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00:11 Mocky ok, i can see it
00:14 Mocky I'm also curious if fuckgoats had its name inspired by the ascent of alfred
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11:19 mod6 mornin'
11:19 BingoBoingo Mocky: I don't remember a settled term for spear chuckers. Kalash's are sufficiently in circulation that literal spear chucking isn't much of a thing anymore. We do rip on societies here that remain pre-spearchucking in development like the Italians though.
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11:19 BingoBoingo mornin' mod6
11:19 mod6 how goes today?
11:20 BingoBoingo Not too bad. The sky is doing that thing where it gets the ground wet, stops, and then wets the ground just as it is about to dry.
11:23 mod6 Ah, sure. Doin kinda the same here.
11:24 BingoBoingo Ah, yeah. today is not a day for balcony computing.
11:25 mod6 maybe between pissings there'll be a chance to walk on the beach later, get ya outside a bit.
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11:45 BingoBoingo It's possible. I picked up an impermeable jacket so drizzle isn't a problem
11:47 mod6 Ah ok yeah, best to stay dry so you get rid of that cold.
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12:21 BingoBoingo Irony of ironies, Thursday and Friday when I was enrolling in the healthcare association were the days where the cold/bronchitis/pneumonia had crossed the line into feeling over with.
12:25 mircea_popescu danielpbarron, btw, i'm curious : has your fish friend figured out the "He admits he cannot name one other Christian leader outside his own little band of followers—anyone who has lived in the two millennia between the death of the last apostle and the advent of Darwin Fish—who has remained faithful to the truth." bla bla bla "criticism" is very strictly a http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22there+was+a+limit+where+the+fla
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12:25 mircea_popescu unting+of+their+foul+acts+and+opinions+before+the+world+must+stop%22 ploy, ie, "pick a mommy among our number, and we'll produce where she says you're notgood.jpg" ?
12:25 mircea_popescu seems very transparently the issue to me.
12:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815467 << kalash, short for the ak-47, denotes a cheap and effective weapon. it is specifically designed for effective mass production ; and to whitstand intensive field use in burst mode. whenever an item has the "task at hand and no shits given" spirit, it stands the kalash metaphore.
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12:27 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 03:49 Mocky: reading the logs - I'm trying to understand how 'kalash' is being used here. I don't see it in http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/ maybe it's a common thing I just haven't heard of. The use seems consistent with https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kalash
12:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815470 << inca was the first slave empire. (here, "slave" is the republican term of art, not the imperial term of art. it denotes something akin to "everyone living in socialism" or "the products of a bureaucratic state", the guys populating 1984.)
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12:28 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 03:53 Mocky: and also 'inca' is that like "group thinks they are a pinnacle-of-the-world civ but about to get wiped out" or just like "spear chuckers" ?
12:29 mircea_popescu look up its history sometime, it's instructively amusing. (no, "progress" and "change" and blablabla avatars of rooseveltian socialism aren't in any sense NOVEL. they're fucking ancient, reversion to pre-literate society.)
12:33 mircea_popescu but yes, they thought they're the bees' knees', got wiped by the ~marginal~ elements of an onslaught. they weren't even fucking central.
12:33 mircea_popescu much like europe nearly drowned in the mongol invasion ; but europe very much wasn't inca, but polar opposite.
12:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815474 << afaik it predates that.
12:34 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 04:14 Mocky: I'm also curious if fuckgoats had its name inspired by the ascent of alfred
12:34 mircea_popescu it certainly predates the chick showing up here
12:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563132 << check it out, first log mention of fg is nov 5th 2016 ; fwicd the alfred thing was early now 2016. THE THEORY CAN NOT BE READILY DISPELLED!
12:36 a111 Logged on 2016-11-05 15:08 hanbot: "S.NSA is expected to realise operating revenue next period." << exciting bonbon in this month's s.nsa report. if FUCKGOATS didn't knock one's tongue out, anyway.
12:38 mircea_popescu aanyway; there's a buncha alfreds in the logs ( http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=alfred ), including http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473532 ; but it'd seem the republic only heard of the item in question in 2017 : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-16#1671175
12:38 a111 Logged on 2016-05-30 04:14 mircea_popescu: didn't alfred wainwright invent nude fell walking ?
12:38 a111 Logged on 2017-06-16 23:00 asciilifeform: asciilifeform notices that his desk has an uncanny resemblance to the one in 'ascension of alfred'
12:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815476 << what's wrong with http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chukcha / http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chuka / whatever (apparently i cnat spael).
12:46 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 15:19 BingoBoingo: Mocky: I don't remember a settled term for spear chuckers. Kalash's are sufficiently in circulation that literal spear chucking isn't much of a thing anymore. We do rip on societies here that remain pre-spearchucking in development like the Italians though.
12:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772980
12:46 a111 Logged on 2018-01-19 02:45 asciilifeform: 'chukcha wrote a book. we open the book: pg 1: 'man got on a horse.' pg . N : 'man got off horse' pg . 2 .. N-1 : 'tgdyk, tgdyk, tdgyk...' '
12:53 asciilifeform iirc the convo was approx : asciilifeform : it's ready, nao what should we call it mircea_popescu : how about FUCKGOATS asciilifeform : loox good, let's
12:54 asciilifeform i dun recall the string being in 'alfred' tho
12:54 mircea_popescu was it mine ? in that case absolutely not related, i definitely only heard of the alfred thing after you said something.
12:55 asciilifeform i saw 'alfred' full yr+ later, iirc
12:55 mircea_popescu anyway. the ~idea~ was to name it something that'll make it impossible for the idiots to ~even think about it~.
12:55 asciilifeform incidentally whatever happened to that chix.
12:56 jurov !Q later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HjOig/?raw=true
12:56 lobbesbot jurov: The operation succeeded.
12:56 mircea_popescu which ftr it managed superbly well.
12:56 asciilifeform the film imho was notbad, and then she even showed up here and said ~nothing substantial, and then fell again through the floor
12:57 mircea_popescu actually, she got excited, was gonna help the boys get out of idiocy, but then she didn't manage and never came back.
