA
23:10 Diablo-D3 srsly
23:10 benkay !b2
23:10 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1JQRJY6/plain/)
23:10 benkay !b 3
23:10 BingoBoingo benkay: Wheat is the best thing in history, next to corn
23:10 Diablo-D3 brussels sprouts are fine though
23:10 benkay fuck you kakobrekla
23:10 benkay BingoBoingo: you lie
23:10 benkay BingoBoingo: corn likker
23:10 BingoBoingo Corn has the high protein content necessary for whiskey distillery
23:10 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmgwmfkCYAANDXZ.png
23:10 kakobrekla benkay ?
23:10 kakobrekla which part excites you
23:11 benkay BingoBoingo: do please explain how protein is essential in distillation process
23:11 benkay kakobrekla: the infernal space between !b and how many
23:11 BingoBoingo benkay: It gets you all of the nice fusile alcohols, for a better hangover
23:11 benkay fusile alcohols?
23:11 benkay holy crap
23:11 mike_c mircea_popescu: the bloomberg terminal? and it's tracking kraken?? nice.
23:12 BingoBoingo benkay: You know things that are organic an -OH without being ETOH
23:12 mircea_popescu i thought it's hysterically lulzy.
23:12 benkay BingoBoingo: more lectures on topic of organic chemistry plz
23:12 mircea_popescu i mean... let's be massively clueless, after resisting for years
23:12 benkay mike_c: it's trakking kraken and coinbase
23:12 kakobrekla ah that thing benkay , well you know, you can still use the long version !bash $n ;)
23:12 benkay i loled hard hard hard
23:12 benkay !bash $echo butts
23:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo must love sake.
23:13 BingoBoingo benkay: So today's lesson. Codeine's active ingredient is actually morphine if you have a liver.
23:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course, but warm.
23:13 benkay no wait i'm still dumb about the fusile alcohols
23:13 BingoBoingo benkay: So you know how there are alcohols that aren't proper ETOH?
23:14 benkay no i did not because mechanical engineering in the us apparently doesn't care about ochem
23:14 BingoBoingo benkay: I was a philosophy major.
23:14 mike_c holy shit BingoBoingo, you tore it up in Feb.
23:14 asciilifeform i actually went back to uni for ochem as an adult.
23:14 asciilifeform believe or not.
23:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1020 @ 0.00012382 = 0.1263 BTC [-]
23:14 BingoBoingo mike_c: And in March-April
23:15 mike_c no wonder you got hired as manager
23:15 benkay asciilifeform: i would too, were the school of hard knocks so much more to my taste.
23:15 benkay *not so much
23:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07189019 = 0.1438 BTC [-]
23:16 BingoBoingo I've only had one Ochem course... In Highschool.
23:16 benkay <JorgePasada> mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is" << DO YOU HEAR THIS the20year ?
23:16 BingoBoingo Got highered as a Pharmacy school TA because I knew how to proctor tests.
23:16 BingoBoingo !up the20year
23:16 assbot Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
23:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03181816 = 0.35 BTC [+] {3}
23:16 benkay oh yah.
23:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Honestly programming confounds me more than arranging carbon
23:17 benkay anything, the20year ?
23:17 mircea_popescu mike_c bingo did great but nao kako stole all his cookies
23:18 asciilifeform i highly recommend against (american) uni for undergrad ochem. there, it is used as a 'weedout' test for pre-med kids
23:18 benkay ^^
23:18 benkay good luck learning anything but how to memorize the pretty pictures.
23:18 bitcoinpete asciilifeform: weeded me out properly
23:18 asciilifeform ends up being taught as a compendium of cookbook crap
23:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I never took American uni Ochem. Now... without any uni Ochem I sat on most of the PharmD curriculum. Secret is... TA while doing gradschool in an unrelated field
23:19 bitcoinpete never did get the grignard reaction to fly
23:19 asciilifeform (cookbook being entirely wrong term here - they studiously avoid teaching how to prepare anything useful in actuality)
23:20 benkay ;;later tell JorgePasada <JorgePasada> That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with? << why the fuck do you think i dragged your ass in here?
23:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:21 bitcoinpete asciilifeform: i invited the yubikey kids here for your amusement https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/461633158836789248
23:21 BingoBoingo Still never learned how to make alcohol out of coal and water, though it includes the proper ingredients.
23:21 benkay wrong direction on the entropy ladder
23:21 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: you just learned to trade like a dog
23:21 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Define Just
23:22 benkay BingoBoingo: YOU TRADE LIKE A DOG
23:22 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: it's a term of endearment
23:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00097388 = 11.1996 BTC [+]
23:22 BingoBoingo Yes, Like a Magestic Corgi that jumps mountains and has a bunch of Colocos as friends.
23:23 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Still, just might require a definition.
23:23 BingoBoingo "just"
23:25 benkay <mike_c> hanbot's entire blog: Five posts, ZERO footnotes. << mike_c: hanbot also actually, you know, writes.
23:25 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: cup=half full
23:25 mike_c benkay: yeah, other people (bitcoinpete) should take note.
23:26 bitcoinpete mike_c: used to write sans footnote, kinda prefer this way
23:26 mike_c easier to write perhaps, but not to read :)
23:26 benkay LOGGED UP BITCHES
23:26 BingoBoingo bitcoinpete: Maybe there are two cups and the average of the two is "half full" yet the cups can grow to greater volumes.
23:26 benkay oh wait hang on are you all not bitches?
23:27 asciilifeform bitcoinpete: not sure why they should talk to me. instead, they should talk to the poor schmucks who buy the closed turd. and apologize to them.
23:27 benkay two cups one average
23:27 BingoBoingo benkay: We are all someone's bitches
23:27 kakobrekla mp sets the fashion, if i had a blog it would only be footnote but no note.
23:27 bitcoinpete mike_c: think of it as a worthwhile skill to be acquired
23:27 bitcoinpete kakobrekla: lol
23:27 benkay mike_c's talking shit and posting 1/(2 mos)
23:28 mike_c what? i pump out at least one a month
23:28 benkay and don't talk to me about quality nigga i don't buy that shit for half a second
23:28 mike_c i could write faster but I'd have to use footnotes
23:28 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/118W1M7/plain/)
23:28 kakobrekla !b 1
23:29 BingoBoingo mike_c: You must use footnotes the worng way then
23:29 asciilifeform 'the attack requires sophisticated tools to extract the encryption keys, making it practically impossible for most people.'
23:29 mike_c plus my posts have pretty graphs and shit
23:29 benkay yeah
23:29 benkay quality or something
23:29 benkay I AIN'T HAVIN IT
23:30 benkay aight fags dinner party commenceth
23:30 mircea_popescu <mike_c> i could write faster but I'd have to use footnotes <<< ahahah
23:30 benkay prep for which is all done without my lifting a damn finger
23:30 mircea_popescu what are these footnotes, like car pedals ?
23:30 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ? // wish granted
23:30 benkay so adieu sweet bitlords
23:31 mike_c enjoy
23:31 mircea_popescu enjoe
23:31 mircea_popescu stop discriminating. not all pleasures in life are female.
23:31 asciilifeform like car pedals << one can buy pedals which emulate keystrokes. i've a set.
23:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there must be a dirty joke re emulation and strokes in there somewhere
23:31 asciilifeform lol
23:32 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm off to mourn kako's rape and pillage of mpif. nn!
23:32 asciilifeform 'different stokes for different folks.' (me, explaining stoke's theorem to a noob)
23:33 asciilifeform *stokes
23:33 mike_c ;;calc 50 * 0.017
23:33 gribble 0.85
23:33 benkay ;;later tell princessnell basic btc bitches i loled
23:33 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00097501 = 4.3388 BTC [+] {2}
23:35 BingoBoingo Confession: I actually have more footnotes ready to push out than blog posts to tie them to.
