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00:03 mircea_popescu i wonder how many unemplyable grads are filling online job applications while thinking "if only i had gotten 20k/50k/100k worth of bitcoin in 2010/2011/2012 instead of this stinking education toilet paper..."
00:03 douchebag Where is mpwp
00:03 trinque ah yeah, she gets cruel estimates of what her pizza money would be worth today all the time.
00:04 mircea_popescu what's she specialize in anyway, chaucer ?
00:05 mircea_popescu douchebag, http://thewhet.net/2018/04/mp-wp-genesis/
00:12 trinque much later and less interesting stuff, I think. she relates the experience as an expensive waste of time.
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00:30 mircea_popescu !!key diginet
00:30 deedbot Not registered.
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01:03 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815879 << also to note, you would have had to compromise my network (which, sure, possible) because the box you achieved RCE on is a dedicated public toilet box containing no privkeys of import. I use a proper airgapped machine for important stuff (ala http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/)
01:03 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 03:52 douchebag: trinque: also in theory, since I got RCE on lobbes bot, in theory I could have determined the balance of the bot if I decided to comprimise the system rather than proof of concept :^)
01:14 lobbes so, in theory, sure. But in practice you'd have to expend quite a bit of effort to find the gpg privkey in order to decrypt deedbot's challenge to determine the balance of that one deedbot wallet, which still isn't finding a flaw in deedbot, just good social engineering attack (e.g. picking a key off someone's person does not mean the lock the key belongs to is flawed)
01:26 douchebag I could have got a reverse shell on the box though, is the gpg privkey for the bot not sitting on the vulnerable machine?
01:27 mircea_popescu dude, discussions of could have are stupid.
01:29 douchebag I just don't think social engineering would be the right word to use for remote command execution
01:29 mircea_popescu i guess not.
01:33 Mocky couldn't be arsed sounds worse to me than couldn't find
01:33 trinque properly, if he had lobbes key, he is lobbes.
01:36 mircea_popescu well, lobbesbot.
01:37 trinque ah right
01:37 mircea_popescu but anyway, yes, the social engineering part is trying to downgrade the look at the bot (ie, ANY one key) to look at randos (ie, a CERTAIN key).
01:37 mircea_popescu and yes it's misplaced.
01:51 mircea_popescu aaand in today;s excellent old trilema, http://trilema.com/2017/pronouncements-on-camp/
01:54 lobbes douchebag: The 'social engineering' in my statement refers to leveraging the RCE to (painfully, because lobbesbot privkey does not control any deedbot funds, so you'd need -my- privkey, which does not reside on public toilet box you RCE'd into) use deedbot -normally- by becoming lobbes through key theft
01:58 lobbes (lobbesbot privkey, also, does not reside on that box, but you know)
01:58 lobbes but yeah, "could talk", bleh
01:58 lobbes off to bed
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08:02 spyked lobbes, I am curious: how do you have lobbesbot self-voice then? do you do it manually?
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08:05 spyked (I suspect there is no way to separate privkey storage from bot operation *and* automatically perform e.g. deedbot self-voicing; but I might be wrong)
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10:17 trinque spyked: one could make many voicing OTPs, and put them in a hopper for the bot.
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10:23 spyked hm. so trinque, OTPs don't have any sort of expiration? the scenario I'm thinking of is that eventually my (for example) home ISP would do some stupid thing that would lead to the TCP connection going down. but that could happen in a week, a month or six from now, so I'd want that OTP to be valid whenever that happens.
10:24 spyked if that's the case, then this semi-automated approach is pretty neat, actually.
10:30 trinque I don't have a defined expiration time for them. If bot operators are interested in ^ maybe we'll go ahead and say it's 3 months, or whatever's sensible.
10:36 mircea_popescu the above ^ is the current model ftr.
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10:55 mircea_popescu aaand in other ancient truths, http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/#selection-97.1-105.118
10:58 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/eulora%e2%80%99s-communication-protocol-restated/ << Trilema - Euloras Communication Protocol, restated.
10:58 mircea_popescu phf, Mocky ^
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11:01 * Mocky reads
11:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: '(1960*4-8-8-16-64-24-6144 -- this includes two commas and a 2048 bit exponent)' << out of curiosity, how come your exponent is capped at 2048 ? or did i misread this ?
11:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, it's an eucrypt-ism, http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/11/eucrypt-chapter-5-c-m-e-mod-n/#selection-441.8-453.233
11:09 Mocky re: "int64(4 byte)" should that be 8 byte? and "object (size of 80 bits : int64 followed by int16 followed by int16)" should that be 'size of 96 bits' ?
11:09 mircea_popescu Mocky, ty, fixing!
11:10 mircea_popescu im also changing the structure to lists, at reader suggestion.
11:20 mircea_popescu done.
11:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, (and i guess apeloyee, if tuned in) : i'll be most interested in theoretical attacks of the proposed scheme.
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12:03 esthlos trinque: my current plan has been this: I digest the logs in batches every few days, but search for my nick at least once a day. since my nick wasn't referred to in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815256 , I missed it. my approach may be inadequate, since trilema is the first time I've used irc and I don't really know what I'm doing. but it's a reality of my schedule that sometimes I won't be able to respond for two days or so
12:03 a111 Logged on 2018-05-18 03:51 trinque is peeling back the layers trying to see what gpg is cranky about. meanwhile, why'd the (defpackage :v ...) go away?
