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00:39 hanbot diana_coman the regrind presses here without errors with phf's vpatch. i didn't try pressing with v.pl, possibly they're incompatible...?
00:45 hanbot esthlos it doesn't. footnotes source & instructions are in http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ , and i've never actually taken on the selection jazz. i can tuck em both into next patch tho.
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02:00 ben_vulpes ah, thanks trinque, figured i was s.o.l.
~ 5 hours 15 minutes ~
07:16 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833362 << oh i see, your flow command outputs an impossible ordering, but press-path gives a correct press order, so i was wrong, sorry about the fud
07:16 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 03:49 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833105 << fwiw phf, esthlos-v resolves the graph in the same manner as btcbase, and can press based at any node. of course, without checking the hashes, currently...
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09:47 diana_coman hanbot, right, it's keccak hashes so ofc v.pl barfs although it's weird that it first presses so much of it and only then randomly throws up; at any rate, on different arch, phf's vpatch pressed the mp-wp genesis so at least the genesis itself seems all right
09:49 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831973 -> asciilifeform any eta/status/update/something on this?
09:49 a111 Logged on 2018-07-05 17:59 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get it: clone of dulap is pointless because it requires rotor-style which can be equally done on existing server; but we are talking of having a box with trinque's musltronic proto-cuntoo
09:51 asciilifeform diana_coman: it's in the pipeline for this week. hopefully trinque's beta cuntoo actually worx.
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09:52 diana_coman right, good to know
09:52 asciilifeform as i understand this will be the first field test outside of his bench.
09:54 mircea_popescu afaik v.pl is no longer maintained
09:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hmm, last i knew, mod6 was still supporting it
09:55 diana_coman mircea_popescu, it's not a v.pl problem really at any rate; it wasn't directly clear keccak hashes and yest was a long day here
09:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816080 << apparently it actually even presses ?
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09:55 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 18:42 mod6: When you see it in the flow, then you should be good. Then you'll have to do : ./v.pl p v mpwp mp-wp_genesis.vpatch pd mpwp sd .mpwp-seals
09:55 diana_coman o.O
09:55 diana_coman I thought that was the old one?
09:55 mircea_popescu tbh, i tihnk what happened here was : original mpwp was sha, then hanbot reground it
09:55 mircea_popescu right.
09:56 diana_coman yes; I suppose it would have helped to have in the list there the move form sha to keccak
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09:56 diana_coman i.e in http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/
09:57 mircea_popescu word.
09:57 trinque asciilifeform: pretty high degree of confidence in the build. oughta be exact same deps on your end as what I had on the workbench
09:57 trinque most of "will it boot" sits with the kernel config anyway
09:58 diana_coman <asciilifeform> as i understand this will be the first field test outside of his bench. <- smg is an ice breaker of all sorts, what can I tell you
09:58 asciilifeform trinque: i'ma revv it up with my current dulap kernel, customer can reconfig as desired
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10:49 mod6 mornin'
10:50 phf morn
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11:10 BingoBoingo Mornin'
11:17 mod6 o7
11:20 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/commercial-ship-faces-seige-at-sea-after-rescuing-african-migrants/ << Qntra - Commercial Ship Faces Seige At Sea After Rescuing African Migrants
11:29 mircea_popescu gawd i fucking love BingoBoingo 's titles.
11:29 BingoBoingo tyvm
11:29 mircea_popescu i'm like leaving in a hurry and shit, but can't not stop and read that
11:30 BingoBoingo lol, this shit happens
11:37 * phf read that as "tities", was very confused
11:44 phf stay tuned for further important contributions of to the conversation!
11:56 mod6 haha
12:07 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/high-volume-california-localbitcoins-trader-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty/ << Qntra - High Volume California LocalBitcoins Trader Sentenced After Pleading Guilty
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12:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: seems like you did not plug the nic in on new s.mg ?!
12:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: both nics show link down
12:44 * asciilifeform unable to proceed until this is fixed
12:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Will dive and do plugs right now
12:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ty
12:48 asciilifeform also siege, not seige
12:57 BingoBoingo Plugged in
12:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: worx, ty
12:58 BingoBoingo And title fixed
13:09 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque out of curiosity, why does your cuntoo installer enable swapping ?
13:09 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
13:10 asciilifeform i'ma fix this.
13:10 asciilifeform per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-29#1806242 .