12:57 Mocky i thought it was a stretch but alfred at timecode ~5:00 is the only other place i can remember seeing the term
12:57 mircea_popescu not sure why, not like i specifically expected her to be successful. they're where they are because not very intelligent, not for other reasons.
12:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i seem to recall there was somebody who bought a few units and tried to resell with some name of his own making ( pete_dushenski ? ) and didn't seem to help him. so magic is not only in the name, it seems
12:58 mircea_popescu Mocky, no, actually, it's common term as term. http://btcbase.org/log/2012-09-06#-279203 http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-22#429483 etc etc
12:58 a111 Logged on 2012-09-06 19:10 Chaang-Noi: im a goat mother fuckers!
12:58 a111 Logged on 2013-12-22 18:53 asciilifeform: 'you fuck one goat...'
12:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, there was some proposal to shadow the name, but it got rejected. basically pete_dushenski spent a few months doing the entire http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813477 thing himself, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651459
12:59 a111 Logged on 2018-05-15 14:11 mircea_popescu: well, why not kick him while he's down. so, ben_vulpes , do you understand the meaning of "They know how to work those" in http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/#selection-37.37-37.64 ?
12:59 a111 Logged on 2017-05-03 20:04 mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's
13:00 asciilifeform ha, seems as if Mocky did find a 'fuckgoats', http://www.loper-os.org/pub/aoa_fg.jpg
13:00 mircea_popescu there's this big great temptation to "prepare", like getting up a website, finding a new name, doing a WHOLE lot of adolescentine http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563435 masturbation.
13:00 a111 Logged on 2016-11-07 17:27 mircea_popescu: of course, most of this "money" isn't much more substantial than the imaginary fortunes of adolescents cycling through their fantasy business career after fapping and pre falling asleep.
13:01 mircea_popescu the problem with it is how very fucking feminine it is. IT IS THE GIRLS!!!! that are supposed to spend hours in the mirror with the colored things, "getting ready", all the while mulling over in their mind how they're getting raped later on and how it'll go and so on.
13:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, i hadn't even noticed that. i dun think i ever actually watched it that far in. srsly Mocky, it's a somewhat common term in hacker culture. esp the ru set.
13:02 mircea_popescu ie, i didn't ~invent~ it, i simply went through my lateral vocabulary picked something.
13:02 asciilifeform i also did not notice fwiw until he pointed where in the film.
13:03 mircea_popescu and since we're doing words, might also propose the great "butaforie" (ru бyтaфopия).
13:03 asciilifeform ha i had nfi this existed in ro
13:03 Mocky oh i believe. not really up on my hacker culture
13:03 mircea_popescu it's like a reverse metaphore!
13:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, in ro it's approx "papier mache" in the direct. ie, indistinct glue and crap used to make cheap theatrical decors.
13:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: бyтaфopия typically refers to a physical accessory of a sham, in the movie set / potemkin village sense
13:04 mircea_popescu right.
13:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815489 << all of this so, and with a side dollop of 'withstands abuse, incl. irregular/nonexistent maintenance'
13:09 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 16:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815467 << kalash, short for the ak-47, denotes a cheap and effective weapon. it is specifically designed for effective mass production ; and to whitstand intensive field use in burst mode. whenever an item has the "task at hand and no shits given" spirit, it stands the kalash metaphore.
13:09 mircea_popescu Mocky, incidentally, where have you been keeping yourself ? you're the strangest mix, windows head on one hand, not even cursorily cognizant of the many different small fixes to that problem, nevertheless http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815460
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13:09 a111 Logged on 2018-05-18 22:24 mircea_popescu: "This is not a guide to a correct Eulora build on Windows. It’s the story of how someone did it while knowing virtually nothing about the tools, language or project. For all I know, it’s the worst way to do it that ends up working. " << i really like how this dood's mind is organized.
13:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815491 << notably, earliest (afaik) kolhoz. i.e. 100% tax on crop followed by palace redistribution.
13:09 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 16:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815470 << inca was the first slave empire. (here, "slave" is the republican term of art, not the imperial term of art. it denotes something akin to "everyone living in socialism" or "the products of a bureaucratic state", the guys populating 1984.)
13:09 mircea_popescu i dunno if you're aware, but such a thing isn't even supposed to be possible, and certainly not likely. so what do you do for a living ?
13:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, well, certainly the first pretentious. lots and lots of stone soups in the history of human poverty.
13:13 mircea_popescu a right right, i forgot that part! kalash == maitenance is an act of love and devotion, not a matter of necessity. this is deeper than it sounds, consider this recent exchange : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQRtP/?raw=true
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13:15 asciilifeform exactly so
13:15 mircea_popescu it's an important fucking difference, "maintenance -- when i want ; not when it's needed. it's never needed". this is very much a male ideal, viz both the eastern ( http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-93.458-93.517 ) and the western ( http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-87.64-99.1 ). this all follows from men being, well... http://trilema.com/2016/a-complete-theory-of-politics/#sel
13:15 mircea_popescu ection-63.0-63.47
13:16 asciilifeform not so many current-day examples of this type of thing, afaik; but imho FG qualifies
13:16 asciilifeform ( incidentally if anybody did a loving diehard etc massage and it isn't linked from http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html , plz write in )
13:17 mircea_popescu if you think about it, what we're ~even fixing~ about computers is EXACTLY this : god damned, maintenance ? the whole "please upgrade" bs started exactly when the female worldview became socially acceptable.
13:18 mircea_popescu how about instead of making the female worldview the male mental default and physical females socially unacceptable, we go about the other fucking way around! LIKE SANE PEOPLE!
13:25 BingoBoingo !Q later tell jurov http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QodBe/?raw=true
13:25 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
13:25 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: Sent 29 minutes ago: <jurov> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HjOig/?raw=true
13:26 Mocky re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815544 I've had my head up my own ass for so long I wonder where I've been keeping myself as well. I believed in a lot of things built a life on that, god, marriage, mortgage, best usa, being 'good citizen'
13:26 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 17:09 mircea_popescu: Mocky, incidentally, where have you been keeping yourself ? you're the strangest mix, windows head on one hand, not even cursorily cognizant of the many different small fixes to that problem, nevertheless http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815460
13:27 Mocky got to reading some lesswrong stuff, made me think, eventually i rememberd how to think and realized i based my life on bullshit, so i blew it all up
13:28 Mocky for a living, well i wasn't good enough to sling dope, so i became a java programmer
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13:29 Mocky i hate windows and i hate linux. end up using windows more since need for my job
13:29 Mocky i wont touch a mac, so lets not even go there
13:31 douchebag I love my Macbook Pro
13:36 mircea_popescu java huh.
