#trilema | 2014-05-07

!t m x.eur

00:16

[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00325487 / 0.00325754 / 0.00328679 (1194 shares, 3.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00294249 / 0.00320948 / 0.00328679 (1981 shares, 6.36 BTC)

00:17

hmm, not a real hot seller, I don't think that is where the mpoe action is going

00:17

what is the x.eur?

00:18

euro futures

00:18

how does it get executed

00:19

if you buy it, you can trade the shares for euros on bitcoincentral, I think?

00:19

http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR

00:22

new to reading these types of documents. Has taken me MANY glances to understand the gist of that

00:22

sad part... it's quiet very straightforward

00:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4499875 = 3.5999 BTC [+] {2}

00:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [+]

00:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [+]

00:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12561 @ 0.00085626 = 10.7555 BTC [+] {3}

00:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.068956 = 1.3791 BTC [-]

00:46

;;later tell ThickAsThieves speaking of the gaming industry, looks like it's promo, promo, zaniness http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37531/bungie-s-destiny-could-top-gta-5-as-most-expensive-game-ever/index.html

00:46

The operation succeeded.

00:46

"AML regulations are meant to stop drug cartels and terrorists from using banks to conduct criminal activity. But the strict interpretation of those rules may be causing inadvertent harm to people in Somalia — a war-torn country where large numbers of people depend on money transfers from friends and relatives abroad to cover their basic needs."

00:47

http://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/a-modest-attempt-to-ease-aml-rules-side-effects-1067331-1.html?utm_medium=email&ET=americanbanker:e97637:a:&utm_campaign=-may%206%202014&utm_source=newsletter&st=email

00:47

A Modest Attempt to Ease AML Rules Side Effects - Bank Think Article - American Banker

00:48

"As it stands, banks fear being held liable if funds sent through money transmitters reach terrorist organizations or other criminal groups. In one such case, two Somali-American women were found guilty of sending money transfers to the terrorist organization al Shabaab."

00:48

next up

00:49

“Spill response and clean-up creates business and employment opportunities for affected communities, regions, and cleanup service providers.” <<true enough. the gdp-based economy is the car accident economy, which is exactly why bitcoin is so important

00:50

http://business.financialpost.com/2014/05/06/kinder-morgan-clarifies-embarrassing-oil-spill-benefits-comments/?__lsa=98ce-f45a <<kinder morgan dude, who knows what he's talking about as much as the clippers guy, apologized

00:50

Kinder Morgan clarifies embarrassing oil spill benefits comments | Financial Post

00:50

let's break a bunch of windows and pay people to fix them!

00:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.068956 = 0.9654 BTC [-]

00:51

peterl: and make insurance claims! and call ambulances and police to the scene!

00:58

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.068956 = 4.4132 BTC [-]

~ 19 minutes ~

01:18

benkay: mircea_popescu has a standing offer on the table for people to promote the cardano <<say whaaat? colour me curious

01:22

folks

01:22

nubs

01:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.004332 = 0.8317 BTC [+]

01:25

what's the word

01:30

just readin logs atm, looks like drew came by with quite the edm business proposal. mp's flowers must have put him in a fabulous mood because he's !downed newcomers for less

01:31

Duffer1

it was an interesting lesson, drew took it well

01:32

it was more than palatable

~ 18 minutes ~

01:51

anyone here interested in purchasing 1 BTC on YES for http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/ ? I'll give you a 9% premium on current timeweight

01:53

why the sale?

01:55

so much of logz

01:56

TheNewDeal: I'm a poor gambler, and don't know enough about it to make a commitment

01:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00085699 = 5.3133 BTC [+]

01:59

mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology <- last time I suggested I got shot down: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#653313

02:00

[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0071769 = 0.1435 BTC [+]

02:00

fluffypony: ya, logs were intense today

02:00

bitcoinpete: I feel like I missed the action :-P

02:01

you did lol

02:02

purpose of sale is to lock in profits, open up bitcoin for future wagers

02:04

TheNewDeal: it is looking pretty darn sure… i'll mull it over for a day and let you know

02:06

sounds good. ill keep the offer of 24000 timeweight open for the morrow

02:06

cool

02:09

http://linuxgizmos.com/u-s-military-uav-control-systems-switch-to-linux/

02:10

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/the-navys-newest-warship-is-powered-by-linux/

02:10

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2014/02/army-tank-buy.html

02:10

General Dynamics gets contract to build 12 advanced main battle tanks with digital vetronics - Milit

02:11

and with that, i bid ye adieu and bon soir

02:22

mircea_popescu:lol pron anal-yzation engines is where the webmoney is! <- quick! someone tell MRKLYE!

02:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.42411668 = 2.5447 BTC [-] {4}

02:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00085219 = 39.6268 BTC [-] {3}

02:30

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]

02:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1546 @ 0.00085125 = 1.316 BTC [-]

02:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4498999 BTC [+]

02:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00085732 = 18.2609 BTC [+] {3}

02:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18107 @ 0.00085118 = 15.4123 BTC [-] {3}

03:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.068956 = 0.3448 BTC [-]

03:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.068956 = 0.3448 BTC [-]

~ 34 minutes ~

03:38

!up frankenmint

03:38

Voicing frankenmint for 30 minutes.

03:38

frankenmint: oh haaaaai

03:38

wow, hi thanks

03:38

frankenmint: missed your question in #litecoinmining the other day

03:38

I think you should part it out

03:38

I got my package from you finally

03:38

I get the feeling that the only people buying GPU rigs atm are people who want to buy them cheaply

03:39

whereas individual components are more in demand among gamers etc.

03:40

yea which means cutting corners, some hardware hosting folks I talked to mentioned that large private mining clients want barebones power to setup their own rigs and cooling

03:41

yeah

03:41

have you considered renting it out on betarigs or whatever that sight is?

03:41

;;ud pineapples

03:41

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pineapples | what the fuck are you looking at the definition of pineapples for you stupid fuck?

03:41

Urban Dictionary: pineapples

03:42

s/sight/site

03:42

artifexd: lawlz

03:42

hmm thanks for sharing that wow I'm checking it out

~ 24 minutes ~

04:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20648 @ 0.00085793 = 17.7145 BTC [+]

~ 15 minutes ~

04:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.454 = 1.362 BTC [+] {2}

04:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4569 BTC [+]

04:23

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.068956 = 0.5516 BTC [-]

04:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0043001 = 0.129 BTC [-]

04:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17132 @ 0.00085486 = 14.6455 BTC [-]

04:45

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/05/phineas_gage_neuroscience_case_true_story_of_famous_frontal_lobe_patient.html

04:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.0008523 = 10.3981 BTC [-]

04:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067988 = 0.136 BTC [-]

05:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06798699 = 0.4079 BTC [-] {2}

05:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06798654 = 0.6119 BTC [-] {2}

05:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06798578 = 0.5439 BTC [-] {2}

05:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00085244 = 15.9833 BTC [+]

05:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12260 @ 0.00085244 = 10.4509 BTC [+]

~ 20 minutes ~

05:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00085568 = 23.4456 BTC [+] {3}

~ 34 minutes ~

06:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 747 @ 0.00429437 = 3.2079 BTC [-] {5}

06:07

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 47 @ 0.06902924 = 3.2444 BTC [+] {3}

06:12

!up Curious_George

06:12

Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.

~ 23 minutes ~

06:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00085915 = 16.4098 BTC [+] {2}

06:41

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0679864 = 0.136 BTC [-]

06:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06798611 = 0.3399 BTC [-]

06:44

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.06792872 = 1.7661 BTC [-] {3}

06:49

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.454 = 0.908 BTC [-]

06:52

!up johntramp

06:52

Voicing johntramp for 30 minutes.

06:54

johntramp

cheers davout

07:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00085616 = 10.6592 BTC [-]

~ 20 minutes ~

07:25

!up DrewHorne

07:25

Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes.

07:25

How are you fine gentlemen and ladies doing this morning

07:29

not so bad.

07:29

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/464004078817656832

07:29

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @izakaminska @Frances_Coppola ...

07:29

giving twitter a hard time

07:29

jurov

DrewHorne: fine, thanks. you're the festival organizer?

07:30

jurov

...

07:31

mircea_popescu: lol, I read that as "cautious renters" and I was like "how does this relate to people who rent?"

07:32

jurov answered your comment

07:33

fluffypony the socialist state in its final decomposition stages has identified the enemies of the people : savers and owners.

07:33

the burgeoisie, god damned them, keep making it impossible for the working man to find toilet paper in the store.

07:33

in spite of the government having clearly made a rule that there should be toilet paper!

07:34

that's quite accurate

07:34

amusingly enough, venezuela is also a federal republic. only... 30ish years more advanced than the us

07:34

and well, minerally richer.

07:36

meanwhile, listen to this sad story : the mother of a friend, who has been a nurse all her life, 20+ years, and who is actually a very good nurse, and who's got a back injury from lifting people in wheelchair up to busses and so on, has been trying for the past 6 months to get a job.

07:36

because "the recession is over", yet people with valuable experience and qualifications are looking for work. this somehow makes sense.

07:37

the best she could find was this deal where she took ~12 hours' worth of examinations, and they got her a thing for 3 hours / week.

07:37

"maybe they'll find more"

07:37

it pays minimum wage, and no benefits

07:37

and she's taxed on it.

07:37

currently, making ~12 dollars. a week.

07:37

couldn't pay for my fucking coffee. not all the coffee i drink in a week, either, just, one time.

07:38

this is probably also the fault of the rentiers and savers.

07:40

;;later tell benkay "Adding a picture" ? that article is kinda silly.

07:40

The operation succeeded.

07:40

:/

07:40

that makes me sad to hear

07:40

the curse of being born in the best country in the world, a few decades before it became the best country in the world.

07:41

mircea_popescu: if she speaks English, why doesn't she look at the TEFL stuff and similar? I have a friend in Cape Town who teaches English via Skype to foreigners, she doesn't have to speak a foreign language, just has to be able to speak English

07:41

well yes she speaks english, she was born in texas or something, i forget.

07:42

and you know, soime people want to do a certain thing.

07:42

now granted, if the thing they want to do is i dunno, watch tv, then one could say "how about you do this instead".

07:42

but nursing ffs ?

07:43

i don't think there ever existed or could ever exist a functioning society in which nursing jobs are to be discounted because too little demand and too many people wanting to do it.

07:48

LOL: http://i.imgur.com/Q0ByOEI.jpg

07:49

lol

07:50

by the way, that's actually quite ancient chinese stuff.

07:50

"if the cake is tasty we should be together", prolly older than the wheel.

07:50

course, it used to be made by the girl in question, but hey. "if the cake is tasty, maybe we should come to this place more often"

07:50

lol

07:52

TheNewDeal: mpex drop? << yeah it like, plunged a few days ago. it actually does this, probably to mess with mike trying to understand the news impact.

07:53

TheNewDeal: how does it get executed << euro future, settles 15th of each month, can be delivered as euros on bitcoin central.