12:03 esthlos if I need to be able to respond within a day to work with you guys, I will do my best to change things around
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12:05 esthlos but you should know that, new as I am, it takes me a long time to even get through one day of log while understanding what is going on
12:08 esthlos now for your comments: getting rid of the defpackage was a bad oversight, no real reason. My guess why gpg is failing is because I'm using 2.2.4 while I think most of you guys use 1.x . Moving to 1.x is on my backlog, but it was deprioritized becasue I didn't want to spend the time converting my keys. Another oversight, I suppose
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12:14 esthlos now I'm going to go through the logs and see if I've missed anything else. let me know what you've done on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815850 so we don't double spend on time. and to sum it up, yeah, my bad on the communication
12:14 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 03:04 trinque: since I haven't heard from you, I'm proceeding with these changes myself
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12:39 asciilifeform esthlos: you don't need to convert keys to switch from 2.x to 1.x
12:39 asciilifeform they use same format
12:39 Mocky mircea_popescu, http://trilema.com/2018/eulora%e2%80%99s-communication-protocol-restated/#comment-125734
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12:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815935 << i'ma give it a proper look
12:40 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 15:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, (and i guess apeloyee, if tuned in) : i'll be most interested in theoretical attacks of the proposed scheme.
12:42 esthlos asciilifeform: yep, just did it, thanks.
12:43 trinque esthlos: nobody here is using a 2.x gpg
12:44 trinque and yes, your approach is inadequate. gotta read all the logs since your last visit.
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12:44 asciilifeform trinque: very early on, i actually had it, but it was 100% painless to switch away from
12:44 asciilifeform ( which i did when mircea_popescu published his archived 1.4.10 tarball )
12:44 trinque sure, just describing current state of affairs.
12:44 trinque there is a 1.4.something preserved in a deed
12:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's
12:45 esthlos oh wow, the gpg behaivor is...special
12:45 asciilifeform trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-10#1295983 << for ref
12:45 a111 Logged on 2015-10-10 12:08 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc
12:45 esthlos think I see why it's breaking
12:47 trinque esthlos: I'd rather let you perform whatever changes to this thing, so I can keep working with gentoo entrails.
12:47 esthlos works for me
12:48 trinque just driving at using the logs in a particular manner, so threads build towards more coherence. working in isolation, v-in-my-head disjoins from v-in-yours.
12:48 trinque I really like how this thing is coming together, ftr, and can't wait to start using it with portage.
12:49 esthlos in case anyone missed these lulz: if you pass --no-default-keyring to gpg but don't supply another keyring, gpg... uses the default keyring. and if you pass a keyring, it assumes it's in the home directory
12:50 trinque woof. so it was trying $home/tmp/whatever ?
12:50 esthlos glad to hear it!
12:50 esthlos yep
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13:54 mod6 sooo... trinque, is the neg-rating on douchebag going to stand? because mircea_popescu has rented him a rockchip (right?) and according to the rules we laid out, I think we said that douchebag would be removed from access to the hardware.
13:54 mod6 mircea_popescu: thoughts?
13:57 trinque what do you mean by "going to stand" ?
13:57 mod6 Is this a 'forever -1'?
13:58 trinque I really don't like the idea of negotiating with anyone on what my ratings shall be
13:58 mod6 This is not a negotiation. Just asking what the deal is. Cause Pizarro is going to end up removing him from the hardware.
14:00 douchebag I just need to set up an mpwp blog and post the work I already have done
14:00 trinque if you follow the log lines I referenced back, you'll see exactly why I did it.
14:01 mod6 Ok forget I asked.
14:01 trinque if you press me on terms I'll remove the -1, you risk creating a mommyprocess anyone with a negrate can appeal to.
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14:01 mod6 mircea_popescu: how should Pizarro handle this, in your opinion, given the last conversation about this?
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14:02 douchebag I already have a webserver running on my pizarro box. I just don't know how I'm supposed to unpack mpwp
14:02 mod6 trinque: I only asked you, not as an appeal process, personally I couldn't care less. However, just wondering if you are going to remove that rating should the man do whatever in the next say day or two, whatever.
14:03 trinque I think "nobody does business with any L1-negrated party" is a bit strict. folks need to be able to beat someone over the head with disapproval without removing their ability to take part in society by having done so.
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14:04 mod6 This is what mircea_popescu wanted it to be, regardles.
14:04 mod6 *regardless.
14:04 trinque mod6: if I tell you, I'm giving someone I'm already punishing for weaselbehavior a defined mechanism to weasel further
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14:05 mod6 This is fine, my thinking is that he will be removed. If the rating changes at some point, then we will reconsider allowing him to be a customer.
14:06 douchebag ./v.pl p v mpwp mp-wp_genesis.vpatch
14:06 douchebag HEAD: mp-wp_genesis.vpatch not found in flow
14:06 trinque (this is not even to mention that either he or the other guy was contacting me as tittynicks asking when their money will be sent, lol)
14:07 trinque douchebag: since I can read, I can see a spurious "v" in that command
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14:07 mod6 that's fine trinque -- the extra 'v' is for 'verbose' mode.
