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00:07 mod6 here's the patch
00:07 mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ei2pJTur
00:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGtYy )
00:09 mod6 here's a picture of what libs I had installed & openssl version: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=be4Yr0MZ
00:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGAmS )
00:10 mod6 i'll formalize this stuff in the next few days and get it on to the list.
00:16 mod6 more good news. my AWS instance achieved full sync just now with the following config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } & openssl version 1.0.1g : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VVz5j1dW
00:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGXhl )
00:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00040647 = 7.6416 BTC [-]
00:17 mod6 (this is on debian 6)
00:18 asciilifeform mod6: why did you snip the static build?
00:18 asciilifeform mod6: that patch renders bitcoind-portatronic unbuildable
00:21 mod6 ah. i'll add it back in. no prob. just wanted someone to look over my shoulder on that part.
00:21 * asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically
00:22 asciilifeform *built
00:23 mod6 that's fine. i kinda was thinking trying to statically link the libs was giving me an issue. forgot to add it back in.
00:24 mod6 i'll have another patch here in a minute. meanwhile, i have v0.0.8.2 of the perl script, few tweeks in case anyone cares: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UNzScJP7
00:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHiQS )
00:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00041245 = 7.3622 BTC [+] {3}
00:28 asciilifeform unrelated historical:
00:28 asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237547471622801@naggum.net.html << naggum on the 'altcoins' of his time.
00:28 assbot Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHsYD )
00:29 asciilifeform unrelated2: anybody here into Ada?
00:34 mod6 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ipcYZDsy
00:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHI9T )
00:34 mod6 asciilifeform: that look better?
00:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4705 @ 0.00041715 = 1.9627 BTC [+]
00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.00041715 = 2.6681 BTC [+]
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01:14 mod6 obsd v0.5.3.1 got past first 2 checkpoints: "version" : 50301, "blocks" : 42307,
01:19 mod6 passed 3rd checkpoint..
01:19 mod6 4th
01:20 mod6 5th
01:26 mod6 one thing that sucks about this version of bdb 4.6 is that it doesn't support my database flag to autoremote the database transaction logs : dbenv.log_set_config(DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE, 1);
01:26 mod6 :/
01:26 mod6 s/autoremote/autoremove/
01:32 mod6 6th checkpoint passed
01:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042019 = 6.3869 BTC [+]
01:43 punkman if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions?
01:43 danielpbarron exceptions
01:44 mod6 7th checkpoint passed
01:44 mod6 punkman: yeah, there's a bunch of work to be done surrouding openssl/libressl
01:44 ben_vulpes punkman: asciilifeform proposed snipping the crypto routines out of ssl and dropping them wholesale into the bitcoind
01:45 ben_vulpes okay hey so devil's advocate for a moment
01:45 ben_vulpes what's so bad about boost?
01:45 punkman fuck boost
01:46 ben_vulpes a well-reasoned critique. thanks punkman.
01:46 punkman :D
01:46 mod6 so, the funny part is, as the story goes, most of what is in boost was put into the 2011 standard.
01:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35315 @ 0.00042065 = 14.8553 BTC [+] {2}
01:46 mod6 one sec, lemme find this /. post & artcile i was reading.
01:47 * danielpbarron whips out a stick and points to a random line of boost source asking, "what does this line do?"
01:47 mod6 this is probably worth a read: http://developers-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/1423208/comparing-the-c-standard-and-boost
01:47 assbot Comparing the C++ Standard and Boost - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSfMkZ )
01:50 punkman I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does
01:50 ben_vulpes i have no clue, man.
01:51 punkman was replaced with something named "LOCK" soon after 0.5.3
01:51 mod6 its thread safty
01:51 ben_vulpes well okay i grok that it's related to thread safety
01:52 ben_vulpes but as to danielpbarron's pointer...
01:52 mod6 mutual exlusion semaphore
01:52 mod6 *exclusion
01:52 ben_vulpes i am full of questions as to how that's implemented
01:53 mod6 red ring + magical sword & shield required.
01:54 mod6 its hairy in there.
01:55 mod6 An adventurer is you!
01:55 ben_vulpes doesn't look like there are that many different boost functions called.
01:55 ben_vulpes assuming, that is that all boost functions start with BOOST_
01:57 mod6 i think a lot of em are, yeah.
01:58 mod6 i thought the warings at the end of the openbsd compilation were rather lulzy
01:59 mod6 gotta add a patch for that stuff
02:01 mod6 thestringpuller: thanks for testing that script tonight
02:09 punkman mod6, did you statically compile that last instance?
02:10 mod6 no
02:12 mod6 i'll rebuild with STATIC and see
02:12 ben_vulpes forgive the naivte, but what does static compilation buy one?
02:12 punkman not wondering about what version openssl you are using for one
02:14 ben_vulpes yeah explicit deps are nice
02:16 punkman and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages
02:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042205 = 9.1585 BTC [+]
02:21 punkman this is nice https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock
02:21 assbot gorhill/uBlock · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mild0f )
02:23 punkman http://gelio.livejournal.com/193025.html
02:23 assbot Gelio (Степанов Слава) - An-225 Mriya is the world’s largest aircraft (English version) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Milgt0 )
02:30 mod6 well, i think im just tired.
02:31 mod6 http://dpaste.com/02JHVFN
02:31 assbot dpaste: 02JHVFN ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClRY75 )
02:31 mod6 im not sure if that worked
02:32 mod6 OH
02:32 mod6 derp
02:33 mod6 "LMODE", not "LDMODE"
02:33 punkman sidenote: this version uses a dozen ways to print things to stdout/stderr, needs cleanup
02:33 mod6 noted.
02:34 punkman I can probably do that, after we decide on some standard
02:34 mod6 we'll get there :]
02:35 mod6 http://dpaste.com/1MQCQMX
02:35 assbot dpaste: 1MQCQMX ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClSvWP )
02:36 mod6 height=128873
02:39 mod6 -Wl,-Bdynamic
02:39 mod6 i still don't think i did the right thing there..
02:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15173 @ 0.000424 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {3}
02:52 cazalla scoopbot, u r hopeless :\ http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-group-limited-run-afoul-of-asic/
02:52 assbot Bitcoin Group Limited Run Afoul Of ASIC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinqJa )
02:53 punkman ASIC heh
03:00 mod6 punkman: http://dpaste.com/29Q2FMQ
03:00 assbot dpaste: 29Q2FMQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinZTc )
03:00 mod6 that's weird 'eh
03:00 mod6 this in one place: -Wl,-Bstatic : this in another: -Wl,-Bdynamic
03:01 mod6 oh LMODE2 didn't get set.
03:01 punkman yeah that if clause is weird
03:02 mod6 i thought the IFDEF should do that
03:02 mod6 o.O
03:02 mod6 ok here we go, one more time
03:05 mod6 alright, and yeah, the output binary is way bigger:
03:05 mod6 http://dpaste.com/23P8VBE
03:05 assbot dpaste: 23P8VBE ... ( http://bit.ly/1Miotsn )
03:06 mod6 its like ~10mb larger
03:06 mod6 [1] + Segmentation fault ./bitcoind -datadir=/home/mod6/.bitcoin -daemon (core dumped)
03:06 mod6 ho ho!
03:07 mod6 http://dpaste.com/0VPYTWM
03:07 assbot dpaste: 0VPYTWM ... ( http://bit.ly/1MioIDY )
03:08 mod6 well, thats all for me.
03:08 mod6 sleep(21600)
03:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00041978 = 12.7193 BTC [-] {2}
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03:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00042512 = 11.7121 BTC [+] {2}
03:39 cazalla fucking lightning
03:48 fluffypony cazalla: you should probably stop trying to have sex with it
03:48 fluffypony lightning burns
03:48 cazalla maybe you should stop with the unfunny south african jokes
03:49 cazalla how's that for a burn? :P
03:50 fluffypony hah hah
03:51 fluffypony something-something-sheep
03:51 cazalla it's the nzer's into sheep
03:52 fluffypony I know, but you're right there
03:53 fluffypony so by extension
03:56 cazalla i guess nz is to australia as australia is to ussa
04:02 cazalla fuck that lightning was so loud then
04:03 fluffypony the lightning...was...loud?
04:04 cazalla ya know, when it strikes.. made me jump that's all
04:06 fluffypony you mean the thunder was loud?
04:07 fluffypony lightning doesn't make a noise...unless it's hitting one of those electric substations and that explodes
04:07 cazalla then i guess that is what i meant
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04:25 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZX9h-6IEAA-JLy.jpg
04:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnDP6N )
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20439 @ 0.00042314 = 8.6486 BTC [-]
04:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32616 @ 0.00042526 = 13.8703 BTC [+] {3}
04:42 fluffypony punkman: I hate it when that happens
04:48 cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/02/quebec-regulator-bitcoin-businesses-need-a-licence/
04:48 assbot Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai4VRN )
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05:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00079303 = 1.9826 BTC [-] {2}
05:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00041853 = 14.5021 BTC [-]
05:07 BingoBoingo ;;later tell mod6 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb
05:07 assbot enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7EuG )
05:07 gribble The operation succeeded.
05:08 fluffypony cazalla: http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitcoin-group-pulled-up-for-pre-ipo-chatter/
05:08 assbot Bitcoin Group pulled up for pre-IPO chatter | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7K5m )
05:08 fluffypony lol at the securities commission in oz being called ASIC
05:08 cazalla posted that earlier
05:09 cazalla you know how the chinese are, scamming each other and all that
05:09 fluffypony yeah
05:09 cazalla demanding red letters full of bitcoins it seems
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05:38 BingoBoingo !up nubbins`
05:38 nubbins` hi
05:38 BingoBoingo hallo
05:38 nubbins` http://imgur.com/gDBg21z
05:38 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6YyOU )
05:38 nubbins` bit of snow yest
05:40 nubbins` oh and i'm going to cleve-land in april
05:50 fluffypony !up hegemoOn
05:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00041853 = 14.9415 BTC [-]
05:50 hegemoOn good morning ladies dans gentlemen
05:50 hegemoOn i wanted to share this to you http://www.antimoneylaunderinglaw.com/2015/01/france-eu-call-for-expedited-regulation-of-bitcoin-to-strengthen-counter-terrorist-financing-efforts-following-charlie-hebdo-incident-and-an-end-to-all-anonymous-financial-transactions-through-repor.html
05:50 assbot France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions | Duhaime's Anti-Money Laundering Law in Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiFrqE )
05:51 punkman cheeky
05:53 hegemoOn it is very funny indeed, when you know that in the Charlie-Hebdo attack, the money was founded by a consummer credit you can easely get just by phone call to a bank
05:53 hegemoOn and the terrorist got 6000 euros on begining of december this way to buy all the guns and bullet they needed for the attack
05:53 hegemoOn nothing related to crypto-currency
06:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43736 @ 0.00041831 = 18.2952 BTC [-] {2}
06:09 punkman 'Folks are like "that's poor software development practice", and I'm like "yeah, I used to have dreams too"'
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06:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00042611 = 12.5489 BTC [+] {2}
06:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00042951 = 37.1526 BTC [+] {4}
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06:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00043326 = 7.0188 BTC [+]
06:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00043353 = 5.3107 BTC [+] {2}
06:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00043368 = 3.0206 BTC [+]
06:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26035 @ 0.00043647 = 11.3635 BTC [+]
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07:17 davout hegemoOn: nice, no sources tho
07:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00042269 = 12.1312 BTC [-] {2}
07:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00042285 = 16.8717 BTC [+]
07:36 BingoBoingo Anyone looking to build bitcoind/bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD for wallet purposes likely needs to make this source change https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp
07:36 assbot openbsd-wip/patch-src_wallet_cpp at 9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMN3Ox )
07:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00042285 = 4.7782 BTC [+]
07:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00041363 = 9.3687 BTC [-] {3}
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08:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00041213 = 15.6609 BTC [-] {3}
08:15 cazalla danielpbarron, seems obvious eh
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08:34 danielpbarron yzyz
08:46 BingoBoingo managed to build a bitcoin-qt 0.7.2 on OpenBSD, alerts snipped, Fuck only know if it will sync
08:54 BingoBoingo Mucking with the bitcoin-qt source to get it to build was much easier with leveldb out of the picture. Refused to build in a way OpenBSD could link
08:55 BingoBoingo Block 60000 219 of RAM used so far
08:56 Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, out of curiosity why did you go for 0.7.2 ?