07:54

DrewHorne #bitcoin-assets on Freenode

07:54

chat.freenode.net (82.96.64.4) port 8001

07:57

http://pastebin.com/tFbfUDBR

07:57

the magnificent assets have any suggestion as to what i should say to the redditard next ?

07:57

im running out of ideas.

07:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24721 @ 0.00085616 = 21.1651 BTC [-]

08:01

mircea_popescu: tell him you have sekrit NSA dokumintz proving it

08:02

fluffypony yeah then he'll just ask me for them

08:02

this is how you acquire stalkers.

08:02

bitcoinpete: just readin logs atm, looks like drew came by with quite the edm business proposal. mp's flowers must have put him in a fabulous mood because he's !downed newcomers for less << someone should sometime do a comparative study of how noobs fare in here.

08:02

i tell you it's not my mood, that'd be like saying the girl was horny. no, no, it was in your approach, not in her horniness i tell you! he somehow, improbably, managed to whistle into the modem.

08:05

fluffypony you didn't get shot down ? i supported it, what did you think "fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business." meant ?

08:07

huh? I got shot down when I suggested that we get someone part-time to sift through logs and make an ongoing anthology?

08:08

you did ?

08:08

read the link you sent again!

08:09

"asciilifeform:fluffypony: have you hired someone to chew your food? why not?"

08:09

see!

08:09

shot down

08:09

:-P

08:09

but what did i say!

08:10

true, I somehow glossed over that comment

08:10

twice

08:10

I was too focused on food-chewers

08:10

well so in that case don't oppose what he said to me eh!

08:10

lol

08:11

when I get some time I may actually go hunting for someone to do that

08:11

get them started from like 12 months ago in the logs

08:12

i would propose going backwards actually.

08:12

interesting

08:12

won't they lack context if they do that?

08:12

they would be building context in the way of the noob, rather than i nthe way of the sacred cow.

08:13

this thing you're making, it's intended to satisfy the needs of noobs, right ?

08:13

you're not trying tro get me to pay for access in order to shake my head

08:14

yes - to satisfy the noobs and if correctly tagged and annotated it's a searchable repository of information

08:14

cool. so then it should build context from present day through archeological remains,

08:14

it's speaking to contemporaries not to people long gone

08:15

like a historian

08:15

an historian

08:15

one of the two

08:15

just no libtard historical rewrites - pls

08:15

yeah. unlike a historian, it has the invaluable advantage that people present in the deepest strata of history are still around today, and they can say either "ah, that one point is fucking stupid, forget it" or the contrary.

08:16

yep

08:16

the lack of which is the worst problem of history, because you never quite know for sure just how important this particular bit of nonsense really is

08:17

incidentally, this could be a phd thesis for a history student in a good uni.

08:17

i dunno that there could be a better one, should get magna.

08:17

I wonder how history will work in the future. You used to have not enough data, now you have too much

08:17

yeah.

08:18

incidentally, if any of you is fucking a history major on the side... maybe it's time for her phd.

08:20

at any rate it'd be proper scholarship, rather than the current courtois-type nonsense.

08:28

*

fluffypony ponders

08:28

what's the rationale behind investors getting voting rights if they cumulatively own like 10% or 20% of a company? doesn't that seem redundant?

08:29

hm ?

08:30

mircea_popescu: getting pushback from 1 person who can't understand why we aren't giving VertPay investors voting rights

08:30

and I'm trying to understand why it's so important to them

08:31

voting rights are nonsense in bitcoin anyway. what the fuck are they going to do, get a confederatied majority and... what, oust you ? take over ?

08:31

voting rights made sense in the old days of geographically fixed agents and material means of production. that situation changed.

08:31

lol

08:32

immaterial means of production and geographically dispersed agents reduces the corporate voting to meaninglessness. not that it worked too well pre bitcoin, either.

08:34

anyway, if you read the original thread of the sdice listing, the same sort of derpage was raised by the losers vocal there. amoing a pile of other "good and considered" reasons not to invest.

08:34

history has shown that their opinions weren't worth holding.

08:35

buying stock should indicate confidence in management, sell is lack of such - what better votes are there?

08:35

chetty: good point

08:36

chetty exactly. but in the old days of imperfect economy, people actually had to have a backchannel, and take over the tractor or whatever it was

08:36

because you couldn't afford to let a physical tractor go to waste, as a society.

08:36

these days, a website going to waste ? heh.

08:36

I like the point where you'd have to trust other shareholder's opinions. I certainly wouldn't want that

08:37

any way you turn it voting shares are nonsensical.

08:37

at the very most tyhe management could solicit nonbinding opinions from holders, there's a mpex mechanism for doing this embedded in some listing agreements,

08:37

but it's not yet been used to date.

08:37

!up DrewHorne

08:37

Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes.

08:38

DrewHorne im really not interested in carrying private conversations. we don't know each other, we have nothing private to discuss.

08:38

thanks

08:38

thats fine, it was my only option as a voiceless

08:38

lol

08:39

how do i check my trust with gribble? i saw that yall were checking me on it last night, that basically checks with gribble on the wot correct?

08:39

/msg mircea_popescu i have naked pix of hot models

08:39

thestringpuller so do i :D

08:39

pankkake: yeah - to a large degree, investors don't *necessarily* have the knowledge to be in the space the business is operating in (otherwise they'd be in the space), so they're just proffering an opinion

08:39

;;gettrust DrewHorne

08:39

Currently authenticated from hostmask DrewHorne!~DrewHorne@215.sub-70-193-130.myvzw.com. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user DrewHorne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=DrewHorne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DrewHorne | Rated since: never

08:39

;;gettrust assbot DrewHorne

08:39

Currently authenticated from hostmask DrewHorne!~DrewHorne@215.sub-70-193-130.myvzw.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DrewHorne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=DrewHorne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DrewHorne | Rated since: never

08:40

so thats basically saying that i am now registered on the wot but i have 0 trust thus far

08:40

?

08:40

;;ident DrewHorne

08:40

Nick 'DrewHorne', with hostmask 'DrewHorne!~DrewHorne@215.sub-70-193-130.myvzw.com', is identified as user 'DrewHorne', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1ESdGLk9MR5mAghLAn5R3419tvmj2FvFMB

08:40

well between assbot

08:40

yes.

08:40

and yourself

08:40

and mircea_popescu '

08:40

right

08:40

thestringpuller no he's actually 0.

08:40

oh wow

08:40

lol

08:40

yea Rated since: NEVER

08:41

DrewHorne anyway, a good step forward, now people could rate you.

08:41

damn i feel old

08:41

thestringpuller that rated since is about my rating, not generally.

08:41

good deal

08:41

successful morning for someone not well versed in the bitcoin space, im a fast learner

08:41

ah thx for clarifying mp

08:41

;;gettrust thestringpuller

08:41

Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 6 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012

08:41

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 141 @ 0.00089989 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2}

08:42

uh.

08:42

no, actually, i was wrong o.O

08:42

it's about you not our relationship. and also, http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=thestringpuller your oldest rating seems to be from oct 17th

08:43

so either gribble actually keeps track of the oldest rating oyu ever got and someone modified their oct 15th rating

08:43

or else there's a bug there

08:43

you mean like someone forgot to * 1000 ?

08:43

:-P

08:44

prolly the former tbh :p

08:44

it's too bad that you only see the last update of a rating. I feel like it has value to know when it appeared first

08:44

pankkake you can log the ratings chan

08:44

so where do i go lurk for something to successfully do to get rated and earn trust?

08:44

or check the blockchain, pankkake :)

08:44

DrewHorne you know how to read thew logs here ?

08:44

not very practical, when you just want to look at someone's ratings

08:45

soon

08:45

i do not

08:45

;;topic

08:45

"oh, these guys have known each other for years" - that info

08:45

http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

08:45

pankkake: I suppose you could talk to the rater and ask them?

08:45

go to the logs web address?

08:45

pankkake it does have a chilling effect, because sometimes i'm hesitant to update very old ratings, and just let them be "good enough"

08:45

DrewHorne you can read the logs of this chan. ocasionally things pop up for people to do.

08:45

1) I'm an assburger 2) but I would rather talk to the ones with the oldest initial rating, anyway

08:45

mircea_popescu: well exactly

08:46

like above the history phd bit. obviously useless to you, as youre no historian by trade, but we are a diverse bucnh with diverse needs.

08:46

pankkake course the canonical way around is to just ask the rater. he can tell you how far back the relationship goes

08:47

the first thing that popped out from the log was "mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology"

08:47

i guess i missed the convo on beating small children

08:47

something not necessarily covered by wot anyway yet, as some people rated each other in 2011 might have known each other since 2001

08:47

damn

08:47

but there was no wot in 2001

08:47

DrewHorne it's in there, read up

08:47

sweet

08:48

how beneficial would a permanent record of such trust relationships be?

08:48

ok so seriously though how is the best way to sort though all of this for an actual task rather than just read all of yalls entertaining multifaceted chat

08:48

HeySteve very ?

08:48

DrewHorne kinda what we're trying to work out atm. there is a wiki, but not too fleshed out yet

08:48

mircea_popescu, for what purposes is it valuable would you say?

08:48

gotcha

08:48

HeySteve you read the theory of economics ?

08:48

seems like there would be a way to archive tasks?

08:49

and then just visit the archive and look through different catalogs?

08:49

DrewHorne: you may want to check the bitcoin-otc order book

08:49

DrewHorne one could do that, sure.

08:49

sometimes there are things in there as well

08:49

http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php

08:49

thanks ill scope it now

08:49

mircea_popescu, Austrian economic theory mostly

08:50

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 37 @ 0.00616423 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {3}

08:52

seems to be more of a buy/sell log

08:52

are there actually services / tasks requested of people on here?

08:52

DrewHorne: not really in any centralised/managed fashion, this isn't a /r/jobs4bitcoins :-P

08:52

haha

08:53

HeySteve http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ i meant that

08:53

well trust is gained from any successful bitcoin transaction in which someone feels fit to rate you, correct?

08:53

pretty much.

08:53

so i could earn trust by either performing a task for someone and demonstrating competency or by purchasing something from someone with bitcoin and just paying them immediately and correctly

08:53

you can read the above link too, it may clarify

08:53

lol touche

08:54

mircea_popescu, yes I've read that

08:54

lol TrustSharesIPO__ / TrustSharesIPO spamming the order book

08:54

mircea_popescu, so this then creates a more comprehensive gazette?

08:54

HeySteve so in those terms, it's valuable for enforcing the point 2, permanence.

08:55

right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement

08:55

indeed, adding a history of past ratings would be a good idea.

08:56

numerisTrade still working towards your comment btw.

08:56

be back later, yall have a good one

08:57

*

mircea_popescu ponders that DrewPistols would be a pretty decent stripper name.

08:57

where do you think i get my money from?

08:57

lol

08:57

;)

09:04

numerisTrade

mircea_popescu, now it's not wywialm, but he says "thank you" :)

09:05

:p

09:09

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0702 = 0.4212 BTC [-] {2}

09:13

<+HeySteve> right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement /// you are fixing it by making something, or fixing your brain?