13:36 Mocky i used to teach java for sun microsystems long ago
13:37 mircea_popescu well, "lesswrong" included. dood's checked all the checkboxes. recovery should have been impossible, if one credits the "merituous recovery" theory of recovery.
13:37 Mocky hey i'm not an evangelist of it, but at least it has an actual spec, coherent memory model and thread model. but if i have to write one more corporate java web app imma choke
13:38 mircea_popescu nobody said the devil doesn't have a nice, thick, pleasant penis. the problem with the devil isn't that EVERYTHING is wrong.
13:38 Mocky i read yudkowski and liked, went to less wrong 'community' and was bunch of tards ingrouping the hell out of eachother
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13:39 Mocky i even liked his harry potter fan fic, at least better than actual harry potter
13:40 mircea_popescu what did you like ? my knowledge is limited (by disinterest) and centered on his (very "romanian blogger"-like) failure to conceptualize / engage http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/
13:40 mircea_popescu dude's become a bit of a laughingstock here, after that.
13:48 Mocky his writing had for me a flavor of what i would now say is: (read in logs here can't find now) "stop being so fucking stupid for one goddammed minute"
13:50 Mocky yeah he sounded so smart and clear thinking, but in the end ,spoiler alert, cryogenics and save the world from evil ai, wtf!
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14:14 Mocky speaking of plot twists, pretty surprised by the Ada usage. I pictured usg.DOD-design-by-committee lang commissioned to help build out the chumpatronic-mass-programmer infrastructure for gov contracts. I guess it's time to reevaluate my priors.
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14:26 asciilifeform Mocky: funnily enuff, it was resisted ( by lockheed et al, the whole golden toilet 'industry' ) from ~day1, and is pretty much dead in usgdom ( with respect to new contracts ) , the brass began to succumb to 'use cpp + massmarket programmertards + these-here-fancy-auditing-toolz-that-totally-work-we-promise in 1990 or so)
14:28 asciilifeform afaik boeing's passenger craft division is the last major usgdom holdout where still used
14:30 asciilifeform ( folx-on-the-periphery-of-l1 : might be a good use of coupla hrs to dredge the logs for 'why ada' material that could point n00bz to, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682480 )
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14:30 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 15:16 asciilifeform: the other thing to remember, is that the win from writing in ada - but not in ada in general, but the style demonstrated in ffa in particular -- remains even if YOU HAVE NO ACCESS TO GNAT and gotta compile by hand into asm. because it forces the style of algo that CAN be safely so expressed - i.e. without presumption of pointerolade arithmetic, gc, or other cost-externalizing electrosocialisms
14:31 asciilifeform !#s bounds checked
14:31 a111 9 results for "bounds checked", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bounds%20checked
14:32 asciilifeform ^ a notbad place to start from.
14:33 Mocky i'll have a look at that
14:35 asciilifeform Mocky: it was the one item left standing when asciilifeform went methodically through list of all known prog langs , and crossed off anything that didn't : bounds-check, operate free of gc, produce compact binaries for e.g. microcontrollers, support all major cpu archs , have written standard.
14:36 asciilifeform the closest runner-up contender was standard ml, but it demands a ~MB-sized runtime , and imposes gc , nobody is ever stuffing it into 32kB.
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14:37 asciilifeform ( it also failed on http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#815513 condition )
14:37 a111 Logged on 2014-08-30 01:55 asciilifeform generally believes that safety-critical code must be written in such a way that auditor can see a tight correspondence between every line and what machine physically does. note that this doesn't entail 'use C!' but can also mean different machine.
14:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-13#1017692 << iirc the 1st ada thread here
14:40 a111 Logged on 2015-02-13 23:03 asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu would actually like ada. not writing it, mind you, but seeing it written
14:42 Mocky asciilifeform, I must to confess to having been a reader of your blog years ago for a short time. but you seemed so bitter about the state of hardware and future prospects. maybe just my perception.
14:44 asciilifeform Mocky: hardware is in an ever more dire state, than before, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806757 , 0 progress afaik anywhere at all on the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806521 front
14:44 a111 Logged on 2018-04-30 21:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in ~factory~ machinery, afaik the trend's been quite the opposite ( small manufacturers of ic existed in 1970s by the thousand, in 1980s -- by the hundred, today -- gone. )
14:44 a111 Logged on 2018-04-30 16:16 asciilifeform: ( for the sake of thread-completeness, what would the ~alternative~ to this story look like? i suggest -- it'd be a process which does to ic fab what 'polaroid' process did to colour photography. find way of etching the circuit from prefab 'sandwich' without caustic baths, sputtering, etc... )
14:50 asciilifeform nao, there ~is~ today something that there wasn't 5y ago, which is the properly-reversed fpga :
14:50 asciilifeform !#s ice40
14:50 a111 46 results for "ice40", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ice40
14:50 asciilifeform unfortunately you can't build much of a comp from it, on account of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242
14:50 a111 Logged on 2018-01-04 20:06 asciilifeform: in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series )
14:51 asciilifeform aaaand 1) nobody makes larger homogeneous fpga 2) is likely to ever ; see thread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769061 .
14:51 a111 Logged on 2018-01-11 17:00 asciilifeform: so yes, the only reason why anybody sells ice and 95xx -like 'sea of gates' at all, is that for 'glue' (simple boolean functions of signals, for e.g. bus decoding, addressing, simple i/o multiplexing) is that you can't actually do it reliably with the non-seaofgates devices
14:52 Mocky I have had an interest in working on hardware for the past few years. Not in the 'make ic fab' sense, but just like 'know how to make something'. But I haven't known where to start. Not super juiced to drop some python on a raspberry pi and consider myself a 'maker'
14:53 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710095 << moar thread, for the curious n00b )
14:53 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 19:42 asciilifeform: phf: let's start with the gate count
14:54 asciilifeform Mocky: is english your favourite language to read in ?