08:57 BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: Looking for the a version of qt that builds on openbsd at all
08:58 BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: Also qr codes for recieving
08:58 Apocalyptic aha
08:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00042412 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {2}
09:00 BingoBoingo Some foundation patches like alert snipping have been implemented, but no idea if this is suitable for broad distribution
09:00 BingoBoingo Probably not I'd wager
09:00 BingoBoingo 84204, over half way to the first wedge block
09:01 Adlai why should bitcoind care the slightest about qr codes?
09:02 Adlai you can produce them in a separate program[/computer] given just an address
09:02 BingoBoingo Adlai: Mobile online machine, Maybe I want someone to shoot money at me from a Pnohe while watching it hit
09:03 Apocalyptic Adlai, bitcoind shoudln't, indeed. bitcoin-qt is another program
09:04 BingoBoingo Any ways, it is exercise to learn the new environment
09:05 Apocalyptic can't hurt
09:05 BingoBoingo changine random to arc4_random for the nonces was probably important for this build platform so catching that was importish
09:07 BingoBoingo Under 300MB of ram 100k blocks in
09:09 Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, note that the use of arc4 stream cipher for randomness in something as critical as ECDSA sig nonces is... discouraged. If I remember correctly it's a bit biased
09:10 BingoBoingo They don't use rc4 for arc4_random anymore.
09:10 punkman people have lost money with duplicate nonces
09:10 Apocalyptic oh, then nevermind
09:12 BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man3/arc4random.3?query=arc4random&sec=3
09:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOLRIm )
09:13 Apocalyptic ty
09:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00040894 = 11.335 BTC [-]
09:17 BingoBoingo The just changed the mnemonic device to “A Replacement Call for Random” when the parts under the hood changed
09:25 mod6 BingoBoingo: Thanks for the links, the second one (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp) probably fixes this warning : src/wallet.cpp:858: warning: rand() isn't random; consider using arc4random()
09:26 BingoBoingo I really need to take better notes, but that was the big flag I noticed
09:27 mod6 ah, ok: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb << this will fix the random thing, but i don't think the makefile change here does anything.
09:27 assbot enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOPPkj )
09:27 BingoBoingo That, I don't know.
09:28 mod6 statically linking the libs into the bitcoind output binary made it cross its eyes and wet its pants lastnight
09:29 BingoBoingo I was about to call it a night three hours ago, but now the Sun's been up forever and I can't stop watching blocks sync
09:29 mod6 haha, nice.
09:30 mod6 after that thing blew up i was like, time for bed.
09:30 mod6 so are you running v0.5.3.1 or .7.2 ?
09:32 mod6 i gotta recompile (linking dynamically) and see if I can get past 168,001
09:32 BingoBoingo 0.7.2 qt, tried forever on 0.8.6 qt to avoid futzing with the BDB settings. Twas a mistake. It took the better part of a day to realize leveldb is never building for my level of skill in the necessary way and two seconds to patch that BDB shit
09:32 BingoBoingo mod6: Your wedged?
09:33 mod6 ah, no. but recently had issues with VerifiySignature on a tx in block 168,001
09:33 mod6 that was on linux w/openssl v0.9.8o
09:33 mod6 this one uses LibreSSL 2.0
09:34 BingoBoingo Ah, so I'm the brave fuck who will be riding LibreSSL2.0 into the block firsted
09:34 mod6 An adventurer is you!
09:35 mod6 I'm on block ~128k
09:36 mod6 so when the dynamic compile is done here, will start back up.
09:41 mod6 <+punkman> and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages << fwiw, i've never done this ever. should always rebuild binarys on the local environment.
09:43 mod6 ok im off and running again
09:44 mod6 @ 130k
09:44 mod6 shouldn't be too long before i get to where i want to be. i can't even do full sync on this vm anyway. i didnt make the vm disk big enough.
09:45 mod6 but, will set up a different vm for this later
09:50 BingoBoingo 138870 464MB of RAM
09:53 BingoBoingo Progress has paused, CPU usage dropped, RAM's inching up. Looks like bastards or peer stooped feeding me atm
09:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34589 @ 0.000417 = 14.4236 BTC [+] {2}
09:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4317 @ 0.00075171 = 3.2451 BTC [-] {19}
09:58 BingoBoingo Same block 522MB RAM and rising
10:00 BingoBoingo Made it 4 more blocks, hit its own RAM limit and crashed
10:02 BingoBoingo Well... not crashed, killed. A warrior's version of a crash
10:07 mod6 ah, yeah.
10:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53502 @ 0.00040656 = 21.7518 BTC [-]
10:08 BingoBoingo Running again, debating whether to give it more ram. Dunno it will do anything useful other than maybe take longer to crash
10:10 mod6 yeah, the latter. i wouldn't worry about it.
10:10 mod6 here's a picture of my build/env: http://dpaste.com/19765BN
10:11 assbot dpaste: 19765BN ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoD1T6 )
10:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00041766 = 13.2816 BTC [+] {2}
10:19 BingoBoingo !up hegemoOn
10:20 hegemoOn thx
10:20 hegemoOn :)
10:20 hegemoOn davout: complained the artical didn't provide any source, i feed him with two others articles on the same topic
10:23 hegemoOn if anyone interested i can c&p
10:29 thestringpuller mod6: ugh dat wedge
10:30 mod6 you hit it on your linux box?
10:30 thestringpuller yea 160k height or something
10:30 thestringpuller you do getinfo and it just stays there lol
10:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43359 @ 0.00040543 = 17.579 BTC [-] {2}
10:30 mod6 run this: `openssl version -a`
10:30 thestringpuller one second
10:31 mod6 eh.
10:31 mod6 no
10:31 thestringpuller 0.9.8o is the one installed on the system
10:31 mod6 sometimes you do a 'getinfo' and its "busy" doing "SetBestChain" or something similar.
10:31 mod6 so just be aware of that -- sometimes it can take a /while/ to respond.
10:32 mod6 better to watch `tail -f /path/to/.bitcoin/debug.log` to see whats really actually happening.
10:32 mod6 ok 0.9.8o is the version we had problems with too though
10:33 mod6 youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
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10:34 mod6 if you do get that, please give us a pastebin of the 'getinfo' & 'openssl version -a'
10:34 mod6 maybe throw a `uname -a` in there as well
10:34 mod6 thanks for testing!
10:34 asciilifeform should always rebuild binarys on the local environment << not practical on embedded system
10:35 mod6 sure
10:35 mod6 just relating that im indeed against distribution of binaries
10:37 chetty interesting, if all packages only came as source sure would cut down on derpage on the nets, imagine reddtards have to build their own ie
10:38 mod6 it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops
10:38 mod6 :)
10:38 chetty ;D
10:41 BingoBoingo Would MS let them build IE?
10:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33803 @ 0.00042197 = 14.2639 BTC [+]
10:42 BingoBoingo And if one had to build, would a derp actuall build IE?
10:42 BingoBoingo As in make the choice to do that? Or would they actually do that because it is both hard and stupid
10:42 chetty <BingoBoingo> Would MS let them build IE?// haha MS would never release source, thats kinda why I picked it
10:44 BingoBoingo Wedge block coming up
10:45 BingoBoingo passed block 160000 successfully
10:45 mod6 that's fine
10:46 mod6 the checkpoint block is 168,000
10:46 BingoBoingo AH
10:46 mod6 but you need to really watch out for 168,001
10:48 BingoBoingo As I typed that I though I might be missing some non-zero numbers
10:48 mod6 there would be 95% less people on the tubes if they had to compile everything themselves. ``THE BARRIER TO ENTRY IS TOO DAMN HIGH!.jpg''
10:48 BingoBoingo ;;google rakeem oakland
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10:49 Adlai dad@dinner: "what happens when people start saving their bitcoins, rather than just spending them?"
10:50 Adlai good dad, just keep walking down this road!
10:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 388 @ 0.00964631 = 3.7428 BTC [+] {6}
10:50 BingoBoingo Ram usage dropped, a bunch of Orphans just found a father
10:53 danielpbarron is there any evidence to suggest that there are nodes out there intentionally feeding bad data for the purpose of hindering the establishment of new nodes?
10:53 mod6 danielpbarron: i don't have any evidence to support that.
10:54 danielpbarron it's a possibility though, right?
10:54 mod6 doesn't mean that a few bad seeds aren't out there though. more research required.
10:54 mod6 yeah
10:54 mod6 i suppose anything is possible.
11:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33142 @ 0.00041439 = 13.7337 BTC [-]
11:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00040548 = 17.8411 BTC [-]
11:12 BingoBoingo Passed the wedge block at 169390
11:17 mod6 nice!
11:17 mod6 you're on 0.7x tho right?
11:19 BingoBoingo Right
11:19 BingoBoingo The wedge issue was more related to which libssl gets compiled into the mess than the version though, isn't it
11:20 mod6 well, so we think. but its not really apples to apples since that code base is so much different.
11:21 mod6 but good to know anyway.
11:28 danielpbarron !gettrust assbot Jojatekok
11:28 assbot Jojatekok is not registered in WoT.
11:28 danielpbarron !up Jojatekok
11:28 Jojatekok ahh thanks :D
11:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00040275 = 19.5334 BTC [-] {2}
11:41 thestringpuller mod6: if I upgrade openssl will I be able get past the wedge?