09:14

<bitcoinpete> speaking of the gaming industry, looks like it's promo, promo, zaniness http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37531/bungie-s-destiny-could-top-gta-5-as-most-expensive-game-ever/index.html /// i just watched the trailer this morning, looks okay, but kinda missing some sizzle if it wants to beat GTA

09:14

fixing things which are not broken is a serious disease, and its contagious

09:14

I dont think it's hard to argue that the current WoT could be improved

09:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

09:15

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07074075 = 0.2122 BTC [+] {2}

09:15

pankakke's concern being one i also share, lack of historical ratings

09:16

I've just checked the db

09:16

nanotube doesn't log changes :(

09:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03355889 = 0.3356 BTC [-] {4}

09:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0314001 = 0.314 BTC [-]

09:16

nanotube: y u UPDATE and not INSERT?

09:17

maybe he keeps the printed log

09:17

checking github noa

09:18

not that this is a 'problem' but i'd also like to see a way to rate entities which haven't registered in the WoT yet

09:18

i wonder if this could be managed by an independent part

09:18

party*

09:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]

09:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0314001 = 0.1256 BTC [-]

09:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0335465 = 0.1342 BTC [-]

09:18

ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea

09:18

i do too

09:19

you see, if the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves?

09:20

fluffypony theres a chan on freenode which prints all changes

09:20

it's not a simple thing to solve or implement though

09:21

<ThickAsThieves> since when do criminals register for such themselves?// great point!!

09:21

I can see the value of rating unregistered entities

09:22

punkman

ThickAsThieves: well there's Paypal for example, but how is that useful http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=paypal

09:22

but there are problems :) they'd have to be clearly identified as proxies

09:22

HeySteve, megacorps arent good examples

09:23

they have reputation that transcends a log

09:23

it may be best to think of them as placeholder ratings which the entities can later assume once validated

09:23

(i could spend time arguing otherwise)

09:23

punkman

well "entities" brings that kind of thing to mind

09:23

ThickAsThieves: if i wanted to argue the opposite i'd say criminals that aren't in the wot weren't part of the economy in the first place, so that would be a non-issue

09:23

a better example would be like JOsh from BFL

09:23

or Peter Vesesnes

09:23

etc

09:23

ThickAsThieves

09:23

what nick would you put josh under?

09:23

bfljosh? real name?

09:23

well these are the finer problems

09:24

you'd need to add several fields to the db

09:24

but it's the core of the problem

09:24

essential to the WoT is identity

09:24

for Real Names and Known Aliases

09:24

essentially

09:24

an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity

09:24

probly with references

09:24

http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/#comment-99619 it is done.

09:24

Economic cycles finally explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:24

which is why opt-in registration is important

09:25

the minute you allow the rating of unidentified individuals you take identity out of it

09:25

<+fluffypony> an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity <- I disagree. someone doesn't have to know your real name to trade with you based on ratings

09:25

HeySteve: identity != real name

09:25

opt-in registeration being easy and clean does not make unregistered identity handling unimportant

09:25

<davout> ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea << i don't think it is.

09:25

fluffypony, ok sure, just clarifying your meaning

09:25

<ThickAsThieves> you see, if the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves? << since forever. read up on "peine forte et dure" ?

09:26

the question isnt has it ever happened

09:26

it is whether it makes sense for it to be a requirement

09:26

the question then becomes who would hold the keys to the placeholder identity? seeing as that identity will also be able to rate people. so what happens if "PayPal" downvotes you?

09:26

but you askled "since when", when in point of fact it was always the case. only recently have courst strayed into this heresy that they have authority to judge over unwilling participants.

09:26

justice never involved this nonsense.

09:27

so a roaming criminal never gets jailed cuz he doesnt recognize the authority?

09:27

<punkman> ThickAsThieves: well there's Paypal for example, but how is that useful http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=paypal << hardly useful tbh. just people using the wot to blog. they could have blogged better on a blog, or on twitter.

09:27

ThickAsThieves ayup.

09:28

i suppose there is a more broken up punishment gazette, the blogosphere and forums etc

09:29

I suppose the whole internet functions as a punishment gazette

09:29

thart's just a forum

09:29

ha!

09:29

this is the problem : clueless people are trying to mix forum into pg.

09:29

they don't belong mixed and so can't mix.

09:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.455 BTC [+]

09:29

another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas

09:29

anyweay davout's argument is souind : if they had no wot they were not part of the economy in the first place.

09:29

deal with something not on the wot at your own risk

09:30

force them to wot as part and parcel of doing business with them, know that their refusal to comply means they're scammers.

09:30

plenty people not in the wot are part of the economy

09:30

Drew: [15:27:46] NaruFGT-phone: Looking for some quick help configuring sendmail, will pay BTC

09:30

just not the economy you can trust

09:30

oh

09:30

he's gone

09:30

I'm thinking there's a whole raft of WoT-related improvements only possible with some degree of hierarchial organisation

09:30

ThickAsThieves so then... they aren't part of the economy. lol

09:31

they arent part of our elitist portion of the economy

09:31

trusted nodes are appointed that can do things like register placeholder identities

09:31

ThickAsThieves this is like saying women that don't have sex are part of the dating market, just not my elitist subsection of it

09:32

next youi're going to claim the us is part of human culture, just, not the elitist part of it.

09:32

chetty: deal with something on the wot at your own risk too!

09:32

:D

09:32

not quite mp

09:32

ThickAsThieves are people who will sell you a house/car but not sign a contract also part of the real estate/car markets

09:32

?

09:33

surely there are people that dont know about or how to WoT, they we trust to be in our ecomonic sphere

09:33

we invite them to join it when we think to

09:33

it's incidental, not definitive

09:34

all purported economic activity that's not taking place between wot registered identities is deffective. if only one wot identity is involved, the whoile thing is in no substantial manner different from the medieval relations between peon and his lord.

09:34

if no wot identity is involved, the thing's irrelevant economically, might as well be two somalis trading cowries

09:34

in some undiscovered island somewhere.

09:34

ThickAsThieves, what if to send Bitcoin to a WoT-registered party cost less in transaction fees than sending it to someone unregistered?

09:35

no

09:35

^

09:35

that's incentivizing

09:35

yes, but what's the specific objection?

09:35

that is the specific objections, fo reals.

09:35

" is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades"

09:35

since when is the scope "recording Bitcoin trades" only ?

09:36

Apocalyptic whence the quote ?

09:36

well it's the bitcoin-otc WoT

09:36

originally

09:36

ThickAsThieves: yeah but it hasn't been purely for -otc since gribble first appeared on a non -otc channel

09:36

Apocalyptic, fair enough it's a fuzzier boundary

09:36

mircea, <HeySteve> another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas

09:36

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust

09:36

Web of trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09:36

a couple lines earlier

09:36

Naphex :)

09:37

ah.

09:37

HeySteve i think you misconstrue the scope of the wot.

09:37

perhaps Bitcoin trade, no S would have been nearer the mark

09:37

ok, now i did mention this metaWoT being handled by an independent party

09:37

Naphex gotta love the gpg-centric view lol

09:38

hehe

09:38

couldnt it just be a separate WoT that had one real WoT account for integration?

09:38

HeySteve not that narrow. the wot holds all trust in human society. all of it.

09:38

i believe we discussed similar ideas in the past

09:38

a wot web

09:38

soon enough political office will be decided simply by wots.

09:38

mircea_popescu, in theory but in practical usage today, it's mostly for the Bitcoin community

09:38

to a large degree it already is, in the offices that matter anyway.

09:38

*crypto community

09:38

HeySteve people.

09:38

WoT was around before gribble as well

09:39

nobody;'s fault the rest of the bipedals aren't human.

09:39

i remember crypto channels, with WoT auth

09:39

well, I was discussing the failings of democracy elsewhere as it's SA election day today

09:39

it's been the curse of the humancondition, this, for most times and places most bipedal life forms were bios rather than zoon

09:40

Naphex definitely. gribble is just an incremental improvement.

09:40

<DinoSaw> people's influence should rise and fall in accordance with their reputation, based on their recent actions

09:40

<DinoSaw> not vote for them today, giving them free reign to break their promises and do wtf they like / get paid to do for the next X years

09:41

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2014#657038 < this sort of thing.

09:41

#bitcoin-assets log

09:41

I agree it has great application to politics, yet I still don't see why incentivising people to join the WoT is bad

09:41

HeySteve do you see why incentivising people to marry is bad ?

09:41

not in every case, no

09:42

i didn'tg say "it's in every case bad"

09:42

for it to be bad, it suffices that there is one case where it's bad.

09:42

maybe the country is low on population growth for eg

09:42

nobody gives a shit about your country.

09:42

this is about individuals.

09:42

the only thing that matters.

09:42

it's also a sliper fucking slope

09:42

it's about leading individuals to choices you consider to be in their best interest

09:43

like raising taxes on cigarettes

09:43

you have no business "considering" that.

09:43

one day you invent the coupon, 20 years later you have an economy bent on quantity over quality

09:43

this is what bitcoin is here to do : make it impossible for pompous assholes to raise taxes on cigarettes.

09:43

what is society agrees cigarettes are bad?

09:44

*if

09:44

that's irrelevany

09:44

*irrelevant

09:44

then they wont smoke them

09:44

what society ?

09:44

whoever thinks they're bad can not smoke them

09:45

what about second hand mambo jambo?:p

09:45

what about my firm conviction that you should go around naked ?

09:45

it's fucking better for you. strip, bitch!

09:45

you're giving me 2nd hand textillic retinopathy.

09:45

well, there is a collective good. individuals function within social boundaries

09:45

there is no such thing as collective anything.

09:45

that's a whole other (probably great) conversation

09:45

that's the myth of #fiat-asses.

09:46

"2nd hand textillic retinopathy" <<< nice

09:46

how wearing clothes shapes humanity

09:46

ThickAsThieves much softer footsoles, for one.

09:46

well it's base deception right

09:46

let me both hide and distract you with my very body

09:47

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.00601095 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2}

09:47

(clothes)

09:47

this likely echoes across so many things

09:47

hugely compelx anthropotopic, this. and i am not actually arguing against clothes per se

09:47

hmm well, in the context I propose incentivising certain behaviours and taxing others, there is no central authority doing it. there is the code which people are free to use

09:47

merely pointing out how easily dysfunctional this "common good" argument is.

09:47

yeah

09:47

i'll stay ot

09:48

HeySteve the only reason i comment is because you seemed to want to know why i wouldn't use it.

09:48

thus the argument against central authority is less meaningful. there are rules individuals agree to abide by

09:48

obviously.

09:48

HeySteve, you couldnt do it anyway

09:48

I understand, I am looking more for an economic reason why doing things that way leads to failure

09:49

discounting as a method is always a poor method of marketing

09:49

but anyway, since we're doing great covnersation : someone should write an essay on the possibility - in principle - of distinguishing between "common good" and "groupthink". writer out criteria, give me a method, break that shit up.