14:07 trinque ah, alright
14:08 mod6 it's not found in the flow because something is either wrong with the signature of the vpatch, or the signatory is not in the current wot.
14:09 douchebag okay, that makes sense
14:12 trinque if douchebag wants to appeal to me directly, he can.
14:13 douchebag !!key hanbot
14:13 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/EA0FAD90985B3025576A5061454B0FC0BC07B87E.asc
14:13 esthlos to butt in: should only patches with good seals show in the flow?
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14:14 mod6 yes.
14:14 trinque mod6: contracts often have a cure period, eh? suppose it's "negrated party has $time to fix his reputation"
14:14 esthlos ok, will fix that
14:15 mod6 There is no contract here. I don't want to ask anyone about their ratings. Perhaps I shouldn't have asked what I asked there above.
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14:16 mod6 Was just trying to avoid (perhaps stupidly) some Pizarro gyrations.
14:16 mod6 Because I don't want us to ever ask someone about things such as this; their rating of someone.
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14:16 trinque the intent here is to force him to make good on his word. earlier he said the rockchip was going to be a tool to get acquainted with trb, and now it's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815869
14:16 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 03:43 douchebag: Alright, I can have that done in the next week or so. I'm currently using the rockchip box to host a webpage to troll someone, so I want the lulz there to continue to it's full potential
14:17 trinque because dick-pulling comes before the republic. immature bullshit to be weeded out.
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14:17 trinque mod6: I don't mean there's an actual contract, just referencing the notion of "cure period"
14:17 mod6 And what I should have said is: In light of the douchebag being neg-rated by a someone, a TMSR~ Lord especially, douchebag will be removed from access. This may change if his status changes.
14:20 trinque mod6: since his remedy involves access to a place to post the report, I'll give it until the end of the day, which is ample time to get a blog up and a post (even incomplete, so what) up.
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14:20 trinque !!unrate douchebag
14:20 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wRuOP/?raw=true
14:20 trinque !!v 288B82ED7F03FDE3B82AC90AF53DD317F0836E94B04B6F1EE0B85AAC26049E39
14:20 deedbot trinque unrated douchebag.
14:21 mod6 Well... see, this is not really how it should be. Don't let ole mod6 talk ya down.
14:21 trinque douchebag: tomorrow comes and no post, negrated and that's that.
14:21 mod6 Tomorrow is in like what... 6 hours? Or you mean CDT?
14:21 trinque mod6: the example's illustrated for logs, and now e can discuss it
14:21 trinque *we
14:22 trinque mod6: means from where my butt sits, if it's tomorrow, I pull the trigger. so get crackin
14:22 douchebag http://161.0.121.194/
14:22 mod6 Alright, sounds good trinque.
14:23 douchebag I need to get a domain now, and get mpwp setup
14:23 douchebag right now, I just threw that up so that I have something at least
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14:23 mod6 lol, looks like v worked 'eh?
14:24 douchebag No, I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong right now
14:24 mod6 What is it complainig about? Btw, I'm not sure that this projct even works with my version of V.
14:25 lobbes re wot: I mean, the serenity of leveraging the wot, imho, is that it is a purely individual-to-individual thing by design. In this case, you have Pizarro (P) who has customer relationships with MP and D. D has been negrated by T on the basis of Tx. MP can either decide 1) Tx means enough to request P get rid of D, in which case P now determines if it values MP or D moar, or 2) MP decides Tx does not mean enough to request P get rid of D.
14:27 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808182
14:27 a111 Logged on 2018-05-03 18:27 mod6: anyone? or any TMSR lord?
14:27 douchebag gonna buy a domain right now
14:27 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816003 << it's not always wrong to ask about ratings (that is, asking if they can be changed) -- see: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790898
14:27 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:16 mod6: Because I don't want us to ever ask someone about things such as this; their rating of someone.
14:27 a111 Logged on 2018-03-29 14:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, whadda ya think mod6 , can we get him back to positive rating ?
14:28 trinque wasn't that about the same guy?
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14:29 danielpbarron yep
14:29 douchebag do you guys think douchebag.press is a good domain name?
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14:29 mod6 yeah, alf had him negrated for snr
14:29 mod6 douchebag: fine by me, whatever works best for ya. could be: goatraper.com for all i car.
14:30 mod6 *care
14:30 danielpbarron i also have him at -1 for mouthing off to me in the eftard channel
14:30 mod6 and further, not even sure why you need a domain. (unless for some reason wp-mp doesn't work without one)
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14:31 * trinque cares not; phf had just an IP for a long while
14:31 douchebag If I'm going to run a blog, wouldn't it make sense to have a domain name that's easy to remember?
14:32 mod6 Depends on the audience maybe.
14:32 trinque and douchebag, sounds like you have another lord from whom to ask forgiveness; pizarro account is still in peril
14:32 trinque if danielpbarron has negrated
14:32 mod6 !!reputation douchebag
14:32 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mbt8A/?raw=true
14:33 trinque hm, ben_vulpes also
14:33 mod6 and esthlos
14:33 danielpbarron looks like mp and lobbes more than balance it out though. +2 from each
14:33 mod6 true, but "any lord".
14:33 trinque the rule is any lord.
14:34 danielpbarron hm, ok
14:34 mod6 fwiw, i didn't even know ben_vulpes neg'd him :D
14:34 trinque this is a pretty shitty reputation all around.