11:42 thestringpuller kinda annoyed @ the power rangers rite meow
11:43 mod6 thestringpuller: ben & I were able to pass it once we upgraded to v1.0.1g
11:44 mod6 thestringpuller: dont forget to give us a paste of the info though! plzkthx
11:46 mircea_popescu mike_c: oddly hypnotic: http://i.imgur.com/JHBwH3f.jpg << o great
11:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4iEIF )
11:47 mircea_popescu mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name. << write names inclined 30 degrees ?
11:52 mircea_popescu jurov: lol why us? << chick's been reading trilema, http://trilema.com/2013/paid-content/#comment-112142 i guess this is her trying to be funnay.
11:52 assbot Paid content pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4jIMG )
11:52 mircea_popescu moral being, don't try to be funnay with people you don't know, it never works.
11:53 mircea_popescu ;;later tell brendafdez: ^facebook^bitcoin << the posix format for this is /facebook/bitcoin/ in reference to the sed command.
11:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:55 mircea_popescu decimation: I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports << if you could document what you did exactly it'd prolly save people time.
11:57 mike_c write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.
11:58 chetty http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/tweeting-for-treatment-in-venezuela/38656.article
11:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4kUzR )
12:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11638 @ 0.00040227 = 4.6816 BTC [-]
12:05 thestringpuller ;;seen mike_c
12:05 gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <mike_c> write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.
12:05 thestringpuller mike_c: you around?
12:05 thestringpuller oh 1157 EST, i'm blind ~_~
12:05 mircea_popescu !up rucoi_
12:06 mike_c what's up
12:06 thestringpuller I've been using force layout via d3 to graph the lord's nodes
12:06 thestringpuller the centric dependency graph may get crazy
12:07 mike_c yeah, you need a serious package to handle a lot of nodes/edges. igraph is the only i've found that does a good job so far.
12:08 thestringpuller I'm able to get 500 nodes with interactivity.
12:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00040548 = 9.4071 BTC [+]
12:09 thestringpuller i was thinking of rendering as force layout without interactivity and then dumping the resulting SVG
12:09 thestringpuller then at least all nodes would be spaced
12:10 mike_c yeah, but you don't get a sense of tiers unless you use a tree layout
12:12 mike_c the one i posted is.. reingold/tilford with the radial layout instead of top-down
12:13 thestringpuller mike_c you can with nodes: cookiechief.com/wotviz
12:13 mike_c yeah, for l1 :)
12:13 thestringpuller each node spawns from a central point kinda like orbits
12:14 thestringpuller yea l2 will spawn from the orbits around l1
12:14 thestringpuller it's just an adjustment in force
12:14 mike_c when you add l2 it wants to do things like put nanotube way off by himself because he has a bajillion out nodes
12:14 thestringpuller ah d3 respond that way, it uses a different force algrotihm
12:16 mircea_popescu mike_c not necessarily bad is it ?
12:17 mike_c depends what you mean. you lose all sense of l1, l2
12:17 thestringpuller mike_c: I can apply the data to tilford style tree: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4063550
12:17 mircea_popescu ah that. ok ok nm, im not going to speak on things i don't have before eyes.
12:17 thestringpuller kinda like "tree of life"
12:18 mike_c thestringpuller: remember though, it's not just a tree, it's a forest
12:18 mike_c lot's of ratings between l1 members for example
12:20 thestringpuller http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1153292 << yea hence why that particular part is easier with a node graph
12:21 thestringpuller i'm terrible with d3 tho, it's just easy to represent data interactively with it.
12:23 thestringpuller I'll ;;later you what I come up with for L2 arrangement. These are interesting points to consider.
12:24 mike_c cool
12:25 thestringpuller lol playing with graphs. :P And you say you and academia don't get along.
12:27 mike_c hm. maybe it was just the wrong academia. shit gets published in here, peer reviewed, etc. i guess that's a lot like academia.
12:33 thestringpuller :D
12:40 ben_vulpes peer review, testing in production, what's the difference anyways
12:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00040227 = 5.0686 BTC [-]
12:44 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: you are the only advocate of cowboy coding I know of
12:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00040193 = 15.0523 BTC [-] {2}
12:55 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: when have i ever done such?!
12:55 thestringpuller "Something something client asked me to change something on live server something something something in the logs." :)
12:56 ben_vulpes come back with actual citations, troll
12:56 thestringpuller !s from:ben_vulpes production
12:56 assbot 15 results for 'from:ben_vulpes production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+production
12:57 ben_vulpes glhf
12:57 thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#977678 << :D
12:57 ben_vulpes ...
12:57 ben_vulpes i thought the automation was implicit.
12:57 kakobrekla what is this monologue, is noise hole polluting ?
12:58 ben_vulpes i can't tell if it's me or thestringpuller on your ignore list kakobrekla
12:58 thestringpuller everyone is on kakobrekla's ignore list
12:58 kakobrekla i can see you
12:59 ben_vulpes i guess that answers that
12:59 kakobrekla !rated thestringpuller
12:59 assbot You rated user thestringpuller on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: noise hole..
12:59 kakobrekla yeah see
12:59 ben_vulpes ok ok i'll do my own research next time
13:02 thestringpuller jus' like high school :D
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13:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00040592 = 7.2254 BTC [+] {2}
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 760 @ 0.00972077 = 7.3878 BTC [-] {9}
14:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.01199429 = 5.9971 BTC [+] {3}
14:19 mircea_popescu !up rucoi
14:21 mircea_popescu Subject: Unusual activity in your American Express account From: "American Express" <no-replay@amex.com>
14:22 mircea_popescu these would have to be quite unusual, i never owned an amex card.
14:22 mircea_popescu To secure your account , please click http://mail.amex.com/http://tarik4.awardspace.com/americanexpress/amex.html
14:22 mircea_popescu imagine this. amex is retarded enough to actually allow this.
14:23 mircea_popescu Received: from 64-178-159-35.eastlink.ca ([64.178.159.35]:63005 helo=amex.com)
14:25 mircea_popescu *: asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically << this is correct. consensus systems may NOT pull dynamic links. ever.
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30210 @ 0.00040302 = 12.1752 BTC [-] {2}
14:26 mircea_popescu punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << you mean in the blockchain ? the thing's actually coherent.
14:30 mircea_popescu " Look at how many responses you have received! And only because you are so blindingly stubborn and /wrong/. Be right about something, and nobody says a word, write something insightful that required much thought on your end, and you are guaranteed silence (but occasionally some uplifting mail)."
14:30 mircea_popescu awww poor naggum.
14:30 mircea_popescu "But say something utterly boneheaded that pisses people off simply because it is so stupid that people who make such rabid mistakes must be corrected, and you get to control the whole goddamn agenda in the newsgroup for a while."
14:31 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZD4ezDbbu4
14:31 assbot Bruce Springsteen - Born In The U.S.A. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vIN1pB )
14:33 mircea_popescu punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does << it acquires a blocking lock
14:33 mircea_popescu can't update OR READ the locked matter until released
14:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28841 @ 0.00040853 = 11.7824 BTC [+]
14:47 mircea_popescu assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions << yes very logical.
14:47 mircea_popescu france keeps at this there will be a permanent bounty on dead french statesmen, in Bitcoin. and eventually, a dead France.
14:51 mircea_popescu !up JimJamReid
14:52 JimJamReid Hi All, I am currently conducting interviews for my university research paper on using Bitcoin as an alternative to traditional currencies, would anyone be interested in participating?
14:53 mircea_popescu ask, don't ask to ask.
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15:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00041048 = 9.2768 BTC [+]
15:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14491 @ 0.00041048 = 5.9483 BTC [+]
15:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4059 @ 0.0004149 = 1.6841 BTC [+]
15:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37391 @ 0.0004184 = 15.6444 BTC [+] {2}
15:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4209 @ 0.00042115 = 1.7726 BTC [+]
15:28 mod6 A static build on debian 6 + v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl v1.0.1g failed: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P0Yt9c2U
15:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19fGpoo )
15:28 mod6 This might be a show-stopper, will for sure need to fix before release.
15:29 mircea_popescu o.O
15:31 mod6 Might need some help on these ones for sure.
15:32 trinque just looks like you need something in your library path
15:32 mircea_popescu "How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money. Money is a technology that destroys trust. Its entire purpose is to short-circuit human relationships in order to insert itself as a middleman. It makes everybody spend more money, at more emotional cost, for things that make us angry at each other. Don't offer to pay me. Seriously. If you offer me money, I will decline on principle."
15:32 mircea_popescu check out guy with a half notion of the problem, and a thoroughly broken nonsolution
15:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00042585 = 11.3915 BTC [+] {4}
15:34 trinque mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles
15:35 mod6 thanks trinque
15:43 thestringpuller mike_c: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << This is what sheer number of L2 users creates. Trying to modify users force but with default settings as you said it loses sight of L2, but that's cause sheer number of users in L2.
15:43 thestringpuller loses sight of differentiation from L1 -> L2
15:53 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/index_mp.html << version just for you :P
15:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49773 @ 0.00042736 = 21.271 BTC [+] {2}
15:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00041963 = 19.5128 BTC [-]
15:56 thestringpuller !gettrust assbot topace
15:56 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user topace: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/topace | http://w.b-a.link/user/topace
15:56 thestringpuller !gettrust assbot jgarzik
15:56 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/jgarzik | http://w.b-a.link/user/jgarzik
15:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00042795 = 4.3223 BTC [+]
16:01 thestringpuller yea assbot/wind 3
16:01 thestringpuller >:(
16:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16594 @ 0.00042795 = 7.1014 BTC [+]
16:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00040051 = 6.9288 BTC [-] {2}
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16:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12352 @ 0.00042795 = 5.286 BTC [+]
16:35 asciilifeform 'How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money....' << wai wat ??!
16:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: amex is retarded enough to actually allow this << allow what?
16:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform redirect to outside website.
16:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it doesn't...
16:38 mircea_popescu uh...
16:38 mircea_popescu how is this scam supposed to work then ?!
16:38 mircea_popescu (i confess didn't bother to click)
16:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: buggy spamatron
16:38 mircea_popescu roflmao
16:38 mircea_popescu mabe they had the hole and fixed it ?
16:39 mircea_popescu re the "you can't" derp : he spends about half the page trying to beg for donations. because hey, money is only dirty if you actually EARN it. otherwise's fine. http://maymay.net/#how-you-can-support-me
16:39 assbot Meitar "maymay" Moscovitz: The Information Age equivalent of Johnny Appleseed ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJ5yC9 )
16:39 mircea_popescu in any case, i guess he never heard of whats-her-face, the supposed cali "poet" that did essentially the same but in the 70s, and died recently in abject poverty.
16:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not impossible. amex spends a pretty penny on (what passes for) spam and crapware control.