13:10 a111 Logged on 2018-04-29 13:50 asciilifeform: esthlos: imho absolutely not; i haven't built a linix box with swapping to disk enabled, in decade+ ( 'secure alloc' simply means 'marked unswappable' )
13:15 asciilifeform it also creates msdos-type disklabel, this will be problem later for boxes with large raid (caps at 2tb)
13:21 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque (running from the ben_vulpes livecd stick) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HvavG/?raw=true << it bombs
13:21 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
13:22 * asciilifeform about to try with the portage...630 switched to the ...601 which is actually included
13:27 asciilifeform seems to be going nao.
13:32 asciilifeform hmm, why does it emerge gcc5 ???
13:33 asciilifeform ( not accident, but per trinque's script, chroot . emerge '=gcc-5.4.0-r4::musl' )
13:35 asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZiuRv/?raw=true << whole thing, for reference, with the ..601 and removal of swappism being the only changes asciilifeform made
13:37 asciilifeform all i found re discussion is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757354 item
13:37 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 09:27 trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
13:39 ben_vulpes !!up hobotrinque
13:39 deedbot hobotrinque voiced for 30 minutes.
13:39 hobotrinque removing swap is totally fine by me. musl gcc-4 would not build on gcc-6
13:40 asciilifeform hobotrinque: so theoretically this should be fixable when we bolt on ave1's gcc as the initial binary, aha ?
13:40 hobotrinque indeed
13:40 asciilifeform neato.
13:40 asciilifeform for nao, i'ma go with what trinque gave.
13:40 asciilifeform ( thing is still humming along, building various proggies )
13:41 hobotrinque cool deal. bye for now
13:41 asciilifeform ty hobotrinque .
13:41 ben_vulpes !!down hobotrinque
13:54 asciilifeform there's a coupla things obviously missing from the alpha cuntoo, e.g. my anti-poetteringolade ban mask, make flags for actually using the 32 cpus of the box, possibly other things. but i'ma let diana_coman add these at her leisure, box will be delivered with what is as close as possible to trinque's original item ( i'ma config the nic and that's it )
13:54 asciilifeform it will also need ave1's gcc/gnat
13:55 asciilifeform if diana_coman wants any of these things prior to delivery, plz to let asciilifeform know today !
14:01 trinque which use flag bans did you see missing?
14:01 lobbesbot trinque: Sent 51 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> out of curiosity, why does your cuntoo installer enable swapping ?
14:01 lobbesbot trinque: Sent 39 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> (running from the ben_vulpes livecd stick) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HvavG/?raw=true << it bombs
14:02 asciilifeform trinque: my current set : USE="-libnotify -consolekit -gtk3 -systemd -cups -dbus -gpm -avahi -gnome -tls-heartbeat -nls"
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14:03 asciilifeform ( as seen on dulap and rockchip )
14:03 asciilifeform oh lol i missed a line
14:03 asciilifeform trinque has : USE="libressl offensive -X -acl -bluetooth -consolekit -cups -dbus -iconv -nls -pulseaudio -systemd -wayland -xattr"
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14:05 asciilifeform i take back most of my whine. ( libnotify & gnome need to be on the ban list, they are very often pulled in by various, incl iirc firefox )
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14:32 phf asciilifeform: do you use freetype on your boxes?
14:32 asciilifeform phf: the ones with xorg -- yes
14:33 phf what about poppler?
14:33 asciilifeform afaik nowhere
14:33 asciilifeform possibly on the oldest boxen, i'ma have to look
14:33 asciilifeform phf: why ?
14:35 phf just curious, i'm trying to figure out where to draw the line on hairshirts. postscript pulls poppler for its pdf backend (so does latex, etc. but i'm not even going there)
14:35 phf *ghostscript rather
14:38 phf i think we might've discussed how all these utility libraries (particularly freedesktop ones) are the holes through which the darkness comes. poppler is one of them, a fork of venerable xpdf it is now everywhere where pdf manipulation is done, naturally with no way to turn of said manipulation when need be
14:39 asciilifeform phf: afaik there does not currently exist anything like a hygienic latex or ghostscript recipe
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14:39 asciilifeform ( neither belongs on server, so i've not put much attention in it as of yet )
14:40 phf i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?)
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14:40 diana_coman asciilifeform, the ban mask and flags for using the 32 cpus of the box seem to me absolutely needed as a minimum; mind adding them ?