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14:34 mod6 well, i probably saw at one point, but forgot o.O
14:34 danielpbarron i'm not married to the rating, will consider arguments
14:35 douchebag danielpbarron: what's the exact reason you negrated me?
14:35 danielpbarron you're a douchebag
14:36 douchebag that's my name
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14:36 mod6 I would say, focus on trinque's task list. Then read back on the other neg ratings given and see if some repair can be done to your wot-status.
14:37 mod6 I'll be around for a bit if you need some help with v.pl.
14:38 danielpbarron i don't know exacts, but you were talking back to me over in lrh around the same time you were polluting snr in here, and my +1 was preventing others from !!downing you
14:38 douchebag https://i.imgur.com/q91y37j.png
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14:39 mod6 mother of god.
14:39 mod6 ok try this: ./v.pl f pd mpwp
14:40 mod6 see what it tells you
14:40 douchebag it ran the command, no output. going to try verbose
14:40 mod6 crud, one sec. im guessing you have a separate .seals dir for the mpwp vpatch too right?
14:40 mod6 cause you will need that.
14:40 douchebag https://i.imgur.com/4W4mBwq.png
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14:40 douchebag no, i'll create that right now
14:41 mod6 then the command would be like: ./v.pl f pd mpwp sd .mpwp-seals
14:41 mod6 or whatever you named the different seals dir.
14:41 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815871 << Tuesday I was on the bus and we went past and ambulance. Behind the ambulance was an old lady bleeding profusely from the head, head propped up on... CARDBOARD.
14:41 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 03:43 mircea_popescu: if that guy's not wearing brown underwear now...
14:42 danielpbarron douchebag, curl "http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5Eger/?raw=true" > ~/wotpaste ; chmod +x ~/wotpaste
14:42 BingoBoingo I assume she was hit while wandering aimlessly in traffic as the zombies tend to do here
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14:42 mod6 When you see it in the flow, then you should be good. Then you'll have to do : ./v.pl p v mpwp mp-wp_genesis.vpatch pd mpwp sd .mpwp-seals
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14:42 douchebag okay, I think it's working! yay
14:43 douchebag https://i.imgur.com/xMuGhxe.png
14:44 mod6 yeah, my v doesn't work with that thing.
14:44 mod6 this is what brought on the whole thing about phf doing his v stuffs or whatever.
14:44 mod6 hanbot: how are you currently pressing mpwp, what tools should douchebag use for this?
14:45 mod6 so douchebag: nope that's not working, if it fails like that, just blow away your press dir, whatever is there is no good.
14:46 mod6 in a pinch -- you could always try to just : `patch -F 0 -E -p1 < mp-wp_genesis.vpatch` in some directory and just inflate the thing.
14:46 mod6 but this is strictly un-republican, and un-verified.
14:47 mod6 'heathen-istic method'
14:48 lobbes mod6: re pizarro wot policy: so you're saying positive lordly ratings do not cancel out negative lordly ratings? i.e. rule is simply: "any lordly negrate disualifies?"
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14:49 mod6 Read that log post that I pasted above. That is the current rule.
14:49 diana_coman lobbes, there is no positive cancels negative; for starters, it's not a sum
14:49 mod6 douchebag: scroll up, said somethings, or just check the log
14:50 diana_coman mod6, my reading is that pizarro does business with mp here though, not with douchebag
14:50 lobbes diana_coman: ah okay. gotcha
14:50 BingoBoingo If I recall it was MP that rented the rockchip for douchebag.
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14:50 mod6 This is overall dubious then. If someone scams me, and I neg-rate them, but their mircea_popescu's person in question, then what?
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14:51 diana_coman then you go and talk to mircea_popescu , yes
14:51 diana_coman what does otherwise "it's mircea_popescu's person" mean?
14:51 mod6 Pizarro shall follow the rule and remove access to that scammer. Simple as that.
14:51 diana_coman well yes, but first and foremost: what does it meant then "it's X's person"?
14:51 BingoBoingo mod6: But in the case the negrated fellow isn't leasing the chip. MP is.
14:52 mod6 This is all why this discussion is needed. Because it's a pretty inflexible rule, as it stands.
14:52 mod6 diana_coman: i simply mean, mircea_popescu rented the thing for the guy. 'tis all.
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14:53 BingoBoingo If you have been disenfranchised, the case is that yes, you have to have others do thing for you because you can't (MP in the case of leasing the rockchip douchebag uses)
14:53 diana_coman ^^
14:53 mod6 could have been you, renting it for person X. Person X is under your wing, so to speak.
14:53 BingoBoingo <mod6> diana_coman: i simply mean, mircea_popescu rented the thing for the guy. 'tis all. << MP rented the thing because the guy can't
14:53 BingoBoingo <mod6> could have been you, renting it for person X. Person X is under your wing, so to speak. << At your mercy is more like it
14:54 lobbes mod6: ah okay. logline you originally posted was phrased as a question, but reading further I see now that it resolves to the 'negrate from -any one- lord disqualifies': http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808202
14:54 a111 Logged on 2018-05-03 18:30 mircea_popescu: but logically, would you really want to rent your garage to anyone ANY of your friends think is no good ?
