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04:25 jurov ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sUtrF/?raw=true
04:25 lobbesbot jurov: Sent 6 days, 14 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QodBe/?raw=true
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05:19 spyked to clear up the confusion in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818920 (and maybe for some bonus lulz): somehow last night my eyes completely overlooked the last part in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818894 (yes, after reading *twice*), leading to a very wtf contextless spyked upon ingesting http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818901 . /me still has much practice to do to follow discussions in real-time, most of my reading happens
05:19 a111 Logged on 2018-05-25 21:31 mircea_popescu: what metaphor! it's an metasyntactic variable, you never encountered before ?!
05:19 a111 Logged on 2018-05-25 21:11 mircea_popescu: well, did you protest that anywhere ? preferably as "hey $x, im trying to use ircbot to make rssbot, but you've not got voice going ?!"
05:19 a111 Logged on 2018-05-25 21:16 mircea_popescu: nevermind that part for now. do you have a value for $x in "hey $x".
05:19 spyked in the logs.
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05:36 spyked also, re. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1819054 my intention is to implement the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815920 approach, where: a. user obtains OTPs manually by prodding deedbot with !!ups, decrypts them and feeds them to trilemabot; b. trilemabot maintains a list of OTPs and uses the next one in the list when it needs to self-voice (i.e. after it /joins #trilema). c. user must ensure that the OTP list is not empty,
05:36 a111 Logged on 2018-05-25 22:46 spyked: mircea_popescu, no, not yet. it's next on the todo list.
05:36 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 14:17 trinque: spyked: one could make many voicing OTPs, and put them in a hopper for the bot.
05:36 spyked otherwise bot won't self-voice.
05:38 spyked I'll leave this open for discussion for a coupla days or so. meanwhile any comments from other lisp bot operators ( ben_vulpes, lobbes, phf et al.) are muchly appreciated.
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10:24 mircea_popescu that's what second pass is for, huh.
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10:41 spyked mircea_popescu, word.
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11:02 mircea_popescu re the voicing approach : the above is fine. the alternative, where you keep a dedicated key on the bot, is also fine. the damage it can do is very limited (what, spend money it doesn't have ? rate people ?) and the upside is that you get to find out about possible attacks. neither method is wrong or anything.
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12:27 mircea_popescu in other news, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1819057 <-> http://trilema.com/2018/the-v-questionarium-answerarium-2018-edition/#selection-321.35-321.107
12:27 a111 Logged on 2018-05-25 22:47 trinque: I suspect logbot is terribly named. it's more aptly an IRC-pg bridge.
12:27 mircea_popescu are we specifiing a gns standard for these ?
12:28 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, anil dash of http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/ still exists!
12:29 mircea_popescu "Anil Dash (/ɑːˈniːl ˈdæʃ/; born September 5, 1975) is an American blogger, entrepreneur, and technologist. Previously an independent technology consultant and new media developer for the Village Voice"
12:29 mircea_popescu the things imbecile journahos "become" in the empire! TECHNOLOGISTS!!
12:29 mircea_popescu He was the director of Expert Labs, a "Government 2.0 initiative that aims to connect United States government projects with citizens who want to become more involved in the political discussion"
12:29 mircea_popescu hurr.
12:31 mircea_popescu "Anil Dash‏Verified account @anildash 30m30 minutes ago
12:31 mircea_popescu But just a word to journalists aghast at the idea of naming a source who wanted to be off the record: telling the truth and exposing the President’s lies is actually more important than j-school decorum. You’re being played."
12:31 mircea_popescu epic.
12:36 mircea_popescu "I cofounded Activate, the strategy consultancy that guides the leaders of the biggest media, technology and entertainment companies in developing their strategies for growth" << consider the politruk-icity. so, "the biggest" have absolutely nothing to say. they are so inept at creating their own fucking strategies, they'll just hire the political commissar to give them a sheet of paper that's certified by the office of polit
12:36 mircea_popescu ruks and therefore won't get them into political trouble.
12:37 mircea_popescu i'll be very keen to hear someone explain the difference between usg and kpss.