14:41 asciilifeform diana_coman: ban mask seems to already be in trinque's recipe ( i'ma add the missing flag ) ; make -j32 i will add.
14:41 diana_coman and then I read next line, lol
14:41 diana_coman thanks!
14:41 asciilifeform np
14:42 asciilifeform thing is still building various proggies , but oughta be ready later today.
14:42 diana_coman cool
14:45 asciilifeform ( prolly wouldn't hurt to put a '# of cpus' param in trinque's script itself, in the chroot-making step, would speed up the actual bringup of cuntoo boxen considerably )
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14:45 asciilifeform (as it is, it is happening ~32x slower than could)
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16:26 asciilifeform aaaand grrrrrr asciilifeform realizes that he neglected to remove trinque's 'console to serial port only' thing.
16:27 mircea_popescu from experience, girl-girl relationships have two states : miffed, or muffed.
16:28 asciilifeform box is 1) wedged on boot , at 'booting kernel' or some unknowable later point 2) i cannot reset it from here , will need interactive help from BingoBoingo , and not once but several times ( if permitted to boot into trinque's cuntoo, and no worky, needs reset )
16:30 mircea_popescu i see you've been having funtoo ?
16:42 mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833446 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833449 it would seem the correct mezcla would go USE="libressl offensive -X -libnotify -avahi -acl -bluetooth -consolekit -cups -dbus -iconv -nls -avahi -pulseaudio -systemd -wayland -xattr -tls-heartbeat" on the expectation -X does -gpm -gtk3 -gnome implicitly.
16:42 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 18:02 asciilifeform: trinque: my current set : USE="-libnotify -consolekit -gtk3 -systemd -cups -dbus -gpm -avahi -gnome -tls-heartbeat -nls"
16:42 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 18:03 asciilifeform: trinque has : USE="libressl offensive -X -acl -bluetooth -consolekit -cups -dbus -iconv -nls -pulseaudio -systemd -wayland -xattr"
16:43 mircea_popescu though i recall asciilifeform making noises about using X on servers ? perhaps the only person who does, i dunno.
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16:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833460 <- in no small part because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704534 / http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ issues.
16:45 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 18:39 asciilifeform: phf: afaik there does not currently exist anything like a hygienic latex or ghostscript recipe
16:45 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 01:03 mircea_popescu: kanzure are you capable of standing up a bot which takes a link to a pdf and responds with a http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hello/?raw=true link containing the contents ?
16:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ?
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16:47 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 18:40 phf: i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?)
16:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833470 << yes.
16:48 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 18:45 asciilifeform: ( prolly wouldn't hurt to put a '# of cpus' param in trinque's script itself, in the chroot-making step, would speed up the actual bringup of cuntoo boxen considerably )
16:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plox to ping asciilifeform at your earliest , we gotta do a reset dance
16:52 asciilifeform oooh and i found why no boot : root=/dev/sda3 console=ttyS0,115200n8 << oughta be sda2 , given as i abolished swap
16:53 asciilifeform ( iirc trinque originally built this for some very small vga-less box )
16:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833479 << nope. why would anyone.
16:54 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 20:43 mircea_popescu: though i recall asciilifeform making noises about using X on servers ? perhaps the only person who does, i dunno.
16:55 asciilifeform i do occasionally use x on headless boxen, on lan.
16:55 asciilifeform ( proggy runs on 1, displays on another. )
16:55 asciilifeform on public-facing server tho ? nope
16:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833483 << lulzily, it 'started hygienic' because outputted ancient oddball format, 'dvi', which was eaten by certain classic phototypesetters. but afaik the only way to display it on current linux is via conversion to postscript/pdf. which in turn pulls in liquishit.
16:56 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 20:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ?
16:57 asciilifeform phf also documented some other corruptions of latex in recent decade, but the details currently escape me, iirc in the log somewhere
17:05 mircea_popescu breaking latex out of the evil linux clutches may actually be a worthy thing.
17:05 mircea_popescu also, ABOLISH BETTER!
17:05 asciilifeform lol
17:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: conceivably latex can be cured. iirc phf has a slow-burning march in that direction.
17:06 asciilifeform at the very minimum, would need some way to actually use ( display, print ? ) the thing that it outputs.
17:06 mircea_popescu yeah.
17:06 asciilifeform the obvious headache being , that there does not currently exist anything resembling a sane format that it could shit.