09:49

it doesnt mean it cant work

09:49

i posit such a thing is impossible.

09:49

certainly, the welfare state sucks. it incentivizes behaviour which is harmful to the society

09:49

HeySteve "certainly, the welfare state sucks. it incentivizes behaviour."

09:49

period.

09:49

!up Dimsler

09:49

Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.

09:50

:D well here we don't quite agree, but yes it's a good debate to have

09:50

http://bitbet.us/bet/716/btc-worth-over-/

09:50

BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015

09:50

whose betting?

09:50

who's

09:50

correct

09:51

ThickAsThieves technically his could have been correct

09:51

if he were asking whose goose that is.

09:51

true

09:51

but unlikely

09:51

whose would be possessive

09:51

in context

09:51

his name is Dimsler after all

09:51

;;ud dimsler

09:51

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dimsler | English. Arabic · Azerbaijani · Bengali · Bulgarian · Chinese · Czech · Danish · Dutch · English · Filipino · French · German · Greek · Hebrew · Hungarian ...

09:51

Urban Dictionary: dimsler

09:53

argh

09:53

someone put a pic up of my house on google images

09:54

from the wiki on peine forte et dure:

09:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.0008564 = 1.7128 BTC [+]

09:54

"Obviously, a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable

09:54

"

09:55

fluffypony: you pinged, what's up?

09:55

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140501/18550127094/silk-road-20-now-larger-than-silk-road-ever-was.shtml

09:55

Silk Road 2.0 Now Larger Than Silk Road Ever Was | Techdirt

09:56

nanotube: I was looking at gribbles db

09:56

nanotube: why don't you insert ratings into the table instead of updating them, and then just use a subquery to group by rated_user_id / rater_user_id when getting data?

09:56

we're struggling with the lack of historical ratings when people change ratings

09:57

punkman

I remember seeing a link for dowloading the data in bulk on -otc.com, was it deprecated?

09:57

well, i have logs... but i didn't think it would be useful to bloat the db with historical crud.

09:58

nanotube: ok then why not shift historical ratings into an archived rating table? that way the main ratings table doesn't bloat, but the historical data is still around

10:00

spamming changes could bloat the archive, it might be good to have a time limit or cost

10:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00085628 = 16.6975 BTC [-] {2}

10:00

yeah, rate limit changes to 1 a day

10:00

no

10:00

no

10:00

"New York - La banque américaine JPMorgan Chase est en train de fermer les comptes bancaires d'actuels et d'anciens dirigeants hauts placés non-américains et de diplomates, a-t-on appris mardi auprès d'une source proche du dossier"

10:00

well it's not a bad idea generally speaking, just isn't how it happens presently. :)

10:01

ThickAsThieves, davout: why not? what's the use-case for multiple changes a day?

10:01

typos?

10:01

oic oic

10:01

ok didn't think about that

10:01

fluffypony: also you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist

10:01

nanotube: if I get a bit of time I can make the changes and submit a PR?

10:01

it's already rate-limited as commands to gribble

10:01

which is like 10/minute

10:02

if db bloat is a real problem, then treat it like backups, 1 yearly, 1 monthly, 1 weekly, 1 daily

10:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.45989897 = 2.2995 BTC [+] {2}

10:02

then it becomes a backup system

10:02

rather than historical

10:02

imposing costs for certain actions turns the WoT into something of a business, I'd favour that way to limit spam

10:02

the problem is imposing costs means you have to set costs, meaning you can't avoid (dis)incentivisation

10:03

ThickAsThieves: well atm the db is 3mb, so I don't see it growing massively - double-ish that size if every single rating was updated:-P

10:03

the issue is spam

10:03

ThickAsThieves> "Obviously, a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable << this is what the contemporary thinks.

10:03

beware of obviously.

10:04

basically the WoT is to be thought of as the very incentive itself

10:04

Apocalyptic lol good one

10:04

ThickAsThieves: but then we're back to what davout said, solving a problem that doesn't exist

10:04

fluffypony: well, we'd have to discuss the details of implementation first... and whether it's worth it at all. what exactly is the source of your need for historical data?

10:04

i wouldnt frame it as a problem per se

10:04

nanotube: reference material + pankkake's laziness

10:05

ThickAsThieves: well, then why would it need solving ?

10:05

it's seeing if we can practically have access to more info

10:05

actually mostly pankkake's laziness

10:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.44000037 = 1.76 BTC [-] {3}

10:05

all blame pankkake

10:05

like the wayback machine

10:05

Publicly accessible/searchable logs of #bitcoin-otc-ratings would suffice

10:06

^

10:06

probably

10:06

im with artifexd actually. it's enough.

10:06

haha well, doesn't sound like a great reason :P. but yea anyone's welcome to join -otc-ratings and log.

10:06

what if ratings changes were added to ;;events then?

10:06

someone probably is.

10:07

nanotube, what if you just post a file of the historical log

10:07

for people to dl and parse however they like

10:07

daily or whatever

10:08

ThickAsThieves you know sooner or later you'll have to make the plunge and learn how to make a bot

10:08

pick up supybot, it's not hard, will be a day of fun.

10:08

it's suboptimal for anyone but gribble to do it

10:08

why ?

10:08

beause you cant rate without gribble present

10:08

but you csan without tatbot

10:08

you join it to -otc-events

10:08

and log.

10:09

this helps keep gribble honest, what if it later decides to lie ?

10:09

so if gribble is doing it, you know it hasnt missed anything

10:09

if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log

10:09

but if nobody is doing things like keeping the log

10:09

<ThickAsThieves> if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log // he has a point

10:09

we'll never know if it ever decides to lie

10:10

how goes nubbins`

10:10

well sun may not rise in the morning, got to stop doubt somewhere

10:11

there are people who keep the sunrise log.

10:12

this brings me to my next wot area of concern

10:12

centralization

10:12

not bad! busy in the studio these days

10:13

ThickAsThieves, with logs available it's pretty recoverable. trust required however

10:13

shopping for a stack cutter these days, looking at the Dahle 842: http://www.crddistribution.ca/images/cuttingSolutions/842_stack.jpg

10:13

HeySteve only to a degree

10:14

what if nanotube dies, gribble gets compromised and farts all over the ratings

10:14

etc

10:14

yeah that's what I mean, we must trust nanotube and gribble

10:15

and various links in how those key parts function

10:15

nubbins`: is that for trimming the edges off a stack of magazines/posters/whatever?

10:16

yep, will cut 200 pages at once

10:16

neat

10:16

guillotine pro

10:16

:-P

10:16

do you prefer manual over electric, or just saving money?

10:22

nubbins` there was this guy tryhing to get a music festival going earlier.

10:22

<ThickAsThieves> what if nanotube dies, gribble gets compromised and farts all over the ratings << we got teh logs ?

10:23

what if the compromise is more insidious

10:23

like it happens over a year

10:23

or is otherwise difficult to detect

10:24

logs.

10:24

what if the logs are a lie

10:24

trust, but verify is the recipe to perfect security.

10:24

3rd party logs are all a lie ?

10:25

i suppose not, assuming they are logged by several trustworthy parties

10:25

trust, but verify is also why eventual consistency is so deeply buried at the root of practical business.

10:26

;;later tell nubbins` need to talk more about invoices etc. etc. been lazy recently gimme a ping when you aren't busy

10:26

The operation succeeded.

10:27

this looks neat http://www.wired.com/2014/05/hack-slash-zelda-game/?mbid=social_fb

10:28

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1336 BTC [-]

10:32

ThickAsThieves, great concept

10:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0008564 = 13.2742 BTC [+]

10:38

one proposal to move to distributed wot http://privwiki.dreamhosters.com/wiki/Distributed_Web_of_Trust_Proposal_2

10:38

see #bitcoin-wot

10:38

pigeons

10:39

will that break compatibility with the existing WoT?

10:39

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.13334997 = 1.3335 BTC [-] {2}

10:40

read it

10:40

its different so, sort of

10:40

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0330021 = 0.132 BTC [-]

10:41

I did read it

10:41

that's why I was asking

10:41

like is compatibility a goal at all, for eg.

10:42

o wow pigeons lives!

10:43

pigeons you read the http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ?

10:43

because im not happy with the The contract operationalizes the trust values in a currency-neutral

10:43

way, by making the values of 0-100 mean "percent of current world GDP

10:43

per capita that I would trust this person with".

10:44

no i dont read paywalled sites ;)

10:44

but yeah good point that is pretty weird metric

10:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0706 = 0.706 BTC [-]

10:46

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1333333 BTC [-]

10:47

re centralization and trust: yes each rating ideally would be signed. (todo list...)

10:47

re currency neutral trust measure: if you have anything else to suggest... i'd be happy to hear alternatives

10:48

;;tslb

10:48

Time since last block: 14 minutes and 54 seconds

10:49

Apocalyptic: Does Crypton keep logs?

10:49

it indeed does

10:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 450 @ 0.00432353 = 1.9456 BTC [+] {4}

10:50

"yes each rating ideally would be signed." <<< this

10:50

Would you be willing to share? Specifically the logs from #bitcoin-otc-ratings.

10:51

It hasn't been logging for very long though

10:52

nanotube "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorers confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four."

10:52

from the same link

10:52

How long has it been keeping logs?

10:52

Roughly

10:52

let me check

10:52

pigeons if you mostly don't read it you can pretend like it's not paywalled.

10:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45989895 = 1.3797 BTC [+] {2}

10:53

from 2014/01/14 05:17:47 roughly

10:54

Excellent. Thank you.

10:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.072 = 0.576 BTC [+]

10:55

yw, also there was some periods of downtime, so don't expect an exhaustive log

11:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53171 @ 0.00085534 = 45.4793 BTC [-] {4}

11:01

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 1260 @ 0.038 = 47.88 BTC {9}

11:01

ThickAsThieves money is the concern atm

11:02

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4538 @ 0.038 = 172.444 BTC {50}

11:02

we won't be doing a huge amount of cutting, so a ~$1k manual cutter is more sensible than a $6-10k electric

11:03

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 2001 @ 0.038 = 76.038 BTC {30}

11:03

mircea_popescu a bitcoin music festival?

11:04

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 402 @ 0.038 = 15.276 BTC {14}

11:04

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.07318227 = 4.2446 BTC [+] {5}

11:05

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 230 @ 0.038 = 8.74 BTC {7}

11:05

nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663483

11:06

*

nubbins` groans

11:06

"out of the worlds population of 7 billion, 3.6 billion are under the age of 30, and 2 billion are millennials."

11:06

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 86 @ 0.038 = 3.268 BTC {8}

11:06

like you know, 14 yo indian woman raped daily is a milennial too.