14:54 lobbes makes sense
14:55 mod6 So, what we're saying then is, if someone rents a box for someone else, and that someone else gets neg-rated, then it's up to the renter to figure it out? What if the renter says, "hey fuck what pizarro and its customers think". Does Pizarro not have a say in it's own customer usage then?
14:55 diana_coman mod6, you do have a say; but you have your say with the one paying for the box!
14:56 douchebag Well, I have a blog post. It's not complete and mpwp isn't installed yet.
14:56 mod6 I agree, which why, if you read above, I'm posing the question to our customer, mircea_popescu.
14:56 douchebag But right now I'm setting up nginx + php + mysql on the bbox
14:56 mod6 He'll let us know, which is fine. But overall, it's best to try to get a clear understanding of how to handle these now.
14:57 mod6 douchebag: you just happen to be the first one. That's all, could have been anyone.
14:58 douchebag Forsure, I should have got to working on this earlier. I've just been incredibly busy lately with finals for college, work, and preparing to move overseas in about 2.5 weeks
14:59 mod6 WoT is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.
15:02 douchebag https://i.imgur.com/JMM0nah.png
15:02 mod6 for god sake man, please, just learn how to use p.bvulpes.com.
15:03 mod6 Did you ever set the system time?
15:03 douchebag No I didn't
15:03 mod6 Because shit will go sideways unless you do.
15:03 mod6 Do that, then try again.
15:05 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808420 << note what asciilifeform says below that too
15:05 a111 Logged on 2018-05-03 20:19 mod6: Don't be like me, set your system time, first thing, diana_coman.
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15:24 esthlos trinque etc: do you want an eggog when flow fails because of bad seal on a vpatch? or let's be more general: do you want an eggog WHENEVER a bad seal is found?
15:24 mod6 yes, should error immediately. thats what mine does anyway.
15:25 esthlos ok, and to that point, should EVERY operation spitting out vpatches (flow, antecedents, and so on) check all vpatches for sig?
15:26 mod6 yes.
15:26 esthlos mmk, thanks
15:26 trinque yep, totally.
15:26 mod6 for instance, my thing basically checks all people in the current wot, then verifies the seals based upon the current wot, then build a map, from which I build a flow. then all operations take place fro mthat.
15:27 * trinque bbl
15:27 esthlos yep mod6, that's effectively what I'll be doing.
15:27 esthlos bbl, meatspace
15:28 mod6 well, not always based on flow, but it might be, depending on the operation, otherwise the map is used to traverse, sometimes.
15:28 esthlos ah true, no point in generating flow for antecedents, etc
15:28 mod6 right.
15:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815938 << depends what you do, but not generally ~needed~, even though obviously the faster you move the faster oyu move. but -- the highlight name point is sound.
15:28 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 16:03 esthlos: if I need to be able to respond within a day to work with you guys, I will do my best to change things around
15:29 douchebag would anyone mind chatting with me via PM so I don't shit up the logs asking questions about how to get everything on this gentoo box sorted? I have minimal expereince working with gentoo so I have quite a few questions
15:29 mod6 is it specifically about the rockchip? or v?
15:30 mod6 let's take the rockchip discussion into #pizarro
15:30 douchebag okay
15:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815940 << 2.x is specifically blacklisted. can't use that.
15:30 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 16:08 esthlos: now for your comments: getting rid of the defpackage was a bad oversight, no real reason. My guess why gpg is failing is because I'm using 2.2.4 while I think most of you guys use 1.x . Moving to 1.x is on my backlog, but it was deprioritized becasue I didn't want to spend the time converting my keys. Another oversight, I suppose
15:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815945 << i actually get the comments rss feed as pms from deedbot, so i never miss any. tip top feature.
15:32 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 16:39 Mocky: mircea_popescu, http://trilema.com/2018/eulora%e2%80%99s-communication-protocol-restated/#comment-125734
15:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815950 << if he doesn't actually aim to lordship, i suppose he could get away with reading his highlighs and their context only.
15:32 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 16:44 trinque: and yes, your approach is inadequate. gotta read all the logs since your last visit.
15:33 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/05/german-cartoonist-fired-by-paper-that-published-his-jew-cartoon/ << Qntra - German Cartoonist Fired By Paper That Published His Jew Cartoon
15:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815978 << honestly i don't fucking know. it's all uncharted territory / shit we came up with.
15:45 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:01 mod6: mircea_popescu: how should Pizarro handle this, in your opinion, given the last conversation about this?
15:46 mircea_popescu while i can appreciate http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815977 ; it seems unavoidable that in fact peri-rating negotiations will be a fact of life ; only weren't historically because historically the importance of ratings was relatively small (even if ever growing).
15:46 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:01 trinque: if you press me on terms I'll remove the -1, you risk creating a mommyprocess anyone with a negrate can appeal to.
15:49 mircea_popescu ~technically~ pizarro is blocked (rather, protected) from the need to act by, indeed as pointed out, i having rented it in my own name. "for him" or not, pizarro's not held to care. but this was a palliative in place specifically because i expected something in this vein, the fellow is very phenomena-driven, sorta like the brains of frogs only work when there's ligjht bombarding the retinas and thereby powering the rest of th
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15:49 mircea_popescu e cortex.