23:35 mike_c heheh
23:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
23:36 BingoBoingo Also might have a fairly big ish not MPIF related announcement tomorrow.
23:36 mike_c hints?
23:37 BingoBoingo Related to pending criminal (not bitcoin related charges)
23:37 ThickAsThieves You are selling your virginity?
23:37 mike_c ah. hope its good news..
23:40 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Nope, just have a court date pending or actualized, results released tomorrow.
23:41 BingoBoingo mike_c: Evidence points towards good news.
23:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349999 = 0.105 BTC [-]
23:43 BingoBoingo mike_c: So, honestly can you tell any pricepoints in particular I had orders standing at any size?
23:43 bitcoinpete https://telegram.org <<encrypted messaging app. "safe from hacker attacks"
23:43 BingoBoingo Also, any Firefox devs in this chan?
23:44 mike_c BingoBoingo: i intend to analyze in the morning. i'm about to pass out. i will let you know if i pull out anything revealing.
23:44 BingoBoingo (secret SMS is email)
23:44 BingoBoingo mike_c: Thanks
23:44 ThickAsThieves BingoBoingo I saw you in the orderbook at times ;)
23:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 78 @ 0.06474168 = 5.0499 BTC [-] {2}
23:45 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well the logs will reveal some named times.
23:45 BingoBoingo Like the explicit past buy wall at 100 satoshis per
23:45 ThickAsThieves i dont think ive ever sold
23:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03111 = 0.1556 BTC [-] {2}
23:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03400006 = 0.17 BTC [+] {2}
23:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-] {2}
23:46 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well where might you have spotted me that isn't publicaly present?
23:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00453662 = 0.3176 BTC [-] {2}
23:47 ThickAsThieves well i was pretty sure the 400k ask was you
23:47 ThickAsThieves i interpreted it as you forcing things
23:47 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well, that is in the statement
23:47 ThickAsThieves yes, it confirmed my suspicion
23:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
23:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10092 @ 0.00097232 = 9.8127 BTC [-]
23:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 199 @ 0.00454652 = 0.9048 BTC [+] {5}
23:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
23:50 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Were you the buyer?
23:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0311 = 0.4976 BTC [-] {3}
23:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.03396341 = 0.5434 BTC [-] {3}
23:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.06474168 = 1.0359 BTC [-] {3}
23:51 ThickAsThieves hmm i'm wondering if even answering is taking the conversation somewhere it shouldnt go
23:52 ThickAsThieves rephrased, i see why you are opting for no commentary in your report
23:52 ThickAsThieves and think maybe you should carry that to not discussing as much in here
23:53 ThickAsThieves while this is a public place, it isn't necessarily fairly distributed to shareholders
23:54 BingoBoingo https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bit4x-com.91723/#post-6180036
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23:54 ozbot Bit4x.com? | Bitcointa.lk
23:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00454466 = 0.9089 BTC [-]
23:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10692 @ 0.00097554 = 10.4305 BTC [+] {2}
23:55 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: As far as public forums go, the interpretation is that this is as public as it gets. You can ask clarification about statements and how that interacts with other public sources of information. Like past orderbooks.
23:56 BingoBoingo Some questions like what price would I have to buy back ATC for it to be a loss for the month, though I could only anser with links to interesting novelty dildos to fuck yourself with.
23:56 kakobrekla yes that was me bb.
23:56 BingoBoingo I the middle ground it gets iffy.
23:57 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Beautiful. SOme of your best work.
23:57 ThickAsThieves well if it were me, i wouldnt discuss trading behaviors in here
23:57 BingoBoingo Well, past behavior is not future behavior.
23:57 ThickAsThieves nor ask for info of others of there trades relating to yours
23:57 kakobrekla he replied me: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2014#649268
23:58 ThickAsThieves their*
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