11:06

sweet, let's get 2bn chinese and pakistani kids together and throw a rave

11:07

gangam stayl

11:07

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.038 = 3.61 BTC {9}

11:07

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.071 = 2.13 BTC [-] {3}

11:07

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0633775 = 0.2535 BTC [-] {4}

11:07

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0332001 = 0.332 BTC [+]

11:07

rent in gangnam is like $10k/sqft

11:07

style indeed

11:08

bbl building a $1bn techno empire

11:08

*

nubbins` chuckles

11:08

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03306806 = 0.2976 BTC [-] {3}

11:08

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 38 @ 0.038 = 1.444 BTC {4}

11:09

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.038 = 0.912 BTC {4}

11:10

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 161 @ 0.038 = 6.118 BTC {5}

11:11

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012583 = 0.1258 BTC [+]

11:11

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 227 @ 0.038 = 8.626 BTC {6}

11:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0700001 = 0.28 BTC [-]

11:12

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.038 = 1.9 BTC {3}

11:12

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0700001 = 0.35 BTC [-]

11:13

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 210 @ 0.038 = 7.98 BTC {5}

11:14

http://thecoinfront.com/saskatchewan-mining-company-hit-with-cease-trade-order/

11:14

Saskatchewan Mining Company Hit with Cease Trade Order | The CoinFront | Bitcoin News

11:14

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.038 = 0.76 BTC {4}

11:14

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.07 = 4.48 BTC [-] {2}

11:15

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 117 @ 0.038 = 4.446 BTC

11:15

omf yes plz : http://thecoinfront.com/buy-lego-with-crypto-at-brickchain/

11:16

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0700001 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}

11:16

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.038 = 0.38 BTC

11:17

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 208 @ 0.038 = 7.904 BTC {3}

11:18

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.038 = 0.456 BTC {2}

11:18

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07156246 = 0.5725 BTC [+] {2}

11:19

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 134 @ 0.00086211 = 0.1155 BTC [-]

11:19

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 108 @ 0.038 = 4.104 BTC {3}

11:20

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.038 = 0.798 BTC {3}

11:20

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0700001 = 0.49 BTC [-]

11:21

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.038 = 0.532 BTC {2}

11:22

chetty heh.

11:22

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 155 @ 0.038 = 5.89 BTC {5}

11:22

canada trying hard to make sure it won't exist in the future huh.

11:23

"Susans interest in crypto currency flows naturally from her abiding love of social media, the Internet and the environment."

11:23

the things these people imagine to constitute natural flow.

11:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03399998 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2}

11:23

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.038 = 0.494 BTC {2}

11:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07451354 = 1.6393 BTC [+] {3}

11:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [-]

11:30

speaking of millenials

11:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF8NRlAoMLY

11:30

The Biggest Douchebag On Vine - YouTube

11:31

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {2}

11:32

ahaha

11:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28460 @ 0.00085656 = 24.3777 BTC [+] {2}

11:33

splendid document of what the absolutely normal teenager is, does, and looks like.

11:33

gubermint saying they failed to pay proper vigoresh

11:33

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0395 = 0.553 BTC [+] {3}

11:34

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/464065691792859136

11:34

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Check out the #nigger : ...

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [+] {2}

11:35

GRAAA-ta-taaaaa

11:36

dude scrypt is actually selling?

11:36

da fuq is this shit

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [+] {2}

11:36

fluffypony didja want a via ?

11:37

a via?

11:37

thestringpuller: it's PETA's scrypt farm, they apparently have access to chipz

11:37

via @fluffypony

11:37

oh lol, no that's fine

11:38

i figured better not, seeing how you never know when it shows up on your sm profile :D

11:39

lol

11:39

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0395 = 1.027 BTC [+] {3}

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000021 = 0.35 BTC [-]

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [+] {4}

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44020021 BTC [-]

11:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44020011 BTC [-]

11:41

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0395 = 1.4615 BTC [+] {3}

11:42

fluffypony: nice one

11:42

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012302 = 0.9842 BTC [-] {11}

11:42

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 27 @ 0.0395 = 1.0665 BTC [+] {2}

11:43

benkay benkay benkay (does it work like beetlejuice?)

11:43

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.0395 = 1.5405 BTC [+] {2}

11:44

benkay

morning, thestringpuller

11:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44020005 = 0.8804 BTC [-] {2}

11:45

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]

11:46

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 241 @ 0.0395 = 9.5195 BTC [+] {3}

11:46

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44001011 BTC [-]

11:47

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [+]

11:48

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.0395 = 0.6715 BTC [+]

11:50

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]

11:51

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [+]

11:52

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]

11:57

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]

11:58

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.006011 = 0.1202 BTC [-]

12:00

[MPEX] [S.BBET] 750 @ 0.000515 = 0.3863 BTC [-]

12:01

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]

12:02

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [+]

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07479105 = 0.374 BTC [-]

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 222 @ 0.00423001 = 0.9391 BTC [-]

12:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0339 = 0.5085 BTC [-]

12:05

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 45 @ 0.0395 = 1.7775 BTC [+] {2}

12:06

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2330 @ 0.00017237 = 0.4016 BTC [+] {5}

12:07

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1765 @ 0.00018028 = 0.3182 BTC [+] {5}

12:07

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.006011 = 0.1383 BTC [-] {2}

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4484 @ 0.00020766 = 0.9311 BTC [+] {7}

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 135 @ 0.00601 = 0.8114 BTC [-] {2}

12:10

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700101 = 0.14 BTC [-]

12:11

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0395 = 0.869 BTC [+] {3}

12:12

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [+]

12:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15580 @ 0.00085502 = 13.3212 BTC [-]

12:17

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [+]

12:20

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/urme-surveillance-developing-devices-to-protect-the-public

12:20

URME SURVEILLANCE: Developing Devices to Protect the Public | Indiegogo

12:21

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [+] {3}

12:23

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.0395 = 0.2765 BTC [-]

12:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330504 = 0.1653 BTC [-] {3}

12:26

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.0395 = 1.3825 BTC [-] {2}

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [-] {2}

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03177155 = 0.2859 BTC [+] {2}

12:28

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.04015217 = 0.9235 BTC [+] {3}

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989876 BTC [+]

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]

12:31

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [-] {3}

12:32

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0395 = 1.185 BTC [-] {3}

12:34

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]

12:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45989793 = 1.3797 BTC [-] {2}

12:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.07474997 = 1.4202 BTC [+] {4}

12:36

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07479333 = 0.4488 BTC [+] {2}

12:37

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2}

12:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0748 = 0.1496 BTC [+] {2}

12:38

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.041 = 1.066 BTC [+]

12:39

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [-]

12:40

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]

12:41

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 261 @ 0.0395 = 10.3095 BTC [-] {2}

12:42

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] {3}

12:43

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]

12:45

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0395 = 1.4615 BTC [-] {2}

12:46

http://investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-alerts/investor-alert-bitcoin-other-virtual-currency-related-investments#.U2pjHPldV8F

↖

12:46

Investor Alert: Bitcoin and Other Virtual Currency-Related Investments | Investor.gov

12:46

!up aabtc

12:46

Voicing aabtc for 30 minutes.

12:47

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.004201 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2}

12:47

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2}

12:47

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989887 BTC [+]

12:48

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989887 BTC [+]

12:48

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]

12:48

quite reasonable.

12:51

[HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.0071198 = 0.178 BTC [+]

12:51

not bad .jpg

12:52

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]

12:53

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.0395 = 1.9355 BTC [-] {2}

12:59

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] {2}

13:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.45990908 = 4.5991 BTC [+] {3}

13:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70375084 BTC to 8`603 shares, 31428 satoshi per share

13:07

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 59 @ 0.0395 = 2.3305 BTC [-] {2}

13:08

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]

13:11

old, but somehow missed this:

13:11

http://www.ssb.state.tx.us/News/Press_Release/03-11-14_press.php

13:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315001 = 0.1575 BTC [-]

13:17

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]

13:19

asciilifeform you recall the lulz that was ?

13:19

"we are not the identity police" etc.

13:19

gave the texans quite a scare.

13:20

vaguely.

13:21

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]

13:23

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]

13:24

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]

13:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7366 @ 0.00085576 = 6.3035 BTC [+]

13:27

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 125 @ 0.0395 = 4.9375 BTC [-] {2}

13:28

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 130 @ 0.0395 = 5.135 BTC [-] {3}

13:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 385 @ 0.00419032 = 1.6133 BTC [-] {4}

13:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0319888 = 0.2879 BTC [+] {3}

13:31

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-police-sex-line-20140506,0,5534853.story

13:31

Baltimore police complaint hotline number connects callers to adult chat line - baltimoresun.com

13:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00085679 = 14.7368 BTC [+] {3}

13:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+]

13:31

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]

13:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339 = 0.1695 BTC [+] {5}

13:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.4599999 = 1.84 BTC [+]

13:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.074297 = 0.3715 BTC [-] {3}

13:35

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]

13:37

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]

13:39

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]

13:39

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.074297 = 0.2229 BTC [-]

13:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

13:41

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]

13:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03366061 = 0.3366 BTC [-] {3}

13:49

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.0395 = 1.975 BTC [-] {2}

13:50

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 127 @ 0.0395 = 5.0165 BTC [-]

13:50

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03150009 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2}

13:51

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5827 BTC [-]

13:51

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03146874 = 0.2517 BTC [-] {3}

13:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.031775 = 0.1271 BTC [+] {2}

13:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03361343 = 0.3025 BTC [-] {3}

13:52

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-]

13:55

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.0395 = 1.106 BTC [-] {2}

13:56

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0395 = 1.027 BTC [-]

13:57

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]

14:01

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [-] {2}

14:01

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00416111 = 0.4161 BTC [-] {3}

14:02

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]

14:05

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-] {2}

14:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0319 = 0.2233 BTC [+]

14:06

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

14:07

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03380761 = 0.4395 BTC [+] {2}

14:07

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.0395 = 1.106 BTC [-]

14:12

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00425705 = 0.1064 BTC [+]

14:13

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 46 @ 0.0395 = 1.817 BTC [-]

14:16

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-]

14:23

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]

14:24

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]

14:26

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 183 @ 0.0395 = 7.2285 BTC [-] {2}

14:28

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]

14:33

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]

14:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.03338325 = 0.9347 BTC [-] {2}

14:46

oh god that vine wigga :/ it's torture

14:49

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]

14:52

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]

14:53

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6485 @ 0.0395 = 256.1575 BTC [-] {3}

14:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07112491 = 0.3556 BTC [-]

14:55

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [-]

14:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07112501 = 0.4268 BTC [+]

14:55

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2272 @ 0.00012054 = 0.2739 BTC [-] {9}

14:56

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-]

14:56

pankkake: he's hardcore (tm)

14:59

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]

15:01

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1538 @ 0.00085115 = 1.3091 BTC [-] {11}

15:01

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [-]

15:02

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] {4}

15:08

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07114634 = 2.4901 BTC [+] {3}

15:09

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]

15:10

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [-]

15:12

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 63 @ 0.0395 = 2.4885 BTC [-]

15:17

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0395 = 0.553 BTC [-]

15:18

danielpbarron

18:40:56 <+mircea_popescu> decimation you know i just had this dispute with native speaker today ? because she said "tuna" with a plain u like in cartoon << in english: when there is only one consonant in-between two vowels, the first vowel becomes "long" (usually).

