#trilema | 2014-04-29

I forgot all about it

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from 2012

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I think I fucked up and lost my key

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so I just never used it again

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I like this nick too much :D

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lol

02:33

were you GPG registered or just with Bitcoin-signed auth?

02:33

GPG

02:33

ah yeah, if you've lost your key that's curtains for that

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Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons

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maybe nanotube can weigh on this if there's any recourse

02:34

anyway getting back to cryptocurrency companies

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I think the biggest thing is that you have to make a distinction between a fiat-profitable company looking to raise fiat funds, but doing so in BTC for convenience

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that sort of investment will most likely never be profitable from a BTC perspective

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I think I'm mostly looking for options that are low risk low yield as crypto already has risk built in

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Just to let my coins hang out and get some kind of return would be nice

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http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ <- that's coming soon

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The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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~May 5th

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BohemianHacks: also this is a good read - http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/

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So you like mpex over cryptostocks?

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any particular reason?

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yeah definitely

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well

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I would really like to check these guys out is the main reason http://www.bitcoinkinetics.cc/invest.html

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and they are doing an IPO on cryptostocks

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if you're shorting the stock I suppose cryptostocks is an option

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but if you want to plug some money into something and walk away and let it do its thing, mpex is a significantly safer option

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site looks like poop

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at the end of the day you have to do your own due diligence and invest in whatever makes the most sense to you

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Naphex: that it does, which is a bit iffy as a tech company but they have some legit ideas

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what is concerning about cryptostocks is that there's no due diligence done, not even the smallest little bit

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I think taxes and other issues may halt them like many other bitcoin atm companies

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fluffypony: yeah fraud protection is a must

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at least to some degree

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BohemianHacks: you heard what happened with Dragon's Tale right?

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https://cryptostocks.com/securities/67

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http://www.bitcoinkinetics.cc/bitticket.html

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BitTicket

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00462306 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {2}

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nope just getting back into crypto really

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BohemianHacks: so some dude listed Dragon's Tale on CryptoStocks

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except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale

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I have been working on a bunch of other projects and I am thinking my payments will largely be in coin

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just some random guy

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so Im checking things out again

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oh dang yeah thats pretty shady

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0344599 = 0.2757 BTC [+]

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yeah

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and a bunch of people bought

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I need to get gpg set up again

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Part my delay right now is that I need to be more secure this time

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I had coins all over the place and stored in unsafe ways

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that's a good starting point :)

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I lost some but didn't get robbed or anything

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so I am working out the best system for storting my coins and keys

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davout: bonjour, professeur davout!

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davout

fluffypony: ohai

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davout

imma start selling my time

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I would like a single key and a cold storage wallet and then just not worry about it from there. So long as I have a safe place to store some

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00097624 = 27.2371 BTC [+] {3}

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BIP32?

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http://bip32.org/

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BohemianHacks: a simple-ish solution is Electrum; deterministic key (so you only have to scribble down 12 words and save them), and it's bip32 encrypted

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BIP32 - JavaScript Deterministic Wallets

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(for your hot wallet)

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and then bip32 paper wallet for the cold wallet

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or just use bip32

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So what can I use this key for? why not just generate one with gpg?

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http://sx.dyne.org/hdkeys.html / https://github.com/vbuterin/pybitcointools

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8. HD Keys (BIP32) — sx 1 documentation

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or do you have some basic info on it?

02:48

BohemianHacks: this is for generating a Bitcoin address/private key from a passphrase

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gotcha, but couldn't this site just keep my private key?

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it's all JS

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so you can download and run it offline

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hmm

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depends on the level of paranoia you're aiming for :)

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https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io download it and save it and run it locally

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if you want

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and what does this have over bitcoin-qt and such?

02:50

BohemianHacks: for your hot wallet this http://electrum.org

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VERY nice looking

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bip32 is good for your cold wallet, you'd then be able to regenerate the private key from the seed at any point in the future, and import the privkey into Electrum / Bitcoin-QT / whatever

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but Electrum is solid for a hot wallet

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aaah thats exactly what I need

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thanks very much

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I will wait until i get home to my xubuntu, fully encrypted hard drive though

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cool beans

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6917 @ 0.00096928 = 6.7045 BTC [-]

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paranoid fun!

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its always nice to store 37 cents in a 40 inch thick steel safe

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lol

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I still can't believe how many people use smartphone wallets thoughf

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malware is way out pacing security on mobile

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yeah it's asking for trouble

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have you been seeing all the people getting Bitcoin/Dogecoin stolen from that malicious Chrome extension?

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naw but I believe it

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I mean, they have this dodgy extension installed, and then they go and transact on CoinBase

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I thought about going back to the dark side, but its still not worth it

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and it just changes the destination address

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after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you

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yep

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well don't run bitcoin transactions on browsers with untrusted or crap extensions

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chrome extensions run in ring0 from clientJS PoV

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so they can totally overpass anything with targeted attacks

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Naphex: which is exactly what happened

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my favourite are the "solutions" on Reddit

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be safe if you're about to sign transactions client-side

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just use lynx :P

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"if I have to transfer my coins from CoinBase I do it 1 at a time...it might take a while, but at least you can catch it happening"

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:)))

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because no malware has ever changed amounts

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what about just keeping your PC clean, and maybe running chrome in incognito without extensions

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as a precaution

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in incognito it already disables extensions afaik

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but a better principle would be having a clean not infected with every crapware/spyware software possible

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you have to explicitly trust the extension

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or something bad is going to happen at some point

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those extensions might as well steal identity info, banking info, company secrets whatever else

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Just running linux and a non-standard version of firefox makes things much safer

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I dont really worry too much about browser side stuff

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and I dont run extensions other than RES

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RES is awesome

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!up BohemianHacks

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03:21

[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 237 @ 0.001 = 0.237 BTC

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so... why not support something like this

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$ host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro

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naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IDAbYX4Pyv2SogoQghe9k8XhKyJI+hedb0uvryrNXhkD197beYw+g4XP7xsXdkcpWe3lH1BJMynqCIBX+/vUY8M="

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interesting

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what's the signature? is the message just the domain?

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domain + address,

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add another record like that for the reverse

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is there a standard for this?

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why not suggest it as a BIP?

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is just a quick tought, idealy there would be some other mechanisms

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to prevent dns spoofing

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Naphex my DNS knowledge is spotty

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but aren't TXT records always canonical?

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in which sense?

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no wait nm, I just twigged what you meant wrt dns spoofing

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i meant someone hopping on your dns server and just setting all addresses to his:p

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well here's something else to consider

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if a malicious person runs a DNS server

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they have a financially viable reason to spew out bad records

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so the only way to do it as a standard

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would be to force the bitcoin client to get it from the root ns' for that domain

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well you can do dnssec and stuff

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too authenticate the data

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I like the idea

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System_Security_Extensions

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Domain Name System Security Extensions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec

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cool

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so you can make sure to query 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.4.4

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100253.0

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Supply Bitcoin addresses in DNS records

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31716.0

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Bitcoin DNS addresses

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looks like it comes up every year

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and nobody runs with it

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Naphex: I think this is going to be the preferred solution once it's in common use - https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0070.mediawiki

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(at least for merchants and services)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95894 @ 0.00097678 = 93.6673 BTC [+] {5}

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yeah i know bip70

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dude you should seriously put this up as a BIP for discussion

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you could still stick to the dns and use x509/pki in the same way

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or use gpg

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fluffypony ponders

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I wonder

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but with dnssec you can move validation up

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is there any issue with having lots of txt records?

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bip70 you will have to validate the pki

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nah, and you lookup specific txt records

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ok so

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why not have a user@domain standard

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instead of for the whole domain

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so if I send moneyz to naphex@btcxchange.ro

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it looks up the txt record for you

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verifies

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you can use whatever as long as it rezolves and validates

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in fact

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that could work for merchants too if it's a BIP71 compatible URI

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aye, or anyone just a lookup function

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you can go dynamic on it using bip32 pub keys, or have custom dns software deliver unique addresses

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ok but for the sake of simplicity a person in control of their DNS records can just add a TXT record for themselves with their BTC addy + signature, right?

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1900 @ 0.00006104 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5}

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yep

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and dnssec setup if he wants to authenticate that data

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cool

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i might set up a play service this weekend

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vacation time in romania, might as well have some fun

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cool beans

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once everyone reads through this log I'm sure there will be some input

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and then let's plz BIP it, I'll do the grunt work of writing the BIP if you're feeling lazy

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i'll build up a service and see if we can poke holes in it, dnssec sign each zone, and reverse/point fowards for the addresses

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or another record field, where you can reverse associate the address to the specific dns signature

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sounds good

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so atleast you're setting up trust in all ways, and can be verified

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mircea will like it cause you can use GPG directories/certs http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssec-certs-04#section-3.2

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00096908 = 20.5445 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 536 @ 0.00020062 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {2}

~ 37 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0336663 = 0.1683 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00097627 = 14.4976 BTC [+]

~ 24 minutes ~

05:22

http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/04/29/accounting-for-the-amazing-company-the-bitcointalk-standard/ show some love for pankkake :)

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake

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i love when i register for various crap and then get sudden lulzies

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"..some of the pre-reserved domains will soon be available for purchase. The domain(s) in question are: bitcoin.bargains bitcoin.cheap"

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lol

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0344597 = 0.5858 BTC [+] {2}

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!up BohemianHacks

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!up MiningBuddy-

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!up phish

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05:32

Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D

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speaking is not compulsory

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just feels so :)

05:38

Logging on you own though... You never know when assbot will go down

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[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC

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kakobrekla should host assbot on the MaidSafe (tm) network

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for only a few SafeCoins (tm) a day (tm)

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oh wait nm, they don't actually have a product

05:46

http://blog.maidsafe.net/2014/04/23/maidsafe-sells-6-million-of-bitcoin-2-0-software-in-five-hours-press-release/

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MaidSafe Sells $6 Million of Bitcoin 2.0 Software in Five Hours – Press Release | MaidSafe

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oh wow, I didn't know that we're already on Bitcoin 2.0

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when Bitcoin 1.0 hadn't been released yet

05:50

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00012414 = 0.1862 BTC [+]

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There is no real Bitcoin after 0.7

06:03

can it be shorted?

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jurov: I don't think so

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i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol

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I don't see any concrete plans for trading "stock" in the company

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except "ohai mastercoin"

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no i mean mastercoins as such

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oic oic

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I have nfi

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morning mircea

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mircea_popescu: guten Tag

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hey!

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%t

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[X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 225 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 35k High: 200 Low: 160 VWAP: 190

06:06

Ce mai faci?

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bine!

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tu ce mai faci ?

06:07

Mulţumesc, bine

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o hey look at that, special chars.

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did you set up a ro kbd just to impress me ?

06:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00447518 = 0.179 BTC [-]

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lol

06:08

cut-and-paste from a Romanian phrasebook

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much easier

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the pronunciation is trippy compared to Italian

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except Salut, which is pretty universal ;)

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yea.

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consulem romanorum regii Pyrrhi salutem

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what's that say ?

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*

fluffypony consults the phrase book

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lol

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i doubt the web has reached that deep into the classical antiquity yet/

06:12

Romanian looks more like Latin than Italian does

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It's latin..

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oh

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well there you go

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no wonder the Romanian phrasebook wasn't helping me

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lol

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well it does salut in it, which is pretty universal. and orbiversal.

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(this is a joke. based on "urbi et orbi", literally "to the town and to the globe")

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lol

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you literally broke my brain

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you're numerically welcome.

06:15

literally hitler

06:15

hmmmmm...numerically hitler would be interesting

06:18

benkay:

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"unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'? << exactly.

06:19

decimation: sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing" << bounce disagrees, argue with him, i'd like to watch. ty both :)

06:20

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0678 = 0.2034 BTC [+]

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asciilifeform: folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed. << you know back i nthe day one way to make the old impossible amiga games playable was to downclock the damned things

06:27

asciilifeform: decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat. << you know stan, i hear 500 bucks buys one quite a few acres of open land in patagonia. and since it never rains... don't even really need a roof.

06:27

build a succession of spacious yurts.

06:28

i suspect this would be the ideal living arrangement for the true hardware engineer : much like a silkworm's. built a yurt roughly 10 body lengths in diameter, fill it with material slower.

06:28

when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old one you wish.

06:29

keep doing this. at any point you want something from the oild yurts, just go drag it to the current one. (never ever move stuff back tho, only forward)

06:29

there's probably a yurting period one could observe over the duration of his life, if he had the freedom do live in a manner adequate to his own manner.

06:30

you could have a million acres dedicated to this, like a sort of modern silicon valley / smarts farm. each accepted person gets his own line.

06:30

see who gets the furthest. "bob is so much further ahead of me" finally means something, geographically. etc.

06:32

fluffypony: that makes me a sad panda << you can take solace in the knowledge that the thing is complete bs.

06:33

mircea_popescu: our Internet is shitty tho

06:33

fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down << nope. you can't currently get anything under 100mbps even if you want to pay specifically for it. it's just not economical to maintain the old stuff.

06:33

that it may be yea

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fluffypony: that's bizarre << now you understand romania.

06:35

lol

06:36

BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons << either that, or tend to try and social engineer off old dormant cool sounding nicks.

06:37

BohemianHacks: So you like mpex over cryptostocks? << lol ok this shit's epic.

06:37

one day i'll understand how it works.

06:37

mircea_popescu: nickserv says otherwise

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and his github

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fluffypony nickserv is not authoritative. freenode gives away names and chans that were abandoined.

06:38

you just have to ask.

06:38

what's his github say ?

06:38

I know, but then the registration info changes

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because they drop the nick

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and let you register it

06:39

this is a point actually.

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https://github.com/BohemianHacks

06:40

fluffypony but that is the github of someone named thus.

06:40

you understand ? identity is a flimsy beast.

06:40

I do

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good cause i think many people don't. to judge by the banks etc at least.

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!up BohemianHacks

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which is why losing your privkeys generally == identity suicide

06:41

I think we're talking in his absence - [11:32:06] <+BohemianHacks> Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D

06:41

BohemianHacks so i'm very curious, how did you proceed to come to the idea that mpex and cryptostocks are in any sense tyhe same thing, or in any way comparable ?

06:42

fluffypony well maybe he gets through the logs.

06:42

tru dat

06:42

because they are both coin investment platforms, thats pretty similar

06:42

mircea_popescu: I invited him in here as he was expressing an interest in investing in crypto-based stocks

06:42

a quick google puts them in the same group, so its not like that is wildly off base

06:42

thought it best for him to get some proper info :)

06:43

so in the sense of "stuff to do with bitcoin" ?