15:49 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815751 << sure, in theory. in practice i imagine heaps of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558640 and "we can't/won't communicate off our phnojesy app du jour", but it's not impossible some folks go hoping to be rescued eh.
15:49 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 20:43 mircea_popescu: hanbot, feel like going sometime ?
15:49 a111 Logged on 2016-10-24 19:19 hanbot: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161024/#103 << i was actually gonna check out some "linux chix" meeting at the local red hat hole when i noticed 'pre-registration with documento' was required, you know, for 'security'.
15:49 scriba Logged on 2016-10-24: [16:27:02] <mircea_popescu> these and other tips and tricks brought to you by red hat entreprise security department.
15:51 hanbot http://thewhet.net/2018/04/panama-makes-me-ill/ << and then there's the sort of "bitcoin embassy" denizens i imagine abounding, whose ideas of security/tech whatever boil down to "we've got these here tshirts, herp"
15:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815981 << iirc it was never quite this strict hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802711 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808202
15:52 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:03 trinque: I think "nobody does business with any L1-negrated party" is a bit strict. folks need to be able to beat someone over the head with disapproval without removing their ability to take part in society by having done so.
15:52 a111 Logged on 2018-04-19 01:36 mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, it's not a firm "no trading with bozos" ; seems to me you appreciate the distinction between selling an item and selling hosting in other contexts. people that are willing to take your cash payment upfront for a piece of hard candy might nevertheless not agree to rent you their garage.
15:52 a111 Logged on 2018-05-03 18:30 mircea_popescu: but logically, would you really want to rent your garage to anyone ANY of your friends think is no good ?
15:53 mircea_popescu but if you're looking for actionable practicalia, you could do something like, "well, we'll consider the matter whenever it becomes salient. such as when someone complains ; or when issuing invoices. we just won't invoice people with neg ratings, and they can sort it out."
15:53 mircea_popescu should be low effort enough.
15:53 mod6 mircea_popescu: ah, thanks for the quick responses here.
15:54 mircea_popescu hanbot, haha, a case of ymmv huh.
15:55 mod6 I think that may be a workable solution.
15:56 hanbot yeah. in short, i'm not averse to trying, and now and then do dive in the soup to see. i pretty much emerge with piss variously lodged in my eyesockets and zero pearls.
15:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815984 << hence the "only part missing is installing mpwp" solution, which in itself is lulzy. BUT, the sad fact of the matter is, trinque , that the beginnings of education and the refusal of education are strictly indistinguishable. let's leave this be and consider the case of girly in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815550 : if i were to reject her on the basis of her initial advances
15:57 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:04 trinque: mod6: if I tell you, I'm giving someone I'm already punishing for weaselbehavior a defined mechanism to weasel further
15:57 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: a right right, i forgot that part! kalash == maitenance is an act of love and devotion, not a matter of necessity. this is deeper than it sounds, consider this recent exchange : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQRtP/?raw=true
15:57 mircea_popescu being inept (and by inept we mean, exactly wrong), nobody could ever make it in.
15:58 mircea_popescu in other words : providing someone being punished for weaselbehaviour with a specified mechanism to weasel further helps them by removing the ~defining~ of the weaselbehaviour from their hands, which is the first step towards becoming sane already.
15:59 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/20/how-do-you-want-to-be-memorialized/ << Bingo Blog - How Do You Want To Be Memorialized?
16:00 hanbot danielpbarron when you have a moment please post yer wp-comments-post.php for me.
16:05 hanbot <mod6> hanbot: how are you currently pressing mpwp, what tools should douchebag use for this? << pressed with http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ (only those patches on the left branch of http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools&search= ).
16:05 mircea_popescu here's a direct sample in this vein : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4xtpc/?raw=true . for most children, the first experience with negative reinforcement comes through their attempt to manipulate the processes around to avoid negative reinforcement.
16:06 mod6 hanbot: awesome, thanks!
16:06 mircea_popescu and boy howdy, does anyone on earth, including its subinept management, derive more fucking value from the fetlife holding pens than yours truly.
16:06 mod6 douchebag: you'll have to follow what hanbot is posting here for that mpwp part.
16:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815989 << no, that's verbose.
16:08 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:07 trinque: douchebag: since I can read, I can see a spurious "v" in that command
16:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815997 << that's the whole point ; ~however~ the thinking is that the user should be warned (and pressing should stop) if there are invalid signatures in his .seals dir, ~because~ it is not expected he'd have put them there, so something needs humnan eyes.
16:09 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:13 esthlos: to butt in: should only patches with good seals show in the flow?
16:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816001 << i don't see how it could have been avoided. sooner or later it was coming up, so why not sooner.
16:09 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:15 mod6: There is no contract here. I don't want to ask anyone about their ratings. Perhaps I shouldn't have asked what I asked there above.
16:10 mod6 yeah, exactly. glad I brought it up. our first test of this.
16:10 mircea_popescu and you most definitely ~can~ ask anyone about their rating. the whole fucking thing is built on nothing besides this, http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#selection-131.113-131.167
16:11 mod6 lol, "if it were not for your ``friends'' I would think that this was a normal chat site"
16:11 mircea_popescu whether you can lean on people to chainge their ratings is iffier, and very much depends on your relationship. but the logs are full of this also.
16:11 mircea_popescu mod6, "i got friends... they're multiplyin'... an' i'm loooosin'... control!"