14:54 Mocky I'm more interested in the EE side, ie actually knowing enough about the physical machine to be said auditor: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#815513
14:54 a111 Logged on 2014-08-30 01:55 asciilifeform generally believes that safety-critical code must be written in such a way that auditor can see a tight correspondence between every line and what machine physically does. note that this doesn't entail 'use C!' but can also mean different machine.
14:54 asciilifeform Mocky: if it is, start with one forrest mims
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14:54 Mocky english yes
14:54 asciilifeform ( author of children's books on electronics )
14:54 asciilifeform after mims, find horowitz & hill's 'the art of electronics'
14:54 asciilifeform and get breadboard, a bag of parts from a dead man's estate sale, start building simple things.
14:57 Mocky ok, thx
14:58 mircea_popescu Mocky, the empire of evil started as the republic of men.
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14:59 Mocky how so?
15:01 mircea_popescu the switch only happened recently. the exact date is debatable, perhaps http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ ; certainly the taq would be 2001.
15:02 mircea_popescu Mocky, you'll hafta ask a better question than that.
15:04 Mocky on a different note, i see this Boneh fellow, is all over the logs. I think this is the same guy i took a video class coarsera "crypto 101' 18 months ago
15:04 mircea_popescu possibly ; he's not unknown.
15:05 asciilifeform !#s boneh
15:05 a111 31 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh
15:05 asciilifeform ^ see also.
15:05 mircea_popescu thatg's what he was saying lol.\
15:05 asciilifeform lol apparently i missed a line
15:06 mircea_popescu (taq, btw, = terminus ante quem. upper time bound)
15:06 asciilifeform Mocky: boneh is example of a not-entirely-talentless maths d00d who , for whatever reason, joined enemy camp as a professional fifth columnist in open-publication academia , rather than nsa in-house
15:07 Mocky i dont' recall seeing taq before, is that latin?
15:07 mircea_popescu yes.
15:08 Mocky my high school latin fails me then
15:08 mircea_popescu i just explained it lol.
15:09 Mocky failed to look familiar even after explanation
15:10 mircea_popescu taq/tpq : limit up to / from which something is measured ; there's also terminus a quo / terminus ad quem, but i don't like them because confusing to non-latin speakers.
15:11 mircea_popescu Mocky, so we know you've not spent any considerable time in the field between literary theory and hermeneutics, however you'd call it. "advanced reading".
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15:13 Mocky i suppose i haven't
15:14 mircea_popescu in summary : comprehension of a text permits two approaches, one constructive and the other historical. if you approach it constructively, a text means the most it possibly can, irrespective of any auctorial considerations. it is from this school that we have eg, the theory of value in art, whereby "art are those texts that continue to mean after their context was extinguished". if you approach it historically, a major concer
15:14 mircea_popescu n in the reduction of the tree of "what could the author possibly have meant" built on first pass is "what was author aware of". a direct way to bruteforce this problem is to look at dates -- exactly like we did above re FG question. if you'll look at dates, they become essentially the equivalent of the set limits in set theory -- and it is thereby you know the historical approach is intellectually valid -- it permits a const
15:14 mircea_popescu ructive explanation of itself, making it meaningful in the alternative view.
15:15 mircea_popescu (ie, the constructive read theory of the legitimacy of the historical read would be, "it reproduces the structure of set theory without explicitly importing the priors, therefore it's valid". or something in that vein.)
15:20 Mocky I have not read many historical texts. i think i've become too accustomed to being around people who don't read at all. i've certainly not spent time to date thinking explicitly about approaches to text comprehension
15:21 lobbes much like Roman Republic > Roman Empire milllennia before >> mircea_popescu> [18:58:59] Mocky, the empire of evil started as the republic of men
15:22 Mocky re: boneh, he seem legit as he's teaching you to trivially break reused otp, and flawed padding schemes, but that's all i know about him, just surprised to see in the logs
15:22 mircea_popescu lobbes, sure ; though it's iffier there, in that caesar and then espeically augustus actually attempted a restart of the proper republic out of the ashes of the shit it had ended up in. caesar in this sense is the polar opposite of lincoln, ie, attempted to manipulate the overwhelming pantsuit into the extinction-or-sanity dilemma, rather than being manipulated by the underwhelming pantsuit into internecine warfare.
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15:22 mircea_popescu Mocky, why surprised ? the republic's well informed, its spies reach far indeed.
15:23 mircea_popescu anyway -- you can start with say http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/ ; not the first but certainly the most recent "read, motherfuckers."
15:23 Mocky surprised random dude teaching noobs over the web, was worth the mention
15:24 mircea_popescu i suppose as far as the orcs are concerned, it's mostly a boneh-or-boeck distinction.
15:24 mircea_popescu in this sense i suppose djb is a boneh, though i don't like how he runs his harem ; wheras yuk dude is a boeck.
15:25 asciilifeform Mocky: boneh is a well-funded, quite prolific usg.corrupt mathematician, with (formerly, iirc) a day job teaching undergrads ( hence your exposure )
15:26 mircea_popescu oh, they kicked him out of teaching ?
15:27 asciilifeform ( re boneh, see, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783082 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1715003 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513443 )
15:27 a111 Logged on 2018-02-09 16:14 asciilifeform: ^ usg's premier public pusher of elaborately-braindamaged pseudocrypto
15:27 a111 Logged on 2017-09-15 23:51 asciilifeform: boneh is imho an interesting example of a man who thought that intellectual and political integrity were severable
15:27 a111 Logged on 2016-08-03 02:13 asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'Exploring Encryption and Potential Mechanisms for Authorized Government Access to Plaintext: Proceedings of a Workshop.' Anne Johnson, Emily Grumbling, and Jon Eisenberg, Rapporteurs. THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES PRESS 500 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 This activity was supported by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence, under Contract....
15:28 mircea_popescu on meditation, i suspect the reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815573 actually is, that the item exists (at least at its core) as a campus dating club.
15:28 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 17:38 Mocky: i read yudkowski and liked, went to less wrong 'community' and was bunch of tards ingrouping the hell out of eachother
15:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i don't specifically know, in his case. but typically they get 'promoted out' of it when reading that level.