06:43

no, you are investing your coin in the hope to get a return

06:43

lotteries, stocks, funds

06:43

all fall under that umbrella

06:43

but you can't invest in a lottery.

06:43

i guess there's the disconnect. aite.

06:43

sure you can, its a poor one but you can

06:44

buying 1000 lottery tickets usually wont pay out, but its an investment to some people

06:44

this poor word invest. it happens to be a term of art in finance, of course, but it's been (recently, since the internet) been coopted as a colloquialism

06:44

"expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."

06:44

BohemianHacks you can't, for the following reason : in order for something t obe an investment, it requires two things. a) that you've done research and b) that the research indicates +EV.

06:45

no thats just good investing

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now, lotteries fail on b. and if you're not aware of this, it fails on a.

06:45

mircea_popescu: I think the word has been coopted by the Jimmothy School of Smart Investmenting

06:46

well sure, i guess in the sense of, "good dentistry" is what happens at the dentist's office, and plain dentistry is what happens at the bare

06:46

once the punches start flrying

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bar*

06:46

No as in the definition of the word

06:46

the "definition of the word" according to whom ?

06:47

"the profession or science dealing with the prevention and treatment of diseases and malformations of the teeth, gums, and oral cavity, and the removal, correction, and replacement of decayed, damaged, or lost parts, including such operations as the filling and crowning of teeth, the straightening of teeth, and the construction of artificial dentures. "

06:47

dentistry ^

06:47

the dictionary dude, we have these things for a reason

06:47

"expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."

06:47

^invest

06:48

"the dictionary" is meaningless.

06:48

"we" similarly.

06:48

did you mean a webpage somewhere ?

06:48

mircea_popescu: don't be too pedantic with the newbies :-P

06:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00097627 = 11.5034 BTC [+]

06:49

anyway, to continue the saga of the poor word "invest" : originally, it denoted the act of comitting your army to a siege. which was, expensive and dangerous a proceeding.

06:49

meh, this is a waste of time. I get you are trying to prove a point about safe investing, but thats the definition of the word. Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing.

06:49

then the merchants stole it, because at the time the only thing the town merchant feared was the soldier, so he wanted to steal his stuff.

06:49

similarly today, the only thing the city poor / welfare bunnies fear is the 19th century capitalist

06:49

and so...

06:50

BohemianHacks im not trying to prove anything really, i'm just exploring where exactly we differ.

06:50

i don't know you well enough yet to actually care what you think for its own sake.

06:50

Same :D

06:50

fluffypony yeah, i just maxed the pedantry scale did i ?

06:50

.bait

06:50

http://37.media.tumblr.com/93053ba6dbb3f548d489c84a4e607588/tumblr_n2iu2trjaV1rz1q6ko1_500.gif

06:50

lawlz

06:51

Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing. <- it "feels" like investing to a lot of people, it's all about "feelings"

06:51

meh shitty bait ozzie. how am i to restore world balance thus ?

06:51

.bait

06:51

http://24.media.tumblr.com/e96f81d29cec91e9b9a0f6025f77add3/tumblr_n3de5nJDH31rz1q6ko1_1280.jpg

06:51

punkman pretty much. just like webpages "feel" like dictionaries.

06:51

culture world problems.

06:52

!up Curious_George

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Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.

06:52

like NeoBee "felt" it was a good idea to "invest" in excessive advertising

06:53

You guys are entertaining.

06:53

punkman im still waiting for the psychanalist to go into massive bitcoin exploratory expedxitions.

06:53

been trying to lure some but to little awail so far.

06:53

BohemianHacks you aware what the best description of this chan is, according to chan consensus so far ?

06:54

punkman: buy ALL of the advertizings. ALL of it.

06:54

so far it seems false etymology

06:54

wait, what ?!

06:54

ignorant ~and~ arrogant ?!

06:55

Clearly im the arrogant one here.

06:55

I like mp's definition better than the dictionary

06:55

fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale << that was a riot. tepi's face lol.

06:56

I can imagine

06:57

i think this Wywiał guy may be on track to write more than me.

06:57

;;later tell numeristrade you ever considered starting a blog ?

06:57

The operation succeeded.

07:00

so apparently teh chinese just demolished a pretty old church. this thing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmTiGh7CUAER9Zz.jpg:large

07:02

BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you << well, my curiosity continues. how did you compute that ?

07:04

Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec << myeah. some people learned the hard way why not trust linode. it cost them 40k btc or so, linode offered a half-apology and $50 in vouchers.

07:04

You are asking for a computation on a subjective matter, good luck getting real numbers.

07:04

same principle. don't use a public service of a large provider that has the power to survive you in the market.

07:05

BohemianHacks it would seem you made an objective statement, but perhaps we're stuck on different language spaces again.

07:05

I was talking about myself and failure to see that is entirely on you.

07:07

part of the risk involved with any crime is loss of freedom, the value of the is completely subjective

07:07

so if you can't see that anything dealing with that topic would be subjective, I can't really help you.

07:07

i c.

07:08

fluffypony: looks like it comes up every year and nobody runs with it << because it's a fucking stupid idea.

07:09

mircea_popescu: elaborate plx

07:10

on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. on the other hand, the pki/dns infrastructure is beyond rotten. tying it into any sort of live project is like taking a spleen off a rotting cadaver and putting it into someone's gut.

07:10

but you can check directly with the NS for the domain?

07:11

how do you check ?

07:11

whois

07:11

that ain't "directly".

07:11

fair enough, I get your point

07:11

aite.

07:12

ok so then the problem is that you have to communicate addresses somehow

07:12

phone / email / whatever

07:12

gpg signed works.

07:12

so everything is open to interception and breakage, to a greater or lesser degree

07:12

i mean it's not like the problem doesn't have a perfect solution alreayd.

07:12

yeah

07:12

it's just that some [mostly irrelevant] people have decided they don't want to apply the solutionb.

07:13

because "dictionary" or whatever. which is fine, but also, killing them is the general goal of entropy.

07:14

mircea_popescu: the problem is we come full circle back to the adoption problem - as much as you want to keep Bitcoin in the hands of the techno-competent, it is going to spread, and the n00bs are going to need n00bish solutions because they aren't going to learn to use GPG no matter how often people get hacked / lose money

07:15

perfect.

07:15

bitcoin is limtied in supply, soon enough all the noobies will have no bitcoin at all, and problem solved.

07:16

i honestly believe that from here to bitcoin being 50mn a piece, this channel will not nor needs not over 1k people active.

07:17

then everyone can move on to doge or maxcoin or w/e scam du jour, much more adequate for their needs and abilities,

07:17

and then wonder why is bitcoin so expensive since "nobody" buys it or holds it ?

07:17

much like they wonder about mpoe atm.

07:17

!up Jacobite

07:17

Voicing Jacobite for 30 minutes.

07:18

Jacobite

hi mircea enjoy reading your website.

07:18

hello.

07:19

sooo why the bitcoin-assets donation addy isn't gpg signed? haaa?

07:20

50mn, surely you jest?

07:20

jurov we probably should blame lampelina ?

07:20

cazalla why ?

07:20

lol poor lampelina

07:22

mircea_popescu: it's just an obscene amount of money, on what sorta time line does it reach that price?

07:22

man i feel so n00bish listening to this discussion. but i'm trying to learn, So... what is GPG

07:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]

07:22

!up Curious_George

07:22

Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.

07:22

anyway. i'll publish coinbr deposit address signed by support@coinbr.com.

07:22

gpg is a gnu implementation of pgp, which is the original public key cryptoi system

07:22

i expect alot of facepaloming i know

07:23

*face palming

07:23

what's to stop anyone to publishing say, admin@coinbr.com and doing mitm anyway?

07:23

jurov your address is in the wot.

07:23

!up VanCleef

07:23

Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.

07:23

it's not as difficult to understand as you think Curious_George as if I can grasp it, surely anyone can

07:23

thanks

07:23

cazalla btw, weren't you doing affiliate marketing for a living ?

07:23

why is it like this btw?

07:24

VanCleef http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/

07:24

mircea_popescu: amongst other things (domaining, seo blah blah) but not for some years now

07:24

also you should blame kako. i only accept congratulations. and cookies.

07:24

[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC

07:24

cazalla aok.

07:25

yeah i don't know cryptography so GPG, PGP and GNU implementation are over my head

07:25

Curious_George what os you run ? windows ?

07:26

yeah thats how simple i am

07:26

mircea_popescu, moiety: http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg

07:26

aite, so what was pgp for windows, kleopatra something ?

07:26

we should do that thang

07:26

ok i still don't get it but thanks for the ups

07:26

VanCleef well so ask a q ?

07:26

fluffypony what happened on the upper side there

07:26

oh

07:26

got clipped

07:27

Curious_George http://www.gpg4win.org/ there, you can dld that thing play around with it see what it does.

07:28

mircea_popescu: does that make me marketing scum?

07:28

mircea_popescu: how is the appeal onto nanotube's wot website different from running whois?

07:28

cazalla no i was just looking for someone with a lot of aff marketing exp.

07:29

jurov for me, that nanotube i trust. in general, that there exist no documented cases of a hijack.

07:29

hmm i cant see the SF2 IPO being filled anytime soon

07:31

more importantly, that his ability to absorb scandal is nil. all it takes is one single merchant attacked by him providing fake ids to someone and that's the end.

07:31

but he can be hacked.. i'd trust it fully *if* rating consisted of signing the recipient's gpg addy

07:31

than it would not be so much reliant on nanotube

07:31

jurov afaik he has been working (for the past two years) towards a distributed system

07:32

which wouldn't be a bad idea in any sense.

07:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52 = 7.8 BTC [+]

07:34

such long time development very likely means it will be convoluted..

07:34

jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol << lol. because anyone can do anything they set their mind to. including design of stuff they never used irl.

07:34

jurov either that or the man is doing a phd.

07:34

nanotube, why you can't for now just add a column to the database and a way to put signature(rating,message) there?

07:35

anyway, a p2p cryptographically secure wot is a good project for someone competent an' ambitious. good way to get on my wot list at any rate.

07:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.52 = 6.76 BTC [+]

07:37

mircea_popescu: how would that btc clickbank you mentioned work? surely not a marketplace for crappy infoproducts

07:37

mircea_popescu, moiety: http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg updated

07:38

punkman if i had any idea how to make it so it doesn't suck i'd be looking for it people not domain experts.

07:38

but alas...

07:38

ok..

07:39

so here is a working version of what i talked about earlier

07:39

# host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1

07:39

mircea_popescu: I'll give it some thought then, I have like 9-10 years of experience in aff things

07:39

naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IGnKD8UQ5/AaWadgGc3aIQ5q9EmgxuF+Vw+F4SSYkB9R+TAVzvnDq+fTZql08JEWrRLlTCReF3lTQAtea66zv5A="

07:40

punkman where did yo uwork ? doing what ?

07:40

signature includes DNSSEC KSK key

07:40

# host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1

07:40

DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==

07:40

mircea_popescu: just selling other people's stuff, using a lot of these marketplaces and networks and whatnot

07:40

and all records are signed

07:40

BitNews responded to the points I raised re: their SeedCoin II fundraising - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587908.0 - "Thank you for your feedback. We’ll take your comments on board and carry on! Don’t stay tuned for now. We’ll keep you posted when appropriate."

07:41

fluffypony lmao the ineptitude.

07:41

punkman a, i c. well, can't hurt.

07:41

Naphex what happens if i replace both records ?

07:42

you should be validating requests before, so if you mitm the serv requests would fail

07:42

ideally you could just save the KSK

07:42

and trust it

07:44

creating a dns alias would go like this 1.get your server's pub ksk, 2. sign message of domain dnssec-ksk, 3. add record containing issuer

07:48

TagPesa responded well to my criticisms. I actually hope they accomplish what they want to in spite of their involvement with SeedScam.

07:49

never trust an aussie

07:49

they've been behind so many bitcoin scams

07:50

VanCleef: well I won't be plugging any funds into SeedCoin, but I do think that the TagPesa guy at least has some idea of what he's doing

07:50

http://pastebin.com/nGVC7rNz dig output, with dnssec

07:50

# dig +dnssec +multi @pluto.btcxchange.ro txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro - Pastebin.com

07:50

unfortunately like most startups they're hungry for investment so they can get going

07:50

which leads to deals with "incubators"

07:50

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/249ix0/accounting_for_the_amazing_company_the/ lol pankkake your reputation is ahead of you

07:50

AMAZING COMPANY!

07:50

Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. : Bitcoin

07:50

hmmm

07:51

VanCleef: yeah, we have a reputation for that :\

07:51

pankkake is "Popescu's co-troll"? I didn't know it was a shared position

07:51

how do I apply to be part of the Troll Board?

07:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16967 @ 0.00097388 = 16.5238 BTC [-] {2}

07:53

plz reup me

07:53

when its over

07:53

you are already, and i hereby anoint you to the Most Noble MPEx Trolls Order

07:53

yay

07:54

!up VanCleef

07:54

Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.

07:55

thanks bud

08:00

Naphex im sure, validate requests before what ?

08:01

o look at that, pankkake we're cotrolls now.

08:01

i wonder what that means.

08:02

and i wonder if sukrim ever sat down and calculated how much he has lost to date, since his derpy "hai i r glbse investoar" days.

08:02

it must be over 99%, but i'm curious if it's more like 99.99% or what.

08:03

mircea_popescu: so the zonefile is signed, pub key published. addresses sign domain alias and domain pub key. alias gets published

08:03

if you want to verify if the certian address was authenticated, you can

08:03

published where ?

08:03

DNS

08:06

so i'm dns, i replace all of them.

08:06

if you don't resign the zone, it's invalid

08:06

by whichever dns resolves it

08:07

where does client acquire signature ?

08:07

i mean, pubkey ?

08:08

pub key directory, from service site, or from dns

08:10

1 way, # host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro

08:10

addresses.btcxchange.ro has DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==

08:10

and now they can just get it from bitcoin-assets log

08:10

so from dns.

08:11

well yes, now they can, because you've leveraged the public forum to strengthen the wot.

08:11

but my point is narrower : that no wot can stand on its own. one of the manyt reasons pki is broken by design, not the most visible one but quite fundamental.

08:11

and it also goes to jurov's q as to the diff between pki and nanowot.

08:11

just meant to be viable

08:11

i.e if you an send to deposits.mpex.co

08:12

and you keep your own dns, your own zonefile

08:12

and the datavalidates, it can easily show green on a client

08:12

green - for full check, approved key

08:12

yellow for whatever, and other color codes

08:13

what's color codes to do with anything tho ?

08:13

i couldn't need a dns less : you know where to send funds becasuse yu get a gpg signed deposit slip.

08:13

dns serves no useful purpose for mpex.