16:11 mod6 *nod*
16:11 mircea_popescu " you gotta shape up..."
16:11 BingoBoingo Anyways there is a difference between a "-1 inquire within" and a "-10 social death sentence"
16:13 mod6 Sure, BingoBoingo. Just a solid test case against the rule formulated earlier. That's all this is.
16:13 mod6 Better to hash it out now, than to be surprised later.
16:14 mod6 lol mircea_popescu, I haven't heard that song in quite a while.
16:14 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J01QPxZFlw4 :D
16:16 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815989 << no, that's verbose. << this is awesome
16:16 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:07 trinque: douchebag: since I can read, I can see a spurious "v" in that command
16:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816006 << i'm not even sure he has a clear distinction between the two ; and amusingly enough that difference, whether present, it's not even a fundamental. it only emerges from context.
16:17 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:17 trinque: because dick-pulling comes before the republic. immature bullshit to be weeded out.
16:17 mircea_popescu mod6, lol, what ?
16:17 mod6 You've read the docs & use my vtron enough to know this!
16:18 mircea_popescu no, i just expect v is verbose everywhere, and know it's in your case by that sure sign, that i've not bitched at you about it! :D
16:18 mod6 hahaha, fair enough.
16:18 mircea_popescu fucking retarded grep uses it as "invert pattern", bloody hell.
16:18 mod6 right?!
16:18 mircea_popescu who the fuck headshat that one!
16:19 mod6 on that note, am I the only one that didn't know that grep returns (technically) an error if something doens't match your pattern?
16:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816009 << if he manages to stand up a blog in a day i'll fucking fall over.
16:19 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:20 trinque: mod6: since his remedy involves access to a place to post the report, I'll give it until the end of the day, which is ample time to get a blog up and a post (even incomplete, so what) up.
16:19 danielpbarron hanbot, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DVVhZ/?raw=true
16:19 mircea_popescu mod6, if nothing does, you mean ?
16:19 danielpbarron i think the only change i made there is <code> to <pre> on the gpg thing
16:20 mod6 Ah yeah. If i grep for "foo" and it isn't found. It just hands you back your shell. Which I just always thought "oh, nothing found". But this is actually a non-zero return code.
16:21 mod6 Learned that about a week ago, and felt preeeety sheepish.
16:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816023 << ahaha check that out. hey douchebag , is that list complete ? :D
16:21 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:23 douchebag: right now, I just threw that up so that I have something at least
16:21 mircea_popescu (i don't mean, "i can't read headings, help me out" ; i mean : for the present headings, are these all the vulns known ? by ~whom~ (ie, what source used) ?)
16:22 mircea_popescu mod6, tons of annoying grep-captured scripts out there to handle the nothing found case.
16:22 mod6 Ah ya.
16:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816034 << amusingly enough, yes!
16:23 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:28 trinque: wasn't that about the same guy?
16:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816036 << sounds great, actually.
16:24 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:29 douchebag: do you guys think douchebag.press is a good domain name?
16:25 mircea_popescu i had nfi they made a .press tld ; i expect they made it for the "journalism", but of course that being dead and presses being a thing...
16:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816041 << does not specifically need one, but hey.
16:25 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:30 mod6: and further, not even sure why you need a domain. (unless for some reason wp-mp doesn't work without one)
16:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816056 << dang, he sure got well banged up, didn't he. yo douchebag , why do you have so much trouble working with people ?
16:27 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:34 trinque: this is a pretty shitty reputation all around.
16:28 mod6 Yeah, I've got domains, makes it easier. But yah, not specifically required.
16:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816065 << normally i'd have said "don't use fucking screencaps wtf is wrong with you", but in this case i doubt a proper paste could have risen to the required heights of lul.
16:28 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:38 douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/q91y37j.png
16:31 mod6 To be fair on that point, I would have asked him for approx the same information.
16:33 mod6 douchebag: A few finer points on the matter. 1] p.bvulpes.com pastes are archived (thanks lobbes!), which help for future trips through old logs. 2] Not everyone who can help is always on a machine with a gui capable of viewing images.
16:36 mod6 Thanks all, I'll bbl, gotta do a few chores.
16:49 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815722 << I give up, is it "when it is locked?"
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16:49 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 20:21 mircea_popescu: btw lobbes, let me ask you this : when is a door not a door ?
16:49 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815918 << It actually never occured to me to use the "many OTPs stored for later use" trick that trinque mentioned, which is pretty spiffy indeed (I may start doing just this). But to answer your question: lobbesbot's only involvement in my archive process is to listen to irc and insert urls it comes across into a sqlite3 db. That database is then 'shipped off' to separ
16:49 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 12:02 spyked: lobbes, I am curious: how do you have lobbesbot self-voice then? do you do it manually?
16:49 lobbes ate box for processing
16:57 douchebag mircea_popescu: As far as source used, I'm using https://cve.mitre.org/
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17:31 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816246 << when it is "ajar"
17:31 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 20:49 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815722 << I give up, is it "when it is locked?"
17:36 mircea_popescu danielpbarron, aha. well, "when it is a jar", but yes
17:36 lobbes aha
17:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816079 << i expect. you should see these idiots, biking with no lights, dressed in camuflage gear (srsly dorky, black shit because white's too hard to wash, still see no reason you shouldn't be out at night ?) on the side of the fucking highway. what, problem ?