15:28 mircea_popescu doesn't ~anyone~ get tenure anymore ?!
15:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: phunphakt re yudkowsky -- d00d has the dubious distinction, among others, of having had 'his' harem... hijacked
15:29 asciilifeform ( in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805137 sense )
15:29 a111 Logged on 2018-04-24 15:26 mircea_popescu: you should see the panic when i send girl to swoop her.
15:29 mircea_popescu this is not so rare ; most harems end up hijacked. if slut follows soldier, then necessarily.
15:30 mircea_popescu and besides -- what the fuck should happen ? eventually you're old. and then dead. what, all of them should kill themselves ?
15:30 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> doesn't ~anyone~ get tenure anymore ?! << Promoted out of it suggest the idle life of a single graduate seminar every other semester + lab.
15:30 mircea_popescu i guess.
15:31 mircea_popescu anyway, if it wasn't evident, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815617 was re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815579
15:31 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 18:58 mircea_popescu: Mocky, the empire of evil started as the republic of men.
15:31 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 18:14 Mocky: speaking of plot twists, pretty surprised by the Ada usage. I pictured usg.DOD-design-by-committee lang commissioned to help build out the chumpatronic-mass-programmer infrastructure for gov contracts. I guess it's time to reevaluate my priors.
15:31 Mocky yeah but isnt' that why you call it polyamory, so that after it gets jacked then well it was never a 'harem' and it was never 'yours' ?
15:32 mircea_popescu not afaik ; moreover polyamory has naught to do with the harem ; and this even before you consider "polyamory" ie http://trilema.com/2018/heres-what-polyamory-is-not/
15:34 mircea_popescu in fact, polyamory and the harem are exact opposites under this aspect, that polyamory is transparently enough an attempt to limit the depth of investment (after all, good soviet shouldn't love anything more than the party, right) whereas harem is on the contrary, what pitre'd call "an exagerated" investment. absolute enough to consider "move on or burn myself" dilemma as such.
15:35 mircea_popescu (pitre ref being http://trilema.com/2016/house-of-strangers/#selection-65.554-69.1 )
15:36 Mocky this is hard to keep up with, i haven't even gotten though "Democracy sucks..." yet, lol
15:36 mircea_popescu lol.
15:37 mircea_popescu hey, trilema is like, the larger half of the internets.
15:39 mircea_popescu anyway, there's a golden thread uniting the house of strangers and http://trilema.com/2018/pepi-luci-bom-y-otras-chicas-del-monton/ : that woman, the misfortunate burden bearer, beset by stupid girlies and stupider boys.
15:39 mircea_popescu and generally alone.
15:39 lobbes Mocky, dun feel bad, it took me yesterday and today to finally get through that one. (well, except for the Greek, because, well, it is all Greek to me!)
15:41 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/05/dubious-yet-encouraging-report-supposes-bitcoin-mining-achieved-or-set-to-promptly-achieve-0-5-of-world-energy-consumption/ << Qntra - Dubious Yet Encouraging Report Supposes Bitcoin Mining Achieved Or Set To Promptly Achieve 0.5% of World Energy Consumption
15:41 BingoBoingo ^ Mocky you might be interested in where the trilemas linked in that news item lead
15:41 mircea_popescu ha. only two degrees of magnitude left.
15:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seriously
15:42 mircea_popescu lobbes, if you're inclined, there's an excellent item that you can use to teach yourself greek : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157
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15:43 mircea_popescu the horiz arrows / bars on top take you through the text ; if you click on any word you get a report, and lexicon links (multiple, because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697164
15:43 a111 Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
15:43 mircea_popescu nevertheless with patience you can construct your own dictionary translation, which may be informative ; and in any case is a process of actual learning as opposed to going to us.school.
15:45 mircea_popescu it's true that on one hand this failed spectacularily with chinese in my own hands ( http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/ ) ; and that a girl's on the record as having spent A YEAR with a moderate length ENGLIS?H text in this way. nevertheless, no other avenues work, long and involved and beset with perils as this one may indeed turn out to be.
15:47 mircea_popescu aande in random words today : talaz, meaning wave in romanian. because θάλασσα.
15:52 mircea_popescu ima put this in there, because ahahaha. touton : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=tou%3Dton&la=greek&can=tou%3Dton0&prior=ei%28/lonto&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157:chapter=1&i=1#lexicon
15:52 Mocky i don't remember that last time anyone recommended reading to me unsolicited, and now my post-it note reading list system is struggling to keep up. I'm going to need something better
15:53 mircea_popescu put everything on hooks!
15:54 Mocky the books and the crooks
15:54 mircea_popescu it's a seinfeld joke. from the virgin. "you could get forty hooks in here!"
15:56 Mocky wow i missed a seinfeld reference, i just watched all 6 good seasons of that, damn 2 years ago
15:58 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815486 << this went over my head
15:58 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 16:25 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, btw, i'm curious : has your fish friend figured out the "He admits he cannot name one other Christian leader outside his own little band of followers—anyone who has lived in the two millennia between the death of the last apostle and the advent of Darwin Fish—who has remained faithful to the truth." bla bla bla "criticism" is very strictly a http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22there+was+a+limit+where+the+fla
15:59 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2xF3UMesFw
15:59 mircea_popescu danielpbarron, you aware the dood has a set of detractors/"critics" yes ?
16:00 danielpbarron yes
16:03 mircea_popescu ok. and upon summarization, the most notable point that remains of their accreted body of critique is, "this guy doesn't think anyone else was righteous", as in eg https://archive.is/KGCUs#selection-479.25-479.267
16:04 danielpbarron we don't know of anyone else, which is not to say there aren't or haven't been any
16:05 mircea_popescu be that as it may ; the question was, "are you aware why they ask".