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [-]

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0739999 = 0.148 BTC [+]

15:19

Americans say "toona" instead of "tyoon-a"

15:19

*some* Americans, sorry

15:20

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]

15:21

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 61 @ 0.0395 = 2.4095 BTC [-] {2}

15:22

danielpbarron

i just installed openbsd with a flash-drive, onto another flash-drive; so far this is the nicest OS i've ever had the pleasure to install

15:22

the firewall is sweet on it

15:23

i couldn't install freebsd

15:23

i totally failed at it

15:23

i think i remember looking at doing fbsd, but then i figured gentoo would be better for desktop

15:24

i ended up on obsd for a couple years on my laptop cause they had the best reverse engineered wifi drivers

15:24

and linux couldn't make up its mind on what wireless stack to adopt (there were like 6 or 7)

15:25

turbo_ac100

kakobrekla: Hey what about showing the weight of bets in the middle of the betboxmetadiv s on the mainpage?

15:25

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]

15:26

danielpbarron: What kind of hardware?

15:27

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 734 @ 0.00085261 = 0.6258 BTC [+] {2}

15:28

http://thedevilsadvocate.biz/ wtf

15:28

The Devil's Advocate - Home

15:28

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 400 @ 0.0008808 = 0.3523 BTC [+] {3}

15:28

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]

15:29

mike_c

mircea_popescu: http://devilsadvocate.biz/

15:29

aok

15:29

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]

15:31

danielpbarron

BingoBoingo, so far I'm testing it out on one of the many old boxes that have been taking up space in my room; the one that worked is a "Shuttle"

15:32

danielpbarron: Cool, I'm just playing it on an older x86 box atm. Was wondering if you'r tried it with newer hardware.

15:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0008572 = 14.6581 BTC [+]

15:35

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]

15:40

funroll-all-the-loops!

15:40

*

fluffypony kicks gcc

15:40

time to switch back to icc

15:43

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]

15:44

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]

15:48

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0395 = 1.185 BTC [-]

15:55

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6758 @ 0.00011861 = 0.8016 BTC [-] {5}

15:56

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.0395 = 0.9085 BTC [-] {2}

16:01

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]

16:02

mircea_popescu: are you going to remove oix?

16:02

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.0395 = 2.8045 BTC [-]

16:02

!ticker m ^OIX

16:02

[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)

16:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21102 @ 0.00085731 = 18.091 BTC [+] {4}

16:08

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 122081 @ 0.00010133 = 12.3705 BTC [-] {18}

16:10

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [-] {2}

16:12

http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-conservative-media-drudge-hannity-face-regulation-like-pacs/article/2548163

16:12

FEC chair warns that conservative media like Drudge Report and Sean Hannity face regulation --- like

16:15

Chris Sevier, a man from Florida, believes he should be allowed to wed his Macbook.

16:15

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]

16:16

chetty: Who can truly tell that man his love is wrong.

16:16

what is jetlife

16:17

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011687 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {3}

16:19

BingoBoingo: where you wanna catch a game at?

16:19

i never been to St Louis stadium

16:20

thestringpuller: That's a good question. I'm kind of delaying the issue atm due to some medical stuff. Busch should be fine though.

16:20

sorry to hear that :(

16:20

It happens

16:20

i wasn't planning on an itenerary before July

16:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00085609 = 13.2694 BTC [-] {2}

16:20

what a trooper

16:21

At least I've been able to sit down these past few days.

16:24

new blog posts will be coming then? :)

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 57 @ 0.0395 = 2.2515 BTC [-] {2}

16:35

thestringpuller: Yeah. Just adjusting to sobriety and these analgesics

16:35

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00012895 = 3.8685 BTC [+] {27}

16:36

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12890 @ 0.00014612 = 1.8835 BTC [+] {8}

16:37

Could drink now and completely blow the liver being on all of these antibiotics, or wait this out and drink fruitfully long into the future.

16:38

turbo_ac100 that would make it too crammed

16:40

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.0395 = 7.9 BTC [-]

16:41

thestringpuller proll

16:41

y

16:41

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2700 @ 0.00014699 = 0.3969 BTC [-] {2}

16:42

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]

16:45

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 79 @ 0.0395 = 3.1205 BTC [-]

16:48

I've talked with Unisys by voice and E-mail, and the voice discussion was entirely unsatisfactory as I posted when it happened - basically the Unisys guy said anyone who sells code for $100-$300 a pop was a total _____ for selling it that cheap.

16:49

and these are 1993 dollars, pre 5 or so bubbles. prolly 5k in today's obamadollars.

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3810 @ 0.000145 = 0.5525 BTC [-]

16:51

!up Mats_cd03

16:51

Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

16:54

uniwat?

16:55

this old company, sort-of like a jpmorgan of the 90s.

16:55

at the time it was a big deal.

16:55

now it sells rubber ducklings imported from malaysia.

16:55

HAHA

16:57

I know wat unisys are, the ultimate consultancy

16:58

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17000 @ 0.00013001 = 2.2102 BTC [-] {4}

16:58

consulting on how to import ducklings successfully ?

16:58

Apocalyptic they pissed everyone off with their appaling treatment of the lzw patent

16:58

which they shouldn't havew had in the first place.

16:58

!up BCB

16:58

Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.

16:59

anyone see the SEC investor warning

16:59

see logs.

16:59

http://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2013/10/an-update-on-toyota-and-unintended-acceleration/

16:59

An Update on Toyota and Unintended Acceleration « Barr Code

16:59

anyone see the California Lawyer Bitcoin article

17:00

BCB: what SEC warning?

17:01

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#664942

17:01

#bitcoin-assets log

17:01

http://youtu.be/dxDbenBTGp0 note the allahu snackbars getting progressively louder

17:01

Azelphur: "investor alert" http://investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-alerts/investor-alert-bitcoin-other-virtual-currency-related-investments#.U2qfJfk7u-3

17:02

kinda like car alarms, but fucktarded

17:02

fun

17:02

My favorite quote “we don’t do any verification” and “we’re not the paperwork police.”

17:02

Another Trendon Shavers

17:02

Azelphur: how is the beach? Getting warm there yet?

17:03

BCB: great, nice and warm (But air conditioning), sunshine and beach babes, can't complain.

17:03

Azelphur: you should set up a live-stream bikini-cam!

17:04

BCB: I had one for a while, but I don't have anything high resolution enough to see detail :p

17:04

http://www.livingtransformation.ch/index.php/a-history-of-healing/79-science/118-heart-brain

17:04

The Heart Brain

17:05

Azelphur: details are important

17:05

hehe

17:05

BCB: got a friend of mine and aldur1 coming down, gonna raise the collective IQ of the town by a few points.

17:06

Ha! I bet!

17:06

hehe

17:08

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [+]

17:09

and one for the bucket list: base jumping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtundW1rZ2A

17:09

Aaaand that's all for today

17:09

Mats_cd03: lol! why does throttle need to be electric again?

17:10

why does everything have to be electric is the better question

17:10

'in the future, all chairs shall be electric.'

17:11

i guess it would be cool if you could electrify my dong

17:11

erection via BLE

17:12

Mats_cd03: even this has been done.

17:13

i live in america, its probably too expensive :( that would be quite a firmware upgrade

17:13

my toyota is plagued by unintented acceleration

17:13

try the electrified butt plugs

17:16

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2744 @ 0.00013 = 0.3567 BTC [-] {3}

17:16

re: unisys: pediwikia has an interesting summary - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisys#Controversies

17:18

https://jlopp.github.io/statoshi/

17:18

Statoshi by jlopp

17:21

!up Mats_cd03

17:21

Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.

17:24

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [+]

17:28

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/terrible-twos-who-stay-terrible/

17:29

how do you guys feel about the Pomodoro technique

17:29

or just about focus techniques in general

17:29

never really see too much info on that in this channel

17:29

thestringpuller

17:30

I use pomodoro when I've got too much on my plate

17:30

my focus technique is to get super baked and do work

17:30

otherwise I work on something for 5 minutes and then get distracted by this other thing I need to do

17:30

yup

17:30

pomodoro is really good for that scenario

17:30

pomodoro helps me to output so much more code

17:30

thestringpuller: bitcoin is over

17:30

it's even good for meetings

17:31

but outside of that I drop 100mg Provigil in the morning and I'm fine

17:31

start a pomodoro and force people to stay on topic for at least 25 minutes

17:31

these kids an provigil

17:31

isn't that an anti-narcoleptic?

17:31

like da fuq

17:31

yep pretty much

17:31

i like it but it doesn't help me focus

17:32

def keeps you awake

17:32

Mats_cd03: I found I was having a nap in the afternoon

17:32

and I didn't like having 2-3 cups of coffee at 2pm

17:32

i think that might be my first real blog post

17:32

just to keep going

17:32

how to use the pomodoro

17:32

thestringpuller: do it

17:32

i have to migrate my blog from tumblr

17:33

thestringpuller.tumblr.com

17:33

i dont experience much (<25%) cognitive decline after 24 hours when i temper it with provigil across the same period

17:34

iirc this is why usaf pilots are now on provigil regimens instead of amphetamines for long overflight missions

17:34

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [+]

17:34

yea but you still burn out certain receptors for long durations

17:34

Mats_cd03: and it's a gentle lift, not an extreme yank, which is nice

17:36

fluffypony: i too have napped on it, but i consume 50mg during waking periods i use it to avoid developing a tolerance

17:36

Mats_cd03: oh I meant I napped without it

17:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00085551 = 21.1311 BTC [-] {4}

17:36

when I'm on it I don't nap

17:38

i remember reading about a poker player consuming ridiculous doses, like close to a gram, because he abused it for so long to gain a perceived edge in training sessions and subsequently tournaments

17:39

:/

17:39

that's nuts

17:39

its really not terribly special other than the edge case where you need all the cognitive performance you can get while sustaining on low sleep

17:40

damn i'm going to miss MPOE-PR's writing

17:40

onto bigger and better things I suppose

17:40

I'm spending my downtime at work re-reading posts from when I was a n00b

17:40

you can't train people to operate effectively on low sleep, infanteers have been trying for millennia

17:41

Mats_cd03: agreed

17:42

my use case is 5-6 hours of sleep a night + focus during waking hours

17:46

thestringpuller: digitalocean + Ghost (a blogging thingmajig) works pretty well for me

17:47

node.js :/

17:47

"Node.js is the platform which powers Ghost. Being built on Chrome's JavaScript runtime, makes it fast, scalable, and incredibly efficient."

17:47

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [+]

17:48

"because if it's good enough for your browser, it can for realz handle tens of thousands of concurrent connections!"

17:48

o

17:48

idk anything about the web

17:48

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14049999 = 0.562 BTC [+]

17:49

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [+]

17:50

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2654794/

17:51

re: modafinil (provigil)

17:52

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1348 @ 0.00012925 = 0.1742 BTC [-] {2}

17:55

For blogging the right tool, is usually, probably going to be some wordpress thing.