08:15

color codes - for clients that maybe want to implement name2address resolve

08:16

type the name instead of the address, color that input bar on the security of the answer

08:20

you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you.

08:22

lol not at all

08:22

but if you get a shitty response, or at mitm'd something should be displayed

08:23

<mircea_popescu> you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you. // I concur

08:24

not like it's a bad thing.

08:24

I should hire him to do some ux improvements for x-bt

08:24

i think his current owner may track you down and shoot you if you do that.

08:25

noted

08:26

lol

08:34

Owner? - sounds like SS did a bad job;]

08:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00097668 = 26.5169 BTC [+] {3}

08:47

Naphex hehe

08:52

!up Dimsler

08:52

Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.

08:52

man i can't believe how expensive eastern europe got

08:52

its like west germany prices for everything

08:52

yeah.

08:53

it's crazy.

08:53

but with shitty infrastructure and inconvenience

08:53

just bought some pairs of under

08:53

$11usd a pair

08:53

crazy to the max

08:54

because my land scapper still works for $3 an hour

08:54

i have no idea how the locals are affording things at this point

08:54

me either.

08:54

gas right ? it's like 10 dollars a liter.

08:54

yeah i know

08:54

yet there's people driving around. how the fuck, their min wage is 1.25 an hour

08:54

i filled up in stuttgart before leaving for krakow

08:55

gas? where?

08:55

and it was 200euro fill up

08:55

work 8 hours to the liter ? wtf.

08:55

yes

08:55

but yet they drive. it's beyond me.

08:55

here's $2.5 a liter, and it's one of most expansive

08:55

yes no idea

08:55

italy is most expensive

08:55

jurov sorry i meant gallon

08:55

it's like 2.5 a liter, which comes to about 10 a gallon

08:55

well i mean DE has no min wage

08:56

i would have assumed btc adoption in eastern europe woul dhave been easy

08:57

since everyone is already cheating taxes to the max

08:57

but it looks like many are quite apprehensive

08:57

because they've also been scammed to the max.

08:57

yes

08:57

the instant rebuttle i get here

08:57

is the amway pyramid scheme

08:57

soon as i mention btc

08:58

Dimsler i have people following me on twitter that still derp about how it's a scam or w/e.

08:58

!up Anon29486307

08:58

Voicing Anon29486307 for 30 minutes.

08:59

well i mean who cares if its a scam or not

08:59

if you're using it to trasnfer money

08:59

like you can make claims if its a scam or not if you plan on settling up in btc

09:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06726382 = 0.2691 BTC [-] {2}

09:00

it's very strange, the same sort of partial thinking keeps people inside the grinder in, on both ends.

09:00

forum "investors" keep investing, fiat consumers keep fiating... it's uncanny.

09:01

need to focus on criminals

09:01

they are the most important element

09:01

lets be realisitc

09:02

who were the first people to use cars?

09:02

hm ?

09:02

bank robbers

09:02

that's not true in any sense.

09:02

yes it is

09:02

the first people to use cars were the rich.

09:02

last 8-9 months of btc run up

09:02

the same people who do yachting competitions.

09:02

has been carders

09:02

drug dealers

09:02

eh get out.

09:02

online criminal

09:02

that's such nonsense.

09:03

lol have you not watched the bitcoin atm news cast?

09:03

there was an old lady standing inline

09:03

they asked her why she was buying bitcoins

09:03

and she told everyone it was to unlock her family photos on her computer

09:03

anecdotes are worth about five satoshi each. get a million, maybe it matters.

09:03

lol

09:03

meanwhile, the same sort of bullshit was being peddled about silkroad

09:03

oh, bitcoin is based on silkroad.

09:03

and then... silkroad went away... nobody noticed.

09:04

total bullshit

09:04

criminals don't matter here for the same reason they don't matter irl. if they had any sense they'd find better use of their time.

09:04

now i know where all the bad looks come from, ever since i bought a new car

09:04

then where are the instritional investors then?

09:04

petty crime is perhaps (with the exception of an academic career) the worst fucking choice someone could make

09:04

Dimsler apparently nowhere in your horizon.

09:04

or, for that matter, in the horizon of the conference derps.

09:05

why's this surprising to anyone (other than those derps) is beyond me.

09:05

conference derps are losers

09:05

they believe bitcoin is going to grow

09:05

with a bunch of nerrds

09:05

buying $100

09:05

and holding it

09:05

worth

09:05

well what's the problem wit hthat ?

09:06

the fact that those people are just noise

09:06

they don't add any value

09:06

who knows, maybe among them are some who can add value, and will.

09:06

> You are a rude bastard. No wonder I smelt a rat. If Your attitude is an example of your support You will not have many happy customers. Glad I emailed you. Saved me a lot of trouble.

09:06

in what sense?

09:06

be remaking technology to support bitcoin

09:06

and calling it new and fresh?

09:06

kakobrekla what'd you say ?

09:07

the emails i get.

09:07

Dimsler some make their way here and then contribute significantly.

09:07

kakobrekla yea but what did you say to get that email ? "hello" ?

09:07

need more criminals

09:07

utilizing he system

09:07

criminals, outliers,

09:07

these are the people who will et btc grow

09:07

tax cheats

09:07

porn sites need it

09:07

oh yes

09:07

porn gambling

09:07

well, not to go into full detail, but my previous email did include: > I am a member of local cheese making club, I am interested in free cake and no taxes.

09:08

the conference derps don't understand that they get paid in fiat

09:08

pay taxes in fiat

09:08

lol.

09:08

mircea_popescu: build a succession of spacious yurts... when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old << this is 'cheney's algorithm' for semispace garbage collection. i've always wanted to implement it in meatspace.

09:08

and settle in fiat

09:08

so i dunno what confused him.

09:08

GEORGE: Look at these salesmen. The only thing these guys fear is the walk-out. No matter what they say, you say, "Ill walk out of here right now!"

09:08

(A salesman approaches)

09:08

SALESMAN: Can I help you with something?

09:08

GEORGE: (Threatening) Hold it! One more step and were walkin!

09:08

JERRY: (Scolding) George. (To salesman) Sorry, were just waiting for David Puddy.

09:08

GEORGE: (Still with a tone) He is. You dont know what Im doin here.

09:08

kakobrekla: lol, isn't customer service fun?

09:08

lol that was a good episode

09:09

was that when they were buying the saab?

09:09

asciilifeform i know. i think it's a neat idea. if i ever make a tech park, that's how i'll run it.

09:09

Dimsler yea

09:10

lol

09:10

ate georges twix

09:11

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03446977 = 0.1379 BTC [+] {2}

09:12

mircea_popescu: 500 bucks ... open land in patagonia << once i crack the puzzle of what to eat - and where to plug in - at patagonia (or timisoara, or antarctica, or mars) - there i'll be.

09:12

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03950008 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}

09:12

http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 < i must say i fucking love that response.

09:12

A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:12

fluffypony very.

09:12

asciilifeform ideally, esp in patagonia (or mongolia) we could have a specially trained pack of hunting women.

09:13

they spend their day horseriding and shooting everything that moves.

09:13

or of... colocolos

09:13

nah.

09:13

'desktop sized' cats have been trained to bring back hares, etc. before.

09:14

yeah

09:14

this is like the people who spend 5 years to train their dog to get their newspaper.

09:14

but gold <> money

09:14

getting all the newspapers in a lifetime doesn't take an aggregate of 5 years.

09:14

lol sounds like an argument against perl.

09:14

exaclty is.

09:15

better have women hunters than train cats.

09:18

i don't believe in evicerating the proliteriate

09:18

but they do it to themselves

09:18

the who ?

09:19

the pre-literate? (typo, but good one)

09:20

proletariat

09:20

excuse my spelling long day

09:21

rape the labourier?

09:21

orwell anyone?

09:28

mew

09:28

set my client to flash at colocolos also

09:28

desk-top sized cats? yes please. will pay in muffins

09:29

mine are too stupid to train

09:43

http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/sorrynotsorry i love brewdog

09:43

#SorryNotSorry

09:45

moiety: did you see my mock up?

09:46

not yet fluffypony im catching up with everything, is it linked in here?

09:46

moiety: yeah way upz - http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg

09:47

omg that is epic

09:47

have you ever seen the fiat manul coins? they don't have good pics on them. i love the nyar pic

09:47

lol

09:48

aw i wish this was a thing

09:49

we should make it a thing

09:49

ask TAT

09:50

i looked into it, coingen.io is qute expensive and im not technical enough for making algos myself

09:50

i kind of need to figure out a house before i play with this

09:51

don't worry

09:51

"writing" a coin doesn't involve much effort

09:51

a bit of search and replace, change a couple of constants, and then the genesis block

09:58

fluffypony: https://coinsboutique.com/content/silver-coins-manul-1-oz-silver-coin-antique-finish-mongolia-2014

09:58

punkman: aaaand now I have nightmares

10:00

only 2500 of these

10:01

seems out of stock everywhere

10:01

http://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/36009-500_Manat_Pallas_Cat-Wildlife_Series-Turkmenistan these ones aren't but you need to get the full set

10:02

that's not as interesting-looking

10:03

ah there's a bunch on ebay

10:03

that cat looks like a pussy, moiety

10:03

fake-ul

10:07

lol fake-ul

10:07

the nyar face captures the essense of manul-nature, i feel

10:08

the Turkmenistani coin could just be any cat really

10:10

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg6451201#msg6451201

10:10

[Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?

10:10

o wow, that still going ?

10:11

"Like you say, this has manipulation written all over it. That is the only way to make it work - there is no chance a freely operating system like this would make it past a few weeks before going bankrupt. "

10:11

uh.

10:12

it's amazing how they seem to understand everything in the opposite way

10:12

AMAZING COMPANY!

10:12

i like how you keep them fires stoked lol

10:13

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/mpex-co-the-scientology-of-bitcoin-finance.198675/page-18#post-5898499

10:13

[Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? | Page 18 | Bitcointa.lk

10:13

im a total lambchop fan.

10:13

"I got my 0.01 btc investment out of neobee long ago."

10:14

that will buy you a share?!

10:15

funny thing being... where were all those muppets when btc was 1.2k and mpex was mkt value over 1bn

10:15

400mn seems such pocket change

10:16

have they switched from calling you mirceau to marcel?

10:16

https://twitter.com/georgiemark/status/461142659466543105/photo/1

10:16

Twitter / georgiemark: I knew it. #Havelock #investments ...

10:17

i thought i was marcel

10:20

i see no such spam

10:21

i see it.

10:21

you were supposed to reload the page.

10:21

lol.

10:21

:D

10:21

mike_c i think it's different people

10:22

BCB indeed.

10:22

mircea_popescu, somethings rotten in Denmark

10:23

you know, this was not a secret in any sense.

10:24

*

moiety has made the move to forum.lk

10:24

mircea_popescu, I never followed it much. But the Voorhees SEC inquery is interesting

10:25

US has control of Gox DB, Trendon Shavers Transactions, SR DB, I'd imagine they have would would like to add Satoshi Dice data to their collection.

10:26

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067 = 1.005 BTC [+]

10:26

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571863 etc

10:27

#bitcoin-assets log

10:27

BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger.

10:28

mircea_popescu, not the Users db

10:28

there wasn't a users db.

10:28

mircea_popescu, not the buyers info

10:28

*nor

10:28

mircea_popescu:BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger. --- dammit i signed in just to say this

10:28

ThickAsThieves yw :)

10:28

was reading logs offline

10:28

:)

10:29

You boys are so clever

10:29

BCB you mean who the mysterious buyer was when vorhees had it delisted ?

10:29

mircea_popescu, That's obviously one person of interest. "he" obviously bought several bitcoin gaming sites.

10:29

anyway, everyone has control of the gox db. it was haxt, remember ?

10:30

lol http://bitbet.us/bet/822/googles-self-driving-car-to-have-an-accident/

10:30

and to judge by the published trendon shavers proceedings... he apparently (inadvertently ?) destroyed some data

10:30

i found the shavers testimony to be a fun read

10:30

BCB wait, how's that obviously work ?

10:30

nice balance between trolling and idiocy

10:31

ThickAsThieves yeah, tardstalk meets legalspeak.

10:31

ThickAsThieves, that was a hoot. I was shocked someone so stupid was so successful at his scam

10:31

mircea_popescu, not the complete contents

10:31

well, the forum makes it easy

10:31

mircea_popescu, the numbers on the had info do not add up. It is missing early data and the final three months

10:32

ThickAsThieves, obviously

10:33

SEC probly got a complaint, and now they probly also wanna know if Voorhees is still running it

10:33

missing the final three months ?

10:33

cuz gambling iz bad, unless you are a state

10:33

then you can print scratchers and race dogs

10:33

or if you are red you can casino

10:34

drives me crazy seeing "state lottery" billboards

10:34

like seriously, wtf

10:34

gambling is bad in that it threatens to empower whoever's doing it.

10:35

it's also an inauditable scam

10:35

(state lottery)

10:36

exactly.

10:36

the provably fair thing will sink fiat gambling, only, they don't know it yet.

10:37

do you think that it's just moving the goal posts though?

10:38

being that the secret key is still a leak

10:38

notrly. or how do you mean ?

10:38

i don't follow.

10:38

well the host knows the key right?

10:38

and can win at will

10:39

nah.

10:39

this may allow some forms of provably fair, but many creative ways to game that otherwise

10:39

you can do it like jd does it

10:39

that's actually pf.

10:39

I agree with ThickAsThieves - I think "provably fair" often means "proving that there are winners and losers"

10:39

dooglus can't steal?

10:39

not from the players.

10:39

mircea_popescu, the gox ddb dump ends 2013-11-30

10:40

BCB yours or mine ?

10:40

explain to me what structure prevents dooglus from rolling a win at will?

10:41

please :)

10:41

HAH HAH - davout - apparently you're paying the forum moderators to cockblock bitcoinbourse: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.msg6454635#msg6454635

10:42

is it feasible to somehow decentralize the key?

10:43

or maybe I'm missing how dooglus has already done this somehow?

10:43

no, he can indeed win at will

10:43

and said so himself

10:44

pankkake, are you a troll for hire

10:44

and clearly is doing so. investors only made 4% in april! scamz.

10:44

thus as it stands right now provably fair is "provably making payments", not provably fair in the absolute sense

10:44

well maybe they made 5%

10:44

and they just dont know it!

10:44

BCB: was, and the offer is now closed, and was never taken

10:44

ThickAsThieves there's this user secret.

10:44

but, ThickAsThieves, it doesn't matter

10:44

playing roughly the role of the salt in a hash

10:45

so dooglus is skimming (which he's not i'm sure). who cares?