16:12 danielpbarron they can't fault us on matters of scripture, so they find extra-Biblical points
16:13 danielpbarron and the "you think you're the only one" is an especially weak point, seeing as how scripture indicates there will be very few who truely believe
16:15 mircea_popescu rather, you realise, david fish is not ~personally~ interesting to whatever ocean trawler neoprotestant californian "mega" church. the strict item that interests them is to reduce the sovereignity issue. as far as they're concerned the most important property of the universe is integration, a single center with everything in a star pattern. so he's supposed to be confronted very much with a "choice" (in the http://trilema.com
16:15 mircea_popescu /2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ sense of choice) : either he picks "someone", where someone is defined as ~one of them~, some boeck or other, in which case, "here's an article by the boeck ~you picked~ saying ~you're wrong" ; or else VERY BAD AND WE WILL ALL SHAKE OUR HEAD AND PRETEND LIKE YOU DID UNSPEAKABLE WRONGS
16:15 mircea_popescu because this works, especially if you're a 40yo woman confronting a 5yo boy.
16:16 mircea_popescu this is incidentally a pretty decent parlour trick : take a bonbon in one hand and nothing i nthe other, and present young child with the choice -- but shake your head no as he goes for the bonbon. you'll be surprised (really, in esl lands you'll be downright shocked) how much trouble young kids have in escaping this trap.
16:18 danielpbarron so you're saying darwin is the good guy?
16:18 mircea_popescu i'm not making any judgement about him ; but i am pointing out the whatever they're called, the dudes he's fixated on, are very obviously total tards.
16:19 mircea_popescu well adapted to life in a democracy, sure, but that's besides the point. mentally vacuous as all get-out.
16:20 Mocky this darwin guy was part of grace community church?
16:20 mircea_popescu "Grace Community Church". what a stupid name.
16:20 mircea_popescu Mocky, yeah.
16:20 mircea_popescu he was put on the radar once his lordship danielpbarron decided to move to rural ok.
16:20 danielpbarron Mocky, you've heard of them?
16:21 Mocky like, with that macarthur guy, oh man
16:21 mircea_popescu ah, you live around there ?
16:21 Mocky yeah was a huge 'fan' of macarthur for years, had macarthur study bible i carried around, listened to him on the radio etc
16:21 mircea_popescu btw lobbes, let me ask you this : when is a door not a door ?
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16:21 mircea_popescu Mocky, anything good ?
16:22 danielpbarron Mocky, http://www.atruechurch.info/macarthur.html
16:26 Mocky i thought he was a good speaker at the time, i guess his shtick was explaining (his understanding of) the scriptural hermeneutics to people who don't care about such things but want to feel as if they do
16:26 Mocky anyway after god died, i didn't bother keeping the bible
16:27 mircea_popescu may i suggest one of your next posts, by the title "A summary of MacArthur & stuff, for the use of MP, who doesn't give a shit about such things" ?
16:27 mircea_popescu anyway, ~most~ of what's left of imperial cultural / intellectual life is exactly, "explaining bits and pieces of the deceased culture of the white man, for gorillas that aren't white man but like to feel like they ~could be~, if they ~really wanted to~.
16:30 danielpbarron there is a lot of similarity between atruechurch and trilema -- fixation on what the retards are teaching other retards, hated for it, and every so often someone gets it and stops by
16:30 douchebag Woo, got a $1k bug bounty :D
16:31 mircea_popescu wd.
16:31 douchebag thx
16:32 douchebag That's going to really help for when I travel Europe soon, had fun with it too :^)
16:32 mircea_popescu danielpbarron, while present, i'd say these are marginal considerations here, mostly exploited for their comedic potential.
16:32 Mocky douchebag, what was it you found?
16:33 douchebag Mocky: I chained CSRF with XSS -> Account Takeover
16:33 mircea_popescu he really likes the web stuff.
16:33 douchebag I also found an open redirect, which they patched. I was able to bypass their fix so I'm waiting on a reply from that now
16:34 mircea_popescu lol
16:35 Mocky i tried my hand at that stuff a year ago, you heard of ncc group?
16:36 douchebag Possibly, what does ncc stand for?
16:38 Mocky i don't remenmber, some bigish security consultancy, do a lot of conference talks, anyway almost interviews with those lying bastards, after spending a month doing their 'hack the firmware' challenge and 'find all the security holes in this web site' challenge
16:39 douchebag I was at a 3 security conferences in the past month, had a great time
16:39 mircea_popescu any chicks ?
16:39 douchebag Surprisingly, yes
16:40 mircea_popescu cool!
16:41 Mocky i figured can't be worse than programming java, and it was a cool feeling owning some web app, but didn't pan out
16:41 douchebag Yeah, I went there with 2 people from class one was a female and she introduced me to a bunch of her coworkers which were primarily female so we just got drunk and watched conference talks
16:42 mircea_popescu this sounds like an actual party.
16:43 douchebag It is man! I definitely reccomend attending some of the larger security conferences
16:43 mircea_popescu hanbot, feel like going sometime ?
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16:44 douchebag I also got to meet some internet friends there - it was a great time
16:46 douchebag Also made friends with a couple of people I had no idea were even going, they just happened to mention they were at the same conference in chat so we met up
16:53 douchebag Lulz: http://bugbounty.fail/
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17:35 asciilifeform unrelatedly: since nobody answered http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815331 riddle, i'ma post the answer :
17:35 a111 Logged on 2018-05-18 18:52 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the lullicus maxiumus, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/5332 >> 1) it's a prime 2) it's a... i'ma leave this as exercise for the reader !
17:35 asciilifeform the prime is... 0xcd0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000d9 !!
17:36 mircea_popescu o.O
17:36 asciilifeform aaaha.
17:36 mircea_popescu what, actual barf made it into the buffer ?
17:37 asciilifeform hey it obeys the 'set coupla upper bits and get nextprime()' algo! so wat if forgot to rngize !11
17:37 mircea_popescu "our prime generator consists of crashing the program and using the core dump"
17:37 asciilifeform not barf ! genuine prime.
17:37 asciilifeform with a sprinkle of nobus on top.
17:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, it's 128 bytes!
17:38 asciilifeform aha, part of a 2048b modulus
17:38 mircea_popescu ie, conceivably, someone had a set of 64-bit registers, one of which contained "cd"
17:39 asciilifeform seems more likely that top byte was deliberately set != 0 , this seems to be the custom in erry single rsatron i ran across
17:39 asciilifeform ( the odds against uninited buffer having just those, are heavy )
17:39 mircea_popescu entirely possible also. except cd is 11001101
17:40 asciilifeform aha
17:40 mircea_popescu anyway, the fact that both 220.157.192.232 and 113.37.155.10 used ~different~ keys that had this as a factor kinda favour your theory, "set bit on null-rnd, nextprime()".