16:40 mircea_popescu was discussed here, forgot her name. untalented as all shit, too;
16:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where do you even find these... i could have lived and died without ever knowing about this fella
16:45 danielpbarron i know a guy who lives just like that; out of his car, refusing to work for money but not against taking handouts
16:46 asciilifeform there are beggar-kings who earn more than any, e.g., programmer
16:46 mike_c thestringpuller: quite a hairball :)
16:46 mike_c asciilifeform: did you see the other day that stemming got turned off?
16:46 mike_c you were in the field.
16:47 asciilifeform aha, neato
16:48 mike_c it does seem to work now
16:48 asciilifeform speaking of which, someone asked which robotic vacuum cleaner it was that had decent software. it was the one made by 'neato robotics co.'
16:50 danielpbarron wtf the dude has bigger tits than the hentai chick at the top of his page.. or is that also supposed to be a dude??
16:50 asciilifeform cthonian horror
17:00 thestringpuller mike_c: I don't know how one would do Reingold-Tilford that has multiple dependencies
17:04 asciilifeform re: the question of ripping out 'boost': not happening short of a total rewrite. it's used for virtually all iteration constructs, heterogeneous data structures, and 100 other things in the turd.
17:05 asciilifeform srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing. there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there.
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00042727 = 4.6786 BTC [-]
17:07 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i was wondering what was up with all the for loops trying to be python-like
17:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00042727 = 4.9777 BTC [-]
17:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i reach far!
17:21 mircea_popescu danielpbarron stop oppressing dragons with your self-unaware patriarchical gender stereotypes.
17:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there. << i for one am thankful it's not mostly javascript.
17:34 mircea_popescu if you think about it, riding on qt "for the gui" is not so different from riding on the browser.
17:34 mircea_popescu we should count outselves lucky satoshi didn't implement bitcoin prototype as a fucking greasemonkey script.
17:35 danielpbarron i don't think i've ever actually used the qt client
17:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37794 @ 0.00042374 = 16.0148 BTC [-] {4}
17:37 mircea_popescu mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops << technically speaking this is what's happening already.
17:37 mircea_popescu Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road! << a winner is you, srsly.
17:38 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that << nope.
17:38 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: it's a possibility though, right? << yeah, but from all i've seen it's a very remote one.
17:40 Adlai ?
17:41 mircea_popescu it's won, what. your dad will eventually get it.
17:43 Adlai well i imagine that when it happens, nobody will be able to not get it, because it'll happen rather happeningly
17:43 Adlai so "eventually" isn't good enough
17:44 mircea_popescu not your place to make ~that~ call.
17:45 mircea_popescu the part that actually is your place, is done. welcome to parenting!
17:45 mircea_popescu (it sucks)
17:45 Adlai it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time
17:46 mircea_popescu i guess so huh.
17:46 asciilifeform for what 'qt' does, there is no real alternative (other than 'wx', which is arguably even more of a cthonian horror in some ways)
17:47 mircea_popescu browser is an alternative.
17:47 asciilifeform now, did the thing -need- a cross-platfom gui? don't ask me, i've never used it...
17:47 mircea_popescu c code is cross-plantrofm.
17:48 asciilifeform gui, remember
17:48 mircea_popescu this is not the correct approach. make bitcoin, then let everyone make their own guis.
17:49 mircea_popescu people DID make their own miners.
17:56 asciilifeform lol, i still don't know why it needed the gui at all
17:56 mircea_popescu kinda same reason women need tits.
17:56 mircea_popescu not like they wouldn't work without em.
17:58 mircea_popescu ;;later tell rucoi fix your bouncer
17:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:59 asciilifeform if i could fork myself, i'd be severely tempted to: attempt an ada bitcoind.
18:00 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: re: could you imaginge if Gavin was magically replaced by ryanxcharles?
18:00 mircea_popescu i'd have thoughjt a cl bitcoind
18:00 mircea_popescu or for that matter a c bitcoind (as opposed to cpp)
18:02 thestringpuller the original qt uses MFC stuff
18:02 thestringpuller Satoshi sure did like windows.
18:03 mircea_popescu i suspect ti's a case very close to the ida situation asciilifeform was deploring last week
18:03 mircea_popescu we're so fucking lucky satoshi wasn't any good with code.
18:03 asciilifeform i suspect that mircea_popescu would actually like ada. not writing it, mind you, but seeing it written
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18:04 BingoBoingo !b 2
18:04 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MMH5KE.txt )
18:04 mircea_popescu i'm not entirely unfamiliar.
18:04 mircea_popescu !s ada from:mircea
18:04 assbot 1 results for 'ada from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+from%3Amircea
18:04 asciilifeform naggum's -other- lang. the only one other than cl that had not only a standard but a -rationale document- for every page
18:04 mircea_popescu hm.
18:04 mircea_popescu i thought i musta mentioned it
18:05 asciilifeform still used for genuinely safety-critical systems worldwide (virtually all jet engine controllers, etc.) - language from hell, required you to specify ranges for integers, and the like
18:05 mircea_popescu uh. what typed language doesn't ?!
18:05 asciilifeform i confess that i rather like it...
18:05 mircea_popescu going int blabla; says : blabla between 0 and 65535 or w/e
18:06 asciilifeform nononono - explicitly.
18:06 mircea_popescu listen, everything in a program is explicit. whethr the user is aware or not of this...
18:07 mircea_popescu no means yes. yes means anal. it's how computiong works.
18:07 asciilifeform as in 'this one is odd and between 3 and 15 and if it ever isn't, pump in the halon
18:07 mircea_popescu not that i disagree with the principle of making people verbalize the stuff they're abotu to do.
18:08 asciilifeform http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << examples
18:08 assbot Ada Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpq1LF )
18:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00042927 = 14.6381 BTC [+]
18:08 asciilifeform ugly, pascal-like, but extraordinarily well-specified and strict to the point of bdsm
18:09 mircea_popescu lol so yest someone hit trilema in what originally looked like a ddos, except... single ip ? ~1mn pageloads ?
18:09 mircea_popescu turns out it's http://anti-hacker-alliance.com/index.php?details=74.121.38.141
18:09 assbot The Anti Hacker Alliance fights against 74.121.38.141 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpqb5O )
18:10 mircea_popescu now wtf is "shutterfly"
18:10 mircea_popescu and wtf is "the anti hacker alliance"
18:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: apparently, a defunct (?) print house? - hacked box
18:11 mircea_popescu derps. world is full of derps.
18:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: while the latter appears to be an erzats 'spamhaus' ?
18:12 mircea_popescu oh, xrumer harvester.
18:12 mircea_popescu lmao idiots.
18:19 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaGvcAOcA_s << cuties.
18:19 assbot Ансамбль "Белое злато" - Казаченька молода - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D60h9X )
18:20 mircea_popescu they'd be a lot better if drunk imo.
18:24 TheNewDeal ;;Nethash
18:24 gribble 309409813.454
18:24 TheNewDeal Ewww
18:37 mircea_popescu http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ro/2011/10/adventures-in-depression.html << holy shit, this actually happens ?
18:37 assbot Hyperbole and a Half: Adventures in Depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpvMce )
18:44 thestringpuller can't wait to read on qntra one day: "Gavin Admits to Being USG Agent, Leaves Bitcoin Forever"
18:45 mircea_popescu qntra is about news, you're thinking more in terms of daytime tv drama.
18:46 mircea_popescu at this point i'm not even sure gavin jumping off the coq d'argent would qualify as bitcoin news.
18:51 mircea_popescu !up Stunna
18:56 mircea_popescu https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << look at that, for once qntra traffic graph is not thrown by some social media spike so you8 can actually see some pattern
18:56 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpzhiN )
19:00 cazalla feb is on track to be another record month
19:04 mircea_popescu o srsly ?
19:04 mircea_popescu coolness
19:05 * mircea_popescu makes a note that should anyone wish to "see studies" supporting the proposition of http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ (ie, that *EVERYTHING* published in English is junk, and to be discarded out of hand), I intend to use http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/10/jama_deludes.html
19:05 assbot How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpB87s )
19:05 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: What Political Propaganda Looks Like ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpB9s2 )
19:05 mircea_popescu absolutely perfect example of the pseudoscientific nature of American "science".
19:05 asciilifeform http://www.ada95.ch/index.php?page=morris << unrelated lulz
19:06 assbot Ada95.ch - morris ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpBeMc )
19:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform minor nitpick : all these people that never ever head foreman'd a construction yard shjould stfu about "tools". the tools used to build a skyscraper are, by and large, cheaper, more worn versions of the expensive DIY crap.
19:07 mircea_popescu exactly like how the rifles used to fight actual wars are nothing like the crazy-shit-stick-on-all-sides "amateur" rifles.
19:09 mircea_popescu and unrelatedly, http://pretendyoure.xyz
19:09 mircea_popescu shit it's dead.
19:10 mircea_popescu "4. if you have the intellectual and physical capacity to single-handedly deal with your program, it's a toy " <<< sheeit alf, what nao ?
19:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 145 @ 0.01199999 = 1.74 BTC [+]
19:20 BingoBoingo punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing.
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19:25 mike_c those qntra spikes are important though. 1% of the flash traffic sticks around and becomes regular reader
19:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00042605 = 7.6476 BTC [-]
19:29 mircea_popescu but the spikes are never 100x the averae traffic. usually 10-15x
19:29 mircea_popescu so using your numbers... they're actually unimportant.
19:31 mircea_popescu in other news, firefox spontaneously combusts unattended on a 4 day old system. and they call this software.
19:32 BingoBoingo !up whaack
19:32 mike_c RENT just passed one year
19:32 BingoBoingo whaack> can i have an up! por favor << He said please
19:32 whaack i did indeed
19:33 mike_c ben_vulpes: RENT is on big bull run
19:36 mircea_popescu !t h rent
19:36 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00935000 / 0.01054944 / 0.01200000 (2246 shares, 23.69404349 BTC), 7D: 0.00851001 / 0.01030218 / 0.01200000 (2730 shares, 28.12494993 BTC), 30D: 0.00505000 / 0.00827112 / 0.01200000 (7238 shares, 59.86634509 BTC)
19:36 mircea_popescu what was it back around 700 usd/ btc ? like 3 ish ?
19:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2985 @ 0.00075004 = 2.2389 BTC [-] {7}
19:37 mike_c floated around 0045 for a long time
19:37 whaack how / where can I find more bitcoin stock markets like MPex?
19:37 mike_c nowhere
19:37 whaack no smaller ones?
19:39 BingoBoingo not if you are comparing like things
19:40 mike_c try this one: https://btct.co/
19:40 assbot BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpWm6H )
19:41 kakobrekla > They were called Virtual Currencies, now many prefer to call them Digital Currency or Crypto Currency.