17:38 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:42 BingoBoingo: I assume she was hit while wandering aimlessly in traffic as the zombies tend to do here
17:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816090 << depends the rule for what. but no, generally the fact that you're dearly beloved by the baker doesn't "cancel out" your raping the plumber's daugther.
17:39 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:48 lobbes: mod6: re pizarro wot policy: so you're saying positive lordly ratings do not cancel out negative lordly ratings? i.e. rule is simply: "any lordly negrate disualifies?"
17:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816097 << the reason this exists is because you have no way around the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808200 ; guy could just register a new name, get a rating from anyone willing to, and there you go.
17:43 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:50 mod6: This is overall dubious then. If someone scams me, and I neg-rate them, but their mircea_popescu's person in question, then what?
17:43 a111 Logged on 2018-05-03 18:30 asciilifeform: i suppose if adlai or karpeles or whoever wants to put on a mask and pretend to be a eulora-playing tits chix for years, there's no real damage
17:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816104 << you only know this as a courtesy, it's not something you can rely on knowing.
17:44 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:52 mod6: diana_coman: i simply mean, mircea_popescu rented the thing for the guy. 'tis all.
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18:44 mircea_popescu trinque, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A0dYe/?raw=true
18:47 mircea_popescu !!rated Mocky
18:47 deedbot mircea_popescu rated Mocky 2 at 2018/05/03 19:07:05 << remarkably mentally organized eulora noob.
18:57 mircea_popescu Mocky, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fAFNU/?raw=true
19:07 trinque mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/STAkJ/?raw=true
19:10 mircea_popescu and in other 2018s, guess what's dead ? sourceforge. https://archive.is/WFvmU
19:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sadly not dead; merely ( and along with growing list of assorted usg.derps ) blocks the bot
19:17 Mocky mircea_popescu, i'm fine with that
19:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816065 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816072 etc << this crapola doesn't even display properly on my terminal, and i refuse to fiddle with it to read it, d00d was warned repeatedly to stop spewing nonsearchable, nontextrenderable screenshit liquishit , and yet persists
19:17 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:38 douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/q91y37j.png
19:17 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:40 douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/4W4mBwq.png
19:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816096 << it was
19:19 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:50 BingoBoingo: If I recall it was MP that rented the rockchip for douchebag.
19:21 asciilifeform i for one have noticed no symptoms of educability , thus far, in douchebag . but he's not my pupil, he's mircea_popescu's , when mircea_popescu has had his fill, he will throw him out .
19:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816251 << classic example of the 'frog brain' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816160 ) . i.e. as if we have no hands and could not use search engine, and it had to wait for him.
19:29 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 20:57 douchebag: mircea_popescu: As far as source used, I'm using https://cve.mitre.org/
19:29 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 19:49 mircea_popescu: ~technically~ pizarro is blocked (rather, protected) from the need to act by, indeed as pointed out, i having rented it in my own name. "for him" or not, pizarro's not held to care. but this was a palliative in place specifically because i expected something in this vein, the fellow is very phenomena-driven, sorta like the brains of frogs only work when there's ligjht bombarding the retinas and thereby powering the rest of th
19:36 asciilifeform in unrelated noose, http://www.good-display.com << possibly world's slowest commercial www ( chinese parts supplier asciilifeform was trying to search catalogue of ) , it makes ~version 1~ phuctor seem fast by comparison
19:37 mircea_popescu !!rate Mocky 3 Mocky Habeeb. Wrote a book on Amazon DB ; works for infraWise (which is pretty lulzy, but don't hold it against him).
19:37 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0KsCj/?raw=true
19:37 mircea_popescu does the guy have the coolest name or what.
19:39 Mocky ^ said nobody, ever
19:40 mircea_popescu really ?~
19:41 mircea_popescu why the hell not ?
19:42 Mocky being a Habeeb has been hell, since 9/11. I quit flying cuz of the "special pat down" treatment. I guess TSA loves that name tho, lol
19:43 mircea_popescu heh.
19:43 mircea_popescu i dunno, maybe time to leave mordor ?
19:47 Mocky that would be nice. I haven't looked at foreign job prospects. I guess you'd call me ESL
19:48 Mocky I don't think my pending invention of inverted waffle iron plates is going to make me rich
19:52 mircea_popescu hey, i got good news for you : a) BingoBoingo escaped to uruguay on the strength of pizarro ; and diana_coman started her s.mg career as an effectual player.
20:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, i honestly can't say what not dead is this ; it's off the web, it's off the web. "oh but it shows up on ipnoje". sooo ?
20:01 asciilifeform by ~that~ measure it was dead 3+y ago , when it turned to openly infecting the stored tarballs
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20:01 asciilifeform ( recall. )
20:07 asciilifeform !Q later tell BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/20/how-do-you-want-to-be-memorialized/#comment-115095
20:07 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
20:07 asciilifeform !Q later tell ben_vulpes is there a problem with the invoice ? ( aside from the fact that i forgot the 36 usd fee , in it ) ? how come i'm still waiting ?
20:07 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
20:08 * asciilifeform brb,meat
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20:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JbbnU/?raw=true
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20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: will have to pass this time, sadly
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the tanks are nearing bottom.
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