17:55

Then the things you like/dislike about wordpress shape the next choice

17:58

http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/07/1539217/tls-13-draft-prepares-to-drop-static-rsa-key-exchange

17:58

TLS 1.3 Draft Prepares to Drop Static RSA Key Exchange - Slashdot

18:05

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [+]

18:06

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [+]

18:07

wasn't there a kick up recently about Havelock not actually being registered in Panama?

18:10

fluffypony: it's actually the reactor pattern that rocks

18:11

davout: then they should pitch it like that

18:12

what?

18:13

davout: they're saying node.js is fast/scalable/efficient because it's powered by a browser technology

18:13

but it's the reactor pattern that rocks

18:14

so they should pitch it like that

18:14

why ?

18:15

if you're a retard that doesn't have a clue you'll take it at face value, if you know what the reactor pattern is and how evented IO is nice you'll read between the lines

18:15

I spose

18:15

see, if marketing was about communicating precise and factual information, then it wouldn't be marketing anymore

18:16

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

18:18

lol

18:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12432 @ 0.00085799 = 10.6665 BTC [+]

18:19

is it because browser technology or because google?

18:20

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

18:21

!up Hiro2

18:21

Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.

18:22

pankkake: because it's derpcentralized

18:22

!up Hiro2

18:22

Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.

18:22

bleh

18:22

!up

18:22

Need a nickname, pankkake.

18:22

!up Hiro2

18:22

Voicing Hiro2 for 30 minutes.

18:22

thank you

18:23

:)

18:23

could anyone tell me why ASICMINER is no longer giving out dividends?

18:23

I won passthru from Havelock

18:23

own*

18:23

as far as I know, there's not enough revenue to

18:23

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.041 = 2.05 BTC [-]

18:24

and ActiveMining? has it been two weeks yet for old shares to be active?

18:24

their finances aren't very transparent right now :/

18:25

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]

18:27

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.041 = 1.148 BTC [-] {2}

18:33

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]

18:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00085793 = 16.5152 BTC [-]

18:37

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0425 = 0.5525 BTC [+]

18:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.033 = 0.627 BTC [+]

18:47

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.041 = 2.009 BTC [-]

18:48

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4599999 = 2.3 BTC [+]

18:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10634 @ 0.00085812 = 9.1252 BTC [+] {2}

18:57

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 277 @ 0.0014 = 0.3878 BTC [+]

19:06

<pankkake> try the electrified butt plugs << actually those are kinda bad for you. there is such a thing as electric burns of the mucosa.

19:08

thestringpuller tumblr is for pronz

19:12

<fluffypony> wasn't there a kick up recently about Havelock not actually being registered in Panama? << yes.

19:13

<Hiro2> could anyone tell me why ASICMINER is no longer giving out dividends? << asicminer seems to be going to shit.

19:14

well, they've been going to shit for a while, but the slide is accelerating

19:14

!up Visitor

19:14

Voicing Visitor for 30 minutes.

19:14

activeminer lawl.

19:16

electric burns of the mucosa << easily confused for electrolytic burns (h2o splits, salt present, hcl. yuck.) to avoid this, use strictly alternating current (no dc bias.)

19:16

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0425 = 1.0625 BTC [+]

19:16

(most folks who complain of burns from playing with biostimulators are getting exactly this)

19:17

right

19:17

ryepdx

Hiro2: Not sure if this went through the first time, as I'm having connectivity issues. The reason (AFAIK) was to raise capital to produce their next-gen miners and chips. The next round of dividends are projected to come out on May 27th, at which point they'll be moving to a monthly dividend schedule. Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg6465166#msg6465166

19:18

*

mircea_popescu cuts out the .org and adds a dot before lk in that link, to get https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=99497.msg6465166#msg6465166 which readily resolves to https://bitcointa.lk/threads/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it.61268/page-972#post-6169327 on a much better forum.

19:19

ryepdx

mircea_popescu: Thanks for the tip.

19:21

so long as you follow this and other safety formulae (all electrodes below the belt) you can get some... interesting results. males, females both.

19:22

what results - left as exercise for the alert reader / experimenter.

19:25

!jd mpif

19:25

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.02224689 BTC; +0.00374863 BTC (+0.0023%) since last check 22h 43m 27s ago.

19:27

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]

19:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.0008597 = 23.0829 BTC [+] {2}

19:34

turbo_ac100

bitcointa.lk firefox addon is down here https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bitcointalk/

19:38

http://www.reddit.com/r/vertcoin/comments/24prud/vertpay_is_doing_the_very_first_vertcoin_based_ipo/

19:38

lol look at fluffypony killing it with teh scamcoin

19:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00086168 = 9.4785 BTC [+] {2}

19:43

fluffypony so opened on feb 8th at 0.025, peaked at .1, then piefaced towards 0.015ish. is it dead ?

19:44

It can still go lower.

19:44

well sure. .015 is still 150000x a doge.

19:45

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

19:46

I kind of want to see it locked into that ratio with doge as it crashes

19:46

!up taub

19:46

Voicing taub for 30 minutes.

19:46

;;gettrust assbot taub

19:46

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user taub: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=taub | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=taub | Rated since: never

19:46

To where You can't trade a single doge for a satoshi

19:46

i suck at using that auth

19:46

taub you need to get rated by someone in assbot's l2, then id with gribble and pm assbot !up

↖

19:46

whats assbots l2 oO

19:47

being rated by people who have been rated by assbot

19:47

does anyone else think hitbtc is faking volume like crazy?

19:47

with the exception of mpex, everyone is.

19:48

bitfinex and bitstamp seem legit

19:48

stamp, btc-e, all the play-pretend stock exchanges in history, from glbse onwards, and definitely all the "greatest best first ever" blablas.

19:48

mtgox faked its volume, too.

19:48

so did bitcoinica

19:48

the list doesn't end.

19:49

getting chopped trying to find the end to this slump, buying too early :/

19:49

i think it's turning soon tho

19:49

or we go below 380 then srs trouble

19:49

!up toastee

19:49

Voicing toastee for 30 minutes.

19:49

taub what difference does it make, i still have btc i bought at 2.

19:50

Some time in the next week someone's going to be sending me PPUSD, prolly need to start scouting people I can unload them on.

19:52

When that happens, then bitcoin may once again proceed towards moon.

19:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00086244 = 25.2695 BTC [+] {2}

19:53

china let me down :(

19:53

lol

19:53

taub: They let Mao down too. It happens.

19:55

"CNBC Correspondent, alum @NYUStern (MBA) and @MiamiUniversity, country music & college football enthusiast --- livin' the NYC dream but forever a proud Ohioan"

19:55

a proud... ohioan ?! you've got to be kidding me

19:55

they let anyone in nyc these days.

19:55

They always have, it's why NYC get a commie mayor.

19:56

o, i forgot they did that.

19:56

i imagine on the mid term nyc will be more like paris huh

19:58

Or Mogadishu, hard to say.

19:58

well that'd be paris.

19:59

!up princessnell

19:59

Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.

19:59

ty

19:59

so today i learned that mra is a thing. and in the process :

19:59

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mra

19:59

Urban Dictionary: mra

20:00

check out the ud bias lol.

20:00

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]

20:01

i guess ima have to write about this nao.

20:02

mra = beta-driven inverted feminism

20:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34126 @ 0.00086429 = 29.4948 BTC [+] {4}

20:03

what a joke, constant trades average size of 0.5 that happen between the spread outta nowhere

20:03

the internet is, practically speaking, a collection of frogs and cicadas arguing as to which one set is the true operatic singer.

20:03

http://puu.sh/8DsdW.png totally legit volume distribution

20:03

shitbtc

20:03

taub what's in the graph ?

20:04

daily btceur of hitbtc

20:08

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3972 @ 0.00012314 = 0.4891 BTC [-] {8}

20:08

taub i don't know anyone that uses hitbtc anyway

20:10

yea i suppose it's not a big deal

20:10

yet bitcoincharts wont rank houbi, but they'll rank this ;D

20:12

what's houbi ?

20:25

the difference is that hitbtc is not china afaik, taub .

20:26

at least thats their reasoning imo

20:31

hallo

20:34

Hello

20:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0008866 = 10.1516 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]

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how are you BingoBoingo?

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moiety: Been both better and worse

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?? how's your cold been? and have you had an update?

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46499989 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.46499999 = 5.58 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.469999 = 4.7 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0313 = 0.1565 BTC [-]

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hi moiety

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 164 @ 0.0043 = 0.7052 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.031224 = 0.1561 BTC [-] {3}

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mew mircea_popescu how are you?

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0710003 = 0.497 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 77 @ 0.041 = 3.157 BTC [-]

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pretty great

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:D how is m.pif doing?

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theres a rogue dot in there isn't there

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you know, it starts with 'fund' and ends with 'fund', so winklevossy. you are better off just saying 'mund'.

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i'm roaming around the wiki

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ended up having visitors ive not seen for a long time hence absence and no guide

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would you rather see a paste first before i plod around the wiki

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00088212 = 4.6752 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]

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mircea_popescu: i can't say about the others, but 'btc-e' faking volume is a testable hypothesis.

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(one could, in principle, take its real-time published trades and attempt buy/sell, see if it is matched at a particular offer, etc)

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why anyone should wish to do this, is another matter.

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moiety if you were talking about ba wiki , go ahead and plod, thats why its there.

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0740001 = 0.74 BTC [+]

~ 15 minutes ~

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!down mobgod

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Insufficient rights, dub, !up yourself on PM first.

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dub dub haven't seen you in a while

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<asciilifeform> (one could, in principle, take its real-time published trades and attempt buy/sell, see if it is matched at a particular offer, etc) << fake book != fake history.

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!up princessnell

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Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.

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thestringpuller: sup

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i was honored to be cited on trilema

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v exciting

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you put stationary in ur butt?

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o was it your first time princessnell ?

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you tell me!

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or u mean anywhere?

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princessnell no i mean on trilema o.O

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well i haven't scoured every post yet

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!up realzies

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Voicing realzies for 30 minutes.

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mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstand, real book transmuting to fake history is detectable with the only slightly non-naked eye

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supposing anyone gave a damn.

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Did the self voicing rules change?

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asciilifeform nah. jitney is an unsolved problem in the fiat markets either.

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artifexd not afaik. why ?

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As I understand it, to self up one must be in assbot's l2 (or higher).

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#665321 <- implies that l3 is sufficient. Rated by someone rated by assbot.

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#bitcoin-assets log

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that's l2.

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jitney ?

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asciilifeform common penny stock fraud. two brokers pass the stock back and forth to create the semblance of volume.

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aha, so 'fake' as in shills, rather than cooked books as such

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Assbot rates bob. Bob is in assbots's l1. Bob rates George. George is in Assbot's l2. George rates Nancy. Nancy is in Assbot's l3. Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding somethign?

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'painted tape' ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00088342 = 16.4316 BTC [+]

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In that example, Bob and George could self up, but Nancy could not. Right?