17:40 mircea_popescu as it's fucking unlikely two machines crashed the particular way i describe.
17:41 asciilifeform recall, we already had a 'set top bit and nexprime()' bunch: http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities
17:42 mircea_popescu yeah
17:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, you realise what this suggests : try all primes of the format xx(124 bits of 0)yy.
17:43 mircea_popescu there'd conceivably be onlty a coupla thousand of them.
17:43 asciilifeform already wrote up the generator for this, last night
17:43 mircea_popescu also 123 and 125 bits of 0 ?
17:43 asciilifeform it is going into production in coupla day
17:43 asciilifeform gonna feed in 256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192-long variants of this .
17:43 asciilifeform for starters.
17:44 mircea_popescu wait, why 256 ?
17:44 asciilifeform buncha 512b keys in the collection
17:44 mircea_popescu N is 256.
17:44 mircea_popescu do you mean "64 to 128 bytes" ?
17:44 asciilifeform was speaking above of the ~primes~
17:44 asciilifeform and bit lengths
17:44 mircea_popescu oh oh BIT lengths.
17:44 * asciilifeform normally thinks of 'bitness' in re rsa, rather than 'byteness'
17:45 mircea_popescu makes sense actually. alrighty!
17:45 mircea_popescu should be interesting to see what pops with this.
17:45 mircea_popescu Moduli Broken: 3036. heh.
17:47 asciilifeform in other lullies re subj : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QazsK/?raw=true << nontrivial (256b and up) primes known to phuctor, sorted by ascending ~ent score~
17:48 asciilifeform ( made with simple proggy http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E9C6q/?raw=true )
17:49 asciilifeform this alone is not , arguably, interesting ; but then turns out that the score of the ~modulus~ is not uncorrelated with that of the constituent primes.
17:52 mircea_popescu o.O
17:53 asciilifeform see, moar interesting than brute strength, would be an electrical litmus for all such moduli.
17:53 asciilifeform this is possible via lattice method, but sadly i haven't currently the free hands
17:53 mircea_popescu or at least some more classification.
17:53 mircea_popescu right.
17:55 asciilifeform other potentially-interesting stabs in the dark include nextprime(sha1/2(dictionarypassword)) and the like.
17:59 mircea_popescu by now getting kinda dim tho. but the 0000 sets, definitely worth doing.
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18:51 lobbes oh hey, thank you. this is a pretty cool tool >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815685
18:51 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 19:42 mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you're inclined, there's an excellent item that you can use to teach yourself greek : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157
18:51 lobbes this is how I've been approaching Deutsch lernen von Kant; I've been going through word-by-word and physically writing down my own researched definitions of each word. Then I'll re-read trying to reconstruct with my new definitions in hand until I encounter something new, then repeat. Slow going (I can read a total of 3 sentences now without checking my notes) but it has been working for me so far, daran ist gar kein Zweifel >> http://btcbase.org
18:51 lobbes /log/2018-05-19#1815688
18:53 mircea_popescu ehehehe
18:54 mircea_popescu mind that there's no point in putting a bonus on "not checking notes". that's why they're notes, to be checked. let memory adapt naturally and unconstrained -- when the animal you inhabit has had enough of the motor effort to check up $X, it'll memorize it ; and before--- it checks.
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18:54 mircea_popescu the ~checking~ is the only part that needs your enforcement ; the rest it does itself.
18:55 lobbes this makes sense
18:55 mircea_popescu then over time it learns to trust you're not bullshiting it, either, and so i ended up learning all of physics magic numberds without ever trying to. to the despair of the kids that did.
18:55 mircea_popescu and then as an adult, the building code.
18:55 mircea_popescu and even today, i know ~nothing "without checking my notes". nor do i want to, wtf. that's why there's a log, after all, because of this style.
18:56 mircea_popescu the point is to know ~with~ your knotes. you're not auditioning for laika over here.
18:57 mircea_popescu and the model is readily expanded to writing software, too. by the time you've had enough of writing $x, you'll write a script to write $x for you. AND NOT BEFORE.
18:59 mircea_popescu this simple measure experimentally increases productivity by an order of magnitude, counterintuitive as that may be. because "programming" essentially consists of people spending ten hours to save five minutes, much like "business" is, by bulk, people working 14 to 16 hour days to make a dime an hour ~while they sleep~, except they only sleep 4-5 hours a night.
19:02 mircea_popescu defining knowledge as "that which happens without your notes" is not unlike telling a bunch of F1 pilots that speed is that which happens without their car. really ?
19:04 mircea_popescu presumably next step after that, they'll challenge the king of persia to "single combat". talk about infantile worldviews.
19:08 lobbes I will say, I've started keeping very detailed notes of everything I do re: my various projects. has become an extension of my brain really >> mircea_popescu> and even today, i know ~nothing "without checking my notes". nor do i want to, wtf. that's why there's a log, after all, because of this style.
19:09 lobbes tedious at first, but has already saved my ass on so many occasions (my trb install adventure, recently, for example)
19:09 mircea_popescu "ia, not ai."
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19:09 lobbes I'm truly beginning to grok that these days
19:12 mircea_popescu in any case -- kant without greek is an iffy proposition, because the fellow was practically the last athenian.
19:12 mircea_popescu and so the spittoon unstrands...
19:15 lobbes phew, I've got a lifetime of translating ahead of me. It is fun, however
19:15 mircea_popescu it's certainly better than running about chasing own tail in the nonsensical dilemmas of democracy.