10:45

investors still got 4%

10:45

I was thinking of a gambling system where the key is the next block hash

10:45

mike_c thats kinda a wtf argument to the topic

10:45

but that means waiting for the results

10:45

the point being, i am not investing in the code. i am investing in dooglus. and he returned 4% in april.

10:45

pankkake yeah a new zooko triangle is emerging

10:46

ok but whether its a good investment isnt the topic

10:46

ThickAsThieves actually that's a valid approach, mike_c's. i'd just like to explore the provably fair angle, from bettors prespective

10:46

investors is a diff story

10:46

the topic is whether provably fair is provably a fiat gambling killer

10:47

or just a new strain

10:47

dignork

ThickAsThieves: when dooglus places a long list of winning bets, who is the loosing side?

10:47

ThickAsThieves so you familiar with how jd does it ?

10:47

not in contrast to Sdice, no

10:47

;;gettrust assbot the20year

10:47

Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never

10:47

ThickAsThieves look in his faq, it's explained there.

10:47

you can add your own seed to his.

10:47

i told 20year to grow up and wot

10:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00097663 = 43.9972 BTC [-] {2}

10:47

he'd have to crack yours to make a self-serving secret

10:47

which then would not work with other players'

10:48

cause he is constrained by only having one server secret

10:48

um, actually each player gets their own server secret

10:48

pretty sure

10:48

is that to say, it is 100% fair for the bettor

10:48

which you can change at any time

10:48

but

10:48

mike_c that's YOURS

10:48

that dooglus can steal from investors still?

10:48

no, the server one

10:48

but server also has one. his.

10:49

you can 'randomize' and get a new server secret anytime

10:49

well either i seriously misunderstood this or else you did.

10:49

ThickAsThieves: exactly

10:49

i vote you :)

10:49

dooglus set us straight ?

10:49

so the excercise should change to

10:49

the point is that you can verify at will (instead of having to wait a day)

10:49

you change the server secret, and he shows you the old one

10:49

design a provably fair casino that cant steal from anyone

10:50

mike_c hm

10:50

maybe he changed the system ?

10:50

i only eval'd it once, when he was starting up.

10:50

ThickAsThieves that may be impossible.

10:50

but this doesn't break anything. because you can change your secret after the server secret is set.

10:51

for example, if "state lottery" takes up "provably" fair

10:51

mike_c you're confusing me.

10:51

things are actually WORSE for the US

10:51

ThickAsThieves why ?

10:51

cuz gov can steal earnings at will

10:51

diverting them where they like

10:51

how ?

10:51

ok, you get the hash for server secret. you want a new server secret? click a button and it generates a new one, shows you the new hash, and shows you the old secret.

10:51

now you can set your own client seed

10:52

bam, provably fair

10:52

RIGHT! so there are in fact two.

10:52

yes.

10:52

aite.

10:52

but you're saying server has a hash for each guy rather than one for all guys

10:52

right

10:52

but you can see the old hash at will.

10:52

yup

10:52

and you can change your hash but server is not allowed to change its

10:52

yes, unless you tell it to

10:52

except if you ask it to show it to you, then it always does.

10:52

right.

10:53

these two have the same effect.

10:53

you would need a secret that can not be known in advance by anyone (bettors and investors), but that would be revealed shortly after the bets. so far I only see future block hashes

10:53

pankkake that's open to miner manipulation rly.

10:53

yes, but it has a cost. miners would have to discard their own blocks to win

10:53

ThickAsThieves so as constructed, jd can't steal from players.

10:53

but can from investors

10:54

it may, of course, steal from investors (ie, if the player and the casino collude)

10:54

pankkake true.

10:54

though, I was thinking of tweaking it: you have a secret server key still, and the key used to compute the bet result would be secret+lastblock

10:54

salty fairness

10:54

pankkake mike_c is working on something based on that principle

10:54

was demo'd at conference

10:54

nice

10:54

i think will open for a close beta soonish

10:55

or close for an open beta

10:55

it'll be out before cardano :D

10:55

or something

10:55

hehe

10:55

sounds like a challenge!

10:55

or a bet

10:56

still, you would have to wait for a block for the result

10:56

white house logic: "Disclosing a vulnerability can mean that we forego an opportunity to collect crucial intelligence that could thwart a terrorist attack, stop the theft of our nation’s intellectual property, or even discover more dangerous vulnerabilities that are being used by hackers or other adversaries to exploit our networks,"

10:56

leave it vulnerable so we can protect it!

10:57

so investors would have to chose between less volume yet provably fair, vs. more volume but maybe some stealth stealing

10:57

that is the tradeoff i have ended up at. although less volume is not necessarily the result, but slower action, yes.

10:58

mircea_popescu: i wish you had a tag on trilema for articles about being so stupid you don't know how stupid you are

10:58

the lottery is slow but gets lots of volume for instance

10:58

waiting can be part of the fun

10:58

you being the woodchipper lemmings

10:58

!jd mpif

10:58

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29221206 BTC

11:00

am i correct in assuming mpif wont be for sale until afte rthe first month of action?

11:03

thestringpuller lol

11:03

ThickAsThieves nah, it'll sell after the first report.

11:03

nobody has to buy it tho.

11:04

uhh

11:04

first report being before may 5?

11:05

yes

11:06

word

11:06

seemsmore reasonable this way. if someone judges it prudent to wait a month, or six or sixty, they can

11:06

Google made a motherboard: https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z131sxrjvwb5hl1xb04chx2ampiaijcaei0

11:06

but if someone judges it unnecessary, well, they're not stuck with the rest.

11:07

ThickAsThieves what ws your blog again ?

11:08

devilwearsbitcoin

11:08

http://devilsadvocate.biz/

11:08

lol

11:08

The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be.

11:08

ty

11:09

possibly worst sort of biz idea that, devlin advocacy.

11:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00463934 = 0.2737 BTC [+]

11:09

good thing i dont plan to make any money from it

11:09

on purpose at least

11:10

!up the20year

11:10

Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.

11:11

the20year, as i hinted i wont voice people that should already know better

11:14

what'd he do

11:14

;;ident the20year

11:14

Nick 'the20year', with hostmask 'the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None

11:14

he's the RENT guy

11:14

been around like a year

11:15

;;gettrust assbot the20year

11:15

Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never

11:15

and been voiced a handful of days since the change

11:15

weird

11:16

it's time for him to get auth'd properly

11:16

oh, no ratings at all! not even from mrstickball!

11:16

in my elitist opinion

11:16

well, he can't up himself if no one rates him

11:16

oh lol, I thought thestringpuller was the RENT guy

11:16

maybe someone here owns some RENT and is happy about it?

11:18

a he got himself into the wot huh. cool.

11:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0344999 = 0.483 BTC [+] {3}

11:18

i'd give him a point for his diligence and seemingly running a Havelock asset better than most, but the more recent terms of his 3POs and such kinda make me hesitant

11:18

I gotta give him a rating shortly. For some reason, he never bothered with garnering a lot of trust via OTC

11:18

how did that work in the end ?

11:19

kakobrekla: you have finally shamed me into fixing my comment approval system. there will be no more spammers on btcalpha.

11:19

it's still going

11:19

they shut off trading for like a month

11:19

new offering was at much higher than market value

11:19

but someone conviently bought it up

11:19

not based on usd, which is what our fund is denominated in

11:19

conveniently

11:20

mike_c it was a private /notice so you only shamed yourself now :p

11:20

well, RENT is openly fiat business, so I wouldn't consider it bad to not be bitcoin-profitable

11:20

i already get spam on my blog...

11:20

HL sends me daily sales reports, if I felt like it I could post them showing who bought the shares

11:20

I have no spam on my blog

11:20

disqus = love

11:20

if you felt like it?

11:20

lol

11:20

i have little spam on bitbet

11:20

;;google site:trilema.com woodchipper

11:20

The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/mpoe-january-2014-statement>; Notorious M.P. layin down that subliminal shit, na mean ? pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/notorious-mp-layin-down-that- (1 more message)

11:20

math = hard

11:20

kakobrekla: well, public shamings work better anyway :)

11:20

fluffypony: disqus = evil

11:20

pankkake: for comments does it matter?

11:21

fluffypony: you use disqus? so you are also shaming yourself.

11:21

mike_c: I hate all the comment plugins for jekyll

11:21

what is jerky?

11:21

disqus is the easiest way for me to have comments without dicking around for 2 days with unsupported plugins

11:22

kakobrekla: https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll

11:22

Correct

11:22

it generates static html from markdown, basically

11:22

so very low impact on the server, as nginx just ends up serving stuff that's cached in memory

11:23

;;gettrust the20year

11:23

Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user the20year: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014

11:23

I'll eventually switch to a static blog with (automated) comments by mail

11:23

but for now I'm happy with the lesser evils of wordpress

11:24

do you get like millions of hits per day or are cpu cycles that expensive there?

11:24

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 160 @ 0.00084993 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2}

11:24

the server is mining in the background, so extra cpu costs him btc.

11:24

pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus

11:24

suggested experiment: only accept pgp-signed comments.

11:24

at least I have full control of the content!

11:24

mike_c perhaps mining, but without him knowing

11:24

handily abolishes user registration, 'avatars', all that crap

11:24

only reason i havent put disqus on mine is cuz mp hate sit

11:24

and probably shoots spammers dead.

11:25

asciilifeform: definitively. or at least auto-mod them

11:25

this reminds me of Ukyo saying he cant post to assbot because its too much network traffic

11:26

usernames (displayed on blog) would link to wot.

11:26

and I don't like the anti spam ways of using javascript. websites should be fully usable without

11:26

call it 'web 0.0' or something.

11:26

you know PGP identities can be pictures :)

11:27

ahah, web 0.0 I like it

11:27

pankkake: identities are keys.

11:27

pankkake: I have control over the content? you can turn off that advertising thingy where they show similar content

11:27

I really want to start a movement of anti-web things

11:27

if key signs a photo, sure, display it if you feel like it

11:27

fluffypony: I mean, it's in my own database. on my machine.

11:27

pankkake: ah ok, I get what you're saying

11:28

you also get fine-grained moderation for free

11:28

that is, basic level - only accept comments from folks in wot

11:28

next, arsebot-style filter

11:28

!up owner

11:28

Voicing owner for 30 minutes.

11:29

kakobrekla: the server it's hosted on hosts a bunch of our local sites that are heavily trafficked, so I keep it purposely low-impact

11:29

<fluffypony> pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus << why not ?!

11:29

plus I *hate* WP

11:29

numerisTrade

hi bitcoin-assets

11:29

not like 8 bux gives you power to run infinite* number of blogs

11:29

wordpress is PHP. and you have to keep that shit up to date, too

11:29

<pankkake> I really want to start a movement of anti-web things << join the queue!

11:29

mircea_popescu: because WP is so badly written...I wrote a plugin for it years ago, and that was honestly the most painful experience in shitty PHP coding

11:30

kakobrekla: not locally, unfortunately

11:30

pankkake trilema runs wp 1.8 i think ?

11:30

lol, never got hacked?

11:30

no nm 2.7

11:30

never.

11:30

though most holes lately require access to wp-admin

11:31

fluffypony: you should see wikimedia. amazingly it is worse than wordpress.

11:31

AMAZING COMPANY!

11:31

mediawiki you mean

11:31

yeah

11:31

but yeah, what a fucking mess

11:31

mike_c: I can imagine, we'll put it on the list of broken things I don't want to touch

11:31

mediawiki is god awful yes

11:32

but tbh i think wp only became broken after 2.x

11:32

I hate the new admin interface

11:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03450063 = 0.345 BTC [+] {3}

11:32

though it has an API, so I could post/edit from somewhere else easily

11:32

bounce

there's a baseline guaranteed brokenness courtesy php, though

11:32

this should be funny, wu tang fans trying to scrape together $5m to buy the promo album coming out (only one copy to exist) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wu-tang-disciples-unite-for-once-upon-a-time-in-shaolin#home

11:33

I wonder if there's a request on what.cd

11:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03495131 = 0.1398 BTC [+] {4}

11:33

pankkake i could too, via email, in wp of 2008

11:33

never have.

11:34

kakobrekla: $95/month for a E3-1270 V2 @ 3.50GHz, 8gb RAM, 2x 1tb eSATA drives, and 1tb of traffic

11:34

*shafted*

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0349999 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8}

11:34

hopefully when mrstickball he can grab decent BW on the fiber that runs right next to the complex and start renting servers or some such

11:34

*when mrstickball gets his warehouse

11:35

won't help me unless he gets a warehouse in South Africa :-P

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0349999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {4}

11:35

https://i.imgur.com/xeRwL7W.png we'll see. after all, what.cd leaked Microsoft COFEE

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03504882 = 0.3154 BTC [+] {9}

11:37

that thing is no longer up, was a fake i guess

11:37

move to Ohio and you can share

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0389999 = 0.39 BTC [-] {10}

11:37

mrstickball: lol

11:37

put in some injection moulding machines and start a company

11:37

we'll have plenty of room and electric

11:37

ah nvm its a request

11:38

im retarded as usual.

11:38

I like parts of the US and a handful of the people there, but not enough to move there

11:38

kakobrekla: what.cd eventually removed COFEE though, feared legal problems or something

11:38

yes

11:38

too much heat.

11:38

like some trackers ban advance copies

11:39

kakobrekla: figurative or literal?

11:39

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03543992 = 0.2126 BTC [+] {4}

11:40

retarded? literally.

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03543999 = 0.4253 BTC [+] {6}

11:41

kakobrekla: was a joke, yo - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=heat&defid=1506287

11:41

ah, sorry, im not from the ghetto.

11:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0389999 = 0.624 BTC [-] {8}

11:41

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1819 @ 0.00085596 = 1.557 BTC [+] {7}

11:41

:-P

11:42

http://bitcoin.mit.edu/announcing-the-mit-bitcoin-project/

11:42

Announcing the MIT Bitcoin Project | MIT Bitcoin Club

11:42

they wanna see what happens

11:42

ThickAsThieves: yeah read that earlier, it's an interesting experiment

11:42

maybe bitbet that 80% of it ends up with 20% of the people?

11:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0389999 = 0.273 BTC [-] {4}

11:42

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 6000 @ 0.00088159 = 5.2895 BTC [+] {24}

11:42

or the like

11:43

good thing they didn't make MITcoin

11:43

lol

11:43

this is "we decided to make this half a million into nothing"

11:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0389999 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3}

11:43

you cant do shit with 100$.

11:44

so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc

11:44

"$110 off your student loan!"

11:44

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.039 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}

11:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]

11:44

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 191 @ 0.00088879 = 0.1698 BTC [+] {2}

11:45

<punkman> so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc <<

11:45

i vote "a charity to get more women into gayness"

11:45

no wait.