17:07 mircea_popescu yes well.
17:07 mircea_popescu the sooner i don't have to hear pdf anymore the better.
17:07 mircea_popescu fucktarded format possibly only paralleled in sheer idiocy by "youtube video"
17:08 mircea_popescu contents, too, but that's a different discussion.
17:08 asciilifeform in the '80s, sony (yes) tried to make a latex that natively writes to a screen. ('sony news' workstation). i dunno how well it worked, they got out of comp biznis..
17:09 mircea_popescu inb4 phf misreads "pdf"
17:10 asciilifeform subj is perennially fascinating to asciilifeform , how all of the folx with actually promising ideas re comp, withered away and died in '80s, leaving crapple & microshit.
17:12 asciilifeform the schoolboy explanation, 'money went with ibm/microshit', dun hold water, xerox had ~infinite moneys, ditto texas instruments ( 1 of the largest semiconductor houses of its time ) , made 0 diff
17:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: does there actually exist a 'youtube video format' or do they use the 'html5' horror ?
17:23 mircea_popescu in practical terms, "youtube video" is an url, like p.bvulpes.com/paste/<code>.
17:23 asciilifeform right, but there's also a layer of obscene hacks to make the actual compressed frames ride somehow atop http etc.
17:23 mircea_popescu that's the whole fuckign thing. and it was a primary driver in the mind breakage of the 00s, and deeply related to practical issues such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833240
17:23 a111 Logged on 2018-07-10 18:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can only admire the level of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829969 conspiraci : clueless girly logs on, it ~immediately~ resets its connection and launches a new one. 100% the cheapest most effectual confusion factor.
17:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wouldn't dignify that shitshow with a mention, from the engineering pov. everyone involved i know of is deeply ashamed of their participation.
17:25 asciilifeform it is worse than mircea_popescu likely fathoms; asciilifeform suspects that the bandwidth for lolcat watchers to watch the lolcats is 100% bezzle-powered, there does not exist anything like a +ev model for pushing video to all-comers
17:25 mircea_popescu it's not like "author of guillotine", but rather "the guy who came up with the trick of telling jews the gaschamber's for showering".
17:26 asciilifeform picture this, luser gets to load 500MB just for the asking, and sometimes without even asking ( background tab etc crapola )
17:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform youtube is not mostly lolcats. youtube is mostly male dweebs in a shitsty talking in an annoying voice way too close to the mic. and picking their nose "discreetely" while they nasalize.
17:26 asciilifeform speaking 'lolcats' generally, inclusive of these
17:26 mircea_popescu 2nd by volume, VERY unstable outdoor shots.
17:26 asciilifeform incl. 'warcraft' films, whichever terrifying bonfires of bandwidth.
17:27 mircea_popescu gaming feeds have a different tube.
17:27 * asciilifeform generally has nfi, doesn't actively follow subj
17:27 mircea_popescu i'm like ye olde admirality, comissioning maps of the seven seas.
17:28 asciilifeform point was, i suspect that there cannot be such a thing as 'sane video www', there is elementarily no way to pay for the necessary bw with honest money
17:29 asciilifeform it is an intrinsically chumpatronic artifact.
17:30 mircea_popescu it was a dream, back in 1999. "wikipedia of knowledge", "internet of things", there's an entire catalogue of graham&andreessen's boogers on napkins that male http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831739 retards constructed.
17:30 a111 Logged on 2018-07-05 13:04 BingoBoingo: Ah, that's Randi Zuckerburg's old bestie
17:30 asciilifeform just as implied in the name. 'turn net into cable tv'.
17:30 mircea_popescu you were going to "check your breakin video cameras from everywhere" or somesuch.
17:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: pong, details
17:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aah there you are. get thee to the dc cellar, and plox to ping back.
17:31 mircea_popescu it's funny, though, i spent the 90s thinking "oh, man, videoconfereincing will be SO COOL!!!" and then the 2010s going "fuck you and your stupid camera, get on irc like normal people. i really don't need to see you sweat."
17:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: funnily enuff , in usa at&t built a 'video phone' in the 1960s (!) . had to upgrade trunk cabling in entire country to make it thinkable ( the orig 't1' line dates to this period . ) net # of takers was... approx 0
17:33 mircea_popescu currently can't be arsed to get even http://trilema.com/2018/on-the-internet-nobody-believes-youre-a-sow/ girlies on video feeds.
17:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know, right ?
17:33 asciilifeform 'why to watch the d00d on the line sweat?' believe or not, discovered even then.
17:33 asciilifeform yet somehow, like '3d movie theatre', gets 'rediscovered' again & again.
17:34 mircea_popescu because "ideas" from julianne whatshername.
17:34 asciilifeform with some admixture of 'maybe ~this~ generation of lusers is dumb enuff'
17:35 mircea_popescu guess what, the nude bios female will "rediscover" "love" every generation\
17:37 mircea_popescu anyway, the important point ~everyone~ (and i don't mean in pantsuitland, at all. it's not the "gender wars" people, it's the "scientists" and "engineers" and whatnot) avoids like snails avoid salt is that THEY WERE WRONG.
17:38 asciilifeform https://archive.li/OUKcq << for expert paleo-entomologists strictly. 'at&t picturephone', 1964.
17:38 mircea_popescu the "intellectual leadership" lead no one nowhere. all their "ideas" turned out to be shit.
17:38 mircea_popescu this has to be fucking confronted.
17:38 mircea_popescu an entire generation intellectually bankrupt on the cluelessness of "the tech sector leaders".
17:38 mircea_popescu from ers to who have you, ALL WRONG, 100% certifiably fucktarded, clueless and entirely extraneous to this world.
17:39 mircea_popescu the whole history of "technology" 1992 - 2018 readily reduces to "hey wouldn't x be cool ? let's do it! oops it totally sucks who the fuck came up with this" for values of x taken out of a set with a cardinality comparable to the cardinal of all sets.
17:40 mircea_popescu just dud after dud after dud after dud on top of dudly mc duderson.
17:40 asciilifeform hey, printing press keeps a-printin', why would they confront any such thing
17:40 mircea_popescu because they have the pretense to sit in a room with me.
17:44 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' essay has the complete story re subj. while printing press prints, making comp for mircea_popescu 'aint big biznis', making ipnoje for lolcat and britney watchers -- is
17:49 mircea_popescu hardly.
17:49 mircea_popescu i would be much surprised if the current trend continues, where the chinese keep making the pacis for the ustards.
17:49 asciilifeform i actually have nfi why they do it.
17:49 asciilifeform possibly same reason brits refined opium for chinese.
17:50 mircea_popescu some people feed pig on xmas eve. who knows, inertia.
17:50 mircea_popescu it's better to cut it lean, but after doing it for so long you forget.
17:51 asciilifeform modern cn is big on the 'soft power' thing. i suppose calculated that it is cheaper to give the anglos toys and wait for'em to self-euthanize, than to war.
17:51 mircea_popescu what fucking war lmao.
17:52 mircea_popescu what, they'll "provide consultancy" to "chinese insurgents" ?
17:53 hanbot via hanbot's dad, help wanted ad from Eugene, where he recently moved: "The Room Oregon is opening Oregon Axe, an indoor axe throwing lounge! We are looking to fill a position with an energetic and outgoing individual! Oregon Axe will also be serving beer and wine."
17:53 asciilifeform ahahahahawaat
17:53 asciilifeform indoor frag-throwing lounge when.
17:53 hanbot next month, mebbe?!
17:54 mircea_popescu ahahaha
17:55 mircea_popescu i think this is actually a great tie-in for "corpoate events". drive people from mission district to eugene for "axing party". when they find out who got laid off.
17:55 hanbot lmao
17:55 mircea_popescu "and jerry has to go sit on the bean bag right over there"
18:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i asked you to ping back, not to immediately lay hands on the box.
18:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: or what , exactly is going on ? 1) it reset 2) usb stick no longer there ?
18:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: back
18:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I reset without USB stick
18:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plz put it back !!
18:06 asciilifeform and pleeeez wait for instructions, rather than doing $randomthing
18:06 BingoBoingo back
18:06 asciilifeform ty
18:07 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833379 << iirc mod6 was trying to get mp-wp genesis to work with v.pl, but it never actually pressed with it, sez so a handful of lines past that log link.
18:07 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 13:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816080 << apparently it actually even presses ?
18:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: try to endure the fan winds for another 20min (tops), i might need your magic hands again shortly
18:07 BingoBoingo Aite
18:08 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833385 << diana_coman that's a good point; added a note on said post. and y'know, you can just tell me directly, "hey, this is dumb, do x".