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19:33 lobbes it really is. most depressing quote I overheard the other day in the cubicle fields: "I just want to climb the corporate ladder". It is like the legends of "band continuing to play while Titanic sank"
19:37 lobbes I really need to get back to reading Gibbon's "Decline and Fall", though I'm starting to think that perhaps I should be starting with a text that deals with the -rise and formation- of the republic and eventual empire so as to give better context as to what, exactly, was declining. And on that note: anyone recommend a good text for that subject? >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815645
19:37 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 19:22 mircea_popescu: lobbes, sure ; though it's iffier there, in that caesar and then espeically augustus actually attempted a restart of the proper republic out of the ashes of the shit it had ended up in. caesar in this sense is the polar opposite of lincoln, ie, attempted to manipulate the overwhelming pantsuit into the extinction-or-sanity dilemma, rather than being manipulated by the underwhelming pantsuit into internecine warfare.
19:38 * lobbes bbl, meat
19:45 mircea_popescu lobbes, cicero. indirectly cesar, but rather informative.
19:45 mircea_popescu there's also polybius, in greek.
19:45 mircea_popescu fellow was present for the sack of cartago.
19:49 mircea_popescu then there's nepos, appian, dio...
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20:41 trinque lobbes: I find your quoting style kinda hard to read. looks like a non sequitur in whatever thread they appear until the end is reached, and oh ">>"
20:41 trinque imho the quote and then comment style is far superior
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22:20 lobbes trinque: ah yeah, I see your point.
22:24 lobbes mircea_popescu> [23:49:57] then there's nepos, appian, dio.. << ah, excellent, these give me a lot to run with. ty
22:27 asciilifeform lobbes: i gotta ask, is there a reason you dislike using proper logline quoting ?
22:28 asciilifeform y'know, the civilized , clickable, back-referenceable kind
22:31 trinque esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815256 << yo, what of this, and the other things addressed to you?
22:31 a111 Logged on 2018-05-18 03:51 trinque is peeling back the layers trying to see what gpg is cranky about. meanwhile, why'd the (defpackage :v ...) go away?
22:32 trinque it'd be bad form to try to throw a genesis patch "over the wall" for this without taking the time to have the necessary threads.
22:46 lobbes asciilifeform: I don't dislike. I was operating under the mode of "reduce log clutter (via not triggering $quotebot) if quote being referenced is ~10 lines away"
22:47 lobbes but, I suppose in this situation, I may as well use the "username:" and forgo the quote
22:47 trinque aha, people are going to be able to tell the context.
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23:03 trinque esthlos: there's also no sense in giving the thing a version number. the "version" is the patch the operator pressed to.
23:03 trinque speaking of press, press needs to ask where to press as a parameter, and not have a default.
23:04 trinque since I haven't heard from you, I'm proceeding with these changes myself
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23:04 asciilifeform write ops with default destinations are ugh in general
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23:23 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815253 << moved my own keyring aside, and it pressed. so this isn't fully isolated from user's default keyring.
23:23 a111 Logged on 2018-05-18 03:50 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814596 << gave this a whirl, but press of trb's makefiles.vpatch says GnuPG failed to import key ".../wot/ben_vulpes.asc".
23:23 trinque btw see how I'm having a thread with myself and getting somewhere? imagine if ya joined in!
23:24 * trinque will start ragging on the guy. good work, but needs to develop out of the solipsist phase of the republican encounter
23:24 trinque *stop, heh
23:28 trinque !!v 78B23DC1EE11372E8869A71DDC6DB65368D11395A923AE03ABE8C276727AEFA8
23:28 deedbot trinque updated rating of douchebag from 1 to -1 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808376
23:28 trinque ^ in other solipsisms
23:30 douchebag trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m11O0/?raw=true
23:31 douchebag Not all of them, but a decent amount
23:32 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790212 << wtf, p.bvulpes is your blog?
23:32 a111 Logged on 2018-03-29 00:21 trinque: great. I'd like you to review the dependencies of trb (which were frozen at particular versions) for known public exploits, and to publish a report of this on your own mpwp blog.
23:33 douchebag Well, it's not complete so I didn't get that done yet.
23:41 trinque there are "incomplete" items on everyone's blog here.
23:41 trinque you latest crop of socially damaged derps will learn to communicate, and that's all.
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23:42 mircea_popescu motherfucker
23:43 mircea_popescu so get a load of this : i'm going uphill in the pitch darkness, you know, these complete hairpin curves, and WHAM! there's a fucking police truck, parked, searchlights etc, on THE WRONG WAY
23:43 douchebag Alright, I can have that done in the next week or so. I'm currently using the rockchip box to host a webpage to troll someone, so I want the lulz there to continue to it's full potential
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23:43 mircea_popescu so girl goes around it, therefgore also on wrong way, and the next thing there's a fucking motorcycle coming downhill.
23:43 mircea_popescu if that guy's not wearing brown underwear now...
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23:46 trinque heh damn. lucky his ass is still attached to the rest of him.
23:46 mircea_popescu and there's these foot+ ditches on either side, there's no surviving as a bike.
23:46 Mocky damn, I had a soccer mom in a mini van try to lane change on me without looking first just yesterday while riding
23:49 * trinque prefers about 5000lbs of metal per vehicle
23:50 mircea_popescu ^
23:51 * Mocky has skin in the game
23:51 trinque I was driving on the highway once, tight traffic, and a guy comes by on a crotch rocket laying like superman on the seat, feet out behind him, weaves through the cars at close to 100mph
23:52 douchebag trinque: also in theory, since I got RCE on lobbes bot, in theory I could have determined the balance of the bot if I decided to comprimise the system rather than proof of concept :^)
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23:53 trinque what does his bot have to do with mine?
23:53 trinque stop pulling your dick and do some work, nobody cares
23:53 douchebag The wager was to determine balance of any other user
23:53 douchebag without permission
23:53 trinque no, *arbitrary user*
23:53 Mocky yeah i've seen crazy shit like that, most of it in flordia. once saw a dude riding a wheelie on the interstate opposite direction. never saw his front tire on the ground
23:54 trinque I choose.
23:56 trinque douchebag: you know, in theory my girlfriend could be fabulously rich, given she heard about bitcoin first in 2010. and yet.
23:56 mircea_popescu before me, even! what's she do ?
23:56 trinque (her reaction ftr was something like "computers are shit, that will never work")
23:57 trinque she went to religious school, got an english lit degree and a huge pile o' debt
23:59 mircea_popescu interesting case of "correct reasoning rewarded by missing out"
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