11:45

into tech i meant.

11:45

Suicide Help Line

11:45

We accept BTC!

11:46

"Stop being a pussy. Have a nice day!"

11:46

so I was making a little cli interface for Namecheap, and they want me to login on the website and approve my IP address for API access every time it changes

11:46

maybe "how to use a battery to light a bulb, wearethepremieretechandblablainstitutionintheworld" ?

11:46

punkman this is fashionable nowadays.

11:46

useful API

11:46

[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 600 @ 0.001 = 0.6 BTC

11:46

but don't they email ?

11:47

punkman: proxy requests through a box with a fixed IP?

11:48

fluffypony: well yeah I guess, or make a bot that goes and approves the IP before it tries to do anything

11:48

I'd rather keep my NC password on my local box only

11:48

ok but if you're just proxying requests you keep everything locally?

11:49

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC

11:50

punkman: ala the little php snipped in http://trilema.com/2013/a-little-bit-of-ddos/ but forward proxying instead of reverse

11:51

mircea_popescu: where is Wywiał writing?

11:52

mircea_popescu: do you remember that email asciilifeform passed you

11:52

an old flame war of sorts but it had a good quote in it

11:52

having trouble finding it in logs

11:53

benkay trilema comments atm

11:53

thestringpuller um not sure ?

11:53

mircea_popescu: ah i was wondering if the gentleman had his own outlet

11:53

it talked about professionalism and how one doesn't care if the mechanic's dog died earlier that day

11:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDaZsgR5zg 200$ and you get to crack the egg

11:53

etc.

11:53

not a big deal

11:53

like never before

11:53

<mircea_popescu> on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. << not a fan of multisig?

11:55

benkay kinda why i was suggesting he blog.

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 621 @ 0.07261664 = 45.0949 BTC [+] {55}

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.039 = 0.624 BTC [+]

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72062530 BTC to 7`551 shares, 36030 satoshi per share

12:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08 = 0.88 BTC [+]

12:02

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 225 @ 0.00088893 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}

12:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.08 = 8.88 BTC [+]

12:03

http://geekologie.com/2014/04/18/pizza-cake.jpg

12:03

lol, 'Merkan food

12:04

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08 = 4 BTC [+]

12:07

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1914 @ 0.0001238 = 0.237 BTC [+]

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.08 = 11.6 BTC [+] {3}

12:09

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [+] {2}

12:10

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.08 = 3.12 BTC [+]

12:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 201 @ 0.073 = 14.673 BTC [-] {4}

12:12

wow @ PETA

12:12

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07009951 = 1.5422 BTC [-] {3}

12:12

!up JorgePasada

12:12

Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.

12:12

Man, so bummed there's no meetup tonight

12:12

no get together?

12:12

5th Tuesday of the Month

12:12

Hurts my brain just seeing that in writing

12:13

It's 1st and 3rd Tuesday

12:13

Not every other week

12:13

So we're in a weird 'leap week'

12:14

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07000001 = 2.8 BTC [-] {4}

12:15

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-]

12:15

oh.

12:16

Yep

12:17

random_cat_: nothing doing tonight

12:26

!up donpillou

12:26

Voicing donpillou for 30 minutes.

12:26

donpillou

yay!

12:29

ThickAsThieves http://trilema.com/2014/dating-online-an-inquest/

12:29

donpillou who're you

12:29

JorgePasada lol bad luck.

12:30

donpillou

i'm a random guy from the internets

12:30

ah i c.

12:30

All my friends keep trying to get me on OkCupid

12:30

I'd like to say it's because I'm taking a principled stand against online dating

12:31

but if you have friends already...

12:31

but really it's because I'm just lazy

12:31

Yeah that too

12:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00463935 = 0.1763 BTC [+]

12:31

what triggered for me was that i was walking through a park yest, and there was this lonely kinda strange tall lanky black haired guy

12:31

Meet people IRL?

12:31

Nah

12:31

sort-of amir taaki-esque

12:31

who was fiddling with the camera to get it to sit up so it'll take his picture

12:31

by himself.

12:32

it was just him and the crows, which were also playing with sticks and items in a similar figety manner

12:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00463949 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {2}

12:32

and i thought to myself... here's a crow, that has no friends, but through the use of technology will make itself a profile, and put it online

12:32

and then have friends.

12:32

solitude is an incredible thing.

12:32

Haha

12:33

That's slightly depressing

12:33

think : the guy doesn't even have ONE friend to take his picture.

12:33

beats the "pot to piss in" by a large margin.

12:33

can someone explain to me why i bother with the forum. I have no idea.

12:34

must really enjoy subjecting yourself to mental anguish, moiety

12:34

children are the bane of my existence

12:34

and you don't even have any!

12:34

IK!

12:34

i like solitude and re profiles, they are getting banned or i delete them.

12:34

gimma a shotgun pls

12:34

wouldn't you prefer a cane?

12:35

nah i have no time for that. shotgun + face + close range = can get on with other things nao thx

12:35

you need to hone your glare. shotgun's unnecessary.

12:35

mircea_popescu: did you offer to help him take his picture?

12:35

children need to feel the scourge of others opinions early.

12:36

fluffypony no.

12:36

benkay: it's like explaining to brick walls though

12:36

i don't mind children with ears and half a brain

12:37

moiety: Eh, just ignore them.

12:37

although, that being said, actually curating a good community and good content

12:37

is getting harder every september

12:38

either that or we're just getting lazier/stupider/etc

12:38

don't explain things to them, that's teaching and takes time. just glare and kill their ego with your disapproval.

12:39

JorgePasada: community has nothing to do with content

12:40

benkay: Disagree

12:40

mircea_popescu: what does 'switch' mean? re the piecharts

12:40

moiety will play either way.

12:41

ah ty

12:41

mind you, JorgePasada, i'm talking about a real community of humans who get together and derp on a patch of dirt for potatoes or tomatoes during the day and sing and drink at night

12:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1485 BTC [-]

12:42

the kind comprised of adults that'd socialize budding humans not poorly.

12:42

benkay: Yeah, I mean we need more of that for sure. But hell, a lot of my very close friends I only interact with online

12:42

!up JorgePasada

12:42

Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.

12:42

I think the problem is when that's the ONLY way you interact with people.

12:43

I really gotta get on this WoT thing

12:43

Stupid lazy brain

12:43

Also, just bought my ticket to the amsterdam

12:43

well don't do only one thing

12:43

have skin in several games, right?

12:43

^that.

12:44

what games are you proposing benkay ?

12:44

you want to know where i put my skin?

12:45

no dice.

12:45

jesus christ this shit annoys me http://trilema.com/2014/and-now-for-part-2-of-our-smash-hit-hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/

12:45

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+]

12:46

but at a rough approximation: my own biz, some other biz, -assets, and my personal wot.

12:49

benkay: I like to be in the 'skinning other people who have no game' game. Good biz.

12:51

<benkay> you want to know where i put my skin? // nortly, that's your business, just wanted to know what you meant by that

12:53

JorgePasada: what could go wrong? lol

12:53

benkay: Step two is still all question marks... so in theory a lot

12:54

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC

12:55

running the confidence game can be very lucrative!

12:55

benkay: I think that's the realization I had when I was like 24 or so

12:56

Wait a minute, all of these people are way way less knowledgable about this stuff than I am, they're just more confident

12:56

tends to be at odds with the gentleman's desire to cultivate an identity, though.

12:56

in what sense do you mean?

12:57

the only identity a con man can sustain is with other thieves.

12:57

his identity (in the sense of a thing that persists past each scam) is only relevant to other scammers. the con man must burn his identity for each con.

12:58

Hmm

12:58

brings an interesting thought

12:58

is identity = reputation?

12:59

But yeah I was more just getting at taking the other side of willing transactions

12:59

where I think people don't understand the market

12:59

I'm happy, they're happy

12:59

Everyone wins

13:00

So I'm reading this article a friend wrote

13:00

https://medium.com/the-magazine/23e551c67a6

13:00

i need this in my life http://9gag.com/gag/aLKV4Qv

13:01

having a read at your link now JorgePasada

13:01

Because a Bitcoin transaction can’t be reversed, it means that the party transferring value has no recourse within the Bitcoin system to reverse or dispute a transaction. Thus, someone who wants their money back has to go to court, and companies that accept Bitcoin as payment aren’t above the law. This will move chargebacks from intermediary mediated settlements to small-claims court and higher civil courts

13:01

That paragraph bothers me.

13:01

<+JorgePasada> is identity = reputation? <- I'd say no. identity is what you know of yourself, reputation is what others know of you

13:01

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 976 @ 0.00085096 = 0.8305 BTC [+] {7}

13:02

These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic

13:02

!up Bunnyh

13:02

Voicing Bunnyh for 30 minutes.

13:02

sorry

13:02

paragraph after that

13:02

Bitcoin doesn’t eliminate fraudulent transactions; it only eliminates counterfeit payments. This can, of course, save many tens or hundreds of billions of dollars a year globally and translate to more efficiency in commerce. But removing the intermediary also removes recourse outside of courts, and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.

13:02

more accurately the very last part

13:02

'and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.'

13:02

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 958 @ 0.00087184 = 0.8352 BTC [+] {5}

13:03

because it's blatantly false

13:03

It's 100% guaranteed to be a net value add to the system as an aggregate

13:04

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1443 @ 0.0008702 = 1.2557 BTC [-] {7}

13:04

or, sorry

13:04

not detract any value

13:04

is a better way of stating it

13:04

Before you only had 2 options

13:04

er, one

13:04

and now you have two

13:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1392 BTC [-] {2}

13:05

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 130 @ 0.00090475 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {3}

13:05

Increasing optionality, especially when talking about markets in the aggregate, is always good

13:05

specifically in some cases, yeah it's hard when I have 6 girls to go out with on one friday night, maybe too many options

13:05

but markets don't suffer from decision paralysis

13:06

"It also glosses over theft. Because Bitcoin relies entirely on the private retention of secrets (private keys that prove ownership of given Bitcoins), a stolen Bitcoin is only traceable within the system to a certain extent, and thefts of millions and tens of millions of dollars have already occurred. Because committed transactions are irreversible, stolen Bitcoins are valuable and nearly laundered." << this is bananas.

13:06

as in, makes zero sense.

13:07

Yeah

13:07

sorry JorgePasada i'm not seeing much worth putting through my jelly computer in that medium piece

13:08

let's try something from princessnell: http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/29/scenes-from-a-dying-imperial-city-the-export-import-bank/

13:08

Eh, it's just frustrating because I've talked with him about the bitty coin extensively, and he gets it, and the conclusion isn't bad at all

13:08

but in the middle it's like he's arguing past andreessen

13:09

"It’s almost a mistake that tracking today is possible." << not an alert human.

13:09

it's not a mistake.

13:10

What do you mean?

13:11

who d'you think made the protocol changes that broadcast IP addresses with every network message?

13:11

I mean, I don't see how it could work any other way...

13:11

It's a network, there has to be points of entry

13:12

there's already a connection between two machines sending btc protocol messages back and forth

13:17

you can run bitcoin over tor

13:17

the honeypot?

13:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]

13:20

who knows

13:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.004665 = 0.4665 BTC [+] {2}

13:21

-assets knows all

13:21

!up JorgePas_

13:21

Voicing JorgePas_ for 30 minutes.

13:21

JorgePas_

stupid comcast

13:22

Maybe you'll get lucky and get sold to Charter?

13:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00470683 = 2.5134 BTC [+] {8}

13:25

http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/bitcoin-killer-of-nietzschian-nihilism/

13:26

http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/bitcoin-killer-of-nietzschian-nihilism/ ;)

13:26

http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/how-bitcoin-kills-nietzschian-nihilism/

13:26

Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschian Nihilism | When Bitcoin Met Pete

13:26

damn clipboard!

13:26

lol

13:26

lol no page found, bitcoinpete

13:27

!jd MPIF

13:27

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28889252 BTC

13:27

ah but the third one

13:27

;;calc .2 / 50

13:27

0.004

13:27

;;calc 0.004 * 20

13:27

0.08

13:27

benkay: resolved

13:27

was fiddling with titles and urls

13:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0697619 = 2.4417 BTC [-] {5}

13:28

FabianB

hmm.. F.MPIF already in operation without public funds?

13:28

i'd never really read nietzsche but he's on the fuckin money as far as -assets and bitcoin go

13:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07411003 = 0.1482 BTC [+]

13:33

you should read some of his stuff bitcoinpete

13:34

mod6: i am now :)

13:34

any specific title?

13:35

bitcoinpete: Nietzschean*

13:36

moiety: i suppose, though i've seen both

13:36

fe

13:38

mod6: mostly overview stuff so far, just getting my bearings

13:38

mod6: any recommendations?

13:41

The Twilight of the Idols, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and The Antichrist are all good. I read now and then from The Will to Power.

13:42

The Will to Power was put together by his sister after his death. Mainly a collection of papers and personal notes. It's good though.

13:42

FabianB well it was started with my own btc.

13:43

moiety which part

13:43

bitcoinpete: this is among my favourite of the things you've said - "There’s a baby, its bathwater, and Mastercoin. Let’s just throw out the latter two."

13:44

FabianB

mircea_popescu: that was my guess after seeing 19:27 <+thestringpuller> !jd MPIF

13:44

FabianB

:)

13:45

<benkay> These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic << it's idiotic.

13:45

let me guess, derp byrne ?

13:47

mod6 thanks!

13:47

mircea_popescu: JorgePasada's link.

13:48

fluffypony: haha ya, that was a decent one

13:48

o medium.com thing. mk.

13:48

anyhoo, yoga time. cheers!

13:48

Yeah, not sure what their model is for monetizing that

13:48

Medium.com that is

13:49

mircea_popescu: the whole idea we can't use 'guys'. i get this kind of crap all the time. also when i use 'dude'. i get feminazis giving me into trouble and i am female myself.

13:50

yeah, why do something useful, that's like hard. better to yak at people about what words they use.

13:50

'dude brah'

13:51

benkay https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461201013983416320

13:51

who knows, maybe it jolts the dude out of his intellectual complacency and he actually gets informed about btc.

13:53

;;later tell bitcoinpete "Bitcoin is infused with several of Nietzsches philosophies." that's broken. concepts ? ideas ?

13:53

The operation succeeded.

13:53

twitter users can't think in units of length greater than 140 characters, and they labor over each character. i don't want to suggest we value qlty over qnty but ffs i don't think these people can engage in real time chat style webversations.

13:55

so let them fail, miserably and humiliatingly, and from that failure learn how little shit they got for brains.