19:41 kakobrekla lol
19:41 kakobrekla helluva argument
19:42 mike_c "The site broke new ground for security in the space, integrating Yubikey and Google Authenticator"
19:43 whaack lmfao
19:43 mike_c !gettrust assbot burnside
19:43 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user burnside: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/burnside | http://w.b-a.link/user/burnside
19:44 kakobrekla whaack https://bitfunder.com < also still up
19:44 assbot BitFunder.Com - Join the crowd, every BIT helps! ... ( http://bit.ly/1yz3Fm9 )
19:46 mircea_popescu and of course once that crashes it brings down the networking stack, which on ubuntu can NOT actually be restarted, mostly because it fucks up dbus and everything else.
19:46 mircea_popescu in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu.
19:47 whaack how many people in here have read the bitcoin core code? would anyone here consider to know it well?
19:47 mircea_popescu !isup glbse.com
19:48 BingoBoingo whaack: I had to chop mine up these past few days. It's C++ you search the text and nuke shit that you dun like.
19:50 mircea_popescu whaack do yourselv a favour and read the logs for an actual result, rather than !imperative all over the place and a) not get anything except for b) marking yourself for termination.
19:50 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu. << It's a twin story. Pain and Dis-Able
19:51 mircea_popescu there still is no substitute for homework. "socializing" not only fails to substitute, but actually has serious counterindications.
19:51 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo heh i guess itis.
19:52 whaack fair enough
19:54 BingoBoingo Dis-Able was first born. Disable spend many years in the shadows ruining sound and making daemon no one wanted. Pain came into the world with a bang out of Africa, promised ease at the cost of nothing working as expectabru. Two years ago they each decided to play the other's part and now systemd is loud while ubuntu silent becomes the quiet daemon that breaks apps in the background.
19:55 mircea_popescu you should go into impressionism, this is chilling.
19:57 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/10/how_to_get_rich_in_psychiatry.html << there's little quite as endearing as the misty excitement of a noob stockpicker.
19:57 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: How To Get Rich In Psychiatry (update on stocks) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpY4oC )
20:10 BingoBoingo n00b stockpicker me from freshman year of college really should have held those Sun shares through to the buyout instead of playing the hi-lo game
20:11 mircea_popescu nene
20:12 BingoBoingo I bought at $3.80-ish Oracle bought at $16 ish
20:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ...sheeit alf, what nao << not my fault if the poor sod contracted 'brainwater' and can't hold systems in his head
20:13 mircea_popescu lol
20:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: brings down the networking stack... fucks up dbus and everything else... nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now << you will find that the ubuntu 'stack' that can 'go down' consists almost wholly of poetteringisms
20:14 asciilifeform 'dbus' is unofficially but quite thoroughly a poetteringism, for instance
20:14 asciilifeform other observation is that 'ubuntu' (with the above atrocities and many others) is no more 'linux' than wintel 'is what a computer is'
20:15 mircea_popescu which is why i said.
20:15 mircea_popescu it's like syphilis patient getting really excited about a phase 3 lesion on his nose.
20:16 mircea_popescu dude... srsly missed the boat on that whole health thing.
20:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what possessed you to set up the experiment described earlier?
20:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7523 @ 0.00042605 = 3.2052 BTC [-]
20:16 mircea_popescu not my machine.
20:16 mircea_popescu "hey mp, wtf happened to my laptop ?"
20:17 mircea_popescu what am i going to do now, corner time on knees ?
20:18 mircea_popescu not about to do that. girl's 19, and more importantly ITS REALLY NOT HER GOD DAMNED FAULT.
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20:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gurl enlisted with ubuntu machine? or forcibly deloused of winblows upon induction ?
20:36 mircea_popescu latter.
20:36 asciilifeform aha, guessed as much.
20:37 mircea_popescu not precisely inducted either. it's a process.
20:39 mircea_popescu 27.153.187.242 - - [13/Feb/2015:17:04:50 -0500] "GET /2013/what-is-art/%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22 HTTP/1.1" 404 28932 "http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)"
20:39 mircea_popescu for my curiosity, what is this supposed to even be ? like a sql injection ?
20:44 BingoBoingo That would be my guess
20:47 mircea_popescu and what, "enough" similar magic units to "do the job" ? looks like people try to hack like psychs try to medicate.
20:47 mircea_popescu "hey, --\" didn't do anything on it's own, but what if you add another ?!?!
20:50 BingoBoingo Could also be they might have been trying to trigger a resource intensive search?
20:52 mircea_popescu mebbe i guess.
20:52 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/7be0f7b7783c8a86fc50a08c5cf2ca70/tumblr_ne2ak2Mm1u1tatbbfo1_400.gif
20:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzgzRi )
20:53 BingoBoingo I'm just watching the blocks sync and thinking to the history I and verifying as it passed. Solidly in the S.Dice era nao
20:53 mircea_popescu it's fascinating innit!
20:54 BingoBoingo It's soothing.
20:55 BingoBoingo After smashing my head these past few days through the painful part of the learing process... The software is now working for me instead of I for it.
20:55 mircea_popescu "A similar example is the often cited myth that diagnosis of bipolar disorder is frequently missed. A survey found that 69% of patients were actually misdiagnosed, most often as having regular depression. An average of 4 physicians were consulted “prior to receiving the correct diagnosis.” But who is to say what is the correct diagnosis, when the diagnosis is based on vague and overlapping descriptions (and not
20:55 mircea_popescu on objective pathology?) You can look at this the other way, and say only 1 out of 5 psychiatrists felt it was bipolar disorder, while the other 80% thought it was depression. So it pays to have the last word. Bipolar disorder is “frequently missed” not because it exists and doctors miss it, but because it is defined in a way which allows it, by 80% of doctors, to be legitimately called something else. The onl
20:55 mircea_popescu y way to say the diagnosis was correct or incorrect, in the absence of objective pathology, is to say that the treatment they received for “bipolar disorder” from the fifth doctor was better (read: safer or more efficacious) than the treatment they received from the first four. This is not evident. "
20:55 mircea_popescu fucking gold, this.
20:56 mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is EXACTLY the mechanism through which "80% of rapes are unreported".
20:57 mircea_popescu out of five women that weren't raped, only one runs into idiots spouting insane troll logic that convinces her she retroactively was.
20:58 BingoBoingo Re: bipolar - no one complains about feeling manic until the police get involved. Plenty of people spend lots of money of coffee and bolivian marching poweder trying to come close.
20:58 asciilifeform ^
20:58 mircea_popescu which, by proxy, is in point of fact a measure of the social influence / discoursive relevance of the insane trolls in question, and so yes it is a legitimate measure for them to target.
20:59 asciilifeform just like it's not priapism till the fun is over and gangrene starts
20:59 mircea_popescu but this from a machiavellian "how do we become more powerful" troll logic perspective, and spcifically not from a "helping raped women" or "helpiong women" perspective.
21:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo actually in functional family arrangements manic episodes are usually the modern parlance equivalent of what used to be "senile aggitation", ie, granpa keeps grabbing jane's ass.
21:00 mircea_popescu -> thorazine.
21:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i think BingoBoingo was referring to the american usage - artist (or compulsive bathroom cleaner, see the old 'meth' thread) who stays awake for two weeks straight on 'manic episode' etc
21:01 BingoBoingo ^ That definition
21:01 mircea_popescu oh
21:02 asciilifeform except he is didn't need to take the dope
21:02 BingoBoingo American clinical definition
21:02 mircea_popescu that's not what mania is, clinically, is it ?!
21:02 mircea_popescu jesus that place is nuts.
21:02 asciilifeform iirc dsm4,5 - yes
21:03 mircea_popescu if anyone told engel that they can have manic episodes lasting over 24 hours now he'd have caned them.
21:03 BingoBoingo dsm 3,4,5
21:03 BingoBoingo probably earlier
21:03 mircea_popescu (the psych, not the anarchist)
21:05 BingoBoingo What can I say, the brokeness of English systemically effect domains people purport to be actual
21:06 BingoBoingo 208378, took much of the off because I wasn't there to restart it while sleeping.
21:06 asciilifeform what is BingoBoingo running, again ?
21:06 mircea_popescu i think if i close my eyes and push on them really really hard i can almost sorta see the logic of this transformation.
21:06 * asciilifeform was off in meatspace with people, missed quite a bit
21:06 mircea_popescu it's brainwater.
21:07 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 0.7.2 -qt on OpenBSD with some 0.5.3.1 patches applied as they can be (i.e. scrolling reading and fingers rather than patch utility)
21:07 asciilifeform neato
21:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Executable was finally birthed this morning
21:08 asciilifeform but why 0.7.2 ?
21:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: To see if it can be done. And what is the latest that still takes more of the sane patches. (entire leveldb series is out because making that build would be too much hell)
21:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that probably is the latest, yes.
21:09 BingoBoingo -qt just so there's more flags and libs to play with to plumb te differences between the platforms
21:09 asciilifeform unrelated,
21:10 asciilifeform https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13233 << picture the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive trabambourghini
21:10 assbot FLiR Dev Kit - KIT-13233 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzjSI2 )
21:11 asciilifeform ^ microbolometer. http://www.pureengineering.com/projects/lepton << original vendor
21:11 assbot Lepton - PureEngineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzk8GV )
21:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Build did not require the OSsuX ifdefs, but had to kill one linux ifdef and switch a boost lib called for another.
21:12 BingoBoingo Beast utilizes both CPU cores
21:17 BingoBoingo So far all crashes have come from malloc enforcing limits on its memory usage (512 MB by default) now giving it a go with moar ram.
21:17 asciilifeform ^ wai wat, BingoBoingo has a custom malloc() replacement ?
21:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No OpenBSD has this stuff built in. Changing process Ram limits happens in login.conf
21:18 BingoBoingo I just changed a line
21:18 asciilifeform ah ordinary quota.
21:18 BingoBoingo I dunno why I've been keeping the BSD stuff to toy and appliance uses for so long.
21:19 * asciilifeform had a freebsd desktop for many years
21:19 BingoBoingo Next to social engineering inertia has to be the second biggest threat out there.
21:20 BingoBoingo I'm loving everything off by default and useful manpages.
21:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: everything off by default << not quite true. try building 'xorg' followed by 'emacs' and see end up with dbus, other horrors
21:21 asciilifeform ^ assuming this was a recent openbsd
21:22 BingoBoingo 5.6
21:22 asciilifeform ^ was the one where i observed this
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00042639 = 4.6477 BTC [+]
21:23 BingoBoingo I'm leting DBUS live for now, doesn't seem to do much other than die a lot
21:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it lets in various 'fun' like letting everything running on machine send arbitrary commands to virtually any gtk app (e.g., 'xchat')
21:24 BingoBoingo From what I understand commercial shop Mtier which does a lot of their ports does "OpenBSD with Gnome and support contracts" as golden toilet product.
21:24 BingoBoingo Ah
21:26 BingoBoingo !up rucoi
21:26 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am liking though that the xserver is not running as root
21:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive >> uh what, predict ovulation ?
21:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: target selector ?
21:35 mircea_popescu hm ?
21:35 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#634660 << related
21:35 assbot Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.
21:36 mircea_popescu ...
21:37 * asciilifeform is out of his depth, does not know if wunderwaffen based on arousal monitoring via far ir thermovisor is a plausible thing
21:37 mircea_popescu well... in the sense bitcoind debugging via cpu ekg is a viable strategy.
21:37 asciilifeform presumably would be used for selection narrowing in target-rich environment
21:38 mircea_popescu if you think you can beat the primate brain with your electonic contraptions i have a rule based expert system to sell you.
21:39 mircea_popescu you'll probably do pretty ok picking up the ecstasy-peaking chicks in a rave, i'll grant you that.
21:39 mircea_popescu whether they hear anything you're saying or not tho is up for debate.
21:39 asciilifeform this'd be more of a prosthetic version of some folks' ability to 'read body signs' of arousal/lack thereof
21:39 asciilifeform at short (sword) range
21:40 mircea_popescu temperature is a very poor variable tho. you'll just end up with a lot of flu.
21:40 asciilifeform not of whole body!
21:40 asciilifeform nobody needs that
21:40 mircea_popescu candida infections.
21:40 asciilifeform (except ebola scanner)
21:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually - precedent
21:40 asciilifeform for a short time in 1980s, liquid crystal thermo-indicator shirts were fashionable in usa
21:40 asciilifeform even pants
21:41 asciilifeform but were phased out, guess why
21:41 asciilifeform (and it had nothing to do with infections)
21:41 mircea_popescu they didn't work ?
21:41 asciilifeform nope, precisely the fact that -did- work..
21:42 mircea_popescu i dunno, leuco jewelry was more or less popular in ro, ever since the 80s
21:42 mircea_popescu it remains in use by basically the same demo : slightly insecure 16 yo chicks that'll go into psychology.
21:43 mircea_popescu maybe you're right and the deep reason is that it gives away more than peoplewant to.
21:43 asciilifeform http://www.blogadilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/hypercolor-products.jpg
21:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/173Xwbq )
21:44 mircea_popescu lol. the sign of a healthy nubile female.
21:44 asciilifeform ^ took surprisingly long to dredge up
21:44 mircea_popescu her cunt's always warm
21:44 asciilifeform always warm << one would presumably be looking for the deltas.
21:44 asciilifeform rather than absolute value
21:45 Bet placed: 1.05761 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.93457636 BTC. Current weight: 55,392.
21:45 asciilifeform now, mircea_popescu does not need this instrument, eagle does not need a glider
21:45 asciilifeform but some folks might find a use.
21:45 mircea_popescu well, so who does ? the snail ?
21:45 mircea_popescu snail with glider just set itserlf up for trauimatic failure.
21:46 asciilifeform 'if man was meant to fly... given wings' - ?
21:46 mircea_popescu not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars"
21:47 asciilifeform lol
21:47 mircea_popescu let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. so you pick a target this way, and somehow it works out and now it's morning and she's in bed.
21:47 mircea_popescu do you skip to where the machine got abandoned and read her again ?
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21:48 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars" << Nah, he'd just make the credit officer in the cage a bit wet on the brain
21:48 mircea_popescu if you end up in a divorce ten years later, do you take the machine to court ?
21:48 asciilifeform actually i suspect that the fun would stop very soon after strapping on (presumably it would have to be worn at waist level! disguised as a fly button?!)
21:48 mircea_popescu see, this is setting yourself up for failure.
21:48 asciilifeform walk into $targetrichenvironment and discover soon - no targets
21:48 mircea_popescu if i had this machinery, you know how i'd use it ?
21:48 mircea_popescu ID SHOW IT TO THE WOMAN
21:48 asciilifeform not for $user at least
21:48 mircea_popescu why the fuck disguise it. the mentality that cunt's the enemy is principally what keeps geeks in an onansitic state.
21:49 asciilifeform SHOW IT TO THE WOMAN << lol, mircea_popescu must have spoken with asciilifeform's $pet re: how they met
21:49 mircea_popescu you go like, "Hey, guess why I'm talking to you ?"
21:49 mircea_popescu lol ?
21:49 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. << I PREDICTED!
21:49 mircea_popescu now let's hear it.
21:50 * asciilifeform did not actually carry out this experiment! but was setting up for a variation on the theme, and this got out in his social circle
21:52 * asciilifeform suffers from a peculiarly obscene perversion: has a hard time taking an interest in gurlz detectably stupider than him
21:52 * asciilifeform thus had many strange plans, as a young man, for how to narrow the set
21:52 mircea_popescu this is insanity. you want a girl that can be smart, not a girl that can't be stupid, for some arbitrary levels of either. just like you seek a horse that can run quickly, not a horse that is never still.
21:53 asciilifeform this is not an interesting story per se except in the form of advice to young folks like BingoBoingo - don't do it!
21:53 mircea_popescu bb is young ?!
21:53 asciilifeform iirc
21:53 BingoBoingo 27 or 28 years young
21:53 BingoBoingo Fuck 28
21:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how to tell if horse can-run-quickly without seeing it run ?
21:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, you can eliminate horse with missing leg
21:54 asciilifeform or one that's been shot
21:55 BingoBoingo https://imgur.com/cGqdtO3 << desktop atm
21:55 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1B99rSq )
21:55 asciilifeform but doesn't tell whether can run. only that isn't out of the race yet.
21:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ugh what is that
21:56 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: xfce, still cleansing/purging toolset
21:59 BingoBoingo Background is Memorial Union at Mizzou, built in the days every public uni campus in USia was built in memorian falen soldiers of the franz fredinand police action against germany
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22:16 thestringpuller mod6: it stopped responding to get_info or at least it looks like it's hanging
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22:33 thestringpuller damn this shit grinds to a halt as the blocks get bigger.
22:33 asciilifeform which 'this'
22:33 thestringpuller 0.5.3.1
22:34 thestringpuller with openssl 0.9something
22:34 thestringpuller Bitcoin 0.5.3.1***
22:34 asciilifeform classical or orphanage-burning ?
22:34 thestringpuller i don't grok :(
22:34 asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html
22:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D )
22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7375 @ 0.00042782 = 3.1552 BTC [+] {2}
22:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5625 @ 0.00043311 = 2.4362 BTC [+]
22:41 * BingoBoingo not burning bastards, also has not come the slightest bit close to the old RAM limit since implementing new one.
22:43 thestringpuller asciilifeform: its classic
22:43 thestringpuller i used mod6 's script to do download/compilation
22:44 * asciilifeform is not at all interested in running infinitely-memcancerous bitcoind nor can recommend it to others. but also cannot recommend the experimental patch.
22:44 * asciilifeform will show the next attempt at a proper fix reasonably soon.
22:44 cazalla incase scoopbot isn't working http://qntra.net/2015/02/excoin-exchange-to-shut-down-amid-claims-of-theft/
22:44 assbot Excoin Exchange To Shut Down Amid Claims Of Theft | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyATYG )
22:47 asciilifeform 'The altcoin exchange Excoin has announced that it will soon shut down after alleging that an attacker was able to withdraw all the bitcoins from the exchange. With a trading engine written in Go, Excoin launched what was predominantly a Blackcoin exchange...' << in other news, some animal stole the heap of shit a fox deposited in my yard.
22:47 asciilifeform or wait, they had btc too ?
22:48 cazalla along with some shitty altcoins
22:48 asciilifeform '...featured a proof of reserve page which reassured members...' << how does a www page 'prove reserve' ?
22:48 asciilifeform should we even ask.
22:48 cazalla their claims, not mine!
22:48 asciilifeform just astonishing that 2011 never ends
22:50 BingoBoingo !up herbijudlestoids
22:50 Adlai "We noticed the hot wallets dwindling but assuming it was members moving their funds off site during the DDOS, we loaded all the cold balances onto the site so that users would not have withdrawals interrupted during our periods of up time."
22:51 * Adlai despairs of ever writing fiction... the truth beats anything he can dream up himself
22:51 mircea_popescu oooo!
22:52 mircea_popescu "Remember how in May, 2005, the American Psychiatric Association endorsed same sex marriage? And you applauded the moral fortitude and progressive instinct of this august body? Well, instead of debating whether there should or should not be same-sex marriage, perhaps we should ask what modern psychiatry could possibly contribute to this discussion. The answer is nothing.
22:52 mircea_popescu You can't get away with pat answers, such as psychiatrists see the psychiatric ramifications of discrimination or being unable to marry. There are psychiatric ramifications of bankruptcy, and war, but no one felt compelled to write a policy statement on it (and thank God.)
22:52 mircea_popescu And no, there isn't a difference between bankruptcy and gay marriage-- not to psychiatry. That's the point. These are social problems about which modern psychiatry is definitionally ignorant. The APA did not endorse polygamy. What's the difference? If homosexuality is not a psychiatric disorder, than there is no more reason to be more for or against it than there is for any other kind of marriage. The APA is no better
22:52 mircea_popescu suited to answering these questions than, say, the NFL.
22:52 mircea_popescu What if the NFL came out against antidepressants in children? This is a perfectly valid analogy, because neither the NFL nor psychiatry have special knowledge that make their statements anything more than opinions. What do psychiatrists know about same-sex marriage that the quarterback for the Patriots doesn’t? Don’t laugh—I’m serious. What’s the answer?
22:52 mircea_popescu Medicine, or the APA, can legitimately express a policy only if the policy was grounded in science or logic. Perhaps the APA cares to release this intriguing scientific data? (While it is at it, perhaps it can also release the data supporting the use of half of the medications currently favored by APA Guidelines?) But this seems pretty much business as usual for the APA. Rather than work on its own serious failings,
22:52 mircea_popescu it involves itself in social policy."
22:52 mircea_popescu best.quote.ever.
22:52 mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is why no us pseudoscientific body can be taken seriously to any purpose. especially not to the purpose it supposedly serves.
22:52 mircea_popescu this includes the IETF as well as it includes the AMA.
22:54 mircea_popescu can't be arsed to fix the thing, can be arsed to ban evade. very fucking smart.
22:56 BingoBoingo bitcoin-qt is seriously just chilling now. was getting killed by malloc every half hour and now isn't even touching the line that killed it earlier.
22:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sad thing is, idiots denied apa/ietf/international association of bloodletting & phlogiston - will reinvent them..
22:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the "trading" fo shitty altcoins for inexisting bitcoin is the most important part of the altcoin pumping scams.
22:57 mircea_popescu wow herbijudlestoids in da house ?
22:58 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You actually here?
22:58 BingoBoingo I saw his join, but he's quiet if he's here
22:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not particularly sad. the point ios for us to know syphilitic whore is syphilitic, not for her to not get laid anymore.
22:58 mircea_popescu this isn't about "every fuckhead's precious"
22:59 mircea_popescu this is about me going "gtfo" to tim swanson while he derps about how "normal debates work".