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artifexd right

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00021402 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {3}

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"Rated by someone rated by assbot". l2.

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asciilifeform well painting is more like price fixing

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Being rated by someone in assbots l2 doesn't do anything useful for self voicing though, right?

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also a little more risky, in the sense you may end up beaten to shit by the market.

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artifexd right.

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Ok. I'll chalk it up to you making a typo and that the rules didn't change.

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wait what typo did i make!

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mircea_popescu:taub you need to get rated by someone in assbot's l2, then id with gribble and pm assbot !up <- you need to be rated by someone in assbot's l1

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it makes arithmetical sense, that, using shills, an exchange can generate whatever 'market' price spectra it likes.

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o yes.

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asciilifeform only if it has infinite resources.

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what resource expenditures are needed, assuming the 'fake' prices are higher than the genuine market price ?

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(sell, rather than buy)

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fake sellers offer inflated price, fake buyers buy at it

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asciilifeform someone could sell (even short) your stock, taking "your" profits you paid to generate.

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like the $10,000 video game machines on ebay.

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this is generally why scammers bitch and whine about how shorts are bad :

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they have just pushed the stock price up fraudulently, and don't want to be raped for it.

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so they ask govt to intervene and distort the market.

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afaik 'btc-e' offers no stock?

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either btc or fait can be the "stock"

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a trade's a trade.

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so it follows that btc-e is eligible for raping?

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or, failing that, could be induced to operate outside of the stated parameters, proving bezzle

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we are discussing quite different things. i said jitney, you proposed to replace it with painting the tape, i pointed out that that's different.

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it is different.

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asciilifeform begins to understand

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Herr Walker reviews a book about high frequency trading: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-05/001510.html

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leads to http://investorsexchange.com (not a joke site!)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15225 @ 0.00088212 = 13.4303 BTC [-]

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associated with... expertSexchange?

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heh don't think so

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"This exchange, IEX, (it was originally to be called ?Investors Exchange?, but the founders realised that the obvious Internet domain name, investorsexchange.com, could be infelicitously parsed into three words as well as two), would include technological constraints (including 38 miles of fibre optic cable in a box to create latency between the point of presence where traders could attach and the servers which matched bids and asks) which

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rendered the strategies of the HFTs impotent and obsolete. "

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lol 38 miles of fiber in a box

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decimation im sure we lolled at that domain before.

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i recall seeing a photo of this very box, here.

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yeah probably

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the question is: do you trust the fiat brigade to maintain the "integrity" of their 38 miles? Who audits the delay time?

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chumpatronics.

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Sep 19 23:03:52 <deizel>bitcoinsexchange.com (later a hyphen is added to clear things up, bitcoins-exchange.com)

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nm. different one

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the greater chumpatron sucks chumps attempting to evade lesser chumpatrons

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kakobrekla: done. would you see if it's of any use please?

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so there's been a sexchange of bitcoin, experts and investors so far. who's next ?

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you know your "market" has entered LOListan when exchanges compete, promising to screw the customer slightly less

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obamasexchange.biz ?

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that sounda more like future news

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kakobrekla: why does my title have - and not spaces -_- sorry will delete

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dc's in and near exchanges all have minimum cable distance to make it 'fair' from what Ive heard

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yeah but there are clear incentives to "cheat"

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which is why the house enforces it

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the funny part being that this hft thing is a solved problem, mpex doesn't have it.

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you don't need 38 miles of cable either

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the problem, as i understand, exists where people wish it to exist.

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That trilema article was one of the most revealing to me

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there used to be serious competition to be in closer racks

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I guess the only reason there is a front running "problem" is because only a small oligarchy has access to the market

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I've never understood why hft is a problem.

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decimation i'd say it exists because a wide nonoligarchy somehow got the mistaken impression it should have access to the market.

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true

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imagine you are the CEO of IBM: you know whether you hold a clown circus for your next board meeting or not, all the chumps are going to auto-buy your stock next Thursday

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what exact value would one expect from joe the plumber's knowledge of stocks and the world around him to be passed through his 3k into apple's market

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decimation for instance, buffett refused small investors precisely for this reason. fuck you, we don't want your stupid.

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also, the small investor has no say, even if he's not stupid

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well, he has the say of his buy or sell, whatever it is. that's a say

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because the votes of his 401k shares are excercised on his behalf

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we don't want your stupid << at the poker table, they certainly want the stupid.

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^

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fifty milion idiots with 10 dollars each made britney spears a reality.

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most USian's don't have any choice on what to buy

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"stock fund" or "bond fund"

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this is also true

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and the shares they own in these "funds" convey no rights

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fortunately, it remains possible to buy... nothing

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asciilifeform sure, the other market participants do want it. the corp tho doesn;t.

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at least at the moment.

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asciilifeform this takes us to the deep reason mpex is oft maligned on the sm : reddit, tardstalk et all are mostly made up of would-be daytraders, in their own head.

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these are very insulted by a flat refusal to allow chumps at table.

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so, basically banks and investment brokers end up excercising the ownership rights of idiots

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which solves buffet's problem to some extent

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decimation used to work fine up until they started hiring idiots.

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*

asciilifeform once allowed 100 usd to vanish into '401k' nonsense through slothful inaction (forgot to fill out form to zap it after it was issued by an employer)

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*

asciilifeform took off hat, paid respects, said good-bye to the hundy.

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how much is it worth now ?

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asciilifeform you can avoid some of the 401k madness if your company offers a "Roth 401k"

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decimation: why would i want any

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Generally in the US Roth anything is less insane

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you pay taxes up front, but you can withdrawl the principal investment (not the earnings) at any time

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But that still isn't sane

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well, I guess if you want to pay more tax

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]

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better a tax than a straight disappearance into neverneverland

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I guess the gov't makes you pay one way or the other.

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asciilifeform, many us corps (due to heavy USG encouragement) pay incentives to "invest" in 401ks

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like, we will pay you 5% more if you "invest" 5%

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yeah, they do

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you can see how this feeds the above-outlined chumpatron

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would you send 5% to nigerian scammers if someone offered to pay you 5% more for the trouble?

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worse, they will pay 5% to the scammers, on the understanding that you can one day collect

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^ employer matching

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exactly

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"pour your milk in this hole, we'll pour some more milk after it"

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always made me think of the 1930s milk pouring exercises

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typically, this comes with a caveat, that the matched $ is yours only after x years of faithful servitude

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wouldn't those have been great if the farmers didn't have to pour 100% of the milk poured,

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but if stupid consumers did half of it ? then they could buy it... again.

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the IRS "safe harbor" rule is that as long as you "pay" your janitor 3% in his 401k, you can offer any amount you wish to anyone else in your company

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/401%28k%29 " If the less compensated employees save more for retirement, then the HCEs are allowed to save more for retirement. "

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401(k) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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now look what benkay did : https://twitter.com/Artzicarol/status/464063334015197186/photo/1/large

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the problem with Roth plans: "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further..."

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how's taht specific to roth anything ?

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i won't be the least bit surprised when 401k, etc. confiscation is instituted for emigres

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'betrayed the motherland, sentenced to confiscation'

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well, the roth deal is that you pay tax up front, on the promise that you never pay tax again...

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http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/

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The endless story of Korea. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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see the story of mr perry.

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precisely it.

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"Plaintiff seeks to make his case solely upon the theory that, by reason of the change in the weight of the dollar he is entitled to $1.69 in the present currency for every dollar promised by the bond, regardless of any actual loss he has suffered with respect to any transaction in which his dollars may be used. We think that position is untenable."

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make deal with usg to be repaid so and so.

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get repaid 55%. tough.

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take the money, spend on beer. they can't make you un-drink the beer, at least.

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"we think that position is untenable"

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court thinks your position is untenable

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meanwhile the same government paid its own employees a full 100%

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because well.

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the gestapo you gotta pay. else the court may not "think"

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USG pays its employees in its own scrip, and they think it's a great deal

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decimation no, at the time, it paid people overseas (and select foreign governments)

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at the 1.69 rate it wouldn'

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t pay a mere citizen

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http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/05/borrowing-from-the-g-fund-again-to-offset-the-debt-ceiling/

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Borrowing from the G Fund (Again) to Offset the Debt Ceiling - FedSmith.com

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agreements be damned.

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"The G Fund holds approximately 37 percent of all TSP balances held by the 4.6 million TSP participants. As most readers know, the TSP is similar to a 401(k) retirement fund for about 4.6 million current and former government employees and uniformed service members. To make up for the deficit spending by the government, the Treasury has ?suspended reinvestment? or taken assets out of the G Fund to pay for other expenses."

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the bigger story is that 37% of fed retirment money is invested in a "fund" that has returned %0.82 year-to-date.

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I guess if they won't work as free employees they can always "have problems" and then work as zeks

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most of the people involved, sadly, can only be redeemed as... biodiesel.

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have you read The First Circle ascii?

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nope

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familiar with the background, however.

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]

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<decimation> the bigger story is that 37% of fed retirment money is invested in a "fund" that has returned %0.82 year-to-date. << and then we cuss out people for "investing" in glbse&co

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0425 = 0.255 BTC [+]

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mircea, the NSA is searching for a private citizen to donate to their new museum: Imagine how much it would cost to get your picture in the lobby? http://www.cryptologicfoundation.org/content/New-Museum-Project/

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lawl

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that's ok, they'll prolly do it for free.

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anyway, the message couldn't be louder or clearer : the nsa is being retired.

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they've had a museum for ages

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Re: price of gold adjustment during the FDR-era: http://books.google.com/books?id=53zTrfaIqSEC&pg=PA322 "we were thinking an increase of 19 to 22 cents. Roosevelt took one look at me and suggested a rise of 21 cents. "It's a lucky number," the President said with a laugh, "because it's three times seven"

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fellow i know wanted to take his kid there, and drove into the wrong gate

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they let him out. after a while.

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(if anyone's wondering who ron isler is, btw, http://www.topdog08.com/2005/09/who_the_hell_is.html )

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[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00601155 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {4}

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is this related to those guys who claimed to attack that power substation in CA?

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i don't imagine it is.

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a hypothetical retirement of nsa would be interesting, supposing the americans have built a tank in which to breed folks who can actually keep secrets - like fish

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 400 @ 0.00282619 = 1.1305 BTC [-] {5}

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failing that, it would have to be operated 'sharashka'-style.

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('it' being replacement nsa)

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asciilifeform consider the more apocalyptic scenario : there's no secret currently kept by the nsa that we don't already know.

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it's probably the more accurate.

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[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.0064 = 0.64 BTC [+]

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http://youtu.be/BfeIGQ4xAcc?t=12m16s

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Aquarium - Soviet Military Intelligence Service 3/10 Full movie English subtitles - YouTube

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^ infamous scene, showing how to keep organization that keeps secrets.

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(continued here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIzzns3eMo)

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(in the original books, the condemned was pulled out of the fire in the last moment, because an 'honourable' coffin came in, and took precedence. after which, the ceremony resumed.)

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thank you, assbot

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TheNewDeal: that bastille day offer still on the table?

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