13:55

anyway, the notion that andreessen is a source or has anything to say about bitcoin is laughable, but it's also so very cute

13:56

basically this guy would like to be here, but he doesn't know that here exists, or how to get here. which, imo, speak to structural deffect. if he weren't a broken being he wouldn't have the problem.

14:00

;;later tell princessnell hey, what do you know of pando daily ?

14:00

The operation succeeded.

14:00

;;seen princessnell

14:00

I have not seen princessnell.

14:01

ho ho ho

14:01

um

14:01

what was it ?

14:01

wait, she NEVER said anything ?

14:02

don't recall, no.

14:03

try le tweets.

14:04

i dont remember her actually speaking

14:06

also, is 'guise' safe to use i wonder or are we all supposed to be peeps now

14:07

in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P

14:08

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]

14:08

moiety: "niggaz" is the preferred colloquialism to a manul

14:08

so I hear

14:08

ma nigga

14:09

i thought their preferred speak just consisted of fuck off bitch

14:09

?? http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/04/29/calling-girls-fat-may-make-them-obese.html ??

14:10

the stupidity is overwhelming

14:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03465383 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2}

14:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [+]

14:27

http://www.redbull.com/en/esports/stories/1331647100999/game-of-drones-starcraft-ii-politics

14:27

"In the end, the Christian Democrats failed to secure a player and the Feminist Initiative player had to decline due to other commitments."

14:28

lel

14:32

I wonder if Scarlett in http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NESL_Iron_Lady sparked some juicy controversy

14:33

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC

14:35

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo

14:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15939 @ 0.00097784 = 15.5858 BTC [+]

14:36

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579531810109573616?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304163604579531810109573616.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_RightTopStories

14:39

what did he say?

14:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]

14:47

<+moiety> in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P /// lol, best quote of the day

14:50

bitcoinpete: np. :)

14:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06750388 = 6.7504 BTC [-] {4}

14:55

the worst part of dicks or gtfo is that the channel would be flooded with pics immediately..

14:59

:D

14:59

psssh its just being involved

15:00

might be a slightly wrong route to go, taking away from the manuls and all

15:01

perhaps didnt think this through

15:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06736817 = 13.4736 BTC [-] {9}

15:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]

15:12

oh wow

15:12

so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort?

15:12

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.160

15:13

!up JorgePasada

15:13

Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.

15:13

Also...

15:13

guess what I just did

15:14

JorgePasada: had a glass of wine?

15:14

nm, that's me

15:14

Nah, finally authenticated

15:14

with the WoT

15:16

<+fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? /// where?

15:16

ThickAsThieves: link's above

15:16

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.160

15:17

yeah i clicked

15:17

it's all very confusing

15:17

and saw nothing even discussing trades

15:17

ok well

15:17

;;ident JorgePasada

15:17

Nick 'JorgePasada', with hostmask 'JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', is identified as user 'JorgePasada', with GPG key id F94255F4860A142A, key fingerprint A5DCC517069DDCB8F4D3050DF94255F4860A142A, and bitcoin address None

15:17

MintSpare has disappeared and nobody knows what's potting

15:17

then Havelock say "We have been working with Mintspare closely during the past few months and they have a bright future ahead of them. They should and will start to post and respond to requests on this forum."

15:18

;;rate JorgePasada 1

15:18

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JorgePasada has been recorded.

15:18

!down JorgePasada

15:18

so HL is saying they havent disappeared?

15:18

yes

15:18

;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada

15:18

Currently authenticated from hostmask JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=JorgePasada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=JorgePasada | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 15:07:18 2014

15:18

so then the question is - why are MintSpare so quiet but Havelock claim to be speaking to them

15:18

and ALSO

15:18

aight, JorgePasada /msg assbot !up

15:18

Havelock say "We do hold the Bitcoins raised during their offering in escrow and only distribute those funds as needed."

15:18

how could they do that without talking to them?

15:19

well the forum notoriously wants news when there is none

15:19

THEN

15:19

altought financial reports would be enough

15:19

Scweet.

15:19

they back the fuck up completely

15:19

"We don't have any inside information that is not made public."

15:19

and they get pushed on whether they're using information to trade

15:19

"Full Disclosure: we currently own 733 Units in MS, current value is less than 1 Bitcoin. "

15:19

well kinda splitting peanuts

15:20

it's all very confusing

15:20

well thats what happens when you try to fill a void

15:20

you invent gods

15:20

mintspare raised before the havelock escrow thing

15:20

fwiw mintspare came to me first and i sent them packing

15:23

fluffypony i'm not sure why you would waste your time on it, did you buy some?

15:23

ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads

15:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]

15:29

Y'all see this yet?

15:29

http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/rulings/pdf/FIN-2014-R007.pdf

15:32

well that seems a convenient work around

15:32

setup mining operations in the US

15:32

rent it to someone outside of the US

15:33

make it a zero-sum game

15:36

It's actually a sensible ruling though

15:36

which is strange coming from them

15:37

*

benkay raises an eyebrow

15:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00098027 = 23.6245 BTC [+] {3}

15:37

either that or there are sensible people at the helm in some places. hard to believe, but a possibility.

15:38

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461228021685690368

15:38

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @GlennF You should. Unlike ...

15:38

or crazy laws get ignored anyway, especially with bitcoin

15:38

glenn thinks he should not have to listen to assbot on the grounds of assbot's amazing name

15:38

AMAZING COMPANY!

15:38

on the same grounds, i

15:39

i'll have my horses graze on him. for he's a glenn, and they like glens.

15:40

Haha

15:41

<fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? << no. they're just trying to make vague claims as to anything. that they're registered, should that seem desirable. that they're mp, should that appear a value. that anything and everything, no matter what it may be.

15:41

scammers always do.

15:41

Thanks mircea_popescu, now I'm going to get shit about that :-P

15:41

idiots, of course, never have the sense to actually name names, and admit whom they wish to copy, and for what reason, and what all that means.

15:42

oh didn't they get busted like today for not being registered on the Panamanian SEC?

15:43

<fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads << i imagine he's picked up the benkay task.

15:43

it IS a great way to build an intellect in this space.

15:43

you know what they say

15:43

"they see me trollin', they hatin'"

15:44

i learned to sniff out the banal stench of scam and stopped.

15:44

surely.

15:45

oh by the way, rehashing http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#identifier_0_52070

15:45

I used to spend time on the forums back in the day... back when you could actually find useful information without digging through pages of BS

15:45

if anyone's not seen the lion in winter, you definitely must.

15:46

o'toole, hepburn, hopkins...

15:48

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]

15:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [+] {2}

~ 21 minutes ~

16:11

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation

16:11

Virtual Mining Corporation and Active Mining Corporation | Wood Law Firm

16:11

what's wood law? some class action thing?

16:12

eh, they have BFL too

16:16

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0075 = 0.2025 BTC [+]

16:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03414675 = 0.4098 BTC [-] {2}

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]

16:34

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559776.0

16:34

[TEASER] Multi-Key Lockboxes

16:38

pankkake yes they were suing bfl.

16:39

were?

16:39

!up mumu

16:39

Voicing mumu for 30 minutes.

16:39

then bfl promised them two monarchs and they took the deal.

16:40

ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down.

16:40

pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2014#608678

16:40

!up Thelamarvelous1

16:40

Voicing Thelamarvelous1 for 30 minutes.

16:44

Hi everyone

16:45

hello!

16:45

I have a contact on here so i talk to him... but im real new here

16:46

What should i know

16:46

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/ << a decent place to start.

16:46

start [bitcoin assets wiki]

16:46

http://pastebin.com/WEJQ4SNV

16:46

Mircea_Popescu @GlennF The consensus seems to be that your noggin ain't really w - Pastebin.com

16:47

a fine example of educated idiocy.

16:47

why's it so hard for the inferior to do what they are told by better men in no uncertain terms ?

16:48

who wants to do what they are told All the time. That is not smart.

16:49

<+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down. /// looks up to me, but that's the second downtime already... a testament to Namecheap's hosting service.

16:49

Thelamarvelous1 how do you know ?

16:49

ThickAsThieves they're not known for their hosting really

16:50

Because that is the plan in the first place

16:50

all i have otherwise is a client server (all that's left of my mktg biz is the website hosting)

16:50

so i didnt wanna worry about more servers n shit

16:50

you might be cached. it seems down. http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/devilsadvocate.biz.html

16:50

Dumb people down then tell them what to do

16:50

motherfucker

16:51

is that fincern mining thingy worthy of wiki, if so, someone should put it there.

16:51

Thelamarvelous1: first step would be to register with gribble

16:51

the mining thing seems a little too obvious to be noteworthy imo

16:51

but who knows

16:51

fuck you just trying to get someone to do some work there.

16:52

Tbabks... how do I do that pankkake?

16:52

lol

16:52

*

ThickAsThieves give kako some cake

16:52

gives*

16:52

*

kakobrekla hides it from mp quickly

16:52

Thelamarvelous1: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide

16:53

Thanks for the info

16:54

imma be a smartass

16:54

Thelamarvelous1 http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

16:54

I got a API to the site and working on a pubnub to stream in live trade data :)

16:55

of what?

16:56

bcoinnews.com - changing over all my data to my databases, so I will not be pulling in outsude data and relying on that

16:56

you run this?

16:56

yep

16:57

hey! cake goes to my stash of uneaten cake!

16:57

namecheap: Roman G: What was the exact error you received?

16:57

working on the pubnub- the documentation is pretty shitty so I am struggling

16:58

motherfucker!

16:58

my website aint loading

16:58

ThickAsThieves now you get to be the customer and always wrong!

16:58

what was the error code biatch!

16:59

Roman G: The issue was reported to our technicians at once and it should be fixed now

16:59

magical...

17:00

Roman G: I understand your frustration and would like to keep monitoring your website performance for another 2-3 days and in case of any issues do not hesitate to contact us back at once

17:00

Now I'll be reading all night. But thanks guys. See ya soon.

17:00

lol all i said was is there something we can do to stop the problems

17:00

magical beans didn't work for me.

17:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097722 = 5.8633 BTC [-] {2}

17:00

Thelamarvelous1 other than teenagers, reading is the best way to spend a night.

17:01

mike_c i gotta step out but i imagine itll sort out shortly :/

17:03

heh namcheap..heard already that godaddy discontinued email support?

17:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00098416 = 26.1787 BTC [+]

17:07

what kind of support is left?

17:08

fluffypony: setup mining operations in the US... rent it to someone outside << lol, you think 'rule of law' is a thing in the usa

17:09

asciilifeform: true that

17:10

fluffypony: the only remaining actual law is - 'Не верь, не бойся, не проси' ("Don't Believe, Don't Fear and Don't Ask." russian prison maxim, at least a century old)

17:10

This all seems like a lot to swallow for me in 1 nigbt.

17:11

I want to go to Russia fucking badly

17:11

fluffypony: why?

17:12

russian girls?

17:12

asciilifeform: I find the culture fascinating - I wouldn't want to live there (hate snow), but I find the culture so different to everything else that it intrigues me

17:12

and I think the architecture in places is incredible

17:13

although I'd probably end up quoting "Fiddler on the Roof" the whole time if I went there

17:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03414675 = 0.239 BTC [+] {2}

17:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [+] {3}

17:16

speaking of russia - they import derp by the boatload.

17:16

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/2014/02#.D0.A3.D0.B1.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.82.D1.8C_.D1.81.D1.81.D1.8B.D0.BB.D0.BA.D1.83_.D0.BD.D0.B0_Lib.ru_.D0.B8.D0.B7_.D0.BA.D0.B0.D1.80.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.87.D0.B5.D0.BA

17:17

long url is long

17:17

tldr - russian pediwikia bans the mega-library lib.ru - on account of warez.

17:17

a share of S.MG on havelock is worth 30% less than a share of smg on mpex. that is quite a discount.

17:17

fluffypony it's so fascinating because it's so unexpectedly absent :D

17:18

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+]

17:19

mircea_popescu: I disagree - people have been living there for more than a few hundred years, which means they've developed not only a language, but art and architecture and even ways of thinking that differ from my own...which I think is the essence of "culture"

17:19

the thing that makes this a mega-lol is that lib.ru sold out to copyrasts years ago - charges for access to a number of things, incl. books by folks who never asked for this

17:19

the 'real library' has been at flibusta.net, for ages.

17:20

(someone mirrored the good stuff, 'took ball and went home.')

17:20

mircea_popescu: don't get me wrong - I'm a huge opera buff, and I could get lost in the architecture of the ancient Greeks, but I love being in places that are so fundamentally different to my own frame of reference

17:20

(strike that. lib.ru was merely censored. it's some of the mirrors that charge)

17:21

pankkake online chat ..with 1hr waiting times reported

17:21

probably why I've enjoyed (some) Indian cinema so much

17:21

jurov: I really need to move the domains I have left there :/

17:22

fluffypony: if you're expecting to find the village from 'fiddler' in russia, i must disappoint you.

17:22

http://bitbet.us/bet/816/la-clippers-donald-sterling-to-take-a-hike/ << that was fast.

17:22

BitBet - LA Clippers' Donald Sterling to take a hike

17:22

they all went to gasenwagen in the war.

17:23

"Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been banned for life by the NBA in response to racist comments the league says he made in a recorded conversation."

17:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06967251 = 0.209 BTC [+]

17:26

asciilifeform: I jest about Fiddler on the Roof:) I think things like the Golden Gate and all those cathedrals with the semi-spherical towers (Saint Basil's being the obvious go-to for every movie set in Russia ever) are a sight to see. also Manshikof (sp?) tower and the Chelyabinsk opera house are on the list.

17:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00097565 = 8.2442 BTC [-] {2}

17:27

Menshikov, apologies

17:31

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]

17:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0341 = 0.4092 BTC [-] {2}

17:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.0335002 = 0.938 BTC [-] {4}

17:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033255 = 0.3326 BTC [-] {2}

17:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {3}

17:39

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.033 = 0.264 BTC [-]

17:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.06961856 = 2.0189 BTC [-] {2}

17:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [+] {2}

17:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06979788 = 1.396 BTC [+] {3}

17:56

fluffypony i was just trying to troll stan

17:56

aparently he's immune

17:56

lol

18:00

mike_c wow, they can ban AN OWNER ?!

18:00

how the fuck does that work. he... owns it.

18:01

the way i understand it, the team won't be permitted in matches so long as he is owner.

18:01

...

18:01

i'm skeptical of that function

18:02

does he have some kind of code on conduct in some kind of contract with the NBA that allows any of this?

18:02

and is it in conflict with freedom of speech?

18:02

seems like a mess could blow up in NBA's face

18:02

ThickAsThieves it's in the us, so im sure it does.