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18:08 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 13:56 diana_coman: yes; I suppose it would have helped to have in the list there the move form sha to keccak
18:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ummm didja unplug dulap ?"!?!!!
18:18 asciilifeform WHY
18:18 asciilifeform for FUCKS SAKE
18:21 asciilifeform in other omissions in trinque's cuntoo : lspci util. ( kernel build, box dun see nic, and i have no means of determining what the actual nic is, without again resetting into the live stick )
18:24 mircea_popescu funtoo upgraded to funthree.
18:24 BingoBoingo Dulap has not been touched
18:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nic on dulap was dead for a good 3 minutes.
18:25 BingoBoingo Blinkenlights appear normal
18:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: part of the 'fun' is that asciilifeform is working through a ipkvm box at something like mars lander latency
18:27 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it might've not escaped your notice standard tool required on alf's workbench is blamebox. he knows better than to proceed without it, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833373 etc. in this case -- you're it.
18:27 a111 Logged on 2018-07-11 13:51 asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's in the pipeline for this week. hopefully trinque's beta cuntoo actually worx.
18:28 * mircea_popescu preloads a "shush, mr 'i removed swap but forgot to edit the sda count resulting in nonbootable item'!" in the buffer just in case it's needed.
18:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I have witnessed the alf problem solving process on this datacenter floor
18:30 asciilifeform aaaand again
18:30 asciilifeform and it seems to affect both boxes
18:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja knock the switch mains loose somehow ...?
18:31 BingoBoingo More specific error message?
18:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: whole lan goes dead intermittently
18:31 mircea_popescu truth be told ssh pipes are fragile ; the interwebs aren't that great and well... add on top of that the usg.nsa ineptitude.
18:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope. they are not. i had one going since early june.
18:32 asciilifeform and now whole lan flickering.
18:32 BingoBoingo Blinkenlgihts remain normal
18:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plox to reseat mains ?
18:33 asciilifeform ( on switch strictly )
18:33 mircea_popescu i don't think i ever saw a pipe live a whole month.
18:33 mircea_popescu then again, possibly not used enough.
18:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've seen 0 flicker on pizarro pipes, period, since i plugged dulap in.
18:34 asciilifeform 24/7.
18:34 mircea_popescu nice.
18:34 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: To confirm you want the SWITCH reset?
18:35 asciilifeform no!!
18:35 asciilifeform re~seat~
18:35 BingoBoingo It's in there deep
18:36 asciilifeform aaand there we go again
18:36 asciilifeform whole lan
18:36 BingoBoingo I am not seeing whole lan. I am still talking to Qntra from outside our block
18:37 asciilifeform seems to affect at the very least dulap and the new box
18:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Do you want those two power cycled?
18:37 asciilifeform no
18:37 asciilifeform absolutely not
18:37 BingoBoingo Aite
18:39 asciilifeform still dead
18:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: try yanking out the new box's lan and ping back
18:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's blinkenlight is normal, but now the port the KVM is plugged into shows orange (as opposed to green) blinkenlight
18:41 asciilifeform ok looks like we have culprit...
18:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo plox to sit down on somewhere other than dulap ip.
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18:42 asciilifeform 203-240 are vacant.
18:43 asciilifeform 202 is to be the new box.
18:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plz lemme know when you have moved.
18:45 asciilifeform ( and put back any hoses you may have pulled )
18:46 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Moved
18:46 asciilifeform ty
18:53 BingoBoingo brb, Going to grab some vegetales while they are close
18:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you can leave the thing alone for nao
18:55 asciilifeform trinque: lemme get this straight, your script does 0 with kernel modules ? expectation is that there ain't any ?
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18:55 asciilifeform this is why i have no nic.