12:43 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/the-v-questionarium-answerarium-2018-edition/ << Trilema - The V questionarium & answerarium, 2018 edition
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13:29 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other alt-science and cvasi-technology, https://www.slaveplanet.net/
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15:20 diana_coman has anyone installed php successfully on a rockchip? it fails to build on mine with a lot of "error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" and a search for this sort of thing seems to suggest it might have to do with libxml version; anyone ran into this and sorted it out already?
15:21 diana_coman for completeness: it's about php 5.6.34 with gcc 4.9.4 ; libxml2 is 2.9.7
15:23 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/26/some-fg-samples-and-test-results/ << Bingo Blog - Some FG Samples And Test Results
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15:52 mircea_popescu meanwhile in finance and banking, http://bankofbaroda.co.bw/
15:54 BingoBoingo I like how the Botswana Bank's international outreach is to India
15:54 BingoBoingo And nowhere else
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17:49 lobbes diana_coman: I've been on a quest for the last few days trying to get a LAMP running on my rockchip. I was getting barfs on emerging php-5.6 but managed to at least get php 7.2.4 installed
17:49 lobbes did your php 5.6 barfs look like mine too? >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KNEJ4/?raw=true
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17:56 lobbes the "error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" sounds like we have the same issue. Either way, I've no solution yet myself. I figure if I can get mp-wp going with php 7.2 I guess I'll be satisfied for now
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18:14 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, it's really owned by the indian govt.
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21:16 esthlos hey mircea_popescu, you used to study physics, right? any opinion on mach's principle?
21:17 mircea_popescu i dunno ; grav theory is particularily opaque.
21:18 esthlos certainly
21:21 mircea_popescu anyway, celestial reference is practically useful, and the question "but why should it be" seems ill posed.
21:25 mircea_popescu in any case i find the web 2.0 ish approach intellectually repugnant ; if i'm to explain why one "feels his arms pulled" when spinning under the moon, perhaps i'll be next held to explain why the same one doesn't "feel" the normal pressure in his bladder, or the heliocentric nature of the solar system in his horse's clavicle. let einstein, ziggler, marx, godin and friends answer this nonsense ; anil dash stands ready to angri
21:25 mircea_popescu ly tweet their productions.
21:26 mircea_popescu in short, it's not only ill posed, but rather seems ill posed a certain, familiar way.
21:31 esthlos most admirable physicists I've encountered feel ~ the same. still, idea secudes me from time to time
21:34 esthlos trinque: any time to look at the new vtron? the currently outstanding issues I'm aware of are 1. need to reintroduce a defpackage; 2. weirdness with ccl and building the gpg keychain
21:37 mircea_popescu i suppose the proper term is "new age". funny how that principal designation of pantsuit idiocy during the 80s disappeared once the soviets gave in.
21:38 esthlos funny, they conjure literal beings of pure energy
21:40 esthlos also mircea_popescu , I'm curious what your formula for learning new languages is; or to be more precise, what your advice is to an esltard trying to not be so tarded
21:41 mircea_popescu get a girlfriend.
21:44 esthlos i see
21:47 mircea_popescu not just theory, either. afaik it's how BingoBoingo learned spanish.
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21:50 esthlos now to find a deutsche Frau in pantsuit central
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21:53 trinque esthlos: yep, I just got to the keyboard. iirc there was something wrong with ccl in regards to keychain path?
21:53 * trinque fires it up
21:55 esthlos well, try this out: load in the file from a ccl repl, run make-wot, back out of the failure, and run wot again
21:55 mircea_popescu no, you go there.
21:55 esthlos ah nevermind, I thought I remembered this working
21:58 esthlos http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Pdqaf/?raw=true
21:58 esthlos see the different error messages? I find it odd
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22:14 trinque esthlos: I wager neither of us knows how to use that ffi macro correctly. doing some reading.
22:19 esthlos I found the piece of code causing the trouble
22:19 esthlos CCL::%ERRNO-DISP
22:21 esthlos on the first invocation of make-temp-dir, (ccl::%GET-ERRNO) returns -38, which according to https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/ is "function not implemented"
22:22 esthlos sorry, don't mean CCL::%ERRNO-DISP is causing the trouble. CCL::%ERRNO-DISP is setting errno to -38, even though it seems to successfully create the directory
22:22 esthlos err, #_mkdtemp sets errno to -38
22:25 trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kHzNl/?raw=true << this is why I think it's being called incorrectly.