18:03

i own a girl who recounted the story of how the school administration made all the girls lift up their skirts to prove they actually were wearing panties or not be allowed inside the hs end party

18:03

which party included no booze and was supposed to end by 20:00

18:03

wow

18:03

this, of course, so that no unbecoming conduct etc. imagine.

18:03

leave the flaw so we may fix them

18:03

mircea_popescu: "the average declared weight is 180.94 kgs" and i thought i was a chubby chaser

18:04

180kg? elephants?

18:04

lbs, it turns out

18:04

lol

18:04

they construe it as "hate speech does not fall under freedom of speech" and/or "fredom of speech concerns only your relationship with govt, since we're not govt, we're free to punish you as we see fit"

18:04

cuz nba has no relationship with gov?

18:04

jurov funny thing is... that's how unfreedom of speech always works lol.

18:05

if you asked them, the romanian communists were all for freedom of speech

18:05

provided, of course, it wasn't hate speech.

18:05

http://i.imgur.com/MdUAdeM.jpg

18:05

lol

18:05

i dont get why this is necessary

18:05

mr. mold once described the 'diversity quota' crap as 'there must be a Party member on every elevator ride.'

18:05

if they dont like him, leave

18:06

!up time12345

18:06

Voicing time12345 for 30 minutes.

18:06

ThickAsThieves it's not that they "don't like him". it's that they just got a cock and would like me to be impressed.

18:06

i am not and all the rest of youse have to suffer.

18:06

some rapper was saying how all black people are cowards

18:06

"The fine will be donated to organizations dedicated to anti-discrimination and tolerance efforts that will be jointly selected by the NBA and the Players Association, Silver said."

18:06

cuz all they did was flip their jerseys inside out in protest

18:06

anyway, what sport is this ? basketball ?

18:07

yes

18:07

http://bitbet.us/bet/813/btc-to-top-4000-before-passing-below-400/#c2870 << lol logic.

18:07

BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400

18:07

is there a single white man playing?

18:07

yes

18:07

like 3 or some shit

18:07

well good, i hadn't been following it for ~20 years, and now i have a good answer if anyone asks me

18:07

"o no, i won't be involved with basketball, they're nigger loving faggots"

18:07

tolerance enforcement dept.

18:08

ayup. the harder they push, the rougher it gets.

18:09

ha i'm at kat.ph and they have another great ad

18:09

"Life is short. have an affair."

18:12

of all the conceivable reasons to have an affair...

18:12

http://bitbet.us/bet/813/btc-to-top-4000-before-passing-below-400 < lol what?

18:12

BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400

18:12

what the hell happened to "you like the girl"

18:12

i cheated on a girl. once.

18:12

outcome yes, if price rises above 4000 and THEN goes sub 400?

18:13

mno

18:13

lol

18:13

fukn bitbet scammorz

18:14

stupid language ambiguousness <.<"

18:14

mircea_popescu: the solution to the megaphone madman (mentioned in your 'twitter' page) isn't laser - it's ultrasonic 'voice in head' trick.

18:14

mircea_popescu: two beams, ~40kHz, audible payload in beat frequency.

18:14

mircea_popescu: victim's head (or microphone) becomes heterodyne.

18:15

interesting, never heard of this til now

18:16

maybe i'm reading too much into it

18:17

is this just dissonance?

18:17

they use example for Beat in tuning

18:18

ThickAsThieves it's wave composition basically

18:18

asciilifeform did she ever contact you ?

18:20

"If the proposal before us now turns out to be insufficient or if we observe anyone taking advantage of the rule, I won't hesitate to use Title II," writes Wheeler, referring to an option that would let the FCC regulate ISPs much like landline phones.

18:20

derp

18:21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bma3LzrCEAE4lyI.png:large

18:21

check out the wit of the scotus.

18:21

having two cellphones, now a criminal indicia.

18:22

i suppose the times of blackberry and iphone have been quickly forgotten have htey.

18:22

i suppose not having a phone at all is the mark of the terrorist, isnt it.

18:22

then i'm in trouble

18:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00097475 = 27.9753 BTC [-] {2}

18:24

Matt Warner @mattstate .@libertydotfees Hey jerk, Stef authored several books, produced 1000's of hrs, and is stopping child abuse. What have you done for liberty?

18:24

Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @mattstate @libertydotfees I wrote a guide on how to beat women. In Romanian. http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ How about you ?

18:24

that should go over well.

18:26

HEY JERK

18:26

the call of the Lesser Spotted Internet White Knight

18:27

why do you beat them anyway?

18:27

builds character.

18:28

:/

18:29

im not kidding. it does.

18:30

i dont get how this all comes to be though

18:30

so ask a q.

18:30

like you meet a girl, fuck her, she sticks around and you just start beating her one morning?

18:30

it's honestly the only thing i cant rationalize about you

18:30

the slaving beating stuff

18:37

some people get off on pain, ThickAsThieves

18:37

no dude.

18:37

well sort me out!

18:37

jesus lol that's a weird idea.

18:37

how do you meet girls ?

18:37

a you're married. well, suppose we're playing second life, and you're not you. so

18:37

i dont, anymore

18:37

how do you meet girls ?

18:37

probably at the bar or via business dealings

18:37

so there's this girl you like. what do you do ?

18:37

we chat and if it's at the bar we likely go get it on to some degree hf bases

18:37

if work, we meet up and maybe not mess around right away

18:37

honestly i wouldnt plan any of it

18:37

so there's no connection whatsoever other than...well... she's got a cunt and you got a plug that fits ?

18:37

i'd do whatever made sense at the time i felt i needed to do something

18:37

no

18:37

i'd need to learn about her

18:37

and her about you ?

18:37

i assume

18:37

so then why'd it be a surprise, just one day... honey, whack!

18:37

i was being extreme lol

18:37

i'm just saying i dont get it

18:37

suppose you couldn't come. i mean you got all the parts, and fucking is fun, just, you don't splooge.

18:37

ok

18:37

you figure you'd have a pow wow with the girl about this ?

18:37

maybe

18:37

or just let her figure it out on her own

18:37

after 8 and a half hours trying to make you cum on her face.

18:37

in my own experience if i cant it's been with women i probly shouldnt have been fucking

18:37

oh you mean if she's bad at it in general

18:37

sure you help

18:37

well whatever it is, you got three balls, you ejaculate tabsco sauce, it doesn't matter.

18:37

lol

18:37

some people get off on delivering it

18:37

point being, at least among sane people, it wouldn't come as a surprise

18:37

if you'll pardon the pun.

18:37

hmm maybe we made a silebnt leap i missed

18:37

is the beating only sexual?

18:37

i know this

18:38

but i was isolating the beating

18:38

not realizing this might be strictly sexual

18:38

what do you mean by "strictly sexual" ?

18:38

like when you say "i wrote about how to beat women" it doesnt necessarily mean about sex-related events

18:39

oh.

18:39

i knew i shouldnt have said strictly

18:39

no, it's sexual.

18:39

ok

18:39

so i get it a lil better then

18:39

just sexual probably means more than you readily represent.

18:39

making her shine your shoes and kneel while doing it is perhaps not your idea of sexual, for instance.

18:40

not as a habit, but i could see it being sexual

18:40

right

18:40

is this the same context i should apply to your slaving?

18:40

or is that more nuanced?

18:40

so she's been bad, she gets spanked, it closes off the experience and she doesn't have to continue beating herself up for it, for instance.

18:41

there are many edges to it, it's not strictly the sensuous pleasure of getting caned.

18:41

and yes when i say slavery i mean a very intimate and absolutey sexual thing.

18:42

are your slaves also your maids n shit, or do they live their own lives with careers and such?

18:43

well they start as idiotic webizens, exactly where you'd expect the average twennysomething to find herself.

18:43

and a decade later they can command their own regiment.

18:43

not all want to, tho.

18:43

i see

18:44

there's something very satisfying about serving, too. especially people you deeply respect and otherwise adore.

18:44

hax

18:45

!up CheckDavid

18:45

Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

18:45

Yes indeed ThickAsThieves.

18:45

i'm surprised no one else asked about all this before

18:45

Thanks mircea_popescu

18:46

maybe i'm just dumb

18:46

How many slaves do you own mircea?

18:46

it varies.

18:46

ThickAsThieves i imagine it's a doozy.

18:46

mircea_popescu: she ever contact you << nein.

18:46

Mircea. Do you have a slave auto trader?

18:47

CheckDavid i just acquired a coupla, you seen the f.mpif ?

18:47

!jd mpif

18:47

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28893898 BTC

18:47

No. What's that?

18:47

thar she blows.

18:47

such profit

18:47

That's your gambling money?

18:47

good autotrader

18:47

mircea_popescu: how many days is that?

18:47

3-4?

18:47

like that yea

18:47

mircea_popescu: having two cellphones, now a criminal << quite a few people i know have 2+. 'human' and 'work' phone.

18:48

asciilifeform supreme court doesn't agree with you. sorry.

18:48

i'd like ascii on the supreme court

18:48

thestringpuller it was a sudden hit at one point that made 90% of it tho

18:48

he'd be a celeb for sure

18:50

mircea_popescu: nba owner is banned from attending games (even his own), and can't participate in league business. they are trying to get him to "relinquish" his ownership, whatever that means.

18:50

mike_c i hope he fights the shit out of them.

18:51

ThickAsThieves: supreme court << eh, i'd rather sit on a 'troika'

18:51

like... you want a war ? you got a war. sue each and every single person involved at any level with the nba, independently.

18:51

but that's just me

18:51

let's see who runs out of money first sorta deal.

18:51

"The manual labor your slaves are capable of with the sweat and tears they excrete is the only true measure of wealth" -- Mircea Popescu - 1998

18:51

guy's got what, 100mn to blow ? rhather than leave it to charity...

18:51

CheckDavid wait what ?

18:52

!up princessnell

18:52

Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.

18:52

afternoon, princess

18:52

afternoon, princessnell

18:55

Loool

18:56

!up princessnell

18:56

Voice for princessnell extended to 30 minutes.

18:56

I'm kidding

18:56

mircea_popescu: what's the place of crypto currencies in the world?

18:56

And how many do we need?

18:56

what am i, the eight ball ?

18:56

3.

18:56

asciilifeform one for each testicle ?

18:56

No idea

18:56

Felt like asking you that

18:56

dijkstra once read a lecture, and exclaimed 'how many bugs shall we tolerate?!' one wag stands up - '3!'

18:56

I don't expect future forecasts

18:56

nm, it was '7'

18:56

http://lispy.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/lisp50-notes-part-v-interlisp-parc-and-the-common-lisp-consolidation-wars

18:56

'Dijkstra said angrily. (Hed been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) How many bugs are we going to tolerate? he demanded. Seven, Teitelman shot back.'

↖ ↖

18:56

Lisp50 Notes part V: Interlisp, PARC, and the Common Lisp Consolidation Wars | Learning Lisp

18:56

"But Teitelman came off as being at once knowledgeable and approachable. He didnt exude any of the dysfunctional Lisp-programmer type attitudes at all. (Not that anyone else did.)"

18:56

people need to learn how to write ;/

18:56

mircea_popescu: he might only have 50mn, his wife is making a grab too :)

18:56

mike_c that's the idea, spend it all on litigation first.

18:56

die poor, but fucking happy.

18:57

only hire black lawyer chicks over 180 that'll give you nookie, too.

18:57

mike_c - he might discover that the 100m belong to the crown, which now owns his arse, and not to himself

18:57

sport magnate 'can also have problems'

18:58

he's likely got enough money to buy some friends in gov'ment. it will be interesting. guys like that don't traditionally go quietly.

18:58

if only these schmucks learned to stop sliding quietly into the night.

18:58

tell... khodorkovsky.

18:58

hm, actually i don't know if he inherited or is self-made. self-made rich guys don't usually go quietly.

18:59

asciilifeform dude, you imagine the usg would have the guts ? what's this, the future ?

18:59

!up princess-nell

18:59

Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.

18:59

hey

18:59

missy stop jumping nicks

18:59

sry

18:59

it's a fight of the crowned gutless vs. the moneyed gutless

18:59

so what do you know what pando daily is ?

18:59

it's a silicon valley gossip blog thing

19:00

asciilifeform exactly. it's a fucking boxing match among cowards, blergh. i demand better show.

19:00

princess-nell what do you want to do with your future ?

19:00

that's a good question

19:00

probably to get the hell out of the us for the first thing

19:00

ok. what pando daily claims and proposes it wants to be is this true news venue.

19:00

it did manage to get out some decent reporting. it seems it's sinking tho.

19:01

actually doing it sound like your thing at all ?

19:01

sure

19:01

lol that was quick.

19:02

it's an endless pushing uphill for very little money, journalism. why'd you want it ?!

19:02

i enjoy writing

19:02

princess-nell: come to Africa!

19:02

that's my new siren call

19:02

I'm inviting everyone

19:02

a stupid reason as any other. well, anyway : who do you know that can rack muck ? can you get a team together ?

19:03

hmm. probably not. everyone who isn't a coward has more important things to do.

19:03

that's an apt observation.

19:04

i'm still willing to go to bitcoin2014 under any charge

19:04

(the amsterdam conf)

19:04

where are you in africa?

19:04

ThickAsThieves weren't you going to ask i forgot who i forgot what ?

19:04

princess-nell: South Africa

19:04

ThickAsThieves: why

19:05

and you want more people to move there?

19:05

he's on irc all day long and his wife's getting bored.

19:05

princess-nell: it's beautiful here

19:05

cuz i like amsterdam, wouldnt mind some offtime to write uo a bizplan, and i like putting people on the spor

19:05

spot*

19:06

i'll ask any of them whatever as long as it doesnt get me jailed and is an honest question

19:06

ThickAsThieves: so go to amsterdam. why visit the wankatronics experts?

19:06

asciilifeform ever picked at a scab ?

19:07

i'm a somewhat superstitious guy with some things

19:07

aye.

19:07

so that'd be it.

19:07

i like it when things comke together

19:07

somewhat coincidentally

19:08

it's the coelho in me

19:08

;)

19:08

fluffypony: we u.s. folks don't need to go to africa. it'll come to us soon enough.

19:08

eloel

19:09

lawlz

19:10

who is princess-nell anyway?

19:10

got link?

19:11

@anjiecast. http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/29/scenes-from-a-dying-imperial-city-the-export-import-bank/ this chick.