~ 18 minutes ~
19:13 asciilifeform soooooo diana_coman , mircea_popescu , i was able to bring up the box strictly by copying over a copy of my own dulap kernel
19:14 asciilifeform currently i am not able to make use of trinque's builder ( even though i fed it my kernel config verbatim ) as it does not handle the building and installation of the ramdisk where modules live ( dulap kernel is not presently cleansed of modulism )
19:15 asciilifeform however the box is online at 161.0.121.202 & ready for cuntoo userland's alpha testing . ( 1st thing you will want to do is prolly to install ave1's gnat . )
19:15 asciilifeform diana_coman ( or mircea_popescu ) plox to gpggram a ssh pubkey
19:16 asciilifeform * trinque's ~kernel~ builder << to be specific
19:16 * asciilifeform brb in ~10min
19:27 asciilifeform back
19:28 asciilifeform all in all this was quite a bit! closer to an automatic process than asciilifeform expected ! nifty piece of work, trinque . ( yes it had typo , and a few minor uglies i'll comment on later, but overall -- worx , ~unmodified, or at least would if i had a fully demodularized kernel )
19:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo : tomorrow morning , plox to visit the cellar and carefully remove the ipkvm from the box, and cut mains to the ipkvm; also remove the usb stick from said box.
19:32 asciilifeform ( if diana_coman indicates today that she wants to play with kernels, naturally leave kvm in )
19:32 asciilifeform i'ma bbl in about 1hr.
19:34 BingoBoingo ack
19:47 mod6 Gentlemen, nice work!
19:50 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/tales-de-todo-bien/ << Trilema - Tales de todo bien
19:51 BingoBoingo Fuck "todo bien"
19:55 BingoBoingo It's not human language, it's fucking birdsong
20:07 mod6 Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, my personal node is again fully sync'd and chugging along. I have re-added it to the list of advertised republican nodes.
20:20 asciilifeform congrats mod6
20:21 asciilifeform ty for the arms- and leg-work BingoBoingo
20:24 asciilifeform mod6: given the hour, i suspect that our customer is asleep , so s.mg-on-cuntoo will prolly happen tomorrow.
20:25 mod6 werd, thanks for the hard-work & update tho asciilifeform
20:29 asciilifeform hey BingoBoingo , does this box have FG ? i dun see a /dev/ttyUSB0
20:30 asciilifeform this is problem; customer ordered FG.
20:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: disregard earlier req to pull kvm & stick.
20:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and when you wake up, plox to check the connections.
20:36 asciilifeform aaaactually nm... 1s
20:36 * asciilifeform copies over /lib/modules/*
20:38 mod6 that fix it?
20:38 asciilifeform oughta, 1s
20:39 mod6 np, take your time.
20:43 asciilifeform ok worx !!
20:44 mod6 :] nice work Sir!
20:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: let's still hold on pulling kvm & stick until customer blesses the box.
20:44 asciilifeform mod6: when she does, plox to invoice diana_coman & co for subscription.
20:44 mod6 my pleasure.
20:46 mod6 one question that I was thinking about today... I know we've been over this a few times before... but did Pizarro ever put in a formal order for say, 100 more FGs?
20:46 mod6 perhaps I just need to do some log searching. feel free to tell me just to hit the logs.
20:47 asciilifeform mod6: there are not currently any moar FGs to be had .
20:47 asciilifeform aside from danielpbarron's
20:47 mod6 right, but I had thought that perhaps s.nsa was gonna have smore baked, if there was a formal order for moarar.
20:48 asciilifeform mod6: there is a design for lyso crystal next-gen FG, but not yet baked.
20:48 asciilifeform ( oughta be good for 1MB/s+ )
20:48 asciilifeform and, conceivably we might bake moar classic FG.
20:49 asciilifeform i'd really rather not, tho, they are extremely labour-intensive to test, on acct of the very modest speed of entropy generation.
20:49 asciilifeform i'd also like to be rid of xilinx sooner rather than later.
20:50 mod6 sure. 1MB/s would be amazing considering we're currently running ~7k/s
20:50 asciilifeform aha.
20:50 mod6 fair enough then.
20:50 asciilifeform currently pizarro has substantially moar FG than it has machines.
20:51 mod6 I think we've got enough to get us by for the time being. but if we do a rockchip order of 96 or whatever, then we're gonna be short by something like 60. (given each rc customer would take like 1 fg eac)
20:51 asciilifeform incidentally, BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , what's the status of the usb2ttl cable crate ?
20:51 asciilifeform that was the bottleneck earlier
20:52 asciilifeform meanwhile i'ma take a bit of break, will check back 1ce moar before sleep.
20:52 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
20:52 mod6 np, have a good night.
~ 24 minutes ~
21:17 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: sitting in customs with the ssds
21:17 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> hey BingoBoingo , does this box have FG ? i dun see a /dev/ttyUSB0 << I installed 2
21:17 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ty for the arms- and leg-work BingoBoingo << No problem
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