22:25 trinque appears to want some C type there as the argument, which makes sense. I wouldn't know how to provide that, just yet.
22:28 trinque "There's no supported way to directly pass lisp data to foreign functions: scalar lisp data must be coerced to an equivalent foreign representation, and lisp arrays (notably strings) must be copied to non-GCed memory." << right there in the https://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter13.2.html
22:30 esthlos yep, and check out 13.3.2.15 on https://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter13.3.html
22:30 esthlos example: (ccl:with-cstrs ((x "x")) (#_puts x))
22:33 trinque yep, was over here trying to jam it in with make-cstring
22:34 trinque appears to work, i.e. (#_mkdtemp (ccl::make-cstring "/tmp/fooXXXXXX"))
22:34 esthlos can you check the errno with (ccl::%GET-ERRNO) ?
22:36 esthlos as in (progn (#_mkdtemp (ccl:with-cstrs ((x "/tmp/fooXXXXXX")) (#_mkdtemp x))) (format t "~a" (ccl::%GET-ERRNO)))
22:37 trinque getting a -22 out of that
22:38 esthlos yep, and that's causing the error I believe
22:39 esthlos but, verrry strangely, doing it with make-cstring works for me
22:39 esthlos http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KVZFO/?raw=true
22:40 trinque well, expand the with-cstrs macro and see if it does what you assume
22:41 trinque also the code you pasted had a #_mkdtemp wrapped in a #_mkdtemp ?
22:45 esthlos oh, yeah
22:45 esthlos I might need some sleep
22:45 esthlos now it's returning errno 0
22:50 trinque so what are we doing here?
22:52 esthlos I'm looking into the expansion of ccl:with-cstrs to see why it's #_mkdtemp might raise an error
22:55 esthlos make-temp-dir is still setting errno to -38. only my snippet was ill-formed
23:00 trinque I don't think %GET-ERRNO does what it seems. mkdtemp returns a null pointer on error, proper pointer otherwise, and I'm seeing that change depending on whether e.g. there's enough X in the pattern.
23:00 trinque phf, if you're around, would you be more familiar with ^ ?
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23:12 trinque esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QjAE4/?raw=true << here's a fixed make-temp-dir
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23:14 esthlos excellent, I was trying to make heads or tails of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eFqSm/?raw=true
23:16 esthlos I am curious though, if http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817664 was working for phf, because it wasn't for either of us it seems
23:16 a111 Logged on 2018-05-23 15:04 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817293 << i started writing a lispy make-temp-directory but the implementation is not particularly elegant (C concerns are at odds with lisp concerns), you can pouch the ccl bits though. i'm not sure if there's a better way to do errno handling, without relying on private ccl symbols
23:22 trinque esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/odjHx/?raw=true << fixed run-subprocess for ccl. external-process-status return is a "values"
23:24 trinque without the format, of course.
23:24 esthlos ah, nice
23:25 trinque with those changes I was able to press trb with a ccl-built binary
23:25 esthlos have to change the make-pathname of make-temp-dir back btw, because sbcl barfs
23:26 trinque ah k
23:26 trinque well, seems like this is pretty close to done!
23:26 esthlos so, what's the path from here?
23:26 esthlos yep!
23:28 trinque get the defpackage in there, test, then when you're satisfied, post a genesis patch on your blog.
23:28 esthlos hey douchebag feel like some pentesting?
23:28 esthlos break my shit
23:29 esthlos sounds good trinque
23:29 trinque eh, I wouldn't rely on him for that. he's yet to show any signs he's pressed a trb himself using the previous V
23:29 trinque I'll be banging on it myself as well.
23:29 esthlos heh, there was some attempted sarcasm there
23:30 trinque oic
23:30 trinque what's this contents thing, emacsism?
23:30 esthlos very light literate programming
23:30 esthlos only to stay organized
23:31 esthlos though wrt the pentesting, I would be grateful for any flaws found
23:33 esthlos anyway, think its bedtime. defpackage tomorrow
23:33 esthlos night
23:36 esthlos oh I should add, the vast majority of time of the proggy is spent calling gpg. would be nice to replace that turd
23:37 trinque sure would, cya
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