19:11

thx

19:13

http://theumlaut.com/2014/02/11/the-wired-mans-burden

19:14

^ same woman, on the 'google bus war'

19:14

we have "economic development councils" in the local counties, which seem to mostly serve sending employees on trips and making studies that show how other people's work is their own somehow

19:19

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07538979 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {5}

19:22

for those who missed 'bus war' -

19:22

http://pando.com/2013/12/20/breaking-protesters-attack-google-bus-in-west-oakland-smashing-window

19:22

BREAKING: Protesters attack Google bus in West Oakland, smashing window | PandoDaily

19:23

ah yes, she mentions the Chamber of Commerce too

19:23

such a joke

19:23

http://sfist.com/2013/05/06/google_bus_pinata_smashed_during_an.php

19:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

19:25

sorry but the mission, the tenderloin, those place could use cleaning up

19:25

places

19:26

!up princess-nell

19:26

Voice for princess-nell extended to 30 minutes.

19:26

ThickAsThieves: the anti-google thing was because of 'they're bidding up our prices'

19:27

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07478886 = 0.2244 BTC [-]

19:27

why do they stop at google?

19:27

just blame all things down the path

19:27

ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there

19:27

inflation, landlords, the city, the state gov

19:27

they don't like "silicon valley" generally

19:28

well they arent actually local right

19:28

people that work there live there

19:28

cuz it (was) cheaper)

19:29

also looks like that city has a law permitting landlords to revoke leases in order to sell the land

19:30

i bet princess-nell loved this commenter "Thanks. Very impressive and insightful, especially coming from a woman. Libertarian chicks are always the hottest."

19:30

lol

19:31

ok bed time, night all

19:31

ya, i got a kick out of it

19:34

http://valleywag.gawker.com/whistleblower-claims-google-stole-money-from-publishers-1569412191/+sarah-hedgecock

19:34

Whistleblower Claims Google Stole Money From Publishers Using Adsense

19:37

mircea_popescu: concepts… definitely concepts

19:38

;;later tell dexX7 kinda just random blah blah, but y'know, wallet inspectors

19:38

The operation succeeded.

19:39

ah kk

19:39

having a fun dm convo with my little bro about the clippers dude.

19:39

he's all "there's no place for racism"

19:40

i'm all "common people don't decide what's good and bad, shit all we can do about dude's personal affairs, racism isn't a thing, etc."

19:41

gotta crack some eggs on the kid

19:41

%y

19:41

%t

19:41

[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 220 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 32k High: 190 Low: 190 VWAP: 190

19:42

<asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there << recall the original michael moore piece ?

19:42

i know, i should invite him here...

19:42

some derpage about how people living off gm in a city that exists because of gm are allowed to hate gm ?

19:42

i for one welcome the purges

19:43

lol @ "especially coming from a woman" part. yeah, teh neckbeards are such a well spoken, brilliant lot.

19:44

mircea_popescu: commenter had to be trollin', just had to

19:45

"Men who live in unhealthy countries find the faces of masculine women more attractive http://econ.st/1tZUwnZ pic.twitter.com/zzJx5awpPa"

19:46

there;s nothing in that graph

19:46

!up bitstein

19:46

Voicing bitstein for 30 minutes.

19:47

bitstein

Thanks. Howdy.

19:47

heya. and who might you be ?

19:47

%book

19:47

6k@230 60k@225 10k@220 | 128k@195 2k@170 5k@156

19:47

%block

19:48

bitstein

Michael Goldstein - Founder and President of the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute - http://bitste.in/

19:48

%last_block

19:48

[ATC Last Block] Height: 30370 Time: 2014-04-29T23:39:10Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000001dde1c79d88b2c06a761fe14ecbed4f43d10ee1a7676790f46fa Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 552 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1

19:48

heya bitstein!

19:48

bitstein aha. get in the wot.

19:48

hey BingoBoingo what was the computer you smoked trying to get a 4096 bit key on?

19:49

ooh and what happened to the nominal doxxing of satoshi nakamoto?

19:49

benkay: Mac SE/30

19:49

http://valleywag.gawker.com/anarchist-protestors-blocked-uber-cars-in-the-streets-o-1568739346

19:49

Anarchist Protestors Blocked Uber Cars in the Streets of Seattle

19:49

and why'd it get smoked? too hot?

19:49

hi everyone

19:50

afternoon cgcardona_

19:50

o/

19:50

probably been hashed over a thousand times but thoughts on the MIT $100 worth of btc per student news?

19:50

bitstein register your nick with nickserv first.

19:50

;;google freenode register nick

19:50

FAQ - Freenode: <http://freenode.net/faq.shtml>; freenode: using the network: <http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml>; How to Register a User Name on Freenode: 7 Steps (with Pictures): <http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode>

19:50

then get gpg going on a secure system and get registered with gribble.

19:51

bitstein: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/

19:51

^^

19:51

benkay: Maybe? Looks like a couple capacitors popped.

19:51

get thee into the wot

19:51

cgcardona_ too late, sr already closed.

19:51

http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication that stuff

19:51

GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki

19:51

kakobrekla: ? whatcha mean?

19:51

i gotta show a place to a person… laterz!

19:51

re 100bux mit

19:52

no i mean 'sr already closed' whatcha mean sr?

19:52

silkroad

19:52

probably obvious in which case excuse me in adcance

19:52

it's really not so bad an idea. certainly the best thing mit is currently doing for its students' future.

19:52

ahhh

19:52

haha

19:52

Better than 1 battery 1 bulb and 1 wire

19:52

you can do something with a million. you cant do shit with 100$.

19:53

so they are doing something into nothing.

19:53

i can do that even better prolly.

19:53

on the secret 'black bitbet,' 'for BadBets Only,' let's bet that the coin will walk away before being parcelled out.

19:53

i can't believe this guy's name actually is goldstein.

19:53

a better name one could not have for bitcoin involvement.

19:53

kakobrekla by the time the kids retire, a 0.2 btc stash will buy them some bjs.

19:54

shit it can buy them that today

19:54

asciilifeform doubt it tbh

19:54

i figure it'll inspire a whole new group of startups for better or worse

19:54

s/better/worse

19:54

*ominous ycombinator black helicoptor flies over*

19:55

well fuck me if it does then

19:55

between your tits ?

19:55

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2D1R2D7/plain/)

19:55

!b 2

19:55

between his bits

19:55

ninja!

19:56

;;google chinese backyard steel

19:56

Backyard furnace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace>; Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward>; The Great Leap Forward Period in China, 1958-1960: <http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/greatleap.htm>

19:56

let's saw this bridge into little bits of scrap and all make plows. so what if they're... softer than the ground

19:57

!up princess-nell

19:57

Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.

20:01

asciilifeform: what was the name of the black bitbet?

20:02

benkay: damned if i know

20:02

benkay: just sorta assuming it exists, somewhere in the aether.

20:03

If it didn't seem incredibly impending I might write a Magic Johnson to be part of new Clippers ownership group BitBet

20:04

just make a bet "new owner will be nigger"

20:05

ofc upon seeing that bet they'll put some unidentifiable race in charge

20:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43119 @ 0.00098126 = 42.3109 BTC [+]

20:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00098126 = 12.2658 BTC [+]

20:12

ah bitstein is part of the misescircle.org

20:12

the site writing about how altcoins must die

20:12

i say that writing about how altcoins must die must die

20:15

altcoins are great

20:16

altcoins are altsome!!!

20:17

altmazing company!

20:17

I've given/taken alt that I can .

20:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+]

20:20

no seriously the kids need to play with something

20:20

jurov: I've submitted a slightly different take http://bitbet.us/propositions/

20:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [+] {3}

20:21

anything that gets people aware of the risks and difficulty of using cryptocurrencies without risking their actual btc is great.

20:21

ohohohohooo BingoBoingo

20:22

how does bet prove they have HIV?

20:22

how does Magic prove he has it?

20:23

ThickAsThieves: His is well know to have it.

20:24

!up PCATLMarketing

20:24

Voicing PCATLMarketing for 30 minutes.

20:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}

20:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00098103 = 13.293 BTC [-]

20:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

20:38

Comcast needs to stop talking

20:38

er, failing

20:38

at talking

20:38

to my modem

20:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00098126 = 11.5789 BTC [+]

20:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50285026 = 1.0057 BTC [-] {2}

20:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00098199 = 5.1554 BTC [+] {2}

20:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50291091 = 1.0058 BTC [+] {2}

20:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [-]

21:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00098103 = 14.0778 BTC [-]

21:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00098099 = 3.6787 BTC [-] {2}

21:21

!jd MPIF

21:21

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29370635 BTC

21:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00098309 = 21.7263 BTC [+] {2}

21:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]

21:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [+]

21:33

;;info dexX7

21:33

Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".

21:33

;;gpg info dexX7

21:33

;;gpg info dexX7

21:33

User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .

21:33

User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .

21:33

;;gpg info benkay

21:33

User 'benkay', with keyid 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Mar 10 04:18:03 2013, last authed on Mon Apr 28 15:15:00 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=benkay . Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e .

21:35

http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks

21:35

;;gpg rate 5 shrewd, discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT

21:35

Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.

21:36

;;gpg rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT

21:36

Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.

21:36

hmm

21:37

just ;;rate

21:37

thanks <3

21:37

thanks pankkake, it's been a while since i've rated anyone

21:37

;;rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT

21:37

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user dexX7 has been recorded.

21:37

there we go

21:38

gribble commands are confusing, some have short aliases some do not

21:38

and the online documentation is wrong in some places

21:39

well, then you should go ahead and correct it maybe?

21:40

http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks << great piece. this is why two common career goals of programmers are 1) quit programming 2) find work where you program alone

21:40

Programming Sucks

21:43

http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks%20%3C yielded a 404.

21:43

which was lulzy

21:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00463946 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2}

21:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04239724 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {4}

21:44

"ERROR: Attempted to parse HTML with regular expression; system returned Cthulhu.

21:44

"

21:44

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04300001 = 0.43 BTC [+]

21:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00097632 = 18.675 BTC [-] {2}

21:44

who was it that said programming is the art of telling people what to make the computer do?

21:45

stalin ?

21:49

"So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days."

21:49

jesus its my life

21:50

i traded piss tests and the risk of digit loss for pressed shitboard

21:50

AND CAN'T TELL IF IT WAS A GOOD DEAL

21:50

lol pressed shitboard lives!

21:50

it's a good one

21:53

" The only reason coders' computers work better than non-coders' computers is coders know computers are schizophrenic little children with auto-immune diseases and we don't beat them when they're bad."

21:53

ridiculous. i beat the shit out of my systems. i broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor once.

21:54

hm. but i guess this actually works, cause im not really a coder. a well.

21:54

http://stilldrinking.org/me-and-the-nsa

21:54

Me and the NSA

21:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23661 @ 0.00097479 = 23.0645 BTC [-] {2}

21:55

http://stilldrinking.org/img/moi.png << and yet he looks like a schmuck.

21:55

mircea_popescu: broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor << soviet school of display repair! werks for me!

21:57

nah, the entire assemblage collapsed

21:57

i just pounded it into bits and had another system made.

21:57

lol

21:58

"I can't even weigh in on what passes for political discourse in this country because I would actually do what the crazies are accusing Obama of doing. Seriously: I would take away everyone's guns, force public healthcare on everyone, put all the bankers in jail, engage in a strategic, federally-funded campaign to eradicate religion, turn us into a socialist state, and give every annoying country in the world forty-eig

21:58

ht hours to stand down their armies before I nuked them back to the Cambrian. I probably wouldn't euthanize old people, but I might force abortions on the stupid."

21:58

well if you had the bits, why not just recompile?

21:59

"Any positive or negative response on a request-by-request basis would allow our adversaries to accumulate information and draw conclusions about NSA's technical capabilities, sources, and methods."

22:00

heh. the adversaries have it all mapped out, but thanks.

22:00

fellow's a crackpot, but the entertaining kind.

22:03

basically a less-annoying-than-usual applciation of cracked.com

22:03

(hyperbola and word salad is the cracked.com recipe)

22:05

so far, reading these has taught me that 'hipster' is something approaching an ethnic group

22:07

literally.

22:08

as in, how you can tell that a fellow's a russian even if he lives in new york, never once mentions russia, writes in 'the king's english', etc.

22:08

well ima go count some sheep.

22:08

don't overflow register.

~ 17 minutes ~

22:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00097388 = 29.8007 BTC [-] {2}

22:39

!up Sorcier_FXK

22:39

Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.

22:39

welcome, Sorcier_FXK - what brings you to this vile armpit of the internet?

22:40

;;gettrust Sorcier_FXK

22:40

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Sorcier_FXK: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Sorcier_FXK | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Sorcier_FXK | Rated since: Mon Apr 7 17:15:49 2014

22:40

davout: who is this Sorcier_FXK ?

22:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00097584 = 20.6878 BTC [+] {2}

22:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00098163 = 19.6326 BTC [+]

22:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12369 @ 0.00097397 = 12.047 BTC [-] {2}

23:00

danielpbarron I can not offer commentary on trustworthiness of dignork. He helped me sign up a gpg key on my tablet while I was traveling for work. I have never done any business with him

23:05

ascii: http://www.ussubmarines.com/submarines/seattle_1000.php3 a Diesel-electric sub for a few $10m

23:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7131 @ 0.00097337 = 6.9411 BTC [-]

23:09

mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals vs. corporations: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a274ed18-760a-42ed-b7be-b17bb0f63d54

23:10

One of the best ways for a violator to demonstrate that its violation was not willful is to self-disclose it. Indeed, in recognition of this fact and in order to encourage self-disclosures of systemic problems, the Department of Justice has followed a policy of foregoing prosecutions of companies that make complete, and self-initiated voluntary disclosures.1 (The same policy does not apply to individuals.)

23:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}

23:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03392391 = 0.1696 BTC [-] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339999 = 0.17 BTC [+] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}

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danielpbarron

TestingUnoDosTre: thanks

23:25

de nada

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}

23:25

is it possible to check w/ nickserv if someone has taken a nickname?

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0339999 = 0.204 BTC [+] {6}

23:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03414225 = 0.239 BTC [+] {7}

23:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449778 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}

23:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00098054 = 7.9424 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00098163 = 11.1278 BTC [+]

23:35

weak

23:38

I think the best feature of an undersea journey across the ocean would be the forced disconnection from the world. Seymour Cray said he got his best ideas digging a tunnel under his backyard.

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that's where all the fastest internet connections are... under da sea

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http://www.businessweek.com/1989-94/pre88/b31571.htm Cray's parents nurtured his sharp, voracious mind. His father stocked a basement laboratory with chemistry sets and radio gear and permitted young Seymour to tinker into the wee hours.

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a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI

23:41

isn't chemistry one of the most dangerous activities for kids>

23:41

yeah, so is life

23:42

great point...

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Later, Norris recalls, he asked Cray to write a five-year plan for CDC. The result: ''Five year goal: Build the biggest computer in the world. One year goal: Achieve one-fifth of the above.''

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00098246 = 12.9193 BTC [+] {3}

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