22:59 herbijudlestoids im here
22:59 herbijudlestoids huelolelo
22:59 asciilifeform thought this was about annihilated scientific fields
22:59 asciilifeform or stillborn ones
23:00 mircea_popescu hey
23:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but in the wot, not in the world.
23:00 mircea_popescu the world can rot.
23:00 herbijudlestoids hows everyone
23:01 mircea_popescu great.
23:01 herbijudlestoids i came to check yall behaving
23:01 mircea_popescu did your burn rate finally catch up with the funding ?
23:01 herbijudlestoids nope, we are doin really well
23:01 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: It's been how long now, a year almost since your last visit?
23:01 herbijudlestoids and, not funding :), actual paying customers
23:01 mircea_popescu o.O impossibri
23:01 asciilifeform what does herbijudlestoids sell, again?
23:01 herbijudlestoids clouds
23:02 asciilifeform ?
23:02 herbijudlestoids openstack based IaaS clouds
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23:02 asciilifeform aha timesharing
23:02 herbijudlestoids ye
23:02 BingoBoingo !b 3
23:02 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F1P1B4.txt )
23:03 herbijudlestoids we doin good
23:03 herbijudlestoids its very stressful
23:03 herbijudlestoids i work a lot :(
23:03 mircea_popescu i don't get it, there's literally an ocean of providers of this stuff.
23:03 mircea_popescu you telling me you can actually eke a living in such a market ?
23:03 decimation digital ocean?
23:04 herbijudlestoids yup, we offer expertise for big providers
23:04 mircea_popescu decimation on top of that lol
23:04 herbijudlestoids we dont compete in the race to bottom
23:04 herbijudlestoids so there is no herbicloud
23:04 mircea_popescu this is a noble goal, but a little like pron studios claiming the same.
23:04 mircea_popescu not up to you.
23:04 decimation asciilifeform: did you see my link about continued sparc production
23:04 Namworld Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore?
23:04 mircea_popescu Namworld assbot forket wot.
23:04 herbijudlestoids the big providers pay us lots of money to make their clouds gud
23:04 mircea_popescu it's a much better implementation anyway
23:04 asciilifeform decimation: 7000 sold/yr is not 'continued production' on the planet i live in
23:04 herbijudlestoids because, it seems, most people not good at it
23:05 asciilifeform decimation: it's inventory liquidation
23:05 decimation asciilifeform: aye, it's highly amusing
23:05 herbijudlestoids turns out large scale distributed systems are hard
23:05 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids that part i can see. so more like ops consulting for iaas ppl ?
23:05 decimation no, they claim to still be doing r&d
23:05 decimation apparently they have some chip with 16 cores at 8 'threads' each
23:05 asciilifeform decimation: they can claim whatever they like
23:05 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: yeah. but we also develop IP as we go around that ops stuff
23:05 mircea_popescu aha.
23:05 herbijudlestoids deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc
23:05 asciilifeform decimation: calculate what each unit would have to cost, approximately, for the vendor to stand any chance of breaking even
23:05 herbijudlestoids we r pretty gud
23:06 mircea_popescu yeah, so what's the plan, sell to microshit for 100mn in a year or two once they decide to beef up that biz ?
23:06 decimation asciilifeform: yeah and then compare to similar pile of arm chips
23:06 herbijudlestoids im in charge of ops, but my counterpart is in charge of the dev stuff
23:06 herbijudlestoids actually, in one sense it is *TOO* big, and i got tired of working on it all day, so for hobby i now admin my own freebsd server with jails
23:06 herbijudlestoids just like the gud old days
23:06 decimation asciilifeform: the only possibility is that usg is buying vanity products
23:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00042605 = 7.5159 BTC [-]
23:07 asciilifeform decimation: there was a scandal that broke not long ago, where it came out that usg is single-handedly keeping a number of fabs (mostly rad-hard stuff) in business
23:07 asciilifeform decimation: their competitors are now whining, 'we want too!111!!!11'
23:07 decimation that's actually suspiciously smart
23:07 decimation of course they are
23:07 BingoBoingo <Namworld> Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore? << Gribble was down too long and nanotube's vacation was long enough for people to worry about abduction
23:08 decimation the problem with keeping things alive on bezzlars is that there's always a runt who will squeal if not on the tit
23:08 asciilifeform decimation: you can probably guess that they didn't do it because 'smart', but because eternal contracts signed, likely, five or six presidents ago
23:08 Namworld okay
23:08 decimation asciilifeform: well, some elder thought it was smart
23:09 mircea_popescu Namworld http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
23:09 assbot irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij )
23:09 herbijudlestoids so.
23:09 herbijudlestoids tell me guise.
23:09 asciilifeform phun phact: radhard ic is quite arguably obsolete - similar effect can be had using tandems
23:09 herbijudlestoids wut happen?
23:09 asciilifeform but this is a hatephact
23:09 BingoBoingo Also with lead box
23:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: who pays for launching the lead ?
23:09 decimation asciilifeform: well, there are loads of silly-con valley satellite 'startups' that are launching plain arm chips into leo
23:10 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids tons of things. qntra.net took over the business of bitcoin news. gavin has been shot in the head, foundation's over, bitcoin "development" past 0.5.x is being considered for deletion
23:10 herbijudlestoids TFW the USD spazzes out and causes bitcoin to drop from >1000 to <150
23:10 asciilifeform decimation: difference is that those ^ don't actually need to work
23:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Toilet pays. If volume and not weight is the concern though Osmium box.
23:10 decimation but leo is child's play compared to van allen belts & beyond
23:10 asciilifeform decimation: the orbital nukes - do.
23:10 decimation asciilifeform: aye
23:10 herbijudlestoids yea i did read some rants from you on trilema about that mircea_popescu
23:11 herbijudlestoids i dunno what qntra is
23:11 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: If you want to play around with the foundation's 0.5.3.1 builds on FreeBSD they'd probably welcome it
23:11 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
23:11 assbot There is nothing new in the world. Except for the history you didn't know. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyFWIv )
23:12 herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: how stupid large is the blockchain right now? a billion gigabytes?
23:12 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: In the 30GB's
23:12 decimation asciilifeform: it kind of surprised me that usg allowed ibm to sell their fab actually
23:12 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You have jails you can build variations and see if they sync
23:12 asciilifeform decimation: hence you can infer - real owner has not changed.
23:12 asciilifeform decimation: could not change.
23:13 decimation aye
23:13 herbijudlestoids yeah, being QA for the bitcoin foundation sounds fun...
23:13 * herbijudlestoids gets right on that :/
23:13 mircea_popescu decimation if you review the us foreign policy, it can't escape your notice that the us is playing exactly the role of one of the classical woman in love : will pretend like she's a priss to all comers, except there's one she will literally eat the shit from.
23:13 decimation I'm sure that there were 'conditions' on the 'sale' (what do you call it when you give money to someone in exchange for impoverishing you?
23:13 mircea_popescu his name's china, and the us can't even mention what he asks of her. let alone consider what to say.
23:13 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ben_vulpes and mod6 run the thing
23:13 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur )
23:14 herbijudlestoids oh, is this the fork foundation?
23:14 BingoBoingo Yeah
23:14 mircea_popescu no, this is the nonfork foundation.
23:14 herbijudlestoids confusing
23:14 asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: this is the actual foundation
23:14 mircea_popescu there's also a scam foundation, but w/e.
23:14 herbijudlestoids lol right in -assets land
23:14 herbijudlestoids yeah
23:14 asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: there is also a phoundation pushing crock'o'shit
23:14 asciilifeform aha
23:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu inb4
23:14 mircea_popescu lol
23:15 decimation mircea_popescu: perhaps usg is desperate for china to become big enough so that usg can surrender to it
23:15 mircea_popescu but i mean this quite literally. scam foundation tried to push a bitcoin fork.
23:15 mircea_popescu which attempt failed.
23:15 thestringpuller they are still pushing that fork on some level
23:15 BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I dare you to try a makefile for 0.9.3 on FreeBSD that doesn't lean on the linux emulation layer
23:15 thestringpuller trying to push upgrades
23:15 mircea_popescu decimation i think it's just perverse masochism. self hating liberal white people finally found an empire of nationalistic chinese froggies that despise foreigners.
23:15 mircea_popescu match made in heaven.
23:16 asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: the basic idea, if i dare suggest that there is one, is a pedigreed 0.5.3 and a sequence of man-readable patches, signed by folks known to one another.
23:16 herbijudlestoids 0.5.3 being the last version that -assets finds acceptable?
23:16 decimation mircea_popescu: maybe if we give them everything they will accept our love?
23:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted
23:16 mircea_popescu i think it was more like the first. 6.something prolly.
23:17 mircea_popescu decimation that'd be cvounterproductive. more like, give everything, maybe then they'll finally take out the whip.
23:17 herbijudlestoids hey you guys know i had an idea
23:17 herbijudlestoids for a quick-and-dirty-cardano
23:17 herbijudlestoids or whatever that thing was called
23:17 asciilifeform a brick on a rope.
23:17 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted << Indeed shit just doesn't work there as pete_dush discovered
23:17 asciilifeform very quick
23:17 asciilifeform dirty if you drag it on the ground first
23:17 asciilifeform we already had herbijudlestoids's idea, see.
23:18 mircea_popescu lolwut
23:18 herbijudlestoids odroid + touchscreen + linux + seahorse
23:18 asciilifeform how about a vax and a vt100.
23:18 asciilifeform why even.
23:18 * asciilifeform head-desks
23:18 herbijudlestoids the benefit of this is that you can encrypt messages too
23:18 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids there's tons of quick and dirty cardanos out there already.
23:18 mircea_popescu the point of this place is cleanliness.
23:18 BingoBoingo Can encrypt from anything. Decrypt and signing are the hard problems
23:19 decimation asciilifeform: it would be amusing if someone were to make an electro-mechanical RSA machine
23:19 decimation like the enigma & "tunny" machines
23:19 asciilifeform decimation: laugh, but i actually considered this.
23:19 asciilifeform decimation: also considered the nearly equally impractical ttl logic variant.
23:19 herbijudlestoids i mean, this device, it can handle decrypt/sign in the same way as cardano, but also add the ability for the user to write and encrypt a message with their key using the touchscreen
23:19 decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_cipher < tunny
23:19 assbot Lorenz cipher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsI9iE )
23:19 herbijudlestoids nvm :)
23:20 BingoBoingo Encrypt merely requires pub key.
23:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if nubbins` weren't such a noob, he'd have laser etched a mechanical rsa by now
23:20 BingoBoingo Encrypt from dirty machine and burn it until cleansed
23:20 decimation yeah it would be very difficult to implement without some kind of state machine
23:20 asciilifeform decimation: vernam (otp, xor) is trivial - mechanically or otherwise
23:20 asciilifeform !up herbijudlestoids
23:20 herbijudlestoids lol :(
23:20 herbijudlestoids assbot hate me
23:21 decimation asciilifeform: aye, that would have its uses too
23:21 herbijudlestoids the thing that worries me about the cardano is upgrades
23:21 herbijudlestoids what if i want to patch it
23:21 * asciilifeform wishes he had a bitcent for every 'here's how you can make a quick cardano' letter
23:21 herbijudlestoids or whatever
23:21 decimation why on earth would it need to be upgraded?
23:21 asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ?
23:21 herbijudlestoids to add support for new ciphers or something? i dunno
23:22 mircea_popescu you don't patch it, you burn it and get a new one.
23:22 herbijudlestoids if its software based i could theoretically use the same device to interact with other encryption toolsets like nacl or whatever
23:22 asciilifeform ^
23:22 decimation re: china > https://tiananmenstremendousachievements.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/china-destroyed-control-chip-of-japanese-spy-satellite-with-secret-weapon/ < lulzy translated chinese military propaganda blog
23:22 assbot China Destroyed Control Chip of Japanese Spy Satellite with Secret Weapon | Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyHSAS )
23:22 asciilifeform burn, new
23:22 asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: if 'software-based' is what you want, i don't get it, you already own a computer ?
23:23 asciilifeform why even interested in the subject then
23:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform> herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ? << Don't remember if I did this or not.
23:23 herbijudlestoids i want it to be software based, but handheld battery powered, airgapped, single function, etc
23:23 mircea_popescu so buy a laptop
23:23 asciilifeform laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc
23:24 herbijudlestoids yeah, im just proposing exactly that except with smaller formfactor hardware and a GUI shell that just runs seahorse or whatever
23:24 mircea_popescu 10 yo laptops are basically the value of the rare metals in them. 20 bux.
23:24 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2013#415970
23:24 assbot Logged on 10-12-2013 19:28:23; asciilifeform: what you're probably thinking of (or what you will think of, if you think long enough) is: secure terminal. complete with keyboard and display.
23:24 herbijudlestoids or you could buy a brand new odroid for $35
23:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform> laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc << Sharp Zarus
23:25 mircea_popescu or that.
23:25 asciilifeform ^ no proper rng in any of the machines discussed here
23:25 mircea_popescu if you can trust their closed stack turd.
23:25 asciilifeform and ^
23:26 asciilifeform decimation: let's play with the satellite thing
23:26 decimation herbijudlestoids: if you read the logs, you discover several explanations for why what you desire doesn't exist
23:26 asciilifeform decimation: service ceiling of the j20 is, according strictly to rumour, 18km.
23:26 herbijudlestoids well, some of the odroids i know have a hw RNG, but i dont know how adequate it is
23:26 asciilifeform decimation: let's assume that the thing was flying at the ceiling
23:27 asciilifeform let's also assume that the sat was in leo.
23:27 decimation yeah those seem reasonable
23:27 asciilifeform say, 160km.
23:28 decimation that's pretty low, but okay
23:28 mircea_popescu that was a lengthy intro for "let delta = 150km"
23:28 asciilifeform so, 142km between shooter and victim.
23:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: our usg readers may have some trouble with arithmetic, let's help'em
23:29 asciilifeform next, inverse-square law...
23:29 decimation well, I assumed that the 'electromagnetic pulse weapon Poacher One' was not mounted on the j-20 aircraft
23:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean, "the angular projection of a 10 metre target 150 km away" ?
23:30 asciilifeform aha
23:31 * BingoBoingo kinda wants a Mig-25
23:31 mircea_popescu ;;calc 3600 / (150000**2*3.1415)
23:31 gribble 5.09310838771e-08
23:31 mircea_popescu half a millionth.
23:31 asciilifeform decimation: true, i have no idea where it was (if existed)
23:31 asciilifeform assumed - on account of article - on plane.
23:31 mircea_popescu s/mil/bil/
23:32 decimation asciilifeform: yeah that would seem silly
23:32 asciilifeform decimation: why? because article claimed 'megawatt for minute'. if on ground, could carry on as long as you like at megawatt
23:32 decimation yeah, I assumed the power would be lulzy for aircraft
23:32 asciilifeform with mircea_popescu's genset trailer
23:32 mircea_popescu a.... megawatt ? rly ?
23:32 asciilifeform supercaps
23:32 mircea_popescu gtfo, do you have ANY IDEA what the air looks like around your megawatt continuous laser ?
23:33 mircea_popescu i can't be the only one that actually fired lasers.
23:33 asciilifeform rayleigh scattering, yes.
23:33 asciilifeform actually is the real limit to laser blaser.
23:33 asciilifeform *blaster
23:33 mircea_popescu how do the intended audience of these articles imagine stuff like plasma is made
23:34 mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Why_is_the_sky_blue.jpg
23:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyJuL1 )
23:34 mircea_popescu splendid illustration btw
23:35 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-12-2014#951698 << obligatory. old emp thread
23:35 assbot Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
23:35 mircea_popescu moreover, iuf you need 1mw to kill a sat chip you have serious mental issues.
23:36 mircea_popescu there's a monty python sketch about missile hunting mosquitoes.
23:36 asciilifeform satellites don't run away, either
23:36 * BingoBoingo imagines bowling with a MIG 25
23:36 mircea_popescu if this satellite is a ton of iron, a megawatt OVER A MINUTE will vaporize it.
23:36 asciilifeform megawatt where.
23:36 mircea_popescu it's 60mJ.
23:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform on it, supposdely.
23:36 asciilifeform lol
23:37 decimation nah if you want emp, you gotta nuke
23:37 asciilifeform yes, it was thrown in a crucible, sure
23:37 BingoBoingo Set up pins on a salt flat, attach 16lb ball to hardpoint. Fly and release
23:37 herbijudlestoids haha!
23:37 herbijudlestoids :D
23:38 BingoBoingo !up herbijudlestoids
23:38 herbijudlestoids hmm...
23:38 herbijudlestoids i identified with gribble still no voice love
23:39 mircea_popescu assbot. pm it !up
23:39 BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch
23:39 herbijudlestoids ah.
23:40 mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/25c76cb8b51370dbf92cd1254513184d/tumblr_n54bvj7uDa1tt28juo1_500.gif
23:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKv5z )
23:41 mod6 thestringpuller: did you get the error message I told you about in getinfo? [ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2015#1017438 ]
23:41 assbot Logged on 13-02-2015 15:33:22; mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
23:41 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.macrofab.net/ << supposedly will make dual layer board with ~50 parts for $57 in two weeks
23:41 assbot MacroFab, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKI8N )
23:41 asciilifeform decimation: qty = ?
23:41 decimation 1
23:41 mod6 if so, then yes, you hit the bad tx, and then you need to upgrade to openssl 1.0.1g to pass over it.
23:41 asciilifeform nre cost ?
23:41 decimation but it's not clear if that's marketing spin or not, haven't tried
23:42 decimation I guess it is rolled into the price of the whole thing
23:42 decimation if you use their small selection of 'house parts' they do not charge a 'labor' fee
23:42 asciilifeform ^ not terribly useful in my case
23:42 decimation no, not really
23:43 decimation I might give them a spin to see if they really exist
23:43 BingoBoingo http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060502/asp/frontpage/story_6171245.asp
23:43 assbot The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsKpGP )
23:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you are fond of that machine, you can download the mig25 manuals stack...
23:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Have one somewhere
23:48 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
23:49 decimation asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3w_EWgGQuk < teardown and explanation of how lecroy 100 ghz oscopes work
23:49 assbot Experiments and Teardown of the Teledyne LeCroy LabMaster 10-100zi 100GHz, 240GS/s Oscilloscope - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsL0bn )
23:50 asciilifeform decimation: lol, that thing rejects any 'eagle' board layout i offer it
23:50 Vexual Hi all, herbi.
23:50 asciilifeform decimation: iirc we did that scope here
23:50 asciilifeform !s lecroy
23:50 assbot 0 results for 'lecroy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lecroy
23:50 decimation no we did a spectrum analyzer
23:50 asciilifeform aha
23:50 decimation from agilent
23:50 decimation !s agilent
23:50 assbot 23 results for 'agilent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=agilent
23:51 decimation and it didn't do 100 ghz
23:51 asciilifeform gonna guess that it works the same way my chinese 200mHz one does
23:51 asciilifeform staggered adc
23:51 decimation that's special $1 mil bezzle
23:51 asciilifeform big phat deal, the cost of three tow trucks.
23:51 decimation asciilifeform: yes, but the real sauce is the sample-and-hold asic
23:51 Vexual ascii that snatch sniffer might work just as well without the batteries if you get the thing close enough.
23:51 asciilifeform not even clear to me that it's overpriced
23:52 asciilifeform Vexual: wai wat ?!
23:52 decimation the input coax is more-or-less directly attached to their custome asci
23:52 decimation asciilifeform: no it isn't really, how many do you think they sell? 10? 100?
23:52 BingoBoingo !b 5
23:52 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3CAM71A.txt )
23:53 decimation once you cross into > 10 GHz signals you start having to fork over real $$ for test equipment
23:54 herbijudlestoids hey vex
23:54 herbijudlestoids hey.
23:54 herbijudlestoids wasnt there some command you used to be able to run..
23:54 herbijudlestoids !fap
23:54 herbijudlestoids i dunno..something like that
23:54 herbijudlestoids for porn
23:54 herbijudlestoids i miss that.
23:55 mircea_popescu lol
23:56 mircea_popescu so it pleases me to report that virtually all links from tlp to various learned repositories of articles are dead.
23:56 mircea_popescu it's not been 10 years.
23:56 mircea_popescu the web is fucking useless.
23:57 herbijudlestoids yea wasnt vince cerf saying that as well recently?
23:57 herbijudlestoids and i read a great article on archive.org about similar issue
23:57 decimation mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2952020/Will-21st-century-lost-history-Father-internet-warns-digital-world-lead-black-hole-knowledge.html
23:57 assbot Print out your photos or risk losing them, warns Google boss | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyO8IK )
23:57 decimation "In centuries to come, future historians looking back on the current era could be confronted by a digital desert comparable with the dark ages - the post-Roman period in Western Europe about which relatively little is known because of the scarcity of written records. "
23:57 herbijudlestoids yeah
23:58 herbijudlestoids that one
23:58 mircea_popescu fucking ridoinculous.
23:58 decimation 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
23:58 mircea_popescu well, fuck the world, trilema will survive. i guess the idea being that "winners write history".
23:59 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids http://38.media.tumblr.com/4cc8da8a80bcc144e2b7a0a239b5e4f2/tumblr_mt63fprr6m1ssof6ro1_250.gif there you go
23:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyOtuZ )
23:59 mircea_popescu girl put her panties on correctly : over the garter.
23:59 herbijudlestoids mesmerising
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